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[MM3-users] Re: deleting a list of spammers from non-member list

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/2/25 11:41, Philip Bondi via Mailman-users wrote: > Hello to all: > > I've studied the following: > > https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/d… > > ```bash > mailman shell -l mmlist.domain.ca << EOF | tr , '\012' > nonmember.txt > list(m.nonmembers.members) > EOF > ``` > > I was able to produce a clean list of 50 non-member email addresses that are spammers. > > How would I take this list of non-members and delete them? I was unable to use mailman delmembers Assuming you want to delete all the nonmembers, just do it all in mailman shell. Using the above ```bash mailman shell -l mmlist.domain.ca << EOF for member in m.nonmembers.members: member.unsubscribe() EOF ``` If your 50 addresses are not all the nonmembers and you only want to delete those 50, the bash script could be ```bash mailman shell -l mmlist.domain.ca << EOF for addr in open('nonmember.txt').readlines() member = m.nonmembers.get_member(addr.strip()) member.unsubscribe() EOF ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Pre-approved howto

by Thor Atle Rustad

2018-07-09 10:49 GMT+02:00 Thor Atle Rustad <thor.rustad(a)gmail.com>: > >> >> > $ mailman shell -l junk(a)msapiro.net >> > Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell >> > The variable 'm' is the junk(a)msapiro.net mailing list >> >>>> m.moderator_password >> >>>> from mailman.config import config >> >>>> m.moderator_password = config.password_context.encryp >> t('xxx123').encode('us-ascii') >> >>>> m.moderator_password >> > b'$6$rounds=656000$SKMqTlPybIZSBjYB$wCga5qALCv8oobp4cDql2iKE >> g8T6qIgk8XEKYbkk9QXENeFQDHZ1M4AtmqfureYQDB5g.Az.nZPrWAr9N9g1N0' >> >>>> commit() >> > > Thank you, this worked permanently. Now, how can I loop through all 700 > lists and change the list password on all of them? > > Thor > I think I can answer this myself. I found inspiration here: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… and was able to do the following to change the moderator password on all lists: '>>> from zope.component import getUtility '>>> from mailman.interfaces.listmanager import IListManager '>>> listmanager = getUtility(IListManager) '>>> for mlist in listmanager.mailing_lists: '... mlist.moderator_password = config.password_context.encrypt('secret_pa$$word').encode('us-ascii') '... commit() '... print(mlist.list_name) Seems to work :-)

8 years

[MM3-users] Re: outgoing.py mailman@example.com issue

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/8/21 11:10 AM, dancab(a)caltech.edu wrote: > > We do have mailman(a)caltech.edu configured with valid members/owners. > We're using Postfix for the MTA. Is it possible there's a misconfiguration there? > > We've been testing the system with a handful of lists for months. The bounce you saw From: Mailman mailman(a)example.com To: Mailman Bounces mailman-bounces(a)example.com Subject: SMTP Delivery Failure may have sent because you have VERP probes enabled (verp_probes: yes in the mta section of mailman.cfg) and a user on some list reached the bounce score threshold and a Mailman attempted to send a probe and the MTA refused the message, or it may have been sent because Mailman attempted to send a message to the user and the MTA refused it. In either case, the bounce message (fake DSN) should have contained a message body like Mail to user(a)example.com failed at outgoing SMTP with the actual user's address. These fake DSNs are sent in the case where the outgoing MTA refuses a message from Mailman so there is no actual failure DSN. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: EMWD Mailing Lists Down

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/15/22 5:49 PM, Sherry Xie wrote: > Hi all, > > I am an EMWD Mailman 3 customer, and I recently realized my mailing lists > are no longer working (the last email that went through was sent on > December 25, 2021). Emails I send to the lists do not show up in archives > or reach subscribers. It seems like others have had this issue before > since ownership of the company was transferred following Brian Carpenter's > passing – has anyone been able to get in touch with support or get their > issues resolved? > > I've submitted a support ticket but have no idea if this is being > monitored. I also have no way to contact the current management team, as > only their names were announced in the November 5, 2021 email from Barbara > Carpenter. Any help would be greatly appreciated – thanks in advance! There is a recent thread on this started at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/thread/N7NJL… and continued at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… You might find something helpful there. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: E-mail every minute: "Cron <www-data@sharky5> ..."

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 8:43 PM Robert Heller <heller(a)deepsoft.com> wrote: > At Sun, 7 Jul 2024 19:48:02 +0300 Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 7:16Ã¢Â€Â¯PM Robert Heller <heller(a)deepsoft.com> > wrote: > > > > > At Sun, 7 Jul 2024 18:52:05 +0300 Odhiambo Washington < > odhiambo(a)gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 4:12ÃƒÂƒÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÂ‚Ã¢Â‚Â¬ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â¯PM Robert > Heller <heller(a)deepsoft.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > What am I missing? I *think* I have mailman3 *mostly* setup, but > there > > > > > are > > > > > still some configuration things that are missing, but I am not sure > > > how to > > > > > fix > > > > > them (the docs are NOT clear). > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which docs are you relying on? > > > > > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html > > > > > > I presume these are the official docs for mailman3 -- maybe they > aren't? > > > > > > > > > > > How about this - > > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html > > > > ?? > > > > > > I'm not using a virtual environment. I'm using all native Debian 12 > > > packages, > > > installed via apt. The virtual environment docs are actually even worse > > > (even more confusing). > > > > > > Worse? :-) > > Even more confusing. Both sets of docs make various assumptions and don't > really explain things properly. Like everywhere where "settings.py" is > mentioned, it really means "/etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py" > > In any case, the virtual environment docs are hard to relate to a "native" > install and are generally hard to follow, since they seem to jump all over > the > place. (Spaghetti docs?) And it is hard to replace the various (and not > always consistent) virtual environment paths and settings files to the > "native" > paths. > > The "official" docs are just not useful to me, since I am not using a > virtual > environment. If a virtual environment is recomended, what is the point of > the > Debian 12 packages? Are they just not meant to be used? Really? Do you mean > that I should use a separate package management system for Mailman3? That > really sucks. > > > > > > > > Maybe I'm too smart and experienced? > > > > > > > You're clearly overestimating your smartness :-) > > Maybe. I am NOT an experienced Python programmer -- it is one of my > *least* > favorite programming languages. > No programming is required to install MM3. Just competence as a Sysadmin, IMHO. At this point I am considering scrapping Mailman and either giving up on > have > mailling lists on my new server or using some other mailing list software, > If you follow the documentation about the Python virtual environment to the letter, you can have MM3 running in not more than 1 hour. And don't give up! I do understand how frustrating it can be. I have walked that route before and I can easily feel you. If you need my personal help, talk to me offlist and I will be able to walk you through the process. I could install MM3 for you, but you'll be administering your system so you need to understand what is going on, right? I actually can install it for you for FREE, but I will not help you with administering it for free :-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 without Hyperkitty in docker

by Danil Smirnov

Hi Mark, Actually all this stuff happens inside the container after it's started and initialized without errors. I didn't amend the image anyhow. Also I have the configuration based on docker-compose.yaml provided in the repository which works just fine for mailman-web image. The very same config with postorius image (+ UWSGI_STATIC_MAP param) fails with 500 error... Now answering your questions: ср, 27 февр. 2019 г., 22:56 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > do you have django-q in INSTALLED_APPS in your Django settings and what > is set for Q_CLUSTER? > I've checked settings.py inside the container and I haven't found any of the mentioned configurations there. Does the manage.py that's being run here point to the right settings.py? > No clue. Also I wonder why we have some Hyperkitty-related cronjobs in non-HK configured image? https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/blob/master/postorius/mailman-web… Danil > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

7 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Welcome Message

by brian＠emwd.com

Abhilash Raj wrote: > If the URL for template is wrong, or Postorius is down for whatever reason, > the subscription will fail with the error that you saw before. Explain URL for template. You mean "POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL"? That is not wrong. I am confident of that. It is back to "http://mailman-web:8000". I can successfully ping mailman-web:8000 from bash. > > I logged out of Postorious and subscribed using the > > subscribe form on > > the info page and the change to the welcome template showed up. So it > > looks like being logged in as admin while trying to subscribe someone > > was what was causing the problem. Is that a bug I discovered? > I suspect stopping-restarting and re-creating the template (idk, if you > really did that) might have something to do with it. I am not sure if this > is a bug unless you can reliably reproduce this. This error is absolutely reproducible. It even impacts other list admins who are trying to use a custom welcome message and subscribing a member while logged into Postorious. Everything else is working fine on this server and I followed your directions precisely when I set this server up. Please help. Thanks, Brian

7 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: OS upgrade - anything to take care of?

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/13/21 1:58 PM, Ruth Ivimey-Cook wrote: > > Sadly they aren't - they link to python3.6 or whatever... and even if > not, the /lib/ naming gets you as well. > > And even if that can be worked around (eg by renaming the mailman > /lib/python3.6 folder to /lib/python3.8), the python .pyc files are > /also/ versioned, so you then have to find & delete them all to force > the new interpreter to rebuild them or python falls down in a heap. Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems to me that if /usr/lib/python3.6 and /user/bin/python3.6 are gone, just creating symlinks from /usr/lib/python3.6 and /user/bin/python3.6 to the corresponding python3.8 directories would work. The .pyc files in __pycache__ should not be an issue. They are versioned and placed in a __pycache__ directory specifically so multiple python versions can coexist. See <https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3147/>. Python3.8 will just make new ones. If there is some issue with this, one can always do ``` find /path/to/venv -name '*.pyc' -delete ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/22/22 13:07, Onyeibo Oku wrote: > On Sat Oct 22, 2022 at 7:44 PM WAT, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> The specific error you reported refers tp >> /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/zope.i18nmessageid-5.0.1-py3.10.egg-info/PKG-INFO >> >> what does >> ``` >> ls -l >> /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/zope.i18nmessageid-5.0.1-py3.10.egg-info/PKG-INFO >> ``` >> show? >> > > See below: > > command: > ls -lh /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/zope.i18nmessageid-5.0.1-py3.10.egg-info/PKG-INFO > > output: > -rw-r--r--. 1 mailman mailman 7.8K Oct 19 18:31 /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/zope.i18nmessageid-5.0.1-py3.10.egg-info/PKG-INFO This is actually strange. What does `pip --version` in your venv show? Did you do anything to install mailman and other packages in your venv other than `pip install`. I ask because I don't think there should be *egg-info directories in /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/ at all. In particular, in addition to the actual code directories, I only see files and directories with names ending in nspkg.pth and dist-info. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] My list has been switched from public to private archives, but they are still visible

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Paul Arenson writes: > I set my list to private archives today. Up until then, it was > pubic. And yet, if you go to the list page, you will see that if > you click archives (top left), you can see them. (Filled with a > bunch of tests posts for now) Yes, I can see it, and the posts. I think there was a bug that you can see that private lists are present even if you are not a subscriber. However the posts themselves were private. This is not that bug, it's something else. > Am I misunderstanding what a private archive is? No (except for the bug mentioned above, which probably will be fixed -- the logic is nontrivial, since admins need access to the list of lists, but maybe not private lists they're not owners of, even if they're not subscribers). > Is something wrong with my setup (which is hosted)? Don't know yet. Some configuration changes require a server restart. I don't know offhand if this is one. It's worth a try if you can do that.

6 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Monthly mailman-web job using a lot of memory

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/2/22 12:04 PM, Andy Smith wrote: > > For ~6k messages it still took approx 16 hours to run that monthly > job, and during that time spewed out thousands of these errors: > > Failed to remove document 'hyperkitty.email.29351' from Whoosh: > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/haystack/backends/whoosh_backend.py", line 309, in remove > self.index.delete_by_query(q=self.parser.parse('%s:"%s"' % (ID, whoosh_id))) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/whoosh/index.py", line 365, in delete_by_query > w = self.writer() > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/whoosh/index.py", line 464, in writer > return SegmentWriter(self, **kwargs) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/whoosh/writing.py", line 515, in __init__ > raise LockError > whoosh.index.LockError > > …so I'm not even sure if it worked. I think the warnings come from the hourly update_index job which can't obtain a lock on the index because the update_and_clean_index job already has it locked. Once the update_and_clean_index job finishes the update_index job should run and do the right thing. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Again, after systemupgrade the log file in /var/log/mailman was owned by list:list instead of mailman:mailman and starting failed for this reason [support request]

by Wikinaut

This is in /opt/mailman/web/logs# dir total 3164 276 -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 274457 Dec 24 09:05 mailmanweb.log 2056 -rw-r----- 1 mailman mailman 2100388 Dec 24 09:05 uwsgi-error.log 832 -rw-r----- 1 mailman mailman 846536 Dec 24 09:10 uwsgi.log Looks okay. This is my /etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service: Unit] Description=GNU Mailing List Manager After=syslog.target network.target mysql.service [Service] Type=forking User=mailman Group=mailman PIDFile=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/master.pid ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start --force ExecReload=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman restart --force ExecStop=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman stop [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target This mailman3web.service: [Unit] Description=GNU Mailman Web UI After=syslog.target network.target mysql.service mailman3.service [Service] Environment="PYTHONPATH=/etc/mailman3/" User=mailman Group=mailman ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/uwsgi --ini /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini KillSignal=SIGINT [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target I do use the venv method, but the other issue may be a relict from former setup, as I said, and difficult to find. It so very strange, that the log-permisison issue stems from → systemctl start mailman3.

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Sendgrid experiences (now Office 365)

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Stephen Daniel writes: > Currently I am running a small web site and a modest mailman3 > implementation in Google's cloud for less than $25/month, including > the cost of the Google Workspace account that lets me use their > SMTP relay. > Any suggestions on more reliable ways of implementing mailman3 > that do not dramatically expand the budget are most welcome. More reliable I can't speak to yet, it's only been about 2 months, but I'm running Mailman, webserver, Cyrus imapd, and the MTA system (including spamfiltering, DKIM and ARC signing, etc) on a Linode, with just the addresses that Linode provides. So far, very easy. I got banned by IP from the get-go by O365, which automatically unbanned me in a very simple procedure (seriously, I expected MSFT to be a *much* bigger PITA). Then I had to disable outgoing SMTP over IPv6 because Spamhaus. (Long story short: they refuse to talk to you about your IPv6 addresses unless you own at least a /64 network.) Less than $15/month but very low traffic, both mail and web. -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

10 months

[MM3-users] Re: So, why are css & js files only served with "DEBUG = yes" ?

by Odin Hørthe Omdal

> js and css files are static and should be served by your web server of choice. Actually, Python is able to do this very nicely and quickly these days. I've started using WhiteNoise (added as a django staticfiles provider) which does all the right things for you directly (uses sendfile, sets cache headers, does compression correct, all real work done at initialization time, if you best speed just add CDN, etc etc). It might be something to make MM3 setup a bit nicer and quicker (note, I still haven't migrated to MM3 so don't know much about it); http://whitenoise.evans.io/ A point against it is an extra dependency ofc. Odin 2017-05-07 15:12 GMT+01:00 Simon HANNA <simon.hanna(a)serve-me.info>: > js and css files are static and should be served by your web server of > choice. In a development environment you usually don't have a web server > running, so django serves the files itself. > > Your webserver can serve these static files much faster than django can, > so django doesn't serve them in production by default. You can find > instructions on how to do so online (Google is your friend) but since > that's not incouraged there is no point in including these in the repos. > > Simon > > Am 7. Mai 2017 16:06:17 MESZ schrieb Simon Liebold via Mailman-users < > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org>: > >Hello List, > > > >I did see this discussed in #180 > ><https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/180>, but I didn't quite > >understand if this is an issue or not. > > > >Why is it that I can run the development server just fine. > > > > [07/May/2017 13:23:47] "GET > > /static/postorius/libs/bootstrap/css/bootstrap.min.css HTTP/1.1" 304 0 > > [07/May/2017 13:23:47] "GET /static/postorius/css/style.css > > HTTP/1.1" 304 0 > > [07/May/2017 13:23:47] "GET > > /static/postorius/libs/bootstrap/js/bootstrap.min.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 > > [07/May/2017 13:23:47] "GET /static/django-mailman3/js/main.js > > HTTP/1.1" 304 0 > > [07/May/2017 13:23:47] "GET > > /static/postorius/libs/jquery/jquery-1.11.3.min.js HTTP/1.1" 304 0 > > [07/May/2017 13:23:47] "GET /static/django-mailman3/css/main.css > > HTTP/1.1" 304 0 > > [07/May/2017 13:23:47] "GET /static/postorius/js/script.js HTTP/1.1" > > 304 0 > > [07/May/2017 13:23:47] "GET > > /static/postorius/img/mailman_logo_small_trans.png HTTP/1.1" 304 0 > > > >And as soon as I comment out > > > > # SECURITY WARNING: don't run with debug turned on in production! > > # DEBUG = True > > > >in mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/settings.py and restart it 404s > >on me. > > > > [07/May/2017 13:41:36] "GET > >/static/postorius/libs/bootstrap/css/bootstrap.min.css HTTP/1.1" 404 > >127 > > [07/May/2017 13:41:36] "GET /static/django-mailman3/css/main.css > > HTTP/1.1" 404 109 > > [07/May/2017 13:41:36] "GET /static/postorius/css/style.css > > HTTP/1.1" 404 104 > > [07/May/2017 13:41:36] "GET /static/django-mailman3/js/main.js > > HTTP/1.1" 404 107 > > [07/May/2017 13:41:36] "GET > > /static/postorius/libs/bootstrap/js/bootstrap.min.js HTTP/1.1" 404 125 > > [07/May/2017 13:41:36] "GET > > /static/postorius/libs/jquery/jquery-1.11.3.min.js HTTP/1.1" 404 123 > > [07/May/2017 13:41:36] "GET /static/postorius/js/script.js HTTP/1.1" > > 404 103 > > [07/May/2017 13:41:36] "GET > > /static/postorius/img/mailman_logo_small_trans.png HTTP/1.1" 404 123 > > > > > >So the choice is insecure vs. ugly? Neither of those sounds very > >tempting. > > > >I guess, I am missing something, or no? > > > >Simon > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Mailman-users mailing list > >mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > >https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Beste helsing, Odin Hørthe Omdal <odin.omdal(a)gmail.com> English, technical: http://tech.velmont.net Norsk, personleg: http://velmont.no

9 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Owner's or Moderator's Lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/31/20 11:09 AM, Johnny Cison wrote: > > It's 1.1.2, which is the python3-django-postorius version included with the > package manager on Ubuntu 18.04. > > Is there by chance a mechanism for viewing that information in 1.1.2? You have several choices. 1) Do nothing and wait for Debian/Ubuntu to upgrade the package and backport it. 2) Try upgrading Postorius from source or with pip. This will probably result in disaster, and even if it doesn't, will probably also require upgrading django-mailman3, mailmanclient and mailman core to support new features in Postorius. 3) See the merge requests at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/349>, and if you have >50 lists, <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/437> and try patching installing those changes as patches. Note that!349 patches 15 files, but one of them is the change log and 12 are related to tests. The only ones you need to patch are postorius/templates/postorius/index.html and postorius/views/list.py. Likewise, these two are all you need from !437. 4) Abandon the Debian/Ubunto package and install the whole suite from source or with pip. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: "Private archives" aren't private

by Simon Liebold

Am 04.06.2017 um 15:55 schrieb Simon Hanna: > > Where are you seeing this behaviour? In my test archive: https://lists.simonliebold.de/hyperkitty/list/simsimmer@lists.simonliebold.… > > What version of Hyperkitty are you using? Master, commit 4c5eaead. > > Can you check what is stored in the database of Hyperkitty? > > ``` > > python manage.py shell > > from hyperkitty.models.mailinglist import MailingList > > MailingList.objects.all().values_list('name', 'archive_policy') > > ``` > > If the value for your list is 1 then we have a problem. 2 is for public > archives and 0 should never be archived. OK, no problem there: <QuerySet [(u'simsimmer(a)lists.simonliebold.de', 2L)]> > > It's possible that you changed the archive_policy of a list and the > change wasn't reflected in Hyperkitty. Postorius is showing the list's settings as "Private archives" (see screenshot). But apparently this setting doesn't do anything when switching it to "public" and back to "private". It always returns '2L'. Don't know if this is expected. Postorius is on 52c9c3a5. > > For such a possibly sensitive issue, you should open a hidden issue in > Gitlab ;-) > The issue is probably my setup. Simon

9 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: not correct language in subject(s)

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/23/23 08:19, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 5/23/23 06:24, Jens Günther wrote: >> >> But also other examples: >> - bounce-mail for the user that moderator approval is necessary (there >> the text is in german, but the reason is in english) >> - approval-mail for moderator (also text is in german, but subject and >> reason in english) > > > I'll look into these. If you don't have the > mailman/messages/de/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.mo file, this could be the > reason, but there may be a bug. I just tested, and the notice to the moderator of a held message is in the list's preferred language including the Subject: and the moderation reason, and the notice to the user sending a held message is in the User's preferred language for that list including the Subject: and the moderation reason. I suspect your issue is you don't have the compiled mailman.mo German message catalog. The text is in German because it comes from templates and you presumably do have German language templates. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty won't list more than 5 posts and shows empty grey Activity Summary box

by Barry Warsaw

On Aug 9, 2017, at 15:45, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > However, the sending of periodic digests depends on cron running > something periodically to actually trigger the sending. Right. There will eventually be additional recurring tasks for Core too though, such as processing the bounce database for disables and unsubs, pulling messages from NNTP, and possibly others as time goes on. I’ve always thought about handling these as commands that cron would run, much as in Mailman 2, but it would also be possible to implement a runner, or runners, to do those jobs. I can see advantages and disadvantages with either approach. > Note: I've just looked at the code and there seems to be an issue with > using 'mailman digests --send' to send the periodic digests. It appears > that if a list's digest mbox has any messages, 'mailman digests --send' > will send a digest even if digest_send_periodic is false. I've just > reported <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/384> for this issue. Yep, thanks for the bug report. `mailman digests —periodic` seems like the right approach. Cheers, -Barry

8 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Internal server error

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Andrew Bernard writes: > My mailbox is filling up with dozens of notification of an internal > server error. i wont post the whole mail as it is long, but here is > the top: > > Internal Server Error: > /archives/list/jackrail-meta(a)jackrail.org/recent-threads > > TypeError at /archives/list/jackrail-meta(a)jackrail.org/recent-threads > 'datetime.date' object is not iterable This is not your error, this a bug in Mailman (unlikely), Django (plausible), or some library Django uses. It could be a broken email, but that's still a validation bug somewhere in the Mailman stack. Googling "'datetime.date' object is not iterable django" suggests there may have been a Django or library bug in 2016 or so (I did *not* go past the blurbs Google returns). Without a backtrace, I can't identify this. If the "long" email is long because of the backtrace, please do post it. If not, set DEBUG=True in your config, restart Mailman long enough to get the message, find the backtrace in the message or log, and post that. If you're shy about posting long texts of uncertain value to the -users list (I understand the feeling), feel free to post to the GitLab issue tracker or mailman-developers(a)python.org. Steve

6 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty Error Curiosity

by Brian Carpenter

On 11/11/20 7:40 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/11/20 4:18 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> Some sort of auto-discard procedure after a number of retries? Is it >> possible to detect a message with a null characters and automatically >> discard them? Do such messages make it into the thread table? > > The message has been delivered to the list, but it is not archived. The > list post has an Archived-At: header with a URL, but the message isn't > there at all. The only way to get it archived is to correct the message > defect. Does the problematic message (null character) make it to the hyperkitty_thread table? > Thus, I don't think it's good to just discard the message at that point. > I'm fine with moving out of or not queueing it in the first place in > var/archives/hyperkitty/spool, but I think it should be preserved > somewhere, say in var/archives/hyperkitty/bad, and along with that, some > kind of notice sent to the site admin so bad messages don't just > accumulate without being seen. > Can a message with a null character be repaired with an automatic process? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Issues encountered while upgrading to 3.3.7

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 8:54 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/5/22 02:37, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > Here again, Google-fu came to the rescue. I added the following line to > > settings_local.py and the warnings were suppressed. > > DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD = 'django.db.models.AutoField' > > I need to understand how this affects everything and how this is likely > to > > impact the functionality of MM3. What is the proper solution for this? > > And should it be django.db.models.BigAutoField or > > django.db.models.AutoField? Which is which? > > > Prior to Django 3.2 Django set default primary keys to 32 bit integers. > In 3.2 Django introduced the possibility to set default primary keys to > 64 bit integers by setting the type to django.db.models.BigAutoField. > > Thus, putting > ``` > DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD = 'django.db.models.AutoField' > ``` > in your settings will maintain compatibility with pre 3.2 versions and > existing tables and this is the correct thing to do. > Thank you very much for the clarification. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Reject with notification not working

by Thomas Krichel

MegaBrutal via Mailman-users writes > Also I created my list as "Announce only", I ran mailman for donkeys' years for such a lists. Mailman is not a good tool for such lists. It requires its subscribers to verify their address. This is good policy for a discussion list, as you want to handling of subscribers. But this is added work for subscribers that you don't need them to do. The problem comes at signoff time. Folks forget they registered. They need to find their credentials. If they don't have them, they get annoyed and may mark your email as spam. That's one reason I wrote my own tool for such lists. It's called nitpo, which stands for New Item POster. I was funded 5000 euro by the EU to produce it. I worked on it for about one year. It powers the email subscriptions system in my expertise sharing services NEP https://nep.repec.org and bims Biomed News. Here the same items are packaged into potentially overlapping reports. Nipto features individual emails to present the item only once to a subscriber. This was the main reason why I wrote the tool. -- Written by Thomas Krichel http://openlib.org/home/krichel on his 22208th day.

4 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: using SSH/TLS with external MTA

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/28/24 09:54, Roland Giesler via Mailman-users wrote: > > These settings from the Django docs look like the ones in mailman.cfg. > Do I have to set them somewhere else too? Yes. The settings in mailman.cfg only affect mail from Mailman. For mail from Django, you have to set things like EMAIL_HOST = 'box2.gtahardware.co.za' EMAIL_PORT = 465 EMAIL_HOST_USER = 'roland(a)giesler.za.net' EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD = '...' and possibly others as desired, See the links to the Django docs for these. > * |use_tls|:|EMAIL_USE_TLS| > > <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/5.0/ref/settings/#std-setting-EMAIL_USE_T…> > * |use_ssl|:|EMAIL_USE_SSL| > > <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/5.0/ref/settings/#std-setting-EMAIL_USE_S…> > * |timeout|:|EMAIL_TIMEOUT| > > <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/5.0/ref/settings/#std-setting-EMAIL_TIMEO…> > * |ssl_keyfile|:|EMAIL_SSL_KEYFILE| > > <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/5.0/ref/settings/#std-setting-EMAIL_SSL_K…> > * |ssl_certfile|:|EMAIL_SSL_CERTFILE| > > <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/5.0/ref/settings/#std-setting-EMAIL_SSL_C…> This all goes in your Django settings which from other posts I gather is /etc/mailman3/mailman3-web.py. I'm guessing you are using the Debian packages and that's where the package puts the Django settings. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: Can't deliver mails in queue

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/20/21 4:01 AM, Nathanael Schneider wrote: > > It would have been nice though to have a more refined error to figure > this out. But its solved now and hopefully this will help someone else > as well. I'm glad you resolved it, and I'm sorry I didn't consider the template issue myself. You actually had two separate template issues. If you created templates in Postorius, they were inaccessible because of the POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL issue, but your initial problem with imported lists is different. It probably resulted from running the `mailman import21` command as root which you should never do. You should always run `mailman` commands as the Mailman user. This is mentioned at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html#id1 The `mailman import21` command can create list specific templates in Mailman's var/templates/lists/LIST_ID/LC/ directory and if run as root these will be user:group root:root and not world readable and therefore can't be read by Mailman. Also, deleting and recreating the list with the same LIST_ID doesn't remove those templates, so the list still doesn't work. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] New Mailman Releases

by Abhilash Raj

Hi, I am pleased to announce several new releases for GNU Mailman project. 1. Mailman Core 3.3.6 [1] 2. Postorius 1.3.7 [2] 3. Hyperkitty 1.3.6 [3] 4. Mailmanclient 3.3.4 [4] 5. Django-mailman3 1.3.8 [5] All the releases are published to PyPI and you can find links to all the PyPI projects: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ A full list of changelogs are available below: [1]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.… [2]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html#section-2 -- Something weird is going on with the page missing the bullets. [3]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/news.html#news-1-3-6 [4]: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailmanclient/en/latest/src/mailmanclien… [5]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/blob/master/README.rst Finally, the minimum Python version required is 3.7 although, 3.9 is recommended if you are doing a new install for longest support. 3.10 is supported for Django apps, but Mailman Core is missing that due to one of the core dependencies not support 3.10 yet (aiosmtpd). Thanks to all the contributors for making this release possible and apologies on my end for delayed releases. If you find any issues, you can report them at the respective bug tracker for the projects. The links to issue trackers are available here: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core.

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/12/25 09:24, Christian via Mailman-users wrote: > Running Debian 4.19.316-1 > Python 3.7.3 > > I am unable to start mailman core > > > mailman@lists:~$ /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman start > Usage: mailman start [OPTIONS] > Try 'mailman start -h' for help. > > Error: A previous run of GNU Mailman did not exit cleanly (stale_lock). Try > using --force > mailman@lists:~$ > > > I try using --force and it did not work. So how do I start it? In Mailman's var/locks directory (maybe /opt/mailman/mm/var/locks/) you will see at least two files. The ones of interest are: ``` master.lck master.lck|<host_name>|<pid>|<random_integer> ``` First verify that pid is not running or if it is, that it's not Mailman's `master` process. Then remove all the files from the var/locks/ directory and Mailman should start. > Bottom line: I would like for Mailman core to start when I reboot the > server. How can this be achieved please? See https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#starting-mailma… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] We're in Season of Docs!

by Stephen J. Turnbull

So, we're in Season of Docs! Currently, Abhilash and I are registered as mentor/admins. I don't think we need more admins, but more mentors is always a good thing. Hey, users! You don't need to be a programmer to mentor docs, of course, and it may be a *good* thing to *not* be a programmer and even *not* a Mailman developer. :-) Suggestions as to doc projects we *really oughtta do!* are very welcome. (I can't believe we got in with the thin doc proposal I put together literally at the last minute, but here we are. ;-) Feel free to get in touch with us on mailman-developers (reply-to set; please respect) if you're interested in mentoring. Or if you prefer you can contact me or Abhilash directly. We can presumably add mentors up to July 23 (deadline for technical writer selection by orgs). For more information: https://wiki.list.org/DEV/SeasonOfDocs2019 https://developers.google.com/season-of-docs/ https://developers.google.com/season-of-docs/docs/participants/ https://developers.google.com/season-of-docs/docs/timeline Regards, Steve -- Associate Professor Division of Policy and Planning Science http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp/ Faculty of Systems and Information Email: turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tel: 029-853-5175 Tennodai 1-1-1, Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN

7 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Recommended way to backup a mailman3 instance

by Gilles Filippini

Abhilash Raj a écrit le 12/04/2020 à 19:34 : > > > On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, at 7:23 AM, Gilles Filippini wrote: >> Gilles Filippini a écrit le 10/04/2020 à 10:39 : >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'd like to schedule periodic backup for our mailman3 instance. Are >>> there recommended ways for doing this without down times? >> >> I should have precised that our mailman3 instance is dockerized. Then, >> as I understand it, these backups should be sufficient: >> * MailmanCore's volume (/opt/mailman/var folder) > > /opt/mailman/core/var > >> * Database dump >> >> Anything else? > > No, that should be enough. Mailman-web is fairly stateless and stores everything except the settings and logs in the database. If you have settings version controlled then you don't need anything else. There is also fulltext_index, but that doesn't need to be backed up because it can be easy re-generated with a single django-admin command. I don't know django. Would you mind giving some pointers about this django-admin command to re-regenerate fulltext_index? > Mailman core's entire state is in the var/ directory above. Ack. Thanks, _g,

6 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Rich Text support in Hyperkitty

by Abhilash Raj

Hi All, I have been recently working on adding rich text support through markdown in Hyperkitty so that emails can be made easier to read. The core design idea in my mind when working on this was building something that doesn't bother writers of plain text emails too much, but allows people to write emails in markdown. The supported syntax is limited Markdown, for example: Hyperkitty's Markdown Syntax ============================ - List items are supported - Even nested ones - Headers with `#` aren't supported, mostly due to their widespread use as comments in code shared on mailing lists. - You can **emphasize** text and _itcalize_ them too - Block code and `inline code` works. - URLs work like they usually do. - Images _do work_, but are disabled by default because of their potential for tracking users. They need to be enabled by administrators through a configuration flag. ``` def sample(): return "yay" ``` While text intentionally written for Markdown rending looks pretty good, plain text sometimes isn't as good. I have applied my branch[1] on both the Mailman installations for these two lists (mail.python.org & lists.mailman3.org) Any feedback or bug reports on weird looking stuff is welcome here or directly [on my PR][1] [1]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/merge_requests/160 -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

7 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Need help setting up mailman3 on ubuntu 20.04...

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 9:43 AM Marisa Giancarla via Mailman-users < mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > I'm trying to get mailman3 up on ubuntu using the debian package. I did > the "apt install mailman3-full" and it does seem to have installed as > both the mailman3 & mailman3-web processes are running. I can use > "mailman create" in the command-line and "mailman lists" displays the > lists I created. > > > What I am having issues with is I don't see any entries in/etc/aliases, > and I don't know how to access the web interface (as either admin or > user). Can someone point me to what I need to do to finish it? > Thanks, > Marisa > Hi Maria, You will probably have to follow this old documentation to finish it: ``` https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xIcSsoNFp2nHi7r4eQys00s9a0k2sHhu1V5Plan… ``` However, the latest supported installation method for _any_ platform is at: ``` https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst… ``` It is a very straightforward method and the recommended one, supported by the developers. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: user self registration

by Christian Stalberg

That worked. Thank you! -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2025 9:26 AM To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Re: user self registration On 12/7/25 07:46, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-users wrote: > Spammers have been registering and not subscribing. I want to turn off > the user self registration at https://lists.ccalternatives.org/mailman3/ . > > I edited /etc/mailman3/settings.py adding ACCOUNT_ALLOW_REGISTRATION = > False and restarted the services, but the ' Sign Up' option remains. I > assume /etc/mailman3/settings.py is my active settings file. > > What am I doing wrong? Web searches may find reference to a django-allauth setting ACCOUNT_ALLOW_REGISTRATION, but this setting doesn't exist in current django-allauth The setting you want is ACCOUNT_ADAPTER = ‘django_mailman3.views.user_adapter.DisableSignupAdapter’ See https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/faq.html#how-to-disable-signup or https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman-web/en/latest/settings.html#mail… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… This message sent to csa(a)web-analysts.net

7 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: configuring moderators per list

by Dmitry Makovey

On 11/06/2017 03:17 PM, Abhilash Raj wrote: > Hi, > > > On Mon, Nov 6, 2017, at 02:33 PM, Dmitry Makovey wrote: >> We're trying to configure moderator per list and so far we were only >> able to add "superuser" accounts that can handle "Held messages", >> "Members", "Banned addresses" etc. >> >> Is there a way to create special account per-list to manage some of the >> aspects of particular ML without giving them all the permissions that >> Superuser comes along with? > > There are moderators and list owners in Mailman 3 too. Superusers can > add them under 'Members' tab in settings. > '/lists/<list_id>/members/moderator/' the the relative URL to add > moderators. > thanks. I do realize that this is a better security than MM2 approach, but we're trying to make MM3 a drop-in for existing MM2 and old behavior was that there was a single password for the moderator of ML which was not associated with user accounts really. That was the kind of thing we were thinking of. I'm guessing this is not a possibility in MM3 (and perhaps for the best)... -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

8 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: PSA: Avoiding spam-scanning outgoing mailman3 mail

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/8/20 2:11 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: > > The easy fix was to edit the [mta] setting in mailman.cfg to deliver email via the submit port instead, which has no filtering applied to it: > > smtp_host: localhost > # using the submit port bypasses spamassassin filtering on outgoing list email > smtp_port: 587 > smtp_user: mm3send <— I created this user for this purpose > smtp_pass: <password-for-mm3send-user> > > This works great and can be applied to any email filtering. We tend to do this differently. For example, on mail.python.org which currently has 261 Mailman 2.1 lists and 134 Mailman 3 lists and sends about 135,000 individual messages per day from the two Mailman instances, we define in /etc/postfix/master.cf 127.0.0.1:8026 inet n - - - - smtpd -o smtpd_authorized_xforward_hosts=127.0.0.0/8 -o mynetworks=127.0.0.0/8 -o smtpd_recipient_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,reject -o smtpd_client_restrictions= -o smtpd_helo_restrictions= -o smtpd_sender_restrictions= -o smtpd_data_restrictions= -o receive_override_options=no_unknown_recipient_checks -o smtpd_milters=inet:127.0.0.1:8891 Then port 8026 only accepts locally generated mail and only does dkim signing (milter on port 8891) and essentially no other checks. Then in the [mta] section in mailman.cfg we only need smtp_port: 8026 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Internal Server Errors in mailmanweb.log

by Washington Odhiambo

On Sun, Jan 25, 2026 at 12:29 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 1/24/26 02:35, Washington Odhiambo via Mailman-users wrote: > > > > I am not trying to export any threads at all. I haven't tried doing it > for > > whatever reason. > > So the fact that there is even an attempt at exporting it is strange. > > > All the errors in your OP result from an attempt to get > > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/list/kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke/ex…<thread-hash>.mbox.gz > > with various thread hashes. > > Check your web server logs and the log at > /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/access.log. There may be accesses from some bot > or ?? or possibly these are things generated by qcluster. Check things like > > mailman-web qinfo > mailman-web qmemory > mailman-web qmonitor > I have dealt with the bots at the Nginx level for now. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

6 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Please help - Held message is crashing mailman.

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/5/19 10:27 PM, Alex King via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi, > > I've used mailman a lot in the past, and decided to install mailman3 in > a recent install. I'm unimpressed so far, it seems buggy. > > Running on Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS from packages, mailman3 3.1.1-9, > mailman3-web 0+20170523-14, python-django-postorius 1.1.2-3. > > After a few messages, I now can't go to the "Held Messages" in > postorius, I get a 500 error. > > I tried to interact on the command line, but could not work out how. > Reading > https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/install.html > and > https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/docs/shell.ht…, > I tried: > > # mailman shell > Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell > >>>> command = cli('mailman.commands.cli_withlist.shell') > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/python3.6/code.py", line 91, in runcode > exec(code, self.locals) > File "<console>", line 1, in <module> > NameError: name 'cli' is not defined > > I did a lot of reading of the manual and googled, but I have no idea > where the cli object is supposed to come from.....? The documentation > is confusing. The line command = cli('mailman.commands.cli_withlist.shell') in <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/docs/shell.ht…> is dependent upon some behind the scenes setup to make the doctests work. Granted this is confusing, but basically all that does is set things up for the doctests to run the 'mailman shell' command. It is not intended to be run from within 'mailman shell'. > Anyway, after some trial and error, i found: > > # mailman shell > Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell >>>> list_manager = getUtility(IListManager) >>>> m=list_manager.get("committee(a)[redacted].org") >>>> from mailman.interfaces.requests import IListRequests >>>> requests = IListRequests(m) >>>> [x for x in requests.held_requests][0].id > 8 >>>> requests.get_request(8) > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/python3.6/code.py", line 91, in runcode > exec(code, self.locals) > File "<console>", line 1, in <module> > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", > line 85, in wrapper > return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/model/requests.py", line > 120, in get_request > result.data_hash, expunge=False) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", > line 85, in wrapper > return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/model/pending.py", line > 138, in confirm > value = json.loads(keyvalue.value) > File "/usr/lib/python3.6/json/__init__.py", line 354, in loads > return _default_decoder.decode(s) > File "/usr/lib/python3.6/json/decoder.py", line 339, in decode > obj, end = self.raw_decode(s, idx=_w(s, 0).end()) > File "/usr/lib/python3.6/json/decoder.py", line 355, in raw_decode > obj, end = self.scan_once(s, idx) > json.decoder.JSONDecodeError: Unterminated string starting at: line 1 > column 1 (char 0) > > It seems something was written out to disk that can't be read in for > some reason (assuming a json object on disk?) This is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/385> which should be fixed by <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/merge_requests/333>. The fix in in Mailman core version 3.2.0 > How do I debug this further? How do I find the json being decoded? Any > help would be appreciated. (I found mailman2 just worked, I was happy > with that.) The issue is in storing a pickled representation of the json encoding of 'rule_misses'. This gets very long if you have lots of header filters, and with at least the mysql backend gets truncated in the database which causes the Unterminated string error. I'm not sure what your options are for upgrading. The current Debian packages are all >= 3.2.0 [1], but Ubuntu doesn't get 3.2.0 until cosmic (18.10) [2]. [1] https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mailman3 [2] https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=mailman3 > (My colleague posted a bug about this I believe but I don't have the > link to that.) I haven't seen it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Python 3.5 support?

by Abhilash Raj

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, at 2:10 PM, Joel Lord wrote: > I'm looking through the recent changes to Core and Postorius and I keep > spotting what looks like removal of the test cases for Python 3.5. Is > the next release going to be dropping support for 3.5? Is this because > 3.5 is going EOL shortly or because there are changes in the upcoming > release that actively will not work on 3.5? I've tried to hold off on dropping support for 3.5 for as long as I can, the last release even though supported 3.5 in Core, didn't in Django apps(specifically, Hyperkitty). The main reason to drop support is that our dependencies have started dropping off support. For now, there is nothing in the Mailman source code that blocks 3.5, but that could change soon since I've really been waiting to use f'strings and other exciting features. Also, Debian and Fedora do have 3.7 or 3.8 in them at this point, so I am hoping this won't be a huge issue. > > -- > Joel Lord > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating from old V2 server to new V3 server. Questions.

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/10/24 1:55 PM, jkoral(a)luc.edu wrote: > The old server is trying to send, but I end up getting an undeliverable message saying no connection could be made. I know port 25 is open because I can telnet to it. I'm wondering if I'm missing something in my configuration. Can you take a look? Thank you. > > Here are the active settings in /etc/postfix/master.cf: ... > smtp inet n - y - - smtpd This says port 25 is for smtpd and that's good. > And here are the setting I have in /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg > # /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg This is irrelevant as the message never gets to Mailman. On 10/10/24 1:58 PM, jkoral(a)luc.edu wrote: > Here are the results from netstat: > > tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3876896/master And Postfix master process is listening on port 25. You say you can telnet to port 25. Can you do that from the old MM 2.1 server? Can you connect and receive the greeting and send `EHLO hostname` and get a good response? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: The MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY was not sent as the Authorization HTTP header.

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/22/21 8:51 AM, Marco Marinello wrote: > Hi everybody, > > as per subject, I'm getting this error in the hyperkitty log when mailman daemon tries to archive a mail. > I've setup the hyperkitty.cfg file with api_key = MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY in settings_local.py but still nothing. > I've seen here and in GitLab issues some errors concerning a wrong api key but here it says that it wasn't sent at all. > All packages installed via pip install + latest .zip release, including mailman-hyperkitty. Currently running on apache with mod_wsgi_py3 without https. The following combinations should work: mailman-hyperkitty 1.2.0 with HyperKitty 1.3.5 mailman-hyperkitty <1.2.0 with HyperKitty <1.3.5 The following will not work: mailman-hyperkitty 1.2.0 with HyperKitty <1.3.5 mailman-hyperkitty <1.2.0 with HyperKitty 1.3.5 Do you see a message like 'The MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY is now required to be sent over the Authorization HTTP header, you need to upgrade the mailman-hyperkitty package to 1.2.0 or newer.' In your Django log and/or your mailman.log? These will only be logged with HyperKitty 1.3.5 and mailman-hyperkitty < 1.2.0 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailing Lists

by David Newman

On 12/23/21 3:09 PM, John McDonald via Mailman-users wrote: > I am responsible for the mailing list of a local church. Recently the church was moved to using Mailman for this. When a simple message is created and sent to the mailing list most email addresses received it correctly but those with an Outlook or Hotmail account received attachments and not the message. There are three attachments and one of them has to be opened to view the message. > > Am I missing some setting? This is possibly unrelated to Mailman, and possibly happening because Outlook.com and Hotmail are both owned by Microsoft, and both are flagging your server as a spam source. You can verify this by checking your mail server's logs. Usually a big service like Hotmail or Gmail will embed a URL in the error message where you can go to apply to be whitelisted. If this is the problem, you may need to take additional steps (again outside of Mailman3) to be a good email server citizen, such as adding DKIM and SPF records in your domain's DNS. Unless you have both, Microsoft or Google may block your server. It might also be a Mailman problem, but since some subscribers do get postings, I'd start with this first. dn

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problems getting MM3 to work

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/24/23 4:53 PM, Mark London wrote: > > Mark - I encountered the same problem and it wasn't clear from the > documentation what to do about it. > > So I eventually changed the name from example.com using the /admin link. > > But if I now set SITE_ID = 0, and restart the server, it is not happy > and tells me it encountered an error. > > raise > self.model.DoesNotExist(django.contrib.sites.models.Site.DoesNotExist: > Site matching query does not exist. I'm not sure about this. It may only work if there is more than one site. On the other hand, it requires that the requesting domain match a site. I.e., I think if the site's domain is example.com, but the request is from www.example.com, that could cause it to fail. Also, if proxying to a wsgi server, the web server has to pass the host. I.e., for nginx, proxy_set_header Host $host and for Apache ProxyPreserveHost On > I guess I should just let it be set to 1 and be done with it? - Mark Yes, I think so. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Configuring sendmail without virtualtable? Is this possible?

by Andreas Schamanek

On Tue, 25 Apr 2023, at 11:01, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 4:30 AM Mark London <mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu> wrote: >> https://gist.github.com/Maeglin73/72eb5b1e4ee66a383c2aa454726be9a5 > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/307#note_632495542 > You will have your solution - or not. I had to come up with a solution a year ago or so, and for reasons I unfortunately do not remember, suggestions from issue #307 did not work out for our sendmail. I ended up writing a Python script which accepts a message at stdin and hands it over to Mailman's LMTP. As such, it works almost like an in-place replacement for the MM2 /etc/mail/smrsh/mailman. I copied my script to /etc/mail/smrsh/mailman3 and changed aliases from e.g. mylist: "|mailman post mylist" to mylist: "|mailman3 post mylist" for any list that I migrated (while keeping MM2 running for old ones). I am not a programmer and I don't know Python. So, I won't share my script publicly for now, but it works for me, and anyone interested I am sure will find a way to contact me off-list. It's only my 2nd non-trivial Python script so far, so, no promises whatsoever ;) -- -- Andreas :-)

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] A few more MM3 questions

by Marc SCHAEFER

Hello, My migration from MM2 to MM3 seems near completion: I will do a few more tests and then tell the list admins to start testing. I have a few questions: 1) persistence: as I can regenerate the configuration files (mailman, mailman-web, hyperkitty), is all what's useful in the DB, or are some things in /var/lib/mailman3 worth saving? obviously messages to be moderated, hyperkitty failed messages, etc are stored there, but shall I assume that all mailing-lists configuration, all users configuration and all archives are in the DB? 2) I imported a list and all messages get a footer of: %(web_page_url)slistinfo/%(_internal_name)s which I guess changed between MM2 and MM3; however when I look at that list configuration in the web interface of MM3, I see no templates defined, nor any clue where this is configured: where may I change this? 3) is there a configuration somewhere that can allow someone to create a mailman web account ONLY if he is already referenced somewhere in a mailing-list, and not otherwise? (or to create accounts that need approvals from an admin before being usable?) also, can a non-yet-referenced e-mail From: still subscribe to a private list (confirm+moderate) via e-mail regardless of the above? Thank you for any pointers!

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: using SSH/TLS with external MTA

by Roland Giesler

On 2024/07/28 17:06, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 7/28/24 06:26, Roland Giesler via Mailman-users wrote: >> On 2024/07/28 00:39, Mark Sapiro wrote: >>> >>> What do you see in Mailman's smtp.log and in the mail.log on the >>> mail server? >> >> The smtp log is in syslog... > > The smtp.log I refer to is Mailman's smtp.log which is in Mailman's > var/logs/ directory. There are no entries in the /var/log/mailman3/smtp.log that get created when I try to log in (and authenticate) in Postorius. Jul 28 15:30:18 2024 (516) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin) Jul 28 15:30:18 2024 (516) Peer: ('192.168.161.103', 54464) Jul 28 15:30:18 2024 (516) ('192.168.161.103', 54464) handling connection Jul 28 15:30:18 2024 (516) ('192.168.161.103', 54464) EOF received Jul 28 15:30:18 2024 (516) ('192.168.161.103', 54464) Connection lost during _handle_client() Jul 28 15:30:18 2024 (516) ('192.168.161.103', 54464) connection lost Jul 28 15:50:22 2024 (1059) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin) Jul 28 15:50:22 2024 (1059) Peer: ('192.168.161.103', 34814) Jul 28 15:50:22 2024 (1059) ('192.168.161.103', 34814) handling connection Jul 28 15:50:22 2024 (1059) ('192.168.161.103', 34814) EOF received Jul 28 15:50:22 2024 (1059) ('192.168.161.103', 34814) Connection lost during _handle_client() The recent attempts I made where after 18:00.

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: Congrats on the instructions for installation on ubuntu, what about migration?

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/8/24 5:45 PM, Bill Oliver wrote: > > Is there a tutorial/instructions on migrating data from an old system > to a new one? It's actually not the end of the world if I don't get > all the old emails transferred, but I'd like to get the email addresses > of the participants moved over easily... I believe that I set it up > in 2020, but did not do any version upgrades since then... There's no explicit doc, but there are some posts in the archives of this list, e.g. <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…>. The easiest scenario is if you want to migrate everything. You just dump the database on the old server and load it on the new one using the database manager's tools. If you only want to move some, but not all lists, it's more complicated, but possibly the easiest thing is to migrate everything and then delete the unwanted lists and their archives from Postorius and HyperKitty. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: confirm mail rejected

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/02/2017 05:21 AM, Marc Sluiter wrote: > > In the logs I see that postfix is trying both "liste-confirm+extension@domain" and "liste-confirm@domain" for another lookup map of type mysql (so "recipient_delimiter" is working), but not for the mailman map of type regexp. > Just a wild guess, I didn't find anything about it: can it be that “recipient_delimiter" doesn't work for “regexp" maps? I think so. See the note I just added at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/401#note_42163915>. > For now I worked around this issue by manually modifying the confirm regex in "postfix_lmtp” to /^liste-confirm\+.*(a)domain\.tld$/ > > Does anyone have an idea why the regexp map isn’t working for me and at least 1 other user (see https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/401)? > Would my workaround be a long term solution which could be implemented in mailman? That would mean that mailman could work independent of the “recipient_delimiter” setting (or do I oversee something?) I'll be working on a fix. My inclination is to change all the regexp -confirm and -bounces table entries from, e.g., /^list-bounces(a)example\.com$/ to /^list-bounces(+.*)?(a)example\.com$/ -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Dealing with hyperkitty spool files (was Re: Re: Fwd: [Django] ...)

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/2/21 11:33 PM, David Partain via Mailman-users wrote: > > In this regard, I have three questions: > > 1. Am I correct in assuming that I can just use my favorite editor (vi) > to remove the offending characters from the file? No. The file is a Python pickle and you can't edit it. You would need to get the message and the metadata from the pickle (you could at least view it with the `mailman qfile` command), edit the message and then re-pickle the message and metadata. > 2. If I cannot find the offending character, is it safe to just remove > the file so that subsequent archiving can proceed? Yes. > 3. Can I do something to make hyperkitty go through the spool? I don't know what you mean. Every time there is a new post to any list, Mailman core invokes the mailman_hyperkitty process to archive the message and the forst thing that process does is attempt to reprocess all the messages in the spool which fails because of the utf8mb4 issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Broken web interface Ubuntu 20.04

by tim＠thecutts.org

Mine is doing the same thing. It happened yesterday morning, when some packages were upgraded by the system. I'm glad it's not just me this has happened to. It looks like someone pushed an apache2 package which broke things on the 28th September, and another has been pushed yesterday, but it's still broken. From my logs, these packages got updated the first time: Start-Date: 2021-09-29 06:38:15 Commandline: /usr/bin/unattended-upgrade Upgrade: libapache2-mod-proxy-uwsgi:amd64 (2.4.41-4ubuntu3.4, 2.4.41-4ubuntu3.5), apache2-data:amd64 (2.4.41-4ubuntu3.4, 2.4.41-4ubuntu3.5), apache2-bin:amd64 (2.4.41-4ubuntu3.4, 2.4.41-4ubuntu3.5), apache2:amd64 (2.4.41-4ubuntu3.4, 2.4.41-4ubuntu3.5), apache2-utils:amd64 (2.4.41-4ubuntu3.4, 2.4.41-4ubuntu3.5) End-Date: 2021-09-29 06:38:52 and then the next day: Start-Date: 2021-09-30 06:33:46 Commandline: /usr/bin/unattended-upgrade Upgrade: libapache2-mod-proxy-uwsgi:amd64 (2.4.41-4ubuntu3.5, 2.4.41-4ubuntu3.6), apache2-data:amd64 (2.4.41-4ubuntu3.5, 2.4.41-4ubuntu3.6), apache2-bin:amd64 (2.4.41-4ubuntu3.5, 2.4.41-4ubuntu3.6), apache2:amd64 (2.4.41-4ubuntu3.5, 2.4.41-4ubuntu3.6), apache2-utils:amd64 (2.4.41-4ubuntu3.5, 2.4.41-4ubuntu3.6) End-Date: 2021-09-30 06:34:32 So clearly something's gone wrong with Ubuntu's apache2 packages, and it's broken something quite badly for Django and/or Postorious. But I don't know enough about how Django or WSGI work to be able to debug this. When I look at the mailman-web-logs, the urls that postorious puts into the page don't honour the POSTORIOUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL variable in the mailman-web.py file any more. Tim

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Python 3.13 compatibility

by Thomas Ward

With recent revisions I made to the general Installation page that leads to other pages [1], we could write a "Install-From-HEAD-DANGEROUS" document (akin to the existing virtualenv install documents but then specify alternative install commands to install from HEAD), detailing how to install from HEAD with the major disclaimer notice about this NOT being recommended unless you want or need to track Git HEAD. The parent page there at [1] can thus have a huge disclaimer saying "You should only do this if you really need to or are intending to work with development of Mailman 3 and its components." Happy to write a proposal of such a document for review. Thomas On 2026-03-30 13:45, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Stephen J. Turnbull writes: > > > Putting that recipe as is in the developer docs also doesn't make > > that much sense to me, as developers are expected to have full > > clones of the components they're working on. On the other hand > > something that points at the dev's local repos of the Mailman Suite > > components does make a lot of sense to me. > > That would be somewhere in the neighborhood of > mailman/src/mailman/docs/install.rst. > > Steve >

4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Editing "automatic responses" tab i Postorius does not work

by David Krantz

But this one is already exposed. But I cannot change it anyway as the tab requires URIs for the different templates to allow saving. I do not use those URIs as I have configured the defaults as I like them. I tried once and it failed so I decided to set the defaults instead. cheers. // David On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 5/21/17 5:22 AM, David Krantz wrote: >> >> I am trying to change e.g. the value of "notify admin on membership >> changes" through postorius. > > > There are still many settings not yet exposed in Postorius. We are > painfully aware of this and will probably be working on some of this at > the PyCon sprints starting tomorrow. > > Until we get more of these addressed, you will need to use tools like > "mailman withlist" to set these things. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

9 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] so many instances of mailman.cfg

by Christian Stalberg

Question: I've five copies of mailman.cfg on my box. How can I tell which one is actually being used please? -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2021 11:06 AM To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Re: mass subscribers disablement!? On 11/26/21 9:39 AM, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-users wrote: > After the first time where users were unsubscribed automatically, I > added back one at a time all the subscribers who were unsubscribed. > Now they have all been unsubscribed again automatically. They are > valid working email addresses. How can I stop this behavior from occurring please? Do you have the bounce processing notifications `Notify owner on disable` and `Notify owner on removal` set to `Yes`. If not, set them. Then, what's in the notices you receive? You might also consider setting `verp_probes: yes` in the `[mta]` section of mailman.cfg. This will avoid some issues with users being disabled/unsubscribed due to list posts being rejected as spam. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 / Exim4: Router fails

by ceo＠sartrack.nz

Hi Mark. I have no idea if that file exists. As far as I can see, it cannot exist. It must be some virtual file. And it would have to be created by Mailman3 just for a short moment, for Exim to pick it up. It looks very weird to me, but the old Mailman 2.1 worked in the same way.... and I can no longer see how that would have worked as it has been wiped out by the OS upgrade. And yes, I generated the mailing list as (from memory) : mailman3 create templist(a)sartrack.nz templist.lists.sartrack.nz (?) I tried to create it as: create templist(a)sartrack.nz templist(a)sartrack.nz but it would not accept that. This all was done while I war trying to *import* the existing list, but this keeps failing with a 'mailing list does not exist' until I after much Googling found a comment somewhere that I first has to Create a list (not to be found in any documentation). Somehow Mailman must create this weird file for Exit to be able to read it, and then it would have to dissapear, because it makes no sence if that file would be sitting in the mail 'lists' directory. I do not understand this system at all.

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Too Many From Headers

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 6:08 PM dap1--- via Mailman-users < mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > I don't know if this is related or not but rather then the list name being > in the from header, it is either the list owner or the sender address. > Since I'm both I don't know how to tell which from my test emails. I'm > downloading the incoming messages with fetchmail so I have to figure out > how to see the incoming headers before it gets to mailman but I highly > doubt it is coming in that way. Either fetchmail or postfix is doing > something funky if it is not mailman. > I am a little curious. What necessitated the use of fetchmail, BTW? Is port 25 blocked for your server? Your life would be a lot easier even with a $4/month VM. That is $48/year - much cheaper than the time you've spent struggling with this unusual setup, IMHO. Without prejudice. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

8 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Set domain inactive / archive import from other domain.

by Mark Sapiro

On 09/18/2018 07:14 PM, Johannes Winter wrote: > Am Sat, 15 Sep 2018 09:31:53 -0700 > schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: >> >> Why do you think the domain name is an issue? Perhaps the issue is >> there is already one or more messages in the archive and the messages >> you are importing are older. If you don't specify --since to >> hyperkitty_import it won't import messages older than the newest >> message in the existing archive. > > > Thanks a lot for your excellent and fast support! That was the problem. > Maybe it would be wise to include that into the help of the > hyperkitty_import command? > > Although this command successfully imported 3/4 of the huge (1.7GB) > mbox, it stumbled upon an error after some minutes: > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/200 I have added a comment there which see. I'll "fix" this and I'll update the help to note that if not specified, --since defaults to the date of the newest existing message in the archive. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: The message is larger than the 40 KB maximum size

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/21/20 3:01 PM, Mohsen Masoudfar wrote: > It seems something is fundamentally wrong with Hyperkitty: > >>From /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log > > --- > 49 Sep 21 21:49:25 2020 (24925) HyperKitty failure on http://localhost/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls: <html><title>Auth required</title><body> > 50 <h1>Authorization Required</h1></body></html> (401) > 51 Sep 21 21:49:25 2020 (24925) HyperKitty failure on http://localhost/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls: <html><title>Auth required</title><body> > 52 <h1>Authorization Required</h1></body></html> (401) > 53 Sep 21 21:49:25 2020 (24925) HyperKitty failure on http://localhost/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls: <html><title>Auth required</title><body> > 54 <h1>Authorization Required</h1></body></html> (401) > 55 Sep 21 21:49:26 2020 (24918) HyperKitty failure on http://localhost/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive: <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2. 0//EN"> ... I doubt this has anything to do with the missing approved message, but what's in you mailman-hyperkitty.cfg file for api_key and does that match your settings_local.py setting for MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY except for being quoted in settings_local.py and not in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification

by Onyeibo Oku

On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 14:46:06 -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 10/25/22 12:56, Onyeibo Oku wrote: > > > > I must be missing necessary policy modules for mailman or I am > > missing relevant parts of the tutorial that deals with SELinux. > > Where do I go from here? > > > Create the necessary SELinux rules to allow `mailman` to access what > it needs to. Roger that. There is progress beyond the previous report (after setting mailman_lock_t on '/opt/mailman/mm/var/locks'. Systemd fails again on '/opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/mailman.log' I applied mailman_log_t SELinux policy to that folder. Unlike the previous AVC, that didn't fix it. PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/mailman.log' AVC avc: denied { append } for pid=774 comm="mailman" name="mailman.log" dev="sda" ino=2070696 scontext=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0 tcontext=unconfined_u:object_r:mailman_log_t:s0 tclass=file permissive=0 > > I don't know if anyone on this list can help you with that. > > Note that if `mailman` is currently a `normal user` as opposed to a > `system user` making it a system user might help. See `man usermod` > Mailman user is a System User here. Regards Onyeibo

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: (Custom) Plugins: Proper file path(s) for adding a handler?

by Abhilash Raj

On Wed, 25 Oct 2023, at 11:23 PM, Abhilash Raj wrote: > On 10/25/23 01:04, Thomas Ward via Mailman-users wrote: >> Running into some nasty issues. >> >> I have a structure like this, installed as a package in the workspace >> once installed by pip in the venv: >> >> mailman_customizations/ >> __init__.py >> hooks.py <-- plugin definition in here as MailmanCustomizations >> for class name >> handlers/ >> __init__.py >> handlers.py <-- custom handler in here >> pipelines/ >> __init__.py >> pipelines.py <-- custom pipelines which implement the handlers >> here. >> >> However, whenever I specify this in config with this clause: >> >> [plugin.MailmanCustomizations] >> class: mailman_customizations.hooks.MailmanCustomizations >> enabled: no >> > > Change this to > > [plugin.mailman_customizations] > class: mailman_customizations.hooks.MailmanCustomizations > enabled: yes FWIW You can also do: ``` [plugin.MailmanCustomizations] class: mailman_customizations.hooks.MailmanCustomizations enabled: no component_package: mailman_customizations ``` In ^ case, the "name" of the plugin, "MailmanCustomizations" in this case, doesn't matter and can be anything and mailman will use "component_package" as the base module to look for components. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Two trivial questons:

by Bill Oliver

Whoops, and now that I'm in, I see where the SITE_ID stuff comes in. I just created the doman, and it works. So.. sorry to bother you. I seem to be good to go... billo On Wed, 2024-10-09 at 20:03 -0400, Bill Oliver wrote: > > I take that back again. I found the error. I had nothing listed in > CSRF_TRUSTED_ORIGINS. I filled that in and it ran like a charm. > > So, now it's just the SITE_ID thing... > > billo > > > On Wed, 2024-10-09 at 19:22 -0400, Bill Oliver wrote: > > > > I take that back. I went back and made another superuser using > > mailman-web create superuser. But... I still get bounced with the > > error: > > > > > > Forbidden (403) > > CSRF verification failed. Request aborted. > > > > More information is available with DEBUG=True. > > > > > > > > my uwsgi.log generates: > > > > [pid: 1385|app: 0|req: 14/22] 127.0.0.1 () {52 vars in 1078 bytes} > > [Wed > > Oct 9 23:15:17 2024] GET /accounts/login/?next=/mailman3/lists/ => > > generated 8204 bytes in 33 msecs (HTTP/1.0 200) 11 headers in 509 > > bytes > > (1 switches on core 1) > > [pid: 1385|app: 0|req: 15/23] 127.0.0.1 () {62 vars in 1230 bytes} > > [Wed > > Oct 9 23:15:27 2024] POST /accounts/login/ => generated 1019 bytes > > in > > 2 msecs (HTTP/1.0 403) 8 headers in 268 bytes (1 switches on core > > 0) > > > > So it wasn't that I forgot the superuser name. It's getting > > denied. > > That's all I got. > > > > Any help would be appreciated... > > > > billo > > > > > > On Wed, 2024-10-09 at 19:04 -0400, Bill Oliver wrote: > > > First: > > > > > > Last night I got everything installed and, I think, working. > > > Unfortunately, I forgot to write down the name and password of > > > the > > > superuser I created. I know what I put in as password, but I > > > cant' > > > remamber the name of the superuser. > > > > > > I know I could just create another superuser with "mailmanweb > > > createsuperuser" but I was wondering if there was a "mailmanweb" > > > command for *listing* superusers. > > > > > > If not, I'll just make another superuser... > > > > > > Second: > > > > > > I have the "example.com" error in the login screen. The > > > instructions > > > state that this is a problem with making SITE_ID=1. Okay, but I > > > don't > > > know what to change it to. I tried SITE_ID=2 on a lark and > > > everything > > > broke, and the instruction say not to do SITE_ID=0. Apparently > > > it > > > has > > > to be an integer (I also tried putting in site name and got that > > > error). So... where do I change it? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > billo > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > > > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > > Archived at: > > > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > > > > > This message sent to billo(a)billoblog.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > Archived at: > > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > > > This message sent to billo(a)billoblog.com > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to billo(a)billoblog.com

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] HyperKitty: discussions not updating, misreporting stats

by Cameron Smith

These are a couple of HyperKitty issues that I have talked about in August [1]. I’ve been doing a bit more experimentation in the last few days and am reporting my findings. The two issues are: — Missing messages: HyperKitty doesn’t show all of the messages in a discussion - Misreporting of discussion statistics: HyperKitty doesn’t update the number of participants and comments in a discussion I’m using the latest Docker setup. Neither of these issues are solved by updating or rebuilding indexes: sudo docker exec mailman-web ./manage.py update_index sudo docker exec mailman-web ./manage.py rebuild_index However, if I stop and then restart the containers (sudo docker-compose down; sudo docker-compose up -d), the discussion statistics are updated and properly display the number of participants and comments in all discussions. This does not, however, solve the problem of missing messages. I have discovered two methods of displaying the missing discussion messages: add a new message to the thread in HyperKitty; I’m not convinced that this works *every* time, but it at least works *most* times run the yearly cron job; this seems to work *every* time: sudo docker exec mailman-web ./manage.py runjobs yearly [1]: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… Cameron Smith

8 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Digest Formatting

by Stephen J. Turnbull

mailman(a)manygoodideas.com writes: > 1) Is there a way to trigger a digest for a user (for testing > purposes)? Specifically, is there a function that can be > revealed via the REST api to an interface like Postorius and > Affinity? You can't trigger a digest to an individual member (unless they're the only active digest subscriber to the list, of course, so you can experiment on a test list if it's not specific to a particular list). I thought there was a way to trigger immediate distribution of a digest immediately, but I guess I'm remembering that from Mailman 2. Neither the Postorius management interface nor the core documentation suggests there's such a trigger in Mailman 3. > > 2) I have customized list:member:digest:header, but am not seeing > the custom text where I thought it should be. The documentation > seems to imply that both list:member:digest:header and > list:member:digest:footer surround each message in the digest Which documentation do you mean? As far as I know (Mark will have authoritative information if I'm wrong), the digest header and footer appear at the top and bottom of the *whole* digest message (ie, once each per digest), not surrounding or in the bodies of the component messages.

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Weblate spanish translation of templates (was: Re: spanish localization)

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

On 14/2/21 2:42, Abhilash Raj wrote: > You can actually translate the templates in Weblate too. That is > actually the whole > reason to go with monolingual template format in Mailman Core. > > Mailman uses the template file's name as the msgid for translations > and all in-tree > templates are copied into English's .po file when we re-generate them. > > For example in here: > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/messages/es/LC… > > > The english .po file is considered as reference in Weblate and used > for source string. I want to contribute making it via Weblate, since it is already done via gitlab repository (thanks to Mark Sapiro for approving the merge requests), making a revision and editing them if needed, but I cannot see how to make it in a consistent way, as I cannot determine how to edit each template in the Weblate UI. I've tried to access via the file name (accessing via msgid as for your example) of the template... but I cannot access them by this way, or I'm missing something. Can you, please, point me in the right direction on how to do it?

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Lost in default style creation

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/2/22 02:44, kenneth.karlsson(a)eco.cept.org wrote: > > It shows me its there, then i proceed to quit() and go back in to the shell, and do this: >>>> quit() > ecoadmin@list01:/etc/mailman3$ sudo mailman shell > Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell > >>>> from zope.component import getUtility ... More recent versions of mailman shell will tell you what the problem is. ``` $ ./mailman shell Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. >>> ``` You need to exit the shell with control-D or issue a commit() before you exit. Also, NEVER run any `mailman` commands as root. Always run `mailman` as the Mailman user. Running `mailman` as root can create files owned by root that can't be read/modified by the Mailman user. More recent versions will tell you ``` $ sudo ./mailman Usage: mailman [OPTIONS] COMMAND [ARGS]... Try 'mailman -h' for help. Error: If you are sure you want to run as root, specify --run-as-root. ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postfix-Fehler mit mailman-web

by Jens Günther

Thank you Abhilash, probably it's hard to tell, but somehow the container started with a different IP now. Do you have any clew, how this can happen? The network part is as follows: networks: mailman: ipv4_address: 172.22.0.4 -> but it has 192.168.176.6 Thank you in advance. Am 28.08.23 um 14:11 schrieb Abhilash Raj: > On 8/28/23 13:51, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >> Jens Günther writes: >> >> > 2023-08-26T08:21:59.522238+02:00 postfix/smtpd[2843414]: NOQUEUE: >> > reject: RCPT from unknown[192.168.176.6]: 450 4.7.25 Client host >> > rejected: cannot find your hostname, [192.168.176.6]; >> > from=<$admin(a)mydomain.de> to=<$recipient> proto=ESMTP >> helo=<mailman-web> >> >> There are a bunch of $myxxxx variables in Postfix, I think $myhosts >> might be the right one. > > It should be under $mynetworks as per documentation: > > https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/#postfix > > Also, official postfix docs says the same: > > https://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to jens.guenther(a)posteo.de

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] after upgrade: OperationalError: no such column: hyperkitty_mailinglist.archive_rendering_mode

by Hans Mayer

Dear All, recently I did a system os upgrade debian 11.8 -> 12.4 / bullseye -> bookworm This did also upgrade Mailman3 version 3.3.3 -> 3.3.8 as a used the packages which came with Debian OS. Initially after the upgrade I had some troubles with the MM3 services to start, but I fixed this. Now almost everything is running. Only the Archives are not working. The browser shows a server error, when I look at the mailman-web.log I see ERROR 2024-01-31 15:14:14,403 2699563 django.request Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 84, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/sqlite3/base.py", line 423, in execute return Database.Cursor.execute(self, query, params) sqlite3.OperationalError: no such column: hyperkitty_mailinglist.archive_rendering_mode When I check the schema I find such a column in table "mailinglist" I assume there is only one solution, to uninstall and delete everything and start from scratch. Or is there a way the check all tables with a script and do an table update for missing columns ? Or a partial installation of hyperkitty, as I don't care about the archives. I am using sqlite3 as DB backend. Kind regards Hans --

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: user self registration

by Washington Odhiambo

On Sun, Dec 7, 2025 at 8:26 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/7/25 07:46, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-users wrote: > > Spammers have been registering and not subscribing. I want to turn off > the > > user self registration at https://lists.ccalternatives.org/mailman3/ . > > > > I edited /etc/mailman3/settings.py adding ACCOUNT_ALLOW_REGISTRATION = > False > > and restarted the services, but the ' Sign Up' option remains. I assume > > /etc/mailman3/settings.py is my active settings file. > > > > What am I doing wrong? > > Web searches may find reference to a django-allauth setting > ACCOUNT_ALLOW_REGISTRATION, but this setting doesn't exist in current > django-allauth > > The setting you want is > > ACCOUNT_ADAPTER = ‘django_mailman3.views.user_adapter.DisableSignupAdapter’ > > See https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/faq.html#how-to-disable-signup > or > > https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman-web/en/latest/settings.html#mail… Can this be done on a per-site or per-list basis? SITE_ID = 0 -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

7 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: adding imprint / private policy link to postorius

by Thomas Stein

Thanks Abhilash. Will have a look. On 2020-09-03 07:09, Abhilash Raj wrote: > On Tue, Sep 1, 2020, at 11:17 PM, Thomas Stein wrote: >> >> Hello one and all. >> >> Is it possible to add an imprint link to the postorius start page? I >> guess it is, but it would be >> nice if someone could me point to the right direction / documentation. >> Something like they have: >> >> https://lists.openrailwaymap.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ >> > > There isn't an official way to do that, but you can patch your > installation to update the footer. > > This[1] is the location and file you want to update and you can insert > simple HTML there. If you are using system packages it should be > somewhere in the `/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages` directory and > in `lib/site-packages` if you are using a virtualenv based > installation. > > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/blob/master/src/postorius/templates/… > >> cheers, t. >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >>

5 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: is there a mailman command/setting to periodically clean archives?

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/4/22 2:59 PM, David Newman wrote: > > As a followup: Is there any need or advantage to running both the > prototype and hyperkitty archivers? Only if you want to keep all the raw messages. HyperKitty only stores the message_id, subject, date, in_reply_to and sender information. Other header information is not stored in HyperKitty. The prototype archiver is intended to store messages to be delivered to some other third party archiver. > I did an installation following the venv directions, and it looks as > though the system now uses both archivers. > > If this is a duplication of effort and storage, is it safe to disable > the prototype archiver like this: > > # /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg > .. > [archiver.prototype] > enable: no > > and then delete anything under here? > > /opt/mailman/mm/var/archives/prototype/ Yes, but you also have to go through all the lists Settings -> Archiving pages and uncheck prototype under Active archivers. You could also do this with a database query like UPDATE listarchiver SET _is_enabled = 'f' WHERE name = 'prototype'; -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Managing users in postorius

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/25/24 11:08, Lieuallen, Thomas Otis wrote: > I don’t seem to have very much control with the site admin account. I’d like the ability to add a secondary address for a user instead of talking them through the process of doing it themselves. Is there a way that I’m not aware of? In the Django admin web UI under Email addresses, you can add an address and associate it with an existing user. > Additionally, when I look up users and choose ‘manage’, it only lists a person’s member roles. It doesn’t list any other roles (owner/admin, moderator, etc). Any way to fix that? It should list both member and nonmember rolls. If you scroll down past Subscriptions to Ownerships, it lists owner and moderator rolls. > I’m also curious what the process would be for merging two postorius accounts into one? My thought process was that I should remove one and then have the user add that email address to the other account. But, if you delete the account, it will unsubscribe the user. In the Django admin UI, you can edit the user associated with an email address under Email addresses -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problems with SPOOFED_UNAUTH

by M.Ede

Thanks, I will not do any DMARC mitigations for my list. When I switch to anonymous list, my Headers looks like this: [QUOTE] Authentication-Results: mailserv.er; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=t-online.de; spf=pass (mailserv.er: domain of sender(a)t-online.de designates 194.25.134.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=sender(a)t-online.de ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lists.serv.er; s=dkim; t=1757502340; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; b=D54tjBjp9YBqO6kFaKprYwbpPiyCzlyU7sBvXK54AYeXa0kmBg+KllbGMVKjJMQ++31e7l dwUlbBmEN5Ns9kvCCuWofA/YOxmeup3LEN1Ghzr76LsqCLS9TTyRmqbl5ubarlAZ7hcVOk tsWatA31S4IFBUTu9dFMu7X5F7Fb7KoOym6pkOIxD8cqIjT4VNGrx4QTjKQhxqthHaHBX0 cXSJzTGHv7b/tWuNp67kjYU5Hx2k4/V+K+Lvo7z2QMDJQ13vGmX2wTKbxcz0FI0VFCqOqy vXe8pbWmorINdqyajr7b3yPflq3vJK6TgcQ7hh7+jm7W0UY4E03L0JYfOfaIPg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mailserv.er; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=t-online.de; spf=pass (mailserv.er: domain of sender(a)t-online.de designates 194.25.134.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=sender(a)t-online.de ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=lists.serv.er; t=1757502340; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=c5OYJNi9bU8Nm6cUwzWwdWKUWD3TPRerBX9+cCbNDLztCG/RPlmefYu0ageNZePEagVu5/ wRv+aSB5Q6nFokbO3SYiKNPw7jQdoArp0qT5F+kuv9haAJYwLZmh9Em4ocSm1xbah6re4X Zj5OeLU0WgRqz+tvopwNVxKnjFKg9rEc7MN67KoghSvxjIwijaBlYRlrRh44JSIQiwzoXN 0O4jQ/YlaA9NF0wSEZYF1acfchRmC6igHEZF5255W0wlqTPwThcChwMWrn3F+rSqyngx9/ 9a61HHNQ2tLkWA9IE+3m/97WYttjmkFjcj2XFeSK5TXV93mPZ3TzmjtHO+t2NA== From: Testliste <testliste(a)lists.serv.er> [END QUOTE] So ARC signatures are present, FROM ist my list, but smtp.from is still the origininal sender -> SPOOFED_UNAUTH Ist there any possibility to change smtp.from or to remove it when using anonymous lists? (I habe found a solution to configure rspamd to whitelist my mailinglist, but I think there should be a better solution, right?)

10 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot Create New List

by Gerald Vogt

django3 does not come with python3. If it is installed it was either manually installed or it was installed by dependency. Run # apt-mark showmanual to see which packages you have installed manually. When you write "There is 'python3-django' installed outside of the venv." what do you mean exactly by that? Is the package python3-django installed? Is there a directory of that name? Is it installed? # dpkg -l \*django\* If it is, check # apt-cache rdepends --installed python3-django to find out why it has been installed. If it is not installed by a package but it is in a standard path, e.g. you have the file /usr/bin/django-admin then double check with # dpkg -S /usr/bin/django-admin to make sure it doesn't belong to any package. If the file is there but does not belong to any installed package, it wasn't cleaned out with autoremove nor purge, then you must have installed it in a different way. Then your system would be pretty messed up and I would highly recommend to start over again from scratch instead of trying to fix a broken system. It's always a big mess if some other non-packaged installation installs files into standard paths in conflict with package files... Cheers.

8 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Good MM hosts for customized code?

by Steven Clift

E-Democracy.org is plotting a test move from GroupServer.org (end of life coming) to MM3. We have certain technologies we've embedded into GroupServer, like volume based posting limits on our political forums (no more than X posts in y hours per member ... typically 2 or 3 posts in 24 hours), inserting standard "who made this post" in the email footer with links to the user profile for context assuming email is forwarded as well as the web archive url to that post. We know that we do not want to be in charge of email deliverability and we don't yet have an Mailman aficionado in our volunteer team. So ideally, we'd find the right Mailman host where we can use our own selected domain (@opengroups.org perhaps) and whether we hire coders to help out with custom tech OR have volunteer coders (interested in local online communities? AKA hate that Facebook and NextDoor host most of these, let me know :-) ), we'd like to have the right set up to allow us to experiment. Advice? Thoughts? Thanks, Steve Steven Clift <http://stevenclift.com> - Founder and Volunteer, E-Democracy.org clift(a)e-democracy.org - +1 612 234 7072 @Democracy <http://twitter.com/democracy> - Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/stevenlclift> - LinkedIn <http://linkedin.com/in/netclift>

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailing lists as the main collaboration centre at SME

by Dave McGuire

On 8/30/25 18:13, Rodrigo Camacho wrote: > Hello all, I own and run a small company (lanao.org) > > I am looking for companies which have put mailing lists not only as a form of general announcement but especially as the main way to collaborate. I am thinking of moving my team to a model like that and would love to read about some best practices or strong opposition to the idea. I am hopeful that out there there are companies which have resisted the Microsoft Teams virus. > > If your company uses mailing lists to run, please reach out. We are currently using Gitlab issues to collaborate which has been quite successful. I would be very interested to trade tips. I run a public museum; our team uses (MM3-based) mailing lists for collaboration and coordination. It works well, though I've found that everyone under the age of about 40 says "Hey we should do this on Discord!" ...to which I flatly reply "NO." (it is good to be the boss) But the fact remains that it works very well, and it's very good (for our use case) to have the history. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Avoiding non-members to be saved.

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

On 8/8/21 11:51, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users writes: > > > I find it very convenient too, but it concerns me that spammers, > > really "profesional" spammers and senders of phising mail change > > the forged address and sender domain too rapidly to track them. As > > of it, the non-member database is growing more and more. It could > > be a "monster" in two or three years... > > Well, let's think that out. I think we allocate a 255-byte text field > for email addresses, another 255 bytes for display names, and I can't > imagine that including the rest of the data fills as much as 1k, even > including indicies and other database optimization overhead. So if > you get a million spam messages to your lists, each from a unique > address, that's only one gigabyte. To get a million spam messages in > three years, you'd need to get almost a thousand per day that get > through your MTA's filters to Mailman's moderation queue, which is the > only place this automatic construction of nonmembers takes place. I > think your moderators would let you know about that long before your > disk fills up. You are absolutely right. I am the problem... well, my background of developing from the eighties of the last century, when 1k (no mistake here) meaned a difference. > > I'm not making fun of you, Never thought that. > I'm explaining why I don't think this is a > high priority for us, and why you don't need to worry about monster > databases, either: the human resources just for looking at the queue, > let alone taking action, will be a constraint long before the disk or > CPU consumption for the address database is. If there's something > wrong with my analysis, let me know, but as far as I can see, if the > spam flood to your lists gets to that scale, the first worries are > denial of service and admin exhaustion. As usual, the best answer is > to stop the barbarians at the gate (ie, the MTA). Yes... that's the point where I expurge most of that (discarding completely email from domains that will never send a legitimate email to our lists, and in a few cases entire .XXX areas) to "normal" addresses. But I have to confess that I relayed in the mailman control of subscriptions for that in the lists. And it all went well until I made a security hole with one non-member address > > I guess if the list is configured to automatically discard all posts > from non-members, we could optimize away the non-member creation. But > this seems like a relatively rare case, and if there were non-local > bans on addresses, it might not be a good idea anyway. And that's exactly the case of the list where a malicious mail get into: it's a private list with "discard all non subscribers addresses", but there was a legacy address imported from mailman 2 that had permission to send mails (and I was not aware)... and a bastard spammer forged it (well, it was one of many tries with different origin addresses). My fault completely. But this is a unique case in now more than 8 months using mailman3 (and more than 12 years using mailman). Being that list private and non publicily available, I suspect that one subscriber address book has been hijacked, and I can expect some crap from a forged subscriber address. But that is another story... Thanks a lot, again, for all your explanations and good work. I'm always grateful to all of you. > > In theory, we could even arrange to do the lookup at moderation time, > although we currently do it at mail receipt time. That would allow a > moderator to ban the addressee on list A and then not even see the > post when they go to check on list B. I suspect even professional > spammers don't bother to create a unique sender address for each > recipient! Obviously, this kind of service would require putting the > nonmember addresses in the database, at least temporarily. > > Steve > --

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] [Mailman-Users] Listservers currently hosted with EMWD - urgent request for assistance

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Note: Reply-To set to mailman-users(a)mailman3.org. Please check that any replies are addressed to that list, and not mailman-users(a)python.org. Jonathan, FWIW, I haven't heard anything. I have 3 students submitting MS/PhD theses in less than (checks watch) 18 hours, but after that I'll see if I can find out anything. I wouldn't bet on it, though, as I don't think anyone here has a connection to the Carpenter family or whoever is left of the EMWD staff. I assume you have checked the emwd.com website? > We have our listservers hosted with EMWD which stopped working on > 23 December. What does "stopped working" mean? I assume that list traffic is no longer being forwarded to subscribers, but perhaps other services are working. It may help if you can answer the following questions. 1. Are you using the GNU Mailman-supplied Postorius/HyperKitty combination for administration and archiving, or EMWD's proprietary "Harmony" (Affinity/Empathy) platform? 2. Can you see archives (if any)? 3. Can you log in to the administrative interface? 4. Is mail to the lists being returned to sender, or just disappearing into the void? 5. You mention an automated response in a later message. Is that to an email you sent, or from a web-based issue-tracking system? What does it say about the current status of EMWD services, if anything? Regards, Steve > We have since found out the devastating news that > Brian Carpenter passed away last year. Brian was really helpful > when we moved our listservers from a legacy system to hosting on > the EMWD platform. My sincere condolences to his family and > friends. > > As we can no longer get a response from EMWD about our listserver issue I was wondering if any one else in this community could help. > > Many thanks. > > Jonathan > > Jonathan Ashby > ICT Strategic Communications Project Manager > Londonwide LMCs and Londonwide Enterprise Ltd > Working days: Tuesday and Wednesday > Direct dial: 020 3818 6228 > Mobile: 07768 109601 > Fax: 020 7383 7442 > Email: jonathan.ashby(a)lmc.org.uk > Web: www.lmc.org.uk > Twitter: @LondonwideLMCs > > > > ---------------------------- > Visit www.lmc.org.uk/coronavirus-covid-19 for the latest official resources and guidance on covid-19. > > Remember that you can use WhatsApp and FaceTime for online consultations as well as the usual online tools. > 🌲 Think of the environment. Do you really need to print this email? > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please accept our apologies and notify the sender. > > The registered and office address for Londonwide Local Medical Committees Limited is: Tavistock House South, Tavistock Square, London WC1H 9LG. Registered in England No: 6391298. > > Londonwide Enterprise Limited is a wholly owned subsidiary of Londonwide Local Medical Committees Limited. Londonwide Enterprise Limited is registered at: Tavistock House South, Tavistock Square, London WC1H 9LG. Registered in England No. 6990874. Londonwide Enterprise Limited is registered as a Company Limited by Shares. VAT no: 130 1454 66. > > Londonwide Local Medical Committees Limited and Londonwide Enterprise Limited do not provide legal or financial advice and thereby excludes all liability howsoever arising in circumstances where any individual, person or entity has suffered any loss or damage arising from the use of information provided by Londonwide Local Medical Committees Limited and Londonwide Enterprise Limited in circumstances where professional legal or financial advice ought reasonably to have been obtained. > > Londonwide Local Medical Committees Limited and Londonwide Enterprise Limited provide guidance and support to GPs and practice teams in the Londonwide area. Additionally Londonwide Local Medical Committees Limited provides representation to GPs and practice teams in the Londonwide area. Londonwide Local Medical Committees Limited and Londonwide Enterprise Limited strongly advises individuals or practices to obtain independent legal or financial advice. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Any known limit of number of lists that one can be owner/member of?

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/8/19 3:33 AM, Alan So wrote: > We have just migrated hundreds of lists from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3. It was smooth in most of the cases. However, we just notice that there are some abnormal behaviour of Postorius for particular users who are owner/member of a large number of lists. We further look into a particular user who is owner of 84 lists. When the user login Postorius, only 50 lists are displayed no matter what the number of "Results per page" is chosen. Prev/Next page cannot be clicked as there is only 1 page. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/335> > When I use the following mailman client snippet, it also displays the same 50 lists: > > lists = client.find_lists('xxx(a)yyy.com', 'owner') > for m_list in lists: > print(m_list.fqdn_listname) > > Did we hit any limit of find_lists? Is it a bug or are something wrong during the migration? find_lists defaults to count=50. What happens if you do lists = client.find_lists('xxx(a)yyy.com', 'owner', count=100) -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Documentation for transferiering a list between mm3 and mm3

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/26/21 10:09 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > On 2/26/21 11:50 AM, Johannes Winter wrote: >> I didn't find any documentation on how to export list data from mm3 and >> import it into another mm3 instance. Have I missed something, or is it >> yet nonexistant? > > If you are referring to List Settings, then I don't think you can. As > Peter pointed out, you can export/import your list roster but I don't > believe that includes moderators/owners which is problematic. If you > wanted to migrate archives, then you can download an entire archive via > Hyperkitty which is exported in mbox format. You can then import that > mbox file into your new Mailman 3 list. Brian is correct. Essentially, you would need to run database queries to get all the relevant data from the database and then add it to the database of the new instance. A tool could be created to do the export and import, but it doesn't currently exist unless some user has developed one and not reported it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Changing subscription address

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Abhilash Raj writes: > The existing subscription workflow is a multi-step process that can be > paused and resumed. We pause when we send out a confirmation > email and then resume when that confirmation token is somehow > processed via email or API. So, post receiving the confirmation and > before actually subscribing, we can se the address as primary if the > user doesn’t have one and subscribe user as inhert. We don’t do any > of that if user already has chosen a primary address and it doesn’t > match the current address. OK, it sounds like we're thinking basically the same process, just using slightly different words to describe it (and mine have definitely been inaccurate about current logic at points, adding to the confusion :-P ). > Also, mass-subscribe and import does allow you to verify an address by > clicking this “Pre-verified” checkbox, which can be useful if you are > migrating from a different service or you exported a list of users from > somewhere you know to be valid. I wasn't aware of that. I haven't yet done a mass-subscribe from Postorius (I have a bunch of scripts for generating mailing lists from student rosters and just retargeted them to the REST API :-). Steve

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installation -- error on mailman-web migrate

by Mark Dale

An update. More on following the installation instructions at: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst… ========== I found the mailmanweb.log at "/opt/mailman/mm/var/logs" rather than "/opt/mailman/web/logs". So I edited the file -- /etc/mailman3/settings.py ... #STATIC_ROOT = '/opt/mailman/web/static' STATIC_ROOT = '/opt/mailman/mm/var/static' #LOGGING['handlers']['file']['filename'] = '/opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log' LOGGING['handlers']['file']['filename'] = '/opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/mailmanweb.log' ... and re-ran the "mailman-web migrate" ... root@mx:~# su mailman (venv) mailman@mx:/root$ mailman-web migrate ... and then at the beginning of many errors printed to screen I now have... /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django_q/conf.py:139: UserWarning: Retry and timeout are misconfigured. Set retry larger than timeout, failure to do so will cause the tasks to be retriggered before completion. See https://django-q.readthedocs.io/en/latest/configure.html#retry for details. Completely not comprehending the above doc (and being absolutely clueless about django), I blindly added "retry: 30" ... root@mx:~# nano -c /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django_q/tests/settings.py # Django Q specific Q_CLUSTER = { "name": "django_q_test", "cpu_affinity": 1, "testing": True, "log_level": "DEBUG", "django_redis": "default", "retry": 30, } ... but no joy. Is it me or are there some pieces missing from the documentation?

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: username

by bryan.kartzman＠yu.edu

Thank you Steve for your reply. I have created from scratch in mailman 3 all the lists that were on the old mailman 2 server. So now I would like to pre-populate Django users for all the moderators and owners by creating accounts using their University NET account name and linking them to their University email address (what I used for their owner/moderator address). Unfortunately, its not simple because their NET username is a short, up to 8 character, username whereas their email address is first.last(a)yu.edu. I have access to the university database which correlates both so I will be able to feed both to whatever script will do this. The university does use SSO for many applications and I was asked by upper management of the IT department to try and implement it here. I'm still trying to understand your reply to my SSO question from last week (my SSO knowledge is limited and I'll have to read up on Shibboleth, SAML, as well as Django) so for now I'm thinking to not use SSO so that I can get things started and then transition to SSO later. If you have any pointers as to where to read up on SSO, SAML, Shibboleth and also on Django please point me in the right direction.

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Automatic migration from Mailman 2.1 (Debian buster) to Mailman 3 (Debian bookworm)

by schaefer＠alphanet.ch

Hello, I already have some success in auto-migration from Mailman 2.1 (Debian buster) to Mailman 3 (Debian bookworm), using a new container (not upgrading the existing installation, which is obsolete e.g. 32 bit x86). I am doing this using custom scripts. The idea being to be able to import most of the existing configuration and archives, let the list administrators test the new system, and progressively advertise this to users. Then, the old container will be disabled. The basic stuff works (From: domain is OK, HTTP transport works, mail go out, etc) I however bumped into the following problem: How may I automatically (from the command line) replace the example.com which is displayed in the web interface and in the From: comment field of the e-mails (the address itself is OK) -- I only found documentation about changing through the GUI so far. Any pointer? Also, I have a question: if I import my 2.1 config for each ml, will DKIM work-arounds work (e.g. replace This User <user@domain> by This User user@domain <the-mailing-list>) ? Will Mailman 2.1 it required some config changes and also I had to modify mailman using a Debian diversion, AFAIR. Thank you for any input.

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Django-allauth compatibility (ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD and ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED)

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/14/25 11:50, Jan Eden via Mailman-users wrote: > > – and solved them with the additions to /etc/mailman3/settings.py > suggested by Mark: > > del ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD > ACCOUNT_LOGIN_METHODS = {'email', 'username'} I suggested the above. > del ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED > ACCOUNT_SIGNUP_FIELDS = ['email*', 'username*', 'password1*', 'password2*'] I didn't suggest these. That was from another poster in that thread. We don't set ACCOUNT_SIGNUP_FIELDS = ['email*', 'username*', 'password1*', 'password2*'] in mailman_web/settings/mailman.py because the default is ACCOUNT_SIGNUP_FIELDS = ['username*', 'email', 'password1*', 'password2*'] and that plus ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED = True is the same thing. However, it appears that there is a deprecation warning with django-allauth >= 65.5. I haven't seen this because the sites I manage are all using django-allauth 65.4.1 So to avoid the deprecations with django-allauth >= 65.5 it is appropriate to drop ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED and set ACCOUNT_SIGNUP_FIELDS = ['email*', 'username*', 'password1*', 'password2*'] However, that setting doesn't exist in django-allauth < 65.5 so we also need to require django-allauth >= 65.5. I will do this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: My Server is unable to connect to Mailman REST API few times

by Shashikanth Komandoor

Dear Mark, As I already said, your suggestion worked well on one list. But when I tried to implement the same trick on another list, I found the below error messages in the mailman.log. > * Sep 23 18:31:31 2020 (22951) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno > 2] No such file or directory: > '/var/lib/mailman/mailman/var/lists/press.dpr-pb.lsmgr.nic.in/digest.mmdf > <http://press.dpr-pb.lsmgr.nic.in/digest.mmdf>'* > > > *Sep 23 18:31:31 2020 (22951) Traceback (most recent call last):* > * File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/mailbox.py", line 581, in __init__* > * f = open(self._path, 'rb+')* > *FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/var/lib/mailman/mailman/var/lists/press.dpr-pb.lsmgr.nic.in/digest.mmdf > <http://press.dpr-pb.lsmgr.nic.in/digest.mmdf>'* > *During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:* > *Traceback (most recent call last):* > * File "/var/lib/mailman/mailman/src/mailman/core/runner.py", line 173, > in _one_iteration* > * self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata)* > * File "/var/lib/mailman/mailman/src/mailman/core/runner.py", line 266, > in _process_one_file* > * keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)* > * File "/var/lib/mailman/mailman/src/mailman/runners/pipeline.py", line > 37, in _dispose* > * process(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)* > * File "/var/lib/mailman/mailman/src/mailman/core/pipelines.py", line 50, > in process* > * handler.process(mlist, msg, msgdata)* > * File "/var/lib/mailman/mailman/src/mailman/handlers/to_digest.py", line > 47, in process* > * with Mailbox(mailbox_path, create=True) as mbox:* > * File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/mailbox.py", line 893, in __init__* > * _mboxMMDF.__init__(self, path, factory, create)* > * File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/mailbox.py", line 585, in __init__* > * f = open(self._path, 'wb+')**FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such > file or directory: > '/var/lib/mailman/mailman/var/lists/press.dpr-pb.lsmgr.nic.in/digest.mmdf > <http://press.dpr-pb.lsmgr.nic.in/digest.mmdf>'* > > I ran in both the ways you suggested i.e. through "mailman shell" and "mailman remove". But no luck. Could you please suggest me at this point ? <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 10:29 PM Shashikanth Komandoor < shashikanth.komandoor(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Thank you Mark a lot. > > It worked awesome. You don't know how much you helped me. > > Thank you once again. > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> > <#m_8502129290396208734_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 8:56 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> On 9/19/20 4:32 AM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: >> > >> > But I am trying to delete a list on an urgent basis. Because of which I >> am >> > getting the above said errors. I tried to delete >> > through the interface, through curl command and through "mailman shell" >> but >> > nothing led me to a >> > positive result. Is there any work around to delete the list ? >> >> What have you tried in Mailman shell? This should do it. >> >> $ mailman shell -l list.example.com >> Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell >> Use commit() to commit changes. >> Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. >> Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. >> The variable 'm' is the list.example.com mailing list >> >>> getUtility(IListManager).delete(m) >> >>> commit() >> >> So should just >> >> $ mailman remove list.example.com >> >> What happens if you do those? >> >> -- >> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, >> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >> > > > -- > Thanks & Regards, > Shashi Kanth.K > 9052671936 > > > > -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Filter who can send on mailman3 list?

by marcus.granath＠gmail.com

Hi! I have a mailman3 mailing list which I admin, and I would like setup the following rule. Me and 3 of my team mates (who are part of the mailman3 list) should be able to send on the list as well as an "no-reply" user, others on the mailman3 list should only be able to receive the e-mails (and of course be able to unsubscribe themself). Both the: "Default action to take when a non-member posts to thelist" and the "Default action to take when a member posts to the list" is set to "Default processing", and I tried to setup actions in the "Header Filters" - but no really success.. :-( So what I basically try do achieve is to have only the following addresses to be allowed to send announcements (e-mails) on the mailman3 list, and all others that are member of the mailman3 list will just receive the e-mails. The usual "announcements" are sent out as the "no-reply" address (that actually are not really part of the mailman3 list) ;-) no-reply(a)abc.com ("fake address" that actually are not really part of the mailing-list) peter(a)abc.com david(a)abc.com marcus(a)abc.com How to achieve this kind of filter with mailman3?

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Filter who can send on mailman3 list?

by Marcus Granath

It seems like the version used is: Postorius Version 1.1.2 The menus I can see are the following: Info Subscription requests Held messages Members Settings Mass operations Banned addresses Header filters Delete list And from the "Members" I can select "Subscribers", "Moderators", "Owners" - so I can manage to delete "subscribers" and add somebody as Moderator or Owner for my list. But I cannot find anywhere to set or add something like "non-member". What I basically want to achieve is that my "sendmail" script (executed from linux) will send announce-mails to this mailing list - and will set an "pseudo-address" (not my own name and address) as sender of this e-mail, i.e "ABC Announcement <no-reply(a)abc.com>" - and to get this "pseudo-mail" to be one of the accepted users (together with me and some team mates with real addresses) to send on the list - one option I understood was to use the "non-member" user for this "ABC Announcement <no-reply(a)abc.com>". But in my web-interface (as described above), I cannot find where to add and manage such user (non-member). Or can I use some other API (then the web-page) to do that kind of operation? ;-)

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 not working following distribution upgrade from Debian 10 to 11.

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/4/22 14:54, gordon(a)dickens.com wrote: > Hi Mark, > > Thanks very much for your prompt and helpful reply! > > I made the change to the mailman3 configuration for Apache that you recommended since I am using uwsgi. Now, I am able to start/status/stop the mailman3-web service without errors. However, now, when I then attempt to access the mailman installation on my server with my browser, I get the following message in the browser window: > > Internal Server Error > > I am unable to find any errors in the mailman3 logs or in the Apache error logs. However the Apache access logs have the following: > > 173.165.166.34 - - [04/Feb/2022:17:06:20 -0500] "GET /mailman3 HTTP/1.1" 500 21 > > Do you have any idea as to what is going on now? Any suggestions for troubleshooting this? Without more log info, I don't know what the issue is. Have you looked in /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log and /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log? Possibly there is a uwsgi log somewhere in /var/log that might have something relevant. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: (Custom) Plugins: Proper file path(s) for adding a handler?

by Thomas Ward

On 10/24/23 18:53, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On October 24, 2023 3:47:10 PM PDT, Thomas Ward via Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: >> On 10/24/23 18:29, Mark Sapiro wrote: >>> What if you try this with `mailman-web shell`? >>> >> Doesn't error on load, but can't access configs in order to see if my custom handler is present. Which Abhilash said has to be done in the mailman shell - as does the documentation. Mailman can't even start with this added. Which is a problem. > > I was confused. I should have said ` mailman shell`, not `mailman-web shell`. Insert "circular problem" here. When I DO NOT have the module loaded in the configuration, `mailman shell` works. Since that was functional, I went into the shell and executed this: > from mailman_customizations.hooks import MailmanCustomizations This worked fine, but obviously importing the class doesn't necessarily *activate* the class. So something is up with how I'm *supposed* to activate the plugin in the config, and we know that it's visible to Mailman in its shell, but it can't autoload it. So, again, not sure where to look next for debugging. Thomas

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Welcome message template errors

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/26/24 17:04, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Mark Sapiro wrote: >> I just did a test on my development system and I see the same timeout >> error, so it's not just you. I'll work on this. ... > I also note that this timeout only occurs when it is a subscription via > REST. I.e. subscription via email or `mailman addmembers` sends the > proper welcome message. > > So it has something to do with the retrieval being done by a rest > runner, but I still don't know what the underlying issue is. More strangeness. I've now done a test on one of the production servers I manage, and there is no error. Both the production server and the development server are running the identical Mailman code installed in a venv, they both have the same version of urllib3 and similar Python versions, 3.9.16 on the development server and 3.9.10 on the production server. Both servers are running under Ubuntu 20.04.6. The only other difference I see is on the production server everything runs as user mailman and on the development server everything runs as user mark. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Trying to understand the mailman.cfg from the virtualenv installation guide

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/8/24 01:04, unite42--- via Mailman-users wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to install Mailman3 following the Virtualenv Installation guide. I would like to understand why the configurations in the displayed mailman.cfg are recommended. > > Especially the following two: > > [archiver.prototype] > enable: yes > > "The prototype archiver stores messages individually in > var/archives/prototype/LIST_NAME/." > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > Do I need this, when using hyperkitty? Is this a fail-safe recommendation? The prototype archiver is separate from and independent of HyperKitty. If you are using HyperKitty as an archiver, you don't need the prototype archiver. Note however that if the prototype archiver is not enabled, it can't be used at all, but if it is enabled, it can still be enabled or disabled on a per-list basis. > [mta] > verp_confirmations: yes > verp_personalized_deliveries: yes > verp_delivery_interval: 1 > > What is the background of these recommendations? These settings enable VERP for all list messages. This results in more reliable bounce processing. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot Create New List

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/1/25 10:20, dap1--- via Mailman-users wrote: > I'm trying to create a list (on Ubuntu) and I'm getting this: > > <venv> $ python3 > Python 3.12.3 (main, Aug 14 2025, 17:47:21) [GCC 13.3.0] on linux > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>>> owners = ['xxxx(a)ddddddddd.net'] >>>> from mailman.app.lifecycle import create_list >>>> ant = create_list('llllllllllllll(a)dddddddd.net', owners) > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman/app/lifecycle.py", line 74, in create > _list > getUtility(IEmailValidator).validate(fqdn_listname) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/zope/component/_api.py", line 180, in getUtil > ity > raise ComponentLookupError(interface, name) > zope.interface.interfaces.ComponentLookupError: (<InterfaceClass mailman.interfaces.address.IEmailVa > lidator>, '') I'm not sure why this doesn't work, but it probably will if you do it in `mailman shell` which defines a lot of things for you. However, it is much simpler to just use the `mailman create` command to create a list. See `mailman create --help` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 months

[MM3-users] Re: setup of URLs

by pmlists＠free.fr

> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Peter Münster wrote: > This patch should do what you want: > > ``` > index a5ea108..bff54f3 100644 > --- a/example_project/urls.py > +++ b/example_project/urls.py > @@ -25,11 +25,10 @@ try: > except ImportError: > from django.urls import reverse_lazy > from django.views.generic import RedirectView > +from postorius.views.list import list_index > > urlpatterns = [ > - url(r'^$', RedirectView.as_view( > - url=reverse_lazy('list_index'), > - permanent=True)), > + url(r'^$', list_index), > url(r'^postorius/', include('postorius.urls')), Thank you. I've modified the patterns a bit, so that links to the list index, point also to "/": urlpatterns = [ url(r'^postorius/', include('postorius.urls')), url(r'^archive/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), url(r'', include('django_mailman3.urls')), url(r'^accounts/', include('allauth.urls')), url(r'^admin/', include(admin.site.urls)), url(r'^$', list_index, name='list_index'), ] > Just as an FYI, my browser would always re-direct me to /posotrius/lists, even after I > applied this patch, not sure if it was some sort of caching or something else. If it's Firefox, then you can right-click on the site in the history window, and select "Forget about this site". (Strange: I did not get your message by email. For this reply I use the web-interface.) -- Peter

8 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 postorius cannot retrieve template

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/2/21 3:28 PM, Wolfgang Bock via Mailman-users wrote: > > I get an db-entry in the mailman3 table template which doesnt lead to a > suitable link: > https://localhost/postorius/api/templates/list/testliste01.mydomain.de/list: > member:regular:footer > > In the next stept it leads to a flood of entries in my syslog because django > is asking for a certificate match for "localhost": > Nov 2 11:47:49 myserver mailman3[175334]: Nov 02 11:47:49 2021 (175334) > Certificate did not match expected hostname: localhost. Certificate: ... > > Letsencrypt cannot deliver this match for "localhost", it is impossible to > configurate letsencrypt to do so. > > The running script must create a postgres INSERT database command which > includes the correct domain-name including the correct path > .../mailman3/api/templates .... and not ... postorius/api/.... > > I dont know, where is the place to correct this. > - in mailman-web.py ?? > ... > ALLOWED_HOSTS ... '*' > or > MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = 'http://localhost:8001' > or > POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://localhost/mailman3/' If you normally access Postorius on your site at something like https://www.example.com/postorius, than set that as POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Digests not working correctly

by Joel Lord

Now I'm on one of the lists in digest mode and I can see that it's a mess. Periodic digests are definitely NOT working, so I'll lay that out here. root@host2:/# cat /etc/cron.d/mailman # This goes in /etc/cron.d/mailman # Replace "apache" by your webserver user ("www-data" on Debian systems) and # set the path to the Django project directory 0 23 * * * lists /usr/local/bin/mailman digests --periodic 0 23 * * * lists /usr/local/bin/mailman notify root@host2:/# grep digests /var/log/cron.log Jun 11 23:00:01 host2 CRON[1632765]: (lists) CMD (/usr/local/bin/mailman digests --periodic) Jun 12 23:00:01 host2 CRON[2177286]: (lists) CMD (/usr/local/bin/mailman digests --periodic) root@host2:/home/members/directory# su - lists lists@host2:~$ /usr/local/bin/mailman digests --periodic lists@host2:~$ ls var/lists/<list>/ digest.mmdf In this case I've got /usr/local/bin/mailman as a symlink to the mailman binary inside the venv's bin directory, just for simplicity. That digest.mmdf file is dated June 9th and clearly ought to have been cleared out on any of the nightly runs between then and today but has not. There are no errors anywhere I can find. How can I try and track this down? -Joel On 6/4/2023 10:15 PM, Joel Lord wrote: > The May 4th digest that went out was _also_ size-triggered, so this may > have nothing to do with periodic digests at all, and possibly my > periodic digests aren't working. I'm not on any of my own lists in > digest mode, I'm slowly extracting diagnostic information out of people > who are. Also, since this is a ~2 month cycle, it's really difficult to > get data points to work with. I'll need to remember to go in and look > when this settles down again (new cycle of activity started last night) > to see if there's anything left pending. > > (venv) root@host2:/home/lists/mailman/venv/bin# pip freeze | grep -i hyper > HyperKitty==1.3.7 > > On 6/4/2023 10:05 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> On 6/4/23 18:35, Joel Lord wrote: >>> >>> The periodic digests do seem to be coming out. I also now have >>> confirmation that the one message in this morning's digest that was >>> from May 4th was also included in the last digest back on May 4th, so >>> it seems that the one message was left behind in the digest queue >>> when the periodic digest was sent. >> >> I don't see how that can happen. The process that sends a digest >> renames the var/lists/<list-id>/digest.mmdf mailbox file in which the >> messages are accumulated to >> var/lists/<list-id>/digest.<volume>.<issue>.mmdf, where <volume> and >> <issue> are the volume and issue numbers of that digest, and then >> queues a message in the `digest` queue to tell the digest runner to >> create the digest from the messages in that mbox and send it. Thus, it >> leaves no var/lists/<list-id>/digest.mmdf mailbox file behind and that >> is created anew when the next post arrives. Further, if there is a >> non-empty digest.mmdf file, its messages should be sent no later than >> the next 11 PM `cron digests`. >> >> >>> There was one earlier message to the list back on May 4th, before the >>> one that got duplicated, but I can't tell if that triggered a >>> size-based digest to be sent: the logs aren't clear enough on that >>> detail for me to tell > >> >> OK >> >> >>> Just to inform things: >>> >>> (venv) lists@host2:~/mailman/venv/bin$ pip freeze | grep mailman >>> django-mailman3==1.3.9 >>> mailman==3.3.8 >>> mailman-hyperkitty==1.2.1 >>> mailman-web==0.0.6 >>> mailmanclient==3.3.5 >>> (venv) lists@host2:~/mailman/venv/bin$ pip freeze | grep hyper >>> mailman-hyperkitty==1.2.1 >> >> Actually, it's HyperKitty, not hyperkitty, but I assume HyperKitty is >> up to date as are the others. >> >>> (venv) lists@host2:~/mailman/venv/bin$ pip freeze | grep post >>> postorius==1.3.8 >>> >>> >> > -- Joel Lord

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Postorius with screen readers

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Andrew Hodgson writes: > Just wanting to let people know that since bumping to Postorius > 1.3.3 I am seeing a real improvement in access to the Mailman > settings and tabs using a screen reader with Chrome. Thanks for telling us! > When navigating through the tabs you are hearing two iterations of > the tab, the first for example saying "Held Messages 0 tab" which > is not a link, but then if you arrow down past that you hear "Held > Messages 0" which is advertised as a link and if you hit enter on > those it changes the page to the requested view. I don't think we have accessibility specialists among the developers, although several of us care deeply about it. So I'd like to confirm: the two iterations, one telling you you are on a tab, the other telling you you have a link, is a good thing? Would it be better if you got one notification that there is a tab with a link on it? I don't know if there is anything we can do about that, since our accessibility features come from the Django framework. But I'd like to improve my awareness and knowledge of how these features work for our users in Mailman. Steve

6 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Apache+mod_wsgi issue

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sun, Dec 25, 2022 at 5:13 PM Stephen J. Turnbull < stephenjturnbull(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Odhiambo Washington writes: > > > > Besides mod_wsgi as Mark suggests and the uwsgi configuration, the > > > only thing I can think of is an Apache rewrite rule. It's not in the > > > Postorius and HyperKitty templates. > > > > And I do not have any rewrite rules in my VHOST config: > > > > https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/9MRMJST9zZ/ > > Is there a mod_wsgi.conf file? I've never seen this "mysterious" > insertion of "/mailman3" in URLs. I'm trying to imagine where > mod_wsgi would get it from, and just can't think of why that would be > in mod_wsgi or its .load or .conf files in the Apache config. The > maintainable place for URL configuration is the main apache.conf or a > site-specific include file such as sites-available/mailman.conf. I > guess it could be in an instance-specific configuration file or stanza > of uwsgi to create a namespace. > > Steve > There is none that is in use anywhere. Only /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Set member.moderation_action via REST API as part of message approval?

by Andy Matthews

After reading Mark's comments it seems like a good approach, knowing that a moderator has explicitly chosen to "always accept" a post from a user, would be to first create that user record (including setting the `moderation_action` property to `defer`—as Mark indicates) , before approving their email. That way when the message itself is approved the user record is already included. And then we don't have any need to explicitly update the list's `accept_these_nonmembers` property because we've already set the `moderation_action` on the user. Does that sound like an acceptable approach? And a follow up question: at the moment we don't explicitly create users, we simply subscribe them to a list, and allow the implicit processes to do their magic. However if I wanted to manually create a nonmember, would I "create a user" or would I "subscribe a user to a list" with a role of `nonmember`? Which brings up an additional question. Is the `moderation_action` list-specific or does it apply to all lists from the same domain? To be clear, if abc(a)123.com's `moderation_action` is set to "defer" for **open-list(a)foo.bar** would that setting also apply to **another-open-list(a)foo.bar**?

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: FW: lists.arun@gmail.com's bounce score incremented on Degrowcali

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/6/25 07:38, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-users wrote: > Whenever I post to this list I get quite a few of these bounce score > messages. How can I obtain a list of actual unsubcribes based on bounce > scores to remaining subscribers please? What can I do to stop this behavior > please? The sending of bounce score incremented notices is controlled by the list's bounce_notify_owner_on_bounce_increment setting exposed in Postorius as Settings -> Bounce Processing -> Notify owner on bounce increment. All bounce processing settings are in Postorius' Settings -> Bounce Processing section. The Users -> members list in Postorius displays the current bounce score for all members. The head of the GitLab branch, not yet released, also displays the member's delivery status, see https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/953. Disabling delivery due to bounces is logged in Mailman's bounce.log with messages like Disabling delivery for user(a)example.com on list mailman-users.mailman3.org by bounce Members whose delivery is disabled by bounce will normally be removed from the list after (Bounce disabled warnings interval)*(Bounce disable warnings) days. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Member Issue Discovered

by Brian Carpenter

On 10/19/20 11:32 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/19/20 7:42 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> On 10/19/20 10:23 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >>> And the import21 created the user and address records for this user. >> Does the same thing for a new subscriber as well. So there is no pathway >> to change a real name that is associated with an email address. None. >> Zilch. Mailman 2 made this so easy and Mailman 3 made it impossible. I >> will let someone else file the bug report. You don't really think that >> this is an issue which means it will be years before it is addressed. So >> I will save me some time. I will learn to live with it. > > I didn't say I didn't think it was a real issue. I mostly questioned > whether a new subscription should change an existing display_name. I > agree that there should be a way for a user to change the display_name > associated with her address. I'm not so sure about a list admin. Respectively, I think you are asking the wrong question here. The real question is why isn't a display_name being removed when a list subscriber is unsubscribed. Also list members being forced into a powerless role by Mailman 3's architecture have no way of changing a name except through a list owner unless they register an account but then again, *even that doesn't allow them to change their display name*. There are also other use cases in which a list owner will want to identify portions of their membership roster through the use of the display_name. Most list members interact with a Mailing list program via email. I know you understand that. However it is List owners that are the "real" power users of Mailman and so the admin interface should be designed in such a way that empowers List owners. Taking the ability away from List owners (and List members to make), what should be a simple name change, weakens them. > And in any case, I'm only one person. I'm not the only one deciding > what's important and what's not. I only decide what I want to work on, > not what anyone else thinks is important or wants to work on, so even if > I think something is not worth doing, that doesn't mean it won't get > done, and once again for emphasis, I do thing a user should be able to > change the display name associated with her address(es). Again I think we are missing something here from this conversation: data is not being removed. A list subscriber being removed (unsubscribed) should have their information totally removed. It is not. I now have one list owner who realizes this and it is not good. How does this not violate GDPR? This is why I think all the mailman developers ought to make this issue a high priority. It is creepy to see a name returned out of nowhere when someone resubscribes to a list without associating a name with a second resubscribing. I think this puts List owners at a disadvantage. > > Mailman 3 is totally different from Mailman 2.1 in this respect. Mailman > 2.1 had no concept of user. All it knew was addresses subscribed to > lists and an address subscribed to one list had no connection to the > same address subscribed to another list or being an owner or moderator > of a list. I think this should still be the case for non-registered list members. List owners/moderators are different. They HAVE to be registered users of Postorius/Affinity in order to manage/moderate a list. I wonder what the majority of list members' scenarios are. Is the majority scenario in play today the one where most list members are only subscribed to a single list on a single mailman instance? Or is it the scenario that is in majority use the one where a single list member is subscribed to multiple lists? I think that it is important to find out because it should govern the development process to a certain degree. This single approach of having registered user account with multiple associated email accounts elevates one scenario at the expense of the other. It also assumes/requires that list members have a registered user account and I can tell you from my experience that is not going to happen. The majority of mailman 2 users will not registered with a Mailman 3 admin interface. Some will of course, the majority will not. Maybe the behavior should and will change but it will take years for that to happen. So what I am challenging and questioning here is the approach where such assumptions are being made already that results in the weakening of list owners. > > Mailman 3 does have a concept of user and addresses belonging to a user. > This complicates things in some ways. In Mailman 2.1 we could have "The > Boss <user(a)example.com" as a member of one list and "Just a Peon > <user(a)example.com>" as a member of another list. In Mailman 3 that is > not possible unless the addresses are tweaked in some way to make them > different. Perhaps there is a better approach here to handle single member w/multiple subscriptions that doesn't hurt the ability of List owners to serve the needs of list members who do not have a registered user account and prevents the removal of data when a SINGLE user unsubscribes from a list. > > You don't seem to be concerned about the case where I subscribe to a > second list with a different display name and am surprised to find my > display name changed on the first list, but it's something that I have > to consider. I am not concerned because I think such cases are in the extreme minority. Are you saying that people are now going to be using different real names associated with their other subscriptions as well and that is going to be so needed it warrants this complex system that you have come up with? If someone whats to have a different name associated with a different subscription/email address then I am going to tell them create a new user account and use a good password management program to keep track of their logins. Right now I think this minority use case scenario is negatively impacting other administrative tasks of Mailman, particularly in the removal of user data when someone unsubscribes from a list. Its the use of a square peg being forced into a round hole. Except in this case most of the holes are round but by golly, we are going to use that square peg regardless! > > As far as filing or not filing an issue, issues in the GitLab trackers > are how we track these things. Threads on mailing lists are appropriate > for discussion of issues, but if something is going to get changed or > fixed, an issue in the tracker is the way to ensure it doesn't get put > aside and forgotten. If this is as important to you as it seems to be, > please file the issue. I will but what is disturbing is that you don't think that the non-removal of user data in cases of unsubscribing is not important or even an issue. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Which documentation to follow for installation

by Abhilash Raj

On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 09:40:37 -0000 ribanez(a)sciops.esa.int wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm trying to deploy Mailman 3.1, but it seems there isn't a clear place to > look for documentation. I found two different sites: > > https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ > http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ Both of the above are actually latest documentation, docs.mailman3.org should be the one to look for installations guidelines for the entire Mailman 3.x Suite, mailman.readthedocs.io is the documentation of Mailman 3 Core, which handles the mail. http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html This should be the best place to start, be sure to look at the Pre-Installation Guide if you are new to the Python ecosystem. > > Do you know which one should be followed? Both at the same time? I find it > quite unclear... and this installation will be for an operational environment. > > Also, there are some (official?...) docker images, but all images are for > mailman 3.0 but not mailman 3.1, and of course updates are not guaranteed. It is meant for Mailman 3.X series and is maintained by me. It currently includes the latest releases for all the Mailman's sub-projects, also Mailman 3.1. Hope that helps! -- thanks, Abhilash Raj

8 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: 'utf-8' codec can't encode characters

by Gilles Filippini

Mark Sapiro a écrit le 15/06/2020 à 21:58 : > On 6/15/20 12:37 PM, Gilles Filippini wrote: >> >> There are 4 emails stored into this folder. 3 of them are spam, and the >> last one is a legitimate email. This is annoying that such emails could >> accumulate and stay into var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ forever, causing >> more and more hyperkitty errors. >> >> Any idea how to make their processing more error proof? > > > Change the offending .encode() method to add errors='replace'. > > The traceback from the error should tell you where it is. > > You could also open an issue at > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues> for us to look at. If > you do that, please include an error traceback if possible. If there is > not a traceback in mailman.log associated with the error, there might be > one in HyperKitty's log (configured in Django's settings). Also, > including enough of a message to duplicate the issue is very helpful. I've now deleted the offending messages. Will open an issue with related details the next time this error occurs. Thanks a lot, _g.

6 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: How to import mailman2 into mailman3 in Docker, getting error with archives.

by Jens Günther

For importing the archives, it's the mailman-web container. For me it was like: python manage.py hyperkitty_import -l listxy(a)somedomain.org /opt/mailman-web-data/listxy.mbox Before I connected into container as the user mailman! Hope this helps. Am 15.09.21 um 19:36 schrieb bob B: > I know you can't run mailman commands in the docker images and I have to copy the data to an area where he docker images can access it, but in looking that the commands I got the list settings to import > > docker exec -it mailman-core mailman import21 [REDACTED](a)REDACTED].REDACTED].org /opt/mailman/migration/config.pck *** this worked > > > But having issues importing the archives? do i run this on mailman-core OR mailman-web? I tried both but it does not like python? > > docker exec -it mailman-core python manage.py hyperkitty_import -l [REDACTED](a)REDACTED].REDACTED].org /opt/mailman/migration/[REDACTED].mbox > OCI runtime exec failed: exec failed: container_linux.go:380: starting container process caused: exec: "python": executable file not found in $PATH: unknown > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderation request email from a non existing user

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/1/22 00:45, David Lopez via Mailman-users wrote: > I'm on postorius 1.3.4 so I tried to do via shell but after logging it shows a syntax error. > > mailman shell -l mylist@mydomain(dot)com > pendingsdb = getUtility(IPendings) >>>> for token, data in pendingsdb.find(m, pend_type='unsubscription'): > ... ... if data['token_owner'] == 'moderator': > File "<console>", line 2 > ... if data['token_owner'] == 'moderator': > ^ > IndentationError: expected an indented block >>>> ... pendingsdb.confirm(token) > File "<console>", line 1 > ... pendingsdb.confirm(token) You are entering the `... ` prompts that I showed in my example. You show ``` ... ... if data['token_owner'] == 'moderator': ``` the first `... ` is the actual prompt from mailman shell. The second `... ` is the prompt from my example which you shouldn't enter. You should only be entering ``` pendingsdb = getUtility(IPendings) for token, data in pendingsdb.find(m, pend_type='unsubscription'): if data['token_owner'] == 'moderator': pendingsdb.confirm(token) commit() ``` Indentation is important. After `pendingsdb.confirm(token)` enter an empty line at the last `... ` prompt. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] How to enable VERP?

by Andy Smith

Hi, I'm a little confused as to how to enable VERP. mailman3 Debian package, version 3.3.3-1, using Exim 4 MTA. In /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg I added: [mailman] … verp_delivery_interval: 1 verp_probes: yes and restarted mailman3.service. The list's "Alter Messages / Personalize" setting is "Individual" (but I tried "Full" as well and saw no difference in VERP behaviour). I can see the MTA is doing an individual delivery for each recipient, and the list's custom footer tells the recipient which address they are subscribed under, so I know that part is working. With VERP enabled I was expecting the Return-Path header in the delivered list mail to include a cookie to identify the individual subscriber, but instead it is "listname-bounces(a)example.com" like always. In mailman.cfg my MTA-related settings are: [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.exim4.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver smtp_host: localhost smtp_port: 25 configuration: python:mailman.config.exim4 And the Exim configuration itself has ther macros, router and transport files from the "Exim" section of here: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-core.html#configuring-mta edited only for correct paths. That's been working for months for delivering list email in and out, but I'm just now trying to enable VERP and it's not happening. Is there something I'm missing? Thanks, Andy

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 3.2.2 python3.8 problem on focal

by Thomas Stein

Answering my own post for now. Replacing time.clock() with time.process_time() in /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/uid.py seems to fix the current issue for me. Don't know what else I broke with it though. :) cheers! t. Am 2024-03-20 12:54, schrieb Thomas Stein: > Hello list! > > I saw a few posts regarding the "Uncaught runner exception: module > 'time' has no attribute 'clock'" problem but no solution to that. It > seems this issue sneaked in at some point. I was getting aware of it > when suddenly notifications to non-member posts did not work anymore. > Everything else seems still to work. > > So, what is the prefered solution here? Is it possible to "repair" > focal? There is python2.7, python3.6 and python3.8 installed currently. > Or do I need to switch to a supported distribution like debian > something? Wait for ubuntu 24.04? > > Any hints are really appreciated. > cheers! t. > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to himbeere(a)meine-oma.de

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Welcome message template errors

by Mark

>> On 2024-04-23 11:33, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> That URI should have been; >> >> https://lists.mydomain.com/mailman3/api/templates/list/mytestlist.lists.myd… > I think you are saying the what you reported originally was not > correct and the URL in the template table was in fact the latter URL. I meant when I typed the URL in my first email I had unintentionally omitted the name of the list (mytestlist) when I redacted the real domain name to 'lists.mydomain.com'. ...emplates/list/lists.mydomain.com/list:user:noti... I should have written ...emplates/list/mytestlist.lists.mydomain.com/list:user:noti... >> If I go to the above URL, the text of the list's Custom welcome >> message displays on an otherwise empty webpage. > > > And that's what is expected. So you can go to that URL and get the > template, but when Mailman Core tries to do the same thing, it gets a > timeout. Is there some firewall or other security software blocking > this access? #ufw disable Firewall stopped and disabled on system startup Then restarted everything... # ufw status verbose Status: inactive And still getting the error in the Postorius webpage ... HTTP Error 400: HTTPSConnectionPool(host='lists.mydomain.com', port=443): Read timed out. (read timeout=5)

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Rafael Mora

Nice you opened a new issue, ok then... About this: Ideally, you want to use paths.fhs which is based on Filesystem Hierarchy Standard . To use this add the following to your configuration: [mailman] layout: fhs Should I do it???? is that for production?? Sometimes I wish the install process was easier, sorry for disturbing you guys but believe me I've been more than 2 weeks trying and it's been difficult El vie., 21 jul. 2017 a las 13:02, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) escribió: > On 07/21/2017 10:29 AM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > Can we modify the docs? > > > > El vie., 21 jul. 2017 a las 12:25, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) > > escribió: > >> > >> However, that said, the doc is wrong. The lines should be added to > >> main.cf, not master.cf. See > >> <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite-doc/issues/14>. > > > That's what the above issue and associated MR are for. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

9 years

[MM3-users] Change settings via mailman shell

by kk＠eco.cept.org

I am trying to find a way to set some parameters on the lists from a shell script. One specific parameter - max_message_size is not presented through the REST interface apparantly, and i found a way to set this with mailman shell command. Continuing this path i seem not to be able to set any other parameters like this: m.archive_policy = 'never' m.subject_prefix = '' m.dmarc_mitigate_action = 'munge_from' m.dmarc_mitigate_unconditionally = True commit() However i end up with this error: sqlalchemy.exc.StatementError: (builtins.AttributeError) 'str' object has no attribute 'value' [SQL: 'UPDATE mailinglist SET archive_policy=?, dmarc_mitigate_action=?, dmarc_mitigate_unconditionally=?, subject_prefix=? WHERE mailinglist.id = ?'] [parameters: [{'dmarc_mitigate_unconditionally': 'True', 'dmarc_mitigate_action': 'munge_from', 'subject_prefix': '', 'archive_policy': 'never', 'mailinglist_id': 65}]] Not sure what to make of it, but it seems like the fields are not there. I then proceed to get a list of all parameters with information found here: http://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailmanclient/en/latest/src/mailmanclient… and the parameters seems to exist - however this list is made with the REST interface - so my question are - are there a difference in parameters in "mailman shell" command and REST interface - and how do i then get a list of parameter and possible settings in the "mailman shell" command ? Thanks in advance Kenneth Denmark

7 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Current status and issue deleting Archives in Mailman3

by bob B

So just want to make sure I have the latest information after searching this list and googling or have I missed something? It appears there is no way in mailman3 to delete archives. There has been discussion on implementing this, but it has not been developed? is that correct? I saw references to: >>> from hyperkitty.models import MailingList >>> ml = MailingList.objects.get(name="test2(a)freeculture.org") >>> ml.delete() But how do I run this? I believe it is run in mailman-core (I am in a docker environment but that should not matter). I can get into the mailman shell, but that command does not work I did the following: bash-5.0# mailman shell Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. >>> from hyperkitty.models import MailingList Traceback (most recent call last): File "<console>", line 1, in <module> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'hyperkitty' >>> What am I missing? ************** Question 2 What about pruning archives? I use to run a script for mailman2 to prune archives of messages older than X days for a list, Is that possible in mailman3

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: "to" Headers for Non-Anonymous lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/10/25 09:40, Dan Caballero wrote: > > I've done some testing and this is close to what we need. However, I seem to be having an issue with the option for "Explicit Reply-to set; no Cc added". The messages are still including a Cc field with the sender's email. Is there another setting that affects the Cc field? The difference between "Explicit Reply-to header set" and "Explicit Reply-to set; no Cc added" only affects lists with Personalize = Full. For those cases, the To: in delivered posts is replaced with the recipient's address which means in some cases, the list's posting address is not exposed so we put it in Cc: unless Reply goes to list is "Explicit Reply-to set; no Cc added". This setting is intended for announce type lists where members normally do not post to the list. If DMARC mitigations are applied and Reply goes to list is anything other than No Munging, the original From: will always be added to Cc:. There is no setting to avoid this. This is so reply-all will include the original sender. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 on FreeBSD

by Barry Warsaw

Thanks for the reference John, > On Aug 13, 2017, at 06:52, John Poltorak <karotlopj(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Regarding location of mailman.cfg...FreeBSD adopt a strict directory > hierachy > > https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?hier(7) > > Anything installed outside the base OS belongs in /usr/local I looked over that page. Does this mean that even if you were to install Mailman 3 via the FreeBSD package manager (i.e. ports), you’d still want mailman.cfg in /usr/local/etc instead of /etc? That would differ from most Linux distributions where package manager installed packages would have their configuration files in /etc, and where “third party” packages would have them in /usr/local/etc. > I guess that issue is something for the FreeBSD porters of Mailman3… I think so. I think for now I don’t want to support /usr/local/etc/mailman.cfg out of the box, although I’m open to persuasion if there are some more generic use cases. OTOH, the internal function that calculates the search paths could be refactored to make it easy for distributions to carry small deltas to add that as a search path (it really wouldn’t be that hard to do now, but it’s a little icky). Of course, you can’t add a configuration file to find a configuration file. :) Cheers, -Barry

8 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius performance with over 1000 pending users

by Nick W

On 06/08/19 at 12:13, Nick W <mail(a)nickwynja.com> wrote: > Could it be that these requests are being submitted through Postorius? I'd > assume there would be some sort of honeypot input to prevent abuse. I'll > continue investigating and follow up with any insight I can on the cause of The > Problem. Some follow up here: cat /var/log/nginx/access.log | grep "POST /postorius/lists/mylist.exmple.com/" shows only a recent manual attempt I made to subscribe but not much else, which leads me to believe these requests aren't coming through Postorius. Now the more embarrassing part. The likely culprit is my stupidity. In an attempt to have subscription forms embedded on my static websites, I created this flask app to handle POSTs and subscribe people the the specified lists. https://github.com/nickwynja/fmmss/ I included a menial honeypot feature to handle spam requests, which I thought was working. It must not be but it appeared like it was, likely because I made the honeypot for my app at the same time I changed the subscription policy to 'confirm' and upgraded from Postorius 1.2.3 (when pending user subscriptions were no longer shown). Seems like I have some homework to do to prevent spam subscriptions through my app.

7 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Gmail problems?

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 6:03 PM Stephen Daniel <swd(a)pobox.com> wrote: > Mailman Gurus -- > > I run a number of small lists for my neighborhood association. The largest > of these is ~120 users. Typical volumes are about 2 messages/day. > > In the past week or so a number of users who use gmail as their email > client have complained that list emails have been going to spam or > "promotions" folders. I've always had 1 or 2 users who had trouble > receiving mails, but this seems to be a significant percentage of all gmail > users. > > I have DMARC mitigation set to unconditional, and the DMARC action set to > "Replace From: with list address". > > My emails are sent using google workspace as my SMTP relay. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Does the above mean that your MM3 instance uses Google Workspace to relay the e-mails to subscribers? If that is the case, then I do not see how Gmail would put perfectly authenticated email in spam/promotion folders, unless something is not quite right with the content of those emails. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] How to fix: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP)

by Jigme Datse

This feels like something that I should have working. I know I've not been attending to things all that well, so the thing that has happened, that's got us from, "possibly doing nothing," to throwing this error is that I went to update my mail server, and in the update, Mailman3 stopped working entirely (it was a variety of things), but now it's launching, and will load the main web interface... but Going to any of the list pages, gives the above Error. Well, not exactly the above error, Django is in square brackets. OK, that will work better for me with the how to fix. How to fix, probably isn't quite what I'm looking for, it's how to diagnose. The error tells me that the IP address is 127.0.0.1 and that 127.0.0.1 is in the ALLOWED_HOSTS. I *mostly* see this coming from Google, but when I go and look at the webpage, I get: normal page at /mailman3/lists/ But my lists, all give me... Something went wrong HTTP error 500: {"title": "500 Internal Server Error"} I've tried to figure out where to go from here, and right now I'm not making any progress, so I thought I'd ask here.

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Sendgrid experiences (now Office 365)

by Stephen Daniel

I am running mailman3 in google's cloud. I have a google workspace account with a single authorized user. ($8/month) I use those account credentials and have mailman3 using google's smtp servers as the outbound relay. Works OK. There are still some members of my organization who don't receive list emails, for reasons I've never been able to debug. On Sun, Sep 28, 2025 at 7:43 AM <tom(a)tomsmyth.ca> wrote: > Reviving this old thread... > > Are folks still using Google Workspace or Sendgrid for Mailman? > > For Sendgrid, don't all sending addresses have to be verified? How do you > get around that? Surely you don't have all list members go through the > verification process? > > Does Google not have this restriction? > > Or am I missing something about how this works? Are people just having all > list emails come from the list email address and using the Reply To header > or something? > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to swd(a)pobox.com >

10 months

[MM3-users] OS update 18.04 -> 20.04 with Python 3.6 -> 3.8

by Torge Riedel

Hi, just want to report that updating my server's OS from Ubuntu 18.04 to 20.04 including an upgrade from Python 3.6 to 3.8 worked 75% on the mailman3 installation. Stopping and disabling the service before prevented most of the problems, but I forget to disable the cron jobs. **sigh** So whenever you have to upgrade your OS including python, don't forget the cron jobs. After OS upgrade I renamed both "venv" directories and rebuild them from my notes. Worked. Starting up mailman-core was easy. Getting mailman-web back to work was a little tricky: 1. After rebuild I forgot to run the post-update script, overseen that in my notes. **sigh #2** 2. My uwsgi-emperor was totally confused and needed some guidance and manual remove of .sock file 3. Finally I got this in the logs: /opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/conf.py:139: UserWarning: Retry and timeout are misconfigured. Set retry larger than timeout, failure to do so will cause the tasks to be retriggered before completion. Seehttps://django-q.readthedocs.io/en/latest/configure.html#retry for details. warn( I checked the reference file from here: |https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/raw/master/mailman-suite_project/settings.py?inline=false| and it misses the "retry" value. After adding it to Q_CLUSTER everything works fine. Kind regards Torge

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 not working following distribution upgrade from Debian 10 to 11.

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/18/22 08:43, gordon(a)dickens.com wrote: > > My only remaining problem is that I cannot access the individual mailing lists. That is, when I navigate a list and click on the list name then my browser displays: > > "Server error > An error occurred while processing your request." > > Concurrent with the above browser display, mailman3 sends an email to the system admin with the subject: > > "[Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/list_local_name.domain.tld" > > This email and my logs now complain about: > > "Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/list_local_name.domain.tld/ > MultipleObjectsReturned at /mailman3/lists/list_local_name.domain.tld/ > get() returned more than one EmailAddress -- it returned 3!" > > Also, I get the same errors after I create a new mailing list as well. > > I hope that Mark and/or somebody here can offer up suggestions on what I need to do to fix this. Any suggestions would be very much appreciated! It seems like a database issue. I would like to help. What is the Traceback from that error? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Welcome message template errors

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/23/24 14:59, Mark wrote: > > The welcome message is returned. > > root@hel:~# sudo -u mailman curl > https://LISTS.MYDOMAIN.COM/mailman3/api/templates/list/MYTESTLIST.LISTS.MYD… > Test Welcome message for new subscribers.root@hel:~# I don't know what the issue is. curl, running as user mailman, is able to get the url, but Mailman core, presumably running as user mailman, times out trying to get the url. I can't explain why. Try the following in `mailman shell` running as user mailman ``` (venv) $ mailman shell Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. >>> import requests >>> r = requests.get( ... 'https://LISTS.MYDOMAIN.COM/mailman3/api/templates/list/MYTESTLIST.LISTS.MYD…', ... timeout=5) >>> t.text ``` Note the URL above is all on one line. This is exactly what Mailman core is doing to get the template assuming the `uri` in the template` table entry is the argument of the requests.get(). If this times out, try increasing the timeout= value. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 3.1 beta coming soon

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Barry Warsaw writes: > >I can also work on Postorius. Also in this vein I have a question. > >Should the DMARC settings be added to the Alter Messages tab in the List > >Settings view or would it be better to have a separate DMARC Mitigations > >tab. > > My gut reaction is to add a separate DMARC Mitigations tab, but Florian and > Terri have final say I think. I would find it more natural to have "Posting Policy" (which would include posting filters on size and list membership, as well as message alterations such as removing .exe files and enforcing plain text by removing or rendering HTML parts), and "Malware Mitigation", which would include IP, domain, and mailbox filters as well as DMARC. I think DMARC mitigation is probably too special to deserve its own tab. Probably this is way too much reorganization to do at this point, but I'd like to keep this point in mind. We are already getting reports that configuration options are hard to find just because it's different from Mailman 2. I suspect that the REST API is sufficiently flexible and regular that we'll be tempted to proliferate options, so let's try to keep them organized. Steve

9 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman-web: ResponseNotReady

by Dmitry Makovey

On 10/18/2017 01:41 PM, Abhilash Raj wrote: > Hi, > > $ docker-compose rm -f mailman-web > $ docker-compose up -d mailman-web > > This will basically create a new container for Mailman-web, but, since > the state of mailman-web is stored completely in database (database > container), I am not sure how to reset *just* mailman-web without > dropping mailman-core related tables too (they share the same database > but have their own separate tables). The above command will get you a > fresh copy of code running. > > You can potentially get the list of tables and drop them, or maybe > Diango has some way to reset it's state from Django shell (python > manage.py <http://manage.py> shell, from inside mailman-web will get you > shell). I may have to look it up. > > Also, just by looking at the traceback, I am not sure about the exact > error. I may have to debug more to arrive at a better conclusion, which > I won't able to do until after this weekend. thanks for the suggestions. I'll try to dig in direction outlined by you, may end up producing some code to automate such task in the future :) -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

8 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: django-mailman3 update causing errors

by Darren Smith

So we have pulled all fresh versions of these projects from gitlab as of last Friday: postorius hyperkitty django-mailman3 mailmanclient Django is version 1.11 When we installed, each of these were placed in a conda virtual environment. Postorius, Hyperkitty, and django-mailman3 are all still under a python 2.7 environment. Is that our problem here? Do they need to be in python 3 now? -Darren On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 3:47 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 05/01/2018 01:35 PM, Darren Smith wrote: > > Hello, > > > > In attempting to update our mailman3/postorius/hyperkitty installation, I > > have run into an error after upgrading the django-mailman3 project. > ... > > Any thoughts on why updating django-mailman3 would cause this? > > > To what version did you update? any 1.2 version is part of the migration > of Postorius/HyperKitty to Python 3 and requires > > postorius>=1.2.0b1 > hyperkitty>=1.2.0a1 > Django>=1.11 > django-mailman3>=1.2.0a2 > mailmanclient>=3.2.0b1 > > and is all Python 3 > > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

8 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Chinese characters in list name shows question mark (?)

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/24/19 4:53 AM, Franklin Weng wrote: > > Thanks for your help. I did what you said above, but then I still got the > same result even after restarting mailman3 services. > > ~# mailman shell -l zh-l10n.lists.linux.org.tw > Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell > The variable 'm' is the zh-l10n.lists.linux.org.tw mailing list >>>> m.preferred_language > <Language [zh_TW] Chinese (Taiwan)> >>>> quit() The issue is the list welcome message is sent in the character set of the new member's preferred language and if that is not set in the subscription request, and it's not possible to do that in Postorius, it defaults to the installation's preferred language. It should probably default to the list's preferred language. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/608> You have two choices: You can set the installation's default language by putting [mailman] default_language: zh_TW in your mailman.cfg, or you can leave the default language English and set the character set for English to utf-8 by putting [language.en] charset: utf-8 in your mailman.cfg. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Request for help with configuring "from" headers in mailman3 list

by Stephen Daniel

Mailman3 users -- I am in the process of migrating a set of mailing lists from a very old privately operated server running mailman2 to a VM in Google's cloud (GCP) running mailman3. I have mailman3 up and running in GCP. However, VM's in GCP are not permitted to send emails. To work around this I configured postfix relay SMTP traffic through sendgrid.com. I chose Sendgrid because they offer a free service for low volume users. This works well for emails generated by the mailman3 system. However, it does not work for the list traffic itself. Sendgrid requires that the "From:" address on any email reference an authenticated domain. In the old mailman2 implementation, emails sent by mailman are listed as From: <human name via LISTNAME> LISTNAME(a)LISTDOMAIN.org Reply-to: <human name> sender(a)senderdomain.com (the original email's sender) Sendgrid would be happy with this, because LISTDOMAIN.org is a validated domain. However, in my mailman3 implementation, the From: header lists the original email's sender. Sendgrid rejects this because the original email's sender's address is not one of the validated domains. How do I configure mailman3 to generate headers in the same style as the old mailman2 implementation? Thanks! -- Stephen Daniel

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY - 401 error

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/12/22 03:33, Torsten R. wrote: > > But when I try to send a message (as a member of a list) to a list I always get a 401 in mailman.log and the message that I should check if I provided MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY and if it is correct. > So far, I can say that the key is the same in mailman-web.py (with single quotes) and mailman-hyperkitty.cfg (without quotes). > in mailman-web.py I have: > MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = 'somesecretkeywithlotsofcharacters' > and in mailman-hyperkitty I have this: > api_key: somesecretkeywithlotsofcharacters > > I have some messages in $var_dir/archives/hyperkitty/spool but mailman qfile <messagefile> doesn't show anything that would catch my eye. The issue is not related to message content. One possibility is that there is an incompatibility between mailman-hyperkitty >= 1.2.0 and HyperKitty <= 1.3.4. that could cause this. What are your versions? What is your setting in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg for base_url: if you append `api/` to that and do something like curl base_url/api/ it should return a page of documentation of the API. If that is the case, the issue is almost certainly communicating the api key between mailman-hyperkitty and HyperKitty -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] changeaddress command and nonmembers

by Mike Wertheim

I recently upgraded a Mailman 2 installation (which included a number of email lists) to Mailman 3.3.3. There is one human user who in the past has used two different email addresses. Let's call them oldaddress(a)hotmail.com and newaddress(a)gmail.com. This person used to participate on an email list using oldaddress(a)hotmail.com (both posting and receiving). He then unsubscribed oldaddress(a)hotmail.com from the list and then subscribed to the email list as newaddress(a)gmail.com. All of this happened while using Mailman 2. Now that we're on Mailman 3 and the email list was migrated from MM2 to MM3, we see that newaddress(a)gmail.com is a Member of the list, and we see that oldaddress(a)hotmail.com is a NonMember of the list. That all makes sense. But now, this person has decided that they actually want to go back to using the old address. So I ran the command "mailman changeaddress newaddress(a)gmail.com oldaddress(a)hotmail.com". But that gave me this output: Usage: mailman changeaddress [OPTIONS] OLD_ADDRESS NEW_ADDRESS Try 'mailman changeaddress -h' for help. Error: Address oldaddress(a)hotmail.com already exists; can't change. Can anyone explain how I can do what I'm trying to accomplish? (Also, why is this error displaying the usage message? That seems odd, since the number and type of arguments was correct.)

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 Docker

by Odhiambo Washington

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 19:25, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 1/8/19 10:50 PM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > Now that has clarified the matter for me. That even when I am logged out, > > the scripts do the neccessary > > to activate the venv to run things. > > > As mentioned before, a virtualenv is not like a container. It is only a > directory that contains among other things a bin/ directory with > activate scripts and easy_install, python, pip and wheel commands. > > When you activate a virtualenv in your shell, all it really does is add > a deactivate command, modify the command prompt and insert its bin/ > directory at the beginning of its PATH. > > What this means is whether or not a virtualenv is "active", running a > command from the bin/ directory in the virtualenv is using the virtualenv. > Thank you very much for the elaboration. What used to confuse me was the early stage documents which detailed how to run MM3 in a virtual environment - I am talking about the BETA days. I think from this point onward, I have the complete foundation information to move forward. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-)

7 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Weird hourly indexing error

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/12/20 3:02 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: > > The second patch did not work either. Ahh, well. I think you need to do something like this: $ mm/bin/django-admin shell Python 3.7.1 (default, Dec 14 2018, 13:17:01) [GCC 5.4.0 20160609] on linux Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. (InteractiveConsole) >>> from hyperkitty.models import Email >>> emails = Email.objects.all() >>> for email in emails: ... if email.content.find('\u200b'*5) >= 0: ... print('Found in ml {}, hash {}'.format( ... email.mailinglist.name, ... email.message_id_hash)) ... >>> _NAME/message/HASH/ This will print the mailing list and message id hash for messages found that contain at least 5 U+200B Unicodes in a row. You may need to adjust the '\u200b'*5 if it doesn't find anything. Once you know the list and hash you can go to something like https://example.com/hyperkitty/lists/LIST_NAME/message/HASH/ to see the message in the archive and delete it. Before deleting it, you might want to 'download' it. I'd be interested in seeing that to see if I can understand the issue better and why the patches don't work to solve it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Topics - Tags

by Mark

On 2024-03-23 23:21, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Mark writes: > > > >> In Mailman 2 there is an Admin web UI for "Topics". Is there > > >> such a web UI that can be enabled in Mailman 3 so that the list > > >> owners can create topics (tags) in their lists? > > Do you specifically want topics, that is, a way for users to select > subsets of the list posts based on themes set by the administrator? That's what I was referring to. One of the list admins was asking about it after I moved the list from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3. > There is (was?) an alternative specification implemented by the > Systers, which they call "dynamic sublists". > > If that sounds as good as Mailman-2-style topics to you, I can > add/emphasize it on our GSoC task list. Although that sounds good (and I don't think the use of email commands would be onerous to people who would value sublists), I am the wrong person to have an opinion on it as I haven't really used Topics in earnest and most likely would not use sublists. That said Steve, thank you for your considered reply. A font of useful (and much appreciated) information as always. Best, Mark

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman stops processing....... where to start looking for root cause?

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > One of the runners has died, most likely the `out` runner, but > possibly another. The missing messages are stuck in a queue. Do ``` > ls -laR /opt/mailman/core/var/queue ``` to see in which queue the > messages are. The runner that processes that queue is gone or > possibly stuck. I have seen "stuck", in a multisite installation where Mailman's smarthost ended up being about 1000 miles from Mailman. I'm not sure what the issue is (we fixed the DNS, not Mailman :-), but every once in the while the connection would hang. In that case nothing showed up in the log. The only symptoms were the buildup in the out queue and a stale connection to port 25 on the smarthost. If your smarthost is not "network far" from the Mailman host, this is quite unlikely from my experience, although Mark may know better. In any case, I think the best way to start diagnosis is to check the Mailman and MTA queues for stuck messages. Of course in normal operation you will often see messages in the queue, but long queues or messages older than a minute are 99% a dead or stuck queue runner. Steve

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty won't list more than 5 posts and shows empty grey Activity Summary box

by Mark Sapiro

On 08/04/2017 02:54 AM, Cyprian Laskowski wrote: > Hi, > > On our new installation of Mailman 3, which seems to be otherwise working fine (thanks!), the "More..." link doesn't work, such that the list continues to only show 5 posts, even though it's clear that hyperkitty is aware of more (if I click on August, for example). This is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/134>. The fix is a one-liner at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/commit/2034b937c438f66b465d86bebbbc12…> > Also, nothing is shown in the grey box under Activity Summary (the <svg class="chart-data"> element), although I'm not sure what's supposed to be shown there. The public archived list is here: http://seznami.cjvt.si/hyperkitty/list/test@seznami.cjvt.si/. I'd appreciate any pointers. The box is a bar graph of posts by day. See <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/> for what it should look like. I'm not sure why it's empty in your case. Do you have cron running all the Django minutely, quarter-hourly, ... tasks? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty Archives - Sidebar years/months

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/7/18 4:18 PM, Enrique Terrazas wrote: > Thank you Mark > I don't think the periodic Django jobs are running. I do see the cron job executing the jobs as scheduled but I am seeing errors being sent to /var/spool/mail/mailman (thats the user that runs the MM3 application) that say: > /bin/sh: django-admin: command not found So whatever django-admin you are trying to run is not in the path of the cron job. Try an absolute path to django-admin instead. > If I run: > django-admin --help > > I get the following: > > Note that only Django core commands are listed as settings are not properly configured (error: Requested setting INSTALLED_APPS, but settings are not configured. You must either define the environment variable DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE or call settings.configure() before accessing settings.). I install Mailman in a virtualenv and the django-admin file I run contains #!/bin/bash . /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/activate cd /opt/mailman/mm export PYTHONPATH=/opt/mailman/mm export DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE=settings django-admin $@ The main things are the directory containing settings.py is /opt/mailman/mm and I export that as PYTHONPATH so my settings module can be found. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Emergency Moderation

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/24/20 10:59 AM, Allan Hansen wrote: > In the MM3 settings there is an option to ‘Hold for moderation’ when members or non-members post to the list. > I use that for the same cases where in MM2 I switched a list to ‘Emergency Moderation.’ If you imported your MM 2.1 lists with `mailman import21`, `emergency` was set appropriately for the imported list and should be working to hold posts regardless of other settings. > My own current top-of-the-list issues: > > A bug: Moderators can’t see/edit the list of members even when allowed to by list setting. The visibility issue is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/369>. Editing membership beyond what could be done via the admindb interface (i.e. clearing a moderated poster's mod flag) was never allowed for a moderator in MM 2.1. In MM 3, a moderator can set a member's moderation when handling a held post. Do you think a non-owner moderator should be able to make other changes to a member? > A feature request: Member changing email address on all lists he/she belongs to, without involving moderators. This is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/399> and we're working on it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Disable Sign-up per domain

by Mark

On 2025-07-31 03:31, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Anything is possible, it's only code ;) > > You could make your own user_adapter.py which is modified like > > and set that as the ACCOUNT_ADAPTER. This depends on whatever is > proxying to Django setting the appropriate HTTP_HOST header. Thank you Mark. It's so close. After wrangling your solution a bit it's working a treat on my test server (wrangled solution below) . When I add it to the production server (same OS, MM installation, etc) I'm getting a "Bad gateway" error page and the log reports ... ... raise self.model.DoesNotExist( django.contrib.sites.models.Site.DoesNotExist: Site matching query does not exist. I cannot for the life of me get my head around that. I suspect it's something to do with what you said -- "whatever is proxying to Django setting the appropriate HTTP_HOST header." -- which I don't understand. Any additional advice gratefully received. ================================== /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django_mailman3/views/user_adapter.py ================================== COMMENT OUT THESE 2 LINES... # def is_open_for_signup(self, req): # return False REPLACE WITH THE FOLLOWING... def is_open_for_signup(self, req): if req.META['HTTP_HOST'] == 'lists.mydomain.com': return False else: return True ================================== /etc/mailman3/settings.py ================================== Append the following ... ACCOUNT_ADAPTER = 'django_mailman3.views.user_adapter.DisableSignupAdapter' ================================== systemctl restart mailman3 systemctl restart mailmanweb ==================================

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: redirecting -bounces replies

by Hirayama, Pat

Sorry, I knew that. Thanks for your assistance today. Pat Hirayama Pronouns: he/him/his Systems Engineer IT | Systems Engineering Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center O 206.667.4856 phirayam(a)fredhutch.org ________________________________ From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2025 16:36 To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Subject: [MM3-users] Re: redirecting -bounces replies CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. On 6/26/25 15:29, Hirayama, Pat wrote: > Well ... each list has 9 email addresses — the list address, the -bounces, the -confirm, the -join, the -leave, the -owner, the -request, the -subscribe and the -unsubscribe ... I think I'm around 4500 listservs right now..... 4500 lists is a lot, but not unheard of, but please don't call them listservs. See https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman*20is*20not*20… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailm… Archived at: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailma… This message sent to phirayam(a)fredhutch.org

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Installing MM3 via pip fails…

by Patrick Ben Koetter

* Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > On 2/18/20 10:45 AM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: > > Has anyone managed to install MM3 recently using pip on Ubuntu 18? > > > > I followed the instructions at > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst…. > > As soon as I get to the Django part things get hairy. It seems Django requires > > something that was removed from it. > > > What exactly is the issue? I just tried following the doc starting at > <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-setup> > and doing everything through > > (venv)$ python3 manage.py runserver > > and I encountered no issues. One possibility is the Ubuntu 18.04 box on > which I did this already had ruby-sass and python3-dev globally installed. > > sudo apt install ruby-sass > sudo apt install python3-dev > > Did you install these? Yes, I did. But to be sure I'll try on a vanilla VM and see how it goes if I install ruby-sass and python3-dev beforehand. p@rick -- [*] sys4 AG https://sys4.de, +49 (89) 30 90 46 64 Schleißheimer Straße 26/MG,80333 München Sitz der Gesellschaft: München, Amtsgericht München: HRB 199263 Vorstand: Patrick Ben Koetter, Marc Schiffbauer, Wolfgang Stief Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Florian Kirstein

6 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Backups & disaster recovery of mailman3

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/7/21 11:07 AM, David Partain via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi, > > So now I have a running mailman3 installation. Whew... > > Is there documentation of things like thorough backups and disaster recovery? I haven't yet found it. > > Backups: Obviously, I understand that I need to have datbase (mysql, in my case) dumps, and I'll have file system backups onto something that our IT folks will backup. Is there more I should think of? No, backing up the database with dumps and backing up Mailman's var/ directory and the various settings and mailman.cfg files should be sufficient. Backing up the entire Mailman installation might be useful should you need to restore it on a new server. > Disaster recovery: So, let's say my server (which is cloud-y) gets trashed and I need to get mailman back on a new server. Is this process described somewhere? I don't think so, but assuming you get all the Mailman pieces together on the new server, loading the database from a backup dump and restoring the var/ directory and the various settings and mailman.cfg files should do it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Any possible way to reduce robot spam accounts?

by Franklin Weng

Hi Mark, Mark Sapiro 於 2023/7/21 12:01 寫道: > On 7/20/23 20:42, Franklin Weng wrote: >> >> Thank you. When I set it in my settings_local.py, I clicked register >> and got an error: >> >> ModuleNotFoundError at/accounts/signup/ >> No module named 'django_mailman3.views.user_adapter' >> >> (In the document the path is /etc/mailman3/settings.py but I >> installed it with Debian packages so I guess the path is somewhat >> different, and I thought setting in setting_local.py should work >> too. It seems work since it gave me the error above.) >> >> Do I have to install something else? Or disable some other options? > > > What is the version of django_mailman3 in your Debian package? As it > says in the FAQ article, "You would need django-mailman3 >= 1.3.6 for > these settings to work." > Debian Bullseye goes with 1.3.5, and Debian Bookworm goes with 1.3.9 but as I have said in another thread it has problems in django admin. So I downloaded the 1.3.9 source code, extracted it, and copied django-mailman3/views/user_adapter.py to /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_mailman3/views. It worked! For a record here. Thanks for your help. Thanks, Franklin

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: External MTA incoming mail: configuration

by Roland Giesler

On 2024/07/30 22:39, Mark Sapiro wrote: > It appears you have a situation where the MX for the Mailman domains > is not the Mailman server. You need to configure the MTA on > box2.gtahardware.co.za to relay Mailman's mail to the mailman server. > You can to this by configuring that MTA to use transport_maps, etc as > if it were the Mailman server. In order to get Mailman's generated > files on the other server, you need to create a process to do that. > When Mailman makes changes by adding or deleting lists or when it is > started, it updates the postfix_lmtp and postfix_domains files and > calls a command (normally postmap) to update the corresponding .db > files. The command can be set by setting `postmap_command` in the > `[postfix]` section in mailman.cfg. I'm not able to find any documentation about `postmap_command`, not even in the schema.cfg. If I have to provide method to update the postfix_lmtp and postfix_domains on another server, then it would have to something like sftp? mailman changes the files on the mailman server (in a location I set) and then postmap_command copies those files to the destination on the MTA server. Is that in principle what needs to be done? thanks again! Roland

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: Server error,An error occurred while processing your request. - SITE_ID

by mailman26＠xse.com

On 6/21/26 14:19, Flo via Mailman-users wrote: > I did the virtualenv installation on Debian trixie. > > I got mailmanweb running, created a superuser, could login into https:// > my.site.net/admin (after resolving CSRF errors). > > I created a new site (my.site.net) in Django, deleted example.com and > changed SITE_ID to 0 in /etc/mailman3/settings.py . > > After restarting mailman3 and mailmanweb services I get > Server error,An error occurred while processing your request. > when I call https://my.site.net/admin again. > > Even if I change SITE_ID back to 1 there is no change. Two things to try: 1) Did you had your hostname to ALLOWED_HOSTS? 2) Temporarily set DEBUG to True in settings.py, it should let you see a stacktrace from the web gui. Keep in mind: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/6.0/ref/settings/ It is also important to remember that when running with DEBUG turned on, Django will remember every SQL query it executes. This is useful when you’re debugging, but it’ll rapidly consume memory on a production server. also: Finally, if DEBUG is False, you also need to properly set the ALLOWED_HOSTS setting. Failing to do so will result in all requests being returned as “Bad Request (400)”.

1 month, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Installation Wooes

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/3/20 7:14 PM, Samir Faci wrote: > > Here's my next question. Hopefully this isn't off topic, but trying to get > postfix to work with mailman and I keep on getting relay denied issues. ... > These are the changes I have in postfix that seem relevant. > > /etc/postfix/master.cf > > mailman unix - n n - - pipe > flags=FR user=list argv=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/postfix-to-mailman.py > ${nexthop} ${user} postfix-to-mailman.py is Mailman 2.1 only. It doesn't work with Mailman3. > /etc/postfix/main.cf > > compatibility_level = 2 > > recipient_delimiter = + > unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 > owner_request_special = no > transport_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp > local_recipient_maps = $alias_maps hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp > relay_domains = hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_domains These mostly have to do with delivery of mail to Mailman rather than from Mailman. > smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated > defer_unauth_destination > myhostname = lists.domain.org > mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.localdomain, localhost, $mydomain, > lists.domain.org The entire output from `postconf -n` might be helpful. Also the postfix log messages for the the failed deliveries would be helpful. Can you send mail to csgeek(a)domain.com in other ways, e.g. mutt or mail or sendmail? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /accounts/login/

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/18/21 7:28 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: > > I had actually done this but checked the Users section and had overlooked the Email Addresses section. It was as you suggested - duplicate emails differing only in case. > > Given that there was only one user account, how does this happen? List subscription without associated user account creation with slightly different case? First, the Django users are separate from Mailman core users and don't have anything directly to do with list subscriptions. As far as how there got to be one User in Django with two EmailAddresses differing only in case, that's probably a bug in Django allauth. The page at accounts/email/ doesn't allow adding an address that differs only in case from an existing address, but possibly adding via a social auth provider bypasses that check. I couldn't find an issue at https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/issues but that doesn't mean there isn't one. In case you haven't done it, I think just deleting one of the addresses (the non-primary one) in Django's Email Addresses section will solve your issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Django 5.2 LTS and mailman 3

by dlb-ml＠anl.gov

Let me expand on this, in that I am failing to get django 5.2 and mailman 3 components to work together in a python3.12 venv. Specifically, despite PIP looking like it understands that the requirements indicate that the allowable range for it's dependency on django is <5.3, pip uninstalls 5.2 and puts in 5.0.14 """ $ pip install git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius@master Collecting git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius@master Cloning https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius (to revision master) to /tmp/pip-req-build-pq79umwc Running command git clone --filter=blob:none --quiet https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius /tmp/pip-req-build-pq79umwc warning: redirecting to https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius.git/ Resolved https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius to commit 0eef9e5b1e36f9e630fe807d407e6ddcfd8e2bf6 Installing build dependencies ... done Getting requirements to build wheel ... done Preparing metadata (pyproject.toml) ... done Requirement already satisfied: django-mailman3>=1.3.13 in ./lib64/python3.12/site-packages (from postorius==1.3.13) (1.3.15) Requirement already satisfied: django<5.3,>=4.2 in ./lib64/python3.12/site-packages (from postorius==1.3.13) (5.2.11) Requirement already satisfied: mailmanclient>=3.3.3 in ./lib64/python3.12/site-packages (from postorius==1.3.13) (3.3.5) ... Collecting django<5.3,>=4.2 (from postorius==1.3.13) Downloading Django-5.0.14-py3-none-any.whl.metadata (4.1 kB) ... Downloading Django-5.0.14-py3-none-any.whl (8.2 MB) ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ 8.2/8.2 MB 34.7 MB/s 0:00:00 Installing collected packages: django Attempting uninstall: django Found existing installation: Django 5.2.11 Uninstalling Django-5.2.11: Successfully uninstalled Django-5.2.11 Successfully installed django-5.0.14 """ Am I doing something wrong?

4 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty 403 Forbidden Error

by Phil Thompson

On 07/08/2019 17:04, Abhilash Raj wrote: > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019, at 8:41 AM, Phil Thompson wrote: >> On 06/08/2019 09:48, Phil Thompson wrote: >> > On 06/08/2019 03:38, Abhilash Raj wrote: >> >> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Phil Thompson wrote: >> >>> I'm in the process of setting up mailman3. The only problem I seem to >> >>> be >> >>> having is getting Hyperkitty to archive messages. Rather than the >> >>> authorisation problems people have previously asked about on the >> >>> list, I >> >>> am getting a 403 error... >> >>> >> >>> Aug 05 15:38:40 2019 (10229) HyperKitty failure on >> >>> http://localhost/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls: >> >>> <html><title>Forbidden</title><body> >> >>> <h1>Access is forbidden</h1></body></html> (403) >> >>> Aug 05 15:38:58 2019 (10222) HyperKitty failure on >> >>> http://localhost/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive: >> >>> <html><title>Forbidden</title><body> >> >>> <h1>Access is forbidden</h1></body></html> (403) >> >>> >> >>> Any suggestions would be appreciated. >> >> >> >> How did you install Hyperkitty? >> > >> > On Ubuntu... >> > >> > apt-get install mailman3-full >> > >> >> You probably need to the set the API key correctly in both Core and >> >> Hyperkitty. >> >> >> >> Have you looked at documentation here[1]? >> >> >> >> [1]: >> >> https://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/install.html#connecting-to-mail… >> >> >> >> Note that the MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = "value" (this value should be in >> >> quotes, single or double, doesn't matter) in your settings.py for Web >> >> (Django) should be same as the `api_key : value` (without quotes here >> >> in hyperkitty.cfg config file). >> > >> > That's all correct. I'm familiar with the authorisation issues that >> > other people have had. >> > >> > The only thing I'm doing differently (as far as I am aware) is that >> > I'm using a URL prefixed with /mailman3 which is stripped off in my >> > nginx configuration... >> > >> > # mailman3. >> > location /mailman3/ { >> > uwsgi_pass unix:/run/mailman3/web/uwsgi.sock; >> > include uwsgi_params; >> > uwsgi_param SERVER_ADDR $server_addr; >> > uwsgi_modifier1 30; >> > uwsgi_param SCRIPT_NAME /mailman3; >> > } >> > >> > location /mailman3/static { >> > alias /var/lib/mailman3/web/static; >> > } >> > >> > location /mailman3/static/favicon.ico { >> > alias /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/postorius/img/favicon.ico; >> > } >> > >> > ...but I don't see this affecting the mailman to Hyperkitty >> > communication. Posting to lists and the Postorius and Hyperkitty >> > frontends seem to work fine. >> >> I have now fixed the 403 error (by setting MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM to my >> public IP address). However I now get a 400 Bad Request error. >> >> I have traced this to the archive() function in >> hyperkitty/views/mailman.py which is expect a POST but is actually >> getting a GET, specifically... >> >> GET '/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive?key=...' >> >> ...which seems to be a fairly fundamental problem. >> >> Again, any suggestions would be welcome. > > It should be sending POST request to archive emails[1]. How did you > grab the above request? Was it from logs? Yes, I added DEBUG=True in mailman-web.py and captured the HTML from mailman.log. > Do you have anything else in the logs? There should be something in > the Mailman Core or web logs should have something. There's nothing useful in the core log. There are 3 preceding entries in the web log... GET /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls?mlist=...&key=... GET /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls?mlist=...&msgid=...&key=... GET /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls?mlist=...&msgid=...&key=... There is one item in the spool directory. These were all (apparently) successful. It seems odd that the last two entries were identical. Phil

6 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3-Web lots of database queries

by Abhilash Raj

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018, at 11:44 AM, Stefan Tatschner wrote: > On Mon, 2018-12-03 at 10:01 -0800, Abhilash Raj wrote: > > So, if you are using Django's ORM to keep the task states in Django Q, this > > is bound to happen depending on how frequently do you run tasks. In Hyperkitty, > > we have some minutely tasks, which means the polling is going to be high. > > > > You can however, configure Django Q to store the tasks outside of database > > in a better high-speed in-memory database like Redis for example[1] for queuing > > the tasks. Other options like MongoDB, Amazon SQS is also available. > > Is it really necessary to have these high complexity? Reducing database > load by introducing another database seems wrong to me. Redis is not exactly a database, it is used as a message broker. The ORM backend in DjangoQ exists for low performance workloads where you can afford to poll the database that frequently and not have negative affects on rest of your system. It also lets you avoid installing a message broker like Redis. If your system does handle a ton of traffic, then it is recommended to use Redis or similar higher-performant systems. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

7 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty Error Curiosity

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/12/20 6:59 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > On 11/11/20 7:40 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> The message has been delivered to the list, but it is not archived. The >> list post has an Archived-At: header with a URL, but the message isn't >> there at all. The only way to get it archived is to correct the message >> defect. > > Does the problematic message (null character) make it to the > hyperkitty_thread table? I thought that saying it is not archived would answer that, but no, nothing about that message is stored in any hyperkitty table. > Can a message with a null character be repaired with an automatic process? Probably, but I don't think HyperKitty should be in the business of attempting to repair message defects. This one issue of a null byte is arguably not a defective message, but rather an issue of storing a null byte in a database field, so maybe something could be done to `cleanse` that data before storing it. If I were going to look at doing that, I would need an example of a problem message, and ideally, an issue in the tracker. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: redirecting -bounces replies

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Hirayama, Pat writes: > So, when I try adding entries to a separate vmap file, like: > > list-bounces(a)lists.domain.info lmtp:[mailman-core]:24, user(a)gmail.com > > It only goes through normal bounce processing. IIRC the usual configuration uses the virtual map as a transport file. The transport file format allows only one result, which must be a transport of the form protocol:host:port. I'm surprised that either of those works at all, as both are syntax errors. (Unless possibly 'lmtp:[mailman-core]:24' is being interpreted as a local but undeliverable address? I forget whether colons and square brackets are allowed in local-parts.) What are your Postfix logs saying about all this mischief? > I'm thinking that I can't combine two methods of delivery (LMTP + > email address). Do you know if that is correct? It's not impossible, I think, but it's probably both tricky and ugly. :^) You need one virtual alias mapping'list-bounces(a)lists.domain.info' to 'user(a)gmail.com' and another address (probably with a "fake" domain such as 'bounces.lists.domain.info'), and the latter address gets mapped in a transport to lmtp:[mailman-core]:24. -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: HyperKitty failure: {"error": "'Thread' instance needs to have a primary key value before this relationship can be used."} (400)

by Stephen J. Turnbull

armin.schoeffmann(a)aegaeon.de writes: > > What version of Django is installed? > 4.1.2 If your main priority is to get mailman-web working, I suggest trying a downgrade of Django to 3.2.x. (Probably x=16 is current but any x in double digits should be OK). We just a couple weeks ago merged patches from a 3rd party to support Django 4. So quite a bit of risk here, I don't think any of the core devs are running Django 4 systems yet, and I know none of the production systems at python.org and mailman3.org do yet. If you're willing to help us get our code in shape for Django 4, of course we'd love to have a beta tester. :-) But to be honest, I have no idea what's going on with that error, and I don't know if either Abhilash or Mark would either. So it may take a while (or Mark could pop up in 10 minutes and wave his magic wand and all will be well -- that's life in the beta lane ;-). Steve

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Database problem after system upgrade

by Lars Bjørndal

I managed to upgrade the database. However, Mailman3 won't start: × mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; preset: disabled) Drop-In: /usr/lib/systemd/system/service.d └─10-timeout-abort.conf Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Wed 2023-11-15 06:49:38 CET; 44min ago Process: 28224 ExecStart=/opt/mailman3/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) CPU: 948ms nov. 15 06:49:38 dalen.lamasti.net mailman[28224]: return self.loaded_dbapi.connect(*cargs, **cparams) nov. 15 06:49:38 dalen.lamasti.net mailman[28224]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ nov. 15 06:49:38 dalen.lamasti.net mailman[28224]: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2/__init__.py", line 122, in connect nov. 15 06:49:38 dalen.lamasti.net mailman[28224]: conn = _connect(dsn, connection_factory=connection_factory, **kwasync) nov. 15 06:49:38 dalen.lamasti.net mailman[28224]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ nov. 15 06:49:38 dalen.lamasti.net mailman[28224]: sqlalchemy.exc.OperationalError: (psycopg2.OperationalError) connection to server at "localhost" (::1), port 5432 failed: FATAL: Ident authentication failed for user "mailman" nov. 15 06:49:38 dalen.lamasti.net mailman[28224]: (Background on this error at: https://sqlalche.me/e/20/e3q8) nov. 15 06:49:38 dalen.lamasti.net systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE nov. 15 06:49:38 dalen.lamasti.net systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. nov. 15 06:49:38 dalen.lamasti.net systemd[1]: Failed to start mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager. Mailman.log doesn't contain any info. How do I find the cause of this problem? Lars

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Python 3.13 compatibility

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Washington Odhiambo via Mailman-users writes: > I think those who want to run bleeding-edge software must be able > to find out the details by themselves as opposed to being told how > to do it. Ordinary souls like some of us must contend with > released versions, not beta :-) Sure, but this thread was occasioned by trying to run the released Mailman versions on a recent Debian, if I recall correctly. In any case, because of the removal of nntplib from Python 3.13, in that situation there are three plausible paths: 1. Install Python 3.12 from source, and use that in your venv. 2. pip standard-nntplib from PyPI 3. run the HEAD version of Mailman core (at least) In this case approach 2 is likely the path of least resistance, but this kind of thing could also happen with the distro-installed Django, etc, etc. It's also possible that the user who would normally prefer the stability of the recent versions might be attracted by new features in the expectation that the next release is close and this "beta" version is quite stable. So I think the "pip from git" approach has occasional value-added to "ordinary souls". -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Bad Signature with Gmail

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/19/20 12:33 PM, Massimo Zappalà wrote: > Hi Mark, thanks for the reply. > > my /etc/opendkim.conf > AutoRestart Yes > AutoRestartRate 10/1h > UMask 002 > Syslog yes > SyslogSuccess Yes > LogWhy Yes > Canonicalization relaxed/simple > ExternalIgnoreList refile:/etc/opendkim/TrustedHosts > InternalHosts refile:/etc/opendkim/TrustedHosts > KeyTable refile:/etc/opendkim/KeyTable > SigningTable refile:/etc/opendkim/SigningTable > Mode sv > PidFile /var/run/opendkim/opendkim.pid > SignatureAlgorithm rsa-sha256 > UserID opendkim:opendkim > Socket inet:12301@localhost > > > my /etc/opendkim/SigningTable > *(a)catania.linux.it mailselector._domainkey.catania.linux.it Assuminng your list's domain is catania.linux.it, what you need to do to enable DKIM signing of this message is add SenderHeaders List-Post,Sender,From to /etc/opendkim.conf > full email django error > Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive > > OperationalError at /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive > (1366, "Incorrect string value: '\\xF0\\x9F\\x98\\xB1\\xF0\\x9F...' for column `mailman3web`.`hyperkitty_email`.`content` at row 1") Unfortunately, the rest of the detail doesn't help. What we need to see is the raw message. You should be able to find it in Mailman's var/archives/prototype/<list_address/new/ directory, perhaps by timestamp or something in the headers. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Re-enable member after bouce processed disable

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/9/21 6:07 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: > Recently I upgraded Mailman to GNU Mailman 3.3.4 (Tom Sawyer) (Postorius: 1.3.5 and HyperKitty: 1.3.4) which is now processing bounces. > > When a member have been disabled due to bounces, how is the member re-enabled? I would guess it would be under the "Users -> Members -> Member options -> Delivery status", but theses are both (Enabled and disabled) unchecked, not indicating whether or not the member is either or. You are looking at the user's list based preferences. If one of these is unset, it falls back to address based preferences and from there to the user's global preferences. You can see all of these for yourself at the Mailman settings choice in the dropdown at your user name, but for another list member you only see the list based preferences. > How do I or the list admins re-enable a bounce-disabled member? Just set the member's delivery status on the page you see to Enabled. Even though it was not previously shown as Disabled by Bounces, it will be enabled. Likewise the member can set her Delivery status to Enabled. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] nginx configuration on a multitasking server

by David Newman

Couple of questions about the sample nginx configuration given in the venv doc and the Mailman Mailman Suite Documentation v. 3.3 PDF: server { listen 443 ssl default_server; listen [::]:443 ssl default_server; server_name MY_SERVER_NAME; location /static/ { alias /opt/mailman/web/static/; } location / { proxy_pass 127.0.0.1:8000; proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; } ssl_certificate /path-to-ssl-certs/cert.pem; ssl_certificate_key /path-to-ssl-certs/privkey.pem; } 1. At least on my system, the proxy_pass statement will only run without errors if I change this to a fully formed URL, e.g., 'proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000'. Is this a typo in the docs? 2. What document root(s) and alias(es) to use for Postorius and Hyperkitty and the Django admin on a server that also runs other services (e.g., Postfix for non-list mail and Roundcubemail)? With MM2, I use location statements with their own root and aliases: location /mailman { root /usr/lib/cgi-bin; fastcgi_split_path_info (^/mailman/[^/]+)(/.*)$; fastcgi_pass unix:///var/run/fcgiwrap.socket; include /etc/nginx/fastcgi_params; fastcgi_param SCRIPT_FILENAME \ $document_root$fastcgi_script_name; fastcgi_param PATH_INFO $fastcgi_path_info; } location /images/mailman { alias /var/lib/mailman/icons; } location /icons { alias /var/lib/mailman/icons; } location /pipermail { alias /var/lib/mailman/archives/public; autoindex on; } What is the MM3 equivalent way to do this? I think root would be somewhere under /opt/mailman but don't know exactly where, or which locations to point to. Many thanks! dn

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: RFC-2369 List-Unsubscribe header missing

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Hi Paul Glad you got that sorted! I wonder why those filters were in there? Not really the kind of thing I'd expect Postfix to be doing out of the box! Looks like you didn't send to the list (at least, I got my copy via personal mail, not the list). Replying for the benefit of Mailman-Users (nothing new to you here). Sparks, Paul writes: > Postfix was filtering the headers. I was not familiar with this > postfix functionality. > > For others who might see this, the filter lines were in /etc/postfix/header_checks > /^List-Unsubscribe:/ IGNORE > /^List-Subscribe:/ IGNORE > > How are you capturing mail at postfix? > > For capturing the email at postifx I used the following to defer SMTP sending. > postconf -e defer_transports=smtp; postfix reload That swooshing sound is that concept returning to hover over my head. > # send the email to the server > mailq > # Use ID from mailq to examine the email using postcat > postcat -vq C23D82B60024 > # Re-enable SMTP sending > postconf -e defer_transports=; postfix reload; postfix flush That's potentially useful in a lot of situations! Steve -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Relay Access Denied

by jkoral＠luc.edu

lstprdls01:/var/log # postconf -n alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases append_dot_mydomain = no biff = no compatibility_level = 3.6 inet_interfaces = all inet_protocols = all local_recipient_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp mailbox_size_limit = 0 mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, listservnew.luc.edu lists.luc.edu myhostname = lstprdls01.svr.luc.edu mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 myorigin = /etc/mailname owner_request_special = no readme_directory = no recipient_delimiter = + relay_domains = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_domains relayhost = smtp_tls_ciphers = high smtpd_tls_ciphers = high smtp_tls_exclude_ciphers = EXP, MEDIUM, LOW, DES, 3DES, SSLv2 smtpd_tls_exclude_ciphers = EXP, MEDIUM, LOW, DES, 3DES, SSLv2 smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Ubuntu) smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated defer_unauth_destination smtpd_tls_mandatory_protocols = !TLSv1.1 TLSv1.2 TLSv1.3 tls_high_cipherlist = TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384:TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256 transport_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 So, you helped me with this before and I think I got the mail to go through now, but now I am getting a different error, which I think may have to do with the aliases. The old server is using lists.luc.edu and the new server is using listservnew.luc.edu, but we still want people to use lists.luc.edu, but it be forwarded to the new server. I am getting this now. 2025-07-22T12:16:14.551521-05:00 lstprdls01 postfix/smtpd[190496]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[10.18.3.105]: 550 5.1.1 <joetest(a)lists.luc.edu>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table; from=<jkoral(a)luc.edu> to=<joetest(a)lists.luc.edu> proto=ESMTP helo=<DM1PR04CU001.outbound.protection.outlook.com>

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: list footer questions

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/7/20 3:22 PM, kelly.close(a)lrewater.com wrote: > Well, Glory Be! My .cfg settings were fine but the public.template table was empty (I'm using PostgreSQL and accessing it with pgAdmin). I had not considered that there needed to be database content representing the template but it makes sense. Everything else is in there, which is the whole reason why we went with Mailman3 in the first place. > > After manually creating this record in the public.template table it WORKED!!! > name = list:member:regular:footer > context = f2p2-test.udfcd-lists.org > uri = file:////var/lib/mailman3/templates/lists/f2p2-test.udfcd-lists.org/en/list… > (username and password were left blank) username and password are only required for basic auth to the URI if needed so blank is correct. However, you shouldn't have needed to do that. I only mentioned it in case there was an entry for the name and context with a URI pointing elsewhere. The default if there is no entry is to use Mailman's normal search rules which include templates/lists/<list-id>/en/list:member:regular:footer.txt. So I have to think that without that entry, it was searching a different templates/ directory. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Member Issue Discovered

by Brian Carpenter

On 10/29/20 11:26 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/29/20 5:17 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> On 10/29/20 4:27 AM, Alex Schuilenburg via Mailman-users wrote: >>> On 29/10/2020 01:57, Brian Carpenter wrote: >>>> With Mailman 3, every list owner has the ability to remove a reply in >>>> a thread, a complete thread, and even the entire archives. That is a >>>> welcome difference from MM2 in my opinion. >>> A very welcome difference, only I don't see this option in the web >>> interface of my debian 3.2.1 installation. Is this a shell only >>> option, 3.3 feature or configuration option I have missed? >> It is not a shell option. It can be done via Hyperkitty but I am not >> sure when that feature showed up. > > Actually, with current HyperKitty, only site admins can remove messages > or threads or the archive. The ability for list owners to do it is > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/261>. Thanks Mark. To clarify more, we have this ability for List owners with our own custom admin interface (Affinity). I thought Postorius had that. When I checked out Postorius, I was indeed logged in as server owner. Sorry for the incorrect info. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Splitting hosts: mta&core vs postorius

by samuel.d.darwin＠gmail.com

> the fourth paragraph: "Because the REST server has full administrative access, it should never be exposed to the public internet. By default it only listens to connections on localhost. Don’t change this unless you really know what you’re doing." Let's say that you are trying to embed Hyperkitty into a larger Django project that's horizontally deployed in an autoscaling group or K8S. The mailman-core component would be better served from a fixed IP address and a single server. In order for mailman-web to communicate with mailman-core, it needs to listen on a network interface, not localhost. So, you'd like to have a config field, and listen on a reachable interface and then configure the AWS Security Groups or Firewall to limit access. The proposed "listen" field is optional, and in its absence, it defaults to the current behavior, which is localhost. This scenario matches the "really know what you’re doing" case. You'd be facilitating a more advanced architecture, although not requiring it, and still default to localhost. However, again I say "theoretical", because we ran into other difficulties with embedding Hyperkitty in a larger Django project. It seems easier to break that into a bite sized pieces, and only address them one at a time.

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: WEB UI fail to reply and create new thread

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/19/20 3:02 AM, Carlo Landmeter wrote: > We are not running in debug mode, we simply set the loggers to log DEBUG or else we don't see much info. > I also doubt the shown error is the problem as I see more template errors. > I have also tried to run the official docker images mailman-docker but im having the same issue. > > When I post via the online form, i can see uwsgi requests with http status 200 from the ajax call, so i would expect it to work, but it does not leave a message in hyperkitty nor sends an email. > > PS emails are send just fine via smtp posting. The error reported from hyperkitty/ajax/temp_message.html in the OP has nothing to do with the replies not being sent or archived. hyperkitty/templates/hyperkitty/ajax/temp_message.html is called to build the HTML response sent to the web browser after the reply has been sent to Mailman core. Abhilash's fix at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/merge_requests/299> will get rid of that error, but I would be very surprised if it fixes the problem. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: is there a mailman command/setting to periodically clean archives?

by David Newman

On 12/29/21 4:11 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 12/29/21 3:58 PM, William Oliver wrote: >> >> I'd like to delete all my archives that are more than a certain age, >> e.g. more than a week old. I can easily do that with a cron job, >> deleting old files in >> >> >> /opt/mailman/mm/var/archives/prototype/testlist(a)example.com/* >> >> which is, as far as I can see the only place archive emails live. > > > Those are emails archived in the prototype archiver. That's all the > prototype archiver does - store the mail there. The HyperKitty archived > emails are stored in the mailmanweb database in the hyperkitty_email > table. Attachments are in the hyperkitty_attachment table and other > tables are also involved. As a followup: Is there any need or advantage to running both the prototype and hyperkitty archivers? I did an installation following the venv directions, and it looks as though the system now uses both archivers. If this is a duplication of effort and storage, is it safe to disable the prototype archiver like this: # /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg .. [archiver.prototype] enable: no and then delete anything under here? /opt/mailman/mm/var/archives/prototype/ Thanks dn

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Finding a user to delete them

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Brian Carpenter writes: > I do think List Admins would want an interface to help "manage" a > user account on behalf of a user then what is currently available > in Postorius. Oh, no question about that whatsoever. I'm quite surprised that this facility isn't present yet. (I rarely make mistakes in mass subscribe and the defaults work fine for my subscribers -- or they make their own changes -- so I can't recall ever encountering this need.) I wonder if in Mailman 3 where user profiles exist and are clearly *not* subject to control by *list* admins in the same way that subscriptions are, and in this day of GDPR etc if maybe we need to restrict admin access to various user properties. This sounds like a rather difficult design problem. > I don't see this functionality built into Mailman 3 nowhere near > the extent that Mailman 2 has. Web interfaces are supposed :-( to be easy enough for Great-Grandma to use, so I imagine the designers didn't think much admin intervention would be needed. > My approach with Affinity is definite leaning very heavy on the > needs of list admins atm. Perhaps that's a good division of responsibility between Postorius and Affinity dev processes. Something to think about. Steve

6 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem with list creation

by Abhilash Raj

On Thu, Sep 17, 2020, at 4:17 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Mark Sapiro writes: > > On 9/16/20 8:25 AM, Pawel Grzywaczewski wrote: > > > > We increased timeout in mailman.cfg > > This looks like the issue in Shashikanth's post, too: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > They are also creating more than 1000 lists. > > Do we know why these timeouts are happening? (Search for "list > creation times out" returns no results in either core or Postorius > issues.) This is the first time I am actually seeing this. I tried hammering a local server with default number of workers, 2, and created 5000 lists in a loop and went through pretty smooth. I am probably not replicating the exact situation, I am using the sqlite database (which I presumed would be slow and choke up faster but...it didn't). Creating list isn't one of the slow operations AFAIK, so I am actually surprised that it needs increasing timeout. It could be the interaction with database layer maybe, but I can't be sure without more debugging. > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 doesn't send Mails to users (Debian12 with Plesk)

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/24/24 2:18 AM, marcus--- via Mailman-users wrote: > > The problem, however, is that it does not send out any mails, nor do they appear in the archive. > > When I look in the Mailman-Log I find: > > May 16 01:44:55 2024 (6833) Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25 This is a misleading error message. It can occur when Mailman's out runner can't read a template. You need to check ownership and permissions on mailman/templates in the code tree and Mailman's var/templates directory which probably has permissions errors from running inport21 as root. Also, if you've set any templates in Postorius, they may not be accessable if your setting for POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL is not good. > May 16 01:48:15 2024 (61252) error opening connection to nntp_host: localhost > [Errno 111] Connection refused > May 16 01:48:15 2024 (61252) NNTP error for list vereinsmitglieder(a)ludothek.de: > [Errno 111] Connection refused Are you gating messages to/from usenet for this list? If so, you have to set host: and port: and maybe user: and password in the nntp section of mailman.cfg -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty: Error when rebuilding Index

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/26/21 4:35 AM, M4tze wrote: > Dear list members, > > if there is any Hyperkitty expert here, I have issues in Hyperkitty > (just updated Maxkings Docker images) when rebuilding the Index. > > Unfortunately, there are more than 25,000 mails and I do not know which > one is/might be broken. Does the error mean that the rebuilding process > is incomplete or does it simply skip the erroneous message? It means the process is incomplete. > Traceback (most recent call last): ... > return self._result.fetch_row(size, self._fetch_type) > UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xed in position > 3209: invalid continuation byte I'm not sure what's going on here. I suspect the issue is withe the `content` of some message in the hyperkitty_email table in the database. You could try a database query like ``` SELECT * FROM hyperkitty_email WHERE LEN(content) >= 3209; ``` If you're lucky, that may just return a few messages and enable you to find the problem one. Otherwise, you could try first running `mailman-web clear_index` and then run `mailman-web update_index` with --start and --end options to specify a date range and zero in on the offending message. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Should I try to install mailman3 on Kubuntu 20.04?

by Sam Darwin

Ubuntu 20.04 will be end-of-life, from a standard perspective, in a year. If you possibly can, prefer to install on the latest version which is Ubuntu 24.04. Another option is upgrading the original server to 22.04. And then, 24.04. Upgrade procedures usually go fine. On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 4:31 PM Bill Oliver <billo(a)billoblog.com> wrote: > > I have been a happy camper running mailman3 on a vps I rent from a > vendor, running CentOS 7. CentOS 7 is past end of life, so I moving > over to a new machine running Kubuntu 20.04 LTS. I have been searching > the intertubes and have seen a bunch of people having headaches trying > it. So... > > Is Ubuntu 20.04 cool with mailman3? Should I go ahead and give it a > shot or use a different distro? > > Should I do the apt install, the virtualenv install, or try the docker > install? > > thanks > > billo > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to samuel.d.darwin(a)gmail.com >

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Finding a mailman3 installation description that works

by Andrew Hodgson

Abhilash Raj wrote: >On Tue, Mar 31, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: >> ralf.wiegand(a)tena-sda.org wrote: >> >> >WE are currently using mailman2. I have the task to setup and install a maiman3 server. Postfix is installed and working. Can anybody point me to a link where the actual installation is described using RHEL 7 or RHEL 8. This will be a >hardened DISA compliant server, so I am trying to avoid installing compilers and tools that are not part of the standard RHEL 7 repos. > >> Have you looked at creating a development environment using a Python3 >> venv somewhere else (eg another server or container) then copying the >> venv out to the production server? >Python virtualenvs are really not movable because of the paths that are in there. It is tricky to get that working right, I would caution against doing that. Thanks for this, I actually did this work over the weekend to test a restore on a new server using the same paths because I was worried about this being an issue. It did work, but the paths were exactly the same. I may have to re-investigate quick restore options (probably writing a script to create the venv and re-constitute the packages). Andrew.

6 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius fails to show list because of a large message being held

by Gilles Filippini

Hi, Brian Carpenter a écrit le 14/07/2020 à 12:54 : > On 7/14/20 6:49 AM, Gilles Filippini wrote: >> Mailman Core logs: >> [2020-07-14 10:41:21 +0000] [36] [CRITICAL] WORKER TIMEOUT (pid:49) >> [2020-07-14 10:41:21 +0000] [49] [INFO] Worker exiting (pid: 49) >> [2020-07-14 10:41:22 +0000] [50] [INFO] Booting worker with pid: 50 > > I am pretty sure that timeout is related to gunicorn. If it is, then > increasing the worker out timeout setting for gunicorn should work. You > tend to get such errors when doing an export of a large membership > roster. This is the first time I have seen it related to a held message. > > I have this in my setup: > > mailman.cfg: > > [webservice] > configuration: /opt/mailman/mm/gunicorn.cfg > > gunicorn.cfg: > > [gunicorn] > workers = 4 > timeout = 900 > > You will need to restart gunicorn after adjusting the timeout setting. Sorry for the late answer, I was afk the last 24 hours. I can confirm that this solution works. Thanks a lot! And thanks to Mark for the added details. But it sounds weird that printing out the number of held messages could timeout because of these messages' size. Best, _g.

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: How to change the language in mailman3

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/17/20 8:22 AM, maszap(a)tin.it wrote: > Hi everyone, > from here: > https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/gnu-mailman/hyperkitty/it/ > I see that there is a way to change the language of mailman3, postorius and hyperkitty > But I don't find how. > I read that you can download the .po files for the chosen language, but I didn't understand how to use these files. > Could anyone show me how to do it? The various message catalogs for Mailman core are in mailman/messages/ and those for hyperkitty, django-mailman3 and postorius are respectively in hyperkitty/locale/, django-mailman3/locale/ and postorius/locale/. The translations from weblate are incorporated in the distribution, but depending on how Mailman is installed, may be out of date. To set language for Django (i.e. hyperkitty and postorius) see <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/3.0/topics/i18n/translation/#how-django-d…>. For Mailman core, set `[mailman] default_language:` in mailman.cfg. You also need to (re)generate the .mo file which can be done with the generate_mo.sh script. See <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/inter…> For Django, you need to generate .mo files with `django_admin compilemessages` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: Cloned mailman3 from the gitlab site, having issues locating the mailman3 file to start it

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/17/24 12:06 PM, Keith Christian wrote: > The path to the mailman3.py file is: > /home/mailman3/mailman/src/mailman/bin/mailman.py > I created a mailman3 user, then, set the ownership on all directories > and files in /home/mailman3 and below to mailman3:mailman3. You need to install all the dependencies and also have /home/mailman3/mailman/src/mailman in your PYTHONPATH. If you just want Mailman Core and given that you've already cloned it from gitlab, I suggest creating a Python virtual environment as the mailman3 user with `python3 -m venv /path/to/your/venv` and then as the mailman3 user activate the venv, `source /path/to/your/venv/bin/activate`, and do `pip install /home/mailman3/mailman` to install Mailman and it's dependencies in the venv. Then you can just run `mailman info`. I suggest a venv for this to isolate the dependencies from things that might already be installed system wide with differing versions. To install the whole suite including the Postorius web UI for list management and the HyperKitty archiver, see https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: New installation, new issue: mailman3 migrate -- no module CommonMark

by Bill Oliver

On Sun, 2024-10-27 at 10:01 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/27/24 05:13, Bill Oliver wrote: > > > > (venv) mailman@mail:~$ pip freeze | grep readme > > readme-renderer==17.4 > > > Which is over 6 years old. Howat did that get installed? Current > version > is 44.0. There may or may not be an issue with the current version as > it > imports cmarkgfm which is in the venv of all the MM 3 installations I > support, but I don't know how it gets there as even though > readme_renderer imports it, it is not listed as required by > readme_renderer or anything else. > > In any case, in your venv, do > ``` > pip install --update readme_renderer cmarkgfm > ``` > That did the trick, though I had to use --upgrade instead of --update. Thanks... Now on to the next step. I don't know about the libraries. Here's my mailman info. It seems like the right version of python. (venv) mailman@mail:~$ mailman info GNU Mailman 3.3.10 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.10.12 (main, Sep 11 2024, 15:47:36) [GCC 11.4.0] config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg db url: postgresql://mailman:qazASD%401cko@localhost/mailman devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ REST credentials: restadmin:restpass Thanks for your help! billo

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: MTA setup

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/17/24 19:32, Arte Chambers via Mailman-users wrote: > > Mailman is successfully sending invite emails however user messages sent to > the list are not being sent to subscribers. Also in Hyperkitty none of my > test messages to the list are showing up in the archive. Are there messages in Mailman's shunt queue? Check for errors in mailman.log. Are there messages for hyperkitty queued in Mailman's var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ directory? > I am using Postfix with an SMTP relay hosted at Brevo.com (formally > sendinblue). Brevo's logs show the message getting rejected > > > Log from brevo.com (SMPT Relay) > Sent on 17-11-2024 21:49:16 >>From listmember(a)gmail.com > To listmember(a)gmail.com > Message ID<CAPesOD1y0fEaG=GFodz=Lgs1m_hqRErPnQcpXCNtKsBbJ= > BJ7Q(a)mail.gmail.com> > > 17-11-2024 21:49:16 > Sending has been rejected because the sender you used listmember(a)gmail.com > is not valid. Validate your sender or authenticate your domain This appears to be something you need to do for the MTA at smtp-relay.sendinblue.com, or possibly something more is needed in /etc/postfix/sasl_passwd. > #SMPT Relay Brevo > relayhost = [smtp-relay.sendinblue.com]:587 > smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes > smtp_sasl_security_options = noanonymous > smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sasl_passwd -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Server error,An error occurred while processing your request. - SITE_ID

by Flo

On 6/21/26 11:25 PM, Craig Leres via Mailman-users wrote: > On 6/21/26 14:19, Flo via Mailman-users wrote: >> I did the virtualenv installation on Debian trixie. >> >> I got mailmanweb running, created a superuser, could login into >> https:// my.site.net/admin (after resolving CSRF errors). >> >> I created a new site (my.site.net) in Django, deleted example.com and >> changed SITE_ID to 0 in /etc/mailman3/settings.py . >> >> After restarting mailman3 and mailmanweb services I get >> Server error,An error occurred while processing your request. >> when I call https://my.site.net/admin again. >> >> Even if I change SITE_ID back to 1 there is no change. > > Two things to try: > > 1) Did you had your hostname to ALLOWED_HOSTS? > > > Finally, if DEBUG is False, you also need to properly set the > ALLOWED_HOSTS setting. Failing to do so will result in all > requests being returned as “Bad Request (400)”. > When adding my.site.net, I needed to add it to the CSRF-hosts. When I added another.site.net, I got this “Bad Request (400)”. And it disappeared as soon as I have added it to ALLOWED_HOSTS . Thanks for this hint. Flo

1 month, 1 week

[MM3-users] Mailman3 upgrades

by Stephen J. Turnbull

dancab(a)caltech.edu writes: > "Loading failed for the <script> with source > “https://mailman3.caltech.edu/static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery/jquery-1.10.1.min.js” > > Sure enough, I do not have that script. In fairly freshly updated sources, I have references to one or the other of > -rw-r--r-- 1 gunicorn root 117370 Oct 19 14:55 jquery-ui-1.10.3.custom.js > -rw-r--r-- 1 gunicorn root 58173 Oct 19 14:55 jquery-ui-1.10.3.custom.min.js in hyperkitty/hyperkitty/static/hyperkitty/libs/popper/popper.min.js.map hyperkitty/hyperkitty/static/hyperkitty/libs/bootstrap/javascripts/bootstrap.bunudle.min.js.map hyperkitty/hyperkitty/static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery/jquery-ui-1.10.3.custom.min.js hyperkitty/hyperkitty/templates/hyperkitty/base.html The last file also refers to hyperkitty/libs/jquery/smoothness/jquery-ui-1.10.3.custom.min.css My guess is all the files you listed are from a recent installation or upgrade, but somehow base.html didn't get upgraded. Based on the principle "always blame the user" ;-), I'd start by checking if our version is shadowed by your local version? Anyway, I bet the version number is wrong in base.html and if you fix that everything else will fall in line. If not, check if popper and boostrap are either older versions or perhaps shadowed by older versions somewhere. A word to the wise: grep(1)ing the .min.js.map files is not advised. They're huge and all one line it seems. Better to use an editor's search function.

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Weird startup problem after upgrade

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/2/22 08:21, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > I am facing an odd situation in which MM3 doesn't start successfully on > reboot, but I can start it manually. > This is a venv install. > This started after I did an upgrade (pip install --upgrade mailman > postorius hyperkitty mailman-hyperkitty) followed by the requisite > collectstatic|compress|compilemessages|migrate > post-update commands. Was the venv activated when you ran pip? You should also include django-mailman3 and mailmanclient in the packages to be upgraded although they are dependencies and "should" upgrade anyway. Also, at least one person has noted that --force-reinstall was required to get all dependencies upgraded <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> > Secondly, it appears that the upgrade did NOT change the versions for the > upgraded components - postorius=1.3.6, hyperkitty=1.3.5, > Mailman Core Version=3.3.5. I was expecting the version to all bump up to > the latest. What does `pip freeze` in the venv show for versions? > Thanks in advance for any insights into what could be causing this. How do you start it manually? `mailman start` or `systemctl start mailman3`? What's the content of /etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing Mailman3 under a Python Virtual environment running on RHEL9

by Odhiambo Washington

On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 6:17 PM Andy Macheta <andy.macheta(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Odhiambo, > Well; looks like I'm much further on thanks to your tips - thanks!! > > So now I can get my local web browser pointing at > http://localhost:8000/mailman3/lists/ and I can see my test list. > But, the webpage does not seem right, i.e. the text has loaded but not the > images and wondering if anyone has any tips on how to resolve. > > I've checked ownership/group ownership of the /opt/mailman/web/ directory > and sub-directories and all is owned by mailman:mailman which I ?think it > should be. Not sure what else to check/do as definitely not a web developer. > The web pages have already been developed for you :-) What webserver are you using? Hopefully you can check the general log or you could log requests/errors specifically for your virtualhost and check those. Also try: venv> mailman-web clear_cache -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Opinions wanted.

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/7/26 15:42, Thomas Hochstein wrote: > John Price wrote: > >> For any setting N items per page, if actualy number of items is less >> than or equal to N, no need to render, no need for dropdown. Don't >> show it. > > Wouldn't that result in a situation where you can use the dropdown to > show more entries, but would often not be able go back to show less > entries, as the dropdown won't be displayed? That's the main argument against it. The counter argument is you can use the browser's back button or refetch the URL without the count= fragment, but there is concern that there could be circumstances where that doesn't work. > For example, if the list has 175 entries and 25 are shown. You would be > able to switch the display to show 200 entries, but then you can't go > back to 100 or 50 entries if 200 are too much for you, as the dropdown > is not shown any longer (because all 175 entries fit on one page that > will show up to 200 entrues). How significant an issue do you think that is? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: default language ignored

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/02/2017 05:46 AM, Marc Sluiter wrote: > Hi, > > one last question for now: how do switch the language of the mails sent by mailman? > I have this in my configuration, but without effect: > > [language.de] charset: iso-8859-1 > [language.de] description: German > [language.de] enabled: yes > > [mailman] default_language: de It has no effect because there are as yet no translations in Mailman 3. You need to create templates in the desired language. See <http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/templates.html> That refers to setting URLs for templates which does work, but the easiest way is to put them in the default search path in Mailman's file hierarchy at $var-dir/templates/. Sitewide ones in $var-dir/templates/site/, Domain specific in $var-dir/templates/domains/ and list specific ones in $var-dir/templates/lists/. For example, a list specific, English language regular (non-digest) message footer might go in $var-dir/templates/lists/mymaillist.example.com/en/list:member:regular:footer > Is it also possible to change the language for a single list? Yes, although that is not yet exposed in Postorius. The list has a preferred_language attribute which you can set via REST or 'mailman withlist' aka 'mailman shell'. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Message-Footer after migrating to Mailman3

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Peter Münster writes: > On Thu, Sep 01 2022, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > I'm not very familiar with Django's handling of such files, > > I don't think, that Django is involved here. Ah, you're right. My GSoC student is working on Postorius so I have Django on the brain. > My language setting is "fr", so I've copied templates/site/en > templates/site/fr and now it works. > > So no real problem, but the question remains: why did it not work > with "en"? The template to be used is determined by the language setting of the user, or the default if the user is anonymous. You have to repeat the process with all of the templates that might be used on your system due to users' language settings. Presumably it *would* have worked for any user whose language setting was "en". But if you do have "de" users, you'll need to replace the "de" template as well. If you mean that you switched your language setting to "en" or have an "en" user, and tested it, we can take a look at it, but as I understand the situation, you have a "fr" setting so you saw the "fr" template. Steve

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: AttributeError: 'MailingList' object has no attribute 'get_requests_count'

by Shashikanth Komandoor

Hi Mark, Any suggestions over my earlier email? I am waiting for your reply. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 1:16 PM Shashikanth Komandoor < shashikanth.komandoor(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Mark, > > Thank you for your help. I have traced the versions of > different components of mailman 3. I am downloading through GIT LAB because > I need to modify the code according to my organization's requirements like > to add SMS notifications when a mail is waiting for pending approval and so. > > With your help, I have found out the commits I am using in my > environment. I got them using the way you suggested "git log". That may be > helpful for you to help dummies like me. > > *### Mailman Core Version ###* > > *commit 437cb49ffc29ef8960ef26d18bd883ed5aa61ded* > *Merge: 98cf97b 0bca998* > *Author: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net <mark(a)msapiro.net>>* > *Date: Thu Oct 15 14:02:36 2020 -0700* > > * Merge branch 'template' into 'master'* > > * Clarify the posting instruction in the list welcome message.* > > * See merge request mailman/mailman!723* > > *### django-mailman3 Version ###* > > *commit d9e675e5cc1b966f9cd02b2e492649972f8ddc40* > *Merge: ea2b33a c091e43* > *Author: Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in <maxking(a)asynchronous.in>>* > *Date: Thu Oct 15 00:40:51 2020 +0000* > > * Merge branch 'fix-ci' into 'master'* > > * Use GHCR for the CI image* > > * See merge request mailman/django-mailman3!108* > > *### Hyperkitty Version ###* > > *commit 36f43466763c2686cf4d69c982ea64b956c30939* > *Author: Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in <maxking(a)asynchronous.in>>* > *Date: Mon Oct 5 04:54:44 2020 +0000* > > * Use GH registry to pull CI image.* > > *### Mailmanclient Version ###* > > *commit aaa529808e2d61899f90509da4ea802a70d2c8ff* > *Merge: ff39dd8 8670751* > *Author: Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in <maxking(a)asynchronous.in>>* > *Date: Thu Oct 15 01:09:32 2020 +0000* > > * Merge branch 'fix-ci' into 'master'* > > * Use GHCR for the CI image* > > * See merge request mailman/mailmanclient!130* > > *### Mailman Hyperkitty Version ###* > > *commit 87db8b03cc4ceba8ef8eafedeaaf11f99f2e50e0* > *Merge: 35ff801 04deff5* > *Author: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net <mark(a)msapiro.net>>* > *Date: Fri Jun 19 18:15:57 2020 +0000* > > * Merge branch 'fix_25' into 'master'* > > * Add a test for the presence of surrogates in the stringified message.* > > * Closes #25* > > * See merge request mailman/mailman-hyperkitty!7* > > *### Mailman-suite Version ###* > > *commit 3b8780f26d544cb333970eae43ccffc7e34314aa* > *Merge: 74e7927 4463b31* > *Author: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net <mark(a)msapiro.net>>* > *Date: Sat May 30 00:32:40 2020 +0000* > > * Merge branch 'doc_mb4' into 'master'* > > * Added comment about OPTIONS = {'charset': 'utf8mb4'} to settings.py.* > > * See merge request mailman/mailman-suite!8* > > *### Postorius Version ###* > > *commit 02e3183c3cd9e069d8d886426b76b08504ea5e1e* > *Merge: 61242d2 321310c* > *Author: Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in <maxking(a)asynchronous.in>>* > *Date: Thu Oct 15 00:43:14 2020 +0000* > > * Merge branch 'fix-ci' into 'master'* > > * Use the GHCR registry for CI image.* > > * See merge request mailman/postorius!549* > > I have removed only mailmanclient and re-cloned it from gitlab and > ran the python setup.py develop command. But still the same error. > > Is there anything else I can do to get rid of that error. > > Thanks in advance. > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> > <#m_6854939421424022049_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 6:56 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> On 10/26/20 6:10 PM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: >> > >> > How to find out the versions of the each and every component >> > of the mailman 3 like mailman core, mailmancilent, postorius, >> > hyperikitty, mailman-hyperkitty, django-mailman3, mailman-suite and so, >> > after installation? >> >> >> cd to the directory in which you cloned the gitlab project for the >> component and do `git log` >> >> >> > If I am running an old mailmanclient or older version of any >> > other mailman component, please suggest how to upgrade either one or >> > multiple components based on the requirement. Is there any link that >> > would help me to upgrade ? >> > >> > I have used the >> > link https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/devsetup.html to install the >> > mailman 3 components. I expected that the procedure followed in this >> > link would install the latest versions of the mailman 3 components. >> > Please correct me if I am wrong. Is there any latest version >> > compatibility table ? >> >> >> If you installed each of mailman, mailmanclient, django-mailman3, >> postorius and hyperkitty according to instructions like >> >> $ cd ~/mailman >> $ git clone https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailmanclient.git >> >> Then set up mailmanclient: >> >> $ cd mailmanclient >> $ python setup.py develop >> $ cd .. >> >> from that document, you should have the latest version. If that is the >> case, `git log` in the mailmanclient directory should begin like >> >> commit aaa529808e2d61899f90509da4ea802a70d2c8ff (HEAD -> master, >> origin/master, origin/HEAD) >> Merge: ff39dd8 8670751 >> Author: Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> >> Date: Thu Oct 15 01:09:32 2020 +0000 >> >> Merge branch 'fix-ci' into 'master' >> >> Use GHCR for the CI image >> >> See merge request mailman/mailmanclient!130 >> >> commit 8670751caff689733751ef323ef521c4a3fa1237 >> Author: Abhilash Raj <raj.abhilash1(a)gmail.com> >> Date: Wed Oct 14 17:36:58 2020 -0700 >> >> Use GHCR for the CI image >> >> commit ff39dd8f03a820f442f2251553c444370df3b914 >> Merge: 80ebed4 76d44e1 >> Author: Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> >> Date: Fri Aug 7 19:35:05 2020 +0000 >> >> Merge branch 'invite' into 'master' >> >> Add support for inviting an email address to join a list. >> >> See merge request mailman/mailmanclient!129 >> >> or if you did this before Oct 15, maybe it starts with >> commit ff39dd8f03a820f442f2251553c444370df3b914 >> >> The particular commit you need for your issue is >> >> commit 86eb0da3cdb48e253b0d36138ab7cf91259a7583 >> Merge: c8dcb1e 28d1c3a >> Author: Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> >> Date: Sat May 16 08:02:21 2020 +0000 >> >> Merge branch 'held-count' into 'master' >> >> Add a new get_held_count() API to get a count of held messages. >> >> See merge request mailman/mailmanclient!122 >> >> >> >> Note that unless you intend to do actual development of Mailman 3, you >> should be following >> <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html> rather >> than <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/devsetup.html>. >> >> -- >> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, >> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >> > > > -- > Thanks & Regards, > Shashi Kanth.K > 9052671936 > > > > -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Retrieve users from a list

by Odhiambo Washington

On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 5:40 PM <pau.baiges(a)csuc.cat> wrote: > A moderator has deleted all the users from a list, is there a way to > recover them? > Adding my 0.1 cents. If all options fail, you can fall back to your MTA logs. 1. Look for a recent post to that list. 2. Head over to the MTA logs. 3. grep for the subject of that recent post from the mainlog or whatever you call it. In Exim we generally call it mainlog (or main.log). If you were logging subjects, then you can tie the subject to the recipients of the mail. Everyone logs the recipient details, right? And we keep logs for at least a month, no? I do. Once you get the file resulting from the grep, you can use some regexp or text manipulation tools to extract all the addresses that the post was sent to. It looks not too difficult from Exim mainlog. Not sure about Postfix and other MTAs. I am very sure this will give you the list of subscribers. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Is there an option to "disable" a list temporarily? (feature request?!)

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Christian Schneider writes: > All this hustle to accommodate users decomissioning a list and > after three days wanting it back... :-/ I'm curious how often you (or anybody) sees this request. FWIW there are 3 issues related to per-list backups. It's a plausible feature (lots of potential applications), so I just added the below to Mailman's 2026 GSoC page, so maybe we'll get an intern to do it. == Per-list backup == In Mailman 2, the list configurations were stored in list-specific structures as Python ''pickles''. Backup of a single list was just a matter of copying the pickle file. Currently there is no way to extract and restore the configuration and membership of a single list from a Mailman 3 installation. This project would involve picking a format such as a Python pickle or a JSON object, extracting the list-specific data from the backing database, and storing it to a file, as well as reversing the process. Tags: ''core'', ''postorius'' === Requirements === * Level: medium * Estimated effort: 175 hours === Mentors === * Stephen J. Turnbull -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

5 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Rafael Mora

Hello, This is what I've got in /var/lib/mailman/var/data: [root@localhost data]# pwd /var/lib/mailman/var/data [root@localhost data]# ls -l total 100 -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 74752 Jul 16 16:44 mailman.db -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 315 Jul 24 10:41 postfix_domains -rw-r----- 1 mailman mailman 12288 Jul 24 10:41 postfix_domains.db -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 318 Jul 24 10:41 postfix_lmtp -rw-r----- 1 mailman mailman 12288 Jul 24 10:41 postfix_lmtp.db What should be the next step? El dom., 23 jul. 2017 a las 20:22, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) escribió: > On 07/23/2017 06:00 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > Hello guys, > > > > This is what I've got on ../var/data: > > > > [root@localhost data]# pwd > > /var/lib/mailman/var/data > > [root@localhost data]# ls -l > > total 76 > > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 74752 Jul 16 16:44 mailman.db > > > > > > What should I do in order to let mailman install the DB files? > > > Run > > bin/mailman aliases > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

9 years

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 on FreeBSD

by Mark Sapiro

On 08/12/2017 04:51 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Aug 10, 2017, at 16:32, John Poltorak <karotlopj(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On FreeBSD they ought to be in /usr/local/etc/mailman.cfg however I don't >> see any indication as to what I should put in this file and if it was in >> /usr/local/etc/mailman.cfg then how would mailman find it? > > It wouldn’t by default. Right now Mailman does not search for /usr/local/etc/mailman.cfg, but that wouldn’t be a difficult change to add. I’m not sure whether that would makes sense as a general default or not. I’m not up on the FreeBSD conventions and standards here; can you explain why /usr/local/etc is preferred over /etc on that distro? I was hoping Abhilash would chime in here, because I think John is using the docker image and there's probably a specific path for mailman.cfg. As far as what goes in it, it could even be empty if you want to accept all the defaults, but you probably want at least [mailman] site_owner: real_person(a)example.com I expect if you do find -name mailman.cfg in your installation, you'll find at least examples. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 admin from mailman2 & File location questions

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/3/21 1:38 PM, bob B wrote: > Question1 > We use help users with list settings, so we would log into mailman2 with the master password. So what is the best way to duplicate this for mailman3. I assume I can just use the admin account and share that password with my other admins. But I see the domain owners, but is that working? I added someone as a domain owner, and they do not see private email lists and it looks like that can not edit any list settings? There was a post that this had not yet been implemented? Any other options? Domain owners should be able to manage lists in their domains, but currently they can't. You can go to the Django admin interface and give any user superuser status, and then they will be 'admins'. You don't have to share passwords. > Question2 > Where are all the emails/archives stored? are they in /opt/mailman/...., or are they in the database? It depends on the archiver. For the prototype archiver they are in the archives/prototype/ directory in Mailman's var directory. For HyperKitty they are in the database. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Archive search failing on one list

by Mark

On 2023-09-24 13:28, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 9/23/23 19:19, Mark wrote: >> >> Yes, the query returns a result and the case in "name" matches that in >> the query ... >> >> select * from hyperkitty_mailinglist where name like >> 'listname(a)domain.com' >> >> id | 91 >> name | listname(a)domain.com >> display_name | Listname >> description | ... >> subject_prefix | [Listname] >> archive_policy | 1 >> created_at | 2023-09-21 08:55:36.385239+2 >> list_id | listname(a)domain.com > > Is that really what you get for list_id? It should have a dot, not at > as listname.domain.com. > > What if you do something like the following where django-admin is > whatever command you use for the Django admin command. > ``` > $ django-admin shell > Python 3.9.16 (main, Dec 11 2022, 12:49:23) > [GCC 9.4.0] on linux > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. > (InteractiveConsole) >>>> from hyperkitty.models.mailinglist import MailingList >>>> mlist_name = 'listname(a)domain.com' >>>> mlist = MailingList.objects.get(name=mlist_name) >>>> mlist > <MailingList listname(a)domain.com (listname.domain.com)> >>>> > ``` My bad. I was in too much of a hurry when redacting. The list_id is as you say: listname.domain.com

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: (venv) mailman-web migrate (as explained) fails with "django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware must be added to settings.MIDDLEWARE"

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/21/23 09:58, Mark Sapiro wrote: > You can verify this by activating your > venv and doing > ``` > >>> MAILMAN_REST_API_USER > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> > NameError: name 'MAILMAN_REST_API_USER' is not defined > >>> MAILMAN_REST_API_USER > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> > NameError: name 'MAILMAN_REST_API_USER' is not defined > >>> MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> > NameError: name 'MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS' is not defined > >>> from mailman_web.settings.mailman import * > >>> MAILMAN_REST_API_USER > 'restadmin' > >>> MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS > 'restpass' > >>> > ``` Omitted in the above was invoking Python as in ``` (venv) mark@msapiro:~$ python Python 3.9.16 (main, Dec 11 2022, 12:49:23) [GCC 9.4.0] on linux Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> MAILMAN_REST_API_USER etc, as above ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] SQL Schema request

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Ruth Ivimey-Cook writes: > Is there any way to get a copy of the mysql/mariadb table schema that I > can then pour the existing data into (i.e. I don't want to reinitialise > the db)? I suspect you alread know this, but the backend database schema is entirely implicit in the SQLAlchemy models. There is no function in Mailman to dump out the backend schema, although SQLAlchemy may have one. AAAAaaaannnnddd ... bingo! https://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/14/faq/metadata_schema.html#how-can-i-get-th… Don't know if that does what you need, but it's the best I can come up with without reading tons of code. :-) There's probably a similar function that allows you to dump all the data in an SQLAlchemy-specific format that you can load back in to a different backend and SQLAlchemy will do the schema translation. Also, have you considered that Django keeps an independent set of tables for HyperKitty and/or Postorius? Same comments apply, except that Django has its own ORM. https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/3.2/ref/django-admin/#dumpdata Finally, don't the backend databases have some sort of "dump schema" command? That might be more useful. Note that I got lucky (yay, Google-fu!) with "DBM dump schema" on the first try so "dump" seems to be the right search term.

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Unable to get mailman3 working on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS

by Shawn Heisey

On 10/27/2021 9:51 PM, John Covici wrote: > I am interested in your docr instructions. I don't use postfix, > instead I use sendmail, but I think I can figure that out, but I have > been having lots of problems installing without docr, and I do have > apache, so this would be great. Send off list if you think that would > not be of general use. The instructions found here are most of what is needed: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/#running Here's the issue where I provided my Apache config: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/issues/525 For each of my mailing lists, I created the list and then imported a mailman 2.1 config. I had problems with the footer being appended to list messages ... it took me a while to figure out how to fix that! You have to delete the footer config file, restart the container, and then if the resulting default footer is insufficent, use the admin web page to redefine it. Instructions for exim and postfix are included on the project page. I haven't used sendmail in many years, so I wouldn't have any idea how to get that working. Even when I was using it, I found the config to be extremely arcane and difficult. Thanks, Shawn

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating mailman3 to latest ubuntu lts

by Helio Loureiro

Hi, I forgot to mention that, but there is no mailman-web on ubuntu packages on 18.04. So I can't find a way to run it. Best Regards, Helio Loureiro https://helio.loureiro.eng.br https://github.com/helioloureiro https://mastodon.social/@helioloureiro On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 at 18:50, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/14/23 10:19, Jered Floyd wrote: > > > > Did you run the upgrade steps? > > > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/upgrade-guide.html > > > > For schema upgrades you will at least need to do "mailman-web migrate", > but please read the entire section as 3.1.1 to 3.3.9 is a big step. > > > These are all important and necessary steps, but "mailman-web migrate" > updates schemas for the mailman-web database. It does not update the > alembic migrations for the mailman database. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to helio(a)loureiro.eng.br >

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman import21 passwords

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/16/24 16:25, Sam Darwin via Mailman-users wrote: > > Why can't passwords be imported from mailman2 to mailman3? How difficult would it be to do? > (is there a link to where this is already explained? ) Mailman 3 users have a _password attribute which isn't actually used for anything. The importer used to set this from the MM 2.1 member's password, but this was dropped by <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/565>. See <https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-developers@python.org/thread/…> for a discussion of this. Also note that since member passwords were stored in plain text in MM 2.1 and periodically emailed, those passwords are inherently not secure and have possibly been exposed so setting that password, even though encrypted in MM 3, is not a good idea. As far as creating a Django user for an imported member, whether or not with the member's MM 2.1 password, it is at least as expensive as just encrypting the password and would result in poor performance. Further, and perhaps more importantly, Mailman 3 is modular. There is no guarantee that any Mailman Core installation into which a MM 2.1 list is imported actually also supports Django users for Postorius and/or HyperKitty. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to limit numbers of outgoing emails per connection

by Jeremy Stanley

On 2025-02-10 12:57:24 +0000 (+0000), Alain D D Williams wrote: > Exim tells me "no immediate delivery: more than 30 messages received in one connection" > > The emails then sit in the exim queue until a queue runner kicks in - which > happens once every 30 minutes. The result is considerable delays which makes > list email conversations bouncy. > > Question: how do I tell MM3 to send no more than 30 emails in one connection to > exim (via SMTP to localhost port 25) ? [...] There are corresponding configuration options in Mailman and Exim, where you need to make sure that the batch size used by the former is less than the limit set for the latter. In your mailman configuration (we use a mailman-extra.cfg in our deployment to selectively extend the default mailman.cfg) add a `[mta]` section with a `max_recipients: some_integer_value` line. This value needs to be explicitly less than the `smtp_accept_queue_per_connection` global setting in your exim4.conf file. It seems to me that the config option in Exim is poorly named and documented, as I've observed that batches of exactly `smtp_accept_queue_per_connection` result in queued processing rather than immediate delivery, which is why `mta.max_recipients` must be strictly less, not set equal to it. Hope that helps! -- Jeremy Stanley

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Message does not appear in archive

by Paul Arenson

Recently I asked my server administrator (large educational organization with many accounts for various sub groups). I pointed out that it might be a while before MM3 is on CPanel. I showed him the documentation at http://docs.list.org/en/latest/migration.html to show how to go from Mailman 2 to 3 manually. He said he might be willing to give it a whirl. He said he might be willing to make our group (GALE) a test case (we have about 60 people in two not-so-active lists). He asked: "I'd need to look into this a bit more to see what's possible. One issue is whether CPanel updates would overwrite any changes made. If you have any more details about it, let me know. We could try it out on the GALE site if you wanted, but I couldn't guarantee that it would work." I take it he can migrate from MM2 following the directions above in the URL. I guess what he means is, once it becomes available in Channel, would it mean more work to get it to work and to update than if we waited for the CPanel version to debut. Since I don't understand much of the install stuff, he would presumably be doing it. Thanks for anything I could relay to him. Paul

7 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: New Mailman 3 installation issues

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/19/21 11:50 AM, Sarah H wrote: > Hi Mark, > > I wanted to make another note on the documentation, the migration documents (https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html#fn2) reference using > > 'python manage.py hyperkitty_import' > > it should be > > 'mailman-web hyperkitty_import' That is a can of worms. It all depends on how you installed Mailman 3. If you follow the doc at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html, the django management command will be `mailman-web`, but installation in other ways can result in its being `manage.py` or `django-admin` or almost anything. For example, https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/pre-installation-guide.html#what-do-i-n… refers to a typical Django project in which the management command is `manage.py`. https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html is inconsistent in itself in that it uses `mailman-web` in most places except the note about qcluster at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html#running-the-task-queue which also links to http://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/install.html#asynchronous-tasks which uses `django-admin`. I'm thinking that we should put a note about this near the top of https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ and let it go at that. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Block members from sending cc's and bcc's

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/18/25 5:37 PM, Cathryn McGuire wrote: > > The .* pattern did not do the job of blocking cc's and bcc's in the Header Filters of Affinity. It lets them go through, even as hold for moderation has been chosen. First, you can't filter on Bcc because Bcc is removed from the message before being sent. That's the whole point of Bcc. In otherwords, if I mail To: the list with Bcc: to others, the list never sees that Bcc: header and can't filter on it. As far as Cc is concerned, if in Header filters you have a rule with 'cc' in the header box and '.*' in the pattern box, the action box action should be applied to any message with a Cc: header. > I've asked EMWD to advise me because I think Affinity is very new, even though Brian Carpenter was developing it in 2020, is that correct? Affinity is not new, but it is a proprietary product of EMWD. If you have set the header filter as above and it is not working, only EMWD can help with that. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty Missing Theme/Style Sheets?

by Abhilash Raj

Hi Andrew, On Wed, Nov 1, 2017, at 12:43 PM, Andrew Hodder wrote: > Well, that can't be true, I'm running DEBUG = False and Django is > certainly > trying to provide static files (as you'll see below): > > I found the issue in the nginx logs (it's connecting to both postorius > and > hyperkitty via uwsgi), it appears when I'm only viewing Hyperkitty's > pages, > I'm getting these type of errors (some changes inserted to hide my server > details): > > 2017/11/01 19:22:04 [error] 64082#0: *75 open() "/opt/mailman/postorius/ > example_project/static/CACHE/js/4ce1260ef558.js" failed (2: No such file > or > directory), client: 10.10.44.29, server: blah.blah.blah, request: "GET > /static/CACHE/js/4ce1260ef558.js HTTP/1.1", host: "blah.blah.blah", > referrer: "https://blah.blah.blah/hyperkitty/hyperkitty/list/ > mailinglist(a)domain.com/2017/10/" I see here that you are running Postorius and Hyperkitty a bit differently that presented in our docs. Settings inside example_project for each repositories are just examples, we use it for testing, and may not work best in production. We recommend that you instead use the mailman-suite[1] to run Postorius & Hyperkitty using a single Django installation. The process for doing so is documented here[2]. [1]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite [2]: http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html#installing-web-ui > So it appears Hyperkitty is attempting to load static files from > postorius's side instead of it's own (I have postorius running under > https://domain.tld and hyperkitty running under > https://domain.tld/hyperkitty/ via nginx). I checked and confirmed the > variables in settings.py: > > STATIC_ROOT = os.path.join(BASE_DIR, 'static') > STATIC_URL = '/hyperkitty/static/' > STATICFILES_DIRS = ('/opt/mailman/hyperkitty/example_project/static/') > > And for good measure, here's the nginx config: > > ------------------------------ > > > > server { > listen 80; > server_name DOMAIN.TLD; > #Redirect to SSL > if ($scheme = http) { > return 301 https://$server_name$request_uri; > } > } > > server { > listen 443 ssl http2 default_server; > listen [::]:443 ssl http2 default_server; > server_name DOMAIN.TLD; > > ssl_certificate "/etc/pki/nginx/DOMAIN.TLD.crt"; > ssl_certificate_key "/etc/pki/nginx/private/DOMAIN.TLD.key"; > ssl_session_cache shared:SSL:1m; > ssl_session_timeout 10m; > ssl_ciphers HIGH:!aNULL:!MD5; > ssl_prefer_server_ciphers on; > > location / { > include uwsgi_params; > uwsgi_pass unix:/opt/mailman/postorius.sock; > } > > location ~ /hyperkitty(?<path_info>/.*|$) { > include uwsgi_params; > uwsgi_pass unix:/opt/mailman/hyperkitty.sock; > uwsgi_param PATH_INFO $path_info; > uwsgi_param SCRIPT_NAME /hyperkitty; > } > > #Make nginx aware of postorius static > location /static/ { > alias /opt/mailman/postorius/example_project/static/; > } > > #for hyperkitty static > location /hyperkitty/static/ { > alias /opt/mailman/hyperkitty/example_project/static/; > } I believe static files are all supposed be rooted at `/static` instead of `/hyperkitty/static`. > > error_page 404 /404.html; > location = /40x.html { > } > > error_page 500 502 503 504 /50x.html; > location = /50x.html { > } > } > > Any thoughts would be appreciated, I'm getting stumped on this one. I have never tried to run 'example_project' in production before, so I am not exactly sure about the reason. This seems overly complicated and I strongly recommend that you run Postorius and Hyperkitty from a single installation, unless you have a very good use case to run them separately. > > > Sincerely, > > Andrew Hodder > Systems Administrator > Support Operations, Afilias > E-mail: drew(a)afilias.info > Phone: +1 416.673.4164 > Fax: +1 416.646.1541 > > On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Simon Hanna <simon(a)hannaweb.eu> wrote: > > > > > On 10/27/2017 04:58 PM, Andrew Hodder wrote: > > > >> Sure thing: > >> > >> https://imgur.com/a/EXv3B > >> > >> Looks like your stylesheets aren't loaded. > > > > if you are running in production (with DEBUG=False) django won't serve > > static files > > You need to configure your webserver to do that. > > You need to make sure to load all the static files using > > `python manage.py collectstatic` > > to gather everything and put them in one directory that can then be served > > by your webserver > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailman-users mailing list > > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ -- Abhilash Raj maxking(a)asynchronous.in

8 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Trying to configure a list (hosted)

by paul＠arenson.org

I guess my message wasn't clear? Let me try again. I have not made any list settings or sent mails because I do not want my archive filled with a lot of test mails. I am simply trying to understand a) why there are supposed to be two ways to sign up--one where you just get the messages by email and one where you are able to interact with the archives and send from the web interface. Example, as seen here---> https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/postorius/lists/discuss.list.tokyoprogres… 1) I was told that Subscription / Unsubscription lets you truly register and that just below that 2) "You can also subscribe without creating an account" lLets you just receive emails but not interact with the archives.post from the web. CONFUSION --> Aside from the confusing use of "subscribe/subscription for both, when I tried testing both options, BOTH sets of emails ended up in my members list. If there is a guide (I was told it is not ready), it would help, but anyway: 3) Can anyone help me understand the problem above? 4) Will it go away if I enter my settings? Will my users (this who truly register with a password) be able to get the archives and post from the interface? The next post is about the other issue:

6 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Can't post to my own list from HyperKitty

by megabrutal＠gmail.com

> Is your login a member of the list? It's supposed to be – when I click „Manage subscription” in the very same thread, it reveals that I'm subscribed. This is why I can't subscribe again. Yet I still can't post from HyperKitty, however I can by e-mail. However, when I checked the member list, I also found my address as a „nonmember” (besides being listed as „member” too). I removed myself as „nonmember”, but I still can't post to the list from HyperKitty. It looks like if HyperKitty would try to use a different „token” when I try to post to the list than the one it shows when I manage my subscription. > How did you add that email? When you find yourself at > https://example.com/mailman3/users and click Manage, do you see the > expected addresses? Yes! I see three of my addresses, actually. > This is normal. Hyperkitty lists participants by address whether or not > the addresses are linked to the same user. Yes, that's right, but I see the very same addresses listed twice, when in reality I only posted with 2 different addresses (of which the second is an entirely different account that by the way can post through HyperKitty).

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Issues installing postorius and hyperkitty

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/23/19 6:43 AM, thushantha.lakmal(a)arm.com wrote: > Hi All. > > Im trying to install the mailmain suite with the postorius and hyperkitty . Mailman installation completed successfully but for postorius and hyperkitty Im getting the following errors .. > > Please can someone help me .. > > > > For postorius (Using pip3 install postorius ) > > ERROR: django-mailman3 1.3.0 has requirement Django<2.2,>=1.11, but you'll have django 2.2.6 which is incompatible. How is Django 2.2.6 installed? If you are only using Django for Mailman (Postorius and HyperKitty), just do pip3 install Django<2.2 > For hyperkitty (Using pip3 install hyperkitty ) All of the below is saying that the install of hyperkitty is trying to install rcssmin, that in turn requires building '_rcssmin' extension which requires gcc. Do you have some other C compiler not named gcc? If so, you might be able to work around this by creating a symlink to your C compiler from /usr/bin/gcc, but it would be better to install gcc using apt, rpm, or whatever your package manager is. > > de41118f448bcb3b8df405c5228e1 > Stored in directory: /root/.cache/pip/wheels/79/50/a5/9410f4b2e62e35c285de46ffa88c2562403cb576e1e7859d68 > Building wheel for rcssmin (setup.py) ... error > ERROR: Command errored out with exit status 1: > command: /usr/bin/python3 -u -c 'import sys, setuptools, tokenize; sys.argv[0] = '"'"'/tmp/pip-install-563o314q/rcssmin/setup.py'"'"'; __file__='"'"'/tmp/pip-install-563o314q/rcssmin/setup.py'"'"';f=getattr(tokenize, '"'"'open'"'"', open)(__file__);code=f.read().replace('"'"'\r\n'"'"', '"'"'\n'"'"');f.close();exec(compile(code, __file__, '"'"'exec'"'"'))' bdist_wheel -d /tmp/pip-wheel-491rzr5s --python-tag cp36 > cwd: /tmp/pip-install-563o314q/rcssmin/ > Complete output (12 lines): > running bdist_wheel > running build > running build_py > creating build > creating build/lib.linux-x86_64-3.6 > copying ./rcssmin.py -> build/lib.linux-x86_64-3.6 > running build_ext > building '_rcssmin' extension > creating build/temp.linux-x86_64-3.6 > gcc -pthread -Wno-unused-result -Wsign-compare -DDYNAMIC_ANNOTATIONS_ENABLED=1 -DNDEBUG -O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector-strong --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -grecord-gcc-switches -m64 -mtune=generic -D_GNU_SOURCE -fPIC -fwrapv -fPIC -DEXT_MODULE=_rcssmin -UEXT_PACKAGE -I_setup/include -I/usr/include/python3.6m -c rcssmin.c -o build/temp.linux-x86_64-3.6/rcssmin.o > unable to execute 'gcc': No such file or directory > error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1 > ---------------------------------------- > ERROR: Failed building wheel for rcssmin > Running setup.py clean for rcssmin > Successfully built robot-detection django-haystack > Failed to build rcssmin > Installing collected packages: rjsmin, django-appconf, rcssmin, django-compressor, robot-detection, django-haystack, djangorestframework, decorator, networkx, django-extensions, wcwidth, blessed, arrow, django-picklefield, django-q, hyperkitty > Running setup.py install for rcssmin ... error > ERROR: Command errored out with exit status 1: > command: /usr/bin/python3 -u -c 'import sys, setuptools, tokenize; sys.argv[0] = '"'"'/tmp/pip-install-563o314q/rcssmin/setup.py'"'"'; __file__='"'"'/tmp/pip-install-563o314q/rcssmin/setup.py'"'"';f=getattr(tokenize, '"'"'open'"'"', open)(__file__);code=f.read().replace('"'"'\r\n'"'"', '"'"'\n'"'"');f.close();exec(compile(code, __file__, '"'"'exec'"'"'))' install --record /tmp/pip-record-6g8g9aoj/install-record.txt --single-version-externally-managed --compile > cwd: /tmp/pip-install-563o314q/rcssmin/ > Complete output (12 lines): > running install > running build > running build_py > creating build > creating build/lib.linux-x86_64-3.6 > copying ./rcssmin.py -> build/lib.linux-x86_64-3.6 > running build_ext > building '_rcssmin' extension > creating build/temp.linux-x86_64-3.6 > gcc -pthread -Wno-unused-result -Wsign-compare -DDYNAMIC_ANNOTATIONS_ENABLED=1 -DNDEBUG -O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector-strong --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -grecord-gcc-switches -m64 -mtune=generic -D_GNU_SOURCE -fPIC -fwrapv -fPIC -DEXT_MODULE=_rcssmin -UEXT_PACKAGE -I_setup/include -I/usr/include/python3.6m -c rcssmin.c -o build/temp.linux-x86_64-3.6/rcssmin.o > unable to execute 'gcc': No such file or directory > error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1 > ---------------------------------------- > ERROR: Command errored out with exit status 1: /usr/bin/python3 -u -c 'import sys, setuptools, tokenize; sys.argv[0] = '"'"'/tmp/pip-install-563o314q/rcssmin/setup.py'"'"'; __file__='"'"'/tmp/pip-install-563o314q/rcssmin/setup.py'"'"';f=getattr(tokenize, '"'"'open'"'"', open)(__file__);code=f.read().replace('"'"'\r\n'"'"', '"'"'\n'"'"');f.close();exec(compile(code, __file__, '"'"'exec'"'"'))' install --record /tmp/pip-record-6g8g9aoj/install-record.txt --single-version-externally-managed --compile Check the logs for full command output. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Whitelist non subscriber

by Stephan Krinetzki

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 08/06/2018 06:43 AM, Stephan Krinetzki wrote: > > > The steps are as follows, right? > > - Add users to the list and give the role "nonmember" > > - Set moderation action ('defer' or 'accept') > > Right. Good. So i understand it :) > > > > The only thing missing in the documentation is a note on how to do > > this via the Admin API. Who can explain that to me? > > Can you be more specific about what you are looking for? If by "Admin > API" you mean the REST API, are you asking how to interact with it or > what specific POST/PUT/PATCH commands to send? > > Or are you asking about the 'mailman shell' command? > With Admin API I mean the REST API from the localhost. Whether it's the REST API, the Mailman shell or the Admin API, I personally don't care. The only important thing is that we can set and use this role. However, I think that's settled anyway, since you're writing > > Also, we want to expose the nonmember role in Postorius and enable > setting moderation action for nonmembers, but we didn't get that in MM > 3.2/Postorius 1.2. So the whitelistening is not working at the moment, right?

7 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Specifying hold reason: non-member, header filter number/regex

by Duane Raymond

> This is because in the chain of rules being tested for the post, the header matching rules are tested before non-member moderation. <snip> > For this one, member moderation holds come before header matches, so I think your issue is only for non-members. If you want that check to come first reorder these lines Great - I'll take that approach and see how it goes and then might tinker with the code so it isn't just a simple first-come-first-server result but can tell me if it matches both a non-member/moderated member filter and a header filter. I'll share for peer feedback and testing (since I'm new to this) as I go. I guess I should join the developers list for this or more just fork the code, make changes and make a merge request? > You've seen the code and the comments in mailman/chains/headers.py. We would welcome a merge request to implement this. I'll give it a go :-) I might need some guidance for my first contributions....but should improve from there as get familiar with the code base and making changes (coding isn't my day-job but I seem to do a lot of hacky stuff for myself so can keep learning). Cheers, Duane

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Archive import fails: "IndexError: list index out of range"

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/4/24 9:42 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Dan Caballero writes: > > > I've got a message that keeps getting re-queued to the > > /hyperkitty/spool/ folder. > [...] > > "During handling of the above exception (expected atom at a start > > of dot-atom-text but found > > '[1db292f04b54496ab40544b0989a2122-JFBVALKQOJXWILKNK4YVA7CPNZSVMZLUPRCW2YLJNRKGK43UPRCXQ32TNV2HA===(a)microsoft.com]>')" > > This is arguably a HyperKitty bug. The email package is correctly > refusing to parse that as a Message-ID (it's been illegal syntax since > RFC 822 if I remember correctly), but something, presumably > HyperKitty, should catch the error and do something to sanitize it to > message-id syntax. On the other hand, I never heard of a message > trigger that exception before a couple months ago, so maybe it's the > responsibility of spam filters. This is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1065> fixed in Mailman 3.3.9 by <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1099>. > In a later post you say that message came back, but I suspect it isn't > the same message, but a new one likely from the same source. I agree. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Too Many From Headers

by Stephen J. Turnbull

dap1--- via Mailman-users writes: > I will PM the bounced email to you since there is too much > sensitive information to sanitize it for this list. That should be helpful. The important questions have to do with how mail is routed from you to the server, and then from the server to Yahoo!. Also, it would be nice to know what other recipient domains are experiencing the same "multiple address in From" phenomenon, and if they're seeing exactly the same thing. > Stephen: I am running a mailing list on my private Ubuntu server > (this is a conversion for a defunct CentOS server) on my LAN. This > is not for personal email but rather for a true mailing list. It is > one list with a limited number of members. I am also running a web > site for several different things. We don't really need to know any of that. We're always interested in people's use cases of course, but that's random curiosity and "user stories" for Mailman marketing, not for support. The routing and the exact content of the full header (and sometimes message content) is crucial to issue diagnosis. Steve -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

8 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 via Docker and NGINX

by Hagen Bauer

is this the complete sitename.conf? I had a situation where I had a location / definition for caching before the mailman one. On 19.12.18 16:03, brian(a)emwd.com wrote: > I have Mailman3 installed on CentOS 7 using maxking's docker image. I believe the installation went fine and running "curl http://172.19.199.3:8000/postorius/lists/" produces the correct output. I also will be using exim and nginx with this installation. > > It seems I am stuck with the nginx setup. I created a sitename.com.conf file in the /etc/nginx/conf.d folder. I have the following inputted there: > > server { > listen 80; > server_name `sitename.com`; > > location /static/ { > alias /opt/mailman/web/static/; > } > > location / { > include uwsgi_params; > uwsgi_pass 172.19.199.3:8000; > uwsgi_read_timeout 300; > proxy_set_header Host $host; > proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; > } > } > > However when I go to http://sitename.com (obviously using an alias here for privacy reasons) I get the default nginx index page. Do I need to add anything to the main nginx.conf file to be able to see my mailman3 installation? > > Thank you for any assistance, > Brian Carpenter > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

7 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Failed first login

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/31/20 6:59 AM, Massimo Zappalà wrote: > Hi everyone, > i installed mailman3-full on debian 10. > During installation, it asks me to enter the admin user credentials. > After configuration, I restart mailman3 and mailman3-web. > When I try to log in for the first time by entering the admin credentials, a message warns me that the credentials are incorrect. > I looked at the mailman logs, but I find nothing. > It seems that it is a django authentication problem, because even in the django admin panel I can't log in. > Looking at the mailman3web db, in the auth_user table, I see the admin user. > How can I see why it does not accept the credentials? > Thank you in advance I have no idea what the Debian package is doing, but you can see the superuser(s) with the database query select * from auth_user where is_superuser; and you can change the user's password with the django admin changepassword command and/or create a superuser with the django admin createsuperuser command. Give the commands with a --help option for more info. Since you can see the user in the auth_user table, try the django admin changepassword command to change the password. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 10 months

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