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[MM3-users] spam filtering (was: Re: list of subscribers)

by Peter Münster

On Sun, Feb 04 2018, Mark Sapiro wrote: > This would seem to be specific to your use case. I think in general what > we would want to display is the display_name from the list's member record. Ok, I see. Now I know, how to generate such list (email + full name) as site administrator, so it's ok for me. > We tried to send your copy of your post to you, but your MTA called it spam. > > Feb 4 19:38:09 mailman postfix/smtp[29085]: 89D4C8031E: > to=<pmlists(a)free.fr>, relay=mx1.free.fr[212.27.48.7]:25, delay=1.3, > delays=0.04/0/0.81/0.41, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host > mx1.free.fr[212.27.48.7] said: 550 spam detected (in reply to end of > DATA command)) IMO, spam filtering should be done at user level, every user should be free to filter what he likes, not the MTA. Perhaps I should do it like you, and manage my own email relay host? I've tried to subscribe with an address at orange.fr but it does not seem to work, probably the same problem as with free.fr... -- Peter

7 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius confirmation mails shown in uwsgi-error.log but not sent

by Abhilash Raj

Do you have something like this[1] in your settings.py file? [1]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/-/blob/master/mailman-suite_projec… `EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.console.EmailBackend'` `This is a dummy email backend which will basically only print the email to stdout, which seems to happen in your uwsgi-error.log. If you do, please comment it out and see if that solves your issue.` `Abhilash` On Sat, Mar 28, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Ralph Seichter wrote: > * Mark Sapiro: > > > What is the complete log message from uwsgi-error.log? > > I'll attach a typical log file to this message. It shows startup > messages followed by a recorded confirmation email. User name and > domain are obfuscated, but other than that the log is unchanged. > > -Ralph > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > > *Attachments:* > * uwsgi-error.log -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to delete user completely?

by William Oliver

On Fri, 2022-01-21 at 16:50 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 1/21/22 4:32 PM, William Oliver wrote: > > I have installed mailman3 and it's up and running great. However, > > I > > noticed that, during a mass subscribe, I mis-typed an address, e.g. > > name(a)domain.ned rather than name(a)domain.net. I found how to > > unsubscribe > > the bad address, but I haven't found a "delete" option under Users > > or > > anywhere else. How to I purge a user from the users list? > > You need to do it via REST or `mailman shell`. In mailman shell, > ``` > >>> um = getUtility(IUserManager) > >>> usr = um.get_user('user(a)example.com') > >>> um.delete_user(usr) > >>> commit() > ``` > > > As a related question, in docs.mailman.org, I can find a list > > member's > > manual, but I can't seem to find an admin manual. Is there one? > > > No, not per se. > Thanks! billo

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Weird hourly indexing error

by Mark Dadgar

On Jun 9, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > The `django-admin` command that is being run doesn't itself point to > your settings. In my case, I run django-admin via a wrapper that contains > ``` > #!/bin/bash > . /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/activate > cd /opt/mailman/mm > export PYTHONPATH=/opt/mailman/mm > export DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE=settings > django-admin $@ > ``` > The critical things are the exports of PYTHONPATH and > DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE. The former is the path to where your settings > module lives and the latter is its name without the .py extension. OK, making progress: mark@mail:/usr/local/bin$ !! ./mm3-admin shell Python 3.8.2 (default, Apr 27 2020, 15:53:34) [GCC 9.3.0] on linux Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. (InteractiveConsole) >>> from hyperkitty.models import Email >>> emails = Email.objects.all() >>> for email in emails: ... if email.content.find('\u200b'*5) >= 0: ... print('Found in ml {}, hash {}'.format( ... email.mailinglist.name, ... email.message_id_hash)) ... ./mm3-admin: line 6: 702058 Killed django-admin $@ Now what? - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Shunt Error Mail?

by Pete Ashdown

On 3/2/21 4:09 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 3/2/21 2:52 PM, Pete Ashdown wrote: >> I have a number of list managers with subscribers who are confused as to >> why their messages are silently disappearing. I've read the archives on >> how to decipher why a message was shunted, but this is not workable at >> scale. Is sending an error email back to the sender a consideration? > Why are messages being shunted? Each shunted message has thrown some > kind of uncaught exception which is logged with a traceback in Mailman's > mailman.log. > > These should be due to bugs that should get fixed or possibly malformed > messages which are almost always spam. > > In short, under normal circumstances messages should not be shunted at > all and when they are it is something the site admins need to address. > It is normally not something the sender of the message can do anything > about. This is good to know. I was concerned that shunting could happen due to HTML or message content (ie: not size).

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY - 401 error

by Torsten R.

Mark Sapiro wrote: > The issue is not related to message content. > One possibility is that there is an incompatibility between > mailman-hyperkitty >= 1.2.0 and HyperKitty <= 1.3.4. that could cause > this. What are your versions? Understood, just wanted to mention that as I read it in another thread about the 401. Hyperkitty is 1.3.4 and mailman-hyperkitty is 1.2.0 > What is your setting in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg for base_url: base_url is set to https://www.fqdn.tld/mailman/hyperkitty > if you append api/ to that and do something like > curl base_url/api/ > it should return a page of documentation of the API. If that is the > case, the issue is almost certainly communicating the api key between > mailman-hyperkitty and HyperKitty I get some information back when appending /api/ to that URL mentioned above about REST API and some formats and endpoints. So, from your words it looks like there is some issue in the communication between mailman-hyperkitty and HyperKitty. Is there some place I could/should start looking or some log I should be examining (maybe some loglevel to be increased as well)?

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: A few more MM3 questions

by Marc SCHAEFER

Re, On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 09:23:07AM -0400, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > 2) I imported a list and all messages get a footer of: > > %(web_page_url)slistinfo/%(_internal_name)s > > which I guess changed between MM2 and MM3; however when I > > look at that list configuration in the web interface of MM3, > > I see no templates defined, nor any clue where this is > > configured: where may I change this? > > import21 creates these templates in (I think in your case) > /var/lib/mailman3/templates. Yes, I used import21, and there are files there, and they contain the "web_page_url" that is the cause of the problem. May I just modify those files, and is there any way to see, in the web GUI, where those files are referenced? In the database itself, the template table is empty (as seen in the GUI) and I did not see the text "web_page_url" in a dump of the database, so I have some issues to understand how this is used by Mailman (except direct file access to /var/lib/mailman3/templates?)

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: FYI: Django security releases issued: 4.0.6 and 3.2.14

by David Newman

On 7/7/22 1:20 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 7/7/22 12:44 PM, David Newman wrote: >> >> However, pip now throws a warning when looking at package info: >> >> (venv) mailman@somehost:/home/dnewman$ pip show mailman-web >> WARNING: Ignoring invalid distribution -jango >> (/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages) >> ... > > What does > ``` > ls -la /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/-jango* > ``` > show? I suspect you have some spurious stuff there. The timestamps might > give a clue as to how it got there. > > If it shows anything, > ``` > rm -rf /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/-jango* > ``` > will probably fix it. That was my first thought too. But there's nothing in that directory beginning with a hyphen, not even with the -a switch. The Django directories are as follows: django Django-3.2.14.dist-info django_allauth-0.47.0.dist-info django_appconf-1.0.5.dist-info django_compressor-3.0.dist-info django_extensions django_extensions-3.1.5.dist-info django_gravatar django_gravatar2-1.4.4.dist-info django_haystack-3.1.1.dist-info django_mailman3 django_mailman3-1.3.7.dist-info django_picklefield-3.0.1.dist-info django_q django_q-1.3.9.dist-info djangorestframework-3.13.1.dist-info dn

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty.views.mailman Could not archive the email with message-id '<snip>': A string literal cannot contain NUL (0x00) characters

by Gilles Filippini

Gilles Filippini a écrit le 12/03/2021 à 01:41 : > Mark Sapiro a écrit le 12/03/2021 à 00:59 : >> On 3/11/21 3:10 PM, Gilles Filippini wrote: >>> >>> Looking at the offending message with 'mailman qfile', it appears it is >>> a legitimate one actually, sent from an Android phone. >>> >>> Couldn't hyperkitty be a bit less strict? >> >> >> Possibly. It looks like this may be >> <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/271>, fixed? by >> <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/merge_requests/215>. What >> HyperKitty version is this? >> <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/merge_requests/215> is in 1.3.2. >> >> If your HyperKitty is >= 1.3.2, please file a new issue at >> <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues> > > This is Hyperkitty 1.3.4. > I'll file an issue tomorrow. Here it is: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/346 Thanks, _g.

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem with debian uipgrade

by Lars Schimmer

Am 08.03.2022 um 21:08 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > Possibly one way to fix this is to run > ``` > django-abmin migrate socialaccount > ``` > where django-admin is the name of your django management command. > > Then running `django-abmin migrate` should succeed. The issue appears to > be due to the face that `django-admin migrate` runs the migrations in > alphabetical order by app. This is fine if migrations were run during > the period after socialaccount.0003_extra_data_default_dict was created > and before hyperkitty.0007_allauth_20160808_1604 was created, but it's > an issue in an installation that wants to migrate > hyperkitty.0007_allauth_20160808_1604 without having previously migrated > socialaccount.0003_extra_data_default_dict. Thx for your always competent answers. In this case I just needed to uncomment the not needed socialaccount lines in mailman3.cfg. As we do not use them. And now I hope for a debian package upgradem or I need to replace them with virtuelenv install as soon as I need to upgrade. MfG, Lars Schimmer -- ------------------------------------------------------------- TU Graz, Institut für ComputerGraphik & WissensVisualisierung Tel: +43 316 873-5405 E-Mail: l.schimmer(a)cgv.tugraz.at Fax: +43 316 873-5402 PGP-Key-ID: 0x4A9B1723

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Caching problem with templates

by Mark

> On 6/26/25 04:25, Mark wrote: >> >> A footer template is created and initially it works as expected. >> >> Editing the footer template sees the new content written to the >> database, >> >> In addition to viewing the edited content in the database, the new >> template can also be viewed in Lynx on localhost at: >> >> http://localhost:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/<IDENTIFIER>/list:member:regular:footer >> >> The problem is that the original template is being cached somewhere >> and the old footer persists in new emails. ================================= On 2025-06-26 16:10, Mark Sapiro wrote: > What does the database query > ``` > SELECT uri FROM template WHERE name = 'list:member:regular:footer' AND > context = '<IDENTIFIER>'; > ``` > return? ================================= The result of the query is: +--- uri +---- http://localhost:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/<IDENTIFIER>/list:member:regular:footer +---- I should have also said, if I delete the template, emails still use the old footer -- not the Mailman default as I would have expected. And I had a look in /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/ -- nothing there.

1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Missing Base64 encoding from control message reply

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > The issue is the message declares > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > > but the body is not base64 encoded so the MUA tries to base64 decode it > and even though that's invalid, produces the garbled output. :-( > I tried to duplicate this in a test installation with the charset > for English set to utf-8, but I get a similar response but with > > Subject: =?utf-8?q?The_results_of_your_email_commands?= I think that's unfortunate. Not really a bug, but the RFCs recommend using the defaults (ie, US-ASCII) where that's possible. I wonder if it's possible to use email.policy to change that.[1] With respect to the actual problem, I don't have anything to say until we have more information about the relevant settings. Oh, I guess I also wonder if maybe the language doesn't have a translation for that message yet? Steve Footnotes: [1] Speaking of bugs, my MUA decoded that MIME word when it quoted the message even though it's not in the header! Aaargh.

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating Mailman 3 lists

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Andrew Hodgson writes: > Mark Sapiro wrote: > >On 5/19/20 7:25 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: > >> For reference my pgloader script looks like: > >> > >> load database > >> from sqlite:///var/lib/dbconfig-common/sqlite3/mailman3-web/mailman3web.db > >> into postgresql://mailman3:XXREDACTEDXX@localhost/mailman > >> > >> with include drop, create tables, create indexes, reset sequences, no truncate > Have you tried this without indexes and then run the migrate > script? It may re-create them as part of the schema upgrade > check. That was my immediate guess. I'm not an SQL expert, but I believe that sequences and indexes are different entities, they're both optimizations that you don't need (ie, ignoring performance), and implementations differ on how they're implemented. Eg, if sqlite implements them as tables, while PostgreSQL has a special data structure, you could run into this kind of behavior. I'm pretty sure that these will be recreated appropriate to the new database when the schema validator is done. But don't trust me, and *do* keep a backup. ;-) Steve

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: List archives Recent Posts problem

by Mark Dadgar

On Jun 23, 2020, at 3:19 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 6/18/20 9:01 AM, Mark Dadgar wrote: >> In the last day or so, hitting the Recent page in my list archives results in a spinner and an error message: >> >> Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/list/trackjunkies(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:mailman3/hyperkitty/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net>/recent-threads >> >> AttributeError at /hyperkitty/list/trackjunkies(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:hyperkitty/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net>/recent-threads >> 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'subject' > > > Is this still an issue? > > If so, see the entire thread at > <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…> > for a possible solution. It’s still a problem. I restarted the whole machine and that did not fix it. I also tried to delete any row in the hyperkitty_thread table where starting_email_id was null and that did not return any deleted rows. mailman=> delete from hyperkitty_thread mailman-> where starting_email_id = null; DELETE 0 All of my member functions are still broken as well. :( - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Templates

by Odhiambo Washington

On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 at 06:09, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 11/16/20 4:02 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > Hello good people, > > > > So today I decided that I should be looking at MM3 to see how far it can > > take me. > > I started from the templates and created one for a footer for non-digest > > messages. > > > How did you create this footer?. If you created it by creating a file in > Mailman's var/templates directiory, can Mailman read it? > > I went into Postorius and selected the list. It's the only one. Selected Templates -> New Template. root@gw:/opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/site/en # ls -al /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/site total 24 drwxr-xr-x 3 mailman3 wheel 512 Jul 25 14:44 . drwxr-xr-x 3 mailman3 wheel 512 Jul 25 14:44 .. drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman3 wheel 512 Jul 25 14:51 en I cannot find anything specific to the particular list in the path. Mailman runs as mailman3, who owns all the files. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-)

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: spanish localization

by Victoriano Giralt

El sáb, 13-02-2021 a las 14:53 -0800, Mark Sapiro escribió: > What translations are those? Please give specific examples. What I am > saying is Mailman core 3.3.3 is currently up to date with weblate. There > are no Spanish translations for core done after 7 November in weblate > and weblate shows 100% completion for Spanish for Mailman core. Mark, please, how do you check when translations happened? Nov 7th is a very significant date for me (it is my wedding anniversary) and I'm 90% sure that I dedicated time to Weblate after that date... All strings related to Mailman (core, django_mailman3, postorius and hyperkitty) are translated into Spanish 100%, but the interfaces, after updating to the latest releases, are still in Englanish (more English than Spanish). This is not a fight, we want to help, but do not know how. Thanks! -- Victoriano Giralt Innovation Director Digital Transformation Vicerectorate University of Malaga +34952131415 SPAIN ================================================================== Note: signature.asc is the electronic signature of present message A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure ? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email ?

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problems with New MM3 Installation

by Jeff

Thanks Mark and Abhilash (who responded separately). I have worked out all the issues I was having and now the list is running smoothly. The trick for POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL with uwsgi was "http://[hostname]/mailman3/ <http://[hostname]/mailman3/>“. I appreciate all the help I’ve received from this mailing list. > On May 11, 2021, at 11:43 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 5/11/21 7:46 PM, Jeff wrote: >> >> I really appreciate your assistance. New messages are now being archived as expected, but I still have a few small remaining issues to work out with my MM3 installation: >> >> 1) some emails that arrived before I got the archive working are still sitting in: >> >> /usr/local/mailman3/mm/var/archives/prototype/[listname]@[domain]/new >> >> Strangely this includes at least one email that was archived. Should this directly be cleared as messages are archived? Is there a way to force it to be cleared? > > /usr/local/mailman3/mm/var/archives/prototype/[listname]@[domain] is a > collection of messages in maildir format. This is how the prototype > archiver stores messages. This has nothing to do with HyperKitty. It is > a separate archiver. If you don't want messages to be stored there, you > can disable the prototype archiver for the list by unchecking prototype > in Postorius -> Settings -> Archiving -> Active archivers or disable it > entirely for the installation by setting > ``` > [archiver.prototype] > enable: no > ``` > in mailman.cfg > >> 2) Some messages that arrived while I was having other problems with the setup have been stored in: >> >> /usr/local/mailman3/mm/var/queue/shunt >> >> What should I do to get these messages processed? > > > Assuming the issues that caused them to be shunted have been fixed, just > run the command > ``` > mailman unshunt > ``` > >> 3) Similar to above, some messages are in: >> >> /usr/local/mailman3/mm/var/queue/bad >> >> How can I get these messages processed? > > > First examine the messages with > ``` > mailman qfile /usr/local/mailman3/mm/var/queue/bad/<file> > ``` > To be sure you want them. Also examine mailman.log for the times they > were stored in the `bad` queue. You are looking for 'Skipping and > preserving unparseable message: <file>' and/or 'SHUNTING FAILED, > preserving original entry: <file> messages and you want to determine > which runner preserved the message. There may be a 'whichq' entry in the > message's metadata in which case, that's the answer. > > Once you have determined the queue, you can just move the .psv file from > the bad queue to the appropriate queue, renaming it from .psv to .pck in > the process. > > >> 4 Modified the template for “list:admin:action:post” through Postorious and emails that arrived after that were put in the “shunt” queue. I traced this problem to POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL. By default, it is set to "http://localhost:8000 <http://localhost:8000/>” which is where uwsgi is listening. However, uwsigi is listening for uwsgi:/ not http://. Should I change POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL to “uwsgi://localhost:8000 <uwsgi://localhost:8000>” or keep http but make it something else? > > > I know little about uwsgi. setting it to `uwsgi://localhost:8000` might > work. You could also set it to the base URL that a user would use to > access the web UI, e.g. `https://example.com` and that would presumably > be proxied to uwsgi. For example, on the server for this list we have > ``` > POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://lists.mailman3.org' > ``` > which gets proxied to gunicorn, but the idea is the same. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Domain admin

by Johannes Winter

Am Wed, 25 Apr 2018 08:39:58 -0700 schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > On 04/24/2018 11:57 PM, Johannes Winter wrote: > > > > We would like to give our users the priviledge to create lists per > > domain. I Haven't found any options for that in the web interface. > > > > Is this possible somehow with mailman3? > > > It is not currently possible. From the point of view of Mailman Core, > anyone who can run the 'mailman' command or access the REST API can > create domains and lists. > > Postorius could support this in some way and could maintain it's own > 'authorized users' data, but it would be better to also add some > concept of domain admin to core. > > These would be significant changes. > A possible workaround could be to create several webhosts to control access rights to the mailing lists. At least I understand the option to create new "web-hosts" in "add domain" in this way. But I haven't found any further information for setting up multiple web-hosts. Is there any yet?

7 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Caching problem with templates

by Mark

> On 6/28/25 21:50, Mark wrote: > > > > Yes, I thought so too. I also tried 0d -- which wrote the expiry > > date > > the same as the created date (to the second). > > > > # /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg > > [mailman] > > cache_life: 0d > > > > But, just as with writing in a past date, it didn't solve the > > problem. > > I also spun up a brand new server to thrash it out there, but no > > joy > > there either. > > On Sat, 2025-06-28 at 22:55 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > This is a different issue. See > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1231 > > The template is not removed from the cache until the next run of the > task runner which defaults to running every hour. > Dang! If you know, you know. Thank you for that, and the patch information. I'll leave my hack in place for now (it works) until the next release. My brain is fried from the last couple of days getting to grips with this. Best, Mark

1 month

[MM3-users] Re: How to strip DKIM headers on a domain level or a list level

by Joel Lord

On 11/23/20 11:15 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> # If the following is set to a non-empty string, that string is the name of a >> # header that will be added to personalized and VERPed deliveries with value >> # equal to the base64 encoding of the recipient's email address. This is >> # intended to enable identification of the recipient otherwise redacted from >> # "spam report" feedback loop messages. For example, if >> # RCPT_BASE64_HEADER_NAME = 'X-Mailman-R-Data' >> # a header like >> # X-Mailman-R-Data: dXNlckBleGFtcGxlLmNvbQo= >> # will be added to messages sent to user@@example.com. >> RCPT_BASE64_HEADER_NAME = '' >> >> >> This hasn't been implemented for Mailman 3 but could be if there's demand. I hadn't spotted that in Mailman 2.1, I will go looking for it there. My 2.1 server has not moved to 3 yet for several reasons, but it's getting close. This feature would get me just a bit closer. -- Joel Lord

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Confirmation emails to Users has wrong domain name (example.com!)

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 8:58 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 10/2/21 4:26 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 4:09 PM Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> > > wrote: > >> > >> Yes, please update it to have SITE_ID = 2 to correspond to the site you > >> want and restart. > > > > > > I did this, but there is still a problem: The hyperkitty URL still shows > > example.com. > > Maybe I need to re-import the database to clear this? > > > The SITE_ID setting affects the domain displayed at the top left of > HyperKitty pages. Is this the correct domain? > No. Mine is showing example.com > > What hyperkitty URL are you talking about? > My url (nothing to hide anyway) is https://lists.fem-international.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/members@lists.… . Screenshotted below [image: msapiro.PNG] -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' :-)

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 Postfix FROM header issue

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > Presumably that's the 'Recipient address rejected: User unknown in > virtual alias table' message, but I see no virtual_alias_domains in > your posted main.cf. I'm pretty sure that what's going on here is that the message is coming in from outside, Postfix runs down the various relays (including local delivery) available, none matches, the last in line is virtual aliases, and that table is empty so the user is unknown. That's the only way I can see the sender_canonical_maps variable affecting *recipient*-based decisions, by making it look like the sender is local, and so enabling delivery to non-local addresses. Why a Mailman list appears to be non-local is a question I am not sure. My guess is myhostname = localhost because Postfix doc says mydomain "is derived from $myhostname by stripping off the first part (unless the result would be a top-level domain)," so literally "localhost" is the only deliverable domain left, and some-list(a)the.actual.dom doesn't work. Except that the.actual.dom should be in postfix_domains.db, so ... ???? Steve

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Splitting hosts: mta&core vs postorius

by Ruth Ivimey-Cook

On 24/06/2020 00:20, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Go to your Django admin web UI and look at your Django Mailman 3 Mail > domains. This will be at a URL like > https://greyarea-web1.cam.ivimey.org/admin/django_mailman3/maildomain/ > > Do you see this domain there? If so, delete it. I hadn't logged in as admin before, so having done so I can now confirm that having done so this screen shows "0 mail domains" Because I could, I then visited "VIEW SITE" and see a mailing lists page, which is I think the same one I have been trying to visit, except of course now I am logged in. I do now see the correct, and only, mailing list configured on the core server. Returning to the previous "maildomain" page, that now shows the expected mailing list as well. Other admin pages seem to be working fine as well. I think, possibly, that it is now installed and working. ... But I don't know why. Ruth -- Software Manager & Engineer Tel: 01223 414180 Blog: http://www.ivimey.org/blog LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ruthivimeycook/

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: timezone in hyperkitty

by matthew_saunders＠harvard.edu

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 6/29/20 12:18 PM, Marco Marinello wrote: > > I'm expirencing the same behaviour in Postorius. Is > > it possible to set a default timezone for new users? Already set it in settings_local.py > > but not having any effect, still seeing "Africa/Abidajin" in new users. > > Do you mean the users time zone as displayed in the user's profile? This > is a Django setting and the default should come from the TIME_ZONE > setting in settings_local.py, at least if USE_TZ is set True I'm seeing the same behavior on my development site, and I was even able to reproduce this when I created my account on this very site moments ago using OAuth. If you check the django_mailman3_profile table in the DB, I expect you'll see that my timezone record is blank (since I haven't touched it from the Accounts page). FWIW, it's empty... not NULL, since there's a not-null constraint on this field. Is it possible to have this set to a default (non-empty) value somehow? TIME_ZONE & USE_TZ isn't doing it.

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: What to backup?

by Alain Kohli

I have noticed that especially the var/messages directory has a rather considerable size compared to the rest. What exactly is this for and what would be the consequences if that was lost? And more generally, would not backing up var/ at all only result in the loss of some short term data (e.g. messages that are held or currently processed) or would long term data also be lost? Or in other words, what exactly would be non-recoverable if that isn't backed up? On 5/22/19 5:21 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 5/22/19 6:31 AM, Alain Kohli wrote: >> Hi >> >> What exactly are we supposed to include in our mailman backups? >> Obviously the database, but are there any other files that should be >> included to make sure we can properly restore? > > I would backup all of Mailman's var/ directory. Additionally, I would > backup the directory where Haystack's backend search engine stores its > indices. For the default Whoosh backend with default settings this is > the fulltext_index/ directory in the same directory as your Django > settings.py file. >

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Manual setup - permissions

by Tobias Hachmer

Hi Mark, thanks for your response. On 9/23/19 1:29 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 9/22/19 2:11 AM, Tobias Hachmer via Mailman-users wrote: >> >> Now, running the scheduled tasks (which run from user+group "nginx") for >> django I ran into permission problems, because the nginx user can't >> access/write to the needed files in /opt/mailman3/core/... >> >> I would appreciate any hints how to run the different peaces of mailman3 >> with the correct user/groups/permissions. > > > Set up everything as user:group mailman3:mailman3. I.e., > > chown -R mailman3:mailman3 /opt/mailman3/web > > and set the uwsgi service to drop privileges to user+group "mailman3". So simple, now the scheduled tasks are working, but the whole web service did not work because the web server user nginx can't access and write to the uwsgi socket anymore /opt/mailman3/web/project/run/uwsgi.sock. # chown -R nginx:mailman3 /opt/mailman3/web This works for all. But isn't it a security risk that e.g. manage.py and settings.py is read- and writeable by the webserver? Regards, Tobias

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: xapian db corruption - xapian.DatabaseCorruptError: Couldn't read enough (EOF) ??

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 9:35 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 7/29/24 03:27, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > > Today, my hourly cron job has generated an error and continues to do so > > every hour: > > > > ``` > > Subject: Cron <mailman@gw> /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin runjobs > hourly > > ``` > > > > Not sure what caused this. Perhaps a reboot when the cronjob hadn't > > completed? And a possible manual remedy would be to wipe the indexed db > and > > let the cron run again? > > > Or maybe just run `/opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin rebuild_index Nice to know. I just deleted the contents of the xapian_index folder and then ran the cronjob. Solved. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: User cannot reset password

by Greg Newby

On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 11:10 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 8/11/24 10:56, Greg Newby wrote: > > I imported MM2.1 lists to Mailman3 (using import21 - details are in my > > previous messages to mailman-users), and have had a couple of reports of > > people for whom the password reset function via "Forgot password" on the > > list login screen doesn't work as expected. > > > Django (web) accounts (Postorius and HyperKitty) are separate from > Mailman core. Users inported from MM 2.1 do not have web accounts. They > have to sign up, not request a password reset. > 1. Will the new (Django) and imported (Postorius) usernames automatically be matched to the same email address? The goal is for someone to use the web-based front end to manage their migrated subscriptions. 2. How can I customize the email that went to users who selected "Forgot password?" ( You are receiving this email because you, or someone else, tried to access an account with email I didn't find that string in the source code. Thanks as always! ~ Greg

11 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Search problem in 3.2.1?

by Mark Dadgar

On Oct 22, 2019, at 6:44 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 10/22/19 7:51 AM, Mark Dadgar wrote: >> Anyone seen this before? This is the result of any search query I run. I installed ElasticSearch as the search engine yesterday and this is the result. It is still indexing (large archives). > > > How did you install ElasticSearch. What ElasticSearch version? From .deb, version 5.6.16. > This is a bug in HyperKitty. We've never encountered it, but the code at > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/blob/master/hyperkitty/views/search.p…> > only considers the whoosh and xapian backends and needs to be updated > for elasticsearch. I've reported that at > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/263>. Hmm, maybe I’ll take another shot at getting Xapian running then. Whoosh ran for 5+ days trying to index my archive of 556,000+ messages before I gave up. Thanks for your help, Mark. Much appreciated. If we ever bump into each other here in the Valley, I owe you a beer or 9 for all the value I’ve gotten from mailman over the years. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderation Action Changed After Import

by Brian Carpenter

On 2/12/21 4:21 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Yes, You did the right thing. I was mislead by "He said the previous > moderation was the list's default which was hold for moderation." which > is Mailman 3 terminology. > > The list does need to be created first, but it should be a new list with > no members, owners, etc., not an operational Mailman 3 list. > > So, it seems that most of the members of the MM 2.1 list were moderated > and the list's member_moderation_action was Reject. Is this not the case? Sorry for the wrong terminology I can't confirm what was set on the old MM2 list as it is no longer accessible. I am just going on the word of the List Owner. My opinion is that the moderation for those list members were set to Reject on the previous MM2 list. I am mainly interested to see if you know of this happening to anyone else and/or perhaps there is an existing bug that could impact the moderation settings of imported MM2 lists. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3-web and the django middleware problem

by Thomas Stein

Am 2024-04-25 22:03, schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 4/25/24 12:34, Thomas Stein wrote: >> >> I'm not sure how to add that to my django settings. Adding: >> >> x = list(MIDDLEWARE) >> x.insert(0, 'allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware') >> MIDDLEWARE = x >> >> did not help. Any hints? > > I don't know how things are arranged in the Debian/Ubuntu package, but > you may have a settings.py which at the end does something like > ``` > try: > from settings_local import * > except ImportError: > pass > ``` > If that is the case, adding the above snippet to the end of > settings_local.py should work. Yes, that's the case. I added the snippet in question to settings_local.py but this leads to another error: File "/usr/share/mailman3-web/settings.py", line 503, in <module> from settings_local import * File "/usr/share/mailman3-web/settings_local.py", line 194, in <module> x = list(MIDDLEWARE) ^^^^^^^^^^ NameError: name 'MIDDLEWARE' is not defined dpkg: error processing package mailman3-web (--configure): I hope you can helo again. cheers, t.

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM2.1 -> MM3.3 migration. To hold or not hold

by mark＠suburbia.org.au

Once again, thanks for taking time to reply. Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/18/24 04:12, mark(a)suburbia.org.au wrote: > This should not happen. In the message as delivered to the list what do > you see in the X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: header and the > X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: header if any? ``` X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.8 X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: member-moderation ``` > What if anything is in the lists Accept these non-members setting? Default action to take when a member posts to the list: Hold for moderation Default action to take when a non-member posts to the list: Hold for moderation Emergency Moderation: No Accept these non-members: (none listed) Hold these non-members: (none listed) If you would like me to enable debugging and do another test, I'm happy to. I will admit given the odd behaviour that there's a (small, unexpected) chance that there were settings changed or made during the process by another moderator, but that is not the belief at the moment. cheers, Mark

8 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: High memory usage

by Philip Colmer

One small correction: > The largest is 15K messages, then 2K then 1K. That should be *discussions*, not messages. The message count is way higher than the discussion count. Philip On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 at 08:18, Philip Colmer <philip.colmer(a)linaro.org> wrote: > Thank you for the replies from Mark and Stephen. > > One of the reasons why Prasanth & I are concerned with this specific > system is because the first time memory usage crept up, it got to the point > where oomkiller stepped in and, as is usual for that particular mechanism, > one of the processes it killed was sshd, thus removing access to the system > :(. I know that oomkiller can be tuned to stop it killing processes like > sshd but it will, nevertheless, start killing *some* processes if it sees > an out of memory situation. > > So, as Prasanth said, we doubled the memory available and stuck an alarm > on it to trigger when usage exceeded 85% for 5 minutes. I've saved a > screenshot of the monitored memory usage over the last couple of weeks: > > https://1drv.ms/u/s!Aq7dn8GDGLdCodsU-pybJBdckxWU1A?e=BJY1UA > > (It is stored on OneDrive in case you don't recognise the URL format) > > We changed the server on 4th February to the larger memory size. On 11th > Feb, it triggered the alarm and we rebooted the server. Memory usage is > starting to climb again, albeit not at the pace that it was previously. > > What is particularly curious for us is that we have four Mailman 3 > servers. Two of them are single domain and two are hosting two domains. > This server is one of the servers hosting two domains, but it is also the > ONLY one of the four servers exhibiting this memory pattern. By comparison, > the memory usage for the other server hosting two domains looks like this: > > https://1drv.ms/u/s!Aq7dn8GDGLdCodsVyEufkeQqit_cGA?e=ifrJHs > > The biggest difference we are aware of with the "problematic" server is > that some of the list archives are quite large by comparison with our other > servers. The largest is 15K messages, then 2K then 1K. The other three > servers have lists with relatively small archives by comparison (double or > triple digits at worst). > > Finally, and just FYI, we're using PostgreSQL for the database and Xapian > for the indexing engine. > > Regards > > Philip > > On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 at 16:36, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> On 2/15/22 08:11, Stephen Daniel wrote: >> > TL;DR: quite likely your system has plenty of memory and is operating >> > normally. >> ... >> > On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 5:28 AM Prasanth Nair <prasanth.nair(a)linaro.org >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> We are having an issue with high memory usage on our Mailman3 server. >> >> Initially, our server had 16GB RAM and the memory usage went up from >> 5% to >> >> 92% within a week. So, we increased the memory capacity to 32GB RAM >> and we >> >> can see that the memory usage is going up in the same pattern. >> >> >> >> Any idea why it is happening? or any suggestions? >> >> >> Just for reference, mail.python.org supports 231 MM 2 lists and 182 MM 3 >> lists with 16 GB of ram and no swap. >> >> The server that supports this list and also the www.list.org web site >> has 4 GB of ram and no swap. >> >> -- >> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, >> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >> >

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: All addresses in a bounced list posting seem to be considered as bouncing

by Andy Smith

Hi Mark, On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 01:16:10PM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > What is your version of flufl.bounce? I'm using Debian stable, and this is what is packaged: $ dpkg -l | grep flufl ii python3-flufl.bounce 3.0.1-1 all email bounce detectors (Python 3) > I suspect this is https://gitlab.com/warsaw/flufl.bounce/-/issues/12 which > was fixed in flufl.bounce 4.0 and upgrading to 4.0 will fix this. So that probably answers that then. Hmm, I wonder about the best way to proceed. The next stable release of Debian will have something that calls itself 4.0-2 and looks like it is fixed there: https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/packages/flufl.bounce/-/blob/master/fl… so maybe I can ask for that package to be put in stable-backports. I think the other option might be to remove system package python3-flufl.bounce, add it back with "equivbs" so that its system dependencies think it is present and then install the latest one from pip. I'll report the bug in Debian anyway. Thanks! Cheers, Andy

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman 3.x upgrade and downgrade

by C. Souza

On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 12:21 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 7/12/22 6:12 AM, skooperit(a)gmail.com wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I have a few contradictory questions. > > > > 1. How to upgrade the 3.x version? > > > > 2. Is it possible to migrate (downgrade) the lists from mailman 3.x to > 2.1? > > > > 3. If so, what would be the best way to do that? > > > > > > My mailing list server is running on a CenOS-7x with postgreSQL and the > following mailman packages: > > > > django-mailman3 1.3.5 > > mailman 3.3.2 > > mailman-hyperkitty 1.1.0 > > mailman-web 0.0.3 > > mailmanclient 3.3.2 > > postorius 1.3.3 > > > > We have ~200 lists with more than a decade of history. > > > So you have installed Mailman 3, apparently following > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html. There is a > caveat. Current released versions of HyperKitty (I don't see your > version above) don't work with mistune >= 2.0.0. > > This is https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/431, fixed by > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/merge_requests/379 but not yet > released. > > If your installed mistune is not 2.0.0rc1, you can work around this with > this patch > ``` > --- a/hyperkitty/lib/renderer.py > +++ b/hyperkitty/lib/renderer.py > @@ -4,7 +4,7 @@ from django.conf import settings > > import mistune > from mistune.plugins.extra import plugin_url > -from mistune.scanner import escape_html, escape_url > +from mistune.util import escape_html, escape_url > > > class MyRenderer(mistune.HTMLRenderer): > ``` > Or you can downgrade mistune with > ``` > pip install mistune==2.0.0rc1 > ``` > in your virtualenv. > > To answer your questions, to migrate your lists, you use `mailman > import21` and to migrate archives, `mailman-web hyperkitty_import`. Give > these commands with the `--help` option for more info. > > Downgrading lists from Mailman 3 to Mailman 2.1 is not currently > possible. There is no inverse to `mailman import21`. You can export a > HyperKitty archive as a mbox to use as input to Mailman 2.1s bin/arch. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ Thanks Mark. You're right it was installed in a virtualenv using pip. I can't see the mistune package, maybe it wasn't a requirement for that version of mm3. 1 Package Version 2 ------------------- ---------- 3 aiosmtpd 1.2.4 4 alembic 1.5.3 5 arrow 0.17.0 6 asgiref 3.3.1 7 atpublic 2.1.2 8 authheaders 0.13.0 9 authres 1.2.0 10 bleach 3.3.0 11 blessed 1.17.12 12 certifi 2020.12.5 13 cffi 1.14.4 14 chardet 4.0.0 15 click 7.1.2 16 cmarkgfm 0.5.2 17 cryptography 3.3.1 18 decorator 4.4.2 19 defusedxml 0.6.0 20 Django 3.0.12 21 django-allauth 0.44.0 22 django-appconf 1.0.4 23 django-compressor 2.4 24 django-extensions 3.1.0 25 django-gravatar2 1.4.4 26 django-haystack 3.0 27 django-mailman3 1.3.5 28 django-picklefield 3.0.1 29 django-q 1.3.4 30 djangorestframework 3.12.2 31 dkimpy 1.0.5 32 dnspython 2.1.0 33 docutils 0.16 34 falcon 2.0.0 35 flufl.bounce 3.0.1 36 flufl.i18n 2.0.2 37 flufl.lock 3.2 38 gunicorn 20.0.4 39 HyperKitty 1.3.3 40 idna 2.10 41 importlib-resources 5.1.0 42 lazr.config 2.2.3 43 lazr.delegates 2.0.4 44 mailman 3.3.2 45 mailman-hyperkitty 1.1.0 46 mailman-web 0.0.3 47 mailmanclient 3.3.2 48 Mako 1.1.4 49 MarkupSafe 1.1.1 50 networkx 2.5 51 nose 1.3.7 52 oauthlib 3.1.0 53 packaging 20.9 54 passlib 1.7.4 55 pip 21.0.1 56 postorius 1.3.3 57 psycopg2-binary 2.8.6 58 publicsuffix2 2.20191221 59 pycparser 2.20 60 Pygments 2.7.4 61 PyJWT 2.0.1 62 pyparsing 2.4.7 63 python-dateutil 2.8.1 64 python-editor 1.0.4 65 python3-openid 3.2.0 66 pytz 2021.1 67 rcssmin 1.0.6 68 readme-renderer 28.0 69 requests 2.25.1 70 requests-oauthlib 1.3.0 71 rjsmin 1.1.0 72 robot-detection 0.4 73 setuptools 39.2.0 74 six 1.15.0 75 SQLAlchemy 1.3.23 76 sqlparse 0.4.1 77 typing-extensions 3.7.4.3 78 urllib3 1.26.3 79 uWSGI 2.0.19.1 80 wcwidth 0.2.5 81 webencodings 0.5.1 82 wheel 0.36.2 83 Whoosh 2.7.4 84 zipp 3.4.0 85 zope.component 4.6.2 86 zope.configuration 4.4.0 87 zope.deferredimport 4.3.1 88 zope.deprecation 4.4.0 89 zope.event 4.5.0 90 zope.hookable 5.0.1 91 zope.i18nmessageid 5.0.1 92 zope.interface 5.2.0 93 zope.proxy 4.3.5 94 zope.schema 6.0.1

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: Disable archives per list

by Bernd Wurst

Hello. Thank you for your answers. Am 25.02.21 um 22:01 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > Normally a list admin can select which of the enabled archivers is > active for that list via Postorius. To prevent this, you would have to > modify Postorius. It would be easy enough to just remove settings from > the relevant templates. This will take effect for all lists at once, I suppose. :( > I'm not sure what you mean by "custom archiver settings", but other than > enable/disable and public/private, probably not. Hyperkitty has a rather cool frontend but stores all messages from all lists together in one database table. Additionally, neither Mailman nor Hyperkitty seems to know or tell anything about archive sizes of a list. This is horribly for accounting. So I thought if I can have a separate hyperkitty installation per user without having to duplicate the whole mailman. Alternatively, I'd like to enable archiving only for some customers that buy a suitable plan. I did not really get into mailman plugins. Is is possible for plugins to hook into such settings? I could not really find examples for plugins. regards, Bernd

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: ARC

by Marvin Gülker

Am 13. August 2019 um 05:42 Uhr -0700 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > The question is not whether they support ARC, but whether they will > trust you. Well. That's nothing new, given that GMail and Microsoft liberally reject e-mail from small providers for no reason anyway (I have experienced it myself). If this situation doesn't change with ARC, I can live with this (by paying for an SMTP relay provider that proxies my e-mail). However, I thought the entire point in ARC was fixing automatic rejections caused by DMARC invalidation by mailing lists, which are vital for so many open-source projects (including Mailman iself). If ARC falls short of solving that problem, because the large providers do not automatically trust ARC, then supporting ARC on my mailing list server is kind of void. Why should almighty Microsoft trust my small personal mailing list server? ARC can only achieve its goal with black-listing untrusted relays rather than white-listing known good ones, because it is simply unfeasable to manually maintain a list of all open-source project mailing lists in the entire world. I could set a new one up tomorrow, how should you know? -- Blog: https://mg.guelker.eu

5 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Maximum number of recipients Setting

by Brian Carpenter

On 4/3/21 5:04 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 4/3/21 1:45 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> I have run several tests. It looks like on the 'Maximum number of >> recipients' setting, a 2 means 1. If I set it to 2, I can have the >> listname(a)listdomain.com only. If I have a CC, it comes to me for >> moderation. If I set it to a 3, I can send out to >> listname(a)listdomain.com plus a CC. If I set it to 3 and add 2 CC's plus >> the listname(a)listdomain.com address, it comes to me for moderation. > > I understand it's confusing, but it's been that way since the beginning > of Mailman 2.1. The docs at > <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rules/docs…> > say "For backward compatibility, the message must have fewer than the > maximum number of explicit recipients." > > I agree the description in Postorius could be clarified see > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/515>. > That explains it. Thanks for solving this mystery. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Twitter OAuth2

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > The last I looked into using Twitter as an OAuth2 provider, which was > some time ago, it would not work because Twitter would not provide the > user's email address via OAuth2. Possibly this could work if the user's > name was her Twitter handle. Yeah, but then I (@yasegumi@twitter) could log in as yasegumi(a)example.com and every other yasegumi in the world. There probably aren't any of those that aren't me, but of the 30 kids in my 6th grade class 5 were named something with the diminuative "Steve", and we also had one Stephanie. So I could log in as steve(a)turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (that's me) or steve(a)xemacs.org (that's not me, I'm stephen(a)xemacs.org) or steve(a)any.old.com. Not good. Also, I wouldn't trust Musk's Twitter with no security staff left to give out only confirmed email addresses. If they give out any address you gave them, then anybody can spoof anybody. So I would advise not using Twitter as an idP under any conditions, unless it's to prove you own a Twitter handle. Steve

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman admin (django) interface does not work anymore after deleting website example.com

by Torge Riedel

Am 10.03.19 um 16:44 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 3/10/19 8:18 AM, Torge Riedel wrote: >> I deleted the existing "example.com" and added a new one >> "lists.mydomain.de". >> >> Now the admin (django) interface always gives "An error occurred while >> processing your request". After one of the first navigation clicks I saw >> a message that "site with id 1 is missing". > > In your Django settings your have > > SITE_ID = 1 > > which pointed to the example.com domain you deleted. > > You need to override this in settings_local.py. Probably > > SITE_ID = 2 > > but if that doesn't work, try '0' > Ah, thank you Mark. That makes a kind of sense. I changed the database directly to fix it. And renamed example.com to lists.mydomain.de. Now the error is gone. I'm wondering why the initial database set up of postorius (?) adds "example.com". Is there a way to directly add my domain instead? Somewhere in settings_local.py?

6 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: duplicate SITE_IDs and broken /postorius/lists/ display; Mailman Client

by Stanisław Findeisen

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 09:27:06PM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > The issue is client.create_domain doesn't support setting a Web Host. Web Hosts are the sites in the django_site table and SITE_ID is the id of > the table entry. See `sites` in the Django admin UI. > > So when you create a domain with client.create_domain it gets arbitrarily assigned to a `site` Ok thanks, this is good to know. How about mailing list creation using Mailman Client, like this? domains = client.domains domains = list(filter(lambda x: (domain_name == x.mail_host), domains)) # .. check if domains is a singleton list .. domain1 = domains[0] domain1.create_list(list_name, style_name=style_name) Do you know of any quirks/deficiencies related to this kind of code? This code is taken from mailman3-utils: https://github.com/sfindeisen/mailman3-utils , a set of scripts I stitched together to facilitate common Mailman3 operations on the command-line. Most importantly this can apply the (currently hardcoded) set of list settings uniformly across the different lists (and different domains). (I realize part of this overlaps with the mailman command, especially in the local setting.) Thanks Stanisław

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Apache+mod_wsgi issue

by Odhiambo Washington

On Fri, Dec 23, 2022 at 2:02 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/22/22 13:57, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > WSGIDaemonProcess mailman-web display-name=mailman-web > > maximum-requests=1000 umask=0002 user=mailman group=mailman > > > python-path=/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages:/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9 > > python-home=/opt/mailman/mm/venv home=/opt/mailman/mm/var > > WSGIRestrictSignal Off > > > Add /opt/mailman/mm to python_path. I.e. > > > > python-path=/opt/mailman/mm:/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages:/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9 > Now working as expected. With this, my questions about running MM3 with either gunicorn or mod_wsgi are bound to get reduced to an acceptable level. There is just one more thing - I have this in settings.py: LOGGING['handlers']['file']['filename'] = '/opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/mailmanweb.log' However, the referenced file is ever empty. At what point is it supposed to record anything? Thank you very much and may you enjoy your festive season - the one we call Christmas. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] User stories about topics, dynamic sublists, or sibling lists

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 3/27/24 08:05, Markus Grandpre wrote: > > > > after I migrated a list from Mailman21 to Mailman3 I missed the > > Mailman21 setting "regular_include_lists" (or something similar) > > in Mailman3. How are sibling lists treated in Mailman3? > > The sibling list features do not exist in Mailman 3. Topics, dynamic lists, now sibling lists. All of these address a set of related problems, characterized by a large number of users who are divided into subgroups by interest, where the interests are pretty concrete and don't overlap much, each user may have several of those interests, and each subgroup considers the threads on other topics to be an interruption of their preferred workflow. I would be interested in hearing user stories about their sites' use cases for these features (and any similar features whether or not they were implemented in Mailman 2). Also horror stories, if any. (I can imagine that mixing rosters could leak personal information or result in annoying crosstalk.) Please keep it in this thread, or write me personally if you prefer. Steve

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty threads by month question

by Bryan Fields

On 7/26/24 11:19 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 7/26/24 18:53, Bryan Fields wrote: >> On 7/26/24 4:01 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >>> If this returns just the one message_id, I would then >>> >>> DELETE FROM hyperkitty_thread WHERE id = 35670; >>> DELETE FROM hyperkitty_email WHERE id = 150555; >> >> It's giving an error due to a fk constraint on another table. I'm not >> familiar with the db structure enough to be certain how to clean/fix it. > > Yes, you need to do these first. > > DELETE FROM hyperkitty_favorite WHERE thread_id = 35670; > DELETE FROM hyperkitty_tagging WHERE thread_id = 35670; > DELETE FROM hyperkitty_lastview WHERE thread_id = 35670; > DELETE FROM hyperkitty_vote WHERE email_id = 150555; > > Not all those will exist, but then you should be able to > > DELETE FROM hyperkitty_thread WHERE id = 35670; > DELETE FROM hyperkitty_email WHERE id = 150555; Sill no go on it. mailmanweb=> DELETE FROM hyperkitty_favorite WHERE thread_id = 35670; DELETE 0 mailmanweb=> DELETE FROM hyperkitty_tagging WHERE thread_id = 35670; DELETE 0 mailmanweb=> DELETE FROM hyperkitty_lastview WHERE thread_id = 35670; DELETE 0 mailmanweb=> DELETE FROM hyperkitty_vote WHERE email_id = 150555; DELETE 0 mailmanweb=> DELETE FROM hyperkitty_thread WHERE id = 35670; ERROR: update or delete on table "hyperkitty_thread" violates foreign key constraint "hyperkitty_email_thread_id_038c9aee_fk_hyperkitty_thread_id" on table "hyperkitty_email" DETAIL: Key (id)=(35670) is still referenced from table "hyperkitty_email". mailmanweb=> DELETE FROM hyperkitty_email WHERE id = 150555; ERROR: update or delete on table "hyperkitty_email" violates foreign key constraint "hyperkitty_thread_starting_email_id_fa7c55f5_fk_hyperkitt" on table "hyperkitty_thread" DETAIL: Key (id)=(150555) is still referenced from table "hyperkitty_thread". >> I'm actually thinking I need to fix the archive mbox, then delete them and >> re-import them once they are cleaned. > > > Actually, that would be safest. Fix the mbox, delete the entire archive > and re-run the import. I'll attempt to clean this up tomorrow an clean it up/re-import. Is there a quick/easy way to drop the entire archive from the db or must I delete the entire list? >>> Also, FYI, assuming those messages with very old Date: headers had >>> reasonable unix from dates, the hyperkitty/contrib/cleanarch3 script >>> would fix them, except you have to get the script from >>> https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/contrib/clea… >>> or https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/cleanarch3 because the script in the >>> latest release has a bug. >> >> I tried the dry run option on your script and it gave a bunch of output >> for bad >> dates. This was absent on the one shipping with the source. What's >> interesting >> is that pipermail seems to have no issue with this, detecting the date >> correctly. > > If I recall correctly, pipermail checks date skew and 'fixes' the dates > in the archive, but they remain off in the mbox. I'll have to check that, but I've got at least some good leads now and tools to find suspected issues. It does seem like a bad design that importing a mailman2 mbox can cause the server to error 500. >> Is the archive tool in pipermail's import more robust in this manner? >> I'd argue >> it's common to have missing In-Reply-To: headers where the subject and time >> would need to be used to infer the likely thread. I'll agree this is a >> major >> violation of the relevant RFC's to be missing this, but many MUA's (M$) are >> famous for doing just this. > > > Yes, it's arguably a defect in HyperKitty to not implement Jamie > Zawinski's threading algorithm <https://www.jwz.org/doc/threading.html>, > but it doesn't. Well that kinda blows :-( I'm not going to take down the old archives, but I'd like at least one to be searchable, which is why we wanted to use mailman3/hyperkitty. Thank you, -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: SpamAssassin header confusion

by skenny＠scss.tcd.ie

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 4/8/21 3:18 PM, skenny(a)scss.tcd.ie wrote: > > On the face of it, it looks like Mailman has removed the X-Spam-* headers. > > This should not be the case. Mailman removes some headers from posts to > anonymous lists, but not X-Spam- headers even there. Are you sure you > are looking at the raw message headers and not some MUAs rendition of them? > I can think of no reason why Mailman would remove those headers. I think I may have been misreading what's going on. The spam email is first received by Postfix and rinsed by SpamAssassin. In the copy that gets retained as a gzipped file under /var/lib/amavis/virusmails, there's a header present near the top that says "Delivered-To: spam-quarantine" - as well as all the X-Spam-* headers. So Postfix must consider the message "delivered" in that sense. My guess is that it then hands off the original email - minus all the X-Spam-* and other headers, but with the amended Subject: line (***SPAM*****) - to Mailman. Thus Mailman never sees those spam-related headers in the first place (?) Stephen

4 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Held messages: Long time waiating for response of the Mailman API

by Stephan Krinetzki

Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Mark Sapiro writes: > > mailmancore/API ->database > > that seems to have an issue and only with this one > > DELETE FROM pendedkeyvalue WHERE pendedkeyvalue.id = XXX > > query. However, like you, I have no idea as to what you could do further > > to debug this. > > I have an idea, but it seems so obvious that presumably it's already > been tried: log in to the database as mailman with pgsql and try > deleting something. If that works immediately, try with mailmanclient > and the mailman command line utility. > Steve Well, we didn't try this. Since we don't know what the query for deleting a held message in the database needs to look like, we left that out for now. If someone can help me there, it would be great. Over the mailman shell it hangs as long as on the web ui (using mailman shell -l list@host and iterating over the held messages). So it is the communication Mailman API <-> Database.

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman web interface / uwsgi

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 11/27/22 00:19, Jan Eden via Mailman-users wrote: > > > > I see. But the mailman.cfg is placed in /etc/mailman3, and this file > > also belongs to the core, doesn't it? In any case, I changed the > > configuration parameter for [archiver.hyperkitty] as you suggested and > > all settings are in one place now. > > In that case, it's probably just an oversight. Yes, I think that's what's going on. There's been quite a bit of simplification and unification of the Django configuration over time, which is ongoing and not 100% reflected in all documentation. Because of the way most Linux distros work (and I think it's probably true for *BSD and other POSIX systems), it makes sense to put users' site configurations in /etc. I don't see a particular reason why with the current relatively small set of config files we'd want to put HyperKitty or Postorius files elsewhere than /etc/mailman3 (although it might make sense to have more separation given the existence of EMWD's Affinity etc). Steve

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moving from forum to Mailman 3

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 10/9/20 4:39 PM, jonathan.mailing.lists(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > Thanks for this. I’m sure I could turn that basic information > > (from, date, subject) into an mbox file somehow. What else does > > Mailman need, eg to work out which messages are in reply to > > which? > > To properly thread messages, each message should have a unique > Message-ID: header and all replies should have an In-Reply-To: header > with the Massage-ID: of the message to which it's a reply. [example thread omitted] > The angle brackets around the strings are required and every Message-ID: > in the entire archive for a list must be unique. This is harder to do well (or even "well enough") than you might think. I recommend using some software targeting RFC 4122: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4122. RFC 4122 is implemented in the Python standard library (the uuid module), so if you have Mailman, you have it. The command line utility uuidgen is also good, and you probably have that too if you prefer CLI scripting to Python. Steve

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: installation

by Brian Carpenter

On 11/22/20 6:54 PM, Henry S wrote: > > Now I am trying to figure out how to configure mailman+postfix to pass > the unnecessarily convoluted world of spam-free certification and ip > blockings by those 'security lawmakers'. > > Any suggestions on how to not be blocked by gmail, hotmail, etc? I > have used DKIM (no signing yet), SPF, DMARC to no avail. Maybe not an > appropriate question to this mailman list. Mark Sapiro provided some very good suggestions. Is this a new IP address or one that has been used for mail traffic for a white? The only way Gmail and Hotmail will block an IP address is if you have some major outgoing spamming problems or in the case of a new IP address, the IP address has a sordid history which will be reveal if you do a RBL check on it. Gmail likes SPF records and MTA's that utilizes SSL for outbound mail. For Hotmail deliveries, you will want to signed up for Microsoft's Smart Network Data Service (SNDS) program which I find very good. Also sign up for their JMRP program for your IP address. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty

by Onyeibo

Hi Mark, On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 12:24:24 -0800 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 1/30/23 11:58, Onyeibo wrote: > >> 2. Your MM3 log files - do they say anything? > >> > > Nothing! No new errors. It is very strange and frustrating > > > Are there files in /opt/mailman/mm/var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/? > YES! A lot of them > Do messages received from the list have an Archived-At: header:? > No > Do messages received from the list have a List-Archive: header:? > No > If the first answer is yes, the mailman_hyperkitty archive_message > method is failing. > > If the second answer is no, the mailman_hyperkitty permalink method > is failing. > > If the second answer is no, the mailman_hyperkitty list_url method is > failing. > That means they are all failing. Wow > All of these failures log errors to the mailman.archiver log which by > default is written to mailman.log. The log doesn't have entries pointing to failures above > > If by chance there is an Archived-At: header, what is it? > The mails don't have that header. I suspect I may have to investigate SELinux.

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: lists.mailman3.org web site.

by Barry Warsaw

On Aug 30, 2016, at 12:01 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >Django Allauth is now properly configured and working on >lists.mailman3.org. You can log in by email/password as noted above or via >OAuth2 with a GitHub, GitLab, Google or Facebook identity. > >If you are an existing user, in order to use one of the OAuth2 providers, you >must first log in with email and password and go to the Account Connections >tab in your account settings and add the 3rd party account(s) you wish. This works pretty great. I tried it with my GitHub and GitLab accounts and was easily able to associate those with my Postorius and HK accounts. I didn't try FB or Google, but I guess those would work the same way. I'll miss Persona but I think this is an entirely acceptable alternative, with plenty of choice for folks wanting to control which authority they delegate to. I'd mildly like to see Launchpad support, but I understand 1) it's a minority platform; 2) it only supports OAuth 1. Thanks to the developers for adding this support and to Mark for enabling it. Cheers, -Barry

8 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: no mails to list members

by Thomas Stein

Thanks for the clarification Mark. cheers t. On Friday, 4 January 2019 19:25:20 CET Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 1/4/19 6:49 AM, Thomas Stein wrote: > > > > While we`re at it. Is /var/lib/mailman3/templates/lists/$listname the right location for customized templates? > > > There are multiple ways to reference templates, but just putting them in > that location should work. > > > > Should > > I name the template list:member:generic:footer.txt or list_member_generic_footer.txt? > > > Your list was created with an older version of import21. That version > named the templates it stored with underscores rather than colons and > set the URI for that template to use the underscore name. Thus, without > changing the URI for the template, you need to continue to use the > underscore name for those templates, but for other templates, you can > use the name with colons and not worry about the URI. > > > > Is there some documentation > > what variables i can put in those templates? > > > See > <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/templates.ht…>. > >

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Module Not Found Error after update

by Abhilash Raj

On Thu, Feb 4, 2021, at 8:52 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > > On 2/4/21 11:46 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > You need django-mailman3 1.3.5 > > > > > > While all are not required in this case, when you upgrade like this with > > pip, you should upgrade all of django-mailman3, hyperkitty, mailman, > > mailmanclient, mailman-hyperkitty and postorius. > > Thanks Mark. Perhaps Abhilash can include that in the instructions on > the following page for future releases: > > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… I was hoping pip would actually upgrade django-mailman3 given that P requires ‘django-mailman3>=1.3.5’ [1] but looks like it didn’t :( [1]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/blob/master/setup.py#L56 > I will make a note of this in my own personal documentation and the > Debian 10 How-to guide that I am currently working on. > > -- > Brian Carpenter > Harmonylists.com > Emwd.com > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderate mails from owner

by Henrik Rasmussen

Mark Sapiro wrote: > This can happen in a few ways., If this list was originally imported > from Mailman 2.1 by the 'mailman import21' command, there may be a > legacy accept_these_nonmembers attribute for the list. If so, and if a This makes sense. The list was in fact imported from Mailman 2.1. > You need to check the list's accept_these_nonmembers attribute and the > non-member address's moderation action. > > If you have recent Postorius, you can see nonmembers and their options > from the 'users' -> Non-members view. I currently have Postorius 1.2.2 so I don't have it yet. > mailman shell -l list.example.com The sender is in the list of accept_these_nonmembers, however the command memb.moderation_action = m.default_nonmember_action doesn't seem to remove it from accept_these_nonmembers. bash-4.3# mailman shell -l [LISTNAME].lists.example.com Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell The variable 'm' is the [LISTNAME].lists.example.com mailing list >>> m.accept_these_nonmembers ['listadmin(a)senderdep.example.com'] >>> memb = m.nonmembers.get_member('listadmin(a)senderdep.example.com') >>> memb.moderation_action <Action.accept: 3> >>> memb.moderation_action = m.default_nonmember_action >>> m.accept_these_nonmembers ['listadmin(a)senderdep.example.com'] -- Henrik

6 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Fwd: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /archives/search

by Johannes Rohr

Am 23.01.23 um 21:08 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 1/23/23 02:41, Johannes Rohr wrote: >> >> I don't understand what the cause for the "permission denied" could >> be. The directory "fulltext_index" is owned by mailman:mailman >> >> Does anyone have a hint? I did some googling for the error, but to no >> avail, unfortunately. > > > It's actually trying to create fulltext_index, so clearly it's not > looking at the fulltext_index that you are. If you are following > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html you > probably need to specify the path in /etc/mailman3/settings.py as in, > e.g. > ``` > HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS['default']['PATH'] = > '/opt/mailman/mm/var/fulltext_index' Thanks! Indeed. Including this line helps. It makes the error go away. So I guess the instructions should be amended. After that, for some reason, I have to re-index all lists, because initially, empty results were returned for any query, only after re-indexing to I get results. Again, thanks so much for your support! Johannes > ``` >

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Adding / manipulating users

by Seth Seeger

> On Nov 18, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 11/18/19 6:15 AM, Seth Seeger wrote: >> >> My next question - I have two lists from Yahoo to import. I’ve migrated them through groups.io and have a convenient export. I now have all the data in formats I can handle. (json file for members, mbox for archives.) What’s the best way to import hundreds of users, setting their mail delivery status and moderation status at the same time? (There doesn’t seem to be a command line option for adding members anymore where you can also set their delivery status.) I’ve looked at the documentation, but couldn’t figure out what to do. > > > ... > > Alternatively, you could create a script that would post the appropriate > transactions to add a member and set moderation and delivery status to > Mailman's REST API and use that to process your members. Great! I can definitely do the REST API route. If I create a script to take a CSV and push it through the API, is there a place I can post it to make it useful for others? Seth

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: I did something stupid. Can i back out of it?

by William Oliver

On Sat, 2022-02-19 at 13:11 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/19/22 12:41 PM, William Oliver wrote: > > > > So, I can just kill the listname user altogether? > > > As far as Mailman is concerned, Yes. > > No joy. I deleted the list as well, and recreated it with the same name -- and the error repeated. I created a list with a different name, and there's no error. I must have really screwed something up in dovecot. Happily, this is a small list, so I'll just migrate everybody to the newly named "listname2". So.. as an aside, it was a bit of a hassle to copy and paste all the usernames from the "Users" list in Postorius to the "Mass subscribe." The only way I could see to do it was copy and paste them one at a time. That worked OK for me, since it's a small list, but that made me wonder if there was a way to select, say, 100 users out of Users and subscribe them all to a list. billo

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Subscribing users stuck in pending hell

by Quanah Gibson-Mount

--On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 9:21 AM -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 5/24/23 08:11, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: >> Hi, >> >> We frequently end up with users who never receive their email to confirm >> their account, leaving them in a netherworld where they cannot become >> list members. If I try to subscribe them via the mass subscribe >> option, it says I can't because their subscription is pending. If I >> go to subscription requests, it says there are 0. If I go to >> "non-members" in the UI, I can find them, but I don't see an option to >> convert them to members. > > > Subscription requests says 0 because it only counts those pending > moderator approval, but if you pull down the menu and select Pending > Confirmation, it should show the request and enable you to delete it, and > then mass subscribe will work. The only elements that have a drop down menu are: Users Mass operations There is no "Pending Confirmation" with either of these. Note: Postorius Version 1.2.4 --Quanah

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman-web compress - Invalid template socialaccount/login_cancelled.html

by Jered Floyd

I believe this is correct, and will need to be fixed on the Mailman side. The practical effects seem to be -- for me at least -- that any of the pages for social logins fail to receive any template styling. --Jered ----- On Nov 8, 2023, at 10:01 AM, Jeremy Stanley fungi(a)yuggoth.org wrote: > On 2023-11-07 19:46:01 -0800 (-0800), Mark Sapiro wrote: > [...] >> I don't think this is fatal, but I have reported it at >> https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/issues/3513 > > We've been seeing the same thing in our deployment, I just hadn't > found the time to look into it yet. Looks like upstream won't-fixed > it, so I guess it was an intentionally backward-incompatible change > and the template files will need some minor reworking? > -- > Jeremy Stanley > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to jered(a)convivian.com

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: CPU usage when idle

by roughnecks

Il 28/05/2025 23:42, Mark Sapiro ha scritto: > On 5/28/25 08:27, roughnecks via Mailman-users wrote: >> >> It's the manage.py qcluster whatever is called. I have shut down MM >> for the time being, because I'm not fully motivated to have it >> running, so I can't be more accurate right now. > > I don't know how qcluster is configured in the Debian packages (which > are out of date and possibly buggy anyway). You may be using django-q > <https://django-q.readthedocs.io/en/latest/> and if so, you should > migrate to django-q2 <https://django-q2.readthedocs.io/en/master/>. Both > typically use memcached as a backend. I wouldn't know how to migrate and if that means doing anything not in the debian-way (haven't opened any link so far). About qcluster configs, yes, all correct but there is no configuration for caches, so probably it's the default one you specified. I can look into this. > You can get info about what qcluster is doing with `manage.py qinfo` and > monitor things with `manage.py qmemory` and `manage.py qmonitor`. Thanks, helpful.

2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Multiple domain problem

by Lars Bjørndal

On Thu, Feb 09, 2023 at 02:05:09PM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/9/23 13:21, Lars Bjørndal wrote: > > > > I have lists on two domains, example1.com and example2.com. The mail > > interface works perfectly. However, connecting a browser to > > example1.com, I get the title List index - example1.com, and the web > > interface seems to work fine. > > > > If I connect to example2.com, the title is example2.com, without the > > preceding List index. And the body says Page not found. > > > What's in the browser's address bar for that page? It's https://example2.com/mailman3/lists/ For the domain that works, it is https://example1.com/mailman3/lists/ Please note that I've changed mailman to mailman3 for the complete installation. > What's in Postorius domains view? I realized that I have to change SIT_ID to 1 to be able to connect to http://localhost:8000/. Then, when checking Domains, I have both domains with different SIT_ID value (1 and 2). > What's in the Django admin sites view. Going to http://localhost:8000/admin and choosing Sites, I have both domains listed. Thanks Lars

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: search this list searches more then just this list

by Marco van Tol

Op 23 jan 2024, om 19:09 heeft Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> het volgende geschreven: > > On 1/23/24 05:49, Marco van Tol wrote: >> Small unfortunate twist, this leads to: >> --- >> [ERROR/MainProcess] Failed indexing 204001 - 205000 (retry 5/5): Term too long (> 245): ... >> --- >> I have seen comments on that from back in 2020, but what’s the latest advise on how to deal with this? > > This issue is discussed at <https://github.com/notanumber/xapian-haystack/pull/181>. > There are two patches for this issue. They are somewhat different approaches, but either one is OK. One patch is the one in the above PR <https://github.com/notanumber/xapian-haystack/pull/181/files>. The other is at <https://github.com/alexsilva/xapian-haystack/commit/a53523d2d0d13929a0729d4…>. > > I use the one from the PR, but it requires a substitution `s/force_text/str/`. Hi, thanks! Just to double check, do you mean `str` or `force_str` in the substitution? I found a comment on this topic regarding django-4 where they advice to use force_str. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/70382084/import-error-force-text-from-d… Thanks! Marco van Tol

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty error - not archiving

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sat, Jul 26, 2025 at 8:28 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 7/26/25 1:23 AM, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > > I am seeing the error below and wondering what's the cause: > > The message has some issue which is causing HyperKitty to not be able to > archive the message. The message will be queued in Mailman's > var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ directory and can be examined with > `mailman qfile`. If you do that and the cause is not clear, you can post > the message, and we will investigate. If the message is unwanted, you > can just remove the file from Mailman's var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ > directory. > I had examined the message using 'mailman qfile', but did not see anything obvious. There were 3 files inside the spool/ directory. I have just checked again and they are no longer there. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 reinstall fail, need some help

by Yvan ♞

Finally succeed to reinstall with a very precious help !!! /etc/mailman3 folder was removed before the mailman3 package was supressed, apt noticed it and he believed that it was a modification of the configuration of mailman that was wanted, so each time the debian mailman3 package was reinstalled, he did not put the conf in /etc/mailman3, which caused the package installation to crash, and therefore the app install on ynh Le 03/04/2022 à 12:53, Odhiambo Washington a écrit : > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 12:06 PM Yvan ♞<elemac(a)free.fr> wrote: > >> Hello every body >> I have progress to try to reinstall mailman3 on yunohost server but I >> still have an error, if somebody can help me as I don't understand the log >> https://paste.yunohost.org/raw/ugijepuyuv >> Sincerely. >> Yvan >> > Hi Yvan, > > As previously advised by Mark Sapiro, you are better off taking to the > YunoHost support people for help. > They will most likely help you with the failing dependencies issue. > > But I also wonder - why don't you follow the virtualenv method to install? >

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postfix SMTP REJECT non-subscribers

by Matthew Blissett

On 11/07/2024 04:11, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 7/10/24 12:26 AM, Matthew Blissett via Mailman-users wrote: >> >> With Mailman 2, I have configuration and scripts to reject >> non-members from posting to lists _during the SMTP connection_. This >> is better than bouncing (no backscatter), better than discarding >> messages (the user finds out) and better than moderation (spammy >> messages aren't forwarded to external email systems). >> >> >> The configuration and scripts are described here: >> https://code.launchpad.net/~jimpop/mailman/check_subscriber >> >> >> Is anything like this built-in to Mailman 3? I cannot find it in >> Gitlab. > > No. nothing similar is built in to Mailman 3, but it shouldn't be > difficult to implement. It could be done with a milter as in the above > implementation, or it could be done by modifying the _handle_RCPT > function in mailman/runners/lmtp.py to check if the sender is a member > of the recipient list. Thanks. I have implemented it by adapting the Mailman 2 script to use the REST API of Mailman 3: https://gist.github.com/MattBlissett/c1f58dcc182423f48e2305b3d91ea44d -- Matt

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: How to Increase outgoing mail volume for Mailman 3

by Mark Dadgar

On Nov 10, 2020, at 1:40 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >> Brian specified: >> >> verp_personalized_deliveries: no >> >> Doesn’t that default back to regular mass delivery, as opposed to individualized VERPed envelopes, which mandates individual deliveries? > > > That depends on the setting of verp_delivery_interval. If > verp_delivery_interval = 1, every message will be VERPed regardless of > verp_personalized_deliveries. If verp_delivery_interval = 0 and > verp_personalized_deliveries = no, deliveries won't be VERPed as you > note. If verp_delivery_interval = 0 and verp_personalized_deliveries = > yes, only personalized deliveries (i.e. individual messages, not > digests, from lists with Personalization enabled) will be VERPed. > > The theory is VERPing has a cost because it requires a separate message > sent to each recipient rather than a single message with multiple > recipients, but personalization also requires a separate message sent to > each recipient, so those can be VERPed at no extra cost. > > But to be clear, automated bounce processing does not require VERP. It > just works a tiny bit more reliably with VERP. Great explanation - thank you. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Footer from templates not working - DB issue?

by Hans Mayer

Hi Mark, many thanks for this hint. I updated table "template" and replaced "localhost" with the real name and it worked. // Hans -- On 25.09.22 19:28, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 9/25/22 05:26, mailman--- via Mailman-users wrote: >> Dear All, >> I have a similar issue. Also on Debian 11. Also installed as Debian >> PKG. It's version GNU Mailman 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer) >> I am using sqlite3. When I do the SQL-query I get an URI which is in >> multiple reasons wrong >> http://localhost/mailman3/postorius/api/templates/list/....../list:member:r… >> > > The initial part of that URL is set from the Django setting > `POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL`. If that is set to > `http://localhost/mailman3/`, it should probably be just > `http://localhost/`. > > >> OK - the hostname could be changed but the path is not existing at all. >> There is no file "list:member:regular:footer" on the complete >> filesystem. > > It's not a file. It refers to an entry in the postorius_emailtemplate > table in the database which is retrieved via the Postorius API. >

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty threads by month question

by Bryan Fields

On 7/9/24 3:39 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > See this post and maybe more of that thread which may help. > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… Thanks Mike, I've been looking into this, and I don't think it's that. What I did find is that our mbox from the mailman2 list is actually a amalgamation of mailman2, and majordomo archives. The mbox is not in order, but the start of the mbox starts in 2007 (coinciding with the last displayed month). Later on in the mbox file, the archives going back to 1992 from majordomo are present. There is no errors in the check_hk_import for this, and the messages are present in the index when I search for them and there are no errors during import. mailman 2.1 archives works just fine with this mbox file. Here's a link to the server in question, it's just a text box as we work through this. There's about 14k people on this list, so we want to get it right before cut over. https://nanog-mm3.keekles.org/archives/list/mm2-mm3@nanog-mm3.keekles.org/ Any ideas? -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Username being set to givenname for socialaccount login

by Andreas Barth

* Mark Sapiro (mark(a)msapiro.net) [210922 20:46]: > On 9/22/21 11:22 AM, cfarley(a)iastate.edu wrote: > >I have a new mailman3 install setup with Okta as a social application. This is working well for logins and data comes through as expected, but for some reason the username is being set at to a lowercase version of the given_name. The Extra data on the social users in the admin interface looks good, so I don’t think it’s a problem with the attributes coming from Okta. > > > >We have tried a number of variations on the below setting, but that all of them other than the default of “username” end up with the username being empty. > >ACCOUNT_USER_MODEL_USERNAME_FIELD = “email” > > > >Any direction would be welcome. > > This is an issue for Django allauth > <https://django-allauth.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html>. > Mailman has no control over this. The username is part of Django's > login and is not used by Mailman at all. Does that mean, not having an user name would work for mailman? I always thought having an user name was required Regards, Andi

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 3.1 beta coming soon

by Barry Warsaw

On Dec 09, 2016, at 09:37 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >I understand you need to feel comfortable about everything going into >the core and this takes time and energy to review all the MRs, but I >think it is pretty important to get the DMARC mitigations into the core. >If there's anything I can do to help with this, let me know. > >I will rebase my branch again and possibly make one minor tweak, but I >think it should be OK. Thanks for pushing back on this Mark. Obviously, I have a high degree of trust in your work, but yeah, my compulsive behavior is showing through. ;) Please do rebase and if you can, remilestone the MR to 3.1. We'll get it in. >I can also work on Postorius. Also in this vein I have a question. >Should the DMARC settings be added to the Alter Messages tab in the List >Settings view or would it be better to have a separate DMARC Mitigations >tab. My gut reaction is to add a separate DMARC Mitigations tab, but Florian and Terri have final say I think. Cheers, -Barry

8 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Time Zone Issue in Postorius

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Henrik Rasmussen writes: > > Fra: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> > > It should be TIME_ZONE = 'UTC' > > > > Times passed from Mailman core are naive times, I.e. they don't have > > time zone info, but they are in UTC. Mark is saying that Mailman core converts to UTC. All times that come out of Mailman core in the relevant API are UTC. > As stackoverflow.com/questions/29311354/how-to-set-the-timezone-in-django > seems to say otherwise ("You can use TIME_ZONE = 'Europe/Istanbul'"), > to make sure, am I right to understand it as for Mailman, Danish time > should be stated as "TIME_ZONE = 'UTC+1' " with use of "USE_TZ = True"? No, USE_TZ=True means "hey Django, you need to add a time zone to this datetime." And you use TIME_ZONE=UTC (exactly), because this variable is *not* the local time zone, it's the time zone that Postorius tells Django to add to datetime objects that don't carry their timezone with them. There is a setting somewhere else that tells Django what time zone should be used for I/O. Steve

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Custom Archiver

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 4/1/23 16:33, Peter Knowles wrote: > > That all being said, on a slight segway... Aside from using the > > REST API, is it practical or possible to manipulate the database > > directly? That is, in doing so would it just work or are there > > extra moving parts when an API request is issued? > > It probably is possible, but I would definitely discourage it. The > REST API should provide everything you need without your having to > reimplement everything it does. I think it would probably be a really heavy lift, because Mailman internally uses an object-relational manager, SQAlchemy. We occasionally change the schema, and SQAalchemy will automatically upgrade the database schema. You would have to handle that by hand in your code. I would recommend you get the sources for mailmanclient (https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailmanclient, iirc). They're quite repetitive, you wouldn't want to literally port them, but once you're familiar with the scaffolding and a couple of the commands you should be able to write a lot of PHP really fast to cover the REST endpioints you most need in a library with an API to your taste. Steve

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: AttributeError: 'MailingList' object has no attribute 'get_requests_count'

by Shashikanth Komandoor

Can I go back to any previous version which is felt as working fine ? <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 11:43 AM Stephen J. Turnbull < turnbull.stephen.fw(a)u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote: > Mark Sapiro writes: > > > I think the issue is your mailmanclient is too old. The version of > > Postorius you are running requires mailmanclient >3.3.1 which is only > > available from GitLab <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailmanclient>. > > > > What version of Postorius is this? It appears to be >1.3.3. If you > > install Postorius from unreleased code on GitLab, you have to install > > all of mailman, mailmanclient and django-mailman3 as well. > > Shouldn't Postorius's setup.py be checking for this? > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman 3 Installation

by Mark Dadgar

On Jan 16, 2021, at 7:31 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 1/16/21 6:06 PM, bruce.dubbs(a)gmail.com wrote: >> I do have sqlite installed, but the documentation discusses mysql/mariadb and postresql. What are the considerations as to why I would need one of these other DBs? > > You can use sqlite, but if you don't already have a mysql/mariadb > database on the server, we recommend postgresql for performance and > robustness. I personally have had issues with mysql and use postgresql > on one production server that uses mysql for other applications. I’ll word this a little more strongly: do not use sqlite for a production server. Do not "just start with sqlite to get it running and then I’ll migrate it to something else down the road.” There is currently no validated way to migrate a mailman3 instance from sqlite to something else, and by “no validated way” what I actually mean is “no one has managed to get this to work, me included.” Put in the extra effort to start with posgresql or mysql/mariadb up front. You’ll regret it if you don’t. Ask me how I know. 😁 - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to promote non-members to members?

by Quanah Gibson-Mount

--On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 10:29 PM -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 3/15/22 11:16, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: >> Hello, >> >> We have a constant issue with confirmation emails for subscribers >> getting lost and then the subscriber contacting us because their posts >> to the list never show up. Is there a way I can, as an administrator, >> do the confirmation on their behalf or in some other way promote them to >> being a member from non-member? > > See this thread > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/threa > d/MJOOH23W6EKZO7GI5HRDKB4S733JEEVG/ > > If they don't have an outstanding subscription waiting user confirmation, > you can just mass subscribe them. > > If they do and your Postorius and Mailman core is reasonably up to date, > you can find the pending request at Subscription requests -> Pending > Confirmation, delete it and then mass subscribe them. Hi Mark, Thanks for the response. Unfortunately I'm currently stuck with the junk shipped by Debian. Yet another reason to move to a standalone install and avoid their broken packages. Regards, Quanah

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Chinese characters in list name shows question mark (?)

by Franklin Weng

Hi Mark, Mark Sapiro 於 2019/10/26 上午2:08 寫道: > The issue is the list welcome message is sent in the character set of > the new member's preferred language and if that is not set in the > subscription request, and it's not possible to do that in Postorius, it > defaults to the installation's preferred language. > > It should probably default to the list's preferred language. See > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/608> > > You have two choices: > > You can set the installation's default language by putting > > [mailman] > default_language: zh_TW > > in your mailman.cfg, or you can leave the default language English and > set the character set for English to utf-8 by putting > > [language.en] > charset: utf-8 > > in your mailman.cfg. Thanks for your help. After trying I found that it only worked when I set the [language.en] charset to utf-8. If I didn't set this but only set default_language in [mailman] section to zh_TW it still sent ? in the welcome messages. I commented in the issue. Thanks, Franklin

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman archive issues (Hyperkitty)

by Ruth Ivimey-Cook

On 03/06/2021 15:09, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 6/3/21 1:06 AM, Kimmo L wrote: >> Thanks for the quick replay! >> If its not a big trouble, could you kindly give me some advice/guide >> how upgrade my Hyperkitty/Postorius/Django from python2 to python3. >> I would be very grateful. > > > It depends heavily on how Mailman was installed to begin with, but > essentially you just upgrade the various components to the latest > versions using pip. Some things you need to be aware of are at > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/upgrade-3.2.html If you start with python libs installed using a package manager (apt, yum, etc) and later upgrade them using pip, make sure you lock the packages at their current version so they cannot be changed by package updates, or you'll eventually have the package manager do an unintended downgrade. It is usually best to start with a distinct installation from pip, into a python venv to avoid changing system libs. You can of course seed that install with the current setup first! Ruth -- Software Manager & Engineer Tel: 01223 414180 Blog: http://www.ivimey.org/blog LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ruthivimeycook/

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: nginx configuration on a multitasking server

by David Newman

On 12/23/21 9:18 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > However, that's not the issue. You originally reported and I didn't look > closely enough: > >> Update: The above worked fine until MM3 informed a list owner of >> pending subscription requests, with a URL like this: >> >> https://lists.example.com/mailman/admindb/listname >> >> and that URL returned a 404 error. > > > That URL is from a Mailman 2.1 installation. Are you still running > Mailman 2.1? I'm not, but that, and me not looking closely, was the problem. The system doesn't run MM2.1 any more, and no longer has it installed. But I failed to notice the dates on those 'admindb' messages: They were from the day of the upgrade, about 30 minutes before decommissioning MM2.1. And the docs do say explicitly to deal with any pending tasks before doing a cutover. The task-pending message that MM3 sends to list owners and moderators just says generically to check the dashboard, without providing a URL. Can that be modified to provide an explicit URL, something like this? https://lists.example.com/mailman3/lists/listname Thanks again for spotting this. dn

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: [NON-INTERNAL] Re: Missing Archived emails - Hyperkitty - CERT Issue

by Odhiambo Washington

PS: I beg you to put your responses below the last one. Makes the hierarchy look better. Now, have you edited your /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg and restarted MM3? On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 3:18 PM Willie Castillo < Willie.Castillo(a)caemilusa.com> wrote: > Odhiambo, long time no hear from you. Hope you are doing well. > > The last archived post for that specific list is July 3rd. 2025. We do not > see the one for July 25th. Also, I just noticed something else in the logs, > apparently the server is still having "SSLCertVerificationError" issues > even after updating the DigiCert, CA-Certificate,etc. I must be missing > something else. > > Based on that, looks like the archiving is failing still due to the > "SSLCertVerificationError". > > The spool directory now has 8 *.pck files in it. However, I do not see the > original ones from 7/25 > > ~# ll -t /opt/mailman/mm/var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 14725 Jul 29 08:07 > 1753790859.2498085+320096cb9852779b55a4cbb1e4f9603736ebd78d.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 15122 Jul 29 08:07 > 1753790859.2437658+7fddf881d592f27be60e32aa5b3c34c7077b9988.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 6399 Jul 29 08:07 > 1753790859.2370558+ee410eb31691bf2854cca46c64e80e3bf61c3523.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 26619 Jul 29 08:07 > 1753790859.230345+b2e70f5b65900731895bbee5a3d83401f1500567.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 15676 Jul 29 08:07 > 1753790859.2225533+82371c8a0202d62eaa046dd3633a23d6837d7a80.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 98273 Jul 29 08:07 > 1753790859.2136636+8ee9273fbbaf4352d482e69d177e2eb2824078a5.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 98109 Jul 29 08:07 > 1753790859.2026713+49d82ecd57eda7eaa582ba925449e2343bea5c56.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 88479 Jul 29 08:07 > 1753790859.191489+162aa89dcac50ca6f5463ce1098c828728af12d1.pck > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo(a)gmail.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2025 7:59 AM > *To:* mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org>; Mark > Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> > *Cc:* Willie Castillo <Willie.Castillo(a)caemilusa.com> > *Subject:* Re: [MM3-users] Re: [NON-INTERNAL] Re: Missing Archived emails > - Hyperkitty - CERT Issue > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not > click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know > the content is safe. > > > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 2:25 PM Willie Castillo < > Willie.Castillo(a)caemilusa.com> wrote: > > The issue started right after the site's CERT expired. The CERT expired on > 7/8/25. This is what's in the log... > > Jul 16 15:19:45 2025 (3777209) Connection to HyperKitty failed: > HTTPSConnectionPool(host='XXX.com', port=443): Max retries exceeded with > url: /hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls?mlist=jmats-versions%40XXX.com (Caused by > SSLError(SSLCertVerificatio > nError(1, '[SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed: > certificate has expired (_ssl.c:1000)'))) > > The CERT has been updated but the 7/25 message is not archived still. > > > While at it, also edit your /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg to what > is documented so that the issue doesn't recur: > ``` > [general] > base_url: http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/ > <https://urldefense.us/v3/__http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/__;!!E8b8mVbrrfWV…> > api_key: Secret_Hyperkitty_API_Key > ``` > > PS: I haven't seen your responses to @Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>'s > questions quoted below: > ``` > Did the new post get archived? If so, why is last post at still July 25, > 2025? If no, why not. The post must go to the archiver to cause the > queue to be processed. > > If the post was archived and the July 25 messages are still queued, > what's in Mailman's mailman.log. There should be error messages and > tracebacks indicating the issue. > ``` > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 > In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. > "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) > [How to ask smart questions: > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > <https://urldefense.us/v3/__http://www.catb.org/*esr/faqs/smart-questions.ht…> > ] > -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

4 days, 8 hours

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 not starting afte an upgrade

by Gelpi Andrea

Il 23/07/20 23:05, Mark Sapiro ha scritto: > On 7/23/20 4:35 AM, Gelpi Andrea wrote: >> Hi, >> to day in a Debian system I upgraded some packages. >> >> After the MM3 doesn't start anymore. . . . >> Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: os.kill(pid, 0) >> Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: PermissionError: [Errno 1] >> Operation not permitted > > > I think you have a stale lock issue and the master is trying to > determine if the process that set it still exists. > > Remove Mailman's var/locks/master.lck* > Thanks Mark, now MM3 star but postorius is not working. The web pagge return: An error occurred while processing your request. I receive an email with: ... Exception Type: KeyError at /postorius/lists/ Exception Value: 'file' Request information: USER: AnonymousUser GET: No GET data POST: No POST data FILES: No FILES data COOKIES: No cookie data Is that related to Django id setting or there is a passphrase mismach some where? How can I check? -- Gelpi ing. Andrea ************************************************** I documenti vitali dimostreranno la loro vitalitˆ spostandosi spontaneamente da dove li avevate lasciati a dove non riuscirete a trovarli. **************************************************

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: File "/usr/lib/python2.7/httplib.py", line 1148, in getresponse raise ResponseNotReady()

by Alex Schuilenburg

On Fri, 2020-10-02 at 12:00 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > [...]There's much more detail in my reply at< > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/320#note_422894486>;, > butyou can fix the ResponseNotReady() issue from the sync_mailman job > byfinding the entries in the hyperkitty_sender table with > invalidaddresses in the address column and deleting them. As per comment https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/320#note_422958260 , it was not a simple delete, but an insert/update/delete > We can try to address this specific issue in hyperkitty_import, > butthere are in general various mbox defects that we can't detect. > mboxesneed to be checked for unescaped `From ` lines in message > bodies andother defects before importing them. The Mailman 2.1 > bin/cleanarchscript and the new hyperkitty/contrib/check_hk_import > script can helpwith some of this. I ran both on the original archive, cleanarch made no changes and check_hk_import just retported the number of messages. As it turns out, the message was imported, but with the dodgy email as sender which was fixed by the insert/update as per my comment. Hope you have some success with the redacted mbox example. Cheers -- Alex

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: problems installing mailman3 under gentoo and upgrading mailman2 to mailman3

by John Covici

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 14:46:55 -0500, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > On 3/13/21 11:14 AM, John Covici wrote: > > > > Now one thing came up while trying to create the database, I got a > > traceback complaining about a revision error because gentoo had a > > slightly different version (3.3.2) instead of 3.3.3 using pip. When I > > upgrade mailman, am I going to have to do something to the database as > > well and why should the database have some kind of reference to the > > mailman version? > > > I don't know why this is an issue. You shouldn't need to do anything > with the database when you upgrade. Please post the full traceback and > error message. Sorry I can't reproduce it, after dropping and recreating the database the error went away, but it was in alembic and it was talking about an invalid revision and gave a long hex string. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici(a)ccs.covici.com

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman-cli tools

by Abhilash Raj

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017, at 08:44 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 09/27/2017 08:26 AM, Dmitry Makovey wrote: > > On 09/27/2017 08:25 AM, Dmitry Makovey wrote: > >> I've come across mailman-cli docs: > >> > >> http://mailman-cli.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailmanclient/cli/docs/usin… > >> This is basically one of our GSoC projects which hasn't yet been merged with MailmanClient. It uses the REST API to to provide a command line client for Mailman, while there hasn't been any in-compatible changes in API since this project was finished, I am not sure about the current status of it. > >> yet I cannot figure out what's the official source for the installation. Official source for MailmanClient is at gitlab.com/mailman/mailmanclient and it doesn't have a CLI, the Github project you linked to says right on the top that it is not official project (Thanks for that Rajeev!). Also, I would say not to use this client to remotely access Mailman, the REST API is not meant to be exposed over internet (unless you have a VPN or other sort of setup to securely access the box remotely). -- Abhilash Raj maxking(a)asynchronous.in

7 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: 'utf-8' codec can't encode characters

by Gilles Filippini

Mark Sapiro a écrit le 15/06/2020 à 20:21 : > On 6/15/20 9:43 AM, Gilles Filippini wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm seeing the above error in mailman-core logs each time an email is >> processed. Is there something I missed in the configuration? I'm using >> dockerized mailman 0.3 from maxking. > > > I'm guessing you have one message in var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ that > is causing this issue. The message itself will probably have invalid > utf-8 encodings in a message part declared as charset=utf-8. > > Every time a new message is archived, HyperKitty reprocesses this > message and hits the error again. > > You can examine the message with `bin/mailman qfile`. It is a Python > pickle of a message object. There are 4 emails stored into this folder. 3 of them are spam, and the last one is a legitimate email. This is annoying that such emails could accumulate and stay into var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ forever, causing more and more hyperkitty errors. Any idea how to make their processing more error proof? Thanks, _g.

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Phantom Email Address in Nonmember List

by Steve Brown

Mark Sapiro wrote: > The senders are defined as addresses in the headers listed in > the configuration setting sender_headers, default = from, from_ > meaning envelope sender, reply-to and sender. See > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/config/schema.…> This was very useful in explaining why MM3 (3.3.9) accepted the problem post and attributed it to my address, even when seeing the bounce+ address as a different sender. Thank you for taking the time to reply. > Are you saying that the bounce+... address ends up as a nonmember of > the list you are sending to. I don't think that should happen. Yes, that is what is happening, but only for messages from the steve@stevebrown address. I can send a screenshot and a .txt of the headers (of the message after sent back to me from MM3 and long!) but didn't see a way to do that on the archive page. Do I need to post from my gmail address? One clue I hadn't spotted before was a bodyhash_mismatch warning in the headers. No idea where that came from. Doesn't appear in emails from me to other addresses. Steve

10 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Deleting moderation requests in database

by Joachim Schrod

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 12/2/24 6:40 PM, Joachim Schrod wrote: > > > > First: I assume that all information about moderation is in the > > database mailman3. If that's not the case, please tell me. > > > It is the case, but it's easier to use mailman shell. Something like > ``` > $ mailman shell -l test.example.com > Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell > Use commit() to commit changes. > Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. > Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. > The variable 'm' is the test.example.com mailing list > >>> pendingsdb = getUtility(IPendings) > >>> for token, data in pendingsdb.find(m): > ... if data.get('token_owner') == 'moderator': > ... if data['type'] == 'unsubscription': > ... pendingsdb.confirm(token, expunge=True) > ... > >>> commit() > ``` Thanks a lot, worked like a charm! Joachim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Joachim Schrod Email: joachim(a)schrod.org Roedermark, Germany ``How do we persuade new users that spreading fonts across the page like peanut butter across hot toast is not necessarily the route to typographic excellence?'' -- Peter Flynn

7 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Member Issue Discovered

by Brian Carpenter

On 10/23/20 1:04 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/23/20 9:37 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> How would a person already be a core user outside of a registration with >> Affinity? Via a list subscription or the import21 script? > > Yes, or even just by sending a post to a list as a nonmember. > > Everyone who is or has been a member, non-member, owner or moderator of > a list has a user and one or more address records in Mailman core. And those records are kept in the database? Is that correct? >> I do want to apologize for my tone Mark. I was wrong in the way I communicated. > > Apology accepted. I understand that it can be frustrating to be > dependent on something you don't control and that this can sometimes > lead to "anomalous" behavior. > > Here's a take on this that is intended to be humorous, but is actually > quite frightening. https://xkcd.com/2347/ I actually came across that cartoon months ago and that one person reminded me of you. So the fact that you are sharing that cartoon is ironic and very funny! -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Extracting mailing list users

by Eggert Ehmke

Am Montag, 2. Januar 2023, 02:40:58 CET schrieb Mark Sapiro: > Understood, but there are a couple of things at work here. One is that > this particular task is a one-off the correct the result of a bug, but > perhaps more significantly, mailman developers (at least me) are > comfortable with `withlist` (it's been around since MM 2.1) and if I can > do it that way, it reduces the motivation to make something more > friendly for the normal admin. Unfortunately doing things easily that > way requires a lot of specialized knowledge of Mailman internals, so > most admins need help with it. Mark, I completely understand your situation as a core developer with limited time and lots of requests from all directions. Being a Python programmer myself, I would be happy with a consistent documentation of the relevant Python classes to be able to develop own applications. The isolated code snippets in the mm3 documentation are not too helpful. Such a documentation would possibly remove some of the workload you feel by constantly answering admin questions.´ When you look at the documentation of the Qt library you know what I mean. Thank you again for this great project! Cheers, Eggert

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Confirm and Moderate Unsubscribe Requests

by Brian Carpenter

On 10/21/20 1:14 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/21/20 8:53 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> If you set the unsubscription policy to confirm then moderate for a list >> and someone unsubscribes, they receive a confirmation request. That is >> good. They respond to it. That is also working fine. However the list >> owner/moderator than gets a request to approve the unsubscribe request >> and well, unless I am missing something, I don't see an interface to >> handles such requests via Postorius. > > This is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/332>. > > >> How does one handle an unsubscribe request that requires moderator >> approval? > > I'm not sure at this point, I can look further later, but if the notice > to the admin has a token, it might work to send a `confirm <token>` > command to the list-request address. > > Otherwise, don't moderate unsubscription requests. Well I can't dictate that to my list owners and there is no confirm token sent with the moderation notice. Why include this option in Postorius when it can't be properly handled? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Apache+mod_wsgi issue

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sun, Dec 25, 2022 at 3:47 PM Stephen J. Turnbull < stephenjturnbull(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Mark Sapiro writes: > > > You don't need all of those. ^postorius/ and ^mailman3/ are two > > different ways to access Postorius, and ^hyperkitty/ and ^archives/ are > > two different ways to access HypereKitty. You only need one of each, > > That's true from "outside", but there are internal links as well. For > example, in Postorius top page, the link to HyperKitty is .../archives. > I guess it's a good idea to grep the templates to see which URLS are > used. > > > > Now my question is about what could be adding the /mailman3. Is it > possible > > > that I installed something out of the ordinary? > > Besides mod_wsgi as Mark suggests and the uwsgi configuration, the > only thing I can think of is an Apache rewrite rule. It's not in the > Postorius and HyperKitty templates. > And I do not have any rewrite rules in my VHOST config: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/9MRMJST9zZ/ -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Remove ALL Members button - was: Re: Setting base_url for the domain to use it in the templates.

by Odhiambo Washington

On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 6:28 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 7/10/24 10:46 PM, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > > > > I find the unsubscribe_all button quite scary! I have never used it > though, > > so I am not quite sure about its behavior. What scares me > > is the possibility of clicking it and then in one fell swoop you've > removed > > ALL the members without a "confirmation". > > See the thread at > > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… > and the issue at https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/545. > > Bottom line - there is a confirmation. Try it, perhaps on a test list if > you're really scared. > Will do that test :) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Installation Questions [Installation}

by Gerald Vogt

Hi, On 04.11.24 02:06, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/3/24 11:31, Arte Chambers via Mailman-users wrote: > We should probably cover this in the docs, but for /etc/mailman3, you > should do > ``` > sudo mkdir /etc/mailman3 > sudo chown mailman:mailman /etc/mailman3 > sudo chmod 755 /etc/mailman3 > ``` > Then you can create all the subordinate files as the mailman user. For > other things like the systemd service and the postfix and web server > configs, you need to do them as root (via sudo). is it really necessary that the mailman user can write that directory? For most services, directories and files in /etc/ may be readable for the service but usually not writable as you don't want the service itself change it's core configuration. On your server it looks like this: # ls -la /etc/mailman3 total 28 drwxr-xr-x. 2 root mailman 95 Oct 25 08:12 . drwxr-xr-x. 99 root root 8192 Oct 29 07:42 .. -rw-r--r--. 1 root mailman 266 Oct 25 07:37 gunicorn.conf -rw-r-----. 1 root mailman 92 Nov 21 2023 mailman-hyperkitty.cfg -rw-r-----. 1 root mailman 797 Sep 9 11:20 mailman.cfg -rw-r-----. 1 root mailman 3015 Oct 25 08:12 settings.py and it works just fine. Regards, Gerald

8 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty CPU usage

by Alain Kohli

I have run "python manage.py rebuild_index" before, doesn't that do clear_index as well? Apart from that, I run hyperkitty in a docker container and didn't know fulltext_index should be persistent, so that got deleted after every version update for sure. On 4/26/19 10:18 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 4/26/19 11:14 AM, Alain Kohli wrote: >> I see loads of "A string literal cannot contain NUL (0x00) characters." >> messages, but I haven't found missing messages in the archives yet. Not >> sure how that could be related, though. Apart from that I don't see >> anything unusual. The other jobs (quarter_hourly, hourly, etc.) seem to >> run and finish normally. > > Did you upgrade from a Python 2.7 version of HyperKitty to a Python 3 > version? The Haystack/Whoosh search engine databases are not compatible > between the two and "A string literal cannot contain NUL (0x00) > characters." is the symptom. > > You need to run 'python manage.py clear_index' or just remove all the > files from the directory defined as 'PATH' under HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS in > your settings file (normally 'fulltext_index' in the same directory that > contains your settings.py. >

6 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hipperkitty failing to archive messages in a list

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

On 6/1/22 19:19, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 1/6/22 4:25 AM, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: >> >> In the last part of your suggestions you wrote: >> >> "I suggest you do >> >> pip install --upgrade hyperkitty mailman-hyperkitty >> >> and ensure it installs hyperkitty 1.3.5 and mailman-hyperkitty 1.2.0" >> >> But this is exactly what made me fall in this mess: > > > Sorry, I was confused. I thought the error message you were seeing was > changed before HyperKitty 1.3.5 was released, but that isn't correct. > > The problem is probably in Apache. See the last 2 posts in the thread > at > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… > I'll try tomorrow, now I'm a bit slow-head after a hard day (and the collateral effects of the third vaccine). It looks the right way (I have apache running in that server) to solve it. What intrigues me is the fact that I didn't change anything in the apache config or update apache itself. Well, tomorrow will be antoher day. Thanks for the point.

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Held for notification - runner exception: 'ascii' codec can't encode character

by Seth Seeger

> On Jan 2, 2022, at 3:47 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > Thanks for sending me the shunted .pck. It turns out I didn't need it. Had I looked more closely at the Traceback, I would have realized that the issue is that the list's list:admin:action:post template contains non-ascii. In particular, the character in position 5 is ’ which is a unicode right_single_quote, not an ascii apostrophe. > > There may be other unicode fancy quotes ad well. > > You can fix the template to contain only ascii or you can set the character set for English to utf-8 by adding > ``` > [language.en] > charset: utf-8 > ``` > to mailman.cfg. The downside of the latter is that outgoing message bodies will always be base64 encoded which generally precludes grepping mailboxes to find things. Ah hah! Right you are. I removed the offending fancy apostrophe. What about that traceback pointed to the template? (Is it something I could have figured out?) Is it possible to filter out UTF-8 chars from the templates when they are saved in Postorius? Thanks again, Seth

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 Docker

by Odhiambo Washington

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019, 20:34 Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in wrote: > On Tue, Jan 8, 2019, at 5:52 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 03:29, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > > > On 1/7/19 1:18 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 at 23:39, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Please help me understand what steps are missing and I will try to > > > >> provide the information. > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay. > > > > > > > > At the installation stage, you say the following: > > > > "I already had some things set up in /opt/mailman including a git > > > > subdirectory containing clones of the GitLab mailman, mailmanclient, > > > > mailman-hyperkitty, hyperkitty, django-mailman3 and > > > > postorius projects. On the third server I have added mailman-suite > > > > because I use the settings.py from that project as the basis for > mine." > > > > > > > > Please assume that the reader is a newbie to python3 virtualenv and > give > > > the > > > > details of the commands they need to execute to (a) clone all the > > > projects > > > > needed > > > > and (b) create the virtualenv. > > > > > > > > The next steps are: > > > > mkdir /opt/mailman/mm > > > > > > > > Then you say "I then created a /opt/mailman/mm directory and within > that > > > a > > > > Python 3.6 virtualenv" > > > > What happens here is something that needs clarification, because you > are > > > > specific about "python3.6". > > > > I have googled and realized that one has to be specific about the > python > > > > version they want to use in their virtualenv > > > > as shown here -> > > > > > > > > https://stackoverflow.com/questions/45293436/how-to-specify-python-version-… > > > > > > > > exact command to execute to create the /opt/mailman/mm/venv > > > > exact command to execute to activate virtualenv > > > > > > > > > I have added a comment to the page which I hope gives you what you > want. > > > > > > I also added a section on templates instead of referring to a prior > > > version of the page. > > > > > > > That makes it better. > > However, as a newbie, something is not yet clear: > > > > "When active in a particular shell, it can be deactivated with the > command > > > > deactivate > > or by exiting that shell." > > > > HI am trying to understand the effect of detaching from a venv. I am > > assuming that a virtualenv is a container that is supposed to be always > > active for the services within to be accessible. Is that right? So, how > do > > I ensure it's always running/up, or that does not matter as the scripts > > which run the services will always refer to the files? > > virtualenv is not actually a container that is supposed to be active. It > is merely a set of settings that are applied to your SHELL when you are > in the virtual environment. > > It is not supposed to be always active, only when you actually want to > run commands in that virtual environment. The services will keep on > running after you deactivate your shell and would function like other > normal services on your machine. > > -- > thanks, > Abhilash Raj (maxking) > Thank you for clarifying. So once I have a venv created, the services will just run as long as the startup scripts are running even when I'm logged out of the system? >

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Avoiding non-members to be saved.

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

On 7/8/21 20:03, Mark Sapiro wrote: > This is the way MM 3 works. The only reason *_these_nonmembers exists > in MM 3 is to support the legacy regexps from MM 2.1. For non-regexp > addresses the address is a nonmember with the appropriate moderation > action. > > I actually find this convenient. When a nonmember posts spam to a list > and that spam is held, I discard the spam in Postorius and at the same > time set the nonmember's moderation action to discard so I never see > any more from that address. Also, when someone who I recognize as a > list member posts from an alternate nonmember address, I can accept > that post and set the nonmember address moderation action to default > processing. > I find it very convenient too, but it concerns me that spammers, really "profesional" spammers and senders of phising mail change the forged address and sender domain too rapidly to track them. As of it, the non-member database is growing more and more. It could be a "monster" in two or three years... Not a problem now. And I know now how to delete them in one go :) --

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Fresh installation mailman3-suite via "pipx" - any experiences yet?

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > But postorius and hyperkitty are dependencies of mailmanweb so only Are they? I'm pretty sure that in my current project which has a pre-existing archiver they wish to keep using I only installed postorius, not hyperkitty. ... oops, HyperKitty *is* there. OK, need to uninstall that. That's actually a bit annoying, since mailmanweb is a friendlier interface for control of either of HyperKitty and Postorius than the underlying Django utilities even if you don't want the other and its unique dependencies (such as Whoosh). (Issue #32 created) OK, so your two-venv approach should actually work. I still don't think it's much of a win since to finish setup you still have to do a lot of work as root and a lot of work outside of pipx's control. Basically it saves one "python3 -m venv", at the cost of "pipx run" to run each program in its own venv. Note, it doesn't save me any venv activationss because I put that in the mailman user's shell .rc. Wikinaut asks: > Has anyone tried that already? Why not you? Steve

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hiding an ML from a site

by Odhiambo Washington

On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 9:45 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On February 6, 2024 7:45:14 AM PST, Odhiambo Washington > <odhiambo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >I had this set to True in settings_local.py, but False in settings.py. > >So it seems to not make a difference in my setup. > > In a standard setup, anything set in settings_local.py overrides any > corresponding setting in settings.py. > > That said, FILTER_VHOSTS is not perfect. It only works for Postorius if > the separate web hosts also have different mail hosts. See lines 1051 et > seq at > < > https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/blob/master/src/postorius/views/list… > > > What should I do then? Edit some file? Apply some patch? It's pretty easy for me to create a DNS record for the same server (IP) for use with the web host that I'd like to hide. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Handling of SPAM mails in mailman3 - Check for X-Spam Header

by Torge Riedel

Am 16.01.20 um 21:43 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 1/16/20 10:51 AM, Torge Riedel wrote: >> Such SPAM mails are currently hold for moderation with reason "not from >> a list member". Is there no check for the "X-Spam: Yes" header or is >> this check done later? > > If you set a Header Filter (in Postorius the Header filters tab) those > checks are done before non-member moderation. > > This won't work for posts from members because the header checks are > done between member moderation checks and non-member moderation checks, > but if you create a Header Filter for header 'x-spam' and pattern 'yes' > with action hold, a message from a non-member which has an X-Spam: Yes > header should be held for that reason. > > Hi Mark, thank you for your answer. Just to understand that right: In case a posting with an "X-Spam: Yes" header comes from a member, it will not be held? It will be directly forwarded to the list? If yes, is there any chance to change or extend this? Best regards Torge

5 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: postfix malformed address with confirm replies

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 2/27/21 4:36 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > is legal, and I think that most servers will accept it, but RFC > > 5321 sets a limit of 64 octets on mailboxes[1], and your > > confirmation mailbox is 67 octets. > > Since the -confirm+<token> part is fixed at 49 octets, this would imply > a limit in list names of 15 octets. Ouch! I'm pretty sure we would have run into this before, if there were a lot of servers out there imposing this limit. 15 octets is pretty darn short, there are probably quite a few list names out there longer than that. Not to mention that the RFC itself says "you SHOULD NOT be a jerk about this". :-) So I don't think this is a big problem in practice, and I hope Steve can reconfigure the obstructive server to not be so picky. For Mailman, I doubt we need a full SHA1 (?) for the purpose. We can truncate the thing, probably opportunistically (ie, so the whole confirmation mailbox fits in 64 octets, or we could even parse the bounce message and resend only if we run into a problem). Steve

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: External MTA incoming mail: configuration

by Odhiambo Washington

On Fri, Aug 2, 2024 at 6:44 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 8/2/24 08:12, Roland Giesler via Mailman-users wrote: > > > > It seems though that since I'm not running a local MTA, when then mail > > arrives at the mailman3 server, there's nothing that can process it. So > > should I run postfix in it's most basic setup to allow mail to be > > received or what is the best way to deal with it? Mailman3 has to > > receive mail like signup confirmations, etc after all, not? > > If you use transport_maps on the remote MTA to relay the list mail to > port 8024 on the Mailman server, Mailman's LMTP runner will receive the > mail and you don't need a local MTA. > Nice one! I'd love to know how this config is done in Postfix. Heading to ask Uncle G. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Auth question

by Simon Hanna

On March 31, 2017 6:34:18 PM GMT+02:00, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >On 03/31/2017 01:06 AM, David Krantz wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Simon Hanna ><simon.hanna(a)serve-me.info> wrote: >>> On 03/31/2017 08:10 AM, David Krantz wrote: >>>> I think that would correspond to this line in urls.py >>>> >>>> url(r'^$', >RedirectView.as_view(url=reverse_lazy('hyperkitty.views.index.index'))), >>> Yes, that's the culprit. Replace it with the following: >>> >>> url(r'^$', RedirectView.as_view(url=reverse_lazy('hk_root'))), >>> You can also update whatever guide you were using... >> >> Great, will try that! I don't know whether I can update the guide. >> It's the one referenced earlier in this thread named something like >> setup experience of mailman 3 in production. > > >Yes, that comes from >"https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience", >specifically the attachment urls.py. > >The interesting thing is that works for me both at ><https://lists.mailman3.org/> and <https://mail.python.org/mm3/>. Are you using the latest version of django? -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

8 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: lmtp runner not starting

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

El 1/4/23 a las 20:44, Mark Sapiro escribió: > ... > lmtp runner did not start because at some point it had died and > restarting Mailman won't restart a runner that died and was marked to > not restart. > > You need to stop Mailman and make sure when mailman is stopped that > there are no files in mailman's var/locks/ directory (remove any that > are there) and then start Mailman and lmtp runner should start. > I stopped mailman and removed all that was in there (there were many locked registers). Restarted mailman, and it shows the same error that in my previous mail. Now there is two new locked files, one (master.lck) which its content is the name of the other file. And the second one has the same content: master.lck|www.proteccion-civil.eu|9389|7022761192045613065 will try deleting the content of var/locks and restarting the server > As to why it died in the first place, there should be something in > mailman.log from the time it died. > -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Welcome message template errors

by Mark

On 2024-04-23 11:33, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 4/22/24 17:06, Mark wrote: >> >> There was no line POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL in >> /etc/mailman3/settings.py > So presumably you were getting the default > > POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://localhost:8000' > > from mailman-web/settings/mailman.py because of > from mailman_web.settings.mailman import * > in your settings.py. Yes. # Mailman Web configuration file. # /etc/mailman3/settings.py # Get the default settings. from mailman_web.settings.base import * from mailman_web.settings.mailman import * ... > >> Then, as site-owner, creating a new custom Welcome template (again via >> the WebUI) I can see it correctly added to the database in >> mailman.template.uri >> >> - >> https://lists.mydomain.com/mailman3/api/templates/list/lists.mydomain.com/l… That URI should have been; https://lists.mydomain.com/mailman3/api/templates/list/mytestlist.lists.myd… If I go to the above URL, the text of the list's Custom welcome message displays on an otherwise empty webpage. > > > And what happens if you go to that URL in a web browser? Also what do > you get when going to https://lists.mydomain.com/mailman3? I get the Postorius page "Mailing Lists" that displays the table of lists.

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 Docker

by Odhiambo Washington

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 00:16, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 1/8/19 10:03 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > Thank you for clarifying. > > So once I have a venv created, the services will just run as long as the > > startup scripts are running even when I'm logged out of the system? > > > As long as the startup scripts actually reference things in the venv. > > If you look at the samples in the Recommended Configuration section at > <https://wiki.list.org/x/17891998> for > > /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin (sample) Script to run Django > management commands. > > /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman (sample) Script to run mailman commands. > > and > > /opt/mailman/mm/bin/gunicorn (sample) Script to start Gunicorn. > > You will see they all do things like activate the venv or run a command > from venv/bin. > > > Now that has clarified the matter for me. That even when I am logged out, the scripts do the neccessary to activate the venv to run things. I hadn't looked at the scripts at all. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-)

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: LTMP to Postfix problem

by Brian Carpenter

On 6/18/20 4:09 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Do you have > > lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 > lmtp_port: 8024 > > in the [mta] section of mailman.cfg? (these are the defaults) > > $ /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman conf|grep lmtp > [mta] lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 > [mta] lmtp_port: 8024 I do > Is Mailman's lmtp runner listening on port 8024? > > $ sudo netstat -lntp|grep python > tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:8024 0.0.0.0:* > LISTEN 1867/python > tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:8000 0.0.0.0:* > LISTEN 1199/python > tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:8001 0.0.0.0:* > LISTEN 1871/python It is. > > Is there some firewall issue blocking access to the port even from > localhost? Let me describe the problem a little better. Mail delivery from postfix to mailman works most of the time. However in the past week or so, lmtp starts refusing connections via postfix about once a day. I have port 8024 open in the firewall (UFW). There are no errors in the smtp.log file. I think restarting Mailman core seems to get things running again. -- Please let me know if you need further assistance. Thank you for your business. We appreciate our clients. Brian Carpenter EMWD.com -- EMWD's Knowledgebase: https://clientarea.emwd.com/index.php/knowledgebase EMWD's Community Forums http://discourse.emwd.com/

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Django-allauth compatibility (ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD and ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED)

by Jan Eden

On 2025-06-16 17:29, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 6/16/25 15:26, Eggert Ehmke via Mailman-users wrote: > > I have django-allauth 65.9.0 and still the same problem. mailman-web runjobs minutely throws it each minute, which is annoying. > > Do you have > ``` > ACCOUNT_LOGIN_METHODS = {'email', 'username'} > ACCOUNT_SIGNUP_FIELDS = ['email*', 'username*', 'password1*', 'password2*'] > ``` > in your django settings? > > What releases of HyperKitty, Postorius and Django-Mailman3 are you running? > Current releases do not have any minutely jobs. I did have the same issue about a month ago[1] with the current versions of the above components, and these are the cronjobs I installed according to the docs[2]: @daily /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman digests --periodic @daily /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman notify * * * * * /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs minutely 0,15,30,45 * * * * /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs quarter_hourly @hourly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs hourly @daily /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs daily @weekly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs weekly @monthly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs monthly @yearly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs yearly - Jan [1] https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… [2] https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#cron-jobs-for-m…

1 month, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty messages stuck in spool

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 11/18/21 6:38 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: > > > > Ok thanks for this. Its happening because the Gunicorn process > > running the Django server is being killed due to OOM > > conditions. Is there any settings I can change to > > troubleshoot/throttle this in Gunicorn or Django? > > I don't think there's anything that can be done in gunicorn or django > about this. This is an OS issue. You need to give the server more memory > or allocate a (bigger) swap file. If those things are difficult, depending on OS and the hardware, it may also be possible to tell the OS that gunicorn is an import process that should not be killed. But in the long run, the server needs more memory. In theory there could be a memory leak in Python or one of the Mailman apps, but I haven't heard of it. And at least the Linux kernel seems to be perfectly happy to kill random processes that are well-behaved. So the fact gunicorn is getting killed is not strong evidence that it's causing the memory pressure, we'd really need to see the stats. Steve

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users]Re: mailman 2 vs. mailman 3: what happened to multipart/digest?

by John Hein

Mark Sapiro wrote at 19:18 -0700 on May 12, 2016: > On 5/12/16 3:46 PM, John wrote: > > But mm 2 had: > > > > multipart/mixed > > text/plain (the digest heading) > > text/plain (the TOC) > > multipart/digest <--- this is the part that's gone in mm3 > > message/rfc822 > > message-1 > > message/rfc822 > > message-2 > > ... > > text/plain (footer) > > > > So was that removal intentional, a bug or ?? > > > I'm sorry. I missed the point of your OP. I think it's a bug. > > The doctest at > <http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/release-3.0/src/mailman/runners/docs/diges…>, > the part just after "The MIME digest has lots of good stuff, all > contained in the multipart." is clearly missing the multipart/digest part. > > It appears that this got lost in the refactoring of the MM2 code for > MM3. Please file an issue at > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/new>. You can assign it to me > (msapiro), but it any case, I'll work on fixing it. https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/234 Thanks.

9 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Docker, Mailman 3, templates and list user accounts

by Henrik Rasmussen

I used Docker to installed Mailman 3. The top header of the web interface says "Example.Com" while linking to the correct site URL (I believe coming from SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN). In a post[1], Mark Sapiro referred to the template system in Mailman 3 by pointing out that "a custom template can be put in var/templates/site/en/welcome.txt or var/templates/domains/example.com/en/welcome.txt<http://var/templates/domains/example.com/en/welcome.txt> or var/templates/lists/listname.example.com/en/welcome.txt<http://var/templates/lists/listname.example.com/en/welcome.txt> where var is Mailman's configured var_dir". I believe this refers to the mail templates. 1) Where do I change the similar template system, for the web interface, without breaking a laver upgrade? 2) How do I change the site name in the top of the web interface on Mailman 3 to my subside and ? [1] https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… The Mailman command in Mailman Core doesn't seem to have a command for listing the accounts users have created by using Sign up in the web interface, so I believe that accounts may be created in the webinterface. Is there similar commands for the web interface like the mailman commands for the Mailman core? Regards, Henrik Rasmussen

7 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: bounces with empty message-id

by Peter Münster

On Tue, Jan 30 2018, Mark Sapiro wrote: > The underlying issue is the orange.fr domain is sending DSNs without a > Message-ID: header. Yes. Is a Message-ID header required in a DSN by any RFC? > If you used VERP (i.e. set verp_delivery_interval = 1 in the [mta] > section of your config), this log message I have verp_delivery_interval = 10 ... > would contain to=<test-bounces+user=example.com(a)my-domain.org> and you > could identify the bouncing address (user(a)example.com in this case) that > way. Yes, that's my intention, but first of all, mailman must receive the DSN. > Beyond that, there are still other issues, the biggest of which is > currently, Mailman is not processing bounces other than storing them in > the database. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/343>. Shouldn't the DSNs be forwarded to the owner of the list? > if a recipient MTA can't create a DSN that has a Message-ID:, would > you trust what else it does? I don't know. The question for me is: does the remote MTA needs a fix (i.e. the Message-ID is required by some RFC), or mailman (i.e. a DSN without Message-ID should be acceptable)? -- Peter

7 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Log rotation

by Abhilash Raj

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, at 4:12 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 04/10/2018 03:04 PM, Darren Smith wrote: > > > > 1) Has anyone come up with a good log rotation strategy that doesn't > > necessitate a restart of the service? > > I think Abhilash has answered this, but for completeness, here's what I > use on lists.mailman3.org which uses nginx and gunicorn > > Mailman's logs > > /opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/var/logs/*.log { > missingok > sharedscripts > su mailman mailman > postrotate > /opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/bin/mailman reopen &>/dev/null || true > if [ -r /opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/var/gunicorn.pid ]; then > PID=`cat /opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/var/gunicorn.pid` > kill -s USR1 $PID > fi > endscript > } > > mailman-web log > > /var/log/mailman-web/*.log { > missingok > notifempty > delaycompress > su mailman mailman > } > > > And here's mail.python.org with apache and mod_wsgi > > Mailman's logs > > /opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/var/logs/*.log { > missingok > sharedscripts > su mailman mailman > postrotate > /opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/bin/mailman reopen &>/dev/null || true Oh, I didn't know about the "mailman reopen" command, thanks Mark! -- Abhilash Raj maxking(a)asynchronous.in

7 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Internal Server Error, Need 2 values to unpack in for loop; got 1

by Elias Rudberg

Hello again, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I'm not certain, but I think it's a Django issue > rather than a Mailman issue. I got a reply about this in the Django forum at https://forum.djangoproject.com/t/getting-error-need-2-values-to-unpack-in-… Quoting from that forum post: "This is not a bug in Django. This would be functioning in the manner that Django is designed and documented at [link]" "The error here is trying to use a reference in a template without having the view ensure that the context being passed is correct." "Both the template and the view should be corrected here. The view should ensure the right data is put into the context, probably under a different name, and the template should render that data from that name." (end of quote from Django forum) So they think it is not a bug in Django. Does it make sense, that "the template and the view should be corrected" as suggested there? (The template in question would be pagination.html but I'm not sure exactly how it should be corrected.) / Elias

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: How to remove global ban using API?

by Nathan Dixon

For those who are interested. To be able to use global_bans = IBanManager(None) and not get the following error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>TypeError: ('Could not adapt', None, <InterfaceClass mailman.interfaces.bans.IBanManager>) You need to use: mailman shell Not a standard python3 session. To actually update the global bans not via the API, which has some limitations at the moment (see the issue on Gitlab), I have done the following workaround (later I will put in checks for an existing ban to do an update instead, or a delete then create of the new ban): 1) I create a python script within the docker container within the existing PYTHONPATH that will be the module that runs when I want to create or update my ban (in this case under /usr/bin/) #!/bin/env python def create_valid_domains_ban(valid_domains_regex): from mailman.interfaces.bans import IBanManager global_bans = IBanManager(None) global_bans.ban(valid_domains_regex) print(list(global_bans.bans)[0].email) 2) I can then invoke this as a mailman module from the server using docker exec mailman-core mailman shell -r create_valid_domains_ban $valid_domains_regex On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 21:21, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 5/15/19 9:46 AM, Nathan Dixon wrote: > > > > I can create the ban fine by the following: > > > > from mailmanclient import Client > > client = Client(URI,apiuser,apipass) > > > client.bans.add("^(?!.*[(a)\.](validdomain1\.com|validdomain2\.org|validdomain3\.co\.uk)") > > > This is apparently a typo - missing ')' - in the re as you have it > correct below. > > > > However, I cannot seem to be able to remove it using the api: > >>>> client.bans[0].delete() > ... > >>>> client.bans.remove(str(client.bans[0])) > ... > >>>> > > > client.bans.remove("^(?!.*[(a)\.](validdomain1\.com|validdomain2\.org|validdomain3\.co\.uk))") > > > All of the above work for me with both API 3.0 and 3.1 in a non-docker > install of the current GitLab HEADs > > > > And also, when I now try and go into the mailman-core docker image to use > > the mailman.interfaces.bans, it will not let me see the global bans: > > > >>>> from mailman.interfaces.bans import IBanManager > >>>> global_bans = IBanManager(None) > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> > > TypeError: ('Could not adapt', None, <InterfaceClass > > mailman.interfaces.bans.IBanManager>) > > > I don't see this either. > > > > I have opened an issue in Gitlab for this as I feel it may be a bug > related > > to regex and global bans (there was a similar one for list banned > > addresses): https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/598 > > > I also commented on the GitLab issue. I think this must be an issue with > the docker images. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- *Nathan Dixon* MEng Senior Software Architect m: +44 (0)7402 690311 t: +44 (0)20 81231252 e: nathan.dixon(a)evadon.com w: www.evadon.com This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal, professional or other privilege. If you are not the intended recipient you should not store it, copy it, re-transmit it, use it or disclose its contents, but should return it to the sender immediately and delete your copy from your system. The views expressed are those of the sender and not necessarily those of Evadon. Please note that whilst we scan all e-mails for viruses we cannot guarantee that any e-mail is virus-free. Please be advised that we expressly reserve the right to monitor email content for the purposes of ensuring compliance with legal requirements and company policies and your sending to, or receiving from, us of any email constitutes your agreement to these terms. Evadon Dynamics Limited, registered in England No. 09494097. Registered Office: Electric Works, Sheffield Digital Campus, 3 Concourse Way, Sheffield, S1 2BJ

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty won't list more than 5 posts and shows empty grey Activity Summary box

by Barry Warsaw

On Aug 9, 2017, at 15:45, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > However, the sending of periodic digests depends on cron running > something periodically to actually trigger the sending. Right. There will eventually be additional recurring tasks for Core too though, such as processing the bounce database for disables and unsubs, pulling messages from NNTP, and possibly others as time goes on. I’ve always thought about handling these as commands that cron would run, much as in Mailman 2, but it would also be possible to implement a runner, or runners, to do those jobs. I can see advantages and disadvantages with either approach. > Note: I've just looked at the code and there seems to be an issue with > using 'mailman digests --send' to send the periodic digests. It appears > that if a list's digest mbox has any messages, 'mailman digests --send' > will send a digest even if digest_send_periodic is false. I've just > reported <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/384> for this issue. Yep, thanks for the bug report. `mailman digests —periodic` seems like the right approach. Cheers, -Barry

7 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty Error Curiosity

by Brian Carpenter

On 11/11/20 7:40 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/11/20 4:18 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> Some sort of auto-discard procedure after a number of retries? Is it >> possible to detect a message with a null characters and automatically >> discard them? Do such messages make it into the thread table? > > The message has been delivered to the list, but it is not archived. The > list post has an Archived-At: header with a URL, but the message isn't > there at all. The only way to get it archived is to correct the message > defect. Does the problematic message (null character) make it to the hyperkitty_thread table? > Thus, I don't think it's good to just discard the message at that point. > I'm fine with moving out of or not queueing it in the first place in > var/archives/hyperkitty/spool, but I think it should be preserved > somewhere, say in var/archives/hyperkitty/bad, and along with that, some > kind of notice sent to the site admin so bad messages don't just > accumulate without being seen. > Can a message with a null character be repaired with an automatic process? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Issues encountered while upgrading to 3.3.7

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 8:54 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/5/22 02:37, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > Here again, Google-fu came to the rescue. I added the following line to > > settings_local.py and the warnings were suppressed. > > DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD = 'django.db.models.AutoField' > > I need to understand how this affects everything and how this is likely > to > > impact the functionality of MM3. What is the proper solution for this? > > And should it be django.db.models.BigAutoField or > > django.db.models.AutoField? Which is which? > > > Prior to Django 3.2 Django set default primary keys to 32 bit integers. > In 3.2 Django introduced the possibility to set default primary keys to > 64 bit integers by setting the type to django.db.models.BigAutoField. > > Thus, putting > ``` > DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD = 'django.db.models.AutoField' > ``` > in your settings will maintain compatibility with pre 3.2 versions and > existing tables and this is the correct thing to do. > Thank you very much for the clarification. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty fulltext search performances

by Mark Dadgar

On Oct 4, 2020, at 8:13 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 10/4/20 8:07 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> >> On 10/4/20 8:59 AM, Loïc Dachary wrote: >>> After a little digging it turns out the mailman3-web Debian GNU/Linux >>> package I'm using is configured to use Woosh as a haystack backend. >>> And it is not fit for volumes greater than a few hundred mega bytes. I >>> should switch to something else from the list of supported >>> backendshttps://django-haystack.readthedocs.io/en/master/backend_support.html >>> >> For our servers running Postorius/Hyperkitty, we use Xapian. I believe >> the mailman-users (MM3) list also uses Xapian. It is a lot quicker. For >> our Affinity/Empathy servers, we use Elasticsearch which we are very >> happy with. Elasticsearch does have a higher memory requirement I >> believe than Xapian. > > > Brian is correct about this list. We started with Whoosh, then went to > Elasticsearch and ultimately to Xapian. Each step gave better > performance and a smaller footprint than the one before. +1 I have ~700K posts in my archive and Xapian is FAST. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: If you delete a list but not the HyperKitty archive

by Philip Colmer

On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 at 18:34, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 1/4/22 6:45 AM, Philip Colmer wrote: > > > > So ... should the archive be deleted when the list is deleted and it is a > > bug that it isn't? Or is it expected that access to the archive is > "frozen" > > once a list is deleted? > > > It is often desired to have a public archive available after the > corresponding list has been deleted. Even for a private archive, it may > be desirable for site admins to have access. Furthermore, a list might > not even have a HyperKitty archive in the first place. Thus, what to do > about a HyperKitty archive (or prototype archive or ...) when a list is > deleted is an administrative decision and is best left up to the site > admins to do it or not. > > As you note with a private archive, former members no longer have access > when the list is gone, but unless an attempt throws some uncaught > exception, that is not a bug. > Thanks, Mark, for the clarification. Regards Philip

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: API timeout for one list

by Seth Seeger

> On Sep 22, 2020, at 4:30 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 9/22/20 12:45 PM, Seth Seeger wrote: >> I apologize, because I think this was talked about before, but I could not find it in the archives. >> >> For one list, the REST API times out. Doesn’t seem to matter which page I try to go to. The uwsgi-error.log entry: >> > ... >> The other lists work fine. > > This can happen on lists with lots of members. > > Try increasing the timeout. See <https://wiki.list.org/x/17892072> Thank you - that did solve my timeout problem. However, each page for this list takes between 40 and 80 seconds to load. The list has 465 members, and it’s running (via Docker) on a 2 core, 4 GB RAM Linode VM. I’ve watch htop during the load - one CPU is around 20%, and the other hovers around 80%, mostly with the process “runner”. Is there a way to optimize this list? There are no held messages, no subscription requests, no templates. The next biggest list has 438 members, and all those pages load very quickly (0-2 seconds). I can’t figure out what the difference between the two lists. Thanks, Seth

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 not able to deliver emails sent through list, but moderation notifications

by Ruth Ivimey-Cook

See after: On 26/11/2022 18:18, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I found this article stating the the SMTP error message >> might be misleading: >> https://blog.tfiu.de/mailman3-cannot-connect-to-smtp-server-localhost-on-po… >> >> >> How to further debug this? >> What could be wrong with my Mailman3 instance and how to fix it? > > The article is relevant and mentions the most likely issue which is > lack of permission on one or more message templates. > > Everything in Mailman's var/ directory should be owned by Mailman's > user:group - normally `list:list` in Debian packages. While this is always true for mailman-core, in some configurations the mailman-web files are also inside the ./var/ tree, and they need to be readable (and, for some, writable) by the process acting as webserver, which may or may not be list:list. In my case (a bit off-piste) I have set mailman-web it up to run as owner=www-data, for example (I forget quite why this was needed now!!). Regards Ruth -- Tel: 01223 414180 Blog: http://www.ivimey.org/blog LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ruthivimeycook/

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: django-allauth failures, but only for some users (independent of browser?)

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/6/23 14:49, Jered Floyd wrote: > > The difference in behavior was using social login buttons for an existing account vs. creating a new account. > > This is another damn django-allauth regression, starting in 0.57.0. It seem to be this commit that is to blame: > https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/commit/be779dfee5a328a3a42edc2c9… > > In allauth/socialaccount/models.py:lookup(self):285 there is an attempt to look up the social account as one that already exists. If that fails, this commit calls self.account.get_provider() without passing the request object, which leads to the eventual error. > > I believe this is a django-allauth bug, and have submitted a pull request to fix it here: > https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/pull/3548 Thanks for all your work on this. It is much appreciated. However, your patch doesn't fix my issue with the URL https://example.com/accounts/social/connections/ which still produces the following: ``` ERROR 2023-12-07 00:05:55,032 169452 django.request Internal Server Error: /accounts/social/connections/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 55, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 220, in _get_response response = response.render() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/response.py", line 114, in render self.content = self.rendered_content File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/response.py", line 92, in rendered_content return template.render(context, self._request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 61, in render return self.template.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 175, in render return self._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 167, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in render return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in <listcomp> return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 157, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 167, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in render return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in <listcomp> return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 157, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 167, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in render return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in <listcomp> return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 157, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 167, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in render return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in <listcomp> return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 63, in render result = block.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in render return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in <listcomp> return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 63, in render result = block.nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in render return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in <listcomp> return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 321, in render return nodelist.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in render return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in <listcomp> return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 238, in render nodelist.append(node.render_annotated(context)) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 539, in render values = {key: val.resolve(context) for key, val in self.extra_context.items()} File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 539, in <dictcomp> values = {key: val.resolve(context) for key, val in self.extra_context.items()} File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 715, in resolve obj = self.var.resolve(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 847, in resolve value = self._resolve_lookup(context) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 914, in _resolve_lookup current = current() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/models.py", line 147, in get_provider_account return self.get_provider().wrap_account(self) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/models.py", line 141, in get_provider provider = self._provider = adapter.get_provider( File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/adapter.py", line 204, in get_provider app = self.get_app(request, provider=provider) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/adapter.py", line 284, in get_app apps = self.list_apps(request, provider=provider, client_id=client_id) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/adapter.py", line 231, in list_apps db_apps = SocialApp.objects.on_site(request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/socialaccount/models.py", line 27, in on_site site = get_current_site(request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/contrib/sites/shortcuts.py", line 16, in get_current_site return Site.objects.get_current(request) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/contrib/sites/models.py", line 63, in get_current raise ImproperlyConfigured( django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: You're using the Django "sites framework" without having set the SITE_ID setting. Create a site in your database and set the SITE_ID setting or pass a request to Site.objects.get_current() to fix this error. ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Where are the subject templates hidden?

by Simon Hanna

On 11/29/2017 09:25 AM, Thor Atle Rustad wrote: > 2017-11-29 7:40 GMT+01:00 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > >> On 11/28/2017 02:56 AM, Thor Atle Rustad wrote: >>> Using Docker. Suppose I've overcome >>> https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/359 and I can make Mailman use >>> the templates/site/no directory for my customized templates. Yes, it >> seems >>> to be working, no hickups when national characters are used in the >>> templates. >>> >>> but... >>> >>> the welcome message still says "Welcome to the "listname" mailing list" >> in >>> English. Is it possible to change that? >> >> Have you put the desired template in >> templates/site/no/list:user:notice:welcome.txt ? >> >> -- >> > Yes, I put it there, and the text in that file is what is shown in the > welcome mail. However, the subject does not change (still English) > Thor > The subjects are currently not part of the templates. The translation of these is done in the Python code, so you would need to export a list of strings Mailman Core uses and translate these...

7 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Chinese characters in list name shows question mark (?)

by Franklin Weng

Hi Mark, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> 於 2019年10月24日週四上午8:42寫道： > > Actually, there is no 1.2.5. The next release after 1.2.4 is 1.3.0, but > you can still set preferred_language for the list using the REST API or > mailman shell. > > For example in mailman shell > > $ mailman shell -l zh-l10n.lists.linux.org.tw > Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell > The variable 'm' is the zh-l10n.lists.linux.org.tw mailing list > >>> m.preferred_language > <Language [en] English (USA)> > >>> m.preferred_language = 'zh_TW' > >>> m.preferred_language > <Language [zh_TW] Chinese (Taiwan)> > >>> commit() > Thanks for your help. I did what you said above, but then I still got the same result even after restarting mailman3 services. ~# mailman shell -l zh-l10n.lists.linux.org.tw Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell The variable 'm' is the zh-l10n.lists.linux.org.tw mailing list >>> m.preferred_language <Language [zh_TW] Chinese (Taiwan)> >>> quit() I created a new list with Chinese display name, set the preferred_language and then subscribed to it. Also got question marks. Is there anything else to try? Thanks, Franklin

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Help request, almost got it going, but ....

by Claus-Justus Heine

Oh well. Am 01.09.2017 um 23:44 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 09/01/2017 02:33 PM, Claus-Justus Heine via Mailman-users wrote: >> >> Seemingly, at some point in the deep dungeons of the source code the >> "Acceptable aliases" Text-Box is not interpreted correctly. >> >> Specifically, at the start it contains the string >> >> [] > > > See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/58>. there they talk about fancy "uni-code thinks" (email addresses?) where the task is to convert a new-line separated text-field into an array. Oops. Kind thanks anyway. > > In order to set things on this page, you need to clear the Acceptable > aliases box before submitting changes. You can't actually set Acceptable > aliases via Postorius until this is fixed. The issue seems not to be overly active. I thought -- coming from Mailman v2 -- that the configuration of acceptable submitters to an email list (e.g. keep everyone moderated?) would be a central and prominent and important configuration issue. Seems not to be a central point. Mmmh. Thanks Claus -- Claus-Justus Heine himself(a)claus-justus-heine.de http://www.claus-justus-heine.de/ Schatzmeister der Camerata Academica Freiburg e.V. --- www.cafev.de

7 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 12:39 PM Onyeibo Oku <onyeibo(a)schemefusion.com> wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 09:46:00 -0800 > > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > This is all configured in your web server. It needs to proxy requests > > for lists.website.tld to gunicorn and depending on the web server, > > may need more. E.g. see > > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#nginx-configura… > > for nginx. > > I have fixed this. > > > > > > Set SITE_ID = 0 in your Django settings. Also see > > > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > > > Actually "SITE_ID = 1" solved that instead. I also had to go into the > database and update the values (django provided 'example.com' by > default and that was problematic). > The common practice I have see is that one creates their domain on the web interface, which then displays the SITE_ID = N. You then take the value into settings.py to replace the one that's there. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Exception with processing subscription confirmation email

by Eric Broens

Thanks Mark, We are indeed running mailman core 3.3.2 and using mysql. The data appears indeed to be truncated judging from the missing closing curly bracket (see below). Would it be OK to already extend the data column to VARCHAR(510) before upgrading to mailman core 3.3.3, or will this cause problems with upgrading to a newer version? +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------+ | data | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------+ | {"pre_approved": false, "pre_confirmed": false, "pre_verified": false, "invitation": false, "address_key": "******************@************", "subscriber_key": 1, "user_key": "a44e8b9a34c64775b712f383d438ce1d", "token_owner_key": 1, "send_welcome_message" | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------+ Best Regards, Eric -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark@msapiro.net] Sent: donderdag 29 april 2021 18:43 To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Exception with processing subscription confirmation email On 4/29/21 7:56 AM, Eric Broens wrote: > Hi, > > A new user tried to subscribe to a mailinglist, received the confirmation > mail, and replied to it. > > The subscriber is however not subscribed and remains listed in the "pending > confirmation" list. > > The following exception appears in the error.log. > > Does anyone knows how to resolve this? In the past we didn't experience any > issues and no changes but security updates have been installed. > > Apr 29 16:15:55 2021 (1581) deque: do_confirm_verify > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", > line 69, in __next__ > > return step() > > File > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.p > y", line 356, in _step_send_confirmation > > raise StopIteration > > StopIteration Tracebacks like the above are normal and probably shouldn't be logged at all. > Apr 29 16:16:28 2021 (1490) Uncaught runner exception: Expecting ':' > delimiter: line 1 column 256 (char 255) > > Apr 29 16:16:28 2021 (1490) Traceback (most recent call last): > > File > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", > line 173, in _one_iteration > > self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) > > File > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", > line 266, in _process_one_file > > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > > File > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/runners/command.py" > , line 208, in _dispose > > mlist, msg, msgdata, parts, results) > > File > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/commands/eml_confir > m.py", line 54, in process > > mlist).confirm(token) > > File > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.p > y", line 578, in confirm > > workflow.restore() > > File > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", > line 146, in restore > > data = json.loads(state.data) > > File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/json/__init__.py", line 354, in loads > > return _default_decoder.decode(s) > > File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/json/decoder.py", line 339, in decode > > obj, end = self.raw_decode(s, idx=_w(s, 0).end()) > > File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/json/decoder.py", line 355, in raw_decode > > obj, end = self.scan_once(s, idx) > > json.decoder.JSONDecodeError: Expecting ':' delimiter: line 1 column 256 > (char 255) > > Apr 29 16:16:28 2021 (1490) SHUNTING: > 1619705788.5856323+57a1a759275c59b732cfa8e2985f76cfcc27dda5 This one is the issue. There was some problem with the user's confirmation reply. View the shunted message with the command ``` mailman qfile path/to/var/queue/shunt/1619705788.5856323+57a1a759275c59b732cfa8e2985f76cfc c27dda5.pck ``` although that probably won't show anything wrong as it appears that the issue is with the saved workflow. You can get the token from the shunted message and then look at the database with something like ``` SELECT data FROM workflowstate WHERE token = '<the token>' ``` but I suspect the issue is because the database is MySQL or MariaDB, your Mailman core is older than 3.3.3 and your database server mode is such that data too long for column results in truncation, and the data in this case is truncated to 255 bytes. In Mailman 3.3.3, this column was changed from VARCHAR(255) to VARCHAR(510) for MySQL. As far as subscribing the user is concerned, you can in Postorius view the subscriptions waiting user confirmation and delete this one and then `mass subscribe` the user. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

4 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman messages are getting a TAG in some email clients.....how????

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

El 12/9/23 a las 19:43, Mark Sapiro escribió: > On 9/12/23 8:51 AM, bob B via Mailman-users wrote: >> So I know about the setting "Anonymous list" but regardless of that >> setting some email clients put the list name in [] when it displays >> messages in your inbox. Does anyone know how email clients are doing >> this? I have users who email clients do not do this, and was >> wondering if it is a setting in their client or just not possible. > > > This looks like Mailman adding 'Subject prefix', so all list mail will > have this prefix added to the Subject:. So the question isn't how mail > clients are adding it, but rather why do some mail clients suppress it. I think the simple answer is that some mobile mail clients don't show the subject line by default, you have to click to show it explicitely. That users just don't see that. -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating from SQLite to PostgreSQL

by Sebastian Hagedorn

--On 17. Juli 2018 um 22:04:12 -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 07/17/2018 07:27 PM, Joe Steeve wrote: >> >> I have an installation on SQLite. I want to migrate it to PostgreSQL. Is >> that feasible? Any gotchas I need to watch for? > > > It is feasible. > > You would need to stop Mailman core and all Django processes including > cron jobs and WSGI processes to ensure nothing is accessing the SQLite > database, update the database section in mailman.cfg and the DATABASES > settings in your Django settings, use SQLite tools to dump the relevant > database(s) and PostgreSQL tools to create and load them, and finally > restart Mailman core and all Django processes. I have only now started playing around with Mailman 3.2, because I never managed to get the earlier releases to work, and reading through the documentation I thought that such situations could be handled with Alembic, as described here under "Database Migrations": <http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/database.html> Is that not the case, and if not, in what cases can or should it be used? -- .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - Weyertal 121 (Gebäude 133), Zimmer 2.02.:. .:.Regionales Rechenzentrum (RRZK).:. .:.Universität zu Köln / Cologne University - ✆ +49-221-470-89578.:.

7 years

[MM3-users] Re: remove non members from a list

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

On 6/8/21 18:37, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 8/6/21 9:18 AM, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: >> Hi all: >> >> I need to remove all non members from a list. I know I can do it via >> Postorius, but it has to be done one at a time. (you can delete ALL >> suscribers but not all non members...) >> >> Anyone has a python recipe to do this? > > $ /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman shell -l list.example.com > Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell > Use commit() to commit changes. > Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. > Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. > The variable 'm' is the list.example.com mailing list > >>> for nonmember in m.members.nonmembers: > ... nonmember.unsubscribe() > ... > >>> commit() > Thanks a lot for the promt response, Mark. It's not functioning. It says: "AttributeError: 'MemberRoster' object has no attribute 'nonmembers'" My system info is: Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.7.9 (default, Nov 6 2020, 21:14:59) [Clang 8.0.1 (tags/RELEASE_801/final 366581)] Postorius 1.3.4

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] converting bulk accept_these_nonmembers in migration from mailman 2 to 3

by Lucio Chiappetti

I have been instructed by Mark Sapiro to subscribe to this list to post questions related to mailman3. On Mon, 31 Jan 2022, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 1/31/22 06:20, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: >> One of the lists of which I am a co-moderator has been moved from >> mailman 2 to 3. Actually the migration has been made operative yesterday (and so we got the first problems ...). Basic background. There are a number of lists within my institution (a nationwide research institution with many seats across our country), some are institutional (all staff subscribed ex officio) and managed by staff in one seat, some other are non-institutional (subscription is optional) and are managed by a few volunteers in other cities different from the seat where the mailman server runs. > In particular, the list settings for *_these_nonmembers are at Settings > -> Message Acceptance, but these settings in particular are deprecated > in Mailman 3 except for regexps. In Mailman 3 the preferred way to say > accept a nonmember is to create a nonmember for that user and set it's > Moderation action to Default Processing. If, a nonmember posts, the > nonmember record is automatically created, Let me explain our case, and how it was managed in mailman2. - originally our staff (of the order of 1000) had addresses like user(a)place.inaf.it or user(a)place.astro.it. Some had even two (say place1.inaf.it and place2.inaf.it), so they subscribed with ONE of their work addresses - later we got addresses like name.surname(a)inaf.it. New users subscribe with this address but MANY of the old ones continue to use the PREVIOUS address. - we implemented a spam filtering policy as follows: - staff (and former staff) can SUBSCRIBE with any address or CHANGE their address. Any subscribed address will be recognised. Mail is NOT held in moderation unless too bulky, or has undisclosed recipients - mail from non members with any address in the .it TLD or in the tng.iac.es domain (where some of our staff work) goes into moderation (this is achieved via regexp in hold_these_nonmembers) - anything else is silently discarded as spam (generic_nonmember_action = discard) - when some staff posts from a non-subscribed address (be it the home address, or one of the alternate addresses described above) it therefore goes into moderation because of hold_these_nonmembers - in mailman2 we could let them pass "manually" (if we recognised the person) or (in case they used an alternate address) tick to add them permanently to accept_these_nonmembers (in one tick) - at the end we got somehow fed up of this but we did NOT want to accept any address of the form ^.+@.+\.inaf.it (which could be forged) but found that we could simply put in accept_these_nonmembers two entries like @list1 @list2 where list1 and list2 are two institutional lists on the same server which contain all permanent and temporary staff or assimilated with their official address (these lists are automagically generated each week) (so at least any VALID EXISTING official address is accepted) What I found now (after the migration done by the administrators of the central seat) is that in mailman3: - accept_these_nonmembers is empty - there are 189 entries listed in Non-members (which look those formerly in accept_these_nonmembers) - hold_these_nonmembers was copied identical with the same regexp's as in mailman2 - I have inspected a few of them and found that they have Administration options Moderation set to List default - the effect of this apparently was that a post from some.guy(a)inaf.it (whose subscription address is guy(a)somewhere.inaf.it) was hold for moderation is this due to a loop with the regexp in hold_these_nonmembers ? the default action would be to let it pass Or should we set Administration options Moderation to Accept immediately ? - if so, how can we do it automatically for all 189 entries ? - or move back the 189 addresses to accept_these_nonmembers ? - or for the future have persons posting with alternate addrresses accepted for the future WITH ONE CLICk ? - AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST would the syntax @list1 in accept_these_nonmembers work in mailman3 ? already putting it back will save a lot of work. Many thanks -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Corti 12 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "All that is google does not glitter Nor all who use alpine/procmail are lost"

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: where do I find the text of a bounce email ?

by Per Jessen

Mark Sapiro wrote: >> diff --git a/src/mailman/runners/lmtp.py >> b/src/mailman/runners/lmtp.py index 6a0bdcf5e..eca474089 100644 >> --- a/src/mailman/runners/lmtp.py >> +++ b/src/mailman/runners/lmtp.py >> @@ -217,6 +217,8 @@ class LMTPHandler: >> slog.debug('%s subaddress: %s, queue: %s', >> message_id, canonical_subaddress, >> queue) >> status.append('250 Ok') >> + if queue == 'bounces': >> + config.switchboards['bad'].enqueue(msg, >> msgdata) >> except Exception: >> slog.exception('Queue detection: %s', >> msg['message-id']) config.db.abort() > ``` > will add all received bounces as queue files to var/queue/bad/ where > they can be examined with `mailman qfile`. Thanks. Yep, I'm getting NDRs kept now. "mailman qfile" seems to be a bit slow, 2-3 seconds per go. To look for a specific address that bounced, is there any mailman tool for grepping through a collection of bounces? (I have +1200 after a few days). I'm trying with this: find /var/spool/mailman/bad -type f -name \*pck |\ while read m do (mailman qfile $m | grep -q ad.dr@ess) && echo $m done Is there a better way? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (4.6°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification

by Onyeibo Oku

On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 14:46:06 -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 10/25/22 12:56, Onyeibo Oku wrote: > > > > I must be missing necessary policy modules for mailman or I am > > missing relevant parts of the tutorial that deals with SELinux. > > Where do I go from here? > > > Create the necessary SELinux rules to allow `mailman` to access what > it needs to. Roger that. There is progress beyond the previous report (after setting mailman_lock_t on '/opt/mailman/mm/var/locks'. Systemd fails again on '/opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/mailman.log' I applied mailman_log_t SELinux policy to that folder. Unlike the previous AVC, that didn't fix it. PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/mailman.log' AVC avc: denied { append } for pid=774 comm="mailman" name="mailman.log" dev="sda" ino=2070696 scontext=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0 tcontext=unconfined_u:object_r:mailman_log_t:s0 tclass=file permissive=0 > > I don't know if anyone on this list can help you with that. > > Note that if `mailman` is currently a `normal user` as opposed to a > `system user` making it a system user might help. See `man usermod` > Mailman user is a System User here. Regards Onyeibo

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: list of subscribers

by Simon Hanna

On 02/04/2018 01:45 PM, Peter Münster wrote: > On Fri, Feb 02 2018, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >>> Yes, the question is rather: where can *normal* members (or moderators) >>> can see the subscriber list? >> Currently, they can't. If you think they should be able to, you can file >> an issue at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/new>. > Thanks. Done. > > It seems, that even the owner of the list cannot get the full names of > the subscribers, only the email addresses. Is there any other > possibility for the owner (or the site admin) to get the subscriber list > with full names (perhaps with some Python scripting)? You should be able to use mailmanclient to get a list of subscribers with names. Names are optional though, if people signup without them you won't be able to get them. Currently there is no option to require names. I'll open an issue in postorius about showing the name in the member list if there is one associated. IIRC one person(postorius account) can also signup at different lists using different names (regardless of address). There was some discussion about names and potentially using the from header to populate the database but I don't remember the result...

7 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman import21

by Brian Carpenter

On 10/11/20 11:06 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/11/20 7:41 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> Does the import21 script also import custom templates? > No. > > >> Are these custom >> templates contained in the config.pck file? > No. They are in the same MM 2.1 directory as the config.pck, but in a > sub-directory for the language code, i.e. lists/LISTNAME/LC/ > > >> Are there any known issues >> with the importing of mm2 templates into a mm3 environment? > > The replacements are different. i.e., things like %(email)s and > %(listname)s become $user_email and $short_listname. > > Also, there are some MM 2.1 templates that have no MM 3 equivalent. > Also, things like message and digest headers and footers that are MM 2.1 > list attributes that are templates in MM 3, although import21 tries to > handle those. So are how these templates showing up on my Mailman 3 servers? They show up in /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/listname/en/. I have a client whose old footer template from Mailman 2 still showing up in list messages. He then created a custom footer template via Affinity (same thing happen in Postorius) and both custom footers were being included in list messages. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Weblate spanish translation of templates (was: Re: spanish localization)

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

On 14/2/21 2:42, Abhilash Raj wrote: > You can actually translate the templates in Weblate too. That is > actually the whole > reason to go with monolingual template format in Mailman Core. > > Mailman uses the template file's name as the msgid for translations > and all in-tree > templates are copied into English's .po file when we re-generate them. > > For example in here: > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/messages/es/LC… > > > The english .po file is considered as reference in Weblate and used > for source string. I want to contribute making it via Weblate, since it is already done via gitlab repository (thanks to Mark Sapiro for approving the merge requests), making a revision and editing them if needed, but I cannot see how to make it in a consistent way, as I cannot determine how to edit each template in the Weblate UI. I've tried to access via the file name (accessing via msgid as for your example) of the template... but I cannot access them by this way, or I'm missing something. Can you, please, point me in the right direction on how to do it?

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: config incoming email in my domain cpanel

by tlhackque

On 03-Aug-17 17:14, Rafael Mora wrote: > > > El jue., 3 ago. 2017 a las 16:07, tlhackque via Mailman-users > (<mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org>>) > escribió: > > You've said you're working with labbrands.com <http://labbrands.com>. > > labbrands.com <http://labbrands.com> has address 192.185.51.89 > mail.labbrands.com <http://mail.labbrands.com> has address > 192.185.51.89 > www.labbrands.com <http://www.labbrands.com> is an alias for > labbrands.com <http://labbrands.com>. > > telnet proves that Exim is running on that IP address. Either you're > running it, or hostgator is redirecting the SMTP ports. > > You added: > lists.labbrands.com <http://lists.labbrands.com> has address > 190.145.27.66 > > Presumably that's a different machine. > > So that now needs an MX record, and a firewall routing. > > > I added the MX record on our hostgator hosting like this: > image.png > > Is it correct??? > No. And sending images to the mailing list doesn't get you help. You set up lists.labbrands.com as a secondary server, not an independent mail domain. This will cause you serious grief. You need to get some help from a more suitable list. Setting this up is not mailman-specific, and getting it right is more than a quick note. Try the Postfix documentation & mailing lists. > > > And the SPF > records ... and spam and virus filters, and all the other stuff > you need > to setup an independent, public-facing smtp server. > > But at least you won't have to relay. > > Good luck. > > On 03-Aug-17 16:55, Rafael Mora wrote: > > El jue., 3 ago. 2017 a las 15:49, tlhackque via Mailman-users (< > > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org>>) > escribió: > > > >> I think you're confused. > >> > >> You already have mail.labbrands.com <http://mail.labbrands.com> > set up as the MX record for > >> labbrands.com <http://labbrands.com>. And it has an A record > with the same address as your > >> webserver. > >> > > I'm working with the hostgator mailserver, we are not running a > local > > mailserver. > > > > As suggested I added an A record like this: > > [image: image.png] > > > > Is it correct? is it redirecting to my Ip so I can redirect it to my > > postfix/mm3 server? > > > > > >> So if you're getting e-mail on that domain, there's another e-mail > >> server running on that IP address. You can't have 2 servers > on port > >> 25. In that case, as has been noted before, you'll need to setup a > >> relay in that server, not a firewall redirect. Depending on > your MTA, > >> you would need to relay to your internal server. And make sure > your > >> firewall setup allows your MTA to do this. > >> > >> We can see it's EXIM: > >> > >> telnet mail.labbrands.com <http://mail.labbrands.com> 25 > >> Trying 192.185.51.89... > >> Connected to mail.labbrands.com <http://mail.labbrands.com> > (192.185.51.89). > >> Escape character is '^]'. > >> help > >> 220-gator4137.hostgator.com > <http://220-gator4137.hostgator.com> ESMTP Exim 4.87 #1 Thu, 03 > Aug 2017 15:47:48 > >> -0500 > >> 220-We do not authorize the use of this system to transport > unsolicited, > >> 220 and/or bulk e-mail. > >> 214-Commands supported: > >> 214 AUTH STARTTLS HELO EHLO MAIL RCPT DATA NOOP QUIT RSET HELP > >> quit > >> 221 gator4137.hostgator.com <http://gator4137.hostgator.com> > closing connection > >> Connection closed by foreign host. > >> > >> Or, consolidate all your e-mail to one server - which is a lot > easier to > >> manage unless you have a really big operation. Postfix is > probably the > >> right choice, but requires more setup. > >> > >> Although Mailman3 configuration is not well documented (as you've > >> discovered), you may want to get help from someone with more > general > >> network and mail experience. You're now into territory that is, as > >> Simon indicated, not Mailman-specific. > >> > >> On 03-Aug-17 16:28, Rafael Mora wrote: > >>> El jue., 3 ago. 2017 a las 15:26, Mark Sapiro > (<mark(a)msapiro.net <mailto:mark@msapiro.net>>) > >> escribió: > >>>> On 08/03/2017 01:22 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: > >>>>> El jue., 3 ago. 2017 a las 15:18, Mark Sapiro > (<mark(a)msapiro.net <mailto:mark@msapiro.net>>) > >>>> escribió: > >>>>>> You need to forward port 25 for SMTP mail delivery and if > you want the > >>>>>> web UI (Postorius and HyperKitty) accessible from the > outside, port 80 > >>>>>> for http and/or port 443 for https > >>>>>> < > >>>>>> > >> > https://www.iana.org/assignments/service-names-port-numbers/service-names-p… > >>>>>>> . > >>>>> I mean for incoming mail redirected from my hostgator > hosting, because > >>>> when > >>>>> I suscribe an email address MM3 sends a confirmation email, > so I have > >> to > >>>>> reply to be suscribed to the list. > >>>> As I said, for mail delivery you need to forward port 25 to > the Mailman > >>>> server. > >>>> > >>> Ok so I'll redirect in my zentyal firewall the port 25 to my local > >> centos7 > >>> with postfix and MM3 with IP 192.168.1.42. Thanks Mark. > >>> > >>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net <mailto:mark@msapiro.net>> > The highway is for gamblers, > >>>> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - > B. Dylan > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Mailman-users mailing list > >>>> mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org> > >>>> > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > >>>> > >> -- > >> This communication may not represent my employer's views, > >> if any, on the matters discussed. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Mailman-users mailing list > >> mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org> > >> > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > >> > > -- > This communication may not represent my employer's views, > if any, on the matters discussed. > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org> > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > -- > > Atentamente / Best Regards > > Ing. Rafael Mora > -- This communication may not represent my employer's views, if any, on the matters discussed.

7 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Setting up From: field as list address

by Steven Maddox

Hey, Thanks Mark... found that about 2 minutes after I sent this in :) If you ever get a 'moderator waiting approval' reply when sending into a mailman list... don't suppose there is some magic command you can send into the list to cancel off a pending e-mail? :D Steven Maddox Lantizia On 25/11/2019 15:30, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/24/19 11:54 PM, Steven Maddox wrote: >> Hi folks, >> >> I'm trying to configure our mailman3 lists (via postorious) in a way >> that'll mean they'll behave in the way way that I've witnessed on >> another 3rd party list (one running mailman2). >> >> This is where (when receiving a message from the list) the From: is the >> list itself, and the person who actually sent it bizarrely appears as a >> CC:, for example... >> >> From: Steven Madox via Shropshire LUG <shropshire(a)mailman.lug.org.uk> >> Subject: [Shropshire LUG] Whatever >> To: shropshire(a)mailman.lug.org.uk >> CC: s.maddox(a)lantizia.me.uk > > > Go to Settings -> DMARC Mitigations and set DMARC mitigation action to > "Replace From: with list address" and DMARC Mitigate unconditionally to Yes. >

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/direttivo@catania.linux.it/top-threads

by blackout69

Il 01/03/21 00:21, Mark Sapiro ha scritto: > On 2/28/21 10:17 AM, blackout69 wrote: > It looks to me like a race condition of some kind or possibly an > incompletely deleted thread. Have you deleted any threads? I have not deleted threads > I'm curious as to how you happen to be going to > <https://lists.catania.linux.it/hyperkitty/list/direttivo@catania.linux.it/t…> > as opposed to > <https://lists.catania.linux.it/hyperkitty/list/direttivo@catania.linux.it/#…>. > I know that ULS and similar ones are in HyperKitty's urls.py, but I > don't see them exposed on any pages. > > Anyway, when you say "from that moment the maiilan3 has stopped > working." (sic) exactly what stopped working. Did core stop delivering > messages? Did Postorius stop working. If so, this all may be related to > some underlying database issue or something like that that was fixed by > the restarts. I don't see how this HyperKitty error could affect > Postorius or Mailman core. When I say that it stops working, I mean that all members of the lists no longer receive messages. Postorius and Hyperkitty continue to work blackout69

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Rebuilding a list index fails

by Mark Dadgar

On Feb 17, 2021, at 11:06 AM, Mark Dadgar <mark(a)pdc-racing.net> wrote: > On Feb 17, 2021, at 9:58 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >> On 2/16/21 9:59 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: >>> Now that I’ve got my instance back up and running on the latest released code, I am trying to rebuild a list index. I am using Xapian via haystack, which worked beautifully before my recent list meltdown. >>> >>> Error messages below. >>> >>> rebuild_index fails with the same error. >>> >>> This is with django version 3.0.12. >> >> >> django.utils.six was removed in Django 3.0. See >> <https://pypi.org/project/django-utils-six/> for a work around >> replacement. I.e. in your venv do >> >> pip install django-utils-six > > > OK, that got me a step further. Then I needed to do a “pip install xapian-bindings” and now I am up and running. One last note on this for the next person who searches the list archives: I also ran into the “Key too long” error while re-indexing. Applying the patch linked here fixed it: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/322 - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Fwd: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive

by David Partain

On Tue, 2021-03-02 at 13:43 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > This is all because you are using the Ubuntu 18.04 package which is > about 4 years out of date and is from the era where HyperKitty, > Postorius and django_mailman3 still ran under Python 2.1.7. > > Unless you want to remove the Ubuntu package and install everything > with > pip, you need to just stick with what you have that at least partly > works and we'll try to determine how to fix the utf8mb4 issue. Hi Mark, You're a very patient soul. Thank you. Yes, I'm resigned to exactly that. The archives when folks send emojis will break, but that's just life. Mail will get sent. Heck, I guess I could edit the file in /var/lib/mailman3/archives/hyperkitty/spool to get rid of the emoji in the worst case... Once I've migrated my 1500 mailing lists (this weekend) to the server, I'll think about how to get a new server set up that I can shift to and I'll install that with pip, since that'll clearly give me something more supportable. Is Ubuntu 20.04 a reasonable platform for that? Cheers, David

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 doesn't send Mails to users (Debian12 with Plesk)

by Marcus Bautze

Hallo, Am 27.05.2024 um 14:33 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > Enabling archivers is done in mailman.cfg similarly to > ``` > [archiver.hyperkitty] > class: mailman_hyperkitty.Archiver > enable: yes > configuration: /opt/mailman/mm/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg Thank you, archiver is now starting. Now there's another problem: In mailman.log i'm finding: "Jun 06 10:16:16 2024 (3556489) ACCEPT: <d3072553-2f52-4bd7-b14a-2701863812c7@***> Jun 06 10:16:17 2024 (3556492) HyperKitty failure on https://[URL]/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls: <html> <head><title>403 Forbidden</title></head> <body> <center><h1>403 Forbidden</h1></center> <hr><center>nginx</center> </body> </html> (403)" in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg there is: base_url: https://[URL]/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls an in mailman-web.py ALLOWED_HOSTS = [ #"localhost", # Archiving API from Mailman, keep it. # "lists.your-domain.org", # Add here all production URLs you may have. '*' ] MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = '*' (only for test, if it works i will use my domains/IPS) If i try lynx https://[URL]/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls i'm getting "The archiver key must be sent over the Authorization HTTP header." an no forbidden What's the problem? Where i have to change something to get it working? (I'm using plesk) CU -- Marcus Bautze marcus(a)mbautze.de

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Moving existing lists to a new domain

by Jeremy Stanley

On 2024-11-21 14:22:27 -0800 (-0800), Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/21/24 07:43, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > > > > Preparing to test this, I poked around the schema a bit and noticed > > that the domain names are also embedded as strings in the following > > fields: > > > > django_mailman3_maildomain.mail_domain > > django_site.domain > > django_site.name > > These are all Django things. You can modify those values in the db. > > Note that django_site.name is just a name and doesn't need to be the exact > domain name. > > > domain.mail_host > > This is Mailman core's domain table. Again, you can modify the value in the > db. Yeah, I was planning to address all of those with additional SQL update queries, just wanted to make sure I found all relevant references to the domain name. > > Can anyone think of any additional tables/columns which would need > > updating for this? I'll see if scanning a dump of the full DB > > content turns up anything I might be missing too. Thanks again! > > I don't think there's anything else. Awesome, thanks again, as always! -- Jeremy Stanley

8 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: My Server is unable to connect to Mailman REST API few times

by Shashikanth Komandoor

Dear Mark, As I already said, your suggestion worked well on one list. But when I tried to implement the same trick on another list, I found the below error messages in the mailman.log. > * Sep 23 18:31:31 2020 (22951) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno > 2] No such file or directory: > '/var/lib/mailman/mailman/var/lists/press.dpr-pb.lsmgr.nic.in/digest.mmdf > <http://press.dpr-pb.lsmgr.nic.in/digest.mmdf>'* > > > *Sep 23 18:31:31 2020 (22951) Traceback (most recent call last):* > * File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/mailbox.py", line 581, in __init__* > * f = open(self._path, 'rb+')* > *FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/var/lib/mailman/mailman/var/lists/press.dpr-pb.lsmgr.nic.in/digest.mmdf > <http://press.dpr-pb.lsmgr.nic.in/digest.mmdf>'* > *During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:* > *Traceback (most recent call last):* > * File "/var/lib/mailman/mailman/src/mailman/core/runner.py", line 173, > in _one_iteration* > * self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata)* > * File "/var/lib/mailman/mailman/src/mailman/core/runner.py", line 266, > in _process_one_file* > * keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)* > * File "/var/lib/mailman/mailman/src/mailman/runners/pipeline.py", line > 37, in _dispose* > * process(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)* > * File "/var/lib/mailman/mailman/src/mailman/core/pipelines.py", line 50, > in process* > * handler.process(mlist, msg, msgdata)* > * File "/var/lib/mailman/mailman/src/mailman/handlers/to_digest.py", line > 47, in process* > * with Mailbox(mailbox_path, create=True) as mbox:* > * File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/mailbox.py", line 893, in __init__* > * _mboxMMDF.__init__(self, path, factory, create)* > * File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/mailbox.py", line 585, in __init__* > * f = open(self._path, 'wb+')**FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such > file or directory: > '/var/lib/mailman/mailman/var/lists/press.dpr-pb.lsmgr.nic.in/digest.mmdf > <http://press.dpr-pb.lsmgr.nic.in/digest.mmdf>'* > > I ran in both the ways you suggested i.e. through "mailman shell" and "mailman remove". But no luck. Could you please suggest me at this point ? <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 10:29 PM Shashikanth Komandoor < shashikanth.komandoor(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Thank you Mark a lot. > > It worked awesome. You don't know how much you helped me. > > Thank you once again. > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> > <#m_8502129290396208734_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 8:56 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> On 9/19/20 4:32 AM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: >> > >> > But I am trying to delete a list on an urgent basis. Because of which I >> am >> > getting the above said errors. I tried to delete >> > through the interface, through curl command and through "mailman shell" >> but >> > nothing led me to a >> > positive result. Is there any work around to delete the list ? >> >> What have you tried in Mailman shell? This should do it. >> >> $ mailman shell -l list.example.com >> Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell >> Use commit() to commit changes. >> Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. >> Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. >> The variable 'm' is the list.example.com mailing list >> >>> getUtility(IListManager).delete(m) >> >>> commit() >> >> So should just >> >> $ mailman remove list.example.com >> >> What happens if you do those? >> >> -- >> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, >> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >> > > > -- > Thanks & Regards, > Shashi Kanth.K > 9052671936 > > > > -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: 'utf-8' codec can't encode characters

by Gilles Filippini

Mark Sapiro a écrit le 15/06/2020 à 21:58 : > On 6/15/20 12:37 PM, Gilles Filippini wrote: >> >> There are 4 emails stored into this folder. 3 of them are spam, and the >> last one is a legitimate email. This is annoying that such emails could >> accumulate and stay into var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ forever, causing >> more and more hyperkitty errors. >> >> Any idea how to make their processing more error proof? > > > Change the offending .encode() method to add errors='replace'. > > The traceback from the error should tell you where it is. > > You could also open an issue at > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues> for us to look at. If > you do that, please include an error traceback if possible. If there is > not a traceback in mailman.log associated with the error, there might be > one in HyperKitty's log (configured in Django's settings). Also, > including enough of a message to duplicate the issue is very helpful. I've now deleted the offending messages. Will open an issue with related details the next time this error occurs. Thanks a lot, _g.

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Welcome message template errors

by Mark

>> On 2024-04-23 11:33, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> That URI should have been; >> >> https://lists.mydomain.com/mailman3/api/templates/list/mytestlist.lists.myd… > I think you are saying the what you reported originally was not > correct and the URL in the template table was in fact the latter URL. I meant when I typed the URL in my first email I had unintentionally omitted the name of the list (mytestlist) when I redacted the real domain name to 'lists.mydomain.com'. ...emplates/list/lists.mydomain.com/list:user:noti... I should have written ...emplates/list/mytestlist.lists.mydomain.com/list:user:noti... >> If I go to the above URL, the text of the list's Custom welcome >> message displays on an otherwise empty webpage. > > > And that's what is expected. So you can go to that URL and get the > template, but when Mailman Core tries to do the same thing, it gets a > timeout. Is there some firewall or other security software blocking > this access? #ufw disable Firewall stopped and disabled on system startup Then restarted everything... # ufw status verbose Status: inactive And still getting the error in the Postorius webpage ... HTTP Error 400: HTTPSConnectionPool(host='lists.mydomain.com', port=443): Read timed out. (read timeout=5)

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Header Filter madness

by Brian Carpenter

On 1/11/21 8:48 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On January 11, 2021 5:50:04 PM MST, Brian Carpenter <brian_carpenter(a)emwd.com> wrote: >> I have a client whose header filters seemed to have stop working. No >> matter what I try, it seems none of their header filters are being >> applied. Other lists on the same server that use header filters, are >> working fine. This particular header is the subject header. I can >> duplicate their problem but only with their list. If I create the exact >> >> same header on a test list using the exact same subject line, the >> header >> filter does its job (moderate). Just not with this one list. > Is the poster's moderation action or the list's moderation action set to accept? Moderation action accept (rather than default processing) will bypass header filters an many other rules. > > The "Default action to take when a member posts to the list " is set to Default Processing for the problematic list. The list members moderation action is set to "List Default" for the problematic list. I duplicated the same settings using another list. Header filters works fine on the test list, does not on the production list. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: UnpicklingError on mailman lists command

by Bryan Loniewski

Okay, so the issue has been fixed by updating the data to an empty list equivalent (after finding, confirming and copying another lists empty value): MySQL [mailman]> SELECT accept_these_nonmembers INTO @newatn FROM mailinglist WHERE list_name='foo_is_a_good_list_with_emptyval'; MySQL [mailman]> UPDATE mailinglist SET accept_these_nonmembers=@newatn WHERE list_name='the_borked_list'; Query OK, 1 row affected (0.02 sec) Rows matched: 1 Changed: 1 Warnings: 0 Thanks for the help on troubleshooting that! Based on your import21 comments, I'm realizing the issue may be caused by multiple runs of import21. I have been (although I've stopped it for some time now) running import21 nightly to sync up my Mailman3 list data with Mailman2. I've been doing the same for archiving as well. I've noticed now that some lists have duplicate acceptable alias entries (looks to be like <number of aliases> x <number of import21 runs>) and the same goes for *_these_nonmembers entries. Is this a symptom of running the old(er) import21 command pre-3.3.2? Will the 3.3.2 import21 work as expected w/out the duplications if I was to clear out the appropriate lists col data (i.e., is it okay to run import21 multiple times)? I tried to figure out if there were any other duplicative data, but did not come across any. Is there more that I'm missing? ________________________ Bryan Loniewski Rutgers University OIT:EAS:Messaging and Collaboration Services System Administrator ________________________________________ From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:28 PM To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Re: UnpicklingError on mailman lists command On 8/3/21 7:35 AM, Bryan Loniewski wrote: > Okay, that helped identify possible culprits. Three of our lists are hitting/over the max BLOB length (65,535 bytes) for accept_these_nonmembers. I executed this SQL command for each of the BLOB cols you referenced and only accept_these_nonmembers is borked: > > MySQL [mailman]> SELECT list_name, OCTET_LENGTH(accept_these_nonmembers) as howManyBytes from mailinglist where OCTET_LENGTH(accept_these_nonmembers) > 64000; > +---------------+--------------+ > | list_name | howManyBytes | > +---------------+--------------+ > | <snip> | 65535 | > | <snip> | 65535 | > | <snip> | 65535 | > +---------------+--------------+ > 3 rows in set (0.01 sec) > > So, putting aside *why* these lists are so large wrt that column, can or should I alter the col type(s) to MEDIUMBLOB? If yes, would that remain on suite upgrades? If no, is there a better alternative? Or some recommendation in between? Modifying the column type at this point will not help because the data has already been truncated and the missing piece is gone. It may help avoid future issues, but I suspect it's not necessary. It would probably 'stick' on an upgrade as long as there were no new migration affecting those columns, but if there were such a migration, it could fail due to the existing type not being as expected. I suspect these lists were imported from Mailman 2.1 with the `mailman import21` command. The goal of that is to import the addresses as non-members with the appropriate action and put only the regexps in the MM 3 *_these_nonmembers. Prior to Mailman 3.3.2, import21 would add the entire 2.1 *_these_nonmembers and then delete the non-regexps. Possibly something went wrong in that process because of the truncation and left the new *_these_nonmembers in a broken state. Or possibly you just have a huge number of regexps in these list's accept_these_nonmembers. I suggest you use mysql to update this column's data for these three lists. to a value which unpickles as an empty list. This value is the python bytes b'\x80\x04\x5d\x94\x2e' (i.e. 5 bytes with hex values 80, 04, 5d, 94 and 2e). I'm not sure how that is stored in a MySQL BLOB, but I'm sure you can determine that. This will allow you to actually access those lists in Mailman. Also note that beginning with Postorius 1.3.3, the *_these_nonmembers settings are exposed on the List Settings -> Message Acceptance form. If you still have the original MM 2.1 config.pck files, you can examine them with Mailman 2.1's bin/dumpdb command to see what was in accept_these_nonmembers, and then see if the appropriate MM 3 nonmembers were created and if the remaining regexps are not too long, add them. If you need help with this, I will help. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: integrating mm3 with postfix / lmtp

by Abhilash Raj

On Fri, Nov 3, 2017, at 08:29 AM, Fabian A. Santiago wrote: > October 26, 2017 11:07 PM, "Mark Sapiro" <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > On October 26, 2017 7:30:35 PM PDT, "Fabian A. Santiago" <fsantiago(a)garbage-juice.com> wrote: > > > >> That was it. Perfect. I manually modified my regexp map and it works > >> now. Excellent and Thank you. You're the man. Does mm3 ever refresh > >> those maps or only as I add new domains / lists? > > > > Only when you make changes to domains or lists. > > > > -- > > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> > > Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software. > > Mark, > > I've noticed that even simply restarting the mm3 components those alias > maps get rewritten and the problem returns until I can manually edit it. Yeah, that is true. Transport maps are re-generated everytime the container restarts. I don't think think there is any way around this right now :( > > -- > > Thanks, > > Fabian S. > > OpenPGP: 3C3FA072ACCB7AC5DB0F723455502B0EEB9070FC > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ -- Abhilash Raj maxking(a)asynchronous.in

7 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman 3 adding extraneous /var/ to pid path?

by Barry Warsaw

On Sep 21, 2017, at 18:35, Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 21, 2017, at 02:42 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> On 09/21/2017 01:29 PM, Andrew Hodder wrote: >>> >>> I keep getting around this by creating symlinks to the pid file and then >>> the stop works, but it's getting silly. It seems like mailman just assumes >>> CWD + /var/ + master.pid must be the location. Once I realized this, I >>> found I can do "mailman stop" so long as I'm only in /opt/mailman/ (since >>> it'd then add /var/master.pid). But that seems a little nonsensical. >> >> That is the normal expected behavior if devmode is enabled. Check your >> configs for this. > > I don't think `devmode` has anything to do with this, it only disables > sending out emails by accident and routes all emails to a pre-defined > address. Haven't looked at the relevant portion of the source so I might > be wrong. That’s correct. The [paths.*] sections are what control the file system layout, and [mailman]layout is what defines which of the [paths.*] sections to use. Cheers, -Barry

7 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Apache+mod_wsgi issue

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

I top post just for confirming that all your recommendations worked well and I am aplying them in the rest of servers Thanks a lot and all of you have a happy new year. El 27/12/22 a las 9:23, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users escribió: > > El 26/12/22 a las 23:57, Mark Sapiro escribió: >> ... >>> I don't want to put more noise in the list. But I'm confused because >>> I always updated via pip the apache mod_wsgi thinking is was needed >>> for my configuration. If it is not, I will stop updating it. >> >> Based on the above you ARE using Apache mod_wsgi and if you are still >> also running uwsgi as >> >> /usr/local/bin/uwsgi --ini /usr/local/mailman3/uwsgi.ini & >> >> that is unnecessary. > > It clarifies a pair of things. Thanks a lot. > > I'll try deactivating that in one of my servers (the "quieter" one) > and see how it goes. > > Again, thanks for your kind support. > > > > -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 Docker

by Odhiambo Washington

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 19:25, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 1/8/19 10:50 PM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > Now that has clarified the matter for me. That even when I am logged out, > > the scripts do the neccessary > > to activate the venv to run things. > > > As mentioned before, a virtualenv is not like a container. It is only a > directory that contains among other things a bin/ directory with > activate scripts and easy_install, python, pip and wheel commands. > > When you activate a virtualenv in your shell, all it really does is add > a deactivate command, modify the command prompt and insert its bin/ > directory at the beginning of its PATH. > > What this means is whether or not a virtualenv is "active", running a > command from the bin/ directory in the virtualenv is using the virtualenv. > Thank you very much for the elaboration. What used to confuse me was the early stage documents which detailed how to run MM3 in a virtual environment - I am talking about the BETA days. I think from this point onward, I have the complete foundation information to move forward. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-)

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderate mails from owner

by Malcolm Austen

On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 18:42:10 -0000, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > However, this is apparently not relevant because both the Member and > Non-Member actions are Hold. Thus, the post should be held unless it has > an Approved: header with the list's moderator_password attribute if > there is one, or it matches a Header filter rule with an accept action. At the risk of getting this really wrong - I have only limited MM3 knowledge - I will ask what is, I fancy, a closely related question ... My only experience of MM3 is with Ancestry's 'RootsWeb' installation. From the emails I can see a header "X-Mailman-Version: 3.1.0" but I can't find anything to identify Postorius which is the only interface I have to the system. From symptoms seen and described by others, I have deduced that the Postorius admin-per-user moderation options of "Default processing" and "List default" mean that a user may be set (by default on the rootsweb system!) to use the system default moderation settings rather than the list default settings. Are my deductions correct? And if so, could this be the explanation of the issue detailed in this thread? Apologies if I'm barking up entirely the wrong tree, Malcolm. -- Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen(a)weald.org.uk>

6 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty shows "<" as <

by Andreas Schamanek

Thanks Mark, Your support is unparalleled. On Tue, 4 Apr 2023, at 10:44, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 4/4/23 09:53, Andreas Schamanek wrote: >> All "<" and ">" in old and new messages are shown as "<" and ">" in >> message views _however_ they are shown correctly in overview abstracts e.g. >> at //server/mm3/hyperkitty/list/testlist@server/latest > > I don't think I've ever seen this. Certainly it is not the case on this list > with either current messages such as those in this thread > <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…> I tried to dig deeper and realized that on my test list "<" and ">" are only mangled when they surround email addresses as e.g. in <user(a)example.net> (ie. < user @ example . net >) I see that lists.mailman3.org renders such addresses as e.g. <a target="_blank" href="mailto:user@example.net">user(a)example.net</a> whereas my Hyperkitty shows them as <user(a)example.nett> But I have not yet found the responsible code or setting since it seems this is related to the option to obscure addresses. Or is my Hyperkitty 1.3.4 simply too old? -- -- Andreas :-)

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman stops processing....... where to start looking for root cause?

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > One of the runners has died, most likely the `out` runner, but > possibly another. The missing messages are stuck in a queue. Do ``` > ls -laR /opt/mailman/core/var/queue ``` to see in which queue the > messages are. The runner that processes that queue is gone or > possibly stuck. I have seen "stuck", in a multisite installation where Mailman's smarthost ended up being about 1000 miles from Mailman. I'm not sure what the issue is (we fixed the DNS, not Mailman :-), but every once in the while the connection would hang. In that case nothing showed up in the log. The only symptoms were the buildup in the out queue and a stale connection to port 25 on the smarthost. If your smarthost is not "network far" from the Mailman host, this is quite unlikely from my experience, although Mark may know better. In any case, I think the best way to start diagnosis is to check the Mailman and MTA queues for stuck messages. Of course in normal operation you will often see messages in the queue, but long queues or messages older than a minute are 99% a dead or stuck queue runner. Steve

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Disable Sign-up per domain

by Mark

On 2025-07-31 03:31, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Anything is possible, it's only code ;) > > You could make your own user_adapter.py which is modified like > > and set that as the ACCOUNT_ADAPTER. This depends on whatever is > proxying to Django setting the appropriate HTTP_HOST header. Thank you Mark. It's so close. After wrangling your solution a bit it's working a treat on my test server (wrangled solution below) . When I add it to the production server (same OS, MM installation, etc) I'm getting a "Bad gateway" error page and the log reports ... ... raise self.model.DoesNotExist( django.contrib.sites.models.Site.DoesNotExist: Site matching query does not exist. I cannot for the life of me get my head around that. I suspect it's something to do with what you said -- "whatever is proxying to Django setting the appropriate HTTP_HOST header." -- which I don't understand. Any additional advice gratefully received. ================================== /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django_mailman3/views/user_adapter.py ================================== COMMENT OUT THESE 2 LINES... # def is_open_for_signup(self, req): # return False REPLACE WITH THE FOLLOWING... def is_open_for_signup(self, req): if req.META['HTTP_HOST'] == 'lists.mydomain.com': return False else: return True ================================== /etc/mailman3/settings.py ================================== Append the following ... ACCOUNT_ADAPTER = 'django_mailman3.views.user_adapter.DisableSignupAdapter' ================================== systemctl restart mailman3 systemctl restart mailmanweb ==================================

1 day, 20 hours

[MM3-users] Re: UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character

by Marvin Gülker

Hi, Am 13. Dezember 2019 um 17:10 Uhr -0800 schrieb Mark Sapiro: >key is the <message-id> of the request message >request_type is 1 for a held message >mailing_list_id is a numeric index into the mailinglist table > >The issue is there are still held message requests there for the >messages you removed. You need to delete those entries from the _request >table. Thank you again for your valuable help. I've now taken the easy route and ran DELETE FROM _requests WHERE request_type=1; , i.e. I cleared the entire held messages queue. As it turned out, there were no requests of any other type than type 1. I've deleted all remaining files below /var/lib/mailman3/messages as well (after seeing it was only spam anyway, this time non-broken spam, but still spam). Now, finally, I can go to the held messages queue in Postorius again without a 500 error. The list of held messages there is now empty, but this is obviously expected. Let's hope that disabling SMTPUTF8 prevents the problem from further occuring. In any case, I've asked a friend report the problem to the Ubuntu tracker: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mailman3/+bug/1856181 I'm back on track now. Thanks everyone! Marvin -- Blog: https://mg.guelker.eu

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing MM3 via pip fails…

by Patrick Ben Koetter

* Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > On 2/18/20 10:45 AM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: > > Has anyone managed to install MM3 recently using pip on Ubuntu 18? > > > > I followed the instructions at > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst…. > > As soon as I get to the Django part things get hairy. It seems Django requires > > something that was removed from it. > > > What exactly is the issue? I just tried following the doc starting at > <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-setup> > and doing everything through > > (venv)$ python3 manage.py runserver > > and I encountered no issues. One possibility is the Ubuntu 18.04 box on > which I did this already had ruby-sass and python3-dev globally installed. > > sudo apt install ruby-sass > sudo apt install python3-dev > > Did you install these? Yes, I did. But to be sure I'll try on a vanilla VM and see how it goes if I install ruby-sass and python3-dev beforehand. p@rick -- [*] sys4 AG https://sys4.de, +49 (89) 30 90 46 64 Schleißheimer Straße 26/MG,80333 München Sitz der Gesellschaft: München, Amtsgericht München: HRB 199263 Vorstand: Patrick Ben Koetter, Marc Schiffbauer, Wolfgang Stief Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Florian Kirstein

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: multiple sites on a mailman3 server question

by William Oliver

On Wed, 2021-12-29 at 09:21 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 12/29/21 8:48 AM, William Oliver wrote: > > > > What I'm trying to figure out is where uwsgi yanks control from > > nginx > > and does the rewriting. Pulling that proxypass stuff out will stop > > mailman3 from coming up, and adding it allows mailman3 to show its > > interface, but the address gets referred regardless. > > > > Somehow I need to tell uwsgi to ignore www.domain.com *or* somehow > > tell > > nginx not to push it to port 8000. But I don't see where nginx is > > getting told to go to 8000 in the www.domain.com section. > > > If you are following > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html you have > ``` > location / { > proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000; > proxy_set_header Host $host; > proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; > > } > ``` > in your nginx config and everything goes to uwsgi. What you want is > to > put those proxy directives in only the mailman locations as at > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > and then configure your document root so other locations are served > from > there. >

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Any possible way to reduce robot spam accounts?

by Franklin Weng

Hi Mark, Mark Sapiro 於 2023/7/21 12:01 寫道: > On 7/20/23 20:42, Franklin Weng wrote: >> >> Thank you. When I set it in my settings_local.py, I clicked register >> and got an error: >> >> ModuleNotFoundError at/accounts/signup/ >> No module named 'django_mailman3.views.user_adapter' >> >> (In the document the path is /etc/mailman3/settings.py but I >> installed it with Debian packages so I guess the path is somewhat >> different, and I thought setting in setting_local.py should work >> too. It seems work since it gave me the error above.) >> >> Do I have to install something else? Or disable some other options? > > > What is the version of django_mailman3 in your Debian package? As it > says in the FAQ article, "You would need django-mailman3 >= 1.3.6 for > these settings to work." > Debian Bullseye goes with 1.3.5, and Debian Bookworm goes with 1.3.9 but as I have said in another thread it has problems in django admin. So I downloaded the 1.3.9 source code, extracted it, and copied django-mailman3/views/user_adapter.py to /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_mailman3/views. It worked! For a record here. Thanks for your help. Thanks, Franklin

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: External MTA incoming mail: configuration

by Roland Giesler

On 2024/07/30 22:39, Mark Sapiro wrote: > It appears you have a situation where the MX for the Mailman domains > is not the Mailman server. You need to configure the MTA on > box2.gtahardware.co.za to relay Mailman's mail to the mailman server. > You can to this by configuring that MTA to use transport_maps, etc as > if it were the Mailman server. In order to get Mailman's generated > files on the other server, you need to create a process to do that. > When Mailman makes changes by adding or deleting lists or when it is > started, it updates the postfix_lmtp and postfix_domains files and > calls a command (normally postmap) to update the corresponding .db > files. The command can be set by setting `postmap_command` in the > `[postfix]` section in mailman.cfg. I'm not able to find any documentation about `postmap_command`, not even in the schema.cfg. If I have to provide method to update the postfix_lmtp and postfix_domains on another server, then it would have to something like sftp? mailman changes the files on the mailman server (in a location I set) and then postmap_command copies those files to the destination on the MTA server. Is that in principle what needs to be done? thanks again! Roland

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 in virtualenv - FreeBSD-11

by Odhiambo Washington

I am keeping all of my steps in a text file. If I end up with a functional install, then I believe FreeBSD users will be able to install MM3 using virtualenv. I am banking on the help of the experts here to achieve that and document it. So far, I don't know anyone who is using FreeBSD who has managed to install and run MM3. This will be the first time anyone has ever done it. I therefore beg all of you to accommodate my stupidity. I'm 50 in April so it's not a mean feat 😂 😂 On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 23:10 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net wrote: > On 1/11/19 6:51 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > Now that I look at it, I think you should clarify that if one is not > > interested in using PostgreSQL (which is what `pip install > psycopg2-binary` > > is for), > > then there should be some different binary they need to install, no? And > > which one is it? > > > I have added a note to the comment at > https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience which > says: > > """Also, please note the first paragraph of the introduction. This is > documentation of my decisions and experiences. It is not a how-to and > does not replace the documentation at http://docs.list.org/""" > > In particular, documentation of the requirements for different databases > is at > <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/database.html>. > > > > Under your "*Recommended Configuration*", I have followed each step, > > getting the files and editing them to suite my needs, until I got to > where > > you refer to: > > /opt/mailman/mm/settings.py (copy of the mailman-suite settings.py file > but > > with DEBUG = False) > > I tried to get this file using `git clone > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman_suite.git` > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman_suite.git> and realized that > > authentication is required in order to get it. > > > Because you should be getting > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite.git> (hyphen, not underscore) > which works without authentication. > > Or you could just go to > < > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/blob/master/mailman-suite_project/… > > > and copy it from there. > > > > What is the reason you did not include a copy like for the rest?? > > > Because it's available on GitLab. > > > > I have created the executables - all of them. > > I have created the templates and did `find . -type f -exec sed -i.BAK 's/ > > mailman3.org/mydomain.name/g' {} \;` > > Maybe you should state explicitly that once one gets these templates, > they > > need to change the url to match theirs. You said it, but it doesn't come > out > > forcefully :0 > > > I added "Of course, if you use these you need to edit the URLs for your > site." > > > > In your "MTA" section, I suppose you need to be a little more generic as > > well and accommodate Exim users. > > First I suggest you clearly state that one needs to edit /opt/mailman/mm/ > > mailman.cf to ensure that the values under [mta] match what is required. > > Maybe there is a different file to edit for MTA settings??? > > > Again, I'm documenting MY experience, not trying to replace the official > documentation. I refer to > < > https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.html#postfix > > > because I use Postfix. That same page also has Exim documentation. > > > > So far ..... > > > > Next, I will be looking into "Running Things".... which is where I > believe > > things will get thicker .... > > > Perhaps when you're done you will write u your experiences with FreeBSD > and Exim. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problems with web interface after upgrade

by Victoriano Giralt

De: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> > On 2/9/21 3:26 PM, Victoriano Giralt wrote: >> >> It's CentOS7, but sassc was already installed and has -t as short for --style. > > You wrote > >> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}' > > It should be looking for just sassc, not 'sassc -t compressed {infile} > {outfile}'. Whats in your settings for COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS. I'll check this anyhow. > That may not be the issue. You also wrote > >> compressor.exceptions.FilterError: Error: It's not clear which file to >> import for '@import "../libs/bootstrap/stylesheets/bootstrap"'. >> Candidates: >> ../libs/bootstrap/stylesheets/_bootstrap.scss >> ../libs/bootstrap/stylesheets/bootstrap.scss >> Please delete or rename all but one of these files. >> on line 4 of static/hyperkitty/sass/hyperkitty.scss > > You need to remove the older of > > hyperkitty/static/hyperkitty/libs/bootstrap/stylesheets/bootstrap.scss > > and > > hyperkitty/static/hyperkitty/libs/bootstrap/stylesheets/_bootstrap.scss > > That may be the whole issue. And it was! You clearly have telepathy, as I was testing this while you were writing, and your message arrived when I had just clicked send on my "SOLVED" message :-D :-D -- Victoriano Giralt Sent from mobile device

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Digests not working correctly

by Joel Lord

Finally got a scenario where there was contents queued up for digest delivery and not enough traffic to kick off size based digest volumes. Running "/usr/local/bin/mailman digests --periodic --verbose" ran through all the lists and kicked out digests successfully. So something is making this work when I run it as the lists user by hand, but fail when I run it from cron as the lists user. Clearly this is on my end, I'll report back if I find anything useful or interesting. On 6/13/2023 2:14 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 6/13/23 10:58, Joel Lord wrote: >> I ran the "/usr/local/bin/mailman digests --periodic" again, sadly >> without the --verbose, and it kicked out the digests as it ought to >> have the first time. Now I have to wait for some list traffic to come >> in to "recharge" the digests so I have something to test with again. > > Even with the --verbose option, it wouldn't have helped much because it > worked. What we would really like to see is the output with the > --verbose option when it fails. > > It is a mystery to me why it would sometimes fail and sometimes not with > the same digest.mmdf file. > -- Joel Lord

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Getting connection timed out

by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au

>>>>> "Stephen" == Stephen J Turnbull <turnbull.stephen.fw(a)u.tsukuba.ac.jp> writes: Stephen> blackout69 writes: >> Il 23/05/21 01:21, Mark Sapiro ha scritto: > Can you successfully >> telnet to port 25 on mail.simail.it from the > Mailman server? No >> > If you can connect (via telnet) to port 25 on mail.simail.it from >> the > Mailman server, then I'd suggest stopping and restarting >> Postfix. >> >> if i try from the mail server i get >> >> telnet mail.simail.it 25 Trying 217.27.113.30... telnet: Unable to >> connect to remote host: Connection timed out Stephen> mail.simail.it is ignoring your mail server. This is not a Stephen> Mailman problem. 1. Check to see if that server has a Stephen> stated policy for "abusive" mail and some way of getting back Stephen> in their good graces. 2. Check if your mail server is in Stephen> the RBLs. Some of them are very aggressive about adding IPs Stephen> and domains. 3. Try writing the postmaster at Stephen> mail.simail.it. 4. Ask your subscriber(s) at mail.simail.it Stephen> to write their postmaster. Also check your firewall rules. Outgoing port 25 is usually blocked by ISPs unless you explicitly ask for it not to be. Peter C

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: import an mm3 hyperkitty archive

by Eggert Ehmke

Thank you Mark, this got me on the right track. But I still think this not at all clear when reading the docs. My system is in a venv. I had to run these commands: mailman-web hyperkitty_import --since=01.01.2022 -l mylist@mydomain my-mbox-file mailman-web update_index_one_list mylist@mydomain Where is it stated that in this situation I have to run mailman-web instead of django-admin? Thanks anyway, problem solved. Am Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2022, 17:51:58 CET schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 12/7/22 05:57, Eggert Ehmke wrote: > > I was able to export the archive of my old mm3 installation in hyperkitty. > > However, I seem to be blind when looking for hyperkitty_import in the > > documentation. Where to start? > > There is documentation at > <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/development.html#im > porting-the-current-archives> and also at > <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html#upgrade-strategy>. > You can also run `django-admin hyperkitty_import --help`. The docs refer > to importing messages from MM 2.1, but you can import messages from any > unix like mbox file. > > Note in the above, `django-admin` is the command you use to invoke > Django's management which may be `django-admin`, `manage.py`, > `mailman-web` or something else depending on how Mailman is installed.

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Member Issue Discovered

by Brian Carpenter

On 10/29/20 11:26 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/29/20 5:17 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> On 10/29/20 4:27 AM, Alex Schuilenburg via Mailman-users wrote: >>> On 29/10/2020 01:57, Brian Carpenter wrote: >>>> With Mailman 3, every list owner has the ability to remove a reply in >>>> a thread, a complete thread, and even the entire archives. That is a >>>> welcome difference from MM2 in my opinion. >>> A very welcome difference, only I don't see this option in the web >>> interface of my debian 3.2.1 installation. Is this a shell only >>> option, 3.3 feature or configuration option I have missed? >> It is not a shell option. It can be done via Hyperkitty but I am not >> sure when that feature showed up. > > Actually, with current HyperKitty, only site admins can remove messages > or threads or the archive. The ability for list owners to do it is > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/261>. Thanks Mark. To clarify more, we have this ability for List owners with our own custom admin interface (Affinity). I thought Postorius had that. When I checked out Postorius, I was indeed logged in as server owner. Sorry for the incorrect info. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Still unable to get mailman3 working on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 1/6/22 6:28 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > In my Debian configuration [mod_proxy_http.conf] is needed > > because it contains the necessary directives to enable proxying. > > Actually though, I think that's enabled as part of proxy. The Apache documentation strongly implies that this needs to be explicitly enabled by the admin: The forward proxy is activated using the ProxyRequests directive. Because forward proxies allow clients to access arbitrary sites through your server and to hide their true origin, it is essential that you secure your server so that only authorized clients can access the proxy before activating a forward proxy. By contrast for a reverse proxy: A reverse proxy is activated using the ProxyPass directive or the [P] flag to the RewriteRule directive. It is not necessary to turn ProxyRequests on in order to configure a reverse proxy. Both are from https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/mod_proxy.html. > However, see > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > I now suspect the real issue is there's no wsgi server listening on port > 8000. Could be. Apache docs notwithstanding, I'm happy to trust your intuition, and that would make things simple for the OP. :-) Steve

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Broken web UI after upgrade - SOLVED

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 9:59 AM Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 9:33 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> On 12/16/22 22:21, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> > >> > I suggest you look at ownership and permissions. >> > >> > ``` >> > find /opt/mailman/mm/static/ -not -user mailman >> > find /opt/mailman/mm/static/ -not -perm -u+rw >> > find /opt/mailman/mm/static/ -type d -not -perm -u+x >> > ``` >> > and the same on >> > /opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/ >> > >> > >> >> If the above doesn't reveal anything substantial, then let me know and >> I >> >> can bump up the verbosity. >> > >> > >> > I don't know if --verbosity 3 will reveal anything or not. You could >> try. >> >> >> Did you see the post at >> < >> https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…>? >> >> Have you tried >> ``` >> django-admin clear_cache >> > > (venv) mailman@list:~$ /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin clear_cache > Cache "default" has been cleared! > (venv) mailman@list:~$ ls -al /opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/ > total 16 > drwxr-xr-x 4 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 16 22:01 . > drwxr-xr-x 9 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 4 06:38 .. > drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 16 22:01 css > drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 16 22:01 js > (venv) mailman@list:~$ ls -al /opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/css/ > total 8 > drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 16 22:01 . > drwxr-xr-x 4 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 16 22:01 .. > (venv) mailman@list:~$ ls -al /opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/js/ > total 8 > drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 16 22:01 . > drwxr-xr-x 4 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 16 22:01 .. > (venv) mailman@list:~$ > > So all the css files that were in /opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/css/ are > gone after running `django-admin clear_cache`. > > After that, I did run my mailman-post-update script again which created > dirfferent files under CACHE/css/ as the date shows > (venv) mailman@list:~$ ls -al /opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/ > total 20 > drwxr-xr-x 4 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 16 22:46 . > drwxr-xr-x 9 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 4 06:38 .. > drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 16 22:46 css > drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 16 22:46 js > -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 621 Dec 16 22:46 manifest.json > (venv) mailman@list:~$ ls -al /opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/css/ > total 176 > drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 16 22:46 . > drwxr-xr-x 4 mailman mailman 4096 Dec 16 22:46 .. > -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 162923 Dec 16 22:46 output.1d3a3c0dd51d.css > -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 1209 Dec 16 22:46 output.9a7b11621c5a.css > -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 569 Dec 16 22:46 output.e68c4908b3de.css > (venv) mailman@list:~$ > > I then rebooted the system just to be sure everything is restarted. > > And the PROBLEM IS SOLVED :-) > > Thank you very much for your time spent in following this up with me to > the conclusion. > So just for the record, I have added the clear_cache option to the script. Maybe this will benefit someone else one day. <CUT> #!/bin/bash set -e BINDIR="/opt/mailman/mm/bin" CONFDIR="/opt/mailman/mm" SETTINGS="settings" DJANGO_CONTROL_SCRIPT="$BINDIR/django-admin" STATIC_DIR="$CONFDIR/static" DEBUG="False" set -x if [ "$DEBUG" == "False" ]; then mkdir -p "$STATIC_DIR" || : "$DJANGO_CONTROL_SCRIPT" clear_cache "$DJANGO_CONTROL_SCRIPT" collectstatic --clear --noinput --verbosity 0 "$DJANGO_CONTROL_SCRIPT" compress "$DJANGO_CONTROL_SCRIPT" compilemessages fi syncdb_cmd="$DJANGO_CONTROL_SCRIPT migrate" if [[ ! -t 1 ]]; then # stdout is not a terminal syncdb_cmd="$syncdb_cmd --noinput" fi $syncdb_cmd echo 'Do you want to rebuild the search index? This takes a long time.' echo 'Type "Yes" to continue; anything else to quit.' read -p "> " response if [ "x$response" != "xYes" ] ; then exit; fi "$DJANGO_CONTROL_SCRIPT" update_index </CUT> The important thing here is that after an update, it helps to run the following 4 options with your "django-admin" script (whatever it is named) - clear_cache, collectstatic, compress, compilemessages. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Fwd: Re: Removing a mail addresses and users

by Allan Hansen

All, This disconnect between Mailman Core and Django and Postorius is, by far, the weakest and, for subscribers, most confusing aspect of MM3 (once it has been installed, which is extremely hard and confusing). In a true account-centric system, you set up a web account and from there manage your emails and, for each email, your subscriptions. Subscription options would be hierarchical: account/email/list, with lower levels inheriting/overriding settings from/the level above. That’s really what I had expected when I pushed for us to move our 50 email lists to MM3 and I was very excited about the prospect, as it would solve a lot of system/subscriber management issues I had managing MM2. Alas, I was very surprised that that’s not how MM3 works. Some things got harder, even, such as the inability to change subscription addresses, which should have been a showstopper from the start! I still hope that MMxx OOTB will get there, but I guess it’ll be along haul. Would we be talking about MM4 to be released 20 years from now? Some dedicated and skilled developers are currently investing heavily in a replacement for Postorius, but I really believe that any work is better spent transforming Mailman Core etc. into a true account-based system. Then, and only then, will it make sense to build new and better interfaces on top, as, without a healthy core, such interface will currently may have to inherit the confusion and disconnect that currently is so aggravating. The above is not meant to aggravate the MM3 development team, for which I have utmost respect and gratitude, and which I admire for their tireless support given over decades to the community of admins. Software development is devilishly hard and time consuming. Yours, Allan Hansen hansen(a)rc.org > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> > Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Removing a mail addresses and users > Date: June 10, 2020 at 12:46:01 PDT > To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > > On 6/10/20 10:23 AM, Abhijith PA via Mailman-users wrote: >> Hello. >> >> I tried to remove random email address signing ups (which I signed up >> while testing) via admin panel. After removing I tried to sign up again, >> but I am getting, >> >> 'A user is already registered with this e-mail address' > > You removed the user's subscription from the list, but you didn't remove > the user from the system. > > Mailman3 has a concept of `user` which didn't exist in Mailman 2.1. > User's have addresses and a user or one of the user's addresses can > belong to a list with one or more roles (non-member, member, moderator > or owner) > > >> Combing through the database, I found auth_user table in mailman3web db >> still contain those mail address. How to wipe email address entirely >> from the db so I can signup again without the 'forget password' method > > There are a couple of things. If you log in to the web UI as a django > superuser, you can go to the django admin UI -> Users section and delete > the User, but I think that will only delete the web user and not delete > the user from Mailman core. > > You can also log in to the web UI as the user and go to > <https://lists.mailman3.org/user-profile/delete>, but that again only > deletes the web user, and if you could do that, you could just subscribe > once you're logged in, so I assume that's what you want to avoid. > > I don't think there is a way for a user as opposed to a site admin to > delete her user record from Mailman core and even for a site admin, > there's no way in Postorius to delete a user from core. It has to be > done via REST > <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/…> > or `mailman shell`. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Moderation not working?

by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au

>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> writes: Mark> On 11/24/20 12:30 PM, peter(a)chubb.wattle.id.au wrote: >> >> Hi Folks, Running a shiny new instance of mailman3, as per the >> Debian package (version 3.2.2) but the moderation doesn't seem to >> work. WE got hit by a heap of spammers overnight, even though the >> 'hold for moderation' bit is set for non-members (and now for >> members too). Mark> If the action for member posts was accept ot default processing Mark> at the time, perhaps the spam spoofed a member address in one of Mark> From:, Reply-To:, Sender: or the envelope sender, Nope ... >> Emails seem just to get straight through. Mark> Even now with both member and non-member actions set to hold? Haven't seen any emails since setting that bit, so can't tell yet. The only think I noticed after trawling through all the configs is there was no moderator address set up. In Mailman 2.1 that meant the list owner would be asked to moderate. I've added a couple of addresses to see what happens next For other lists on the same mailman instance I *am* seeing moderation requests for non-member postings --- but they had explicit moderator addresses configured. Peter C

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: is there a mailman command/setting to periodically clean archives?

by David Newman

On 12/29/21 4:11 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 12/29/21 3:58 PM, William Oliver wrote: >> >> I'd like to delete all my archives that are more than a certain age, >> e.g. more than a week old. I can easily do that with a cron job, >> deleting old files in >> >> >> /opt/mailman/mm/var/archives/prototype/testlist(a)example.com/* >> >> which is, as far as I can see the only place archive emails live. > > > Those are emails archived in the prototype archiver. That's all the > prototype archiver does - store the mail there. The HyperKitty archived > emails are stored in the mailmanweb database in the hyperkitty_email > table. Attachments are in the hyperkitty_attachment table and other > tables are also involved. As a followup: Is there any need or advantage to running both the prototype and hyperkitty archivers? I did an installation following the venv directions, and it looks as though the system now uses both archivers. If this is a duplication of effort and storage, is it safe to disable the prototype archiver like this: # /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg .. [archiver.prototype] enable: no and then delete anything under here? /opt/mailman/mm/var/archives/prototype/ Thanks dn

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem with list creation

by Abhilash Raj

On Thu, Sep 17, 2020, at 4:17 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Mark Sapiro writes: > > On 9/16/20 8:25 AM, Pawel Grzywaczewski wrote: > > > > We increased timeout in mailman.cfg > > This looks like the issue in Shashikanth's post, too: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > They are also creating more than 1000 lists. > > Do we know why these timeouts are happening? (Search for "list > creation times out" returns no results in either core or Postorius > issues.) This is the first time I am actually seeing this. I tried hammering a local server with default number of workers, 2, and created 5000 lists in a loop and went through pretty smooth. I am probably not replicating the exact situation, I am using the sqlite database (which I presumed would be slow and choke up faster but...it didn't). Creating list isn't one of the slow operations AFAIK, so I am actually surprised that it needs increasing timeout. It could be the interaction with database layer maybe, but I can't be sure without more debugging. > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: New installation, new issue: mailman3 migrate -- no module CommonMark

by Bill Oliver

On Sun, 2024-10-27 at 10:01 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/27/24 05:13, Bill Oliver wrote: > > > > (venv) mailman@mail:~$ pip freeze | grep readme > > readme-renderer==17.4 > > > Which is over 6 years old. Howat did that get installed? Current > version > is 44.0. There may or may not be an issue with the current version as > it > imports cmarkgfm which is in the venv of all the MM 3 installations I > support, but I don't know how it gets there as even though > readme_renderer imports it, it is not listed as required by > readme_renderer or anything else. > > In any case, in your venv, do > ``` > pip install --update readme_renderer cmarkgfm > ``` > That did the trick, though I had to use --upgrade instead of --update. Thanks... Now on to the next step. I don't know about the libraries. Here's my mailman info. It seems like the right version of python. (venv) mailman@mail:~$ mailman info GNU Mailman 3.3.10 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.10.12 (main, Sep 11 2024, 15:47:36) [GCC 11.4.0] config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg db url: postgresql://mailman:qazASD%401cko@localhost/mailman devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ REST credentials: restadmin:restpass Thanks for your help! billo

9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Changes in Django admin interface are not syncing to postorius gui /database

by ulf.rapphahn＠offis.de

Mark Sapiro wrote: > Lists, not Mailman lists. When you create a list in Postorius or Mailman > core, this is a Mailman list. A corresponding HyperKitty list will also > be created if hyperkitty is one of the active archivers for the list so > you see it in Django. > When you create a list in Django, it is only a HyperKitty list and will > be visible in HyperKitty, but no Mailman list is created so the list is > not in Mailman/Postorius. Thank you (also for Odhiambo) Now remains one question: We have a (internal) Active Directory (AD) Authentication for Mailman3. So everyone who wants to work as an owner nor moderator must be an AD-User. In hyperkitty I am able to assign these list rights directly to AD-Loginnames. With the logic above I have to assign these rights in postorius too by assining the mail address of the users AD-Account? (I see no AD-Data here). Or would it works to assing the mail address of the users AD-Account first an then the allocation will automaticly synced to hyperkitty - maybe using the mail address as key? What would be the best practice for owner/moderator user management? Thank you!

8 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Error: 451 Requested action aborted

by Hagen Bauer

On 16.11.18 00:41, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/15/18 8:23 AM, Hagen Bauer wrote: >> Hi >> I am running mailman in docker and I start to receive this error when my >> postfix tries to deliver a mail >> >> said: 451 Requested action aborted: error in processing (in reply to end >> of DATA command)) >> >> Any idea what is going wrong and where to look for problems? > > > Is there more information in the Postfix mail.log? > > no, in postfix this is the only entry. But I believe I solved one problem and now have to work on the next one. First I saw this error in in a log file ERROR could not translate host name "database" to address: Name does not resolve Based on this hint https://github.com/moby/moby/issues/8425 adding external dns server made this message go away. Now I find this error in my logs. : ERROR: xlog flush request 0/1FA5640 is not satisfied --- flushed only to 0/1E9C7A0 CONTEXT: writing block 0 of relation base/16384/16525 I believe this is related to some sort of database corruption but since I have no idea about postgres I am not sure (I chose the docker images because I didnt want to care about the Internals) any suggestions are welcome

6 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: SUBSCRIBE_FORM_SECRET in MM3?

by Phil Stracchino

On 2020-01-30 12:01, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 1/30/20 1:50 AM, Gila Halpern wrote: >> I've been looking into ways to prevent spam on my company's list, and one thing I came across was the SUBSCRIBE_FORM_SECRET option in the Mailman configuration, which embeds a CSRF token into the form, and prevents it from being submitted until five seconds after it renders, to keep bots from subscribing. Unfortunately, the information I found pertained to Mailman 2. Does this option exist in MM3 as well, or is there a similar option? > > > This feature in MM 2.1 is not very effective. On mail.python.org, this > feature as well as reCAPTCHA is enabled (e.g. > <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>) and we still > get periodic attacks of robotic subscribes that get around these measures. Human verification vs. verification-defeating countermeasures is an ongoing arms race which, frankly, humans have been losing for a long time. I have more than once commented, not entirely joking, that we're reaching a point where *FAILURE* to complete the CAPTCHA is evidence that you're a human. We need to come up with a better verification paradigm than presenting increasingly difficult puzzles which AI agents are better overall at solving than humans are. -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications phils(a)caerllewys.net phil(a)co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958

5 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 reinstall fail, need some help

by Yvan ♞

Hello every body I have progress to try to reinstall mailman3 on yunohost server but I still have an error, if somebody can help me as I don't understand the log https://paste.yunohost.org/raw/ugijepuyuv Sincerely. Yvan Le 14/03/2022 à 16:31, Yvan ♞ a écrit : > Ok thanks, I'll try on debian forum as I already unsuccessfully tried > on yunohost since 6 months. > > Le 14/03/2022 à 16:23, Mark Sapiro a écrit : >> On 3/14/22 08:12, Yvan ♞ wrote: >>> Maybe an idea of my problem as I have pgadmin app installed, it >>> could be in conflict to create a postgresql db? >> >> Your original dbug logs seem to show no issue with postgresql. >> >> I don't think people on this list can be much help for installing the >> Debian package on YunoHost. As I said earlier, I would go first to >> YunoHost for help and then to Debian if necessary. >> >> If you want help from us, I recommend installing as documented at >> https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html >> > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: combine postorius and hyperkitty into one Apache vhost

by Eggert Ehmke

So you prefer Gunicorn over uWSGI? When I have a working installation that uses uwsgi, should I reconfigure for Gunicorn? At the moment I see no reason for this, and while I am open for alternate solutions, ... ´ never change a running system Am Donnerstag, 29. Dezember 2022, 21:48:54 CET schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 12/29/22 05:51, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm in the process to set up a new mailman3 site. > > (Migrating from mailman2) > > > > There are RPMs for my distribution which integrate postorius and > > hyperkitty with uwsgi. > > I think you'll be much happier if you don't use the distro's RPMs which > are probably out of date and instead follow > <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html>. Those > instructions use uWSGI as a WSGI interface, but Gunicorn > <https://gunicorn.org/> is what is used on the site supporting this > list. The advantages of Gunicorn are it's already installed as a > dependency of Mailman core, and it's what the Mailman developers are > more familiar with. > > I'll work on updating > <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html> to include > Gunicorn as an alternative.

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Upgrade to 3.3.2 fails

by Joel Lord

On 12/26/2020 3:07 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > As far as utf8mb4 vs. utf8 is concerned. There will be issues with the > hyperkitty_email table subject and content columns in particular and > maybe others if email messages contain 4-byte utf-8 unicodes. However, > as I read the MySQL docs, for columns like VARCHAR(255) and > VARCHAR(510), the difference affects only the number of characters that > can be stored in the column and not the actual column width. I.e., a > VARCHAR(255) column is actually up to 256 bytes wide (1 byte for length > and up to 255 butes of data) and can thus hold up to 85 3-byte utf-8 > encodings or up to 63 4-byte utf-8 encodings, but since any string > normally contains only a few if any (probably none in the case of the > mailinglist table) the actual limit is much closer to 85. > Earlier I had attempted changing the encoding and collation and manually adding the new column, and it failed with the same error. This fits with Mark's explanation of how the column size and encoding go together. I just ran an "optimize table mailinglist;" and then the update ran clean. Thanks for the eyeballs today, no idea why that would have worked but now we're up and running. -- Joel Lord

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] [SOLVED] Re: Re: Help with Newbie error -- I think I deleted my server

by William Oliver

On Fri, 2021-12-24 at 21:12 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 12/24/21 8:22 PM, William Oliver wrote: > > > > I clicked on that, and it took me to a page where I could add > > servers. > > So, I added my real domain (libertyfp.org) It successfully added > > it, > > so I decided that I clearly didn't need "example.com" as a server, > > and > > deleted it using the same page. > > > > Immediately, I got an "internal server error" and have now lost all > > web > > interfaces. I tried restarting the daemons and rebooting the box, > > to > > no avail. > > > You have to set SITE_ID in your Django settings to the correct value > for > your site. See > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/faq.html#the-domain-name-displayed-in-h… > > Joy! You are a lifesaver. I had to guess at the ID number, but "2" worked. Just out of curiosity, if I could not have guessed a valid ID number and did not have the admin interface, how could I have figured out what site IDs were available? Thanks. billo

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Archive search failing on one list

by Mark

On 2023-09-24 13:28, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 9/23/23 19:19, Mark wrote: >> >> Yes, the query returns a result and the case in "name" matches that in >> the query ... >> >> select * from hyperkitty_mailinglist where name like >> 'listname(a)domain.com' >> >> id | 91 >> name | listname(a)domain.com >> display_name | Listname >> description | ... >> subject_prefix | [Listname] >> archive_policy | 1 >> created_at | 2023-09-21 08:55:36.385239+2 >> list_id | listname(a)domain.com > > Is that really what you get for list_id? It should have a dot, not at > as listname.domain.com. > > What if you do something like the following where django-admin is > whatever command you use for the Django admin command. > ``` > $ django-admin shell > Python 3.9.16 (main, Dec 11 2022, 12:49:23) > [GCC 9.4.0] on linux > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. > (InteractiveConsole) >>>> from hyperkitty.models.mailinglist import MailingList >>>> mlist_name = 'listname(a)domain.com' >>>> mlist = MailingList.objects.get(name=mlist_name) >>>> mlist > <MailingList listname(a)domain.com (listname.domain.com)> >>>> > ``` My bad. I was in too much of a hurry when redacting. The list_id is as you say: listname.domain.com

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mysterious Bounces Being Logged

by Allan Hansen

All, Appreciation to Brian for bringing this up. After upgrading to MM3, a lot of legitimate users' subscriptions on my lists have been disabled even though they still get at least some messages (according to them), while some were correctly disabled. Yes, I need to be informed of bounces, because when the accounts get disabled, I don't want my reply to be 'Huh? I don't have a clue why.' I reported this before. Yours, Allan On 3/26/21, 14:08 , "Brian Carpenter" <brian_carpenter(a)emwd.com> wrote: On 3/26/21 2:59 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > They are being bounced by a downstream MTA. If you want to know why, you > have a few choices. You can mail the address yourself and hopefully get > a DSN back. You can install this patch: I would think any mail administrator for a mailman server would want to know why bounces are happening. I never saw this issue with Mailman 2. Did it exist? Is the patch going to make it to the next version of Mailman 3 core? Are there any plans to make bounce processing more transparent to server admins so we can troubleshoot delivery issues? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moving existing lists to a new domain

by Jeremy Stanley

On 2024-09-18 16:36:50 -0700 (-0700), Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 9/18/24 10:13, Jeremy Stanley wrote: [...] > > Since all the lists for the given domain will be moving to the same > > unused new domain on the existing server, and can move at the same > > time, I suppose this could be done through (offline if necessary) > > backend database update queries. [...] > ``` > UPDATE mailinglist SET mail_host = 'new.domain' WHERE mail_host = > 'old_domain'; > ``` [...] > ``` > UPDATE mailinglist SET list_id = CONCAT(list_name, '.', mail_host) WHERE > mail_host = 'new_domain'; > ``` > For HyperKitty, similar changes need to be made to the > hyperkitty_mailinglist table. The `name` column entries need to be changed > from `listname(a)old.domain` to `listname(a)new.domain` and the `list_id` column > entries need to be changed from `listname.old.domain` to > `listname.new.domain` Preparing to test this, I poked around the schema a bit and noticed that the domain names are also embedded as strings in the following fields: django_mailman3_maildomain.mail_domain django_site.domain django_site.name domain.mail_host Can anyone think of any additional tables/columns which would need updating for this? I'll see if scanning a dump of the full DB content turns up anything I might be missing too. Thanks again! -- Jeremy Stanley

8 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman notify generating emails for request that aren't visible.

by Simon Coggins

Oops sorry I hit send to soon. If I try to go to /lists/listname.example.com/unsubscription_requests<http://listname.example.com/unsubscription_requests> I get a 404, it looks like unsubscription_requests<http://listname.example.com/unsubscription_requests> isn’t in my urls.py list for Postorius? (venv) [mailman@mailman postorius]$ grep version __init__.py # Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or (at your option) # any later version. __version__ = '1.3.4' (venv) [mailman@mailman postorius]$ grep _requests urls.py url(r'^subscription_requests$', list_views.list_subscription_requests, name='list_subscription_requests'), I’m upgrading this week to: django-mailman3 1.3.7 mailman 3.3.5 mailman-hyperkitty 1.2.0 mailmanclient 3.3.3 postorius 1.3.6 And I’ve just confirmed that 1.3.6 does have the url endpoint. So I’m guessing it came in in 1.3.5+? (venv) [mailman@mailman-dev postorius]$ grep version __init__.py # Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or (at your option) # any later version. __version__ = '1.3.6' (venv) [mailman@mailman-dev postorius]$ grep _requests urls.py re_path(r'^subscription_requests$', list_views.list_subscription_requests, name='list_subscription_requests'), re_path(r'^unsubscription_requests$', list_views.list_unsubscription_requests, name='list_unsubscription_requests'), -Simon --- [https://www.cqu.edu.au/] Mr Simon Coggins Principal Systems Engineer | Digital Services Directorate CQUniversity Australia, Level 6.14, 160 Ann Street, Brisbane, QLD 4000 P +61 7 3295 1182 | X 51182 | M +61 408 115 861 | E s.coggins(a)cqu.edu.au<mailto:s.coggins@cqu.edu.au> [https://www.cqu.edu.au/social-media] I respectfully acknowledge the Traditional Owners of the land on which we work and learn, and pay respect to the First Nations Peoples and their Elders, past, present and future. This communication may contain privileged or confidential information. If you have received this in error, please return to sender and delete. CRICOS: 00219C | RTO Code 40939 On 1 Nov 2021, at 12:15 pm, Simon Coggins <s.coggins(a)cqu.edu.au<mailto:s.coggins@cqu.edu.au>> wrote: The version of postorius is 1.3.4 django-mailman3 1.3.5 mailman 3.3.4 mailman-hyperkitty 1.1.0 mailmanclient 3.3.2 postorius 1.3.4 --- [https://www.cqu.edu.au/] Mr Simon Coggins Principal Systems Engineer | Digital Services Directorate CQUniversity Australia, Level 6.14, 160 Ann Street, Brisbane, QLD 4000 P +61 7 3295 1182 | X 51182 | M +61 408 115 861 | E s.coggins(a)cqu.edu.au<mailto:s.coggins@cqu.edu.au> [https://www.cqu.edu.au/social-media] I respectfully acknowledge the Traditional Owners of the land on which we work and learn, and pay respect to the First Nations Peoples and their Elders, past, present and future. This communication may contain privileged or confidential information. If you have received this in error, please return to sender and delete. CRICOS: 00219C | RTO Code 40939 On 1 Nov 2021, at 12:04 pm, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net<mailto:mark@msapiro.net>> wrote: On 10/31/21 6:11 PM, Simon Coggins wrote: > Hi, > > We’re running mailman 3.3.4 (about to upgrade to 3.3.5 this week). I enabled mailman notify cron a few weeks ago to email out any pending requests for admins. I’ve now got multiple lists that keep emailing out the same outstanding holds but they can’t visible in the GUI. The requests are all duplicates as well. This is a redacted example email: > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-alerts(a)example.com<mailto:mailman-alerts@example.com><mailto:mailman-alerts@example.com> > Sent: Monday, 1 November 2021 8:10 AM > To: somelist-owner(a)lists.example.com<mailto:somelist-owner@lists.example.com><mailto:somelist-owner@lists.example.com> > Subject: The somelist(a)lists.example.com<mailto:somelist@lists.example.com><mailto:somelist@lists.example.com> list has 4 moderation requests waiting. > > The somelist(a)lists.example.com<mailto:somelist@lists.example.com><mailto:somelist@lists.example.com> list has 4 moderation requests waiting. > > Held Unsubscriptions: > User: john.smith(a)maildomain.com<mailto:john.smith@maildomain.com><mailto:john.smith@maildomain.com> > User: john.smith(a)maildomain.com<mailto:john.smith@maildomain.com><mailto:john.smith@maildomain.com> > User: john.smith(a)maildomain.com<mailto:john.smith@maildomain.com><mailto:john.smith@maildomain.com> > User: john.smith(a)maildomain.com<mailto:john.smith@maildomain.com><mailto:john.smith@maildomain.com> > > Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. Your lists are configured with Un-Subscription Policy moderate or confirm, then moderate so unsubs require Moderator approval. What Postorius version is this? Prior to 1.3.3, unsubsubscription requests were not visible in Postorius. In 1.3.3_+ they are available in the Subscription requests dropdown at https://example.com/mailman3/lists/listname.example.com/unsubscription_requ…<https://example.com/mailman3/lists/listname.example.com/unsubscription_requ…> although they may not be counted in the Subscription requests count badge. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net<mailto:mark@msapiro.net>> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org<mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org<mailto:mailman-users-leave@mailman3.org> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/<https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org>

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman notify generating emails for request that aren't visible.

by Abhilash Raj

> On Nov 1, 2021, at 9:07 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 10/31/21 10:42 PM, Simon Coggins wrote: >> Looking at the code in gitlab it looks like it wasn’t merged until 1.3.6: >> https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/blob/1.3.6/src/postorius/urls.py#L53 >> But it’s not in 1.3.5: >> https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/blob/1.3.5/src/postorius/urls.py#L49 > > > Yes, I was mistaken. That code was merged on 14 Feb 2021 and is not in Postorius 1.3.4 which was released on 2 Feb. It should have been in 1.3.5 and I don't know why it is not at https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/blob/1.3.5/src/postorius/urls.py#L49, but that is moot in any case. > 1.3.5 was a security release with no fixed included. It was branched off from 1.3.4 and only the security fix was applied. One Gitlab pro tip is when you are trying to determine which particular release a particular commit is included in, you can click on the the “…” three dots next to "parent 6096958a master” just under the title and it will show all the tags and branches that this commit is included in. https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/commit/0aba874cae15b1baae2839dca57d3… for example, is included in 1.3.6b1, 1.3.6 and jquery and master branch. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Show diplay_name in a list

by Abhilash Raj

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, at 6:33 AM, Joel Lord wrote: > On 9/29/19 5:59 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> Any idea what I was missing there? > > Often, member.display_name doesn't exist or is "None". > This seems to also be the problem that I submitted a while back (6 > months ago?) that the notification to the moderator of subscription > requests, which should include both display name and email address of > the requestor, only has the email address. We've been trying to track > the problem down in code but it keeps going deeper and deeper... This should be the UI trying to unconditionally convert a Python object to string. Name string transforms correctly, but since the absence of a name is denoted by a None object (as opposed to an empty string ''), the renderer mindlessly converts it to "None". It could be fixed with a simple {% if member.display_name is not None %}{{ member.display_name }}{% endif %} in the right place in the Django template. > > -- > Joel Lord > Web Administrator, Alpha Psi Omega Grand Cast > etc... etc... etc... > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Whitelist non subscriber

by Stephan Krinetzki

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 08/06/2018 06:43 AM, Stephan Krinetzki wrote: > > > The steps are as follows, right? > > - Add users to the list and give the role "nonmember" > > - Set moderation action ('defer' or 'accept') > > Right. Good. So i understand it :) > > > > The only thing missing in the documentation is a note on how to do > > this via the Admin API. Who can explain that to me? > > Can you be more specific about what you are looking for? If by "Admin > API" you mean the REST API, are you asking how to interact with it or > what specific POST/PUT/PATCH commands to send? > > Or are you asking about the 'mailman shell' command? > With Admin API I mean the REST API from the localhost. Whether it's the REST API, the Mailman shell or the Admin API, I personally don't care. The only important thing is that we can set and use this role. However, I think that's settled anyway, since you're writing > > Also, we want to expose the nonmember role in Postorius and enable > setting moderation action for nonmembers, but we didn't get that in MM > 3.2/Postorius 1.2. So the whitelistening is not working at the moment, right?

6 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Subscription requires confirmation when list is set as Open

by Joachim Schrod

Mark Sapiro writes: > > > I maintain a mailing list for a private holiday where people don't > > subscribe themselves; I subscribe them. I have vetted their email > > address beforehand. (The subscribers are mostly not able to handle a > > verification email, nor any email-based workflow at all.) Is there a > > configuration option for a mailing list that sets "Pre Verified" to > > true as a default? > > > This is https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/563 it was fixed > by https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/930 which was > later extended by > https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/945 however these > are not available until Postorius 1.3.14 which is not yet released. > > These add a setting, POSTORIUS_DEFAULTS, which can be used to set these > defaults. E.g., setting > > POSTORIUS_DEFAULTS = {'mass_subscription_pre_verify': True} > > will set the default for Pre Verified to True. So far, the only defaults > that can be set in this manner are mass_subscription_pre_confirm, > mass_subscription_pre_approve, mass_subscription_pre_verify and > mass_subscription_invite and those not until Postorius 1.3.14, but more > may be added. Thanks a lot for this info -- I'm looking forward for an upcoming Postorius 1.3.14 release! ;-) :-) Happy holidays and a good new year to everyone, Joachim

7 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Rejection Reason for refusing a subscription request

by Abhilash Raj

> On Mar 27, 2021, at 3:03 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 3/27/21 2:08 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> I was testing out the process of rejecting an incoming subscription >> request. Choosing the reject option for a moderated subscription request >> does send out a rejection notice but it gives no reason for the >> rejection. > ... >> Is there a place somewhere in Postorius to provide a rejection reasons >> for moderated subscription requests? Does Mailman 3 core provide this >> via its REST api but it is just not revealed in Postorius yet? > > > It's in Postorius since 1.3.3. If in the held message view, you click > the subject of a held message, you get a popup dialog the shows the > message with options to also show headers or the raw message. There is > also a dropdown t=o set the poster's moderation action and a box for a > reject reason if you click the reject button in the dialog. > > Do you not see this? I guess Brian was asking about Subscription Requests. Support for specifying reason when rejecting subscription requests has been added in master and will be a part of next release, 1.3.5 most probably. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 postorius cannot retrieve template

by Andreas Barth

* Quanah Gibson-Mount (quanah(a)symas.com) [211104 22:59]: > > > --On Thursday, November 4, 2021 8:25 AM -0700 Mark Sapiro > <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > >On 11/4/21 5:04 AM, Wolfgang Bock via Mailman-users wrote: > >> > >>My conclusion: > >>I ask you to consider these experiences in an update for the mailman3 > >>packages in debian bullseye. It would save time, questions and nerves. > > > > > >Issues with Debian packaging should be directed to Debian. > > Or as previously discussed, the debian packages should be avoided entirely. I strongly disagree with that statement. Distribution packages have their own up- and downsides. Of course, how they are done is to be discussed with the distribution, so: if something is wrong with a debian package, please follow the instructions on bugs.debian.org on reporting bugs. However, they have the advantage that they're integrated with the distribution. They have the disadvantage that they're stable for some time - that is why it's called a stable release. If they have all the features someone wants, they usually work fine (and my first mm3-installation was the default debian package). If one looks for bleeding edge, of course that's not what one can expect from a distribution package - but that's also a feature. Andi

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Error after HyperKitty 1.3.x upgrade

by Florian Schulze

On 29 Jun 2020, at 23:40, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 6/29/20 1:38 AM, Florian Schulze wrote: >> Hi! >> >> After upgrading to HyperKitty 1.3.x I get the following error for >> qcluster: >> >> File ".../lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line >> 300, >> in pusher >> task = SignedPackage.loads(task[1]) >> File ".../lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_q/signing.py", line >> 31, >> in loads >> serializer=PickleSerializer) >> File ".../lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_q/core_signing.py", >> line >> 38, in loads >> return serializer().loads(data) >> File ".../lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_q/signing.py", line >> 44, >> in loads >> return pickle.loads(data) >> AttributeError: Can't get attribute 'process_task_result' on <module >> 'hyperkitty.tasks' from >> '.../lib/python3.7/site-packages/hyperkitty/tasks.py'> >> >> How do I recover from that? It seems like there are still persisted >> tasks in the qcluster queue using the old code from 1.2.x with the >> old >> locking implementation. > > Have you stopped ans started qcluster since upgrading? Yes > Are you running the Django periodic jobs? They were disabled because of the errors (someone else did the upgrade). I have enabled them again and will watch it and report back. Regards, Florian Schulze

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Emailing a list from the list server

by Mark Dadgar

On Jun 1, 2020, at 11:45 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 6/1/20 10:02 AM, Mark Dadgar wrote: >> >> I cannot email a list from an account on the list server itself (for example, programmatically by script, but also manually) using mail / mailx / mutt / etc from the command line. The emails just disappear into the ether. > > > What's in Postfix's mail.log? Jun 1 11:54:55 mail postfix/lmtp[238922]: 1F42613BEB5: to=<test3(a)pdc-racing.net>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.04, delays=0.02/0.01/0/0.02, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) smtp.log: Jun 01 11:54:55 2020 (238852) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 53402) Jun 01 11:54:55 2020 (238852) ('127.0.0.1', 53402) handling connection Jun 01 11:54:55 2020 (238852) ('127.0.0.1', 53402) Data: b'LHLO mail.pdc-racing.net' Jun 01 11:54:55 2020 (238852) ('127.0.0.1', 53402) Data: b'MAIL FROM:<mark(a)pdc-racing.net>' Jun 01 11:54:55 2020 (238852) ('127.0.0.1', 53402) sender: mark(a)pdc-racing.net Jun 01 11:54:55 2020 (238852) ('127.0.0.1', 53402) Data: b'RCPT TO:<test3(a)pdc-racing.net>' Jun 01 11:54:55 2020 (238852) ('127.0.0.1', 53402) recip: test3(a)pdc-racing.net Jun 01 11:54:55 2020 (238852) ('127.0.0.1', 53402) Data: b'DATA' Jun 01 11:54:55 2020 (238852) ('127.0.0.1', 53402) Data: b'QUIT' Jun 01 11:54:55 2020 (238852) ('127.0.0.1', 53402) connection lost Jun 01 11:54:55 2020 (238852) Connection lost during _handle_client() Test3 is a working mailman3 list. There are no posts held for moderation. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: {Spam?} Re: Monthly mailman-web job using a lot of memory

by Andy Smith

Hi, On Fri, Jul 01, 2022 at 12:57:41PM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I second Mark Dadgar's comment to replace whoosh with xapian. It > will help, although it requires rebuilding the entire search > index. Thanks both. Yes I am currently using whoosh which is the Debian packages' default. I decided to dramatically reduce the number of messages in our archives, as the vast majority of them are for lists that had never actually been looked at ever when under Mailman2, and external archives of them already exist. For ~6k messages it still took approx 16 hours to run that monthly job, and during that time spewed out thousands of these errors: Failed to remove document 'hyperkitty.email.29351' from Whoosh: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/haystack/backends/whoosh_backend.py", line 309, in remove self.index.delete_by_query(q=self.parser.parse('%s:"%s"' % (ID, whoosh_id))) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/whoosh/index.py", line 365, in delete_by_query w = self.writer() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/whoosh/index.py", line 464, in writer return SegmentWriter(self, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/whoosh/writing.py", line 515, in __init__ raise LockError whoosh.index.LockError …so I'm not even sure if it worked. I will definitely have to look in to switching to Xapian. Thanks, Andy

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Importing config and archives only partially succeeded?

by Eric Broens

Hi Mark, 1.Regarding the repeated access of /archives/api/mailman/urls seems to be related to mailman not being able to open port 25. This is weird because other mails have been distributed. The mailman log shows:Dec 12 22:16:48 2020 (1471) ACCEPT: < message id > Dec 12 22:16:52 2020 (1474) Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25 webserver logs:<host > - - [12/Dec/2020:22:16:50 +0100] "GET /archives/api/mailman/urls ?mlist=...&key=*** HTTP/1.1" 200 64 "-" "python-requests/2.25.0" <host > - - [12/Dec/2020:22:16:52 +0100] "GET /archives/api/mailman/urls?mlist=...&msgid=< message id >&key=*** HTTP/1.1" 200 105 "-" "python-requests/2.25.0" This last entry is repeated forever (until I stop the mailserver for a few minutes, but later on this happens again for other mails too). 2..Regarding the mails on the archive page, for most of the lists it is solved now. So probably one of the periodic jobs fixed that.The mailinglist which showed 0 participants 0 subscribers, does show now 0 participants 66 discussions.I have checked the member tables, and the members for this mailinglist are included there. 3.What I notice now too is that the hourly runjobs tasks don't seem to finish.I would have to check what they exactly do. Can I somehow activate logging for these? mailman 300042 300016 1 08:00 ? 00:09:18 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/django-admin runjobs hourly --pythonpath /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project --settings settingsmailman 302158 302149 2 09:00 ? 00:09:10 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/django-admin runjobs hourly --pythonpath /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project --settings settingsmailman 304513 304506 2 10:00 ? 00:09:38 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/django-admin runjobs hourly --pythonpath /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project --settings settingsmailman 308631 308620 3 11:00 ? 00:09:29 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/django-admin runjobs hourly --pythonpath /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project --settings settingsmailman 312847 312832 3 12:00 ? 00:09:15 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/django-admin runjobs hourly --pythonpath /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project --settings settingsmailman 317343 317332 4 13:00 ? 00:09:20 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/django-admin runjobs hourly --pythonpath /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project --settings settingsmailman 320079 320072 7 14:00 ? 00:09:08 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/django-admin runjobs hourly --pythonpath /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project --settings settingsmailman 322618 322610 13 15:00 ? 00:08:54 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/django-admin runjobs hourly --pythonpath /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project --settings settingsmailman 325205 325198 84 16:00 ? 00:06:56 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/django-admin runjobs hourly --pythonpath /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project --settings settings Best Regards,Eric On Sunday, December 13, 2020, 06:29:19 AM GMT+1, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: On 12/12/20 7:40 PM, Eric Broens via Mailman-users wrote: > There are no messages in var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/. At this time of the night (4:40 AM local time), there is no incoming mail. I'm not sure what is causing the repeated access of /archives/api/mailman/urls... This call comes from Mailman core in order to request the URL at which a message will be archived. It is called from mailman/src/mailman/handlers/rfc_2369.py when adding the Archived-At: header and from mailman/src/mailman/handlers/decorate.py in order to get the hyperkitty_url replacement value. I don't understand why it would be called repeatedly for the same message. Are there any clues in mailman.log. > I just noticed when clicking on "All Threads" or "Threads by month", the emails are displayed. The statistic however shows that there were no mails in the past month, while there actually are.When clicking "Recent", "Most Active", etc. the page shows "No discussions this month (yet)." What if you look at "threads by month" and select the current month? > Another observation. For one list, which is one of the more active ones, the bar diagram is not empty, while showing 0 participants and 0 discussions (see attached screenshot).This one however shows the mailthreads when opening the list. I think the basic issue is when you see no messages, HyperKitty, for whatever reason thinks there are no current messages. I'm not sure, but if there are recent posts, are they all in threads started more than 30 days ago? As far as all the participants/discussions counts being zero, I think one of the periodic jobs will fix that (possibly the daily recent_threads_cache job) -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Enable delivery

by Hirayama, Pat

Apologies, I should've said my "Mailman 3" server, not listserv. MTA logs do not show messages being sent to the member(s) in question, even though other members are being sent messages. Nothing out of the mailman server, and nothing received by our outbound Postfix MTAs. As for the CLI commands, I keep getting Attribute Error when I try them, like: /opt/mailman # mailman shell -l listname(a)mailman.tld Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. The variable 'm' is the listname(a)mailman.tld mailing list >>> from mailman.core.constants import system_preferences >>> mbr = m.members.get_member('user(a)domain.com.') >>> print(mbr.delivery_status) Traceback (most recent call last): File "<console>", line 1, in <module> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'delivery_status' >>> Thanks, -p Pat Hirayama Pronouns: he/him/his Systems Engineer IT | Systems Engineering Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center O 206.667.4856 phirayam(a)fredhutch.org ________________________________ From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent: Monday, December 9, 2024 18:38 To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Enable delivery CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. On 12/9/24 17:35, Hirayama, Pat wrote: > Greetings, > > I'm finding something a bit odd with our listserv. Please see https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman*20is*20not*20… > Some of the members of some of the lists are reporting that they aren't receiving messages sent to the list. When I review the member options for the person in question, I see that Delivery Status shows nothing selected (i.e. neither radio button is selected for Enabled or Disabled). If you look in the MTA logs is mail being sent to them. As far as the Delivery Status showing nothing, that means the member's delivery_status is None. The ultimate delivery status is determined by checking first the member's delivery_status, then the address's delivery_status, then the user's delivery_status and finally Mailman's global preferences. The first non-None value is what's used. See https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/maste… Also see the various tabs at https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.example.com/mailman3/accounts/subsc… > If I select Enabled and Save, then delivery starts working for that user. This should only happen if the users address or user based preference or the global preference is Disabled. > There are other members of the list that have neither Enabled or Disabled selected, but they are working. Which also seems to mean that when I run: > > mailman members --nomail any listname@listserv > > Nothing is returned. Because all members ultimately have delivery enabled. > If anyone has any ideas about why this might be the case, or how I might proactively identify other members who aren't receiving mail, that would be appreciated. Alternately, any thoughts on how I might force all members to Delivery Status Enabled, that would also be great. It shouldn't be necessary to do that. For one of these members, e.g. user(a)example.com, that isn't getting mail, do this in mailman shell ``` mailman shell -l list(a)example.com Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. The variable 'm' is the list(a)example.com mailing list >>> from mailman.core.constants import system_preferences >>> mbr = m.members.get_member('user(a)example.com') >>> print(mbr.delivery_status) (this will print the ultimate delivery_status, for the components do) >>> print(mbr.preferences.delivery_status) (output) >>> print(mbr.address.preferences.delivery_status) (output) >>> print(mbr.address.user.preferences.delivery_status) (output) >>> print(system_preferences.delivery_status) (output) >>> ``` The first of the (output) lines which is not None should be the same as the output from print(mbr.delivery_status). -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailm… Archived at: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailma… This message sent to phirayam(a)fredhutch.org

7 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: configuring postfix local recipient table

by Alexander Inzinger-Zrock

Am 29.04.25 um 18:27 schrieb Mark Sapiro: >> Last idea before that would be to >> >> 1. delete the files: >> >> -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 Mar 21 11:58 postfix_domains >> -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 12K Mar 24 11:44 postfix_domains.db >> -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 Mar 21 11:58 postfix_lmtp >> -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 12K Mar 24 11:44 postfix_lmtp.db >> >> 2. restart services >> >> 3. test if programms make new files >> >> 4. report to mailinglist >> >> Would that be of interest to someone? > > Yes. + [X] deactivate services + mailman3.service + mailmanweb.service + postfix.service + postfix(a)-.service + [X] deleting files under /opt/mailman/mm/var/data + postfix_domains + postfix_domains.db + postfix_lmtp + postfix_lmtp.db + [X] restart services + mailman3.service + mailmanweb.service + postfix.service + postfix(a)-.service LEARNINGS: + no new files made (expected). + despite mailman3.service reports: + 'Apr 30 14:37:40 mlist01-prod mailman[533171]: Generating MTA alias maps' + postfix warns about the deleted files (expected): Apr 30 14:41:02 mlist01-prod postfix/error[533928]: warning: hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_domains is unavailable. open database /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_domains.db: No such file or directory Apr 30 14:42:02 mlist01-prod postfix/error[533928]: warning: fast_flush_domains: hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_domains: table lookup problem Apr 30 14:42:02 mlist01-prod postfix/error[533928]: warning: C5B821C00E5: flush service failure

3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Help with installing Postorius and Hyperkitty on Ubuntu 19

by Andrew Bernard

Hi Mark, Thanks for your great help. But despite decades of UNIX experience, my area is not Django (yet). The nub of my question is that I thought you have to have a manage.py file for Django to be able to set up the various affairs, such as making the database migrations and so on. It is that that is eluding me. Apologies for this hopelessly newbie question. I was impressed with your method of installation in the page referenced, and I have foolwed that closely. But I am puzzled about the build script. If I run as user mailman, not root, it wanted to install under /usr. which of course results in permission denied. I had to modify the script to say this: python setup.py install --prefix /opt/mailman/mm/venv I am concerned that I have also misunderstood something here. A On Sun, 9 Jun 2019 at 00:57, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 6/8/19 4:04 AM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > > > > Where is the Django config area for the > > pip installed modules? It is this that I find obscure. > > The short answer is wherever you put it. If you look at > <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience> > which Abhilash mentioned, you'll see what I do. > > >

6 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: How to promote non-members to members?

by Quanah Gibson-Mount

--On Thursday, March 17, 2022 12:06 PM -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > This says that there is no Address object with the email > xxxxxxxx(a)xxxxx.org > > What do you get in `mailman shell` for > ``` > >>> um = getUtility(IUserManager) > >>> um.get_address('xxxxxxxx(a)xxxxx.org') > >>> um.get_user('xxxxxxxx(a)xxxxx.org') > ``` > These should return an Address and a User respectively. If they don't, > did you perhaps run some process to delete the user? I've done nothing in regard to this user. Neither command returns anything. I see it return my user object if I test with my own email address. > If the user is gone, you should be able to replace > ``` > ... sub_mgr.confirm(token) > ``` > in the above with > ``` > ... wfm = getUtility(IWorkflowStateManager) > ... pendings.confirm(token, expunge=True) > ... wfm.discard(token) > ``` > to clear the pending subscription and workflow and then be able to mass > subscribe the user. I did this, and can confirm that they no longer show up in the list of pending subscriptions via the mailman shell interface for that list. However, if I go to mass subscribe them via the interface, I get: HTTP Error 409: b'Subscription request already pending' Regards, Quanah

3 years, 4 months

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