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[MM3-users] Re: No e-mail distribution after import of archive

by Odhiambo Washington

On Tue, Nov 12, 2024 at 10:34 AM Markus Grandpré < markus.grandpre(a)uni-konstanz.de> wrote: > Dear Mr. Sapiro, > > on our test system we noticed the problem that after importing a mailing > list archive from a Mailman system v2.1 into a Mailman system v3.3.8, > e-mails are no longer distributed via this mailing list. E-mails that > are written to the list find their way into the archive, but they are > not sent to any member of the list. > > Before the archive was imported, writing an e-mail to the list and > distributing this e-mail via the list was not a problem. Unfortunately, > we cannot find any indication of this issue in the log of the mailman > system v3.3.8. Please help us to further analyze and solve this problem, > as we are planning to import 188 archives into our new productive > mailman system v3.3.8 during the next months. > Archives are imported into HyperKitty and should not in any way interfere with Mailman Core. From what I learnt recently, you can even import an archive into HyperKitty without having a ML in Core associated with it. So my starting point would be to look at mailman.log and see what goes in there. I could even up the debugging level if need be. For now, is there anything abnormal in mailman.log or smtp.log? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

8 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty: "incorrect string value" for botched utf-8 encoding

by thoralf

hi Mark, thank you for your answer. On 5/27/20 8:30 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: […] >> (1366, "Incorrect string value: '\\xF0\\x9F\\x99\\x82\\x0AA...' […] >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable […] >> kann halt NIE am mittwoch. viel spass =F0=9F=99=82 […] >> Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable […] >> <div dir=3D=22auto=22>kann halt NIE am mittwoch. viel spass >> =F0=9F=99=82<= > When HyperKitty gets an exception like this in archiving a message, it > queues it in /var/lib/mailman3/archives/hyperkitty/spool and on every > new post, retries the queued messages. This message fails again on retry > and is requeued. > > How would you suggest this be handled more gracefully? the way mailman3 is handling exceptions is totally fine and couldn't possibly be more graceful - i was referring to the error itself: > The underlying issue has been seen before. The basic problem is in MySQL > and MariaDB the encoding is utf8 which only accepts utf8 encodings up to > 3 bytes. It needs to be utf8mb4 to accept characters outside the base plane. okay, i thought that the html part in the offending mail should've been 🙂 and that this was the culprit - thanks for clarifying this. I've checked - database, table and columns were utf8mb4 already, whereas the connection to the db apparently not. Adding 'charset': 'utf8mb4' to the options-dict in the databases-variable in /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py fixed the issue - django passes this on to mysqlclient. case closed :) thank you very much & with kind regards, thoralf.

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderated unsub requests are not provided by mailman3 service

by Joachim Schrod

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 11/29/24 4:47 PM, Joachim Schrod wrote: > > > System information: mailman3 3.3.3; Postorius (mailman3-web) 1.3.4; > > both on Debian 11 (bullseye). > > > > I know that this is out of date; thus a definitive info "this is fixed > > by now" is quite OK for me. (Debian upgrade is planned as the next > > action after getting Mailman3 to work for that use case.) > > Yes, this is fixed. Thanks for the information that it's fixed in Postorius 1.3.6; that information is a great help, it means that I don't need to spend more time on debugging resolved issues. I tried to gather data if an update to Debian 12 (bookworm) would help. But packages.debian.org is not helpful at all, for me. I know that this is beyond the realm of this mailing list, but perhaps someone here has that information and can supply it: Debian 12 (bookworm) package mailman3-web has the version "0+20200530-2.1". This is supposed to be from some source package mailman-suite that is a salsa project that I don't grok at 1st and 2nd sight. Can anybody please provide me with information what versions of mailman3 core and mailman3-web are in this package; i.e., in Debian 12 (bookworm)? Sorry, but I'm not versed enough to understand the information about Debian packages that my search delivers. Cheers, Joachim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Joachim Schrod Email: joachim(a)schrod.org Roedermark, Germany ``How do we persuade new users that spreading fonts across the page like peanut butter across hot toast is not necessarily the route to typographic excellence?'' -- Peter Flynn

8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Handling of (un)subscribe mails for already (un)subscribed users

by Andreas Barth

* Mark Sapiro (mark(a)msapiro.net) [201210 22:51]: > On 12/10/20 11:51 AM, Andreas Barth wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I noticed that a mail to -subscribe for an already subscribed user > > doesn't get any response (about line 225 in > > mailman/src/mailman/app/subscriptions.py). Same but different for > > unsubscribe for users not on the list. > > > I tested and I see this, so there is a bug, but I don't know what the > issue is. Ok, if you consider this a bug it makes sense to fix it upstream and not just locally. > The code you point to should raise AlreadySubscribedError and > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/commands/eml_m…> > should catch it and report, but this doesn't seem to be happening.. Actually I don't see where it should send the mail in the code you refered to, but I'm pretty new to mm3-code and the involved coding guidelines. I would tend to add something along msg = UserNotification( self.mlist.owner_address, self.mlist.owner_address, subject, text, self.mlist.preferred_language) msg.send(self.mlist) (with appropriate subject, ...) before https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/app/subscripti… but of course that could be the wrong approach (but as subscriptions.py is sending out mail at other places, that's my first idea). > These things should be fixed, but it's more involved than just a patch > to fix the error. For all but trivial fixes, the workflow should be > something along the lines of the following. [...] Thanks, I'll try to have a look into that. Regards, Andi

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cron Error: <mailman@gw> /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin runjobs monthly

by Odhiambo Washington

On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 8:50 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 3/2/23 02:46, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > PS: Is there any documentation (for laymen) on how to set up an > alternative > > search engine for MM3? > > > I recommend xapian. See > > http://django-haystack.readthedocs.io/en/v2.4.1/installing_search_engines.h… > and > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html?highlight=xapian#enable… I have migrated from Whoosh to Xapian. I re-indexed manually and: (venv) (venv) [mailman@gw /opt/mailman/mm]$ time /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin update_index Indexing 37747 emails real 43m43.417s user 11m40.643s sys 0m25.808s (venv) (venv) [mailman@gw /opt/mailman/mm]$ ls -alh xapian_index/ total 4676760 drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 512B Mar 4 10:00 . drwxr-xr-x 10 mailman mailman 1.0K Mar 4 08:58 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 92M Mar 4 10:00 docdata.glass -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0B Mar 4 10:00 flintlock -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 146B Mar 4 10:00 iamglass -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 1.3G Mar 4 09:41 position.glass -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 619M Mar 4 10:00 postlist.glass -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 256M Mar 4 10:00 termlist.glass (venv) (venv) [mailman@gw /opt/mailman/mm]$ du -hc -d1 fulltext_index/ # Disk space taken by Whoosh indexes 1.9G fulltext_index/ 1.9G total (venv) (venv) [mailman@gw /opt/mailman/mm]$ du -hc -d1 xapian_index/ # Disk space taken by Xapian indexes 2.2G xapian_index/ 2.2G total root@gw:/opt/mailman/mm # Am I right to say that this should allow me to set HYPERKITTY_JOBS_UPDATE_INDEX_LOCK_LIFE to 3600? Thank you. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: 12/24 hour clock ?

by Per Jessen

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/28/20 7:18 AM, Per Jessen wrote: >> Hi all >> >> at openSUSE we have recently migrated to mailman3, and we seem to be >> having a couple of teething issues: >> >> a) hyperkitty and postorius both seem to insist on using a 12 hour >> clock format, no matter what the user has set. Is there a way of >> changing it system-wide ? > > > This is a Django setting. Try > > TIME_FORMAT = 'H' > > in settings_local.py. See > https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/3.1/ref/settings/#time-format and >https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/3.1/ref/templates/builtins/#std:templatef… Thanks, will have a look. >> b) overriding the default set of footers - despite having set the >> template "list:member:regular:footer" to empty for a specific list, I >> am still getting the default footers attached. > > > How did you set the template to empty? I edited it in list settings under Templates, at first really just leaving it empty, then actually writing "empty" :-) > it works for me in Postorius from the HEAD of the gitlab branch and > should work with any Postorius >= 1.3.0 > > Note that when you set a template in Postorius, it sets the URI in > Mailman core for that template to > https://<HOST>/<PATH>/api/templates/list/<LIST-ID>/<TEMPLATE-NAME> > where the https://<HOST>/<PATH> part is the Django setting for > POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL. Is that URI accessible from the Mailman > core host machine? I'll have to check, I only do the list admin, I don't maintain the installation. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (2.2°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: troubleshooting hyperkitty

by Morris Jones

On 12/9/2020 1:49 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 12/8/20 11:37 PM, Morris Jones wrote: >> I created a mailman-hyperkitty.cfg file in /opt/mailman/var/etc/. > > You need to set > > configuration: /opt/mailman/var/etc/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg did that ... > If it redirects to https, set it to https to avoid the redirect. did that as well ... base_url: https://mailman.whiteoaks.com/hyperkitty/ (Though the configuration comment on this suggests it should not be publicly accessible, I don't see any alternative endpoint that's private.) I added both my public IP address and my domain name to MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM. So this part is all set, it would seem ... [archive.hyperkitty] class: mailman_hyperkitty.Archiver enable: yes configuration: /opt/mailman/var/etc/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg [logging.archiver] path: /opt/mailman/var/logs/archiver.log api_key My archiver log continues empty The API keys match in settings_local.py MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM and mailman-hyperkitty.cfg Eric Broens suggested a curl to the endpoint to check for errors: From that I get: ------------------------------------------------- $ curl -i https://mailman.whiteoaks.com/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls HTTP/1.1 401 Unauthorized Server: nginx Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 00:55:45 GMT Content-Type: text/html Content-Length: 226 Connection: keep-alive X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff X-Frame-Options: DENY Vary: Accept-Language, Cookie Content-Language: en <html><title>Auth required</title><body> <h1>Authorization Required</h1><p>Please check whether the MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY is provided by you and it is correct. </p></body></html> ------------------------------------------------- Presumably I didn't provide the key in the header. archiver.log remains empty, and mailman.log has no references to the archiver. The hyperkitty UI is presenting fine, but no messages are archived. Best regards, Mojo -- Morris Jones, Monrovia, CA BridgeMojo <http://bridgemojo.com> Old Town Sidewalk Astronomers <http://otastro.org> Mojo's Blog <http://mojo.whiteoaks.com>

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Can't post to my own list from HyperKitty

by MegaBrutal

Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> ezt írta (időpont: 2025. ápr. 7., H, 2:05): > On 4/6/25 16:00, MegaBrutal via Mailman-users wrote: > > I get a composition dialog and can type my message, but when I click > send, > > I get the error message: „This list is moderated, please subscribe to it > > before posting.”. Upon reply, a red rectangle appears to enclose this > > message. Upon trying to create a new thread, a white page loads which > only > > contains this error message. > > In that composition dialog below the text box, it should say > ``` > This message will be sent as: user(a)example.com Link another address > If you aren't a current list member, sending this message will subscribe > you. > ``` > > No, it doesn't say anything like that. It says if I'm not subscribed, sending the message would subscribe me – no address is shown there at all. > > What do you see in Django's logs when you do this? > >> > > > > I don't know where to look – I don't see anything outstanding, only a few > > HTTP requests appear in mailman.log on mailman side and uwsgi.log on web > > side. None of these indicate any error. > > > If you configured your settings.py per > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#initial-configu… > your Django log which is where HyperKitty logs is at > /opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log. However, I don't think there will > be anything useful there. Yeah, I checked that, nothing useful.

3 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 not starting afte an upgrade -addendum

by Gelpi Andrea

the last problem was due to the VHOST parameter. I had to remove it to hace postorius run. Is anything changed since two month aggo when I applied some pathces? Thanks and regards -- AG Il 24/07/20 10:13, Gelpi Andrea ha scritto: > > > Il 23/07/20 23:05, Mark Sapiro ha scritto: >> On 7/23/20 4:35 AM, Gelpi Andrea wrote: >>> Hi, >>> to day in a Debian system I upgraded some packages. >>> >>> After the MM3 doesn't start anymore. > > . . . > >>> Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: os.kill(pid, 0) >>> Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: PermissionError: [Errno 1] >>> Operation not permitted >> >> >> I think you have a stale lock issue and the master is trying to >> determine if the process that set it still exists. >> >> Remove Mailman's var/locks/master.lck* >> > > Thanks Mark, now MM3 star but postorius is not working. > > The web pagge return: An error occurred while processing your request. > > I receive an email with: > ... > Exception Type: KeyError at /postorius/lists/ > Exception Value: 'file' > Request information: > USER: AnonymousUser > > GET: No GET data > > POST: No POST data > > FILES: No FILES data > > COOKIES: No cookie data > > Is that related to Django id setting or there is a passphrase mismach > some where? > > How can I check? > > > -- Gelpi ing. Andrea ************************************************** I documenti vitali dimostreranno la loro vitalitˆ spostandosi spontaneamente da dove li avevate lasciati a dove non riuscirete a trovarli. **************************************************

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: configuring postfix local recipient table

by Odhiambo Washington

On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 2:55 PM Alexander Inzinger-Zrock via Mailman-users < mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > Splitting up answer: > > Am 29.04.25 um 18:27 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > > Also, is there anything in Mailman's logs from the time you ran `mailman > > aliases`? > > Nothing in logs (before or) after command ''mailman aliases'' > and debug level everywhere is: info. > > What logs? > Everything under /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs: > > + bounce.log > + debug.log > + mailman.log > + plugins.log > + smtp.log > > All empty. > ^^^^^^^^^^^ mailman.log should never be empty. At the least, it will contain some entries about task runners, like: ``` [30/Apr/2025:14:00:01 +0300] "GET /3.1/lists?count=10&page=1 HTTP/1.1" 200 477 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" Apr 30 14:18:22 2025 (54456) Task runner evicted 0 expired pendings Apr 30 14:18:22 2025 (54456) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned workflows Apr 30 14:18:22 2025 (54456) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned requests Apr 30 14:18:22 2025 (54456) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned messages Apr 30 14:18:22 2025 (54456) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned message files Apr 30 14:18:22 2025 (54456) Task runner evicted 0 expired bounce events Apr 30 14:18:22 2025 (54456) Task runner evicted expired cache entries [30/Apr/2025:15:00:02 +0300] "GET /3.1/lists?count=10&page=1 HTTP/1.1" 200 477 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" ``` If those aren't there, then your installation has more problems than you think, IMHO. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

3 months

[MM3-users] Mailman issues after re-boot

by Paul Rubin

*<< I sent this to the mailman3 issues on gitlab and Mark replied but asked me to move to this list, so I copied everything and inserted responses. I hope this makes sense and someone can help me.>>* After a lengthy power failure I had to reboot a machine that has been running for several years. the WEB-UI does not seem to be able to see mailman-core. I have looked for log entries that might explain what the issue is and I am stumped to even find logs that will update when I get an error on the browser. Mailman is definitely running, postgres is running and mailman web is running. if I go to the lists page I see lists, if I try to access a specific list I get Server error: An error occurred while processing your request. I looked in /var/logs/mailman /opt/mailman/web/mailmanweb All I can find is: django.urls.exceptions.NoReverseMatch: Reverse for 'list_unsubscription_requests' not found. 'list_unsubscription_requests' is not a valid view function or pattern name.16688 ERROR 2023-09-12 13:56:58,430 1760 django.request Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/goodstein.goodstein.org/ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/haystack/admin.py", line 8, in <module> from django.utils.translation import ungettextImportError: cannot import name 'ungettext' from 'django.utils.translation' (/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/translation/__init__.py) Also I have to run mailman from "mailman start" because the systemctl returns this: ● mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; vendor preset: disabled) Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Tue 2023-09-12 10:06:31 EDT; 13s ago Process: 31159 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) CPU: 806msSep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: Error in atexit._run_exitfuncs:Sep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: Traceback (most recent call last):Sep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: File "/usr/lib64/python3.8/logging/__init__.py", line 2126, in shutdownSep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: h.flush()Sep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/core/logging.py", line 67, in flushSep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: if self._stream:Sep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: AttributeError: 'ReopenableFileHandler' object has no attribute '_stream'Sep 12 10:06:31 mail systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURESep 12 10:06:31 mail systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.Sep 12 10:06:31 mail systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. Please tell me where to start looking or adjusting. Reply from Mark Sapiro,* Edited to include responses:* Mark Sapiro <https://gitlab.com/msapiro>@msapiro <https://gitlab.com/msapiro>· 1 day ago <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-web/-/issues/23#note_1557601916> Owner Add reaction More actions The mailman-users(a)mailman3.org list is probably a more appropriate place for issues like this. django.urls.exceptions.NoReverseMatch: Reverse for 'list_unsubscription_requests' not found. 'list_unsubscription_requests' is not a valid view function or pattern name. 16688 ERROR 2023-09-12 13:56:58,430 1760 django.request Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/ goodstein.goodstein.org/ /opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/postorius/urls.py should contain re_path( r'^unsubscription_requests$', list_views.list_unsubscription_requests, name='list_unsubscription_requests', ), Y *Yes this exists* and /opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/postorius/views/list.py should define list_unsubscription_requests. *Yes there is a method by this name defined* File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/haystack/admin.py", line 8, in from django.utils.translation import ungettext ImportError: cannot import name 'ungettext' from 'django.utils.translation' (/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/translation/ *init*.py) See https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.2/internals/deprecation/#deprecation-re… - ungettext() is removed from django>=4.0 Sep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: AttributeError: 'ReopenableFileHandler' object has no attribute '_stream' I don't understand this one offhand, but what is the content of /etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service, in particular the settings for User, Group and ExecStart? *The service looks right:* 1 [Unit] 2 Description=GNU Mailing List Manager 3 After=syslog.target network.target postgresql.service 4 5 [Service] 6 Type=forking 7 PIDFile=/opt/mailman/mm/var/master.pid 8 User=mailman 9 Group=mailman 10 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start 11 ExecReload=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman restart 12 ExecStop=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman stop 13 14 [Install] 15 WantedBy=multi-user.target *It seems I may have two versions of the mailman script:* mail:/opt/mailman # which mailman /usr/bin/mailman mail:/opt/mailman # ls -al /usr/bin/mailman -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 382 May 10 2021 /usr/bin/mailman mail:/opt/mailman # ls -al /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman -rwxr-xr-x 1 mailman mailman 231 Sep 12 10:02 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman Somehow, your installation is corrupted. I don't know how *I need to know what to remove, how to correctly update, etc., That said the two scripts appear to be very similar:* mail:/opt/mailman # head /usr/bin/mailman #!/usr/bin/python3 # EASY-INSTALL-ENTRY-SCRIPT: 'mailman==3.3.4','console_scripts','mailman' __requires__ = 'mailman==3.3.4' import re import sys from pkg_resources import load_entry_point if __name__ == '__main__': sys.argv[0] = re.sub(r'(-script\.pyw?|\.exe)?$', '', sys.argv[0]) sys.exit( mail:/opt/mailman # head /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman #!/opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 # -*- coding: utf-8 -*- import re import sys from mailman.bin.mailman import main if __name__ == '__main__': sys.argv[0] = re.sub(r'(-script\.pyw|\.exe)?$', '', sys.argv[0]) sys.exit(main()) mail:/opt/mailman # *Given the two years since the last reboot I also tried following * https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/upgrade-guide.html *to make sure I was running the latest* pip install -U mailman postorius django-mailman3 hyperkitty mailman-web

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: problems installing mailman3 under gentoo and upgrading mailman2 to mailman3

by John Covici

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 22:51:46 -0500, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > On 3/13/21 7:08 PM, John Covici wrote: > > On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 16:22:59 -0500, > > Abhilash Raj wrote: > >> > >> My guess is that you updated the database (perhaps, by invoking the mailman > >> command form 3.3.3) and then tried to start 3.3.2. In this case, Mailman comes > >> up and sees a new revision for the database migration added from 3.3.3 but > >> can’t find the same migration in its source (because it is 3.3.2). > > > > That is sort of what happened, except in the opposite direction, it > > was from 3.3.3 to 3.3.2. My question is therefore, do I have to > > update this alembic_version when I upgrade mailman to a newer version? > > That is what I was getting at. > > > Abhilash's conjecture is that the error was due to a Mailman version > accessing a database that had been previously accessed by a newer > version so that the version_num in the alembic_version table didn't > exist in mailman/database/alembic/versions/. This normally would not > occur on an upgrade of Mailman, but if you went from a gentoo Mailman > core to a version obtained by pip, it's possible that the gentoo Mailman > had an alembic version that wasn't known to the pip Mailman even though > the pip Mailman was newer. > OK, thanks. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici(a)ccs.covici.com

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: using SSH/TLS with external MTA

by Roland Giesler

On 2024/07/28 15:42, Roland Giesler via Mailman-users wrote: > > On 2024/07/28 15:26, Roland Giesler via Mailman-users wrote: >> On 2024/07/28 00:39, Mark Sapiro wrote: >>> On 7/27/24 15:16, Roland Giesler via Mailman-users wrote: >>>> >>>> The server runs power-mailinabox, which uses Postfix indeed. All my >>>> mail, and quite a few others' mail is sent from the using SMTP-Auth >>>> on port 465. Actually, this message is sent via that server too. >>>> So it's clear to me that MM3 is not authenticating for some reason. >>> >>> What do you see in Mailman's smtp.log and in the mail.log on the >>> mail server? >> >> The smtp log is in syslog... > > I also see this in /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log The /etc/mailman3/mailman3-web.py file contains inter alia these lines: # Set default domain for email addresses. EMAILNAME = 'fast.za.net' # If you enable internal authentication, this is the address that the emails # will appear to be coming from. Make sure you set a valid domain name, # otherwise the emails may get rejected. # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ref/settings/#default-from-email # DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = "mailing-lists(a)you-domain.org" DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'postorius@{}'.format(EMAILNAME) # If you enable email reporting for error messages, this is where those emails # will appear to be coming from. Make sure you set a valid domain name, # otherwise the emails may get rejected. # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ref/settings/#std:setting-SERVER_EMAIL # SERVER_EMAIL = 'root(a)your-domain.org' SERVER_EMAIL = 'root@{}'.format(EMAILNAME) fast.za.net was giesler.za.net before, so I changed it.

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 shunting mails

by Barry Warsaw

On Mar 17, 2017, at 11:22 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >The above is the last line of > > exists = store.query(ListArchiver).filter( > ListArchiver.mailing_list == mailing_list, > ListArchiver.name == archiver_name).one_or_none() > >which is querying the archivers enabled for this list for the name of a >system enabled archiver and expects to find at most one entry > >> File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", >> line 2733, in one_or_none >> "Multiple rows were found for one_or_none()") > >but finds more than one. > >> sqlalchemy.orm.exc.MultipleResultsFound: Multiple rows were found for >> one_or_none() >> Mar 17 11:54:11 2017 (6217) SHUNTING: >> 1489748051.1949184+7a59df19c81493cb419306d620376efc0e381819 > >So the cause is there appear to be multiple database entries for this >list and some archiver name, but I don't know how that can happen. I don't know either, especially since ListArchiverSet.__init__() has this: # Add any system enabled archivers which aren't already associated # with the mailing list. for archiver_name in system_archivers: exists = store.query(ListArchiver).filter( ListArchiver.mailing_list == mailing_list, ListArchiver.name == archiver_name).one_or_none() if exists is None: store.add(ListArchiver(mailing_list, archiver_name, system_archivers[archiver_name])) It runs the exact same query, and only adds the archiver to the store if it doesn't already exist. What does the following give you? % mailman shell Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell >>> # You may have to use getUtility(...).get() to find the offending list >>> m = list(getUtility(IListManager).mailing_lists)[0] >>> m <mailing list "ant(a)example.com" at 0x7face8b2da20> >>> from mailman.model.mailinglist import ListArchiver >>> q = config.db.store.query(ListArchiver).filter( ... ListArchiver.mailing_list == m) >>> list(a.name for a in q) ['mhonarc', 'prototype', 'mail-archive'] Cheers, -Barry

8 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: # comment allowed in a template file?

by skenny＠scss.tcd.ie

Mark Sapiro wrote: > If you mean can you add a '#' line that won't be part of the actual > rendered template, the answer is No. OK, thanks for the clarification. > > Initially, I created the template files with owner set to "root". This resulted in > > postings to lists getting stuck in mailman-core. It's vital that these files are owned > > by user "mailman". Once I changed the owner of the file to the latter, everything > > worked. > I don't think they need to be owned by 'mailman' as long as they are > readable by 'mailman' Yes, your formulation is a more accurate statement than mine (I could have instead simply relaxed the permissions on the files to make them world-readable). The effect of the template files not being readable by user "mailman" was interesting. Hundreds of lines like the following got written to mailman-core's var/log/smtp.log file at the rate of 4 per second: Jul 23 17:09:54 2020 (25) Using agent: <mailman.mta.bulk.BulkDelivery object at 0x7fdf9e7b5f28> (the hex number was different each time). Having excessively restrictive permissions on the template files is a silly - but easy enough - mistake to make. If it were possible to add it to Mailman 3, a more descriptive logging message could point others who make it in the right direction, perhaps. I spent a long time trying to figure out why messages weren't getting sent out from Mailman core, and in the end it was luck in form of a colleague's suggestion about file permissions that got me out of the rut. Thanks for the great support, Stephen Kenny

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: Change the default value for the General Archive Policy

by Markus Grandpré

Dear Mr Hochstein, Thank you very much for providing the link. I'm afraid the same misunderstanding as with Marc Sapiro has occurred here. I'm aware that there are three different styles to choose from when creating a mailing list. However, the setting "Settings > Archiving > Archive policy" can be configured independently of the list creation process. Still, it would be beneficial if the default value after creating a list without an archive were not "Public archive", but rather "Do not archive this list". This would help prevent list administrators from being tempted to immediately enable a public archive when setting up an archive later—especially in cases where the list is intended to be private. Kind regards, Markus Grandpré Am 6/23/25 um 22:48 schrieb Thomas Hochstein: > Markus Grandpré wrote: > >> currently, when I create a new mailing list with MM3 the value for "Archive policy" is always set to "Public archives". >> I'd like to change the default value for "Archive policy" to "Do not archive this list". How can I do this? > > Perhaps > <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…> > has some pointers how to accomplish that? > > -thh > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to markus.grandpre(a)uni-konstanz.de -- Markus Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations- und Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur Sachgebiet Diensteadministration Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

1 month, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Current status and issue deleting Archives in Mailman3

by Abhilash Raj

> On Nov 2, 2021, at 12:51 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 11/2/21 11:50 AM, bob B wrote: >> So I am teaching myself to fish, and see that it is actually django-admin, so that is in >> mailman-web? (in docker) >> But i get this: >> $ docker exec -it mailman-web /bin/bash >> bash-5.0# django-admin shell >> Python 3.8.10 (default, May 6 2021, 06:30:44) >> [GCC 9.3.0] on linux >> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >> (InteractiveConsole) >>>>> from hyperkitty.models import MailingList >> Traceback (most recent call last): > ... >> raise ImproperlyConfigured( >> django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: Requested setting INSTALLED_APPS, but settings are not configured. You must either define the environment variable DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE or call settings.configure() before accessing settings. > > > Do what it says. I.e. run > > DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE=path/to/settings; django-admin shell DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE expects a Python import path, instead of a filesystem path. The docker has documentation on running management commands, which in this case is “shell” [1] $ docker exec -it mailman-web python3 manage.py shell [1]: https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/web/#django-management-commands I know there are plethora of ways to run Django management commands, but this is the easiest one for docker. django-admin will work too, but you have to be in the right working directory for the import path to work and it get weird. I’ve always disliked how Django management commands work unfortunately and in trying to “fix” that with “mailman-web” (which isn’t adopted by container images), i feel I might have re-invented a third option. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to strip DKIM headers on a domain level or a list level

by Mark Dadgar

On Nov 23, 2020, at 8:00 PM, Joel Lord <jpl(a)ilk.org> wrote: > On 11/23/2020 10:48 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> On 11/23/20 7:22 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: >>> >>> I also believe that it’s common for unsophisticated users to just start marking list emails as spam stop seeing them instead of figuring out how to unsubscribe. Which really sucks for everyone else. >> Several servers I'm involved with managing are subscribed to Yahoo's >> feedback loop (go to https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster and select >> "Complaint Feedback Loop"). Reporting list mail as spam is one way to >> get quickly removed from a list. However, this is a bit complicated >> because the "report spam" button in Yahoo's web mail UI is right next to >> the "delete" button, so some reports are accidents. > > I've done the same thing, but Yahoo is pretty good at sanitizing their report to make it difficult to impossible to tell who actually needs to get ejected. I added "Sent to %(user_name)s at %(user_address)s" to the footer and while they'd generally get the user_address wiped out, the user_name would generally survive. > > And because Yahoo's UI is flawed as Mark pointed out, with the delete and spam buttons adjacent, I'd usually give people a couple chances before I'd airlock them. Yeah, I’ve been subscribed to the Yahoo feedback loops for ever and ever. If you’ve got verp turned on, you can decode the original address from that in the headers. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 not working for mailman21 lists

by Diana von Bidder

Hi Stephen On Mon, 2022-08-22 at 23:51 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > blup(a)fortytwo.ch writes: > > Try queue/, especially look for the out[going], pipeline, and shunt > subdirectories. I have several entries in /var/lib/mailman3/queue/shunt/ with Aug 21 timestamps, and several entries in /var/lib/mailman3/queue/shunt/ with current timestamp (i.e. everytime I ls -l there is a new timestamp with the current time). > > > Is the 'outgoing' qrunner still running? (ps ax | grep outgoing) > > > > no > > Sorry, I got that wrong. Mark recommends this: > > ps -fwwA|grep runner=|sed s/.*runner=// > > and gave this as sample output: [..] My output looks exactly the same. > > I have more or less no Python knowledge (i.e. I can read and > > understand Python but can't write it). Could you please give me > > detailed command by command instructions. Thanks. > > I'll take a look at it tomorrow, but I can't promise results until > the weekend if I can't write a script in 30 minutes. Normally Mark > Sapiro would handle this kind of thing, but he's offline for a couple > weeks so you've got me. My knowledge is mostly on the email > protocols side of things (Internet message format, authentication > protocols), not the internal processing. I'll do what I can, but if > I can't do it real quick it's probably going to take me several > hours, which I'm not going to have until the weekend. Having something by the weekend would be perfectly fine. Thanks for your time! Regards Diana

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman not able to process "big" requests

by Jonas Felber

Thank you for your support, I got informed that we are now able to send out emails again. The problem was that the crashes we got while mass subscribing led to database corruptions. (From what I know, the problem was on our side, as we kubernetes did not properly restore some files after restarting so the database got corrupted (apparently we are running now a cleanup script on each restart)) There are still some problems, but I just wanted to send out a quick update. Thanks for your support, Jonas Jonas Felber <jonas.felber(a)vis.ethz.ch> Aktuar & CTF Präsident VIS - Verein der Informatik Studierenden an der ETH Zürich CAB E 31, Universitätstr. 6, ETH Zentrum, CH-8092 Zürich https://www.vis.ethz.ch > On 24 Apr 2018, at 17:21, Darren Smith <silas.crutherton(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Our installation at https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com has around 33,000 > lists and somewhere around 1.5 million members. We have lists with 5,000+ > members. > > Note that I haven't tried any mass subscriptions. When we upgraded from > mailman 2 to mailman 3, we used the old .pck files and ran the import on > each of the lists. It did take about 6 weeks to do the full import all > 33,000 lists. I'm not joking. > > As for sending messages - there isn't any problem sending that many > messages out, but then we are also not trying to subscribe list members at > the time. We are, though, in the process of importing the old archives from > our old mailman 2 system. This doesn't seem to affect the rest of the > system. > > We have seen some inefficiencies in the new system, such as the front page > of postorius - loading all of the information for 200 lists (if the user > set the "lists per page" to 200) was bringing down the system. We have our > own metadata system to be able to search for lists by state/region/surname > (ours is a genealogy mailing list system), so we had to replace the front > page with our own "find a list" functionality. > > The other main problem was the page where a user can see what lists they > subscribe to. That page was also a denial of service if the user had > several hundred lists they are subscribed to. And for a genealogy mailing > list system, this is common. > > We have actually ended up creating our own API layer (only accessible on > the local machine) and make certain calls to it for the most painful of the > issues. One of these days (when we get a moment to breathe) we are going to > post some of our changes to the project so that we can ditch our own API > and just use the internal REST API. > > To be fair, the inefficiencies are not necessarily with mailman or the rest > API itself - but with Postorius making hundreds of calls to load a single > page. Though if the API supported loading multiple lists at once instead of > having to load them serially, that might help as well. > > So while we have not seen any timeout issues on the call to mass subscribe > users, we HAVE found several other calls that are effectively a denial of > service and have gotten around them ourselves, with plans to contribute to > the project in the near future. > > -Darren > > >> On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 8:47 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >> >>> On 04/24/2018 12:36 AM, Abhilash Raj wrote: >>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2018, at 10:41 PM, Jonas Felber wrote: >> >>>> We also have a problem with sending out emails to "large" (>50) groups, >>>> as they seem to not getting sent out at all. Do you have any idea what >>>> the problem here could be? >>> >>> Which MTA are you using? What do you see in mailman's logs and MTA's >> logs? >>> >>> I haven't seen this kind of problem before with Mailman 3. This very >> list is hosted using Mailman 3 and I believe has more than 50 subscribers. >> >> >> Nor have I seen this issue. This list currently has 158 non-digest >> members. There are several @python.org Mailman 3 lists with over 100 >> non-digest members including the active yt-users(a)python.org list with >> 301 members, and I have gotten no reports of an issue like this. >> >> Also, there are over 600 lists at <https://lists.fedoraproject.org/>, >> and I don't think this is an issue there either. >> >> -- >> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, >> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-users mailing list >> mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >> > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

7 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] AttributeError: ,> 'ReopenableFileHandler' object has no attribute '_stream'

by David Newman

((reposting with correct subject line -- sorry!)) Greetings. I am attempting a complete Mailman 3 installation on a Debian 10 system that already runs Mailman 2, following this documentation: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html Even following this guide, I'd had a lot of issues with permissions, where directories and files were owned by list rather than mailman. After correcting those issues, I then got to the point of checking mailman3's status, and systemctl shows this error: Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: Error in atexit._run_exitfuncs: Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: Traceback (most recent call last): Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py", line 2038, in shutdown Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: h.flush() Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/core/logging.py", line 67, in flush Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: if self._stream: Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: AttributeError: 'ReopenableFileHandler' object has no attribute '_stream' There is an October 2019 thread on this error [1] but I think it's in a different context, where the OP already had mailman3 running, and was trying to migrate Mailman 2 lists. Also, regarding those permissions issues above, it matters which "layout" value is in /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg. I'd tried "dev" because I saw a post from Mark Sapiro recommending that, but then mailman3 wanted me to create a bunch of directories under /etc, even though $var_dir was set to /var/lib/mailman3. Things seem to go better, except for the confusion between lists/mailman ownership, when I set layout to "debian", which was the default. Thanks in advance for clues on addressing the ReopenableFileHandler error above. dn [1] https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Broken web UI after upgrade

by Odhiambo Washington

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 11:17 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/16/22 03:36, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > I am probably getting closer to where the problem is. By looking at nginx > > error_log while access the site, I see that there are > > just two CSS files that are missing, as shown in the error lo here: > > https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/7wbwMgqMyS/ > > > > Question is - why is it specifically looking for these two files > > - /opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/css/output.93545e20bc30.css > > -/opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/css/output.e1f0c6022e8f.css > > > > Where are these files supposed to come from and why are they missing? > > I have looked at my current CACHE directory and compared with the backup > of > > the same site before upgrade and these files aren't the same either: > > They come from django admin `compress` which used files created by > django admin collectstatic. > When I run that, I did not even get any errors. > > I suggest you run > ``` > django-admin collectstatic --clear --noinput --verbosity 2 > The output is here: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/qkR2bDYv3G/ > django-admin compress --verbosity 2 > The output of the above is here: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/T7jQPrs3JX/ ``` > where `django-admin` is your django admin command. If this doesn't fix > the issue, perhaps the more verbose output will help find the issue. > If the above doesn't reveal anything substantial, then let me know and I can bump up the verbosity. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Held messages: Long time waiating for response of the Mailman API

by Jacob Sievert

Hello, we seem to have the same problem right now. We are still on python3.6 and postgresql 12.9 I looked at our Table pendedkeyvalue and we have roughly 35k rows in that table, is that normal or shouldn't those get cleaned up after a while? with regards Jacob On 2022-01-28 15:57, Stephan Krinetzki wrote: > Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >> Mark Sapiro writes: >> > mailmancore/API ->database >> > that seems to have an issue and only with this one >> > DELETE FROM pendedkeyvalue WHERE pendedkeyvalue.id = XXX >> > query. However, like you, I have no idea as to what you could do further >> > to debug this. >> > I have an idea, but it seems so obvious that presumably it's already >> been tried: log in to the database as mailman with pgsql and try >> deleting something. If that works immediately, try with mailmanclient >> and the mailman command line utility. >> Steve > > Well, we didn't try this. Since we don't know what the query for > deleting a held message in the database needs to look like, we left > that out for now. If someone can help me there, it would be great. > > Over the mailman shell it hangs as long as on the web ui (using > mailman shell -l list@host and iterating over the held messages). So > it is the communication Mailman API <-> Database. > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Where to find disabled members?

by Bill Oliver

On Mon, 2024-11-04 at 22:36 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/4/24 19:28, Bill Oliver wrote: > > > > a) See who is disabled, and > > b) un-disable them by hand > > > > or... do I just have to wait seven days for them to automatically > > get > > un-disabled? > > They do not get automatically re-enabled ever the user or you has to > manually re-enable delivery. > > For an individual user, in Postorius you can click the user in the > members list and see their delivery status and reset it. > > To deal with the whole list membership for a list, you can do > ``` > $ shell -l list(a)example.com > Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell > Use commit() to commit changes. > Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. > Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. > The variable 'm' is the list(a)example.com mailing list > >>> for member in m.members.members: > ... if member.delivery_status == DeliveryStatus.by_bounces: > ... member.preferences.delivery_status = > DeliveryStatus.enabled > ... > >>> commit() > >>> > ``` > If you just want to list them > ``` > >>> for member in m.members.members: > ... if member.delivery_status == DeliveryStatus.by_bounces: > ... print(member) > ... > >>>``` > Thank you. It worked like magic. Looks like I've got some learnin' to do with respect to the cli. I've never played with it beyond the commands indicated for installation. It looks like a great way to manage things. I much prefer a cli to gui for most of this kind of thing. billo

8 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Installed from Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10, web not quite working

by Volkmar Grote

On 07.05.23 23:13, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 5/7/23 10:51, Volkmar Grote wrote: >> thanks for the quick reply. >> I am one step closer to a solution, >> "http://127.0.0.1:8000/postorius/lists/?all-lists#" seems to work now. >> I get the functionality, but it looks ugly w/o any graphics, for >> which I get yet another, slightly similar, error message: >>> >>> >>> Page not found (404) >>> >>> Request Method: GET >>> Request URL: >>> http://127.0.0.1:8000/static/postorius/img/mailman_logo_small_trans.png >>> >>> ... >> >> Nginx, /etc/nginx/conf.d/me.domain.de.conf >>> server { >>> listen 80; >>> listen [::]:80; >>> >>> server_name me.domain.de; >>> ... >>> location /static/ { >>> alias /opt/mailman/mm/static/; >>> } >> >> Again, many thanks in advance for any clue > > The above in nginx is correct, but you aren't getting the static files > via nginx. You need to go to a URL like > http://me.domain.de/postorius/lists/. Going to > http://127.0.0.1:8000/postorius/lists/ goes directly to your wsgi > server and doesn't involve nginx at all. You need to go to port 80 > where nginx is listening and nginx then proxys requests to > 127.0.0.1:8000. Do you also have > > location / { > proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000; > proxy_set_header Host $host; > proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; > > } > > in /etc/nginx/conf.d/me.domain.de.conf. You need that. > Thanks, port :80 did the trick. In my old Mailman3 installation on an outdated Linux VM it runs on :8000. Life's good again :-) VGVG

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installed from Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10, web not quite working

by Volkmar Grote

On 07.05.23 23:13, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 5/7/23 10:51, Volkmar Grote wrote: >> thanks for the quick reply. >> I am one step closer to a solution, >> "http://127.0.0.1:8000/postorius/lists/?all-lists#" seems to work now. >> I get the functionality, but it looks ugly w/o any graphics, for >> which I get yet another, slightly similar, error message: >>> >>> >>> Page not found (404) >>> >>> Request Method: GET >>> Request URL: >>> http://127.0.0.1:8000/static/postorius/img/mailman_logo_small_trans.png >>> >>> ... >> >> Nginx, /etc/nginx/conf.d/me.domain.de.conf >>> server { >>> listen 80; >>> listen [::]:80; >>> >>> server_name me.domain.de; >>> ... >>> location /static/ { >>> alias /opt/mailman/mm/static/; >>> } >> >> Again, many thanks in advance for any clue > > The above in nginx is correct, but you aren't getting the static files > via nginx. You need to go to a URL like > http://me.domain.de/postorius/lists/. Going to > http://127.0.0.1:8000/postorius/lists/ goes directly to your wsgi > server and doesn't involve nginx at all. You need to go to port 80 > where nginx is listening and nginx then proxys requests to > 127.0.0.1:8000. Do you also have > > location / { > proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000; > proxy_set_header Host $host; > proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; > > } > > in /etc/nginx/conf.d/me.domain.de.conf. You need that. > Thanks, port :80 did the trick. In my old Mailman3 installation on an outdated Linux VM it runs on :8000. Life's good again :-) VGVG

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: [Spam] Installation Help on Ubuntu 18

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 at 23:56, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 8/2/20 12:42 PM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > >> > >> It is currently linked from the first paragraph at > >> <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience>. > >> > > > > I followed the steps outlined in the subject document and got mailman3 > > running. > > However, what is missing in that document is the process of setting up a > > webserver for accessing the MM3 UI. > > I have spent two days trying to figure out that aspect and discovered a > few > > things (I could be wrong in what I think): > > > Which document are you talking about? If you mean > < > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xIcSsoNFp2nHi7r4eQys00s9a0k2sHhu1V5Plan… > >, > that talks about the Debian/Upuntu package installation and that package > is quite behind the current releases. > That same document. The Ubuntu package is updated to the latest. > I thought that after mush back and forth with you following > <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience> you > got Mailman 3 up and running, so why would you now be trying to install > the Debian/Ubuntu package? > I was trying to help the other poster :-) > > If you have issues with the > < > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xIcSsoNFp2nHi7r4eQys00s9a0k2sHhu1V5Plan… > > > document, you should contact its author. See > <https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344>. > I just thought that since it was being discussed here (and because you linked it to your document), we could still discuss it here. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-)

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Filter who can send on mailman3 list?

by Allan Hansen

Marcus, One of the MM3 bugs is the inability of list moderators to see the list of members of the list they are moderating. This in spite of MM3 having an option to allow moderators to see the list's members. The bug has been reported. My own moderators regularly request their lists and I have to log in to the server directly and use the mailman core API to get the list and then used mailx to send it to them. Yours, Allan On 4/7/21, 11:58 , "Mark Sapiro" <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: On 4/7/21 1:32 AM, Marcus Granath wrote: > > Sorry, but actually I can not find any "Users dropdown" to select "Non-Members" at any Postorius in my web interface. :-( It's one of the various tabs across the top of the page. What Postorius version is this? Seversal versions back, I think it was called `members` rather than `users`. In current Postorius, the tabs are Info Subscription requests Held messages Users Templates Settings Mass operations Ban List Header filters Delete As I said, `Users` used to be `Members` and `Templates` was added at some point, but that's the general idea. > Maybe, could it be that I am actually not the admin of the mailman3 server, I'm "just" the admin of my mailman-list - so just admin for my mailman-list and not for the mailman server? As Steve said, the list admin should see all those. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

4 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 templates

by Odhiambo Washington

On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 6:35 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 2/15/23 05:22, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > 1. Where is this template that the system used and can I edit it? > > > /opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/<python_version>/site-packages/mailman/templates/en/list:user:action:subscribe.txt > > You can edit it, but your edits will be overwritten if you upgrade. > I will not touch that. > > 2. Why is it not using the template I created? > > Is the template you placed in > /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/kictanet.lists.kictanet.or.ke/en/ > named list:user:action:subscribe.txt and does Mailman have permission to > read it? > Yes. [18:47 ~ ]$ ls -al /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/ kictanet.lists.kictanet.or.ke/en/ total 48 drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Feb 14 08:53 . drwxr-xr-x 3 mailman mailman 512 Feb 14 08:54 .. -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 615 Jan 17 13:57 domain:admin:notice:new-list.txt -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 341 Jan 17 13:54 list:admin:action:post.txt -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 158 Dec 17 13:32 list:member:digest:footer.txt -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 452 Jan 17 13:54 list:member:digest:masthead.txt -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 137 Jan 17 13:55 list:member:generic:footer.txt -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 1219 Dec 8 15:12 list:member:regular:footer.txt -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 944 Jan 17 15:50 list:user:action:subscribe.txt -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 247 Jan 17 13:56 list:user:notice:post.txt -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 802 Jan 17 13:56 list:user:notice:probe.txt -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 639 Jan 17 13:57 list:user:notice:welcome.txt > Did you try to create a template in Postorius? If you did, that one will > take precedence. > Not at all. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: customized welcome message

by Nils

Forget the previous message. Thank you very much for your help, Mark. I looked at the configuration files once more, and changing POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL in mailman-web.py fixed the issue for me. Kind regards On 12/7/23 23:09, Nils wrote: > On 12/7/23 22:40, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> How and to what did you set the URL for the template? What does the >> database query >> >> SELECT uri FROM template WHERE name = 'list:user:notice:welcome'; >> >> show? > http://localhost/postorius/api/templates/list/testliste.lists.DOMAIN.TLD > > This value can't work. Now it makes sense that it gets redirected and > the use of localhost also explains why it didn't show in any of the > virtual hosts log files that I was checking until it was redirected. > > However, I didn't set that value. I edited the template at > postorius/lists/testliste.lists.DOMAIN.TLD/templates and there I can > just select a template type and then I get one textarea input field > for the content. > The value in the database is set automatically, when I create a > template in postorius (and is also automatically removed when I delete > a template there). I can't edit this value without manually changing > it in the database. > >> This is very old. Current Postorius is 1.3.10. 1.2.4 is from February >> 2019. The Debian/Ubuntu packages are out of date. We recommend >> installing via the doc at >> https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html > > The server will be updated from Ubuntu 20.04 (focal) to 22.04 (jammy) > very soon. The Debian/Ubuntu packages sure have their downsides but > once they work, they update automatically and require very little > maintenance.

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: mm3 installation question

by Odhiambo Washington

On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 3:13 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 3/5/24 1:52 PM, advorkin(a)cs.princeton.edu wrote: > > > > I went with the apache/uswgi configuration. The site is up and running, > but if I click Postorius, it gets redirected to > https://mysite.com/postorius/lists and I get not found error message. > > > > The same goes for Lists and Archives. > > Compare your urls.py to > < > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-web/-/blob/master/mailman_web/urls.py?re…>. > > Some of the `path` settings are probably not in the same order as in > that file. The > > ``` > path('mailman3/', include('postorius.urls')), > path('archives/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), > ``` > settings should come after the > ``` > path('postorius/', include('postorius.urls')), > path('hyperkitty/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), > ``` > settings (unfortunately, mailman-web 0.0.8 has these in the wrong > order). Or you can just delete the 'postorius/' and 'hyperkitty/' ones > or you can add > ``` > ProxyPass "/postorius" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/postorius" > ProxyPass "/hyperkitty" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/hyperkitty" > ``` > to your Apache config. > The odd thing is that the HOWTO that he followed never involves the manipulation of any urls.py at all - it's not even mentioned at any point. So obviously the issue is caused by something else and I suspect something within Apache needs to be re-evaluated in the guide. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: spanish localization

by Abhilash Raj

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 11:00, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 2/13/21 2:33 AM, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users > wrote: >> >> But... here is a thing that I can not understand: If the source >> (the .po >> file) is from november 7th, it doesn't matter how many times you >> recompile it: the result will be the same. > > Correct, but the point is if you download the latest > gnu-mailman-mailman-es.po from weblate, and compare it to the Nov 7 > file > in the distribution, you will find they are identical, so it it > appears > that the weblate translation hasn't changed since that time. > > If there are issues in this mailman.po, they exist in weblate too and > need to be fixed there. > > Also note that the translations on weblate only affect strings in the > core code. The Mailman core templates are not currently translated in > weblate and there are currently no Spanish language templates. One > would > need to create Spanish translations of all the templates in > <<https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/tree/master/src/mailman/templates/en>> > and submit a merge request to add them to a mailman/templates/es/ > directory. You can actually translate the templates in Weblate too. That is actually the whole reason to go with monolingual template format in Mailman Core. Mailman uses the template file's name as the msgid for translations and all in-tree templates are copied into English's .po file when we re-generate them. For example in here: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/messages/es/LC… The english .po file is considered as reference in Weblate and used for source string. Abhilash

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: All addresses in a bounced list posting seem to be considered as bouncing

by Andy Smith

Hi Mark, On Sat, Jul 09, 2022 at 12:05:32PM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > If the original post was the message delivered to > users-bounces(a)mailman.bitfolk.com, it is possible that simplematch or > another recognizer parsed those addresses from the message body. For now I've configured a copy of all mails to -bounces addresses, so if/when it happens again I can inspect the actual email that triggered it. In case anyone else ever wants to do that, this is one way to do it on Exim: # This goes in your "routers" section. # Add a router, before every other router that you would want to # tap messages for. traffic_tap: unseen no_expn no_verify transport = local_copy_outgoing driver = accept # "mm_domains" is a list of domain names for mailman, e.g. # "lists.example.com"; it's set as part of the usual Mailman install on # Debian. domains = +mm_domains # Only do this for bounce addresses. So between this and the above, this # router will only happen for *-bounces*@your-mailman. local_part_suffix = -bounces : -bounces+* # This goes in your "transports" section. # Add a transport for taking a local copy. Mail to Mailman is "outgoing" as it # is delivered by LMTP over a socket. But the name is not important. local_copy_outgoing: driver = appendfile # Simply store it all in a maildir. If you're expecting a lot of # messages then you'll want a directory structure by date and/or # recipient or something. directory = /var/mail/archive/.outgoing/ delivery_date_add envelope_to_add return_path_add # If not on Debian then your exim probably runs as a different user/.group. group = Debian-exim user = Debian-exim mode = 0660 maildir_format = true create_directory = true Cheers, Andy

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: Auth question

by Simon Hanna

On 03/31/2017 08:10 AM, David Krantz wrote: > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 3:13 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >> We're really working on getting a consistent, workable installation >> story and even getting some packaged solutions. I know we're not yet >> there, but we're here to help when people run into problems. > The site now works, but not the / url for the site. I get this error > in the mailman-web.log (with a very long stacktrace before it) > > NoReverseMatch: Reverse for 'hyperkitty.views.index.index' not found. > 'hyperkitty.views.index.index' is not a valid view function or pattern > name. > > I think that would correspond to this line in urls.py > > url(r'^$', RedirectView.as_view(url=reverse_lazy('hyperkitty.views.index.index'))), Yes, that's the culprit. Replace it with the following: url(r'^$', RedirectView.as_view(url=reverse_lazy('hk_root'))), You can also update whatever guide you were using... > but this corresponds exactly to what the example config says and I > know of no other name for hyperkitty. Probably it is dependent upon > understanding the url dispatching in Django but that takes some time > to read up on. The interesting thing is that /archives works so it is > just this redirect that has problems. I can probably get apache to do > the redirect instead but that is not the most elegant solution. > > Then I of course have things to do on getting social logins to work. I > currently get "DoesNotExist: SocialApp matching query does not exist." > if trying to connect an account to google (which I started with). Not > a showstopper as passwords do work. Did you follow django-allauth's guide on setting them up?

8 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Blocked by Hotmail

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 1/22/21 4:11 PM, Tom @ Gather wrote: > > My mail server is on Digital Ocean if that makes any difference. > > It may. All of my recent blocks have been DigitalOcean servers including > mail.python.org, but I think I've had this in the past from non- > DigitalOcean servers. My (very limited) experience with DigitalOcean is that they harbor bad actors. That's probably only because they're a very large provider, but YMMV (more important, Microsoft's mileage apparently does). Details follow for the curious. I need to find out who was knocking over my webserver every so often, so I did some cave-diving in the logs. In the process, I discovered that about 95% of vulnerability probes (attempts access to scripts not installed on my server averaging 5X/day) were coming from DigitalOcean netblocks, almost all of those from something called stretchoid.com. I've blocked the whole /18 where stretchoid lives: DROP tcp -- 192.241.192.0/18 0.0.0.0/0 Security analysts on the web have different opinions of stretchoid; some classify them as "malicious activity", others seem to think they're some sort of researcher. I think they're a PITA, and there are zero legit connections from that netblock in my logs, so "bye-bye". Now I see unexpected access attempts about 1/5 days. :-) Oh, and who *was* knocking over my server? It turned out that once a month my employer tried about 9000 different hacks in rapid sequence and it took a couple hours for the backlog to clear, so my students couldn't access their wiki accounts or my schedule page during that period. Blocked connections from the vulnerability probing host, and there have been no black helicopters over my office, so I guess that's that. :-) Steve

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM2 -> MM3 Migration

by Odhiambo Washington

On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 10:39 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/29/22 05:25, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > I looked at my list archives and saw that the latest post was on Dec 8, > > 2022. > > Then, because I wanted to import any posts that happened from 8th to > now(), > > I looked at two posts: > > 1. > > > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This talks about 'hyperkitty_import *--since=01.01.2022* -l > mylist@mydomain > > my-mbox-file' > > > > 2. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2018-July/083607.html > > Which talks about 'hyperkitty_import *--since='1990-01-01'* -l > > mylist@mydomain my-mbox-file' > > > The default without the since= option is to import only those messages > from the mbox which are newer than the newest message in the existing > archive which is exactly what you want. > So I ended up using this and I can see the list metrics indicating that the last post was on 29Dec22, but I don't seem to be able to see those posts in the archives. I have compared these two: 1. https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/list/kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.k… 2. With - https://posts.kictanet.or.ke/ - a WordPress website where I also display those same posts - I am a little confused. Must I re-index for the new posts to display? > hyperkitty_import uses python-dateutil > <https://dateutil.readthedocs.io/en/stable/> to parse the since date. > See <https://dateutil.readthedocs.io/en/stable/parser.html> for info on > formats. > Thanks. Will look at this. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: User settings triggers error

by Mark Dadgar

On Jun 28, 2020, at 4:22 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > If I'm reading the above correctly, it appears that there is a message > in the archive database whose message_id value is > 'BYAPR02MB5976132151FF19510269C44CB3940(a)BYAPR02MB5976.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>'. > The trailing '>' is causing HyperKitty's Email.as_message() method to > try to set a value of > '<BYAPR02MB5976132151FF19510269C44CB3940(a)BYAPR02MB5976.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>>'. > > Or maybe there's leading white space in the value, or both. > > Try the following patch. > > > --- a/hyperkitty/models/email.py > +++ b/hyperkitty/models/email.py > @@ -24,7 +24,7 @@ import logging > import os > import re > from email.message import EmailMessage > -from email.utils import formataddr > +from email.utils import formataddr, make_msgid > > from django.conf import settings > from django.db import IntegrityError, models > @@ -175,7 +175,12 @@ class Email(models.Model): > header_date = self.date.astimezone(tz).replace(microsecond=0) > # Date format: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5322#section-3.3 > msg["Date"] = header_date.strftime("%a, %d %b %Y %H:%M:%S %z") > - msg["Message-ID"] = "<%s>" % self.message_id > + try: > + msg["Message-ID"] = "<%s>" % re.sub('[<>\s]', '', > + self.message_id) > + except: > + msg["Message-ID"] = make_msgid() > if self.in_reply_to: > msg["In-Reply-To"] = unfold(self.in_reply_to) > The patch does not apply cleanly against /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/email.py patching file email.py patch: **** malformed patch at line 4: import os I am assuming that this is because I am running the Ubuntu packages, which are a year down-rev: Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.2.2 (La Villa Strangiato) Mailman Core API Version 3.0 Mailman Core Python Version 3.8.2 (default, Apr 27 2020, 15:53:34) [GCC 9.3.0] - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Timeout error on anonymous subscribe

by Gerald Vogt

On 23.10.24 21:35, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/22/24 23:07, Gerald Vogt wrote: >> >> For testing I have set >> >> POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://lists.example.org' >> >> to the URL of our main domain, however, if I test an anonymous >> subscribe through the list info page I still get the timeout error > > This will have no effect unless you delete and recreate the template in > Postorius because simple changing the setting won't change the `uri` in > the template table. O.K. Did that. Now the uri in mailman.template is https://lists.example.org/mailman3/api/templates/list/community.lists.examp… However, it doesn't change the timeout issue, except now the error is HTTPSConnectionPool(host='lists.example.org', port=443): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) instead of localhost:8000. >> I can access http://localhost:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/ >> community.lists.example.com/list:user:action:subscribe with curl and >> immediately get the response. > > Can you do that as the Mailman user?, e.g. > ``` > sudo -u mailman curl http://localhost:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/ > community.lists.example.com/list:user:action:subscribe > ``` > assuming the Mailman user is `mailman`. I don't quite understand the relevance of the user accessing the localhost tcp port. Any local user can do that. I can access the template content with curl http://localhost:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/community.lists.example.c… as well as curl http://lists.example.org/mailman3/api/templates/list/community.lists.exampl… as any user on the mailman server. And I can use the latter to access the template from anywhere as it's a public server. In any case, curl immediately returns the content. There is no delay. Thanks, Gerald

9 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: where to configure max_days_to_hold on MM3 GUI interface?

by Shashikanth Komandoor

Thank you Abilash Raj for your help which made me step ahead. With your help, I have written a for loop as below which makes all the lists on my Mailman 3 box set the configuration of max_days_to_hold as 1 and of course I am successful in setting so. And the for loop is as below: *for listid in `curl -u restadmin:restpass -X GET http://localhost:8001/3.1/lists <http://localhost:8001/3.1/lists> | python -mjson.tool| grep "list_id" | awk -F"\"" '{print $4}'` * *do * * curl -u restadmin:restpass -X PATCH http://localhost:8001/3.1/lists/$listid/config <http://localhost:8001/3.1/lists/$listid/config> -d max_days_to_hold='1'* *done* With the above script I am able to set the value of max_days_to_hold as required but how to check manually and make my held messages discarded automatically which are after the specified period configured for max_days_to_hold. If I am able to do it manually I can be confident to take in to production so that the held messages after a specific period would not be appeared under "held messages" tab. On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 11:14 PM Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> wrote: > On Sat, Feb 1, 2020, at 5:27 AM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: > > Hello Mark, > > > > Thanks for helping me for moving ahead in my project. > > > > Troubling you again, I would like to put another request at you. > > > > As per your suggestion, I am trying to configure my list > > configuration through REST API for specially the parameter like > > max_days_to_hold as it is not available through interface and I am > > following the official links of mailman 3 i.e > > > https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/listconf.html > > > > But I am getting "name is not defined" sort of errors as below: > > > > > > > > > > > > *>>> dump_json('http://localhost:9001/3.0/lists/ > > <http://localhost:9001/3.0/lists/>','ant(a)example.com/config > > <http://ant@example.com/config>',dict(display_name='My > > List'),'PATCH')Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line > 1, > > in <module>NameError: name 'dump_json' is not defined>>>* > > > > Actually I am new to REST API but hope this is the only issue > that > > is preventing me to go ahead. > > > > Could you please help me by saying how should I handle this so > that > > I should be able to configure *max_days_to_hold* of a list or multiple ? > > > > > dump_json is basically a Python function which sends the request to the > URL you add as the first parameter (GET, if any data isn't specified and > uses POST if data is specified or explicitly define the PATCH or method > like you have above) and prints the json response. > > You can easily do the same using curl with the right authorization > headers, with something like: > > > $ curl -u restadmin:restpass -X PATCH \ > http://localhost:8001/3.1/lists/somelist.example.com/config -d > display_name='Patched Name' > > > Note that "restadmin:restpass" is the username password that you have set > in your mailman.cfg. > > If you do want to use Python, you can just use a regular PATCH request > using requests or standard library urllib3. > > Finally, dump_json is documented here: > https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/documentation.htm… > > > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:20 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > > > On 1/28/20 8:42 PM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: > > > > > > > > But I could see that parameter value configurable on MM2 GUI > > > > interface in General Options but I don't see the same on the MM3 GUI > > > > interface. > > > > > > > > > There are many core settings not (yet) exposed in Postorius. > > > max_days_to_hold. is one of them. It can be set via `mailman shell` or > > > via the REST API > > > < > > > > https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/rest.html#re… > > > >. > > > > > > -- > > > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > > > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > > > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > > > > > > > > -- > > Thanks & Regards, > > Shashi Kanth.K > > 9052671936 > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > > > -- > thanks, > Abhilash Raj (maxking) > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Template's encoding setup

by Ugnius S

Hi. I am not sure, maybe it could be another topic about header and footer, but I have met one additional issue related to that. This noticed only on HTML text messages. If message comes in HTML the header does not add extra <enter> new line, new paragraph and footer as well. For example if message body has no additional, list's decorated message looks next: TEST HEADER _____________________Hello, text text text, pictures, text regards Ugnius____________________ TEST FOOTER I have tried to add more empty lines in "The footer for a regular (non-digest) message.", but mailman removes these empty lines. Work around is put dot "." and then several empty lines. Mark, I have found Your post about HTML headers and footers: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… YES, that works good, I have tested it, but only in cases if message comes in HTML. If sender sends plain text message, mailman adds footer with all HTML code: <BR>__________________<BR> <B> LIST NAME </B> Could it be possible that decorate.py would recognise message and if it has HTML text body, then just would add header/footer and if not (if message body is plain text) , then would strip header/footer "html to plain text" may removing html code from it? Kind regards Ugnius 2019-09-14, št, 23:07 Ugnius S <ugniusviln(a)gmail.com> rašė: > Mark, You were 100% right for fixing. I was not sure what the > language setting were on list creating, but one of the lists was created a > day ago and I was doubt about it a little. So I made test: I have checked > that default language is lt, and then I created the new list for testing. > I had language issues with the HTML as well. Your recipe helped to resolve > the issue. :) I fixed all my lists. > I have stopped the mailman (just in case), than executed as You had told: > > $ mailman shell -l test(a)example.com > Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell > The variable 'm' is the test(a)example.com mailing list > >>> m.preferred_language > <Language [en] English (USA)> > >>> m.preferred_language = 'lt' > >>> > <Ctrl>+D > > Thank You very much. This fix made magic. > > Kind regards > Ugnius > > > > 2019-09-14, št, 20:20 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> rašė: > >> On 9/14/19 4:06 AM, Ugnius S wrote: >> >> > Yes, I have made several tests. I have set charset: iso-8859-13 >> > and default_language: lt in mailman.cfg. >> >> If you created the list before you set default_language: lt in >> mailman.cfg, the list's preferred_language is possibly 'en;' with >> character set us-ascii. >> >> >> > (Also I have set LANGUAGE_CODE = 'lt' in the settings_local.py, but I >> think >> > it is not related to this case.) >> >> >> Yes, LANGUAGE_CODE in settings_local.py is not relevant to this. >> >> >> > I have tried to set utf-8 as well in mailman.cfg as well. And I can >> > confirm - in all tested cases >> > text characters are correct (in footer as well) if sender sends text >> only. >> >> OK >> >> >> > If sender sends message in HTML (mostly all users send) then no >> > matter what the encoding is set in my mailman's >> > configuration or iso-8859-13, or utf-8 message body looks correct, but >> in >> > footer all national characters are replaced with >> > question marks " ? ". >> >> >> The addition of the footer is done by mailman/handlers/decorate.py. In >> the plain text case the message body is converted to unicode, the >> unicode footer is appended to the body and the new body is encoded for >> transmission. The encoding is the first of the list's character set, the >> incoming message's character set or utf-8 which produces no error. >> >> >> In the case where the incoming message is not a single plain text >> message part, the footer is added as a separate MIME part with the >> unicode footer encoded in the list's character set with >> errors='replace'. This is what produces the '?' characters. I suspect >> this happens because the list's preferred_language is 'en' with >> character set us-ascii. >> >> try running Mailman's >> >> bin/mailman shell -l your_list@domain >> >> at the prompt enter >> >> m.preferred_language >> >> if the response is not >> >> <Language [lt] Lithuanian> >> >> do >> >> m.preferred_language = 'lt' >> >> and then control-D to exit. >> >> -- >> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, >> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >> >

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] [Solved] PAM error (was Re: Re: OK, so I backed out completely and re-installed....)

by Bill Oliver

On Wed, 2024-10-16 at 12:19 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/16/24 10:26, Bill Oliver wrote: > > > > 1) I set up a mailinglist (tradfp(a)forensicpath.us) for "old school" > > forensic pathologists to discuss cases. > > > Does the forensicpath.us domain have an alias_domain configured in > mailman causing mailman to create > /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_vmap > and /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_vmap.db? You need this. Yes, I created a "lists.forensicpath.us" early on. > > > > In my previous attempt, I added > > > > hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp > > > > to both virtual_mailbox_maps and virtual_alias_maps, but I haven't > > done that yet here. I thought I'd ask and make sure I should. > > > > Should that be my next step? > > You should add hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_vmap to > virtual_alias_maps only. Done. I started getting the disappearing mail problem again, though none of the references to errors from the changes I made originally. After spending a few hours going over debug files, I noticed that I kept getting a pam error. The mails were getting rejected over authentication errors. It turns out it was all a permissions problem with /sbin/unix_chkpwd. Apparently the sticky bit was not set correctly on installation. Here's a discussion of the problem: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/422411/pam-authentication-failure-… I still don't understand why this was a problem with mailman and not with "regular" mail, but doing the "chmod u+s /sbin/unix_chkpwd" resulted in things magically working just like it's supposed to. Thanks for the help! billo

9 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: MM2.1 -> MM3.3 migration. To hold or not hold

by mark＠suburbia.org.au

Hi Mark, Thanks for taking the time to reply. Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/16/24 21:41, mark(a)suburbia.org.au wrote: > > However, I've just done a test of a newly added user (a test email account for me), seen that the Moderation Action is None, but when I posted to the list from the address, it was not held for moderation, and went through. > > Am I missing something with the expected functionality? > > A member's moderation action of None means use the Default action to take when a member posts to the list. Is that set to Hold for moderation? > Actually, it is good practice to set that to Hold for moderation for > all lists or at least all those that don't require moderator approval > for subscription to prevent a spammer from subscribing and spamming the > list. Then, upon approving a member's post you can also set the member's > moderation action to default processing and upon discarding a spammers > post, you can also set the spammer's moderation action to Discard. I agree. My point was that the list is set as default to hold for moderation. But, a new user who sends an email to the list, whose Moderation Action is set to "none", was able to email the list without the email being held for moderation. I would have expected based on the threads I quoted, that a user who is added to the list via Mass subscribe, would not be able to send to the list without it being held. I'm happy to do more testing, provide other information/logs as desired if that would help? cheers, Mark

8 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty url not found

by Eggert Ehmke

So I have to use the external url via https? I can access the address https://lists.[1]<tld>_/mailman3/archives/api/_ so I set: (<tld> is my existing domain) base_url: https://lists.<tld>/mailman3/archives Now I get this in the mailman.log: Mar 14 19:40:21 2022 (166928) ACCEPT: <12973151.uLZWGnKmhe@wookie> Mar 14 19:40:21 2022 (166932) HyperKitty failure on https://lists.<tld>/mailman3/archives/ api/mailman/urls: <html><title>Forbidden</title><body> <h1>Access is forbidden</h1><p>Please check the IP addresses assigned to MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM in the settings file. </p></body></html> (403) In my settings I have my local IP and 127.0.0.1 and ::1. What should I set there? Am Montag, 14. März 2022, 18:48:51 CET schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 3/9/22 07:13, Eggert Ehmke wrote: > > I installed mailman3 in a virtualenv following this guide: > > > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html[1] > > The mailinglists work very good. However, I did not manage to set up > > hyperkitty archiving. Archiving is enabled in mailman.cfg. I can call the > > Archive site from my configuration page, but it is empty. > > > > In my /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/mailman.log > > file I find error messages like: > > > > HyperKitty failure on > > http://localhost/mailman/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive: The requested > > URL was not found on this server. > > Your setting in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg for base_url is > > base_url: http://localhost/mailman/hyperkitty/ > > It needs to be the base URL for accessing hyperkitty, possibly > > base_url: http://localhost/mailman3/hyperkitty/ > > or whatever you use to access hyperkitty from a web browser. > > Whatever it is, `<base_url>/api` should return a page of API documentation. -------- [1] https://lists.ftv-spandau.de/mailman3/archives/api/

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Sending a message to a subscription applicant when a subscription request is made

by Allan Hansen

Mark, I tried doing this. I unsubscribed myself from a list, set the policy as you suggest and re-applied. I got no confirmation messages but as moderator I got the moderate message. I then tried a bogus email and saw that a message was sent to that and no moderator message to me. Would the server skip the verification message because I'm a moderator/admin? Yours, Allan On 3/28/23, 08:57, "Mark Sapiro" <mark(a)msapiro.net <mailto:mark@msapiro.net>> wrote: On 3/28/23 01:49, Allan Hansen wrote: > > There is a template, 'list:user:action:subscribe' that almost does this, but it gets sent only if the email address of the applicant is unverified. A good number of our applicants are already on our lists, so they would not get this template if we set the Subscription Policy to 'Confirm, then moderate'. > > Our Subscription Policy is currently: 'Moderate' for all lists. If you set the subscription policy to 'Confirm, then moderate' the user will receive a confirmation request based on the list:user:action:subscribe template whether or not the address is verified. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net <mailto:mark@msapiro.net>> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org <mailto:mailman-users-leave@mailman3.org> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ <https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/> Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org <mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org>/message/ORDAIBK4JUICZADYPEPWDVV2WP5EXWEB/ This message sent to hansen(a)rc.org <mailto:hansen@rc.org>

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating Mailman 3 lists

by Mark Dadgar

On May 24, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull <turnbull.stephen.fw(a)u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote: >> Mark Sapiro wrote: >>> On 5/19/20 7:25 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: > >>>> For reference my pgloader script looks like: >>>> >>>> load database >>>> from sqlite:///var/lib/dbconfig-common/sqlite3/mailman3-web/mailman3web.db >>>> into postgresql://mailman3:XXREDACTEDXX@localhost/mailman >>>> >>>> with include drop, create tables, create indexes, reset sequences, no truncate > >> Have you tried this without indexes and then run the migrate >> script? It may re-create them as part of the schema upgrade >> check. > > That was my immediate guess. I'm not an SQL expert, but I believe > that sequences and indexes are different entities, they're both > optimizations that you don't need (ie, ignoring performance), and > implementations differ on how they're implemented. Eg, if sqlite > implements them as tables, while PostgreSQL has a special data > structure, you could run into this kind of behavior. I'm pretty sure > that these will be recreated appropriate to the new database when the > schema validator is done. > > But don't trust me, and *do* keep a backup. ;-) 😁 I did try it without indexes and it started showing the same warnings. I will give this another try and let it run to completion. I was hesitant to do that because the core database is 7.5 GB and the web database is 35 GB so there are only so many copies I can keep hanging around on the cloud volume. Since the data is mostly text, I am hoping that postgres will compress the bejeesus out of it. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Gmail emails bouncing - anybody seen this problem?

by worik

On 12/02/19 11:25 AM, worik wrote: > Friends > > On a fresh install (docker) on a fresh VPS I am getting all Mailman > messages to Gmail addresses bouncing telling me I am sending too many > messages. Has anybody else have this problem? > > I am getting the following error in mail.log: "Our system has detected > an unusual rate of 550-5.7.1 unsolicited mail originating from your IP > address. To protect our 550-5.7.1 users from spam, mail sent from your > IP address has been blocked. 550-5.7.1 Please visit 550-5.7.1 > https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedIPError to review our 550 > 5.7.1 Bulk Email Senders Guidelines. l26si395949wme.8 - gsmtp" > > I have been to the URL mentioned and exhausted my options there. > > Worik > Well. Golly. I complained to Google, and heard nothing back. But with no changes on my end they have stopped bouncing my emails. Now they are just marked as spam. I can live with that. Very frustrated with google's levels of service. What a pain! Thank you Brian Carpenter, who may well have been right about "warming up the IP". What ever that might mean. I have not read that RFC, but I have a lot to learn. Thank you Mark Sapiro, for your patience. Thank you every body for the obviously hard work creating this system. I have a long way to go until I know how to use it properly, but I am no longer stopped at the google cliff. Worik -- If not me then who? If not now then when? If not here then where? So, here I stand, I can do no other root(a)worik.org 021-1680650, (03) 4821804 Aotearoa (New Zealand) I have a lot of onion pie, that explains the aroma

6 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Error -- postorius Un-handled exception

by Odhiambo Washington

On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 11:00 PM Ron / BCLUG <admin(a)bclug.ca> wrote: > Mark Sapiro wrote on 2024-04-10 14:09: > > > I suspect you are not starting the services with your venv active. > > What's in your mailman3.service and mailman3-web.service files? > > Thanks for the pointer! > > I had my mailman3-web.service starting `mailman-web` instead of `uwsgi` > somehow. > > > I changed that to match the docs, did the `systemctl daemon-reload`, > etc. but still had similar problems. > > > I went through all my config files carefully, I wiped the static folder > completely and rebuilt it, and I finally have the last piece of the > puzzle in place and my web interface is working! > > I'm not sure which change actually fixed the issue though. > > > (When looking at "Available lists" my header has "example.com" in the > top-left corner?!?) > See also this: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… But read it as "example.com", not example.org :-) I think I need to backup what I have and do a clean re-install so I have > a better grasp of what's going on with all these components. > Way to go! Before I got MM3 working on the sites that I manage, it took me lots of installs and wipes until I could figure out what's going on. I was literally being hand-held by the good developers. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: config incoming email in my domain cpanel

by Rafael Mora

El jue., 3 ago. 2017 a las 16:25, tlhackque via Mailman-users (< mailman-users(a)mailman3.org>) escribió: > On 03-Aug-17 17:14, Rafael Mora wrote: > > > > > > El jue., 3 ago. 2017 a las 16:07, tlhackque via Mailman-users > > (<mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org>>) > > escribió: > > > > You've said you're working with labbrands.com <http://labbrands.com > >. > > > > labbrands.com <http://labbrands.com> has address > 192.185.51.89 > > mail.labbrands.com <http://mail.labbrands.com> has address > > 192.185.51.89 > > www.labbrands.com <http://www.labbrands.com> is an alias for > > labbrands.com <http://labbrands.com>. > > > > telnet proves that Exim is running on that IP address. Either you're > > running it, or hostgator is redirecting the SMTP ports. > > > > You added: > > lists.labbrands.com <http://lists.labbrands.com> has address > > 190.145.27.66 > > > > Presumably that's a different machine. > > > > So that now needs an MX record, and a firewall routing. > > > > > > I added the MX record on our hostgator hosting like this: > > image.png > > > > Is it correct??? > > > No. And sending images to the mailing list doesn't get you help. > > You set up lists.labbrands.com as a secondary server, not an independent > mail domain. This will cause you serious grief. > Ok I will remove that MX record on my hostgator hosting. Thank for your help. > > You need to get some help from a more suitable list. Setting this up is > not mailman-specific, and getting it right is more than a quick note. > > Try the Postfix documentation & mailing lists. > > > > > > > And the SPF > > records ... and spam and virus filters, and all the other stuff > > you need > > to setup an independent, public-facing smtp server. > > > > But at least you won't have to relay. > > > > Good luck. > > > > On 03-Aug-17 16:55, Rafael Mora wrote: > > > El jue., 3 ago. 2017 a las 15:49, tlhackque via Mailman-users (< > > > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org>>) > > escribió: > > > > > >> I think you're confused. > > >> > > >> You already have mail.labbrands.com <http://mail.labbrands.com> > > set up as the MX record for > > >> labbrands.com <http://labbrands.com>. And it has an A record > > with the same address as your > > >> webserver. > > >> > > > I'm working with the hostgator mailserver, we are not running a > > local > > > mailserver. > > > > > > As suggested I added an A record like this: > > > [image: image.png] > > > > > > Is it correct? is it redirecting to my Ip so I can redirect it to > my > > > postfix/mm3 server? > > > > > > > > >> So if you're getting e-mail on that domain, there's another e-mail > > >> server running on that IP address. You can't have 2 servers > > on port > > >> 25. In that case, as has been noted before, you'll need to setup > a > > >> relay in that server, not a firewall redirect. Depending on > > your MTA, > > >> you would need to relay to your internal server. And make sure > > your > > >> firewall setup allows your MTA to do this. > > >> > > >> We can see it's EXIM: > > >> > > >> telnet mail.labbrands.com <http://mail.labbrands.com> 25 > > >> Trying 192.185.51.89... > > >> Connected to mail.labbrands.com <http://mail.labbrands.com> > > (192.185.51.89). > > >> Escape character is '^]'. > > >> help > > >> 220-gator4137.hostgator.com > > <http://220-gator4137.hostgator.com> ESMTP Exim 4.87 #1 Thu, 03 > > Aug 2017 15:47:48 > > >> -0500 > > >> 220-We do not authorize the use of this system to transport > > unsolicited, > > >> 220 and/or bulk e-mail. > > >> 214-Commands supported: > > >> 214 AUTH STARTTLS HELO EHLO MAIL RCPT DATA NOOP QUIT RSET HELP > > >> quit > > >> 221 gator4137.hostgator.com <http://gator4137.hostgator.com> > > closing connection > > >> Connection closed by foreign host. > > >> > > >> Or, consolidate all your e-mail to one server - which is a lot > > easier to > > >> manage unless you have a really big operation. Postfix is > > probably the > > >> right choice, but requires more setup. > > >> > > >> Although Mailman3 configuration is not well documented (as you've > > >> discovered), you may want to get help from someone with more > > general > > >> network and mail experience. You're now into territory that is, > as > > >> Simon indicated, not Mailman-specific. > > >> > > >> On 03-Aug-17 16:28, Rafael Mora wrote: > > >>> El jue., 3 ago. 2017 a las 15:26, Mark Sapiro > > (<mark(a)msapiro.net <mailto:mark@msapiro.net>>) > > >> escribió: > > >>>> On 08/03/2017 01:22 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > >>>>> El jue., 3 ago. 2017 a las 15:18, Mark Sapiro > > (<mark(a)msapiro.net <mailto:mark@msapiro.net>>) > > >>>> escribió: > > >>>>>> You need to forward port 25 for SMTP mail delivery and if > > you want the > > >>>>>> web UI (Postorius and HyperKitty) accessible from the > > outside, port 80 > > >>>>>> for http and/or port 443 for https > > >>>>>> < > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > https://www.iana.org/assignments/service-names-port-numbers/service-names-p… > > >>>>>>> . > > >>>>> I mean for incoming mail redirected from my hostgator > > hosting, because > > >>>> when > > >>>>> I suscribe an email address MM3 sends a confirmation email, > > so I have > > >> to > > >>>>> reply to be suscribed to the list. > > >>>> As I said, for mail delivery you need to forward port 25 to > > the Mailman > > >>>> server. > > >>>> > > >>> Ok so I'll redirect in my zentyal firewall the port 25 to my > local > > >> centos7 > > >>> with postfix and MM3 with IP 192.168.1.42. Thanks Mark. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net <mailto:mark@msapiro.net>> > > The highway is for gamblers, > > >>>> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - > > B. Dylan > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> Mailman-users mailing list > > >>>> mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org> > > >>>> > > > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > >>>> > > >> -- > > >> This communication may not represent my employer's views, > > >> if any, on the matters discussed. > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Mailman-users mailing list > > >> mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org> > > >> > > > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > >> > > > > -- > > This communication may not represent my employer's views, > > if any, on the matters discussed. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailman-users mailing list > > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org> > > > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > > > -- > > > > Atentamente / Best Regards > > > > Ing. Rafael Mora > > > > -- > This communication may not represent my employer's views, > if any, on the matters discussed. > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

7 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: "Approved:" header from mailman2 times

by Abhilash Raj

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018, at 8:59 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 04/09/2018 03:59 PM, Abhilash Raj wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 9, 2018, at 3:00 PM, Dmitry Makovey wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> is there any equivalent to "Approved" header that was present in MM2 in > >> MM3 land? Google is not very helpful in that. > > > > It does exist in Mailman 3 as a carry-over from Mailman 2, but AFAIK it is broken. > > > I don't think it is broken, but it requires setting the > moderator_password attribute for the list which can be set visa REST but > I think not by mailmanclient. > Thanks Mark for clarification. > > > Also, I have been thinking of not having this as a feature in Mailman 3, mostly because of the issue of having shared passwords. No one should be sending out passwords anyway through plain emails anyway. > > > > > Agreed. This is a shared password. and would be sent in plain text as a > header or body line. > > It would be nice though to have some feature to enable, for example, > spoof proof posting to a one-way (announce only) list. > > One thought on how to do this would be to have a list attribute that > says posts from 'authenticated' owners and moderators can be auto > approved and authentication could be by PGP signing the post. This would > require Mailman to have the ability to verify a PGP signature from an > owner or moderator which is not currently the case. +1 on using PGP signatures for doing this and that is exactly what I was thinking :) -- Abhilash Raj maxking(a)asynchronous.in

7 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: spanish localization

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

On 13/2/21 11:55, Victoriano Giralt wrote: > On Fri, 2021-02-12 at 12:24 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> If the manage.py in the directory in which you ran this is the >> correct one for your Mailman Django project, I don't know why it >> didn't work. > Me neither :-( That's why I asked, and probably Guillermo, as well. > >> Is your Mailman installed in a virtualenv? If so, was the virtualenv >> activated? > No virtualenv. Mine is deployed using system python on a CentOS 7 > system, toghether with another in house developed low requirements > Django project, both served by uWSGI vassals. And mine, as well, in a FreeBSD 12.2-RELEASE, no virtualenv and uWSGI approach with apache24 server. > > And then, all of a sudden, while I was writting this, it dawned on me! > > Postorius, Hyperkitty and django-mailman are installed with pip, so, > the end up in the site-packages directory (usually > /usr/local/lib/python3.x/site-packages), That is my case, too. > but, normally, django projects > are deployed somewhere in the web server hierarchy (/var/ww/django in > my case, due to old personal tastes), and applications properly defined > in the settings.py for the project. > > So, the message files are out of reach for manage.py. > > Changing to /usr/local/lib/python3.x/site-packages/X > (with X being postorius, hyperkitty and django_mailman3) and using > django-admin compilemessages all works! And for me as well. Thanks a lot Victoriano, I owe you a beer > > Thanks for pushing my thoughts in the right direction! > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Automatic migration from Mailman 2.1 (Debian buster) to Mailman 3 (Debian bookworm)

by Marc SCHAEFER

Hello, On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 11:38:40AM -0400, Mark Sapiro wrote: > The host name displayed in the web UI is based on the SITE_ID setting in > Django's settings. This is a system configuration not associated with any > lists. it references an entry in the django_sites table in the database. Thank you, will look into this. > As far as the comment/display name in From: is concerned, what specific > emails are you talking about? This. Sorry, I mixed From: with Subject: and the content: Date: Sat, 25 May 2024 13:37:29 -0000 From: postorius(a)lists2.alphanet.ch To: schaefer@XXX Subject: [example.com] Please Confirm Your E-mail Address Hello from example.com! You're receiving this e-mail because user Schaefer-XXX has given your e-mail +address to register an account on example.com. To confirm this is correct, go to [ ... ] Thank you for using example.com! example.com I guess it's the same SITE_ID setting in Django's DB: $ grep SITE_ID /usr/share/mailman3-web/settings.py SITE_ID = 1 However, I guess it's the default creation, by the Debian package, of the SQLite local database which presumably was done with example.com. I will anyway switch to a remote PostgreSQL database, and thus create a new one with the correct names. That should fix it. > for ADMINS in your Django settings. ADMINS = ( ('Mailman Suite Admin', 'schaefer(a)alphanet.ch'), ) That looks correct. > The `mailman import21` command will properly import the Mailman 2.1 > from_is_list and Sender filters -> dmarc_* DMARC mitigation settings. Thank you. Aka mailman-wrapper import21 on Debian so to switch to the correct user. > If you have some customization in this area, that probably won't be handled. Obviously.

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Caching problem with templates

by Mark

On Thu, 2025-06-26 at 18:36 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > You can delete the cached entry from the database via `mailman shell > as in > >>> cm = getUtility(ICacheManager) > >>> uri = 'the_uri_from_the_template_table' > >>> cm.get(uri, expunge=True) > >>> commit() > ``` > > You can also delete the entry from the file_cache table, but if you > do > that, the actual file containing the cached data will remain. To > remove > it, > > Rather than doing any of the above, if you want to manipulate the > database, just set the expires_on column in the file_cache table > entry > to a date in the past. > Hi Mark, Thank you for this information. I've given the options a good workout over the last couple of days and found that: 1. Deleting the cache via the mailman shell does the job, but is beyond me to script. There are numerous lists and list owners updating their templates. 2. Changing the expires_on date (to a date in the past) in the file_cache table didn't prevent the cached entry from being used; 3. What did work was removing the records in the file_cache table PLUS removing the corresponding files in var/cache/*/*/* -- for example: /opt/mailman/mm/var/cache/3a/2f/* This I was able to script in bash and cron to run every minute. A hack I know, but it's working for now. I've attached the script in case it's of use to anyone else. (mailman_clear_template_cache.txt) Note: change <USER> in the script to what suits. Does Mailman really need to cache the templates? It seems to be an unnecessary complication. Anyways it happy days again. Thank you again, very much. Your guidance was appreciated immensely as always. Best, Mark

1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Moving/cloning mailman3

by Abhilash Raj

Just take a dump of the database and move to other one, almost everything is stored in database. Outside of database, if you need to move log files and currently pending emails in shunt or held queue (broken or pending emails), you need to move the 'var' directory of Core and it's configuration. If you are using docker installation, database container holds the database and '/opt/mailman/core/var' is what you are looking for. Thanks, Abhilash Raj (Apologies for top post) On October 18, 2017 1:29:58 PM PDT, Dmitry Makovey <dmakovey(a)stanford.edu> wrote: >On 10/18/2017 11:10 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> On 10/18/2017 08:56 AM, Dmitry Makovey wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am drawing a blank looking for documentation for mailman3 >migrations. >>> How can one dump existing settings for mailman and import it into >>> another instance? >> >> >> The Mailman 3 command 'mailman import21' is what does this >> ><http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/docs/import.ht…>, >> however there are issues in that not all 2.1 settings are imported at >> all or correctly and in at least one case on an announce only list, >the >> membership wasn't imported. >> >> I intend to work on this, but haven't got as far as even documenting >the >> problems, much less coming up with fixes. > > >isn't above more about MM2 -> MM3 moves? I can't file .pck files for >MM3 >setup thus assuming there are some other files/commands I need to >tackle >to move MM3 from host to host. > > >-- >Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

7 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Disabling mail/news gateway was: Moderation action "None" is misleading

by Thomas Krichel

Mark Sapiro writes > For older releases you can add > ``` > [runner.nntp] > start: no > ``` > to mailman.cfg Following this advice, I reverted the change I made to /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/modules.py Then I believe I implemented Mark's suggestion root@server~# diff /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg~ /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg 312c312,318 < jump_chain: hold \ No newline at end of file --- > jump_chain: hold > > ## dont't start nntp because library is missing > > [runner.nntp] > start: no > ok, but root@server~# systemctl status mailman3.service × mailman3.service - Mailman3 server Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; preset: enabled) Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Wed 2025-02-05 23:36:35 UTC; 9min ago Duration: 2month 3w 6d 6h 21min 31.400s Invocation: 746a7d496ddd47f6a63795e55348b6f9 Docs: man:mailman(1) https://mailman.readthedocs.io/ Process: 416285 ExecStart=/usr/bin/mailman -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg start --force (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) Mem peak: 74.2M CPU: 1.712s Feb 05 23:36:34 server mailman3[416285]: File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 935, in _load_unlocked Feb 05 23:36:34 server mailman3[416285]: File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 1026, in exec_module Feb 05 23:36:34 server mailman3[416285]: File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 488, in _call_with_frames_removed Feb 05 23:36:34 server mailman3[416285]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/commands/cli_gatenews.py", line 24, in <module> Feb 05 23:36:34 server mailman3[416285]: import nntplib Feb 05 23:36:34 server mailman3[416285]: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'nntplib' Feb 05 23:36:35 server systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE Feb 05 23:36:35 server systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. Feb 05 23:36:35 server systemd[1]: Failed to start mailman3.service - Mailman3 server. Feb 05 23:36:35 server systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Consumed 1.712s CPU time, 74.2M memory peak. -- Written by Thomas Krichel http://openlib.org/home/krichel on his 21797th day.

5 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Error after HyperKitty 1.3.x upgrade

by Florian Schulze

On 30 Jun 2020, at 8:22, Florian Schulze wrote: > On 29 Jun 2020, at 23:40, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> On 6/29/20 1:38 AM, Florian Schulze wrote: >>> Hi! >>> >>> After upgrading to HyperKitty 1.3.x I get the following error for >>> qcluster: >>> >>> File ".../lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line >>> 300, >>> in pusher >>> task = SignedPackage.loads(task[1]) >>> File ".../lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_q/signing.py", line >>> 31, >>> in loads >>> serializer=PickleSerializer) >>> File ".../lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_q/core_signing.py", >>> line >>> 38, in loads >>> return serializer().loads(data) >>> File ".../lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_q/signing.py", line >>> 44, >>> in loads >>> return pickle.loads(data) >>> AttributeError: Can't get attribute 'process_task_result' on <module >>> 'hyperkitty.tasks' from >>> '.../lib/python3.7/site-packages/hyperkitty/tasks.py'> >>> >>> How do I recover from that? It seems like there are still persisted >>> tasks in the qcluster queue using the old code from 1.2.x with the >>> old >>> locking implementation. >> >> Have you stopped ans started qcluster since upgrading? > > Yes > >> Are you running the Django periodic jobs? > > They were disabled because of the errors (someone else did the > upgrade). I have enabled them again and will watch it and report back. The cronjobs seem to work fine, no errors so far. The queue doesn't seem to change at all. In "qmonitor" there is nothing listed and the statusline remains the same at ORM default Queued 303(118) Success 100 Failures 0 Regards, Florian Schulze

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification

by Onyeibo Oku

On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 23:38:05 -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > Judging from the traceback, Onyeibo Oku's > /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman is quite different from mine which is > just ``` > #!/opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 > # EASY-INSTALL-ENTRY-SCRIPT: > 'mailman==3.3.5','console_scripts','mailman' __requires__ = > 'mailman==3.3.5' import re > import sys > from pkg_resources import load_entry_point > > if __name__ == '__main__': > sys.argv[0] = re.sub(r'(-script\.pyw?|\.exe)?$', '', sys.argv[0]) > sys.exit( > load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.5', 'console_scripts', > 'mailman')() ) > ``` > What is yours? and can you start mailman as the mailman user with > ``` > /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start > ``` > without activating the venv? > True mine is different: **************** /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman ************ #!/opt/mailman/venv/bin/python # EASY-INSTALL-ENTRY-SCRIPT: 'mailman==3.3.5','console_scripts','mailman' import re import sys # for compatibility with easy_install; see #2198 __requires__ = 'mailman==3.3.5' try: from importlib.metadata import distribution except ImportError: try: from importlib_metadata import distribution except ImportError: from pkg_resources import load_entry_point def importlib_load_entry_point(spec, group, name): dist_name, _, _ = spec.partition('==') matches = ( entry_point for entry_point in distribution(dist_name).entry_points if entry_point.group == group and entry_point.name == name ) return next(matches).load() globals().setdefault('load_entry_point', importlib_load_entry_point) if __name__ == '__main__': sys.argv[0] = re.sub(r'(-script\.pyw?|\.exe)?$', '', sys.argv[0]) sys.exit(load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.5', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')()) *************** end of /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman *********** I have tried setting environment path (PYTHONPATH) by specifying either "Environment" or "EnvironmentFile" in /etc/systemd/system/mailmain3.service. None works. I had: EnvironmentFile=/opt/mailman/.systemd_vars where the contents of .systemd_vars are: PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib64/python310.zip:/usr/lib64/python3.10:/usr/lib64/python3.10/lib-dynload:/usr/lib64/python3.10/site-packages:/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages:/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages:/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages At this point, I am frustrated. Is there something else I can do to get mailman3 on this server? from a frustrated Onyeibo

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: List description as sender

by Henrik Rasmussen

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 09/17/2018 01:04 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: > I think your choices are: > > 1) Don't configure the list as anonymous. I've just tested it on a list which was imported from Mailman 2, but changing the list to announced doens't seem to affect the From: Thread-Topic: Test 201809241228 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 10:28:32 +0000 Accept-Language: da-DK, en-US Content-Language: da-DK X-MailFrom: me(a)ku.dk X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: member-moderation X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address From: Testliste for Mailman-administratoren <project(a)lists.example.com> The list config is : { 'acceptable_aliases': [], 'admin_immed_notify': False, 'admin_notify_mchanges': False, 'administrivia': True, 'advertised': True, 'allow_list_posts': True, 'anonymous_list': True, 'archive_policy': 'never', 'autorespond_owner': 'none', 'autorespond_postings': 'none', 'autorespond_requests': 'none', 'autoresponse_grace_period': '90d', 'autoresponse_owner_text': '', 'autoresponse_postings_text': '', 'autoresponse_request_text': '', 'bounces_address': 'project-bounces(a)lists.example.com', 'collapse_alternatives': False, 'convert_html_to_plaintext': False, 'created_at': '2014-12-05T14:16:33.126729', 'default_member_action': 'hold', 'default_nonmember_action': 'reject', 'description': 'Testliste for the Mailman administrator', 'digest_last_sent_at': '2018-09-24T10:28:39.309653', 'digest_send_periodic': True, 'digest_size_threshold': 30.0, 'digest_volume_frequency': 'monthly', 'digests_enabled': True, 'display_name': 'project', 'dmarc_mitigate_action': 'no_mitigation', 'dmarc_mitigate_unconditionally': False, 'dmarc_moderation_notice': '', 'dmarc_wrapped_message_text': '', 'filter_content': False, 'first_strip_reply_to': True, 'fqdn_project': 'project(a)lists.example.com', 'http_etag': '"29465efe640811a7f2880b879c65c2f2651c3ac3"', 'include_rfc2369_headers': True, 'info': '', 'join_address': 'project-join(a)lists.example.com', 'last_post_at': '2018-05-25T08:10:54.222183', 'leave_address': 'project-leave(a)lists.example.com', 'list_name': 'project', 'mail_host': 'lists.example.com', 'max_message_size': 30000, 'moderator_password': None, 'next_digest_number': 17, 'no_reply_address': 'noreply(a)lists.example.com', 'owner_address': 'project-owner(a)lists.example.com', 'post_id': 91, 'posting_address': 'project(a)lists.example.com', 'posting_pipeline': 'default-posting-pipeline', 'reply_goes_to_list': 'explicit_header', 'reply_to_address': 'me(a)ku.dk', 'request_address': 'project-request(a)lists.example.com', 'send_welcome_message': True, 'subject_prefix': '[project]', 'subscription_policy': 'confirm_then_moderate', 'volume': 10} Henrik Rasmussen

6 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Splitting hosts: mta&core vs postorius

by Ruth Ivimey-Cook

On 21/06/2020 04:52, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 6/20/20 7:24 PM, Ruth Ivimey-Cook wrote: >> ... the Body of reply, with the JSON text: >> >> { >> "start": 0, >> "total_size": 1, >> "entries": [ >> { >> "alias_domain": null, >> "description": null, >> "mail_host": "ch-bc.org.uk", >> "self_link": "http://0.0.0.0:8870/3.1/domains/ch-bc.org.uk", >> "http_etag": "\"5d474f0be89222e6122b6dc375a18ff01190419d\"" >> } >> ], >> "http_etag": "\"c6f15186189ff5cf5b67f2d06dcf4ea97ea447a9\"" >> } > > All these self_link references are generated from self.api.path_t which > is a reference to (in the case of 3.1) > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/core/api.py#L6… > which gets the host portion from config.webservice.hostname, i.e. the > value of hostname in the webservice section of mailman.cfg, and actually > <sigh>, looking back at > <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> > that's exactly where you said you set it to 0.0.0.0. > > Change that to greyarea-post Problem is, if I do that (which I did in the beginning), the core rest service listens on localhost / 127.0.0.1 (it obviously recognises that as the , and so cannot be connected to by anything. That is why I set it to 0.0.0.0 to begin with, and what the documentation implies (fairly strongly) that this parameter is about. IMO, the hostname parameter needs to be split up into a "what address should the rest of the world use to address me" and separately "what address(es) should I listen on". Multiple listen addresses enable multihomed hosts to get the right connectivity, too. Would that be hard? Ruth -- -- Software Manager & Engineer Tel: 01223 414180 Blog: http://www.ivimey.org/blog LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ruthivimeycook/

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification

by Onyeibo Oku

On Sat Oct 22, 2022 at 9:56 PM WAT, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/22/22 13:07, Onyeibo Oku wrote: > > On Sat Oct 22, 2022 at 7:44 PM WAT, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> The specific error you reported refers tp > >> /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/zope.i18nmessageid-5.0.1-py3.10.egg-info/PKG-INFO > >> > >> what does > >> ``` > >> ls -l > >> /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/zope.i18nmessageid-5.0.1-py3.10.egg-info/PKG-INFO > >> ``` > >> show? > >> > > > > See below: > > > > command: > > ls -lh /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/zope.i18nmessageid-5.0.1-py3.10.egg-info/PKG-INFO > > > > output: > > -rw-r--r--. 1 mailman mailman 7.8K Oct 19 18:31 /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/zope.i18nmessageid-5.0.1-py3.10.egg-info/PKG-INFO > > > This is actually strange. What does `pip --version` in your venv show? > Did you do anything to install mailman and other packages in your venv > other than `pip install`. > > I ask because I don't think there should be *egg-info directories in > /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/ at all. In particular, > in addition to the actual code directories, I only see files and > directories with names ending in nspkg.pth and dist-info. > It is strange indeed. So I decided to start all over again. I deleted both "mm" and "venv" folders and recreated "venv" first. I noted that after reinstalling the virtual environment pip was at version 21.3.1. I assumed that version may be buggy and upgraded to pip 22.3 before performing subsequent installations. Next came the wheel package, followed by psycopg2. I checked the /opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/ path to confirm that things were clean. All good -- no egg-info/* folders. I then installed mailman. Now Mailman starts, and stops as desired when running as mailman user (both in virtual and non-virtual environments). However, running the service via systemd still fails. I now get a different traceback: Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: Traceback (most recent call last): Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 8, in <module> Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: sys.exit(main()) Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1130, in __call__ Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: return self.main(*args, **kwargs) Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1054, in main Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: with self.make_context(prog_name, args, **extra) as ctx: Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 920, in make_context Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: self.parse_args(ctx, args) Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1613, in parse_args Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: rest = super().parse_args(ctx, args) Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1378, in parse_args Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: value, args = param.handle_parse_result(ctx, opts, args) Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2360, in handle_parse_result Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: value = self.process_value(ctx, value) Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/click/core.py", line 2322, in process_value Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: value = self.callback(ctx, self, value) Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 95, in initialize_config Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: initialize(value) Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 217, in initialize Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: initialize_1(config_path) Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 122, in initialize_1 Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: mailman.config.config.load(config_path) Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 142, in load Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: self.push(filename, user_config.read()) Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 148, in push Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: self._post_process() Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 160, in _post_process Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: self.ensure_directories_exist() Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 262, in ensure_directories_exist Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: with Lock(lock_file): Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 461, in __enter__ Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: self.lock() Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 328, in lock Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: self._write() Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 492, in _write Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: with open(self._claimfile, 'w') as fp: Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld mailman[19410]: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/opt/mailman/mm/var/locks/mailman-cfg.lck|server.tld|19410|619270043958240354' Oct 23 03:43:00 mail.server.tld systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty CPU usage

by Abhilash Raj

On Sat, Apr 27, 2019, at 9:40 AM, Alain Kohli wrote: > I have run "python manage.py rebuild_index" before, doesn't that do > clear_index as well? Apart from that, I run hyperkitty in a docker > container and didn't know fulltext_index should be persistent, so that > got deleted after every version update for sure. Which images are you using and how are you deploying them? You should persist fulltext_index, yes, and possibly logs if you need them for debugging later. Can you paste the entire error traceback? > > > On 4/26/19 10:18 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > On 4/26/19 11:14 AM, Alain Kohli wrote: > >> I see loads of "A string literal cannot contain NUL (0x00) characters." > >> messages, but I haven't found missing messages in the archives yet. Not > >> sure how that could be related, though. Apart from that I don't see > >> anything unusual. The other jobs (quarter_hourly, hourly, etc.) seem to > >> run and finish normally. > > > > Did you upgrade from a Python 2.7 version of HyperKitty to a Python 3 > > version? The Haystack/Whoosh search engine databases are not compatible > > between the two and "A string literal cannot contain NUL (0x00) > > characters." is the symptom. > > > > You need to run 'python manage.py clear_index' or just remove all the > > files from the directory defined as 'PATH' under HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS in > > your settings file (normally 'fulltext_index' in the same directory that > > contains your settings.py. > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

6 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Could not locate column in row for column 'user.id'

by Shashikanth Komandoor

Thank you Mark for your response. I tried for the command to know if any entry in the "address" table for which 'id' is not an integer. But unfortunately, I could not get any command or idea how to find that. But out of my extra talent, I tried the below commands which, I thought, may print the records which contain a non integer id value. *mailman=# select count(*) from address; count------- 82387(1 row)mailman=# select id,email from address where id NOT BETWEEN 1 AND 84203; id | email----+-------(0 rows)mailman=# select id,email from address where id NOT BETWEEN 1 AND 84202; id | email-------+----------------------------- 84203 | cons3.birmingham(a)mea.gov.in <cons3.birmingham(a)mea.gov.in>* *1 and 84203 are the minimum and maximum values of the id:* Please see the above outputs and suggest if anything possible or please let me know the command what should I run to find a non integer id value. I also doubt this error as if my REST API is contacting postgresql in a delayed manner. If possible, can you say what optimal setting I can do at Postgresql so that faster responses would be given to REST API. The above things are only my doubts. Please correct me if I am wrong. On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 7:31 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 7/27/20 2:48 AM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > > > Thank you for your response. And sorry for not giving you > > complete information as I am not sue what to share with you. > > > > I am using Postgresql-11.7 as my backend database. The below is > > the structure of the address table in* mailman *database: > > > > mailman=# \d address; > > Table "public.address" > > Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | > > Default > > > ----------------+-----------------------------+-----------+----------+------------------------------------- > > id | integer | | not null | > > nextval('address_id_seq'::regclass) > > email | character varying | | | > > _original | character varying | | | > > display_name | character varying | | | > > verified_on | timestamp without time zone | | | > > registered_on | timestamp without time zone | | | > > user_id | integer | | | > > preferences_id | integer | | | > > Indexes: > > "address_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (id) > > "ix_address_email" UNIQUE, btree (email) > > "ix_address_preferences_id" btree (preferences_id) > > "ix_address_user_id" btree (user_id) > > Foreign-key constraints: > > "address_preferences_id_fkey" FOREIGN KEY (preferences_id) REFERENCES > > preferences(id) > > "address_user_id_fkey" FOREIGN KEY (user_id) REFERENCES "user"(id) > > Referenced by: > > TABLE ""user"" CONSTRAINT "_preferred_address" FOREIGN KEY > > (_preferred_address_id) REFERENCES address(id) ON DELETE SET NULL > > TABLE "autoresponserecord" CONSTRAINT > > "autoresponserecord_address_id_fkey" FOREIGN KEY (address_id) REFERENCES > > address(id) > > TABLE "member" CONSTRAINT "member_address_id_fkey" FOREIGN KEY > > (address_id) REFERENCES address(id) > > TABLE "onelastdigest" CONSTRAINT "onelastdigest_address_id_fkey" > > FOREIGN KEY (address_id) REFERENCES address(id) > > > > The below is the structure of *user* table: > > > > mailman=# \d user; > > Table "public.user" > > Column | Type | Collation | > Nullable > > | Default > > > -----------------------+-----------------------------+-----------+----------+---------------------------------- > > id | integer | | not > null > > | nextval('user_id_seq'::regclass) > > display_name | character varying | | > > | > > password | character varying | | > > | > > _user_id | uuid | | > > | > > _created_on | timestamp without time zone | | > > | > > is_server_owner | boolean | | > > | > > _preferred_address_id | integer | | > > | > > preferences_id | integer | | > > | > > Indexes: > > "user_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (id) > > "ix_user__user_id" btree (_user_id) > > "ix_user_preferences_id" btree (preferences_id) > > Foreign-key constraints: > > "_preferred_address" FOREIGN KEY (_preferred_address_id) REFERENCES > > address(id) ON DELETE SET NULL > > "user_preferences_id_fkey" FOREIGN KEY (preferences_id) REFERENCES > > preferences(id) > > Referenced by: > > TABLE "address" CONSTRAINT "address_user_id_fkey" FOREIGN KEY > (user_id) > > REFERENCES "user"(id) > > TABLE "domain_owner" CONSTRAINT "domain_owner_user_id_fkey" FOREIGN > KEY > > (user_id) REFERENCES "user"(id) > > TABLE "member" CONSTRAINT "member_user_id_fkey" FOREIGN KEY (user_id) > > REFERENCES "user"(id) > > > > mailman=# \dn > > List of schemas > > Name | Owner > > --------+---------- > > public | postgres > > (1 row) > > > > mailman=# select * from user; > > user > > ---------- > > postgres > > (1 row) > > > > *The above command output is not showing any fields. But if use the > table > > as public.user (schema.tablename) with select command, it is showing the > > data. But without schema name this table is not showing those fields. Not > > sure if this the expected behavior or not.* > > > This is expected. psql gets confused because it has its own user table. > > The above table definitions look fine. > > Is there any entry in the `address` table for which `id` is not an integer? > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: redirecting -bounces replies

by Hirayama, Pat

Hi Mark, Thank you for your reply. I admit that I don't know Mailman 3 as well as I knew Mailman 2. And the 2 -> 3 upgrade was handled by someone else, who has since left the org. As near as I have been able to discern, Mailman 3 is running on a docker host with four containers running, with mailman, postfix, nginx and django-uswgi in separate containers. % sudo docker ps CONTAINER ID IMAGE COMMAND CREATED STATUS PORTS NAMES 1b4262f81b98 mailman-nginx:1.21.3 "/docker-entrypoint.…" 3 years ago Up 3 weeks 0.0.0.0:80->80/tcp, 0.0.0.0:443->443/tcp mailman-nginx a5e4fa75ccb3 mailman-postfix:3.5.10-r0 "postfix start-fg" 4 years ago Up 2 weeks 0.0.0.0:25->25/tcp mailman-postfix 7a358c807714 mailman-django-uwsgi:2.0.19.1 "uwsgi --ini uwsgi.i…" 4 years ago Up 3 weeks 8000/tcp mailman-django-uwsgi 9a917897da10 mailman-core:3.3.1 "master" 4 years ago Up 3 weeks 24/tcp, 8001/tcp mailman-core When I look at main.cf inside mailman-postfix: transport_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/var/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = hash:/opt/mailman/var/data/postfix_domains virtual_alias_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/var/data/postfix_vmap-exceptions, hash:/opt/mailman/var/data/postfix_vmap When I look at the domains in mailman-core, I see: >>> show_domains() <Domain fhcrc.org> <Domain fredhutch.org> <Domain lists.fhcrc.org, , alias: lists.fredhutch.org> <Domain lists.hanc.info, , alias: > - owner: cit-sys-engineering(a)fredhutch.org >>> When I look at /opt/mailman/var/data/postfix_domains inside the postfix container, that seems to match: fredhutch.org fredhutch.org lists.fredhutch.org lists.fhcrc.org lists.hanc.info lists.hanc.info Now, when I look at the entries for a test list on lists.fhcrc.org, postfix_vmap looks like: pattest(a)lists.fhcrc.org pattest(a)lists.fredhutch.org pattest-bounces(a)lists.fhcrc.org pattest-bounces(a)lists.fredhutch.org pattest-confirm(a)lists.fhcrc.org pattest-confirm(a)lists.fredhutch.org pattest-join(a)lists.fhcrc.org pattest-join(a)lists.fredhutch.org pattest-leave(a)lists.fhcrc.org pattest-leave(a)lists.fredhutch.org pattest-owner(a)lists.fhcrc.org pattest-owner(a)lists.fredhutch.org pattest-request(a)lists.fhcrc.org pattest-request(a)lists.fredhutch.org pattest-subscribe(a)lists.fhcrc.org pattest-subscribe(a)lists.fredhutch.org pattest-unsubscribe(a)lists.fhcrc.org pattest-unsubscribe(a)lists.fredhutch.org and postfix_lmtp looks like: pattest(a)lists.fredhutch.org lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 pattest-bounces(a)lists.fredhutch.org lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 pattest-confirm(a)lists.fredhutch.org lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 pattest-join(a)lists.fredhutch.org lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 pattest-leave(a)lists.fredhutch.org lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 pattest-owner(a)lists.fredhutch.org lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 pattest-request(a)lists.fredhutch.org lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 pattest-subscribe(a)lists.fredhutch.org lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 pattest-unsubscribe(a)lists.fredhutch.org lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 But for a test list on lists.hanc.info (the lists that I want to modify the bounce processing for), there is nothing in postfix_vmap, but there are entries in postfix_lmtp: phtest(a)lists.hanc.info lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 phtest-bounces(a)lists.hanc.info lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 phtest-confirm(a)lists.hanc.info lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 phtest-join(a)lists.hanc.info lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 phtest-leave(a)lists.hanc.info lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 phtest-owner(a)lists.hanc.info lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 phtest-request(a)lists.hanc.info lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 phtest-subscribe(a)lists.hanc.info lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 phtest-unsubscribe(a)lists.hanc.info lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 And in postfix_vmap-exceptions, I added: phtest-bounces(a)lists.hanc.info lmtp:[mailman-core]:24, user(a)gmail.com I tried the above with and without a comma, and moving the email address before the lmtp entry as well. Everything else seems to be working — there are over 40k lmtp: entries in postfix_lmtp, and messages are being delivered. I sort of assumed that the lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 thing was a result of all this being dockerized.... Suggestions appreciated. Thanks, -p Pat Hirayama Pronouns: he/him/his Systems Engineer IT | Systems Engineering Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center O 206.667.4856 phirayam(a)fredhutch.org ________________________________ From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2025 09:33 To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Subject: [MM3-users] Re: redirecting -bounces replies CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. On 6/25/25 10:53, Hirayama, Pat wrote: > Thanks, Mark. > > I (finally) started working on this ... and in trying to implement your suggestion — ran into a problem, I think. > > The current postfix_vmap has entries like: > > list-bounces(a)lists.domain.info lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 This looks very strange. It should be something like ``` list-bounces(a)lists.domain.info list-bounces(a)alias.domain ``` where alias.domain is the configured alias domain for the mail host lists.domain.info. > So, when I try adding entries to a separate vmap file, like: > > list-bounces(a)lists.domain.info lmtp:[mailman-core]:24, user(a)gmail.com > > It only goes through normal bounce processing. > > If I do: > > list-bounces(a)lists.domain.info user(a)gmail.com, lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 > > Then it goes to the gmail address, and no bounce processing happens. The issue here is the value `lmtp:[mailman-core]:24` is completely wrong. It should be an email address with a syntactically valid domain name. The domain name isn't a real domain. It is only a name exposed to Postorius in the postfix_vmap and postfix_lmtp files. What do you have configured for the alias domain for the lists.domain.info domain? See https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/l… If you have this properly configured, adding user(a)gmail.com in either order in postfix_vmap should work. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailm… Archived at: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailma… This message sent to phirayam(a)fredhutch.org

1 month, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: URL-lines in templates get folded

by Frank Steinberg

> Am 18.10.2022 um 18:37 schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > > On 10/18/22 06:52, Frank Steinberg wrote: >> Hi, >> I’ve added links to some templates to give owners and moderators >> shortcuts to the postorius UI for moderation tasks, e.g., I’ve added >> https://lists.xxx.de/postorius/lists/$list_id/held_messages <https://lists.xxx.de/postorius/lists/$list_id/held_messages> >> Unfortunately those lines seem to exceed a certain limit and get >> folded, so that they appear as, e.g. >> https://lists.xxx.de/postorius/lists/$list_id/held_ <https://lists.xxx.de/postorius/lists/$list_id/held_> >> messages >> (or similar) and are not directly useful. > > How are you editing the templates? I.e., are you editing them via Postorius or by putting them in Mailman's var/templates/ directory or ?? I am using the docker containers and have been putting files into the directory mapped to var/templates/site/. > Also are those lines of the form > > https://... <https://...> I am sorry, my Mail program changed the encoding here. In fact the template files just contain the plain URL. No blanks no angle brackets. Just one URL containing the $list_id variable. > what you are entering or is that duplication and artifact of your mail client? You should be entering just a URL either with or without angle brackets, but not both. > > Is the folding actually in the raw message or is it an artifact of the mail client viewing the message? The folding appears in the raw message sent by Mailman and put into the users INBOX. I thought there could be a kind of filter in Mailmans mailout processing that cares for line breaks in order to not exceed approx. 75 chars per line? I will do some more testing tomorrow (european time).

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem with redirection when entering alias without a / at the end

by Jens Günther

Am 19.03.21 um 23:04 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 3/19/21 2:55 PM, Jens Günther wrote: >> >> When I want to get to Mailman Starting Page now I need to Enter the >> following URL: https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman3/ to be directly >> redirected as expected to >> https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman3/postorius/lists/ -> works. >> >> Problem: When leave out the slash at the end and I ONLY enter the >> following URL: https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman3 -> then I'm wrongly >> redirected to a page, taht does not exist: >> https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman/postorius/lists/ -> 404 > > > Huh? that is the same URL as the one above that you say works. Do you > mean https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman/postorius/lists without the slash or > what. Here is the difference: https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman3/ https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman3 -> the first one works and leeds to https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman3/postorius/lists -> the second one redirects to https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman/postorius/lists -> which does not exist, since Apache-alias is only for mailman3 >> Where can I change this misbehaviour? In Apache-conf everything seems as >> it's in the docs, for the vHost I do not have any other custom settings. > > > What is the exact content of your RedirectMatch or ReweriteRule or > whatebver you are using? > I only use the apache-conf given in the documentation: <code> Alias /mailman3/favicon.ico /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/postorius/img/favicon.ico Alias /mailman3/static /var/lib/mailman3/web/static <Directory "/var/lib/mailman3/web/static"> Require all granted </Directory> <IfModule mod_proxy_uwsgi.c> ProxyPass /mailman3/favicon.ico ! ProxyPass /mailman3/static ! ProxyPass /mailman3 unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost/ </IfModule> </code>

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: getting all registered users and their lists

by IOhannes m zmoelnig

On 1/26/22 17:19, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 1/26/22 00:16, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > > You can do this in mailman shell[...]> ``` > >>> from datetime import datetime > >>> um = getUtility(IUserManager) > >>> for usr in um.users: > ... if len(list(usr.memberships.members)) > 0: > ... continue > ... if usr.created_on < datetime(2022, 1, 1): > ... continue > ... adr = usr.addresses[0] > ... print(f'Name: {adr.display_name}, Email: {adr.email}, Created: > {usr.created_on}') > ... > ``` > perfect. that did the trick, thanks a lot. >> is there a scriptable way to get all users that have registered in my >> mailman3 (3.2.1) instance and which lists they are subscribed to (if >> any)? > > It's in Postorius >= 1.3.6 i'm not entirely sure how this relates to the above (working) snippet. is it, that with postorious>=1.3.6 i would be able to perform that task from the webinterface, rather than having to resort to 'mailman shell'? in any case, this might be related: before i received your email with the 'mailman shell' snippet, i scraped some bits of my django knowledge and visited <https://lists.example.com/admin> (the django admin interface), and noticed the list of users there. so i scraped that page for users (assuming that this was the list of registered users). then i get myself a list of all subscribers in my instance, using a crude `mailman lists | grep "@" | while read l; do mailman members "${l}"; done | sort -u`. finally i calculated the difference between the two sets. interestingly the results are quite different from the ones i got from your script: both sets contain users that are not in the other set. how come? gfmdras IOhannes

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Set domain inactive / archive import from other domain.

by Johannes Winter

Am Sat, 15 Sep 2018 09:31:53 -0700 schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > On 09/15/2018 07:15 AM, Johannes Winter wrote: > > > > we've migrated a list from another domain and would like to keep the > > archives. Hyperkitty doesn't recognize the emails in the mbox > > archive during import due to the other domain name. > > > I don't understand the problem. I just ran a test where I imported a > mbox containing 3 messages which were not even list posts and in > which I had changed all the domain names to 'example.com'. I.e., in > the mbox I imported, the headers containing domain names looked like > > From root(a)example.com Sun Aug 26 09:12:06 2018 > Return-Path: <root(a)example.com> > Delivered-To: root(a)example.com > Received: by example.com (Postfix, from userid 0) > From: Anacron <root(a)example.com> > To: root(a)example.com > Message-Id: <20180826161158.F154D34010C(a)example.com> > X-msapiro-MailScanner-From: root(a)example.com > > and the 3 messages were all added to the archive. > > Why do you think the domain name is an issue? Perhaps the issue is > there is already one or more messages in the archive and the messages > you are importing are older. If you don't specify --since to > hyperkitty_import it won't import messages older than the newest > message in the existing archive. Thanks a lot for your excellent and fast support! That was the problem. Maybe it would be wise to include that into the help of the hyperkitty_import command? Although this command successfully imported 3/4 of the huge (1.7GB) mbox, it stumbled upon an error after some minutes: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/200 -- Johannes Winter matrix: @yova:matrix.allmende.io

6 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: SPF check fails for lists subdomain

by Odhiambo Washington

On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 10:56 AM Jan Eden via Mailman-users < mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > On 2023-01-04 15:07, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > On 1/4/23 14:02, Jan Eden via Mailman-users wrote: > > > > Although I could specify the IP address in my SPF records directly (as > > > you suggested), I do hope that my understanding of DNS records laid out > > > above is not entirely misguided. My current setup does work as expected > > > for eden.one, after all. > > > > As I said at < > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > > > I was misreading your DNS and now I am as puzzled as you about the > failure. > > It gets even more mysterious. I tried sending messages from both > lists.eden.one and janeden.net (my other domain) to a gmail account and > to another mail provider. Both messages passed the SPF checks on both > services (s. the relevant headers quoted below). Now because I send > those messages via my SMTP user (smtpuser(a)eden.one) and use SRS, the SPF > check operates (and succeeds) on e.g. > > srs0=jdm+=5c=lists.eden.one=testlist-bounces+gmailuser=googlemail.com(a)eden.one > (and not on somethingsomething(a)lists.eden.one or > somethingsomething(a)janeden.net) Could this be the reason for the failed > SPF checks in Yahoo's and Google's DMARC reports? > > - Jan > Might you be willing to use proven tools instead of trying so hard to understand the myth? I use https://easydmarc.com/tools#spf-tools It allows me to generate, lookup, test SPF, DKIM, DMARC, etc. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 not working following distribution upgrade from Debian 10 to 11.

by David Newman

On 1/11/22 12:39 PM, gordon(a)dickens.com wrote: > 2) Install mailman3 using the venv and web instructions as suggested in this thread. I plan to use mysql (mariadb) since my database was originally implemented with mysql. I too use MariaDB. Here are the MariaDB-specific variations from the venv and web docs: 1. Before going through the venv docs I installed these packages: libmariadb3 libmariadb-dev default-libmysqlclient-dev 2. When installing mailman in venv, I did this: (venv)$ pip install --upgrade pip (venv)$ pip install wheel mailman pymysql mysqlclient 3. In /etc/mailman.cfg, the database config looks like this: .. [database] class: mailman.database.mysql.MySQLDatabase url: mysql+pymysql://myuser:mypassword@mymysqlhost/mailman?charset=utf8mb4&use_unicode=1 .. The url is all one line (it's wrapping in my mail client). 4. The [Unit] section of /etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service looks like this: [Unit] Description=GNU Mailing List Manager After=syslog.target network.target mariadb.service .. Note that this is on a Debian 11 system. On Debian 10 and previous, it'd be mysql.service instead of mariadb.service. 5. The settings.py file includes this section: .. # MySQL database setup. DATABASES = { 'default': { 'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.mysql', 'NAME': 'mailmanweb', 'USER': 'mailman', 'PASSWORD': '<password>', 'HOST': 'localhost', 'PORT': '', 'OPTIONS': {'charset': 'utf8mb4'} # Enable utf8 4-byte encodings. } } .. Note that your NAME, USER, PASSWORD, and possibly HOST may differ. 6. The [Unit] section of /etc/systemd/system/mailmanweb.service looks like this: [Unit] Description=GNU Mailman Web UI After=syslog.target network.target mariadb.service mailman3.service .. Same caveat as with step 4 that this is for Debian 11, and you'd use mysql.service instead on Debian 10 and previous. I think that's all the changes, but if I've omitted something I hope Mark Sapiro or someone else can step in. dn

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman 2.1 or 3.0 (or another MLM)

by nate

On 2022-01-26 9:37, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Posts to this list from non-members are discarded without notice. OK good to know, thanks. Didn't want one of my main email addresses to be leaked to the list (I have ~550 email addresses normally have one per purpose). > Your initial post was held because all new members are moderated by > default. This is an anti-spam measure. If you post on topic, we clear > your moderation. Can I suggest the messaging to new users be improved to communicate this situation as it is not clear. The automated message I got said this was the reason my message was held: The message comes from a moderated member. Which makes sense if I REALLY think about it(I was a moderated member at first), but then the next question is why was I moderated. Your explanation makes sense. It would be nice if it had more info along the lines of what you said, or even better adjust the messaging for the "Welcome" email to indicate your first message(s) will be held for moderation(I checked both emails I got back from the list just now to verify this info is not there). I was confused for a while(again 21 year veteran of mailman) thinking I sent my message using the wrong email address, after confirming I sent with the right one I just decided to wait to see what would happen. If you can adjust the messaging it would be good I think to make it really clear all CAPS, or putting **** message here **** in the email so it really stands out to the new users what the situation is. > And yes, Mailman 3 doesn't (yet?) have a way for ordinary users to > delete their own held posts. good to know too, thanks! nate

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Things I miss about mailman2

by Quanah Gibson-Mount

Hi Mark, --On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 1:43 PM -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > The message comes from Mailman core. Mailman core does not know what > web management UI you are using or the URI to access it. You need to > change the template for the message to include the URL. Ok great, thank you!. >> b) When a post is made to a moderated list in mailman2, when I went to >> the page to approve/deny/discard, there was additionally an option to >> remove the moderated flag from the user for all future emails. This >> option no longer exists. This was EXTREMELY useful, as we force all new >> members of the list to be moderated for a time while we evaluate the >> quality of their postings. Now I have to go manually track down the >> user and their settings. Unnecessary extra hoops to jump through > > > Click on the subject in the held messages list. At the bottom of the > dialog that opens, there is a drop down to set the user's moderation. > Normally, you would set it to 'default processing'. I do not see any such option. After clicking on the header the only options available at the bottom are: Accept, Reject, Discard, Show Source, Show Header There are zero drop downs anywhere. > This was not "removed". It just hasn't been implemented in MM 3 yet. So in terms of available functionality that was present in MM2, it was removed. It may need to be re-implemented, but this was a core feature that was present in the prior version that is no longer available. --Quasnah -- Quanah Gibson-Mount Product Architect Symas Corporation Packaged, certified, and supported LDAP solutions powered by OpenLDAP: <http://www.symas.com>

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Change digest frequency and default threshold

by Henrik Rasmussen

Thanks for the hints. It looks to be a file permission problem. I am not sure what the right persommions should be inside he container. Is there a command for checking file permissions, like the Mailman 2's command check_perms? I couldn't file one. Mark Sapiro wrote: > Something is going wrong in this process in DigestRunner. Is > DigestRunner running? Yes: 43 mailman 2:05 /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman.cfg --runner=digest:0:1 > Is there anything in Mailman's digest or shunt > queues? As of /opt/mailman/core/var/queue/digest/ and /opt/mailman/core/var/queue/shunt/ no, but there is three files in /opt/mailman/core/var/queue/bad/ -rw-rw---- 1 root root 398 Oct 10 14:42 1539175326.8246331+4b7e80db0d22f01c2d4363e323320fcd34560657.psv -rw-rw---- 1 root root 398 Oct 11 12:11 1539252672.3947155+ae2631d9f6514d74c77a38f09f821ee71515f9d9.psv -rw-rw---- 1 root root 398 Oct 11 12:24 1539253469.5928977+15b0842462ddd3abcac8d688e5bbb195b07409bc.psv They seems to be binary, buy strings reveal: mailman.email.message Message policy email._policybase Compat32 _headers _unixfrom _payload _charset preamble epilogue defects _default_type text/plain listid test.lists.example.com digest_path =/opt/mailman/var/lists/test.lists.example.com/digest.1.9.mmdf volume digest_number version _parsemsg If that reveals anything. > Is there anything logged in Mailman's 'mailman' log? It seem to say PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied, but inside the container, the directoried in /opt/mailman/var/queue is drwxrwx--- 2 mailman root 4096 Mar 14 2018 archive drwxrwx--- 2 mailman root 4096 Oct 12 10:14 bad drwxrwx--- 2 mailman root 4096 Mar 14 2018 bounces drwxrwx--- 2 mailman root 4096 Mar 14 2018 command drwxrwx--- 2 mailman root 4096 Oct 11 10:24 digest drwxrwx--- 2 mailman root 4096 Oct 12 10:07 in drwxrwx--- 2 mailman root 4096 Mar 14 2018 nntp drwxrwx--- 2 mailman root 4096 Oct 12 10:07 out drwxrwx--- 2 mailman root 4096 Oct 12 10:07 pipeline drwxrwx--- 2 mailman root 4096 Mar 26 2018 retry drwxrwx--- 2 mailman root 4096 Mar 14 2018 shunt drwxrwx--- 2 mailman root 4096 Oct 10 12:32 virgin Henrik Rasmussen

6 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: (Custom) Plugins: Proper file path(s) for adding a handler?

by Thomas Ward

Running into some nasty issues. I have a structure like this, installed as a package in the workspace once installed by pip in the venv: mailman_customizations/ __init__.py hooks.py <-- plugin definition in here as MailmanCustomizations for class name handlers/ __init__.py handlers.py <-- custom handler in here pipelines/ __init__.py pipelines.py <-- custom pipelines which implement the handlers here. However, whenever I specify this in config with this clause: [plugin.MailmanCustomizations] class: mailman_customizations.hooks.MailmanCustomizations enabled: no ... I get a hard load error on "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'MailmanCustomizations'" To confirm this is a Python module/class, I did a pure python shell with `from mailman_customizations.hooks import MailmanCustomizations` and it properly imports that class, so I'm not sure where to go from here in debugging. Thomas On 10/24/23 11:55, Thomas Ward via Mailman-users wrote: > Perfect, that should make things easier for me to install. > > Thank you kindly for all your support everyone! > > > Thomas > > > On 10/24/23 11:54, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> On 10/24/23 8:20 AM, Thomas Ward via Mailman-users wrote: >>> >>> This means I can install the code to anywhere on `sys.path` that the >>> system can detect and it does not need to be in the Mailman3 >>> library/directory space in the venv? >> >> Yes, as long as Mailman can import the class defined for the plugin >> in mailman.cfg, it will work. >> > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to teward(a)thomas-ward.net

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Could not locate column in row for column 'user.id'

by Shashikanth Komandoor

Hi Mark, Thank you for your response. And sorry for not giving you complete information as I am not sue what to share with you. I am using Postgresql-11.7 as my backend database. The below is the structure of the address table in* mailman *database: mailman=# \d address; Table "public.address" Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default ----------------+-----------------------------+-----------+----------+------------------------------------- id | integer | | not null | nextval('address_id_seq'::regclass) email | character varying | | | _original | character varying | | | display_name | character varying | | | verified_on | timestamp without time zone | | | registered_on | timestamp without time zone | | | user_id | integer | | | preferences_id | integer | | | Indexes: "address_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (id) "ix_address_email" UNIQUE, btree (email) "ix_address_preferences_id" btree (preferences_id) "ix_address_user_id" btree (user_id) Foreign-key constraints: "address_preferences_id_fkey" FOREIGN KEY (preferences_id) REFERENCES preferences(id) "address_user_id_fkey" FOREIGN KEY (user_id) REFERENCES "user"(id) Referenced by: TABLE ""user"" CONSTRAINT "_preferred_address" FOREIGN KEY (_preferred_address_id) REFERENCES address(id) ON DELETE SET NULL TABLE "autoresponserecord" CONSTRAINT "autoresponserecord_address_id_fkey" FOREIGN KEY (address_id) REFERENCES address(id) TABLE "member" CONSTRAINT "member_address_id_fkey" FOREIGN KEY (address_id) REFERENCES address(id) TABLE "onelastdigest" CONSTRAINT "onelastdigest_address_id_fkey" FOREIGN KEY (address_id) REFERENCES address(id) The below is the structure of *user* table: mailman=# \d user; Table "public.user" Column | Type | Collation | Nullable | Default -----------------------+-----------------------------+-----------+----------+---------------------------------- id | integer | | not null | nextval('user_id_seq'::regclass) display_name | character varying | | | password | character varying | | | _user_id | uuid | | | _created_on | timestamp without time zone | | | is_server_owner | boolean | | | _preferred_address_id | integer | | | preferences_id | integer | | | Indexes: "user_pkey" PRIMARY KEY, btree (id) "ix_user__user_id" btree (_user_id) "ix_user_preferences_id" btree (preferences_id) Foreign-key constraints: "_preferred_address" FOREIGN KEY (_preferred_address_id) REFERENCES address(id) ON DELETE SET NULL "user_preferences_id_fkey" FOREIGN KEY (preferences_id) REFERENCES preferences(id) Referenced by: TABLE "address" CONSTRAINT "address_user_id_fkey" FOREIGN KEY (user_id) REFERENCES "user"(id) TABLE "domain_owner" CONSTRAINT "domain_owner_user_id_fkey" FOREIGN KEY (user_id) REFERENCES "user"(id) TABLE "member" CONSTRAINT "member_user_id_fkey" FOREIGN KEY (user_id) REFERENCES "user"(id) mailman=# \dn List of schemas Name | Owner --------+---------- public | postgres (1 row) mailman=# select * from user; user ---------- postgres (1 row) *The above command output is not showing any fields. But if use the table as public.user (schema.tablename) with select command, it is showing the data. But without schema name this table is not showing those fields. Not sure if this the expected behavior or not.* I have not done any changes. Few days back I made DR machine up as I am taking primary into maintenance. The entire database was running streaming replication and I even kept the /var/lib/mailman directory in sync where all the components are installed. Please let me know if any more things I need to share. On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 7:45 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 7/26/20 10:56 AM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: > > Hi Team, > > > > I am currently running Mailman 3 with version 3.3.1 and in built > postfix > > version 2.10.1-6 on RHEL 7.5 in production environment from the past 2 > > months almost. > > > > From the past few days, I found my server is responding to the users > > very slowly and throwing the Server Error page (of course getting the > > required page after multiple refreshes) for almost every click on the > > postorius pages (not yet observed on hyperkitty front end which in fact > is > > not so important for me as of now). > > > > During that time, I observed in the mailman.log an error message > saying > > "Could not locate column in row for column 'user.id'". The complete > > traceback log is attached with the mail. The error message is generated > for > > almost all the lists and all the clicks. > > > I don't understand what's going on. I suspect some kind of database > corruption, but I don't know what. > > The traceback indicates Mailman is getting the Members of a list and in > this process is trying to get the display_name for a member. The > member's subscriber attribute doesn't have a display_name so it is > trying to get is from the member's user attribute so it is trying to get > the user record for the member's email address via > IUserManager.get_user(). This in turn gets the Address record for the > email address and returns it's user attribute. > > This leads to the > > sqlalchemy.exc.NoSuchColumnError: "Could not locate column in row for > column 'user.id'" > > error which I don't understand. There is no table with a 'user.id' > column. user.id refers to the id column in the user table which comes > from the user_id column in the address table which should be a reference > to the id column in the user table, not a reference to ay 'user.id' > column. > > What is your backend database and what is the structure of the address > table in that database. Have you done any kind of direct database query > that might have affected this? > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: OS upgrade - anything to take care of?

by Ruth Ivimey-Cook

Mark, While the venv will to a degree isolate you, my experience of the upgrade from 18 to 20 was that python3.6 was uninstalled and 3.8 installed. In this scenario, the mailman3 installation is subsequently broken because there is no python to run. It *is* possible to reinstall python3.6 after the dist upgrade is complete, and I would presume that after doing so mailman3 would probably resume ok. In my case I decided to continue using 3.8, which meant, in essence, rebuilding my mailman3 install -- not fun given my state of knowledge. I would therefore appreciate some guidance on performing the upgrade from 3.6 to 3.8 with the minimum of fuss. [I am not sure, but it could be possible to install python3.8 while using Ubuntu 18, so that the dist upgrade never breaks anything. Worth exploring.] Ruth On 13/05/2021 19:02, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 5/13/21 7:25 AM, Torge Riedel wrote: >> today I upgraded one of two servers from Ubuntu 18.04 to 20.04 and - >> besides some minor config updates - postfix & dovecot worked well >> afterwards. >> >> So I am very optimistic that the upgrade of the second server from 18.04 >> to 20.04 will also work fine. But the second server is running MM3 >> (installed in venv) and I saw that on upgrade Python 3.8 is installed. >> >> Is there anything I have to take care of? Anything to do / change in venv? > The venv will still run whatever Python it was built with. That's what > virtualenvs are for - to isolate the software therein from external changes. > > You shouldn't need to do anything in the venv for Mailman to continue. > > -- Software Manager & Engineer Tel: 01223 414180 Blog: http://www.ivimey.org/blog LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ruthivimeycook/

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman-web compress - Invalid template socialaccount/login_cancelled.html

by Danil Smirnov

Yes, confirmed, and it seems that the page at https://mailman.server/accounts/password/reset/done/ is also missing styling due to this bug. On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 9:41 PM Jered Floyd <jered(a)convivian.com> wrote: > > I believe this is correct, and will need to be fixed on the Mailman side. > The practical effects seem to be -- for me at least -- that any of the > pages for social logins fail to receive any template styling. > > --Jered > > ----- On Nov 8, 2023, at 10:01 AM, Jeremy Stanley fungi(a)yuggoth.org wrote: > > > On 2023-11-07 19:46:01 -0800 (-0800), Mark Sapiro wrote: > > [...] > >> I don't think this is fatal, but I have reported it at > >> https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/issues/3513 > > > > We've been seeing the same thing in our deployment, I just hadn't > > found the time to look into it yet. Looks like upstream won't-fixed > > it, so I guess it was an intentionally backward-incompatible change > > and the template files will need some minor reworking? > > -- > > Jeremy Stanley > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > Archived at: > > > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > > > This message sent to jered(a)convivian.com > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to danil(a)smirnov.la >

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot show archives

by qiuhong su

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 9/26/19 5:48 PM, Qiuhong.Su 蘇秋紅 wrote: > > Hi all, > > After I setup mailman3 and run mailman-suite, I can do: > > > > > > Register user > > > > Login > > > > Create new Domain > > > > Create new List > > > > Subscribe to the list > > When I try to send email to the list by run command: echo “test email” | mail –s “test > > email” test(a)example.com > > User test can receive this email, but I cannot find it on Archives, and other members > > cannot receive this email too. > > > > > > You say "User test can receive this email". Is test(a)example.com a user > or the list's posting address? > If you are saying that test(a)example.com should be the list's posting > address, but the mail is instead delivered to the user test(a)example.com, > you have not set up your MTA to properly deliver list mail to Mailman. > See https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.html. After check MTA settings, still cannot resolve this issue. I create a new list "list1", and after subscribe it, send an email to list1(a)example.com And then check ./var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/, ./var/messages Both are empty. Click "Archives" it will access http://example.com/hyperkitty/, and show "No archived list yet." Could you help me? Here is my mailman.cfg: ------------------------------------------------------------------ [mta] verp_configurations: yes verp_personalized_deliveries: yes verp_delivery_interval: 1 lmtp_host: example.com lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: example.com smtp_port: 25 [archiver.hyperkitty] class: mailman_hyperkitty.Archiver enable: yes configuration: /opt/mailman/mm/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg [archiver.prototype] enable: yes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My mailman-hyperkitty.cfg, example.com can be resolved to 10.0.0.120 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [general] base_url: http://10.0.0.120/hyperkitty api_key: SecretArchiverAPIKey -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In mailman-suite settings.py, already add '10.0.0.120' to MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = ( '127.0.0.1', '::1', '10.0.0.120' )

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: only show mail domains from web host on web-host-url

by Jens Günther

Thanks, already had a look at the issues and thought with the merge requests that it was solved :-) Maybe I have to update my mailman to 3.3.3 so that it does!? Or is it that you are saying that this hasn't been fixed but tried to and it didn't work!? Actually I see the logic of what you are talking about in the issues, but don't see if what happens with the code can be correct, since I'm unfortunately not a coder. Any other ideas how I could go on / help? This qould be a quite central feature for using mailman3 for us. Thanks anyway. Am 19.03.21 um 17:21 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 3/19/21 6:38 AM, Jens Günther wrote: >> Thank you for your answer. I should have seen that in the Docs, but >> somehow missed it: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/new/prodsetup.html >> >> I set it in the corresponding file, but unfortunately it doesn't work >> :-( I tried other setting to prove, that the file is used (ALLOWED_HOSTS >> works, changed here from '*' to 'localhost' and my example-domains, this >> works). It seems to be the same as this user describes (a while ago): >> https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… > > > FILTER_VHOST is problematic. It works fairly well for HyperKitty, but > not so well for Postorius. In particular with Postorius it doesn't work > if there is more than one mail host domain with the current web host. > See these issues and MRs for more detail. > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/254 > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/merge_requests/243/diffs > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/merge_requests/244/diffs > https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/394 > https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/500/diffs >

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty messages stuck in spool

by Mark Dadgar

On Nov 19, 2021, at 5:47 AM, Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io> wrote: > Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > >> Mark Sapiro writes: >>> On 11/18/21 6:38 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: >>>> >>>> Ok thanks for this. Its happening because the Gunicorn process > > running the Django server is being killed due to OOM > > conditions. Is there any settings I can change to > > troubleshoot/throttle this in Gunicorn or Django? >>> >>> I don't think there's anything that can be done in gunicorn or django > about this. This is an OS issue. You need to give the server more memory > or allocate a (bigger) swap file. >> >> If those things are difficult, depending on OS and the hardware, it may also be possible to tell the OS that gunicorn is an import process that should not be killed. But in the long run, the server needs more memory. > > Thanks for this it was due to changing cloud providers. My old provider I installed Debian from an ISO file which created the swap partition but on the new provider I used their cloud image with no swap. Swap now created and everything is back to normal. Its running on an instance with 2GB of RAM and based on how I am seeing the usage running I would see this as an absolute minimum for a standard Mailman 3 stack. I had this same experience on Digital Ocean. The short-term fix was enabling swap and the long-term fix was upping my service level to something with more memory. Without swap, I don’t think 2GB is realistically sufficient to run a full mm3 instance. The cloud providers really don’t like you to run swap because it hammers their SSDs. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman-web: ResponseNotReady

by Abhilash Raj

Hi, $ docker-compose rm -f mailman-web $ docker-compose up -d mailman-web This will basically create a new container for Mailman-web, but, since the state of mailman-web is stored completely in database (database container), I am not sure how to reset *just* mailman-web without dropping mailman-core related tables too (they share the same database but have their own separate tables). The above command will get you a fresh copy of code running. You can potentially get the list of tables and drop them, or maybe Diango has some way to reset it's state from Django shell (python manage.py shell, from inside mailman-web will get you shell). I may have to look it up. Also, just by looking at the traceback, I am not sure about the exact error. I may have to debug more to arrive at a better conclusion, which I won't able to do until after this weekend. Thanks, Abhilash On October 18, 2017 1:27:21 PM PDT, Dmitry Makovey <dmakovey(a)stanford.edu> wrote: >On 10/18/2017 12:28 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> On 10/18/2017 09:00 AM, Dmitry Makovey wrote: >>> >>> It seems like mailman-core is still operating properly, but for some >>> reason mailman-web is not. Can I reset mailman-web somehow to >re-initiate? >> >> >> I'm not very well versed in the docker images, but I think >mailman-web >> uses uWsgi and sending the uwsgi process a SIGHUP should do it. > >I think I didn't express myself clearly - I want to reset any saved >state for mailman-web - not just in-memory stuff. I've restarted my >setup several times with mailman-web having exact same problem every >time. > >-- >Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

7 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: spanish localization

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

On 14/2/21 18:42, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/14/21 3:21 AM, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: >> I did some exploration this morning (Spain time) in the weblate >> statistics and archives and I found that the changes done from >> Victoriano and me were recorded. I did a screencopy of all that if >> someone has any doubt about it. I downloaded this files: >> >> -rw-r--r-- 1 1002 wheel 11037 Feb 14 10:57 gnu-mailman-django-mailman3-es.po >> -rw-r--r-- 1 1002 wheel 34511 Feb 14 10:54 gnu-mailman-hyperkitty-es.po >> -rw-r--r-- 1 1002 wheel 143758 Feb 14 10:51 gnu-mailman-mailman-es.po >> -rw-r--r-- 1 1002 wheel 104997 Feb 14 10:49 gnu-mailman-postorius-es.po >> >> The thing is that they differ from the .po installed via pip upgrade. >> Mostly, as said, postorius, hyperkitty and django_mailman3. > > The latest packages in PyPI (pip) were released on Feb 2 except for > django-mailman3 which was released on Jan 15. They don't include updates > after those dates. > And I say that I (and others ) have made translations in postorius, hyperkitty an Django_mailman3 in January. Yes, I've made some changes in february 10th, but It were a pair of messages. But that's all about this from me. If in the next upgrade I find that there is any translation missing, I know, thanks to you and Victoriano, how to handle it. And if some new admin installs mailman 3 and try to localize it to spanish and comes to this list to ask how to do a more complete translation... well, these messages can point him or her to the right direction. My postorius web access to the lists is now almost completely translated to spanish and now I can help the users without hesitating language problems. Thanks. Thanks a lot.

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: restricting public lists per virtual domain

by David Newman

On 12/16/21 2:40 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 12/16/21 12:25 PM, David Newman wrote: >> Can lists set to be viewable on the index page be limited to the >> virtual domain they are a part of? >> > > > Have you set > > FILTER_VHOST = True > > in your Django settings? I had not, and this was the variable I was looking for. Thank you! This works for HyperKitty and works partially > for Postorius. For Postorius, it doesn't work if there are multiple > domains with different email hosts which have the visiting host as their > web host[1] but works otherwise. > > See https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/500 and > https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/394 > > In your case, as long as the domains lists.dom1.tld and lists.dom2.tld > have different mail hosts, this should work. > > [1] An example of what doesn't work in Postorius is the following: > > Visit https://lists.example.com/mailman3/lists. If there are 2 domains > with web host lists.example.com, one of which has mail host example.com > and the other has mail host lists.example.com, all lists will be shown > regardless of domain. On the other hand, if all the domains with web > host lists.example.com have the same email host, say example.com, then > only lists with email host example.com will be shown. Awhile back Stephen Turnbull suggested a terminology guide that included an MM3-specific definition of FQDNs. Also in an MM3 context, I think it would be useful to distinguish between mail hosts and web hosts and domains (all in the general Internet sense) and mail domains and sites (in the MM3/Django/Postorious/Hyperkitty sense). Not sure I fully understand these distinctions yet, but I can take a crack at it. dn

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: translating templates

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

On 16/2/21 22:47, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/16/21 2:59 AM, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: >> /usr/local/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman # ls templates/es >> domain:admin:notice:new-list.txt list:member:regular:header.txt >> help.txt list:user:action:invite.txt >> list:admin:action:post.txt list:user:action:subscribe.txt >> list:admin:action:subscribe.txt list:user:action:unsubscribe.txt >> list:admin:action:unsubscribe.txt list:user:notice:goodbye.txt >> list:admin:notice:disable.txt list:user:notice:hold.txt >> list:admin:notice:removal.txt list:user:notice:no-more-today.txt >> list:admin:notice:subscribe.txt list:user:notice:post.txt >> list:admin:notice:unrecognized.txt list:user:notice:probe.txt >> list:admin:notice:unsubscribe.txt list:user:notice:refuse.txt >> list:member:digest:header.txt list:user:notice:rejected.txt >> list:member:digest:masthead.txt list:user:notice:warning.txt >> list:member:generic:footer.txt list:user:notice:welcome.txt >> >> But mailman isn't aware of them (I restarted the server). May I have to >> execute some process as "compilemessages" to mailman be capable to use >> them? Now mailman is using the "en" templates for sure. > Does Mailman have permission to search the templates/es directory and > read the templates? They have exactly the same permissions that the other templates directories. > Are there overriding templates in Mailman's > var/templates/ directory? Not at all. > > Are you sure your tests access the templates in a Spanish language > context? Yes, I think so, but it could be that I'm missing something here. I double check this tomorrow as for your answer It seems there is no ulterior process as with messages. Anyway, I could just substitute all the en templates, but it's not the way to maintain language flexibility, you know :) Thanks for your answer P.S.: anyway, I did a merge request in gitlab as you advised. > >

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: search this list searches more then just this list

by Marco van Tol

Op 29 jan 2024, om 18:29 heeft Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> het volgende geschreven: > On 1/29/24 03:09, Marco van Tol wrote: >> Right now I’m back at the original issue as I see no other solution than to go back to whoosh. >> Thanks! >> Marco van Tol >> Paste: >> ---- >> Indexing 194620 emails >> [ERROR/MainProcess] Failed indexing 156001 - 157000 (retry 5/5): Term too long (> 245): XSUBJECThttp://www.google.com/url?q=%68%74%74%70%73%3a%2f%2f%68%64%72%65%64… (pid 32): Term too long (> 245): XSUBJECThttp://www.google.com/url?q=%68%74%74%70%73%3a%2f%2f%68%64%72%65%64… > > > I'm not sure why the patch you are using doesn't avoid this, but you could try the other patch at <https://github.com/alexsilva/xapian-haystack/commit/a53523d2d0d13929a0729d4…> instead. If that fails, you could always find the offending message in the database maybe with a query like > ``` > SELECT * FROM hyperkitty_email Where subject LIKE 'http://www.google.com/url?q=\%68\%74\%74%'; > ``` > and modify or delete it - it's probably spam anyway. I tried the other patch, which looked very promising until something that had come in over SMTP some day threw a spanner in the wheels: ``` [ERROR/MainProcess] Failed indexing 287001 - 288000 (retry 5/5): Term too long (> 245): XTEXTº@[åeèúp¢i*h{õimô;]>ò&žôyþiýã#dzç8"¹ë= ;æmyš€vqe.âés:æä>üzúõœ'âú·ž[]kzñ-µ€3æfdñù£8çô<bœkkñ/ãžæjïw¿òþp-ùšã7/'ûvksqé (pid 404): Term too long (> 245): XTEXTº@[ åeèúp¢i*h{õimô;]>ò&žôyþiýã#dzç8"¹ë=;æmyš€vqe.âés:æä>üzúõœ'âú·ž[]kzñ-µ€3æfdñù£8çô<bœkkñ/ãžæjïw¿òþp-ùšã7/' ûvksqé ``` I agree that this is very likely the result of some spam, but the main point is that something that comes in over SMTP shouldn’t cause manual work on the listserver side. I’ll try it with a maximum length of 122 which should never explode into more than 244 bytes, unless I overlook something. I really wish Xapian would have a reliable fix for this. Will keep you posted. Marco van Tol

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mixing Mailman 3 with AWS SES

by Jim Popovitch

On Wed, 2021-03-24 at 14:00 -0400, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-users wrote: > On Wed, 2021-03-24 at 10:57 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > On 3/24/21 7:58 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > > > On 3/24/21 9:54 AM, Ralph Weber wrote: > > > > Comments received directly from one of the people who developed the > > > > AWS Marketplace kits for Mailman 3 and Mailman 4 have definitively > > > > established that AWS Mailman is *not* intended to interact with AWS > > > > SES when receiving email messages > > > > > > I don't think there is a Mailman 4 and the person who is marketing his > > > services under that name is sending a confusing message to the public. > > > > Danil Smirnov owns both the mailman3.com and mailman4.com domains. > > Mailman 4 is apparently his branding of "Mailman 3 in AWS Marketplace". > > In response to our request, the following is included at the bottom of > > <https://mailman3.com/>;;: > > > > Mailman3.com (this site) is unaffiliated with Mailman3.org, the domain > > used to coordinate development of the Mailman 3 free software suite. The > > Mailman 3 core developers are not involved with Mailman3.com, and cannot > > answer any questions or provide any support related to its operations. > > If you are looking for resources for development of the Mailman 3 free > > software suite, please see mailman3.org. > > > > Yes, this is all ripe for confusion ... > > Just to add, Danil also owns mailman2.com, and I own (and parked) > mailman2.org. Apologies to this list and Danil who has informed me that mailman2.com is not theirs. This of course means that there is another stakeholder out there somewhere.... ;) -Jim P.

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: A little stuck with installation of MM3 - ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'flufl.lock'

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 02:49, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 7/26/20 9:12 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > On Sun, 26 Jul 2020 at 18:48, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > >> On 7/26/20 3:15 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > >> > >>> There is still some confusion on my part about the directives in the > file > >>> so allow me to seek some clarifications. > >>> > >>> The following are the contents of a file I have created and placed in > my > >>> Apache Includes/ directory. > >>> I was hoping that with it, I can now access http://lists.my.server/mm3 > >> and > >>> get the UI. > >>> > >>> <CUT> > >>> > >>> # Global section > >>> WSGIDaemonProcess mailman-web display-name=mailman-web > >>> maximum-requests=1000 umask=0002 user=mailman3 \ > >>> group=mailman3 > >>> > >> > python-path=/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages:/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7 > >>> \ > >>> python-home=/opt/mailman/mm/venv home=/opt/mailman/mm/var > >>> WSGIRestrictSignal Off > >>> > >>> <VirtualHost *:80> > >>> ServerName lists.my.server > >>> ServerAdmin odhiambo(a)gmail.com > >>> > >>> # (I'm not sure that WSGIRestrictSignal Off is required, but it was in > >> the > >>> # provided example so I kept it. I also made changes to > WSGIDaemonProcess > >>> # based on my own mod_wsgi experience elsewhere.) > >>> > >>> ErrorLog /var/log/myserver-error.log > >>> LogLevel debug > >>> > >>> # This goes in the VirtualHost block for the domain. > >>> > >>> # Mailman 3 stuff > >>> Alias /static "/var/spool/mailman-web/static" *<----- Where is this > >>> directory supposed to be and what/who creates it and with what > >> permissions?* > >> > >> > >> It is created/updated by the mailman-post-update script based on CONFDIR > >> and STATIC_DIR. > >> > > > > The fact that I have run the mailman-post-update script and these > > directories aren't created means there is a problem in my setup, yes? > > > If your mailman-post-update script is essentially the same as > < > https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience?action=At… > > > and it ran successfully, it would have created opt/mailman/mm/static and > populated it. What was the output when you ran it? > > > Yes, I have these files: > > (venv) [root@gw /opt/mailman/mm]# ls -al /opt/mailman/mm/settings* > > -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman3 wheel 15518 Jul 25 14:34 > > /opt/mailman/mm/settings.py > > -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman3 wheel 15773 Jul 26 10:33 > > /opt/mailman/mm/settings_local.py > > > Is there an empty /opt/mailman/mm/__init__.py file? > No. root@gw:/usr/local/mailman # ls -al /opt/mailman/mm/ total 88 drwxr-xr-x 8 mailman3 wheel 512 Jul 26 14:55 . drwxr-xr-x 6 mailman3 wheel 512 Jul 26 18:38 .. drwxr-xr-x 8 root wheel 512 Jul 25 22:16 .sass-cache drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman3 wheel 512 Jul 26 16:35 __pycache__ drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman3 wheel 512 Jul 25 14:42 bin -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman3 wheel 248 Jul 25 14:37 gunicorn.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman3 wheel 266 Jul 26 15:34 gunicorn.conf.py lrwxr-xr-x 1 mailman3 wheel 24 Jul 25 14:39 logs -> /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman3 wheel 370 Jul 25 14:32 mailman-hyperkitty.cfg -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman3 wheel 1291 Jul 26 17:12 mailman.cfg -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman3 wheel 15518 Jul 25 14:34 settings.py -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman3 wheel 15805 Jul 26 21:22 settings_local.py drwxr-xr-x 9 mailman3 wheel 512 Jul 25 22:16 static -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman3 wheel 1395 Jul 25 14:35 urls.py drwxr-xr-x 12 mailman3 wheel 512 Jul 26 19:30 var drwxr-xr-x 5 mailman3 wheel 512 Jul 26 17:11 venv -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman3 wheel 1170 Jul 26 11:39 wsgi.py > > > PS: I made my /opt/mailman to be owned by mailman3:wheel because of a > > confusion with the instructions at some point in the reading > > of some documentation previously (in my previous attempt last year!) and > > had noted that in my NOTES. I'll change this once things get clear for > me. > > Also, the fact that one of the init scripts > > < > https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience?action=At… > > > > in your "reflection" page was calling sudo :) > > > It does `sudo -u $USER ...` so that it runs Mailman as the Mailman user > as it should. Have you set > > USER=mailman3 > in yours? > Yes. However, that also means the /opt/mailman should be owned by mailman3, right? So I wasn't quite mistaken. PS: There is the issue with qcluster, which doesn't seem to have been documented in details from your "experience". I see the configuration file and the init script, but not how to install it, or whether the procedure already installed it. Kindly clarify. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-)

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: mailman admin (django) interface does not work anymore after deleting website example.com

by Abhilash Raj

On Sun, Mar 10, 2019, at 9:00 AM, Torge Riedel wrote: > Am 10.03.19 um 16:44 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > > On 3/10/19 8:18 AM, Torge Riedel wrote: > >> I deleted the existing "example.com" and added a new one > >> "lists.mydomain.de". > >> > >> Now the admin (django) interface always gives "An error occurred while > >> processing your request". After one of the first navigation clicks I saw > >> a message that "site with id 1 is missing". > > > > In your Django settings your have > > > > SITE_ID = 1 > > > > which pointed to the example.com domain you deleted. > > > > You need to override this in settings_local.py. Probably > > > > SITE_ID = 2 > > > > but if that doesn't work, try '0' > > > Ah, thank you Mark. That makes a kind of sense. I changed the database > directly to fix it. And renamed example.com to lists.mydomain.de. Now > the error is gone. > > I'm wondering why the initial database set up of postorius (?) adds > "example.com". Is there a way to directly add my domain instead? > Somewhere in settings_local.py? Django does that and there doesn't seem to be a way to override that to something else during initial migration. Or nothing I have found yet. Only way is to edit "example.com" to something you'd like or add another domain entry and change SITE_ID to point o that. > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

6 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem updating mailman

by Brian Carpenter

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 1/24/21 1:03 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > I uninstalled rubygem-sass from the OS. I don't > > remember consciously > > installing that because it was never in the guide I followed (which is your > > own writeup). > > But I still have a problem: > > (venv) [mailman3@gw ~/mm]$ /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman-post-update > > > > '[' False == False ']' > > mkdir -p /opt/mailman/mm/static > > /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin collectstatic --clear --noinput > > --verbosity 0 > > /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin compress > > CommandError: An error occurred during rendering > > /opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_mailman3-1.3.5-py3.7.egg/django_mailman3/templates/socialaccount/signup.html: > > /bin/sh: sass: not found > > > > You can't just uninstall rubygem-sass. You have to replace it. Here's > one recipe for Ubuntu > cd /usr/local/lib > # See https://github.com/sass/dart-sass/releases/tag/1.32.5 for the > # appropriate version. > wget > https://github.com/sass/dart-sass/releases/download/1.32.5/dart-sass-1.32.5-... > sudo tar -xf dart-sass-1.32.5-linux-x64.tar.gz > sudo chmod -R o-w dart-sass > sudo ln -s dart-sass/sass /usr/local/bin/sass > rm dart-sass-1.32.5-linux-x64.tar.gz > Then you should see the command > sass --version > prints > 1.32.5 > Then, because dart-sass doesn't recognize the short form -t option for > --style, you have to edit your settings(_local).py and change > COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = ( > ('text/x-scss', 'sass -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), > ('text/x-sass', 'sass -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), > ) > to > COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = ( > ('text/x-scss', 'sass --style compressed {infile} {outfile}'), > ('text/x-sass', 'sass --style compressed {infile} {outfile}'), > ) I had to do a new installation of Mailman 3 with Postorius/Hyperkitty today and these directions were very helpful. Thank you, Mark.

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Template for Password Reset Email

by Mark

On 2024-11-18 01:38, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/17/24 16:57, Mark wrote: >> >> I can see the French text for the "Password Reset Email" in the >> django.po file. And running the compilemessages command reports the >> "django.po" for French is okay and up to date. Should I be recompiling >> the ".mo" file? > > No, It's fine. The issue is the language context for this message has > nothing to do with any Mailman list's preferred language. > > Again, see > https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/5.1/topics/i18n/translation/#how-django-d… > > If all the lists on your server are French, you could set > > LANGUAGE_CODE = 'fr' > > in your Django settings. Otherwise, the user's browser has to include > an Accept-Language: header specifying French as the most preferred > language in it's request. > > Also note the ordering of SessionMiddleware, LocaleMiddleware and > CommonMiddleware in the above doc. I have recently updated the various > places where we suggest or supply MIDDLEWARE settings, but you may > find that your settings have LocaleMiddleware after CommonMiddleware > and you should fix that. It's just the one list that is using French. Others are in English I've edited the order of the middleware settings in this file ... /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman_web/settings/base.py I reordered as below, restarted everything but no joy :-( ... at Line 76 ... MIDDLEWARE = ( 'allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware', 'django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware', ) ... I'm thinking this is not the file I'm looking for. Apologies for my cluelessness here.

8 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: FILTER_VHOST fix - was: Postorius & multi domain

by Gilles Filippini

Mark Sapiro a écrit le 23/04/2020 à 19:02 : > On 4/23/20 2:48 AM, Gelpi Andrea wrote: >> >> I saw the change in the file. >> >> As I'm not a programmer How can I test your fix? >> >> My system was installed via Debian 10 stable repository. >> >> I upgrade with testing repository postorius, django and mailmanclinet >> >> Postorius V 1.3.2 >> Django V. 2.2.12 >> Django filters V 2.1.0 >> Djanog mailman V 1.3.2 >> mailmanclient V 3.3.0 > > > I don't know where the Debian package puts things, but you have to find > the location of postorius/views/list.py. Something like > > locate views/list.py On debian this file is part of the python3-django-postorius package, and is installed here: /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/views/list.py > > should find it. Then you need to download > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/500.diff> and > edit it to remove the first 15 lines so the first remaining line is the > > diff --git a/src/postorius/views/list.py b/src/postorius/views/list.py > > line. Then make a backup copy of postorius/views/list.py and run the command > > patch postorius/views/list.py path/to/500.diff > > where postorius/views/list.py is actually the full path to > postorius/views/list.py and 500.diff is the edited file you downloaded. You'll have also to remove the compiled files from the __pycache__ directory: $ sudo rm /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/views/__pycache__/list.cpython-*.pyc > Then restart uWSGI. If anything goes wrong, restore your backup copy of > postorius/views/list.py and restart uWSGI. The best way to restore is to force the re-installation of the package: $ sudo apt-get install --reinstall python3-django-postorius It will take care of the compilation part. _g.

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: config incoming email in my domain cpanel

by Rafael Mora

Hello! Just to let you know, the problem with the email reception was that I was thinking that the email was coming from my hostgator panel, but I was wrong, it's coming from Google (as I use gmail) so that was the problem, I have to open the port 25 to any computer not just my hostgator server.. Have a great day. Bye. On Thu, Aug 3, 2017, 16:25 tlhackque via Mailman-users < mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > On 03-Aug-17 17:14, Rafael Mora wrote: > > > > > > El jue., 3 ago. 2017 a las 16:07, tlhackque via Mailman-users > > (<mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org>>) > > escribió: > > > > You've said you're working with labbrands.com <http://labbrands.com > >. > > > > labbrands.com <http://labbrands.com> has address > 192.185.51.89 > > mail.labbrands.com <http://mail.labbrands.com> has address > > 192.185.51.89 > > www.labbrands.com <http://www.labbrands.com> is an alias for > > labbrands.com <http://labbrands.com>. > > > > telnet proves that Exim is running on that IP address. Either you're > > running it, or hostgator is redirecting the SMTP ports. > > > > You added: > > lists.labbrands.com <http://lists.labbrands.com> has address > > 190.145.27.66 > > > > Presumably that's a different machine. > > > > So that now needs an MX record, and a firewall routing. > > > > > > I added the MX record on our hostgator hosting like this: > > image.png > > > > Is it correct??? > > > No. And sending images to the mailing list doesn't get you help. > > You set up lists.labbrands.com as a secondary server, not an independent > mail domain. This will cause you serious grief. > > You need to get some help from a more suitable list. Setting this up is > not mailman-specific, and getting it right is more than a quick note. > > Try the Postfix documentation & mailing lists. > > > > > > > And the SPF > > records ... and spam and virus filters, and all the other stuff > > you need > > to setup an independent, public-facing smtp server. > > > > But at least you won't have to relay. > > > > Good luck. > > > > On 03-Aug-17 16:55, Rafael Mora wrote: > > > El jue., 3 ago. 2017 a las 15:49, tlhackque via Mailman-users (< > > > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org>>) > > escribió: > > > > > >> I think you're confused. > > >> > > >> You already have mail.labbrands.com <http://mail.labbrands.com> > > set up as the MX record for > > >> labbrands.com <http://labbrands.com>. And it has an A record > > with the same address as your > > >> webserver. > > >> > > > I'm working with the hostgator mailserver, we are not running a > > local > > > mailserver. > > > > > > As suggested I added an A record like this: > > > [image: image.png] > > > > > > Is it correct? is it redirecting to my Ip so I can redirect it to > my > > > postfix/mm3 server? > > > > > > > > >> So if you're getting e-mail on that domain, there's another e-mail > > >> server running on that IP address. You can't have 2 servers > > on port > > >> 25. In that case, as has been noted before, you'll need to setup > a > > >> relay in that server, not a firewall redirect. Depending on > > your MTA, > > >> you would need to relay to your internal server. And make sure > > your > > >> firewall setup allows your MTA to do this. > > >> > > >> We can see it's EXIM: > > >> > > >> telnet mail.labbrands.com <http://mail.labbrands.com> 25 > > >> Trying 192.185.51.89... > > >> Connected to mail.labbrands.com <http://mail.labbrands.com> > > (192.185.51.89). > > >> Escape character is '^]'. > > >> help > > >> 220-gator4137.hostgator.com > > <http://220-gator4137.hostgator.com> ESMTP Exim 4.87 #1 Thu, 03 > > Aug 2017 15:47:48 > > >> -0500 > > >> 220-We do not authorize the use of this system to transport > > unsolicited, > > >> 220 and/or bulk e-mail. > > >> 214-Commands supported: > > >> 214 AUTH STARTTLS HELO EHLO MAIL RCPT DATA NOOP QUIT RSET HELP > > >> quit > > >> 221 gator4137.hostgator.com <http://gator4137.hostgator.com> > > closing connection > > >> Connection closed by foreign host. > > >> > > >> Or, consolidate all your e-mail to one server - which is a lot > > easier to > > >> manage unless you have a really big operation. Postfix is > > probably the > > >> right choice, but requires more setup. > > >> > > >> Although Mailman3 configuration is not well documented (as you've > > >> discovered), you may want to get help from someone with more > > general > > >> network and mail experience. You're now into territory that is, > as > > >> Simon indicated, not Mailman-specific. > > >> > > >> On 03-Aug-17 16:28, Rafael Mora wrote: > > >>> El jue., 3 ago. 2017 a las 15:26, Mark Sapiro > > (<mark(a)msapiro.net <mailto:mark@msapiro.net>>) > > >> escribió: > > >>>> On 08/03/2017 01:22 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > >>>>> El jue., 3 ago. 2017 a las 15:18, Mark Sapiro > > (<mark(a)msapiro.net <mailto:mark@msapiro.net>>) > > >>>> escribió: > > >>>>>> You need to forward port 25 for SMTP mail delivery and if > > you want the > > >>>>>> web UI (Postorius and HyperKitty) accessible from the > > outside, port 80 > > >>>>>> for http and/or port 443 for https > > >>>>>> < > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > https://www.iana.org/assignments/service-names-port-numbers/service-names-p… > > >>>>>>> . > > >>>>> I mean for incoming mail redirected from my hostgator > > hosting, because > > >>>> when > > >>>>> I suscribe an email address MM3 sends a confirmation email, > > so I have > > >> to > > >>>>> reply to be suscribed to the list. > > >>>> As I said, for mail delivery you need to forward port 25 to > > the Mailman > > >>>> server. > > >>>> > > >>> Ok so I'll redirect in my zentyal firewall the port 25 to my > local > > >> centos7 > > >>> with postfix and MM3 with IP 192.168.1.42. Thanks Mark. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net <mailto:mark@msapiro.net>> > > The highway is for gamblers, > > >>>> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - > > B. Dylan > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> Mailman-users mailing list > > >>>> mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org> > > >>>> > > > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > >>>> > > >> -- > > >> This communication may not represent my employer's views, > > >> if any, on the matters discussed. > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Mailman-users mailing list > > >> mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org> > > >> > > > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > >> > > > > -- > > This communication may not represent my employer's views, > > if any, on the matters discussed. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailman-users mailing list > > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org> > > > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > > > -- > > > > Atentamente / Best Regards > > > > Ing. Rafael Mora > > > > -- > This communication may not represent my employer's views, > if any, on the matters discussed. > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

7 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Apache+mod_wsgi issue

by Odhiambo Washington

On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 11:23 AM Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > > El 26/12/22 a las 23:57, Mark Sapiro escribió: > > ... > >> I don't want to put more noise in the list. But I'm confused because > >> I always updated via pip the apache mod_wsgi thinking is was needed > >> for my configuration. If it is not, I will stop updating it. > > > > Based on the above you ARE using Apache mod_wsgi and if you are still > > also running uwsgi as > > > > /usr/local/bin/uwsgi --ini /usr/local/mailman3/uwsgi.ini & > > > > that is unnecessary. > > It clarifies a pair of things. Thanks a lot. > > I'll try deactivating that in one of my servers (the "quieter" one) and > see how it goes. > > Again, thanks for your kind support. > I have actually deactivated mine, and life is still good with my MM3. And just so that my mind is in the clear, there are three ways of getting the full MM3 functionality, viz: 1. Mailman core, Django's cluster, and Gunicorn 2. Mailman core, Django's cluster, and uWSGI 3. Mailman core, Django's cluster, and mod_wsgi And something that has not been quite clear to me: What is the purpose of Django's cluster in all this? I am asking because on my FreeBSD server, I usually see not less than 30 PIDs for: /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/django-admin qcluster --pythonpath /opt/mailman/mm/ --settings settings (python3.9) And there is a time I found it having 240 PIDs. Would there be a problem if I limit the number of workers to "8"? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Setting up Admin Account

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Pierre Abbat writes: > On Friday, November 17, 2017 1:51:15 PM EST Simon Hanna wrote: > > You are not supposed to create the directory mailman-suite_project but > > clone the mailman-suite project from gitlab and use it. > > None of the manage.py commands listed by your search are the right ones. > > The correct one is the one included in the repository of mailman-suite > > It appears that setting up Mailman 3 requires knowledge of Django, which I > don't have. I'm going to try something else. You're welcome to do so since you know your needs better than we do, but please allow me to advise you that running Mailman 3 in most cases doesn't require knowledge of Django as long as (1) you follow the instructions *exactly*, and of course (2) assuming those instructions are correct. Mailman 3 being just on the edge of becoming the industry standard for mailing list managers, yes, assumption (2) is occasionally violated. In my experience, (1) is a more frequent source of user troubles. Either way, we[1] are one heck of a lot faster at responding than most commercial and open source products when users have trouble. And we do have reason to lay claim to "industry standard". Footnotes: [1] By "we" I really mean Mark Sapiro, Abhilash Raj, and off and on Simon Hanna. It's rare that it takes as much as 24 hours to get attention from one of them, and if Mark can handle it, usually you get an immediate solution. I haven't been able to keep up for months, but I hope to get back into the rotation soonish (in the new year). -- Associate Professor Division of Policy and Planning Science http://turnbull/sk.tsukuba.ac.jp/ Faculty of Systems and Information Email: turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tel: 029-853-5175 Tennodai 1-1-1, Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN

7 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Bug in email.generator:_handle_text? [was: store/export existing Mailman lists ...]

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Oops, premature send. I did grep through the whole mailman core code base for "del", and didn't come up with anything that looks like it would delete fields like Content-Type and Message-ID (assuming the default for anonymous_list_keep_headers, I wish I had thought to ask about that, but who changes it?) I assumed Content-Type is modified by direct assignment in handlers that delete parts or transform them to a different MIME type. I wonder if his Python is old enough to not recognize negated regexps? That should be logged in errors. Or (as you guessed), the '(?!x-)' regexp (or the whole content of anonymous_list_keep_headers) has been removed? Stephen J. Turnbull writes: > Mark Sapiro writes: > > > This apparently confuses the Python email package so that the > > get_payload() method returns a list of strings rather than a list of > > message objects. > > Yes, I got that far too. I'm guessing that in the absence of a > Content-Type, which then *should* default to text/plain, the email > package goes ahead and detects the MIME headers anyway (although I > don't think it should do that) and breaks the message into MIME > parts. I would think we'd raise an Exception here. > > If there's a reason for the email package to do that detection > (*shrug*, it seems to work), then the dispatching in _handle_text > should be done on the Python type rather than the MIME Content-Type. > > I forget exactly how the code is structured, the relevant dispatching > may be in _dispatch or in _dispatch_meth. > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Huge performance issue: Mailman doesn't (seem to) receive any mails.

by Henrik Rasmussen

Abhilash Raj wrote: > On Wed, Sep 18, 2019, at 8:14 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > each other, but Postfix is trying to deliver mail via lmtp to > > [172.19.199.2]:8024. Mailman's lmtp runner should be running and > > listening on port 8024. Either that is not the case or that port is not > > exposed to Postfix on IP 172.19.199.2. > > Right, that is what I was wondering, you verify that by using telnet > on the specified IP and Port (172.19.199.2:8024). Yes, the postfix container listens on 172.19.199.2:8024 ``` [root@postfix /]# nc -v 172.19.199.2 8024 Ncat: Version 7.50 ( https://nmap.org/ncat ) Ncat: Connected to 172.19.199.2:8024. 220 mailman-core GNU Mailman LMTP runner 2.0 ``` > docker-compose ps lists all the running containers, do you see all > the containers running? That also seem to be okay ``` [root@lstapp01pl ~]# docker ps CONTAINER ID IMAGE COMMAND CREATED STATUS PORTS NAMES bddc80799b8c maxking/mailman-web:0.2 "docker-entrypoint.sh" 16 hours ago Up 16 hours 8000/tcp, 8080/tcp mailman-web be098b18aeca maxking/mailman-core:0.2 "docker-entrypoint.sh" 16 hours ago Up 16 hours 8001/tcp, 8024/tcp mailman-core c47fd8ccf19d postgres:9.6 "docker-entrypoint.sh" 16 hours ago Up 16 hours 5432/tcp mailman_database_1 699264501acd mailman3-mime_htmlizer "container-entrypoint" 16 hours ago Up 16 hours 8080/tcp postmime 90f381a74709 mailman3-postfix:v1.1 "./entrypoint.sh" 16 hours ago Up 16 hours 0.0.0.0:465->465/tcp, 0.0.0.0:587->587/tcp, 0.0.0.0:26->25/tcp postfix ``` And netstat in the mailman-core container shows: ``` Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State tcp 0 0 172.19.199.2:8024 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN` ``` > You mentioned that Mailman is not receiving enough emails, do you get > any emails from Mailman? I am trying to see if this is a perf problem > or if Mailman's LMTP isn't reachable at all. Mailman do send out mails like when someone signs up for an account. Thanks to both.

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Speed up importing mailman2 lists

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 2/19/25 06:08, t.maintz(a)fz-juelich.de wrote: > > We are currently planning to migrate from mailman2 to mailman3 as > > a container, have around 1500 lists and would like to complete > > the migration ideally in a few hours. I've done two massive migrations in the last year. In the first (~20k lists), the lists were down for maybe two hours, but it took 22 hours for HyperKitty to populate, mostly in Xapian indexing we realized in post-mortem analysis. In the second (~1k lists), no perceptible downtime because they have their own bespoke archiver that has a list-manager-agnostic API. The trick to zero delivery downtime is that you can configure your MTA to route to Mailman 3 if the list exists there, if not route to Mailman 2 if the list exists there, and if not continue to any lower priority routes. It worked as designed (mops sweat off brow ;-). We did take Postorius and the Mailman 2 management CGIs and email command addresses offline for the duration (3 hours in the first case, 30 mminutes in the second). This is sraightforward if Mailman 2 and Mailman 3 are running on the same host. Life is more complex if you're spinning up Mailman 3 in a separate node but it should be possible. I think if you're migrating to HyperKitty you can speed up the migration by shutting off indexing, and doing that later at the cost of confusing people who expect the lists to be indexed. I'm not sure if it's possible to migrate the archives concurrently with accepting new posts, or maybe to migrate archives in advance and backfill any posts that arrive during the list migration. And there's no reason why you can't leave the legacy Mailman 2 archives up for browsing as a backup for as long as needed. Steve

5 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Invalid FilterAction: discard. Treating as discard

by Henrik Rasmussen

Mark Sapiro wrote: > I don't understand the question? Are you asking why the log contains > "invalid FilterAction: discard. Treating as discard"? If so, that's a No, that was just log messages I thought would help explain the problem. > If you are asking why the message is empty after filtering and > discarded, It is presumably because it is a text/html message as opposed > to a multipart/alternative message with text/plain and text/html > alternative parts. The Content-Type of the mail sent to the list is multipart/mixed From: SENDER <sender(a)senderdep.example.com> To: "LISTNAME(a)lists.example.com" <LISTNAME(a)lists.example.com> Subject: =?utf-8?B?QW50cm9wb2xvZ2VyIGkgcHJha3NpczogVGlsbWVsZGluZyDDpWJlbg==?= Thread-Topic: =?utf-8?B?QW50cm9wb2xvZ2VyIGkgcHJha3NpczogVGlsbWVsZGluZyDDpWJlbg==?= Thread-Index: AdT/QIb18JA+6hcSTYycFCI+5NuYoQEwPZ/Q Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 13:53:23 +0200 Message-ID: <250E794B36C1E646AF3D81E1F15348C79DA8CA83(a)P2KITMBX06WC03.unicph.domain> Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-Exchange-Organization-SCL: -1 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_006_250E794B36C1E646AF3D81E1F15348C79DA8CA83P2KITMBX06WC03u_" MIME-Version: 1.0 > There are list attributes filter_types and pass_types (also > filter_extensions and pass_extensions, but those probably aren't My Python isn't that great, but this looks like i'm missing something >>> m.filter_content True >>> m.pass_types <generator object pass_types at 0x7f66d407bba0> >>> m.filter_extensions <generator object filter_extensions at 0x7f66d407bdb0> m.pass_extensions <generator object pass_extensions at 0x7f66d407be08> > Presumably, the combination of filter_types and pass_types is not > allowing text/html. I am thinking that as the "Filter content" (postorius) refers to "the settings below", this setting is needed in case list admin wants an explicit reply-to address or change other switches in Alter Messages. But this shouldn't affect the content, even it is text/html, I think, at least not emptying the mail, I think. > You need to examine these settings in mailman shell, e.g. > > list(m.pass_types) >>> list(m.pass_types) ['multipart/mixed', 'multipart/alternative', 'text/plain'] -- Henrik Rasmussen

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 on debian - redirect problem

by Gelpi Andrea

Il 28/04/20 18:31, Mark Sapiro ha scritto: > On 4/27/20 8:17 AM, Gelpi Andrea wrote: >> Hi, >> on a debian10 I have mm3 installed via apt-get >> >> apt-get install mailman3-full >> dpkg-reconfigure mailman3 >> dpkg-reconfigure mailman3-web >> >> I have this minor issue >> >> https://webserver/mailman3 redirects to >> http://webserver/mailman/postorius/lists/ >> >> that doesn't exist. >> >> The same problem form django admin page to return to lists >> >> https://website/mailman3/admin/sites/site >> >> In the upper right corner I have a link to https://webserver/mailman3 >> that redirects to https://mailman/postorius/lists/ >> >> I searched for a redirect but without success. > > > The redirection must be a web server issue. > > There is a urls.py file probably in the same directory as your django > settings - probably /usr/share/mailman3-web/urls.py in your case. > > You can make a URL like http://webserver/mailman/postorius/lists/ work > by adding > > url(r'^mailman/postorius/', include('postorius.urls')), > > to the urlpatterns list in the urls.py file. > > The problem seems to be inside the uwsgi proxy. Also django admin web interface has the some problem. I add /mailman in the apache mailman config installed by the debian package. --------------------------------------- Alias /mailman3/favicon.ico /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/postorius/img/favicon.ico Alias /mailman3/static /var/lib/mailman3/web/static <Directory "/var/lib/mailman3/web/static"> Require all granted </Directory> <IfModule mod_proxy_uwsgi.c> ProxyPass /mailman3/favicon.ico ! ProxyPass /mailman3/static ! ProxyPass /mailman3 unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost/ ProxyPass /mailman unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost/ </IfModule> ------------------------------------- -- Gelpi ing. Andrea -------------------------------------------------------------- It took the computing power of three C-64s to fly to the Moon. It takes a 486 to run Windows 95. Something is wrong here. --------------------------------------------------------------

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Unknown templates being used

by Tom Stoddard

On 2/14/2021 1:31 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > That message is not built from a template. It comas from the `mailman > notify` command which currently says > ```> def _send_notice(mlist, count, detail): >> """Creates and sends the notice to the list administrators.""" >> subject = _('The {} list has {} moderation requests waiting.').format( >> mlist.fqdn_listname, count) >> # XXX This should be a template. >> text = _("""The {} list has {} moderation requests waiting. > ``` > I.e., we know it should be a template, but it currently isn't. That's fine but it doesn't explain why I have received messages that were built by a template for some subscription requests. In other words, why is there a template being used in some instances and on others a "mailman notify command" is being used? Are there different methods for people to use to request a subscription? Please understand that I'm new to mailman 3 and don't have knowledge of its source code. From reading some of the messages that have been sent by this list, I assume it's written in python, which is a language I have not year learned. I'm asking this because I help to administer several different lists and there are some other moderators who have very limited technical skills. I try to help them the best I can, which is why I'm trying to understand why these messages seem to differ so that I can explain it to others. By the way, Brian at EMWD has been extremely helpful to me already and, as he stated, he informed me that this is an issue with Mailman 3 so I thought I'd try getting the answer directly from this group. Thank you for your time. I do recognize and appreciate the time and effort that goes into creating and maintaining open source software.

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 is wrongly display name a list member

by Allan Hansen

Thank you, Mark. I have Postorius Version 1.3.4 I see no 'Users' in Postorius, but I do see it in Django. I'll assume that my Postorius is out of date and will take steps to update it. Yours, Allan On 1/11/22, 10:38 , "Mark Sapiro" <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: On 1/11/22 9:24 AM, Allan Hansen wrote: > Thank youi, Stephen. > > Oops. When I wrote below that I set the name 'B' in the account, I did describe it wrongly. Sorry. > The member just wants one name, 'A' for all her subsriptions. Somehow the 'B' got into the system when we upgraded from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3. > > I removed the address from all the lists, set the account display name to 'A' in Django, verified that she was not subscribed to any list at all, and then resubscribed her again as 'A'. In other words, no 'B' anywhere - straight 'A's. > Nevertheless, the new subscriptions still show up as 'B'. A user has a user record and one or more address records. Each of these has a display name. Removing users from lists does not remove these records. If you have recent Postorius, you should have a `users` item at the top of Postorius pages. Go there, find the user and click "Manage". You can change Display Name there. Otherwise, in `mailman shell` for example ``` >>> usr = getUtility(IUserManager).get_user('user(a)example.com') >>> usr.display_name = 'First Last' >>> for adr in usr.addresses: ... adr.display_name = 'First Last' ... >>> commit() ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailserver Log entries following through mailman?

by Andreas Barth

* Mark Sapiro (mark(a)msapiro.net) [231110 23:54]: > On 11/10/23 12:39, Andreas Barth wrote: > > > >is there some way to find an ID to follow an email through mailman? In > >the exim logfile there is only something like C="250 Ok" (whereas in > >mails sent to another exim there is something like C="250 OK id=…"). > >(What I sometimes need to do is to follow an mail whether it is sent > >through mailman and to where.) > > Every message should have a unique Message-ID: header. According to > my reading of https://www.exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/ch-log_files.html > Exim should create a => log entry with an id= field containing the > Message-ID when the message is received for delivery to Mailman and > another similar entry when the message is received from Mailman for > delivery to one or more list members. There is the message-id as part of the mail itself, and set by the user. That one is not unique, e.g. if a mail is bounced to the list. Exim has an internal id, and that is also part of the log (also if a mail is delivered to a remote mailserver, the id there is logged). This works fine. However, mailman doesn't have an internal id I can use to follow the message (or at least, it doesn't transfer one to exim upon delivery). I can indeed use the user set message id for following mail. However, I would prefer some internal id, and also to have logged the IDs exim (or probably any other MTA) transmits upon delivering the mails when handing the mails over to the MTA again. (Probably in some format as "mailman-ID recepient MTA-id" so that it's easy for me to grep for message if a user complains.) Regards, Andi

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: templates

by Christian

Okay I sent a test message this morning and subscribers are reporting they did not receive it. The smtp.log shows 'smtp to degrowcali(a)lists.ccalternatives.org for 25 recips, completed in 3276.275292634964 seconds' (see below) I alone received it however and it is listed in the archive. Below is the excerpt from smtp.log. Two of my 5 lists are exhibiting this behavior, while 2 other lists are working normally. Please advise. Thank you. root@zarathustra:/opt/mailman/mm/var/logs# vi smtp.log May 05 08:09:24 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 48706) recip: degrowcali-bounces+vortexanthony=hotmail.com(a)lists.ccalternatives.org May 05 08:09:24 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 48706) >> b'DATA' May 05 08:09:24 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 48706) >> b'QUIT' May 05 08:09:24 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 48706) connection lost May 05 08:09:24 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 48706) Connection lost during _handle_client() May 05 08:11:35 2023 (768) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin) May 05 08:11:35 2023 (768) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 60312) May 05 08:11:35 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 60312) handling connection May 05 08:11:35 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 60312) >> b'LHLO zarathustra.ccalternatives.org' May 05 08:11:35 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 60312) >> b'MAIL FROM:<> SIZE=9885 BODY=8BITMIME' May 05 08:11:35 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 60312) sender: <> May 05 08:11:35 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 60312) >> b'RCPT TO:<degrowcali-bounces+alaitz.aritza=gmail.com(a)lists.ccalternatives.org>' May 05 08:11:35 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 60312) recip: degrowcali-bounces+alaitz.aritza=gmail.com(a)lists.ccalternatives.org May 05 08:11:35 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 60312) >> b'DATA' May 05 08:11:35 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 60312) >> b'QUIT' May 05 08:11:35 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 60312) connection lost May 05 08:11:35 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 60312) Connection lost during _handle_client() May 05 08:13:46 2023 (771) <046f01d97f5c$27c4ada0$774e08e0$(a)degrowthcalifornia.org> smtp to degrowcali(a)lists.ccalternatives.org for 25 recips, completed in 3276.275292634964 seconds May 05 08:13:46 2023 (771) <046f01d97f5c$27c4ada0$774e08e0$(a)degrowthcalifornia.org> post to degrowcali(a)lists.ccalternatives.org from christian(a)degrowthcalifornia.org, 5012 bytes May 05 08:13:46 2023 (771) <168329874052.765.12737190159456781981(a)zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> smtp to degrowcali(a)lists.ccalternatives.org for 1 recips, completed in 0.011698722839355469 seconds May 05 08:13:46 2023 (771) <168329874052.765.12737190159456781981(a)zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> post to degrowcali(a)lists.ccalternatives.org from degrowcali-bounces+6397d6fde210be0b39dbf22a9868e61d6e2d0f23(a)lists.ccalternat ives.org, 11445 bytes May 05 08:13:46 2023 (771) <168329886073.765.17844938860507947692(a)zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> smtp to degrowcali(a)lists.ccalternatives.org for 1 recips, completed in 0.00799560546875 seconds May 05 08:13:46 2023 (771) <168329886073.765.17844938860507947692(a)zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> post to degrowcali(a)lists.ccalternatives.org from degrowcali-bounces+62749dfe16f9d39e2cd0c3e94754723efbe8169d(a)lists.ccalternat ives.org, 11400 bytes May 05 08:13:46 2023 (771) <168329958151.765.3625387421642934590(a)zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> smtp to degrowcali(a)lists.ccalternatives.org for 1 recips, completed in 0.008965730667114258 seconds May 05 08:13:46 2023 (771) <168329958151.765.3625387421642934590(a)zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> post to degrowcali(a)lists.ccalternatives.org from degrowcali-bounces+8890cbead24710cdebeedbbd96d99fcd7f6f1343(a)lists.ccalternat ives.org, 11426 bytes May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin) May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 39046) May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39046) handling connection May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39046) >> b'LHLO zarathustra.ccalternatives.org' May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39046) >> b'MAIL FROM:<> SIZE=15076 BODY=8BITMIME' May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39046) sender: <> May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39046) >> b'RCPT TO:<degrowcali-bounces+6397d6fde210be0b39dbf22a9868e61d6e2d0f23(a)lists.ccalte rnatives.org>' May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39046) recip: degrowcali-bounces+6397d6fde210be0b39dbf22a9868e61d6e2d0f23(a)lists.ccalternat ives.org May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39046) >> b'DATA' May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39046) >> b'QUIT' May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39046) connection lost May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39046) Connection lost during _handle_client() May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin) May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 39050) May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39050) handling connection May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39050) >> b'LHLO zarathustra.ccalternatives.org' May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39050) >> b'MAIL FROM:<> SIZE=15049 BODY=8BITMIME' May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39050) sender: <> May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39050) >> b'RCPT TO:<degrowcali-bounces+8890cbead24710cdebeedbbd96d99fcd7f6f1343(a)lists.ccalte rnatives.org>' May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39050) recip: degrowcali-bounces+8890cbead24710cdebeedbbd96d99fcd7f6f1343(a)lists.ccalternat ives.org May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39050) >> b'DATA' May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39050) >> b'QUIT' May 05 08:13:46 2023 (768) ('127.0.0.1', 39050) connection lost -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 12:19 PM To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Re: templates On 5/4/23 11:15, Christian via Mailman-users wrote: > In March when I started troubleshooting my lists, you stated: > > "Also, one other thing you might check. Do these non-working lists > have templates defined in postorius, in particular, one for > list:member:regular:footer, and if not, are there any in Mailman's > mailto:var/templates/lists/redlatinleg@lists.ccalternatives.org/ derectory > that Mailman doesn't have permission to find and read?" > > There are no other templates listed in either Postorius nor in > Mailman's var/templates (as I stated, I do not even lave a 'lists' > subdirectory under Mailman's var/templates). My subscribers are not > receiving message distributions from my lists, even while some of them > are listed in the archives. See the original thread at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/U HWOG6S57FM2SIQWHEPWM3CDUSAMLOOP/ (which you hijacked about 4 messages in) and particularly the message at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message/ NZ7G3JMYXFTQNVJ2DYGJ6PETEQT55SKB/ Without further information, I can't say more than that. -- Mark Sapiro <mailto:mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:mailman-users-leave@mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message/ GJNYZK3DK4UZYAILV7JZ62PPVPDPKNOZ/ This message sent to mailto:csa@web-analysts.net

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Auth question

by David Krantz

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 1:06 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > To be more specific, the projects that are required for a fully > functioning Mailman installation with Postorius and Hyperkitty are > > Mailman (the core) > > Hyperkitty (the archiver) > > Postorius (the web list management UI) > > django-mailman3 (common django things used by Postorius and Hyperkitty) > > MailmanClient (python bindings for the core REST API used by Postorius > and Hyperkitty) > > HyperKitty - Mailman plugin (plugin for the core to communicate with > Hyperkitty) > I tried to upgrade today. The result is a broken install which fails when trying to upgrade the database. $> ./bin/mailman-post-update [...] File "/opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/eggs/Django-1.8.17-py2.7.egg/django/db/backends/base/base.py", line 236, in _commit return self.connection.commit() File "/opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/eggs/Django-1.8.17-py2.7.egg/django/db/utils.py", line 94, in __exit__ six.reraise(dj_exc_type, dj_exc_value, traceback) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/eggs/Django-1.8.17-py2.7.egg/django/db/backends/base/base.py", line 236, in _commit return self.connection.commit() django.db.utils.IntegrityError: update or delete on table "auth_user" violates foreign key constraint "social_auth_usersocial_user_id_193b2d80880502b2_fk_auth_user_id" on table "social_auth_usersocialauth" DETAIL: Key (id)=(3) is still referenced from table "social_auth_usersocialauth". I have tried to drop and recreate the databases but I get the above result anyway. The description in https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience is very hazy. The process of symlinking in libraries is fiddly to say the least. I get mailman to start but not any web interface. I have not tested mailman so if it works rather than just start I do not know. There is a description for a clean install for development at http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/devsetup.html, but I suspect that it isn't usable for anything other than development. I have read it parallell to try to interpret the installation experience description which in turn describes more of what I am trying to do. No luck though. regards // David

8 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman-cli tools

by Dmitry Makovey

On 09/27/2017 10:20 AM, Abhilash Raj wrote: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2017, at 08:44 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> On 09/27/2017 08:26 AM, Dmitry Makovey wrote: >>> On 09/27/2017 08:25 AM, Dmitry Makovey wrote: >>>> I've come across mailman-cli docs: >>>> >>>> http://mailman-cli.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailmanclient/cli/docs/usin… >>>> > > This is basically one of our GSoC projects which hasn't yet been merged > with MailmanClient. It uses the REST API to to provide a command line > client for Mailman, while there hasn't been any in-compatible changes in > API since this project was finished, I am not sure about the current > status of it. > >>>> yet I cannot figure out what's the official source for the installation. > > Official source for MailmanClient is at gitlab.com/mailman/mailmanclient > and it doesn't have a CLI, the Github project you linked to says right > on the top that it is not official project (Thanks for that Rajeev!). I did see that, thus I was asking the question here. > Also, I would say not to use this client to remotely access Mailman, the > REST API is not meant to be exposed over internet (unless you have a VPN > or other sort of setup to securely access the box remotely). > in my case - I need to use REST API since we're deploying with docker and pieces that need to integrate with mailman commands now live in a different container (and very likely on a different machine). I do need to be able to execute commands remotely - I can handle securing of that connection, but it is not an option for me to run "fat" docker containers thus the only interconnect is via sockets (either UNIX or TCP). -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

7 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Permission denied for fulltext_index

by Jan Eden

On 2022-11-30 16:25, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Jan Eden wrote: > > I tried setting permissions on /opt/mailman/fulltext_index to 777 > > temporarily, but the issue remained (as expected). It occurs in the > > Whoosh backend of Haystack (whoosh_backend.py, line 132-133): > > > if self.use_file_storage and not os.path.exists(self.path): > > > > > > os.makedirs(self.path) > > > > > > where self.path is referenced, which is defined in line 110 (as part of > > the __init__ function): > > > def __init__(self, connection_alias, **connection_options): > > > super().__init__(connection_alias, **connection_options) > > > self.setup_complete = False > > > self.use_file_storage = True > > > self.post_limit = getattr(connection_options, "POST_LIMIT", 128 * 1024 * 1024) > > > self.path = connection_options.get("PATH") > > > > > > Unfortunately, I cannot see where the PATH key for connection_options is > > defined. > > > It is defined in the HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS dictionary in your Django settings. The dictionary contains the following: > HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = { > 'default': { > 'ENGINE': 'haystack.backends.whoosh_backend.WhooshEngine', > 'PATH': "fulltext_index", > }, > } Changing the PATH value to a full path (/opt/mailman/fulltext_index) and restarting mailman-web generates a different error: > ERROR 2022-11-30 16:38:37,953 1028315 django.request Internal Server Error: /archives/list/testing@lists.eden.one/thread/T6MCILAVQYV5QIOGHJB3JNJ26Z7E2Z35/reattach-suggest > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 55, in inner > response = get_response(request) > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response > response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py", line 137, in inner > return func(request, *args, **kwargs) > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/thread.py", line 454, in reattach_suggest > sugg_thread = msg.object.thread > AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'thread' - Jan

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Can't post to my own list from HyperKitty

by MegaBrutal

Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> ezt írta (időpont: 2025. ápr. 7., H, 0:44): > On 4/6/25 14:40, via Mailman-users wrote: > >> Is your login a member of the list? > > > > It's supposed to be – when I click „Manage subscription” in the very > same thread, it reveals that I'm subscribed. This is why I can't subscribe > again. Yet I still can't post from HyperKitty, however I can by e-mail. > > > > However, when I checked the member list, I also found my address as a > „nonmember” (besides being listed as „member” too). I removed myself as > „nonmember”, but I still can't post to the list from HyperKitty. > > > What response do you get when you click `reply` on a message? and what > when you click `Start a new thread`. Do you get an error immediately or > do you get a composition dialog and only get an error when you click > `Send`. What do the errors look like? > I get a composition dialog and can type my message, but when I click send, I get the error message: „This list is moderated, please subscribe to it before posting.”. Upon reply, a red rectangle appears to enclose this message. Upon trying to create a new thread, a white page loads which only contains this error message. What do you see in Django's logs when you do this? > I don't know where to look – I don't see anything outstanding, only a few HTTP requests appear in mailman.log on mailman side and uwsgi.log on web side. None of these indicate any error. What HyperKitty version is this and is it installed from PyPI or is it a > downstream package? Version 1.3.12. It is installed through pip with the virtualenv method.

3 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Mails are not archived at all -- how to check if Hyperkitty is running or not?

by Franklin Weng

Hi Mark, Great thanks to you and everyone in this discussion. Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> 於 2019年10月30日週三 23:13 寫道： > On 10/30/19 12:52 AM, Franklin Weng wrote: > > > > If I use > > > > base_url: https://lists.slat.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/ > > > > The log became > > > > Oct 30 15:25:50 2019 (6256) HyperKitty failure on > > https://lists.slat.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls: > > <html><title>Auth required</title><body> > > > > <h1>Authorization Required</h1> > > </body></html> (401) > > > > In my mailman-web.py: > > > > MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = 'my-key,same as in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg' > > MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = ('127.0.0.1', '::1') > > > > Not sure what to change here. > > > There have been other reports of authorization failures even though the > keys match. See the last few posts at > < > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… > >. > The solution there was to change both the api_key setting in > /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg and the MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY > setting in /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py to new values. > I didn't change the key. When I follow the thread and print the keys getting from web and in the settings I found that one with single quote and the other not. In the mailman-web.py the value of MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY should be single quoted, **but** the api_key in [general] SHOULD NOT single quoted. Therefore I set my hyperkitty base URL to https://lists.slat.org/mailman's/hyperkitty/ and removed the quote in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg it finally works. Maybe adding a comment to explain it a bit more would help later people not to step on the mine again. Thanks for your help! Regards, Franklin

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Using MySQL via unix socket

by Torge Riedel

Am 02.02.19 um 19:06 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 2/2/19 5:31 AM, Torge Riedel wrote: >> A call to >> >> mysql -umailman -p >> >> successfully uses the socket on the machine and logs in. > > Yet you haven't specified -S or --socket > > >> I tried >> >> mysql+pymysql://mailman:mailmanpass@127.0.0.1/mailman3?charset=utf8&use_unicode=1&unix_socket=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock >> >> >> as the connection string but it says that mysql server is not available. >> Which is the same if remove the "unix_socket" parameter. I have found >> this parameter when searching the net, but I'm not sure if it is supported. > > I think it should be, but the actual connection is via the the > sqlalchemy create_engine() function. It appears this should be passed to > the pymysql Connection() function per > <https://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/rel_1_2/core/engines.html#custom-dbapi-args> > > What happens if in a Python 3 session, you do > > from pymysql import connect > conn = connect('127.0.0.1', > user='mailman', > password='mailmanpass', > database='mailman3', > charset='utf8', > use_unicode=1, > unix_socket='/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock') > > As I understand it, that's what sqlalchemy should be doing with your > database url. In my testing, the above works with or without the > unix_socket= argument, so I suspect something else is wrong in your case. > Hi, thanks a lot for your answer. Yes, sounds valid that something else is (or was) wrong in my environment. I'm new to docker containers and might have overseen something. I now managed it a different way: I used rinetd on the host to redirect connections from docker host ip of a bridged network to 127.0.0.1 to make MySQL accessible in the docker container. This works and avoids mapping the mysqld.sock file into the container. Thanks again Torge

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Newbie question 2: Rewriting issue for bounced emails

by William Oliver

On Sun, 2021-12-26 at 16:47 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 12/26/21 3:06 PM, William Oliver wrote: > > > > When running mailman3, do I need to set up a completely different > > virtual domain for it to run in? > > No. > > > > My "real" domain name is > > libertyfp.org, and I'm trying to make mailman work on that domain, > > e.g. > > "testlist(a)libertyfp.org." I'm starting to get the idea that I need > > to > > stick a completely different domain in there for the mailinglist. > > No. > > DNS or anywhere outside your server. > > Have you actually set an alias domain in Postorius for the > libertyfp.org > domain. It doesn't matter what name it is as long as it isn't > a real domain. A good choice is x.libertyfp.org. Have you set that > or > things like > > testlist(a)libertyfp.org testlist(a)x.libertyfp.org > testlist-bounces(a)libertyfp.org testlist-bounces(a)x.libertyfp.org > testlist-confirm(a)libertyfp.org testlist-confirm(a)x.libertyfp.org > ... [snip] Ah. I misunderstood you. I thought you meant that I had to tweak *postfix* to get this done. It's not that you weren't clear, it's that when I read the mailman3 instructions, I got the impression that *mailman* would set the alias domain automatically, so I was dead set on munging postfix. This makes more sense, and I can back out of some of the changes I made in postfix, which for the last couple of rounds was mostly flailing about randomly -- I've heard that's often not a good admin strategy. So.. if I need to do it myself, can you point me to what file I need to create/modify in the /opt/mailman/mm tree to set up the alias? Thanks! billo

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderate mails from owner

by Malcolm Austen

On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 16:58:45 -0000, Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> wrote: > On Thu, Mar 21, 2019, at 8:47 AM, Malcolm Austen wrote: >> On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 18:42:10 -0000, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> >> wrote: >> >> > However, this is apparently not relevant because both the Member and >> > Non-Member actions are Hold. Thus, the post should be held unless it >> has >> > an Approved: header with the list's moderator_password attribute if >> > there is one, or it matches a Header filter rule with an accept >> action. >> >> At the risk of getting this really wrong - I have only limited MM3 >> knowledge - I will ask what is, I fancy, a closely related question ... >> >> My only experience of MM3 is with Ancestry's 'RootsWeb' installation. >> From >> the emails I can see a header "X-Mailman-Version: 3.1.0" but I can't >> find >> anything to identify Postorius which is the only interface I have to the >> system. >> >> From symptoms seen and described by others, I have deduced that the >> Postorius admin-per-user moderation options of "Default processing" and >> "List default" mean that a user may be set (by default on the rootsweb >> system!) to use the system default moderation settings rather than the >> list default settings. > > "Default Processing" means the default pipeline defined in Thanks, I will do some (more!) reading. > List > Settings > Alter Messages > 'Pipeline' ( in the bottom). This > pipeline is > system wide and is defined in source code, so it can't be customized by > site administrator. Unfortunately, that is not available to list-owners on the system concerned. Ancestry must have removed it. Malcolm. -- Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen(a)weald.org.uk>

6 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: spanish localization

by Victoriano Giralt

El sáb, 13-02-2021 a las 16:44 -0800, Mark Sapiro escribió: > On 2/13/21 4:08 PM, Victoriano Giralt wrote: > > Mark, please, how do you check when translations happened? Nov 7th is a > > very significant date for me (it is my wedding anniversary) and I'm 90% > > sure that I dedicated time to Weblate after that date... > > With respect to Mailman core, all I'm doing is downloading the .po for > Spanish and comparing it to mailman/messages/es/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po > from the Mailman core 3.3.3 package on PyPI and they are identical. > > If there are translated strings on weblate that are different from that, > they don't show up in the downloaded > <https://hosted.weblate.org/download/gnu-mailman/mailman/es/>;. And you are very right and I have fallen as a newbee ... and first of all I apologise for the noise. I've been doing diffs with files downloaded from Weblate and those installed on the server by pip. As I should have done from the start. Mailman core and hyperkitty show no differences. Postorius shows a bunch and django_mailman3 just a couple. I leave for others a more detailed check of the strings between downloaded .po files and Weblate online strings, it's too late here. > > And I too want to help. It would be a help to me if you can give me > examples of specific strings whose weblate translation differs from > what's in the distributed .po files. And you have helped me, making me thing twice and stop moaning and going for the facts. Apologetic-thankful-big-mouth-shut-ly, Victoriano. -- Victoriano Giralt Innovation Director Digital Transformation Vicerectorate University of Malaga +34952131415 SPAIN ================================================================== Note: signature.asc is the electronic signature of present message A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure ? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email ?

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Disabled by bounce

by Stephen J. Turnbull

On 2/2/23 04:54, Danil Smirnov wrote: > > Isn't this a bug? Eye of the beholder. I will argue it's a doc bug. > > We are now showing users' bounce scores on the Members > > page and this would be misleading. If you mean the member's own page, yes, confusion is a problem. If you mean it's the Members page that the admins see, documentation and education is the answer, IMO. > > Is it difficult from internals > > perspective to have the bounce score reset immediately? Mark Sapiro writes: > Yes, it is not difficult, but it's a lot of processing. It would require > something like a task runner task to periodically look at each row in > the member table and if the bounce score is > 0, find the associated > list's bounce_info_stale_after and if last_bounce_received + > bounce_info_stale_after < now, reset the score. Aside: In programming, all problems are solved by another level of indirection. In databases, all problems are solved by another index. :-) You'd still need a runner, but it would be a simple "update these rows to zero", I guess. About the education and documentation for subscribers: I would argue that we can document the bounce score as a "recent highwater mark", since delivery isn't disabled yet. That's useful information for those with ears to hear it. That is, if you see "0" 95% of the time, occasionally "1", and today it's "2", maybe you wanna have a talk with your postmaster? On the other hand, if we reset immediately, I bet most users will rarely see anything greater than 0 because most visits are triggered by list posting, Admins would be similar, except that they might see correlations with remote domains, or if there was a wave across domains it might be a symptom of getting registered on an RBL or two.

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /accounts/login/

by Mark Dadgar

On May 18, 2021, at 5:34 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 5/18/21 4:06 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: >> I have a user attempting to access the list archives and he’s generating this login error. I have verified that he does have a django account. I’ve never seen this one before and I didn’t find anything relevant in the lit archives. >> >> Any ideas what’s going on here? > ... >> File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/utils.py", line 134, in _has_verified_for_login >> emailaddress = EmailAddress.objects.get_for_user(user, email) >> File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/allauth/account/managers.py", line 54, in get_for_user >> ret = self.get(user=user, email__iexact=email) >> File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 82, in manager_method >> return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) >> File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 419, in get >> raise self.model.MultipleObjectsReturned( >> >> Exception Type: MultipleObjectsReturned at /accounts/login/ >> Exception Value: get() returned more than one EmailAddress -- it returned 2! >> Request information: >> USER: AnonymousUser > > > Go to the Django admin users page - something like > http(s)://example.com/admin/auth/user/ - and search for the email > address. This search is case-insensitive and I'm guessing it will find > two users differing in case. > > In any event, django allauth is trying to find this user and is finding > multiple EmailAddress.objects for this address or username. I had actually done this but checked the Users section and had overlooked the Email Addresses section. It was as you suggested - duplicate emails differing only in case. Given that there was only one user account, how does this happen? List subscription without associated user account creation with slightly different case? - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Importing archive from mm21

by Lars Bjørndal

On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 01:26:03PM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/27/23 13:01, Lars Bjørndal wrote: > > I imported an archive from a list created in September 2013 with the > > following command: > > > > mailman-web hyperkitty_import -l annonsering(a)hodr.no --since 2013-09-01 <mbox file> > > > If it's a new list with no current archive, I typically don't use --since. > If there might be messages in the archive, I normally use something like > `--since 1970-01-01` just to be sure I get everything. There was some new messages in the archive prior to the import. > > No errors reported. > > > And this should have imported all messages with Date: header dates >= > 2013-09-01 plus any without Date: headers. > > > I then did > > > > mailman-web update_index_one_list annonsering(a)hodr.no > > > > No, when I go to https://hodr.no/archives/list/annonsering@hodr.no/, I > > cannot choose mails earlier than January 2023. > > > > What's the problem, do you think? > > The messages are there. I went to > https://hodr.no/archives/list/annonsering@hodr.no/ and only saw messages > from 2023, but then I went to > https://hodr.no/archives/list/annonsering@hodr.no/latest?count=200&page=2 > and started seeing all the messages even at > https://hodr.no/archives/list/annonsering@hodr.no/. > > What do you see now? Now, all messages are visible. > I also note your pages seem to be missing the styling as the references to > the styles, etc at https://hodr.no/static/* all return 404. Thank you. I had `Alias /mailman3/static /opt/mailman3/web/static` instead of `Alias /static /opt/mailman3/web/static`. As I'm blind, I didn't notice that missed icons/styling. > Is the issue fixed for you now? I don't understand what caused the issue. Tyank you, the issue is fixed. Lars

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Implicit destination

by David Krantz

On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 2:50 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > That is not the issue. Sending the held message notice to a spammer, if > it reaches the spammer, is probably inconsequential. The issue is that > virtually always in spam the sender address is either undeliverable or > is the address of an innocent 3rd party. Sending these notices to > innocent 3rd parties is called backscatter and is a bad thing. > > To avoid this backscatter, you can set the list's > respond_to_post_requests attribute to False. There are two problems > here. One is this setting is not currently exposed in Postorius, and the > other is this will also stop desired held message notices such as those > from list members. Aha. That was a simple solution although with a bad consequence. Will it stop moderation mails to the moderator as well? I'll try. Otherwise it will not be a problem in my case. The lists where I have this problem are more of function addresses for a number of persons (like a board or workgroup) so they accept posts from non-members. I use mailman as a simple forward gets legit mail caught in the receivers spam filters and might cause more black-list problems. You are of course entirely correct in that backscatter is the real problem, I should have thought of that. The thing in the spam I've received lately is somewhat sophisticated: the senders have correct (albeit strange) domains and correct SPF records so they try to seem legit although the senders are located in unexpected parts of the world. I just checked one example, in that case the MX pointed to the sender IP, the SPF was very sloppy (~all) and everything looked correct except for the fact that we usually do not receive mail from Ukraine and the cryptocurrency scam in the body. It almost got caught in the spam filter, but not quite. cheers // David

6 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: using SSH/TLS with external MTA

by Roland Giesler

On 2024/07/25 20:50, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 7/24/24 06:35, Roland Giesler via Mailman-users wrote: >> I have managed thus far to get things working on my new install, but >> I need to use a secure logon to send mail from an external MTA. I >> have set up: >> >> /etc/mailman/mailman.cfg: >> >> smtp_host: box2.gtahardware.co.za >> smtp_port: 465 >> smtp_user: roland(a)giesler.za.net >> smtp_pass: <hidden> >> smtp_secure_mode: smtps >> smtp_verify_cert: no >> smtp_verify_hostname: no > > This looks OK, but > >> I'll get a cert installed later, for now just want to get it going. > > The `no` values for smtp_verify_cert and smtp_verify_hostname may be > part of your issue. After re-reading the documentation I realised that and changed it to "yes" for both since box2.gtahardware.co.za has valid certs. > > ... >> "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/mail/backends/smtp.py", >> line 125, in _send >> self.connection.sendmail(from_email, recipients, >> message.as_bytes(linesep='\r\n')) >> File "/usr/lib/python3.10/smtplib.py", line 901, in sendmail >> raise SMTPRecipientsRefused(senderrs) >> smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused: {'roland(a)giesler.za.net': (454, >> b'4.7.1 <roland(a)giesler.za.net>: Relay access denied')} >> >> However, the mailserver is in daily use and accept logon all the >> time. I believe I'm missing something that should be installed to >> make SMTPS (SSL) work, but what? > > It is the mail server at box2.gtahardware.co.za that is refusing to > relay this message. I think this issue needs to be resolved in that > MTA's configuration. Indeed that is so, but that box is in daily use by a few different users and they authenticate and send email without any problems. I'm checking out the link you shared in my other thread now.

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Template path

by Seth Seeger

> On Sep 17, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> I followed previous emails on this list which told me to set POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL in /opt/mailman/web/settings_local.py, but that doesn’t seem to make any difference. (I set it to a different value and the error message didn’t change. I also tried setting it in /opt/mailman/core/settings_local.py to no effect. After each change, I restarted mailman-web and mailman-core containers.) > > > How did you create the template? In Postorius or by manually creating a > file somewhere? If by creating a file, POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL is > not relevant, but ensure that the file is findable and readable by Mailman. I created the template in Postorius. >> From within mailman-web and mailman-core containers, I can reach “mailman-web:8000”. >> >> In the webpage, I see: Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core. > > > The REST APT is normally exposed on port 8001, not 8000 (See `port` in > `mailman conf -s webservice`. Yes, it’s 8001: [webservice] hostname: 172.19.199.2 [webservice] port: 8001 > What is your setting for MAILMAN_REST_API_URL? does the port match? I’m not overriding it: ./postorius/mailman-web/settings.py:MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = os.environ.get('MAILMAN_REST_URL', 'http://mailman-core:8001') > >> In /opt/mailman/core/var/logs/mailman.log, I get: >> >> [17/Sep/2020:16:23:29 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/xxx.example.com HTTP/1.1" 200 416 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" > > It appears you are connecting to the REST API, but ... > ... >> urllib3.exceptions.ReadTimeoutError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='mailman-web', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) > > > Something appears to be trying to connect to REST on port 8000 Is this a red herring? Is something else wrong? Setting POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL in settings_local.py doesn’t seem to make any difference. Having set the POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL, I deleted the template and recreated it. Now, when I approve a pending subscription it goes through, but the welcome email is blank. Seth

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: To have mailman3 start at boot, trying to configure the systemd mailman3.service unit, but having issues

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sun, Jun 9, 2024 at 1:03 AM Ron <admin(a)bclug.ca> wrote: > On 2024-06-08 14:48, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > The "PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//var/templates'" > > is what it says. It is trying to create the absolute path /var/templates > > and user mailman3 doesn't have permission to create a templates/ > > directory in /var. > > > > I'm not sure why this is. It should be trying > > /opt/mailman3/mm/var/templates. What does > > > I experienced the fun of having /var being where mailman3 tried to > create files & folders. > > Some combo of the following worked for me: > > > mailman3.service > Environment="MAILMAN_CONFIG_FILE=/etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg" > > > /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg > [paths.here] > var_dir: /opt/mailman/mm/var > You see, you are mixing /opt/mailman with /opt/mailman3. WHY? > I explicitly set many / most of the other vars in that section too (i.e. > lock_dir was one that also caused issues). > > > > This might be the Wrong Way, but it solved issues similar to the ones > being discussed. > If you followed the virtualenv installation method as documented here: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html, then everything should be pointed to the home of the MM3 user you created at the step - https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#setup-mailman-u…. Then you wouldn't even need to get mixed up with paths and setting unnecessary environment variables. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Is it possible to upgrade from Debian 11 to Debian 12 with Mailman3?

by Odhiambo Washington

On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 11:28 AM Pierre Malard via Mailman-users < mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > Le 20 déc. 2023 à 09:14, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> a écrit : > > > > On December 20, 2023 7:20:17 AM GMT, Pierre Malard via Mailman-users < > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > >> Ok, don’t throw any more away! > >> > >> If you really don't recommend the Debian packaged solution, I just have > one question: > >> Why have you included it in the Debian "main" repositories for so long? > > > > We have no control over what's in Debian repositories. Maintenance and > distribution of the Debian packages is done by Debian. > > > > We would love it if all the downstream distributions included up to date > and bug free Mailman packages. The problem is when people encounter > difficulty with a downstream package, we are often unable to help because > we don't know the details of that package. > > Ok Mark, > > Sorry, I thought that the creation of the repository depended directly on > you or, at least, on someone from the team. Obviously this is not really > the case and I will address the person in charge: Jonas Meurer I presume? > Still, the packages will always be lagging. With virtualenv, you have a container that only relies on very minimal apps from the base OS (python3-dev python3-venv sassc lynx), the MTA, the web server, and the DB backend and is mostly self-contained, besides the fact that you also get to run the latest code. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: (venv) mailman-web migrate (as explained) fails with "django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware must be added to settings.MIDDLEWARE"

by Eggert Ehmke

Hello Mark, I am also using MySql/MariaDb, I followed your suggestion. This would uninstall a lot of other packages, is that safe? I did not continue. $ pip uninstall psycopg2_binary Found existing installation: psycopg2-binary 2.9.6 Uninstalling psycopg2-binary-2.9.6: Would remove: /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2/* /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2_binary-2.9.6.dist-info/* /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2_binary.libs/ libcom_err-2abe824b.so.2.1 /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2_binary.libs/ libcrypto-2cd0ac56.so.1.1 /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2_binary.libs/ libgssapi_krb5-497db0c6.so.2.2 /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2_binary.libs/libk5crypto- b1f99d5c.so.3.1 /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2_binary.libs/libkeyutils- dfe70bd6.so.1.5 /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2_binary.libs/libkrb5- fcafa220.so.3.3 /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2_binary.libs/libkrb5support- d0bcff84.so.0.1 /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2_binary.libs/ liblber-69811697.so.2.0.200 /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2_binary.libs/libldap- e7812872.so.2.0.200 /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2_binary.libs/ libpcre-9513aab5.so.1.2.0 /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2_binary.libs/ libpq-227f62f1.so.5.15 /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2_binary.libs/ libsasl2-883649fd.so.3.0.0 /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2_binary.libs/ libselinux-0922c95c.so.1 /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2_binary.libs/ libssl-0331cfe8.so.1.1 Proceed (Y/n)? n Regards, Eggert Am Donnerstag, 19. Oktober 2023, 20:31:08 CEST schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 10/19/23 05:02, Wikinaut wrote: > > (venv) mailman-web migrate > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > ... > > > File > > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/contrib/postgre > > s/search.py", line 1, in <module>> > > import psycopg2 > > > > File > > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2/__init__.py", > > line 51, in <module>> > > from psycopg2._psycopg import ( # noqa > > > > SystemError: initialization of _psycopg raised unreported exception > > Since you are using MySql and not PostgreSQL, in your venv do > ``` > pip uninstall psycopg2_binary > ```

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: High memory usage

by Philip Colmer

Thanks, Stephen. I think that the reason Prasanth & I wanted to check with this list first was to see if anyone was seeing similar behaviour. Our servers are *only* running Mailman 3 and associated packages like PostgreSQL and Postfix. Regards Philip On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 at 09:35, Stephen Daniel <swd(a)pobox.com> wrote: > I'm not an expert, and you might be better served by posting this question > in one of the communities that serves sysadmins; however, my reading says > that the oom-killer is invoked when the system cannot allocate more virtual > memory, not more physical memory. The graph in your screenshot is physical > memory usage. > > The first thing I would try is increasing the size of your swap > partition. That adds to the amount of available virtual memory, without > the need for actually buying more RAM. If you really need more RAM the > result will be that the system stays up, oom-killer stays quiet, but > performance is bad and the "si" and "so" columns in vmstat get into the > triple digits or higher. > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 3:18 AM Philip Colmer <philip.colmer(a)linaro.org> > wrote: > >> Thank you for the replies from Mark and Stephen. >> >> One of the reasons why Prasanth & I are concerned with this specific >> system >> is because the first time memory usage crept up, it got to the point where >> oomkiller stepped in and, as is usual for that particular mechanism, one >> of >> the processes it killed was sshd, thus removing access to the system :(. I >> know that oomkiller can be tuned to stop it killing processes like sshd >> but >> it will, nevertheless, start killing *some* processes if it sees an out of >> memory situation. >> >> So, as Prasanth said, we doubled the memory available and stuck an alarm >> on >> it to trigger when usage exceeded 85% for 5 minutes. I've saved a >> screenshot of the monitored memory usage over the last couple of weeks: >> >> https://1drv.ms/u/s!Aq7dn8GDGLdCodsU-pybJBdckxWU1A?e=BJY1UA >> >> (It is stored on OneDrive in case you don't recognise the URL format) >> >> We changed the server on 4th February to the larger memory size. On 11th >> Feb, it triggered the alarm and we rebooted the server. Memory usage is >> starting to climb again, albeit not at the pace that it was previously. >> >> What is particularly curious for us is that we have four Mailman 3 >> servers. >> Two of them are single domain and two are hosting two domains. This server >> is one of the servers hosting two domains, but it is also the ONLY one of >> the four servers exhibiting this memory pattern. By comparison, the memory >> usage for the other server hosting two domains looks like this: >> >> https://1drv.ms/u/s!Aq7dn8GDGLdCodsVyEufkeQqit_cGA?e=ifrJHs >> >> The biggest difference we are aware of with the "problematic" server is >> that some of the list archives are quite large by comparison with our >> other >> servers. The largest is 15K messages, then 2K then 1K. The other three >> servers have lists with relatively small archives by comparison (double or >> triple digits at worst). >> >> Finally, and just FYI, we're using PostgreSQL for the database and Xapian >> for the indexing engine. >> >> Regards >> >> Philip >> >> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 at 16:36, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >> >> > On 2/15/22 08:11, Stephen Daniel wrote: >> > > TL;DR: quite likely your system has plenty of memory and is operating >> > > normally. >> > ... >> > > On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 5:28 AM Prasanth Nair < >> prasanth.nair(a)linaro.org> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > >> Hi, >> > >> >> > >> We are having an issue with high memory usage on our Mailman3 server. >> > >> Initially, our server had 16GB RAM and the memory usage went up from >> 5% >> > to >> > >> 92% within a week. So, we increased the memory capacity to 32GB RAM >> and >> > we >> > >> can see that the memory usage is going up in the same pattern. >> > >> >> > >> Any idea why it is happening? or any suggestions? >> > >> > >> > Just for reference, mail.python.org supports 231 MM 2 lists and 182 MM >> 3 >> > lists with 16 GB of ram and no swap. >> > >> > The server that supports this list and also the www.list.org web site >> > has 4 GB of ram and no swap. >> > >> > -- >> > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, >> > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >> > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >> >

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Mailman Suite release announcement

by Abhilash Raj

Hi All, I am pleased to announce new releases for Mailman Suite, including - Mailman Core 3.3.0 (Tom Swayer) - Mailmanclient 3.3.0 - django-mailman3 1.3.0 - Postorius 1.3.0 - Hyperkitty 1.3.0 This is a feature release and also includes a bunch of bugfixes. I am really really thankful to a lot of contributors who have helped out with this release. It is really nice to see Mailman 3 gaining more users and contributors. Python 3.5 is the minimum supported version, but all the releases have been tested to work with Python 3.5-3.7. This is the last release to support Python 3.5 since it has been in security only maintenance mode for a while now. Some of the highlights of this release includes: Mailman Core 3.3.0 - Support for ARC signing. Thanks to Gene Shuman and Stephen Turnbull. - Many many improvements to "mailman import21" command. Thanks to Mark Sapiro. - Addition of French templates. Thanks to Stéphane Parunakian. - A better and more scalable REST API server using Gunicorn. - Support for SMTPS/STARTTLS. Thanks to J08ny. A full copy of change log is available at: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.html Postorius 1.3.0 - Many more settings for MailingList configuration exposed, including preferred language, digest related settings. - Support for FILTER_VHOST to filter MailingLists based on the serving domain. Thanks to Nate Coraor. - Ability to write MailingList info in Markdown to render info in HTML instead of Plaintext. A full copy of change log is available at: https://postorius.readthedocs.io/en/latest/news.html Hyperkitty 1.3.0 - Unread messages, when logged in, are more easily recognizable with blue envelope icon. - Improved thread view with colored background for quoted parts of messages. - Improved readability on small screens by removing the indentation in thread view. A full copy of the change log is available at: https://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/news.html All the packages are available to download from PyPi (https://pypi.org) https://pypi.org/project/postorius/ https://pypi.org/project/hyperkitty/ https://pypi.org/project/django-mailman3/ https://pypi.org/project/mailman/ https://pypi.org/project/mailmanclient/ -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderate mails from owner

by Abhilash Raj

On Thu, Mar 21, 2019, at 8:47 AM, Malcolm Austen wrote: > On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 18:42:10 -0000, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > However, this is apparently not relevant because both the Member and > > Non-Member actions are Hold. Thus, the post should be held unless it has > > an Approved: header with the list's moderator_password attribute if > > there is one, or it matches a Header filter rule with an accept action. > > At the risk of getting this really wrong - I have only limited MM3 > knowledge - I will ask what is, I fancy, a closely related question ... > > My only experience of MM3 is with Ancestry's 'RootsWeb' installation. From > the emails I can see a header "X-Mailman-Version: 3.1.0" but I can't find > anything to identify Postorius which is the only interface I have to the > system. > > From symptoms seen and described by others, I have deduced that the > Postorius admin-per-user moderation options of "Default processing" and > "List default" mean that a user may be set (by default on the rootsweb > system!) to use the system default moderation settings rather than the > list default settings. "Default Processing" means the default pipeline defined in List > Settings > Alter Messages > 'Pipeline' ( in the bottom). This pipeline is system wide and is defined in source code, so it can't be customized by site administrator. > > Are my deductions correct? And if so, could this be the explanation of the > issue detailed in this thread? > > Apologies if I'm barking up entirely the wrong tree, Malcolm. > > -- > Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen(a)weald.org.uk> > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

6 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 on FreeBSD

by Abhilash Raj

On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 18:10:49 -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 08/12/2017 04:51 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > On Aug 10, 2017, at 16:32, John Poltorak <karotlopj(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> On FreeBSD they ought to be in /usr/local/etc/mailman.cfg however > >> I don't see any indication as to what I should put in this file > >> and if it was in /usr/local/etc/mailman.cfg then how would mailman > >> find it? > > > > It wouldn’t by default. Right now Mailman does not search > > for /usr/local/etc/mailman.cfg, but that wouldn’t be a difficult > > change to add. I’m not sure whether that would makes sense as a > > general default or not. I’m not up on the FreeBSD conventions and > > standards here; can you explain why /usr/local/etc is preferred > > over /etc on that distro? > > > I was hoping Abhilash would chime in here, because I think John is > using the docker image and there's probably a specific path for > mailman.cfg. As per his first message, I think John is using the prod setup from the documentaion[1]. I don't have anything much to add on top of what Barry mentioned, it looks like something is wrong with the Python install and missing Sqlite3 module. The documentation does mention the paths where Core looks for configuration file and anything else can be specified using -C or MAILMAN_CONFIG_FILE environment variable. [1]: http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html > As far as what goes in it, it could even be empty if you want to > accept all the defaults, but you probably want at least > > [mailman] > site_owner: real_person(a)example.com > > I expect if you do > > find -name mailman.cfg > > in your installation, you'll find at least examples. > thanks, Abhilash

7 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Unusual behavior: Standard discussion lists with prefix are sometimes having prefix *dropped*

by Thomas Ward

On 10/19/23 13:41, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/19/23 10:02, Thomas Ward via Mailman-users wrote: >> I noticed some unusual behavior in Mailman3 stable release on PyPI >> and such. Namely, there are instances where replies are being >> processed and the prefix tags are simply being **lost** and dropped >> by Mailman3, instead of being properly prepended where they're >> supposed to go. >> >> Is this a known bug or does it need its own bug in the gitlab tracker? > > > Are you sure you are looking at messages from the list and not > messages received by direct To:, CC: or BCC:? > > I have never seen an issue where list posts would sometimes have the > subject prefix prepended and sometimes not. If you are seeing this, we > would ideally like to see a thread in the hyperkitty archive where > some of the messages have the prefix in the message view and some > don't, or at least see some of the raw Subject: headers. This might be a MUA quirk because we (read: my employer, like my other messages) are using Outlook which we all know does Weirdness. Upon examination of the actual message's source it has the proper subject line with a prefix: > Subject: [Test] Emailing Test But the way this is displayed in Outlook is weird. It may be that Microsoft is seeing the message as CC'd (reply-all was used!) and then stripping prefix, etc. because it realized there was some stupidness or such at the message-id level or something. This is looking more like a MUA issue because my other address which is subscribed and uses Thunderbird to access the mailbox instead sees the headers right with the proper prefix, suggesting this is something specific to Outlook as a MUA. Thomas

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cron Error: <mailman@gw> /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin runjobs monthly

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sun, Feb 5, 2023 at 8:32 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 2/5/23 01:13, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > So in my case, I should at least increase the value of > > HYPERKITTY_JOBS_UPDATE_INDEX_LOCK_LIFE to, say, 1800? > > > It probably isn't even set in your case and defaults to 900 if it isn't > set. I have never seen this config option in any of the settings files and so believe that no one has it set - except the DEVs, maybe. > Yes, you can set it to a larger value. If your archive search > engine is woosh and your archive is even moderately large, 1800 probably > isn't nearly enough. Yes, my archive search engine is whoosh. And my archives size is 2.5GB+ For starters I will make it 3600 and observe next time. > There was no indication of timing in your OP, but you should determine > when that cron job started and when the error was > reported. The difference is the absolute minimum you should set > for HYPERKITTY_JOBS_UPDATE_INDEX_LOCK_LIFE, but you should add some margin > to that. > Sadly I deleted the email. I will have to determine those aspects next time. I need to make a request for a small improvement on the documentation at: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#cron-jobs-for-m… The problem I am facing (the subject of this thread is that of a race between the "monthly hyperkitty update_and_clean_index" job and the hourly "hyperkitty update_index job" Would it be possible to add such details to the section, so that it is clear what the corn jobs do and perhaps what can lead to such race conditions (if that's not too much to ask)? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman 3 stops delivering to a domain after too many bounces

by Tim Cutts

> On 12 Jul 2022, at 16:28, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 7/12/22 12:34 AM, Julian Kippels wrote: >> Hi, >> We have recently upgraded from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3. Since then I >> have observed many user reports that mails to mailing lists don't reach >> all members. My suspicion is that there are too many "dead" members on >> those lists. This was not a problem on Mailman 2, but has become a >> problem on Mailman 3. It seems to me that for example Mailman 3 sends >> mails to the first 5 existing member addresses from domain A, then >> encounters several (20 or so seems to be the threshold) "dead" member >> addresses from domain A that generate a bounce and then does not even >> attempt to reach the remaining 800 member adresses from domain A and >> only sends to members on domain B and domain C. >> Is there a way to globaly ignore bounces and send out mails to all >> members of a list, no matter what? > > > Mailman's outgoing runner should not be quitting because of bounces at SMTP time. It seems like there may by some issue causing Mailman's outgoing runner to die. What's in Mailman's var/queue/shunt/ and Mailman's var/logs/mailman.log. Good point. Mailman3 needs a great deal more RAM than Mailman2, especially if you’re running the web and core on the same machine. I used to comfortably run my small mailing list server on a 1GB VM, but on Mailman3 I found it often ran out of memory and bits of mailman3 would get shot by the kernel’s OOM killer, and had to move to a larger VM. So I’d check your kernel logs and see if you’ve got OOM messages in there. Tim

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: External MTA incoming mail: configuration

by Odhiambo Washington

On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 2:35 PM Roland Giesler via Mailman-users < mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > On 2024/07/30 22:39, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > It appears you have a situation where the MX for the Mailman domains > > is not the Mailman server. You need to configure the MTA on > > box2.gtahardware.co.za to relay Mailman's mail to the mailman server. > > You can to this by configuring that MTA to use transport_maps, etc as > > if it were the Mailman server. In order to get Mailman's generated > > files on the other server, you need to create a process to do that. > > When Mailman makes changes by adding or deleting lists or when it is > > started, it updates the postfix_lmtp and postfix_domains files and > > calls a command (normally postmap) to update the corresponding .db > > files. The command can be set by setting `postmap_command` in the > > `[postfix]` section in mailman.cfg. > > > I'm not able to find any documentation about `postmap_command`, not even > in the schema.cfg. If I have to provide method to update the > postfix_lmtp and postfix_domains on another server, then it would have > to something like sftp? mailman changes the files on the mailman server > (in a location I set) and then postmap_command copies those files to the > destination on the MTA server. Is that in principle what needs to be done? > > thanks again! > Read this thread and take a keen look at the solution provided by @Stephen J. Turnbull <turnbull.stephen.fw(a)u.tsukuba.ac.jp> : https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: exim4 + mailman3 lmtp failure

by Thomas Drillich

Hello Mark, thank you four your fast response, yes I use the default port 8024 netstat -atp: tcp 0 0 localhost:8024 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 26555/python >grep MM3_LMTP_PORT /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated MM3_LMTP_PORT=8024 lines from exim4/mainlog 2020-05-06 21:48:08.506 [5776] 1jWQ1Y-0001VA-2A <= th(a)drillich.com H=mo4-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de [85.215.255.20]:20961 I=[85.25.8.21]:25 P=esmtps L- X=TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256 CV=no S=7313 M8S=0 DKIM=drillich.com RT=0.146s id=bb5a020a-bcc3-81a2-b5ab-6d89eaf5b28d(a)drillich.com from <th(a)drillich.com> for seebruecke(a)listen.td3.eu 2020-05-06 21:48:08.517 [5776] SMTP connection from mo4-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de [85.215.255.20]:20961 I=[85.25.8.21]:25 closed by QUIT 2020-05-06 21:48:08.787 [5777] 1jWQ1Y-0001VA-2A ** seebruecke(a)listen.td3.eu F=<th(a)drillich.com> P=<th(a)drillich.com> R=mailman3_router T=mailman3_transport: all hosts for 'listen.td3.eu' have been failing for a long time (and retry time not reached) Am 06.05.20 um 20:55 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 5/6/20 10:54 AM, Thomas Drillich wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I tried to setup exim4 + mailman3 but it seems to stuck at lmtp delivery of mailman3. >> Could you give me a hint, to detect the reason of failure ? > ... >> # /etc/exim4/conf.d/transport/55_mm3_transport >> mailman3_transport: >> driver = smtp >> protocol = lmtp >> allow_localhost >> hosts = localhost >> port = MM3_LMTP_PORT >> rcpt_include_affixes = true > Have you defined MM3_LMTP_PORT and is it the same value as the > lmtp_port: setting in the [mta] section of mailman.cfg - default 8024? > > And is Mailman core and particularly its lmtp runner running and is it > listening on the relevant port? > > Is there more information about "all hosts for 'listen.td3.eu' have been > failing for a long time" in exim's logs? > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ -- mit freundlichem Gruss -- regards Thomas Drillich Heugasse 4 / D-55116 Mainz / Germany fon +49-6131-570-2621 mobil +49-162-469-5875

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius confirmation mails shown in uwsgi-error.log but not sent

by Abhilash Raj

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020, at 5:33 AM, Ralph Seichter wrote: > * Mark Sapiro: > > >> $ grep ^EMAIL settings.py > >> EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' > >> EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost' > >> EMAIL_PORT = 25 > > > > but is this perhaps overridden in a settings_local.py file? > > I don't have a local settings file. I cloned the suite from GitLab[1] > master branch and modified the existing settings.py, based on Mailman's > documentation. > > [1] https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite.git > > I just verified that EMAIL_BACKEND is not redefined anywhere: > > $ grep -r 'mail\.backends' . > Binary file ./__pycache__/settings.cpython-38.pyc matches > ./settings.py:EMAIL_BACKEND = > 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' > ./settings.py:# EMAIL_BACKEND = > 'django.core.mail.backends.filebased.EmailBackend' > > I commented out the "if DEBUG == True" lines, which explains match > number three. As far as I can see, the mail backed definition for Django > is as it should be. > > I could provide the differences between my settings.py and the Git HEAD > version if you think that might help. It definitely would help if you paste the diff of the settings required. Also, can you jump into a django shell and see if you can get any exceptions trying to send emails: $ python manage.py shell >>> from django.core.mail import send_mail >>> send_mail( 'Subject here', 'Here is the message.', 'from(a)example.com', ['to(a)example.com'], fail_silently=False, ) I picked it up from the Django's docs and perhaps fail_silently=False would give some exceptions. Please make sure you tail the logs for any connections. Abhilash > > -Ralph > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: External MTA incoming mail: configuration

by Roland Giesler

On 2024/07/31 13:47, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 2:35 PM Roland Giesler via Mailman-users < > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > >> On 2024/07/30 22:39, Mark Sapiro wrote: >>> It appears you have a situation where the MX for the Mailman domains >>> is not the Mailman server. You need to configure the MTA on >>> box2.gtahardware.co.za to relay Mailman's mail to the mailman server. >>> You can to this by configuring that MTA to use transport_maps, etc as >>> if it were the Mailman server. In order to get Mailman's generated >>> files on the other server, you need to create a process to do that. >>> When Mailman makes changes by adding or deleting lists or when it is >>> started, it updates the postfix_lmtp and postfix_domains files and >>> calls a command (normally postmap) to update the corresponding .db >>> files. The command can be set by setting `postmap_command` in the >>> `[postfix]` section in mailman.cfg. >> >> I'm not able to find any documentation about `postmap_command`, not even >> in the schema.cfg. If I have to provide method to update the >> postfix_lmtp and postfix_domains on another server, then it would have >> to something like sftp? mailman changes the files on the mailman server >> (in a location I set) and then postmap_command copies those files to the >> destination on the MTA server. Is that in principle what needs to be done? >> > Read this thread and take a keen look at the solution provided by @Stephen > J. Turnbull <turnbull.stephen.fw(a)u.tsukuba.ac.jp> : > > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… Excellent! I think I can get the sshfs route working, but the pending database solution is elegant! I love it! Thanks for the pointer.

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: SPF check fails for lists subdomain

by Jan Eden

On 2023-01-05 08:55, Jan Eden via Mailman-users wrote: > On 2023-01-04 15:07, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > On 1/4/23 14:02, Jan Eden via Mailman-users wrote: > > > Although I could specify the IP address in my SPF records directly (as > > > you suggested), I do hope that my understanding of DNS records laid out > > > above is not entirely misguided. My current setup does work as expected > > > for eden.one, after all. > > > > As I said at <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> > > I was misreading your DNS and now I am as puzzled as you about the failure. > > It gets even more mysterious. I tried sending messages from both > lists.eden.one and janeden.net (my other domain) to a gmail account and > to another mail provider. Both messages passed the SPF checks on both > services (s. the relevant headers quoted below). Now because I send > those messages via my SMTP user (smtpuser(a)eden.one) and use SRS, the SPF > check operates (and succeeds) on e.g. > srs0=jdm+=5c=lists.eden.one=testlist-bounces+gmailuser=googlemail.com(a)eden.one > (and not on somethingsomething(a)lists.eden.one or > somethingsomething(a)janeden.net) Could this be the reason for the failed > SPF checks in Yahoo's and Google's DMARC reports? There was never a mystery, just my complete ignorance wrt DMARC and alignment[1]. Changing the DMARC DNS entry for lists.eden.one (more specifically, the aspf tag) solved the issue: <policy_published> <domain>lists.eden.one</domain> <adkim>s</adkim> <aspf>r</aspf> <p>quarantine</p> <sp>quarantine</sp> <pct>75</pct> </policy_published> <record> <row> <source_ip>123.123.123.123</source_ip> <count>1</count> <policy_evaluated> <disposition>none</disposition> <dkim>pass</dkim> <spf>pass</spf> </policy_evaluated> </row> For other domains, I would need to turn off SRS, which is not possible for independent reasons. - Jan [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMARC#Alignment

2 years, 6 months

[Test] Re: What now -reply from web

by Simon Hanna

On 03/21/2016 03:36 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 03/20/2016 07:22 PM, mailman(a)mailman3.org wrote: >> The last post with SSL = True and latest core still hits the same >> underlying exception both in trying to get the archive URL and in >> trying to archive the message. The core now handles these exceptions >> and continues so the message goes to the list, but isn't archived and >> has no archive headers. >> >> This is a post from hyperkitty which will probably be handled the >> same, so we have to go back to SSL = False until we can fix the >> certificate issue. > > > Yes. > > Bottom line. With USE_SSL = True, core connects to hyperkitty via SSL to > 127.0.0.1 and the certificates I installed don't include 127.0.0.1 in > their domains, so urllib3 or requests (depending on where we're coming > from) throws SSLError: hostname '127.0.0.1' doesn't match either of > 'lists.mailman3.org', 'mirror.list.org', 'mirror.mailman3.org'. > > The core now handles the exceptions and the message is ultimately > delivered but not archived. regardless of where it originated. > > We're back to USE_SSL = False now so this post should be archived, > albeit the archive URLs will have 127.0.0.1 ast the host and not > lists.mailman3.org. IMHO you shouldn't use USE_SSL at all. It just redirects to ssl pages on certain urls in hyperkitty. What you should be doing is having your webserver (nginx, apache, ...) redirect all trafic from http to https. I'm doing this and have the following settings: # django settings USE_SSL = False # Put external IP in this tuple MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = ('x.x.x.x', '127.0.0.1', '::1') # hyperkitty archiver plugin # this is the url to the base page of hyperkitty # in your case this would be # base_url: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/ base_url: https://example.com/hyperkitty/ It's working like a charm with no errors at all

9 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Help request, almost got it going, but ....

by Claus-Justus Heine

I have fixed the bug on forks of mailman-core, postorius and mailman-client. C Am 02.09.2017 um 14:36 schrieb Claus-Justus Heine via Mailman-users: > I think I found the bug; I have posted a comment to the issue mentioned > by Mark > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/58 > > Regards > > Claus > > Am 02.09.2017 um 01:20 schrieb Claus-Justus Heine via Mailman-users: >> Oh well. >> >> Am 01.09.2017 um 23:44 schrieb Mark Sapiro: >>> On 09/01/2017 02:33 PM, Claus-Justus Heine via Mailman-users wrote: >>>> >>>> Seemingly, at some point in the deep dungeons of the source code the >>>> "Acceptable aliases" Text-Box is not interpreted correctly. >>>> >>>> Specifically, at the start it contains the string >>>> >>>> [] >>> >>> >>> See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/58>. >> >> there they talk about fancy "uni-code thinks" (email addresses?) where >> the task is to convert a new-line separated text-field into an array. Oops. >> >> Kind thanks anyway. >> >>> >>> In order to set things on this page, you need to clear the Acceptable >>> aliases box before submitting changes. You can't actually set Acceptable >>> aliases via Postorius until this is fixed. >> >> The issue seems not to be overly active. I thought -- coming from >> Mailman v2 -- that the configuration of acceptable submitters to an >> email list (e.g. keep everyone moderated?) would be a central and >> prominent and important configuration issue. Seems not to be a central >> point. Mmmh. >> >> Thanks >> >> Claus >> >> > -- Claus-Justus Heine himself(a)claus-justus-heine.de http://www.claus-justus-heine.de/ Schatzmeister der Camerata Academica Freiburg e.V. --- www.cafev.de

7 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: re-sending confirmation mails (was Re: Re: pending subscriptions lost?)

by IEM Network Operation Center (IOhannes m zmölnig)

thanks again, Mark, for your detailed answer. On 3/15/22 17:21, Mark Sapiro wrote: > See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/901 > > You can add something like > ``` > Alternatively, you can confirm by going to the URL > > https://$domain/mailman3/lists/$list_id/confirm/?token=$token > ``` hmm. the list-url (e.g. where you can subscribe to the list) for my instance looks like https://$domain/postorius/lists/$list_id/ (that is: it spells "postorius" rather than "mailman3"). so i guess the URL should be https://$domain/postorius/lists/$list_id/confirm/?token=$token, which unfortunately returns 404. also, my postorius/urls.py does not contain an url-pattern for "confirm", unlike the current one as found on <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/blob/master/src/postorius/urls.py#L83> so i guess this was not possible yet with postorius 1.2.4 > to the list:user:action:subscribe template. Note that `$domain` may not > be appropriate here because it is the email domain which may not be the > web domain. > >> also: the confirmation mail says that the subject must be kept intact. >> however, i noticed that the actual "From" address of the confirmation >> mail already contains the token. > > The current template > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/templates/en/l… > doesn't say that. yes. the *current* template. but not the template that came with mailman3 3.2.1 > >> finally: what else is required to approve the confirmation? will the >> sender's email-address be taken into account? (e.g. if they subscribed >> "foo+mylist(a)example.com" but send the confirmation-reply from >> "foo(a)example.com", will that still work? > > > Yes. Only the token is required. > cool thanks. together with the not-yet-expired tokens, i think i can create some ad-hoc web-service that translates URLs to confirmation replies. mfd IOhannes

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users]Re: Sass and where to find core rest logs

by Simon Hanna

On 05/05/2016 04:15 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 05/04/2016 09:45 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: > >> Anyway, I have compiled Mailman3, and the web interface is coming up. Bringing up the list of lists initially gave me an exception, and I saw a 5xx error in the mailman.log file in /opt/mailman/var/logs. I read up on this and as a result downgraded Falcon<1.0 in the Python 3.4 venv. >> >> I am still unable to browse the list of lists with a 500 error, only this time I am not getting an entry in the mailman.log indicating there is an issue, and I am wondering if there are more detailed logs that can be switched on? > > > There are the web server logs and there is the mailman-web configured in > LOGGING:handlers:file in (using bundler) > mailman-bundler/mailman-web/production.py (or testing.py). The > production default is /var/log/mailman-web/mailman-web.log; the testing > default is /opt/mailman/var/mailman-web/hyperkitty.log. > You might also get a 500 error because of a django error. If you have debugging enabled, you should see the trace in the browser. If not, then you should get an email (If you configured am admin email) Otherwise the files above should contain information about it. > >> The other question I have is on Sassc. I believe the default Mailman web interface has now switched to the Ruby implementation of Sass, but is this correct? The documentation on the Mailman-Bundler site seems to suggest that Sassc is still the default. > > > I think the bundler doc is out of date on this. > Hyperkitty switched from less to sass. Which sass compiler you use is irrelevant. You can use the ruby implementation (but it pulls in ruby as a dep). I am using the C preprocessor from libsass.org I will go over the docs and see if that section is unclear.

9 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: re-sending confirmation mails (was Re: Re: pending subscriptions lost?)

by Andreas Barth

* Mark Sapiro (mark(a)msapiro.net) [220315 22:18]: > On 3/15/22 12:22, IEM Network Operation Center (IOhannes m zmölnig) wrote: > >yes. > >the *current* template. > >but not the template that came with mailman3 3.2.1 > > Which is over 3 years old. > > You should really be taking up these issues with Debian. Maybe if > they got enough pressure from users, they would update their > package. Debian (as all distributions) freezes their packages when releasing, that's why it's called stable. If someone wants newer packages, it's possible to use stable-backports (see below). Debian oldstable has mailman3 version 3.2.1. Debian stable has mailman3 version 3.3.1. So, in this case, the version in Debian oldstable is used. Which is, well, a bit behind stable, because oldstable is one release behind from the current stable. From (any) software point of view, distributions are always too old. However, having a frozen version of packages has great benefits for admins and reduces efforts. That's why distributions exists. As I said multiple times (also here), my recommendation is: if the software in the distribution works for you, use it. If not, use your own. However, don't assume that pressure works here at all - distributions are freezing packages for very good reason. As Debian is an volunteer effort, however it is always possible to help the distribution and get what you want by that. A good way is stable-backports, because this allows the admin to select to have single packages from the more current testing branch of Debian. However, this only happens if someone does the necessary handholding. So far nobody volunteered for mailman, therefor mailman isn't in stable-backports. If I'd like to have a current mailman on Debian, that would be my path forward (together with running Debian stable, not oldstable); but that's not an easy one if you are not involved with debian yet. Andi

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: moving list from mm3 -> mm3

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Jens Günther writes: > Am 09.12.23 um 00:27 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > > You need a PUT command, not POST. Try the above with `-X PUT`. > > With the `-X PUT`-command, there is the following error: > {"title": "400 Bad Request", "description": "Unexpected parameters: > bounces_address, created_at, digest_last_sent_at, fqdn_listname, > http_etag, join_address, last_post_at, leave_address, list_name, > mail_host, next_digest_number, no_reply_address, owner_address, post_id, > posting_address, request_address, usenet_watermark, volume"} You should post the exact command or interactive conversation you're using. My guess is that the REST API is expecting a single JSON object, and you sent it multiple parameters. Have you played with the REST API interactively? The documentation at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… is really quite good as a tutorial. It's not a full API reference, and not organized that way, although the table of contents is very useful for what it does mention. But I think what you need (if you want to explore it that deeply) is a tutorial to get a "feel" for how the REST API "likes to talk". > Is there another way to preserve these information about the > members? You can query the REST API (you might need to fetch the subscriber roster, then iterate over that to get the details), or you can dump the database table (or the whole database) using SQL-based utilities like psql (Postgres, I forget the MySQL equivalent). > (in general I don't think a lot of people put in effort to > customize there memeberships ... and furthermore they would need to > register, right?) Not sure what you mean by "register", but every address that writes to Mailman gets a temporary user until a "real" user claims it via the mailbox ownership dance. If they receive mail in a mailbox, they've done the ownership dance for that mailbox. If you don't preserve that record, they'll have to do it again. Steve

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Timeout error on anonymous subscribe

by Gerald Vogt

On 23.10.24 00:09, Mark Sapiro wrote: > How are you creating the template? If you are creating it via Postorius, Yes, via Postorius created using the url https://lists.example.org/mailman3/lists/community.lists.example.com/templa… > what is your setting for POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL and what does the I did not set POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL in settings.py. > entry in the template table in the database look like? in mailman.template: mailman=# select * from template where id = 6; 6|list:user:action:subscribe|community.lists.example.com|http://localhost:8… in mailmanweb.template: mailmanweb=# select * from postorius_emailtemplate where id = 6; 6|list:user:action:subscribe|test1234||2024-09-09 13:52:22.377792+02|2024-10-14 15:11:43.029873+02|list|community.lists.example.com > POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL should be the same URL you use to access > Postorius up to but not including the `/postorius/` or `/mailman3/` > part. I.e, for this list whose info page is at https:// > lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/, the > setting is > ``` > POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://lists.mailman3.org' > ``` For testing I have set POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://lists.example.org' to the URL of our main domain, however, if I test an anonymous subscribe through the list info page I still get the timeout error ``` HTTPConnectionPool(host='localhost', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) ``` Logs still show the same behaviour: the request for the template comes into the server but is finished and logged after 5 seconds: 127.0.0.1 - - [23/Oct/2024:05:51:38 +0000] "GET /mailman3/api/templates/list/community.lists.example.com/list:user:action:subscribe HTTP/1.1" 200 8 "-" "python-requests/2.32.3" The tcpdump of the tcp conection also looks the same: the response is pushed with the termination of the connection. I can access http://localhost:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/community.lists.example.c… with curl and immediately get the response. So it still looks to me as if the response is stuck in the tcp buffers of the connection and not pushed immediately, but only once the requestor times out after 5 seconds and closes the connection. Thanks, Gerald

9 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Help request, almost got it going, but ....

by Claus-Justus Heine

Am 02.09.2017 um 01:57 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 09/01/2017 04:20 PM, Claus-Justus Heine via Mailman-users wrote: >> >> The issue seems not to be overly active. I thought -- coming from >> Mailman v2 -- that the configuration of acceptable submitters to an >> email list (e.g. keep everyone moderated?) would be a central and >> prominent and important configuration issue. Seems not to be a central >> point. Mmmh. > > > > Acceptable aliases corresponds directly to MM 2.1 Privacy options... -> > Recipient filters -> acceptable_aliases. It has nothing to do with > submitters. It is a list of other addresses that can be in the To: or > Cc: of a post to avoid and "implicit destination" hold if the list > posting address is not there. However, the point here is that this bug makes the entire configuration tab unusable. I could live WITHOUT acceptable_aliases. This bug spoils the possibility to set ANY message acceptance settings _easily_. Of course, I can work around: * delete the text field for acceptable aliases before hitting submit * insert a fance @ character there, and give a damn about the fancy stuff mailman3 does with this However, the possibility to make an entire mailing list moderated -- ALL POSTS -- is a central point. Or not? If this is so complicated then one option might be to remove the entire "acceptable aliases" field. It does not work anyway, and spoils other useful things (read: all other settings in the "Message Acceptance" tab) The point is not so much what this particular setting is for, but: it is broken for more than a year now and spoils other useful settings in the configuration dialog that it is located at. The "Message Acceptance" dialog is a central point IMHO. You make have another opinion about that. Cheers Claus -- Claus-Justus Heine himself(a)claus-justus-heine.de http://www.claus-justus-heine.de/ Schatzmeister der Camerata Academica Freiburg e.V. --- www.cafev.de

7 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Archiver "prototype" and disabling archiving at all

by Abhilash Raj

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019, at 9:18 AM, Torge Riedel wrote: > Am 24.03.19 um 16:49 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > > On 3/24/19 5:40 AM, Torge Riedel wrote: > >> in the settings of a mailing list I can choose two archivers: > >> "Hyperkitty" and "prototype". What is this archive "prototype" and how > >> can I disable/remove/deinstall it? And how can I disable archiving at > >> all, so no archiver can be chosen in the settings. > > > > The prototype archiver stores messages individually in > > var/archives/prototype/LIST_NAME/. > > > > You can disable the prototype archiver by putting > > > > [archiver.prototype] > > enable: no > > > > in your mailman.cfg. To disable all archiving, just remove all the > > [archiver.*] sections from your mailman.cfg or set them to 'enable: no' > > > > > Hi Mark, > > thanks. This disabled the archivers, but there is still the "Archives" > link on top of the page. Is it possible to remove it? Cause there is > nothing to see there. I tried commenting "'hyperkitty'," in > INSTALLED_APPS, but then I got a 500. INSTALLED_APPS = ( 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', # Uncomment the next line to enable the admin: 'django.contrib.admin', # Uncomment the next line to enable admin documentation: # 'django.contrib.admindocs', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'django_gravatar', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', ) This is how it should look like if you want to remove Hyperkitty. There are a few other settings you should remove. https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/blob/master/example_project/settings.py This is a Postorius only configuration for reference. > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

6 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Deleting A List

by Odhiambo Washington

On Thu, May 2, 2024 at 8:11 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 5/2/24 03:42, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > I have deleted a list (list(a)nog.ke) - list_id = list.nog.ke. > > I can see from Django Admin UI that the archives are still intact. > > I created a new list (list(a)lists.nog.ke) - list_id = list.lists.nog.ke > > Is there a way to move the archives from the old list to the new list? > > > Change the `name` and `list_id` in the list's entry in the > `hyperkitty_mailinglist` table in the database. If there is already an > entry there for the new list, delete it > > ``` mysql> select id, name, list_id from hyperkitty_mailinglist; +----+----------------------------+----------------------------+ | id | name | list_id | +----+----------------------------+----------------------------+ | 1 | skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke | skunkworks.lists.my.co.ke | | 2 | list(a)nog.ke | list.nog.ke | | 3 | eanog(a)lists.my.co.ke | eanog.lists.my.co.ke | | 4 | isoc(a)lists.my.co.ke | isoc.lists.my.co.ke | | 5 | kazi(a)lists.my.co.ke | kazi.lists.my.co.ke | | 6 | kenog(a)lists.my.co.ke | kenog.lists.my.co.ke | | 7 | mechanics(a)lists.my.co.ke | mechanics.lists.my.co.ke | | 8 | science(a)lists.my.co.ke | science.lists.my.co.ke | | 9 | security(a)lists.my.co.ke | security.lists.my.co.ke | | 10 | vmware_tech(a)lists.my.co.ke | vmware_tech.lists.my.co.ke | | 11 | water(a)lists.my.co.ke | water.lists.my.co.ke | | 12 | wordpress(a)lists.my.co.ke | wordpress.lists.my.co.ke | | 13 | list(a)lists.nog.ke | list.lists.nog.ke | +----+----------------------------+----------------------------+ 13 rows in set (0.00 sec) mysql> delete from hyperkitty_mailinglist where id = 13; ERROR 1451 (23000): Cannot delete or update a parent row: a foreign key constraint fails (`mailmansuite`.`hyperkitty_mailinglist_owners`, CONSTRAINT `hyperkitty_mailingli_mailinglist_id_a47e04ec_fk_hyperkitt` FOREIGN KEY (`mailinglist_id`) REFERENCES `hyperkitty_mailinglist` (`id`)) ``` Is there an easier way? I need to delete id=13 then rename id=2 -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailing list resends same email multiple times

by 朱超

在 2023-03-10 04:54:28，"Mark Sapiro" <mark(a)msapiro.net> 写道： >On 3/9/23 04:18, 朱超 wrote: >> Hello, I need your help. There have question about Scenes: >> >> Add mailbox a and mailbox b to mailing lists c and mailing lists d, and send mail to mailing list c and mailing list d through mailbox b , among which a has received many mails sent by b, check the log and find: The file about path:/opt/mailman /var/queue/bounces has the content of retrying mail, but I turned off process bounces. >> >> Mailing list sends mail via exim, logs found in exim： 023-03-09 00:54:47 1pa4YR-001xk5-0y <= <> R=1pa4YM-001xje-1F U=exim P=local S=7672 T="Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender" from <> > >I need more information. Even though the list isn't brocessing bounces, >bounces will still be returned to the -bounces address and queued in >/opt/mailman/var/queue/bounces. If they remain there, the bounce runner >is not processing them. If the list's bounce processing is turned off, >the bounce runner should just dequeue the message and discard it. > >If multiple messages go to the list, something is returning them to the >list posting address instead of the list-bounces address. > Yes, You are right, I found the real reason and found that someone intercepted the mail sent through the mailing list, and then reposted the mail to the mailing list, resulting in multiple sending of mail. I only need to add spf detection in mta. Thanks Mark. >-- >Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, >San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > >_______________________________________________ >Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > >This message sent to tom_toworld(a)163.com

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: archiving problem & updates

by Christian Stalberg

I see two messages waiting to be archived. Below is excerpt from the logfile: Feb 10 13:40:49 2021 (974) held message approved, message-id: <CAGrL7FsaX8EG9pMUZreJrQt1xkEyR3ySuw2-xn3m443O0N3j1A(a)mail.gmail.com> [10/Feb/2021:13:40:49 +0000] "POST /3.1/lists/ncpoa(a)lists.ccalternatives.org/held/5 HTTP/1.1" 204 0 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [10/Feb/2021:13:40:49 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ncpoa(a)lists.ccalternatives.org/held?count=0&page=1 HTTP/1.1" 200 90 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [10/Feb/2021:13:40:49 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ncpoa(a)lists.ccalternatives.org/held?count=10&page=1 HTTP/1.1" 200 90 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [10/Feb/2021:13:40:50 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ncpoa(a)lists.ccalternatives.org/requests HTTP/1.1" 200 90 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [10/Feb/2021:13:40:50 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ncpoa(a)lists.ccalternatives.org/held?count=50&page=1 HTTP/1.1" 200 90 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" Feb 10 13:40:55 2021 (846) HyperKitty failure on https://lists.ccalternatives.org/archives/api/mailman/archive: <html>^M <head><title>413 Request Entity Too Large</title></head>^M <body bgcolor="white">^M <center><h1>413 Request Entity Too Large</h1></center>^M <hr><center>nginx/1.14.2</center>^M </body>^M </html>^M (413) Feb 10 13:40:55 2021 (846) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: <html>^M <head><title>413 Request Entity Too Large</title></head>^M <body bgcolor="white">^M <center><h1>413 Request Entity Too Large</h1></center>^M <hr><center>nginx/1.14.2</center>^M </body>^M </html>^M Feb 10 13:40:55 2021 (846) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init_ _.py", line 154, in _archive_message url = self._send_message(mlist, msg) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init_ _.py", line 210, in _send_message raise ValueError(result.text) ValueError: <html>^M <head><title>413 Request Entity Too Large</title></head>^M <body bgcolor="white">^M <center><h1>413 Request Entity Too Large</h1></center>^M <hr><center>nginx/1.14.2</center>^M </body>^M Feb 10 13:40:56 2021 (846) HyperKitty failure on https://lists.ccalternatives.org/archives/api/mailman/archive: <html>^M <head><title>413 Request Entity Too Large</title></head>^M <body bgcolor="white">^M <center><h1>413 Request Entity Too Large</h1></center>^M <hr><center>nginx/1.14.2</center>^M </body>^M </html>^M (413) Feb 10 13:40:56 2021 (846) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: <html>^M <head><title>413 Request Entity Too Large</title></head>^M <body bgcolor="white">^M <center><h1>413 Request Entity Too Large</h1></center>^M <hr><center>nginx/1.14.2</center>^M </body>^M </html>^M Feb 10 13:40:56 2021 (846) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init_ _.py", line 154, in _archive_message url = self._send_message(mlist, msg) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init_ _.py", line 210, in _send_message raise ValueError(result.text) ValueError: <html>^M <head><title>413 Request Entity Too Large</title></head>^M <body bgcolor="white">^M <center><h1>413 Request Entity Too Large</h1></center>^M <hr><center>nginx/1.14.2</center>^M </body>^M </html>^M [10/Feb/2021:13:41:38 +0000] "GET /3.1/domains HTTP/1.1" 200 321 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [10/Feb/2021:13:41:38 +0000] "GET /3.1/domains/lists.ccalternatives.org HTTP/1.1" 200 216 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [10/Feb/2021:13:41:38 +0000] "POST /3.1/lists/find HTTP/1.1" 200 1013 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [10/Feb/2021:13:41:53 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ncpoa.lists.ccalternatives.org HTTP/1.1" 200 453 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [10/Feb/2021:13:41:53 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ncpoa.lists.ccalternatives.org/roster/owner HTTP/1.1" 200 668 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [10/Feb/2021:13:41:53 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ncpoa.lists.ccalternatives.org/roster/moderator HTTP/1.1" 200 90 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [10/Feb/2021:13:41:53 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ncpoa(a)lists.ccalternatives.org/config HTTP/1.1" 200 3173 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [10/Feb/2021:13:41:53 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ncpoa.lists.ccalternatives.org/archivers HTTP/1.1" 200 100 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [10/Feb/2021:13:41:53 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ncpoa.lists.ccalternatives.org/archivers HTTP/1.1" 200 100 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [10/Feb/2021:13:41:53 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ncpoa(a)lists.ccalternatives.org/requests HTTP/1.1" 200 90 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [10/Feb/2021:13:41:54 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ncpoa.lists.ccalternatives.org/member/christian%40safecomputing.o rg HTTP/1.1" 404 26 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [10/Feb/2021:13:41:54 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ncpoa(a)lists.ccalternatives.org/requests HTTP/1.1" 200 90 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [10/Feb/2021:13:41:54 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ncpoa(a)lists.ccalternatives.org/held?count=50&page=1 HTTP/1.1" 200 90 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [10/Feb/2021:13:42:19 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ncpoa.lists.ccalternatives.org HTTP/1.1" 200 453 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [10/Feb/2021:13:42:19 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ncpoa.lists.ccalternatives.org/roster/owner HTTP/1.1" 200 668 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" [10/Feb/2021:13:42:19 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ncpoa.lists.ccalternatives.org/roster/moderator HTTP/1.1" 200 90 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 10:33 AM To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Re: archiving problem & updates On 2/18/21 10:00 AM, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-users wrote: > Archiving has stopped working. No changes were made to the server. How can I diagnose and troubleshoot this please? Start by looking at Mailman's logs and also see if there are messages to be archived in Mailman's var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ directory. > Are there instructions for how to update mailman3 somewhere? Is there a listing of bug fixes also? There are some instructions at <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/upgrade-3.2.html>. Bug fixes are listed in each project's 'news', e.g., <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS. html> for Mailman core and <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/news.html> for HyperKitty. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. 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4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Twitter OAuth2

by Odhiambo Washington

On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 10:08 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/29/22 00:31, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > Exactly, and I have entered all the credentials from the "OAuth 2.0 > Client > > ID and Client Secret" > > of the twitter developer portal. > > > > https://webmail.kictanet.or.ke/~wash/twitter-oauth.png > > > Try adding lists.kictanet.or.ke to Chosen sites along with > mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke Even with that added, still same error. ERROR 2022-12-29 15:26:40,224 70236 django.request Internal Server Error: /accounts/twitter/login/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 55, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/providers/oauth/views.py", line 43, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/providers/base/mixins.py", line 18, in dispatch return self.login(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/providers/oauth/views.py", line 75, in login client = self._get_client(request, callback_url) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/providers/oauth/views.py", line 49, in _get_client app = provider.get_app(request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/providers/base/provider.py", line 30, in get_app return adapter.get_app(request, self.id) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/adapter.py", line 204, in get_app app = SocialApp.objects.get_current(provider, request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/models.py", line 31, in get_current app = self.get(sites__id=site.id, provider=provider) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 85, in manager_method return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 650, in get raise self.model.DoesNotExist( allauth.socialaccount.models.SocialApp.DoesNotExist: SocialApp matching query does not exist. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Database permission problem?

by Bill Oliver

On Tue, 2024-10-15 at 17:20 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/15/24 14:45, Bill Oliver wrote: > > > > In any case, here it is changed back: > > > > ls -l > > total 68 > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 Oct 15 12:53 postfic_vmap.db > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 12288 Oct 15 12:53 postfic_vmap.db.db > > Were these created manually? They should not be there. Likewise the > .db.db files below. See previous reply. > > > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 353 Oct 15 13:37 postfix_domains > > -rw-r----- 1 mailman mailman 12288 Oct 15 13:37 postfix_domains.db > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 12288 Oct 15 12:53 > > postfix_domains.db.db > > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 1155 Oct 15 13:37 postfix_lmtp > > -rw-r----- 1 mailman mailman 12288 Oct 15 13:37 postfix_lmtp.db > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 12288 Oct 15 12:53 postfix_lmtp.db.db > > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 1118 Oct 15 13:37 postfix_vmap > > -rw-r----- 1 mailman mailman 12288 Oct 15 13:37 postfix_vmap.db > > > Does Postfix have read and search ('x') on all of /opt, /opt/mailman, > /opt/mailman/mm, /opt/mailman/mm/var and /opt/mailman/mm/var/data? > > Perhaps there is a SELinux issue. Yes. The directory is globally searchable: ls -l total 44 drwxr-xr-x 4 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 10 18:29 archives drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 5 20:45 cache drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 15 22:26 data drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 5 20:45 etc drwxr-xr-x 3 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 10 18:20 lists drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 15 22:30 locks drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 5 20:45 logs -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 5 Oct 15 22:26 master.pid drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 5 20:45 messages drwxr-xr-x 14 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 5 20:45 queue drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Oct 5 20:45 templates SELinux is not installed on this machine yet. That will come later. Thanks for the replies. billo >

9 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Issue with Held Messages

by Jean-Luc Wasmer

On 2016-08-19 17:58, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 08/17/2016 09:17 PM, Jean-Luc Wasmer wrote: >> >> No matter what action I set for member posts (Hold for moderator, >> Reject) they are always delivered. > > > I don't know why this would be. Perhaps the member's moderation is set > to Accept immediately - you can see this on ther member's options page > in Postorius when logged in as a list owner. Apart from "Mode of Delivery" that is set to "Regular" for the user, none of the following attributes are set: Mail Delivery Receive own posts to the list Receive acknowledgement mails Conceal address from the subscriber list Avoid duplicate copies of messages > When the message is delivered, what are the X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: and > X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: headers? > There is no X-Mailman-Rule-Hits header. X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: approved; emergency; loop; member-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; suspicious-header; nonmember-moderation By the way, I didn't mention before but in Settings | Message Acceptance, the "Acceptable aliases:" box contains "[]". When I try to Save changes after modifying something, I gut "An error occured: []" in the yellow banner (instead of "The settings have been updated."). >> When I tried from a non-member email address, the message got held but >> when I try to see it I get a Server Error (500) page. The log files >> shows: >> >> ERROR 2016-08-18 01:04:30,231 base 21026 34722993152 Internal Server >> Error: /mailman3/lists/test.mydomain.com/held_messages >> Traceback (most recent call last): > ... >> File >> "/usr/local/mailman/mailman-bundler/eggs/mailmanclient-1.0.1-py2.7.egg/mailmanclient/_client.py", >> line 443, in held >> moderation_reasons=entry['moderation_reasons'], >> KeyError: u'moderation_reasons' > > > This is apparently <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailmanclient/issues/10> > fixed by <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailmanclient/merge_requests/16> Any ETA when this will be pushed to "mailman-bundler"? Cheers, Jena-Luc

8 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman 3 - Header Filter

by Henrik Rasmussen

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 4/22/19 2:34 PM, Thomas Lehker wrote: > > I am a Mailman neophyte and need help with filtering posts based on the subject field. We have a few list owners that want 'Out of Office' replies discarded. When using the below syntax in Postorius/Header filter the post is not discarded but ends up in 'Held Messages'. Is there any syntax I am missing or a setting in the lists that needs to be disabled/enabled to get these posts dropped? Any help is much appreciated. > The issue may be that in Mailman core's 'builtin' chain, the checking of > header_matches occurs after the check for member moderation so if the > member moderation check results in the message being held, the > header_matches aren't checked. There may me a newer thread about this, but I haven't found it. In my case I would be more interested in holding or discarding mails with subject 'Out of Office' if the mail would otherewise be send the to the list members due to a non-moderated list. I would emagine that the order of "check for member moderation" and header_matches would not be significant if holding or discarding the mail due to header_matches, am I right? 🤞🏻 If so, I would think that Header "subject:" or "subject" with Pattern "^(?i)(.*)autosvar(.*)" - without the double quotes - and Function "Hold for moderation" or "Discard" should either hold or discard any message with "Autosvar" (danish word for "Out of Office reply") somewhere in the subject, but that doesn't happen. What is the correct syntax? I know that filtering out Out of Office replies is just as hard as spam filtering, since it varies, but at least there is some kind of consistency in the wording, so I would give it a try. *) In a prevous mail I was told that ^ would tell Mailman that it is a regex. -- Henrik Rasmussen her(a)adm.ku.dk Copenhagen, Denmark

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius & multi domain

by Gelpi Andrea

Thank You so much for your quickly answer and explanation. I understand that the web server name must be equal to the email domain. I read the issue. I'm not a python programmer so I ask you if it'd be long to implement a workaround like this. If the web server is a.example.com and the email domain is example.com It'd be possible to drop the "a" and send the email domain only in the query? It's a workaround. Can you help me in this? Regards, -- AG Il 22/04/20 18:22, Mark Sapiro ha scritto: > On 4/22/20 8:14 AM, Gelpi Andrea wrote: >> >> I search internet for a while and I discovered that using >> FILTER_VHOST = True >> seems to solve the problem. >> >> >From posotrius config page: >> >> FILTER_VHOST >> Filter the list of available lists in Postorius and Hyperkitty >> depending on the domain they are being currently served from. Mailman 3 >> supports multiple domains in a single installation. >> >> But it doesn't work. I got err 500 form apache. > > > FILTER_VHOST is currently broken unless each domain has the same value > for the web and email domains. See the thread at > <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…> > and the issue at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/394>. > > >> Were can I find an explanation or a how to configure the system to have >> 2 webserver with different domains working on the some server as it was >> with mailman 2? > > > If each domain has the same value for the web and email hosts, > FILTER_VHOST will work. > > Currently though if you have domains like web host = lists.example.com > and email host = example.com, FILTER_VHOST is broken. > -- Gelpi ing. Andrea ************************************************** I documenti vitali dimostreranno la loro vitalitˆ spostandosi spontaneamente da dove li avevate lasciati a dove non riuscirete a trovarli. **************************************************

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: No styling for web apps?

by Morris Jones

On 11/26/20 10:09 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/26/20 8:44 PM, Morris Jones wrote: >> I have most of a new mailman suite server built and working ... >> >> collectstatic gathered a good array of static files (uncompressed so far) >> >> nginx appears to be serving them successfully >> >> The Firefox developer tools show css and js files all being delivered >> >> But none of the postorius or hyperkitty pages exhibit any styling at >> all, only bare HTML elements. >> >> The Firefox inspector will show the available styles being requested and >> delivered (style.css, bootstrap, jquery, all the things). >> >> But if I use the inspector to look at the page, nothing has any CSS >> properties. >> >> I know I'm missing something simple. > > Try running collectstatic and, if you use it, compress again. These have > to be run following various kinds of changes. > Appreciated, but to no avail: (venv) mailman@mail:~/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project$ python manage.py collectstatic You have requested to collect static files at the destination location as specified in your settings: /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/static This will overwrite existing files! Are you sure you want to do this? Type 'yes' to continue, or 'no' to cancel: yes 0 static files copied to '/opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/static', 399 unmodified. (venv) mailman@mail:~/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project$ python manage.py compress CommandError: Compressor is disabled. Set the COMPRESS_ENABLED setting or use --force to override. And then https://mailman.whiteoaks.com I'll spend time in the Firefox developer tools to see if I can figure out what's missing. A DuckDuckGo search suggested it could be a character encoding issue. The style sheets all come up reporting "0 rules" in the developer tools. I haven't tried any other browsers either. Best regards, Mojo -- Morris Jones, Monrovia, CA BridgeMojo <http://bridgemojo.com> Old Town Sidewalk Astronomers <http://otastro.org> Mojo's Blog <http://mojo.whiteoaks.com>

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Twitter OAuth2

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, Dec 26, 2022 at 7:33 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/26/22 06:14, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > I'd like to integrate Twitter OAuth as part of the Social Accounts in my > > setup. > > I have gone through > > https://django-allauth.readthedocs.io/en/latest/providers.html#twitter, > but > > cannot find the config options to add to my settings. > > Does someone have a config block setting for "SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS =" > ? > > > The last I looked into using Twitter as an OAuth2 provider, which was > some time ago, it would not work because Twitter would not provide the > user's email address via OAuth2. Possibly this could work if the user's > name was her Twitter handle. > > As far as SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS is concerned, you don't need anything. > You just need to create your OAuth2 app and provide the keys via the > Django admin SOCIAL ACCOUNTS interface. See > > https://django-allauth.readthedocs.io/en/latest/providers.html#twitter-oaut… What I did: 1. I had to uncomment the relevant line under the INSTALLED_APPS = in settings.py. I had to restart Apache so that I can get the relevant provider name at https://mysite.name/admin/socialaccount/socialapp/ 2. I would then configure the social app as per https://django-allauth.readthedocs.io/en/latest/providers.html 3. Lastly, I needed to add the relevant options under the SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = in settings.py. Now I have this: SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = { 'google': { 'SCOPE': ['profile', 'email'], 'AUTH_PARAMS': {'access_type': 'online'}, }, 'github': { 'SCOPE': [ 'user', 'repo', 'read:org', ], }, 'facebook': { 'METHOD': 'oauth2', 'SCOPE': ['email'], 'FIELDS': [ 'email', 'name', 'first_name', 'last_name', 'locale', 'timezone', ], 'VERSION': 'v15.0', }, } And those are working but was wondering what to add for Twitter. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: MTA setup

by Arte Chambers

Is the mailman lmtp runner a cron job? Thank you, Paul 'Arte Chambers' Robey 502-408-6922 On Tue, Dec 24, 2024 at 12:31 PM Arte Chambers <paul.m.robey(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Looks like the from header is the email address I am using for testing: From: > Arte Chambers <paul.m.robey(a)gmail.com> > > > > ``` > $mailman qfile > /opt/mailman/mm/var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/1734973370.5060537+806f73d2a296b0293228a9489b81129740d7afea.pck > [----- start pickle -----] > <----- start object 1 -----> > Received: from mail-lj1-f182.google.com (mail-lj1-f182.google.com > [209.85.208.182]) > by list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E36381ED2 > for <testing(a)list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com>; Mon, 23 Dec 2024 > 17:02:48 +0000 (UTC) > Received: by mail-lj1-f182.google.com with SMTP id > 38308e7fff4ca-3003e203acaso44323081fa.1 > for <testing(a)list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com>; Mon, 23 Dec > 2024 09:02:48 -0800 (PST) > DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; > d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1734973367; 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Mon, 23 Dec 2024 > 09:02:45 -0800 (PST) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > References: < > 77112962-9e9b-4692-bc81-05f1957fb823(a)smtp-relay.sendinblue.com> > In-Reply-To: < > 77112962-9e9b-4692-bc81-05f1957fb823(a)smtp-relay.sendinblue.com> > From: Arte Chambers <paul.m.robey(a)gmail.com> > Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2024 12:02:08 -0500 > Message-ID: <CAM05vAepJnJQengX825dZ4E1PVVxeEgv4ogUcmifP9tqh1i= > mg(a)mail.gmail.com> > To: Arte Chambers <paul.m.robey(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="00000000000021f3da0629f2f7aa" > Message-ID-Hash: T3RQI2JNPUFO4WGGVSJTMYLTHPGOXOAG > X-Message-ID-Hash: T3RQI2JNPUFO4WGGVSJTMYLTHPGOXOAG > X-MailFrom: paul.m.robey(a)gmail.com > X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; > banned-address; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; > administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; > no-subject; digests; suspicious-header > CC: testing(a)list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com > X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 > Precedence: list > Subject: [Testing] Re: test 12.23.24 11.57 > List-Id: For testing mailing list software < > testing.list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com> > Archived-At: <> > List-Archive: <> > List-Help: <mailto:testing-request@list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com > ?subject=help> > List-Owner: <mailto:testing-owner@list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com> > List-Post: <mailto:testing@list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com> > List-Subscribe: <mailto:testing-join@list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto: > testing-leave(a)list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com> > > --00000000000021f3da0629f2f7aa > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Thank you, > Paul 'Arte Chambers' Robey > 502-408-6922 > > > On Mon, Dec 23, 2024 at 2:24 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> On 12/23/24 09:01, Arte Chambers via Mailman-users wrote: >> > Output from mailman log after sending a test message to the list: >> > >> > Dec 23 16:52:23 2024 (684048) Traceback (most recent call last): >> > File >> > >> "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", >> > line 158, in _archive_message >> > url = self._send_message(mlist, msg) >> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> > File >> > >> "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", >> > line 228, in _send_message >> > raise ValueError(result.text) >> > ValueError: >> > <!doctype html> >> > <html lang="en"> >> > <head> >> > <title>Bad Request (400)</title> >> > </head> >> > <body> >> > <h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p> >> > </body> >> > </html> >> >> mailman_hyperkitty is sending the message to hyperkitty to be archived >> and receiving the 400 response. Presumably it has previously requested >> and received the list_url and the permalink to put in the message >> headers. This can be confirmed by the presence of List-Archive: and >> Archived-At: headers with values in the messages from the list. So the >> configuration seems to be correct to allow mailman_hyperkitty to >> communicate with hyperkitty. It is not clear why, but this code >> >> https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/views/mailma… >> is getting the ValueError. That can come from one of three places in >> >> https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/lib/incoming…. >> >> The lack of a Message-ID: is not it because Mailman's lmtp runner will >> add one. Most likely it is the non-ascii sender address from >> >> https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/lib/incoming… >> >> What do you get from >> ``` >> mailman qfile var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/xxx.pck >> ``` >> where xxx.pck is one of the (hopefully smaller) files. In particular, >> what is the From: header in that? >> >> -- >> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, >> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >> Archived at: >> https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… >> >> This message sent to paul.m.robey(a)gmail.com >> >

7 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: User settings triggers error

by Mark Dadgar

On Jun 18, 2020, at 4:08 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 6/18/20 3:33 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: >> >> Any thoughts on how to salvage ~20 years of list archives? > > > The archives shouldn't be an issue. I don't think they are involved in > the corruption, but anyway, hopefully you still have the archive mbox > you imported. Then for the messages since then, you should be able to > get a mbox from hyperkitty with something like > > https://example.com/hyperkitty/list/listname@example.com/export/arbitrary-n… > > with the obvious substitutions and appropriate start and end dates. > > The list is trickier. If you are going to start over with a clean > install, and if you have a config.pck that you imported from MM 2.1, I > suggest the following: > > Use the `mailman members` command to get a list of all members. Then > depending on how much work you want to do, also get separate lists of > plaintext and mime digest members and members with delivery disabled. > > Then on the new install, import the config.pck with `mailman import21` > and import the archive mboxes with hyperkitty_import. > > Run `mailman members --sync` with the full current membership list, and > record the [ADD]s. Then you can match the [ADD]s against the plain and > mime digest members and those with delivery disabled and set their options. > > That's a lot to do, but it should get you close. I would probably be satisfied with just exporting the current list of member email addresses + names and letting people go back and change their list settings to switch to digest, etc. if necessary. > On the other hand, if you can wait, we might be able to figure out how > to fix this, and it's even possible the underlying issue isn't database > corruption. Sure - I can wait. Thank you. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: API timeout for one list

by Abhilash Raj

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020, at 6:33 AM, Seth Seeger wrote: > > > On Sep 22, 2020, at 4:30 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > > On 9/22/20 12:45 PM, Seth Seeger wrote: > >> I apologize, because I think this was talked about before, but I could not find it in the archives. > >> > >> For one list, the REST API times out. Doesn’t seem to matter which page I try to go to. The uwsgi-error.log entry: > >> > > ... > >> The other lists work fine. > > > > This can happen on lists with lots of members. > > > > Try increasing the timeout. See <https://wiki.list.org/x/17892072> > > Thank you - that did solve my timeout problem. > > However, each page for this list takes between 40 and 80 seconds to > load. The list has 465 members, and it’s running (via Docker) on a 2 > core, 4 GB RAM Linode VM. I’ve watch htop during the load - one CPU > is around 20%, and the other hovers around 80%, mostly with the process > “runner”. > > Is there a way to optimize this list? There are no held messages, no > subscription requests, no templates. Are there any subscription requests pending confirmation from the User. If you go to Subscription Requests -> Pending Confirmation from list's admin page, you'll see the list there. In the past, I've noticed this caused a significant delay in every list page. This has since been fixed in the master branch, but yet to be released. > > The next biggest list has 438 members, and all those pages load very > quickly (0-2 seconds). I can’t figure out what the difference between > the two lists. > > Thanks, > Seth > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: EMWD/Affinity/Empathy in 2023

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > I have had some contact [with EMWD], but not much. As far as I > know, they are still in business and offering list hosting > including Mailman 3 lists with Affinity and Empathy. They no longer > offer support for installation and maintenance of Mailman on other > people's servers. That exactly describes my experience. To jaboyib556, I recommend you contact them directly and make your own judgment. I do not know the current operators of EMWD, but I do know that the Carpenter family carefully vetted several bids. And their concentration on servers they run suggests they know what they're good at and have focus. I think they're a good bet, but only you can judge. > As far as I know, it was only EMWD that did this and for business > reasons, kept it proprietary. I corresponded with Brian about this.[1] He said that a third-party consultant (not sure if they're related to the current operators) built the Affinity and Empathy applications in PHP on a limited budget, and he felt that he needed to keep them proprietary as a temporary "no competition" measure until they could build up a nest egg to support on-going development. He said, and I have no reason to disbelieve him, that he thought it would take a year to build the reputation, another year to recoup the investment, and within that time frame he planned an open source release. I suspect he planned a Aladdin Ghostscript-like strategy: with the publication of release N, he would release N-1 as open source. He made no commitments, but I believe that was his aspiration. He was always a great supporter of Mailman, giving generously of his time and expertise to people on our lists including those hosting with other businesses. We miss him a lot. Footnotes: [1] On friendly terms: "hope for an open-source release" is not a matter of moral imperative with me, and I believe I speak for all Mailman developers on that.

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem with digests not being sent daily

by Mark

On 6/21/24 02:07, Mark wrote: >> ...The mmdf files don't exist in the list's directory although there >> have been many posts to the list throughout the day. On 2024-06-21 15:55, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Assuming your mailman/app/digests.py is unmodified, there is some race > condition. The code beginning at > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/app/digests.py… > finds the file and size is > 0, but by the time it gets to > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/app/digests.py… > the file is gone. > > What other crons run at the same time? The digest.py file is out-of-the-box and unmodified. ls -la /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/app/ ... -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 4642 Jan 30 08:06 digests.py The /var/log/cron.log shows the crons running at the same time as digest at 22:30 hours. # tail -f cron.log ... 2024-06-21T22:30:01.368407+00:00 deu CRON[3422196]: (root) CMD (sh /templates/mailman_custom_templates.sh > /dev/null) 2024-06-21T22:30:01.369050+00:00 deu CRON[3422197]: (mailman) CMD (/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs quarter_hourly) 2024-06-21T22:30:01.371586+00:00 deu CRON[3422198]: (mailman) CMD (/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman notify) 2024-06-21T22:30:01.371878+00:00 deu CRON[3422199]: (mailman) CMD (/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman digests --periodic) 2024-06-21T22:30:01.372190+00:00 deu CRON[3422202]: (mailman) CMD (/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs minutely) /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// The mailman crons are more or less out-of-the-box: MAILTO=imark(a)posteo.net 30 22 * * * /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman digests --periodic 30 22 * * * /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman notify #@daily /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman digests --periodic #@daily /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman notify # * * * * * /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs minutely 0,15,30,45 * * * * /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs quarter_hourly @hourly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs hourly @daily /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs daily @weekly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs weekly @monthly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs monthly @yearly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs yearly # The root cron just runs a bash script every 5 minutes to copy custom templates from the mailman and mailmanweb databases and write them to files. ...

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: ARC signing outgoing mails

by Wolfgang Bock

Hello, thanks for these hints. Now it works and outgoing mails from my lists are no longer greylisted. .... ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=xx.de ... .... ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=xx.de .... Here my mailman.cfg (debian buster/dovecot/postfix/rspamd/mysql/mailman3) quote [ARC] enabled= yes selector= dkim privkey: /path/to/rspamd/dkim/{conf.ARC.domain}.{conf.ARC.selector}.key unquote The below mentioned hash should be deleted. In the above mentioned directory the dkim key-files are saved in following style [domain].[selector].key Regards Wolfgang Am 02.11.2019 um 01:19 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 11/1/19 4:04 PM, Wolfgang Bock via Mailman-users wrote: >> Hello, >> >> in >> https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/handlers/docs/arc_sign… >> I found this hint >> >> "It is highly recommended that Mailman maintainers configure ARC siging >> of their outgoing email. ..." >> >> So I added in my mailman.cfg: >> " >> [ARC] >> privkey: /path/to/private.key >> " >> >> >> But I don't understand the meaning of >> >> >> "... and located at: >> " >> #{config.ARC.selector}._domainkeys.#{config.ARC.domain} –ex.– >> test._domainkeys.example.com >> " > This doesn't seem correct. The DNS TXT record should be added to > #{config.ARC.selector}._domainkey.#{config.ARC.domain} (note _domainkey, > not _domainkeys) > > I.e., this is a normal DNS TXT record containing the public key for DKIM > signing. > >> Where can I find this string or where do I have to place it. I am using >> bind9 as dns-handler. > > Read the entire ARC section beginning at > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/blob/master/src/mailman/config/schema.cf…>. > You have to configure more than just privkey. > > Once you have configured > > enabled: yes > privkey: /some/location/yourprivatekey.pem > selector: test (or whatever you want) > domain: your_domain.com > > The substitutions for #{config.ARC.selector} and #{config.ARC.domain} > should be more clear. >

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Connection lost during _handle_client()

by Alain D D Williams

On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 08:47:38PM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/27/24 5:58 PM, Alain D D Williams wrote: > > Nov 28 00:59:45 2024 (1268378) ('127.0.0.1', 42128) connection lost > > Nov 28 00:59:45 2024 (1268378) ('127.0.0.1', 42128) Connection lost during _handle_client() > > > > I am concerned about the connection lost message above. > > > It is normal and not a concern. > > > > Mailman sees it, the message ID matches that at the end of the first line > > in the exim log (above): > > /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log > > Nov 28 00:59:45 2024 (1268377) ACCEPT: <Z0fAe9xODd2y33N8(a)phcomp.co.uk> > > > So Mailman got the message and accepted it. > > > > Is there any more logging that I can look-at/switch-on to see what is happening ? > > Is there anything else in mailman.log? Does the message get archived? > Is there anthing in any of Mailman's var/queue/* directories? /var/lib/mailman3/queue/out/ contains 4 .pck files and one .bak file. There are being continually read & replaced by other files of similar names - like 1732809409.1069376+eb3354a0fc1f0a9bfa95ff7e15e2430ab7c2b885.pck The process doing this is a 'qrunner' I am getting ~50 lines/second appended to /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log [pid: 1348330|app: 0|req: 4366/4366] ::1 () {54 vars in 1065 bytes} [Thu Nov 28 17:02:18 2024] GET /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls?mlist=chat%40bray.phcomp.co.uk&msgid=Z0iJAoTHHrzK2ypO%40phcomp.co.uk => generated 126 bytes in 3 msecs (HTTP/1.1 200) 7 headers in 220 bytes (1 switches on core 1) Yes: the mail list is chat(a)bray.phcomp.co.uk /var/lib/mailman3/queue/shunt/ contains 4 .pck files. > Is Mailman core running? Systemctl says so & ps shows me one 'master', several 'runner' & 2 uwsgi > Does `mailman members --nomail enabled` list any members? Yes: it gives the list that I expect. -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Auth question

by David Krantz

On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > No, I'm using Django 1.9.9. I suppose that means it will quit working if > I upgrade to Django 1.10. > > So, I updated my urls to > > url(r'^$', RedirectView.as_view(url=reverse_lazy('hk_root'))), > > and updated the attached files at > <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience>. Very good. That will be helpful. Now everything works for me except the archiver. There I get strange errors where it requires authentication. I _have_ set MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY (in production.py) and api_key in mailman_hyperkitty.conf to the same value within single quotes. This is probably something extremely silly that my jetlagged brain cannot see. [mailman.log] Apr 09 19:10:42 2017 (14388) HyperKitty failure on https://example.com/archives/api/mailman/urls: <html><title>Auth required</title><body> <h1>Authorization Required</h1></body></html> (401) Apr 09 19:10:44 2017 (14388) HyperKitty failure on https://example.com/archives/api/mailman/urls: <html><title>Auth required</title><body> <h1>Authorization Required</h1></body></html> (401) Apr 09 19:10:44 2017 (14388) HyperKitty failure on https://example.com/archives/api/mailman/urls: <html><title>Auth required</title><body> <h1>Authorization Required</h1></body></html> (401) Apr 09 19:10:45 2017 (14383) HyperKitty failure on https://example.com/archives/api/mailman/archive: <html><title>Auth required</title><body> <h1>Authorization Required</h1></body></html> (401) Apr 09 19:10:45 2017 (14383) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: <html><title>Auth required</title><body> <h1>Authorization Required</h1></body></html> Apr 09 19:10:45 2017 (14383) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/venv-3.4/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty-1.0.2-py3.4.egg/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 154, in _archive_message url = self._send_message(mlist, msg) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/venv-3.4/lib/python3.4/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty-1.0.2-py3.4.egg/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 210, in _send_message raise ValueError(result.text) ValueError: <html><title>Auth required</title><body> <h1>Authorization Required</h1></body></html> No big deal for me currently, but as I have an archiver I must find out either how to activate it or how to completely remove it. I like having the option, for some kinds of lists archives are useful. Cheers // David

8 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Bottom line of message footer

by Brian Carpenter

On 2/14/21 9:05 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/14/21 5:40 PM, Tom Stoddard wrote: >> Here's another question that I have. A regular message just came into my >> email from one of the lists I'm a member of and it had a 3 line footer. >> The first two lines are fine, they just include the list's email address >> and an address to send unsubscribe requests to. The third line is this: >> >> %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s >> >> It looks to me like it should be a link to the group's list info page. >> Is this a bug or is there something I can do to fix it? It looks like it >> might be missing a forward slash after the first "s". > This is a list whose msg_footer was imported by The Mailman 3 process > that imports Mailman 2.1 lists. This import process will recognize the > default msg_footer and not create a list specific template for it, but > other things in the footer result in a list specific template which > needs to be reviewed for issues like this. > > The way for you to fix it is to create a list:member:regular:footer (and > maybe a list:member:digest:footer) template in your web UI which will > then override the existing list specific template. The available > replacements are listed at > <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/…>. > In templates they are all $ strings, e.g. $name. The %(name)s > replacements are Mailman 2.1 and won't work. Also, there is no > replacement for web_page_url because Mailman Core doesn't know what that > is, so you have to include the actual 'https://.../' value if you want > to include a web link. Thank you Mark. @Tom the templates you want to modify to add a Mailman 3 footer to replace the above are: Regular Message Footer Digest Footer -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Odd behavior: "Invalid" list destinations result in mail routing loop w/ SMTP relay in line

by Thomas Ward

See, that's the oddness. There appears to be SOME weird mail loop here where $ORIGIN (MS365/Exchange) hands it once, then there's back-and-forth between SMTPPROXY and Mailman. IT's really odd how it behaves, and I have no explanation for it. Right now I'm away from the office where this happens, but when I'm back there I'll grab logs from both sides. Thomas On 12/5/23 17:54, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 12/5/23 10:08, Thomas Ward via Mailman-users wrote: >> We use a multi-hop SMTP system to go from the inside of our network >> out to the Internet at the domain test.lists.example.com. >> >> The setup is this way for ingress: >> >> {EXTERNAL} -> MS365 (relay/antispam) -> MS On-Prem (via 365 >> Connector) -> Mailman for delivery to listserv >> >> Egress is this: >> >> Mailman -> Postfix SMTP Relay (smtpproxy) -> INTERNET >> >> -- >> >> When a message is sent an invalid list (we'll call it >> invalid(a)test.lists.example.com) we end up with a nasty side effect in >> the system. The "no such recipient" response gets sent to the >> smtpproxy machine and then *it gets redelivered back to Mailman* as a >> redelivery as if it isn't accepting a permanent-failure condition code. > > > I don't understand why this is happening. Whatever MTA is seeing the > "no such recipient" status and creating the response DSN should be > sending it to the envelope sender of the original message so it should > not be sent to the invalid mailman address. Is one of the MTAs in the > delivery chain to Mailman rewriting the envelope sender? > > What are the MTA log messages from all the MTAs whos logs you have > access to? >

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Is there a way of recording bounce messages?

by Andrew Hodgson

Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >On 9/21/23 17:30, Thomas Ward wrote: >> >> MS365's bounce handling is weird and they do not include a delivery report in the payload, instead they take the log data and append it as a text payload portion to the message. It's annoying and problematic when debugging (and likely triggers the mailman2 equivalent of "unprocessable bounce message"). >> >> If Andrew can provide the bounce message as an example in raw form (even off list) we can dissect it - myself probably more rapidly as I am fluent in reading them at this point from weeks worth of dealing with them - and that will probably yield the info you are looking for. >It appears however that Mailman does recognize the DSN returned by MS365 as the user's delivery is being disabled by bounce. The issue is whatever DSN is returned to the list-bounces address is not attached to the notice sent to the list owner about the disable and it should be. Ok guys the plot thickens. Yesterday using the Mailman Shell I unbounced all the users on that list. We had a couple of messages yesterday and I also enabled the From munging for all messages sent to the list partway through those messages coming to the list. This morning we got all Gmail users bounced again, with no NDR attached to the message. However on one of the messages the NDR was attached, and so I'm going to send that to Mark separately. It looks like the NDR included the information for all the bouncing messages though, and that is probably because Mailman sends the messages to all users in one SMTP transaction. The message returned from Google was: user(a)gmail.com 9/22/2023 9:44:55 AM - Server at PAVPR08MB9257.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com returned '550 5.4.300 Message expired -> 421 4.4.2 Connection dropped due to SocketError' 9/22/2023 9:24:03 AM - Server at gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com (142.250.27.27) returned '421 4.4.2 Connection dropped due to SocketError' Thanks. Andrew.

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Manual setup - permissions

by Abhilash Raj

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019, at 3:02 AM, Tobias Hachmer via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi Mark, > > thanks for your response. > > On 9/23/19 1:29 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > On 9/22/19 2:11 AM, Tobias Hachmer via Mailman-users wrote: > >> > >> Now, running the scheduled tasks (which run from user+group "nginx") for > >> django I ran into permission problems, because the nginx user can't > >> access/write to the needed files in /opt/mailman3/core/... > >> > >> I would appreciate any hints how to run the different peaces of mailman3 > >> with the correct user/groups/permissions. > > > > > > Set up everything as user:group mailman3:mailman3. I.e., > > > > chown -R mailman3:mailman3 /opt/mailman3/web > > > > and set the uwsgi service to drop privileges to user+group "mailman3". > > So simple, now the scheduled tasks are working, but the whole web > service did not work because the web server user nginx can't access and > write to the uwsgi socket anymore /opt/mailman3/web/project/run/uwsgi.sock. > > # chown -R nginx:mailman3 /opt/mailman3/web > > This works for all. But isn't it a security risk that e.g. manage.py and > settings.py is read- and writeable by the webserver? You just need them to be readable, not writable. You could possibly use xattrs to do just grant read privs. You could also configure uwsgi to create a socket somewhere nginx can read it, `/var/run/uwsgi.sock` should be good enough. You can in theory also try https://uwsgi-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Systemd.html for systemd setup in which case you don't have to manually create sockets as systemd can do that for you. > > Regards, > Tobias > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > > *Attachments:* > * signature.asc -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: problems installing mailman3 under gentoo and upgrading mailman2 to mailman3

by Abhilash Raj

> On Mar 13, 2021, at 1:09 PM, John Covici <covici(a)ccs.covici.com> wrote: > > On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 14:46:55 -0500, > Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> On 3/13/21 11:14 AM, John Covici wrote: >>> >>> Now one thing came up while trying to create the database, I got a >>> traceback complaining about a revision error because gentoo had a >>> slightly different version (3.3.2) instead of 3.3.3 using pip. When I >>> upgrade mailman, am I going to have to do something to the database as >>> well and why should the database have some kind of reference to the >>> mailman version? >> >> >> I don't know why this is an issue. You shouldn't need to do anything >> with the database when you upgrade. Please post the full traceback and >> error message. > > Sorry I can't reproduce it, after dropping and recreating the database > the error went away, but it was in alembic and it was talking about an > invalid revision and gave a long hex string. > My guess is that you updated the database (perhaps, by invoking the mailman command form 3.3.3) and then tried to start 3.3.2. In this case, Mailman comes up and sees a new revision for the database migration added from 3.3.3 but can’t find the same migration in its source (because it is 3.3.2). But that’s just my guess without looking at the traceback. > -- > Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: > How do > you spend it? > > John Covici wb2una > covici(a)ccs.covici.com <mailto:covici@ccs.covici.com> > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org <mailto:mailman-users-leave@mailman3.org> > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ <https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/>

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Confusing mailman user model

by Gilles Filippini

Mark Sapiro a écrit le 19/07/2020 à 17:30 : > On 7/19/20 8:10 AM, Gilles Filippini wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm trying to understand the Mailman user model, and I'm confused about >> the respective roles of tables 'auth_user' and 'user'. > > > auth_user is a Django auth table. These are the users listed in the > Django admin web UI. > > user is Mailman core's users. > > >> Both have an 'id' column referred to as 'user_id' when used as a foreign >> key. But there seems to be no relation at all between them as they use >> different ids for the same user. > > > Right, they are unrelated. > > >> Our mailman server was migrated from mailman2 to mailman3 about 1.5 year >> ago, and there is an inconsistency I'd like to fix: >> 2 of our users have a registered Mailman account with their respective >> email addresses in table 'auth_user', but these very same addresses in >> the 'address' table are linked to another old admin account in the >> 'user' table. > > Their Mailman account is the 'old' one. the auth_user account is a > Django account >> >> Then if add one of these addresses as a domain owner, it it the old >> admin address which is selected instead. How could I fix that? > > > That's because domain owner in a Mailman thing and involvs the Mailman > user. You could delete the Django users via the Django admin UI and then > re-register them via Postorius. That *might* work. When login into postorius, it is the Django account that is used, right? Then how is the mailman account retrieved from there? It seems UUIDs are used in the process, but I fail understanding how, so far. Wouldn't it be safe to retrieve the new Mailman account associated to these Django users, and link there emails from 'address' table' to them? _g.

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty_import Unicode Errors

by Stephen J Turnbull

On 2023-05-07 07:39 Mark Sapiro writes: > On 5/6/23 11:27, Dave Hall via Mailman-users wrote: >> django.db.utils.OperationalError: (1366, "Incorrect string value: >> '\\xE1\\x90\\xA7\\x0A\\x0AO...' for column >> `mailman3web`.`hyperkitty_email`.`content` at row 1") >> >> Is there a known cause for this? Almost always nonconforming user clients. You write "frequently", but I'm guessing it's maybe 1% or 2% of all the messages, right? I suspect it's a particular author or institution using such a client. >> Is it fixed in some release more recent than 0+20180916? This is almost surely not something we can fix. Based on the error, it's in third party code (Django) that we import. It's possible we could provide a more explanatory message, but the only thing we can sensibly do is hold the message for an admin to edit it by hand. As long as the text in question and the Content-Type header aren't too sensitive, we can help with identifying charset (often UTF-8 as Mark suggests but why someone would be encoding FINAL MIDDLE DOT is a mystery to me). > I'm not sure what's going on here. My first thought is the database is > MySQL or MariaDB and this is a 4-byte UTF-8 encoding and the database > column charset definition is utf8 and not utf8mb4, but > '\\xE1\\x90\\xA7\\x0A\\x0A' is the 3-byte UTF-8 encoding for CANADIAN > SYLLABICS FINAL MIDDLE DOT ('\\xE1\\x90\\xA7') followed by two > newlines. so I'm not sure what the issue is. I'm guessing home-made client, possibly Asian or a spammer, which provides no content-type header. Even today I see raw 8-bit encoded text without an encoding spec from legitimate Japanese and Chinese sources, and of course with spammers all bets are off -- they might even do it deliberately to crash filters. -- University of Tsukuba　　　　　　　　　　　　 Faculty of Policy and Planning Sciences Tennodai 1-1-1, Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN tel/fax: +81-29-853-5091 turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp 　　　　　　　　　　　　　　https://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp/

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Bulk changes to delivery mode and moderation action

by David Newman

On 1/7/22 2:48 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 1/7/22 1:51 PM, David Newman wrote: >> >> However, there's no evidence test messages to the list are going out. >> (Nondelivery was the reason I was mucking around in the admin panel in >> the first place.) >> >> The Postfix log shows delivery to the list address. >> >> MM3's smtp.log shows the usual handshake. >> >> However, I do not then see messages going out to subscribers in the >> Postfix log, and as one of those subscribers I do not receive a copy >> even though my preferences are set to receive my own posts. > > > Are the messages in Mailman's var/queue/shunt queue? There are 24 messages in the shunt queue, the most recent of which is a digest from 0000 hours today. The test messages I sent later today are not there. There are also 13 messages in the out queue. I can't read these as the filenames appear to change on every invocation of ls. > Are there errors > and tracebacks in var/logs/mailman.log? Not in response to today's test messages. Here is an entry of a test message I sent going to Hyperkitty. Jan 07 12:49:03 2022 (252309) HyperKitty archived message <6e88ec49-1326-92f9-aa17-1d4c1d6828be(a)domain.tld> to https://lists.domain.tld/archives/list/listname@lists.domain.tld/message/FH… But the Postfix log doesn't show it being distributed to me or anyone else. Oddly, neither of the two list owner emails (me and someone else) show this message in the archive via the admin panel. However if I log in as the list owner directly to the archives: https://lists.domain.tld/archives/ I can see today's test posts if logged in as the list member, but do not see the posts if logged directly into the archive as the Django superuser. The nondelivery of list mail is more serious than the archive problem, though. Thanks in advance for further troubleshooting clues. dn > >

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Pd CRON mailman gatenews

by Pierre Malard

Hello, That’s going again! If I understood your advice correctly, if we do not have lists for which the gateway to the mail is set to yes, we can comment on the CRON "gatenew". This is what I will do > Le 17 mars 2023 à 07:50, Pierre Malard via Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> a écrit : > > Hi Mark, > > Thanks for your answer and your lead > >> Le 16 mars 2023 à 18:34, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> a écrit : >> >> On 3/15/23 23:31, Pierre Malard via Mailman-users wrote: >> >>> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 502, in _read >>> with open(self._lockfile) as fp: >>> PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/locks/dbcreate.lck' >>> —————————————————————————————————————————————————— >>> CRON content: >>> —————————————————————————————————————————————————— >> ... >>> # Every 15 minutes, gate messages from usenet to those lists which have the gateway configured >>> */15 * * * * list if [ -x /usr/bin/mailman ]; then /usr/bin/mailman gatenews; fi >> >> Do you have any list's for which Gateway to mail is set to yes or for which there is a Linked Newsgroup?. If not, running gatenews is superfluous. > > No, we don’t have > >> >>> I thought, given the last line, a problem of rights. It is not the case ! The directory and the files contained in /var/lib/mailman3/locks belong to the user "list". >>> When I run "/usr/bin/mailman gatenews" by hand everything is correct. >> >> Can you do `sudo -u list cat /var/lib/mailman3/locks/dbcreate.lck`. If that succeeds, this may be a SELinux or other security manager issue. > > Their is no file with this name! > listesman:~# ls -ld /var/lib/mailman3/locks/dbcreate.lck > ls: impossible d'accéder à '/var/lib/mailman3/locks/dbcreate.lck': Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type > >> >> >>> The questions I have are these: >>> We have 8000 files "dbcreate.lck..." in the directory "/var/lib/mailman3/locks". >>> What are they for? >>> Can we delete them? >> >> They are probably all orphaned lock files due the the gatenews failure. To be certain that none are current you could stop Mailman core. Then with Mailman core stopped, any files in /var/lib/mailman3/locks are orphaned and should be removed. > > Ok, is done. > > We will see today if it continues > >> >>> We have 2 files "master.lck..." dated from the day after tomorrow ! >>> What is this date? >>> Aren't these files the problem? >> >> >> Those files are normal. They are the master lock that prevents Mailman core from being started when it's already running. The future date is the way flufl.lock handles lock lifetimes. Locks when set have a lifetime, after which they can be broken. This is implemented in flufl.lock by setting the file's date that far into the future. > > Ok, that’s smart :-) > >> >> -- >> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net <mailto:mark@msapiro.net>> The highway is for gamblers, >> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. 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2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Counter-intuitive header filter processing

by Jonas Meurer

Hi Mark, Am 18.09.2018 um 20:48 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 09/18/2018 10:26 AM, Jonas Meurer wrote: >> >> Apparently, that's not the case. If the default message acceptance >> setting for members is set to "reject", then mails from >> *(a)freesources.org get rejected even though the header filter says >> "accept". In other words, the default message acceptance action seems to >> overrule any header filters. >> >> Is this expected behaviour? > > > Yes. Rules are normally checked in a sequence defined in > mailman/chains/builtin.py and that sequence checks several things > including member moderation before checking header matches, so if > "Default action to take when a member posts to the list" is anything > other than "Default processing", that action will take precedence over > header matches. Thanks for the clarification. Maybe then the description for chain "accept" in postorius needs to be adjusted. Currently it says "Accept immediately (bypass other rules)". This gives the impression, that it will overrule the default action. A related followup question: what configuration is recommended for an announcement list where only specific senders (e.g. sender(a)example.org) should be allowed to post and mail from all (other) subscribers should be rejected? The only way I see to achieve this currently is: * Set default action for member posts to "Default processing" * Add a header filter to accept "sender(a)example.org" * Add a header filter to reject ".*" In my eyes, that's very counter-intuitive and cumbersome to configure. But maybe I just missed a more obvious and elegant solution to achieve the same? And one more comment: if I make the list an "anonymous list" (i.e. "hide the sender of a message, replacing it with the list address"), then header filters for the "from" header don't work any longer. That's kind of unexpected as well. I would have expected mailman to process the header filters at reading the incoming mail, not after rewriting headers of the outgoing mail? Cheers jonas

6 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman runners missing - nothing in logs

by Torge Riedel

Am 18.01.20 um 23:14 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 1/18/20 6:13 AM, Torge Riedel wrote: >> So now back to good. I checked all the logs prior to restarting the >> service in directory /opt/mailman/var/log, but I do not see any errors. >> And the master was still running, I would expect that the master will >> start / restart a runner in case it died? > > What's in /opt/mailman/var/log/mailman.log? There should be entries like > > Jan 18 13:51:11 2020 (11700) xxxx runner started. > > for each runner every time it starts and like > > Jan 18 13:47:31 2020 (10096) xxxx runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. > Jan 18 13:47:31 2020 (10096) xxxx runner exiting. > > for each runner every time it stops, but with perhaps a reason other > than `caught SIGTERM` > > That should at least tell you when they stopped. Also, if they stopped > for some reason. The master will only restart runners that exit if they > exit because of SIGUSR1 or some internal error and even then, only the > configured max_restarts number of times. > > Do you have a logrotate script for the logs in /opt/mailman/var/log, and > if so, does it have a postrotate script that signals Mailman to reopen > logs other than by a `mailman reopen` command, perhaps by signaling the > master with other than SIGHUP? > Hi Mark, I checked the logs for such entries and I do only see them when the logrotation runs and from yesterday where I restarted the service by myself. So - yes, I have logrotation configured. The logrotation has a postrotate script configured which executes `systemctl reload mailman` and I see in the logs, that it handles SIGUSR1. This happens daily in the morning and runs - for what I see - without any problems. If I understand you right I should change it to "reopen" instead of "reload". I think this is something I have to pass to mailman executable itself instead to systemctl, right? Best regards Torge

5 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Error while mass operation, no progress display while mass operation is running

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 2/6/25 04:53, Markus Grandpré wrote: > > Unfortunately, I have not found any error message in the log > > files. > > If you are using uWSGI, a harakiri timeout should be logged in uWSGI's log. I think gunicorn logs to access.log and error.log in the Mailman logs directory. I would think it would log 500 level events, that indicates server trouble. > > Regardless of whether a mass operation process runs without errors or > > continues to run despite an error, I find it hard that Postorius does > > not display the progress of such a mass operation in order to monitor > > the process, as mass operations with more than 1000 members are very > > time-consuming. Perhaps this could be changed in a future version of > > Postorius? > > This is a reasonable request. The best place for such a request is > https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/new It's reasonable, but for unsubscribe Postorius invokes the mass remove REST API. So to report progress there it would require new code in Mailman and mailmanclient to report progress, or Postorius could use an explicit loop over addresses as mass subscribe does -- which would be noticably slower, I suspect. Periodic heavy use of mass operations is a common use case at universities. It's not uncommon for each term to see thousands of list averaging scores of subscriptions or unsubscriptions, with both number of lists and average roster size spike at academic year transitions when departmental and university-wide lists turn over. We should look at speeding up mass operations. I suspect internally Mailman is looping over individual addresses, probably creating a separate RDBMS transaction for each one. It should be possible to batch these, allowing the RDBMS to optimize its own table locking. Perhaps for the university use case it would make sense to even have Mailman multiplex these transactions across multiple lists being accessed at the same time. Steve

5 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Twitter OAuth2

by Odhiambo Washington

On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 8:08 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/27/22 01:35, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > 3. Lastly, I needed to add the relevant options under > > the SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = in settings.py. > > > > Now I have this: > ... > > And those are working but was wondering what to add for Twitter. > > > I see from another post that you've decided against using Twitter, but > to answer the question, Twitter does not require adding anything to > SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS. > I tried it and ended up with: ERROR 2022-12-28 08:40:18,895 97440 django.request Internal Server Error: /accounts/twitter/login/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 55, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/providers/oauth/views.py", line 43, in view return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/providers/base/mixins.py", line 18, in dispatch return self.login(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/providers/oauth/views.py", line 75, in login client = self._get_client(request, callback_url) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/providers/oauth/views.py", line 49, in _get_client app = provider.get_app(request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/providers/base/provider.py", line 30, in get_app return adapter.get_app(request, self.id) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/adapter.py", line 204, in get_app app = SocialApp.objects.get_current(provider, request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/models.py", line 31, in get_current app = self.get(sites__id=site.id, provider=provider) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 85, in manager_method return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 650, in get raise self.model.DoesNotExist( allauth.socialaccount.models.SocialApp.DoesNotExist: SocialApp matching query does not exist. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: only show mail domains from web host on web-host-url

by Jens Günther

Thank you for your answer. I should have seen that in the Docs, but somehow missed it: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/new/prodsetup.html I set it in the corresponding file, but unfortunately it doesn't work :-( I tried other setting to prove, that the file is used (ALLOWED_HOSTS works, changed here from '*' to 'localhost' and my example-domains, this works). It seems to be the same as this user describes (a while ago): https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… How could I check, that the setting is used!? But maybe some additional information: - I use the Debian installation on a stable buster, so mailman is version 3.2.1 - I use apache2 as my web-server and use the given alias-conf-file - Python is version 3.7.3 - Postorius is Version 1.2.4 - HyperKitty is version 1.2.2 -> In Django admin-Panel (/mailman3/admin/) I added 2 Websites test1.xyz.de and test2.xyz.de -> In Postorius (/mailman3/postorius/domains/) I added 2 Domains as Mail Hosts test1.xyz.de and test2.xyz.de with the corresponding Web hosts as stated above -> I added 1 list (/mailman3/postorius/lists/) for each Mail Domain as follows: test1(a)test1.xyz.de and test2(a)test2.xyz.de -> then created a vhost in apache2 with SSL-cert and added the Domains in ALLOWED_HOSTS: test1.xyz.de and test2.xyz.de -> When I go to the 2 Testdomains (corresponding web hosts), I see on each both lists for the different Mail domains What do I miss? Or where to investigate? Thank you in advance, best regards. By the way: what'S the difference in the 2 docs? https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/index.html and https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/README.html Am 18.03.21 um 21:52 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 3/18/21 9:20 AM, jens.guenther(a)posteo.de wrote: >> Is it possible, to only show publicly (if advertised) these lists on a certain url, that are corresponding to the web host the url I accessed mailman through? > > Set FILTER_VHOST = True in your settings_local.py or where ever you put > your site Django settings. > >

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Apache+mod_wsgi issue

by Odhiambo Washington

On Fri, Dec 23, 2022 at 4:29 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/22/22 16:03, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > There is just one more thing - I have this in settings.py: > > LOGGING['handlers']['file']['filename'] = > > '/opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/mailmanweb.log' > > > And what are LOGGING['handlers']['file']['level'], > LOGGING['handlers']['file']['class'] and > LOGGING['handlers']['file']['formatter'] > Those are left as defaults in my setup.py. > > However, the referenced file is ever empty. At what point is it supposed > to > > record anything? > > What is logged depends on `level` but even with `DEBUG` not much routine > stuff is logged. See https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/3.2/topics/logging/ I will read that and see if I get to pick up something. And now I am having a problem with mod_wsgi. First, the URL displayed when I load the page looks bogus to me. While I expect the URL to be https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman3/domains/, mod_wsgi give me https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman3/mailman3/domains/ - there is an extra /mailman3! So I have; 1. https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman3/mailman3/lists/ - working, or appears to. 2. https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman3/mailman3/domains/ - working, or appears to. 3. https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman3/mailman3/bans/ - working, or appears to 4. https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman3/mailman3/users - working, or appears to 5. https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman3/mailman3/lists/kictanet.lists.kic… - This throws an exception error when I click "Manage Subscription". -> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/RkKH793Jgw/ And while I do not quite understand the error itself, there is also one particular line that I also saw that has left me baffled: [Fri Dec 23 08:53:18.290411 2022] [core:info] [pid 91236] [client 197.232.81.246:13865] AH00128: File does not exist: /usr/local/www/apache24/data/archives/list/ kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke/thread/VIHCC6MSXZSNHY7YPEJ3D2US4N7MHJEC/, refe rer: https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/list/kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification

by Onyeibo Oku

On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 12:12:32 -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 10/12/22 22:03, Onyeibo Oku wrote: > > Subsequent parts of the doc show the path "/opt/mailman/mm/var/*" > > which should correspond to "/usr/lib/mailman/mm/var/*" on my > > instance. However, I don't see any instructions on how to get the > > "/mm" folder and the associated sub-folders. I just have > > "/usr/lib/mailman" > > I think if you have `var_dir: /usr/lib/mailman/mm/var` in the > /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg file you create per > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#installing-mail…, > then starting Mailman core `/usr/lib/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start` > will create it. > Thanks Mark, that was very helpful. I now have "mm" folder. I have reached the section "Starting Mailman automatically". After creating the cfg file. Here is what I get: # systemctl status mailman3 mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; vendor preset: disabled) Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Wed 2022-10-19 19:52:03 UTC; 4min 51s ago Process: 782 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) CPU: 156ms Oct 19 19:52:02 mail.server.tld systemd[1]: Starting mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager... Oct 19 19:52:03 mail.server.tld mailman[782]: Traceback (most recent call last): Oct 19 19:52:03 mail.server.tld mailman[782]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 33, in <module> Oct 19 19:52:03 mail.server.tld mailman[782]: sys.exit(load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.5', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')()) Oct 19 19:52:03 mail.server.tld mailman[782]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 25, in importlib_load_entry_point Oct 19 19:52:03 mail.server.tld mailman[782]: return next(matches).load() Oct 19 19:52:03 mail.server.tld mailman[782]: StopIteration Oct 19 19:52:03 mail.server.tld systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE Oct 19 19:52:03 mail.server.tld systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. Oct 19 19:52:03 mail.server.tld systemd[1]: Failed to start mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager. Mailman starts well from virtual environment though, ... but systemd doesn't replicate that success. Regards Onyeibo

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Confirm on mass subscription

by tlhackque

On 05-Jul-17 22:09, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 7/5/17 1:48 PM, David Krantz wrote: > > >> Is there a way of requiring all mass subscribed users to confirm their >> email adress? I have an use case where we have a current mail list but >> when moving it to mailman I for different reasons would like to >> confirm all subscribers. Some very shallow testing suggests that if I >> just add them using mass subscribe, they will not have to confirm at >> all. >> >> I have yet to upgrade to 3.1 but I will do so in due time. > > In MM 2.1, you just send the users invitations rather than subscribing > them. In MM3/Postorius, this does not seem to be an option at present. > Actually, 2.1 lets you do it either way. The first radio button on Mass Subscriptions is: "Subscribe these users now or invite them? " MM 2.1 also allows control of whether the new subscribers and/or list owner are notified. And it allows custom text to be added to the invitation/notification (when one is sent). MM3 has none of these controls. Postorious issue #203 and mailman #362 refer to the MM 2.1 regressions. However, I read this somewhat differently: given a list with subscribers (however they were subscribed), it is sometimes useful to be able to ask the members to re-confirm their address/interest. For example, when there's a change of policy (terms of use), or when local opt-in regulations require that that opt-in be reconfirmed periodically. It's handled out-of-band now, but this would seem to be something that Mailman could manage - change users' state to "unconfirmed" and issue the re-invite/re-subscribe notice. But there are some details: re-confirmation probably doesn't want to require moderator re-approval (at least not always). How this interacts with "don't deliver mail from this list" needs definition (probably overrides), but some members (notably moderators/owners/robots) need to be exempt. And like 2.1, the user notification needs to be different to explain that it's a re-confirmation.

8 years

[MM3-users] Re: How to promote non-members to members?

by Quanah Gibson-Mount

--On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 7:54 PM -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 3/16/22 12:56, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: >> >> Thanks for the response. Unfortunately I'm currently stuck with the >> junk shipped by Debian. Yet another reason to move to a standalone >> install and avoid their broken packages. > > > In the mean time, you can handle these issues via REST or via `mailman > shell`. For example: > ``` > $ mailman shell -l list(a)example.com > Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell > Use commit() to commit changes. > Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. > Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. > >>> pendings = getUtility(IPendings) > >>> sub_mgr = ISubscriptionManager(m) > >>> for token, data in pendings.find(pend_type='subscription'): > ... if data['token_owner'] != 'subscriber': > ... continue > ... if data['email'] != 'user(a)example.com': > ... continue > ... sub_mgr.confirm(token) > ... > >>> commit() > ``` > > The above will find the pending confirmation for user(a)example.com on the > list list(a)example.com and confirm it. Hi Mark, I gave this a whirl. First I just had it print out all the emails waiting for confirmation just to confirm I saw the user in question had a pending subscription request, which they did (two in fact for the same email). So then I ran your code to confirm it, and it blows up with an error: >>> for token, data in pendings.find(pend_type='subscription'): ... if data['token_owner'] != 'subscriber': ... continue ... if data['email'] != 'xxxxxxxx(a)xxxxx.org': ... continue ... sub_mgr.confirm(token) ... Traceback (most recent call last): File "<console>", line 6, in <module> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 545, in confirm workflow.restore() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 149, in restore setattr(self, attr, data[attr]) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 119, in address_key assert self.address is not None AssertionError Regards, Quanah

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Invalid FilterAction: discard. Treating as discard

by Henrik Rasmussen

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 6/6/19 6:02 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: > > Still, attachments (PDF) is removed by Mailman. I as > > the list admin to send a new mail, but hold it back, to see what type it is. > You have to add the MIME types for the attachments you want kept the the > list's pass_types. You need to do this via mailman shell or REST as it > isn't currently exposed in Postorius. > Here's an example from a list that wants to accept PDFs as well as word > processing and spreadsheet documents. Note that nappdf and x-pdf are > uncommon PDF subtypes that I have seen. > ['multipart', > 'message/rfc822', > 'text/plain', > 'text/html', > 'application/pdf', > 'application/nappdf', > 'application/x-pdf', > 'application/rtf', > 'application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.spreadsheet', > 'application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.sheet', > 'application/vnd.ms-excel', > 'application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text', > 'application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document', > 'application/msword' > ] Thanks, done! However, PDF's and an image is still filterd out. On May 21st the list admin tested by setting Filter content to 'No'. As expected, the mail was received as sent, with PDF attachment, inline image and HTML intact. Resending this mail to a newly created test list (from Outlook by selecting Resend, which does exactly just that, the mail was again received as sent, even the config of Alter Messages as the same as the list having the problem. The difference was that list(m.pass_types) is [] Now, setting m.pass_types = ['multipart', 'message/rfc822', 'text/plain', 'text/html', 'application/pdf', 'application/nappdf', 'application/x-pdf', 'application/rtf', 'application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.spreadsheet', 'application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.sheet', 'application/vnd.ms-excel', 'application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text', 'application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document', 'application/msword'] on the new testlist and resending the mail again, the mail still came out intact. So I guess the problem must be something complete different. Also I wonder why a newly created list accepts the PDF in question, when list(m.pass_types) is []. /Henrik Rasmussen

6 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Clean-up of non-members

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, Dec 23, 2024 at 1:37 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/22/24 05:25, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > > > > Perhaps you can make a feature request in gitlab? > > And while at it, please add: mailman nonmembers LISTSPEC > > With the later, it would be easier to delete non-members from the CLI as > > well. > > > Isn't this just `mailman members --role nonmember LISTSPEC`? > I didn't know that the option was right in front of me, but it seems there is a problem: GNU Mailman 3.3.10 (Tom Sawyer), Mailman Core API Version 3.1 ``` (venv) mailman@eu:~$ mailman members --role nonmember kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/mailman", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(main()) ^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1157, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1078, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 69, in invoke return super().invoke(ctx) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1688, in invoke return _process_result(sub_ctx.command.invoke(sub_ctx)) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1434, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/click/core.py", line 783, in invoke return __callback(*args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 33, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_members.py", line 223, in members display_members(ctx, mlist, role, regular, File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_members.py", line 106, in display_members dn = address.display_name or member.user.display_name ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'display_name' (venv) mailman@eu:~$ ``` From Postorius, there are 806 nonmembers. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

7 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Solved Re: after last upgrade I've got a CSRF failed verification

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

El 27/10/22 a las 21:39, Mark Sapiro escribió: > On 10/27/22 03:04, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: >> >> Since I made all the mailman3 enviroment wide server open (not using >> venv) I already executed the migration doing a >> >> su -m mailman3 -c "python3 manage.py collectstatic" >> su -m mailman3 -c "python3 manage.py migrate" >> >> Being mailman3 the user who runs all of mailman3 related stuff >> >> I had problems doing the migrate part, showing an error of lacking >> perms. I solved it running the migration under root (I know it could >> be trouble after, but...) > > It would be much better to identify the problem files/directories and > adjust their ownership. It is possible that running stuff as root in > the past left things owned by root causing the issue. The problem was in the intent of execute one of the migrate parts and showed about python files. I'm pretty sure that I've been very carefull not running things as root before as I know it can mess all up. But this time it was an dead end and I needed to go through. In a few days I will upgrade another server. I will document the error if I find it again. > >> >> After that the compress part showed errors... but the postorius web >> maintenance was working well except for the CSRF error verification. >> I will trace the compress errors and will try to find the problem later. > > > Do you have `COMPRESS_ENABLED = True` in your settings? If that's not > the issue, it may be in the settings for COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS > I will try to trace it and comment what I find. Thaks a lot for your support. -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: upgrading in FreeBSD 13.1-p7: problem with aiosmtpd and lmtp runner

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

El 4/4/23 a las 3:31, Mark Sapiro escribió: > Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) wrote: > >> I thought I said it: I reboot this server everyday at 06:40 CEST time. >> That's why I'm sure it's not an undetected problem for weeks. The lists >> in this last upgraded server are with daily traffic. I'm suscribed to all. > > I've looked at this a bit further. Prior to Mailman core 3.3.4 we required aiosmtpd>=1.1. In 3.3.4 we required aiosmtpd>=1.4.1 and now we require aiosmtpd>=1.4.3. The code in aiosmtpd that triggers the issue in the socket module was added in aiosmtpd==1.3.1. So it is likely that your prior Mailman core version was <3.3.4 and your aiosmtpd dependency was <1.3.1, so the Mailman upgrade would also have upgraded aiosmtpd to a version which triggered the socket issue. I think tou are completely right about the aiosmtpd changes. But I had mailman 3.3.5 installed since end of september of '21, mailman 3.3.6 since end of october '22, and mailman 3.3.7 since the beginning of december of last year. You can search the list and find my messages about that upgrades and problems I had with them. Just to make it clear: It happened upgrading from 3.3.7 to 3.3.8 The upgrade procedure I did all the times is pip install --upgrade django-mailman3 mailman mailman-hyperkitty mailmanclient postorius django hyperkitty uwsgi mod-wsgi and if I see some trouble I did it with a --force-reinstall parameter (not that I remember it happened last times that I upgraded) (and then the collectstatic, etc.) If I missed something, I don't know. > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list --mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email tomailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at:https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/mess… > > This message sent toguillermo(a)querysoft.es > -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Archive search failing on one list

by Mark

On 2023-10-11 04:38, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > Steve has addressed your issues with multiple Django admin commands, > some of which apparently don't reference the correct settings. > >> The format of my final line is different to yours ... > It is not a clue as to the problem. The format of that > `representation` changed in HyperKitty 1.3.5. What is your version? > HyperKitty version 1.3.4 > What happens if you do, with the appropriate Django admin and list > name, > ``` > python3 manage.py update_index_one_list thepost(a)example.com > ``` > Thank you Mark and Steve, That worked a treat! python3 manage.py update_index_one_list thepost(a)example.com Running that command returned the message "Indexing 12 emails", then returned to the shell prompt when done. It successfully indexed the messages in the archive, and I could then do a search on the existing messages. On 2023-10-11 00:54, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > The process of search index construction is both CPU and wall-clock > time intensive. For this reason, the cron jobs that do regular > index updating (I think once an hour?) are separate from the utility > that constructs the index in the first place when you have existing > archives (either migrated from another MLM such as Mailman 2, or if > you're upgrading to better archive software). The messages in the archive came directly from the list (ie. they weren't imported). It looks as though running that command flushed out a cobweb, as the hourly indexing is now happening. Some time after I had run that indexing command, a new message was posted to the list, and appeared in the archive. I searched (a)immediately, (b) 15 mins after, and (c)an hour and a bit after. As Steve said, the newer messages are automatically indexed hourly. So it wasn't until after that hourly index that the search terms in the newer messages were showing up in the search results. I can't say I understand the inner workings of the process yet, but we have a working archive search and I'm very happy about that. Thank you again, Mark

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Apple Mail encoding again

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 4/14/22 08:21, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Yes. The C-T-E on all the multipart parts was quoted-printable, not > allowed under RFC 2045. That's what I expected (we're talking about Apple Mail), but thanks for confirming. > The Python email library says the message is defective. Mailman's lmtp > runner in turn rejects the defective message with a 501 status > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/runners/lmtp.p… > > It could accept a defective message or one with specific defects, but > this is problematic for further processing. For example, at least one > MUA, Thunderbird, renders such a message with an empty body. Sure, but that's not our problem. I mean, I have my MUA set to ignore HTML so I get empty bodies all the time! :-) We are perfectly within our rights to just let the Apple Mail and Thunderbird users fight about it. :-) If it causes problems for *our* processing, that's another matter. I don't see why it would, though. Whether we *want* to do that depends on how much trouble that causes for our main constituency (list and site admins), and whether we can provide discoverable documentation of the problem. My take is that this seems to be an extremely rare problem, and at least some MUAs are able to read the message, so we should let it through. If we wanted to be really obnoxious, we could add a header to the message This message does not conform to mail standards. Some clients may omit some or all of the content. Or we could make passing it an option, perhaps as a pseudo-content type in "Pass these content types" or as a separate option. I feel strongly enough that Postel implies "let it through" that I'll write up a PR shortly (a few days). Sleep on it, we bring in Abhilash and I guess Barry?, and if you all still don't like it, veto it -- my time is no big deal, it'll only be an hour to put it together I think. Steve

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: HyperKitty/Mailman3 issues

by Florian Schulze

On 22 Nov 2018, at 19:53, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/22/18 2:58 AM, Florian Schulze wrote: >> Hi! >> >> I tried setting up Scheduled Tasks as described in >> <http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html#scheduled-tasks-required> >> >> but the "runjobs" command can't be found. I see the hyperkitty and >> mailman commands when using "help". > > > Does "help" show a list under [django_extensions] including runjob and > runjobs? > > Is 'django-extensions' in the list of INSTALLED_APPS in your Django > settings? That was the issue. Thanks! >> The "qcluster" service is working. >> >> Using Django 2.1.1 and HyperKitty 1.2.1. >> >> Maybe related to that, I have two issues with archives. >> >> 1. Changing the archiving setting in the Web-UI to something else >> than >> public seems to have no effect. The already archived messages are >> still >> accessible in public. > > > This is related. It is one of the "daily" jobs that updates this. Note > that changing to "private" will require login after the "daily" jobs > run, but changing to "do not archive" will leave the existing archive > accessible. After manually running the daily job, the archive is now private. >> 2. Related to 1., how can I remove a list archive without affecting >> other lists? > > > There's no easy way. For the "prototype" archiver, the archives for a > list are in var/archives/prototype/listname(a)example.com/ and that > directory can be removed, but that doesn't affect HyperKitty. > HyperKitty's archives are in the Mailman database and multiple tables > are involved. > > One could try just removing the row for the list from the > hyperkitty_mailinglist table. That may render the list's archive > inaccessible via the web UI, but I have no idea what would be broken > by > doing this. I hope this will be added at some point. For now I have the archive set to private. Thanks again for the pointers! Regards, Florian Schulze

6 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Solved Re: after last upgrade I've got a CSRF failed verification

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

El 27/10/22 a las 21:39, Mark Sapiro escribió: >> After that the compress part showed errors... but the postorius web >> maintenance was working well except for the CSRF error verification. >> I will trace the compress errors and will try to find the problem later. > > > Do you have `COMPRESS_ENABLED = True` in your settings? If that's not > the issue, it may be in the settings for COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS While I'm tracing the problem out, this is the configuration I had working and the error it shows after upgrade: <------- snip of settings.py> # COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = ( ('text/less', 'lessc {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-scss', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-sass', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), ) # On a production setup, setting COMPRESS_OFFLINE to True will bring a # significant performance improvement, as CSS files will not need to be # recompiled on each requests. It means running an additional "compress" # management command after each code upgrade. # http://django-compressor.readthedocs.io/en/latest/usage/#offline-compression #### activo compresion 18/12/20 COMPRESS_OFFLINE = True ###COMPRESS_OFFLINE = False <---------- end snip> And below is the error it shows: /usr/local/mailman3 # su -m mailman3 -c "python3 manage.py compress" Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman3/manage.py", line 10, in <module> execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 446, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 440, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 279, in fetch_command klass = load_command_class(app_name, subcommand) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 49, in load_command_class return module.Command() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 274, in __init__ raise TypeError("requires_system_checks must be a list or tuple.") TypeError: requires_system_checks must be a list or tuple. -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification

by Eggert Ehmke

I have a file /opt/mailman/.bashrc file with this line: source /opt/mailman/venv/bin/activate works quite well with systemd. My service file looks like this: [Unit] Description=GNU Mailing List Manager After=syslog.target network.target mysqld.service [Service] Type=forking PIDFile=/opt/mailman/mm/var/master.pid Environment="MAILMAN_CONFIG_FILE=/etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg" User=mailman Group=mailman ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start ExecReload=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman restart ExecStop=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman stop [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target Eggert Am Donnerstag, 20. Oktober 2022, 08:38:05 CEST schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 10/19/22 21:23, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > Onyeibo Oku writes: > > > Mailman starts well from virtual environment though, ... but systemd > > > doesn't replicate that success. > > > > systemd doesn't know anything about venv. If it's possible to source > > (not call as a command!) the venv bin/activate script via systemd, > > that should fix it. If not, we'll have to figure out what it is that > > the venv provides that the current systemd config does not. I would > > guess that after sourcing the venv's bin/activate > > Our suggested systemd script at > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#starting-mailman > -automatically has > > ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start > ExecReload=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman restart > ExecStop=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman stop > > /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman should work whether or not a venv is active. > > Judging from the traceback, Onyeibo Oku's /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman > is quite different from mine which is just > ``` > #!/opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 > # EASY-INSTALL-ENTRY-SCRIPT: 'mailman==3.3.5','console_scripts','mailman' > __requires__ = 'mailman==3.3.5' > import re > import sys > from pkg_resources import load_entry_point > > if __name__ == '__main__': > sys.argv[0] = re.sub(r'(-script\.pyw?|\.exe)?$', '', sys.argv[0]) > sys.exit( > load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.5', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')() > ) > ``` > What is yours? and can you start mailman as the mailman user with > ``` > /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start > ``` > without activating the venv?

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Auth question

by David Krantz

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:01 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > This is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/106>. > > I'm not sure what you mean by drop and recreate the databases. You > should just drop the `social_auth*` tables, or if there's nothing in the > database you want, just starting with an empty database should work. Very good! Thank you very much, I got a bit further. The database contained a couple of test lists that I can recreate, so nothing of value. The strange thing was that drop database followed by create database did not yield an empty database in Postgres. I probably forgot a commit somewhere. I got a bit further. The problem with not being an expert on Django is that the configuration of all web frameworks is that is a bit involved. I have no experience of Django outside of this and I just want to get it running in this case. Now I get the following errors in the mailman_web-log, somehow complaining on the url mapping. ERROR 2017-03-31 00:51:31,558 exception 2456 140113416898304 Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/ Traceback (most recent call last): [...] File "/opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/eggs/Django-1.8.17-py2.7.egg/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 458, in render url = reverse(view_name, args=args, kwargs=kwargs, current_app=current_app) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/eggs/Django-1.8.17-py2.7.egg/django/urls/base.py", line 91, in reverse return force_text(iri_to_uri(resolver._reverse_with_prefix(view, prefix, *args, **kwargs))) File "/opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/eggs/Django-1.8.17-py2.7.egg/django/urls/resolvers.py", line 497, in _reverse_with_prefix raise NoReverseMatch(msg) NoReverseMatch: Reverse for 'hk_user_login' not found. 'hk_user_login' is not a valid view function or pattern name. The Django 1.18 points to a Django 1.11rc1, should probably be mentioned. My urls.py (a copy from the docs, I think) from django.conf.urls import include, url from django.core.urlresolvers import reverse_lazy from django.views.generic import RedirectView from django.contrib import admin # Comment the next two lines to disable the admin: #admin.autodiscover() urlpatterns = [ url(r'^$', RedirectView.as_view(url=reverse_lazy('hyperkitty.views.index.index'))), url(r'^mailman3/', include('postorius.urls')), url(r'^archives/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), url(r'', include('django_mailman3.urls')), url(r'^accounts/', include('allauth.urls')), # Django admin url(r'^admin/', include(admin.site.urls)), ] cheers // David

8 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Random characters in "The results of your email commands" e-mail

by Jeffrey D

Mark Sapiro wrote: > To understand what's going on, We would like to see the complete, raw > response message. Also, the headers of the message sent to the -request > address, in particular the Content-Type: header of the first text/plain > part and its charset param. I didn't check the source headers... Mailman isn't the issue, my mail client (Evolution) is the problem. Messages sent to the -request@ with Subject: help and message body with my mail signature are working fine. I received the expected response from Mailman. Messages sent to the -request@ with Subject: help and empty message body, gives the random characters response. Instead of leaving the body empty, Evolution paste "Cgo=" into the message body. Mailman reply with the expected "No such command: cg0k" and Evolution couldn't decode the message. Long story short, don't use Evolution ;-) Thanks for pointing me in the right direction! Mail headers: Sent message -request@ (with empty body) ===================================== Message-ID: <eaa8bc6bec172bf3e19700959d6f86f637a3d59c.camel(a)domain.tld> Subject: help From: Jeffrey <jeffrey(a)domain.tld> To: test-jeffrey-request(a)domain.tld Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 10:54:13 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain User-Agent: Evolution 3.34.1-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Evolution-Identity: 1f54715bb67ff0bd5b87ec47786956d762aec607 X-Evolution-Fcc: folder://f23e08ef4c9736554f0b631ce301539d32916444/Sent X-Evolution-Transport: 6fd443d2352de0b9c1126fe4334605581b1903c2 X-Evolution-Source: Cgo= Response message ===================================== Subject: The results of your email commands From: test-jeffrey-bounces(a)domain.tld To: jeffrey(a)domain.tld Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <158193325438.30764.17876047045035004661(a)domain.tld> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 10:54:14 +0100 Precedence: bulk X-Mailman-Version: 3.2.1 X-Evolution-Source: f23e08ef4c9736554f0b631ce301539d32916444 The results of your email command are provided below. - Original message details: From: Jeffrey <jeffrey(a)domain.tld> Subject: help Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 10:54:13 +0100 Message-ID: <eaa8bc6bec172bf3e19700959d6f86f637a3d59c.camel(a)domain.tld> - Results: confirm - Confirm a subscription request. echo - Echo back your arguments. end - Stop processing commands. help - Get help about available email commands. join - Join this mailing list. leave - Leave this mailing list. stop - An alias for 'end'. subscribe - An alias for 'join'. unsubscribe - An alias for 'leave'. No such command: cg0k - Done.

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: add custom styles to postorius list creation menu

by mhazan＠mandint.org

Le 2022-05-02 17:32, Mark Sapiro a écrit : > On 5/2/22 06:39, Michael Hazan wrote: >> Hello, >> >> When creating a list via postorius, i can see 3 style appear >> (announce, discussion, private). Is it possible to either create a new >> style and add it to that list or modify one of those style ? > > > See this thread > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… > > Thanks i will look into setting up that plugin, hopefully an easier way to do that can make it's way to the default install. >> Also, coming from mailman2, you could directly set the members post >> moderation action when subscribing, now you can only do it via the >> user menu, is there a way to automate this in mm3 ? > > > I don't understand what you mean here. In MM 2.1 a member had only one > setting - moderated yes or no and if moderated there was a list > setting for the moderation action. There was also a list setting for > whether new members were moderated by default. How were you setting > the new member's moderation when subscribing? > > You are correct that when subscribing a new member, the member gets > the default action for members and different action has to be set in a > separate operation. I don't think this is significantly different from > MM 2.1. Also, can you describe what you mean by "automate this". in MM2.1, if you set the list to moderated and default action to hold posting, you can set a some member to be un-moderated (mod bit off) to automatically allow their posting. In the web interface of MM2.1 there is a checkbox with moderated bit on/off on the member list itself, in the postorius interface for MM3 you have to open each members settings page to access that. For automation, as list owner, upon registering a member (via mass subscription) the possibility to change that ? also the me too/dupe setting for example. Thanks

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty failed to create a thread

by Abhilash Raj

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019, at 2:08 PM, Marvin Gülker wrote: > Hi, > > Am 11. Februar 2019 um 13:20 Uhr -0800 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > > I downloaded the February mbox from > > <https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/export/wlug@l…> > > and imported it to a test list with 'django-admin hyperkitty_import and > > see the same issue. > > Here's the Hyperkitty Mbox for my affected mailinglist: > <https://lists.secretchronicles.org/hyperkitty/list/tsc-devel@lists.secretch…> > > Maildir from my local machine as received from Mailman via e-mail: > <https://files.guelker.eu/misc/tsc-devel.tar.gz> > > > Examination of the mbox shows for the first message [...] > > Note the folding of the header and the double angle brackets. > > I can confirm that I see this behaviour for my affected mailinglist as > well. The Message-ID header is broken over two lines with double angle > brackets in the Hyperkitty MBox linked above: > > Message-ID: < > <153582973006.27514.7508703206376217479(a)alexandria.secretchronicles.org>> > > However, the original message as it was delivered by Mailman to me does > not have such a weird message-id header: > > Message-ID: > <153582973006.27514.7508703206376217479(a)alexandria.secretchronicles.org> > > In this message, the header is broken exactly as shown above after the > colon of "Message-ID:". Maybe some problem with parsing long Message-ID > headers, or ones folded over multiple lines? > > With regard to bug reporting on gitlab.com: I already have accounts on a > ton of sites, and at some point I'd actually like to stop creating new > ones all the time... I created an issue on Gitlab for this with this thread: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/216 > > Marvin > > -- > Blog: https://mg.guelker.eu > PGP/GPG ID: F1D8799FBCC8BC4F > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

6 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Importing Mailman 2 Lists apart from Django

by Brian Carpenter

On 4/30/20 11:59 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 4/30/20 7:59 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> Hello Mailman Users, >> >> Are there instructions on importing a Mailman 2 list into a Mailman 3 >> core installation only? Does the import21 script not need >> Django/Postorius/Hyperkitty? > > import21 requires only Mailman core. > > >> It seems Django is required to import archives I guess because of the >> use of Hyperkitty. How about importing archives without having a Django >> installation? Is that what the prototype archiver for? > > The only current archive import we support is `django-admin > hyperkitty_import` which imports archive .mbox files into HyperKitty. > > The prototype archiver is just a maildir format collection of messages. > > Converting an mbox file to a maildir is trivial. > > from mailbox import Maildir, mbox > mb = mbox('/path/to/mbox', create=False) > md = Maildir('/path/to/maildir', create=True) > for msg in mb: > md.add(msg) > > >> We are getting ready to start working on a custom forum application for >> Mailman 3 (called Empathy) and I am would like to import some mailman 2 >> archives into the development server to work with. > > First you have to decide how Empathy will store messages. Look at > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/management/c…>. > This is how HyperKitty gets messages from a mbox and adds them to its > database. It's actually fairly simple - a lot of the code is handling > exceptions due to defective messages. > > Presumably Empathy will have a method for adding a message to the > archive, so importing is just getting messages from the mbox and using > Empathy's method to add it. > Thank you Mark. Your response was very helpful. This should help my developer make some decisions. -- Please let me know if you need further assistance. Thank you for your business. We appreciate our clients. Brian Carpenter EMWD.com -- EMWD's Knowledgebase: https://clientarea.emwd.com/index.php/knowledgebase EMWD's Community Forums http://discourse.emwd.com/

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Help with fresh debian install

by Mark Dadgar

Thanks for the al the help - much appreciated! Mailman3 is a HUGE step up from 2.1.x. Running the commands as the correct user solved my issues. Specially, I ran the import21 command as the “list” user (created by the debian/ubuntu package) and the hyperkitty import command as the “www-data” user. I had to add login shells to the passwd entries for those users to make it happen as they get installed with nologin. I imported a 24G archive inbox and something went wrong along the way - the archives for many months consist of just a single identical thread. Re-running the import results in the following in just a few seconds: www-data@mail:/tmp$ python /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py hyperkitty_import -l trackjunkies(a)pdc-racing.net /backups/trackjunkies.mbox Importing from mbox file /backups/trackjunkies.mbox to trackjunkies(a)pdc-racing.net Computing thread structure Synchronizing properties with Mailman Warming up cache The full-text search index will be updated every minute. Run the 'manage.py runjob update_index' command to update it now. Any thoughts on how I can re-run the full import to make sure that all the archives are present? Thanks! - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878 > On Oct 3, 2019, at 9:25 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 10/3/19 5:17 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: >> >> I brought up a fresh install of Mailman3 via the current Debian package alongside my current 2.1 setup (installed and updated from source since 2002) on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. >> >> Importing lists from 2.1 has been a real problem. >> >> I am trying to import a list with no archives to keep it simple while I prove out the process. If I run the mailman import21 comment as my user, I get the following errors: >> >> — >> mark@mail:/tmp$ mailman import21 announce(a)pdc-racing.net ./announce-config.pck >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/usr/bin/mailman", line 11, in <module> >> load_entry_point('mailman==3.1.1', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')() >> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 94, in main >> initialize(config_path) >> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 189, in initialize >> initialize_2(propagate_logs=propagate_logs) >> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 152, in initialize_2 >> mailman.core.logging.initialize(propagate_logs) >> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/logging.py", line 157, in initialize >> _init_logger(propagate, sub_name, log, logger_config) >> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/logging.py", line 110, in _init_logger >> handler = ReopenableFileHandler(sub_name, path_abs) >> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/logging.py", line 50, in __init__ >> self._stream = self._open() >> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/logging.py", line 53, in _open >> return codecs.open(self.filename, 'a', 'utf-8') >> File "/usr/lib/python3.6/codecs.py", line 897, in open >> file = builtins.open(filename, mode, buffering) >> PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/log/mailman3/mailman.log' > > > This is the issue. I don't know how the Debian packages do this, but I > recommend having a 'mailman' user that owns everything and running > commands as that user. > > >> Error in atexit._run_exitfuncs: >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/usr/lib/python3.6/logging/__init__.py", line 1945, in shutdown >> h.flush() >> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/logging.py", line 56, in flush >> if self._stream: >> AttributeError: 'ReopenableFileHandler' object has no attribute '_stream' > > > This is due to the prior permissions error. > >> If I run it as root, it runs for a long time but spews a HUGE stream of these errors to /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log: > > > If there are a lot of members to add, that can take a long time. The > current version of import21 has a progress thermometer for this. > >> — >> Oct 03 17:08:48 2019 (19118) Skipping and preserving unparseable message: 1570147727.3029191+80f1cc4d18f54868ad6162e8e41e52567185e983 >> Oct 03 17:08:49 2019 (19118) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/virgin/1570147728.618866+174175d39c301feab4ebb2aac0a51226334fa54c.pck' >> Oct 03 17:08:49 2019 (19118) Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 156, in _one_iteration >> msg, msgdata = self.switchboard.dequeue(filebase) >> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/switchboard.py", line 150, in dequeue >> with open(filename, 'rb') as fp: >> PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/queue/virgin/1570147728.618866+174175d39c301feab4ebb2aac0a51226334fa54c.pck' > > First, I don't know what these messages are. Normally import21 doesn't > send any mail. I'm guessing it's trying to send 'you are subscribed' > notices to the users, but it shouldn't be doing this. > > All these files should wind up in Mailman's var/queue/bad/ directory > with a .psv extension. You should be able to examine them with the > 'mailman qfile' command. > > Whatever they are, the error comes from virgin runner so import21 should > have actually succeeded. Did it import the list? > > >> It also dumps some mail footer templates into the template directory that are owned by root, which seems … incorrect? > > > It makes a weak effort at converting the list's msg_footer and > digest_footer into MM 3 templates in > templates/list/<list-id>/<list-lang>/. These are owned by root in your > case because you ran import21 as root. > > >> Any thoughts on what’s going wrong here? > > > It looks like this may be an issue with the Debian package, at least the > sending of messages part. > > As for the rest, the Debian package should install stuff as a Mailman > user, perhaps 'mailman' or 'list', and you should be running all > commands as that user. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Archive download - unexpected end of file

by Mark

>> On 3/1/25 13:58, Mark wrote: >> >> I have a MM3 list to whose archive I recently added an mbox file of >> older emails. >> >> Viewing/searching the archive (Hyperkitty) is working fine. >> >> Downloading archives "for the month" or "last 30 days" delivers the >> expected ".mbox.gz" file and those are fine. >> >> However, when I download the "Entire archive" and attempt to gunzip >> that ".mbox.gz" file I get the error: " ... unexpected end of file". ?On 2025-03-01 23:04, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > The process creating the zip for download times out. You can increase > the timeout. If your wsgi server is Gunicorn, see > https://docs.gunicorn.org/en/stable/settings.html#timeout - for uwsgi > see > https://uwsgi-docs-additions.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Options.html#harakiri > > However, it's probably easier to get it in pieces. You can prpbably > get chunks bigger than a month. Look at the URL for a month, e.g. for > Jun, 2005 it will be something like > > https://www.example.com/archives/list/<fqdn-listname>/export/<fqdn-listname>-2025-02.mbox.gz?start=2025-01-01&end=2025-02-01 > > The <fqdn-listname>-2025-02.mbox.gz can be any arbitrary file name. > The start and end parameters determine what's included. E.g. for all > of 2024 > > https://www.example.com/archives/list/<fqdn-listname>/export/<fqdn-listname>-2024.mbox.gz?start=2024-01-01&end=2025-01-01 > > Note that the end date is the first date not included, i.e. the day > after the last date included. Thank you very much Mark, for your detailed advice. Increasing the timeout from the default of 30 seconds to 360 now sees the entire archive downloading successfully. # /etc/mailman3/gunicorn.conf # bind = ['127.0.0.1:8000'] proc_name = "mailman-web" chdir = "/opt/mailman/mm" pidfile = "/opt/mailman/mm/var/gunicorn.pid" accesslog = "/opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/access.log" errorlog = "/opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/error.log" #Added 2025-03-02 to resolve timeout on download full archive. timeout = 360 $ systemctl daemon-reload $ systemctl restart mailman3 $ systemctl restart mailmanweb $ pstree ├─gunicorn───gunicorn ├─mailman-web───mailman-web─┬─mailman-web │ └─3*[mailman-web───{mailman-web}]

4 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Installed from Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10, web not quite working

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 8:52 PM Volkmar Grote <volkmar(a)grote-family.com> wrote: > Hi Mark, > > On 07.05.23 01:31, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > On 5/6/23 16:02, volkmar(a)grote-family.com wrote: > >> > >> My urls.py: > >>> (venv) mailman@me:/opt/mailman/mm$ grep -v "^#" urls.py > >>> from django.contrib import admin > >>> from django.urls import include, reverse_lazy, re_path > >>> from django.views.generic import RedirectView > >>> > >>> urlpatterns = [ > >>> re_path(r'^$', RedirectView.as_view( > >>> url=reverse_lazy('list_index'), > >>> permanent=True)), > >>> re_path(r'^postorius/', include('postorius.urls')), > >>> re_path(r'^hyperkitty/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), > >>> re_path(r'', include('django_mailman3.urls')), > >>> re_path(r'^accounts/', include('allauth.urls')), > >>> # Django admin > >>> re_path(r'^admin/', admin.site.urls), > >>> ] > > > > > > We and the various docs are inconsistent about 'postorius' vs > > 'mailman3' and 'hyperkitty' vs 'archives' in urls. Add these > > > > re_path(r'^mailman3/', include('postorius.urls')), > > re_path(r'^archives/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), > > > > to your urlpatterns list in urls.py to cover both variants. > > > thanks for the quick reply. > I am one step closer to a solution, > "http://127.0.0.1:8000/postorius/lists/?all-lists#" seems to work now. > I get the functionality, but it looks ugly w/o any graphics, for which I > get yet another, slightly similar, error message: > > > > > > Page not found (404) > You can run: '/opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin clear_cache' as the mailman user. After that you can also restart Nginx, then test again and see if everything works. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installation Questions [Installation}

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, Nov 4, 2024 at 10:34 AM Gerald Vogt <vogt(a)spamcop.net> wrote: > Hi, > > On 04.11.24 02:06, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > On 11/3/24 11:31, Arte Chambers via Mailman-users wrote: > > We should probably cover this in the docs, but for /etc/mailman3, you > > should do > > ``` > > sudo mkdir /etc/mailman3 > > sudo chown mailman:mailman /etc/mailman3 > > sudo chmod 755 /etc/mailman3 > > ``` > > Then you can create all the subordinate files as the mailman user. For > > other things like the systemd service and the postfix and web server > > configs, you need to do them as root (via sudo). > > is it really necessary that the mailman user can write that directory? > For most services, directories and files in /etc/ may be readable for > the service but usually not writable as you don't want the service > itself change it's core configuration. > > On your server it looks like this: > > # ls -la /etc/mailman3 > total 28 > drwxr-xr-x. 2 root mailman 95 Oct 25 08:12 . > drwxr-xr-x. 99 root root 8192 Oct 29 07:42 .. > -rw-r--r--. 1 root mailman 266 Oct 25 07:37 gunicorn.conf > -rw-r-----. 1 root mailman 92 Nov 21 2023 mailman-hyperkitty.cfg > -rw-r-----. 1 root mailman 797 Sep 9 11:20 mailman.cfg > -rw-r-----. 1 root mailman 3015 Oct 25 08:12 settings.py > > and it works just fine. > True, but making the mailman user own the files makes life easier when you operate from the virtualenv - you do not have to exit the virtualenv to edit the files in /etc/mailman3, and then re-enter the virtualenv. You do not have to give the mailman user sudoer rights. That's the whole point about the below: ``` sudo mkdir /etc/mailman3 sudo chown mailman:mailman /etc/mailman3 sudo chmod 755 /etc/mailman3 ``` -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

8 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Bounce of HCL Notes invitations - CloseBoundaryNotFoundDefect() - 501 Message has defects (in reply to end of DATA command)

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Ulf R. writes: > >>> msg.defects > [CloseBoundaryNotFoundDefect()] This means that the message declares a MIME multipart Content-Type, and some part had a "start" boundary line but no "end" boundary line. > Is there a quick fix for this available? No. If the sending software isn't quite broken, this defect means that a chunk of the message was lost somewhere. Ignoring this kind of defect is obviously a bad idea, and any other fix (on the Mailman side) requires knowing precisely what's causing the defect to be detected. > Is it a problem of the python code or the format of the HCL Notes > Server? Nothing's impossible, but I would bet that the problem is in the HCL Notes format. The MIME multipart spec goes back to the early 1980s, and I'm sure the Python Email package implements it exactly by default. I can't say more without the exact MIME structure of a message that causes this error, preferably the whole message (header and body). That said, it might be something that (a) can be worked around with a slightly more lenient existing email policy, or (b) that we could create a new policy that ignores the problem. > In the .eml file I see 25 header fields calles "X-Notes-Item". May > be it is an overflow? Extremely unlikely. All header fields have been successfully processed by the time a CloseBoundaryNotFoundDefect can be detected, and the copy of the field you provide in your followup email is well-formed and contains no interesting content (such as non-ASCII characters, even after decoding the MIME-words). I cannot say why removing the first instance of the field would resolve the error without seeing the whole message. > Any ideas? Not without the full message. If you're not comfortable sending the message to the list, but do trust us enough, you can send a message that causes the error to me and/or Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>. Regards, Steve

4 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: problems installing mailman3 under gentoo and upgrading mailman2 to mailman3

by John Covici

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 16:22:59 -0500, Abhilash Raj wrote: > > > > > On Mar 13, 2021, at 1:09 PM, John Covici <covici(a)ccs.covici.com> wrote: > > > > On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 14:46:55 -0500, > > Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> > >> On 3/13/21 11:14 AM, John Covici wrote: > >>> > >>> Now one thing came up while trying to create the database, I got a > >>> traceback complaining about a revision error because gentoo had a > >>> slightly different version (3.3.2) instead of 3.3.3 using pip. When I > >>> upgrade mailman, am I going to have to do something to the database as > >>> well and why should the database have some kind of reference to the > >>> mailman version? > >> > >> > >> I don't know why this is an issue. You shouldn't need to do anything > >> with the database when you upgrade. Please post the full traceback and > >> error message. > > > > Sorry I can't reproduce it, after dropping and recreating the database > > the error went away, but it was in alembic and it was talking about an > > invalid revision and gave a long hex string. > > > > > My guess is that you updated the database (perhaps, by invoking the mailman > command form 3.3.3) and then tried to start 3.3.2. In this case, Mailman comes > up and sees a new revision for the database migration added from 3.3.3 but > can’t find the same migration in its source (because it is 3.3.2). That is sort of what happened, except in the opposite direction, it was from 3.3.3 to 3.3.2. My question is therefore, do I have to update this alembic_version when I upgrade mailman to a newer version? That is what I was getting at. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici(a)ccs.covici.com

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 postorius cannot retrieve template

by Mark Dadgar

On Nov 4, 2021, at 3:05 PM, Andreas Barth <aba(a)ayous.org> wrote: > * Quanah Gibson-Mount (quanah(a)symas.com) [211104 22:59]: >> >> >> --On Thursday, November 4, 2021 8:25 AM -0700 Mark Sapiro >> <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >> >>> On 11/4/21 5:04 AM, Wolfgang Bock via Mailman-users wrote: >>>> >>>> My conclusion: >>>> I ask you to consider these experiences in an update for the mailman3 >>>> packages in debian bullseye. It would save time, questions and nerves. >>> >>> >>> Issues with Debian packaging should be directed to Debian. >> >> Or as previously discussed, the debian packages should be avoided entirely. > > I strongly disagree with that statement. > > Distribution packages have their own up- and downsides. Of course, how > they are done is to be discussed with the distribution, so: if > something is wrong with a debian package, please follow the > instructions on bugs.debian.org on reporting bugs. > > However, they have the advantage that they're integrated with the > distribution. They have the disadvantage that they're stable for some > time - that is why it's called a stable release. If they have all the > features someone wants, they usually work fine (and my first > mm3-installation was the default debian package). If one looks for > bleeding edge, of course that's not what one can expect from a > distribution package - but that's also a feature. You left out the fact that the distro edition of mailman3 has very poor support because Debian doesn’t know how to do it and the setup is different enough from vanilla that this community has a hard time supporting it as well. You can certainly try to run it, but I’m willing to bet that you’ll regret it. Having tried it myself, I can’t in good conscience recommend it to anyone. The bottom line is that, IMHO, distro works great for fairly mature projects. MM3 isn’t that yet. YMMV, my $0.02, you get what you pay for, etc. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Welcome message template errors

by Mark

On 2024-04-25 01:37, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I think the difference is http vs https, not the IP vs domain name. > > Also, with either of these, you are addressing the web server and not > the wsgi server. The wsgi server is presumable listening on port 8000 > and in the beginning when you had the default > > POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://localhost:8000' With this default, the template URI is in the format of http://localhost:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/mytestlist.mydomain.com/l… Looking at this URI in lynx (on the same server as Mailman) it returns the text of the custom Welcome template, as does curl and wget. And it's the same if 127.0.0.1 is used in place of localhost -- ie. http://127.0.0.1:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/mytestlist.mydomain.com/l… And the same result if the domain name is used with https -- ie. https://mydomain.com/mailman3/api/templates/list/mytestlist.mydomain.com/li… So, the template is all good, it can be accessed by Lynx, but the part of the Mailman suite that sends out the custom Welcome message cannot access it and spits out the error. Where are the custom templates stored? Is there a permissions issue perhaps? A grep for the text of my Welcome message turns up zero results. # grep -Rnw '/' -e 'Test two million for welcome' By the way, in Lynx when the template's URI uses the public ip adress -- ie. http://my-public-ip-address/mailman3/api/templates/list/mytestlist.mydomain… ... it returns a "404 page not found" in Lynx. Given that this is pretty much an out-of-the-box installation (venv installation as per the docs) and everything else works perfectly I'm thinking surely others have encountered this. Or is it just me? It's completely done my head in, so if anyone can offer a glimmer of light I'll grab it. > <REDACTED-PUBLIC-IPv4-ADDRESS> instead of 127.0.0.1. Also, > Have you set > ALLOWED_HOSTS in your settings.py? It should be something like > ``` > ALLOWED_HOSTS = [ > "localhost", # Archiving API from Mailman, keep it. > "127.0.0.1", > "<REDACTED-PUBLIC-IPv4-ADDRESS>", > "MYDOMAIN.COM", > ] Yes.

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: spanish localization

by Abhilash Raj

On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 01:08, Victoriano Giralt <victoriano(a)uma.es> wrote: > El sáb, 13-02-2021 a las 14:53 -0800, Mark Sapiro escribió: >> What translations are those? Please give specific examples. What I >> am >> saying is Mailman core 3.3.3 is currently up to date with weblate. >> There >> are no Spanish translations for core done after 7 November in >> weblate >> and weblate shows 100% completion for Spanish for Mailman core. > > Mark, please, how do you check when translations happened? Nov 7th is > a > very significant date for me (it is my wedding anniversary) and I'm > 90% > sure that I dedicated time to Weblate after that date... You can look at the commit history of the spanish po file to get a detailed history of when and who made the changes. For example: Core: <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/commits/master/src/mailman/messages/es…> Postorius: <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/commits/master/src/postorius/locale/…> You find similar histories in all the repos. Each person's changes should be an individual commit in the repo, typically all outstanding translations are committed every night in Weblate. > > All strings related to Mailman (core, django_mailman3, postorius and > hyperkitty) are translated into Spanish 100%, but the interfaces, > after > updating to the latest releases, are still in Englanish (more English > than > Spanish). Could this be because of the .mo files not being up-to-update? There used to be some strings that were translated incorrectly, but I think we fixed all of those that we found. Abhilash > This is not a fight, we want to help, but do not know how. > > Thanks! > > -- > Victoriano Giralt Innovation Director > Digital Transformation Vicerectorate University of Malaga > +34952131415 SPAIN > ================================================================== > Note: signature.asc is the electronic signature of present message > A: Yes. >> Q: Are you sure ? >>> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email ? > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > <mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > <mailto:mailman-users-leave@mailman3.org> > <https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/> thanks, Abhilash Raj On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 00:57, Victoriano Giralt <victoriano(a)uma.es> wrote: > El sáb, 13-02-2021 a las 20:52 +0100, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) > via > Mailman-users escribió: >> On 13/2/21 20:00, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> > On 2/13/21 2:33 AM, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users >> > wrote: >> > > But... here is a thing that I can not understand: If the source >> (the >> > > .po >> > > file) is from november 7th, it doesn't matter how many times you >> > > recompile it: the result will be the same. >> > Correct, but the point is if you download the latest >> > gnu-mailman-mailman-es.po from weblate, and compare it to the Nov >> 7 >> > file >> > in the distribution, you will find they are identical, so it it >> appears >> > that the weblate translation hasn't changed since that time. >> > >> > If there are issues in this mailman.po, they exist in weblate too >> and >> > need to be fixed there. >> >> That clarifies all. Thanks. As I said in my previous message, I'll >> wait >> for the next upgrade and hopingly the translations done after 7h of >> november (by others and me) will be there. > > I've visited Weblate, all Spanish strings are translated. Spanish is > 100% > translated, but, none of them have been "approved", whatever that is. > It > seems that a reviewer needs to approve the translation in order for > them to > be incorporated or released or whatever. I was sure I had reviewed > everything between November 7th and the day Abhilash announced the > release > candidate and asked for translation review, but nothing has made it > to the > released version. > > Maybe there's something in the translation flow that we are doing > wrong. > I'm starting to miss the good old days when Mailman 2 translators just > downloaded the .po files and returned them :-) > >> > Also note that the translations on weblate only affect strings in >> the >> > core code. The Mailman core templates are not currently >> translated in >> > weblate and there are currently no Spanish language templates. One >> > would >> > need to create Spanish translations of all the templates in >> > < >> > >> <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/tree/master/src/mailman/templates/en> >> > > >> > and submit a merge request to add them to a mailman/templates/es/ >> > directory. >> > >> I will make the template translations locally, test them, and then, >> if >> they are yet lacking in the main repo, follow your suggestion. > > I'm a bit short on time, but I'll help Guillermo with that, at least > reviewing or doing a second pass. I'm not proficient enough to speak > about > Mailman core templates, but for Django templates, there is a nice tag > for > marking text with translations in the .mo files ... > > -- > Victoriano Giralt Innovation Director > Digital Transformation Vicerectorate University of Malaga > +34952131415 SPAIN > ================================================================== > Note: signature.asc is the electronic signature of present message > A: Yes. >> Q: Are you sure ? >>> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email ? > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > <mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > <mailto:mailman-users-leave@mailman3.org> > <https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/>

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Monthly Password Reminders

by Odhiambo Washington

On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 3:05 PM Stephen J. Turnbull < stephenjturnbull(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Odhiambo Washington writes: > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 8:21 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > On 2/2/23 06:29, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > Does MM3 send these monthly subscription reminders the way MM2 used > to > > > do? > > > > I am looking for the setting, but can't find that in the list > settings. > > > > > > No, it does not. > > > > The rationale behind the decision to toss away that feature? Security?? > > For the passwords, yes. It was frequently reported as a bug, in fact. > Mostly the reminders generate requests to know how to shut them off. > You're the first in probably a decade who's asked how to turn them on! > It's because I only recently migrated to MM3 after watching from the periphery for years :) I have been on MM2, and even there I disabled it. I was just curious. While in theory we could protect in transit with SMTP over TLS, we > can't guarantee end-to-end encryption (eg, if there's a .forward at > the subscribed address), and while TLS is widely implemented, it's > still not universal. And there's no way to protect unencrypted email > from admins at the receiving host. Receiving encrypted email is > pretty much not implemented at all, except in some specialized > communities. Also, now that passwords (if they're used) are > attributes of Users who may have several Addresses and worse, they may > have admin privileges. So Mailman 3 passwords are generally higher > value than in Mailman 2. > > I can imagine a use for the list of subscriptions part that a few > users might like, but most folks would prefer not to get another > regular mailing. > > Steve > That makes complete sense, and I am satisfied with the decision. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 5 months

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