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[MM3-users] Re: Unable to remove non-member

by Brian Carpenter

On 9/29/20 12:40 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Is that all it said? The code says it is > > The user could not be removed: <error message> > > Where <error message> is the relevant HTTP error. It says: The user could not be removed: Nothing comes after the colon. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Unable to remove non-member

by Brian Carpenter

On 9/29/20 1:18 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I see the issue. when mailmanclient processes the delete request from > Postorius it calls the REST API DELETE method with the URL > lists/<listname>/<role>/<address> and the address is `quoted` with > urllib.parse.quote_plus, co in this case, the URL becomes > lists/<listname>/nonmember/z_email%2Fdomain.org.za(a)domain.org.za > > This is all fine except the REST API doesn't call > urllib.parse.unquote_plus to change the %2F back to slash. This is now > reported at<https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/774>. Thanks Mark! -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Various patches for mm3 stable 3.3.1

by Brian Carpenter

On 9/30/20 11:52 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> 2. I would find the postorius UI much easier to cope with if the >> default template was 'populated' into the UI wherever it was non-blank, >> rather than the UI starting off as if no templates were defined at all. Our Affinity admin interface does that: Affinity Template -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Adding members to a mailman3 mailing list

by Onyeibo Oku

On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 08:08:58 -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > Since you are running the command as user `mailman`, the file must be > readable by that user. Is it? > ls -hl members.txt: -rw-rw-r--. 1 mailman mailman 78 Oct 14 16:15 members.txt See file permissions and ownership above. Unless mailman3 expects a certain Selinux context. -- Onyeibo

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Adding members to a mailman3 mailing list

by Onyeibo Oku

On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 08:08:58 -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > Since you are running the command as user `mailman`, the file must be > readable by that user. Is it? > This question inspired me to run mailman3 directly. It worked! However, I had to execute mailman3 from: /usr/libexec/mailman3/mailman rather than: /usr/bin/mailman3 (or just, ... mailman3). What is the recommended way to run mailman3 please?

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Adding members to a mailman3 mailing list

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > In my case, the `mailman` command I run invokes a bash file that looks like > > #!/bin/bash > exec /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/mailman \ > -C "/opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg" \ > $@ IIRC shell scripts have a race condition, although I don't recall the conditions under which it's exploitable. Perhaps SELinux is sensitive to that. I don't really see how we can take responsibility for such issues except to document it as one user's experience.

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Member Issue Discovered

by Brian Carpenter

On 10/19/20 10:23 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > And the import21 created the user and address records for this user. Does the same thing for a new subscriber as well. So there is no pathway to change a real name that is associated with an email address. None. Zilch. Mailman 2 made this so easy and Mailman 3 made it impossible. I will let someone else file the bug report. You don't really think that this is an issue which means it will be years before it is addressed. So I will save me some time. I will learn to live with it. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman import21

by Brian Carpenter

On 10/11/20 11:40 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > As I said, (msg|digest)_(header|footer) are MM 2.1 list attributes, not > templates. Those, and I think only those, are converted to > var/templates/lists/listname/lc/ templates by import21. I forgot to say thank you for the above information. That makes sense of what I am seeing with imports. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Member Issue Discovered

by Mark Dadgar

On Oct 20, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > Even in mailman 2.1, while a list admin could go to a user's options > page for the list and change things, the "change globally" check boxes > only worked for the user, not for the list admin. That was by design!? As an admin, that was so irritating. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: migration from 2.1 - owners and moderators

by Alex Schuilenburg

On 24/10/2020 19:29, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Those are Django tasks and don't affect this. You also need to run > `mailman digests --periodic` to send periodic digests (see > <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/d…>) > and `mailman notify` to send periodic moderator notices (see > <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/d…>). Thanks for reminding me I need to upgrade :-) 3.2.1 Does not have "notify" I'll wager that the sporadic notification messages are down to this version, so upgrading just bumped up my todo. -- Alex

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: AttributeError: 'MailingList' object has no attribute 'get_requests_count'

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > I think the issue is your mailmanclient is too old. The version of > Postorius you are running requires mailmanclient >3.3.1 which is only > available from GitLab <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailmanclient>. > > What version of Postorius is this? It appears to be >1.3.3. If you > install Postorius from unreleased code on GitLab, you have to install > all of mailman, mailmanclient and django-mailman3 as well. Shouldn't Postorius's setup.py be checking for this? Steve

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Member Issue Discovered

by Brian Carpenter

On 10/28/20 5:05 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Why do you keep bringing this up? The current design of Mailman core > does not remove the user when the user unsubscribes from a list, even if > it is their only subscription. We know you don't like this behavior, but > there are reasons for it. > > On the other hand, when a user removes their account, the circumstance > is different and we do remove the user's information in this case > because that's what the user asked for. Just clarifying Mark. I was surprised by your answer that's all. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: warning: database postfix_domains.db is older than source file postfix_domains

by Torge Riedel

Am 28.10.20 um 20:09 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > What does your systemd mailman.service script contain for ExecReload? ExecReload=/opt/mailman/core/bin/mailman.sh restart > What crons run at the time of the anomalous timestamps? I checked that and came to the idea, that there might by a reboot of the machine at that time. Maybe it is caused by start mailman & postfix at the same time or not in the "correct" order (postfix first, then mailman)? Kind regards Torge

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Django errors after deleting a thread

by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au

>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> writes: On 11/24/20 12:45 PM, peter(a)chubb.wattle.id.au wrote: >> E.g. Internal Server Error: >> /hyperkitty/list/list@domain/top-threads Mark> This should resolve itself eventually if you are running the Mark> Django periodic jobs, but to fix it you can manually run Mark> your_django_admin_command runjob recent_threads_cache Mark> which is a daily job which refreshes the recent threads cache. That did it. BTW thankyou *very* much for being so responsive on this mailing list. It's much appreciated. Peter C

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailmansuite.log Entries

by Brian Carpenter

On 12/1/20 8:22 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Those come from the HyperKitty sync_mailman job which is run by > hyperkitty_import if you don't specify --no-sync-mailman, but is also > one of the Django daily jobs. Ok but those number are the same for thousands of entries and apparently are being logged for weeks. That can't be good. How does one fix this? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderated Signup with "info" box?

by Brian Carpenter

On 12/7/20 11:15 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 12/7/20 7:55 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> Thank you for the clarification. I did not know that. Is that made clear >> in the documentation? > > See > <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/…>. > > Thanks Mark! -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: troubleshooting hyperkitty

by Morris Jones

On 12/10/2020 8:21 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: BTW, is archiving enabled for the list? See Postorius -> Settings -> Archiving. Good thought, it's set to "Public archives" But there's something ominous just below that setting, a headline that says "Active archivers" with no value beside it. Mojo -- Morris Jones, Monrovia, CA [1]BridgeMojo [2]Old Town Sidewalk Astronomers [3]Mojo's Blog References 1. http://bridgemojo.com/ 2. http://otastro.org/ 3. http://mojo.whiteoaks.com/

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: required cron entries?

by Andreas Barth

* Mark Sapiro (mark(a)msapiro.net) [201231 19:28]: > On 12/31/20 2:49 AM, Andreas Barth wrote: > > Looking in the source code, there is a ./cron/crontab.in.in however > > references to scripts in port_me/ directory. > > That's all old Mailman 2.1 stuff. ignore it. Can we replace that by a mailman3 cron tab? (I'm happy to write that as merge request if useful, but I assume that should be done rather by opening a bug report and using gitlabs features and not inline per mail) Andi

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: required cron entries?

by Andreas Barth

* Mark Sapiro (mark(a)msapiro.net) [210102 01:07]: > I think the real solution is to just remove the mailman/cron directory > and at least some of the mailman/port_me/ files. The cron/crontab.in.in > file is just a distraction. Well, or replace it with just a README.rst pointing to the web page (having something called "cron" in the source tree doesn't sound like a mistake to me). Regards, Andi

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: required cron entries?

by Andreas Barth

* Mark Sapiro (mark(a)msapiro.net) [210102 00:40]: > Do you mean you have messages in the shunt queue that were shunted > because of this error? yes (but my mail was just "I have the rare case where it isn't spam" :) ) > If so, just running Mailman's `mailman unshunt` command should reprocess > and deliver those. Yes, thanks, that's what I already understood from your last mail and did (after removing duplicates). Thanks for all for your great help. Andi

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Header Filter madness

by Brian Carpenter

Mark Sapiro wrote: > > What's in the X-Mailman-Rule-* headers of the post that should be > but > isn't held? > Are there other header filter rules besides the one that doesn't work? This is what the client provided me: X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-listname.listdomain.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; suspicious-header

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to approve moderated messages via email?

by Brian Carpenter

Thanks Mark. On 1/22/21 3:45 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 1/22/21 11:16 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> What is the protocol to approve moderated messages via email? I hope I >> asking the question correctly. >> > > You can't. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/169> > -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Module Not Found Error after update

by Brian Carpenter

On 2/4/21 11:46 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > You need django-mailman3 1.3.5 > > > While all are not required in this case, when you upgrade like this with > pip, you should upgrade all of django-mailman3, hyperkitty, mailman, > mailmanclient, mailman-hyperkitty and postorius. Thanks Mark. Perhaps Abhilash can include that in the instructions on the following page for future releases: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… I will make a note of this in my own personal documentation and the Debian 10 How-to guide that I am currently working on. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Sync list members

by Brian Carpenter

On 2/7/21 6:13 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/7/21 2:44 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Outside of using the REST API, are there any other ways to sync a >> Mailman 3 roster with a file that contains list members? > > If I understand correctly what you mean, see the `mailman syncmembers > --help`. > Thanks Mark. That is EXACTLY what I was needing. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius upgrade issue

by Joel Lord

Well, for a change that was an easy fix... Thanks! On 2/8/2021 6:47 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/8/21 3:38 PM, Joel Lord wrote: >> So I tried to do this after upgrading, fortunately only from 1 point >> release back, and I get "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named >> 'paintstore'" from the collectstatic. > > > Do you still have 'paintstore' in INSTALLED_APPS in your Django settings? > -- Joel Lord

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderator Approval Subscription template

by Brian Carpenter

On 2/8/21 9:27 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > That is an issue because the expanded template is filled and wrapped at > column 70 with mailman.utilities.string.wrap(). > > However, you can avoid wrapping the URL by preceding it in the template > with a space. Something like Mark, you are a beautiful person. Thank you. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Reason for Shunting

by Brian Carpenter

On 2/9/21 5:25 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/9/21 2:03 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> Is there a way to determine why a message keeps ending up in the shunt >> queue? >> > > Look in mailman.log for the `SHUNTING` message and the traceback that > immediately preceeds it. Thanks Mark. The reason was: Feb 09 16:40:11 2021 (2614) Uncaught runner exception: Multiple rows were found for one_or_none() sqlalchemy.orm.exc.MultipleResultsFound: Multiple rows were found for one_or_none() Feb 09 16:40:11 2021 (2614) SHUNTING: 1612906811.2642436+cd8e97a66b6d0c2b73c2adde71a4914108c3e673 I have no idea what that means. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problems with web interface after upgrade

by Victoriano Giralt

De: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> > On 2/9/21 11:11 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> >> So I am pretty sure you are going to need to install something like Dart >> Sass. Perhaps the following thread might be helpful: :-( Thanks Brian > Or, on recent Debian/Ubuntu at least, just > ``` > apt install sassc > ``` Thanks Mark! It's CentOS7, but sassc was already installed and has -t as short for --style. Mailman+Postorius+Hyperkitty were humming smoothly until I did the upgrade. We need another idea ... -- Victoriano Giralt Sent from mobile device

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderation Action Changed After Import

by Brian Carpenter

On 2/12/21 3:14 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > It seems you imported to an existing list with import21. This is > probably not a good idea. > > Those members who were moderated members of the MM 2.1 list will have > their moderation action set to Hold, Reject or Discard based on the 2.1 > list setting. I don't understand. Does not the import21 script require the Mailman 3 list to be created first? The Mailman 3 list was new with no members when I ran the import script. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderation Action Changed After Import

by Brian Carpenter

On 2/12/21 5:38 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > However, to address your concern, As far as I know, import21 is doing > the right thing. If you want to send me the config.pck you imported, I > can try to verify that. Thanks Mark. I will get that off to you sometime tomorrow. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Unknown templates being used

by Brian Carpenter

On 2/14/21 8:15 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I agree and appreciate that Brian is very supportive. In my initial > reply, it was not clear to me that Brian had referred you here which is > the only reason I pointed out that he was your primary line of support. It really didn't matter as the question by Tom was clearly related to Mailman 3 and not to Affinity. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Imported Digest Settings

by Brian Carpenter

On 2/16/21 6:13 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/16/21 2:28 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> The beginning of my OP stated I was using Mailman 3.3.3. > Then please get me a copy of the complete raw digest message so I can > try to find the underlying issue. > Not sure how to do that. Do you mean have the list member forward their garbled digest message to me? Is that what you need? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: archiving problem & updates

by Brian Carpenter

On 2/19/21 1:13 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I'm not sure what causes Request Entity Too Large, but I suspect it is a > very large message body. You can examine the messages in > var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ with Mailman's `bin/mailman qfile` > command, but I suspect the problem is caused by the largest of the > files. You can just move it aside, and that should allow archiving to > resume. I believe that is a NGINX error message. The following link has more information: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-unix-bsd-nginx-413-request-entity-too-l… -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/direttivo@catania.linux.it/top-threads

by blackout69

Il 01/03/21 00:39, Mark Sapiro ha scritto: > On 2/28/21 3:34 PM, blackout69 wrote: > > > What happened to the posts that were sent and not delivered. are they in > Mailman's var/queue/shunt/ queue? Are there errors reported in Mailman's > mailman.log? No errors in my mailman.log After restarting the mailman3 and mailman3-web services, the posts arrived regularly. -- blackout69

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/direttivo@catania.linux.it/top-threads

by blackout69

Il 01/03/21 01:22, Mark Sapiro ha scritto: > On 2/28/21 4:00 PM, blackout69 wrote: > So the posts must have been in one of Mailman's queues (maybe `in` or > `pipeline`, not `out` unless the messages were successfully archived > before the restart) and the corresponding runner was hung or gone. There > should be some indication in mailman.log if a runner died. mailman.log does not report anything about the dead runner. However I would like to know where I find the status of the various runners (in, pipeline and out)Thank you -- blackout69

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Domain ownership issues

by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au

>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> writes: Mark> This is still very much a work in progress. Currently domain Mark> owners can (I think) create domain specific templates, but they Mark> can't create lists in their domains. So is there any way to delegate list creation? Or does the site owner always have to do it? Peter C

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: statistics monitoring for Mailman3

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 3/11/21 7:03 PM, Mohsen Masoudfar wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I am wondering if there is a monitoring application available for > > Mailman3 to display statistics about the number of emails send > > for each maillist. There was a Systers "dashboard" project, but it was mostly aimed at subscribers. Statistics were mentioned, but I don't recall if they were implemented in a systematic way. Steve

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Five Year Old Issue

by Brian Carpenter

On 3/14/21 9:25 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 3/14/21 5:51 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> So this means the fix will show up in the next stable release? > > Yes, the fix is committed to gitlab and will be in the next release of > Mailman core to PyPI. > > Thanks Mark! That should make one of my clients very happy. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: statistics monitoring for Mailman3

by Seth Seeger

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, at 11:32 AM, Seth Seeger wrote: > > > On Mar 12, 2021, at 12:10 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > > You inspired me. See <https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/smtp_report>. > > I get the following error: > > File "./smtp_report", line 44 > print(f' {lname}: {tot}') > ^ > SyntaxError: invalid syntax > > I'm running python3 (3.5.3), and I'm afraid I don't know enough python > to know what's wrong. My wife fixed it! f-strings don't show up until Python 3.6. She rewrote the two print statements as: print(' ' + lname + ': ' + str(tot)) Seth

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: CC header

by Brian Carpenter

On 3/18/21 3:02 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Yes. Header filters can be set on any header. You specify the header to > match on and the regexp to match with. The header can be anything, even > say `x-never-heard-of` in which case the match will be against any > `X-Never-Heard-Of:` (case insensitive) header that happens to be in the > message Thanks Mark. That is good to know. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem with redirection when entering alias without a / at the end

by Jens Günther

I did have the first setting, yes. The second one no, but activated it now, no change. Am 20.03.21 um 00:00 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > I don't use uwsgi so I can't advise on its configuration, but do you have > > USE_X_FORWARDED_HOST = True > SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER = ('HTTP_X_FORWARDED_PROTO', 'https') > > in your Django settings?

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem with redirection when entering alias without a / at the end

by Jens Günther

Mh, actually I don't know, what you mean. I only do have one config-file and that's the one I posted :-( ((Probably I should update the suite to 3.3.3 before continuing to figure out what's wrong. I just thought before installing everything to run with the stable one provided by Debian, seems that it wasn't the best idea :-) )) Am 20.03.21 um 02:25 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > > How about the actual uwsgi config. Maybe something like /etc/uwsgi.ini > > See https://uwsgi-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Configuration.html > >

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Rejection Reason for refusing a subscription request

by Brian Carpenter

On 3/27/21 6:42 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Ooops, Abhilash is correct. I have a bad habit of focusing on what's in > the body of a post and sometimes missing relevant info in the subject. > Sorry. Ok, can you or Abhilash reply to my previous questions. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty download mbox

by Andrew Hodgson

Mark Sapiro wrote: >``` >msg["Message-ID"] = "<%s>" % re.sub('[ <>\r\n]', '', self.message_id) >``` Thanks that did the trick. Will this need to go in the upstream release or is there any way I could re-import those messages into the database with a newer version of the import command from the original mbox from 2.1 to fix this? Thanks. Andrew.

4 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Sad news - Brian Carpenter

by smorytko＠gmail.com

https://www.tributearchive.com/obituaries/21066847/Brian-Keith-Carpenter/wa… I mentioned some "unfortunate circumstances" in a recent post. An inquiry from Mark Sapiro prompted me to do a search and I sadly found this. Brian's company managed our list and on 4/22 we became aware that he was hospitalized with Covid. Rest in peace Brian. Steve Morytko

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Sad news - Brian Carpenter

by blackout69

Il 12/05/21 21:45, smorytko(a)gmail.com ha scritto: > https://www.tributearchive.com/obituaries/21066847/Brian-Keith-Carpenter/wa… > I mentioned some "unfortunate circumstances" in a recent post. An inquiry from Mark Sapiro prompted me to do a search and I sadly found this. > Brian's company managed our list and on 4/22 we became aware that he was hospitalized with Covid. > Rest in peace Brian. I knew Brian from this list. I read his posts with great interest because I considered him a person of great competence and seriousness. We will miss him very much. Rest in peace Brian. 😞 -- blackout69

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: OS upgrade - anything to take care of?

by Torge Riedel

Am 13.05.21 um 21:06 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On the other hand, if the symlinks in the venv are to things like > /usr/bin/python3 and /usr/lib/python3 which used to point to 3.6 > versions and after upgrade point to 3.8 versions, it should just work. Hi, yes, that is the case on the machine I already upgraded. But I looked to all directories in venv and saw some "non-symlinked" python 3.6 stuff. So I will go the "new venv" approach Andrew mentioned. Just to be safe. Kind regards Torge

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /accounts/login/

by Mark Dadgar

On May 18, 2021, at 7:58 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > In case you haven't done it, I think just deleting one of the addresses > (the non-primary one) in Django's Email Addresses section will solve > your issue. Yes, it did! Thanks for the help, as always. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Bounce counter visibility for List Admins

by Mark Dadgar

On May 19, 2021, at 8:41 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > In the next release of Mailman core (3.3.5), lists will have a > `bounce_notify_owner_on_bounce_increment` setting which if True, will > send to the list admins a notice including the triggering DSN when a > user's bounce score is incremented. This setting will also be exposed in > Postorius 1.3.5. That’s great news. This is a pain point for me as well. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Getting connection timed out

by blackout69

Il 23/05/21 01:21, Mark Sapiro ha scritto: > Can you successfully telnet to port 25 on mail.simail.it from the > Mailman server? No > If you can connect (via telnet) to port 25 on mail.simail.it from the > Mailman server, then I'd suggest stopping and restarting Postfix. if i try from the mail server i get telnet mail.simail.it 25 Trying 217.27.113.30... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out while if I try from my computer telnet mail.simail.it 25 Trying 217.27.113.30... Connected to mail.simail.it. Escape character is '^]'. 220 mail.simail.it ESMTP ready. quit 221 mail.simail.it closing connection Connection closed by foreign host. -- blackout69

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to store additional information about lists?

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > As far as I know, none of this has ever been migrated to Mailman 3. It has been migrated to Mailman 3, there were at least two related GSoC projects, and the repo was on GitHub, but it's not at the same URL now. Not sure if they've stopped using it, I haven't mentored there for four or five years. Let me look around. Steve

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 generates long lines?

by Andreas Barth

* Mark Sapiro (mark(a)msapiro.net) [210623 15:34]: > We would need to see the email itself in order to begin to > understand if this is a Mailman issue or some issue withe the mail > as received by Mailman. > > Assuming the prototype archiver is enabled, you should be able to > find the messages in Mailman's var/archives/prototype/LIST/new/ > directory. One question, in order to ease debugging, can I forcefully activate the prototype archiver from the global configuration, or do I need to do that on a per-list basis? Andi

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Is it possible to grant all users the ability to Create List

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > It would be simple enough to create a new @staff_required decorator > which would require staff or superuser status and replace the > @superuser_required decorator on the list_new() function with > @staff_required. Then any user with `staff` status could create lists. This simple scheme would allow them to create lists on any domain, right? Probably would not want to enable it on multi-domain sites. Steve

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius no connection to REST API

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

On 10/8/21 4:24, Mark Sapiro wrote: > It appears from the rest of your post(s) that you are actually using > mod_wsgi and (hopefully) not running uwsgi at all. You're completely right, as always. My apologies for the noise --

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installation -- error on mailman-web migrate

by Mark Dale

> On 9/16/21 8:11 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Actually, upon reflection, the paths in the doc will work as var_dir only affects Mailman core and the settings.py file is for Django. What's missing is that you would need to create the directories `/opt/mailman/web/` and `/opt/mailman/web/logs` manually. > > Thanks. And done. root@mx:/opt/mailman# mkdir web root@mx:/opt/mailman# mkdir web/logs root@mx:/opt/mailman# chown -R mailman:mailman web

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: very few moderation capabilities for moderators

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

On 18/9/21 20:27, Mark Sapiro wrote: > from mailman.interfaces.action import Action > def moderar(mlist, member): > memb = mlist.members.get_member(member) > if not memb: > print('{} is not a list member.'.format(member)) > return > memb.moderation_action = Action.hold > print('{} moderation_action set to hold.'.format(member)) That completely did it. The problem about finding the module was completely gone when I made a soft link in the same directory where mailman command is (in /usr/local/bin, for your info). Thank you very, very much.

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: very few moderation capabilities for moderators

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

On 18/9/21 22:59, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 9/18/21 11:56 AM, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: >> >> Just a one more silly question: >> >> Where do I can find the diferent values that memb.moderation_action >> can take? (I want to prepare the "unhold" script too) > > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/interfaces/act… > Thanks: It's perfect

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: disable body transcoding

by Markus Schaaf

Am 22.09.21 um 19:26 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > This is probably due to the message body charset being utf-8. The Python > email library used by Mailman encodes utf-8 message bodies as base64. Thank you very much for that helpful clue. > Note this is just a guess and could be a disaster so test it before > trying it in production. It doesn't look dangerous ... :-) But ok, maybe it's a good idea to have a playground anyway. I'll report back after setting up a test system and trying your patch. BR

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: API privileges question for mailman3

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 10/14/21 12:41 PM, bob B wrote: > > So I just wanted to confirm there is no way to limit API access? What Mark said. > > For example I have a group that wants to use API access to mange > > their mail lists, but from what I can gather, if I give them > > access to the API they would have access to ALL the mail lists > > etc.. You could give them a separate VM or container with their own instance of Mailman. But that means they can't share user information with the main instance. Steve

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Message IDs

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > Note also that Mailman core communicates with archivers to determine > what goes in the Archived-At: header and this value is usually based on > the Message-ID:. Changing the Message-ID: could possibly render that > value incorrect. I forgot about that. MTAs allow existing Message-IDs through though, so Mailman could generate that outgoing Message-ID, add it to the the message, and put that in the Message ID hash. I'm obviously not in favor of doing that, though.

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 postorius cannot retrieve template

by Quanah Gibson-Mount

--On Thursday, November 4, 2021 8:25 AM -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 11/4/21 5:04 AM, Wolfgang Bock via Mailman-users wrote: >> >> My conclusion: >> I ask you to consider these experiences in an update for the mailman3 >> packages in debian bullseye. It would save time, questions and nerves. > > > Issues with Debian packaging should be directed to Debian. Or as previously discussed, the debian packages should be avoided entirely. --Quanah -- Quanah Gibson-Mount Product Architect Symas Corporation Packaged, certified, and supported LDAP solutions powered by OpenLDAP: <http://www.symas.com>

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Race condition when mass subscribing same email addresses to two lists?

by Alan So

Mark Sapiro wrote: > It is not a new issue. It has always been there. It's easy enough to > avoid, just don't run parallel mass subscribes. Thanks. Since we have many administrators working on different lists and they normally remove all memberships & mass subscribe during academic term start, it is possible that they may mass subscribe at the same time. The chance to hit this issue is slim anyway since they need to subscribe the same email addresses around the same time and these email addresses never exist on Mailman. Alan

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Bug in 2.1.36?

by Joel Lord

On 11/12/2021 5:25 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > Thanks for the report. I think the issue is caused by the fix for > https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/1949403 and can occur when a > list admin is trying to handle moderator requests on a list that has no > moderator password. I'll investigate and try to put out another fix > later today. > The list definitely has a moderator password, but I'm not certain that the site had a sitepass set. I had to set one to get in and look around. -- Joel Lord

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Bug in 2.1.36?

by Joel Lord

On 11/12/2021 5:25 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Thanks for the report. I think the issue is caused by the fix for > https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/1949403 and can occur when a > list admin is trying to handle moderator requests on a list that has no > moderator password. I'll investigate and try to put out another fix > later today. > Just realized I misread your statement. No, these lists don't have any "moderators", so they don't have a moderator password set. Just admins, doing both roles. -- Joel Lord

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty messages stuck in spool

by Andrew Hodgson

Mark Sapiro wrote: >On 11/4/21 5:06 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: >> Hi. >> >> I am seeing an issue whereby messages get stuck in the /opt/mailman/var/archives/hyperkitty/spool directory. > >This happens when Mailman's attempt to archive the message gets a non-success status from HyperKitty. The pickled message object gets stored in the above spool/ directory. Each subsequent message to archive retries the messages in the spool. Ok thanks for this. Its happening because the Gunicorn process running the Django server is being killed due to OOM conditions. Is there any settings I can change to troubleshoot/throttle this in Gunicorn or Django? Thanks. Andrew.

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Post-installation documentation?

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > Both docs.list.org and docs.mailman3.org are CNAMEs the resolve > ultimately to readthedocs.io. I.e. they both get to the same readthedocs > pages the source for which is the > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite-doc project. > > https://mailman.readthedocs.io/ also goes readthedocs.io, but to the > documentation for Mailman core rather than that for Mailman Suite. That doesn't seem like a great idea. :-(

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: list footer web customization procedure

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > In Postorius go to the Templates tab for the list, click New Template, > then in the Name dropdown select [list:member:regular:footer], leave the > Data box empty and Save. Does Django empty out the "spacetebasket" if it's all white space, or does spurious whitespace in that box lead to an (apparently) empty footer being added? Anway, I recommend to the OP that they make sure there's no whitespace in the Data box.

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: nginx configuration on a multitasking server

by David Newman

On 12/10/21 4:48 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I think you can set the document root to the roundcubemail root and then > set locations for the Mailman destinations as, e.g. > .. > I haven't tried anything like this, so I'm not sure it will work, but I > think so. Bingo. I can report that all list, archive, account, and Django admin pages I tested work as expected. Thank you! dn

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailing Lists

by David Newman

On 12/23/21 3:35 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > That said, your issue is because the list is adding a message footer (or > possibly header or both) to the delivered message. This is discussed in > the FAQ at https://wiki.list.org/x/4030707 This is a much better answer than mine, and the likely culprit. Sorry, but I'd missed the part where you said attachments were getting through. dn

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: [SOLVED] Re: Re: Newbie question 2: Rewriting issue for bounced emails

by William Oliver

On Mon, 2021-12-27 at 16:38 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > > Because you set > > smtp_host: mail.libertyfp.org > > in mailman.cfg. If you leave the default settings > > smtp_host: localhost > smtp_port: 25 > > you won't have this issue. > Aha. I thought I was being smart. You are right. billo

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Lessons learned and a couple little gotcha for newbies

by William Oliver

On Tue, 2021-12-28 at 17:50 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > The recommended uwsgi.ini includes > > pythonpath = /etc/mailman3/ > > according to > https://uwsgi-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Options.html?highlight=pythonpa… > > this should work. Did you have that? If you did and it doesn't work, > perhaps adding > > env = PYTHONPATH=/etc/mailman3 > Yes, I had the first, and does not work. The second entry works. This is on debian 11/nginx/postgres/postfix system. Thanks, billo

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: is there a mailman command/setting to periodically clean archives?

by William Oliver

On Wed, 2021-12-29 at 16:11 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > The cron will work for the prototype archives, but it's probably > easier > to just disable the prototype archiver. For HyperKitty, see the > thread > at > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… > > Cool. Thanks for the script. I'll give it a shot once I accumulate some archives. billo

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: signup / registration error - permissions and cert chains

by David Newman

On 12/31/21 6:59 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> SMTPRecipientsRefused at /accounts/signup/ >> {'newuser(a)dom1.tld': (504, b'5.5.2 <postorius@localhost>: Sender >> address rejected: need fully-qualified address')} > ... >> Settings: >> Using settings module settings > ... >> DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'postorius@localhost' > > > Try setting this to a fully qualified address, e.g., > something(a)networktest.com, not @localhost. Bingo. Thank you for this, and for helping so many MM users. To a healthier, more clueful, and generally much improved 2022! dn > More info at > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html#setting-up-email

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Strange behaviour when SSL (https) is activated

by fr-mm3＠tourde.org

Le 18995ième jour après Epoch, Mark Sapiro écrivait: > When you go to the login page, is the url in your browser's address > bar an https url? Yes, it is. But I need to investigate a bit more about 2 or 3 issues I just noticed. I got oom-kill on uwsgi (argh !), and some timeouts (but not clearly related to) on haproxy side. I'll come back here once these issues clarified. Thanks all for your replies !

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Issues with international characters (replaced by ?) when mail is send as text/html

by Michal Soltys

On 1/12/22 17:56, Mark Sapiro wrote: > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/967 is now fixed. This is > the patch to fix it. See > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/946 Checked, works fine. Thanks again.

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: under which uid should uwsgi/manage.py run?

by Axel Rau

> Am 14.01.2022 um 18:11 schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > > All Mailman processes including Mailman core's runners and all Postorius, HyperKitty Django processes and Django management commands should run as the Mailman user. Including the uwagi processes ? I.e. uid=mailman gid=mailman in uwsgi.ini ? Axel --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Custom templates (was: Re: Re: nginx configuration on a multitasking server)

by David Newman

On 1/15/22 9:33 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 1/14/22 8:30 PM, David Newman wrote: >> >> Is there a variable for the base Postorius URL? Something like: >> >> https://${baseVarName}/lists/${list_id} > > > If you or someone submits the relevant feature request and it is > implemented, there will be, but not until then. OK. Issues 968 and 969 respectively request a new base URL variable and the inclusion of URLs in templates. https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/968 https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/969 Thanks very much for all your helpful thoughts on this. dn

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mirroring a mailman3 server

by Axel Rau

Thanks for your answer, Mark. > Am 17.01.2022 um 04:37 schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net <mailto:mark@msapiro.net>>: > >> >> While creating a domain, what should I enter into the fields? >> Mail Host lists.framail.de <http://lists.framail.de/> (currently lists5.lrau.net <http://lists5.lrau.net/>) > > Mail Host is the FQDN of the host's email address. I would prefer the entering the alias pointing at the mailhost here, because the alias stays the same after failover and so configuration data stays valid. Is this supported by mailman? Axel --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] [RESOLVED] Re: urllib.error --was: Re: No module named 'mailman3hyperkitty'

by Axel Rau

Hi Mark, > Am 18.01.2022 um 17:49 schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > > The above seems to be from Django's log. What's in Mailman core's mailman.log? I find there: - - - mailman.interfaces.configuration.MissingConfigurationFileError: /usr/local/mailman3/var/etc/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg - - - (-; (I had mailman-hyperkitty.conf) Thanks, Axel --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem creating list members using REST API

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > Agreed. I guess we sort of assume that people dealing directly with the > REST API are familiar with both [Mailman and Python]. Empathy and Affinity are PHP applications (although I think we can assume that Brian provided the Mailman knowledge if the programmer didn't have it). I think we should assume that there are a lot (in dozens) of folks out there thinking about accessing Mailman's REST API from various languages, although I suspect most are familiar with Mailman. Steve

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Held messages: Long time waiating for response of the Mailman API

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > mailmancore/API ->database > > that seems to have an issue and only with this one > > DELETE FROM pendedkeyvalue WHERE pendedkeyvalue.id = XXX > > query. However, like you, I have no idea as to what you could do further > to debug this. I have an idea, but it seems so obvious that presumably it's already been tried: log in to the database as mailman with pgsql and try deleting something. If that works immediately, try with mailmanclient and the mailman command line utility. Steve

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: list footer questions

by Stanisław Findeisen

Mark Sapiro wrote: > There is documentation at > https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/…, > but it can be difficult to follow. > https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… > describes the various templates and the substitutions available. Speaking of this: how do I get a nice *-leave address, like the one in the footer below this message? There doesn't seem to be a template placeholder for this. Thank you Stanisław

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Dealing with email bounces from web signups

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > This would require changes to Mailman in that even with subscription > policy confirm and moderate, confirmation comes before moderation. I can see that changing this would be unpopular with moderators on very active lists (or with lots of active lists), but maybe we should (a) offer the option to moderate first and (b) make it the default. Mark, do you have any idea what the numbers are for unconfirmed subscription attempts vs. those that make it to the moderators for python.org and mailman3.org lists? Steve

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY - 401 error

by Torsten R.

Mark Sapiro wrote: > > = 1.3.5 or downgrade mailman-hyperkitty to 1.1.0 or install the patch OK, thanks. That improved the situation. The messages are now archived successfully and can be seen in the web interface of HyperKitty. The only thing left now seems to be some weird message in the mailman.log telling me that it can't connect to the SMTP server listening on localhost port 25. But I think I will find out why Mailman doesn't want to talk to my mail server.

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: WebFrontend language not working

by c.buhtz＠posteo.jp

Dear Mark, thanks for the reply. On 2022-06-05 15:37 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > Tell your browser that your preferred language is English. No I won't. I want the mailman3 interface in English not all content from my browser. > The web UI is based on Django and Django gets your locale from your > browser. Than this is a (design) bug in Django. But I assume that Django is able to overwrite this behavior. You just have to use that feature.

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: How can I clear "Subscription request already pending" status ?

by Axel Rau

> Am 24.06.2022 um 18:01 schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > > In recent Postorius (>= 1.2.4), pull down the Subscription requests menu and select Pending Confirmation. Then find and delete the request. This worked. Thanks, Axel --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] OT grep hint [was: FYI: Django security releases ...]

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 7/7/22 3:09 PM, David Newman wrote: > > I *think* the command runs if I escape the hyphen: > Yes, escaping the hyphen is the correct thing to do. You could also try > something like > ``` > grep -r '.-jango' /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/ grep -r -e -jango ... should also work (and return nothing in this case). -e can be used multiple times, effectively or-ing the regexps. (Especially useful with -F if you have a lot of regexp operators in fixed strings!)

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: All addresses in a bounced list posting seem to be considered as bouncing

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > I can't explain what happened in your case. It seems that somehow > the original post was delivered to the -bounces address and parsed > by one of the heuristic recognizers (probably simplematch), but how > could that happen? People (or their homebrew MUAs) occasionally think the bounces address is the right place to post. We've seen that before, maybe that happened this time. Or it could be a deliberate attack. Steve

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: check/update delivery status via python script

by Eggert Ehmke

Am Dienstag, 19. Juli 2022, 23:01:14 CEST schrieb Mark Sapiro: > Where did you find the link to > https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/release-3.0/? Google showed me that link. Will try your suggestion.

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: Message-Footer after migrating to Mailman3

by Peter Münster

On Mon, May 24 2021, Mark Sapiro wrote: > To disable adding footers entirely, sitewide, create an empty file, > readable by Mailman at Mailman's > ``` > var/templates/site/de/list:member:generic:footer.txt > ``` > More about templates and search rules is at > templates/de/list:member:generic:footer.txt and > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/utilities/i18n… Hi, I have created an empty file /var/lib/mailman/templates/site/en/list:member:generic:footer.txt But there is still the default footer in the messages. How could I debug this issue please? TIA for any hints, -- Peter

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Message-Footer after migrating to Mailman3

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Peter Münster writes: > On Mon, May 24 2021, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > var/templates/site/de/list:member:generic:footer.txt Note "de" in the above. > I have created an empty file > /var/lib/mailman/templates/site/en/list:member:generic:footer.txt Do you really mean "en"? If the user's primary language setting is de, I presume /var/lib/mailman/templates/site/de/list:member:generic:footer.txt will override /var/lib/mailman/templates/site/en/list:member:generic:footer.txt Steve

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Default setting for Delivery status

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > > At the moment, a new subscriber is neither "Enabled" or > > "Disabled". Would it be hard to arrange to display "Fallback" or some similar word there? (Assuming you know offhand -- if not I'll try to get to it this weekend or so.) Steve

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Is there a way to see all the list's held messages

by Martin Lorenz

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/11/22 07:04, bob B via Mailman-users wrote: [...] > run mailman' mean you are an admin of the server on which it is > installed? If so, you can do this in mailman shell, but what do you in my case: yes > want to see? I.e., just a summary by list of subject, sender and hold > reason how would I do this? Additional question: how would I set/change the owner of a number of lists identifyable by a regular expression?

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: URL-lines in templates get folded

by Frank Steinberg

Am 18.10.2022 um 20:55 schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > […] In particular, lines beginning with whitespace aren't wrapped so if you put your long URL preceded by a space, all on one line it won't wrap. As easy as that? :-) Thank you!

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification

by Onyeibo Oku

On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:52:03 -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 10/21/22 01:14, Onyeibo Oku wrote: > > > > In any case, it works when virtual environment is active. Any idea > > how to activate that environment via systemd then? > > > Can you successfully start mailman (or run any mailman commands) > with, e.g. ``` > /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start > > or > > /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman info > ``` > without activating the venv? > Yes. All those are working without activating venv.

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification

by Onyeibo Oku

On Sat Oct 22, 2022 at 7:44 PM WAT, Mark Sapiro wrote: > The specific error you reported refers tp > /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/zope.i18nmessageid-5.0.1-py3.10.egg-info/PKG-INFO > > what does > ``` > ls -l > /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/zope.i18nmessageid-5.0.1-py3.10.egg-info/PKG-INFO > ``` > show? > See below: command: ls -lh /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/zope.i18nmessageid-5.0.1-py3.10.egg-info/PKG-INFO output: -rw-r--r--. 1 mailman mailman 7.8K Oct 19 18:31 /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/zope.i18nmessageid-5.0.1-py3.10.egg-info/PKG-INFO -Onyeibo

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: restriction on attrs?

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > and I determined that was due to attrs==21.3.0 so I pinned it <21.3.0 > and diffcov then passed. > > It appears that constraint is no longer required. OK, that all makes sense. Thanks for the reply! Steve

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3.3 ignores

by Axel Rau

Am 08.11.2022 um 09:14 schrieb Axel Rau <Axel.Rau(a)chaos1.de>: > Am 08.11.2022 um 08:11 schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net <mailto:mark@msapiro.net>>: > > > What is /var/templates now? I.e., is it a symlink to /usr/local/mailman3/var/templates? what does `ls -l /var/templates` (no slash at the end) show? > It does not exist. No directory, no link. Maybe I remember it wrong. Axel PS: Can I send posts with attachments to this list? My last posting didn’t make it. --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: No Archives

by Odhiambo Washington

On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 2:31 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/21/22 01:52, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > Could this be due to the fact that I am accessing the site using a domain > > name different than what the actual site is? > > Yes, If your setting for FILTER_VHOST is True. > Thank you very much. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Looking for my lost shaker of salt ... er, mailman.cfg

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > If you run the `mailman` command without any -C option, it will look for > a config in /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg "mailman start" (at least) ALSO will create an empty config in var/etc/mailman.cfg. This cause me a lot of pain until I linked the mailman user's $HOME/var/etc/mailman.cfg to /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg. I will report this in a few hours if nobody else gets to it first. Steve

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Extracting mailing list users

by Eggert Ehmke

I edited this file: venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_members.py The content at line 107ff is: #patch of Mark Sapiro # if email_only: if email_only or not address.display_name: print(address.original_email, file=outfp) else: # print(formataddr((address.display_name, address.original_email)), file=outfp) print(f'{address.display_name} <{address.original_email}>', file=outfp) This file is actually executed when I call mailman members. I verified this by uncommenting the first (old) print line. Now each address is printed twice (as expected), with the utf8 code in both lines in case of umlauts.

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty installation: Unclear instructions

by Johannes Rohr

Am 06.01.23 um 00:23 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > > Just follow the instructions at > <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html>. They > are the current recommendation and will result in a complete > installation. > Thanks! But hyperkitty still has to be configured in order to work, doesn't it? Where are the instructions that are compatible with the virtualenv installation method? Thanks! Johannes

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty installation: Unclear instructions

by Johannes Rohr

Thanks. But can you tell me where the manage.py is that is needed for the import command mentioned here? https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html python manage.py hyperkitty_import -lfoo-list(a)example.com $var_prefix/archives/private/foo-list.mbox/foo-list.mbox Thanks! Johannes Am 06.01.23 um 00:48 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 1/5/23 15:40, Johannes Rohr wrote: >> >> Thanks! But hyperkitty still has to be configured in order to work, >> doesn't it? Where are the instructions that are compatible with the >> virtualenv installation method? > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#initial-configu… > >

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty installation: Unclear instructions

by Johannes Rohr

Am 06.01.23 um 01:22 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > > When you follow the virtualenv install the Django management command > is named `mailman-web`. This is shown for example at > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#run-database-mi… > and the next few sections. For importing archives, it would be, with > the venv active, e.g. > ``` > (venv)$ mailman-web hyperkitty_import -lfoo-list(a)example.com > $var_prefix/archives/private/foo-list.mbox/foo-list.mbox > ``` > Thank you so much! Johannes

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cross-List and Domain based sender whitelisting ( accept_these_nonmembers )

by Johannes Rohr

Am 16.09.21 um 01:13 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 9/8/21 3:39 PM, Patrick Brückner wrote: >> >> What I can't seem to find is the option to whitelist senders based on >> a domain AND on membership on a different list. > > > As Abhilash said, Mailman 3 accepts regexps in accept_these_nonmembers > for whitelisting domains. Currently Mailman 3 does not support > whitelisting the members of another list. Is this still true in the current version? I have been using this quite extensively with mailman2, so loosing it is the one major drawback of the migration. Johannes > >

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Updated script for checking and fixing mbox files.

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > I have also added [the updated cleanarch3] at > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/contrib/clea… > for the next release. Thanks Mark!

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 6:54 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 1/30/23 05:01, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = ('127.0.0.1', '::1') > > So an array?? > > In Python ('127.0.0.1', '::1') is a tuple. MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM is a > sequence > < > https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#sequence-types-list-tuple-r…>. > > It can be a tuple as above or a list like ['127.0.0.1', '::1'] > muito obrigado :) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Improve logging?

by Odhiambo Washington

On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 9:10 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 1/31/23 09:27, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > The scary part though is the line that starts with ' Traceback'. > > It's what I'd love to not-see unless there is a serious problem. > > See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1059 Thank you. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Monthly Password Reminders

by Odhiambo Washington

On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 8:21 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 2/2/23 06:29, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > Does MM3 send these monthly subscription reminders the way MM2 used to > do? > > I am looking for the setting, but can't find that in the list settings. > > > No, it does not. The rationale behind the decision to toss away that feature? Security?? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3+Python3.11

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 7:32 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 3/6/23 08:23, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > I install Python3.11 manually on Debian12 (maybe this is the issue!) VM > > using the script below: > > #!/bin/bash > > cd Python-3.11.2 > > ./configure --enable-optimizations > > You also want --enable-shared > I had done that, but somehow the build had failed with it. I will try it again. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: New year releases!

by Torge Riedel

Thank you for your feedback, I will try this argument next time. Kind regards Torge Am 12.02.23 um 17:10 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 2/12/23 06:16, Torge Riedel wrote: >> >> Today I updated core and web of mailman3 and ran into all the issues you can have: >> - Dependencies are not updated properly > > > This depends on your pip version. With recent pip you need to specify `--upgrade-strategy eager` along with --upgrade to upgrade dependencies. This is a bit less aggressive than --force-reinstall. >

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Delete Django profiles not signed up to a list

by Andrew Hodgson

Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >> First, get the latest version of the script from >> https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/clean_users.py - not the one in this >> threat attached to >> https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/me >> ssage/YH676B67U24VXXNX2UMJYNVSFEAKAHYG/ Thanks for the updated script it works a charm. Andrew.

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: List notices in French, but subject in English

by Mark Dale

On 2023-04-06 14:59, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> I have a list set with it's preferred language set as French and the body of the standard notification emails (eg. Welcome message) is correctly sent in French, however the subject of the emails is in English. > > > This is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/993>, fixed in Mailman>=3.3.6 by <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1000>. > Thank you Mark. As I feared, a little more than just the .mo file. Best, Mark

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to hide sender completely

by Roland Miyamoto

Thanks, Mark, On 10/05/2023 01:50, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Both this and all other incoming Received: headers are removed from > posts to anonymous lists beginning with Mailman 3.3.4. > X-MailFrom: headers are also removed as of Mailman 3.3.4. For clarifying. I am currently running GNU Mailman 3.2.1 (La Villa Strangiato) under Debian buster (10). Seems I will have to upgrade to Debian bookworm (12) if I want to stick with the deb package and want complete anonymity to work. Or else dive into the virtualenv, which seems to be recommended option anyway. Thank you very much, for me the question is thereby settled. Roland

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman break DKIM signature by modifying body

by Peter Münster

On Mon, Jun 05 2023, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Changes like those above are due to Python's stdlib email module. Ok, I'll submit a bug report. > Instead, you should be DKIM signing your outgoing mail and perhaps applying > Mailman's DMARC mitigations if DMARC is an issue. I would like to keep things as simple as possible. Before changing my setup, I'll see, if there is any chance, that the email module gets fixed. -- Peter

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] problem with Python's stdlib email module (was: Re: mailman break DKIM signature by modifying body)

by Peter Münster

On Mon, Jun 05 2023, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Changes like those above are due to Python's stdlib email module. Could you point me to the code please, where the module is called? TIA, -- Peter

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: problem with Python's stdlib email module

by Peter Münster

On Mon, Jun 05 2023, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Basically, all over. Thanks. I would like to find out, which function is responsible for the modification of the body, before filling a bug report. Unfortunately I don't have any experience with Python, so any help is highly appreciated. My idea is to add "print(message)" at the places, that you mentioned. Where would I find the output then? TIA for any hints, -- Peter

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: problem with Python's stdlib email module

by Peter Münster

On Mon, Jun 05 2023, Mark Sapiro wrote: >>>> import email >>>> import smtplib >>>> from mailman.email.message import Message >>>> with open('path/to/message/file', 'rb') as fp: > ... msg = email.message_from_binary_file(fp, Message) Thanks, now it's very easily reproducible and I can send a bug report! -- Peter

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Where in database are subject prefix sequences stored?

by Thomas Ward

Oh snap, I was expecting it to be in its own psql sequence! Thanks Mark! Thomas On 6/20/23 22:05, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 6/20/23 6:21 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: >> I am using numeric prefixes for a list, such that it's >> `[ListName-000012]`. >> >> Where would that sequence indicator be stored in the database? > > > The post_id column in the mailinglist table entry. >

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Issues with @gmail.com addresses

by Peter Münster

On Tue, Sep 05 2023, Mark Sapiro wrote: > it has recently started enforcing a stricter policy Yes, indeed, very annoying. That's why Mailman is no more useable for me, because I don't want to change the "From:" header. Probably related: Even without any setting in "Alter Messages", messages with attachment from Gmail are altered, so that DKIM signatures are invalidated: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… If anybody wants to fix that, please contact me, I could offer a bounty. Just an idea: you could add to the message object a field like "orig-body", that keeps the unmodified body. -- Peter

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to let mailman log every single email that it sends out?

by Jens Günther

I actually also see them without special settings. Postfix should log all outgoing connections and whether the mail has been sent or not, obviously. Regards. Am 09.09.23 um 18:43 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > > If you want to see individual recipient emails in /var/log/mail.log, the > best way is to enable VERP in mailman. I.e., set > ``` > verp_delivery_interval: 1 > ``` > in the [mta] section of mailman.cfg. > Then you should see entries like: > > > in /var/log/mail.log for each recipient. >

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Is there a way of recording bounce messages?

by Andrew Hodgson

Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >On 9/21/23 07:06, Andrew Hodgson wrote: >> Hi. >> >> The messages recording the bounce don't include the original DSN. >This is https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/737 fixed in Mailman >3.3.5 Hmm. I'm on 3.3.8 and there was no attached bounce message in any of the reports. Thanks. Andrew.

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Strange password problem

by Eggert Ehmke

Am Samstag, 23. September 2023, 23:02:18 CEST schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 9/23/23 10:55, Eggert Ehmke via Mailman-users wrote: > > I also have a setting so that on each URL only the lists are visible that > > belong to that domain. Sadly I don't remember the setting, but that works. > > That's the Django `FILTER_VHOST = True` setting. That's right, I have that in my settings.py

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman issues after re-boot

by Nelson Strother

On 9/28/23 20:25, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > This is a packaging glitch with PyPI. At one point a couple of flufl.* > packages were named flufl_*. I forget exactly how to fix this, but try > in your venv > ``` > pip install -U --force-reinstall flufl.bounce flufl.i18n flufl.lock > ``` https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1085 and/or: https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-developers@python.org/thread/… may be relevant. Nelson

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: impossible to administrate *.com emails

by testeur

In fact, i had the modsecurity which blocked ".com" link. It is resolved. thx, On 09/10/2023 23:52, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/9/23 13:07, testeur via Mailman-users wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I don't understand why this problem ! >> In the web interface, i can't administrate email finishing with >> ".com" (ex : gmail.com, hotmail.com, etc) >> I obtain : >> >> >> "Forbidden >> >> You don't have permission to access this resource." > > What is is your web server error log? >

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: (Custom) Plugins: Proper file path(s) for adding a handler?

by Thomas Ward

Perfect, that should make things easier for me to install. Thank you kindly for all your support everyone! Thomas On 10/24/23 11:54, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/24/23 8:20 AM, Thomas Ward via Mailman-users wrote: >> >> This means I can install the code to anywhere on `sys.path` that the >> system can detect and it does not need to be in the Mailman3 >> library/directory space in the venv? > > Yes, as long as Mailman can import the class defined for the plugin in > mailman.cfg, it will work. >

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: disabled users

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > I don't think this is correct. Members with delivery disabled by > bounce will normally show 0 rather than None for bounce score. Too bad; eg, on this list more than half the members have 0 bounces, while (estimating from memory) about 1 in 10 have None, and about half of the Nones are disabled.

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Immediate notification to the administrator

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > This Mailman 3.2.2 cron/crontab.in.in file is is an artifact from > Mailman 2.1. Nothing there is relevant to any Mailman 3 version So there was no daily notification at all in Mailman 3.2.2? That kinda sucks for this user.

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman-web compress - Invalid template socialaccount/login_cancelled.html

by Jeremy Stanley

On 2023-11-07 19:46:01 -0800 (-0800), Mark Sapiro wrote: [...] > I don't think this is fatal, but I have reported it at > https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/issues/3513 We've been seeing the same thing in our deployment, I just hadn't found the time to look into it yet. Looks like upstream won't-fixed it, so I guess it was an intentionally backward-incompatible change and the template files will need some minor reworking? -- Jeremy Stanley

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Database problem after system upgrade

by Lars Bjørndal

[Odhiambo] [...] > That message is cryptic to me, but [2]@Mark Sapiro might know. > Could you please see if there are stale lock files in /opt/mailman3/var/locks/ > that could be preventing mailman3 from starting? > If there are two files there, delete them and try starting mailman3 again. > Beyond that possibility, I now remain clueless :) Deleting the lock files did the trick. Thanks. Lars

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3-web language preference and translation settings

by Nils

Thank you very much for your help, Mark. On 12/7/23 01:44, Mark Sapiro wrote: > The only thing I can think of is you may need to cd to the directory > containing django/ django_mailman3/ postorius/ and /hyperkitty before > doing the above. This may be something like > /usr/lib/python3.x/site-packages. > Yes, that did it! Previous command didn't work because of file permissions. So instead of sudoing the command as www-data, I just did "django-admin compilemessages" as root after changing to directory "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages". Kind regards Nils

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: The doubled entries issue

by Lars Bjørndal

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 08:58:05PM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/13/23 10:06, Lars Bjørndal wrote: [...] > > Will mailman notify when there's shunted messages? > > No. I run a daily cron that does `ls -lAR /opt/mailman/mm/var/queue/` which > lists the shunt queue and the others. Today, I find the following file in the shunt folder: `ls -l /opt/mailman3/mm/var/queue/shunt/` -rw-rw---- 1 mailman3 mailman3 25473 des. 21 11:11 1703153465.6663258+bfbef88d4b3433eb5978cb42852601faee9ab00c.pck.tmp What's this file? Should I take action or just remove it? Thanks, Lars

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: [ext] Re: Issues with a DMARC record leading to message being shunted

by Ralf Hildebrandt

* Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > For now, I reported this at > https://github.com/ValiMail/authentication-headers/issues/27 Thanks! -- Ralf Hildebrandt Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netz | Netzwerk-Administration Invalidenstraße 120/121 | D-10115 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 ralf.hildebrandt(a)charite.de https://www.charite.de

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: search this list searches more then just this list

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > I have tested and I can confirm that with two lists in the same > domain named `test` and `x-test` and with Whoosh as the backend > searching the `test` list returns hits from both lists, but with > Xapian as the backend, only hits from the `test` list are returned. Wow! Thanks, Mark! Steve

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hiding an ML from a site

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > Note, I have been without power at my house for almost 3 days now, > so I don't have access to all my usual resources. Yikes! Take care of yourself, we'll keep the Internet running. Steve

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: export/import list?

by Peter Adebahr

On 3/1/24 00:11, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/29/24 14:44, imark(a)posteo.net wrote: >> This appears to be practical for exporting/importing ALL the lists >> from one MM3 server to another MM3 server. >> >> Is there a similar straightforward way of exporting/importing just ONE >> list? > Why not export ALL list as indicated, then delete all unwanted lists on source resp. destination server ...

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty tracebacks: possible DB corruption?

by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au

>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> writes: Mark> On 3/12/24 11:12 PM, peter--- via Mailman-users wrote: Mark> Wrapping the last_view_obj, created = Mark> LastView.objects.get_or_create() in a try, except seems Mark> appropriate, but your code in the except clause assumes there Mark> will be exactly 2 objects returned. I was copying code from https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/models/threa… Peter C

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: SpamAssassin and clamav?

by Marisa Giancarla

Ok sounds good... Marisa On 3/15/24 18:40, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 3/15/24 17:52, Marisa Giancarla via Mailman-users wrote: >> Is there a way to have mm3 use SpamAssassin and/or clamav? >> Marisa > > It would require custom code modification to invoke SpamAssassin > and/or ClamAV from mailman. It is much better to integrate these in > the MTA. >

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 3.2.2 python3.8 problem on focal

by Thomas Stein

Thanks! Am 21. März 2024 01:19:36 MEZ schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: >On 3/20/24 10:24, Thomas Stein wrote: >> >> Answering my own post for now. >> >> Replacing time.clock() with time.process_time() in /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/uid.py seems to fix the current issue for me. Don't know what else I broke with it though. :) > > >Mailman 3.2.2 is not compatible with Python>=3.8. Unfortunately, at least one Debian/Ubuntu release included that combination. Your fix is the correct one, see https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/commit/ea05bdd0f74ba06d85adad1f7d190a6… >

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Sibling lists in Mailman3

by Markus Grandpré

Thank you. Am 27.03.24 um 17:26 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 3/27/24 08:05, Markus Grandpre wrote: >> >> after I migrated a list from Mailman21 to Mailman3 I missed the >> Mailman21 setting "regular_include_lists" (or something similar) in >> Mailman3. How are sibling lists treated in Mailman3? > > The sibling list features do not exist in Mailman 3. > -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Error -- postorius Un-handled exception

by admin＠bclug.ca

Mark Sapiro wrote: > What's in var/logs/mailman.log? Good question! > 2024-04-10 12:42:08 [FALCON] [ERROR] GET /3.1/lists/new_test.domain.tld/arch ivers => Traceback (most recent call last): > ... > ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman_hyperkitty' That has me confused, as the footer says > Powered by HyperKitty version 1.3.9.

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Error -- postorius Un-handled exception

by admin＠bclug.ca

Mark Sapiro wrote: > > ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman_hyperkitty' > > That has me confused, as the footer says > > Powered by HyperKitty version 1.3.9. > > mailman_hyperkitty is a separate package which is a shim between Mailman > core and HyperKitty. In your venv or wherever Mailman is installed, you need > pip install mailman_hyperkitty It should be already installed, as it shows in the footer? > (venv) mailman@mail:~$ pip install mailman_hyperkitty > Requirement already satisfied: mailman_hyperkitty in ./venv/lib/python3.10/site-pa ckages (1.2.1) > ... > (venv) mailman@mail:~$

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Welcome message template errors

by Mark

On 2024-04-24 03:58, Mark Sapiro wrote: > What do you get if you do > ``` > sudo -u mailman curl > https://lists.mydomain.com/mailman3/api/templates/list/mytestlist.lists.myd… > ``` > with the template set in Postorius? The welcome message is returned. root@hel:~# sudo -u mailman curl https://LISTS.MYDOMAIN.COM/mailman3/api/templates/list/MYTESTLIST.LISTS.MYD… Test Welcome message for new subscribers.root@hel:~#

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Welcome message template errors

by Mark

On 2024-04-24 14:18, Mark Sapiro wrote: > So all the runners are running as user mailman. That's good. What > exactly is the issue now. Is it retrievals timing out or an empty > welcome message? The issue is: A. With POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://<REDACTED-PUBLIC-IPv4-ADDRESS>', it sends an empty Welcome message when a new member is added. B. With POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://MYDOMAIN.COM', no Welcome message gets sent and a timeout error appears on the webpage, although the new member gets added.

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Welcome message template errors

by Mark

On 2024-05-01 03:12, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I have now reinstalled Mailman from scratch on the development server > in a Python 3.12.3 venv using the heads of the gitlab branches and > getting the current versions of all the dependencies and this > installation gets no error. So while I still have an older venv that > produces this error, I cannot duplicate the error in a new install. In the new installation, are the template.uri (in the mailman DB) records written as http://localhost:8000/... ?

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 doesn't send Mails to users (Debian12 with Plesk)

by admin＠bclug.ca

Mark Sapiro wrote on 2024-05-24 05:15: > Are you gating messages to/from usenet for this list? Is nntp common enough these days to be a useful default runner? I disabled it in mine when I noticed it, but it seems (IMHO) a waste of resources (yet another Python interpreter running) for a fairly edge case of mailing list <--> nntp transits. rb

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Automatic migration from Mailman 2.1 (Debian buster) to Mailman 3 (Debian bookworm)

by Ron / BCLUG

Mark Sapiro wrote on 2024-05-25 08:38: > The host name displayed in the web UI is based on the SITE_ID setting in > Django's settings. This is a system configuration not associated with > any lists. it references an entry in the django_sites table in the > database. Specifically, the `mailmanweb` DB, table `django_site`. In this case, I found the GUI to be easier: https://$your_domain/admin/sites/site/ rb

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: A few more MM3 questions

by Marc SCHAEFER

Hello, On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 09:23:07AM -0400, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I don't know the details of where the Debian package puts things, but there > may be Postfix related files in /var/lib/mailman3/data, but yes, all Yes, exactly. Mailman3 under Debian can generate Postfix aliasesdb (it requires a manual Postfix configuration though to reference those files: I think it was already in the example deployment script I posted a few days ago). Also, the start script of Mailman3 under Debian *seems* to systematically regenerate those files at Mailman startup, so it would probably not even be needed to restore this. Great new! Thank you.

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem with digests not being sent daily

by Mark

> On 6/22/24 17:51, Mark Sapiro wrote: > With digests enabled and > the threshhold set to 0, on each post a digest.mmdf will be created > and then immediately moved to digest.<vol>.<num>.mmdf and an entry > queued for digest runner to create the digest(s) from that file and > remove it, so within probably a few seconds > /opt/mailman/mm/var/lists/<LISTID>/ will be empty again. Digests are enabled and the threshold = 0. Is it possible to temporarily disable the digest runner so that I can see if a post is actually creating the digest.mmdf file (before the runner removes it)?

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Where to put static files referred to from list Info page?

by Greg Newby

On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 3:30 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 8/5/24 15:02, Greg Newby wrote: > > > > My question: Is there a place I can put these files within the Mailman > > directory hierarchy so they can be linked from the list Info page? > > You could put them in Mailman's static/ directory and reference them > with a /static/... URL. > > Confirmed - thanks! The 'static' location was just what I was looking for. ~ Greg

11 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Trying to understand the mailman.cfg from the virtualenv installation guide

by Danil Smirnov

Hi Mark, ср, 11 сент. 2024 г., 06:26 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > On 9/8/24 01:04, unite42--- via Mailman-users wrote: > > [mta] > > verp_confirmations: yes > > verp_personalized_deliveries: yes > > verp_delivery_interval: 1 > > > > What is the background of these recommendations? > > > These settings enable VERP for all list messages. This results in more > reliable bounce processing. > Is there any downsides of using it, so it's not enabled by default? TIA Danil >

10 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: makemigrations --merge error after Debian upgrade

by Chupin Maxime

Mark Sapiro wrote: > Did you run this as the Mailman user (list in the Debian packages)? Thank you, I tried, but the system asked me a Password for this user... I do not understand. ``` sudo -u list mailman-web makemigrations --merge Password: ```

10 months

[MM3-users] Re: makemigrations --merge error after Debian upgrade

by Marc SCHAEFER

On Tue, Oct 01, 2024 at 08:10:54PM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Look at the contents of the mailman-web script. My guess is it contains > `sudo -u list ...` Not exactly: (debian bookworm) su -s /bin/sh -c "python3 /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py $*" www-data if run from root, it should not require a password.

10 months

[MM3-users] Re: makemigrations --merge error after Debian upgrade

by Chupin Maxime

Mark Sapiro wrote: > What user ran the makemigrations --merge? ``` cat /usr/bin/mailman-web #!/bin/sh su -s /bin/sh -c "python3 /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py $*" www-data ``` > What does ls -la /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_q/migrations/ show? that all the files belong to `www-data`... but know I get the error for `/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/migrations`. So I change the owner and everything works know. I’ve done : ``` root@machine: mailman-web makemigration --merge ``` and then ``` root@machine: mailman-web migrate ``` and now, hyperkitty is working well!!! Thank you to all of you.

9 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Should I try to install mailman3 on Kubuntu 20.04?

by Bill Oliver

Thanks. I'll get started on it tomorrow. On Fri, 2024-10-04 at 17:50 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/4/24 15:59, Bill Oliver wrote: > > > > My bad. I meant 24.04 LTS. Have folk had good success with Ubuntu > > 24.04 and mailman3? > > > Yes, this works well using the virtualenv install procedure at > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html > > The people who have trouble are mostly those trying to install the > Debian/Ubuntu packages via apt. >

9 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: New installation, new issue: mailman3 migrate -- no module CommonMark

by Bill Oliver

On Sat, 2024-10-26 at 20:21 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > [snip] > What is your version of readme_renderer? I don't see readme_renderer > importing from CommonMark in any recent version. > > -- (venv) mailman@mail:~$ pip freeze | grep readme readme-renderer==17.4 billo

9 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to fix: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP)

by Jigme Datse

On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 20:07:00 -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 10/31/24 16:30, Jigme Datse wrote: > > > > Going to any of the list pages, gives the above Error. Well, not > > exactly the above error, Django is in square brackets. OK, that > > will work better for me with the how to fix. > > > What's in Django's logs? > Attached logs (I hope that works). A couple are currently empty?

9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius not HTML-decoding < to "<" characters

by Jeremy Stanley

On 2024-11-09 13:05:16 -0800 (-0800), Mark Sapiro wrote: [...] > Also, it depends on the archive rendering mode and only occurs if the mode > is Markdown text rather than Plain text. It is really `mistune`, > <https://mistune.lepture.com/en/latest/index.html>, which is doing the > markdown rendering and which `escapes` HTML tags. [...] On a related note, the MD rendering here seems to misinterpret sig separators as markup. Like this... -- Jeremy Stanley

8 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Template for Password Reset Email

by Mark

On 2024-11-18 16:23, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/17/24 21:27, Mark wrote: > You have done everything correctly. What is missing is the user's > browser is not putting `fr` first in the Accept-Language: HTTP header > in it's requests. > > Most browsers have a setting to control this. Gotcha. Wow! That was a suprise. Here I was thinking that there was no way the browser's setting would have any effect on the email. But now I see how it all works. Brilliant! Thank you once again Mark. Your patience and guidance are truly appreciated. Best, Mark

8 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: MM2.1 -> MM3.3 migration. To hold or not hold

by mark＠suburbia.org.au

Mark Sapiro wrote: > This says it was held for moderation. Is there an X-Mailman-Approved-At: > header which would say it was approved by a moderator? No "X-Mailman-Approved-At" in the header. All the X-Mailman headers in the mail sent to the list were included in my previous reply.

8 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty performance problem

by Tobias Diekershoff

On 22.11.24 17:54, Mark Sapiro wrote: > As Odhiambo says, there are no table conflicts between these databases > so they can be either the same database or separate databases as you > wish. Thank you both for clarification Odhiambo and Mark! -Tobias -- Tobias Diekershoff >>> System Hacker Free Software Foundation Europe Schönhauser Allee 6/7, 10119 Berlin, Germany | t +49-30-27595290 Registered at Amtsgericht Hamburg, VR 17030 | fsfe.org/support OpenPGP-Key ID ... 0x25FE376FF17694A1 Fingerprint ...... 23EE F484 FDF8 291C BA09 A406 25FE 376F F176 94A1

8 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Suggeested change to the venv installation instructions

by Bill Oliver

On Thu, 2024-11-28 at 17:46 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > There's already an MR in progress for this, although the approach > there > is different. See > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite-doc/-/merge_requests/160 > Cool. Thanks for the reply. billo

8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem with importing lists

by Alain D D Williams

On Sun, Dec 01, 2024 at 11:27:13AM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Are you running `mailman import21` as `root` and thus creating files in > Mailman's var/templates/lists/ directory that can't be read by `mailman`? Yes: fixed by a quick: chgrp -R list /var/lib/mailman3/templates/lists Yes: I do remember reading something about that but forgot. This will go in my notes. Thanks a lot for your help and patience! -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Subscription requires confirmation when list is set as Open

by Mark

On 2024-12-19 02:22, Joachim Schrod wrote: > Is there a > configuration option for a mailing list that sets "Pre Verified" to > true as a default? Hi, Editing the list_forms.py file will set the "Pre Verified" checkbox default to "checked" ... /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/postorius/forms/list_forms.py ... changing initial=False to initial=True - onLine 1267 pre_verified = forms.BooleanField( label=_('Pre Verified'), initial=True, ... And then restart of mailman3 and mailmanweb after editing. See Mark Sapiro's post at ... https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… Regards, Mark

7 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 breaking DKIM signatures

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > This should prevent folding headers, but this is problematic. It may be > that the incoming message contains a folded header and this change will > not fold it in the outgoing message. I think not, but I don't know for > sure. You'll have to test this. Mailman definitely can refold header fields differently from the original. This happens with Asian scripts all the time.

6 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Pck files stuck in out queue

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > It is definitely related. That (very uninformative) message is > logged once only after the out runner is started the first time > calls the decorate handler and the handler can't access a template. So this socket.error is an escape from template.py:TemplateLoader (most likely bubbling up from template.py:TemplateManager)? I'd like to catch this error and do something useful with it. Steve

5 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 on python3.13 debian testing package

by Thomas Krichel

Mark Sapiro writes > Because the messages are being shunted because of the above exception which > is a Python 3.13 issue https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1190 > fixed by https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1309. > > Once you fix that issue by either downgrading Python This is course of action I took via the virtual environment. > or installing the changes from > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1309 you can > reprocess those messages with `mailman unshunt` Smashing! I am trying that right now. Thank you so much! -- Written by Thomas Krichel http://openlib.org/home/krichel on his 21804th day.

5 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: settings.ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED is deprecated in allauth-65.5.0

by Andreas Vetter

On Montag, 17. März 2025 14:41:40 CET Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 3/17/25 6:11 PM, Andreas Vetter wrote: > > What would be the correct setting for the new > > ACCOUNT_SIGNUP_FIELDS > > See > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-web/-/blob/master/mailman_web/settings/ma > ilman.py?ref_type=heads#L31 I just added the line del ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED in my etc/mailman3/settings.py Since I disabled signup, this is enough for me. -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen, Andreas Vetter

4 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Can't post to my own list from HyperKitty

by MegaBrutal

Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> ezt írta (időpont: 2025. ápr. 7., H, 2:43): > On 4/6/25 17:30, MegaBrutal via Mailman-users wrote: > >> > > No, it doesn't say anything like that. It says if I'm not subscribed, > > sending the message would subscribe me – no address is shown there at > all. > > Compare your hyperkitty/templates/hyperkitty/fragments/send_as.html to > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/templates/hy… 100% match: fa83f9809576572bf6d40b9ce322bd8f6a939ec80f08186be0d184d62bc4a42e *./venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/templates/hyperkitty/fragments/send_as.html fa83f9809576572bf6d40b9ce322bd8f6a939ec80f08186be0d184d62bc4a42e */tmp/send_as.html

3 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Can't post to my own list from HyperKitty

by MegaBrutal

On Mon, Apr 7, 2025, 03:04 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > so it is saying there is only one choice for sender which I think means > there is only one address associated with your login. That still doesn't > explain why it thinks you're not a list member. > Indeed, it doesn't explain. Are there any maintenance scripts or DB queries you recommend to run to get to see what's happening under the hood? I've already tried ``mailman-web mailman_sync``, but it didn't do anything. >

3 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Unable to ban users via mailman-shell

by Mihai Moldovan

* On 4/13/25 17:19, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Do you have a setting for `banner` in the `[shell]` section of your > mailman.cfg? Whoops, yes, I do. Removed it, and the messages appear correctly, of course. It's a downstream packaging bug, the sample config they created only includes the first line: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mailman3/tree/debian/contrib/mailm… Thanks. Bug report time to Ubuntu it is. Mihai

3 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Setup Question: Disk-Layout (Migrating from Mailman 2.1)

by Mihai Moldovan

* On 4/17/25 19:38, Mark Sapiro wrote: > There is no Mailman command to do this, but a Python script is very > simple. Something like > ``` > [script] > ``` Great, that will definitely create it in the format expected by Python and hence mailman! Thank you very much. Mihai

3 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: configuring postfix local recipient table

by Alexander Inzinger-Zrock

Splitting up answer: Am 29.04.25 um 18:27 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > Also, is there anything in Mailman's logs from the time you ran `mailman > aliases`? Nothing in logs (before or) after command ''mailman aliases'' and debug level everywhere is: info. What logs? Everything under /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs: + bounce.log + debug.log + mailman.log + plugins.log + smtp.log All empty. lg aiz

3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Masking email addresses in the archives

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, May 26, 2025 at 5:31 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 5/26/25 9:47 AM, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > > I must have missed this if it was ever discussed, but is it possible to > > mask the list members' email addresses in the archives? > > > See https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/508 Thank you. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Caching problem with templates

by Mark

On Sat, 2025-06-28 at 20:56 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > A much simpler way to accomplish the same thing is to set > > cache_life: 1m > > in the [mailman] section of mailman.cfg. > Yes, I thought so too. I also tried 0d -- which wrote the expiry date the same as the created date (to the second). # /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg [mailman] cache_life: 0d But, just as with writing in a past date, it didn't solve the problem. I also spun up a brand new server to thrash it out there, but no joy there either.

1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Caching problem with templates

by Mark

On Sat, 2025-06-28 at 21:55 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1230 > > I intend to implement disabling the cache entirely by setting > cache_life > to any zero value, i.e. 0s, 0m, 0h, etc. > Setting the cache_life to a zero value only writes the expiry date as "now". The cached file is still there. And it doesn't appear to be getting overwritten (as expected) when the template is edited.

1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Disable Sign-up per domain

by Mark

On 2025-08-01 02:46, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> And here I had >> >> return super().is_open_for_signup(self, req) >> >> which should return the is_open_for_signup result from >> allauth.account.adapter.DefaultAccountAdapter but since that result is >> an unconditional True, what you have is OK too. > > > Actually, that too was wrong. It should have been > > return super().is_open_for_signup(req) > > but that is now moot as > > return True > > is fine. Ahhh. Thank you for letting me know that. I had used "return True" in an act of desperation. Is good to be shown how to do it right. :-)

1 day, 6 hours

[MM3-users] Re: Disable Sign-up per domain

by Mark

On 2025-08-01 19:40, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I.e., I'm trying to determine if there is some issue with the modified > ../user_adapter.py or if the issue does not involve the modification, > but rather just the setting of ACCOUNT_ADAPTER If I leave the modified "user_adapter.py" in place, and remove the ACCOUNT_ADAPTER string from the "settings.py" file all is well ie. the SignUp pages display as they should.

11 hours, 55 minutes

[MM3-users] Re: Pb with archive display

by Pierre Malard

Thanks Mark, Effectively we had a problem with the value of « api_key » which were in pseudo value. I fixed that with the value of « MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY ». Unfortunately we still don't have any archives... Here are the logs retrieved from the mailman.log logs: May 05 15:59:42 2022 (579075) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: {"error": "character with byte sequence 0xe2 0x80 0x99 in encoding \"UTF8\" has no equivalent in encoding \"LATIN1\"\n"} raise ValueError(result.text) ValueError: {"error": "character with byte sequence 0xe2 0x80 0x99 in encoding \"UTF8\" has no equivalent in encoding \"LATIN1\"\n"} And in mailman-web.log: WARNING 2022-05-05 13:58:52,996 579167 hyperkitty.views.mailman Could not archive the email with message-id '<C7E61653-D399-466A-BEC3-CE61D567E870(a)teledetection.fr>': character with byte sequence 0xe2 0x80 0x99 in encoding "UTF8" has no equivalent in encoding "LATIN1" Is it a way? I don't understand the message about LATIN1. It seems to me that UTF-8 was the encoding retained in Mailman. > Le 4 mai 2022 à 15:39, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> a écrit : > > On 5/4/22 05:45, Pierre Malard via Mailman-users wrote: >> On the other hand Mailman3 does not seem to take into account the display of the archives. The contributions are indeed in the directory "/var/lib/mailman3/archives/hyperkitty/spool" but HyperKitty does not take them into account when displayed on the Web interface. >> Is this normal? > > No. The messages are in /var/lib/mailman3/archives/hyperkitty/spool because delivery to HyperKitty failed. There should be messages in Mailman's var/logs/mailman about the failures. > > The setting for api_key in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg must match the setting for MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY in your Django settings. Also, the setting for base_url in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg must be good. If you append `/api` to that url, the result should return a page of documentation of HyperKitty's REST API. > > Also see this thread https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ -- Pierre Malard «Le courage, c'est de chercher la vérité et de la dire, c'est de ne pas subir la loi du mensonge triomphant qui passe et de ne pas faire écho de notre âme, de notre bouche et de nos mains aux applaudissements imbéciles et aux huées fanatiques.» Jean Jaures - "Discours de jeunesse" - 1903 ("`-/")_.-'"``-._ . . `; -._ )-;-,_`) (v_,)' _ )`-.\ ``-' _.- _..-_/ / ((.' ((,.-' ((,/ πr perl -e '$_=q#: 3|\ 5_,3-3,2_: 3/,`.'"'"'`'"'"' 5-. ;-;;,_: |,A- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'"'"'-'"'"': '"'"'-3'"'"'2(_/--'"'"' `-'"'"'\_): 24πr::#;y#:#\n#;s#(\D)(\d+)#$1x$2#ge;print' - --> Ce message n’engage que son auteur <-- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Sad news - Brian Carpenter

by Mark Dadgar

On May 12, 2021, at 12:45 PM, smorytko(a)gmail.com wrote: > https://www.tributearchive.com/obituaries/21066847/Brian-Keith-Carpenter/wa… > > I mentioned some "unfortunate circumstances" in a recent post. An inquiry from Mark Sapiro prompted me to do a search and I sadly found this. > > Brian's company managed our list and on 4/22 we became aware that he was hospitalized with Covid. > > Rest in peace Brian. That’s awful. Brian was a great help to me in setting up a solid MM3 installation after my mess of a self-install and he’s been a constant source of assistance on this list. RIP Brian. 😞 - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Upgrade path

by David Krantz

Hi. Getting back to this... Some log of what I'm doing. * First git fetch; git pull on all parts. Started new envs to simplify rollback etc. * activate the new 3.5 venv. ( I run the commands one at a time, but this is more compact in text form:) > cd git/mailman; python setup.py build; python setup.py install > cd ../mailman-hyperkitty; python setup.py build; python setup.py install > deactivate activate 2.7 venv, then > cd ../mailmanclient; python setup.py build; python setup.py install > cd ../django-mailman3; python setup.py build; python setup.py install > cd ../postorius; python setup.py build; python setup.py install > cd ../hyperkitty; python setup.py build; python setup.py install So far no errors. Just warnings. Backups: * deployment directory (as user with rw in directory) > tar -cvzf backup.tgz deployment_directory * postgres databases (as user with postgres-priv) > pg_dump maiman | gzip -9 > mailman.bak.gz > pg_dump mailmanweb | gzip -9 > mailmanweb.bak.gz Create new .wsgi-file based on mailman-suite (I used the kludge in the script to get the python path correct) Change apache2.conf to point to new venv and new wsgi-version Updated the mailman3wrapper.sh I use for init to start the service. I could not get hyperkitty interface to run so I deactivated it and set mailman as index instead. It complains that a column is missing, but I cannot get the migrate script to run so I decided that I do not need the archiver as I currently don't use it. So I will have to get back to this and either remove the archiver completely or get it to run. So the line with ^$ in urls.py now is url(r'^$', RedirectView.as_view(url=reverse_lazy('list_index'))), instead, and the line "hyperkitty," is commented in the django application list. cheers. // David On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 6:48 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 08/08/2017 04:42 AM, David Krantz wrote: >> >> What is the rekommended way to upgrade to the newest version? (newest >> _usable_ version, of course)? Is it docker-only with a migration from >> the current solution to a docker based? If so, any ideas or pointers >> on how to go about this? > > > You may find this wiki article helpful <https://wiki.list.org/x/17891998>. > > I started with bundler on both this (lists.mailman3.org) and the > mail.python.org installs, but have been updating from the heads of the > various gitlab branches since very early on. > > At the moment, these installations are somewhat ahead of the 3.1 > release, but I am not updating as the latest core has dropped Python 3.4 > support, and I haven't yet installed Python 3.5 or 3.6 on these (Ubuntu > 14.04) servers. (I will probably install 3.6 from source at some point.) > > Please feel free to ask here if you have more specific questions. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

7 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: "Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25"

by Manos Pitsidianakis

Thank you again for your reply, Mark. Στις 2019-09-18 21:53, Mark Sapiro έγραψε: > What are these entries? I have these log entries, are these what you were referring to? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/37d863f6/ > > The "Cannot connect to SMTP server" log message should not occur > immediately on startup unless there are queued messages. That log > message should only occur on an attempt to actually send a message. I think the problematic e-mails that cause this issue are stuck on the outgoing queue. Right now there are 2 pck files and one .bak in var/queue/out changing filenames repeatedly.

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mysterious Bounces Being Logged

by Brian Carpenter

On 3/26/21 2:59 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > They are being bounced by a downstream MTA. If you want to know why, you > have a few choices. You can mail the address yourself and hopefully get > a DSN back. You can install this patch: I would think any mail administrator for a mailman server would want to know why bounces are happening. I never saw this issue with Mailman 2. Did it exist? Is the patch going to make it to the next version of Mailman 3 core? Are there any plans to make bounce processing more transparent to server admins so we can troubleshoot delivery issues? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Language confusion in held mail notifications

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 9/22/21 2:16 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: > > After sending a mail to the list as the moderated list user, the > > resulting notification returned to the users email address is > > mostly in German, but the reason indicated is in Spanish "El > > mensaje proviene de un miembro moderado". > > > I am unable to duplicate this in Mailman 3.3.5rc1. Is it possible that one of the message catalogs is incomplete, and something in the environment (LANGUAGE seems like a likely candidate) is set to a value that uses German when Spanish is unavailable or vice-versa? Steve

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: LTMP to Postfix problem

by Brian Carpenter

On 6/18/20 5:16 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > When this happens is the LMTP runner still running or has it died?. Is > there anything relevant in mailman.log regarding lmtp runner? The log entry posted today was: Jun 18 15:07:32 2020 (29862) lmtp runner started. That was when I restarted Mailman core. If it happens again, I will see if the lmtp runner is running. My feeling is it died but I don't know for sure. -- Please let me know if you need further assistance. Thank you for your business. We appreciate our clients. Brian Carpenter EMWD.com -- EMWD's Knowledgebase: https://clientarea.emwd.com/index.php/knowledgebase EMWD's Community Forums http://discourse.emwd.com/

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Data too long for column 'data' in workflowstate

by Morris Jones

On 12/14/2020 10:22 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > This is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/793> fixed by > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/730> > > You may be able to apply the fix from the merge request, but that > depends on your install's latest Alembic Revision ID being 9735f5e5dbdb. > > Alternatively, I think it may be sufficient to just > > ALTER TABLE workflowstate MODIFY `data` VARCHAR(510); > Thanks! I've done that 'til the next update. Mojo -- Morris Jones, Monrovia, CA BridgeMojo <http://bridgemojo.com> Old Town Sidewalk Astronomers <http://otastro.org> Mojo's Blog <http://mojo.whiteoaks.com>

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman web Stopped working after upgrade

by David Krantz

But now that it is working the order of the mailing lists on the index page are in random order again. When it worked initially they seemed sorted by name. Whey I follow the link "see all lists" the order is correct, though. Annoying. BR // David On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 10:26 PM David Krantz <gazorg(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > I tried psycopg2-binary and a few other rehashes of that. Now I got it > working by downloading the source for psycopg2 manually and building > it myself, then I installed it into my venv like any other self-built > package. https://pypi.org/project/psycopg2/#files > > I run mod_wsgi in Apache so I thought it should be enough to restart > Apache. I am quite convinced that I did that (and for that matter > restart the machine at a few points). But I might have been sloppy and > reversed the order in the end when I got it running, this process is a > bit to manual. I will use another solution when I rebuild the server > one day. The problem with rebuilding the server is that I'd have to > install a MTA with all its modules, milters, setups and what not, and > mailman. To just reinstall on a fresh machine would be easy, the trick > is that I want to rebuild some things in a better way which will take > me some time. E.g. using a separate wsgi service and a more modern > spam filter than Spamassassin. Otherwise it is easy. But my situation > now is a bit short on time so if I can postpone that a bit I will. > > Thanks. > // David > > // David > > On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 10:02 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > > On 3/3/20 12:33 PM, David Krantz wrote: > > > > > > I think that this might be due to some kind of python misfeature where > > > compiled code behaves slightly differently to interpreted code, that > > > might explain the delay in it working initially before breaking. I > > > have no idea of how to solve this. I have tried to uninstall and > > > reinstlall psycopg2 in different versions without any luck. > > > > You need to activate your virtualenv and do > > > > pip install psycopg2-binary > > > > it must be psycopg2-binary, not just psycopg2. It's probably best to do > > > > pip uninstall psycopg2 > > > > first. > > > > As far as it working for a while, did you restart your wsgi service > > (gunicorn, uwsgi, ??) after upgrading? > > > > -- > > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Pck files stuck in out queue

by Lieuallen, Thomas Otis

I ended up emailing the list. That email got stuck as well. So, I removed their template – and the message went through. So, that appears to have been the problem. But, not sure why. Thank you Tom Lieuallen From: Lieuallen, Thomas Otis via Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Date: Thursday, February 6, 2025 at 3:25 PM To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Pck files stuck in out queue [This email originated from outside of OSU. Use caution with links and attachments.] Mark, There were no apparent permissions problems on templates. I was getting the ‘Cannot connect to SMTP server’ message in mailman.log. I did end up applying the patch to decorate.py and messages went through. I’ve since removed the patch, as I’m still looking for an answer and might as well let it queue up again. The only thing that is making me ponder at the moment is that the list owners setup a template for list:member:regular:footer in postorius. It appears that each list has a copy of that file. The modifications I see in postorius are not in their …/templates/list/<listname>/en/list:member:regular:footer.txt file. Are their modifications stored somewhere else and causing the problem? Thx Tom Lieuallen From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Date: Thursday, February 6, 2025 at 2:22 PM To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Pck files stuck in out queue [This email originated from outside of OSU. Use caution with links and attachments.] On 2/6/25 12:42, Lieuallen, Thomas Otis via Mailman-users wrote: > Running Mailman 3.3.10 > > I have 11x pck files stuck in my out queue. There tends to always be a .bak file as well. If I run ‘ls -l’, the files are continually updated and rotated through, just as fast as I can look. Are old ones being delivered and new ones added or the same ones just being renamed? I suspect the latter and I suspect the issue in that case is probably due to the OUT runner trying to access a template file like list:member:{regular|generic}:{header|footer}.txt and not having permission. See the last two posts in the thread at https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…><https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…> > I believe they’re all for one list. When I use ‘strings’ on one to get a hint of what’s inside, I see the list members at the bottom (recipients). One of them consistently has ‘!’ before their email address. Not sure if that’s a clue. Just no other reason to suspect that, though. The files are python pickles and `strings` shows lots of stuff. The ! may be something in the pickle that's not part of the email address. The way to examine these files is with the `mailman qfile` command. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…><https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/> Archived at: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…><https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> This message sent to lieualth(a)oregonstate.edu _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…<https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/> Archived at: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…<https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> This message sent to lieualth(a)oregonstate.edu

5 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users]Re: mailman 2 vs. mailman 3: what happened to multipart/digest?

by Barry Warsaw

On May 12, 2016, at 12:18 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >It is the intent that Postorius will eventually expose all these >settings. We're not there yet. At present you could possibly do this by >interacting with mailmanclient, although I'm not certain the settings are >exposed there. I'm not sure if they're exposed in mailmanclient, but they are exposed in the core's REST API, on the member resource. It's the `delivery_mode` attribute and it takes as legal values one of 'regular', 'plaintext_digests', 'mime_digests', and 'summary_digests' (IOW, the enum item names for the DeliveryMode enum). Cheers, -Barry

9 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Rejection Reason for refusing a subscription request

by Brian Carpenter

On 3/27/21 6:03 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > It's in Postorius since 1.3.3. If in the held message view, you click > the subject of a held message, you get a popup dialog the shows the > message with options to also show headers or the raw message. There is > also a dropdown t=o set the poster's moderation action and a box for a > reject reason if you click the reject button in the dialog. > > Do you not see this? I am referring to "Subscriptions pending approval". I apologize if I did not make that clear. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: lists.mailman3.org web site.

by Barry Warsaw

On Aug 30, 2016, at 10:13 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >I don't see much point in adding a large number as it would just create >clutter without much benefit, but other than not wanting to add OpenID/Yahoo >at least until we get DMARC mitigations, if anyone has a strong interest in >one of the others, I can add it. I think we have a good default list. GitHub and GitLab for the nerds, Facebook and Google for the humans. :) *Possibly* Bitbucket would be a good addition but I think we can use bug-driven development here. If enough people request an alternate, supported provider, we can add it then. Cheers, -Barry

8 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty base_url

by Thomas Stein

On Friday, 4 January 2019 21:27:41 CET Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 1/4/19 12:07 PM, Thomas Stein wrote: > > Hi all. > > > > Now I'm struggeling with configuring hyperkitty. It's not clear to me which base_url to set. Currently it's > > base_url: http://localhost:8001/hyperkitty/ but that leads to > > That's wrong. base_url is set to the URL used to access Hyperkitty > externally. It is used for things like the Archived-At: and > List-Archive: headers in distributed posts. For example, for this > installation it is It's working with base_url: http://localhost:8000/hyperkitty/. Is that ok? thanks and cheers t. > base_url: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives > >

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: export/import list?

by Mark

On 2024-03-01 10:56, Peter Adebahr via Mailman-users wrote: > On 3/1/24 00:11, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> On 2/29/24 14:44, imark(a)posteo.net wrote: >>> This appears to be practical for exporting/importing ALL the lists >>> from one MM3 server to another MM3 server. >>> >>> Is there a similar straightforward way of exporting/importing just >>> ONE list? >> > > Why not export ALL list as indicated, then delete all unwanted lists > on source resp. destination server ... > > That's definitely Plan B. And thank you Mark for the pointer to the Gitlab thread. Greater minds have clearly been giving this some thought for a while. Cheers.

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Heads up: settings.ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD is deprecated

by Andreas Vetter

On Freitag, 7. Februar 2025 18:40:32 CET Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/7/25 03:19, Andreas Vetter wrote: > > Changing ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD to ACCOUNT_LOGIN_METHODS in > > /etc/mailman3/settings.py is not enough. One has to edit > > venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman_web/settings/mailman.py > > You can do this in /etc/mailman3/settings.py only without editing > venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman_web/settings/mailman.py by adding > ``` > del ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD > ACCOUNT_LOGIN_METHODS = {'email', 'username'} That is unfortunately not enough to get rid of the Warning, because venv/lib/ python3.11/site-packages/mailman_web/settings/mailman.py contains the old ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD and allauth is complains about it. -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen, Andreas Vetter

5 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Auth question

by David Krantz

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 1:09 AM, David Krantz <david(a)krantz.dk> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:01 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > Very good! Thank you very much, I got a bit further. > > The database contained a couple of test lists that I can recreate, so > nothing of value. The strange thing was that drop database followed by > create database did not yield an empty database in Postgres. I > probably forgot a commit somewhere. > Never mind, now I got it to work. Some kind of intermittent server error (500) left but I guess that's solvable too. Thanks for all your help on this list! cheers // David

8 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: FYI: Django security releases issued: 4.0.6 and 3.2.14

by David Newman

On 7/7/22 10:25 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I just upgraded from Django 3.2.11 to 3.2.14 on mail.python.org and > lists.mailman3.org. How to upgrade mailman-web to align with Django? I upgraded from Django 3.0.14 to 3.1.14 and then 3.2.14 using these docs: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.0/howto/upgrade-version/ But then this upgrade command returned a complaint that mailman-web 0.0.5 requires Django<3.1: pip install -U mailman postorius django-mailman3 hyperkitty mailman-web uwsgi and it downgraded Django back to 3.0.14. I did not see anything about this in the Django for Mailman Admins doc, but I may have missed something. https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/django-primer.html Thanks. dn

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: A little stuck with installation of MM3 - ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'flufl.lock'

by Odhiambo Washington

On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 at 06:50, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 7/27/20 4:29 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 02:49, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> > >> Is there an empty /opt/mailman/mm/__init__.py file? > >> > > > > No. > > > There has to be one. Create it and then Django will be able to import > your settings. > > See the first line after > > Create directories: > ... > and files: > > at > <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience#line-69 > > > I don't know why I didn't see that initially :-) > > Yes. However, that also means the /opt/mailman should be owned by > mailman3, > > right? So I wasn't quite mistaken. > > > It doesn't matter what user actually `owns` this directory and its > subordinates as long as the Mailman user, mailman3 in your case, can > read and write there. Of course, making everything owned by the Mailman > user is the easiest way to ensure this. > True. > > Note also that any commands in /opt/mailman/mm/bin need to be run as the > Mailman user and not root. Running them as root can create things owned > by root the can't be read by the Mailman user. > So, now I remember why I had to chown -R mailman3 /opt/mailman Then now it seems like I have been doing things incorrectly, because I have been doing a lot of operations as root by simply: cd /opt/mailman/mm virtualenv venv source venv/bin/activate Looks like the correct way is to start with su - mailman3 > > PS: There is the issue with qcluster, which doesn't seem to have been > > documented in details from your "experience". > > I see the configuration file and the init script, but not how to install > > it, or whether the procedure already installed it. > > > qcluster is part of Django. If you have this > > # > # Asynchronous tasks > # > Q_CLUSTER = { > 'timeout': 300, > 'save_limit': 100, > 'orm': 'default', > } > > or similar uncommented in your Django settings, and also 'django_q' in > your INSTALLED_APPS, it's there and all you need to do is run > > /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin qcluster > > to run it, but it should be run as a service via init or ?? > I have run it from supervisord. It has forked 30 processes and refuses to kill them when I stop supervisord. I will look for options around it. Answering my own question I asked earlier, I have found "django-admin help --commands" to answer it. PS: Did you by any chance find time to look into the issue about wsgi.py that you had mentioned - the one that has me stuck using it?? Thanks again. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-)

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: Enable delivery

by Hirayama, Pat

No, I was obfuscating the addresses of the user and listname. And it was the trailing dot/period that was the problem. Sorry about that -- copy/pasting from the emailed report rather than typing the address myself. Now that I have the commands and order, I will look closer at some of those lists when additional reports come in. Thank you! -p > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2024 1:41 PM > To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Enable delivery > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click > links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the > content is safe. > > > On 12/10/24 10:43, Hirayama, Pat wrote: > > Apologies, I should've said my "Mailman 3" server, not listserv. > > > > MTA logs do not show messages being sent to the member(s) in question, > even though other members are being sent messages. Nothing out of the > mailman server, and nothing received by our outbound Postfix MTAs. > > > > As for the CLI commands, I keep getting Attribute Error when I try them, like: > > > > /opt/mailman # mailman shell -l listname(a)mailman.tld > > Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell > > Use commit() to commit changes. > > Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. > > Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. > > The variable 'm' is the listname(a)mailman.tld mailing list > >>>> from mailman.core.constants import system_preferences > >>>> mbr = m.members.get_member('user(a)domain.com.') > >>>> print(mbr.delivery_status) > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "<console>", line 1, in <module> > > AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'delivery_status' > > > Are you literally typing > > mbr = m.members.get_member('user(a)domain.com.') > > That needs to be an actual list member's email without a trailing > period. The fact that mbr is None means whatever you provided is not a > member of the listname(a)mailman.tld list. > > Curious that the member(s) in question are not amongst the recipients > delivered to the MTA even though > > >> when I run: > >> > >> mailman members --nomail any listname@listserv > >> > >> Nothing is returned. > > This should only happen if the members are digest members (are they) or > are directly addressed in To: or Cc: of the post. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mail > man- > users.mailman3.org/__;!!GuAItXPztq0!kBv3nt9E96ao_7FvkLnOsm_R9OWol1 > U4Lk0bnfCxTPiRuYdCv4jHRpx11tT3vx2cyFNW8ByfZlsvtwg$ > Archived at: > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailma > n- > users(a)mailman3.org/message/ET7NTZVDLCY6RBXHUIYRVTYQQX6SQ3KI/__; > !!GuAItXPztq0!kBv3nt9E96ao_7FvkLnOsm_R9OWol1U4Lk0bnfCxTPiRuYdCv4 > jHRpx11tT3vx2cyFNW8ByfwPhcXNc$ > > This message sent to phirayam(a)fredhutch.org

7 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Cross-List and Domain based sender whitelisting ( accept_these_nonmembers )

by Johannes Rohr

Am 10.01.23 um 00:53 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > I recognize it's a significant regression for some, but we are a > small, all volunteer project and can't do everything. A well crafted > merge request would certainly be accepted. You are doing incredibly valuable work, and I sincerely apologize for being a total layman who just whines and doesn't have the skills to contribute any code! I could only explore options for organising a bounty on this. But I have no idea what amount of funding would be required realistically, or I could start nagging other Mailman users who have python skills. Cheers, Johannes

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Subscription request cannot be moderated: 404 Not Found

by Eric Broens

Hi Mark, Unfortunately the provided options didn't work out either: Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. The variable 'm' is the ************* mailing list >>> ISubscriptionManager(m).confirm('4d6b4b11266c7332684c5a492eb3f92c531f761b') Traceback (most recent call last): File "<console>", line 1, in <module> File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 578, in confirm workflow.restore() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 142, in restore raise LookupError(self.token) LookupError: 4d6b4b11266c7332684c5a492eb3f92c531f761b I noticed that the mail address was also listed as a non-member. After deleting it there, I could not accept the subscription either. Next, I have rejected the subscription and added it using the mass subscription option in the WebUI. I'll monitor if such cases will happen again. Thanks,Eric On Saturday, January 16, 2021, 06:05:19 PM GMT+1, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: On 1/16/21 7:49 AM, Eric Broens via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi Mark, > I can't find any log entry which indicate a problem with this subscription request. > The _request table does not contain a request for the specific mailinglist, but I am not sure if subscription requests are included in this table. It is unclear and confusing, but the requests are not in the _request table. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/768#note_415536043>. So this is normal. > The token is found in the pended table: > > +-----+------------------------------------------+---------------------+ > | id | token | expiration_date | > +-----+------------------------------------------+---------------------+ > | 115 | 4d6b4b11266c7332684c5a492eb3f92c531f761b | 2031-01-04 16:17:38 | > +-----+------------------------------------------+---------------------+ > > These are the relevant entries in the pendedkeyvalue table: > +------+--------------+-------------------------------------+-----------+ > | id | key | value | pended_id | > +------+--------------+-------------------------------------+-----------+ > | 1130 | type | subscription | 115 | > | 1131 | list_id | "********************" | 115 | > | 1132 | email | "***********************@*********" | 115 | > | 1133 | display_name | "" | 115 | > | 1134 | when | "2021-01-06T16:17:38" | 115 | > | 1135 | token_owner | "moderator" | 115 | > +------+--------------+-------------------------------------+-----------+ > > Can I workaround this problem for this specific subscriber by adding entries in the _request table, and if so what do I need to add? Adding to the _request table won't help. Try confirming by emailing listname-confirm+4d6b4b11266c7332684c5a492eb3f92c531f761b(a)list.domain You could also try confirming via mailman shell mailman shell -l list.example.com Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. The variable 'm' is the list.example.com mailing list >>> ISubscriptionManager(m).confirm('4d6b4b11266c7332684c5a492eb3f92c531f761b') Traceback (most recent call last): File "<console>", line 1, in <module> File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman-3.3.3b1-py3.7.egg/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 570, in confirm raise LookupError LookupError In my case, I get the LookupError because the token doesn't exist, but I think it should work for you. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

4 years, 6 months

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