February 2021 - Mailman-users - lists.mailman3.org

postfix malformed address with confirm replies
by Stephen Willey Mats Mats March 4, 2021

March 4, 2021

I’m getting bounces back from postfix (553 5.1.3 Error: malformed address) for my confirm replies. I found a similar issue in this lists’ archives back in 2017 but that issue was supposedly fixed in version 3.2 I’m running the current docker containers. I’m pretty sure I have all of the mailman settings in postix: " # Support the default VERP delimiter. recipient_delimiter = + unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 owner_request_special = no transport_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains " the entries in /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp look like they should match /^matsmats-mm3-test1(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-bounces(\+.*)?(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm(\+.*)?(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-join(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-leave(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-owner(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-request(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-subscribe(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^matsmats-mm3-test1-unsubscribe(a)mm3\.aca-aws\.s\.uw\.edu$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 thanks, steve > On Feb 26, 2021, at 14:08:54 PST, Mail Delivery System <MAILER-DAEMON(a)ip-172-31-18-222.us-west-2.compute.internal> wrote: > > This is the mail system at host ip-172-31-18-222.us-west-2.compute.internal. > > I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not > be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. > > For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. > > If you do so, please include this problem report. You can > delete your own text from the attached returned message. > > The mail system > > <matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm+d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu>: > host 172.19.199.2[172.19.199.2] said: 553 5.1.3 Error: malformed address > (in reply to RCPT TO command) > Reporting-MTA: dns; ip-172-31-18-222.us-west-2.compute.internal > X-Postfix-Queue-ID: E144B8BC3C5 > X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; stephen.s.w.matsmats(a)gmail.com > Arrival-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 14:08:54 -0800 (PST) > > Final-Recipient: rfc822; matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm+d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu > Original-Recipient: rfc822;matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm+d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu > Action: failed > Status: 5.1.3 > Remote-MTA: dns; 172.19.199.2 > Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 553 5.1.3 Error: malformed address > > From: Steve Mats Mats <willey(a)selby.com> > Subject: Re: Your confirmation is needed to join the matsmats-mm3-test1(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu mailing list. > Date: February 26, 2021 at 2:08:52 PM PST > To: matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm+d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu > > > > >> On Feb 26, 2021, at 11:41:54 PST, matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm+d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu wrote: >> >> Email Address Registration Confirmation >> >> Hello, this is the GNU Mailman server at mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu. >> >> We have received a registration request for the email address >> >> willey(a)teamd.org >> >> Before you can start using GNU Mailman at this site, you must first confirm >> that this is your email address. You can do this by replying to this message. >> >> Or you should include the following line -- and only the following >> line -- in a message to matsmats-mm3-test1-request(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu: >> >> confirm d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856 >> >> Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from >> most mail readers. >> >> If you do not wish to register this email address, simply disregard this >> message. If you think you are being maliciously subscribed to the list, or >> have any other questions, you may contact >> >> matsmats-mm3-test1-owner(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu > > >

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Hyperkitty "All Threads" results in error
by Mark Dadgar March 2, 2021

March 2, 2021

So I have been wrestling with this problem for a while now. Most times, but not every time, when someone clicks on the All Threads link in hyperkitty, a 500 error is generated. I googled it, obviously, and at first I thought it was related to this issue, but that has not proven to be the case: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…> I’ve attached a “backtrace” below. The archives were imported from a previous mm3 install a couple of months ago. The problem occurs even with a list state full of immediately recent posts. Anyone have thoughts on how I can fix this? - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878 — Internal Server Error: /archives/list/trackjunkies(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:archives/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net>/latest VariableDoesNotExist at /archives/list/trackjunkies(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:archives/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net>/latest Failed lookup for key [sender] in None Request Method: GET Request URL: https://mail.pdc-racing.net/archives/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net/latest <https://mail.pdc-racing.net/archives/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net/latest> Django Version: 2.2.14 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python Python Version: 3.8.2 Python Path: ['/opt/mailman/mm', '/opt/mailman/mm/', '/opt/mailman/mm/bin', '/usr/lib/python38.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.8', '/usr/lib/python3.8/lib-dynload', '/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages'] Server time: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 10:27:10 -0700 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback: File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _resolve_lookup 829. current = current[bit] During handling of the above exception ('NoneType' object is not subscriptable), another exception occurred: File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _resolve_lookup 837. current = getattr(current, bit) During handling of the above exception ('NoneType' object has no attribute 'sender'), another exception occurred: File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _resolve_lookup 843. current = current[int(bit)] During handling of the above exception (invalid literal for int() with base 10: 'sender'), another exception occurred: File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 34. response = get_response(request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 115. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 113. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py" in inner 134. return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mlist.py" in archives 114. return _thread_list(request, mlist, threads, extra_context=extra_context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mlist.py" in _thread_list 143. return render(request, template_name, context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/shortcuts.py" in render 36. content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/loader.py" in render_to_string 62. return template.render(context, request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py" in render 61. return self.template.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 171. return self._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _render 163. return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 937. bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render_annotated 904. return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py" in render 150. return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _render 163. return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 937. bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render_annotated 904. return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py" in render 62. result = block.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 937. bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render_annotated 904. return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py" in render 209. nodelist.append(node.render_annotated(context)) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render_annotated 904. return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py" in render 188. return template.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 173. return self._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _render 163. return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 937. bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render_annotated 904. return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py" in render 513. return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render 937. bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in render_annotated 904. return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/templatetags/i18n.py" in render 132. context.update({var: val.resolve(context) for var, val in self.extra_context.items()}) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/templatetags/i18n.py" in <dictcomp> 132. context.update({var: val.resolve(context) for var, val in self.extra_context.items()}) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in resolve 692. arg_vals.append(arg.resolve(context)) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in resolve 796. value = self._resolve_lookup(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/base.py" in _resolve_lookup 848. raise VariableDoesNotExist("Failed lookup for key " Exception Type: VariableDoesNotExist at /archives/list/trackjunkies(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:archives/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net>/latest Exception Value: Failed lookup for key [sender] in None

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[Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/direttivo@catania.linux.it/top-threads
by blackout69 March 1, 2021

March 1, 2021

Hello everybody,I received this error message and from that moment the maiilan3 has stopped working.I restarted the following services mailman3 and mailman3-web and everything started working fine.Can you tell me what is the problem my django server has encountered? Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/direttivo(a)catania.linux.it/top-threads DoesNotExist at /hyperkitty/list/direttivo(a)catania.linux.it/top-threads Thread matching query does not exist. Request Method: GET Request URL: https://lists.catania.linux.it/hyperkitty/list/direttivo@catania.linux.it/t… Django Version: 1.11.29 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi-core Python Version: 3.7.3 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python37.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.7', '/usr/lib/python3.7/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages'] Server time: Ven, 26 Feb 2021 20:10:53 +0100 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 41. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 187. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 185. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py" in inner 134. return func(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/views/mlist.py" in overview_top_threads 196. 'threads': mlist.top_threads, File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/mailinglist.py" in top_threads 157. return self.cached_values["top_threads"]() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/common.py" in __call__ 59. return self.get_or_set(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/mailinglist.py" in get_or_set 365. return [Thread.objects.get(pk=pk) for pk in thread_ids] File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/mailinglist.py" in <listcomp> 365. return [Thread.objects.get(pk=pk) for pk in thread_ids] File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/manager.py" in manager_method 85. return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/query.py" in get 380. self.model._meta.object_name Exception Type: DoesNotExist at /hyperkitty/list/direttivo(a)catania.linux.it/top-threads Exception Value: Thread matching query does not exist. Request information: USER: blackout69 GET: No GET data POST: No POST data FILES: No FILES data COOKIES: csrftoken = 'tqNIiLrMWyYNHYhkmnmQfjRdd0AtCeCAAW46VOL24wk2g7Opl5LSZWB2dZ2p79Sb' sessionid = 'brhb9jd3ko9blnluuc6bz3c1627u6h22' META: CONTENT_LENGTH = '' CONTENT_TYPE = '' CSRF_COOKIE = 'tqNIiLrMWyYNHYhkmnmQfjRdd0AtCeCAAW46VOL24wk2g7Opl5LSZWB2dZ2p79Sb' DOCUMENT_ROOT = '/usr/share/nginx/html' HTTPS = 'on' HTTP_ACCEPT = 'text/html, */*; q=0.01' HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING = 'gzip, deflate, br' HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE = 'it-IT' HTTP_COOKIE = 'csrftoken=tqNIiLrMWyYNHYhkmnmQfjRdd0AtCeCAAW46VOL24wk2g7Opl5LSZWB2dZ2p79Sb; sessionid=brhb9jd3ko9blnluuc6bz3c1627u6h22' HTTP_HOST = 'lists.catania.linux.it' HTTP_REFERER = 'https://lists.catania.linux.it/hyperkitty/list/direttivo@catania.linux.it/' HTTP_TE = 'trailers' HTTP_USER_AGENT = 'Mozilla/5.0 (Android 11; Mobile; rv:86.0) Gecko/86.0 Firefox/86.0' HTTP_X_REQUESTED_WITH = 'XMLHttpRequest' PATH_INFO = '/hyperkitty/list/direttivo(a)catania.linux.it/top-threads' QUERY_STRING = '' REMOTE_ADDR = '2.38.155.170' REMOTE_PORT = '39208' REQUEST_METHOD = 'GET' REQUEST_SCHEME = 'https' REQUEST_URI = '/hyperkitty/list/direttivo(a)catania.linux.it/top-threads' SCRIPT_NAME = '' SERVER_NAME = 'lists.catania.linux.it' SERVER_PORT = '443' SERVER_PROTOCOL = 'HTTP/2.0' uwsgi.core = 1 uwsgi.node = b'glugct.catania.linux.it' uwsgi.version = b'2.0.18-debian' wsgi.errors = <_io.TextIOWrapper name=2 mode='w' encoding='UTF-8'> wsgi.file_wrapper = '' wsgi.input = <uwsgi._Input object at 0x7f0e65582f00> wsgi.multiprocess = False wsgi.multithread = True wsgi.run_once = False wsgi.url_scheme = 'https' wsgi.version = '(1, 0)' Thank you in advance -- blackout69

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How to disable subscribe by mail in mailman3?
by Thomas Koch March 1, 2021

March 1, 2021

Hello, I've setup a mailman3 for an organization. Organization members are authenticated by an LDAP backend and can thus use the web UI to subscribe. To avoid unnecessary moderation, I'd like to disable subscription by mail but still allow subscription through the web interface. (I've already hacked some code to dissallow subscribe by mail through posteros.) Regards, Thomas

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Import Archives Assistance
by Brian Carpenter Feb. 28, 2021

Feb. 28, 2021

I am working with a client in importing a large MM2 mbox file (around 1GB in size) into a Mailman 3 list using: /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin hyperkitty_import --no-sync-mailman -l list@listdomain list.mbox I planned on syncing after the import. Well, the client did not have enough memory on the server for the above job and it crashed in the middle of it. I informed the client who added more memory to the VPS. I went and deleted the partial archives via Hyperkitty and proceeded with the above import job again. The job finished but it seems only the messages that were imported were those AFTER the crash happened. How can I remove the archives completely so I can rerun this mbox file in its entirety? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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who request
by Vako Nicolian Feb. 27, 2021

Feb. 27, 2021

Is there a way to stop the who request to get membership list? i.e.: if we send an email to {list}-request@... with *who {password} *on the subject line, it will send the membership list to the member, I want that option to be disabled for privacy reasons. Thanks, Vako

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Added two tasks for Google Summer of Code
by Stephen J. Turnbull Feb. 27, 2021

Feb. 27, 2021

Based on recent threads, I've added two tasks to our 2021 GSoC ideas page: https://wiki.list.org/DEV/Google%20Summer%20of%20Code%202021#List_Configura… https://wiki.list.org/DEV/Google%20Summer%20of%20Code%202021#User_Profile_T… Bcc'd to David and Johannes because I referred to threads starting with their posts. If you want me to paraphrase in the task description, let me know, but I preferred to do it this way to encourage applicants to join the community. (Note: we haven't been selected yet, so this isn't any more public than the archived mailing lists.) Suggestions of other GSoC tasks and refinements to existing ones welcome. However, please discuss them on the list (or to a core dev privately) unless you have GSoC experience. Google has specific requirements for Summer of Code projects, so there are a lot of important tasks that should not be on that page. If you have an enhancement that you'd definitely like to put on our agenda, and also suggest for GSoC, feel free to file an issue on the tracker and point me, Mark, or Abhilash to it. Steve

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Disable archives per list
by Bernd Wurst Feb. 27, 2021

Feb. 27, 2021

Hello, we are about to migrate our Mailman 2 instance to Mailman 3. As we are hosting many (small) mailing lists for different customers, we get in trouble about future handling of mail archives. Mailman 2 just used mbox files per list and flat files for public archive, so archives do not matter apart from some storage. With hyperkitty, all messages for all lists are stored in on single database and I'm a little bit scared of a single database table with dozens of GB of data. Many of our users do not really need archiving, some customers also asked archiving to be disabled for legal reasons within their lists. Can I as the server admin disable archiving (or set other list options) in a way that the list admin can not change it via postorious? Can I have custom archiver settings per list or per domain (customer-specific hyperkitty)? regards, Bernd

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Documentation for transferiering a list between mm3 and mm3
by Johannes Winter Feb. 27, 2021

Feb. 27, 2021

Hi, I didn't find any documentation on how to export list data from mm3 and import it into another mm3 instance. Have I missed something, or is it yet nonexistant? Best greetings, Johannes

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Two Questions: One General, the Other Specific
by David Wilson Feb. 26, 2021

Feb. 26, 2021

Salutations; For context, I have been lurking on this site for a number of years now, in order to track the progress of this wonderful mailman3 project. Further context, I am chair of a 66 unit condominium and pay for two lists provided by EMWD.com and get a hands on feel from an mailman3 operations perspective. *Is there another site that might best communicate the future goals, plans, objectives, and time frames for mailman3 or is the status of the project at the state of being primarily reacting to problems, as evidenced in this problem solving forum, at least as it seems to me, with no offense meant or intended?* Something I find surprising is a problem described in an image grab below relating to an inability to amend a list entry to include a name to be associated with an email address, as if the data needs to be immutable. When a workaround was unsuccessfully explored to delete the entry and then resubmit an amended entry but with the same already deleted email address, that was still refused, presumably because of pointers to archived data don't permit, but this seems like a particularly onerous restriction, or perhaps even a bug, or at least a severe design constraint. *Is this item on an existing to do list?* *Comments please?* Thank you in advance for any responses to the questions in bold to facilitate faster reading, etc. Best regards. Dave Wilson ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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