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[MM3-users] Re: Filter who can send on mailman3 list?

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Marcus Granath writes: > Sorry, but actually I can not find any "Users dropdown" to select > "Non-Members" at any Postorius in my web interface. :-( > Maybe, could it be that I am actually not the admin of the mailman3 > server, I'm "just" the admin of my mailman-list - so just admin for > my mailman-list and not for the mailman server? I think if you are *moderator* you should be able to see the Subscribers list, but maybe you need to be *list owner*. You definitely do not need to be *server admin* to see the Subscribers list. I'm not sure if the *server admin* has a way to see a sitewide Users list (other than using the mailman command line tool or directly from the database). Is it possible that you have multiple logons on the server, one of which you have subscribed to lists and the other is a user with administrative privileges? I know that burns me regularly. Steve

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: very few moderation capabilities for moderators

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

On 18/9/21 20:42, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: > On 18/9/21 20:27, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> from mailman.interfaces.action import Action >> def moderar(mlist, member): >> memb = mlist.members.get_member(member) >> if not memb: >> print('{} is not a list member.'.format(member)) >> return >> memb.moderation_action = Action.hold >> print('{} moderation_action set to hold.'.format(member)) > Just a one more silly question: Where do I can find the diferent values that memb.moderation_action can take? (I want to prepare the "unhold" script too) Thanks in advance. > That completely did it. The problem about finding the module was > completely gone when I made a soft link in the same directory where > mailman command is (in /usr/local/bin, for your info). > > Thank you very, very much. > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Still unable to get mailman3 working on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS

by Michael Heseltine

> Did you see my post at > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message/... > and did you run > > /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin migrate > > before starting services? As mentioned above: yes, I did; and yes, I did it before starting the services. > Do you have all of these apache modules enabled, proxy.conf, > proxy_http.load and proxy.load, in particular proxy_http.load? Well, mostly: > # a2enmod proxy_http.load > Considering dependency proxy for proxy_http: > Module proxy already enabled > Module proxy_http already enabled > # a2enmod proxy.load > Module proxy already enabled > # a2enmod proxy.conf > ERROR: Module proxy.conf does not exist! Did a "systemctl restart apache2", but nothing has changed - still get an internal Server error. Btw, I the ProxyPass(Reverse) supposed to point at the URL listed in MAILMAN_REST_API_URL? Because that one is set to port 8001 in settings.py, and if I try to "telnet localhost 8000", i get "Connection refused". Cheers, Michael

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Restore/export existing Mailman lists + hyperkitty archives on a new server

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Kimmo L writes: > I was able to found the cause of the issue. Under list settings > > Alter Messages there is a option called "anonymous list". > It seems that if i set this to YES, im not able to send email > out. If i set this to NO - everything works fine. > Is there some other option, that might affect anonymous option > effect ? No, it has to be something about the message, because looks like Mailman is throwing exceptions when it tries to turn the anonymized email.Message Python object into an RFC 822 message it can send to the MTA. Can you send a test message to the list, also CC: me at "stephen(a)xemacs.org" (do not copy-paste my Gmail address, I will never see it, that's where I sign up for vendor spam and read it once a month)? Also send me the pickle (.pck object from the shunt queue). Steve

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Unprocessed Bounce Mails from user with e-mailadresse with a "-" in it

by Jeremy Stanley

On 2025-10-14 23:44:13 +0900 (+0900), Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: [...] > Most important, he likely doesn't know he's causing problems. > There are plenty of conformant vacation utilities, so it's not > difficult for him to fix. Most people are happy to do it right > (and there's some chance that a tried and tested utility will have > additional features he could use). [...] I used to refer offenders to RFC 3834, but any more neither they nor even their mail admins have much control over the "out of office" implementations they inflict on the rest of us. Too many commercial groupware systems make poor design choices, and managers in charge of purchasing decisions don't seem to care one bit about the problem (much less the vendors hawking such trash). Any more I try to detect and discard these at the receiving end, insofar as that's feasible. -- Jeremy Stanley

8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Walk-thru for Ubuntu Bionic Mailman 3 Full setup

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/11/19 6:40 PM, brian(a)emwd.com wrote: > > Also Kelly are you sure this is correct: > > "There are two configuration files that have a key in them that must match for Hyperhitty to authorize and be able to store archives (the paths should be as follows): > /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg (set the api_key without any quotes) > /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py (set the ‘SECRET_KEY’ - include single quotes around the key)" > > It was the MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY that I needed to make sure it was being matched by the API key in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg. I believe the SECRET_KEY setting has nothing to do with the auth errors that Hyperkitty was displaying. Yes. SECRET_KEY is used internally within Django. See <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/2.1/ref/settings/#secret-key>. It is the MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY setting that must match the api_key setting in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg (modulo quoting). -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Converting discussion list to read-only list (settings)

by Paul Arenson

I have found that my users in the discussion list are creating their own topics rather than using the existing ones, so decided to make it a read-only list and use WordPress moderated comments. Since I do not have the original settings for READ ONLY (this is a hosted version), I want to make sure that these are correct. Can someone comment. Thanks MOST IMPORTANT—> What setting makes it a discussion list as opposed to read only? ALTER MESSAGES ----------------------- Filter content Now YES Collapse Alternatives Now yes Convert html to plain text Now NO Anonymous NOW YES Include RFC2369 headers Now Yes Include the list post header Now Yes Reply Goes to List Now No munging Pipeline Default DMARC MITIFGATIONS ----------------------- Replace From with list address DMARC mitigate unconditionally Now NO MESSAGE ACCEPTANCE ----------------------- Require Explicit Destination Yes Administrivia YES Default action to take when a member posts to the list Hold for moderation Default action to take when a member posts to the list Hold for moderation OTHER? ------------- Thanks Paul Arenson

6 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Unknown templates being used

by Tom Stoddard

I'm a list owner who has recently (within the last week) had my lists migrated from mailman 2 to mailman 3. The UI that we are using is Affinity. I've reviewed all of the list templates and begun to customize some of them. My issue is that I'm receiving messages that don't match any of the templates. Here is an example of one that I just received this morning. (The x's are inserted by me. The actual message provided valid addresses.) The xxxxxxxxxx(a)xxxxxxxxxx.org list has 1 moderation requests waiting. Held Subscriptions: User:xxxxxxxxxx@gmail.com Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. When I log in to review the request it appears to be a subscription request awaiting approval. I had previously modified the "Moderator Approval Subscription" template, which is what I would expect to have received in this circumstance. I administer several lists and have received some messages that do use the newly modified template so I assume I did it correctly. Any idea where the template for this message came from? Thanks!

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: FILTER_VHOST = True doesn't work fine with alias_domain

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/18/22 09:53, Élodie BOSSIER via Mailman-users wrote: > > Now, I need to find how to set it automatic when I will add a new list. > Perhaps I could do it with an an SQL command if there are no bash > command ? I will check with "mailman create" and the --domain argument. Part of adding a new list is specifying the domain. If it's one of the existing domains, i.e., ml.franceserv.fr, or ml.viticreation.fr, that's all that needs to be done. e.g. `mailman create newlist(a)ml.franceserv.fr`. If it's a new domain, you need to add the domain to the django_site table perhaps directly or via the django admin UI and then after `mailman create newlist(a)new.domain` you may need to edit the domain via Postorius' domains view to specify the correct Web Host. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Issues with @gmail.com addresses

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mohsen Masoudfar writes: > I created a new list with this setting. This new created list can > send to Gmail addresses, this is very strange, because I have > changed the problem list (The list that cannot send to @gmail > addresses) settings to match the new one, but still the issue is > there. The problem may also be that Google has decided that your existing list has a bad reputation, that is, it had too many posts rejected in the past. The new list doesn't have that problem. The problem that mailing lists face with the biggest email providers is that they don't have acceptance policies any more because they use algorithmic reputation engines. *They* don't know why your email was rejected. (Truth be told, none of us do since we use Bayesian spam filters. But at least if you use SpamBayes you know what features are being evaluated. Machine learning algorithms use "features" that are too tiny to be connected to spam except with big data.)

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Internal Server Error: /archives/

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/29/24 7:51 AM, Christian via Mailman-users wrote: > What is this error and how can I fix it please? Running Debian 4.19.316-1 ... > Request Method: GET > Request URL: https://lists.domedoman.ie/archives/?sort=active%22%27! ... > Traceback (most recent call last): > None ... > GET: > sort = 'active"\'!' Some remote user has requested `https://lists.domedoman.ie/archives/?sort=active"'!` The `"'!` appended to the sort=active query fragment caused the error. This sort of thing happens when bots and script kiddies crawl your web site. You can find the request in your web server logs for more information about where it came from, but the bottom line is this will happen from time to time and it's not an indication that anything is broken. It would be possible to harden HyperKitty to defend against malformed URLs like this, but without a traceback it is not clear where to do it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: sqlite3 Database "read only" error on mailman_sync job

by Ugnius

Thank You. This is very valuable information. According documentation I understood that "runserver" should run on some internal port and uwsgi just works like proxy connects to the same as runserver port and serves content to apachi. Because when I was playing with the setup without "runserver" Web interface didn't work. Yes, I have stopped "runserver" and page still works fine. :) This didn't solve me database RO issue, but this information was important. Thank You. I am thinking what to do now... Maybe to recreate database (make initiation once again). It could take 2-3 hours. I did not noticed option to export/import lists setting. Or to try find solution how to make sqlite3 multiple writable. SQLite version 3.16.2 2017-01-06 16:32:41 Enter ".help" for usage hints. BR Ugnius > On 5 Sep 2019, at 23:31, Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 5, 2019, at 1:15 PM, Ugnius wrote: >> >> I do not know... In the setup example settings was something like process number = 2. But I understand at least 1 uwsgi and 1 run server should run? > > No, only uwsgi needs to run. It is fine if there are two of those, since it probably forks to have 2 worker process. There shouldn't be any "python manage.py runserver" processes running at all, it is meant only for testing purposes. > > The doc mentions that it is "development" server[1][2]. > > [1]: # Run the Django's "development" server at localhost:8000 > [2]: http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html#setting-up-django-project > > Perhaps it should be more descriptive about what does it mean. > >> >>> On 5 Sep 2019, at 23:08, Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> wrote: >>> 6644 ? S 0:12 /usr/bin/uwsgi --master --ini /opt/home/uwsgi.ini >>> 6645 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/python3 /opt/home/manage.py runserver 0:8015 >>> 6653 ? Sl 636:28 /usr/bin/python3 /opt/home/manage.py runserver 0:8015 >>> 6656 ? Sl 0:27 /usr/bin/uwsgi --master --ini /opt/home/uwsgi.ini >>> >>> This fishy, why do you have both uwsgi and "python manage.py runserver" running? >>> >>> You only need one of those, since they both do the exact same thing. Please remove >>> whatever is running the "python manage.py runserver" part and only use uwsgi. >>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Ugnius S wrote: >>>> Thank You, Abhilash, to helping. I have checked the processes, but also I have read, that sqlite3 can run in multi writing mode. >>>> May mailman processes are next: >>>> >>>> 6644 ? S 0:12 /usr/bin/uwsgi --master --ini /opt/home/uwsgi.ini >>>> 6645 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/python3 /opt/home/manage.py runserver 0:8015 >>>> 6653 ? Sl 636:28 /usr/bin/python3 /opt/home/manage.py runserver 0:8015 >>>> 6656 ? Sl 0:27 /usr/bin/uwsgi --master --ini /opt/home/uwsgi.ini >>>> 6643 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/master -C /opt/home/mailman.cfg >>>> 659 ? S 0:46 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/runner -C /opt/home/mailman.cfg --runner=in:0:1 >>>> 6660 ? S 0:42 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/runner -C /opt/home/mailman.cfg --runner=nntp:0:1 >>>> 6661 ? S 0:42 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/runner -C /opt/home/mailman.cfg --runner=digest:0:1 >>>> 6662 ? S 0:48 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/runner -C /opt/home/mailman.cfg --runner=pipeline:0:1 >>>> 6663 ? S 0:44 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/runner -C /opt/home/mailman.cfg --runner=archive:0:1 >>>> 6664 ? S 0:41 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/runner -C /opt/home/mailman.cfg --runner=command:0:1 >>>> 6665 ? S 0:01 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/runner -C /opt/home/mailman.cfg --runner=retry:0:1 >>>> 6666 ? S 0:45 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/runner -C /opt/home/mailman.cfg --runner=virgin:0:1 >>>> 6667 ? Sl 0:16 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/runner -C /opt/home/mailman.cfg --runner=lmtp:0:1 >>>> 6668 ? Sl 1:30 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/runner -C /opt/home/mailman.cfg --runner=rest:0:1 >>>> 6669 ? S 0:42 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/runner -C /opt/home/mailman.cfg --runner=bounces:0:1 >>>> 6670 ? S 0:49 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/runner -C /opt/home/mailman.cfg --runner=out:0:1 >>>> >>>> Looks like there are no double. Nothing more is running. >>>> >>>> 2019-09-05, kt, 03:16 Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> rašė: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2019, at 2:05 PM, Ugnius S wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have installed using documentation. My linux distribution version has no full package available. I have installed step by step: >>>>> $ sudo pip3 install mailman >>>>> $ sudo pip3 install postorius >>>>> $ sudo pip3 install hyperkitty >>>>> $ sudo pip3 install mailman-hyperkitty >>>>> And of course all mandatory components... Everything without errors, I can drop db files and I can download mailman-suite again and start from empty page again. But it will not guarantee that DB will not become READ ONLY again. Here should be logic. No developing support here? >>>> >>>> Could you be running two separate processes such that the database is locked by one and so other finds it as READ Only? When you find a read only database, can you check if it is open in some other process? >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2019-09-03, an, 19:36 Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> rašė: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Sep 1, 2019, at 3:22 AM,ugniusviln(a)gmail.com wrote: >>>>> > Hi. All the project installation is under the same user / path and >>>>> > it works. Archiving working as well, (just one remark: no matter what >>>>> > to set in postorius, hyperkitty shows list as public) >>>>> > I have found work around - it is possible to change list as private in >>>>> > "admin" page. >>>>> > I started to get issues with runjobs after I have created couple of >>>>> > new lists with "no archive" option. >>>>> >>>>> How did you install all these components. It seems there the installation is broken in weird ways. >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > If as owner user from project home I run: >>>>> > >>>>> > django-admin mailman_sync >>>>> > >>>>> > Traceback (most recent call last): >>>>> > File >>>>> > "/home/user/.local/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", >>>>> > line 84, in _execute >>>>> > return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) >>>>> > File >>>>> > "/home/user/.local/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/db/backends/sqlite3/base.py", >>>>> > line 383, in execute >>>>> > return Database.Cursor.execute(self, query, params) >>>>> > sqlite3.OperationalError: attempt to write a readonly database >>>>> > >>>>> > "django-admin runjob sync_mailman " - makes read only errors as well. >>>>> > "django-admin runjob new_lists_from_mailman" >>>>> > django.db.utils.OperationalError: attempt to write a readonly database >>>>> > END TRACEBACK >>>>> > >>>>> > I did not find information how to fix this. It was worked without errors >>>>> > before. >>>>> > I noticed, that if I stop mailman, "django-admin mailman_sync" starts >>>>> > to work. >>>>> > If I start "mailman start", then "django-admin mailman_sync" failing >>>>> > again. >>>>> > I did not check other jobs, but I think what is related to database, >>>>> > will get errors. >>>>> > Seems mailman locking the database. It is not a file permissions issue. >>>>> > Mailman db location is: /project_directory/var/data/mailman.db >>>>> > >>>>> > if to rename /project_directory/var/data/mailman.db to something, >>>>> > mailman creates database file size 0, django-admin runjobs start >>>>> > working, but of course postorius stops working. I did it for testing. >>>>> > I have returned this database file back, postorius started to work >>>>> > again, but django-admin runjobs does not work, error: "database read >>>>> > only". >>>>> > Please help me how to fix this issue. >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >>>>> > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >>>>> > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> thanks, >>>>> Abhilash Raj (maxking) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> thanks, >>>> Abhilash Raj (maxking) >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> thanks, >>> Abhilash Raj (maxking) >>> >>> > > -- > thanks, > Abhilash Raj (maxking) > >

6 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius fails to show list because of a large message being held

by Brian Carpenter

On 7/14/20 6:49 AM, Gilles Filippini wrote: > Mailman Core logs: > [2020-07-14 10:41:21 +0000] [36] [CRITICAL] WORKER TIMEOUT (pid:49) > [2020-07-14 10:41:21 +0000] [49] [INFO] Worker exiting (pid: 49) > [2020-07-14 10:41:22 +0000] [50] [INFO] Booting worker with pid: 50 I am pretty sure that timeout is related to gunicorn. If it is, then increasing the worker out timeout setting for gunicorn should work. You tend to get such errors when doing an export of a large membership roster. This is the first time I have seen it related to a held message. I have this in my setup: mailman.cfg: [webservice] configuration: /opt/mailman/mm/gunicorn.cfg gunicorn.cfg: [gunicorn] workers = 4 timeout = 900 You will need to restart gunicorn after adjusting the timeout setting. -- Please let me know if you need further assistance. Thank you for your business. We appreciate our clients. Brian Carpenter EMWD.com -- EMWD's Knowledgebase: https://clientarea.emwd.com/index.php/knowledgebase EMWD's Community Forums http://discourse.emwd.com/

5 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Migration of the e-mail templates

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Markus Grandpré writes: > When migrating the lists and archives from Mailman 2.1 to Mailman > 3, the e-mail templates were obviously not migrated. Which templates? Headers and footers are in the database, and they should be migrated. The standard templates for autoreplies, moderator notifications, and so on will have versions appropriate for Mailman 3, and as far as I know all of the languages standard in Mailman 2 have been translated to Mailman 3, or the Mailman 2 version crudely adapted to Mailman 3. Do you mean custom templates (such as moderator noifications) that overwrote stock templates in the Mailman 2 installation? I would think you would have to copy those by hand, because the upgrade process would not know that they're customized, and would just assume the new installed versions are good for you. I'm pretty sure you can copy them to a different place that has higher precedence in the search path so you don't have to worry about them being overwritten by upgrades. Unfortunately Mark is on vacation. Steve

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: cron error - /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs daily

by Mark Sapiro

On August 20, 2025 4:37:18 AM EDT, "Stephen J. Turnbull" <steve(a)turnbull.jp> wrote: >Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users writes: > > > > > The superuser account uses my address - odhiambo at gmail dot > > > > com. I am also the listowner for most lists. > > > > I tried unsuccessfully to create an account on Postorious using the same > > > > email address. > >I don't see how you can do this. It's the same user database, and >email addresses are accepted as identifying a unique User object in >the database for authentication and authorization purposes in Django. That is correct. You can't have two accounts in Postorius/Django with the same email address. But why would you want to? There should be no problem with a single Django user being subscribed to a list with more than one role. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.

9 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Rafael Mora

I did this: (env) [mailman@localhost mailman-suite_project]$ pip install Django Requirement already satisfied: Django in /var/lib/mailman/env/lib/python3.6/site-packages Requirement already satisfied: pytz in /var/lib/mailman/env/lib/python3.6/site-packages (from Django) Does Django is already installed?? with python3.6 ??? El vie., 21 jul. 2017 a las 14:37, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) escribió: > On 07/21/2017 12:33 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > > > I'm getting an error doing: > > > > (env) [mailman@localhost mailman-suite_project]$ python2 manage.py > migrate > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "manage.py", line 8, in <module> > > from django.core.management import execute_from_command_line > > ImportError: No module named django.core.management > > > Have you installed Django in your 'env' virtualenv? > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

8 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Prometheus mailman_exporter

by Ruth Ivimey-Cook

Folks, I have recently been playing with Prometheus metrics, and having now coded a mailman3 Prometheus exporter in python I thought I'd mention here that it exists. It's not fancy and there is more to do. It works using the rest api. Source available at https://github.com/rivimey/mailman3_exporter Metrics exposed: 'mailman_up' (does the API /system/versions return http 200) and 'mailman_queues' (queue lengths for each queue, plus 'status' for the http status code of that query) Suggestions for other metrics would be interesting if accompanied with info on how to extract it. I'm currently contemplating including the number of 'to be moderated' messages. It would be possible to include the number of lists or domains but not sure it's useful enough to be worth the cost of fetching it. It is passed the api auth data separately. It would be better to read it from mm config: is there existing code I can call? Regards, Ruth -- Software Manager & Engineer Tel: 01223 414180 Blog: http://www.ivimey.org/blog LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ruthivimeycook/

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Join a Mailman 3 list?

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/2/25 10:55, Cathryn McGuire wrote: > Hi, > > We’re currently hosted by EMWD who upgraded the Mailman 2 cPanel/Python and have been unable to resolve the issues we’re experiencing. > > We would like to join a Mailman 3 list to see how it all looks and works. > > Do you have any recommendation? Welcome to the mailman-users(a)mailman3.org list. As far as your EMWD migration from cPanel Mailman 2.1 to Mailman 3 is conerned, I think you'll find little if any change as far as email posting to the list and email from the list is concerned, but EMWD has their own proprietary web UI for list management and archiving, so the web UI at EMWD is quite different from that for this list. I'm not sure if we can help with the issues you're having, but if you tell us what they are, we can try. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: out queue backlog and delivery rate

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/25/22 16:17, dancab(a)caltech.edu wrote: > > Mail delivery is continuing at a snails pace and it is now 4 hours behind. > > I noticed that the system isn't overloaded either via CPU or Memory. It's just slowly "working on it". > > Are there rate limits that can be tuned for Mailman queues such as the "out" queue? Could this be IO related somehow? I'd expect there to be a CPU spike in that case. There are things that can be done. One big performance killer is MTA recipient checks during SMTP from Mailman. Look too at the various hits at <https://wiki.list.org/?action=fullsearch&value=performance&titlesearch=Titl…>. These are written for older Mailman, but the MTA advice is relevant. One thing you can do is enable an alternate SMTPD port in the MTA with minimal checking and configure Mailman to use that port. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Howto discard all pending unsubscription requests in a list?

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/19/26 2:54 AM, Andreas Vetter wrote: > > Is there a script to discard all tose requests and get the members back on the+ > list? A mailman shell interaction like this should do it. ``` $ mailman shell Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. >>> pendings = getUtility(IPendings) >>> for token, data in pendings.find(pend_type='unsubscription'): ... if data and data['list_id'] == 'the_list.example.com': ... pendings.confirm(token, expunge=True) ... >>> commit() ``` In the above, replace the_list.example.com with the actual list_id (the list posting address with '@' replaced with '.') If there are no other lists with pending unsubscriptions, you can omit the `and data['list_id'] == 'the_list.example.com'` check. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Easiest way to install a new mailman3 deployment?

by Andrew Hodgson

Hi, I completed this on a Debian Buster server instance during last year and have got some notes on the process. I decided to go down the venv route rather than use Docker, but I already had it up and running using the Docker instance on another machine. I found getting it up and running on Docker helped me understand how everything hung together, but ultimately I wanted to run it under a venv so I could understand it a bit more and also I wasn't using Docker in the rest of the environment on that server. I also got caught out earlier on with the Docker containers changing the search engine from Woosh to Xapian which is why I wanted more control over what was going on. Here is a copy of those notes for interest. I used package managers to provide PostgreSQL support as that was what the Docker install gave me to start with. I may have chosen another DB engine but as I was already using Postgres I stuck with that. I also installed Xapian using the package manager as well as Exim, Nginx, Sassc and Python using the package managers. I didn't install Memcached. I mainly followed the instructions at: https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience My directory structure uses /opt/mailman as the base, the instructions on this web page use /opt/mailman/mm and I didn't have this extra subdirectory. I ensured this directory was owned by list:list. I installed my venv under /opt/mailman/venv choosing to copy over the existing distribution installed Python packages and installed the following packages via Pip after activating it: Upgrade packages that are already installed which need an upgrade to work with Mailman3: pip3 install -U pip zope.interface Get the rest installed: pip3 install mailman mailmanclient django-mailman3 mailman-hyperkitty hyperkitty postorius psycopg2-binary xapian-haystack This also installs Gunicorn which I use as the backend wsgi server. The reason I chose to use existing system packages as part of the venv is because I wanted to use the Xapian installation I had installed via system packages as I ran into issues installing it via Pip. In future I think I will try and install the PostgreSQL driver this way as well. Once deactivating the venv I recommend getting the directory structure and files copied to the right places from the links on the wiki, noting that in my cases I had to edit the files to change the relevant paths to suit my new layout, and also where necessary (Systemd units) change the user/group. . You should then run all the Mailman specific commands using these scripts in /opt/mailman/bin. I learnt the hard way that you will run into problems if you try and run Mailman from the venv directory as it will look for files in the wrong place and create data files in the wrong directory. As I went down this road my configuration files mailman.cfg and mailman-hyperkitty.cfg are actually located in /opt/mailman/etc but that isn't a requirement if you follow the wiki and use the scripts provided. I obtained manage.py, settings.py, urls.py and wsgi.py from the Gitlab Mailman-suite project instead of the wiki site to ensure I got the latest versions and put these files in /opt/mailman. Regarding /opt/mailman/bin/mailman-post/update, I removed the references to Memcached as I didn't use it. I also didn't symlink /opt/mailman/logs to /opt/mailman/var/logs as advised by the wiki but will do this on a reinstall. I generated a new Mailman PostgreSQL user and restored my existing database to the new server (which also upgraded the DB to a newer Postgresql version as the Docker-Compose from the Mailman Docker project uses an older Postgresql container). I copied the Mailman runtime files from the Mailman core container data volume to /opt/mailman/var. I generated a Hyperkitty API secret key and also a Django secret key. Taking the mailman.cfg file from the wiki as a base, I updated the following parts: [database] class: mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase url: postgres://mailman:[password]@localhost/mailmandb [mailman] site_owner: mailman-owner(a)lists.domain.com [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.exim4.LMTP configuration: python:mailman.config.exim4 [archiver.hyperkitty] class: mailman_hyperkitty.Archiver enable: yes configuration: /opt/mailman/etc/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg In /opt/mailman/etc/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg add the following: [general] base_url: http://localhost:8000/hyperkitty/ api_key: [generated-hyperkitty-api-key] Using systemctl see if you can start Mailman and observe logs etc. In terms of the Django stuff you need to create /opt/mailman/settings-local.py which will be read in by the system and will overwrite the default settings in /opt/mailman/settings.py obtained from the Mailman-suite project. This directly configures the Django framework which the Mailman web components Postorius and Hyperkitty run under. Here is a outline copy of my file: import os BASE_DIR = os.path.dirname(os.path.abspath(__file__)) SECRET_KEY = '[generated-django-secret-key]' MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = '[generated-hyperkitty-api-key]' DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'mailman-owner(a)lists.domain.com' EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' DEBUG = False USE_X_FORWARDED_HOST = True SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER = ('HTTP_X_FORWARDED_PROTO', 'https') ALLOWED_HOSTS = [ 'localhost', 'lists.domain.com' ] INSTALLED_APPS = ( # Copy the installed apps from the settings.py and remove the social provider logins you don't want to support. ) DATABASES = { 'default': { 'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.postgresql_psycopg2', 'NAME': 'mailmandb', 'USER': 'mailman', 'PASSWORD': '[password]', 'HOST': 'localhost' } } HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = { 'default': { 'PATH': os.path.join(BASE_DIR, "fulltext_index"), 'ENGINE': 'xapian_backend.XapianEngine' }, } LOGGING = { # Copy the complete LOGGING section from settings.py and change the path as follows, if there is a way of just adding the relevant path override to this file let me know. I am doing this only because I didn't create a symlink for /opt/mailman/logs. 'version': 1, 'disable_existing_loggers': False, 'filters': { [...] } }, 'handlers': { 'mail_admins': { [...] }, 'file':{ 'level': 'INFO', 'class': 'logging.handlers.WatchedFileHandler', 'filename': os.path.join(BASE_DIR, 'var/logs', 'mailmansuite.log'), 'formatter': 'verbose', }, 'console': { [...] }, }, 'loggers': { 'django.request': { [...] }, 'django': { [...] }, 'hyperkitty': { [...] }, 'postorius': { [...] }, }, 'formatters': { 'verbose': { [...] }, 'simple': { [...] }, }, } Try running /opt/mailman/bin/mailman-post-update and choose to rebuild indexes, see if the static files get saved to /opt/mailman/static and the search indexes get saved to /opt/mailman/fulltext_index. In my case I had plenty of indexing to do, not sure if these files are created on a green-field installation with nothing archived. This command will also populate the Postgresql database schema. See if the Systemd units for mailman-web and mailman-cluster come up. Observe logs. If everything ok the Gunicorn should be listening on localhost:8000. For Nginx integration I followed the wiki, only change I had to make was to send the host header to the backend server, here is a partial config file: server { server_name lists.domain.com; root /var/www/lists; access_log /var/log/nginx/lists-access.log; error_log /var/log/nginx/lists-error.log warn; listen [::]:443 ssl; # managed by Certbot listen 443 ssl; # managed by Certbot ssl_certificate /etc/letsencrypt/live/lists.domain.com/fullchain.pem; # managed by Certbot ssl_certificate_key /etc/letsencrypt/live/lists.domain.com/privkey.pem; # managed by Certbot include /etc/letsencrypt/options-ssl-nginx.conf; # managed by Certbot ssl_dhparam /etc/letsencrypt/ssl-dhparams.pem; # managed by Certbot location = /favicon.ico { log_not_found off; } location = /robots.txt { log_not_found off; } location / { proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-Proto $scheme; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-Host $host; proxy_pass http://localhost:8000/; } location /static { alias /opt/mailman/static; } } server { if ($host = lists.domain.com) { return 301 https://$host$request_uri; } # managed by Certbot listen 80; listen [::]:80; server_name lists.domain.com; return 404; # managed by Certbot } For Exim integration I followed to the letter the information here: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.html#exim Here is a Logrotate script which is not in the Mailman wiki: /opt/mailman/var/logs/*.log { missingok sharedscripts su list list postrotate /opt/mailman/bin/mailman reopen &>/dev/null || true if [ -r /opt/mailman/var/gunicorn.pid ]; then PID=`cat /opt/mailman/var/gunicorn.pid` kill -s USR1 $PID fi endscript } I have been running this setup since March 2020, I run around 10 lists on this server with around 10 mails per list per day. I actually had more issues when moving from Mailman2 to Mailman3 using the Docker containers and actually this process made me understand a lot more how everything hangs together and where to troubleshoot issues. Hope this helps someone out there. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Alberti <matthew(a)alberti.us> Sent: 01 January 2021 02:48 To: ieso(a)johnwillson.com Cc: 'Mailman users' <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Easiest way to install a new mailman3 deployment? I had a very similar experience. I don't mean to knock the dev team; Mailman3 is an awesome tool that really meets a need. It is really much much more than a 'tool.' A very comprehensive software suite. For me, I ended up using the docker option on Ubuntu 20.04. My advice is to give up on the idea of using OS package managers. They just aren't current enough (certainly for Ubuntu LTS), or updated frequently enough, for the current development of Mailman3. Nothing but problems for me on Ubuntu, and Debian is about the same. Pypi, or installation in a virtualized environment, was equally challenging. I strongly recommend the docker installation method. It is not quite turnkey, but the documentation is close enough where it might 'just work' in your environment. I used MariaDB, and that introduced some challenges. If you are using postgre, postfix, and nginx, you are pretty close to a very easy installation. This list is very supportive, with very frequent responses from the core dev team. And there are guys like me who really struggled to get to a production instance. Please let us all know what isn't working in the docker approach, and we will try to help I'm sure. - Matt Alberti ⁣Get BlueMail for Android On Dec 31, 2020, 8:15 PM, at 8:15 PM, ieso(a)johnwillson.com wrote: >So I've been trying for the last two weeks to get a new mailman3 server >running on a virtualized server (any server), and I'm turning to this >list after having failed many times and running out of holiday time. > >I started trying a non-docker installation on Ubuntu 18.04 >(https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xIcSsoNFp2nHi7r4eQys00s9a0k2sHhu1V >5PlantPTs/edit#) , which got me the closest. Except I had a problem >with inbound email only being triggered when it came from certain >accounts. But that clearly wasn't good enough for production, so after >many attempts to figure out where it was failing, I decided to turn to >docker as a solution that should be cleaner. > >A few attempts at doing a docker installation on digitalocean.com >failed, which I realized might be due to it not routing private IP >addresses, so I moved to AWS after checking that their VPC policy would >fit mailman's docker requirements. I found a great but slightly >outdated guide on how to do this >(https://xiaoxing.us/2018/01/01/deploy-mailman-3-on-aws-using-docker/) >By this point I knew enough to correct a number of places where the >environment had changed since the procedure was written, but postorius >still failed at the curl test. > >The challenge for me has been the difficulty to know how to >troubleshoot the different different systems and network infrastructure >that are used to keep mailman3 humming. I've tried about 7 different >installation walkthroughs (there are no recent ones on Youtube by the >way, in case anyone wants to seize that opportunity!), and the good >guides provide ways to check each stage to try to help you a bit on >that front. > >Nonetheless, I feel stuck and thought I'd ask the simple question... >for a completely basic, barebones new installation, what's the easiest >way to get a mailman3 installation up-and running? (e.g. Which server >provider? Which operating system and version? Docker or otherwise?) > >Any pointers highly appreciated. Google Groups is clearly on its way >out, as it no longer allows for people to easily join groups by sending >an email or clicking a link, so that should be a big opportunity for >mailman3 to step up and help give those mailing list migrants a new >home... which is what we're looking for. We're just not quite as smart >as you guys. ;-) _______________________________________________ >Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe >send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: disable sign-ups

by Simon Hanna

On 01/31/2018 09:59 PM, Peter Münster wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to add new accounts only manually, the mailman3 site should > not be open for sign-ups. So I've added this code to settings.py: > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > from allauth.account.adapter import DefaultAccountAdapter > > class MyAccountAdapter(DefaultAccountAdapter): > def is_open_for_signup(self, request): > return False > > ACCOUNT_ADAPTER = 'MyAccountAdapter' > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > > It seems to work, but the user experience is not optimal: the user can > click on "Sign Up", and then gets to "Server Error (500)". This is the > log: > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > ERROR 2018-01-31 21:53:47,116 6769 django.request Internal Server Error: /accounts/signup/ > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 132, in get_response > response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 71, in view > return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/utils/decorators.py", line 34, in _wrapper > return bound_func(*args, **kwargs) > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/views/decorators/debug.py", line 76, in sensitive_post_parameters_wrapper > return view(request, *args, **kwargs) > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/utils/decorators.py", line 30, in bound_func > return func.__get__(self, type(self))(*args2, **kwargs2) > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/views.py", line 210, in dispatch > return super(SignupView, self).dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/views.py", line 79, in dispatch > **kwargs) > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/views.py", line 182, in dispatch > if not self.is_open(): > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/views.py", line 191, in is_open > return get_adapter(self.request).is_open_for_signup(self.request) > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/adapter.py", line 501, in get_adapter > return import_attribute(app_settings.ADAPTER)(request) > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/utils.py", line 150, in import_attribute > pkg, attr = path.rsplit('.', 1) > ValueError: need more than 1 value to unpack > ERROR 2018-01-31 21:53:47,116 6769 django.request Internal Server Error: /accounts/signup/ > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 132, in get_response > response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line 71, in view > return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/utils/decorators.py", line 34, in _wrapper > return bound_func(*args, **kwargs) > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/views/decorators/debug.py", line 76, in sensitive_post_parameters_wrapper > return view(request, *args, **kwargs) > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/utils/decorators.py", line 30, in bound_func > return func.__get__(self, type(self))(*args2, **kwargs2) > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/views.py", line 210, in dispatch > return super(SignupView, self).dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/views.py", line 79, in dispatch > **kwargs) > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/views.py", line 182, in dispatch > if not self.is_open(): > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/views.py", line 191, in is_open > return get_adapter(self.request).is_open_for_signup(self.request) > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/account/adapter.py", line 501, in get_adapter > return import_attribute(app_settings.ADAPTER)(request) > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_allauth-0.34.0-py2.7.egg/allauth/utils.py", line 150, in import_attribute > pkg, attr = path.rsplit('.', 1) > ValueError: need more than 1 value to unpack > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Not sure how this error happens. You might want to ask the allauth guys about that... > Do you have any hints, how to avoid such errors please? You probably don't want to display the signup link in the first place. You can do that by overwriting templates. https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/2.0/howto/overriding-templates/ Overriding the base template(s) should be enough for that I guess...

8 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Timeouts

by tlhackque

On 25-Apr-21 20:34, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 4/25/21 4:37 PM, tlhackque via Mailman-users wrote: > >> The described timeouts are something that hyperkitty ought to be able to >> avoid. For apache, the timeout is idle time between blocks of output. >> Hyperkitty can avoid this by generating the archive in segments (based >> on size, or elapsed time), flushing its output buffer, generating a >> multi-file archive, and/or using Transfer-Encoding: chunked (chunked >> doesn't work for http/2). It ought to be able to break the work into >> blocks of "n" messages & do something to generate output. Besides >> avoiding timeouts, working in segments allows the GUI to display >> meaningful progress (e.g. if you're loading with XMLHttpRequest, >> "onprogress") It really oughtn't be up to the user to break up the >> request. > It is not the web server that times out. I'm not sure about uwsgi > because I don't use it, but the timeouts I see are on servers that use > gunicorn as the WSGI interface to Django and the timeout is in a > gunicorn worker. This is controlled by the timeout setting in the > gunicorn config. <https://docs.gunicorn.org/en/stable/settings.html#timeout> > > Note that even 300 seconds is not enough to download the entire > <https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/> archive. > > It may be possible to get HyperKitty to chunk the output to avoid this, > but it doesn't currently do that. Care to submit an MR? > > I'm afraid (u)WSGI, Django, and gunicorn are not technologies that I work with. It sounds as if hyperkitty is compiling the entire archive before sending the first byte. The gunicorn doc that you pointed to says Workers silent for more than this many seconds are killed and restarted. Setting it to 0 has the effect of infinite timeouts by disabling timeouts for all workers entirely. "Silent" sounds like the standard webserver "you have to push some bits, or we assume you're stuck". My understanding is that gunicorn is a Python persistence server that is run behind a webserver proxy. So the (proxy) webserver (apache, nginx, ...) timeouts also apply and would need to be increased. Might be interesting to try 0 (gunicorn) / 1200 (webserver) with your python-dev archive, time it and see how much (encoded) data is transferred... (I would expect most mailing list archives to compress nicely, though those with binary attachments wont.) But fiddling with timeouts is treating the symptom, not the root cause. The right solution is to stream, segment (or chunk) the output, because in the general case, no timeout is long enough. It'll always be possible to find an archive that's just one byte (or second) longer than any chosen timeout. (See the halting problem.) You want the timeout to catch a lack of progress, not total time that's a function of transaction size. (Webservers may also have limits on transaction size - e.g. mod_security, but they're only useful when the upper bound on a response is knowable.) Thus, the timeout(s) should be roughly independent of the archive size; on the order of time-to-first-byte (which ordinarily is longer than time between segments/chunks). Also note that streaming requires fewer server resources than compiling a complete archive before sending, since you don't need to create the entire archive in memory (or in a tempfile). You only need enough memory to efficiently buffer the file I/O and to contain the compression tables/output buffer. Except for trivial cases, this will be independent of the archive size. The only downside is that if the comm link is slow, you may hold a reader lock on the source data for longer than necessary with the current scheme. Seems as though this deserves an issue. I guess I could open one - but you have the experience/test cases.

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Error 500 on held_messages page

by Stephan Krinetzki

Hi Mark, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/3/22 08:01, Stephan Krinetzki wrote: > > Hello all, > > we now have at least one mailing list (there may be more affected) that generates a 500 error when calling the held_messages page. After looking at the held messages via the mailman shell, we have identified three mails that have neither a subject nor a message body. How can we remove these three mails from the database? > > This shouldn't be an issue, at least with Mailman core 3.3.5, unless I > don't understand. > Note that there are 3 tables involved. The request (IListRequests), the > pendings (IPended and IPendedKeyValue), and the held message > (IMessageStore). > > This is the mailman shell command we used: > > mailman shell -l listname(a)lists.example.com > > <removed> > > Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell > > Use commit() to commit changes. > > Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. > > Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. > > Die Variable 'm' ist die listname(a)lists.example.com Mailingliste > > >>> msg_db = getUtility(IMessageStore) > > >>> req_db = IListRequests(m) > > >>> reqs = list(req_db.held_requests) > > >>> for req in reqs: > > ... print('{}: {}'.format(req.id, req.request_type)) > > ... > > 32598: 1 > > [...] > > 107656: 1 > > 107737: 1 > > 107758: 1 > > > > OK, you have requests. > > >>> from mailman.app.moderator import handle_message > > >>> handle_message(m, 107758, Action.discard) > > >>> reqs = list(req_db.held_requests) > > >>> for req in reqs: > > ... print('{}: {}'.format(req.id, req.request_type)) > > ... > > 32598: 1 > > [...] > > 107656: 1 > > 107737: 1 > > > > OK, you discarded the message held with request id 107758. > > >>> handle_message(m, 92927, Action.discard) > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "<console>", line 1, in <module> > > File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/moderator.py", line 112, in handle_message > > key, msgdata = requestdb.get_request(id) > > TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not iterable > > >>> > > > > There is no request with id 92927. Why do you think there should be? Well, i truncated the list above (marked by [...]) but this message is there: 32598: 1 107788: 1 22449: 1 95736: 1 108279: 1 66937: 1 108367: 1 68261: 1 108379: 1 108411: 1 108587: 1 108596: 1 108723: 1 107881: 1 107891: 1 108814: 1 92927: 1 107963: 1 106486: 1 106488: 1 106526: 1 106577: 1 106682: 1 106818: 1 106857: 1 108076: 1 106926: 1 107044: 1 107146: 1 107152: 1 107153: 1 107204: 1 108199: 1 107210: 1 107329: 1 107394: 1 107447: 1 107531: 1 107562: 1 107594: 1 107656: 1 107737: 1 > If by remove them from the database, you mean just from the > messagestore, you can do (using your above) > msg_db.delete_message('the_message_id') Ok, thanks. With this code lines the message is deleted, right? > To delete a pending request for which there is no request id, e.g. the > id 92927 above, you could do > pendings = getUtility(IPendings) > for token, data in pendings.find(pend_type='held message'): > if data and data['id'] == 92927: > pendings.confirm(token, expunge=True) > That didn't helped: mailman shell -l list(a)lists.example.com Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. Die Variable 'm' ist die list(a)lists.example.com Mailingliste >>> msg_db = getUtility(IMessageStore) >>> req_db = IListRequests(m) >>> reqs = list(req_db.held_requests) >>> for req in reqs: ... print('{}: {}'.format(req.id, req.request_type)) ... 32598: 1 107788: 1 22449: 1 95736: 1 108279: 1 66937: 1 108367: 1 68261: 1 108379: 1 108411: 1 108587: 1 108596: 1 108723: 1 107881: 1 107891: 1 108814: 1 92927: 1 107963: 1 106486: 1 106488: 1 106526: 1 106577: 1 106682: 1 106818: 1 106857: 1 108076: 1 106926: 1 107044: 1 107146: 1 107152: 1 107153: 1 107204: 1 108199: 1 107210: 1 107329: 1 107394: 1 107447: 1 107531: 1 107562: 1 107594: 1 107656: 1 107737: 1 >>> for req in reqs: ... print(req.key) ... for line in str(msg_db.get_message_by_id(req.key)).split("\n"): ... print(line) ... print('\n') ... <1b35d982.85b92.16abbe857a6.Coremail.lusong(a)lsec.cc.ac.cn> None <08539546582c0560693f58ab0101bd83(a)airotrader.com> <Mail Content, shorted out> <1545090824.237969198(a)f452.i.mail.ru> None <tencent_41D5C02D27CAA4DD59BDF1A2(a)qq.com> <Mail Content, shorted out> <292716975.841376.1597725820301.JavaMail.zimbra(a)rri.res.in> <Mail Content, shorted out> <5d74c171c32303e88c9d8b86ac60ba48(a)blackroseradio.com> <Mail Content, shorted out> <DM6PR04MB38208B40539F3861A613098DB1260(a)DM6PR04MB3820.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> <Mail Content, shorted out> <eaefd169fb428442d9e3ce31b72bfdb4(a)wordenonwine.com> <Mail Content, shorted out> <2108728073.11037004.1643524877756.JavaMail.zimbra(a)caxias.rs.gov.br> <Mail Content, shorted out> <CANvwqssiPV7HgupqrYkgxGoFsKph=TW-mwNucs+NBwxs3Uw1bQ(a)mail.gmail.com> <Mail Content, shorted out> <c0b951ee190727163bce555a3a030f9f(a)optiboxes.com> <Mail Content, shorted out> <144a5727a850fea01910dfe9c427427e(a)licensedappraisal.com> <Mail Content, shorted out> <61ef2070.1c69fb81.f2f7e.23fc(a)mx.google.com> <Mail Content, shorted out> <b037941f4318324ab23a3ee7efcbf970(a)hollymillrun.com> <Mail Content, shorted out> <929ad585ea426a3835cf63058c22782c(a)airotrader.com> <Mail Content, shorted out> <180a36ee.2b.17afe0b825e.Coremail.carmark3(a)163.com> None <24abca1072b83535bbf2e39b6a825fc8(a)optiboxes.com> <Mail Content, shorted out> <CAK69=c9mFvOZq9ro7HavgYdOeo-oJ2_6h8SjQsBfcrxnpf_etA(a)mail.gmail.com> <Mail Content, shorted out> <5d7b548ab086bb47c0c6caacbff92c54(a)licensedappraisal.com> <Mail Content, shorted out> <062dfa1a2deb3ac136ecdfde1b4c6d74(a)optiboxes.com> <Mail Content, shorted out> <d517a99e8e9db94ddc8ecd1c6d226788(a)spiritsestates.com> <Mail Content, shorted out> <043051c1d7a64c04ce8c83c7a5e54eec(a)krswim.com> <Mail Content, shorted out> <2c42b1d628a43b1fc78471e873a0691d(a)totallyneat.com> <Mail Content, shorted out> <CALQ9jAcqu9yRj=EYn=DgA8unYRWkfUgFiL54bMiLxovc+JXcBw(a)mail.gmail.com> <Mail Content, shorted out> <1ffa446361bfdf49a71b8669165e6350(a)wordenonwine.com> <Mail Content, shorted out> <b9afc5d32f87320a8333093ffd0635f5(a)infnitsolutions.com> <Mail Content, shorted out> <f486ea12a6bcecec1b1e4a51f1be0719(a)penshaver.com> <Mail Content, shorted out> <CAPOYRqVmrwcdRQXwm56sM+0Ov1bcLqxFXFCrx5Rf3gVqj9nOgA(a)mail.gmail.com> <Mail Content, shorted out> <1412096130.6666950.1642348478679.JavaMail.zimbra(a)gorontaloprov.go.id> <Mail Content, shorted out> <40f51428847f7874d06b8b5ad50c745d(a)wordenonwine.com> <Mail Content, shorted out> <2a82c4a5e577658efc189f02fc13f520(a)nutriholding.com> <Mail Content, shorted out> [And a lot of more messages] As you can see, there a some messages, that have no message body and i think that's the issue. In the httpd.log of mailman: 2022-02-04 10:01:09 [FALCON] [ERROR] GET /3.1/lists/list(a)lists.example.com/held?count=10&page=1 => Traceback (most recent call last): File "falcon/app.py", line 361, in falcon.app.App.__call__ File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 182, in on_get resource = self._make_collection(request) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 182, in _make_collection entries = [as_dict(resource) for resource in collection] File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/helpers.py", line 182, in <listcomp> entries = [as_dict(resource) for resource in collection] File "/opt/mailman/mailman-venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/rest/post_moderation.py", line 173, in _resource_as_dict assert resource is not None, resource AssertionError: None [04/Feb/2022:10:01:09 +0100] "GET /3.1/lists/list(a)lists.example.com/held?count=10&page=1 HTTP/1.1" 500 38 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.3" Maybe that helps to identify the issue. > Mailman core 3.3.5 has a lot of changes to address this issue. > Also see https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/946

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Uncaught runner exception: 'str' object has no attribute 'decode'

by tlhackque

On 03-Oct-17 03:58, Abhilash Raj wrote: > > > The container images have stable releases of Mailman components, so > those changes will make in to the container when a new Core release > happens. > > The next image release is pending a version upgrade of Hyperkitty, to > 1.1.3, but other changes are just meant to make the process of setting > up Mailman better. They do not include changes from git repo after the > release. > > Considering the evolving state of MM3, the complexity of installing it, and the problems that people have trying to use it for testing/production: you might consider packaging an 'unstable' Docker version from git 'head', perhaps weekly. Building it ought to be something that you can script...and a regular cycle would give developers a target for merges. This would get you early testing & would help those trying to be early adopters - waiting months for the next point release will turn off the enthusiasm. FWIW .

8 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Remove PDF attachents

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/4/20 7:42 AM, Eduardo Costa via Mailman-users wrote: > Hello, > > How do I configure the list to remove attachments of type pdf and others. You need to set the list's filter_types and or pass_types. For example, to filter out everything except HTML and plain text, collapse alternative parts and convert remaining HTML to plain text, you would set filter_content = True collapse_alternatives = True convert_html_to_plaintext = True pass_types = ['multipart', 'text/plain', 'text/html'] The first 3 of these can be set in Postorius -> Settings -> Alter Messages, but the last has to be set in mailman shell as in $ /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman shell -l list(a)example.com Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell m. The variable 'm' is the list(a)example.com mailing list >>> list(m.pass_types) [] >>> m.pass_types = ['multipart', 'text/plain', 'text/html'] >>> list(m.pass_types) ['multipart', 'text/plain', 'text/html'] >>> commit() -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 throws 500 error (unicode encode) when loading held messages in Postorius

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/6/20 3:39 PM, Simon Handfield via Mailman-users wrote: > Thanks for your advice, Stephen. > > As I've removed the file from the shunt queue I don't believe that file is causing the 500 error any more. > > I've confirmed the error is not cached in the browser. > > If the issue does not reside in the shunt queue (no other files indicate parse errors when checking via command line) are there any other places I should look for data that is addressed by that page? As Steve said, messages in the shunt queue have nothing to do with the held messages view in postorius. Held messages are in Mailman's var/messages/ directory and referenced by entries in the message table in the database which in turn are referenced by entries in the pendedkeyvalue table. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem with list creation

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/16/20 8:25 AM, Pawel Grzywaczewski wrote: > > We increased timeout in mailman.cfg > ``` > [gunicorn] > workers: 4 > timeout: 900 > ``` This doesn't do it. In order to pass configuration settings to the REST gunicorn servers, you need to put in mailman.cfg ``` [webservice] configuration: /path/to/gunicorn.cfg ``` and then put settings like these ``` [gunicorn] workers: 4 timeout: 900 ``` in /path/to/gunicorn.cfg. Some settings, but only hostname, port and workers can be put in mailman.cfg, but in the [webservice] section, not in a [gunicorn] section. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/rest/gunicorn.…> for more detail. > And we increased timeout in nginx > > ``` > http { > > # MODIF UNICORN > proxy_connect_timeout 300s; > proxy_read_timeout 300s; > # MODIF UNICORN > > ``` nginx is not involved. These are not proxied requests through nginx. They are requests to Mailman's REST API which use a separate gunicorn server. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: certain msgs not archived

by Sandor Dibuz

Meanwhile going ahead slowly. This resolved issue helped a lot: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/248 'charset': 'utf8mb4' into /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py helped and now a message with utf8mb4 emoji char is archive properly. But reading that particular msg in Hyperkitty spits out a new error: Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/list/test1(a)dwatt.com/thread/OIHKKHNGNL6HF2SMFJZXSS6TABO2VK6Z/ AttributeError at /hyperkitty/list/test1(a)xxxxx.yyy/thread/OIHKKHNGNL6HF2SMFJZXSS6TABO2VK6Z/ 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'subject' Request Method: GET Request URL: https://xxxxx.yyy/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/test1@xxxxx.yyy/thread/OIHKKHNGN… Django Version: 2.2.25 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi-core Python Version: 3.9.2 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python39.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.9', '/usr/lib/python3.9/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python3.9/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3.9/dist-packages'] Server time: Wed, 16 Feb 2022 21:27:14 +0100 Googling the mailman-users list I found another case where hyperkitty_thread table had a NULL starting_email_id and yesss! It has a NULL in starting_email_id really! Now the billion$ question: what this particular msg with an utf8mb4 char has to do with starting_email_id?? Sanyi

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: [migration] to a another server - one year database apparently lacks fields for newer mailman3/django suite

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/20/23 14:04, Wikinaut wrote: > I also solved this issue. > How? > > By adding columns to two tables in the database mailman3web: > > alter table hyperkitty_mailinglist add column archive_rendering_mode varchar(255) default null; > alter table socialaccount_socialapp add column `provider_id` varchar(200) NOT NULL; > alter table socialaccount_socialapp add column `settings` longtext CHARACTER SET utf8mb4 COLLATE utf8mb4_bin NOT NULL CHECK (json_valid(`settings`)); The proper fix is just to run `mailman-web migrate`. See https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#run-database-mi… You should also run that and `mailman-web collectstatic` `mailman-web compress` and `mailman-web compilemessages` any time you do any kind of update. See https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#collect-static-… et. seq. Running `mailman-web migrate` at this point may fail because of the changes you made manually. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: After server upgrade debian 11→12 and reinstalling everything in (venv), I got this error when accessing → mailman3/lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/18/25 12:06 PM, Wikinaut wrote: > Thank you. > As I need to go through ~20 mailing lists, is there any way to programmatically also modify the templates? > > I could not find a script for doing this but it would nice to have, as I managed, as known, to write and to run scripts, which is very helpful (because we re-generate the _whole_ mailsystem daily if there are changes in our membership database). If you want to use default templates for everything, just remove everything under /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/. If you want a custom footer for all lists, remove list:member:generic:footer.txt from all the /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/LIST_ID/LC/ directories and create the footer at /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/site/LC/list:member:generic:footer.txt -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Spam sent to list owner causes bounce increment for list owner

by Allan Hansen

Hi Mark, Thank you for the explanation, and it all makes sense. I prefer your verp_probes solution, as I do prefer to have my list work concentrated in one place. I did have 5 bounces on the list - I guess a lot of spam is happening due to the holidays. I noticed a big uptick myself. Thanks again, Allan > On Dec 18, 2023, at 10:30, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 12/18/23 9:59 AM, Allan Hansen wrote: >> Hi all, >> Someone sent a spam message to the list owner (me) of one of my lists. Then I got booted from the list. >> The scenario in more detail: >> The list server forwards the message to me, as I’m the list owner. This message is sent from <list>-bounces+hansen=rc.org(a)list.rc.org to hansen(a)rc.org. >> My service provider’s spam filter rejects the spam (correctly) in a message and informs the list server. >> The list server sends a message to <list>-bounces+hansen=rc.org(a)list.rc.org (the fake sender) saying that the message to hansen(a)rc.org (the recipient) could not be delivered because it was spam. >> The list server also blames hansen(a)rc.org (me) for the bounce and increments my bounce score, which, to me, is unfair. >> So I wonder: >> Is the Mailman host at list.rc.org at fault for not catching the spam before it reaches the list server? (One could argue that) > > Depends on what kind of spam filtering if any you have on incoming mail to list.rc.org. > >> Is my rc.org service provider at fault for sending the bounce message to the server instead of the to the original sender? > > Absolutely not. The envelope sender of the mail was set by Mailman to <list>-bounces+hansen=rc.org(a)list.rc.org in order to enable automated bounce processing. rc.org correctly sent the bounce to the envelope sender. > >> Is Mailman at fault for thinking that the bounce message was caused by a list message FROM me, instead of a bounced message TO the list owner? > > Arguably, yes, but not based on FROM. FROM has nothing to do with it. The message was sent TO you so if it bounces, it is a message to you that bounced, so you are the one bouncing this message. All Mailman knows is a message was sent to you and it bounced so it's your address that is bouncing. It doesn't matter whether this was a post to the list that bounced or a message to <list>-owner. A bounce is a bounce. > > Note that this list's bounce processing is very aggressive. If you got removed from the list after one bounce, the list must have Bounce score threshold = 1 and Bounce disable warnings = 0. You might consider adjusting these. > > There is an easy fix for this. Set `verp_probes: yes` in mailman.cfg. Then when your bounce score reaches threshold, instead of disabling/removing you, Mailman will send a probe message to you. It will only disable/remove you if the probe bounces which it presumably won't. > > Another avoidance would be to use an address for the owner which is not the address of a member. Then if the owner address bounces, nothing is done because the bouncing address isn't a list member. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to hansen(a)rc.org

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman shell tutorial

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/11/19 6:00 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > > I have this going, and it is great. But I recall seeing something called > mmclient or similar which has simple commands like show user, show lists, > and so on. Is that still available? Are you thinking of the mailman command itself? Things like `mailman lists` and `mailman users`. Try running the `mailman` command itself with no arguments to see a list of sub-commands and then `mailman sub-command --help` to get the details of a particular subcommand. > Now knowing how mailman shell works, anybody could write their own commands, > but I don't want to reinvent wheels. I don't know what it is you are trying to accomplish, but yes, you can create scripts which you run via `mailman shell -run ...`, but is there something specific you are trying to do that is not currently available via the `mailman` command or the Postorius wb UI? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years

[MM3-users] Re: Help with troubleshooting mailman3 DNS lookups

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/23/21 3:11 PM, Simon Handfield via Mailman-users wrote: > However when messages are sent to mailman3 lists we're still seeing hits on the old DNS servers. > > I have tried to find a config that references the old servers but have not been able to find one. Because Mailman doesn't directly access DNS. As far as I know, there are only two pieces in Mailman core that indirectly access DNS. DMARC mitigations look up sending domain DMARC policy via the dnspython package <https://pypi.org/project/dnspython/> and if you have enabled ARC signing in Mailman via [ARC] enabled: yes it uses authheaders <https://pypi.org/project/authheaders/> I don't know what these packages might be looking at to see the old servers, but as far as I know, nothing else is doing DNS lookups. The modules that invoke these are mailman/rules/dmarc.py and mailman/handlers/arc_sign.py. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: problem configuring mailman3 on debian bullseye

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/15/23 09:55, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 7:10 PM Servizio Informatico U.I.C.I. Sezione > territoriale di Brescia <servizioinformatico(a)uicibrescia.it> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I created a template but after some tests I deleted it. >> >> Now I created only a standard list without modifying any templates. >> >> So they are the standard templates coming with the distribution. I did not >> change also the language >> > Maybe you can start by deleting any templates in postorius_emailtemplate > table in the DB? There shouldn't be any, but if the issue is with accessing postorius templates, that might make it worse. If you want only the system default templates, you could do this database query to remove any non-defaults: DELETE FROM templates; That will ensure that you aren't accessing Postorius for any templates. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: cron error - /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs daily

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users writes: > > > The superuser account uses my address - odhiambo at gmail dot > > > com. I am also the listowner for most lists. > > > I tried unsuccessfully to create an account on Postorious using the same > > > email address. I don't see how you can do this. It's the same user database, and email addresses are accepted as identifying a unique User object in the database for authentication and authorization purposes in Django. I doubt that Django understands the Gmail "punctuation doesn't exist" concept, and I don't think Mailman does either, so you can probably use ohdiamb.o(a)gmail.com for the new address. (Or you could create a new superuser to use the ugly address, delete the old one, and then claim the pretty address for your ordinary user.) -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

9 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Mails from Django are not sent

by Abhilash Raj

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017, at 02:36 AM, Simon Hanna wrote: > On 10/12/2017 12:27 PM, Bjoern Franke wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm using the "mailman-suite" setup for Postorious and Hyperkitty. > > > > I've set > > > > EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' > > EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost' > You can just remove the settings to fallback to the defaults > (that's what I do) The default setting is set to 'django.core.mail.backends.console.EmailBackend'[1] in mailman-suite, so that wouldn't help. [1]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/blob/master/mailman-suite_project/… > > in settings.py, but no mails are sent. Files with the e-mails are in the > > emails folder, but nothing happens, also no errors regarding emails are > > logged. It looks like an issue because you probably have DEBUG=True, which will make Django use 'django.core.mail.backends.filebased.EmailBackend'. See [2]. [2]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/blob/master/mailman-suite_project/… -- Abhilash Raj maxking(a)asynchronous.in

8 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cron Error: <mailman@gw> /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin runjobs monthly

by Odhiambo Washington

On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 6:47 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 2/2/23 21:25, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 3:23 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > >> See > >> > >> > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/example_project/setting… > >> for mitigation. > > > > > > What is the danger of replacing my settings.py with this one, seeing as > it > > differs in a number of ways with mine? > > > If your's works, don't do it. The danger is the differences might be > significant and break things. Also, that one is for HyperKitty only and > doesn't include Postorius settings. > So in my case, I should at least increase the value of HYPERKITTY_JOBS_UPDATE_INDEX_LOCK_LIFE to, say, 1800? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to edit default 'Reject (with notification)' message

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/26/23 7:57 AM, Zaheer Abbas wrote: > > I have created a template with the option, "Notice sent to a poster when > their message has been rejected by the list’s moderator." but it only works > if message acceptance is set to 'Hold for Moderation' and then the > moderator rejects the post manually. > > Is there any source file, which I can modify to replace the default > rejection text mentioned above? The template you want is described in Postorius as [list.user.notice.rejected] Notice sent to a poster when their message has been rejected automatically You can set it in Postorius per list or per domain or you can set it sitewide by putting it in Mailman's var/templates/site/en/list.user.notice.rejected.txt and if you do that, be sure the Mailman user has access to read it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years

[MM3-users] Subscription confirmation email

by Eric Broens

While doing some tests I subscribed to a mailinglist by sending an email to <list>-join@<domain> Mailman correctly emailed the confirmation request, and the mail was accepted by my ISP. For some reason the confirmation mail did not arrive in my mailbox nor in my spam folder, it seems to have been silently dropped. A day later, I again sent a subscription request to <list>-join@<domain>, and I received a mail from <list>-bounces@<domain> with subject "The results of your email commands" saying that I have a pending subscription for that mailinglist. However, no confirmation link is included, nor instructions to visit the website to confirm the subscription. Am I missing something in the configuration? I would expect that a confirmation request is mailed again to the subscriber. Most subscribers don't use the web interface to manage their subscriptions. The versions running with Maxking's docker-mailman and postfix are: Mailman Core versie GNU Mailman 3.3.10 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API versie 3.1 Mailman Core Python versie 3.12.7 (main, Oct 7 2024, 11:30:19) [GCC 13.2.1 20240309] Best regards, Eric

3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Is there a way of recording bounce messages?

by Mohsen Masoudfar

I'm dealing with the same issue. Upon reviewing the logs, I've noticed a significant number of bounced emails for a particular mailing list. Gmail users have reported not receiving emails. I haven't been able to locate the "munge from" information. My current setup is using Mailman 3.1.1. I read it has been introduced in 3.2. The Question is what to do with Mailman 3.1.1, if the upgrade is not an option. I get in the logs messages like below with several Queue-ids: Sep 25 09:03:55 localhost postfix/smtpd[26692]: 147583E927: client=a14-93.smtp-out.amazonses.com[54.240.14.93] Sep 25 09:03:55 localhost postfix/cleanup[26696]: 147583E927: message-id=<0100018acb94b326-fdf39193-144e-4fdc-8faf-0d3df54eb4ee-000000(a)email.amazonses.com> Sep 25 09:03:55 localhost postfix/qmgr[1298]: 147583E927: from=<>, size=24934, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Sep 25 09:03:55 localhost postfix/lmtp[26697]: 147583E927: to=<listname-bounces@servername>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.03, delays=0.01/0/0/0.01, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) Sep 25 09:03:55 localhost postfix/qmgr[1298]: 147583E927: removed Mohsen ________________________________ From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2023 7:47 AM To: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io>; Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>; mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Is there a way of recording bounce messages? [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Hi. Seems other people have had this on Office365 when I searched the specific error. I have enabled VERP now on probes and all list messages so lets see if that improves things. Thanks. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2023 12:22 PM To: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>; mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Is there a way of recording bounce messages? Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >On 9/21/23 17:30, Thomas Ward wrote: >> >> MS365's bounce handling is weird and they do not include a delivery report in the payload, instead they take the log data and append it as a text payload portion to the message. It's annoying and problematic when debugging (and likely triggers the mailman2 equivalent of "unprocessable bounce message"). >> >> If Andrew can provide the bounce message as an example in raw form (even off list) we can dissect it - myself probably more rapidly as I am fluent in reading them at this point from weeks worth of dealing with them - and that will probably yield the info you are looking for. >It appears however that Mailman does recognize the DSN returned by MS365 as the user's delivery is being disabled by bounce. The issue is whatever DSN is returned to the list-bounces address is not attached to the notice sent to the list owner about the disable and it should be. Ok guys the plot thickens. Yesterday using the Mailman Shell I unbounced all the users on that list. We had a couple of messages yesterday and I also enabled the From munging for all messages sent to the list partway through those messages coming to the list. This morning we got all Gmail users bounced again, with no NDR attached to the message. However on one of the messages the NDR was attached, and so I'm going to send that to Mark separately. It looks like the NDR included the information for all the bouncing messages though, and that is probably because Mailman sends the messages to all users in one SMTP transaction. The message returned from Google was: user(a)gmail.com 9/22/2023 9:44:55 AM - Server at PAVPR08MB9257.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com returned '550 5.4.300 Message expired -> 421 4.4.2 Connection dropped due to SocketError' 9/22/2023 9:24:03 AM - Server at gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com (142.250.27.27) returned '421 4.4.2 Connection dropped due to SocketError' Thanks. Andrew. _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…<https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/> Archived at: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…<https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> This message sent to andrew(a)hodgson.io _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…<https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/> Archived at: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…<https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> This message sent to mmasoudf(a)aaas.org

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: alembic version

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/6/26 23:22, Thomas Krichel wrote: > ... > Mar 07 07:01:03 darni mailman[1209747]: alembic.util.exc.CommandError: Can't locate revision identified by '8cc1f79f4459' ... > root@darni ~ # sudo -u postgres psql -d mailman3 > psql (18.2 (Debian 18.2-1)) > Type "help" for help. > > mailman3=# SELECT version_num FROM alembic_version; > version_num > -------------- > 8cc1f79f4459 > (1 row) That's not what it's complaining about. You have to look at /usr/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.13/mailman/database/alembic/versions. Those are all the alembic migrations. Each one has a Revision ID: and a Revises: making a chain. There are tools to display that chain. With your venv active do ``` alembic -c /usr/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.13/mailman/config/alembic.cfg history ``` What does that show? I suspect there is some issue between the database and the code. The version_num in the alembic_version table and the migrations. The version_num is the current migration so that `mailman-web migrate` knows which additional migrations to apply. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Issues with migrating from Mailman2 to Mailman 3

by Uwe Grasshoff

Hi, > I'm not sure about the error, but the import21 process registered you so > what you need to do is go to the Login page, click "Forgot Password?" > and then request a password reset. The reset also failed with the error message that okay I have finished a few more steps on the way to containerized mailman ;-) The mailman-web container also needs the environment variables which tells mailman-core to use postfix on an other host for delvery. But still I can't recover a password. It always tells me "Diese E-Mail-Adresse ist keinem Konto zugeordnet" which means "This e-mail address is not assigned to any account". But when I now register I can see all the lists which I'm assigned to. So basically my problem was the missing environment variables > - MTA=postfix > - SMTP_HOST=mail I though it's only needed for the core container but they also need to be assigned to the web container. With best Regards Uwe Grasshoff

6 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Migration from old server to new server failed

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/16/24 07:12, Helio Loureiro wrote: > - start mailman3 and mailman-3web > - run mailman3-web migrate You should run mailman3-web migrate when mailman-3web is not running. > django.db.utils.OperationalError: (1050, "Table > 'hyperkitty_mailinglist_moderators' already exists") > > I tried to drop the table, but then it complained about another one. I > dropped all the complained tables and as result hypperkitty never > started. So I went back to see why the first error happened. The errors occurred because you had recently added tables in your database so they couldn't be added by the migrations. Dropping the tables was the correct thing to do. Did you ultimately successfully run all the migrations? When you say `hypperkitty never started`, what exactly does that mean? What happens when you try to access the archives? Can you access postorius? Are any errors logged in mailman3-web's log? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 Docker

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 at 23:07, <brian(a)emwd.com> wrote: > Did you change your settings_local.py file to match mine? > > Yes, almost everything. > For the docker-compose.yaml file: > > For the mailman-core, yours looks just like mine except I have: > > stop_grace_period: 30s > So you just added: - stop_grace_period: 30s to the block?? > I don't know if that setting makes any difference. I am also using the > included postgres database instead of mysql. > > For the mailman-web section, you need to add the following: > > - SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN=yourdomain > - MAILMAN_ADMIN_USER=youruser > - MAILMAN_ADMIN_EMAIL=youradminemailaddress > The mailman-web section has sub-sections. Under which one do I add these? environment?? Or networks below the IP address? > I have no quotes in the above 3 settings. > > What webserver are you using with your MM3 installation. > I have apache2 and nginx on the server. Apache listens on 80 and 443 while nginx listens on 8080 and 8443. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-)

7 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Member Issue Discovered

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/29/20 5:17 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > > On 10/29/20 4:27 AM, Alex Schuilenburg via Mailman-users wrote: >> On 29/10/2020 01:57, Brian Carpenter wrote: >>> With Mailman 3, every list owner has the ability to remove a reply in >>> a thread, a complete thread, and even the entire archives. That is a >>> welcome difference from MM2 in my opinion. >> >> A very welcome difference, only I don't see this option in the web >> interface of my debian 3.2.1 installation. Is this a shell only >> option, 3.3 feature or configuration option I have missed? > It is not a shell option. It can be done via Hyperkitty but I am not > sure when that feature showed up. Actually, with current HyperKitty, only site admins can remove messages or threads or the archive. The ability for list owners to do it is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/261>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty Error Curiosity

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/11/20 4:18 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > > Some sort of auto-discard procedure after a number of retries? Is it > possible to detect a message with a null characters and automatically > discard them? Do such messages make it into the thread table? The message has been delivered to the list, but it is not archived. The list post has an Archived-At: header with a URL, but the message isn't there at all. The only way to get it archived is to correct the message defect. Thus, I don't think it's good to just discard the message at that point. I'm fine with moving out of or not queueing it in the first place in var/archives/hyperkitty/spool, but I think it should be preserved somewhere, say in var/archives/hyperkitty/bad, and along with that, some kind of notice sent to the site admin so bad messages don't just accumulate without being seen. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Delete Django profiles not signed up to a list

by Odhiambo Washington

Which script? I think it should run easily as long as it relies on mailman-web. I run mailman-web with several arguments from a single bash script in my several MM3 setups. On Sat, Apr 1, 2023, 00:18 Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io> wrote: > Hi. > > Has anyone managed to get this script running using the Mailman-Web setup > in a venv? It was working when Settings.py was in the /opt/mailman/mm > directory but since moving to Mailman-Web has it in /etc/mailman3. I have > been trying to import Mailman-Web to get the Django environment running but > every time I do this I get a not configured exception raised. > > Thanks. > Andrew. > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to odhiambo(a)gmail.com >

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Importing mbox files into archive defect with lines with From

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/19/23 2:25 AM, Alex Schuilenburg via Mailman-users wrote: > > Prefixing the line with '>' allows the hyperkitty_import to partially succeed - partially as the line and everything below it is omitted from message in the archive. Presumably because the archiver thinks the remainder is a quote which it omits? > > Prefixing with a single whitespace was the best work-around, since the renderer ignores it when viewing the message from the archive. As discussed earlier in this thread, issues with unescaped 'From ' lines in message bodies exist because of the format of *nix mbox files where lines beginning with 'From ' are message separators by definition. Escaping such lines by prefixing them with `>` is a defacto standard. As far as this causing HyperKitty to ignore the rest of the message is concerned, I do not see that with current HyperKitty. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users]Re: mailman 2 vs. mailman 3: what happened to multipart/digest?

by Simon Hanna

On 05/12/2016 09:26 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On May 12, 2016, at 12:18 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> It is the intent that Postorius will eventually expose all these >> settings. We're not there yet. At present you could possibly do this by >> interacting with mailmanclient, although I'm not certain the settings are >> exposed there. > > I'm not sure if they're exposed in mailmanclient, but they are exposed in the > core's REST API, on the member resource. It's the `delivery_mode` attribute > and it takes as legal values one of 'regular', 'plaintext_digests', > 'mime_digests', and 'summary_digests' (IOW, the enum item names for the > DeliveryMode enum). They are exposed in mailmanclient and are used in postorius. They can be found in the users personal subscription settings https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/accounts/mailmansettings/ > > Cheers, > -Barry > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

10 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Immediate notification to the administrator

by pau.baiges＠csuc.cat

Hello In Mailman, I have all the lists marked with the "Immediate notification to the administrator" option. Should list moderators receive immediate notification of new requests as well as daily reminders about the pending ones? List moderators (and list administrators) receive daily reminders of pending requests for approval, such as subscriptions to a moderated list or submissions that are held for some reason. Enabling this option results in immediate notifications being sent upon the arrival of new requests. When there's a message being held because it needs approval, it automatically sends an email to the list owners. However, it also states that it sends a daily reminder if the email remains unapproved, but it's not doing that. I'll show you how I have /etc/postfix/transport configured. I receive the first "owner" email, but not the daily one. list-owner(a)llistes.csuc.cat relay:[ip]:25 list(a)llistes.csuc.cat .. list-admin(a)llistes.csuc.cat ... list-bounces(a)llistes.csuc.cat ... list-confirm(a)llistes.csuc.cat ... list-join(a)llistes.csuc.cat ... list-leave(a)llistes.csuc.cat ... list-request(a)llistes.csuc.cat ... list-subscribe(a)llistes.csuc.cat ...

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: One-click unsubscribe?

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Jered Floyd writes: > I'm not going to defend Google's implementations and policies here, I'm not asking anybody to do it one way or the other, I'm just generally pissed off that mailing lists have to bear the burden of the abuse of mail protocols by large monopolistic companies, who won't impose sensible restrictions on their users (a domain with p=reject should not be sending to mailing lists). > but the RFC 2369 fields are regularly insufficient. You're right. I misread the code to say that the List-Unsubscribe field would contain the subscribed address if the distributed post was personalized, but it doesn't. We can fix that (in the case of a personalized list), and we should fix it with RFC 8058. I'll need to check, but I think we want to add a full configuration section on Postorius for all the List-* fields (RFCs 2369, 2919, and now 8058). Besides the options to include the fields and set their content, there should be options for "Mailman standard" mailto and http(s) URIs, as well as an option to edit the http(s) URI for folks who use something other than Postorius. I need to go back and read RFC 8058, but I think that the address information in the RFC 8058 URI can be completely opaque. I'm not sure if that's the best approach. > Regardless of that, the little box that says "this message is from > a mailing list; would you like to unsubscribe?" that appears on my > iDevice is extremely useful and a great user affordance. RFC 2369 is a standard. Every serious MUA should provide that button for every list that provides a List-Unsubscribe field, along with help for the case where the address to unsubscribe is not provided. > RFC 8058 is a standard; there's no reason for us to be needlessly > hostile to implementing it. (That's independent from prioritizing > it or finding someone with the time, of course.) I haven't noticed needless hostility. It's a LOT of work to do properly, though. Among other things, RFC 8058 requires "The List-Unsubscribe header field MUST contain one HTTPS URI." We don't necessarily control the implementation of that -- Postorius is an optional component, and Mailman core does not expose an HTTP port to the Internet by design. It's going to require changing several schemas in Mailman configuration, data models, and databases. > Are you suggesting just adding bogus RFC 8058 headers to appease > GMail? No, as explained above, I thought that Mailman was already adding subscription information to the "leave" field. The risk in what I was thinking was entirely DOS attacks on the list's subscribers via an insecure 1-click implementation. > The leave address is not sufficient for this, and as per up-thread > cannot be applied in rfc_2369.py because it is pre-personalization. That doesn't matter, since it's an easy-to-implement personalization. Just go to the end of the field, backspace past the ">", and insert a query providing the address and/or RFC 8058 token. > > I see in your later message that you haven't enabled > > personalization in Mailman. [...] Again, this was from misreading the code. My bad, I apologize. > don't think there's really any case in which personalization should > be disabled in the modern internet mail world, and would argue (but > not very strongly) that the options to turn this off probably ought > be removed from Mailman. I would oppose that. There are use cases where broadcast of generic messages make sense and unsubscribe does not, such as addresses and lists provided as a condition of organization membership. > (At the very least, personalization ought be the default.) That's plausible. -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

6 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: remove non members from a list

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

On 6/8/21 19:33, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 8/6/21 10:28 AM, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: > >> Thanks. Now it's no showing errors (and nothing at all) but >> apparently it does nothing. The non mebers of the list (the few that >> remains: I've been deleting one at a time from the web) aparently >> still are there.. >> >> Knowing the correct procedure will ease me to try tomorrow with a >> clean head. > > It doesn't report anything, and if you don't commit() or exit with > control-D, any changes will be rolled back. I think I did a typpo. (forgot to add "()" after the "commit" sentence). And exit with quit() maybe not helps. I've done it exactly as you wrote it and it worked like a charm. Thank you very very much > > What does > > list(m.nonmembers.members) > > show before doing the unsubscribe() and commit() and then what after? >

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Sending to mangled 'From' addresses.

by Jeremy Stanley

On 2024-06-01 09:49:54 -0700 (-0700), Mark Sapiro wrote: [...] > If this is the result of a `reply` and not `reply-all` the client > is not behaving reasonably. [...] I haven't seen it with replies, but rather mail clients recording every address they see into their address book, and then when the user of such a client wants to send new mail to someone they start typing that person's name and their mail client happily auto-completes it with the mailing list's address instead of the intended personal address. This is one of the reasons we don't use DMARC mitigations for most of our lists, and instead we just try to make Mailman avoid altering anything in the message headers or body that might invalidate DKIM signatures (so no changing From or Reply-To, no adding list-specific subject prefixes, no appending list unsubscribe info to the end of messages...). It's an unfortunate trade-off, but some of our users do tend to get confused by address book pollution. -- Jeremy Stanley

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: FW: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /user-profile/

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/16/21 9:52 AM, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-users wrote: > When I go to https://.../admin/ I get a Django Administration screen and in > the upper right hand corner I see > > WELCOME, <username>. VIEW SITE / CHANGE PASSWORD / LOG OUT And my point was if you go to Users under Authentication and Authorization you should find that alekos.pantazis is a user. If you go to your own https://www.grizz.org/user-profile/ page, do you see a gravatar to the right of the Username, First name, Last name boxes, and does going there produce the same error in the logs. If that's all OK, then I don't know what produced the original error, but I think you can ignore it. If that produces the same error in the logs, then something is wrong with your django-mailman3 installation, but I don't know what. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Immediate notification to the administrator

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/2/23 07:48, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > Until then, here's the crontab template distributed with Mailman 3.2.2: > > # At 8AM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests. > 0 8 * * * @PYTHON@ -S @prefix@/cron/checkdbs > # > # At 9AM, send notifications to disabled members > 0 9 * * * @PYTHON@ -S @prefix@/cron/disabled > # > # Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic delivery. > 0 12 * * * @PYTHON@ -S @prefix@/cron/senddigests > # > # Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail. > */5 * * * * @PYTHON@ -S @prefix@/cron/gate_news > # > # At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file. Only > # turn this on if the internal archiver is used and > # GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py > 27 3 * * * @PYTHON@ -S @prefix@/cron/nightly_gzip This Mailman 3.2.2 cron/crontab.in.in file is is an artifact from Mailman 2.1. Nothing there is relevant to any Mailman 3 version -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Abusive user creation - ideas for mitigating

by Andy Smith

Hi, My mailman3.auth_users table contains 131 rows, of which 113 of them were created in the last week. All of these users have a 10 character long random string of lowercase letters as their chosen username. Their email addresses are all over the place. I only noticed this was happening because an unusual number of the subscription confirmation messages were bouncing back to me as postmaster, and I saw the unlikely user names. I matched up some of the date_joined timings with logs of HTTP POST to /mailman/accounts/signup and every single one so far was a unique IP address. So I am not going to get very far with firewalling. Does anyone have any suggestions what I can do to avoid this? Specifically what I would like to avoid is sending a confirmation email to these potentially innocent addresses. … Hmm, actually I've just noticed that all of them are Tor exit nodes. Looks like I could probably autogenerate an Apache ACL that lists all Tor exit nodes and bans them from posting to /mailman/accounts/signup. Thanks, Andy

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: To what extent can mailman 3 handle images and html?

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/20/19 2:11 AM, Paul Arenson wrote: > Hi > > The other day I attempted to send a message from my mail client (Apple computer, Mail program, html--well, what they call Rich Text). While a user was able to send a message previously that contained an image, I was unsuccessful. It should be the same as Mailman 2.1. What are your settings for content filtering. In Postorius the only thing exposed are Settings -> Alter Messages -> Filter content, Collapse alternatives and Convert html to plaintext. If this Filter content Yes, content is filtered according to the other two settings and MIME parts may be removed according to the list settings filter_types, pass_types, filter_extensions and pass_extensions. These settings exist in core, but aren't exposed in Postorius. For a new MM3 list these settings are empty, but for a list imported from Mailman 2.1, they are set according to the corresponding MM 2.1 settings. I suspect in your case the issue is Filter content and Collapse alternatives are both Yes. Or perhaps the issue is HyperKitty's rendering of the message > As well, links were weird. > > LINKS > ===== > Because My wordpress often has a Japanese URL and they can become very long, I tried both the URL as is and embedded (made a clickable html link). > > URL > === > So while I typed > https://www.tokyoprogressive.org/journalist-ito-shiori-sues-alleged-rapis.... > > It came out double as > > https://www.tokyoprogressive.org/journalist-ito-shiori-sues-alleged-rapis... > <https://www.tokyoprogressive.org/journalist-ito-shiori-sues-alleged-rapis... > (The full link was truncated with ... at the end, and the link appeared twice with the second instance preceded by "">") I think the doubling is due to your MUA. The truncation of the displayed link in HyperKitty is expected, but the link itself should reference the full URL. > The embedded one did not come out embedded buy showed the text like this: > Alternate link: 多摩川河川敷に男性の遺体、増水した川に流されたか > <https://www.tokyoprogressive.org/%e5%a4%9a%e6%91%a9%e5%b7%9d%e6%b2%b3%e5%... What do these look like in the message received from thge list as opposed to HyperKitty? > QUESTION 1: Is there a preferred way to write links, or will there always be problems with the mail clients? > (Even the web archive shows this problem though): > > https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/hyperkitty/list/discuss@list.tokyoprogres… See what this looks like at <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> > See the top item Homeless man drowns in river during Typhoon and what I mean. The first of those 3 links actually works. The other two don't work because the Japanese characters have been encoded as hex values by your MUA (which may be HyperKitty if you are posting via HyperKitty. To answer your question, you can just type the URL as you did above in your thread link, or you can surround it with angle brackets as I did in my message link. If you don't use angle brackets, it should be surrounded by whitespace to avoid ambiguity. See <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3986#appendix-C> > IMAGE > No image appears though one was added inline. > > And, as I said, a user was previously able to add one. I do not know how she did it. I also posted it to my web site instead of the newsletter for unrelated reasons. But there was an image (Originally got a warning the message was held because the attachment or something). > > So are there guidelines one whether/how to attach an image so that it makes it? Are you posting via email or HyperKitty? If by email, I suspect the issue is Filter content and Collapse alternatives are both Yes. If by HyperKitty you can only post plain text. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman 3 Installation Assistance

by Abhilash Raj

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018, at 9:33 AM, brian(a)emwd.com wrote: > I am making a serious attempt at installing Mailman 3 using docker. I > have a CentOS 7 server setup via Linode. I am using the following > documentation to setup a Mailman 3 server: > > https://xiaoxing.us/2018/01/02/Deploy-Mailman-3-on-AWS-using-Docker/ The official docs for container images sits here[1]. Although, I wen through the above blog very quickly and it seems to me that most of parts related to Mailman are pretty straightforward and similar to official docs. [1]: https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/ > > I have Docker, Postfix, and Nginx installed and working fine. The > installation of the Mailman 3 container went fine. However I am getting > the following error when I go to test Posterius via shell: > > curl http://172.19.199.3:8000/postorius/lists/ > curl: (7) Failed connect to 172.19.199.3:8000; Connection refused There are few things you can do to debug: 1. check if mailman-web container is even running $ docker ps 2. check if there are anything in /opt/mailman/web/logs/ . -- Abhilash Raj maxking(a)asynchronous.in

8 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Strange issue with bounce processing

by Brian Carpenter

On 12/25/20 10:07 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 12/25/20 6:36 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> Dear List, >> >> First of all Merry Christmas to those of you that are observing it. >> >> I have an issue on one of my Mailman 3 servers. The bounce runner is not >> running, even after restarting mailman core. All the other runners are >> working fine. Here is the problem, after restarting it, a number of >> messages show up in queue/bounces from a single list. > > What happens if instead of restating core, you stop and then start it? Same behavior. > I don't really understand what's going on. The only messages which get > queued in queue/bounces/ are messages to the LIST-bounces address > delivered from the MTA, unless possibly they are somehow in queue/retry/ > and being retried. What do you see in the MTA logs? > The mail logs shows bounce notifications being sent out as per the list settings. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: (Custom) Plugins: Proper file path(s) for adding a handler?

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/24/23 3:56 PM, Thomas Ward via Mailman-users wrote: > > When I DO NOT have the module loaded in the configuration, `mailman > shell` works. Since that was functional, I went into the shell and > executed this: > > > from mailman_customizations.hooks import MailmanCustomizations > > This worked fine, but obviously importing the class doesn't necessarily > *activate* the class. So something is up with how I'm *supposed* to > activate the plugin in the config, and we know that it's visible to > Mailman in its shell, but it can't autoload it. I'm past the limit of my knowledge here and only stabbing in the dark, but what happens after you import it. Can you instantiate it, e.g. ``` instance = MailmanCustomizations() dir(instance) ``` I'm not saying this should succeed, just that it may possibly provide useful information. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Why is it so difficult to setup Mailman3?

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Thomas Ward via Mailman-users writes: > Stephen, would a prebuilt LXD-style container or VM that is respun > quarterly but is still a base virtualenv setup based on Ubuntu > 24.04 and otherwise fully 'setup' except for actual domain configs, > etc. be useful here as an 'alternative' to 'do it yourself' but > still work as a full venv setup? That's a good question, but I don't know the answer. I can see that it has fewer moving parts than docker-mailman, but whether the people who find the current venv install too complex would find it appealing, I can't say. There is also the problem that you will need some way to generate the various authentication tokens and install them in the image ex post -- they can't be hard-coded. I don't think that's too hard, though. -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

2 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot show archives

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/26/19 5:48 PM, Qiuhong.Su 蘇秋紅 wrote: > Hi all, > > After I setup mailman3 and run mailman-suite, I can do: > > 1. Register user > > 2. Login > > 3. Create new Domain > > 4. Create new List > > 5. Subscribe to the list > When I try to send email to the list by run command: echo “test email” | mail –s “test email” test(a)example.com > User test can receive this email, but I cannot find it on Archives, and other members cannot receive this email too. You say "User test can receive this email". Is test(a)example.com a user or the list's posting address? If you are saying that test(a)example.com should be the list's posting address, but the mail is instead delivered to the user test(a)example.com, you have not set up your MTA to properly deliver list mail to Mailman. See <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.html>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Docker mailman3 delete social logins, did something change?

by bob B

for version tag you mean the docker images? 509940b4c44f maxking/mailman-web:0.3 mailman-web maxking/mailman-core:0.3 Also this works for /opt/mailman/web/settings_local.py ************** #allowed_hosts = ['127.0.0.1', 'localhost','Redacted]'] ALLOWED_HOSTS = ['127.0.0.1','localhost','[Redacted]','172.19.199.3','172.19.199.1','172.19.199.4','172.19.199.1'] #ALLOWED_HOSTS = ['*'] DEBUG = True #DEBUG = False EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = 'Redacted' EMAIL_PORT = 25 ******************* But, if I even add in one line like MAILMAN_WEB_SOCIAL_AUTH = []. so i would have ************** #allowed_hosts = ['127.0.0.1', 'localhost','Redacted]'] ALLOWED_HOSTS = ['127.0.0.1','localhost','[Redacted]','172.19.199.3','172.19.199.1','172.19.199.4','172.19.199.1'] #ALLOWED_HOSTS = ['*'] DEBUG = True #DEBUG = False EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = 'Redacted' EMAIL_PORT = 25 MAILMAN_WEB_SOCIAL_AUTH = [] *********** When I try to add the items in tot remove social media, It basically acts like my /opt/mailman/web/settings_local.py. file is ignored and does not load. I do not get debugging. the log says my domian name is not an allowed which is a sympton that this file did not load. So it appears that adding a section to remove the social media apps, stops this file from being loaded???

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: URLs in moderation messages

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/3/23 01:55, Tim Cutts wrote: > > I’ve clearly got something wrong in my configuration, but I can’t work out what. > > All my URLs seem to have the “mailman3” part duplicated, i.e. > > Https://example.com/mailman3/mailman3/lists > > Is where I have to go to get a list of my mailing lists, which just doesn’t seem right. > > In my settings.py file I have: > > POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://example.com/mailman3/' > > If I change the value of this to just https://example.com/ it doesn’t change this, That setting has nothing to do with your issue. It only determines the base part of the URL that's used to retrieve templates set in Postorius. What is your web server configuration? This is probably where the problem lies. See https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#nginx-configura… for a suggested nginx config and https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#apache-configur… for Apache. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: clicking on a username when viewing a thread results in "Page not found"

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/26/23 12:20 AM, Ken Alker wrote: > If I click on a username when viewing a thread, it returns "Page not found" then "This page either doesn't exist, or it moved somewhere else.". Any idea why this may be happening? This is a problem. That link goes to, e.g., https://example.com/archives/users/<user_id>/. What do you get if you strip the user_id and just go to what https://example.com/archives/users/ translates to on your system? You should get a page saying ``` Not implemented This feature has not been implemented yet, sorry. ``` If you get a 404, there is an issue with your web server configuration or maybe your top level urls.py. > Also, why is it that some usernames are not clickable (ie. black text with no hyperlink)? I'm not sure without research. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Displaying addresses in emails from a Mailman 3 installation

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/4/25 11:08, Steve Brown via Mailman-users wrote: > Yes, I intended to post to the list. I now see that if I use the archives > to post (as I'm doing now), I have to use "reply all". On my Outlook, it's > the other way around. If I want to reply off-list, I have to click on > reply all and then remove the list address. Sorry. I only use the Gmail > address for a few limited purposes. I don't understand. When I reply from HyperKitty, the reply just goes to the list whether I enter the reply in the web UI or "Use email software". There is no "reply all" option and no way to reply to the poster other than using the "Use email software" method and manually adjusting the recipient addresses. Is this not the case with you? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

11 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot Create New List

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sat, Nov 8, 2025 at 6:25 PM dap1--- via Mailman-users < mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > Unfortunately, after going through all the machinations to get here there > were well over 1000 commands. What commands are you specifically needing? > Everything went with no errors when I imported the list and archives. It > simply does not show up in the web UI. So the question is where did that > go? Now that I have the other issues resolved maybe I should just try the > import again. However, I am assuming the first import has to hiding > somewhere. > If you connect to your DB and run: SELECT id, domain FROM django_site; Do you see an ID matching your site name? Does the ID match what you have as SITE_ID in settings.py (aka Django setting)? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

7 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: moving lists to another server

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Odhiambo Washington writes: > Hello Stephen et al, > > Since this topic is relevant to something I am faced with at the moment, I > believe it's okay if I piggyback on the thread. I think continuing the thread is appropriate, but I personally would change the Subject to reflect the specifics. > I have a server that is already actively distributing Mailman list traffic, > and managing users and archives. > I have offered to take over another community ML (also using MM3) from > another server and host the list on my server. > I am scratching my head bald trying to figure out how to bring in this > other MM3 site and list into my existing server, especially with regard to > the DB backend. > > The list - let's call it users(a)domainX.name was using MySQL backend and > had a separate DB for Mailman core and Mailman web. > I believe combining these into one isn't a problem. But getting to merge > this DB into my current one is what I am not sure about. > > Any pointers on how to bring in this new site into my current setup?? I don't have pointers, in the sense of concrete advice I would not be horrified if you followed it to the letter. Here's how I would attack the problem. 1. Decide the List-Id and List-Post questions. I disagree with Mark about List-Id (or maybe he mistyped List-Post?) -- the List-Id should NOT be changed. I don't know how many users are taking advantage of List-Id (my filters do!), but they will thank you for keeping it the same. The List-Post question is contingent. Will you be serving their domain, or will you change the List-Post address? Note that with some additional configuration to Mailman and your MTA they could set up a forwarding configuration for their lists to your server, Or if they don't have other email needs, set up an MX. Or they can transfer their domain name's A and MX records to your host. Alternatively you can change the List-Post address.to your domain. In that case you will have to edit the List-Post address in your database. 2. There are similar issues for mailman-web (especially host names). I have not thought about them at all, so I'll leave that for the interested reader. ;-) 3. (If the DB engines are different) Dump both databases in text format (ie, scripts of SQL commands). Check to see how they differ. 4. Adapt the foreign database to its new environment with search and replace. (Be verbose about the search terms, include lots of context to minimize the chance of inadvertantly replacing something in the wrong context that you missed in step 3.) This is where you would change the List-Post address, as well. You will also want to change the 'mailmanweb' database to just 'mailman'. 5. (Optional if your name is "Daredevil") Create a new Mailman suite install using your current configs, preferably in a new VM or set of containers. Configure the MTA to save all outgoing mail to a file, or maybe firewall off outgoing network traffic to port 25 and leave all the posts in the MTA queues. Create a new 'mailman-test' database. Copy all the dumps to the VM, and edit the names of the databases in the SQL to 'mailman-test'. Restore the dump of your system into the database, and test. Then do the same, restoring the mailman and mailmanweb databases from the foreign system into this new database. 6. Adjust to address any issues discovered in 5. If none, go to 7, Otherwise go back to 5. 7. Apply any changes made in 6 to your configs, and read the foreign dumps into your system, and you should be ready to go for the distribution part. Not sure about host and webserver configuration for mailman-web, though. Steve

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3-web and the django middleware problem

by Thomas Stein

Using the virtenv installation method seems to be reasonable, yes. Adding the suggested line i did not try yet. Thanks! Am 26. April 2024 10:29:18 MESZ schrieb Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo(a)gmail.com>: >On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 8:30 AM Thomas Stein <himbeere(a)meine-oma.de> wrote: > >> Am 2024-04-26 00:52, schrieb Mark Sapiro: >> > On 4/25/24 14:01, Thomas Stein wrote: >> >> Am 2024-04-25 22:03, schrieb Mark Sapiro: >> >>> >> >>> I don't know how things are arranged in the Debian/Ubuntu package, >> >>> but you may have a settings.py which at the end does something like >> >>> ``` >> >>> try: >> >>> from settings_local import * >> >>> except ImportError: >> >>> pass >> >>> ``` >> >>> If that is the case, adding the above snippet to the end of >> >>> settings_local.py should work. >> >> >> >> Yes, that's the case. I added the snippet in question to >> >> settings_local.py but this leads to another error: >> >> >> >> File "/usr/share/mailman3-web/settings.py", line 503, in <module> >> >> from settings_local import * >> >> File "/usr/share/mailman3-web/settings_local.py", line 194, in >> >> <module> >> >> x = list(MIDDLEWARE) >> >> ^^^^^^^^^^ >> >> NameError: name 'MIDDLEWARE' is not defined >> >> dpkg: error processing package mailman3-web (--configure): >> > >> > Yes. I understand. In your case, MIDDLEWARE is only defined in >> > settings.py and not in settings_local.py. As I understand it originally >> > you added >> > ``` >> > x = list(MIDDLEWARE) >> > x.insert(0, 'allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware') >> > MIDDLEWARE = x >> > ``` >> > to settings.py and you say it didn't help. I don't know why that >> > wouldn't work as long as there is no setting for MIDDLEWARE in >> > settings_local.py and you added that after the MIDDLEWARE setting in >> > settings.py. >> > When you say it didn't help, do you mean you still get the >> > >> > django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: >> > allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware must be added to >> > settings.MIDDLEWARE >> > >> > message or something else? I note that the original post in this thread >> > refers to /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py which is presumably where the >> > package ultimately puts the Django settings, and I don't know what >> > `dpkg --configure` is doing. >> > >> > One thing you could try is in settings_local.py, put >> > ``` >> > from settings import MIDDLEWARE >> > x = list(MIDDLEWARE) >> > x.insert(0, 'allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware') >> > MIDDLEWARE = x >> > ``` >> > to work around the NameError. >> >> After that I get: >> >> File "/usr/share/mailman3-web/urls.py", line 20, in <module> >> from django.conf.urls import include, url >> ImportError: cannot import name 'url' from 'django.conf.urls' >> (/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/conf/urls/__init__.py) >> dpkg: error processing package mailman3-web (--configure): >> installed mailman3-web package post-installation script subprocess >> returned error exit status 1 >> Errors were encountered while processing: >> >> I guess I'll wait for the new package for now. >> > > >How about adding: > >MIDDLEWARE += ('allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware',) > >in settings_local.py > >And how about you use the virtualenv method ><https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html> for more >peace of mind in the future? > >

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: eccentric setup question

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/21/23 02:05, Jeff Berry wrote: > > The problem we're having is that if the mailman domain of the list is listserver.domain.com then spamfilters start to flag the mail since it looks like spoofing/malformed headers and so on. If the mailman domain is just domain.com then postfix rejects it with an unknown local recipient error. I though I might be able to just tweak the incoming mail headers in postfix via header_checks but that's not working, either because I've got the wrong check or it's the wrong approach, or both. > > postfix relay_domains might do it, I think, but if it maps listserver.domain.com to domain.com that would break the listserver domain mailing lists (I think). Is Postfix on the mailman server set up per https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h… and did you run `mailman aliases` to regenerate mappings after changing Exchange to relay to list(a)domain.com? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Thread matching query does not exist

by maria-haider＠hotmail.com

Hi, I had the same errors after I deleted a couple archives using the mechanism below from manage.py shell. from hyperkitty.models import MailingList ml = MailingList.objects.get(name="yourlist(a)example.com") ml.delete() The errors in the mailman3-web logs were such. INFO Process-1:1 processing [rebuild_thread_cache_votes] 12:10:34 [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_thread_cache_votes] - Thread matching query does not exist. 12:10:34 [Q] INFO Process-1:1 processing [rebuild_email_cache_votes] 12:10:34 [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_email_cache_votes] - Email matching query does not exist. Running the daily/monthly/yearly runjobs by hand did not solve the issue. Then I logged into the django admin from the web interface and deleted the queued tasks with the same names of the processes which were failing. I even deleted the failed tasks, but I am guessing it was unnecessary. I don't see the errors anymore. But I still have the other issues which were mentioned in other posts that have to do with not updating the number of messages and participants and not showing the messages sent from the email client of the subscribers in the hyperkitty archive.

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: adding imprint / private policy link to postorius

by Abhilash Raj

On Tue, Sep 1, 2020, at 11:17 PM, Thomas Stein wrote: > > Hello one and all. > > Is it possible to add an imprint link to the postorius start page? I > guess it is, but it would be > nice if someone could me point to the right direction / documentation. > Something like they have: > > https://lists.openrailwaymap.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ > There isn't an official way to do that, but you can patch your installation to update the footer. This[1] is the location and file you want to update and you can insert simple HTML there. If you are using system packages it should be somewhere in the `/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages` directory and in `lib/site-packages` if you are using a virtualenv based installation. https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/blob/master/src/postorius/templates/… > cheers, t. > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Fwd: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/25/21 6:32 AM, David Partain via Mailman-users wrote: > > In /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg I see: > > > class: mailman.database.mysql.MySQLDatabase > > url: mysql+pymysql://mailman3:NopeNotPastingThat@localhost/mailman3?charset=utf8&use_unicode=1 > > > Should I change the latter to be something like: > > > url: mysql+pymysql://mailman3:NopeNotPastingThat@localhost/mailman3?charset=utf8mb4&use_unicode=1 Yes, either make it charset=utf8mb4 or I think dropping the charset= option altogether will use the database default, however I'm not clear why this would be the issue as this only controls how Mailman core accesses the database, and your issue is with HyperKitty/Django and its access is controlled by the DATABASES setting in Django's settings which you say do specify 'charset': 'utf8mb4' in OPTIONS. Also, it seems Mailman core is not even using the same database - i.e. `mailman3` whereas Django's is `mailman3web`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: How To Install Mailman 3 on Debian 10 (Complete Guide)

by jonathan.mailing.lists＠gmail.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> > > Is there a specific reason that you chose to go with an entirely new doc > rather than helping to improve the existing one? Several parts of it (at > least the ones that official guide covers) seems similar to me and is > duplicate information that at least two people are going to spend time > writing and maintaining in future. The official guide is for people who really know what they are doing (including those wanting to use Mailman on various existing systems). Mark's helpful articles are useful but also assume a certain amount of prior knowledge. I just need instructions I can follow to start from scratch on a new VPS. I don't mind whether it is for Linode and Debian, Digital Ocean and Ubuntu, or whatever. If this is the "idiot-proof" guide I mentioned in an earlier thread then it's a very welcome development for Mailman 3. Best wishes Jonathan

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot Create New List

by Stephen J. Turnbull

dap1--- via Mailman-users writes: > I did not use the back button. > > If it matters, I tried the "forgot password" link and it > immediately went to the 403 page. I tried with both Firefox (my > main browser) and chrome. If there were a password problem, I'm pretty sure you get a successful fetch (status = 200, not 403) but the returned page tells you credentials are invalid. On the other hand, you do get to the login page so it's very probably not a file or directory permissions problem. I took a look at the csrf settings in the template system but it's insanely complicated, and I couldn't figure out a simple fix. With all due respect to Mark, I have no confidence that you're "getting close" to a working system. If this is a system that doesn't provide any services but Mailman I'd say start over. -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

7 months

[MM3-users] Re: ValueError: ...:EVP_DigestInit_ex:disabled for fips

by Ralf Wiegand

Hello Mark, Can I substitute Django with something that will be FIPS complaint? Can I do without it? Thank You, Ralf On 5/19/20 1:02 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 5/19/20 5:57 AM, Ralf Wiegand wrote: >> (venv-3.6) [root@maildev mailman-suite_project]# python manage.py migrate >> Operations to perform: >> Apply all migrations: account, admin, auth, contenttypes, >> django_mailman3, django_q, hyperkitty, openid, postorius, sessions, >> sites, socialaccount >> Running migrations: >> Applying contenttypes.0001_initial...Traceback (most recent call last): > ... >> File >> "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/db/backends/utils.py", >> line 221, in names_digest >> h = hashlib.md5() >> *ValueError: error:060800A3:digital envelope >> routines:EVP_DigestInit_ex:disabled for fips* >> >> >> >> Hello group, I am running into this error. any idea what is going >> wrong here? > This is a Django issue, not Mailman per se. The migration that's failing > is django/contrib/contenttypes/migrations/0001_initial.py. A brief > search seems to indicate that this won't work with NSS FIPS. >

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: Rejection Reason for refusing a subscription request

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/27/21 2:08 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > I was testing out the process of rejecting an incoming subscription > request. Choosing the reject option for a moderated subscription request > does send out a rejection notice but it gives no reason for the > rejection. ... > Is there a place somewhere in Postorius to provide a rejection reasons > for moderated subscription requests? Does Mailman 3 core provide this > via its REST api but it is just not revealed in Postorius yet? It's in Postorius since 1.3.3. If in the held message view, you click the subject of a held message, you get a popup dialog the shows the message with options to also show headers or the raw message. There is also a dropdown t=o set the poster's moderation action and a box for a reject reason if you click the reject button in the dialog. Do you not see this? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] logrotate

by Christian

I noticed that my mailman logfiles are not being rotated. I followed the instructions in https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-developers@python.org/message/ FM3TSMQ63JR2KROJGOSPENODOOQVRYCL/ Now when I try and run logrotate I get the following error root@zarathustra:/opt/mailman/mm/logs# logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf error: stat of /opt/mailman/mm/logs/bounce.log failed: No such file or directory error: stat of /opt/mailman/mm/error.log failed: No such file or directory error: stat of /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.log failed: No such file or directory error: stat of /opt/mailman/mm/mailmansuite.log failed: No such file or directory error: stat of /opt/mailman/mm/smtp.log failed: No such file or directory root@zarathustra: What am I doing wrong please? -----Original Message----- From: bob B via Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2023 5:14 AM To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Re: looking for more detailed traceback for shunted message Ok, thanks for looking. _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message/ FLCRIRLKXM3VIT3VAN7TQNJLIB3LRXLR/ This message sent to csa(a)web-analysts.net

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Configure new list via REST API - trying to add moderators

by Andy Matthews

I'm stepping into some existing code which creates a new list via the REST API. I know this works because I can shell into the mailman3 box and run `mailman lists` and it shows the newly created list. We're also submitting list config options via the `/lists/<list id>/config` endpoint, but there's a specific key that we have in our config map that doesn't appear in the REST API docs and I'm wondering about it. We have an array of strings called `moderator` that appears to send successfully. But looking at the docs for "Mailing list configuration" (https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/…) I don't see anything named `moderator` The "Managing owners and moderators" docs (https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/d…) indicate that we can perform add owners and moderators via a Python shell, but don't indicate that it's possible to do it via REST. Is this true?

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Held messages not delivered after approval

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/30/25 07:27, Stephan Krinetzki wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm running into an issue with Mailman 3. Mails sent to a list are being held due to moderation settings — which is expected — but after approving them, they are not delivered to list members. Are there any regular members with delivery enabled? ``` mailman members --regular --nomail enabled LISTSPEC ``` > The message does not end up in the shunt queue, and nothing is delivered. > > Here's what I see in the Mailman log: > > Jul 30 16:12:23 2025 (213300) HOLD: mm(a)lists.example.com post from sender(a)sub.example.com held, message-id=<20250730141221.5VVrn%sender(a)sub.example.com>: The message is not from a list member > Jul 30 16:12:39 2025 (213338) held message approved, message-id: <20250730141221.5VVrn%sender(a)sub.example.com> This is expected. Is there anything relevant in Mailman's smtp.log? Do any posts to this list get delivered, e.g., posts which aren't held. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

10 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Reset bounce count in MM3

by Stephen J. Turnbull

iMark writes: > From time to time Microsoft will spit the dummy and start blocking > mail from the lists. We're all familiar with this.... > This will last a day or two, but in the meantime bounce counts get > cranked up which can send some lists over the edge and start > disabling/removing subscribers. Only the first permanent failed delivery in a calendar day is counted. Both temporary (status 4xx) failures and additional permanent (5xx) failures are logged and update the "most recent bounce" timestamp, but do not increment the bounce count. If the threshold is set to "3" (days) it will be at least 72 hours before a "clean" subscription is disabled. The process is implemented in model/bounce.py:BounceProcessor.process_event. (The header comment for that section of code is sloppy, read the code.) The disable delivery threshold and the interval after which bounce info is considered stale is configured per-list in Postorius. -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Setting for archiving multi email domains?

by Duane Raymond

On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 at 15:52, Brian Carpenter <brian_carpenter(a)emwd.com> wrote: > > Update: the other person on the test list has indicated they are > receiving the emails now - and that gmail may be the cause of the issue by > filtering out copies of the message I had sent. (my fairsay.com address > is gmail hosted, but another is not and is simply forwarded there). > > > > ...so perhaps the problem is solved (will do a little more testing to > verify!) > > It's Gmail. Just check the mail.log and look for status=sent > Thanks Brian - then I think it is fixed :-) Thank you Mark and Brian for your patience and persistence. I'll keep monitoring the situation as new subscribers (not sure if all) seem to also be missing the user id in the members table and I then need to run an update query to fix it - but at least I know what to look for and how to resolve it! (this last week was painful!) Cheers, Duane

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Strange behaviour when SSL (https) is activated

by fr-mm3＠tourde.org

Hi, I do a fresh install of Mailman3 and Mailman3-web on Debian 11 and all seems working fine using non-ssl access. But if I activate SSL on the web server, I'm unable to login. I go to the /admin, prompted for the user/pass, and got a Firefox error page saying "Échec de la connexion sécurisée". Main django account was created with: mailman-web createsuperuser --username XXXX --email xxxx(a)xxxx.xx extract of /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log : [pid: 103142|app: 0|req: 40/40] 192.168.200.252 () {48 vars in 1039 bytes} [Mon Jan 3 11:26:32 2022] GET /accounts/login/ => generated 9321 bytes in 37 msecs (HTTP/1.1 200) 7 headers in 429 bytes (1 switches on core 0) Mon Jan 3 11:26:40 2022 - uwsgi_response_write_headers_do(): Broken pipe [core/writer.c line 248] during POST /accounts/login/ (192.168.200.252) OSError: write error [pid: 103142|app: 0|req: 41/41] 192.168.200.252 () {54 vars in 1008 bytes} [Mon Jan 3 11:26:40 2022] POST /accounts/login/ => generated 0 bytes in 704 msecs (HTTP/1.1 302) 9 headers in 0 bytes (1 switches on core 1) All is working fine on non-ssl connection. Any hint appreciated ;)

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] CSS Hyperkitty ERROR

by Johan Alsina

Hi, i installed mailman3 with virtualenv, all is working fine, the admin site works fine, the mailman(postorious) site works fine, but when im in hyperkitty the site shows without the css style.. in my web browser dev tool it shows like they loaded ok.. Here you can see what i see when loading hyperkitty https://freeimage.host/i/3n6kXKQ and mailman(postorius) https://freeimage.host/i/mailman.3n6kVix When i run my server with verbosity it shows like all is loading ok: https://freeimage.host/i/3n6SViG Any ideas? :/ My static files are loading from /static/CACHE/css/output.a0f71925131b.css and /static/hyperkitty/libs/fonts/font-awesome/css/font-awesome.min.css It seems like the real error are in the /static/CACHE files, because hyperkitty is the only one who load files from this directory.. postorius uses /static/postorius and all the css files are working fine. I checked permissions for the directory, cleared cache, etc.. i dont know what to do. This is my config for staticfiles: STATIC_URL = 'static/' STATIC_ROOT = os.path.join(BASE_DIR, 'staticfiles') STATICFILES_DIRS = [ os.path.join(BASE_DIR, 'static'), '/opt/mailman/projectes/mailman3web/static/CACHE', Thank you so much in advance.

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Templates and docker-mailman

by Abhilash Raj

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018, at 2:47 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 03/20/2018 02:13 PM, jwhathaway(a)locklaw.com wrote: > > > > /opt/mailman/core/var/templates/site/en/list:member:generic:footer > > > > But this is not being honored by the mailman container. I have restarted all of the containers. Is there something else I need to do? > > > That's only one place the template is looked for. The search is first > list, then domain then site. > > So the search will be first in > /opt/mailman/core/var/templates/list/<list-id>/en/ followed by > /opt/mailman/core/var/templates/domains/<domain>/en/ followed by > /opt/mailman/core/var/templates/site/en/ > > and the first list:member:regular:footer or list:member:generic:footer > found is what will be used for regular deliveries and the first > list:member:digest:footer or list:member:generic:footer found is what > will be used for digest deliveries. I'd probably have to look at the code, but aren't they supposed to have either .txt or .html extensions? -- Abhilash Raj maxking(a)asynchronous.in

8 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Error after HyperKitty 1.3.x upgrade

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/29/20 1:38 AM, Florian Schulze wrote: > Hi! > > After upgrading to HyperKitty 1.3.x I get the following error for qcluster: > > File ".../lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 300, > in pusher > task = SignedPackage.loads(task[1]) > File ".../lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_q/signing.py", line 31, > in loads > serializer=PickleSerializer) > File ".../lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_q/core_signing.py", line > 38, in loads > return serializer().loads(data) > File ".../lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_q/signing.py", line 44, > in loads > return pickle.loads(data) > AttributeError: Can't get attribute 'process_task_result' on <module > 'hyperkitty.tasks' from > '.../lib/python3.7/site-packages/hyperkitty/tasks.py'> > > How do I recover from that? It seems like there are still persisted > tasks in the qcluster queue using the old code from 1.2.x with the old > locking implementation. Have you stopped ans started qcluster since upgrading? Are you running the Django periodic jobs? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: FILTER_VHOST = True doesn't work fine with alias_domain

by Élodie BOSSIER

Le 18/02/2022 à 18:23, Mark Sapiro a écrit : > If you go to https://example.com/mailman3/domains/ (the Domains view > in Postorius) you will see at least two entries, one with Mail Host > ml.franceserv.fr and one with Mail Host ml.viticreation.fr. > > What are the Web Host entries for these? > You should have two separate site entries in the django_site table > (https://example.com/admin/sites/site/) for these domains. Ah alright, now I understand how to proceed and it's working perfectly. I need to add domains through https://ml.franceserv.fr/admin/sites/site/ and define a new site_id for each domain name. Thank you very much for your help. This is my result : https://images.franceserv.fr/images/2022/02/18/06d4eb84a0ded88d55c0296ff0c3… Now, I need to find how to set it automatic when I will add a new list. Perhaps I could do it with an an SQL command if there are no bash command ? I will check with "mailman create" and the --domain argument. Thank you again for your help.

4 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Rafael Mora

I made a change for test purpose on the mailman.cfg file and I got this: (env) [mailman@localhost etc]$ mailman restart Restarting the Mailman runners PID unreadable in: /var/lib/mailman/var/etc/var/master.pid [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/mailman/var/etc/var/master.pid' Is the master even running? How do I solve this? El mar., 1 ago. 2017 a las 13:02, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) escribió: > On 8/1/17 10:15 AM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I got postfix installed and I can use the command mail to send emails. > The > > thing is that mailman can't send the confimation mail yet, where should I > > look for the error?? > > > Look in Mailman's logs and Postfix's 'maillog'. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

8 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderate mails from owner

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/8/19 4:44 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: > I finally received the right mail from the user. I am sorry for the delay. > > The mail from the list does actually not contain any X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: nor X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: This is quite strange. There are no 'X-Mailman' headers which might be exchange removing all 'X-' headers other than its own, but while there are some 'List-' headers, there is no 'List-Id:' header which Mailman always adds. Can you try to get an example message from the list that was sent to a non-outlook/exchange user. Perhaps you could subscribe a gmail or other non-microsoft managed address to the list. I note the MX for your email domain is ku-dk.mail.protection.outlook.com, so that probably won't do. However, one thing to check is the list's Header filters settings. Is there a filter there that could match the owner's email with action accept? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Walk-thru for Ubuntu Bionic Mailman 3 Full setup

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/8/22 8:28 AM, kisner(a)live.com wrote: > > I tried to follow that guide ( https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html ), but I couldn't get it to work. I'd have to try it again to see where it broke. One thing that I got past was I had to change: > > (venv)$ pip install wheel mailman psycopg2-binary<2.9 > > to > > (venv)$ pip install wheel mailman psycopg2-binary==2.8.6 > > and that got me past that part, I don't understand why that would make a difference since the latest psycopg2-binary<2.9 is 2.8.6 > but hyperkitty/mailman-web pip install has components that failed to install. I'm not sure why, someone smarter than me could probably have figured it out, but as written it wasn't working for me. If you do try again, post the specific issues/error messages and we will try to help. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Converting non-members to members

by Alan So

Postorius is not currently exposing non-members management. Our Mailman 2 users are currently using accept_these_nonmembers, hold_these_nonmembers and reject_these_nonmembers. We know that mailman import21 will change these to nonmembers entries in Mailman 3. Since list owners will still want to manage them, we tend to move all of them to members and turn off delivery status for them. However, we met some difficulties when we try to develop using mailman client. 1) If those non-members addresses already exist as members, we will encounter error when we subscribe for them: urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 409: b'Member already subscribed' 2) We cannot change the moderation_action: urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 400: b'Cannot convert parameters: moderation_action' 3) We cannot change the preference: urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 400: b'Cannot convert parameters: delivery_status' Are there any better ways to enable the list owners to manage those previously configured nonmembers' addresses through the web? Otherwise, we probably need to have some manual effort to overcome the above three issues. We know that we can always do the above manually but we got a lot of lists to migrate to Mailman 3.

7 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Not able to start mailman server

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/4/21 2:24 PM, Kartheek Reddy Bondugula wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to start the mailman server on a mac according to the instructions given on the website as shown - What web site? A URL to the instructions you followed would help. > $(py3) git clone git@gitlab.com:mailman/mailman.git > $(py3) cd mailman > $(py3) python setup.py develop Rather than 'python setup.py develop', do 'pip install -e ./' > $(py3) mailman start > $(py3) cd .. > > But I run into the following problem - > > Starting Mailman's master runner > Generating MTA alias maps > /usr/local/Cellar/python(a)3.9/3.9.5/bin/python3.9: can't open file '/usr/local/opt/python(a)3.9/bin/master': [Errno 2] No such file or directory > > Can anyone help me out with this? There should be a `master` in the same bin/ directory as `mailman` which is probably not '/usr/local/opt/python(a)3.9/bin/' What does `mailman info` show? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] An introduction to Dynamic Sublists (Conversations) - GSoC 2026

by Archie Singh

Hello everyone I am Archie Singh, a Computer Science Engineering student from the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT), Jodhpur. I am elated to announce that I have been selected as a contributor for Google Summer of Code 2026. I will be implementing Dynamic Sublists into the Mailman 3 Suite this summer. Mailing lists are essential for broadcasting, but high-traffic lists frequently fill up inboxes with replies to specific topics users might not be interested in. This project transforms this rigid broadcast model into an opt-in thread model. The goal is to ensure only the root email of a new topic is broadcast to the main mailing list. If the topic diverges into a specific task or discussion, subsequent replies will route strictly to a child list, delivering mail only to users who have explicitly opted in via email commands. I would love to hear your thoughts. Would an opt-in thread model be useful for specific topics? How do you folks handle email overloads? I will be updating more on: Blog <https://hashnode.com/@archiesingh> Thank you Regards Archie Singh

1 month, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Easiest way to install a new mailman3 deployment?

by Matthew Alberti

I had a very similar experience. I don't mean to knock the dev team; Mailman3 is an awesome tool that really meets a need. It is really much much more than a 'tool.' A very comprehensive software suite. For me, I ended up using the docker option on Ubuntu 20.04. My advice is to give up on the idea of using OS package managers. They just aren't current enough (certainly for Ubuntu LTS), or updated frequently enough, for the current development of Mailman3. Nothing but problems for me on Ubuntu, and Debian is about the same. Pypi, or installation in a virtualized environment, was equally challenging. I strongly recommend the docker installation method. It is not quite turnkey, but the documentation is close enough where it might 'just work' in your environment. I used MariaDB, and that introduced some challenges. If you are using postgre, postfix, and nginx, you are pretty close to a very easy installation. This list is very supportive, with very frequent responses from the core dev team. And there are guys like me who really struggled to get to a production instance. Please let us all know what isn't working in the docker approach, and we will try to help I'm sure. - Matt Alberti ⁣Get BlueMail for Android On Dec 31, 2020, 8:15 PM, at 8:15 PM, ieso(a)johnwillson.com wrote: >So I've been trying for the last two weeks to get a new mailman3 server >running on a virtualized server (any server), and I'm turning to this >list after having failed many times and running out of holiday time. > >I started trying a non-docker installation on Ubuntu 18.04 >(https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xIcSsoNFp2nHi7r4eQys00s9a0k2sHhu1V5Plan…) >, which got me the closest. Except I had a problem with inbound email >only being triggered when it came from certain accounts. But that >clearly wasn't good enough for production, so after many attempts to >figure out where it was failing, I decided to turn to docker as a >solution that should be cleaner. > >A few attempts at doing a docker installation on digitalocean.com >failed, which I realized might be due to it not routing private IP >addresses, so I moved to AWS after checking that their VPC policy would >fit mailman's docker requirements. I found a great but slightly >outdated guide on how to do this >(https://xiaoxing.us/2018/01/01/deploy-mailman-3-on-aws-using-docker/) >By this point I knew enough to correct a number of places where the >environment had changed since the procedure was written, but postorius >still failed at the curl test. > >The challenge for me has been the difficulty to know how to >troubleshoot the different different systems and network infrastructure >that are used to keep mailman3 humming. I've tried about 7 different >installation walkthroughs (there are no recent ones on Youtube by the >way, in case anyone wants to seize that opportunity!), and the good >guides provide ways to check each stage to try to help you a bit on >that front. > >Nonetheless, I feel stuck and thought I'd ask the simple question... >for a completely basic, barebones new installation, what's the easiest >way to get a mailman3 installation up-and running? (e.g. Which server >provider? Which operating system and version? Docker or otherwise?) > >Any pointers highly appreciated. Google Groups is clearly on its way >out, as it no longer allows for people to easily join groups by sending >an email or clicking a link, so that should be a big opportunity for >mailman3 to step up and help give those mailing list migrants a new >home... which is what we're looking for. We're just not quite as smart >as you guys. ;-) >_______________________________________________ >Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: AttributeError: 'MailingList' object has no attribute 'get_requests_count'

by Shashikanth Komandoor

Hi Mark, Thank you very much for your response. I understood myself as quite ignorant even to find out the versions of each of the component. But my "mailman info" output looks like the below: *(venv3) [root@dlist-lsmgr mailman]# mailman info* *GNU Mailman 3.3.2rc2 (Tom Sawyer)* *Python 3.6.8 (default, Aug 10 2019, 06:54:07)* *[GCC 4.8.5 20150623 (Red Hat 4.8.5-36)]* *config file: /var/lib/mailman/mailman/var/etc/mailman.cfg* *db url: postgres://<username>:<password>@127.0.0.1/mailman* *devmode: DISABLED* *REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ <http://localhost:8001/3.1/>* *REST credentials: restadmin:restpass* *(venv3) [root@dlist-lsmgr mailman]# pwd* */var/lib/mailman/mailman* How to find out the versions of the each and every component of the mailman 3 like mailman core, mailmancilent, postorius, hyperikitty, mailman-hyperkitty, django-mailman3, mailman-suite and so, after installation? If I am running an old mailmanclient or older version of any other mailman component, please suggest how to upgrade either one or multiple components based on the requirement. Is there any link that would help me to upgrade ? I have used the link https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/devsetup.html to install the mailman 3 components. I expected that the procedure followed in this link would install the latest versions of the mailman 3 components. Please correct me if I am wrong. Is there any latest version compatibility table ? Also please suggest me an URL that would install the latest versions of mailman 3 components and allow me to do customizations related to our domain. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 4:16 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 10/25/20 8:22 AM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: > > Hi Team, > > > > I am currently running Mailman 3 with version 3.3.2rc2 and > in > > built postfix version 2.10.1-6 on RHEL 7.5 with PostgreSQL 11.9 version > > with default values. As of now, we don't have any lists and just > installed > > software components only. > > > > After the installation and configuration, I have tried > > creating the domains and lists. I was successful in creating them but > when > > I tried to login and browse the lists using LDAP authentication, I am > > getting the "Mailman REST API not available. Restart Mailman core". > > > > I see the below trace in the mailmansuite.log. > > > > > *Traceback (most recent call last): File > > > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", > > line 119, in __getattr__ return self._get(name) File > > > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", > > line 86, in _get raise KeyError(key)KeyError: 'get_requests_count > ... > > > > I don't see any error messages in the mailman.log. And I > > also executed a few curl commands in getting the details of the lists > > created and list info which I got their results successfully. > > > > Could you please guide where exactly I am missing or do I > > need to make any changes in my customizations ? > > > I think the issue is your mailmanclient is too old. The version of > Postorius you are running requires mailmanclient >3.3.1 which is only > available from GitLab <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailmanclient>. > > What version of Postorius is this? It appears to be >1.3.3. If you > install Postorius from unreleased code on GitLab, you have to install > all of mailman, mailmanclient and django-mailman3 as well. > > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman 3 with AWS auto scaling and potentially load balancing

by Abhilash Raj

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018, at 12:00 PM, Chris McMacken wrote: > Thanks for the prompt response. > > Why does the application store messages on the local disk? It is how our queuing system is built, every queue is stored on disk and messages in intermediate states like when being processed or decorated inside Mailman Core as stored on disk. *Most* of these isn't the problem, since the emails are sent out pretty fast, it's the held messages waiting for approval or broken messages in the shunt queue that would be lost and is what I mean by "State" mostly. AFAIK API being served by different instances will affect what and how many held messages are reported. > I'm guessing > it's for performance reasons but wanted to ask. Do you have any plans to > add database storage for these at some point in the future? > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ -- Abhilash Raj maxking(a)asynchronous.in

8 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Dmarc settings and

by paul＠arenson.org

In a long thread I asked this but have not gotten a clear enough explanation. Presumably, to insure fewer problems with users of Yahoo etc,, there seem to be two settings: 1) Alter messages 2) Dmarc mitigations I don’t understand how my choice in one affect the other, if they do even, Two experts have tried to help, but I think I need a little hand holding. I understand there is no consumer ready manual and all I have found us this: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/handlers/docs/dmarc-mi… My settings; REPLY GOES TO LIST (alter messages)--current settings REPLACE FROM: with list (DMARC mitigations) -> current settings DMARCH Mitigation YES OR NO (DMARC mitigations)--> currently NO I was told that Dmarc mitigations YES might prevent people from not getting mail How about Replace from with list? How about reply goes to list? In other words, what is the relationship between these two different menu items and the effect of the settings in one on the settings of the other? Can anyone help a confused would be happy user? Thanks? If so, what about the Alter Messages settings:

6 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] mailman.log file owned by 'list' user

by Mike Wertheim

I'm on Debian 11, trying to troubleshoot an installation of Mailman 3.3.3 that was done by someone else. Mailman is running as a non-privileged (non-root) user called 'xyz'. On the day that Mailman was installed, that non-privileged 'xyz' user was able to execute mailman commands successfully to create, view and modify lists. A couple of days later, when the 'xyz' user tried running those same mailman commands, they failed with this error: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/log/mailman3/mailman.log' Doing "ls -l" on the file /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log showed this: -rw-r----- 1 list list 0 Jan 6 00:00 /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log When I did a 'ps' command, I saw that all of the mailman processes are running as user 'xyz'. No processes were running as the user 'list'. It seems that some process is rotating the mailman.log file at midnight, and the newly-created mailman.log is being owned by user 'list'. Can anyone explain why this is happening, and how to fix it?

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: From address of subscription notifications

by worik

On 27/02/19 11:54 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/26/19 2:11 PM, worik wrote: >> When I subscribe some body to to a list I on I get a notification that >> says it comes from changeme(a)example.com >> >> As far as I can tell no subscribers are getting mail with that, so this >> is not a crises. But it is untidy and I cannot find where to change it. >> >> SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN is set in the mailman-web/environment section of >> docker-compose.yaml (I am using the docker distribution...) > You set it in your mailman.cfg. As it says in mailman/config/schema.cfg > > There is no `mailman/config/schema.cfg` on my system. Should I raise a issue over at the docker-mailman github? I have: /opt/mailman/core/mailman-extra.cfg /opt/mailman/core/var/etc/mailman.cfg Should I change it in the second one? -- If not me then who? If not now then when? If not here then where? So, here I stand, I can do no other root(a)worik.org 021-1680650, (03) 4821804 Aotearoa (New Zealand)

7 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Uncaught runner exception

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Wolfgang Bock via Mailman-users writes: > I tested port 25 with swaks ->mail to user on server: localhost > port 25 -> everything fine What is "swaks"? > Apr 07 12:09:21 2020 (28206) Cannot connect to SMTP server > localhost on port 25 Is it possible that Postfix is configured for TLS connections only? If so, it is probably listening on port 465 (the "submissions" port, AKA ssmtp and smtps) or (less likely) 587 (the "submission" port -- no trailing "s"). Mailman needs to be configured correctly for this. See https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/mta/docs/connection.ht… It's barely possible that Postfix is listening on port 25 but insists on TLS. But that's very unusual, and I think that would produce a SMTP error such as "Need STARTTLS" or "Need SASL" (which happen *after* the TCP connection is established) instead of "Cannot connect" (which suggests a TCP error before a connection is completed). > I have no idea what to do for solving my problems. That's when we're most of service. At least, I hope so! :-) Steve

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: AttributeError: 'MailingList' object has no attribute 'get_requests_count'

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/27/20 11:08 PM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: > Thank you Mark for your response. > > All the mentioned versions of all the components are taken from my > currently running system only in which I am facing the issue. Did you run $ cd mailmanclient $ python setup.py develop as it says at <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/devsetup.html> I do not understand exactly how the various components are installed in your installation, so I can't tell you what is wrong, but the version of mailmanclient that gives you the AttributeError: 'MailingList' object has no attribute 'get_requests_count' is not the one whose latest commit is ### Mailmanclient Version ### commit aaa529808e2d61899f90509da4ea802a70d2c8ff Merge: ff39dd8 8670751 Author: Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in maxking(a)asynchronous.in> Date: Thu Oct 15 01:09:32 2020 +0000 Merge branch 'fix-ci' into 'master'* Use GHCR for the CI image* See merge request mailman/mailmanclient!130* because that one won't have this error. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] 'Failed adding message' error when migrating a list from mailman2 to mailman3

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Prasanth Nair writes: > *2%Failed adding message <mailman.2.1593699619.32248>: 'ascii' codec can't > encode character '\ufffd' in position 252: ordinal not in range(128).* This is the Unicode REPLACEMENT CHARACTER, which means that something along the line, possibly Mailman, could not decode some bytes, and replaced them with that character. The message about "ASCII" codec usually means that this occurred in the header of the email, which is typical of spam. The message ID was generated by Mailman not by the originating system, which is also indicative of spam. If it is spam, you can identify the message and delete it from the archive. If it's not, you will need to find the text that is being replaced and delete it or replace it with ASCII yourself. > I ran the check_hk_import script before migrating and it was not > giving any error. In order to catch this kind of error, the check script would have to pretty much do the import but throw it away.

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Rafael Mora

I put this config in mailman.cfg: To configure Core to use Postfix, add the following configuration to your mailman.cfg configuration, be sure to replace mail.example.com with your email domain: [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: mail.example.com lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: mail.example.com smtp_port: 25 is this correct?? El lun., 24 jul. 2017 a las 17:47, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) escribió: > On 07/24/2017 03:31 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > I got this on maillog: > > > > > > > > [root@localhost log]# cat maillog > > > There's nothing in that log that shows any attempts by anything to > connect to Postfix. You have to look at logs from the processes you > think are trying to send mail and see what they're doing. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

8 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Selective mailing

by Abhilash Raj

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019, at 8:43 PM, chucka(a)blackforest-co.com wrote: > I like the controls that MM uses. What I have and need: a member > database [name, address, email, date dues paid, etc]. So I can do this > 2 ways: 1) select name, email from members where xyz > file. Login to > MM empty member list - which is kind of painful then load file and send > the email. Then repeat for NOT xyz You could use the API to create mailing lists on-demand with the list of members, which you can get by executing SQL queries in whatever way you want. Then you can send the emails and re-create the mailing lists everytime your list of members change (monthly?). > or > 2) roll my own php script where I select from and if (xyz) Aemail else > Bemail > > Problem with #2 is I lose the discussion part. <sigh> > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

7 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: howto reallow a banned email ?

by Nicolas Pettiaux

much thanks. I use mailman 2 interface (and will switch soon to 3) i'll look asap. --- Nicolas Pettiaux - PhD - nicolas(a){educode,pettiaux}.be - Président de Educode asbl Informer, former et susciter la réflexion des acteurs du monde de l'enseignement face aux évolutions d'un monde numérique - http://2019.educode.be & http://2018.educode.be Le 2019-06-19 6:33, Mark Sapiro a écrit : > On 6/18/19 9:12 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote: >> >> By mistake a user has been banned to post to mailman list. How can I >> allow him not only to post but also to become a member of a list ? >> >> I have not found any info on the web, or I have been unable to search >> correctly. > > > Do you have the Postorius web UI in your installation? If so go to the > list's Ban List and remove the unwanted entry. > > Or is this perhaps a Mailman 2 question? If so you'll find the ban_list > in the web admin UI at Privacy options... -> Subscription rules.

6 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to remove a nonmember from a list

by Abhilash Raj

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, at 3:45 AM, skenny(a)scss.tcd.ie wrote: > Out put from my python program is not dissimilar - I am seeing the > same WORKER TIMEOUT message: > > [10/Apr/2020:10:42:54 +0000] "GET > /3.0/lists/scss-sysadmins(a)lists.scss.tcd.ie HTTP/1.1" 200 421 "-" "GNU > Mailman REST client v3.3.0" > [10/Apr/2020:10:42:55 +0000] "GET > /3.0/lists/scss-sysadmins(a)lists.scss.tcd.ie/roster/member HTTP/1.1" 200 > 3766 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.0" This seems like is timing out getting list of members. Without pagination, I do expect it to time out if the list is large. I think `.members` by default doesn't use pagination. > [2020-04-10 10:43:25 +0000] [30] [CRITICAL] WORKER TIMEOUT (pid:38) > [2020-04-10 10:43:25 +0000] [38] [INFO] Worker exiting (pid: 38) > [2020-04-10 10:43:26 +0000] [45] [INFO] Booting worker with pid: 45 > > Stephen > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Core, Hyperkitty and Postorius releases

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 1:08 AM Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > > On 14/5/21 23:52, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > >> Which OS are you using? > > FreeBSD. > > > > > As Mark pointed, you probably have installed the textproc/sassc port (or > package). I'ts an equivalent for sass. Do the config as advised. > > I have mailman3 installed and running smoothly in a pair of 12.2 RELEASE > FBSD servers. > > There is a thread about this installations that can help: > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/mailman-3.61050/post-488128 > <https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/> I will look into this. I know FreeBSD has a mailam3 port, but I have mailman2 in production and the port installs to /usr/local/mailman so I have to be careful - install mailman3 in /opt, then plan on hosing mailan2 and moving mailman3 to it's place after migration. It's not simple. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v "^$|^.*#" :-)

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Fwd: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /archives/search

by Odhiambo Washington

On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 2:03 PM Stephen J. Turnbull < stephenjturnbull(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Odhiambo Washington writes: > > > All the above noted, and well-received. > > I only decided to experiment with this particular documentation because > it > > is the *OFFICIAL* one. > > Yup, and thank you for that! > > But not everyone has the time or the skills for it, so I wanted to say > in a public place that questions really are welcome (and please > don't be deterred if occasionally we seem exasperated by somebody's > questions, that happens but we get over it, it's not your fault :-). > > Steve > > Hello Steve, That is quite well understood. I am all too happy to be asking questions and yes, I know you and Mark do give us a lot of your time and we are grateful. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Debian Package Install - Ownership and Permissions

by Odhiambo Washington

On Fri, Apr 7, 2023 at 8:09 PM Andreas Schamanek < as2020+github(a)fam.tuwien.ac.at> wrote: > > On Fri, 7 Apr 2023, at 12:43, Dave Hall via Mailman-users wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 7, 2023 at 12:29 PM Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> On Fri, Apr 7, 2023 at 7:14 PM Dave Hall via Mailman-users < > >> mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > > >> It's actually not that difficult to migrate from the Debian > >> packages to the virtualenv setup. > > It's not an option for me today. > > I feel you. > > I am running MM2 und 3 in parallel without problems, I do have a > special MTA setup though (Sendmail). Can't speak for Postfix etc.. > Your setup can handle list1(a)domain1.name via MM2 and MM3, simultaneously, right? :-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] spam filtering (was: Re: list of subscribers)

by Peter Münster

On Sun, Feb 04 2018, Mark Sapiro wrote: > This would seem to be specific to your use case. I think in general what > we would want to display is the display_name from the list's member record. Ok, I see. Now I know, how to generate such list (email + full name) as site administrator, so it's ok for me. > We tried to send your copy of your post to you, but your MTA called it spam. > > Feb 4 19:38:09 mailman postfix/smtp[29085]: 89D4C8031E: > to=<pmlists(a)free.fr>, relay=mx1.free.fr[212.27.48.7]:25, delay=1.3, > delays=0.04/0/0.81/0.41, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host > mx1.free.fr[212.27.48.7] said: 550 spam detected (in reply to end of > DATA command)) IMO, spam filtering should be done at user level, every user should be free to filter what he likes, not the MTA. Perhaps I should do it like you, and manage my own email relay host? I've tried to subscribe with an address at orange.fr but it does not seem to work, probably the same problem as with free.fr... -- Peter

8 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Is there a "global" max_message_size?

by skenny＠scss.tcd.ie

I'm running Mailman under Docker (maxking). I've a test list with a max_message_size set to 0 (unlimited). I know it's not what anyone should be doing in production, but I still want to test this. I've sent a series of messages with increasingly larger attachments to the list. Going up in 5MB increments, I find that while a message with a 15MB attachement gets through to the list members, a 20MB one doesn't. The interesting thing is the message in the mail logs: Jun 19 11:44:50 venus postfix/lmtp[17630]: C0C7928564: to=<mj(a)lists.scss.tcd.ie>, relay=172.19.199.2[172.19.199.2]:8024, delay=109, delays=2.2/0.04/0.01/107, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host 172.19.199.2[172.19.199.2] said: 552 Error: Too much mail data (in reply to end of DATA command)) So 172.19.199.2 is complaining about "Too much mail data". That's the IP address of the mailman-core container. I'm wondering why this is happening, and where the decision is being made, as it seems at odds with the fact that the mailing list has no limit on message size. Would be grateful for any insights, many thanks. Stephen Kenny

5 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Set Postorius interface locale

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/2/21 7:55 AM, Duane Raymond wrote: > > The problems I've encountered so far are: > 1) Where do I set the local of the Postorius interface? > 2) Individual lists have a language setting, but it doesn't seem to reflect what the Postorius locales are as the only english option is "English (USA)" and none of the other English speaking locales and on the file system there is no en-us PO files....so I suspect I'm looking in the wrong place. Multiple things are required. In order to be able to set the list's preferred_language via Postorius, the language must be included in the LANGUAGES definition in postorius/utils.py. However, you can set the list's preferred_language in Mailman core via `REST` or `mailman shell` or direct update of the database. Then there must be message catalogs for the language in postorius/locale, django_mailman3/locale and hyperkitty/locale and these must be compiled by the Django management command `compilemessages`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to delete user completely?

by William Oliver

On Fri, 2022-01-21 at 16:50 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 1/21/22 4:32 PM, William Oliver wrote: > > I have installed mailman3 and it's up and running great. However, > > I > > noticed that, during a mass subscribe, I mis-typed an address, e.g. > > name(a)domain.ned rather than name(a)domain.net. I found how to > > unsubscribe > > the bad address, but I haven't found a "delete" option under Users > > or > > anywhere else. How to I purge a user from the users list? > > You need to do it via REST or `mailman shell`. In mailman shell, > ``` > >>> um = getUtility(IUserManager) > >>> usr = um.get_user('user(a)example.com') > >>> um.delete_user(usr) > >>> commit() > ``` > > > As a related question, in docs.mailman.org, I can find a list > > member's > > manual, but I can't seem to find an admin manual. Is there one? > > > No, not per se. > Thanks! billo

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Docker or virtualenv?

by Johannes Rohr

Am 31.12.22 um 12:29 schrieb Andrew Hodgson: > I actually moved from Docker to Virtualenv on my machine as I wanted to use the same larger VM to run a Cloudron instance which takes over Docker. Overall I have been more happier with the virtualenv approach as it allows me to customise the install more easier. I did look at running Mailman using Azure Container instances. The main thing here is we need to get the MTA integrated, and the MTA needs to send out emails from a static IP address with reverse DNS etc setup. This isn't easy to do on anything other than a VM. Sorry, can you elaborate? Are you talking about an MTA that runs inside a VM? Docker actually isn't a VM, so I am a bit confused. Johannes > > Thanks. > Andrew. > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to johannes(a)rohr.org

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Missing Base64 encoding from control message reply

by Mark Sapiro

I have now seen a similar instance on one of my servers. I was able to get the raw garbled response from the user. I have asked to get the raw message that was sent, but unfortunately, I haven't gotten it and I suspect I won't. I think it was an attempted post sent by mistake to the LIST-confirm address. I have tried, so far without success, to duplicate this, but I will keep at it. The raw message is attached. This one is worse than the one in the OP in that the Content-Transfer-Encoding is base64, but the content is unreadable in the raw message. It is clearly not a valid base64 encoding. I'm guessing that the original message looked similar to the one in the OP, but Microsoft Exchange garbled it by doing some attempt at base64 decoding the unencoded plain text and placing that result in the message body -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: "From address" for list moderation notification

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/29/23 10:58 AM, ronn.ramirez(a)pge.com wrote: > Hi Mailman Group, > > I noticed that the from address for list moderation notifications are coming from a certain user address. > May you please help me figure out where to change this? > > In this example, I would like to change the From address "listadmin(a)domain.com" > > ================================================================ > -----Original Message----- > From: Admin <listadmin(a)domain.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2023 12:00 AM > To: dummy-list <dummy-list(a)domainx.com> > Subject: The dummy-list(a)domainx.com list has 2 moderation requests waiting. > > The dummy-list(a)domainx.com list has 2 moderation requests waiting. > ... I do not understand "certain user address". I also don't undersatnd the above example. These notices are sent both From: and To: the list owner address. In the above example it would be From: dummy-list-owner(a)domainx.com To: dummy-list-owner(a)domainx.com Is this not what you see? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] [GSoC 2026] [Feature Proposal] Per-List Backup and Restore Support

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Hi Sonika I am cross-posting and setting Reply-To to mailman-developers. People who want to discuss the user experience for this feature are welcome to override and continue here, but the primary purpose of this thread seems to be implementation, so mailman-developers seems more appropriate. You're welcome to post here, but most implementation discussions are taking place on mailman-developers(a)python.org. The advantage to posting here is primarily when you are hoping for information about how popular a feature is, or what users (mostly admins) think about a design choice that affects the user experience. >>>>> sonika gutha via Mailman-users writes: > I am exploring the possibility of implementing a *per-list backup > and restore feature* for Mailman. This has been recently requested and seems plausible in general. > I plan to implement this feature in two parts. The main backup and > restore logic should live in *Mailman Core*, since that is where > the actual list configuration and membership data are stored. Besides marshaling the information and serializing it to JSON, I think that the initial UI implementation should be done in the mailman utility. The issue is that some of the use cases involve security or reliability issues. For example, consider cloning a list configuration to a new list. This should be restricted to the superuser or domain owners, as others are not allowed to create new lists. Another example, if a list is backed up, and then accidentally deleted, it's possible that the member lists contain addresses that have been deleted. Cleaning that up may require superuser privileges. > My idea is to define a *versioned JSON format* that captures the > important per-list data such as list settings, members, owners, > moderators, and relevant subscription preferences. Subscription preferences need care, because they are the property of the subscriber, not the list administrator. > while leaving more complex areas such as archives or other external > components out of scope unless they are explicitly expected. Backing up archives is definitely out of scope. I'm not sure what other "external components" you have in mind. > *Questions:* > > 1. For the first version, what exactly should be included in > the per-list backup: only settings and memberships, or also > items like templates, ban lists, and member preferences? Everything accessible from the REST API, as much as possible. Web templates are usually customized in files in the /etc/mailman3 hierarchy, and are site-wide, so those are not in scope. > 2. Should the main export and restore implementation live in > Mailman Core, with Postorius mainly responsible for the UI and > workflow? Yes. These functions need to be accessible from the mailman utility, as there is no guarantee that Postorius is available. > 3. Is a *versioned JSON format* the preferred choice for the > backup file? By "versioned", do you mean the *format* is versioned, or the *backup* is versioned? In general, I think formats should be versioned because it's cheap to do so and may help in debugging. The backup should be versioned with the SQLAlchemy database schema, and also timestamped. For most use cases, the timestamp is most relevant, but for an old enough backup the database schema could change and should be checked. > 4. Should restore only support creating or recreating a list > from backup, or should it also support restoring into an already > existing list? It should be possible to overwrite settings in an existing list, for example in case of accidental changes, or to share ban lists and templates. Note that this implies partial restores, but that's not in scope for the moment. The specific use case recently requested was an organization that wants to implement a policy of being able to restore a deleted list for a certain period of time in case there are regrets. -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Bounce processing

by Mark Ziranski

Thank you. when can we expect the release of Mailman 3.2? Gesendet: Freitag, 11. August 2017 um 17:06 Uhr Von: "Barry Warsaw" <barry(a)list.org> An: "Mailman 3 users (mailman-users(a)mailman3.org)" <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Betreff: [MM3-users] Re: Bounce processing On Aug 11, 2017, at 06:02, Mark Ziranski <Wal3(a)gmx.net> wrote: > I read that mailman3 supports 'bounce processing' but I do not know how > to configure it. I want to delete members automatically from a mailing > list if the delivery has failed after a certain time of attempts > because his mailbox has been removed or his mail server has been > shutdown etc. There is also the case that an users mailbox is full > (mailbox limit exceeded). Is possible to deal with this case too? Bounce processing is currently incomplete in Mailman 3.1. We will fix that in Mailman 3.2. (I was going to include a link to the issue, but GL is giving me a 500 error right now.) -Barry _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list mailman-users(a)mailman3.org [1]https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org / References 1. https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

8 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Clean-up of non-members

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, Dec 23, 2024 at 8:58 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/23/24 02:16, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 23, 2024 at 1:37 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > >> Isn't this just `mailman members --role nonmember LISTSPEC`? > >> > > > > I didn't know that the option was right in front of me, but it seems > there > > is a problem: > > GNU Mailman 3.3.10 (Tom Sawyer), Mailman Core API Version 3.1 > ... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'display_name' > > > I saw that too. Reported > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1187 and fixed > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1297 It isn't clear to me what I should do to mitigate the error. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius, Hyperkitty new release candidates

by Abhilash Raj

Hey Everyone, It turned out that we added a lot of bugfixes soon after the rc1 and so I am going to do another rc before the stable release. - Postorius: 1.3.3rc2 Changelog: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html#rc2 Download: https://pypi.org/project/postorius/1.3.3rc2/ - Hyperkitty: 1.3.3rc2 Changelog: https://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/news.html#rc2 Download: https://pypi.org/project/HyperKitty/1.3.3rc2/ - Django-mailman3: 1.3.3rc2 Changelog: https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/blob/master/README.rst Download: https://pypi.org/project/django-mailman3/1.3.3rc2/ The major changes between rc1 and rc2 are are mostly bugfixes. One big cosmetic change is Settings page for List owners, which now has a vertical menu on the left instead of horizontal tabs. The major problem with horizontal tabs for settings was that we were running out of horizontal space in our page width, because of which we weren't able to separate out settings in as-many sections as wanted to. Bounce processing for example was a part of the "Member Policy" tab which included subscription/un-subscription policies. Now, we have a new section for "bounce processing" and flexibility to group other settings into a new section for better discovery of so many list settings. Hopefully, this will be the last rc and I'll do a stable release next weekend! Abhilash On Sat, May 9, 2020, at 6:46 PM, Abhilash Raj wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I am pleased to announce a couple of more releases: > > - Postorius: 1.3.3rc1 > Changelog: > https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html#rc1 > Download: https://pypi.org/project/postorius/1.3.3rc1/ > - Hyperkitty: 1.3.3rc1 > Changelog: https://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/news.html#rc1 > Download: https://pypi.org/project/HyperKitty/1.3.3rc1/ > - Mailmanclient: 3.3.1rc1 > Changelog: > https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailmanclient/en/latest/src/mailmanclien… > Download: https://pypi.org/project/mailmanclient/3.3.1rc1/ > - Django-mailman3: 1.3.3rc1 > Changelog: > https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/blob/master/README.rst > Download: https://pypi.org/project/django-mailman3/1.3.3rc1/ > > Python 3.6+ and Django 2.0+ is supported for all of them. Django 3.0 > support for Hyperkitty requires manually upgrading a dependency > (django-haystack>=3.0b2, once a stable version of this has been > released, it shouldn't require manually upgrading). > > There are tons of bug-fixes across the board and some new features. > > Biggest visible change is switch to Bootstrap 4, which has been long > pending for us. Bootstrap 4 completely changes the CSS grid model using > the new Flexbox. There might be some small changes or breakages when > using on mobile. Please report such issues to us via Gitlab! > > Some other notable changes are in Postorius, which includes many more > list settings exposed include content filtering settings, bounce > processing (which was added in the previous release of Mailman Core) > settings and some other ones. You can now also specify a reason when > rejecting held messages. > > There was also a gnarly bug, which caused the name of some members to > be the string "None". For the longest time, I couldn't figure out the > reason for it, but it ended up being a simple fix in mailmanclient's > json serialization of display_name, which would result in Python's None > value being passed as string "None" to Mailman's API for subscription. > > There is also better support for filtering visible lists based on the > current vhost, which I see a few people are already waiting for from > mailman-users list. > > A full changelog has been added to each project in the top. These are > still pre-releases and if you are installing via pip, you would need > the `--pre` flag, for e.g. > > $ pip install --pre --upgrade postorius hyperkitty > > As with all other releases, these have also been running on > mail.python.org and lists.mailman3.org for some time now, so it should > be relatively safe to upgrade to. Stable releases for this is now > scheduled in 1 week, hopefully, next weekend. > > -- > thanks, > Abhilash Raj (maxking) -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

6 years

[MM3-users] migration plan and auto responder

by Mohsen Masoudfar

Hi, I am writing this in the hope to get some good advises for migration lists from Mailman2 to Mailman3. Thanks a lot in advance. Here is the requirements: * During the migration the old system shouldn't process the emails for the list under migration in the normal way. It should send an email, and only one to the member who sent the original email to the list saying the list is under migration. I know I could do this by auto responder, but the original email would be processed and sent to all members, which I want to block . * After migration the old system should send, per auto responder again, an email to the member who sent to the list, mentioning the new address (the domain is a new one, the list name the same), but again not sending the original email to the list members. * No hackers, robots, spammers should get the new list address. The lists are all hidden. Best regards Mohsen Masoudfar Lead System Analyst, IT Operation American Association for the Advancement of Science 1200 New York Ave, NW, Washington, DC 20005 202-326-7087

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Shunt Error Mail?

by Pete Ashdown

On 3/2/21 4:09 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 3/2/21 2:52 PM, Pete Ashdown wrote: >> I have a number of list managers with subscribers who are confused as to >> why their messages are silently disappearing. I've read the archives on >> how to decipher why a message was shunted, but this is not workable at >> scale. Is sending an error email back to the sender a consideration? > Why are messages being shunted? Each shunted message has thrown some > kind of uncaught exception which is logged with a traceback in Mailman's > mailman.log. > > These should be due to bugs that should get fixed or possibly malformed > messages which are almost always spam. > > In short, under normal circumstances messages should not be shunted at > all and when they are it is something the site admins need to address. > It is normally not something the sender of the message can do anything > about. This is good to know. I was concerned that shunting could happen due to HTML or message content (ie: not size).

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Delayed password requests & migrating users from mm2

by Duane Raymond

Hi again, With my new mm3 instance, password reset email to members are being received many hours late or not at all. They seem to be sent fine and when I trigger one to one of my addresses, it works instantly. But many users report getting it many hours later or not at all (despite looking in spam and bulk folders). Anyone else experience this password reset mail delay/vanishing and/or have any suggestions for diagnosing it and resolving it? The main reason this is problematic is that in migrating lists from mm2, I've set a 'fake' password for them in the mm3 db and instructed members to reset their password to set a new one so they can access the list and update their subscription and/or subscribe to other lists (which they can also do without an account of course - but then lose the ability to use the web interface and access archives). So if, as an alternative, there is another way to get list members to access their account then I'm open to it. Cheers, Duane

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY - 401 error

by Torsten R.

Mark Sapiro wrote: > The issue is not related to message content. > One possibility is that there is an incompatibility between > mailman-hyperkitty >= 1.2.0 and HyperKitty <= 1.3.4. that could cause > this. What are your versions? Understood, just wanted to mention that as I read it in another thread about the 401. Hyperkitty is 1.3.4 and mailman-hyperkitty is 1.2.0 > What is your setting in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg for base_url: base_url is set to https://www.fqdn.tld/mailman/hyperkitty > if you append api/ to that and do something like > curl base_url/api/ > it should return a page of documentation of the API. If that is the > case, the issue is almost certainly communicating the api key between > mailman-hyperkitty and HyperKitty I get some information back when appending /api/ to that URL mentioned above about REST API and some formats and endpoints. So, from your words it looks like there is some issue in the communication between mailman-hyperkitty and HyperKitty. Is there some place I could/should start looking or some log I should be examining (maybe some loglevel to be increased as well)?

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Whitelist non subscriber

by Mark Sapiro

On 08/10/2017 07:12 AM, Mark Ziranski wrote: > > I want to whitelist an email address on all lists to bypass moderation. > The email address is not a subscriber. On google I > found accept_these_nonmembers but I do not know how to use it. > Please show me some examples how to whitelist someone(a)example.org. Since this is a Mailman 3 list, I assume you are asking about MM 3. Mailman 3 defines the list attribute accept_these_nonmembers, but it is not currently implemented to actually have any effect, nor is it exposed in Postorius. At the present, I think you would have to create a user record with the address and add that user to all lists with role nonmember and moderation_action 'defer' to apply subsequent tests or 'accept' to unconditionally accept posts from that address. (In MM 2.1, accept_these_nonmembers is a list of addresses and regexps matching addresses whose posts are to be accepted, subject to subsequent tests, and is exposed in the web admin UI) -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Added two tasks for Google Summer of Code

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Based on recent threads, I've added two tasks to our 2021 GSoC ideas page: https://wiki.list.org/DEV/Google%20Summer%20of%20Code%202021#List_Configura… https://wiki.list.org/DEV/Google%20Summer%20of%20Code%202021#User_Profile_T… Bcc'd to David and Johannes because I referred to threads starting with their posts. If you want me to paraphrase in the task description, let me know, but I preferred to do it this way to encourage applicants to join the community. (Note: we haven't been selected yet, so this isn't any more public than the archived mailing lists.) Suggestions of other GSoC tasks and refinements to existing ones welcome. However, please discuss them on the list (or to a core dev privately) unless you have GSoC experience. Google has specific requirements for Summer of Code projects, so there are a lot of important tasks that should not be on that page. If you have an enhancement that you'd definitely like to put on our agenda, and also suggest for GSoC, feel free to file an issue on the tracker and point me, Mark, or Abhilash to it. Steve

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to upgrade to 3.10

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/8/26 10:25, Paul Tomblin via Mailman-users wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 7, 2026, at 11:08 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> Do you have the latest Postorius from GitLab? > > I missed that step at first, but now I've done it, I see no change. It still says version 1.3.13, and the Edit Domain page still just has Description, Alias Domain, and Web Host. > > When I was installing it, it said it was this commit: > Resolved https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius to commit 2c0c3aeb905c82ee4d6724897b89def71c02c1ef > which does appear to be the latest. That should be good. It will say 1.3.13 as the version hasn't been updated in GitLab. Is an old page cached somewhere? Have you tried clearing browser cache or a different browser or depending on browser and platform ctrl+reload or shift+reload. Does your /opt/mailman/venv/lib/py<version>/site-packages/postorius/forms/domain_forms.py match <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/blob/master/src/postorius/forms/doma…>? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty threads by month question

by Bryan Fields

On 7/26/24 4:01 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Yes, I suspect this bad date is part of the issue. > > I would do a few things. First, > > SELECT message_id FROM hyperkitty_email WHERE thread_id = 35670; mailmanweb=> SELECT message_id FROM hyperkitty_email WHERE thread_id = 35670; message_id ------------------------------------- 200204151506953.SM01412(a)sunchar.com Yep, that matches the bad date message ID. > If this returns just the one message_id, I would then > > DELETE FROM hyperkitty_thread WHERE id = 35670; > DELETE FROM hyperkitty_email WHERE id = 150555; It's giving an error due to a fk constraint on another table. I'm not familiar with the db structure enough to be certain how to clean/fix it. mailmanweb=> DELETE FROM hyperkitty_thread WHERE id = 35670; ERROR: update or delete on table "hyperkitty_thread" violates foreign key constraint "hyperkitty_lastview_thread_id_5bd4f0ad_fk_hyperkitty_thread_id" on table "hyperkitty_lastview" DETAIL: Key (id)=(35670) is still referenced from table "hyperkitty_lastview". mailmanweb=> DELETE FROM hyperkitty_email WHERE id = 150555; ERROR: update or delete on table "hyperkitty_email" violates foreign key constraint "hyperkitty_thread_starting_email_id_fa7c55f5_fk_hyperkitt" on table "hyperkitty_thread" DETAIL: Key (id)=(150555) is still referenced from table "hyperkitty_thread". > and see if that fixes the internal server error when accessing the > archive. I would also > > SELECT * FROM hyperkitty_email WHERE id = 136872; mailmanweb=> SELECT * FROM hyperkitty_email WHERE id = 136872; id | message_id | message_id_hash | subject | content | date | timezone | in_reply_to | archived_date | thread_depth | thread_order | mailinglist_id | parent_id | sender_id | thread_id | sender_name --------+------------------------------------------+----------------------------------+------------------+-------------------------------------------------------------------+------------------------+----------+-------------+------------------------+--------------+--------------+----------------+-----------+-------------------------+-----------+--------------- 136872 | 200001010102.BAA05112(a)genesis.domino.org | SGZJVBCSRYSHGHR4BB2632INFGYWOJYH | UK GMT roll over | +| 0100-01-01 01:02:34+00 | 0 | | 1999-12-31 20:20:13+00 | 0 | 0 | 3 | | neil(a)genesis.domino.org | 31067 | Neil J. McRae | | | | GMT and CET rolled over without any major incidents. The cellular+| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | networks were busy but thats to be expected. +| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Regards, +| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Neil. +| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | -- +| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Neil J. McRae - Alive and Kicking. +| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | neil(a)DOMINO.ORG +| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | That message had "Date: Sat, 1 Jan 100 01:02:34 +0000 (GMT)" in the mbox. It looks like it should be year 2000 from the rest of the headers This message was found by your script too: Date: changed at line 13785764 Date: Sat, 1 Jan 100 01:02:34 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 20:20:13 -0000 > and maybe update the `date` in that entry. I'm actually thinking I need to fix the archive mbox, then delete them and re-import them once they are cleaned. > Also, FYI, assuming those messages with very old Date: headers had > reasonable unix from dates, the hyperkitty/contrib/cleanarch3 script > would fix them, except you have to get the script from > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/contrib/clea… > or https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/cleanarch3 because the script in the > latest release has a bug. I tried the dry run option on your script and it gave a bunch of output for bad dates. This was absent on the one shipping with the source. What's interesting is that pipermail seems to have no issue with this, detecting the date correctly. https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2000-January/137630.html One other thing, I did notice a number of archives not showing up in sequence due to missing "In-Reply-To:" headers from the source. The first message in this is one like this, and pipermail in mmm2 seems to handle this by referencing the subject, https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2002-April/151325.html, where as in hyperkitty it's an orphaned thread. Is the archive tool in pipermail's import more robust in this manner? I'd argue it's common to have missing In-Reply-To: headers where the subject and time would need to be used to infer the likely thread. I'll agree this is a major violation of the relevant RFC's to be missing this, but many MUA's (M$) are famous for doing just this. Thank you, -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius no connection to REST API

by Abhilash Raj

> On Aug 18, 2021, at 6:44 AM, Richard Rosner <rrosner5(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Abhilash Raj wrote: >> is the config to talk uwsgi protocol and you want to configure Web server to Proxy using the same protocol. You can find that in the uwsgi docs here: https://uwsgi-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Apache.html You probably need an apache module to speak uwsgi, the docs should have the details. >> Notice the URL is uwsgi:// instead of http://. >> Other way is to configure uWSGI to speak HTTP, which can be done by replacing "uwsgi-socket" by "http-socket” in the uwsgi.ini configuration. This might be the easiest for you to try, do make sure to restart the mailman-web service after making the change in uwsgi.ini. > > Thanks, that already helped quite a bit. The website is now loading again, but unfortunately not much else. The site still shows no Connection to REST API. Is your mailman core systemd service up and running? Have you modified the default host:port for Core in mailman.cfg? -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem with debian uipgrade

by Lars Schimmer

Am 08.03.2022 um 21:08 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > Possibly one way to fix this is to run > ``` > django-abmin migrate socialaccount > ``` > where django-admin is the name of your django management command. > > Then running `django-abmin migrate` should succeed. The issue appears to > be due to the face that `django-admin migrate` runs the migrations in > alphabetical order by app. This is fine if migrations were run during > the period after socialaccount.0003_extra_data_default_dict was created > and before hyperkitty.0007_allauth_20160808_1604 was created, but it's > an issue in an installation that wants to migrate > hyperkitty.0007_allauth_20160808_1604 without having previously migrated > socialaccount.0003_extra_data_default_dict. Thx for your always competent answers. In this case I just needed to uncomment the not needed socialaccount lines in mailman3.cfg. As we do not use them. And now I hope for a debian package upgradem or I need to replace them with virtuelenv install as soon as I need to upgrade. MfG, Lars Schimmer -- ------------------------------------------------------------- TU Graz, Institut für ComputerGraphik & WissensVisualisierung Tel: +43 316 873-5405 E-Mail: l.schimmer(a)cgv.tugraz.at Fax: +43 316 873-5402 PGP-Key-ID: 0x4A9B1723

4 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Upgrade-path from Ubuntu18LTS to recent mailman release

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Stefan Bauer writes: > As i only use sqlite, i will give it a try to just copy the database files. OK, if sqlite works for you, I think there's no hurry (I don't know of any severe performance issues for small sites, nor security issues). However, I still recommend considering a migration to one of the more powerful RDMBSes like PostgreSQL or MySQL for the long run, because Mailman installations can easily scale to sizes where sqlite becomes a performance bottleneck. It's not that hard to do, because Mailman (mostly via the Django and SQLAlchemy ORMs, but I think there's some "raw" SQL in Mailman) sticks to the common core for SQL, so you can dump the database as SQL commands and then restore it in another SQL database without too much fiddling. You may need some fiddling, such as the database-specific initializations such as setting the encoding for text items and ensuring that sized columns are wide enough, but mostly that will be taken care of by the ORMs. Regards, Steve

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: mass remove pending confirmation

by Odhiambo Washington

It's been a while since I saw Abhilash post here. @Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> how's it going in Bengaluru? Please come back. On Mon, May 22, 2023, 23:48 Jens Günther <jens.guenther(a)posteo.de> wrote: > Running Mailman 3.3.8 with docker. > > ----- > > Since we migrate some lists from mailman2 to 3, there are a lot of new > users/subscribers and an admin made the mistake to not checkbox the 3. > option that the users don't need to verify their address. > > Now we have a long list of pending confirmations in different lists. Is > there an easy way in the shell to mass remove these pending > mailaddresses so that we don't have to do that one by one? That would be > awsome. > > Regards, Jens. > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to odhiambo(a)gmail.com >

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: Post installation issues (recipients refused) with Exim4 in a virtual host environment

by Kyriakos Terzopoulos

I get this in mainlog of Exim: 2023-10-12 10:48:33 H=static.16.91.201.138.clients.your-server.de ([127.0.0.1]) [138.201.91.16] sender verify fail for <shinylist-bounces+kterzopoulos=myproject.eu(a)myproject.eu>: Unrouteable address 2023-10-12 10:48:33 H=static.16.91.201.138.clients.your-server.de ([127.0.0.1]) [138.201.91.16] F=<shinylist-bounces+kterzopoulos= myproject.eu(a)myproject.eu> rejected RCPT <kterzopoulos(a)myproject.eu>: Sender verify failed *Kyriakos Terzopoulos *Web developer / e-learning expert *Tel:*+30 211 213 9858 *Mobile:* +30 694 526 4512 * E-mail: *kyriakos.terzopoulos(a)gmail.com * Skype:* kyriakos.terzopoulos Find me on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/cirrus3d> Follow me on Twitter <http://twitter.com/#%21/cirrus3d> On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 at 18:44, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> his message sent to kyriakos.terzopoulos(a)gmail.com >>>> >>> > [snip] > > What do you have in the Exim's mainlog? > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 > "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) > [How to ask smart questions: > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] >

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot Create New List

by Stephen J. Turnbull

dap1--- via Mailman-users writes: > [2025-11-10 15:35:21 +0000] [5297] [DEBUG] GET /mailman3/ > [2025-11-10 15:35:25 +0000] [5297] [DEBUG] GET /accounts/login/ > [2025-11-10 15:35:28 +0000] [5295] [DEBUG] POST /accounts/login/ I assume the preceding "POST /accounts/login/" was you entering username and password? > Forbidden (403) > > CSRF verification failed. Request aborted. CSRF (cross-site request forgery) is an attack where an attacker tries to spoof your authenticated session. This is prevented by adding a one-time authentication token to the page to ensure that the login procedure all comes from the same host, and then the resulting session cookie is provided only to the authorized user. See https://cheatsheetseries.owasp.org/cheatsheets/Cross-Site_Request_Forgery_P… Somehow your browser or site is doing this incorrectly, and your attempt to log in is being refused. One way this can happen is if you use the "back page" browser button (or otherwise the browser history). Otherwise I don't know how this can happen offhand. Maybe Mark knows. -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot Run Web Frontend

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Sam Darwin via Mailman-users writes: > Googling: cheapest dns registrar, the results say "Register cheap > domain names from $0.99" and "Starting at $0.99!" If you're not careful, you may be signing up for a $50/year renewal or a very painful extraction of the domain from that registrar to somebody reasonable. Also, I'm like ... do I want to give my credit card data for $1 to somebody who probably keeps it in public AWS S3 bucket? (I did, but it was like 3 years before I bit the bullet on that. :-) But yeah. > Ok. It sounds like a difficult and convoluted exercise in mail flow > configuration. :-) :^) This is not the hill you want to defend unless you're really into it. I have seen worse inside of clients, LOL. All that nonsense aside, thanks for your support! We regularly advertise the non-core developers on the list as a resource, and we appreciate you making that real. Steve -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

5 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Internal Server Error: /mailman3/postorius/lists/.../held_messages - humanize: where to put?

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/25/25 12:42, Flo via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi, > > I have setup in Debian Trixie mailman3-full and came that far, that I > have created a mailing list. I can sent emails to the members. Your primary support resource for the Debian package is Debian. See https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344 > However when I send from an email which is non-member the message is > held. If I want to accept this message as list admin, I get: > > `An error occurred while processing your request.` > > And I get an email: > > `Internal Server Error: /mailman3/postorius/.../held_messages > > TemplateSyntaxError at /postorius/lists/.../held_messages > 'humanize' is not a registered tag library. Must be one of: You need to add 'django.contrib.humanize' to the INSTALLED_APPS list in settings.py. If you Debian packages don't do this, it should definitely be reported to Debian. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Finding a user to delete them

by Quanah Gibson-Mount

Due to a bug in mailman3, I have an incorrect user that's been created via github auth that has no confirmed email address yet. I've been poking around the user manager documentation (why is there no UI for user management???), and after adding in bits that are missing from the official documentation (<https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs/usermanager…> is missing "from mailman.testing.documentation import dump_list" despite using dump_list repeatedly in its examples) I can't find the user. I have the confirmation email mailman3 sent out, that tells me the username mailman3 created for the incorrect account is "quanah98", but the user manager documentation doesn't detail how to find a user by their username, only their email. And apparently if the email hasn't been confirmed (and I *do not* want it confirmed), you can't find them by email. Suggestions on how to track down this user so I can delete them would be much appreciated. Thanks, Quanah -- Quanah Gibson-Mount Product Architect Symas Corporation Packaged, certified, and supported LDAP solutions powered by OpenLDAP: <http://www.symas.com>

6 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating Mailman 3 lists

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Andrew Hodgson writes: > Mark Sapiro wrote: > >On 5/19/20 7:25 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: > >> For reference my pgloader script looks like: > >> > >> load database > >> from sqlite:///var/lib/dbconfig-common/sqlite3/mailman3-web/mailman3web.db > >> into postgresql://mailman3:XXREDACTEDXX@localhost/mailman > >> > >> with include drop, create tables, create indexes, reset sequences, no truncate > Have you tried this without indexes and then run the migrate > script? It may re-create them as part of the schema upgrade > check. That was my immediate guess. I'm not an SQL expert, but I believe that sequences and indexes are different entities, they're both optimizations that you don't need (ie, ignoring performance), and implementations differ on how they're implemented. Eg, if sqlite implements them as tables, while PostgreSQL has a special data structure, you could run into this kind of behavior. I'm pretty sure that these will be recreated appropriate to the new database when the schema validator is done. But don't trust me, and *do* keep a backup. ;-) Steve

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: Restore/export existing Mailman lists + hyperkitty archives on a new server

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/10/22 22:22, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > Will let you know if I find anything. Mark will be back soon, too. Yes, I'm back and am looking at this. I'm looking at the traceback at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… and I would like to get a copy of the shunted 1662376669.3194733+25b74de3b7cd8a28d0c3cf5b6cc6fc582726efec.pck file. If that is not available, any of the shunted files from the same `Uncaught runner exception: 'list' object has no attribute 'encode'` will do. Also, the same post contains a traceback from mailman_hyperkitty indicating the message has no Message-ID header. This is possibly related to the fact this is an anonymous list. For anonymous lists, the original Message-ID is removed because it can reveal the sender's domain, but it should always be replaced by a generated one. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/handlers/clean… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 3:41 PM Onyeibo Oku <onyeibo(a)schemefusion.com> wrote: > I am having a similar issue as described below. I don't have > /etc/mailman3/mailman3-web.py > > I added MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM variable in /etc/mailman3/settings.py > instead. It did *not* solve the issue. Hyperkitty is blank. > More questions below > > On January 27, 2023 7:30:22 PM GMT+01:00, Massimiliano Paragnani < > max.paragnani(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >SOLVED! > >I edited /etc/mailman3/mailman3-web.py adding in MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = > >the ip of the server and finally starts to work > > Is this a string value or a list? MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = ('127.0.0.1', '::1') So an array?? > Perhaps I did something wrong here. Any documentation on this? > https://mailman-web.readthedocs.io/en/latest/settings.html > > My instance is not archiving. > Things to check: 1. Is your MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY value in settings.py (quoted here!) the same as api_key in mailman-hyperkitty.cf (unquoted here!)? 2. Your MM3 log files - do they say anything? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: ValueError: The ADMINS setting must be a list of 2-tuples.

by David Partain

Hi Mark, Helpful, as always. Thank you. And do I feel silly. That was pretty darned obvious. In any case, it's fixed. Cheers, David ________________________________ From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2024 01:46 To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Subject: [MM3-users] Re: ValueError: The ADMINS setting must be a list of 2-tuples. On 3/20/24 13:23, David Partain via Mailman-users wrote: > raise ValueError("The ADMINS setting must be a list of 2-tuples.") > ValueError: The ADMINS setting must be a list of 2-tuples. > > Our ADMINS setting in /etc/mailman3/settings.py has > > ADMINS = ( > ('Mailman Suite Admin', 'someone(a)our.domain', 'someoneelse(a)our.domain'), > ) > > Can someone point me in a direction to correct this? 2-tuples, not triples. E.g. ADMINS = ( ('Mailman Suite Admin1', 'someone(a)our.domain'), ('Mailman Suite Admin2', 'someoneelse(a)our.domain'), ) -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot Create New List

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/9/25 10:04, dap1--- via Mailman-users wrote: > > I can now see the list. I can't find the URL for members so I'm not sure if this really worked. Have you created a Django superuser for yourself? mailman-web createsuperuser You need to do that and then go to https://your.host/accounts/login/ and log in as that user. Then if you go to https://your.host/mailman3/lists/lllllllllll@ddddddddd.net/ you will see a Users dropdown in the secondary nav bar and can view members, nonmembers, moderators and owners. You can also go directly to https://your.host/mailman3/lists/lllllllllll@ddddddddd.net/members/x/ where x is one of member, nonmember, moderator or owner. > It seems the archives were imported but when I go to that page there are no entries: To what URL are you going? Are you logged in? depending on the list's archiving settings you may need to be logged in as a superuser or list member to see the archives. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Problems with New MM3 Installation

by Jeff

Thanks Mark and Abhilash (who responded separately). I have worked out all the issues I was having and now the list is running smoothly. The trick for POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL with uwsgi was "http://[hostname]/mailman3/ <http://[hostname]/mailman3/>“. I appreciate all the help I’ve received from this mailing list. > On May 11, 2021, at 11:43 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 5/11/21 7:46 PM, Jeff wrote: >> >> I really appreciate your assistance. New messages are now being archived as expected, but I still have a few small remaining issues to work out with my MM3 installation: >> >> 1) some emails that arrived before I got the archive working are still sitting in: >> >> /usr/local/mailman3/mm/var/archives/prototype/[listname]@[domain]/new >> >> Strangely this includes at least one email that was archived. Should this directly be cleared as messages are archived? Is there a way to force it to be cleared? > > /usr/local/mailman3/mm/var/archives/prototype/[listname]@[domain] is a > collection of messages in maildir format. This is how the prototype > archiver stores messages. This has nothing to do with HyperKitty. It is > a separate archiver. If you don't want messages to be stored there, you > can disable the prototype archiver for the list by unchecking prototype > in Postorius -> Settings -> Archiving -> Active archivers or disable it > entirely for the installation by setting > ``` > [archiver.prototype] > enable: no > ``` > in mailman.cfg > >> 2) Some messages that arrived while I was having other problems with the setup have been stored in: >> >> /usr/local/mailman3/mm/var/queue/shunt >> >> What should I do to get these messages processed? > > > Assuming the issues that caused them to be shunted have been fixed, just > run the command > ``` > mailman unshunt > ``` > >> 3) Similar to above, some messages are in: >> >> /usr/local/mailman3/mm/var/queue/bad >> >> How can I get these messages processed? > > > First examine the messages with > ``` > mailman qfile /usr/local/mailman3/mm/var/queue/bad/<file> > ``` > To be sure you want them. Also examine mailman.log for the times they > were stored in the `bad` queue. You are looking for 'Skipping and > preserving unparseable message: <file>' and/or 'SHUNTING FAILED, > preserving original entry: <file> messages and you want to determine > which runner preserved the message. There may be a 'whichq' entry in the > message's metadata in which case, that's the answer. > > Once you have determined the queue, you can just move the .psv file from > the bad queue to the appropriate queue, renaming it from .psv to .pck in > the process. > > >> 4 Modified the template for “list:admin:action:post” through Postorious and emails that arrived after that were put in the “shunt” queue. I traced this problem to POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL. By default, it is set to "http://localhost:8000 <http://localhost:8000/>” which is where uwsgi is listening. However, uwsigi is listening for uwsgi:/ not http://. Should I change POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL to “uwsgi://localhost:8000 <uwsgi://localhost:8000>” or keep http but make it something else? > > > I know little about uwsgi. setting it to `uwsgi://localhost:8000` might > work. You could also set it to the base URL that a user would use to > access the web UI, e.g. `https://example.com` and that would presumably > be proxied to uwsgi. For example, on the server for this list we have > ``` > POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://lists.mailman3.org' > ``` > which gets proxied to gunicorn, but the idea is the same. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Issues with Mail delivery after Mailman 3 installation

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Chihurumnaya Ibiam via Mailman-users writes: > On Wed, Feb 4, 2026 at 9:06 PM Stephen J. Turnbull <steve(a)turnbull.jp> > wrote: > > > Chihurumnaya Ibiam via Mailman-users writes: > > > systemctl shows the service is still active, > > The fact that there is a systemd service implies that dovecot > > will be running by default unless it is disabled. > There's no service file for dovecot, I didn't create one. As far as I know, if systemd knows about a service, there's a control file somewhere. systemd will create a unit from an rc file in /etc/rcN.d if there is one. (I was perfectly happy with SysV init, but I guess systemd makes hyperscalars happy.) I don't know if "systemctl disable" works on those. > I configured mailbox transport because that was how I was able to get lmtp > to run on port 24, Something like that would be necessary for Dovecot, which I believe can be configured to automatically create a mailbox for any address. It is not necessary for Mailman, which tells Postfix how to deliver to Mailman lists in the postfix_lmtp table. You can find that in /opt/mailman/mm/var/data, if you followed the virtualenv installation to the letter. It's problematic for Mailman because that means that *all* local mail will be delivered to Mailman, which will reject it if it's not list-related. I'm not sure this is why the confirmation mails are getting rejected, but at a guess, for some classes of mail Postfix will first try the whole address, and if that fails to route, it will remove the extension (starting with "+"), and try again. Perhaps it does NOT do that for the mailbox_transport. > there wasn't any service before that and the documentation > <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h…> > for setting up a mail server mentions postfix delivering > by default over port 24. What it says is this: Postfix will deliver via LMTP over port 24 by default, however if you are not running Mailman as root, you’ll need to change this to a higher port number, as shown above. Are you running Mailman as root? If so, stop it, change lmtp_port back to 8024 in mailman.cfg, and stop and start Mailman to regenerate the postfix_lmtp.db. There's no need for running as root unless you have an MTA that is hard-coded to think that 24 is the one and only lmtp port handed down from Mount Olympus. Postfix knows better. Furthermore, you should NOT run mailman as root if there's any alternative. Mailman occasionally crashes for various reasons (I've never seen it take Python down, but then, if there were an exploit, I wouldn't), and is not securely authenticated (I mean, it's reasonably secure, but it is just a password, and once you get in to Mailman core, you're the superuser for Mailman) and if there *is* an exploit and Mailman is running as root, you've got system root, too. Don't run Mailman as root. Please. > Disabling this means there's no lmtp to be used by postfix, except I'm > missing something. Yes, you're missing something. Postfix is always able to speak LMTP, and is very flexible about when to do so. If you followed the virtualenv installation to the letter, you have transport_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp in main.cf (perhaps there's other maps there), and in that file you have lines that end in "lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:24", which tell Postfix "connect to IP address 127.0.0.1, port 24, and speak LMTP to that connection." If you change lmtp_port to 8024 and restart Mailman as suggested, all those lines will change to "lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024" and Postfix will be happy to deliver to Mailman that way without being root. > I set the port number for lmtp to be 24, and that's what I used, I'm not > sure if Mailman sets up lmtp itself, > if it does then I'll have to remove the config for that. > > I've stopped dovecot after our conversation so it's no longer running, the > only way the port is open is through the > config I set in postfix for mailbox_transport. That should get it working, except that with mailbox_transport set there's a good chance that Mailman functions that use "+" extensions will mess up as described above. Those functions are confirmations and I think VERP probes. > There's just one active user, which is me, and I also have root access. > I setup authentication for postfix because I'm used to setting it up that > way, this was a force of habit. > I assumed postfix would run just fine if I set postfix up the way I usually > set it up. It might. But "Internet Mail" is another name for Dante's Third Circle of Hell. (You must have committed a horrible felony to be sentenced to administer an Internet mail host. :-D That's just a joke, it sounds to me like your "usual setup" is quite solid and secure.) Anyway, any deviation from the setup described in virtualenv.html is a chance for everything to go wrong. "What I usually do" is just not deep enough knowledge if you're working with a new mail application with complex routing needs. > > What does "lsof -i @127.0.0.1 -i '@[::1]' | grep 24" output? > python3 1592922 mailman 27u IPv4 177685024 0t0 TCP localhost:8001 (LISTEN) > python3 1592949 mailman 27u IPv4 177685024 0t0 TCP localhost:8001 (LISTEN) > python3 1592950 mailman 27u IPv4 177685024 0t0 TCP localhost:8001 (LISTEN) The above are Mailman (actually, a gunicorn application) listening for connections to its REST API. These are HTTP listeners used by Postorius and HyperKitty (I guess those aren't running?), not for email. > postgres 3568035 postgres 5u IPv6 160224851 0t0 TCP localhost:postgresql (LISTEN) > postgres 3568035 postgres 6u IPv4 160224852 0t0 TCP localhost:postgresql (LISTEN) These are PostgreSQL listening for database connections. > python3 1592924 mailman 22u IPv6 177685051 0t0 TCP localhost:48638->localhost:postgresql (ESTABLISHED) This is Mailman talking to Postfix. > postgres 1592954 postgres 9u IPv6 177686124 0t0 TCP localhost:postgresql->localhost:48498 (ESTABLISHED) > postgres 1592912 postgres 8u IPv6 160224857 0t0 UDP localhost:36787->localhost:36787 + 21 more copies of the above, differing only in the PID. Don't know what's going on with those, not a PostgreSQL wizard. I probably should have specified TCP in the lsof command, UDP applications are either trivial or they are black magic. It appears that *nothing* is listening on or connected to port 24. I'm not sure how that works. I'm guessing that when mail was getting to Mailman, Mailman had opened port 24 and Dovecot was cut out of the loop (maybe check logs for Dovecot complaining it couldn't bind to port 24?) > > > [mta] lmtp_host: *.*.*.* > > > > That should be 127.0.0.1. Mailman should not be listening on network > > interfaces other than the loopback (localhost). > > Yes, it is. OK > > > [mta] lmtp_port: 24 > > > > This can't work if Dovecot is configured to use the same port, as is > > Dovecot's default. > I've stopped the service. OK > > > [mta] outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver > > > [mta] smtp_host: 127.0.0.1 > > > [mta] smtp_port: 25 > > > > Those are normal. > > > > > [mta] smtp_pass: ************** > > > [mta] smtp_user: mailman > > > > This is going to cause Mailman to try to authenticate to Postfix. > > That's OK if it's what you want and Postfix / saslauthd has been > > properly configured to accept Mailman's credentials. Otherwise, > > they must be left empty to disable authentication. > Okay. > > > The Message-ID being the way it is doesn't seem like a > > > configuration issue, if it is then how do I look into it? > > > > Probably you don't have the full hostname in Postfix's myorigin or > > myhostname parameter. > > I do have the full hostname there, I also have it in /etc/mailname. I don't understand it then. Perhaps the mail composition client is providing the Message-ID. > > If not, I would guess that's a spammer who is somehow spoofing > > the PTR record. > The log entry before that warned of the same, they're definitely a spammer. > Relay access is denied though, so no mails are going through. OK. > No, I mean smtps. Same problem except the port that Mailman is *not* using is 465. > > I don't think permit_auth_destination does what you think it does. > > Here's the Postfix doc: > > > > permit_auth_destination > > Permit the request when one of the following is true: > > > > - Postfix is a mail forwarder: the resolved RCPT TO domain > > matches $relay_domains or a subdomain thereof, and the address > > contains no sender-specified routing (user@elsewhere@domain), > > - Postfix is the final destination: the resolved RCPT TO domain > > matches $mydestination, $inet_interfaces, $proxy_interfaces, > > $virtual_alias_domains, or $virtual_mailbox_domains, and the > > address contains no sender-specified routing > > (user@elsewhere@domain). > > > > I did read the documentation before adding it, I definitely misunderstood > what it meant, and after looking at the old > documentation, it makes sense not to add it. > > Could you help me understand what the above means? I gotta run now, I'll come back to it later. You're probably asleep, anyway. :-) -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

4 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Customizing Look and Feel?

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/27/18 7:42 PM, Joel Lord wrote: > Is it possible to customize the look at feel of the web interface at > all? I have some lists that really require that subscription requests > include full name, to make the workload on the moderators, well, > workable in keeping a closed list tight. I've found where the "Your > name (optional)" text is in list_forms.py, but modifying that strikes me > as a poor plan. > > Changing that text would be lovely. Actually making that field required > would be seriously awesome. > > Is this possible in the current code base (3.2.0) without doing > ill-advised things modifying source code? None of this is really possible in Postorius without modifying source code. However, Postorius is just an example of a web list management UI. While it is non-trivial, it is possible to build your own web UI that either communicates directly with Mailman core's REST API or communicates via MailmanClient. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Unsubscribe Notifications Clarification

by Abhilash Raj

On Wed, Sep 2, 2020, at 7:32 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > I am trying to understand how Mailman 3 handles unsubscribe > notifications. From my testing I see the following behavior: > > 1. If list member sends email to listname-leave@listname, an > unsubscribe notification is sent to both list owner and list member if > list settings have them enabled. > > 2. If list list member is a registered user of Postorius and he uses > Postorius to unsubscribe, then no notification is sent out to either > list owner or list member, even if list settings has unsubscribe > notifications enabled. > > Is this correct? This is a bug in Core, for which I have opened https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/759 It seems like the Unsubscriptions via the API do not follow the right codepath and just unsubscribe the user. It also does not seem to take the unsubscription policy into account. > Brian > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: default processing

by Gerald Vogt

Hi, just to chime in: the bigger issue I see with our (non english native) list owners is the confusion between "Accept immediately (bypass other rules)" and "Default processing", in particular during moderation of a held message to set the status of a new list member which was hold for moderation as list default. People tend to choose "Accept immediately (bypass other rules)". "Default processing" doesn't include "Accept" which I think is the reason. They want to accept the member. They want to accept it now, i.e. "immediately". They choose Accept. I keep regularly telling them that they don't want "Accept immediately (bypass other rules)" ever. But it's not intuitive for list owners with litte moderation volume. I check the database occasionally for members set to immediate and change it to default processing. I'll keep reminding people. But it still happens. I think something like "Default Accept" or "Standard Accept" would be better. And also changing the "Accept immediately" to something which makes it more clear that it's "dangerous" would be helpful to keep people from choosing it. But I haven't found the best names for them either, yet. I do wonder somehow if there is really a use case where you would actually need "Accept immediately". For our lists I haven't seen it, yet, but to be honest, it's not totally clear to me what the default processing rules do exactly... Cheers, Gerald On 13.08.25 14:59, Sam Darwin via Mailman-users wrote: >> I don't understand why you are confused. > > I understand now, and I'm not confused. However before, when I was learning about this topic, I encountered a problem, and it's worth trying to make it easier. Even now that I 'understand', the issue continues. > > It's about terminology and language, and not about the functioning of mm3. > > There are distinct choices. You'd like to easily remember them, in your mind, and be able to quickly explain to yourself, or to someone else. > > - "list default". I would just think "Ok, clearly that's the default. Look at the name there. List default. The default." > > - "default processing'. I would just think "Ok, clearly that's the default. Look at the name there. Default processing. The default." > > Yes, we know they're different. What is the mnemonic device to remember each one. Couldn't they be named differently? > > 99% of the time, you can remember "a config file", "the executable", "the bin directory", you can remember a thing based on what it's called, and those don't conflict with each other. > > But if you name both of your sons "Michael" even though you understand they are separate people, it causes headaches. > > If you choose a naming scheme such as "the red automobile" versus "the red car", and then ask the person "don't you understand, those are two different things for us. Why are you confused? They are two separate things. You know that. Why are you confused." Answer: the problem is the choice of naming. > > So ask the question is "default processing" the only compelling name for that functionality? The word "default" is already used for "list default". Why use it again? Why not "Standard Processing -- run additional checks and accept the message." Or "Regular Processing". "Typical Processing". Anything besides "default". Invent a new word: quark-spark processing. (well, don't use 'fallback' because it's just a synonym.) > > well, just trying to answer "why you are confused". maybe I am being too repetitive already. > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to vogt(a)spamcop.net

10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installation Wooes

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/2/20 12:51 AM, Samir Faci wrote: > A few questions about an Ubuntu install. > > I managed to add my domain to hyperkitty, created a new list and now i'm > getting this behavior: > AttributeError: module 'time' has no attribute 'clock' > I'm on python 3.8.2 It time.clock() went away in Python 3.8. Mailman versions older than 3.3.0 are not compatible with Python 3.8. You need to upgrade Mailman core. > Question #2. I'm setting up mailman 3 on sqlite for simplicity's sake. Do > people find the performance of mysql / postgres worth the upgrade? It depends on the size of your installation - how many lists, how many list members, frequency of posts and so on. You may find <https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/sqlite-vs-mysql-vs-postgre…> of interest. > 2B. Is there a migration path if I want to switch to mysql at a later date? The migration path mostly consists of migrating the data from the SQLite database. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: 'utf-8' codec can't encode characters

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/15/20 12:37 PM, Gilles Filippini wrote: > > There are 4 emails stored into this folder. 3 of them are spam, and the > last one is a legitimate email. This is annoying that such emails could > accumulate and stay into var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ forever, causing > more and more hyperkitty errors. > > Any idea how to make their processing more error proof? Change the offending .encode() method to add errors='replace'. The traceback from the error should tell you where it is. You could also open an issue at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues> for us to look at. If you do that, please include an error traceback if possible. If there is not a traceback in mailman.log associated with the error, there might be one in HyperKitty's log (configured in Django's settings). Also, including enough of a message to duplicate the issue is very helpful. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Labeste writes: > ]$ mailman conf -s archiver.hyperkitty > Usage: mailman conf [OPTIONS] > Try 'mailman conf -h' for help. > > Error: No such section: archiver.hyperkitty `mailman conf` reads the configuration. There is no configuration for HyperKitty in the default configuration (mailman/config/schema.cfg and the active mailman.cfg). You need to have an [archiver.hyperkitty] section in the active mailman.cfg. If you never added one, check the documentation for what needs to go in there and add one. If you already have a HyperKitty section, run `mailman info`, which will tell you what mailman.cfg is being used. If it gives an unexpected answer, you're probably just running `mailman` in a "wrong" place (wrong only because the search algorithm finds the unexpected configuration file). Try running `mailman` from a different current working directory. There is one tricky point. For reasons I don't understand, `mailman` will often create var/etc/mailman.cfg, and it will be empty except for comments. I've found it very easy to trip over that file, so I usually do `ln -s /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg var/etc/mailman.cfg` to placate the evil spirits.

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: A little stuck with installation of MM3 - ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'flufl.lock'

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 at 22:11, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 7/25/20 11:37 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 at 19:58, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> > >> This is a packaging glitch with the flufl modules. Remove and reinstall > >> them. > >> > >> pip uninstall flufl.bounce flufl.i18n flufl.lock > >> pip install flufl.bounce flufl.i18n flufl.lock > >> > >> > > It would appear that luck isn't just on my side: > > > > root@gw:/opt/mailman/mm # pip uninstall flufl.bounce flufl.i18n > flufl.lock > ... > > > You need to run these pip commands in your venv. I.e. do this > > > [root@gw /opt/mailman/mm]# source /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/activate > > before the pip uninstall and pip install. > <https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/> That has solved the problem. Thank you very much. I have taken note of that. for my NOTES. Finally, I have adapted your init script to get some rudimentary one that I could use on FreeBSD. I have to change /opt/mailman to be owned by mailman3:mailman3 (because I have "live" MLs on this server, using mailman-2.1.34. I am not sure if they can co-exist. I suppose they could, but what might be the security implication, if any?? This is what the init script looks like (rudimentary!!): (venv) [root@gw /usr/local/etc/rc.d]# less mailman3 ### BEGIN INIT INFO # Provides: GNU Mailman # Short-Description: Mailman3 Service # Description: service control for Mailman3 ### END INIT INFO PATH=/opt/mailman/mm/bin:/opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/bin:/sbin: DESC="GNU Mailman service" DAEMON=/opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman NAME=mailman USER=mailman3 GROUP=mailman3 # Needed by click export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 # Exit if the package is not installed [ -x "$DAEMON" ] || exit 0 # Load the VERBOSE setting and other rcS variables #. /lib/init/vars.sh # Define LSB log_* functions. # Depend on lsb-base (>= 3.2-14) to ensure that this file is present # and status_of_proc is working. #. /lib/lsb/init-functions case "$1" in start) [ "$VERBOSE" != no ] && echo "Starting $DESC" "$NAME" # use --force to remove a stale lock. /usr/local/bin/sudo -u $USER $DAEMON start --force ;; stop) [ "$VERBOSE" != no ] && echo "Stopping $DESC" "$NAME" /usr/local/bin/sudo -u $USER $DAEMON stop ;; status) /usr/local/bin/sudo -u $USER $DAEMON status ;; reopen) /usr/local/bin/sudo -u $USER $DAEMON reopen ;; restart) log_daemon_msg "Restarting $DESC" "$NAME" /usr/local/bin/sudo -u $USER $DAEMON restart ;; *) echo "Usage: $SCRIPTNAME {start|stop|status|reopen|restart}" >&2 exit 3 ;; esac It does start mailman3 for sure, but also complains after a few seconds with the message: (venv) [root@gw /usr/local/etc/rc.d]# */opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman-3.3.2b1-py3.7.egg/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py:180: DeprecatedWarning: Call to deprecated function __init__(...). API class may be removed in a future release, use falcon.App instead.* * **kws)* But: (venv) [root@gw /usr/local/etc/rc.d]# ps ax | grep mailman 11677 - Is 0:00.01 /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s -q start (python2.7) 15860 - S 0:07.86 /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s (python2.7) 16310 - S 0:07.43 /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s (python2.7) 16928 - S 0:07.07 /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s (python2.7) 17335 - S 0:07.47 /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s (python2.7) 17975 - S 0:07.02 /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s (python2.7) 18419 - S 0:20.06 /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s (python2.7) 19015 - S 0:07.13 /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s (python2.7) 19131 - I 0:00.15 /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=RetryRunner:0:1 -s (python2.7) 27273 - Is 0:01.64 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/master --force -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg (python3.7) 28526 - S 0:01.70 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=archive:0:1 (python3.7) 28627 - I 0:01.77 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=bounces:0:1 (python3.7) 28988 - S 0:01.70 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=command:0:1 (python3.7) 29341 - S 0:01.69 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=in:0:1 (python3.7) 29978 - S 0:01.68 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=lmtp:0:1 (python3.7) 30843 - S 0:01.70 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=nntp:0:1 (python3.7) 31541 - S 0:01.70 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=out:0:1 (python3.7) 31675 - S 0:01.70 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=pipeline:0:1 (python3.7) 32181 - S 0:01.77 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=rest:0:1 (python3.7) 33166 - I 0:01.65 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=retry:0:1 (python3.7) 33694 - S 0:01.70 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=virgin:0:1 (python3.7) 34600 - S 0:01.69 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=digest:0:1 (python3.7) 41250 - S 0:00.01 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=rest:0:1 (python3.7) 41533 - S 0:00.01 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/runner -C /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg --runner=rest:0:1 (python3.7) 98450 - I 0:00.45 httpd: mailman-web (httpd) 59886 0 S+ 0:00.00 grep mailm Assuming that I am using mod_wsgi with Apache, and that I have configured apache right using https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience?action=At… .. should I be able to access the MM3 web UI?? At that point, I am feeling somewhat confused as to what to try next. (venv) [root@gw /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs]# less mailman.log Jul 25 22:53:16 2020 (40670) Master started Jul 25 22:53:18 2020 (42036) bounces runner started. Jul 25 22:53:18 2020 (45205) out runner started. Jul 25 22:53:19 2020 (41191) archive runner started. Jul 25 22:53:19 2020 (46670) retry runner started. Jul 25 22:53:19 2020 (44567) nntp runner started. Jul 25 22:53:19 2020 (43069) in runner started. Jul 25 22:53:19 2020 (46960) virgin runner started. Jul 25 22:53:20 2020 (45720) pipeline runner started. Jul 25 22:53:20 2020 (47326) digest runner started. Jul 25 22:53:20 2020 (43755) lmtp runner started. Jul 25 22:53:20 2020 (45922) rest runner started. [2020-07-25 22:53:20 +0300] [45922] [INFO] Starting gunicorn 20.0.4 [2020-07-25 22:53:20 +0300] [45922] [INFO] Listening at: http://127.0.0.1:8001 (45922) [2020-07-25 22:53:20 +0300] [45922] [INFO] Using worker: sync [2020-07-25 22:53:20 +0300] [54732] [INFO] Booting worker with pid: 54732 [2020-07-25 22:53:20 +0300] [55467] [INFO] Booting worker with pid: 55467 Jul 25 22:53:21 2020 (42743) command runner started. How do I access the web UI for MM3 now? Thanks in advance. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-)

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: No resend after delivery bouned

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/31/22 06:47, Axel Rau wrote: > My listserver has been blocked with 550 and I received > bounce score on <list_add> has been incremented. > notifications. > After resolving the block issue, I'm now waiting for mailman to resend > the mails. > Now, after 3 hours, nothing has happened so far. And nothing will. Mailman sent the message originally and when it was done sending it, it discarded the outgoing message. The message may have been archived depending on the list's archiving settings, but that's it. No version of Mailman 2.1 or Mailman 3 has ever automatically resent bounced messages. If the failures are temporary, the MTA should keep the message queued and retry up to a limit before reporting a bounce, but that's it. The best you can do is get the messages from the archive (you can export a mbox from Hyperkitty or get the messages from Mailman's var/archives/prototype/LIST_ADDRESS/new/ directory) and manually resend them. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] mail for lists.ccalternatives.org loops back to myself, then Recipient address rejected

by Christian Stalberg

Environment: Debian 10; Postfix 3.4.14; GNU Mailman 3.3.5; Mailman Core API Version 3.1; Mailman Core Python Version 3.7.3 Digging a hole after having simply created a new mailing list. This has not happened before. Steps taken: -Created list via web interface -Added subscribers via web interface -Sent email to listname -Received error bounce: This is the mail system at host zarathustra.ccalternatives.org. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The mail system <Deepadaptation(a)lists.ccalternatives.org>: mail for lists.ccalternatives.org loops back to myself -Added lists.ccalternatives.org to the mydestination line in /etc/postfix/main.cf and restarted Postfix -Now a new error message: <Deepadaptation(a)lists.ccalternatives.org>: host lists.ccalternatives.org[192.46.218.224] said: 550 5.1.1 <Deepadaptation(a)lists.ccalternatives.org>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table (in reply to RCPT TO command)

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: serving /static-content within /mailman3-web-Folder - change in recent mm release

by Stefan Bauer

thank you Mark, that did the trick :) Am Do., 29. Sept. 2022 um 18:33 Uhr schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > On 9/29/22 06:50, Stefan Bauer wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > > > during our migration to latest MM we noticed, that nowadays, the static > > content is not served from within mailmans base directory, but from > outside. > > > > old MM3: > > > > domain.tld/mailman3/static/django-mailman3/js/main.js > > > > new MM3: > > > > domain.tld/static/django-mailman3/js/main.js > > > > Is there a chance to change it to the old behavior? > > > See the Django settings STATIC_ROOT and STATIC_URL. > > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Sendgrid experiences

by Andrew Hodgson

Stephen J Turnbull wrote: >2023-05-10 03:49 に Andrew Hodgson wrote: >> Sendgrid is maintaining the Message-Id header which is good for >> archiving. It is re-writing the Return-Path header though which means >> that bounce handling in Mailman won't work, but I think all the >> services do this in some way so I am happy to live with that for the >> moment. >How does it rewrite the Return-Path? Returned mail is not something that such a service would be able to handle properly (although they can help with apparently returned spam). If mail is legitmately sent and returned as undeliverable, only the author or their agent will know how to handle it. So such >services should provide some way to find out about returned mail. An example: Return-Path: bounces+[Sendgrid GUID]-andrew=hodgson.io(a)em6096.lists.hodgsonfamily.org Sendgrid provide information about bounces but crucially that bounce isn't forwarded back to the original return-path sender (i.e, Mailman). A few people have pointed out they can provide list hosting at a cheaper cost than Sendgrid so I'm looking for alternatives again. Andrew.

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Rafael Mora

Ok, should I install the SASL authentication daemon saslauthd and start it? El mar., 25 jul. 2017 a las 15:40, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) escribió: > On 07/25/2017 01:19 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > What should I do to tell Postfix to use my domain?? for example send > emails > > using the email account mailing(a)labbrands.com > > > If what you're asking is how to configure Postfix to relay all outbound > mail via some other email server, that is a Postfix configuration question. > > If I thought I could give you a simple answer and that would be the end > of it, I'd try, but in your case every answer leads to another question, > so I suggest you start here to learn about configuring Postfix > <http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html>. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

8 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Migrating from Listserv 17 to Mailman 3

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Cooper, Robert A via Mailman-users writes: > Howdy! Does anyone have or know of a guide to migrate from Listserv > 17, including list archives, to Mailman 3? I doubt there is one. > I've found documentation on moving to Mailman 2, but those don't > seem to apply to the newer version. There are about seven steps in the process: 1. Get the list configurations out of ListServ. 2. If separate from 1, get the user profiles and subscriptions out of ListServ. 3. Get the archives into mbox form. 4. Create the Mailman 3 lists. 5. Adapt ListServ configurations as much as possible to Mailman list attributes (there's not much you can do automatically unfortunately).. 6. Import the lists into Mailman. 7. Import the archives into HyperKitty. Steps 1--3 are identical to the same steps for Mailman 2. Steps 4 and 7 are well-documented (eg, for importing from Mailman 2), and it doesn't matter what MLM you're importing from. Step 5 is manual labor. Step 6 I can't say much about until I've seen the result of step 5. HTH Steve

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: An issue with the postfix_domains directory creation and the mailman start command.

by Ron

On 2024-07-10 08:48, Keith Christian via Mailman-users wrote: > 4 [mailman3@somehost ~]$ sudo ls -l > /opt/mailman3/mm/var/data/postfix_domains > 5 ls: cannot access '/opt/mailman3/mm/var/data/postfix_domains': > No such file or directory > 6 [mailman3@somehost ~]$ ls -dl/opt/mailman3/mm/var/data/ > 7 drwxr-xr-x. 2 mailman3 mailman3 6 Jul 5 13:38 > /opt/mailman3/mm/var/data/ > > What should I do about lines 4-7? Thought it might be a permissions > issue but it's owned by the correct user. My guess would be that mailman is using a different location for storing these files (aliases, domains, etc.) One could search the system for where (if) the files were created with something like: find / -name "postfix_domains" Another (better?) thought would be to compare the [paths] pointed to by the "layout: ..." in /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg to ensure it's pointing where you expect (in this case, /opt/mailman3/mm/var/data for data_dir). As user mailman, running: mailman conf to double check the "layout: ..." that's in use.

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: update_index

by Mark Sapiro

On 04/03/2018 09:02 AM, Darren Smith wrote: > Hello, > > If I'm reading the docs correctly, when we run manage.py update_index, it > should be an incremental index of new emails that have been added since the > last time update_index was run - can anyone confirm that this is the > expected behavior? Or is there another command line option that I am > missing? There are two ways to run update_index. Hyperkitty's update_index is incremental and is run by manage.py runjob update_index Running manage.py update_index runs haystack's update_index which with no options does a full update. Run manage.py update_index --help to see the options. The incremental 'manage.py runjob update_index' should be run every minute by 'manage.py runjobs minutely' assuming cron is running the periodic Django jobs, so running either update_index job manually shouldn't be necessary ... > So...can anyone help with how to get the update_index to do only emails > added since the last time the update_index was run? manage.py runjob update_index -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to setup mailman?

by Jacob Bargery

Depends on what you are wanting to install it on. As for the API need, not really sure what you are meaning with that so I for installing Mailman 3 similar to what you see here with Postorious and Hyperkitty, I would recommend some great instructions I could find by Kelly Close who often posts on here. They are at this link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xIcSsoNFp2nHi7r4eQys00s9a0k2sHhu1V5Plan… They worked great when I was installing for a ubuntu 18.04 set up. However I needed to install on 20.04 and that required a few deviations and was a complicated install, so if you can do 18.04 I highly recommend the link above. (Kelly, if you read this, thank you for making those instructions, they saved me when beginning my set up) Note: Using instructions and not installing from source means that a lot of people can't help you with problems you come across during install. I found people still try to help but it's much harder. I will link the options from the Mailman website, however I found them difficult to follow when I was trying. https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/install.html

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman 3 installation from latest Debian packages

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/12/21 4:49 AM, Matthew Blissett wrote: > Hi, > > I've installed mailman3-full 3.3.3-1 from Debian bullseye (Debian testing). > > The dropdown controls on the UI for Postorius (e.g. "Subscription > requests", "Mass operations" and the username button to log out) and the > similar controls on Hyperkitty (e.g. "Threads by month") do not work. > You can see the latter at > http://newlistszm.gbif.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/test@newlistszm.gbif.or… Everything works as expected at <https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/> and <https://mail.python.org/mailman3> which are installed from source. > Could this be a problem with the Debian packaging, or perhaps my > configuration -- which is very close to the defaults (i.e. Mailman and > Apache configuration generated by dpkg). I can't speak to the Debian package possibility, but it might possibly be related to the way your browser handles the javascript. I don't know anything in configuration that would cause this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Configure administrative users via command line?

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/18/23 11:38, kjohnson(a)eclypse.org wrote: > > How can I configure administrative users via command line? I need to process a moderation request. I have root access on the server. A pointer to the appropriate documentation would be more than welcome. Thank you to anyone who can provide help. I'm not sure what you want. If you are an owner or moderator of a list or a superuser, you can handle moderation requests via Postorius. If you are a list owner or a superuser, you can manage owners and moderators via Postorius. You can add superusers via the command line django admin `createsuperuser` command. It might be good if the command line `mailman addmembers` and `mailman delmembers` commands accepted a `role`, but they don't. You can manage owners and moderators via the REST API which you can access via curl. See <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/…>. You can also do this via `mailman shell`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Rafael Mora

Regarding this: # To be added to Django's settings.py EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost' EMAIL_PORT = 25 EMAIL_HOST_USER = <username> EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD = <password> What should I use for username and password? Should I keep the localhost on the host param? Thanks El mar., 25 jul. 2017 a las 15:10, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) escribió: > On 07/25/2017 12:58 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > I got this error starting mailman service: > > > > > > [mailman@localhost ~]$ source env2Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/asyncio/base_events.py", line 1043, in > > create_server > > sock.bind(sa) > > OSError: [Errno 99] Cannot assign requested address > ... > > What do you think? > > > I think you have configured > > lmtp_host: mail.example.com > > which is wrong. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

8 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Link in the top-left corner of Hyperkitty

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/8/20 10:36 AM, Seth Seeger wrote: > > I believe this is what I’m seeing. I was able to change the displayed name by changing the original entry in Django. That name displays no matter what the URL hostname is. This is strictly a Django thing. The HyperKitty template, hyperkitty/templates/hyperkitty/navbar-brand.html, contains this: <a class="navbar-brand" href="{% url 'hk_root' %}">{{ site_name }}</a> {{ site_name }} is provided by Django when the template is rendered. In my case in my test installation, I have three sites in django.Sites: Domain name Display name example.com example.com msapiro.net msapiro.net msg1.msapiro.net msg1 example.com is a dummy, and it is also referenced in my settings by SITE_ID = 0 which may have something to do with my success, but if I go to HyperKitty via https://msapiro.net/, I see the site name msapiro.net, and if I go via https://msg1.msapiro.net/ I see the site name msg1. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Moderation for nested mailing lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/18/20 8:48 AM, peterbw(a)gmail.com wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I have a list that has other mailing lists as members. When a non-member posts to this list I receive a moderation message. After approving the moderation message I then receive a lot of other moderation messages for the sub-lists that are members of the "top-most" list (since the non-member is not a member of any of the sub-lists). Is there any way to approve a message for moderation once and have all sub-lists automatically approve the message? That capability doesn't exist. If the poster were a member of the top-most list this issue <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/794>, currently not fixed, would apply, but for non-members, even that wouldn't do. If the same nonmembers post repeatedly, you could set the moderation action for their various non-member records to defer to accept their posts without moderator intervention, but for one-offs, this doesn't save any effort. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Virtual alias + shell

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/26/23 9:51 AM, alopez(a)ac.upc.edu wrote: > Now I have created the mailing list with 'mailman create' but I get this error: > > postmap: warning: /etc/postfix/main.cf, line 65: overriding earlier entry: virtual_alias_maps=hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_alias/example.edu, hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_alias/example.org > > in my postfix file I have the following code: > > virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_alias/example.edu, > hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_alias/example.org, > hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_vmap > > Should I remove hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_alias/example.edu, and hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_alias/example.org, ? In that case how I create alias not related to mailman? Without seeing the contents of those files, I can't say, but something in /var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_vmap is conflicting with and overriding something in the other two files. Since the only things in /var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_vmap are specific list addresses, they are probably what you want, and you could just ignore the warning, but you probably do want to examine and remove conflicts from the other two files. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: Trying to understand the mailman.cfg from the virtualenv installation guide

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 11:26 AM unite42--- via Mailman-users < mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to install Mailman3 following the Virtualenv Installation > guide. I would like to understand why the configurations in the displayed > mailman.cfg are recommended. > > Especially the following two: > > [archiver.prototype] > enable: yes > > "The prototype archiver stores messages individually in > var/archives/prototype/LIST_NAME/." > > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > Do I need this, when using hyperkitty? Is this a fail-safe recommendation? > > [mta] > verp_confirmations: yes > verp_personalized_deliveries: yes > verp_delivery_interval: 1 > > What is the background of these recommendations? > Please take a look at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/config/schema.… -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Change 'from' server for outgoing messages

by Benjamin Goldberg

Well, this is interesting. Based on your reply, I stopped trying to figure out any difference between the admin messages and the posts. Instead I removed the settings which routed the outgoing messages through MailerSend. That worked. I received both a welcome message and a post from a list I created just for this test. Then I restored the settings, and it still worked! Without the external routing, my messages ended up in spam but at least they were delivered. Routed through MailerSend they get delivered to my inbox. I'll do some more testing because this all seems strange and I'm not convinced it's fixed. BTW the errors that I had been getting were, at first: response exception: (450, b'The from.email must be verified. The from.email must be verified.') but later changed to: response exception: (450, b'Sorry, please try again. 429 Too many requests.') I had assumed both errors were being generated by MailerSend but now I'm not sure I'm not sure it's fixed but if not, I'm certainly closer. Thank you

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: E-mail every minute: "Cron <www-data@sharky5> ..."

by Jeremy Stanley

On 2024-07-07 13:43:49 -0400 (-0400), Robert Heller wrote: [...] > what is the point of the Debian 12 packages? Are they just not > meant to be used? Really? Do you mean that I should use a separate > package management system for Mailman3? That really sucks. [...] I'm sure packages from any distribution are fine, but if you're using distro packaged software then your distribution is your first line of support because upstream developers don't know what changes have been made downstream by every distribution's package maintainers. If you need assistance with Debian's packaged software, the debian-user mailing list[*] is generally your first line of support. If you believe you've found a bug in the software, file it in the Debian BTS[**] and the package maintainer can determine if it's specific to Debian's version of the software or not. If the problem is not Debian-specific, the package maintainer should then forward the bug upstream for further action. [*] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ [**] https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting -- Jeremy Stanley

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderator e-mails only going out once a day

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Joe, It may help to have more information about what your system is like. Specifically: 1. Did you install Mailman from our source distribution, from PyPI, or from some other source? 2. Did you install Mailman in its own virtual environment? 3. When you run 'mailman info', does the output make sense? Especially, is the configuration file (mailman.cfg) in the directory (usually /etc/mailman3) you expect? 4. How do you control the Mailman processes? Using systemd's systemctl utility, SysV init scripts, or the 'mailman' and 'mailman-web' utilities? If you are not using the systemd or init utilities, what is the current directory when you start or restart Mailman? 5. Is the virgin runner running? (ps aux | grep virgin) Are there messages stuck in queue/virgin or elsewhere in queue/*? Especially queue/shunt and queue/bad. As long as I'm asking, may as well check these as well: 6. What versions of Mailman applications (mailman, Postorius, HyperKitty, mailmanclient, django-mailman3) are installed? 7. What version of Python are you running Mailman under? 8. What is the operating system?

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: A little stuck with installation of MM3 - ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'flufl.lock'

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sun, 26 Jul 2020 at 18:48, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 7/26/20 3:15 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > There is still some confusion on my part about the directives in the file > > so allow me to seek some clarifications. > > > > The following are the contents of a file I have created and placed in my > > Apache Includes/ directory. > > I was hoping that with it, I can now access http://lists.my.server/mm3 > and > > get the UI. > > > > <CUT> > > > > # Global section > > WSGIDaemonProcess mailman-web display-name=mailman-web > > maximum-requests=1000 umask=0002 user=mailman3 \ > > group=mailman3 > > > python-path=/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages:/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7 > > \ > > python-home=/opt/mailman/mm/venv home=/opt/mailman/mm/var > > WSGIRestrictSignal Off > > > > <VirtualHost *:80> > > ServerName lists.my.server > > ServerAdmin odhiambo(a)gmail.com > > > > # (I'm not sure that WSGIRestrictSignal Off is required, but it was in > the > > # provided example so I kept it. I also made changes to WSGIDaemonProcess > > # based on my own mod_wsgi experience elsewhere.) > > > > ErrorLog /var/log/myserver-error.log > > LogLevel debug > > > > # This goes in the VirtualHost block for the domain. > > > > # Mailman 3 stuff > > Alias /static "/var/spool/mailman-web/static" *<----- Where is this > > directory supposed to be and what/who creates it and with what > permissions?* > > > It is created/updated by the mailman-post-update script based on CONFDIR > and STATIC_DIR. > The fact that I have run the mailman-post-update script and these directories aren't created means there is a problem in my setup, yes? > > <Directory "/var/spool/mailman-web/static"> > > With the settings in the sample, the above should be > > <Directory "/opt/mailman/mm/static"> > > and the alias > > Alias /static "/opt/mailman/mm/static" > > Clearly > < > https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience?action=At… > > > doesn't match some other files. I'll review abd update that. > Okay. I am anxiously waiting. > > > Require all granted > > </Directory> > > WSGIScriptAlias /mm3 /opt/mailman/mm/wsgi.py > > <Directory "/opt/mailman/mm/"> > > <Files wsgi.py> > > Order deny,allow > > Allow from all > > Require all granted > > </Files> > > WSGIProcessGroup mailman-web > > </Directory> > > </VirtualHost> > > > > </CUT-HERE> > > > > I end up with an "Internal server error" and from the error log I see: > > > ... > > [Sun Jul 26 12:04:44.093265 2020] [wsgi:error] [pid 6444] [remote > > 197.232.81.246:53383] ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'settings' > > > Django is trying to import your settings.py file and can't find it. Is > it at /opt/mailman/mm/settings.py and also local settings at > /opt/mailman/mm/settings_local.py? Yes, I have these files: (venv) [root@gw /opt/mailman/mm]# ls -al /opt/mailman/mm/settings* -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman3 wheel 15518 Jul 25 14:34 /opt/mailman/mm/settings.py -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman3 wheel 15773 Jul 26 10:33 /opt/mailman/mm/settings_local.py PS: I made my /opt/mailman to be owned by mailman3:wheel because of a confusion with the instructions at some point in the reading of some documentation previously (in my previous attempt last year!) and had noted that in my NOTES. I'll change this once things get clear for me. Also, the fact that one of the init scripts <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience?action=At…> in your "reflection" page was calling sudo :) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-)

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: no mails to list members

by Thomas Stein

On 04.01.19 15:55, Abhijith PA via Mailman-users wrote: > > > On Friday 04 January 2019 08:19 PM, Thomas Stein wrote: >> On 04.01.19 09:40, Thomas Stein wrote: >>> >>> Turns out mailman was not able to read a specific template. That seemed to be enough to throw an exception. Maybe >>> i missed something else but after adjusting the permissions of that template everything worked as expected. >> >> While we`re at it. Is /var/lib/mailman3/templates/lists/$listname the right location for customized templates? Should >> I name the template list:member:generic:footer.txt or list_member_generic_footer.txt? Is there some documentation >> what variables i can put in those templates? > > If you are using 3.2.0, you can do that from webapp itself. [ I haven't > tried though] Running 3.1.1 right now. 3.2.0 isn`t in the ubuntu repo yet afaik. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mailman3 thanks and cheers t. > > --a > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

7 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: xapian db corruption - xapian.DatabaseCorruptError: Couldn't read enough (EOF) ??

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 9:35 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 7/29/24 03:27, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > > Today, my hourly cron job has generated an error and continues to do so > > every hour: > > > > ``` > > Subject: Cron <mailman@gw> /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin runjobs > hourly > > ``` > > > > Not sure what caused this. Perhaps a reboot when the cronjob hadn't > > completed? And a possible manual remedy would be to wipe the indexed db > and > > let the cron run again? > > > Or maybe just run `/opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin rebuild_index Nice to know. I just deleted the contents of the xapian_index folder and then ran the cronjob. Solved. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: User cannot reset password

by Greg Newby

On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 11:10 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 8/11/24 10:56, Greg Newby wrote: > > I imported MM2.1 lists to Mailman3 (using import21 - details are in my > > previous messages to mailman-users), and have had a couple of reports of > > people for whom the password reset function via "Forgot password" on the > > list login screen doesn't work as expected. > > > Django (web) accounts (Postorius and HyperKitty) are separate from > Mailman core. Users inported from MM 2.1 do not have web accounts. They > have to sign up, not request a password reset. > 1. Will the new (Django) and imported (Postorius) usernames automatically be matched to the same email address? The goal is for someone to use the web-based front end to manage their migrated subscriptions. 2. How can I customize the email that went to users who selected "Forgot password?" ( You are receiving this email because you, or someone else, tried to access an account with email I didn't find that string in the source code. Thanks as always! ~ Greg

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Setup Question: Disk-Layout (Migrating from Mailman 2.1)

by Mihai Moldovan

* On 4/17/25 18:47, German Rodriguez wrote: > I wondered about the difference of the two archivers (prototype/hyperkitty) and whether both should be enabled. > > Mark explains here that the prototype archiver is for storing the raw email message, whereas HyperKitty only stores select information. > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… Interesting. I probably want the prototype archiver enabled, even if that means duplicating most of the archives and doubling the amount of data stored. I was not aware that Hyperkitty doesn't store all information. I'd like to have all information archived (in order to be able to restore it again, if need be), even if they aren't published. Now... is there a way to import mbox files into the prototype archiver? Looking around, I haven't found anything mentioning this. Since it's just using the Maildir format, I guess I could find a tool that unpacks messages from an mbox to a Maildir destination and get that done, but if mailman has some command to do that, it would be even better. Mihai

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Request for help with configuring "from" headers in mailman3 list

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/6/22 12:52 PM, Stephen Daniel wrote: > > Sendgrid requires that the "From:" address on any email reference an > authenticated domain. > > In the old mailman2 implementation, emails sent by mailman are listed as > > From: <human name via LISTNAME> LISTNAME(a)LISTDOMAIN.org > > Reply-to: <human name> sender(a)senderdomain.com (the original email's sender) > > Sendgrid would be happy with this, because LISTDOMAIN.org is a > validated domain. > > However, in my mailman3 implementation, the From: header lists the original > email's sender. Sendgrid rejects this because the original email's > sender's address is not one of the validated domains. > > How do I configure mailman3 to generate headers in the same style as the > old mailman2 implementation? In the list's Settings -> DMARC mitigations, set DMARC mitigation action to Rrplace From: with list address and DMARC Mitigate unconditionally to Yes. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Lost posting in archives

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/21/22 3:06 PM, Axel Rau wrote: > I created a list, did migration from 2.1 and run update_index_one_list. > Then I posted a test mail to the list and it got distributed and was seen in the archive. > Now 2 days later it does no longer show up in the archive. > > What is going on here? > May this have to do with > HYPERKITTY_RENDER_INLINE_IMAGE > which I have turned on meanwhile. It may. Is there anything in Django's log about this? If you have the original message from the list, can you go to the URL in the Archived-At: header? is the message in the hyperkitty_email table in the database? E.g., SELECT * FROM hyperkitty_email WHERE message_id_hash ='xxx'; (xxx is the value of the Message-ID-Hash: header from the message) If the prototype archiver is enabled for the list, the message should be in Mailman's var/archives/prototype/list(a)example.com/new directory and that message will have the Archived-At: and Message-ID-Hash: headers. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM2 -> MM3 Migration: listinfo page

by Jeremy Stanley

On 2023-03-09 13:49:09 +0300 (+0300), Odhiambo Washington wrote: [...] > I'd rather not touch the MM2.1 domain because references have been made to > it in publications. > What I am struggling with is the listinfo.html file: > ``` > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > ``` > I am struggling to add reference to the MM3 subscription link user the > " Subscribe to KICTANet by filling out the following form:" > The HTML code to insert there beats me :) Redirecting the listinfo pages to your Postorius interface should be sufficient to keep those URLs which are referred to in publications working. We do basically the same thing Mark mentioned, for the reasons you say you don't want to: https://opendev.org/opendev/system-config/src/commit/ae7884a/playbooks/role… If someone follows a link to the old MM2 https://lists.opendev.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/service-discuss URL they get redirected to https://lists.opendev.org/mailman3/lists/service-discuss.lists.opendev.org/ so that there's no risk they'll try to use the old MM2 subscription form. -- Jeremy Stanley

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM2.1 -> MM3.3 migration. To hold or not hold

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/18/24 04:12, mark(a)suburbia.org.au wrote: > > For the list I am talking about: > - Default action to take when a member posts to the list is set to "Hold for moderation" > - Default action to take when a non-member posts to the list is set to "Hold for moderation" > - When I am viewing all users, the migrated ones are set to Moderation Action: "Hold for moderation". The mass-added ones post-migration are set to Moderation Action: "None" > - When a mass-added post-migration user sent an email to the list it passed through without being held. This should not happen. In the message as delivered to the list what do you see in the X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: header and the X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: header if any? > Happy to check any logs if there might be something to hunt for. What if anything is in the lists Accept these non-members setting? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postfix + MariaDB + Mailman 3 Core

by Peter Knowles

Steve, I'm referring to Postfix specific records, not Mailman records which are not the topic of conversation here. Presently, Mailman creates two files under "/opt/mailman/mm/var/data"... "postfix_lmtp" which is a "transport_maps" table "postfix_domains" which is a "relay_domains" table The instructions in the docs says to set these up as "hash" table entries in Postfix so that when they're updated by MM Postfix references get updated accordingly. What I'm doing is, converting the "hash tables" to MariaDB tables stored in a Postfix specific database. Two primary objectives are intended with this updated architecture design... 1. allow management of Postfix tables through my web UI 2. Offer future scalability whereby the database for MM and Postfix amongst other things may get placed on a separate node, and/or setup in a Master-Master mirror cluster. *** On a segway, but related to the overall goal... I'm adding OpenDKIM management into my admin UI, which also is tied to a MariaDB database for key signing tasks and management. For the same reasons above, this is why I'm moving from files to databases. ***

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: configuring postfix local recipient table

by Alexander Inzinger-Zrock

Am 28.04.25 um 16:27 schrieb Stephen J. Turnbull: > Alexander Inzinger-Zrock via Mailman-users writes: > > > + also checked that command ''postmap'' (under /usr/sbin) is available > > for user 'mailman' (usr/sbin was not in path; it is now). > > This should not matter since the full path is in postfix.cfg, so > Mailman should find it and run it unless there is some permissions > problem or the executable itself is broken, regardless of PATH. > > You've probably run all these pretty recently, but if you've made any > changes since then: > > What is the output of the "mailman lists" command? (expect the test > list with domain) 2 matching mailing lists found: testliste01@MY_DOMAIN testliste02(a)my-example.com + MY_DOMAIN - replaced my domain by MY_DOMAIN + second was a test domain, created via postorius to check if i mesed up with the first one - no differences > What is the output of the "mailman aliases" command? (expect none) Indeed, none. > After "mailman aliases" do you get aliases in the postfix_lmtp file? > No.

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Rafael Mora

Installing mailman-suite for web ui. I did this: (env) [mailman@localhost ~]$ git clone https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/ Cloning into 'mailman-suite'... error: RPC failed; result=22, HTTP code = 404 fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly but it returned an error, what should I do?? Thanks El vie., 21 jul. 2017 a las 13:02, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) escribió: > On 07/21/2017 10:29 AM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > Can we modify the docs? > > > > El vie., 21 jul. 2017 a las 12:25, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) > > escribió: > >> > >> However, that said, the doc is wrong. The lines should be added to > >> main.cf, not master.cf. See > >> <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite-doc/issues/14>. > > > That's what the above issue and associated MR are for. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

8 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: captcha for subscription and account registration forms

by Johannes Rohr

Hi, just for your information, these are the steps I used to set up anubis to protect mailman: https://cloud.uferwerk.org/s/a7nWGAjasrQpfSM The md file has been written by claude, but as far as I see, it those steps I did (also guided by claude) So far, no more incoming subscription spam... Johannes Am 01.05.26 um 12:27 schrieb Johannes Rohr via Mailman-users: > > Am 01.05.26 um 01:23 schrieb Peter Chubb via Mailman-users: >> We haven't used it on Mailman, but Anubis has helped with signup spam >> on our Mattermost server. >> https://github.com/TecharoHQ/anubis > > Testing anubis right now. So far, it seems to do a good job. Hope it > stays this way! > > Also the effort in configuring this setup was surprisingly limited. :-) > > Johannes > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to johannes(a)rohr.org

1 month, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Weird response to postings after subscriptions and accounts

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/17/19 6:39 PM, paul(a)arenson.org wrote: > > A) Thoughts before summarizing tests. > 1) I had originally thought of making archives only for subscribers to give them the benefit of posting from the archives directly and being able to find stuff more like a forum (email is always hard to follow). Anyone logged in to an account can post from Hyperkitty. Their post is treated the same as if they posted by email. > 2) But in retrospect it seems people can get an idea what the list is about from free access. So that is now what I have. OK > 3) On the other hand, it is a bit confusing that a non member can post from the archives without realizing that they need to register, with my settings I can moderate and decide if I want to add him or her to the list based on whether that is spam or not. So ok. A non-member is a non-member. A post from a non-member is handled according to "Default action to take when a non-member posts to the list" unless that non-member has a Moderation action other than List Default. > B) THE TESTS > I was testing too many variables so, to simplify things, I made my settings as follows > > 1) Subscription—> Confirm > > 2) Message Acceptance—> Default processing (so only members may post) > > 3) Testing Procesure > I added people three ways—> To do that I created 3 unique addresses to see if they can send and receive by email. > > > 3a) subscribe without creating an account—from here (bottom) https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/postorius/lists/discuss.list.tokyoprogres… > > 3b) Subscription / Unsubscription from same page, navigate to Login and again navigate to signup > Comment 1: Confusing because even after creating an account, they are not subscribed to the list. Maybe it makes sense if a person has many lists, but I only have this one. It does not say clearly that one has to subscribe after creating an account. I understand it's not totally explicit, but it says "To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list, please log in first. If you have not previously logged in, you may need to set up an account with the appropriate email address." To me the implication is once you have created an account, you have to come back, log in and subscribe. What do you want it to say? > Comment 2: The other thing is that it does not show my domain but that of mailman3.emwd.com <http://mailman3.emwd.com/>. Talk to Brian (emwd) > 3c) Mass Subscribe by me. Which is what I intend for my 600 users from another list company. > Comment This worked fine. > > > C) Summary > 1) I have been thinking of having an account as a good way to get users used to using the archives as a way to confirm current and past topics (as opposed to keeping track by email. But it seems I need to tell them to BOTH subscribe AND create an account. Am I thinking about it the wrong way? That's correct. They need an account and they need to subscribe that account to the list. > 2) When a person wants to unsubscribe, they go to discuss-request(a)list.tokyoprogressive.org <mailto:discuss-request@list.tokyoprogressive.org> with subject bline help. > > a) Isn’t there a better way to unsubscribe by email? email to discuss-leave(a)list.tokyoprogressive.org (or discuss-unsubscribe(a)list.tokyoprogressive.org) Or you can login, go to https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/postorius/lists/discuss.list.tokyoprogres… and click the big red unsubscribe button. > b) And how about a way to remove their account itself? Log in and click the dropdown at the upper right, select Account and click the Delete Account tab or go directly to https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/user-profile/ and click the Delete Account tab or go directly to https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/user-profile/delete -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Show number of subscribers

by Stephen J. Turnbull

andrew.bernard(a)gmail.com writes: > Would there be a way to show the number of subscribers to a list in > the web UI? Currently the answer evidently is no. I'm not sure why Mark is pessimistic (except that I don't see hordes of list owners breaking down our doors for this feature), because I don't see why it couldn't be added. HyperKitty already imports mailmanclient, so it can query the list. If you want to pursue this, you should file an RFE in the tracker, but I won't promise it will be very high priority, and it does mean closer integration with core than we've had so far, so there might be some unease from the developers. (I don't see why there would be an issue, except for the slight increase in maintenance burden.) On the other hand, we do have a bunch of students and others interested who were attracted by Summer of Code and Season of Docs, and one of them might find this an interesting task. It's not an introductory project, but it looks straightforward to me, with well-defined requirements. Steve

6 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Uncaught runner exception

by Wolfgang Bock

Yes, and I made all the tests as discribed here: https://workaround.org/ispmail/buster/relaying-through-postfix/ including the swaks test mentioned before output of sudo netstat -lntup | grep ":25" tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 20660/master tcp6 0 0 :::25 :::* LISTEN 20660/master output of sudo lsof -i :25 COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME master 20660 root 13u IPv4 1474228 0t0 TCP *:smtp (LISTEN) master 20660 root 14u IPv6 1474229 0t0 TCP *:smtp (LISTEN) Regards Wolfgang -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. April 2020 21:28 An: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Betreff: [MM3-users] Re: Uncaught runner exception On 4/7/20 3:22 AM, Wolfgang Bock via Mailman-users wrote: > Apr 07 12:09:21 2020 (28206) Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost > on port 25 > > I have no idea what to do for solving my problems. Can you successfully telnet localhost 25 from a shell on the server? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Message of the day

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Henrik Rasmussen writes: > Are there any way of displaying a "Mesage of the day" to the users > of Postorius and Hyperkitty? Not built in to those applications. However, you could easily alter a template, possibly the base template, to include a file would contain your message with appropriate formatting. Django has a conditional include feature so you wouldn't get an error and no glitch in the display if the file weren't present. Extensions to the idea would include putting the formatting in CSS (sort of pointless by itself) and adding Django code to check whether the user's previous login was before the MOTD was changed (and then the CSS could be used to hide the message in case they had logged in recently, and presumably already saw it). It wouldn't be hard to add a MOTD table to Django, and then you could display all messages more recent than previous login. I'm not interested in doing this myself but would be willing to help a volunteer write the code and get it committed (subject to Steering Committee consensus, but I don't see why not). Steve

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman issues after re-boot

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 5:49 PM Paul Rubin <paulrubin37(a)gmail.com> wrote: > *<< I sent this to the mailman3 issues on gitlab and Mark replied but asked > me to move to this list, so I copied everything and inserted responses. I > hope this makes sense and someone can help me.>>* > > After a lengthy power failure I had to reboot a machine that has been > running for several years. the WEB-UI does not seem to be able to see > mailman-core. I have looked for log entries that might explain what the > issue is and I am stumped to even find logs that will update when I get an > error on the browser. Mailman is definitely running, postgres is running > and mailman web is running. if I go to the lists page I see lists, if I try > to access a specific list I get Server error: An error occurred while > processing your request. > > I looked in /var/logs/mailman /opt/mailman/web/mailmanweb > > All I can find is: > > django.urls.exceptions.NoReverseMatch: Reverse for > 'list_unsubscription_requests' not found. > 'list_unsubscription_requests' is not a valid view function or pattern > name.16688 ERROR 2023-09-12 13:56:58,430 1760 django.request Internal > Server Error: /mailman3/lists/goodstein.goodstein.org/ File > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/haystack/admin.py", > line 8, in <module> from django.utils.translation import > ungettextImportError: cannot import name 'ungettext' from > 'django.utils.translation' > > (/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/translation/__init__.py) > > Also I have to run mailman from "mailman start" because the systemctl > returns this: > > ● mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded > (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; vendor preset: > disabled) Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Tue 2023-09-12 > 10:06:31 EDT; 13s ago Process: 31159 > ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, > status=1/FAILURE) CPU: 806msSep 12 10:06:31 mail > mailman[31159]: Error in atexit._run_exitfuncs:Sep 12 10:06:31 mail > mailman[31159]: Traceback (most recent call last):Sep 12 10:06:31 mail > mailman[31159]: File "/usr/lib64/python3.8/logging/__init__.py", > line 2126, in shutdownSep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: > h.flush()Sep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: File > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/core/logging.py", > line 67, in flushSep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: if > self._stream:Sep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: AttributeError: > 'ReopenableFileHandler' object has no attribute '_stream'Sep 12 > 10:06:31 mail systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, > code=exited, status=1/FAILURESep 12 10:06:31 mail systemd[1]: > mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.Sep 12 10:06:31 mail > systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. > > Please tell me where to start looking or adjusting. > > > Reply from Mark Sapiro,* Edited to include responses:* > > Mark Sapiro <https://gitlab.com/msapiro>@msapiro > <https://gitlab.com/msapiro>· 1 day ago > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-web/-/issues/23#note_1557601916> > Owner > Add reaction > More actions > > The mailman-users(a)mailman3.org list is probably a more appropriate place > for issues like this. > > django.urls.exceptions.NoReverseMatch: Reverse for > 'list_unsubscription_requests' not found. 'list_unsubscription_requests' is > not a valid view function or pattern name. 16688 ERROR 2023-09-12 > 13:56:58,430 1760 django.request Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/ > goodstein.goodstein.org/ > > /opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/postorius/urls.py should > contain > > re_path( r'^unsubscription_requests$', > list_views.list_unsubscription_requests, > name='list_unsubscription_requests', ), > > Y > > *Yes this exists* > > and /opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/postorius/views/list.py > should define list_unsubscription_requests. > > *Yes there is a method by this name defined* > > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/haystack/admin.py", > line 8, in from django.utils.translation import ungettext ImportError: > cannot import name 'ungettext' from 'django.utils.translation' > (/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/translation/ > *init*.py) > > See > > https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.2/internals/deprecation/#deprecation-re… > - > ungettext() is removed from django>=4.0 > > Sep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: AttributeError: > 'ReopenableFileHandler' object has no attribute '_stream' > > I don't understand this one offhand, but what is the content of > /etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service, in particular the settings for User, > Group and ExecStart? > > *The service looks right:* > > 1 [Unit] > 2 Description=GNU Mailing List Manager > 3 After=syslog.target network.target postgresql.service > 4 > 5 [Service] > 6 Type=forking > 7 PIDFile=/opt/mailman/mm/var/master.pid > 8 User=mailman > 9 Group=mailman > 10 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start > 11 ExecReload=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman restart > 12 ExecStop=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman stop > 13 > 14 [Install] > 15 WantedBy=multi-user.target > > *It seems I may have two versions of the mailman script:* > > mail:/opt/mailman # which mailman > /usr/bin/mailman > mail:/opt/mailman # ls -al /usr/bin/mailman > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 382 May 10 2021 /usr/bin/mailman > mail:/opt/mailman # ls -al /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman > -rwxr-xr-x 1 mailman mailman 231 Sep 12 10:02 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman > > Somehow, your installation is corrupted. I don't know how > > *I need to know what to remove, how to correctly update, etc., That said > the two scripts appear to be very similar:* > > mail:/opt/mailman # head /usr/bin/mailman > > #!/usr/bin/python3 > # EASY-INSTALL-ENTRY-SCRIPT: 'mailman==3.3.4','console_scripts','mailman' > __requires__ = 'mailman==3.3.4' > import re > import sys > from pkg_resources import load_entry_point > > if __name__ == '__main__': > sys.argv[0] = re.sub(r'(-script\.pyw?|\.exe)?$', '', sys.argv[0]) > sys.exit( > > > mail:/opt/mailman # head /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman > #!/opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 > # -*- coding: utf-8 -*- > import re > import sys > from mailman.bin.mailman import main > if __name__ == '__main__': > sys.argv[0] = re.sub(r'(-script\.pyw|\.exe)?$', '', sys.argv[0]) > sys.exit(main()) > mail:/opt/mailman # > > *Given the two years since the last reboot I also tried following * > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/upgrade-guide.html *to make sure I was > running the latest* > > pip install -U mailman postorius django-mailman3 hyperkitty mailman-web > Why don't you try and do a fresh virtualenv install and move your configs into it? 1. cd /opt 2. mv mailman _mailman.BAK 3. Create a backup of the database. Then follow this: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst…, but do not create the database as it already exists. You also do not need to run any database migrations, so you can actually skip those You just need to ensure that `mailman info` says that its configuration files are in /etc/mailman3/ Create the necessary directories as per the above installation instructions. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: required cron entries?

by Andreas Barth

* Stephen J. Turnbull (turnbull.stephen.fw(a)u.tsukuba.ac.jp) [210101 03:49]: > Andreas Barth writes: > > > as I found some mails in queue/shunt, I thought who should be running > > them. > > Mark covered this quite completely, but I do have one remark. In my > experience, most shunted emails are spam (that's *not* how we normally > handle spam, it's just that spam is far more likely to be sufficiently > malformed to cause an uncaught exception than legit mail). You can > just delete the corresponding .pck. Thanks to you both. In my case, this was however Uncaught runner exception: (raised as a result of Query-invoked autoflush; consider using a session.no_autoflush block if this flush is occurring prematurely) (sqlite3.OperationalError) database is locked [SQL: 'UPDATE mailinglist SET last_post_at=?, post_id=? WHERE mailinglist.id = ?'] [parameters: ('2020-12-23 10:18:41.030593', 10, 11)] (Background on this error at: http://sqlalche.me/e/e3q8 The 'fix' for that was turning it off and on again (i.e. rebooting the VM), but now I have a few messages around. (Perhaps I should also migrate to a real database, but that's a different problem) Andi

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Login confusion

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/11/25 01:26, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > That will work in the short run, but I'm not sure that's a long-term > solution. It's not clear to me that allauth won't do the same thing > again. Allauth since 0.62.0 and better since 0.63.0 no longer does this. See https://codeberg.org/allauth/django-allauth/src/branch/main/ChangeLog.rst#s… > > Could I have achieved the same deletion using the REST interface? > > I don't know. I would think not. That's correct. The issue is in the account_emailaddress database table which is an allauth table that Mailman core and hence the REST api know nothing about. Our latest recommendation is django-allauth>=65.4, but that requires changes, see https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/merge_requests/316 and https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-web/-/merge_requests/58 although the changes only affect testing and a deprecation warning. Also, installing that django-allauth version may result in upgrading Django to a version which doesn't support django-haystack<3.3.0 and may also require manually upgrading django-haystack. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Website 404 error

by Stephen J. Turnbull

peter(a)pi4cc.nl writes: > I'm running Debian 12 with the latest version and installed > mailman3 via apt install-mailman3-full. Assuming you have done no configuration "by hand", this is almost certainly a Debian issue. You should report it to them. > When I first access the website domain.nl/mailman3, it's redirected > to domain.nl/mailman/postorius/lists/, resulting in a 404 error The initial redirect is done by your webserver, not by Mailman. I have no good idea why the result changes if you do it twice.[1] In Apache, this is likely in a file in /etc/apache2/sites-available/. In nginx, similarly /etc/nginx/sites-available/. The file's name is likely to be either something like "debian-default.conf" or "mailman3.conf" for either of those popular webservers. Footnotes: [1] The only thing I can think of is that in one case you accessed domain.nl/mailman3, and in the other domain.nl/mailman3/ (difference is the trailing "/"), and there are separate redirects for the two URLs for some reason. -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

10 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty.lib.utils Failed to update the fulltext index

by Abhilash Raj

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Ben Harris wrote: > April 17, 2019 11:03 AM, "Abhilash Raj" <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> wrote: > > > > Which version of Hyperkitty are you using? > > > > Did you upgrade the version of Hyperkitty when you migrated to the > > new host? > > I'm using the mailman3-full package in ubuntu (i'm aware it's behind a couple > releases), so it's hyperkitty 1.1.4. > > I didn't upgrade anything with the move. I am not sure where does Debian packaged version store it's fulltext index, but I am assuming the move somehow makes Hyperkitty not be able to read the index. Can you try removing and re-building the entire index? I don't know again the right command for Django there, but the hyperkitty command you want to run is called `rebuild_index`. For source package, something like: $ python manage.py rebuild_index Do note that this will take a lot of time if you have a big archive. > > Thanks, > Ben > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

7 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: How to separate bans for sending emails to lists and subscribing to them

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/29/19 9:29 AM, Nathan Dixon wrote: > Hi, > Our requirements for using Mailman are that we can have non-members send an > email to a list from any domain name, but only people who's email addresses > match a list of specific domains should be able to actually subscribe to > those lists. > > I can't seem to find any way of doing this. Any ideas? > > I have tried using the bans (global and on each list) but these appear to > stop all subscriptions and emails being sent to or from a list if the > address matches a ban. Right. The default posting rules chain includes 'banned-address' which discards posts from banned addresses. You can work around this by creating a new chain based on mailman/chains/builtin.py but without the 'banned-address' rule and setting the list's posting_chain to use it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years

[MM3-users] Re: Apache+mod_wsgi issue

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/26/22 07:08, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > So it seems your WSGIDaemonProcess is defined somewhere outside the VHOST, > right? Or it wasn't necessary? > And what does your urls.py look like? Eggert's configuration is for uWSGI. This is completely different from Apache mod_wsgi. Background: Python PEP 333 defines the Python Web Server Gateway Interface (WSGI) which is a protocol for communication between web servers and applications. Django is one such WSGI application. Basic web servers typically do not support WSGI directly but need some kind of intermediary. Apache mod_wsgi is an Apache module that extends Apache to communicate with WSGI applications. Both uWSGI and gunicorn are separate applications that can receive http requests via proxy from a web server and communicate them to a WSGI application and receive responses from the application and return them to the web server. Thus Apache mod_wsgi, uWSGI ang gunicorn are three separate ways of providing the connection between the web server and Django (or other WSGI applications), each with their own separate configuration requirements. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Archive search failing on one list

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/23/23 19:19, Mark wrote: > > Yes, the query returns a result and the case in "name" matches that in > the query ... > > select * from hyperkitty_mailinglist where name like 'listname(a)domain.com' > > id | 91 > name | listname(a)domain.com > display_name | Listname > description | ... > subject_prefix | [Listname] > archive_policy | 1 > created_at | 2023-09-21 08:55:36.385239+2 > list_id | listname(a)domain.com Is that really what you get for list_id? It should have a dot, not at as listname.domain.com. What if you do something like the following where django-admin is whatever command you use for the Django admin command. ``` $ django-admin shell Python 3.9.16 (main, Dec 11 2022, 12:49:23) [GCC 9.4.0] on linux Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. (InteractiveConsole) >>> from hyperkitty.models.mailinglist import MailingList >>> mlist_name = 'listname(a)domain.com' >>> mlist = MailingList.objects.get(name=mlist_name) >>> mlist <MailingList listname(a)domain.com (listname.domain.com)> >>> ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: config incoming email in my domain cpanel

by Rafael Mora

El jue., 3 ago. 2017 a las 15:49, tlhackque via Mailman-users (< mailman-users(a)mailman3.org>) escribió: > I think you're confused. > > You already have mail.labbrands.com set up as the MX record for > labbrands.com. And it has an A record with the same address as your > webserver. > I'm working with the hostgator mailserver, we are not running a local mailserver. As suggested I added an A record like this: [image: image.png] Is it correct? is it redirecting to my Ip so I can redirect it to my postfix/mm3 server? > > So if you're getting e-mail on that domain, there's another e-mail > server running on that IP address. You can't have 2 servers on port > 25. In that case, as has been noted before, you'll need to setup a > relay in that server, not a firewall redirect. Depending on your MTA, > you would need to relay to your internal server. And make sure your > firewall setup allows your MTA to do this. > > We can see it's EXIM: > > telnet mail.labbrands.com 25 > Trying 192.185.51.89... > Connected to mail.labbrands.com (192.185.51.89). > Escape character is '^]'. > help > 220-gator4137.hostgator.com ESMTP Exim 4.87 #1 Thu, 03 Aug 2017 15:47:48 > -0500 > 220-We do not authorize the use of this system to transport unsolicited, > 220 and/or bulk e-mail. > 214-Commands supported: > 214 AUTH STARTTLS HELO EHLO MAIL RCPT DATA NOOP QUIT RSET HELP > quit > 221 gator4137.hostgator.com closing connection > Connection closed by foreign host. > > Or, consolidate all your e-mail to one server - which is a lot easier to > manage unless you have a really big operation. Postfix is probably the > right choice, but requires more setup. > > Although Mailman3 configuration is not well documented (as you've > discovered), you may want to get help from someone with more general > network and mail experience. You're now into territory that is, as > Simon indicated, not Mailman-specific. > > On 03-Aug-17 16:28, Rafael Mora wrote: > > El jue., 3 ago. 2017 a las 15:26, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) > escribió: > > > >> On 08/03/2017 01:22 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: > >>> El jue., 3 ago. 2017 a las 15:18, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) > >> escribió: > >>>> You need to forward port 25 for SMTP mail delivery and if you want the > >>>> web UI (Postorius and HyperKitty) accessible from the outside, port 80 > >>>> for http and/or port 443 for https > >>>> < > >>>> > >> > https://www.iana.org/assignments/service-names-port-numbers/service-names-p… > >>>>> . > >>> I mean for incoming mail redirected from my hostgator hosting, because > >> when > >>> I suscribe an email address MM3 sends a confirmation email, so I have > to > >>> reply to be suscribed to the list. > >> > >> As I said, for mail delivery you need to forward port 25 to the Mailman > >> server. > >> > > Ok so I'll redirect in my zentyal firewall the port 25 to my local > centos7 > > with postfix and MM3 with IP 192.168.1.42. Thanks Mark. > > > > > >> > >> -- > >> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > >> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Mailman-users mailing list > >> mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > >> > > -- > This communication may not represent my employer's views, > if any, on the matters discussed. > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

8 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Reject with notification not working

by Stephen J. Turnbull

MegaBrutal via Mailman-users writes: > I get different errors depending on whether I define > the list:user:notice:rejected template. > > When the template is not defined: > > Mar 26 01:48:02 2026 (28606) Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' codec can't > encode character '\xed' in position 21: ordinal not in range(128) The 21st byte of the stock version of the template is interpolated from $listname. It appears to either be (Latin1) LOWERCASE LETTER I WITH ACUTE or the leading byte of a 3-byte UTF-8 character (that appears to be a private use block). The 'ascii' codec for English is a legacy misfeature. We should be able to use UTF-8 but this can have bad effects on some systems. You can try to use UTF-8 instead by adding [language.en] charset: utf-8 > And this is what happens when I define the template: How did you define the template? In the file system, or via Postorius? I'm guessing Postorius because of the "port=8000" and the "/mailman3/api/..." path, but please confirm. > Mar 26 01:35:55 2026 (28606) Uncaught runner exception: > HTTPConnectionPool(host='localhost', port=8000): Max retries exceeded with > url: /mailman3/api/templates/list/ > hirlevel.lista.autistaktol.hu/list:user:notice:rejected (Caused by > NewConnectionError('<urllib3.connection.HTTPConnection object at > 0xf46e5910>: Failed to establish a new connection: [Errno 111] Connection > refused')) I don't understand this error. The ultimate reason that Mailman core is looking for a template via HTTP at Postorius is that core and the management UI may not be able to access a common file system. So Postorius puts it somewhere, and provides a callback to core to access it. On the Postorius side that is set in settings.py, like this: POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://localhost:8000' Each template that is set via Postorius gets an URI starting with that scheme and authority. I think that Postorius then uses the core REST API to send that URI to Mailman core which stores it in the database. However, I don't understand why connection would be refused, unless Postorius (uswgi) is not running. > I have so many questions... > > 1. What is it about the ASCII encoding? "ordinal not in > range(128)"? What do we even do with ASCII in 2026? I tried > to send a message that only contains ASCII characters, but > the result was the same, so it's probably not in the e-mail > contents. See above. I didn't check thoroughly but I think that for modern Mailman, every language except US English uses UTF-8. > 2. I configured uwsgi to listen on 127.8.0.1:8000, practically > because I didn't want to litter the main 127.0.0.1 address > with a plethora of ports. I don't understand what you mean by "litter the address with a plethora of ports". You need to use two separate ports, one for mailman-web's Django (aka uwsgi in your case, usually 8000) and one for Mailman core's REST API (usually 8001). That's all. Not sure why that is a problem. > Why does it ever want to use localhost:8000 for anything? See above about the arm's length relation between core and Postorius in template handling. Undoubtedly somebody was incautious about properly handling configuration, and that's the default buried in the fallback configuration. File a bug (I need to run and pick up my wife at work). Cite this email in it (get the URL from the Archived-At header). > Grepping through the config files, I'm consistent about > 127.8.0.1:8000, where does it get localhost (that is 127.0.0.1) > from? You've outsmarted yourself. Try modifying or adding POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://127.8.0.1:8000' in /etc/mailman3/settings.py (or wherever your primary settings file is). No promises about getting your templates, but that should at least fix your "can't connect" problem. You may have to edit and save the template to get the core side updated, though. -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

2 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: hooking up mailman and sendmail

by Stephen J. Turnbull

John Covici writes: > That post does not answer my question, it applies only to mailman2 Look, John, I understand that you're frustrated because Gentoo doesn't maintain their Mailman 3 package to the point where it's turnkey on your system, but that's not something you can blame on us. What you can do is pay us the respect of assuming we know what we're talking about, and genuinely want you to get your system set up to *your* preferences even though we're not familiar with the OS distro you chose. And you can read our posts to the end, as well as the documentation that various people have put hours into writing. The point of citing the post is that, yes, John, that post already answered your question. No, it did not deal only with Mailman 2. Here's the answer to this question for the third time: > > > For sendmail, see > > > <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h…> Please read it, and if you have any questions after that, we'll try to answer them. Regards,

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: FYI: Django security releases issued: 4.0.6 and 3.2.14

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/8/22 6:34 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > David Newman writes: > > > Interesting -- that does produce two directories with names starting > > with a tilde: > > > > /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/~jango: > > /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/~jango-3.0.14.dist-info: > > I would guess that those are the previous versions before the upgrade, > moved out of the way in case a revert-to-previous was needed. Again, > guessing, they should have been removed by the upgrade process once > the new package was fully installed. Was there an interrupted or > partially successful upgrade in the past? When pip is doing an upgrade of the xyz package, it renames the existing package as ~yz and then ultimately deletes the old ~yz package after successfully installing the new xyz. In this case, the upgrade was aborted because of the Django<3.1 constraint in mailman-web and apparently pip then installed Django<3.1 and left the ~jango* directories behind. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 11 months

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