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[MM3-users] Re: "To:" header field

by Mark Sapiro

On 08/05/2018 06:20 AM, Asaf Ohayon wrote: > > Comparing to Mailman 2.1, which we recently upgrading from, > and didn't got spammed, the "To:" field was set to the actual reciever, > While in Mailman 3.2, the "To:" field is set to the list's address. > > How can this be configured ? This is full personalization. See <http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/handlers/docs/cook-head…>. This setting is not yet exposed in Postorius, so you have to set it via 'mailman shell'. E.g. $ bin/mailman shell -l test(a)msapiro.net Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell The variable 'm' is the test(a)msapiro.net mailing list >>> m.personalize <Personalization.none: 0> >>> from mailman.interfaces.mailinglist import Personalization >>> m.personalize = Personalization.full >>> m.personalize <Personalization.full: 2> >>> commit() -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: API access to Hyperkitty

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/9/21 10:23 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > Is it possible to download Hyperkitty's archives to a remote server via > an API? Is there documentation that explains how to accomplish this task? > I don't think there is documentation, but if you look at the target of any `download` button, it should be obvious. I.e. the link to download the entire archive for this list is https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/export/… The `mailman-users(a)mailman3.org-2021-02.mbox.gz` part is the name of the file to download to and the `-2021-02` part can be anything or nothing, but the name must begin with the list posting address and end with `.mbox.gz`. If the archive is large, this can time out in which case adjust `start` and `end` to download it in pieces. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problems with web interface after upgrade

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/9/21 3:26 PM, Victoriano Giralt wrote: > > It's CentOS7, but sassc was already installed and has -t as short for --style. You wrote > ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}' It should be looking for just sassc, not 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'. Whats in your settings for COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS. That may not be the issue. You also wrote > compressor.exceptions.FilterError: Error: It's not clear which file to > import for '@import "../libs/bootstrap/stylesheets/bootstrap"'. > Candidates: > ../libs/bootstrap/stylesheets/_bootstrap.scss > ../libs/bootstrap/stylesheets/bootstrap.scss > Please delete or rename all but one of these files. > on line 4 of static/hyperkitty/sass/hyperkitty.scss You need to remove the older of hyperkitty/static/hyperkitty/libs/bootstrap/stylesheets/bootstrap.scss and hyperkitty/static/hyperkitty/libs/bootstrap/stylesheets/_bootstrap.scss That may be the whole issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: migrate MM3 list from an old server to a new one

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/6/24 01:43, noc(a)iem.at wrote: > > PS: (again) I'm resending this message, as the one i sent yesterday seems to have vanished (i *did* check the archvies). i have no clue why this happens, as i can post via the webinterface just fine (only when using my trusted MUA they just vanish). Your messages are being discarded for matching a header filter rule. The messages contain content-type: application/pgp-keys; name="OpenPGP_0xB65019C47F7A36F8.asc" and the content-type rule regexp is `^ *application(?!.*signature)` I.e we accept things like application/pgp-signature and application/pkcs7-signature, but not application/pgp-keys I have changed that regexp to `^ *application/(?!(pgp|[^ ;]*signature))` so we will now accept `content-type: application/pgp.*` as well so you now should be able to post/reply from your MUA. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Must issue a STARTTLS command first when forwarding from old server to new server

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/14/24 15:53, jkoral(a)luc.edu wrote: > I have a fully functioning Mailman3 server now and have setup and alias on the old server to forward mail to the new server. We have TLS enabled on the new server, but not the old server, so the new server is rejecting the mail coming through. Our IT security will not allow me to disable TLS on the new server. > > Is there a way to make an exception in mailman3 to allow a specific host to send mail through without using TLS? This is all the MTA, not Mailman. As you suggest in a follow up, you should enable TLS on the old server. In Postfix main.cf, I think ``` smtp_tls_security_level = may ``` should do it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Header Filters

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/31/20 7:23 PM, Peter Adebahr via Mailman-users wrote: > > Hi *, > > we are trying to dispose of automatic replies like "out of office" etc. > > For these ends, we have set > > Header to "subject" (w/o quotes) > Pattern to ".*out.of.office.*" > Action to "Hold for moderation" This should hold any message that contains 'out of office' (case insensitively) anywhere in the Subject: - also the leading and trailing '.*' is superfluous as the pattern is matched with re.search - BUT this test is applied after member moderation so if the message is from a member and the member's moderation action is Accept either explicitly or via list default, the message will be accepted without applying further tests. You want the member's moderation action to be Defer so that additional checks such as header matching are applied. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Source Installation Assistance

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/29/19 7:37 AM, actionmystique(a)gmail.com wrote: > mark.van.holsteijn＠gmail.com > I stumbled across the same issue as Brian Carpenter within a slightly different environment: > Ubuntu focal 20.04 > PostgreSQL 12.1-1 > > I tried to replace the following line in ```/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/migrations/0007_allauth_20160808_1604.py``` from ```python3-django-hyperkitty``` (1.3.0-1ubuntu1): > ``` > cursor.execute("SELECT 1 from social_auth_usersocialauth") > ``` > with > ``` > cursor.execute("SELECT 1 from information_schema.tables where table_name ='social_auth_usersocialauth' and to_regclass('social_auth_usersocialauth') is not null") > ``` > then > ``` > python3 manage.py makemigrations > ``` > leads to a different issue: We are working on a proper fix for this issue. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/merge_requests/200>. In the mean time, to work around this issue on a new install, the simplest change is to just delete the second to last line ``` migrations.RunPython(migrate_social_users), ``` from hyperkitty/migrations/0007_allauth_20160808_1604.py -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to create user accounts and mail addresses through CURL instead of Site Administration ?

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/10/20 11:18 AM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: > I am currently automating a few things using the CURL commands but only > postorius related as of now. Now I have a requirement. > > I need to create a lot many users and their mapping email ids through > Site Administration almost daily. But it is becoming to do the same through > Graphical Interface. > > So, I just want to know the CURL commands that can be used to create the > user accounts and email ids mapped to user accounts. The accounts you are talking about are Django accounts. You cannot create these via CURL to the Mailman core REST API. You might find <https://www.django-rest-framework.org/tutorial/quickstart/> of interest. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: How To Install Mailman 3 on Debian 10 (Complete Guide)

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/26/21 1:19 PM, Andreas Barth wrote: > > Re the "latest greatest", that's always the same question for all > software. If one is happy what comes from the distribution, I always > recommend to use that (or just use the currently developed stable > version, i.e. testing or unstable, perhaps even only for these > packages). If one needs something newer / else / specific local > patches, it's good to have documentation that helps. We're not talking bleeding edge here (although the server that supports this list and the python.org lists is bleeding edge). We are talking about installing the current releases from PyPI. Mailman 3 is still relatively young and there are many important features and fixes in the current releases that aren't in the Debian/Ubuntu packages. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderation request reminders

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/14/23 09:33, Allan Hansen wrote: > > I and my moderators are getting daily moderation request reminders. Is there a way to set them to be weekly instead? I looked around in the UI for it but did not see it. It started with my latest server upgrade. As list owner I get 50+ of these messages every morning and my modertors each get only one, but don't like it. This is `mailman notify` <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/d…> run by cron. > I still don't see a link for my moderators to see the membership lists even though the lists are set to allow it. Is that among the planned bug fixes? This is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/369>. There is an abandoned MR at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/423> but see the recent notes. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: search this list searches more then just this list

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/29/24 03:09, Marco van Tol wrote: > > Right now I’m back at the original issue as I see no other solution than to go back to whoosh. > > Thanks! > > Marco van Tol > > Paste: > ---- > Indexing 194620 emails > [ERROR/MainProcess] Failed indexing 156001 - 157000 (retry 5/5): Term too long (> 245): XSUBJECThttp://www.google.com/url?q=%68%74%74%70%73%3a%2f%2f%68%64%72%65%64… (pid 32): Term too long (> 245): XSUBJECThttp://www.google.com/url?q=%68%74%74%70%73%3a%2f%2f%68%64%72%65%64… I'm not sure why the patch you are using doesn't avoid this, but you could try the other patch at <https://github.com/alexsilva/xapian-haystack/commit/a53523d2d0d13929a0729d4…> instead. If that fails, you could always find the offending message in the database maybe with a query like ``` SELECT * FROM hyperkitty_email Where subject LIKE 'http://www.google.com/url?q=\%68\%74\%74%'; ``` and modify or delete it - it's probably spam anyway. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: The MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY was not sent as the Authorization HTTP header.

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/23/25 09:39, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > nirmal--- via Mailman-users writes: > > > Eventhough I have downgraded it. Archiving is not working. Kindly > > help me to solve. > > Does the subject have anything to do with this problem, or did you > reply to some other thread? > > If it's related to the problem, that's one problem. Most likely the > api_key setting in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg' doesn't match the > MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY in 'settings.py', or possibly you have the wrong > quoting in one of the files. This could have happened in the > downgrade if you downgraded only some of the Mailman packages. Actually, this is an incompatibility issue. It results from mailman-hyperkitty < 1.2.0 in combination with HyperKitty >= 1.3.5 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 weeks, 1 day

[MM3-users] Re: Bulk changes to delivery mode and moderation action

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/7/22 6:07 PM, David Newman wrote: > On 1/7/22 4:32 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> I suspect an issue trying to connect to the MTA to send the messages. >> This can be caused by permission errors. Check permissions on >> Mailman's var/templates/* > > Bingo. This list had regular and digest footer templates with 0644 > permissions owned by root:root, and there was an exception and traceback > for the most recent message in shunt about the permissions issue. That comes from running `mailman import21` as `root`. Always run `mailman` commands as the Mailman user. > I've changed ownership to mailman:mailman and restarted the mailman3 > service. > > As soon as I fixed this, my inbox filled with test messages... Good! >> Is there a 'Cannot connect to SMTP server ... on port ...' anywhere in >> mailman.log? > > Yes, lots. This might or might not be a different issue. It is exactly this issue which is now corrected. > As I mentioned earlier, the most recent message in shunt was from 0000 > hours today. There are many "Cannot connect" messages since then, but > none since fixing the issue above. The Cannot connect messages are from the issue of ownership of the templates and Mailman's out runner continually retrying the send. This is separate from the shunted messages. > Seems OK now. The superuser sees all posts after the unshunt action. So it appears that you ran `mailman unshunt` and the shunted messages were successfully processed, so whatever caused them to be shunted in the first place is fixed. Individual messages don't get shunted because of this template ownership issue, but it may be that digests do get shunted for this reason. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Any known limit of number of lists that one can be owner/member of?

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/14/19 12:18 AM, Alan So wrote: > One more finding. If the user select "All" in the "Filter by role" box, nothing can be shown. So, that shouldn't be related to the default limit of 50 with find_lists. Otherwise, at least some lists should be displayed. If you are saying no lists are shown when the user selects "all", is it possible that no lists are advertised? I.e., all lists have Settings -> List Identity -> Show list on index page = No. If that is not the case the advertised list should be shown on the "all" view or when not logged in. I don't see an issue at <https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/> or <https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Language Support In Templates

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/25/21 12:18 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > Hello MM3 Users, > > I have a question regarding the use of templates in different languages. > I created a template for the unsubscribe notification in Postorius in > Greek. The template shows up fine in Greek via Postorius. However the > email that is sent out has a bunch of question marks where the Greek > should be: This is a bug in Postorius. I just reported it at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/465>. There are a couple of workarounds. Assuming the list's preferred language is Greek (el), You can put the template in Mailman's var/templates/lists/<list-id>/el/ directory (creating it if necessary and ensuring it's readable by the Mailman user. You can set ``` [language.master] charset: utf-8 ``` in mailman.cfg to change the default character set from ascii to utf-8 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Dealing with recipients' servers spam filtering

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/13/21 7:31 AM, Gilles Filippini wrote: > > Writing down what I've learned so far, in case it may help others: > > 1- The lists server DNS record (lists.example.com) should be of 'A' type > (no 'ALIAS' or 'CNAME') Not only that, reverse lookup of the IP in the A record must point back to the same (lists.example.com) domain. See, e.g., <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward-confirmed_reverse_DNS>. > 2- The SPF record should be set for the very same DNS name; e.g. > lists.example.com (not just example.com) > 3- This record seems to work for my server: > lists.example.com. IN TXT "v=spf1 ip4:123.123.123.123 -all" > Where the IP address is the same as the one registered for the 'A' > record. And you should also DKIM sign outgoing mail. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to store additional information about lists?

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/25/21 12:28 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Andreas Barth writes: > > > private: hand-selected people, think about e.g. board or steering > > committees internal discussions. Of course, the archive (if there is > > any) should be restricted to the actual members. Posting to these > > lists is currently not restricted, so no derivation needed from the > > current set in postorius. > > This is already possible by requiring admin approval, or by setting > the ban list to something that matches everything like "^.". The ban list can't be used in this way. A banned address can't be subscribed by any means including admin action. And even if an admin temporarily removes the ban, subscribes the address and then restores the ban, the now banned member can't post. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to delete user completely?

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/21/22 4:32 PM, William Oliver wrote: > I have installed mailman3 and it's up and running great. However, I > noticed that, during a mass subscribe, I mis-typed an address, e.g. > name(a)domain.ned rather than name(a)domain.net. I found how to unsubscribe > the bad address, but I haven't found a "delete" option under Users or > anywhere else. How to I purge a user from the users list? You need to do it via REST or `mailman shell`. In mailman shell, ``` >>> um = getUtility(IUserManager) >>> usr = um.get_user('user(a)example.com') >>> um.delete_user(usr) >>> commit() ``` > As a related question, in docs.mailman.org, I can find a list member's > manual, but I can't seem to find an admin manual. Is there one? No, not per se. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Pb with archive display

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/4/22 05:45, Pierre Malard via Mailman-users wrote: > > On the other hand Mailman3 does not seem to take into account the display of the archives. The contributions are indeed in the directory "/var/lib/mailman3/archives/hyperkitty/spool" but HyperKitty does not take them into account when displayed on the Web interface. > > Is this normal? No. The messages are in /var/lib/mailman3/archives/hyperkitty/spool because delivery to HyperKitty failed. There should be messages in Mailman's var/logs/mailman about the failures. The setting for api_key in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg must match the setting for MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY in your Django settings. Also, the setting for base_url in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg must be good. If you append `/api` to that url, the result should return a page of documentation of HyperKitty's REST API. Also see this thread https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Issues encountered while upgrading to 3.3.7

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/5/22 02:37, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > Here again, Google-fu came to the rescue. I added the following line to > settings_local.py and the warnings were suppressed. > DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD = 'django.db.models.AutoField' > I need to understand how this affects everything and how this is likely to > impact the functionality of MM3. What is the proper solution for this? > And should it be django.db.models.BigAutoField or > django.db.models.AutoField? Which is which? Prior to Django 3.2 Django set default primary keys to 32 bit integers. In 3.2 Django introduced the possibility to set default primary keys to 64 bit integers by setting the type to django.db.models.BigAutoField. Thus, putting ``` DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD = 'django.db.models.AutoField' ``` in your settings will maintain compatibility with pre 3.2 versions and existing tables and this is the correct thing to do. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: upgrading in FreeBSD 13.1-p7: problem with aiosmtpd and lmtp runner

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/3/23 23:12, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: > > Just to make it clear: It happened upgrading from 3.3.7 to 3.3.8 > > The upgrade procedure I did all the times is > > pip install --upgrade django-mailman3 mailman mailman-hyperkitty > mailmanclient postorius django hyperkitty uwsgi mod-wsgi > > and if I see some trouble I did it with a --force-reinstall parameter > (not that I remember it happened last times that I upgraded) > > (and then the collectstatic, etc.) > > If I missed something, I don't know. Mailman 3.3.5, 3.3.6 and 3.3.7 all required aiosmtpd>=1.4.1 so your prior upgrades should have installed aiosmtpd>=1.4.1. Possibly aiosmtpd>=1.4.1 was installed somewhere, but your jail configuration was such that it wasn't the one actually used by lmtp runner. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to change the language in mailman3

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/22/20 10:17 AM, blackout69 wrote: > Hi everybody, > > with > $sudo updatedb > $sudo locate,I don't find these path Mailman core in mailman/messages/ > Hyperkitty in hyperkitty/local/ > django-mailman3 in django-mailman3/local/ > postorius in postorius/local/from here > https://www.pratico.work/file.tar.xz you can download the following > files: my file /usr/share/mailman3-web/settings_local.py $sudo locate > it/LC_MESSAGES > mypath.txt I can't (re)generate the .mo files because > there are no path above. Thank You for help Max I'm having trouble deciphering what you are saying, however, the actual paths you are looking for are: For Mailman core: mailman/messages/it/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po For HyperKitty: hyperkitty/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/django.po For djangomailman3: django_mailman3/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/django.po For Postorius: postorius/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/django.po Note 'locale', not 'local' -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Posterious membership listing for non-owner/moderators?

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/11/21 4:58 AM, Duane Raymond wrote: > Hi, > > I'm configuring my new mailman3 lists and one option I wish to use is a membership listing (which list members can opt-in/out of via their preferences). The only problem is, via the web interface (Posterious / Hyperkitty) I can't find that listing when logged in as an ordinary member. Am I missing something or is this not built in yet? > > I have my test list setting under List Identity -> Members List Visibility set to "Only mailinglist members", but all I can find in terms of members is the side-listing of posters to the list/thread. > > (as usual before asking the question I explored a lot and searched the archives/documentation). Maybe you should also check issues. This is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/369> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Apple Mail encoding again

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/14/22 21:33, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > Whether we *want* to do that depends on how much trouble that causes > for our main constituency (list and site admins), and whether we can > provide discoverable documentation of the problem. My take is that > this seems to be an extremely rare problem, and at least some MUAs are > able to read the message, so we should let it through. First, we are not silently dropping this message. We are rejecting it at LMTP time so the sender should be notified. Then the broader question is should we accept all messages with defects, almost all of which are spam, or only certain defects and which ones. I note that Apple has now released Mail 16 so maybe they've fixed this. My macs are still on Big Sur, so I can't test this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Aborted connection message in log in every 5 minutes

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/31/24 04:00, andrea.janna.unipd(a)gmail.com wrote: > > Yes it's mailman gatenews that triggers mariadbd "[Warning] Aborted connection" log entries. > I don't use this feature so as a workaround I set a large gatenews_every interval in mailman.cfg. > > [nntp] > gatenews_every: 1000000m Or you can do as Danil does <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> and put ``` [runner.nntp] start: no ``` in mailman.cfg. However, it is unclear what in gatenews would do this. Assuming you have no lists for which gateway_to_mail is true, all gatenews will do is ``` def process_lists(glock): list_manager = getUtility(IListManager) for mlist in list_manager.mailing_lists: glock.refresh() listname = mlist.fqdn_listname if not mlist.gateway_to_mail: continue ``` The database operations involved in this are things Mailman core is doing all the time, presumably without issues. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Mark Sapiro

On 08/02/2017 07:55 AM, Rafael Mora wrote: > HyperKitty is looking for some files in /static/CACHE/... but it doesn't > find them: > > [02/Aug/2017 14:53:38] "GET /static/CACHE/css/b3547a2ab51b.css HTTP/1.1" > 404 107 > [02/Aug/2017 14:53:38] "GET /static/CACHE/css/4c17bb8058aa.css HTTP/1.1" > 404 107 > [02/Aug/2017 14:53:38] "GET /static/CACHE/css/2fa1cba00450.css HTTP/1.1" > 404 107 > [02/Aug/2017 14:53:38] "GET /static/CACHE/js/4ce1260ef558.js HTTP/1.1" 404 > 105 > [02/Aug/2017 14:53:39] "GET /static/CACHE/js/4ce1260ef558.js HTTP/1.1" 404 > 105 > > > Should I run any command to activate the CACHE dir? You need to ensure you have a working sass compiler. As I said at <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…>, See the third bullet under <http://docs.list.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html#dependencies>. Then you need to run commands like django-admin collectstatic --clear django-admin compress -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Subscription notification sent from the site admins work-mail.

by Mark Sapiro

On 09/13/2018 05:01 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: > One of my list administrators told me that all seven list administrators on a list received a "None <foo(a)example.com> has been successfully subscribed to [LIST NAME].", when someone subscribed to their list, however the sender of the mail (From:) was my own work mail address. I am not associated with the list other that I am site admin. This is expected behavior. In Mailman 2.1 notices like this were sent From: the site list (normally 'mailman'). In Mailman 3, there is no site list so the notices are from the site admin. If you'd rather not expose your work mail address in this way, set the site admin to something generic like mailman-admin(a)example.com and alias that to where you want the mail to go. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot see the cron jobs for Mailman 3 Installed

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/23/20 4:49 AM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: > Hi, > > I have setup the Mailman 3 on my RHEL 7.5 box and found it was working > fine. But I found that I am not getting daily summary notifications for > which I learnt after browsing through different websites, there should be > an entry of *checkdb* in the cron job list. checkdbs is a Mailman 2.1 job The equivalent Mailman 3 job is `mailman notify` > But I did not find any such nor I don't find any cron job updated after > the installation of mailman 3. See <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-core.html#configuring-cron-jobs> and <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html#scheduled-tasks-required> If you installed Mailman from a package and the cron's weren't installed, report this to the packager. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Subscription issue with ghost confirmations

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/31/20 7:28 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > > This has occurred again. A person sends an email to listname-subscribe@listdomain and the subscription policy of said list is set to moderate only. Instead of honoring this, a confirmation email is sent out. The issue is that when a request is received to subscribe an address to a list and that address is not verified and the pre_verified flag is not set in the request, the user is sent a confirmation request. This is not a request to confirm the subscription request, but rather a request to confirm the address, however they use the same template so they are indistinguishable. We probably should check the subscription policy and not send this request if the policy is moderate. We should also ignore a pending request if the policy is moderate per <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/789>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Can't deliver mails in queue

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/19/21 2:45 PM, Nathanael Schneider wrote: > > They were in fact not identical, as I changed some stuff in hopes to get > it up and running again quickly. I now changed the completely new List > to be identical with the cleanly created one (as far as postorius shows > me) and it still works just fine. Do I understand correctly that you deleted the MM 2.1 imported list and created a new list in Postorius with just two members and it doesn't work. If that understanding is not correct, please outline all the steps you took to arrive at the current list that doesn't work. Also, please capture one of the .pck or .bak files from the out queue and send it to me off list. I will treat it confidentially, but there might be clues in it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: list footer web customization procedure

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/30/21 1:11 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > Does Django empty out the "spacetebasket" if it's all white space, or > does spurious whitespace in that box lead to an (apparently) empty > footer being added? Postorius used to remove leading and trailing whitespace from the template, but not since https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/301 was fixed. > Anway, I recommend to the OP that they make sure there's no whitespace > in the Data box. A good recommendation. While a header or footer template with some whitespace might not be noticeable when added to a text/plain message, it will cause extra mime parts to be added to more complex messages. Also, if the goal in setting an empty footer is to avoid breaking a DKIM signature, even adding a bit of whitespace to a text/plain message is an issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Python 3.9 support

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/24/22 14:01, dancab(a)caltech.edu wrote: > > Only mail delivery was hung overnight. I had to restart the Gunicorn process followed by a Mailman core restart for mail to flow again. Because Mailman's "out" runner (/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/runners/outgoing.py from the above traceback) is what hit the exception and died. The master watcher should restart it, but see https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/898 > Any insight into how we could monitor this in the future? For example which specific "runner" reported the error above? Something like ``` ps --ppid=`cat /opt/mailman/mm/var/master.pid|tr -d '\n'`|wc -l ``` will report the number of child processes of the master. You could test that against the expected number and do something. Note that `mailman restart` probably won't start a runner that died - you need to do `mailman stop;mailman start` to be sure. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Strange messages after upgrading Mailman3

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/4/22 20:09, Allan Hansen wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been getting a few of these messages after my Mailman 3 was upgraded: > > "The content of this message was lost. It was probably cross-posted to > multiple lists and previously handled on another list." > > The messages appear to come from list members and are distributed to the relevant lists, but with nothing of the original contents. > They have appeared on different lists with, apparently different senders (unless spoofed). > Other messages are going through the system unchanged. > > Anyone has any ideas? To what version did you upgrade? This is most likely https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/955 which was fixed in Mailman core 3.3.6, but it could be https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1027 if the posts are to umbrella lists (lists with other lists as members). -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Messages hold for moderation - compared to mailman2 it appears that there are fewer options: missing option(?)

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/7/24 9:35 AM, Wikinaut wrote: > Hello, I miss sadly the option of > > both: > > i) discarding the current message of a sender (not member of a closed list) ; and in the same action > ii) adding this person to the whitelist, i.e. accept further mails from this sender. When you go to the held messages view in the web UI and click the Subject: of the held message, there is a dropdown to set the sender's moderation action. you can select `default processing` to accept subject to additional checks or `accept` to accept unconditionally, subsequent posts from that sender before clicking the `discard` or other button. This works for non-members as well as for members. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: [Bug] Someone not a member of list is treated as member - strange

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/23/25 11:51, Wikinaut wrote: > > Because it may be a breaking change in mailman3 - no one wants this I do not think is is a breaking change and I strongly disagree that no one wants it. If you want prior Mailman behavior, just don't link multiple addresses to one user. You can have a separate user for each address and then each address will be considered as belonging to a different person which is apparently what you want. Going back to your original issue, why do you have a problem? The fact that a post from one of your addresses was accepted even though it wasn't from the address that was subscribed in no way says that a post from an arbitrary nonmember would be accepted. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 month, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: A little stuck with installation of MM3 - ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'flufl.lock'

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/27/20 4:29 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 02:49, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >> >> Is there an empty /opt/mailman/mm/__init__.py file? >> > > No. There has to be one. Create it and then Django will be able to import your settings. See the first line after Create directories: ... and files: at <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience#line-69> > Yes. However, that also means the /opt/mailman should be owned by mailman3, > right? So I wasn't quite mistaken. It doesn't matter what user actually `owns` this directory and its subordinates as long as the Mailman user, mailman3 in your case, can read and write there. Of course, making everything owned by the Mailman user is the easiest way to ensure this. Note also that any commands in /opt/mailman/mm/bin need to be run as the Mailman user and not root. Running them as root can create things owned by root the can't be read by the Mailman user. > PS: There is the issue with qcluster, which doesn't seem to have been > documented in details from your "experience". > I see the configuration file and the init script, but not how to install > it, or whether the procedure already installed it. qcluster is part of Django. If you have this # # Asynchronous tasks # Q_CLUSTER = { 'timeout': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm': 'default', } or similar uncommented in your Django settings, and also 'django_q' in your INSTALLED_APPS, it's there and all you need to do is run /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin qcluster to run it, but it should be run as a service via init or ?? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Mark Sapiro

On 07/21/2017 06:46 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: > Can I use it for mailing lists? like MailChimp? Yes, if all you want is a simple one way announcement type list, Mailman can do that quite well, with appropriate list configuration[1], but as I tried to say, MailChimp has many more features that are oriented towards that kind of mailing. [1]There are many horror stories of people setting up a mailing list and subscribing a bunch of people to it without ensuring that members can't post back to the list. Then with the first post, people start posting back to be removed and then others reply that they didn't send that mail and it snowballs and within an hower, the poor list server is so backlogged that the clueful replies take hours to be delivered. I personally have been added to more that one list to which this happened. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Uncaught runner exception with out runner process

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/18/19 7:35 AM, Alan So wrote: > The out runner process shutdown with the following error. Any clue? > > May 16 17:32:12 2019 (31602) Uncaught runner exception: (pymysql.err.InternalError) (1053, 'Server shutdown in progress') ... Mailman is running and the MySQL server is being shutdown. If this occurred during shutdown of the entire server, it is a race condition due to the out runner continuing to process a message while the MySQL server is being shut down. Upon restart, the out runner may recover the message from the .bak file in its queue. To avoid this, you could stop Mailman and wait for all Mailman processes to terminate before shutting down/rebooting the server. Note that if the message in process was shunted, the .bak file was probably removed during the shunting process, so you should unshunt it to finish delivery. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: No styling for web apps?

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/26/20 8:44 PM, Morris Jones wrote: > I have most of a new mailman suite server built and working ... > > collectstatic gathered a good array of static files (uncompressed so far) > > nginx appears to be serving them successfully > > The Firefox developer tools show css and js files all being delivered > > But none of the postorius or hyperkitty pages exhibit any styling at > all, only bare HTML elements. > > The Firefox inspector will show the available styles being requested and > delivered (style.css, bootstrap, jquery, all the things). > > But if I use the inspector to look at the page, nothing has any CSS > properties. > > I know I'm missing something simple. Try running collectstatic and, if you use it, compress again. These have to be run following various kinds of changes. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Reduction of spam - FROM_LOCAL_HEX

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/31/23 01:55, Kyriakos Terzopoulos wrote: > > My guess is that the From address is very large, for example: > > mylist-confirm+3eafa5bd24e52738c900e2e3fd05e366b7ea7580(a)myproject.eu > > Is there any way to mitigate this problem? The string 'mylist-confirm+3eafa5bd24e52738c900e2e3fd05e366b7ea7580' is created according to the setting ``` verp_confirm_format: $address+$cookie ``` in the [mta] section of mailman.cfg. You could override that by setting ``` [mta] verp_confirm_format: $address ``` or maybe even something like `` [mta] verp_confirm_format: $address+no_reply ``` in mailman.cfg, but then you would also need to provide edited versions of the templates list:user:action:unsubscribe, list:user:action:invite and list:user:action:subscribe to remove the bits about 'simply replying to this message'. Note that your spamassassin report is only assigning a score of 0.3 to FROM_LOCAL_HEX which isn't very much. Plus, there's no evidence that Gmail's proprietory spam checks even care about this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 on Debian 10

by Mark Sapiro

> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, at 9:22 AM, Bala Mutyam wrote: > >> but the mailman service is not able to start it’s giving below error. Could you help me how to resolve it please? And also instructions for to install Mailman3 using Debian packages mailman3-full. I would like to use MySQl as backend and Exim4 as mail server. I couldn’t find new mailing list using the command line utility (/usr/sbin/newlist? Questions about the installation of Debian packages should be directed to Debian. >> Please see the attached Traceback. Which said in part: > urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 401: b'{\n "title": "401 Unauthorized",\n "description": "REST API authorization failed"\n}' The most likely cause of this is your Django settings in settings(_local).py for MAILMAN_REST_API_USER and MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS do not match the mailman.cfg [webservice] settings for admin_user and admin_pass (defaults restadmin and restpass). -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Null sender?

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/28/20 10:18 AM, tom(a)gather.coop wrote: > Oh I get it! Hmm, I wonder why SendGrid is bouncing my mail then. I have the domain validated... Time to contact support... If SendGrid is your outgoing MTA, you probably don't have log info. You need to see the DSN for the reason. Unfortunately, MM 3 doesn't provide a way for you to see that directly (I just filed https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/737 for this). This patch --- a/src/mailman/runners/bounce.py +++ b/src/mailman/runners/bounce.py @@ -90,7 +90,7 @@ class BounceRunner(Runner): else: log.info('Bounce message w/no discernable addresses: %s', msg.get('message-id', 'n/a')) - maybe_forward(mlist, msg) + maybe_forward(mlist, msg) # Dequeue this message. return False will forward non-verped received bounces to the list admins, not just unrecognized ones. The notice will say it was unrecognized, which it wasn't, but you'll be able to see it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY - 401 error

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/14/22 06:32, Torsten R. wrote: > Aah, one last question that came just up. > Due to the removal of the list and the recreation there are now some message files with the extension psv in the bad queue. > Is it safe to just delete them manually or how should they be treated? These are messages that were queued in some queue, but now can't be dequeued after a few retries. In your case, this is probably due to permissions because of incorrect ownership. Examine the files with `mailman qfile`. If you don't want to continue processing the message, just remove the file. If you do, rename it, changing the extension from .psv to .pck and change the ownership as needed - probably from root to mailman, and move the file to the original queue indicated in the metadata - the second object shown by `mailman qfile`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Importing mailman 2 shows member's "Moderation Action" = "Default processing". But new members show = "None". Why

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/25/23 10:59 AM, mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu wrote: > I imported my mailing lists from mailman 2. If I view the Members, it say "Moderation Action" = "Default processing". > > But when I now subscribe myself or other people to the list, and view the new Members, it say "Moderation Action" = "None" for them. > > Should that be happening? The mailing list 's "Default action to take when a member posts to the list" setting is set to "Default processing". All of that is expected. import21 sets a members Moderation Action based on the Mailman 2.1 list settings and members moderation. New members get Moderation Action = None which means use the list default. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Getting rid of held messages from the command line

by Mark Sapiro

On 03/19/2018 02:22 PM, Aymeric Mansoux wrote: > > Ah, so if I understand you correctly, as long as I'm on 3.1.1, I could > run into this issue again, but then: Yes, this issue will recur with Mailman 3.1.1 and a MySQL database. > - Would patching 3.1.1 with 5477a201 be enough to prevent further issues > until the next stable is released? I think so. The only potential issue is if mailman/database/alembic/versions/4bd95c99b2e7_fix_template_password.py is not in 3.1.1. I think it is, so I think it's OK, but if not, you'd need to modify mailman/database/alembic/versions/3f31035ed0d7_further_increase_pendedkeyvalue_value_.py to point to the 3.1.1 head of the alembic versions. > - How can I clean the current pendedkeyvalue table? With phpMyAdmin or the mysql command. I think you can just delete those entries from the pendedkeyvalue table. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: HyperKitty Question

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/4/20 6:11 PM, Samir Faci wrote: > > I have nginx running with multiple website being serviced from the same > server. > > I updated the config where port 80 gets redirected to SSL. > > I tried setting mailman3-hyperkitty.conf to both: > > base_url: http://localhost/hyperkitty> base_url: https://lists.domain.com/hyperkitty/ > Either should be OK, possibly dependent of your nginx config. > But neither seem to be working. Does hyperkitty require traffic to be > going over port 80? No. https should work. Can you go to https://lists.domain.com/hyperkitty/ in a browser? Do you have api_key: set in mailman3-hyperkitty.conf and is it set to the same value modulo quotes as MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY in your Django settings. Note the value needs to be quoted in MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = 'the_value' and not in api_key: the_value because the former is a Python string and the latter is a config value. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Footer from templates not working - DB issue?

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/25/22 05:26, mailman--- via Mailman-users wrote: > Dear All, > I have a similar issue. Also on Debian 11. Also installed as Debian PKG. It's version GNU Mailman 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer) > I am using sqlite3. When I do the SQL-query I get an URI which is in multiple reasons wrong > http://localhost/mailman3/postorius/api/templates/list/....../list:member:r… The initial part of that URL is set from the Django setting `POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL`. If that is set to `http://localhost/mailman3/`, it should probably be just `http://localhost/`. > OK - the hostname could be changed but the path is not existing at all. > There is no file "list:member:regular:footer" on the complete filesystem. It's not a file. It refers to an entry in the postorius_emailtemplate table in the database which is retrieved via the Postorius API. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius claims 2 messages held when there are none - out of sync

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/26/23 12:01 AM, Ken Alker wrote: > When I view a list via Postorius the "Held Messages" menu item has an inverse-red-"2" next to it, as if there are two held messages. There are, in fact, no messages in "/opt/mailman/mm/var/queue/*" (assuming the held messages should be in "pipeline" subdirectory). When I click on "Held Messages" I get "Something went wrong" followed by "HTTP Error 500: {"title": "500 Internal Server Error"}". How do I fix this? The held messages are not in any queue. They are stored in Mailman's var/messages/ hierarchy. They can be examined with `mailman qfile` Also, there is a long thread at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… and maybe others that might be relevant. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Topics - Tags

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/21/24 21:10, Mark wrote: > Hi, > > I'm reading the docs on "Message tagging" > (https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/handlers/d…) as saying shell access is needed to: (a) enable topics, and (b) write the keywords. > > In Mailman 2 there is an Admin web UI for "Topics". Is there such a web > UI that can be enabled in Mailman 3 so that the list owners can create > topics (tags) in their lists? At this point, topics are not exposed in REST. Managing them via Postorius first requires updating the REST API to read and set the topic attributes and then updating Postorius to display/set them. Further, there is currently no implementation for list member topics of interest either in Mailman core or the REST API. I.e., there is no way for a list member to indicate topics of interest. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moving existing lists to a new domain

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/21/24 07:43, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > > Preparing to test this, I poked around the schema a bit and noticed > that the domain names are also embedded as strings in the following > fields: > > django_mailman3_maildomain.mail_domain > django_site.domain > django_site.name These are all Django things. You can modify those values in the db. Note that django_site.name is just a name and doesn't need to be the exact domain name. > domain.mail_host This is Mailman core's domain table. Again, you can modify the value in the db. > Can anyone think of any additional tables/columns which would need > updating for this? I'll see if scanning a dump of the full DB > content turns up anything I might be missing too. Thanks again! I don't think there's anything else. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

10 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: changing the main template for subscriptions and more

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/22/21 2:41 AM, Andreas Barth wrote: > > I'm using this patch (however, german-only) > > > Andi > > > diff --git a/src/mailman/templates/de/list:admin:action:post.txt b/src/mailman/templates/de/list:admin:action:post.txt ... > diff --git a/src/mailman/templates/de/list:admin:action:subscribe.txt b/src/mailman/templates/de/list:admin:action:subscribe.txt ... > diff --git a/src/mailman/templates/de/list:admin:action:unsubscribe.txt b/src/mailman/templates/de/list:admin:action:unsubscribe.txt ... > diff --git a/src/mailman/templates/de/list:user:notice:welcome.txt b/src/mailman/templates/de/list:user:notice:welcome.txt ... It isn't necessary to patch the source in this way. If you put the modified templates in Mailman's var/templates/site/de/ directory, ensuring that the Mailman user can read them, they will be used and you won't have to patch the source every time you upgrade. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: New messages not being archived

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/15/21 2:11 PM, Sarah H wrote: > I get a 301 when I go to http and the full html page not found text that is above if I go to https. if I curl loopback on html I get the same html response, https I get: > > curl: (35) error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number A 301 from http will be an issue always. I'm not sure where the `wrong version number` comes from. This could be the issue. If I do for example, curl -X POST https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/api/mailman/archive I get the response <html><title>Auth required</title><body> <h1>Authorization Required</h1><p>Please check whether the MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY is provided by you and it is correct. </p></body></html> This is the expected response. You need to figure out what base_url will give you a similar response. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty url not found

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/9/22 07:13, Eggert Ehmke wrote: > I installed mailman3 in a virtualenv following this guide: > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html[1] > The mailinglists work very good. However, I did not manage to set up hyperkitty archiving. > Archiving is enabled in mailman.cfg. I can call the Archive site from my configuration page, > but it is empty. > > In my /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/mailman.log > file I find error messages like: > > HyperKitty failure on http://localhost/mailman/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive: > The requested URL was not found on this server. Your setting in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg for base_url is base_url: http://localhost/mailman/hyperkitty/ It needs to be the base URL for accessing hyperkitty, possibly base_url: http://localhost/mailman3/hyperkitty/ or whatever you use to access hyperkitty from a web browser. Whatever it is, `<base_url>/api` should return a page of API documentation. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty_import performance boosting potential

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/8/24 11:59 AM, dlb-ml--- via Mailman-users wrote: > > I can throw all of the resources I need at it in order to make it faster, but I'm not sure if the import application is single-threaded only. Is there a way to enable a multi-threaded option? Can I safely run multiple commands at the same time using something like /usr/bin/parallel? If you're concerned about down time while doing the switch over, you could just do the hyperkitty_import processes while the MM 2.1 lists are still up, and then just import only the latest messages while the MM 2.1 lists are down. That said, in order to provide parallelism, you could split the mbox into pieces and run multiple hyperkitty_import processes concurrently. If you do this, be sure to specify --since on the commands to be sure you get all the older messages. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Funny responds to subscriptions emails

by Mark Sapiro

On 09/02/2017 01:36 PM, Claus-Justus Heine via Mailman-users wrote: > > But I also get a second rather confusing email: > >> The results of your email command are provided below. >> >> - Original message details: >> From: Claus-Justus Heine <Claus-Justus.Heine(a)IANS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE> >> Subject: Test >> Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 22:24:08 +0200 >> Message-ID: <44151460-05a8-4c35-e0d4-646efe3cf234(a)IANS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE> >> >> - Results: >> Confirmation email sent to Claus-Justus Heine <Claus-Justus.Heine(a)IANS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE> >> No such command: Test >> No such command: --=20 >> No such command: Claus-Justus >> No such command: f=C3=BCr >> No such command: Numerische >> No such command: Stuttgart >> No such command: +49 >> No such command: +49 >> >> - Done. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/212>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius endless loading on Sign in / Register then "Internal Server Error"

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/10/20 10:55 AM, Jacob Bargery wrote: > So I couldn't find a schema.cfg file but but when checking mailman-web.py and mailman.cfg they both have the same password. Albeit not the restpass but a much longer random password. I was able to connect using both telnet options. > > For reference the instructions I followed for installing this (up to the SSL cert) were here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xIcSsoNFp2nHi7r4eQys00s9a0k2sHhu1V5Plan… See <https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344 The next step is to try this in `django-admin shell` from mailmanclient.restbase.connection import Connection from django.conf import settings url = settings.MAILMAN_REST_API_URL user = settings.MAILMAN_REST_API_USER pwd = settings.MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS conn = Connection(url, user, pwd) conn.call('3.1/lists') That should return `<Response [200]>` and a bunch of json. What happens in your case? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 does not send to the members of the lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/12/20 6:30 PM, maszap(a)tin.it wrote: > Hi, > > you say I have to delete these lines? > > virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_emails.cf, mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf > virtual_gid_maps = static:5000 > virtual_mailbox_base = /var/vmail > virtual_mailbox_domains = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_mailbox_domains.cf > virtual_mailbox_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf > virtual_transport = lmtp:unix:private/dovecot-lmtp > virtual_uid_maps = static:5000 I say you have to understand what you want Postfix to do and configure it appropriately. I am not a primary resource for Postfix support in general. I will help you to the extent that I can, but you might be better off posting to a Postfix list. I would need much more information in order to know how your Postfix should be configured, and in any case, I don't have time to do any more today. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem with redirection when entering alias without a / at the end

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/19/21 4:53 PM, Jens Günther wrote: > Sure. It's not much, when I get it right, file was created by > debian-package automatically (I only post the lines without #): > > ->/etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini > > [uwsgi] > uwsgi-socket = /run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock > enable-threads = true > chdir = /usr/share/mailman3-web > wsgi-file = wsgi.py > master = true > process = 2 > threads = 2 > uid = www-data > gid = www-data > plugins = python3 > attach-daemon = python3 manage.py qcluster > logto = /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log > > > Am 20.03.21 um 00:28 schrieb Abhilash Raj: >> >> Can you also share your uwsgi configuration? How about the actual uwsgi config. Maybe something like /etc/uwsgi.ini See https://uwsgi-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Configuration.html -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman-web compress - Invalid template socialaccount/login_cancelled.html

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/24/24 02:38, amg hsn wrote: working packages with exact version. > for me each time i build venv i have different warning or erro. I understand your frustration and I'm sorry. The problem is that the current release of django-mailman3, 1.3.11, just requires django-allauth>=0.56, so a new install will get the latest django-allauth==0.60.1, but django-mailman3==1.3.11 is not compatible with django_allauth>=0.59. This will be fixed in the next release, but in the mean time, you can apply https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/merge_requests/237/diffs and https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/merge_requests/243/diffs to update django-mailman3 for compatibility with the latest django-allauth. This can be an issue when any of our third party dependencies is upgraded in an incompatible way. Short of pinning all the dependencies to a specific version, there's not much we can do about it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Welcome message template errors

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/23/24 18:12, Mark wrote: > > >>>> import requests >>>> r = >>>> requests.get('https://MYDOMAIN.COM/mailman3/api/templates/list/MYTESTLIST.MYDOMAIN.COM/li…', timeout=5) >>>> r.text > 'Another test Welcome message for new members.' >>>> Did you delete and recreate the template after changing POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL? If not, the template table still has the old URI. > > ... so all well there. And mailman is running mailman core ... > > # cd /opt/mailman/venv/bin/ > # ls -la > ... > -rwxr-xr-x 1 mailman mailman 230 Jan 26 04:00 gunicorn > -rwxr-xr-x 1 mailman mailman 231 Jan 26 04:00 mailman > -rwxr-xr-x 1 mailman mailman 230 Mar 25 22:18 mailman-web > ... That only shows the user and group that owns the files, not whose running them. What does `ps -fwwu mailman|grep runner` show? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem getting Mailman3 to work with Ubuntu 24.04.1 LTS

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/12/24 20:52, sebensteg(a)cod.edu wrote: > Hello everyone, > > We have been using Mailman3 for over a year and half. We upgraded from Ubuntu 22.04.5, where it was working fine, to Ubuntu 22.04.1. Since then, mailman3 won’t work. When we tried to start it immediately after the upgrade, we got this error: > > 024-09-12T23:08:04.322353+00:00 weather1 systemd[1]: Starting mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager... > 2024-09-12T23:08:04.935569+00:00 weather1 mailman[23628]: SystemError: type psycopg2.extensions.ReplicationConnection has the Py_TPFLAGS_HAVE_GC flag but has no traverse function See https://github.com/psycopg/psycopg2/issues/1598 ... > But yet, we have this installed: > > venv mailman@weather1:~$ pip install psycopg2-binary > Requirement already satisfied: psycopg2-binary in ./venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages (2.8.6) > > Any advice on how to get this working again would be GREATLY appreciated! Try pip install --upgrade psycopg2-binary -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Deliverability and Spam Filtering

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/30/20 1:58 PM, Tom @ Gather wrote: > Interesting! Does the `in` queue also work for emails to subaddresses like > foo-owner, etc? Or is it only for list posts? -bounces goes to bounces -confirm, -join, -leave (and their synonyms -subscribe and -unsubscribe) and -request go to command -owner goes to in. But there's more to it that that. There's also things put in the metadata in the queue entry such as mail to -owner sets to_owner = True > Relatedly, why is `list_id` a required parameter? Isn't that information > contained in the email? Possibly not. The recipient list is the envelope recipient which may or may not be in the message headers - it could be a Bcc to the list. Thus, listid needs to be set in the metadata as well. You need to look at mailman/runners/lmtp.py and emulate what it does. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman Suite installation on CentOS 7

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/8/21 4:18 AM, Kimmo L wrote: > Hello! > > I want to install fresh Mailman, which is combined with hyperkitty+postorius. After checking documentation i found, that Mailman Suite is perfect for me. > But i have some misunderstandings about installation. I only found this part in documentation, which explains how to clone and start using Mailman Suite (https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/devsetup.html#run-the-mailman-suite-com…) > > But am i correct, that before doing so, i need to install mailman core, mailman client, django-mailman3 ? > Or what would be the correct steps to build up my first Mailman Suite on CentOS? The docs you want to look at are https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/#the-pre-installation-guide and https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/install.html. There is also information at https://wiki.list.org/x/17891998 and in docs linked from thefirst paragraph thereof. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Messages not picking up header or footer template

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/26/23 13:04, benjamin(a)tougshire.com wrote: > > I can see the entry in the database with the uri: http://localhost:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/testing.comms.sdcvirginia… > > I can do a wget on that uri and download a copy of the footer, and it looks right > > But when I send a message to the list and the message is forwarded, the footer isn't on the messages that members receive > > Looking at mailman.log, I cannot see any attempt to access the footer. I can see connections to the REST API (config, roster/owner, roster/moderator) that correspond to the time I sent the message Can you see an attempt to GET /mailman3/api/templates/list/testing.comms.sdcvirginia.org/list:member:regular:footer in your web server's logs? Is there anything in Django's log? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Social signup?

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/15/23 05:08, Duane Raymond wrote: > > I'll jump over to the developers list when I start this (I'm about to > travel for a week to run an annual event in Oxford - so the far removed > from programming)...but which chatGPT suggested so far was > > 1. Extending postorius/signups.html with a loop to get the configured > social login providers PLUS adding a csrf_token field to the form > 2. Modifying postorius/views.py (which doesn't seem to exist but there > is a postorius/views folder) - so perhaps this is views/urls.py This is not what you want to do for this. The changes need to be in django-mailman3, not postorius. I have attached a patch which might work for you. I think it is good, but some of the wording is stuff that may not be appropriate. See what you think. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: unrequested unsubscription

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/14/23 19:40, Mike Wertheim wrote: > I have a Mailman 3 email list, running on Mailman 3.3.3 on Debian 11. > > A few of the list members are reporting that they received Email Address > Unsubscription Confirmation emails, but claim that they never requested to > be unsubscribed. (All are Gmail users. but they might be coincidental, > since most list members are Gmail users.) > > Has anyone seen this behavior before? Any ideas on what might be happening? Yes. This is someone sending an email `leave` or `unsubscribe` command for the user in question. This may be malicious, i.e. someone doesn't like a user's posts and tries to unsubscribe them, or it may be just spam of some sort. the user should just ignore the email. Beyond that, there's not much you can do unless you can identify from mail logs the source of the requests. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Disable Sign-up per domain

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/31/25 23:00, Mark wrote: > > The traceback does suggest that the SITE does not exist... Yes. Please confirm that the issue only occurs with the modified /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django_mailman3/views/user_adapter.py and does not occur with the original .../user_adapter.py. Also, prior to installing the modified /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django_mailman3/views/user_adapter.py did you have ACCOUNT_ADAPTER = 'django_mailman3.views.user_adapter.DisableSignupAdapter' in your settings or did you only add that with the modified .../user_adapter.py I.e., I'm trying to determine if there is some issue with the modified ../user_adapter.py or if the issue does not involve the modification, but rather just the setting of ACCOUNT_ADAPTER Also, when does this error occur? Does it occur an all web access to the site or only on access to the accounts/signup page? and does the host in the https request make a difference? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Mailing lists sometimes do not honor moderation_action of non-members

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/3/19 6:58 PM, Alan So wrote: > Are there any pointer of documentation that I can clear all _these_nonmembers settings by updating the databases directly or using mailman shell? I am not so familiar with mailman shell though. We expect list owners use moderation_action only for members and non-members. $ bin/mailman shell -l test.example.com Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell The variable 'm' is the test.example.com mailing list >>> m.accept_these_nonmembers = [] >>> m.hold_these_nonmembers = [] >>> m.reject_these_nonmembers = [] >>> m.discard_these_nonmembers = [] That will just blindly clear them all. If you want to see what you're clearing, you could do things like >>> if m.accept_these_nonmembers: ... m.accept_these_nonmembers ... m.accept_these_nonmembers = [] ... which if the list's accept_these_nonmembers is non-empty will display it and then set it empty. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Docker-Setup: example.com in test mails

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/24/22 13:30, Bjoern Franke via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi, > >> >> >> Exactly what messages are you referring to? I don't understand `test >> mails testing for bounces`. >> > > I mean the messages created by > > [mta] > verp_probes: yes I thought that might be what you meant, but you said > To our confusion, test mails testing for bounces are sent from example.com > > From: Mailman mailman(a)example.com > To: Mailman Bounces mailman-bounces(a)example.com > Verp probes are always addressed to the bouncing user, never to mailman-bounces(a)example.com unless mailman-bounces(a)example.com is a list member with bouncing deliveries. They are also from listname-bounces+<token>@example.com, not mailman(a)example.com. I don't know what messages you are looking at, but they don't seem to be verp probes. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Restore/export existing Mailman lists + hyperkitty archives on a new server

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/15/22 01:22, Kimmo L wrote: > Hi Mark! > > I forwarded the same shunted file to you as well, which i sent to Steve. Thanks. I got it and will look further. > About that no "Message-ID" error - Basically it still occurs in mailman.log file even if some other list has been used. And our other lists does not use this "anonymous list" option. Those errors should result in the affected messages being saved as *.pck files in Mailman's var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ directory. Possibly there is only one such 'bad message' which is retried each time there is a new post resulting in the same error. How many such files are there? If only one, please send me that one too. Also, these can be examined with `mailman qfile`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Using the API to create nonmembers with a different moderation action than the list default

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/6/24 11:36 PM, Perry Kollmorgen wrote: > Hi, > > My next challenge is to script the setup of a bunch of nonmembers who have a moderation action of accept (or maybe defer) whilst the list itself has a nonmember action of hold. > > This is due to a relatively heavy use of nested lists, and have a fair number of people who might possibly send to all lists, and are important enough they wouldn't want to be manually allowed each time even if it only once. Note that beginning with Mailman 3.3.10 (not yet released) you can put things like @list2@example.com in accept_these_nonmembers of list1(a)example.com to accept posts from non_members who are members of list2(a)example.com. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1154 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Log Owner/Moderator actions ban address matching.

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/1/25 04:02, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users writes: > > > So this issue can be addressed by making Postorius to log user logins, > > right? > > However, I don't have the patch :) > > I would guess it's probably possible to get Django to do this, quite > possibly using standard configuration to do so. I just don't know > where to look offhand. Postorius can't log logins because it's not Postorius (or HyperKitty) that does the logging in. It is django-allauth. You can see the `Last Login` info for a user in the Django admin web UI under Authentication and Authorization -> Users django-mailman3 does have some involvement with logging in and it might be possible to add logging there, but I don't offhand know where. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: DKIM signatures with message footers or subject prefixes

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/12/22 12:20, Stanisław Findeisen via Mailman-users wrote: > On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 10:41:00AM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> Also, your outgoing MTA should DKIM sign the mail on the way out. With that and the above setting, the outgoing message will have only your >> valid DKIM signature and no prior Authentication-Results:. > > Ok, you mean after replacing the From address with the list address, right? > I can see no way (or sense) to DKIM sign arbitrary From: addresses. Your DKIM signature only says you sent the mail and if the signature validates, the mail hasn't been modified since you signed it. I.e. validation of the signature is a statement to the recipient that the mail received is what you sent. That's all. If the domain of the From: address doesn't align with your domain, the signature won't help with DMARC, but that's a separate issue and why we have DMARC mitigations suck as replacing the From: with the list address. > This actually works quite good: the recipient just gets 2 DKIM signatures. The original one is broken, the MTA-generated one (after writing my list address into From) is OK. This is good enough even for ProtonMail (no red warning). And your rewriting the From: is only necessary for DMARC. If the ProtonMail red flag is only because there was no valid DKIM signature, you shouldn't need to rewrite From:. If it is because of DMARC, you do. > What about this list (mailman-users). It looks this one also has From address replacement + conditional DMARC mitigation. And remove_dkim_headers: no. Correct? This list has DMARC mitigation action = Replace From: and DMARC Mitigate unconditionally = No and remove_dkim_headers: no. We DKIM sign all outgoing mail from lists.mailman3.org. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: LMTP on unix socket

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/20/19 3:55 PM, Hristo Venev via Mailman-users wrote: > How do I configure mailman to use a unix socket for lmtp connections? > Setting > > [mta] > incoming: mailman.mta.null.NullMTA > lmtp_host: /path/to/socket > > does not work. Mailman still tries to create a TCP socket. You can't do this. Mail Delivery is to Mailman's lmtp runner which uses the LMTP class in aiosmtpd <https://aiosmtpd.readthedocs.io/en/latest/> to create an LMTP server which listens for tcp connection on lmtp_host:lmtp_port. You would have to modify mailman/runners/lmtp.py to listen on a unix socket. The docs imply the aiosmtpd.controller.Controller class has a make_socket() method which "allows subclasses to customize the creation of the socket before binding" which I suppose could be used to create a unix socket, but mailman/runners/lmtp.py currently doesn't make use of that. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: HyperKitty async tasks runner: systemd qcluster service fails eventually

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/5/19 6:17 AM, actionmystique(a)gmail.com wrote: > I think I have a lead: after having removed ```Restart=always``` which masked the details about the systemd service failure, I get: ...> Dec 05 15:04:06 samsung4-ubuntu django-admin[1199893]: File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/config.py", line 571, in configure > Dec 05 15:04:06 samsung4-ubuntu django-admin[1199893]: '%r' % name) from e > Dec 05 15:04:06 samsung4-ubuntu django-admin[1199893]: ValueError: Unable to configure handler 'file' ... > ... > 'file':{ > 'level': 'INFO', > #'class': 'logging.handlers.RotatingFileHandler', > 'class': 'logging.handlers.WatchedFileHandler', > ### 'filename': os.path.join(BASE_DIR, 'logs', 'mailmansuite.log'), > 'filename': '/var/log/mailman3/mailmansuite.log', Does the mailman user, 'list' or whatever you have for User=<user> and Group=<group> in the systemd service file have permission to create/write /var/log/mailman3/mailmansuite.log? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 shunting mails

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/5/19 1:40 PM, ikemulder(a)hotmail.com wrote: > > In the script I am filtering for 'mhonarc' ListArchivers, since the duplicate ListArchivers always seem to be mhonarc archivers. > > If this is not the appropriate place, please let me know - I would like to get to the bottom of this :). I see you've also filed <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/657>. Thank you for that. We are as puzzled as you are by this. It would help if you could detect this duplication when it happens and try to get more information. The problem is I can't see how to do that. I would start by adding some logging to the patch_put method of the ListArchivers class in mailman/rest/lists.py to log the list and the request. Then when you see the duplicate, you can check this log to see if anything suspicious happened just prior to that? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Disable archives per list

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/25/21 1:57 AM, Bernd Wurst wrote: > > Can I as the server admin disable archiving (or set other list options) > in a way that the list admin can not change it via postorious? As the server admin, you can enable/disable archivers sitewide. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/config/schema.…> et seq. Note that the prototype archiver, if enabled, stores messages in the file system in maildir format. Normally a list admin can select which of the enabled archivers is active for that list via Postorius. To prevent this, you would have to modify Postorius. It would be easy enough to just remove settings from the relevant templates. > Can I have custom archiver settings per list or per domain > (customer-specific hyperkitty)? I'm not sure what you mean by "custom archiver settings", but other than enable/disable and public/private, probably not. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: auto-away notices as bounces

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/24/21 11:17 AM, Andreas Barth wrote: > > Well, the mail adress got disabled, and the user got warning mails > ("Your subscription for list mailing list has been disabled"). As none > of the list owners did that, I don't think there is any other > explanation. Please note that individualsation was enabled, so all > mails are sent out with per-subscriber mail envelope address, which > then makes bounce detection quite straight-forward. If by 'individualsation was enabled' you mean messages were VERPed, there could be a bug here. There are a couple of considerations. First the vacation responder should not respond to list messages. See <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5230.html#section-4.6>. That said, bounce processing should treat even a VERPed message as unrecognized if it doesn't look like some kind of DSN. This may not be the case in MM 3. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Emergency moderation and clearing out a lot of held messages

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/28/22 12:31, bob B via Mailman-users wrote: > sorry that makes sense, users not senders, but what is the setting for the sender? I have emergency moderation on a list, and if someone sends to the list they get this message: > ************************** > Your mail to 'maillistalpha(a)XXXX.com' with the subject > test > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > The message is being held because: > Emergency moderation is in effect for this list > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive > notification of the moderator's decision. > ****************************************************** > > Can I turn this off for a list? As you suggested in your OP, set "Notify users of held messages" to No. Is that not working? It should. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Walk-thru for Ubuntu Bionic Mailman 3 Full setup

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/8/22 9:16 AM, kisner(a)live.com wrote: > > Just out of curiosity and to try to improve the doc I can do this a little later. But I can tell you for sure the pip install psycopg2-binary<2.9 command failed for me on Ubuntu 22.04 and Debian 11.3. I'm not saying it's *not* me, and I don't know when the last time that doc was updated but I couldn't get it to work on a few different distros. The issue is when you do ``` pip install psycopg2-binary<2.9 ``` your shell (sh, bash, zsh or whatever) interprets `<2.9` as an input redirection and probably says something like `2.9: No such file or directory`. You need to do something like ``` pip install psycopg2-binary\<2.9 ``` or ``` pip install 'psycopg2-binary<2.9' ``` I'll update the doc. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Is there a way to find out when a user subscribed to a list

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/17/24 15:14, Mark wrote: > You can query the mailman database ... > > select email, registered_on,verified_on from mailman.public.address > where email = 'mmasoudf(a)aaas.org' > > > On 2024-04-18 03:19, Mohsen Masoudfar wrote: >> Hi, >> We need to find out when a specific user joined a list. Is there a way >> to get this information? Querying the database in that way is not reliable. Yes, it is correct that the user has both a user record and an address record, and the user record has a created_on date and the address record has both registered_on and verified_on dates, but those are only the creation/verification dates for those records. They are not necessarily the date that that user/address subscribed to any list. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Held messages showing a reason not in English on the Postorious

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/25/24 20:13, Alan KT So (ITSC) wrote: > We just notice a held message from a user's list showing the held reason in Ukrainian, but the interface is in US English and the list's preferred language is English (USA). We could not repeat the issue. What can be the reason behind? > > [cid:image001.png@01DAC7B9.AF2B0400] I'm assuming the image that content filtering removed was a screen shot of the held message view in Postorius. was the sender of the message a list member with preferred language Ukranian? There may be an issue here. The line at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/chains/hold.py… calls format_reasons which will translate the reasons in whatever the current language context is. It should probably explicitly specify the list's preferred language. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Header settings and Gmail

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/29/24 12:25, erik(a)dante.de wrote: > > As a preventive measure, it helps to use DMARC mitigation action with “Replace From: with list address” and “ DMARC Mitigate unconditionally ”. But now some users are unhappy with the From header " Username via Test-liste <test(a)test-liste.org>". They would rather have their email address in it. If your Mailman core version is >=3.3.9 you can add `^.*(a)gmail\.com` to dmarc_addresses (DMARC addresses in Postorius) to apply the mitigation to gmail.com addresses instead of unconditionally, but this won't help your gmail users. > Is there a solution with which Google delivers the mailing list messages without complaining, but the sender email address is also in the “From:”? No. This is just one example of Google/gmail behaving oddly. gmail.com publishes a DMARC policy of none, yet they require incoming email From: the gmail.com domain to pass DMARC -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Language confusion in held mail notifications

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/22/21 2:16 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: > I just upgraded from Mailman 3.2.0 (La Villa Strangiato) to Mailman 3.3.4 (Tom Sawyer) - Docker Mailman v0.3.12. As the language is not possible to set, and the default language is English, I set my user profile to Spanish and the list config to German, to figure out where the changes would take affect. > > After sending a mail to the list as the moderated list user, the resulting notification returned to the users email address is mostly in German, but the reason indicated is in Spanish "El mensaje proviene de un miembro moderado". I am unable to duplicate this in Mailman 3.3.5rc1. I set the list's language to German and a moderated user's language to Spanish. The held message notice to the user was entirely in Spanish and the notice to the admin was entirely in German. User Notice --------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 17:12:50 -0700 From: test-bounces(a)msapiro.net To: mark(a)msapiro.net Subject: Su mensaje a test(a)msapiro.net espera la aprobación del moderador Su mensaje a la lista 'test(a)msapiro.net' con el asunto A test message Ha sido retenido hasta que el moderador de la lista pueda revisarlo y aprobarlo. El mensaje está siendo retenido por: El mensaje proviene de un miembro moderado O bien el mensaje será enviado a la lista, o bien recibirá una notificación con la decisión del moderador. --------------------------------------------------------------- Owner Notice -------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 17:12:50 -0700 From: test-owner(a)msapiro.net To: test-owner(a)msapiro.net Subject: Der Beitrag test(a)msapiro.net von mark(a)msapiro.net muss genehmigt werden [-- Attachment #1 --] [-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: base64, Size: 0.5K --] Ihre Einwilligung als Administrator*in ist für folgende Nachricht an die Mailingliste nötig: Liste: test(a)msapiro.net Absender: mark(a)msapiro.net Betreff: A test message Die Nachricht wurde aus folgenden Gründen zurückgehalten: Die Nachricht kommt von einem moderierten Mitglied Besuchen Sie die Administrations-Seiten, um die Nachricht anzunehmen oder abzulehnen. [-- Attachment #2 --] [-- Type: message/rfc822, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 0.8K --] Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 17:12:48 -0700 From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> To: test(a)msapiro.net Subject: A test message User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) Give this a try. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan [-- Attachment #3 --] [-- Type: message/rfc822, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 0.9K --] Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 17:12:50 -0700 From: test-request(a)msapiro.net Subject: confirm b903b34955e0268e33b011ff9c9ccb7667dce4f2 Wenn Sie auf diese Nachricht antworten und den Subject: Header unverändert lassen wird Mailman die zurückgehaltene Nachricht verwerfen. Tun Sie dies, wenn es sich bei der Nachricht um Spam handelt. Wenn Sie auf die Nachricht antworten und einen Approved: Header mit dem Listenkennwort einfügen, wird Nachricht für die Veröffentlichung auf die Liste genehmigt. Der Approved: Header kann auch in der ersten Zeile des Textes der Antwort erscheinen. --------------------------------------------------------------- -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: no mails to list members

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/4/19 6:49 AM, Thomas Stein wrote: > > While we`re at it. Is /var/lib/mailman3/templates/lists/$listname the right location for customized templates? There are multiple ways to reference templates, but just putting them in that location should work. > Should > I name the template list:member:generic:footer.txt or list_member_generic_footer.txt? Your list was created with an older version of import21. That version named the templates it stored with underscores rather than colons and set the URI for that template to use the underscore name. Thus, without changing the URI for the template, you need to continue to use the underscore name for those templates, but for other templates, you can use the name with colons and not worry about the URI. > Is there some documentation > what variables i can put in those templates? See <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/templates.ht…>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Delete Django profiles not signed up to a list

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/8/21 1:22 AM, r.woithe(a)callassoftware.com wrote: > Hello, > > i did try the script and unfortunately there is a problem. The script is deleting django-users are not member,nonmember ... of any lists.But thats not the point. Its ok if a user want to be only a django-user to see the archives and work with them. If a user sign's up for an account at /accounts/signup/ and then confirms her address, she will then be a Mailman user with a user and an address record even though not a member of any lists. > The script should delete django-users who dont confirm your email address. Change one line in the script from ``` if mm_user is None or len(list(mm_user.memberships.members)) == 0: ``` to ``` if mm_user is None: ``` And it will do what you want. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: moderation notices for list-owner being redirected to mailman address

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/9/22 16:12, Philippe B wrote: > Ah, thanks for that. > > I've done `owner.preferences.delivery_status = DeliveryStatus.enabled` for those 2 lists. > > Is there an easy way to find out all the other owners that don't have `<DeliveryStatus.enabled: 1>` ? ``` $ bin/mailman shell Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. >>> for mlist in getUtility(IListManager).mailing_lists: ... for admin in mlist.administrators.members: ... if admin.delivery_status != DeliveryStatus.enabled: ... print(f'List: {mlist.list_name}, ' ... f'Admin: {admin.address.email}, ' ... f'Role: {admin.role}, ' ... f'Status: {admin.delivery_status}') And optionally, ... admin.preferences.delivery_status = DeliveryStatus.enabled ... print('Enabled.') ... (output here) >>> commit() >>> ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Restore/export existing Mailman lists + hyperkitty archives on a new server

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/5/22 07:02, Kimmo L wrote: > > The only concern I've observed and I'm trying to solve right now is with memory. Not sure whats consumes the memory gradually, so that it will start consume also swap memory and eventually you can find"OSError: write error" entries in uwsgi-error.log or "django.request Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/" in mailmanweb.log > Do i need to modify my uwsgi.ini configuration maybe ? > Server has 2CPU and 5GB RAM. We have seen reports of memory leaks, but no solutions. We do not see these issues on any of the production servers we manage. The server that hosts this lists has 4GB RAM and that seems fine for a server doing just Mailman. Our servers use gunicorn, not uwsgi, so this could be a uwsgi issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Badsignature on uwsgi-error.log

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/20/24 14:25, Helio Loureiro wrote: > Hi, > > I keep receiving a lot of errors like this: > > --- Logging error --- > Traceback (most recent call last): ... > "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django_q/core_signing.py", > line 55, in unsign > raise BadSignature('Signature "%s" does not match' % sig) > django.core.signing.BadSignature: Signature "F6V0Dr_SvBsx5-cY8vcvLXrX8tA" > does not match ... > > The api_key on mailman-hypperkitty.cfg, SECRET_KEY and MAILMAN_ARCHIVE_KEY > on setting.py are the same. Of those three, the api_key on mailman-hypperkitty.cfg and MAILMAN_ARCHIVE_KEY must match. SECRET_KEY is different. It is a Django thing and has nothing to do with the others. See https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/5.0/ref/settings/#secret-key If you changed it, that's the issue. If you know what it was previously, you could set the previous value in SECRET_KEY_FALLBACKS, see https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/5.0/ref/settings/#secret-key-fallbacks -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Bulk delivery status change?

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/10/24 08:34, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 7:16 PM Stephen Daniel <swd(a)pobox.com> wrote: > >> Mistakes were made, and for while every single outbound email bounced. >> I've fixed the mistakes, but now in my largest and most active email list, >> every single user's delivery status is "Disabled by Bounces". >> >> Is there a way to bulk fix this? Or do I have to go into each user, one at >> a time, and fix them? > > Please see this thread: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… The script in that post does all lists. For a single list see https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… but note that the command line ``` $ shell -l list(a)example.com ``` should be ``` $ mailman shell -l list(a)example.com ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

11 months

[MM3-users] Re: New releases

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/9/20 1:05 AM, Danil Smirnov wrote: > On Tue, 9 Jun 2020 at 00:05, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> After you upgraded did you run these django-admin commands? >> ``` >> django-admin collectstatic --clear --noinput --verbosity 0 >> django-admin compress >> django-admin compilemessages >> django-admin migrate >> ``` >> These 4 commands should be run after every update to Postorius, >> HyperKitty or django_mainlman3. >> > > Hm, interesting... Could you point me to some related docs please? The documentation is weak and should be updated, but see <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/upgrade-3.2.html#migration-steps> > To upgrade, I've just bumped app versions in my Dockerfiles, built and > restarted... > Mailman-core worked right away with no issues. > Mailman-web (Hyperkitty) failed with the error: > > ---------- > ERROR 2020-06-08 19:46:41,942 14 django.request Internal Server Error: > /hyperkitty/ > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/compressor/base.py", line 282, in > precompile > mod = import_module(mod_name) > File "/usr/lib/python3.6/importlib/__init__.py", line 126, in > import_module > return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) > File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 994, in _gcd_import > File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 971, in _find_and_load > File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 953, in _find_and_load_unlocked > ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'sassc -t compressed {infile} > {outfile}' ... > I've fixed the error by removing the older file which is > /opt/mailman-web-data/static/hyperkitty/libs/bootstrap/stylesheets/_bootstrap.scss > > After that everything seems to be working fine. I'm not sure about the above error. 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}' is defined in `settings` COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS, but it is a command to be run as part of `django-admin compress`, not a module to be imported. Possibly running `django-admin compress` before starting Hyperkitty would have avoided this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty.views.mailman Could not archive the email with message-id '<snip>': A string literal cannot contain NUL (0x00) characters

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/11/21 12:59 PM, Gilles Filippini wrote: > Hi, > > I have this error message repeating endlessly into the mailman-web logs. > The related list is an open one on which we receive spam sometimes. I > understand these emails can me malformed and cause this error. How to > deal with them? They can't stay forever at the hyperkitty door. The message is queued at `var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/`. The files in that directory are Python pickles. You can examine them with the `mailman qfile` command and delete the spam ones. You will also find log messages in `var/logs/mailman.log` with tracebacks, but presumably you know that as one such is the Subject: of this message. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Default setting for Delivery status

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/10/22 15:31, Mark Dale via Mailman-users wrote: > > Where and how do I set the default setting of "Delivery status" to be > "Enabled". It already is. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/core/constants… > I'm not seeing any clues in mailman3-web/settings.py > > At the moment, a new subscriber is neither "Enabled" or "Disabled". That's because the member's list based preferences for that list are not set, so we fall back to address based preferences if set and finally to global preferences where Delivery status is enabled. Log in to Postorius and select Mailman settings from the dropdown on the upper right at your user name to see more. New list members don't have and list based preferences for that list and just fall back to their address based preferences or global preferences. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: Message getting held due to max number of recipients and maximum message size

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/22/23 11:37, Wong, Wesley wrote: > > Currently, the settings are set to 0 for both settings on the list so I am not sure where mailman is getting the default settings. Is this default hard coded somewhere in the Mailman core? The version of Mailman running is 3.3.6. This is very strange. Are you certain the list's settings are 0? Are there possibly two lists in different domains or otherwise similar names and you are looking at the wrong one? The only place where the defaults are set is in mailman/styles/base.py and this only affects the default settings for a new list. The values in the ``` Message has more than 10 recipients The message is larger than the 40 KB maximum size ``` messages come from the list's settings. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: configuring postfix local recipient table

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/29/25 00:17, Alexander Inzinger-Zrock via Mailman-users wrote: > [Status] > > Suggestion: > > It seems, we are wasting to much time with a probably messed up system. > I suggest, that i do as initially suggested [1] and start over with a > reinstall. > > Last idea before that would be to > > 1. delete the files: > > -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 Mar 21 11:58 postfix_domains > -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 12K Mar 24 11:44 postfix_domains.db > -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 Mar 21 11:58 postfix_lmtp > -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 12K Mar 24 11:44 postfix_lmtp.db > > 2. restart services > > 3. test if programms make new files > > 4. report to mailinglist > > Would that be of interest to someone? Yes. Also, is there anything in Mailman's logs from the time you ran `mailman aliases`? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Fwd: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/2/21 1:55 PM, David Partain via Mailman-users wrote: > On Tue, 2021-03-02 at 13:43 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> Unless you want to remove the Ubuntu package and install everything >> with >> pip, you need to just stick with what you have that at least partly >> works and we'll try to determine how to fix the utf8mb4 issue. > > Hi Mark, > > You're a very patient soul. Thank you. > > Yes, I'm resigned to exactly that. The archives when folks send emojis > will break, but that's just life. Mail will get sent. Heck, I guess I > could edit the file in /var/lib/mailman3/archives/hyperkitty/spool to > get rid of the emoji in the worst case... You would need to do that, because once one of the `emoji` messages gets into /var/lib/mailman3/archives/hyperkitty/spool, I think no further messages are archived because mailman_hyperkitty tries to process the queued messages first and throws the exception. But, it's still not clear to me whether you have removed the settings_local.pyc and restarted uWSGI or whatever interfaces to Django. > Once I've migrated my 1500 mailing lists (this weekend) to the server, > I'll think about how to get a new server set up that I can shift to and > I'll install that with pip, since that'll clearly give me something > more supportable. > > Is Ubuntu 20.04 a reasonable platform for that? Yes it is. FWIW, this list runs bleeding edge Mailman 3 on an Ubuntu 14.04 server (yes we should upgrade), the only issue being that we needed to install Python 3.6 (the latest at the time) from source because the native Python 3 was 3.4 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Time Zone Issue in Postorius

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/4/22 09:48, Andy Summers wrote: > Hello, > > I'm encountering an error that sounds similar to this previous thread: > > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > I've tried setting my TIME_ZONE to 'UTC' in my settings.py and > settings_local.py files (and restarting Mailman), but when I check the > datetime for a held message in Postorius, the datetime seems to be > pushed +8 hours unexpectedly. > > My Postorius account time zone is set to "US/Pacific". The appropriate setting for Django is always `TIME_ZONE = 'UTC'`because the time passed from Mailman core is a naive datetime.datetime object and is actually UTC. This should then display the time in your account timezone since Postorius 1.3.4. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/531 If this isn't working in Postorius >=1.3.4, it's a Django issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Templates do not work

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/28/22 02:50, Eggert Ehmke wrote: > I created some templates in Postorius to get > personalized notifications when there are > moderator requests. The notifications I get seem to > be the standard texts. When I look into mailman/ > mm/var/templates > the directory is empty. Nevertheless, the templates I > create in Postorius seem to be stored (where?), they > just do not work. As Steve said the templates are stored in the database. I suspect the issue is and incorrect value for `POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL` in your Django settings. This is used to construct the URI to retrieve the template. The URI is stored in the `template` table in the database. It is normally just `http(s)://host.name/` If this is the issue, after correcting the setting and restarting the web service, you will need to delete and re-enter the template in Postorius to correct the `template` table entry. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: combine postorius and hyperkitty into one Apache vhost

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/29/22 05:51, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote: > Hi, > > I'm in the process to set up a new mailman3 site. > (Migrating from mailman2) > > There are RPMs for my distribution which integrate postorius and > hyperkitty with uwsgi. I think you'll be much happier if you don't use the distro's RPMs which are probably out of date and instead follow <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html>. Those instructions use uWSGI as a WSGI interface, but Gunicorn <https://gunicorn.org/> is what is used on the site supporting this list. The advantages of Gunicorn are it's already installed as a dependency of Mailman core, and it's what the Mailman developers are more familiar with. I'll work on updating <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html> to include Gunicorn as an alternative. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Internal Server Error, Need 2 values to unpack in for loop; got 1

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/11/24 11:06 AM, Elias Rudberg wrote: > Hello! > > I am using mailman3 (version 3.3.8) and it mostly works fine, but > sometimes (usually several times every day) the error below appears. > > Any suggestions for what could be done about this? ... > Here is what the error message looks like: > ------------------------------------------- > > [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: > /mailman3/postorius/lists/ > > Internal Server Error: /mailman3/postorius/lists/ > > ValueError at /postorius/lists/ > Need 2 values to unpack in for loop; got 1. Can you get the page at /mailman3/postorius/lists/ and /mailman3/postorius/lists/?all-lists If those are OK, look in your web server access logs for `GET /mailman3/postorius/lists/` messages with the same timestamp as those errors. Is there some bogus query fragment on those? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Django Internal Server Error on held_messages

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/24/22 04:02, Hasan Berkay Çağır via Mailman-users wrote: > Hello, > > We've been running a Mailman3 instance with Debian 10's official package: > > Mailman Core Version: GNU Mailman 3.2.1 (La Villa Strangiato) > Mailman Core API Version: 3.0 > Mailman Core Python Version: 3.7.3 (default, Jan 22 2021, 20:04:44) [GCC 8.3.0] > > For some reason, and only on some lists, when we try to see held messages on Postorius, we get an error message "An error occurred while processing your request." and the following error email: > > """ > Internal Server Error: /postorius/lists/list.example.com/held_messages As Andrew suggests, you will probably find exceptions with tracebacks in Mailman core's mailman.log. This is probably /var/log/mailman/mailman.log in the Debian package. If you find such and you can't determine the problem from them, post one here. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Error while Approving a Post Through Email

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/14/22 01:45, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Alex A.J. writes: > > line 1132, in identify_record > > raise exc.UnknownHashError("hash could not be identified") > > passlib.exc.UnknownHashError: hash could not be identified > > Dec 13 17:01:41 2022 (2677611) SHUNTING: > > 1670931101.6040337+d5806b00b2b9d03f25db396639f66f3a26516178 > > This looks like maybe you have the wrong password? > > Maybe Mark or Abhilash has a more concrete suggestion, I've never used > the Approved header with Mailman 3. I don't have more time to look at this now, but I think it's a bug. This patch ``` --- a/src/mailman/rules/approved.py +++ b/src/mailman/rules/approved.py @@ -140,6 +140,7 @@ class Approved: mpw = mlist.moderator_password else: mpw = mlist.moderator_password.decode('utf-8') + mpw = config.password_context.encrypt(mpw) is_valid, new_hash = config.password_context.verify(password, mpw) if is_valid and new_hash: # Hash algorithm migration. ``` may fix it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: 404 on fresh install (Debian11)

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/23/23 08:42, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 6:13 PM thomas--- via Mailman-users < > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > >> Thanks both of you. I didn't know Debian11 version is out of date. I will >> try using pip. >> > No. Debian 11 is _not_ out of date. It's just that the preferred and easy > to support installation method is using the virtualenv. The Debian stable mailman packages definitely ARE out of date. bullseye (stable) has Mailman core 3.3.3 and django-mailman3 1.3.5 (current releases are 3.3.8 and 1.3.9 respectively) It is unclear what Postorius and HyperKitty versions are in mailman3-web 0+20200530-2. bookworm (testing) and sid (unstable) do have current versions of Mailman core and django-mailman3 and possibly mailman3-web 0+20200530-2.1 has current Postorius and HyperKitty, but those are generally not the Debian packages that most users would install. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postfix SMTP REJECT non-subscribers

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/10/24 12:26 AM, Matthew Blissett via Mailman-users wrote: > > With Mailman 2, I have configuration and scripts to reject non-members > from posting to lists _during the SMTP connection_. This is better than > bouncing (no backscatter), better than discarding messages (the user > finds out) and better than moderation (spammy messages aren't forwarded > to external email systems). > > > The configuration and scripts are described here: > https://code.launchpad.net/~jimpop/mailman/check_subscriber > > > Is anything like this built-in to Mailman 3? I cannot find it in Gitlab. No. nothing similar is built in to Mailman 3, but it shouldn't be difficult to implement. It could be done with a milter as in the above implementation, or it could be done by modifying the _handle_RCPT function in mailman/runners/lmtp.py to check if the sender is a member of the recipient list. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: mail stuck in "out" queue

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/10/24 07:44, pdw(a)mythic-beasts.com wrote: > > The messages were constantly re-appearing in the "out" queue with different file names (I assume they were going via the retry queue). First check to ensure there are no files in Mailman's var/templates/ directory that are not readable by the Mailman user. That can cause this issue. > After multiple restarts trying to get some debug information, the hard loop seems to have stopped recurring, and the messages are sat in the "shunt" queue. They've not been delivered to recipients, but they are in the hyperkitty archive. The shunted messages should have a SHUNTING entry with an exception and traceback in mailman.log. If there were files unreadable by Mailman in Mailman's var/templates/ directory and you have corrected that, you can move the shunted messages back to their original queue with `mailman unshunt`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

10 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 on new Debian 12 installation, got ssl apache working on all URLs except /mailman3

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/31/25 06:26, Philip Bondi wrote: > My /etc/mailman3/urls.py is empty. > > Should I, like it indicates in https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > cp /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman_web/urls.py /etc/mailman3/urls.py > chown mailman:mailman /etc/mailman3/urls.py > and add to /etc/mailman3/settings.py > > ROOT_URLCONF = 'urls' You can do all of that, but it's probably unnecessary. What is in /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman_web/urls.py? compare it to https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-web/-/blob/master/mailman_web/urls.py > After completing above, https://systemdatabase.ca/mailman3 still gives > Service Unavailable It appears that https://systemdatabase.ca/postorius works so the issue is almost certainly that your urls.py is missing path('mailman3/', include('postorius.urls')), -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Relay Access Denied

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/22/25 10:25 AM, jkoral(a)luc.edu wrote: > Here is what I have in postfox_lmtp. Do I need to add another line for joetest(a)lists.luc.edu as well? > > joetest(a)listservnew.luc.edu lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 > joetest-bounces(a)listservnew.luc.edu lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 > joetest-confirm(a)listservnew.luc.edu lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 > joetest-join(a)listservnew.luc.edu lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 > joetest-leave(a)listservnew.luc.edu lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 > joetest-owner(a)listservnew.luc.edu lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 > joetest-request(a)listservnew.luc.edu lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 > joetest-subscribe(a)listservnew.luc.edu lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 > joetest-unsubscribe(a)listservnew.luc.edu lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 If you want to address the lists @lists.luc.edu, the list names should be, e.g. joetest(a)lists.luc.edu, not joetest(a)listservnew.luc.edu. If you want to be able to use either domain for list mail, that's more involved. If you want this, say so and as I have time I can make suggestions., but I suspect you really only want to use the lists.luc.edu domain. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Problems with SPOOFED_UNAUTH

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/9/25 08:42, M.Ede via Mailman-users wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I use mailman together with mailcow and have configured my mailing list as follows: > - Anonymous list: Yes > - DMARC mitigation action: Replace From: with list address > - DMARC Mitigate unconditionally: Yes > > My problem is that my emails are not being accepted by mailcow (rspamd) with the error > SPOOFED_UNAUTH (50.00) > ... > What am I still doing wrong? Can you help me, which setting is still missing? > What informations are you still missing? I doubt that this has anything to do with the ARC-*, Authentication-Results or DKIM-Signature headers you quote. There are some threads on SPOOFED_UNAUTH in the mailcow community forum, e.g. https://community.mailcow.email/d/403-spoofed-unauth-rspamd and https://community.mailcow.email/d/637-problems-with-emails-keep-getting-rej… Also see https://www.reddit.com/r/mailcow/comments/12lhw8e/whitelist_ip/ These came up in a google search for SPOOFED_UNAUTH. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 month, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Installation Questions [Installation}

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/3/24 11:31, Arte Chambers via Mailman-users wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I'm running Ubuntu 24.10 and following the Virtualenv instructions > <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#setup-mailman-u…>. > When creating the mailman user per the instructions I find that the mailman > user doesn't have sufficient permissions to do things later in the > installation such as creating files in /etc. What steps should I take to > ensure that the mailman user has the correct permissions to install the > Mailman app. We should probably cover this in the docs, but for /etc/mailman3, you should do ``` sudo mkdir /etc/mailman3 sudo chown mailman:mailman /etc/mailman3 sudo chmod 755 /etc/mailman3 ``` Then you can create all the subordinate files as the mailman user. For other things like the systemd service and the postfix and web server configs, you need to do them as root (via sudo). -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

11 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Mail configuration

by Mark Sapiro

On 03/23/2018 10:05 AM, Darren Smith wrote: > > We have been told that "warming up" the IP is the way to go - that is, > cutting over just some of the traffic a little at a time. So what I am > looking for is a way for all mail on our domain to be sent to our current > mailman installation, and based on some configuration (certain mailing > lists?) certain emails being sent out to the list subscribers will first be > forwarded to the new server and be sent from the new IP address. > > Does that make sense? > > Does anyone know a way that mailman/postfix can be configured to accomplish > this? Is this Mailman 3 or Mailman 2.1? The Mailman side of this would be different depending on which. If it's Mailman 2.1, a better list is mailman-users(a)python.org <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Fresh installation mailman3-suite via "pipx" - any experiences yet?

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/25/24 12:20, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 4:43 PM Wikinaut <mail(a)tgries.de> wrote: > >> I recently found the "pipx" wrapper very useful and wanted to ask you if >> this could be facilitate the fresh installation of the mailman3-suite. >> Has anyone in the list already experiences installing mailman and >> mailmanweg through "pipx"? ... > > if pipx doesn't create a virtual > environment, then there is no difference with installing MM3 using apt! pipx apparently does create virtual environments. See https://pipx.pypa.io/stable/comparisons/ The thing there that concerns me is "pipx replaces a subset of pip's functionality; it lets you install cli applications but NOT libraries that you import in your code." What does this say about the multiple dependencies that we install. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Question: What happens if I delete a user from all lists and that user is sole owner of some list?

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/3/24 04:07, David Partain via Mailman-users wrote: > > I might have been able to manage them using the command line on the old > installation, but there is no 'mailman delmembers' on that box. There is bin/remove_members. > My question is: If one of these users is the sole owner of a list, what > will happen? Will the user be deleted and that list now owner-less? > Will mailman refuse to delete that user until I add a new owner? The `mailman delmembers` command deletes only members, i.e those with MemberRole member. It does not delete owners, moderators or nonmembers. You may also be interested in the script at https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/clean_users.py -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 Issue

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/13/18 7:10 AM, jon.kokko(a)us.fujitsu.com wrote: > I've gone through a few iterations of recreating the domains with the same result. > > After the commented header, my postfix_domains contains: > > <empty line> > domain.org<single whitespace>domain.org > <empty line> OK. Apparently the first sentence of the OP in this thread, "For some weird reason, the file /mailman/var/data/postfix_domains has a whitespace added to every mail domain.", doesn't apply in your case and may have been unrelated to the actual issue throwing the exception. The "KeyError" is also misleading. In the OP traceback at least that comes during error handling of the original exception. See the line During handling of the above exception (HTTP Error 500: b'A server error occurred. Please contact the administrator.'), another exception occurred: You need to look in mailman.log to see if you can find more info about the '500'. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Invalid FilterAction: discard. Treating as discard

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/6/19 6:02 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: > > Still, attachments (PDF) is removed by Mailman. I as the list admin to send a new mail, but hold it back, to see what type it is. You have to add the MIME types for the attachments you want kept the the list's pass_types. You need to do this via mailman shell or REST as it isn't currently exposed in Postorius. Here's an example from a list that wants to accept PDFs as well as word processing and spreadsheet documents. Note that nappdf and x-pdf are uncommon PDF subtypes that I have seen. ['multipart', 'message/rfc822', 'text/plain', 'text/html', 'application/pdf', 'application/nappdf', 'application/x-pdf', 'application/rtf', 'application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.spreadsheet', 'application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.sheet', 'application/vnd.ms-excel', 'application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text', 'application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document', 'application/msword' ] -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Chinese characters in list name shows question mark (?)

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/23/19 5:22 PM, Franklin Weng wrote: > > Franklin Weng 於 2019/10/24 上午8:05 寫道: >> >> What may be possible wrong that I couldn't see Preferred Language >> settings in the web interface? > > I got it. It is implemented in postorius 1.2.5 but my Debian buster > contains 1.2.4-1 for now. Actually, there is no 1.2.5. The next release after 1.2.4 is 1.3.0, but you can still set preferred_language for the list using the REST API or mailman shell. For example in mailman shell $ mailman shell -l zh-l10n.lists.linux.org.tw Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell The variable 'm' is the zh-l10n.lists.linux.org.tw mailing list >>> m.preferred_language <Language [en] English (USA)> >>> m.preferred_language = 'zh_TW' >>> m.preferred_language <Language [zh_TW] Chinese (Taiwan)> >>> commit() -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Migration from 2.1 to 3

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/20/19 7:26 AM, brunol(a)agro.uba.ar wrote: > Hi, > > I am in the process to migrate an old 2.1 installation to 3.2.1 (Debian 10.1) > Following the 2.1 to 3 docs: > - Create a new list > - Use the import21 command > The command runs successfully (at least no errors in stdout). There is a problem when sending an email to the newly imported list, the message never get send to the members. I do get moderation emails, and if i do a mass subscribe, the welcome email is received by the new members. Are you saying that when a post is sent to the list, it is held for moderation, and when you approve it, it is not delivered? Or are the moderation messages from some other lists? Are there any non-digest members with delivery enabled? Is the MTA (which MTA) delivering the message to Mailman's REST runner? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: I like your style, but what is it?

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/26/21 9:12 PM, Stephen Willey Mats Mats wrote: > > How do I get a dump of list settings for each style. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/styles/base.py> and <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/styles/default…>. > Thanks, > steve > > p.s. the search on https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/README.html gives results but every link needs to have ‘projects/mailman/‘ removed from the url to work. Or have its domain changed from `mailman.readthedocs.io` to `docs.mailman3.org`. If you start at <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/> or just go to <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/README.html>, I think everything works. Granted, search from <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/README.html> should work too, but I'm not sure offhand whether its a Sphinx or a Read the Docs issue or how to fix it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Re-send subscription response and file permission error in queue

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/11/20 2:18 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 9/8/20 10:56 PM, accounts-mailman(a)holbrook.no wrote: >> A user sent subscription request to the `..-join@` address of a list. Email domain wasn't set up properly, so response got rejected. Now, if the user tries to send another request, no reponse comes back. In the log I find a python stack trace saying subscription already pending. >> >> ``` >> Sep 08 10:32:44 2020 (19918) Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 171, in _one_iteration >> self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) >> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 264, in _process_one_file >> keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) >> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/runners/command.py", line 196, in _dispose >> mlist, msg, msgdata, parts, results) >> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/commands/eml_membership.py", line 104, in process >> ISubscriptionManager(mlist).register(subscriber) >> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 520, in register >> list(workflow) >> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ >> return step() >> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 227, in _step_sanity_checks >> raise SubscriptionPendingError(self.mlist, self.address.email) >> mailman.interfaces.subscriptions.SubscriptionPendingError >> ``` > > > I'll look at this when I get some time. I'm still catching up after > being off line for 12 days. This exception should also send a response to the user's email saying "User <user(a)example.com has a pending subscription for list(a)example.net" Was this sent? To fix, >> How can I remove the pending subscription, or re-send the response email? > > In Postorius, pull down Subscription Requests and select Pending > Confirmation and delete the request. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman 3 api php

by Mark Sapiro

On 03/14/2017 05:24 AM, david.terni(a)gmail.com wrote: > Hi, > I apologize if this is't the right place but I don't understand how connect mailman 3 with api and php/CURL. It's possibile to do it? I tried to use the same url used with mailman2 but doesn't work. Mailman 3 is completely different from Mailman 2 in this respect. While it would be possible to use php/CURL to post to Postorius analagously to posting to the Mailman 2 web UI, this is not how it is done. Mailman 3 core exposes a RESTful api on localhost. Both Postorius and HyperKitty use this UI to communicate with the core and you should too. Start at <http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/release-3.0/src/mailman/rest/docs/basic.ht…>. The "Previous" link will take you to the section on Addresses and the "Next" links will take you through the rest of the REST api. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Upgrade path

by Mark Sapiro

On 08/08/2017 04:42 AM, David Krantz wrote: > > What is the rekommended way to upgrade to the newest version? (newest > _usable_ version, of course)? Is it docker-only with a migration from > the current solution to a docker based? If so, any ideas or pointers > on how to go about this? You may find this wiki article helpful <https://wiki.list.org/x/17891998>. I started with bundler on both this (lists.mailman3.org) and the mail.python.org installs, but have been updating from the heads of the various gitlab branches since very early on. At the moment, these installations are somewhat ahead of the 3.1 release, but I am not updating as the latest core has dropped Python 3.4 support, and I haven't yet installed Python 3.5 or 3.6 on these (Ubuntu 14.04) servers. (I will probably install 3.6 from source at some point.) Please feel free to ask here if you have more specific questions. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Welcome Message

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/16/19 9:18 AM, brian(a)emwd.com wrote: > Thanks Mark. I added the POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL to my settings: > > /opt/mailman/web/settings_local.py > > Now I get the following errors: ... > requests.exceptions.SSLError: HTTPSConnectionPool(host='mailman3.emwd.com', port=443): Max retries exceeded with url: /postorius/api/templates/list/testlist.mailman3.emwd.com/list:user:notice:welcome (Caused by SSLError(SSLError(1, '[SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed (_ssl.c:841)'),)) > Apr 16 15:38:44 2019 (28) 172.19.199.3 - - "POST /3.1/members HTTP/1.1" 500 59 > > I am confused by the SSL errors. I have a valid SSL certificate installed on mailman3.emwd.com. These errors occur whether the POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL is using http or https. I'm confused too. What happens if you just do in a python3 interactive session >>> import requests >>> response = requests.get('https://mailman3.emwd.com/postorius/api/templates/list/testlist.mailman3.em…') and if you get this far >>> response.status_code >>> response.text -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty issue(s)

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/28/20 3:00 PM, brylon(a)oit.rutgers.edu wrote: > > I seem to have archives working on posts now, however, during my troubleshooting I moved away some archives/hyperkitty/spool/*.pck files and was wondering if/when I put them back is there a django-admin/hyperkitty command to run and process those again? (and if not I'm pretty confident the next post to any list? would slurp them all into hyperkitty anyway?) Your confidence is not misplaced. Every time mailman_hyperkitty receives a post from Mailman to be archived, it first tries to reprocess all the messages queued in archives/hyperkitty/spool/. There is no Django command because neither Django nor HyperKitty is directly involved. This is all mailman_hyperkitty which is a shim between Mailman and HyperKitty. Mailman talks to mailman_hyperkitty directly via the configured mailman_hyperkitty.Archiver class ``` [archiver.hyperkitty] class: mailman_hyperkitty.Archiver ``` and mailman_hyperkitty talks to HyperKitty via the API at the base_url configured in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: File "/usr/lib/python2.7/httplib.py", line 1148, in getresponse raise ResponseNotReady()

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/7/20 12:39 AM, r.woithe(a)callassoftware.com wrote: > Hallo, > cause of we import our lists from mailman 2.1 to mailman3 as Alex Schuilenburg did, i did take a look in hyperkitty_sender and find an address like it is discribed above ( "firstname surename"@... ); i did insert,update and delete this address. > Now the sync is working and all is fine. Good. I'm glad you solved it. > Well, excuse my ignorance; cause of i have import the patch and set the logging level to debug but i could not find any more detailed error messages into the log files. I don't know why the patch didn't work. It should have produced warning level messages in the Django log as configured in settings(_local).py. Anyway, the issu is solved and you can remove the patch. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: Customising hyperkitty and postorius

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/18/20 5:16 PM, peter(a)chubb.wattle.id.au wrote: > > Hi, > I've put up a mailman3 instance, with hyperkitty enabled, and > imported all my mailman2.1 archives -- it all seems to be > working. > > How do I now customise the look and feel of my site? > > In particular, I'd like to render archived emails with a > monospace font, and I'd like to change the colour scheme and > styles of all the pages to match other pages on the same website. HyperKitty will display a message in monospace if you click the 'A' icon at the bottom of the message. I don't know offhand how you would make that the default. For styles, they are mostly SCSS in the directory hyperkitty/static and CSS in the directory postorius/static/postorius. I think you'd have to find the relevant styles and edit them. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Error Logging - what changed with the New Year releases?

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/14/23 01:19, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > Apart from all the defaults in settings.py (derived from gitlab), I also > have this line: > LOGGING['handlers']['file']['filename'] = > '/opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/mailmanweb.log' > > Before the New Year releases of MM3, I used to get errors written to this > file. > Not anymore after I updated to the New Year releases. > Another thing that I have realized is that prior to the New Year releases, > I would get an error logged to that file and also mailed to me. > I don't think that I have changed anything in settings,py related to > logging. Nothing in those releases per se would affect this. This is Django and django-allauth. Perhaps when you updated the Mailman packages, you also updated these dependencies. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Configure new list via REST API - trying to add moderators

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/11/24 14:32, Andy Matthews wrote: > One quick follow up. I'm making a subscribe request for a moderator. I'm passing in list_id, subscriber, and role (moderator). The request is returning a 201 response, but when I shell into the mailman server and inspect the list directly it shows there are no moderators. I've confirmed the list id, and I can see a list of regular members, but when I use the command line, the only version of the query which shows members is the default: `mailman members <list name>`. Does `mailman members <list name> --role moderator` show the moderator? The following works for me: ``` curl -urestadmin:restpass \ --request POST \ -H 'Content-Type: application/json' \ --data-binary '{"list_id": "list.example.com", "subscriber": "someone(a)example.com", "role": "moderator"}' \ http://localhost:8001/3.1/members ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Five Year Old Issue

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/13/21 8:07 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > Any chance to get this implemented in time for the next Mailman 3 core > release? > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/19 > > It's been 5 years. It's not simple. The issue is delivery_mode is an attribute of the member, and when an email join command is processed, there is no member yet because the request is waiting confirmation so join processing can't just set the delivery_mode. It would require an additional argument to the ISubscriptionManager interface register() method for the delivery mode and then carrying that with the subscription workflow until there is actually a member to apply it to. And tests have to be written for all of that. That's not to say that it shouldn't be fixed, just that it's not something that can be knocked out in an hour. Anybody care to take it on? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Issue converting table charset to utf8mb4 on mysql

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/23/24 12:14, Helio Loureiro wrote: > So the question is whether it is possible to change the types in this table. > > MariaDB [mailman3]> desc pendedkeyvalue; > +-----------+----------------+------+-----+---------+----------------+ > | Field | Type | Null | Key | Default | Extra | > +-----------+----------------+------+-----+---------+----------------+ > | id | int(11) | NO | PRI | NULL | auto_increment | > | key | varchar(255) | YES | MUL | NULL | | > | value | varchar(20000) | YES | MUL | NULL | | > | pended_id | int(11) | YES | MUL | NULL | | > +-----------+----------------+------+-----+---------+----------------+ > 4 rows in set (0.001 sec) > > key and value are varchar. Can any of them be changed to text instead? > Perhaps even both? I wouldn't bother. The keys and values in the pendedkeyvalue table should all be OK as latin1. That's why that table wasn't included in the migration at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/database/alemb… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users]Re: Request for assistance for fresh install of Mailman 3.0.3 and Python 3.4

by Mark Sapiro

On 05/28/2016 02:19 PM, Rubén Rivero Capriles wrote: > > (please note that I earlier replied this by email, as I notice that it doesn't show up on the list website I am reposting. Hopefully it won't be repeated. I've been looking through archive posts and some are double. Would be interesting to check if my reply from half an hour ago will eventually get posted. If it gets, my apologies!) Your initial reply was sent to the list members. It should have been archived, but it wasn't. That is my fault as I was experimenting with a Python 3 version of mailman.client which didn't work and then for a short time I had stopped the web services but not the core, and your post arrived during that window and was unable to be archived. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 3.1 beta coming soon

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/10/2016 12:52 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > Please do rebase and if you can, remilestone the MR to 3.1. We'll get it in. Done. There is one "temporary" commit in my MR to work around <https://github.com/sphinx-doc/sphinx/issues/3212> and get "docs" to pass. >> I can also work on Postorius. Also in this vein I have a question. >> Should the DMARC settings be added to the Alter Messages tab in the List >> Settings view or would it be better to have a separate DMARC Mitigations >> tab. > > My gut reaction is to add a separate DMARC Mitigations tab, but Florian and > Terri have final say I think. I have a WIP MR at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/merge_requests/194> that adds a tab. Maybe Florian and Terri can look at that and chime in. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Log rotation

by Mark Sapiro

On 04/10/2018 03:04 PM, Darren Smith wrote: > > 1) Has anyone come up with a good log rotation strategy that doesn't > necessitate a restart of the service? I think Abhilash has answered this, but for completeness, here's what I use on lists.mailman3.org which uses nginx and gunicorn Mailman's logs /opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/var/logs/*.log { missingok sharedscripts su mailman mailman postrotate /opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/bin/mailman reopen &>/dev/null || true if [ -r /opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/var/gunicorn.pid ]; then PID=`cat /opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/var/gunicorn.pid` kill -s USR1 $PID fi endscript } mailman-web log /var/log/mailman-web/*.log { missingok notifempty delaycompress su mailman mailman } And here's mail.python.org with apache and mod_wsgi Mailman's logs /opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/var/logs/*.log { missingok sharedscripts su mailman mailman postrotate /opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/bin/mailman reopen &>/dev/null || true endscript } mailman-web log /var/log/mailman-web/*.log { missingok notifempty delaycompress su mailman mailman } -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Splitting hosts: mta&core vs postorius

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/20/20 7:24 PM, Ruth Ivimey-Cook wrote: > > ... the Body of reply, with the JSON text: > > { > "start": 0, > "total_size": 1, > "entries": [ > { > "alias_domain": null, > "description": null, > "mail_host": "ch-bc.org.uk", > "self_link": "http://0.0.0.0:8870/3.1/domains/ch-bc.org.uk", > "http_etag": "\"5d474f0be89222e6122b6dc375a18ff01190419d\"" > } > ], > "http_etag": "\"c6f15186189ff5cf5b67f2d06dcf4ea97ea447a9\"" > } All these self_link references are generated from self.api.path_t which is a reference to (in the case of 3.1) <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/core/api.py#L6… which gets the host portion from config.webservice.hostname, i.e. the value of hostname in the webservice section of mailman.cfg, and actually <sigh>, looking back at <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> that's exactly where you said you set it to 0.0.0.0. Change that to greyarea-post -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Email to list owner on list creation only sent when using mailman create --notify command

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/9/24 5:26 PM, Perry Kollmorgen wrote: > Hi, > > This is only a minor issue, however as a nicety for new list owners I am hoping there is work around or something I have missed. > > I have the following file: templates/domains/<fqdn_listname/en/domain:admin:notice:new-list.txt > > When I use the mailman create command with the --notify option the new owners receives an email with the correct template info from the above file. > > However when I use mailmanclient python bindings or Postorius to create an list, there is no email sent. This is a bug. Currently only `mailman create` sends this notice, but as you note, list creation via rest should do it too. I have created https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1156 for this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailing list welcome message won't update

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/9/25 13:58, via Mailman-users wrote: > > I have updated the welcome message for a mailing list by directly updating the file at: > file:///var/lib/mailman3/templates/lists/[redacted].lists.[redacted].org.au/en/list:user:notice:welcome > > I then restarted theses services: mailman3, mailman3-web and nginx. > > But when I test subsribe to the mailing list, the welcome message does not update. > > GNU Mailman 3.1.1 (Between The Wheels) > Postorius Version 1.1.2 These are extremely old - over 7 years. This may have something to do with the issue. There may be an issue in that the template table in the database is saying to look elsewhere. What do you get for a database query like ``` SELECT uri FROM template WHERE name = 'list:user:notice:welcome' AND context = '[redacted].lists.[redacted].org.au'; ``` where `[redacted].lists.[redacted].org.au` is the actual list-id. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installation problem: Ubuntu 18.10 mailman3-full. EMAIL_HOST_USER

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/4/19 6:30 PM, worik wrote: > Friends > > I am installing on a fresh ubuntu 18.10 using mailman3-full. > > Following http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html after > http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-core.html and I have got to > point where I am a bit stumped. > > I have to set EMAIL_HOST_USER and EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD > > I am unsure what I should use here. What sort of user? First of all, your primary resource for support of this package should be the packager, i.e. Debian. That said, presumably these are used to set smtp_user and smtp_pass in Mailman's config. These are described as: > # How to connect to the outgoing MTA. If smtp_user and smtp_pass is given, > # then Mailman will attempt to log into the MTA when making a new connection. > smtp_host: localhost > smtp_port: 25 > smtp_user: > smtp_pass: -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot setup announce-only mailing list

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/30/20 5:42 AM, Alberto Granzotto wrote: > > Of course, I want to keep this mailing list "read only" for members, and > I want only selected people to post to that mailing list. > > Any idea on how to achieve that? There is only one difference between the `Discussion` and `Announce` list styles, and that is for an `Announce` list, the `allow_list_posts` attribute is set to `False`. In turn, all that does is cause the List-Post: header to be set to NO rather than the list posting address. There is a discussion at <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030685> of how to set up an announce list for Mailman 2.1. Most of this translates straightforwardly to Mailman 3, although not all the relevant settings are exposed in Postorius. In short, you need to set this up manually using things like moderation settings and custom templates for the welcome message. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman not starting, status is active (exited)

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/19/20 10:26 AM, Ricardo Kleemann wrote: > Hi, > > After quite a long time with no issues, I’ve started having a problem where mailman won’t start and I don’t see any clear error message Is this Mailman 3 or Mailman 2.1? If Mailman 2.1, the appropriate list in mailmain-users(a)python.org <https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/>. The usual cause of Mailman not starting in either case is a stale master lock. In either case, the locks are in a directory named locks/ in Mailman's hierarchy. In the Mailman 3 case if that directory contains files master.lck and master.lck|hhhh|pppp|tttttt (hhhh is the host name, pppp is a PID and tttttt is a timestamp) and the PID pppp is not running on the host, just remove those files. For Mailman 2.1, its the same except the names are master-qrunner master-qrunner.hhhh.pppp -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Alias for a list name

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/6/23 09:49, Lars Bjørndal wrote: > > To run mm 3 through Postfix, I use local_recipient_maps and > transport_maps. > > What I want to achieve, is alias medlem(a)list.saf-org.no to > saf-medlem(a)list.saf-org.no > > I tried to put > > medlem(a)list.saf-org.no: saf-medlem(a)list.saf-org.no > > and get the following error when running newaliases: > > postalias: warning: /etc/aliases, line 231: name must be local > > Is it possible to do this aliasing in a simple way? If list.saf-org.no is a local domain, i.e. in mydestination, the alias would be medlem: saf-medlem(a)list.saf-org.no or more simply medlem: saf-medlem If list.saf-org.no is not a local domain it needs to be a Postfix virtual (alias or mailbox) domain and you need a virtual_alias_maps with an entry like medlem(a)list.saf-org.no saf-medlem(a)list.saf-org.no -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: Issue with mailman auto subscription

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/20/24 2:45 AM, Francisco Paco López wrote: > > I migrated my mailman 2 instance to mailman 3 some months ago. Some users have been reporting lately that auto subscriptions don't work anymore. In the affected list both the Subscription and un subscription policies are open, which means that normally a user that sends a "subscribe" mail automatically subs to the list. This works fine for users that have been subscribed in the past but not for new users. The latter get a mail stating that a confirmation is needed ("Your confirmation is needed to join the XXXX(a)my.lists.com mailing list"). I see nothing out of the ordinary in the mailman.log file and co. In Mailman 3 addresses need to be verified. Even if a list's subscription policy is open, if the request is from an unverified address, a confirmation request is sent to verify the address. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Mailing list welcome message won't update

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/21/25 20:26, via Mailman-users wrote: > > I also found that the actual file containing the welcome message and footer message does not have the .txt extension for my dev instance. The files will not be used unless they have the .txt extension. You need to rename them to add the .txt extension. > root@mailman-dev:/var/lib/mailman3/templates/lists/[redacted].mailman-dev.dev.aws.[redacted].org.au/en# ll > total 12 > drwxr--r-- 2 mailman operations 4096 Jan 22 14:14 ./ > drwxr--r-- 3 mailman operations 4096 Oct 1 13:50 ../ > -rwxr--r-- 1 mailman operations 0 Oct 1 13:50 list:member:regular:footer* > -rwxr--r-- 1 mailman operations 506 Jan 22 14:12 list:user:notice:welcome* > > What is that * at the end of the file name mean? It means the file is executable. It shouldn't be so you can change the mode from rwxr--r-- to rw-r--r-- -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: What to backup?

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/27/19 3:05 PM, Alain Kohli wrote: > Thank you, that's perfect! For anyone that might stumble upon this, I > had to make two minor adjustments to automate it. > snipped because formatting was off. > > # I couldn't run it with '--run' and if you pipe it into 'mailman > shell' # I needed this or the loop above wouldn't execute. pass It won't run with --run as I wrote it because `mailman shell` only predefines the various interface names and getUtility when entering interactive mode. To use --run, you need to import those. I have attached msgs_del.py which will run with --run. It incorporates the test for msg not None (thank you), makes a minor variable name change (file -> fn) and adds a print of the number of files removed. It has my path to var/messages hard coded, so that may need to be changed. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Out runner not sending emails, stuck on recvFrom.

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/20/21 11:03 AM, 01ste02(a)gmail.com wrote: > My mta is logging a connection, which times out every three minutes. The strace for the out runner shows the following: > ... > connect(21, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(465), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16) = 0 > recvfrom(21, > > And the mailman smtp-log shows: > > Oct 20 19:58:04 2021 (1262375) <163474270655.1243104.7078333516263200191@xxx> delivery to xxx@xxx failed with code 444, Connection unexpectedly closed > Oct 20 19:58:04 2021 (1262375) Using agent: <mailman.mta.bulk.BulkDelivery object at 0x7f219bf93310> > Oct 20 19:58:04 2021 (1262375) Connecting to 127.0.0.1:465 Is the local MTA listening on 127.0.0.1:465? If so, is some firewall blocking that connect? We are waiting for a response from the MTA to the connect and it never comes, Even if [mta] settings like smtp_user: smtp_pass: smtp_secure_mode: smtp_verify_cert: smtp_verify_hostname: are somehow not correct or appropriate, we don't seem to be getting that far. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Still unable to get mailman3 working on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/3/22 2:44 AM, Michael Heseltine wrote: > > But that did not change anything, I still get the following error message when running "/opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman-post-update" in the venv: ... >> File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/compressor/conf.py", line 115, in configure_url >> if not value.endswith('/'): >> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'endswith' That code is ``` def configure_url(self, value): # Uses Django's STATIC_URL by default if value is None: value = settings.STATIC_URL if not value.endswith('/'): raise ImproperlyConfigured("URL settings (e.g. COMPRESS_URL) " "must have a trailing slash") return value ``` which is basically saying you have no setting for STATIC_URL, but https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/blob/master/mailman-suite_project/… sets it, so I don't know what the issue is. What does ``` grep STATIC /opt/mailman/mm/settings* ``` show? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to see the admin password reset in docker with mailman3

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/6/23 13:48, bob B via Mailman-users wrote: > I am setting up a new environment of Mailman3 in docker. I understand I have to reset the password to set the password for admin. I go to forget the password, in the GUI and I put in the address I have listed in the docker-compose.yaml and I never get the email. I look at the mail log on the host and I do not see the smtp connections. I assume Django is not using the docker host but sending the mail directly?? > > Basically, where can I see the password email rest mail logs to make sure an email was sent out and where it is going? I can't answer that question, but you can set an admin user and password with the django admin createsuperuser command. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Help needed to create filters that were working in Mailman 2.

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/20/23 11:04 PM, mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu wrote: > How do I make a filter that if it matches, it accepts the message and doesn't check the remaining filters? > > I could do this using the anti-spam filters in mailman 2, as there was a Accept option. > > But there is no Accept option in Mailman 3 (that I can find). > > I tried using "Default antispam action", but that didn't stop the rest of the filters from being applied. The default action for "Default antispam action" is "hold" but you can change that to "accept" by setting ``` jump_chain: accept ``` in the [antispam] section of mailman.cfg, however current Postorius offers "Accept immediately (bypass other rules)" as a choice for the Header Filters action. Does yours not? What is your Postorius version? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Tracking from gravatar

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/14/19 2:31 PM, worik wrote: > Privacy badger reports one tracker (for which it disables cookies) on my > Mailman installation. It is: > > secure.gravatar.com > > What is this for and how do I get rid of it? If you go to <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/> and look around the archives you will see that all users have some sort of graphic image associated with them. In many cases such as yours, the image is just a rudimentary silhouette, but others have a picture or other graphic. Those are things the user has published at gravatar.com. You can disable them by setting GRAVATAR_SECURE_URL = '' in your local settings. See <https://github.com/twaddington/django-gravatar> Setting the URL to the null string is not completely satisfactory as there will still be a 'missing image' where the image used to be, but it should remove references to secure.gravatar.com. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Rendering HTML for moderation

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/28/19 1:37 AM, Gila Halpern wrote: > Hi, new member here doing some research for my boss. Does Mailman 3 allow > HTML rendering in the moderation queue, or only plain text? I'm asking > because our list mod doesn't have time to check each image in a submission > individually, so we currently don't allow images, but the boss wants to > allow them. Postorius displays only plain text of a held message with HTML and images shown as attachments, and clicking an HTML attachment link will download the HTML and what happens depends on the browser, but if there are image parts referenced in the HTML, they will be separate links to download and won't render along with the HTML. However, is the list is set to notify the moderators of held messages, the notice will imclude the entire message which should render properly in the moderator's MUA. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman web spamming uwsgi error log.

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/29/21 8:44 AM, Sarah H wrote: > from the Django settings the log is here: > > Make sure that this directory is created or Django will fail on start. > LOGGING['handlers']['file']['filename'] = '/opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log' > > but the only new entry in the log is from when I attempted to run the runjobs as the wrong user and the log entries for unable to connect to DB from when the uwsgi log filled the drive and the db process died, which is what originally alerted me to the issue. The catching of the "MailingList.DoesNotExist" exception and logging "MailingList with name xxx does not exist" was recently added and will be released in HyperKitty 1.3.5. Apply the patch to hyperkitty/tasks.py from https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/merge_requests/341/diffs which should replace the uwsgi-error.log entries with the one line entries in mailmanweb.log. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: config incoming email in my domain cpanel

by Mark Sapiro

On 08/03/2017 10:42 AM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > I've found the MX records on my cpanel but how do I redirect the emails > going to my list to my private server? You have to configure the MTA that is the MX for the domain to relay the mail to the Mailman server. > I still don't get it. What if I just suscribe the members and then send the > email to the suscribers the thing is that the email has to be received by > mailman in order to resend it to the list suscribers right? If all you want to do is send mail that you generate, you can use mailman inject to deliver the mail to Mailman on the local machine. The drawback of not being able to receive mail from the outside is Mailman won't receive bounce DSNs from remote servers. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Walk-thru for Ubuntu Bionic Mailman 3 Full setup

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/11/19 6:40 PM, brian(a)emwd.com wrote: > > Also Kelly are you sure this is correct: > > "There are two configuration files that have a key in them that must match for Hyperhitty to authorize and be able to store archives (the paths should be as follows): > /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg (set the api_key without any quotes) > /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py (set the ‘SECRET_KEY’ - include single quotes around the key)" > > It was the MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY that I needed to make sure it was being matched by the API key in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg. I believe the SECRET_KEY setting has nothing to do with the auth errors that Hyperkitty was displaying. Yes. SECRET_KEY is used internally within Django. See <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/2.1/ref/settings/#secret-key>. It is the MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY setting that must match the api_key setting in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg (modulo quoting). -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to configure a mailing list?

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/10/20 6:44 AM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: > Greetings, > > I do have mailman 3 installed via virtualenv and it is up an running. Now I'd > like to create a mailing list, but I can't find any instructions how I should > do this. > > Is there a resource online I missed? If not, can anyone on this list tell me > how to do it preferrably using a command line tool? There is a bin/mailman command in your venv. It needs to be run with a -C option pointing to your mailman.cfg. I use a wrapper like #!/bin/bash exec /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/mailman \ -C "/opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg" \ $@ Give the mailman command with no args for a list of sub-commands and ultimately mailman create --help for instructions on creating a list. See <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/docs/commands…> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: FILTER_VHOST = True doesn't work fine with alias_domain

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/18/22 09:53, Élodie BOSSIER via Mailman-users wrote: > > Now, I need to find how to set it automatic when I will add a new list. > Perhaps I could do it with an an SQL command if there are no bash > command ? I will check with "mailman create" and the --domain argument. Part of adding a new list is specifying the domain. If it's one of the existing domains, i.e., ml.franceserv.fr, or ml.viticreation.fr, that's all that needs to be done. e.g. `mailman create newlist(a)ml.franceserv.fr`. If it's a new domain, you need to add the domain to the django_site table perhaps directly or via the django admin UI and then after `mailman create newlist(a)new.domain` you may need to edit the domain via Postorius' domains view to specify the correct Web Host. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Question about whitlisting a domain for specific mailing list

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/30/23 08:55, Zaheer Abbas wrote: > Hi All, > > I need to whitelist a domain for a specific mailing list on your platform. > Only *(a)example.com email addresses should be allowed to post messages to > this list. > > Could you please provide me with documentation or instructions on how to > achieve this? I have already searched the knowledge base and user manuals > without success. In Postorius Header filters add a filter with Header = from, pattern = ^.*(a)(?!example\.com(\W|$)) and Action as desired. That pattern will match anything in a From: header which contains an @ followed by anything other than example.com and a non-alphanumeric or the end of string. I.e., things that won't match are for example xxx(a)example.com xxx(a)example.com> xxx(a)example.com yyy Things that will match are for example xxx(a)other.domain xxx(a)example.comp -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Internal Server Error: /archives/

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/29/24 7:51 AM, Christian via Mailman-users wrote: > What is this error and how can I fix it please? Running Debian 4.19.316-1 ... > Request Method: GET > Request URL: https://lists.domedoman.ie/archives/?sort=active%22%27! ... > Traceback (most recent call last): > None ... > GET: > sort = 'active"\'!' Some remote user has requested `https://lists.domedoman.ie/archives/?sort=active"'!` The `"'!` appended to the sort=active query fragment caused the error. This sort of thing happens when bots and script kiddies crawl your web site. You can find the request in your web server logs for more information about where it came from, but the bottom line is this will happen from time to time and it's not an indication that anything is broken. It would be possible to harden HyperKitty to defend against malformed URLs like this, but without a traceback it is not clear where to do it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

10 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: MTA setup

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/22/24 20:10, Arte Chambers via Mailman-users wrote: > I'm not sure how to check mailmans shunt queue. `ls var/queue/shunt` > I'm not seeing any errors in mailman logs > > There are several .pck files in Mailman's > var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ These are message that failed to archive. There should be messages in mailman.log about these failures indicating what the issue is. > I can send email from the server using mail utilities as long as the "from > email address" contains the server's domain name. I also notice that in > this MM3-Users list the "from" email shows senders(a)emailaddress.com VIA > mailman3.org. I'm wondering if I've missed something that would allow my > server to behave this way. In the list's Settings -> DMARC Mitigations set DMARC mitigation action to Replace From: with list address and set DMARC Mitigate unconditionally to Yes. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: How to run this script (attached) in the mailman shell (or withlist)?

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/5/25 13:56, Wikinaut wrote: > https://dpaste.com/39ZMH3M7S (Text below) > > The code works perfectly when pasted into the live shell of mailman. > But not when I start "(venv) mailman withlist -r set_member_pref". > > ... > module = import_module(module_path) > File "/usr/lib/python3.9/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module > return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) > File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1030, in _gcd_import > File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1007, in _find_and_load > File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 984, in _find_and_load_unlocked > ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'set_members_prefs' > > What is wrong? > Please can anyone help? Please see my reply at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > Please can you add information in the documentation how exactly to run a script like that? See `mailman shell --details` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Syncing Real Name between user account and membership

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/31/20 2:52 AM, Andreas Barth wrote: > > I think it would be useful (for others who try it) to have just these > snippets somewhere (also as examples what could be achived by mailman > shell). I'm happy to add them myself if possible, but the > wiki seems to be mailman 2 centric? > > What would be the appropriate place then? The wiki <https://wiki.list.org/> is an appropriate place. It only seems to be Mailman 2 centric because it's been around in one form or another for over 20 years and during much of that time, there was no Mailman 3 at all. There is also a new FAQ section at <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/faq.html>, the source for which is at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite-doc/-/blob/master/source/faq.rst>. Merge requests to add to that are also welcome. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Setting up on ubuntu server 22.04

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/3/23 06:00, Kyriakos Terzopoulos wrote: > > However, I cannot find the mailman/setup.py anywhere in order to patch it, > since the installation was done through pip from here: > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst… > > Maybe I can try upgrading python from 3.10 to 3.11 and re-install Upgrading Python won't help. There is currently an incompatibility issue when following https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html because that doc is based on the head of the GitLab branch, but `pip install mailman3` installs the 3.3.8 released version of core and the latest 6.1.0 version of importlib_resources and these are incompatible. There are two ways to fix this. The easy way is to downgrade importlib_resources in your venv with ``` pip install importlib_resources\<6.0 ``` The slightly more complex way is to upgrade mailman core to 3.3.9b1 from GitLab with ``` pip install -U git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman.git ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: Thread IDs on messages incrementing per reply?

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/18/23 15:06, Thomas Ward via Mailman-users wrote: > Is there a way to oerhaps custom-plugin my way through to set this up as > an integration into Core? And specify the custom handler process or > such to allow that integration? I see that there are ways to code > plugins into existence so it may be a custom-processor plugin or such > for this purpose. The issue is Mailman core would have to keep track of the message-ids and thread number of all prior posts to know whether the current post is a reply to some other post or not. You would need a new database table or some other mechanism to keep track of this and then you may need to keep everything forever because you can't know that there won't be a future post in reply to some very old post. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: cron error - /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs daily

by Mark Sapiro

On August 20, 2025 4:37:18 AM EDT, "Stephen J. Turnbull" <steve(a)turnbull.jp> wrote: >Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users writes: > > > > > The superuser account uses my address - odhiambo at gmail dot > > > > com. I am also the listowner for most lists. > > > > I tried unsuccessfully to create an account on Postorious using the same > > > > email address. > >I don't see how you can do this. It's the same user database, and >email addresses are accepted as identifying a unique User object in >the database for authentication and authorization purposes in Django. That is correct. You can't have two accounts in Postorius/Django with the same email address. But why would you want to? There should be no problem with a single Django user being subscribed to a list with more than one role. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.

1 month, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty web site

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/28/20 9:40 AM, Gelpi Andrea wrote: > > If in django administration I rename that site it works. > > But having more than one domain this is not a solution. > > what i need is to separate different domains > > https:/website1/mailman3/hyperkitty shows some lists > https:/website2/mailman3/hyperkitty shows other lists There are issues with FILTER_VHOST. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/394> for the Postorius issue. This will be fixed for Postorius in the next release. For HyperKitty, the issue is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/254>. This is not yet fixed. Currently, if FILTER_VHOST is True, HyperKitty only shows lists in the index for which the list's domain matches the domain in the accessing url with a leading 'www.' stripped. E.g. list(a)example.com will only show on the index if the accessing URL's host is example.com or www.example.com, but not if it is say lists.example.com. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: installing mailman3 core

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/29/20 7:49 AM, Ralf Wiegand wrote: > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/install.html > > I was following this "official" page. There is no word on "pip install > mailman" as an alternate choise? > > There is also a reference in regards to "Virtualenv Installation > <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst…>, > recommended for Production" ... why is this recommended? Does the "pip > install mailmail" install a production environment I can trust? I didn't write that page, but I think it is saying that for production, installing in a virtualenv is preferred over installing globally, and not that it is necessarily preferred over installing a Docker container or a distro package. However, if you actually read the Virtualenv Installation document, you will see under Installing Mailman Core <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#installing-mail…> it says to install Mailman core via `pip install mailman` in the virtualenv. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Service Unavailable

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/1/21 12:58 PM, dancab(a)caltech.edu wrote: > Ok, thanks. I'll need to reproduce what happened somehow. > > Any suggestions on how to clear this "held message" notification from the database? > > If necessary I can just re-initialize everything but it would be helpful to know if there's just a row I could drop. I would d delete rows from 3 tables. I would first SELECT * from message WHERE path = 'XC/DU/XCDUNGGCTVSN7RGCW5F3WXM5T2WEHCCJ'; then SELECT * from pendedkeyvalue WHERE type = 'id AND value = <the id of the message table>; Then SELECT * from pendedkeyvalue WHERE pended_id = <the pended_id from above>; This should return 2 rows, the type = id from above and a type = 'held message' Then I would delete the row from the pended table with id = that pended_id and the two rows from the pendedkeyvalue table and the row from the message table. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: List Migration from MM2.1 -> MM3

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/14/22 11:04, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > So I thought I have everything running. Fresh install of MM3 on > Ubuntu-22.04. > > I have created a list in postorius - it has the same name as my old list in > MM2. > > [image: MM3.png] Your image didn't make it through content filtering. What is the fully qualified name of the list > mailman@lists:~$ /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/mailman import21 skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke /var/list/lists/skunkworks/config.pck > Usage: mailman import21 [OPTIONS] LISTSPEC PICKLE_FILE > Try 'mailman import21 -h' for help. > > Error: No such list: skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke Apparently the list you created is not named skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke > What am I missing? The Mailman 3 list skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke including that exact domain must exist in order to import to it. Try /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/mailman create skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty shows "<" as <

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/4/23 09:53, Andreas Schamanek wrote: > > Hi fellow Hyperkitties, > > I migrated from Mailman 2 to 3 and imported my 1st list via `manage.py > hyperkitty_import` to Hyperkitty 1.3.4 (the Debian package), but that > might not even be relevant to my problem: > > All "<" and ">" in old and new messages are shown as "<" and ">" > in message views _however_ they are shown correctly in overview > abstracts e.g. at //server/mm3/hyperkitty/list/testlist@server/latest I don't think I've ever seen this. Certainly it is not the case on this list with either current messages such as those in this thread <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…> or in old threads on the mailman-users(a)python.org list imported with hyperkitty_import such as https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/thread/A2DCH… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: mm3 installation question

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/5/24 1:52 PM, advorkin(a)cs.princeton.edu wrote: > > I went with the apache/uswgi configuration. The site is up and running, but if I click Postorius, it gets redirected to https://mysite.com/postorius/lists and I get not found error message. > > The same goes for Lists and Archives. Compare your urls.py to <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-web/-/blob/master/mailman_web/urls.py?re…>. Some of the `path` settings are probably not in the same order as in that file. The ``` path('mailman3/', include('postorius.urls')), path('archives/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), ``` settings should come after the ``` path('postorius/', include('postorius.urls')), path('hyperkitty/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), ``` settings (unfortunately, mailman-web 0.0.8 has these in the wrong order). Or you can just delete the 'postorius/' and 'hyperkitty/' ones or you can add ``` ProxyPass "/postorius" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/postorius" ProxyPass "/hyperkitty" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/hyperkitty" ``` to your Apache config. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Join a Mailman 3 list?

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/2/25 10:55, Cathryn McGuire wrote: > Hi, > > We’re currently hosted by EMWD who upgraded the Mailman 2 cPanel/Python and have been unable to resolve the issues we’re experiencing. > > We would like to join a Mailman 3 list to see how it all looks and works. > > Do you have any recommendation? Welcome to the mailman-users(a)mailman3.org list. As far as your EMWD migration from cPanel Mailman 2.1 to Mailman 3 is conerned, I think you'll find little if any change as far as email posting to the list and email from the list is concerned, but EMWD has their own proprietary web UI for list management and archiving, so the web UI at EMWD is quite different from that for this list. I'm not sure if we can help with the issues you're having, but if you tell us what they are, we can try. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: out queue backlog and delivery rate

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/25/22 16:17, dancab(a)caltech.edu wrote: > > Mail delivery is continuing at a snails pace and it is now 4 hours behind. > > I noticed that the system isn't overloaded either via CPU or Memory. It's just slowly "working on it". > > Are there rate limits that can be tuned for Mailman queues such as the "out" queue? Could this be IO related somehow? I'd expect there to be a CPU spike in that case. There are things that can be done. One big performance killer is MTA recipient checks during SMTP from Mailman. Look too at the various hits at <https://wiki.list.org/?action=fullsearch&value=performance&titlesearch=Titl…>. These are written for older Mailman, but the MTA advice is relevant. One thing you can do is enable an alternate SMTPD port in the MTA with minimal checking and configure Mailman to use that port. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Remove PDF attachents

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/4/20 7:42 AM, Eduardo Costa via Mailman-users wrote: > Hello, > > How do I configure the list to remove attachments of type pdf and others. You need to set the list's filter_types and or pass_types. For example, to filter out everything except HTML and plain text, collapse alternative parts and convert remaining HTML to plain text, you would set filter_content = True collapse_alternatives = True convert_html_to_plaintext = True pass_types = ['multipart', 'text/plain', 'text/html'] The first 3 of these can be set in Postorius -> Settings -> Alter Messages, but the last has to be set in mailman shell as in $ /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman shell -l list(a)example.com Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell m. The variable 'm' is the list(a)example.com mailing list >>> list(m.pass_types) [] >>> m.pass_types = ['multipart', 'text/plain', 'text/html'] >>> list(m.pass_types) ['multipart', 'text/plain', 'text/html'] >>> commit() -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 throws 500 error (unicode encode) when loading held messages in Postorius

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/6/20 3:39 PM, Simon Handfield via Mailman-users wrote: > Thanks for your advice, Stephen. > > As I've removed the file from the shunt queue I don't believe that file is causing the 500 error any more. > > I've confirmed the error is not cached in the browser. > > If the issue does not reside in the shunt queue (no other files indicate parse errors when checking via command line) are there any other places I should look for data that is addressed by that page? As Steve said, messages in the shunt queue have nothing to do with the held messages view in postorius. Held messages are in Mailman's var/messages/ directory and referenced by entries in the message table in the database which in turn are referenced by entries in the pendedkeyvalue table. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Problem with list creation

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/16/20 8:25 AM, Pawel Grzywaczewski wrote: > > We increased timeout in mailman.cfg > ``` > [gunicorn] > workers: 4 > timeout: 900 > ``` This doesn't do it. In order to pass configuration settings to the REST gunicorn servers, you need to put in mailman.cfg ``` [webservice] configuration: /path/to/gunicorn.cfg ``` and then put settings like these ``` [gunicorn] workers: 4 timeout: 900 ``` in /path/to/gunicorn.cfg. Some settings, but only hostname, port and workers can be put in mailman.cfg, but in the [webservice] section, not in a [gunicorn] section. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/rest/gunicorn.…> for more detail. > And we increased timeout in nginx > > ``` > http { > > # MODIF UNICORN > proxy_connect_timeout 300s; > proxy_read_timeout 300s; > # MODIF UNICORN > > ``` nginx is not involved. These are not proxied requests through nginx. They are requests to Mailman's REST API which use a separate gunicorn server. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: where is manage.py for migration?

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/26/20 6:50 AM, Dan Langille wrote: > Hello, > > I am following https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html and I'm trying to "Migrate the list archives from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3 by running the following command": > > [mailman@mailman ~]$ python manage.py hyperkitty_import -l biking(a)lists.example.org /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/biking.mbox > python: can't open file 'manage.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory > > Is the documentation correct? I cannot locate manage.py in the code: That refers to the Django manage.py script. It's name and location depends on how you installed Postorius and HyperKitty. Have you installed those and set up a Django project? There are sample manage.py files in both postorius/example_project/ and hyperkitty/example_project/ as well as mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/, however, depending on how things are installed, the Django admin interface could be named manage.py, django-admin or something else. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Disabled by bounce

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/2/23 18:19, Allan Hansen wrote: > Mark, > > I can see your argument here, but if a 'Disabled by bounce' subscription is enabled, it would require just looking at that particular subscription and set the bounce count to 0, so that the next bounce (before staleness) does not disable it again. We are talking about two different issues here. One issue is not resetting the bounce score to zero when (or before) a disabled by bounce user's delivery is enabled. This is https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1061 and I'm working on it. The other issue is not resetting the user's bounce score when it goes stale as opposed to when another bounce is received and the score is stale. Other than the fact that one might be misled by seeing a non-zero bounce score which is stale, there are no other issues from waiting for a bounce to reset a stale score. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: [migration] to a another server - one year database apparently lacks fields for newer mailman3/django suite

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/20/23 14:04, Wikinaut wrote: > I also solved this issue. > How? > > By adding columns to two tables in the database mailman3web: > > alter table hyperkitty_mailinglist add column archive_rendering_mode varchar(255) default null; > alter table socialaccount_socialapp add column `provider_id` varchar(200) NOT NULL; > alter table socialaccount_socialapp add column `settings` longtext CHARACTER SET utf8mb4 COLLATE utf8mb4_bin NOT NULL CHECK (json_valid(`settings`)); The proper fix is just to run `mailman-web migrate`. See https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#run-database-mi… You should also run that and `mailman-web collectstatic` `mailman-web compress` and `mailman-web compilemessages` any time you do any kind of update. See https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#collect-static-… et. seq. Running `mailman-web migrate` at this point may fail because of the changes you made manually. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: 120 gmail users removed from lists !

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/24/23 11:51 AM, info(a)joergschulz.de wrote: > Am 24. Oktober 2023 um 18:07 schrieb "Yvan ♞" <elemac(a)free.fr>: > >> >> I add an SPF entry on my web hosting, domain name: "v=spf1 mx ptr >> include:_spf.google.com -all" and it seems to fix the problem. >> > Smart. As I understand above statement, it allows the google servers to send out emails for your domain. Not sure you want that. But you're right, mailman will eventually pick up the -all for the google addresses and apply the DMARC mitigation to google originating messages. Is this assumption correct? Wrong. Mailman in conditionally applying DMARC mitigations considers only the DMARC policy if any of the From: domain. Whether or not an outgoing message might be rejected for DMARC policy or any other reasons has no automatic effect on the application of DMARC mitigations to subsequent messages. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: After server upgrade debian 11→12 and reinstalling everything in (venv), I got this error when accessing → mailman3/lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/18/25 12:06 PM, Wikinaut wrote: > Thank you. > As I need to go through ~20 mailing lists, is there any way to programmatically also modify the templates? > > I could not find a script for doing this but it would nice to have, as I managed, as known, to write and to run scripts, which is very helpful (because we re-generate the _whole_ mailsystem daily if there are changes in our membership database). If you want to use default templates for everything, just remove everything under /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/. If you want a custom footer for all lists, remove list:member:generic:footer.txt from all the /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/LIST_ID/LC/ directories and create the footer at /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/site/LC/list:member:generic:footer.txt -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 month, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: List description as sender

by Henrik Rasmussen

Yes, but even the Settings -> Alter Messages -> Anonymous list is set to No, the 'anonymous_list': is still True. That is my problem, I think. -- Henrik Rasmussen her(a)adm.ku.dk University of Copenhagen, Danmark -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sendt: 24. september 2018 15:54 Til: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Emne: [MM3-users] Re: List description as sender On 9/24/18 4:00 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: > Mark Sapiro wrote: >> On 09/17/2018 01:04 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: >> I think your choices are: >> >> 1) Don't configure the list as anonymous. > > I've just tested it on a list which was imported from Mailman 2, but changing the list to announced doens't seem to affect the From: ... > 'anonymous_list': True, Set anonymous_list False. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

7 years

[MM3-users] Re: Any known limit of number of lists that one can be owner/member of?

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/14/19 6:34 PM, Alan So wrote: > Thanks for your explanation. Just verified with a normal user and notice that no lists will be shown when all is selected since all lists are not advertised. I thought that for a user with that issue (as owner of more than 50 lists) at least her subscription or lists with her as owner will be shown. I understand it can be confusing because "all" is one of the "roles" in the "Filter by Role" dropdown, but the unfiltered "all-lists" view is generated differently from the other filtered views and only shows unadvertised lists to a site admin (superuser). That's also why the all-lists view is paginated (and can show more than 50 lists) and the other roles are not. We will be fixing that part. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman shell tutorial

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/11/19 6:00 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > > I have this going, and it is great. But I recall seeing something called > mmclient or similar which has simple commands like show user, show lists, > and so on. Is that still available? Are you thinking of the mailman command itself? Things like `mailman lists` and `mailman users`. Try running the `mailman` command itself with no arguments to see a list of sub-commands and then `mailman sub-command --help` to get the details of a particular subcommand. > Now knowing how mailman shell works, anybody could write their own commands, > but I don't want to reinvent wheels. I don't know what it is you are trying to accomplish, but yes, you can create scripts which you run via `mailman shell -run ...`, but is there something specific you are trying to do that is not currently available via the `mailman` command or the Postorius wb UI? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Help with troubleshooting mailman3 DNS lookups

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/23/21 3:11 PM, Simon Handfield via Mailman-users wrote: > However when messages are sent to mailman3 lists we're still seeing hits on the old DNS servers. > > I have tried to find a config that references the old servers but have not been able to find one. Because Mailman doesn't directly access DNS. As far as I know, there are only two pieces in Mailman core that indirectly access DNS. DMARC mitigations look up sending domain DMARC policy via the dnspython package <https://pypi.org/project/dnspython/> and if you have enabled ARC signing in Mailman via [ARC] enabled: yes it uses authheaders <https://pypi.org/project/authheaders/> I don't know what these packages might be looking at to see the old servers, but as far as I know, nothing else is doing DNS lookups. The modules that invoke these are mailman/rules/dmarc.py and mailman/handlers/arc_sign.py. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Filter who can send on mailman3 list?

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/7/21 1:32 AM, Marcus Granath wrote: > > Sorry, but actually I can not find any "Users dropdown" to select "Non-Members" at any Postorius in my web interface. :-( It's one of the various tabs across the top of the page. What Postorius version is this? Seversal versions back, I think it was called `members` rather than `users`. In current Postorius, the tabs are Info Subscription requests Held messages Users Templates Settings Mass operations Ban List Header filters Delete As I said, `Users` used to be `Members` and `Templates` was added at some point, but that's the general idea. > Maybe, could it be that I am actually not the admin of the mailman3 server, I'm "just" the admin of my mailman-list - so just admin for my mailman-list and not for the mailman server? As Steve said, the list admin should see all those. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: High memory usage

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/15/22 08:11, Stephen Daniel wrote: > TL;DR: quite likely your system has plenty of memory and is operating > normally. ... > On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 5:28 AM Prasanth Nair <prasanth.nair(a)linaro.org> > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> We are having an issue with high memory usage on our Mailman3 server. >> Initially, our server had 16GB RAM and the memory usage went up from 5% to >> 92% within a week. So, we increased the memory capacity to 32GB RAM and we >> can see that the memory usage is going up in the same pattern. >> >> Any idea why it is happening? or any suggestions? Just for reference, mail.python.org supports 231 MM 2 lists and 182 MM 3 lists with 16 GB of ram and no swap. The server that supports this list and also the www.list.org web site has 4 GB of ram and no swap. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Migrated from MM2 to MM3, all is well except *one* list

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/27/22 1:20 PM, Scott Courtney wrote: > Hello, all > > I have migrated a multi-list server from MM2 to MM3, on Debian 11, and > migrated about half a dozen lists with fairly large archives. > Absolutely everything has been working for a couple of months, but I > am still unable to get one specific list to send mail to its > subscribers. Of course, the first place I started was the logs, but > that's the problem -- even with logging turned up, it appears to be > failing silently as it connects to the MTA. See the thread at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… You probably ran `mailman import21` for that list as root or some other non Mailman user (`list` with Debian packages) causing that list's templates to be unreadable by Mailman. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: problem configuring mailman3 on debian bullseye

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/15/23 09:55, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 7:10 PM Servizio Informatico U.I.C.I. Sezione > territoriale di Brescia <servizioinformatico(a)uicibrescia.it> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I created a template but after some tests I deleted it. >> >> Now I created only a standard list without modifying any templates. >> >> So they are the standard templates coming with the distribution. I did not >> change also the language >> > Maybe you can start by deleting any templates in postorius_emailtemplate > table in the DB? There shouldn't be any, but if the issue is with accessing postorius templates, that might make it worse. If you want only the system default templates, you could do this database query to remove any non-defaults: DELETE FROM templates; That will ensure that you aren't accessing Postorius for any templates. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Can't subscribe on new site/domain

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/9/25 2:39 PM, Flo via Mailman-users wrote: > > In this case I see that I have permanently troubles with this software > (OS-packages) so your suggestion is worth to consider. > > Is there a possibility to export all members including real names. It > doesn't work with Postorius, yet, is there another possibility? If I > have my user data exported, I could delete everything and start from > scratch. Maybe this is the most reasonable ... You can install mailman following https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html and keep your existing database(s) which will include all lists and memberships. The current released versions of Postorius include only emails in the csv export. This is fixed for the next release by https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/993 You can currently get a list of members with display names with the `mailman members` command. See `mailman members --help`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 days, 14 hours

[MM3-users] Re: missing graphics in Postorius

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/7/21 4:01 PM, David Newman wrote: > On 12/7/21 11:17 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> Add '127.0.0.1' to ALLOWED_HOSTS anyway. > > Done, thanks. > > Given that DNS works fine on this host, with localhost and 127.0.0.1 > resolving backward and forward, this seems like a bug. Shouldn't the > resolver be able to recognize localhost without hard-coding an address? It's probably a bug, but if so, it's a Django bug and not anything Mailman can do anything about. ... >> Assuming you have >> ``` >> STATIC_ROOT = '/opt/mailman/web/static' >> ``` >> in your /etc/mailman3/settings.py file, you may need to create that >> directory if it doesn't exist. You shouldn't need to manually create >> the /opt/mailman/web/static/postorius directory if the >> /opt/mailman/web/static directory exists and is writable/searchable by >> the Mailman user. > > Yes, that was it. Thanks. > > Previously you'd pointed out what you considered an error in the venv > docs, with the workaround to manually create the /opt/mailman/web > directory [1]. I think the same issue applies here, and also that > /opt/mailman/web and subdirectories need to be owned by the mailman user. I don't recall what I said about that but near the end of the Initial Configuration section at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#initial-configu… it says ``` Make sure that the logging path is created. You can run mkdir -p /opt/mailman/web/logs to create the path. ``` I added ``` Also make sure the ``STATIC_ROOT`` directory is created. ``` after that. As far as things being owned by the mailman user, early in the doc at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-setup there is a note that says ``` Make sure that you are running commands as mailman user from here forth. Setup Mailman user. ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Auth question

by Mark Sapiro

On 03/31/2017 01:06 AM, David Krantz wrote: > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Simon Hanna <simon.hanna(a)serve-me.info> wrote: >> On 03/31/2017 08:10 AM, David Krantz wrote: >>> I think that would correspond to this line in urls.py >>> >>> url(r'^$', RedirectView.as_view(url=reverse_lazy('hyperkitty.views.index.index'))), >> Yes, that's the culprit. Replace it with the following: >> >> url(r'^$', RedirectView.as_view(url=reverse_lazy('hk_root'))), >> You can also update whatever guide you were using... > > Great, will try that! I don't know whether I can update the guide. > It's the one referenced earlier in this thread named something like > setup experience of mailman 3 in production. Yes, that comes from "https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience", specifically the attachment urls.py. The interesting thing is that works for me both at <https://lists.mailman3.org/> and <https://mail.python.org/mm3/>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: WEB UI fail to reply and create new thread

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/18/20 10:26 AM, Milan P. Stanić wrote: > > Sending mail by mail clients works and mails are sent to subscribers > properly. > Most other 'things' works but we have problem with reply to posts and > creating new threads using web ui. When replying to post with web ui it > says that the everything is ok and post is sent but post doesn't arrive > to mailing list. Same happens with creating new thread. > > Our debug says "KeyError: 'display_fixed'" but we are not sure what > should be changed/fixed/set for this problem. > Attached is excerpt from debug log. I don't think that exception is the problem. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/lib/posting.…> for whit I think might be the issue. I.e., Hyperkitty won't send the mail if DEBUG = True -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Bounce Problems

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/23/21 2:25 AM, M4tze wrote: > If I understand the settings correctly, bounce_info_stale_after = 7d > means that any bounce received > 7d ago are not counted (which would be > intuitive). But it doesn't work that way. It means that the user's bounce info is ignored/discarded if the user hasn't received a bounce within the last bounce_info_stale_after days. I.e it is bounce_info_stale_after and not bounces_stale_after. > It seems, that there must be a 7d gap between the last > bounce received and a new bounce to get the score reset to 1. Is my > interpretation right? Is this intentional? Can this be changed? Yes, this behavior is intentional and no, it won't be changed. Consider a list that gets fewer than five posts per week. While default settings probably aren't appropriate for this list, with default settings, if we discarded bounces older than 7 days, an address that bounced every post would never be disabled. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: can't get mail into mailman3 in docker

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/6/21 6:26 AM, bob B wrote: > > But when I send a message, the docker host machine in /var/log/email/ shows "connection refused" & "lost connection" to mailman-core port 8024 > > > ************************************ > 2021-08-06T09:08:41.885213-04:00 dockerhost postfix/cleanup[109782]: D630B3083ED0: message-id=<4805A7DC-E100-4851-B1BB-E6C1806568A1(a)sender.com> > 2021-08-06T09:08:41.896943-04:00 dockerhost postfix/qmgr[105559]: D630B3083ED0: from=<USER(a)sender.com>, size=8308, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > 2021-08-06T09:08:41.949022-04:00 dockerhost postfix/lmtp[109783]: connect to localhost[::1]:8024: Connection refused > 2021-08-06T09:08:41.974225-04:00 dockerhost postfix/lmtp[109783]: D630B3083ED0: to=<test(a)mailman-docker.###.####>, relay=localhost[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.11, delays=0.05/0.02/0.04/0, dsn=4.4.2, status=deferred (lost connection with localhost[127.0.0.1] while receiving the initial server greeting) The Connection refused is from trying to connect to localhost at IPv6 ::1. Then Postfix tries 127.0.0.1, gets connected and then Mailman's LMTP runner closes the connection. There may be more info from aiosmtpd in Mailman's smtp.log. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to edit default 'Reject (with notification)' message

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/26/23 7:57 AM, Zaheer Abbas wrote: > > I have created a template with the option, "Notice sent to a poster when > their message has been rejected by the list’s moderator." but it only works > if message acceptance is set to 'Hold for Moderation' and then the > moderator rejects the post manually. > > Is there any source file, which I can modify to replace the default > rejection text mentioned above? The template you want is described in Postorius as [list.user.notice.rejected] Notice sent to a poster when their message has been rejected automatically You can set it in Postorius per list or per domain or you can set it sitewide by putting it in Mailman's var/templates/site/en/list.user.notice.rejected.txt and if you do that, be sure the Mailman user has access to read it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Button unsubscribe

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/7/18 7:22 AM, erlonmz(a)hotmail.com wrote: > how to put a button unsubscribe in the message together with the part > > " LIST mailing list -- LIST@domain > To unsubscribe send an email to LIST-leave@domain' > > I want to put this button in the emails to the users unsubscribe. it would already send the confirmation tolkien. > > my question is, has some place where generated tolkien is saved in mailman files? No. The confirmation token is not generated until the unsubscribe request is received so there's no way to know it in advance. Further, a button requires HTML and the list's footer is plain text. Finally, one-click unsubscribe without confirmation is dangerous. People forward list messages to others and even reply to the list without removing the one-click unsubscribe link and then wonder why they get removed from the list. At least with confirmation, they only wonder why they got a confirmation request. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Template for Password Reset Email

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/14/24 13:57, Mark wrote: > > I have a list and user account set with French as the preferred language. > > Most message emails (such as the Welcome email) all arrive in French, > but not the Password Reset email (shown below) - it arrives in English. > > I'm guessing that there may not be an .mo file for it. This message comes from django-allauth. there is a French message catalog for it. These are in site-packages/allauth/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES and should be good. You can always run `django-admin compilemessages` to update all the .mo files for all the projects. However, the issue is probably that Django doesn't get the language context from the list's preferred language. In fact, the password reset is not in a list context at all. See https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/5.1/topics/i18n/translation/#how-django-d… for how it determines the language to serve. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman shutting down Hyperkitty: Request too large

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/31/25 11:01, Arte Chambers via Mailman-users wrote: > Thanks, this was helpful. It was a message I sent to the list that was just > an image attachment with no body text. I noticed this other thread > about messages > with attachments, without text discarded silently > <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…>. > I am attaching the pickle file hoping that it helps anyone researching this > issue. I think the underlying issue is the same as in that thread. While your message has mime structure multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain <- empty text/html image/jpeg If you have content filtering Collapse alternatives = yes, it will become multipart/mixed text/plain <- empty image/jpeg after collapsing alternatives and that will trigger the error. See https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… for a patch (not yet tested) that I think will fix this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Migration from old server to new server failed

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/16/24 07:12, Helio Loureiro wrote: > - start mailman3 and mailman-3web > - run mailman3-web migrate You should run mailman3-web migrate when mailman-3web is not running. > django.db.utils.OperationalError: (1050, "Table > 'hyperkitty_mailinglist_moderators' already exists") > > I tried to drop the table, but then it complained about another one. I > dropped all the complained tables and as result hypperkitty never > started. So I went back to see why the first error happened. The errors occurred because you had recently added tables in your database so they couldn't be added by the migrations. Dropping the tables was the correct thing to do. Did you ultimately successfully run all the migrations? When you say `hypperkitty never started`, what exactly does that mean? What happens when you try to access the archives? Can you access postorius? Are any errors logged in mailman3-web's log? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: sync_members via email

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/20/25 13:45, kbaumann(a)chicagoiww.org wrote: > I can use email to get a list of members: > > To: mylist-request(a)lists.theserver.org > Subject: who (password) The password argument is Mailman 2.1 only. If provided for Mailman 3 it will result in an error Unrecognized or invalid argument(s): (password) > Any chance that a sync_members could be accomplished in a similar fashion? Looks like it's only available from the console, but I'm asking anyway to be sure. You are correct, there is no email sync members function. The issue for this is authentication. As far as the who command is concerned, the only authentication is whether the sender is authorized to see the result. In the case of a spoofed sender, no harm is done as the result will be sent to the sender address. The same method could not be used for syncing members because if the sender were spoofed, the syncing would be done. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: mailman-core installation on debian stretch/maria-db

by Mark Sapiro

On 03/10/2018 01:53 PM, Wolfgang Bock wrote: > > Hi, > > I need your help: I installed mailman3 on a debian stretch environment > and faced following problems. How? Did you install <https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/mailman3-core>? If so, these are probably issues with the Debian package. You may find <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/455> to be of interest. If you installed Mailman some other way, How? > 1. On "mailman start" I got the error message: > Starting Mailman's master runner > /usr/bin/python3: can't open file '/sbin/master': [Errno 2] No such file > or directory Where is it? What does 'which master' show? > 2. connection to maria-db > In debian stretch maria-db is running. In my mailman.cfg I set: > [database] > class: mailman.database.mysql.MySQLDatabase > url: > mysql+pmysql://#username#:#user-pawo#@localhost/#databasename#?charset=utf8&use_unicode=1 should that be mysql+pymysql ? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Member Issue Discovered

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/29/20 5:17 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > > On 10/29/20 4:27 AM, Alex Schuilenburg via Mailman-users wrote: >> On 29/10/2020 01:57, Brian Carpenter wrote: >>> With Mailman 3, every list owner has the ability to remove a reply in >>> a thread, a complete thread, and even the entire archives. That is a >>> welcome difference from MM2 in my opinion. >> >> A very welcome difference, only I don't see this option in the web >> interface of my debian 3.2.1 installation. Is this a shell only >> option, 3.3 feature or configuration option I have missed? > It is not a shell option. It can be done via Hyperkitty but I am not > sure when that feature showed up. Actually, with current HyperKitty, only site admins can remove messages or threads or the archive. The ability for list owners to do it is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/261>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman addmember/syncmember commands print undecoded UTF-8 [ADD] or [DEL] mail addresses in its messages like "[ADD] =?utf-8?q?John_=....."

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/5/25 12:13, Wikinaut wrote: > I have such entries again in the postorius list "=?utf-8?q?Alexandro....", even after having deleted the user twice (there were no entries), the text file has nothing special, uchardet says "UTF8". Presumably these are being picked up from an email header that has the display name properly RFC 2047 encoded but then not decoded for the database address or user record. This could be a bug, but without knowing the exact scenario that results in these encoded display names, it's difficult to know where the bug might be. In what postorius list (members or non-members) are you seeing these? Are there log messages about them in the subscribe log (by default written to mailman.log)? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty Error Curiosity

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/11/20 4:18 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > > Some sort of auto-discard procedure after a number of retries? Is it > possible to detect a message with a null characters and automatically > discard them? Do such messages make it into the thread table? The message has been delivered to the list, but it is not archived. The list post has an Archived-At: header with a URL, but the message isn't there at all. The only way to get it archived is to correct the message defect. Thus, I don't think it's good to just discard the message at that point. I'm fine with moving out of or not queueing it in the first place in var/archives/hyperkitty/spool, but I think it should be preserved somewhere, say in var/archives/hyperkitty/bad, and along with that, some kind of notice sent to the site admin so bad messages don't just accumulate without being seen. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 11 months

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