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[MM3-users] Re: Migrating users from MM2 to MM3 on a new server?

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/25/24 9:31 AM, jkoral(a)luc.edu wrote: > Is there a way to copy users from the old MM2 server to a new MM3 server? Also, will it copy their password as well? The `mailman import21` command imports am MM 2.1 config.pck to a MM 3 list. Passwords are not imported. MM 3 does not use a list member's password. The web management UI (Postorius) and web archiver (HyperKitty) are Django applications and the user has to sign up for a Django account via the web UI. This account is then connected to the users list memberships via the user's email address. Also, see this thread https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: log rotation

by Mark Sapiro

On 09/06/2018 08:34 AM, Dmitry Makovey wrote: > > We're running containerized deployment which complicates the matter > slightly, but having "some" approach for log rotation would be helpful. > So before I dig into the code looking for SIGUSR1 or SIGHUP handlers can > someone point me to a proper documentation for log management with MM3 ? Log rotation per se is not done by Mailman. It is up to some external process like logrotate. As far as reopening logs post rotation is concerned, the mailman command 'mailman reopen' is used for the core logs. What is done for web logs depends on the web configuration. With gunicorn I use if [ -r /opt/mailman/mm/var/gunicorn.pid ]; then PID=`cat /opt/mailman/mm/var/gunicorn.pid` kill -s USR1 $PID fi -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: required cron entries?

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/1/21 12:17 AM, Andreas Barth wrote: > > In my case, this was however > Uncaught runner exception: (raised as a result of Query-invoked > autoflush; consider using a session.no_autoflush block if this flush > is occurring prematurely) (sqlite3.OperationalError) database is > locked [SQL: 'UPDATE mailinglist SET last_post_at=?, post_id=? WHERE > mailinglist.id = ?'] [parameters: ('2020-12-23 10:18:41.030593', 10, > 11)] (Background on this error at: http://sqlalche.me/e/e3q8 > > > The 'fix' for that was turning it off and on again (i.e. rebooting the > VM), but now I have a few messages around. Do you mean you have messages in the shunt queue that were shunted because of this error? If so, just running Mailman's `mailman unshunt` command should reprocess and deliver those. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Unknown attribute: process_bounces

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/18/21 1:29 AM, xlefloch--- via Mailman-users wrote: > Hello, > > I've upgraded my Mailman installation from those versions: > mailman==3.2.2 > postorius==1.2.4 > mailmanclient==3.2.2 > > To those ones: > mailman==3.3.0 > postorius==1.3.3 > mailmanclient==3.3.2 > > I'm having issues in Postorius in the settings section: Unknown attribute: process_bounces. > When i'm printing the settings list for the concerned list retrieved by the REST API, i'am missing all the parameters related to the management of bounces. In the "mailinglist" table of the Mailman database, i have the columns managing these parameters. > > Anyone have any ideas? Postorius 1.3.3 requires Mailman core >=3.3.1 How did you upgrade?. If this was a package upgrade, your packager has produced an incompatible set of components. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core.

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/12/25 15:39, Christian via Mailman-users wrote: > I followed instructions provided here. Well, I rebooted the server and I'm > getting the same error again at the web page of > > "Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core." > > I again found locks in /opt/mailman/mm/var/locks . Once I removed them I > could start mailman. > > Perhaps I made a boo boo. I want mailman to start without locks upon reboot. If Mailman is properly shut down, it shouldn't leave locks. How did you reboot? If your /etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service file contains an appropriate ExecStop, reboot via a `reboot` or `shutdown -r` should stop Mailman appropriately. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Templates and docker-mailman

by Mark Sapiro

On 03/20/2018 02:13 PM, jwhathaway(a)locklaw.com wrote: > > /opt/mailman/core/var/templates/site/en/list:member:generic:footer > > But this is not being honored by the mailman container. I have restarted all of the containers. Is there something else I need to do? That's only one place the template is looked for. The search is first list, then domain then site. So the search will be first in /opt/mailman/core/var/templates/list/<list-id>/en/ followed by /opt/mailman/core/var/templates/domains/<domain>/en/ followed by /opt/mailman/core/var/templates/site/en/ and the first list:member:regular:footer or list:member:generic:footer found is what will be used for regular deliveries and the first list:member:digest:footer or list:member:generic:footer found is what will be used for digest deliveries. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Triaging message non-receipt

by Mark Sapiro

On July 13, 2018 12:11:13 PM PDT, Eric Abrahamsen <eric(a)ericabrahamsen.net> wrote: >All messages are correctly archived in hyperkitty. smtp.log always >shows >"for 5 recips", even for the messages that the two users aren't >getting. >These two users only ever miss messages sent by the other. > .... > >Is there any way to get a better sense of where things are going wrong? >Turn up the logging verbosity? Send test messages? Get more >diagnostics? Mailman has delivered the messages to the outgoing MTA and can't tell you any more. Mailman 3 bounce processing is broken. Look in the MTA logs for more. One possible issue is DMARC, but if you aren't applying DMARC mitigations, that should affect all messages from the Yahoo user to the Gmail user. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.

6 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty archives - new list not archived

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/11/18 11:04 AM, vaarcilal(a)eafit.edu.co wrote: > Thanks! Now a well rendered page from Hyperkitty is shown. Big header: "Page not found". In red: "This page either doesn't exist, or it moved somewhere else." Is this normal since the list is new and it has no messages? > > The cron jobs seems to be OK. It has been like this for 2 hours. Here are the last logs from syslog: Have the 'hourly' cron jobs run? The hourly new_lists_from_mailman job should make the list available in HyperKitty even if there are no posts. You could also try manually running django-admin runjob new_lists_from_mailman If that fixes it, there may be some issue with how cron is running these jobs. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Getting Archives to work - new setup on Ubuntu 18.04 (with mailman3-full pkg)

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/3/19 9:40 AM, kelly.close(a)lrewater.com wrote: > > The error message says HyperKitty failure on https://udfcd-lists.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls. I'm not sure if that's a clue or not - I can see the Authorization Required message at that address, to be sure. I looked into the referenced .py file at the line numbers referenced, and I can see the lines of code referenced in the error message, but I don't know why they are failing. I suspect I don't have a key or password or some other credential set properly in some file...but where? What do you have in your Django settings for MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Walk-thru for Ubuntu Bionic Mailman 3 Full setup

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/12/19 2:54 AM, Michael Sage wrote: > Hi, > I came across this really useful guide (posted to the list earlier). It has all gone really well and mailman 3 is installed. However, I have an issue, when I go to login using Postorius, I get the login page when I enter my credentials the page appears to hang and eventually goes to a Error 500 page. This totally hangs all of the mailman 3 web interface (but not apache). I then have to reboot the server to even get back to the login page. This seems like something I've seen reported before, but I can't find it now. Is anything logged in the various Mailman, Django, Apache logs? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: warning: database postfix_domains.db is older than source file postfix_domains

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/28/20 1:20 AM, Torge Riedel wrote: > > - I have logrotate configured for daily rotate (which includes a > 'systemctl reload mailman') > - I have the cron jobs configured for mailman-web The mailman-web crons don't affect this. Only crons that run a `mailman` command could. > So it could be that cron jobs for mailman-web are running at the same > time when mailman-core is asked to reload after log rotation. Could this > lead to a race condition? > > But as you said: A 'reload' should not update the files. What does your systemd mailman.service script contain for ExecReload? What crons run at the time of the anomalous timestamps? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to let mailman log every single email that it sends out?

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/8/23 12:41, Mohsen Masoudfar wrote: > > I'm curious about the configuration required to have Mailman record logs for every individual email it sends. I see that it sends to the entire list, but I'm interested in obtaining log entries for each email sent to every individual subscriber on the list. > How can I access this information? > > Is it a postfix setting, or a Mailman3 setting? > I have checked /var/log/mail.log and all the logs under /var/log/Mailman3/* > Mailman is running on Ubuntu 18.3 You should see the information about the mail being sent an delivered to recipient MX servers in /var/log/mail.log. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Manual setup - permissions

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/22/19 2:11 AM, Tobias Hachmer via Mailman-users wrote: > > Now, running the scheduled tasks (which run from user+group "nginx") for > django I ran into permission problems, because the nginx user can't > access/write to the needed files in /opt/mailman3/core/... > > If anyone of you is able to read ansible tasks, this is how I set this > up via ansible: > https://github.com/freifunk-mwu/ansible-ffmwu/blob/mail/roles/service-bundl… > > I would appreciate any hints how to run the different peaces of mailman3 > with the correct user/groups/permissions. Set up everything as user:group mailman3:mailman3. I.e., chown -R mailman3:mailman3 /opt/mailman3/web and set the uwsgi service to drop privileges to user+group "mailman3". -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: search this list searches more then just this list

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/15/24 08:25, Marco van Tol wrote: > > Hi, thank you for your message. I dug into what we have, and found this: > > ``` > HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = { > 'default': { > 'ENGINE': 'haystack.backends.whoosh_backend.WhooshEngine', > ``` I have tested and I can confirm that with two lists in the same domain named `test` and `x-test` and with Whoosh as the backend searching the `test` list returns hits from both lists, but with Xapian as the backend, only hits from the `test` list are returned. Apparently when Whoosh is given a list name like `test(a)example.com` it finds hits from all lists whose names contain `test(a)example.com`. This is not the case with Xapian. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 on AlmaLinux 9 - Python3.9 errors

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/18/24 7:58 AM, willie.castillo(a)caemilusa.com wrote: > Not sure what's going on here. This is the output of the "mailman3 info". What am I doing wrong? > > $ /usr/bin/mailman3 info > Traceback (most recent call last): ... > alembic.script.revision.ResolutionError: No such revision or branch '2156fc3f6f7d' The `mailman3` command is trying to run all the alembic migrations as part of initialization and is failing with this error. Thus, it never gets to the point of actually doing what you ask. What is the version_num in the alembic_version table in the database? I.e., ``` SELECT version_num FROM alembic_version; ``` and what does ``` ls /usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/database/alembic/versions/ and grep -r 2156fc3f6f7d /usr/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/database/alembic/versions/ ``` give? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Can't remove footer(s)

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/02/2018 12:14 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: > I have a problem removing the footer(s) from a list imported from MM2.1. I have been testing by entering my message in Hyperkitty (the list forum). > > I an aware about the double footer issue[1], and I am aware that footers are cached, but I have removed the footer files according to [2], run Mailman shell according to [3], restarted the Mailman (Mailman core, Mailan web, Postgres database and postfix). > > Did I miss something in order to remove the footers? Removing the files won't work because Mailman will fall back the the built-in footer. You have to create empty files. The easiest thing is just to 'cp /dev/null' to the footer files created by import21 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing MM3 via pip fails…

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/18/20 10:45 AM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: > Has anyone managed to install MM3 recently using pip on Ubuntu 18? > > I followed the instructions at > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst…. > As soon as I get to the Django part things get hairy. It seems Django requires > something that was removed from it. What exactly is the issue? I just tried following the doc starting at <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-setup> and doing everything through (venv)$ python3 manage.py runserver and I encountered no issues. One possibility is the Ubuntu 18.04 box on which I did this already had ruby-sass and python3-dev globally installed. sudo apt install ruby-sass sudo apt install python3-dev Did you install these? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/30/20 1:25 PM, john_warland(a)hotmail.com wrote: > I came across this same error and solved it doing some googling and came across this statement. > > in main.cf: > local_recipient_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/var/data/postfix_lmtp > > change it to: > local_recipient_maps = > > It fixed the immediate issue but I do not know enough to say why. Hope someone can elaborate on this. Setting local_recipient_maps = disables all local recipient checks. If you don't want to do that, you need to specify whatever the current or default setting is in addition, e.g. local_recipient_maps = proxy:unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps hash:/opt/mailman/var/data/postfix_lmtp See <http://www.postfix.org/LOCAL_RECIPIENT_README.html> We need to update the docs for that setting. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: unknown encoding: windows-874

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/13/20 5:00 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: > Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive > > LookupError at /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive > unknown encoding: windows-874 HyperKitty is trying to archive a message which has declared the charset of one or more parts as windows-874 (a variant of iso-8849-11, latin/Thai). Python doesn't recognize windows-874 as known charset. You can probably find the message in var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/. As long as it's there, HyperKitty will keep retrying. You can move it aside, and if it looks like something you actually want to archive, you might be able to fix it, but that's tricky. The file in var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ is I think a pickled email message object. You can view it with `mailman qfile`, but editing is tricky. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: SMTPSenderRefused - howto enable STARTTLS for local mail drop

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/6/21 11:20 PM, Stefan Bauer wrote: > Unfortunately i need this, as the postfix is listening on all interfaces > and we have the policy to enforce TLS only. Nothing special in the logs: > > Dec 07 08:14:14 2021 (12303) Using agent: <mailman.mta.bulk.BulkDelivery > object at 0x7fbc29b1c4a8> > Dec 07 08:14:14 2021 (12303) Connecting to localhost:25 There should be a `Dec 07 08:14:14 2021 (12303) Starttls` entry here. > Dec 07 08:14:14 2021 (12303) envsender: v-test-bounces@domain, recipients: > ['recipient(a)own.domain'], size(msgtext): 5809 ... > > Is my mailman version maybe too old for this setting? > > I'm running GNU Mailman 3.1.1 (Between The Wheels) Yes, it's too old. STARTTLS support was added in Mailman 3.3.0 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: New install - The Message have no valid senders

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/31/22 00:44, kenneth.karlsson(a)eco.cept.org wrote: > I found a solution, i inserted > > always_add_missing_headers = yes > > in main.cf of postfix. > That seems to make the mail go through. I still dont get why it failed as the From: field was there. There was no From: header in your example. There was an envelope from, aka envelope sender, aka unixfrom, so it should not have failed. The mystery here is why the code at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/runners/lmtp.p… apparently failed to set the `MAIL FROM:` value. However, I think it's all moot because your test sent a message without any headers. A real post would probably have a From: header. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: Debian Package Install - Ownership and Permissions

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/7/23 13:43, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Fri, Apr 7, 2023 at 8:09 PM Andreas Schamanek < > as2020+github(a)fam.tuwien.ac.at> wrote: >> >> I am running MM2 und 3 in parallel without problems, I do have a >> special MTA setup though (Sendmail). Can't speak for Postfix etc.. >> > > Your setup can handle list1(a)domain1.name via MM2 and MM3, simultaneously, > right? :-) It is possible to have an MM2 `list1` and an MM3 `list1(a)domain1.name` simultaneously on the same server, but what is the MTA going to do with incoming mail to `list1(a)domain1.name`. I suppose it could deliver it to both MM2 and MM3, but I don't see any practical use case for this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 Postfix FROM header issue

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/16/23 8:00 AM, eboltz(a)lhtservices.com wrote: > Installed MM3 on Debian 11, followed the steps from the MM3 website. > > I'm running into issues with Postfix headers. I can only get postfix to send emails to/from the list if I set the sender_canonical_maps in the main.cf file. I don't want to have to use that as I'd like the recipient to receive the following in their email header: <Subscriber> via <List Name> <FROM:LIST@DOMAIN>. But if I do the sender_canonical_maps, then the <FROM:LIST@DOMAIN> and all email headers are overwritten by the maps email address. In Postorius -> Settings -> DMARC Mitigations set DMARC mitigation action to Replace From: with list address and DMARC Mitigate unconditionally to Yes. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Is it possible to upgrade from Debian 11 to Debian 12 with Mailman3?

by Mark Sapiro

On December 20, 2023 7:20:17 AM GMT, Pierre Malard via Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: >Ok, don’t throw any more away! > >If you really don't recommend the Debian packaged solution, I just have one question: >Why have you included it in the Debian "main" repositories for so long? We have no control over what's in Debian repositories. Maintenance and distribution of the Debian packages is done by Debian. We would love it if all the downstream distributions included up to date and bug free Mailman packages. The problem is when people encounter difficulty with a downstream package, we are often unable to help because we don't know the details of that package. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Internal Server Error: /mailman3/accounts/fedora/login/

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/2/24 2:30 PM, Alain D D Williams wrote: > Twice today I have received many (50+) emails like the one below. > > Many at about 1pm, then it stopped now I am getting them again. > An Internet search does not bring up anything useful. This is similar to https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… although the URL is different. I see these from time to time on this list, although I don't get the emails from Django, probably because I don't define EMAIL_HOST in Django's settings. See https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/5.1/howto/error-reporting/ The bottom line is this is some kind of script kiddies attack, but the query fragment in the URL is malformed and causes the error. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Error when sending customized welcome message template

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/13/25 2:54 PM, Markus Grandpré wrote: > Dear List, > > As soon as a template "[list:user:notice:welcome]" exists, and at least > one email address is provided during mass subscribe, while sending an > invitation is disabled and sending a welcome message is enabled, the > following error occurs: > > HTTP Error 400: ('Connection aborted.', ConnectionResetError(104, > 'Connection reset by peer')) Was this template set in Postorius? If so, there is an issue with your setting for POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL. The default is ``` POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = http://localhost:8000/ ``` which should work if your wsgi server is listening on the local host, port 8000, but setting it to the base scheme and host you use to access Postorius is generally good. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 month, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Functionailty of web host domains

by Mark Sapiro

On 06/15/2018 12:37 PM, Johannes Winter wrote: > > For each domain you can specify a "web host". But when I specify a > different one than the default for one domain, and make it accessible > with specifying `DJANGO_ALLOWED_HOSTS`, all mailinglists from the other > web hosts are also shown when I access the second site. > > So does this 'web host' option have a meaning, or is it just an alias > for the first site? This is a 'site' as implemented in Django <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/2.0/ref/contrib/sites/>. I.e., it provides ways to do different things or retrieve different content based on site, but I don't see that either Postorius or HyperKitty makes use of it in this way. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Selective mailing

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/26/19 2:39 PM, chucka(a)blackforest-co.com wrote: > I'm trying to find out if I move my web site to a hosting company > using MM Ver 3 - with SQL. If I have a membership list in MySql used by MM > - can I send an email to a select group? ["Your dues are due"]. > > Assumes the MM tables can be accessed? Anyhow what I want to do is: > send message96 where expire > next month > else > send message95 Even if The particular Mailman instance uses MySQL for its database, the tables are very specific to Mailman. It is not possible to tell Mailman that some arbitrary membership table or the result of some arbitrary query is to be used to determine the recipients of a message. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Timeout in Postorius when trying to approve or reject moderated messages

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/27/20 8:07 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > Right now everything is running as root (except for Apache). I realized > too late that I should've used a mailman user. Could that be the reason > for the issue? Since you have determined it was a browser issue, that probably isn't the reason, but running Mailman as root is a bad idea in general for security reasons. I don't know if it's relevant or not, but I have just recently had issues with Firefox not working properly on two different (not mailman) web sites, and these issues were fixed by clearing cookies and cached data from the affected sites and restarting Firefox. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: What's the difference between (purpose of) reject and ignore

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/23/22 12:37, denis.bitouze(a)univ-littoral.fr wrote: > Hi, > > at a page of the form .../postorius/lists/mylist/held_messages, it is > possible to: > > - Accept > - Reject > - Ignore What is the Postorius version and is it installed from source, pip or as package and if as package, what package? The choices should be Accept, Reject and Discard. There should be no Ignore choice, but I'm guessing you see them in French where the translation of Discard is Ignorer. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/blob/master/src/postorius/locale/fr/…. The difference between Reject and Discard is Reject notifies the sender of the rejection whereas Discard just discards the message without notification. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Internal Server Error: /mailman3/accounts/fedora/login/

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/27/22 10:27, Mohsen Masoudfar wrote: > Hi, > I am getting the following errors starting some days ago. It is unclear to me what is causing this. I searched internet, there are some similar reports that mention bugs causing this. I am running mailman3 as Ubuntu 18 package and they do not provide any update for this. These are probably from some spammer trying to post to the sec_g_zoom(a)listserv2.aaas.org list from hyperkitty and trying to login via the fedora OpenID app which is not properly configured on your server. Do you actually want to support fedora as an OpenID provider? If not, you might remove 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora', from INSTALLED_APPS in your Django settings. Otherwise, see https://django-allauth.readthedocs.io/en/latest/providers.html#openid -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: REST API: potential bug

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/14/25 11:10, Peter Knowles via Mailman-users wrote: > I'm starting to develop against the REST API and found what might be a bug in the validation process. > > Sending a POST request with an "empty" payload returns 201 (created): > > http://localhost:8001/3.1/domains What Mailman version is this? With the current head of the GitLab branch, I get $ curl -urestadmin:restpass \ > --request POST \ > http://localhost:8001/3.1/domains {"title": "400 Bad Request", "description": "Missing Parameter: mail_host"} This may have been fixed for Mailman 3.3.10 by https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1186 although it isn't clear to me why that would change this behavior. The only other recent change is https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1320 and I can't see that changing this behavior. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Missing styling on select pages

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/8/25 19:36, grodriguez(a)usra.edu wrote: > > For the most part, everything is looking good except for some select pages that do not contain the styling like all other pages. > > When a user sees the "Verify Your Email Address" screen, it's without any of the styling. > /accounts/confirm-email/ > > Same for when a user tries to reset their password. The initial screen looks good (with styling), but after entering the email address and clicking "Reset My Password", the following screen is bare. > /accounts/password/reset/done/ These and others are fixed for django-mailman3 1.3.16 (not yet released). See https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/issues/84, https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/issues/85, https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/issues/86 and https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/issues/87 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 weeks, 1 day

[MM3-users] Re: Changing Mailman's "from" domain - redux

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/23/19 5:33 AM, roger(a)reasonal.com wrote: > (this is a posting directly into this web ui as mails to this list just vanish without a trace) Most of us have no problem posting by email. Can you provide more info. Even a time stamp would enable looking at the mail.log on mailman3.org. > Anyone? Anyone? With reference to the original mail here https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… > > It seems that the "From" domain field is set by Postorius, but I can't find anything in its documentation on how to change it. It is set in core. See my reply to the original mail (just sent) at <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to strip DKIM headers on a domain level or a list level

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/23/20 7:22 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: > > I also believe that it’s common for unsophisticated users to just start marking list emails as spam stop seeing them instead of figuring out how to unsubscribe. Which really sucks for everyone else. Several servers I'm involved with managing are subscribed to Yahoo's feedback loop (go to https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster and select "Complaint Feedback Loop"). Reporting list mail as spam is one way to get quickly removed from a list. However, this is a bit complicated because the "report spam" button in Yahoo's web mail UI is right next to the "delete" button, so some reports are accidents. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman notify generating emails for request that aren't visible.

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/31/21 10:42 PM, Simon Coggins wrote: > Looking at the code in gitlab it looks like it wasn’t merged until 1.3.6: > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/blob/1.3.6/src/postorius/urls.py#L53 > > But it’s not in 1.3.5: > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/blob/1.3.5/src/postorius/urls.py#L49 Yes, I was mistaken. That code was merged on 14 Feb 2021 and is not in Postorius 1.3.4 which was released on 2 Feb. It should have been in 1.3.5 and I don't know why it is not at https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/blob/1.3.5/src/postorius/urls.py#L49, but that is moot in any case. > Thats ok, I’m going to 1.3.6 in a few days so that should solve my issue. OK -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Timeout error on anonymous subscribe

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/22/24 23:07, Gerald Vogt wrote: > > For testing I have set > > POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://lists.example.org' > > to the URL of our main domain, however, if I test an anonymous subscribe > through the list info page I still get the timeout error This will have no effect unless you delete and recreate the template in Postorius because simple changing the setting won't change the `uri` in the template table. > I can access > http://localhost:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/community.lists.example.c… with curl and immediately get the response. Can you do that as the Mailman user?, e.g. ``` sudo -u mailman curl http://localhost:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/community.lists.example.c… ``` assuming the Mailman user is `mailman`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Remove message from send queue

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/15/19 3:48 AM, Johannes Winter wrote: > Dear MM3 list, > > A address with false syntax got added accidentally to one of our lists. > The smtp server now rejects the mail with the following error codes > found in mailman.log: ... > How to remove this mails from the queue? Removing the address from the > list doesn't help. The status returned by the MTA is retryable (401) so Mailman will retry at 15 minute intervals for 5 days and then give up. If you want to get rid of the message before the 5 days are up, it is in Mailman's var/queue/retry/ queue. You can examine it with 'mailman qfile' to make sure you have the right message and then just remove it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Template's encoding setup

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/12/19 1:16 PM, Ugnius wrote: > > I use Lithuanian language (it has special characters like ąčįū...) for regular message template feature. I noticed that some posts come correct, but some have question marks (?) in places of these characters. Looks like there is sittings trick. But footers adds mailman, so it should be always correct, or it depends on senders environment setup? Have you set your list's preferred language to Lithuanian (lt)? If so, Mailman's character set for that language is iso-8859-13. If the list's preferred language is English, Mailman's character set for that language is us-ascii. These are artifacts from Mailman 2.1 and should ultimately be changed to utf-8, but in the mean time, templates need to be encoded in the appropriate character set. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Separating Lists by Domain

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/1/20 9:59 AM, Sven Seeberg via Mailman-users wrote: > >> Is it possible to have only the lists to show that are part of the >> domain being used to access? This is the setting FILTER_VHOST = True. It causes problems in Postorius and doesn't work well in HyperKitty. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/394> and <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/254>. Both these issues are fixed for the next releases of Postorius and HyperKitty which should be out later this month. > On > top of that another question: is it possible to add user accounts that > can manage lists for one domain but not other domains? We already have the concept of domain owner, but implementation of domain owner permissions is not yet done. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: global preferences

by Mark Sapiro

Again, please don't hijack threads. Post a new topic by composing a new message to mailman-users(a)mailman3.org, not as a reply to another list message. On 5/3/23 07:59, Christian via Mailman-users wrote: > Are checks and changes to global preferences for all lists to be made via a GUI or is it editing settings.py directly please? Thank you! You can set your global preferences via Postorius (select Mailman settings from the drop-down at the right of the top nav bar). These are the settings for the user that will apply if there is no applicable list-based or address-based setting. They are specific to the user. The defaults for these are defined in mailman/core/constants.py. They are Mailman core settings and have nothing to do with Django's settings.py. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: All messages to a new list/domain shunted from "in" queue with no logged exceptions

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/25/23 16:25, Jered Floyd wrote: > Via mailman-web. I’ll try to reproduce the behavior tomorrow, once I am home from another episode of turkey overconsumption. > > I confess that I am not a python expert - once I create a new list, what’s the easiest way to inspect the object state? ``` $ mailman shell -l list(a)example.com Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. The variable 'm' is the list(a)example.com mailing list >>> print(m.dmarc_addresses) [] >>> ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Error when click on mailing list: An error occurred while processing your request.

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/9/24 6:11 PM, adam.heathcote(a)utas.edu.au wrote: > > mailman members -R owner your_list(a)your.domain > > Shows myself as an owner as well as the imported owners from the previous list. You originally wrote: "but now when clicking on the list, Postorius shows: An error occurred while processing your request." I'm guessing you are clicking the list in the Postorius `Mailing Lists` view, i.e. something like https://example.com/mailman3/ or https://example.com/mailman3/lists, and you are logged in, and the link is to https://example.com/mailman3/lists/listname.example.com. What if you go to that page without being logged in, or logged in as a different user? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: bypassing rules on an individual basis

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/4/25 08:10, via Mailman-users wrote: > I have a mailing list that, due to specific circumstances, has a requirement to allow messages from a user that sends messages with no subject. I've added the address to the "Accept these non-members" collection, but messages from that address still get held for moderation, due to the no-subect rule. Do not add the address to accept_these_nonmembers. Is the user a member? If so, go to the `Members` list, click on the user (search if necessary), scroll down to Administration options Moderation and set the dropdown to `Accept immediately (bypass other rules)` and click the Save changes button below that. If the user is not a member, do the same thing, but use the `Non-Members` list. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 weeks, 6 days

[MM3-users] Re: Upgrading from 3.1 to 3.2

by Mark Sapiro

On 07/17/2018 07:29 PM, Joe Steeve wrote: > > I have a 3.1 installation. I want to upgrade to 3.2. > > Has anyone attempted this? Any gotchas I need to be aware of? Yes. The gotcha is the web UI (postorius, hyperkitty, django-mailman3 and thus the WSGI process under which Django runs is Python 2.7 in Mailman 3.1 and associates and Python 3.5+ in Mailman 3.2 and associates. This migration can be tricky depending on your exact configuration. The most difficult situation I encountered was on a server that also supported MoinMoin which is a Python 2.7 WSGI process. Thus I needed both Python 2.7 and Python 3 WSGI support. I wound up leaving the Python 2.7 mod_wsgi in Apache and proxying the Mailman 3 URLs to gunicorn for Python 3 support. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: autoresponse not sent

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/19/18 8:21 AM, shadiakiki1986(a)gmail.com wrote: > Hello. Newbie to mailman here. > I tried out mailman3 today. My setup is > - mailman3 suite using the docker-compose file from asynchronous.io > - exim4 on the local machine and configuring it as smarthost using mailgun smtp server > > The emails to the mailing list are received by the subscribers, > but the autoresponse is not being received by the sender (who is not from the subscribers list). > I'm not sure if the problem is from mailman-core, settings from mailman-web, or from exim. This is most likely <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/504>. The fix has been in the master branch for a couple of months but is not in 3.2.0. It may be in the asynchronous.io "rolling release". -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moving from forum to Mailman 3

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/7/20 2:52 PM, Jonathan M wrote: > What ways are there to move a forum to an existing Mailman 3 list, so that each old forum message is displayed in the archive as if it had been an email? Can you export the posts from the forum in a format that looks like email messages? Python's standard library mailbox module can be used to read a set of messages in any of Maildir, mbox, MH, Babyl, or MMDF format and write them to a mbox format file which can then be imported into HyperKitty. The requirements are that the exported messages have headers like an email message. At a minimum, From:, Date: and Subject:. See <https://docs.python.org/3/library/mailbox.html> for more detail about mailbox formats. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Footer question...

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/27/21 4:06 AM, David Partain via Mailman-users wrote: > > I migrated > 1200 lists from an old mailman2 installation. That brought along all of the footers (naturally), and now I'm trying to get rid of them but failing miserably. I've spent a fair bit of time reading archives of this list, but I'm still stuck. > > Here's what's configured... > > In /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > var_dir: /var/lib/mailman3 > # Root directory for site-specific template override files. > template_dir: $var_dir/templates ... > Anyone have suggestions of what I can do? rm -rf /var/lib/mailman3/templates/lists/* This will allow the template search to fall back to the default. If you want to customize that, you can put custom templates in /var/lib/mailman3/templates/site/en/. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Issues with importing archives from a particular list

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/13/22 4:33 AM, Prasanth Nair wrote: > Hello, > > We are trying to import archives from Mailman2 to Mailman3. For a > particular list, it is not importing all of the messages. We can see that > Mailman2 has archives from 2015 to 2022. But, it only imports messages from > 2018 to 2022 to the Mailman3 server. It was not giving any errors while > importing. The problem list probably already had an archived message from 2018. If you don't specify a --since= date for hyperkitty_import, it only imports messages newer than the newest existing message in the archive. You can run it again with, e.g., --since=2000-01-01. It won't reimport the messages already imported because of duplicate message ids. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: More Mailman releases!

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/24/23 6:12 AM, Wikinaut wrote: > After installing the last program to be updated (mailman-web), the archives become unavailable due to (again) some glitches with the urls. > I did not(!) change the /etc/mailman3/ configuration files. > > before upgrade, example.com/mailman3/lists/mylist.mydomain (=> worked) > after upgrade, example.com/postorius/lists/mylist.mydomain failed Did example.com/postorius/lists/mylist.mydomain work before the upgrade? Does example.com/mailman3/lists/mylist.mydomain work after upgrade? > Why and who changed my settings? The latest mailman-web upgrade added entries to urls.py. mailman-web<0.0.8 would recognize only the /mailman3/ and /archives/ urls. mailman-web=0.0.8 still recognizes those and now also recognizes /postorius/ and /hyperkitty/ urls. If /postorius/ and /hyperkitty/ urls are not working for you now, the issue is probably in your web server configuration. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman_web'

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/31/23 14:41, gordon(a)dickens.com wrote: > This is the entire error sent via email every minute or so: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web", line 5, in <module> > from mailman_web.manage import main > ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman_web' What is the content of /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages? In particular is there a mailman-web directory there? Also, /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python is probably a symlink to some system python file which may no longer exist or may be a version other than Python 3.9. Does /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python invoke Python 3.9? If not, is there a Python 3.9 anywhere on your system? If so change the /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python symlink to point to it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Change config to create a new list with all archives off

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/21/24 05:39, Danil Smirnov wrote: > > What you can do is create a style in Python and make that the >> default. In $SITE_PKGS/mailman/styles/default.py, append: >> >> -------------------------------- cut here -------------------------------- >> from mailman.interfaces.archiver import ArchivePolicy >> >> @public >> @implementer(IStyle) >> class ArchivesDefaultDisabledStyle(LegacyDefaultStyle): >> >> """The legacy default style with archiving disabled.""" >> >> name = 'archives-disabled' >> description = _('Ordinary discussion mailing list style,' >> ' with archiving disabled') >> >> def apply(self, mailing_list): >> super().apply(self, mailing_list) The above line should be `super().apply(mailing_list)` >> mlist.archive_policy = ArchivePolicy.never -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Automatic migration from Mailman 2.1 (Debian buster) to Mailman 3 (Debian bookworm)

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/25/24 11:49 AM, Marc SCHAEFER wrote: > > This. Sorry, I mixed From: with Subject: and the content: > > Date: Sat, 25 May 2024 13:37:29 -0000 > From: postorius(a)lists2.alphanet.ch > To: schaefer@XXX > Subject: [example.com] Please Confirm Your E-mail Address > > Hello from example.com! > > You're receiving this e-mail because user Schaefer-XXX has given your e-mail > +address to register an account on example.com. > > To confirm this is correct, go to [ ... ] > > Thank you for using example.com! > example.com > > I guess it's the same SITE_ID setting in Django's DB: Yes, that's what it is. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

10 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Filter question

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/8/25 18:14, Chris via Mailman-users wrote: > Hey Mark, > > thank you for the fast reply. > > I've added image/png and in a former test "image" (to hit all image types) > But also with image/png the image is not shown. Because the image part had a filename with a .png extension and you have Allow Extensions .zip .7z so parts with filename with other than those 2 allowed extensions will be removed. That allow extensions won't do what you want anyway because they will have mime type like application/zip and application/x-7z-compressed and you aren't allowing those. Allow extensions should not be set because if it is non-empty, any part that has a filename with an extension not in that list will be removed. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Problems with mailman core translation and other details

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/7/24 12:47, Celi via Mailman-users wrote: > yes. thank you for asking. > > > > Em 07/02/2024 16:46, Mark Sapiro escreveu: >> On 2/6/24 2:41 PM, celi--- via Mailman-users wrote: >>> It´s the case below: the pair msgid/msgstr seems to be OK, but this >>> particular sentence is not being translated. >>> >>> #: templates/postorius/lists/summary.html:88 >>> #, python-format >>> msgid "" >>> "\n" >>> " To subscribe you can send an email with 'subscribe' >>> in the" >>> "subject to\n" >>> " <a href=\"mailto:%(address)s?subject=Subscribe\">" >>> "%(address)s</a>\n" >>> " or use the form below:\n" >>> "" ... >> >> >> Is the rest of that page translated appropriately? There is a possible issue with msgid "" "\n" " To subscribe you can send an email with 'subscribe' in the" "subject to\n" " <a href=\"mailto:%(address)s?subject=Subscribe\">" "%(address)s</a>\n" " or use the form below:\n" "" it should be msgid "" "\n" " To subscribe you can send an email with 'subscribe' in the " "subject to\n" " <a href=\"mailto:%(address)s?subject=Subscribe\">" "%(address)s</a>\n" " or use the form below:\n" Ignore the folded line, but note the trailing space in " To subscribe you can send an email with 'subscribe' in the " If that's the issue it is with the Debian package. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty Archives - Sidebar years/months

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/22/18 1:25 PM, Enrique Terrazas wrote: > > If I modify the URL to go to https://my.domain.org/hyperkitty/list/list@domain.com/2013/11 the archived emails show up fine. October 2018 shows two test messages I’ve sent but not any of the messages from October 2018 that should have been imported. Is there something additional that needs to be done to show the previous years and months in the sidebar? Are you running the periodic Django jobs? See <http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html#scheduled-tasks-required> There have been and probably still are, depending on version, issues in this area. Many of these issues are fixed by the some of the Django periodic jobs python /path/to/manage.py runjob xxx where xxx is cache_cleanup daily_cleanup orphan_emails thread_order_depth and thread_starting_email. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to get Hyperkitty to show actual sender e-mail addresses?

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/24/20 4:09 AM, Hans-Martin Mosner wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to show actual sender e-mail addresses (basically to block spammers sending to a list that is used as a contact > address, so it has no moderation for non-member postings). Hyperkitty just show the display name, which not very > informative. If you click the display name, you'll see the user's profile including email address. If you want to see the user's email address directly in the thread or message view, that is what will be displayed if the original message's From: contained only the address with no display name, but otherwise, there's no config setting for this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: cache files?

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/12/21 9:53 AM, Dave McGuire wrote: > > Hi folks. I'm seeing quite a few .css files, thousands of them > totaling 600+MB, building up in /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/CACHE/css. > Some of them date back to when I set up the mm3 instance a few years ago. > > Is this expected, or am I missing a cron job or something to clean > them up? This is not expected. I don't see it on the instances I manage. In the `static` directory, I see ``` $ du -h -d 1 1.7M ./admin 12K ./facebook 68K ./django_extensions 4.0K ./browserid 68K ./django-mailman3 2.6M ./postorius 12K ./paintstore 1.6M ./rest_framework 5.2M ./hyperkitty 404K ./CACHE 12M . $ find -type f|wc 401 401 18253 ``` I think when you run the Django admin `collectstatic` command, you need to specify the `--clear` option. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: NNTP support

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/5/22 06:49, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Philip Colmer writes: > > > Does it only support sending emails to a configured news server or does it > > support NNTP access to itself by user client software? > > The gateway is bidirectional. Mail to news is handled by Mailman > daemons as part of the mail processing standard pipeline. News to > mail is handled by a separate process provided by the mailman command > and managed by cron. Each list can be configured for each direction > separately. This is correct for MM 2.1 and MM 3 < 3.3.5. Since 3.3.5, Mailman 3 runs the separate gatenews process via a periodic task within its own processes and no longer relies on cron. Mailman does not have an NNTP client for accessing messages within Mailman. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: Apple Mail encoding again

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/20/22 07:54, Rainer Herbst wrote: > Dear all, > > my first post was to optimistic - the user tested some other > combinations and when he tries to send a signed HTML mail, the server > again refuses to accept it with "Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 501 Message has > defects". > > The user suggested that the problem is caused by a line containing only > "-- " somewhere in the text, but I can not confirm this. > > Please find enclosed the refused mail (anonymized). That message has no defects. ``` >>> import email >>> from mailman.email.message import Message >>> txt = b""" (the testmail-abgelehnt.txt contents) """ >>> msg = email.message_from_bytes(txt, Message) >>> msg.defects [] >>> ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: check/update delivery status via python script

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/19/22 12:49, Eggert Ehmke wrote: > Somehow I can't get the starting point in the documentation to do stuff like this. > Besides, when I try to run examples from > https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/release-3.0/src/mailman/comma… > I run into errors like > > AttributeError: 'Withlist' object has no attribute 'process' You should see the latest version of that doc at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/d… It might be a bit more clear, plus at least some of the examples at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/release-3.0/src/mailman/comma… don't work with mailman core >= 3.2. Where did you find the link to https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/release-3.0/? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: what process creates webui tables (mailmanweb db)?

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/26/22 21:18, tflatley(a)gmail.com wrote: > 3) client requirements did not allow for venv - i needed to install packages using apt Did not allow for a venv or required a package? If the only issue was the use of a venv, you can install Mailman in the same way without creating/activating a venv, and I think that would still be preferable to using the Debian/Ubuntu packages. > 4) so the questions i was asking on this forum were to understand differences between the venv method ( which i ran successfully ) and using packages , which presented some challenges Note that when you use a downstream package, your primary support resource should be the packager who presumably is more familiar with that package than we are. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Setup Question: Disk-Layout (Migrating from Mailman 2.1)

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/17/25 10:20 AM, Mihai Moldovan wrote: > > Now... is there a way to import mbox files into the prototype archiver? > Looking around, I haven't found anything mentioning this. Since it's > just using the Maildir format, I guess I could find a tool that unpacks > messages from an mbox to a Maildir destination and get that done, but if > mailman has some command to do that, it would be even better. There is no Mailman command to do this, but a Python script is very simple. Something like ``` from mailbox import Maildir, mbox mb = mbox('path/to/mbox', create=False) md = Maildir('path/to/maildir', create=False) for msg in mb: md.add(msg) mb.close() md.close() ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 week

[MM3-users] Re: exim4 + mailman3 lmtp failure

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/6/20 10:54 AM, Thomas Drillich wrote: > Hello, > > I tried to setup exim4 + mailman3 but it seems to stuck at lmtp delivery of mailman3. > Could you give me a hint, to detect the reason of failure ? ... > # /etc/exim4/conf.d/transport/55_mm3_transport > mailman3_transport: > driver = smtp > protocol = lmtp > allow_localhost > hosts = localhost > port = MM3_LMTP_PORT > rcpt_include_affixes = true Have you defined MM3_LMTP_PORT and is it the same value as the lmtp_port: setting in the [mta] section of mailman.cfg - default 8024? And is Mailman core and particularly its lmtp runner running and is it listening on the relevant port? Is there more information about "all hosts for 'listen.td3.eu' have been failing for a long time" in exim's logs? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman archive issues (Hyperkitty)

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/3/21 1:06 AM, Kimmo L wrote: > Thanks for the quick replay! > If its not a big trouble, could you kindly give me some advice/guide how upgrade my Hyperkitty/Postorius/Django from python2 to python3. > I would be very grateful. It depends heavily on how Mailman was installed to begin with, but essentially you just upgrade the various components to the latest versions using pip. Some things you need to be aware of are at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/upgrade-3.2.html > These segfaulting alerts appers the same time when i see "ERROR reincarnated worker Process-1:53 after death" entry in uwsgi-error.log. > So it seems that they are dependent on each other. It could very well be an out of memory issue and upgrading may solve it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: "Unsubscribe all" button

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/20/22 17:32, Philippe B wrote: > Would it be possible to add a confirmation screen after you click on it? Like: WARNING! Clicking "Confirm" will empty the list of all its existing members, regardless of what was entered on the previous screen. That operation cannot be reversed. Are you absolutely sure that you want no one to be on your list anymore? There is a confirmation screen although it is not as strongly worded as you suggest. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/545 for a discussion of this. There are screenshots there showing revised button labels and rearranging the cancel/remove buttons on the confirmation page. These changes have not been implemented as yet because I didn't think there was a clear direction. Please look at that issue and comment there. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: I'm seeing a lot of database locked errors

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/18/23 11:19 AM, bryan.kartzman(a)yu.edu wrote: > And they do have the same thread_id as well: > > select a.id, b.starting_email_id, a.message_id_hash, b.thread_id > from hyperkitty_email a,hyperkitty_thread b > where a.message_id_hash = b.thread_id > and a.id = b.starting_email_id > and a.id in (1365,1366) ; > > id | starting_email_id | message_id_hash | thread_id > ------+-------------------+----------------------------------+---------------------------------- > 1365 | 1365 | UB4WSRNRTPBH7XB6RF3W42U2MUDK77S7 | UB4WSRNRTPBH7XB6RF3W42U2MUDK77S7 > 1366 | 1366 | UB4WSRNRTPBH7XB6RF3W42U2MUDK77S7 | UB4WSRNRTPBH7XB6RF3W42U2MUDK77S7 > (2 rows) This is interesting. There are two entries in the hyperkitty_email table for the same message. Are the other fields, particularly `content`, for these ids in the hyperkitty_email table the same? If so, I'd be inclined to ``` delete from hyperkitty_email where id = 1366; delete from hyperkitty_thread where starting_email_id = 1366; ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Only Recent archive tab works after mailman upgrade

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/4/24 23:39, zoltan(a)circle-interactive.co.uk wrote: > Hi, > > since I upgraded mailman to 3.3.9 (python 3.11.2) > I have an odd issue on lists' archive page. > Apparently only the Recent tab works. > If I switch to Active or Popular I see the change in the url but page content does not refresh. > I can not see any errors in browser console and in logs so I am quite clueless how to debug further :( Mailman core has nothing to do with this. Did you upgrade HyperKitty, and if so, from what to what? See https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/templates/hy… - I don't know why this wouldn't be working in your case. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Setup Mailman 3 using Apache/Mod_WSGI

by Mark Sapiro

On 08/03/2017 07:16 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > On the other hand, you need to tell WSGI where > the Django project (mailman-suite_project?) lives. I use a different > syntax: > > WSGIDaemonProcess site python-path=/home/django/project user=django group=django display-name=django And on the apache/MM3/mod_wsgi site I support, I have WSGIDaemonProcess mailman-web display-name=mailman-web maximum-requests=1000 umask=0002 user=mailman group=mailman python-path=/opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages home=/opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/var I also have WSGIScriptAlias /mm3 /opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/bin/mailman-web.wsgi <Directory "/opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/bin"> <Files mailman-web.wsgi> Order deny,allow Allow from all Require all granted </Files> WSGIProcessGroup mailman-web </Directory> Which is essentially what the OP has with the addition of WSGIProcessGroup mailman-web -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: change preferred language of list

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/20/19 3:38 PM, mailman3(a)malevil.cc wrote: > ok, thats good, but however, list and mailman are set to "de" but still the english template is used... There does seem to be an issue. I set the preferred_language of a list to 'de' and subscribed an address. The address was sent a confirmation request in German, but upon response, the subsequent "The results of your email commands" message and the list welcome message were in English. The "The results of your email commands" message was in English because it is built dynamically by the command runner and while the messages are i18n'd, there is as yet no German message catalog. However the list welcome message should have used the German template. This appears to be a bug. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: LTMP to Postfix problem

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/18/20 12:05 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > On one of my mailman 3 servers, I am having a problem with Postfix > failing to deliver email to Mailman. I keep seeing this in the mail.log: > > status=deferred (connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024: Connection refused) > > What is causing this and how can I fix it? > Do you have lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 lmtp_port: 8024 in the [mta] section of mailman.cfg? (these are the defaults) $ /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman conf|grep lmtp [mta] lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 [mta] lmtp_port: 8024 Is Mailman's lmtp runner listening on port 8024? $ sudo netstat -lntp|grep python tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:8024 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1867/python tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:8000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1199/python tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:8001 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1871/python Is there some firewall issue blocking access to the port even from localhost? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderation Action Changed After Import

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/12/21 11:26 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > I migrated a Mailman 2 list using import21 and the list's config.pck > into a Mailman 3 list. The list owner reported back that about 98% of > the list members had their moderation setting changed to Reject (with > notification). He said the previous moderation was the list's default > which was hold for moderation. Is such a thing possible with an import > job? Is this perhaps a bug that has been reported previously? > It seems you imported to an existing list with import21. This is probably not a good idea. Those members who were moderated members of the MM 2.1 list will have their moderation action set to Hold, Reject or Discard based on the 2.1 list setting. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: remove non members from a list

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/6/21 9:18 AM, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi all: > > I need to remove all non members from a list. I know I can do it via > Postorius, but it has to be done one at a time. (you can delete ALL > suscribers but not all non members...) > > Anyone has a python recipe to do this? $ /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman shell -l list.example.com Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. The variable 'm' is the list.example.com mailing list >>> for nonmember in m.members.nonmembers: ... nonmember.unsubscribe() ... >>> commit() -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Updating installed pkgs in MM3 venv

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/15/22 03:39, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > What is the recommended way for updating installed the installed pkgs in > MM3 venv - to ensure that nothing breaks? Upgrading to what? To upgrade from PyPI you can do ``` pip install --upgrade xxx ``` for all the mailman packages where xxx is the package name. However, this may create an issue with Hyperkitty because of https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/431 To update from the heads of the GitLab branches, the commands would be ``` pip install --upgrade git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/xxx@master ``` With either of the above, it may be necessary to add the `--force-reinstall` option to `pip install`. See this post https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… and this thread https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: search this list searches more then just this list

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/23/24 05:49, Marco van Tol wrote: > > Small unfortunate twist, this leads to: > > --- > [ERROR/MainProcess] Failed indexing 204001 - 205000 (retry 5/5): Term too long (> 245): ... > --- > > I have seen comments on that from back in 2020, but what’s the latest advise on how to deal with this? This issue is discussed at <https://github.com/notanumber/xapian-haystack/pull/181>. There are two patches for this issue. They are somewhat different approaches, but either one is OK. One patch is the one in the above PR <https://github.com/notanumber/xapian-haystack/pull/181/files>. The other is at <https://github.com/alexsilva/xapian-haystack/commit/a53523d2d0d13929a0729d4…>. I use the one from the PR, but it requires a substitution `s/force_text/str/`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Strange URL in error message

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/14/24 11:16 AM, waps(a)tantalus.jena.thur.de wrote: > Hi Mark, on the entire server there is no string "demailman3". The base_url looks good: > > # grep -v ^# /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg > [general] > base_url: http://www.XXXXX-project.de/mailman3/hyperkitty/ > […] > > Where should I search at first, if the archive remains empty? Mailman core can't communicate with HyperKitty. Thus all the messages to be archived are saved in Mailman's var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ directory. When the underlying issue is fixed, mailman-hyperkitty will process and archive those messages. Can you go to http://www.XXXXX-project.de/mailman3/hyperkitty/api in a browser and get a REST API documentation page. If that redirects to https, change the scheme in the base_url setting to https and restart Mailman. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating from old V2 server to new V3 server. Questions.

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/14/24 10:10, jkoral(a)luc.edu wrote: > I understand that now. I was able to delete it, re-create it and am now getting e-mails into the server. But now, it is not sending out to the e-mails that are subscribed to that list. > > Will running mailman aliases fix that? Also, I don't see a mailman command, but am running mailman3 aliases. Does this process take while? It has been running for a couple minutes now. No. `mailman aliases` will not affect delivery from Mailman to list members. `mailman aliases` should be almost instantaneous. How did you install Mailman? If you followed our recommendations at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html there is no `mailman3` command. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: translating templates (was: Re: spanish localization)

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/15/21 2:38 AM, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: > On 13/2/21 20:00, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> Also note that the translations on weblate only affect strings in the >> core code. The Mailman core templates are not currently translated in >> weblate and there are currently no Spanish language templates. One would >> need to create Spanish translations of all the templates in >> <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/tree/master/src/mailman/templates/en> >> >> and submit a merge request to add them to a mailman/templates/es/ >> directory. > > I downladed the templates and I'm beginning the translation process, but > I have a question. What language map has to be used? In my S.O. it's > ISO-8859-15 but I'm concerned it has to be UTF-8... Better ask before > having to do a remapping of the files after... They should be encoded as UTF-8. > It comes to my attention that three files have 0 bytes. The 0-byte files can either be left out of templates/es or put in as empty files. They are things for templates which are empty by default. Also, help.txt is unused and doesn't need to be translated. At one time it was intended to be the template for the response to the email `help` command, but it is not used for that purpose. Finally, although I said previously that the translated templates should be submitted as a merge request, that can still be done, but is not necessary. They can be translated in weblate. See <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> and <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/825>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 Docker

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/7/19 1:18 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 at 23:39, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >> >> Please help me understand what steps are missing and I will try to >> provide the information. > > > Okay. > > At the installation stage, you say the following: > "I already had some things set up in /opt/mailman including a git > subdirectory containing clones of the GitLab mailman, mailmanclient, > mailman-hyperkitty, hyperkitty, django-mailman3 and > postorius projects. On the third server I have added mailman-suite > because I use the settings.py from that project as the basis for mine." > > Please assume that the reader is a newbie to python3 virtualenv and give the > details of the commands they need to execute to (a) clone all the projects > needed > and (b) create the virtualenv. > > The next steps are: > mkdir /opt/mailman/mm > > Then you say "I then created a /opt/mailman/mm directory and within that a > Python 3.6 virtualenv" > What happens here is something that needs clarification, because you are > specific about "python3.6". > I have googled and realized that one has to be specific about the python > version they want to use in their virtualenv > as shown here -> > https://stackoverflow.com/questions/45293436/how-to-specify-python-version-… > > exact command to execute to create the /opt/mailman/mm/venv > exact command to execute to activate virtualenv I have added a comment to the page which I hope gives you what you want. I also added a section on templates instead of referring to a prior version of the page. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Delete User

by Mark Sapiro

On 05/25/2018 03:14 PM, Kaleb White wrote: > Where exactly is the Django admin interface? > > I can't find it. It's not this, is it? > https://lists.mailman3.org/user-profile/ If you're looking for it on lists.mailman3.org it's at <https://lists.mailman3.org/admin> but you won't be able to log in there. In another installation you would look in urls.py for the list of urlpatterns for something like # Django admin url(r'^admin/', admin.site.urls), If you are authorized to create domains, on the Add a new domain page, the description of Web Host says in part "This can be same or different from the Mail Host. You can edit the list of available web hosts here." and 'here' is a link into the admin interface. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Removing banned emails

by Mark Sapiro

On 08/02/2018 11:47 AM, Kaleb White wrote: > I am trying to remove a banned email with a special character via the rest api and it's not working. It's also not working via the UI. Any ideas? > http://localhost:8001/3.0/lists/example.com/bans/provisor#41@bankofamerica.… > <Response [404]> You can't do it from Postorius (This should be considered a bug in Postorius or perhaps mailman-client). You can do it via rest if you URL encode the request as http://localhost:8001/3.0/lists/example.com/bans/provisor%2341@bankofameric… The issue is whatever client is making the HTTP request is considering '#41(a)bankofamerica.com' to be a fragment identifier so it issues the request for the resource '3.0/lists/example.com/bans/provisor' and expects to find sub-resource identified by '41(a)bankofamerica.com' in the response. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Whitelist non subscriber

by Mark Sapiro

On 08/06/2018 06:43 AM, Stephan Krinetzki wrote: > The steps are as follows, right? > - Add users to the list and give the role "nonmember" > - Set moderation action ('defer' or 'accept') Right. > The only thing missing in the documentation is a note on how to do this via the Admin API. Who can explain that to me? Can you be more specific about what you are looking for? If by "Admin API" you mean the REST API, are you asking how to interact with it or what specific POST/PUT/PATCH commands to send? Or are you asking about the 'mailman shell' command? Also, we want to expose the nonmember role in Postorius and enable setting moderation action for nonmembers, but we didn't get that in MM 3.2/Postorius 1.2. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Changing default message limit (max_message_size)

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/27/19 12:05 AM, roger(a)reasonal.com wrote: > I found the field in settings that would appear to do this, but it just throws an error for whatever I give it ("An error occured**: Unknown attribute: max_message_size"). This should be fixed at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/merge_requests/329>. Perhaps you need to update your Docker images <https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/> Also, see <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/246#note_69323948> for a not about changing this via `mailman shell` (withlist), but see the subsequent comment about `quit()` > PS As a suggestion, may be a good idea to indicate what units it's expecting... bytes? kB? Nybbles? Reported at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/362>, thanks. > PPS ** Psst: occurred with two r's... Reported at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/361>, thanks. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot show archives

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/27/19 2:09 AM, qiuhong su wrote: > > After check MTA settings, still cannot resolve this issue. > I create a new list "list1", and after subscribe it, send an email to list1(a)example.com > And then check ./var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/, ./var/messages > Both are empty. > Click "Archives" it will access http://example.com/hyperkitty/, and show "No archived list yet." > Could you help me? The list appearing in HyperKitty depends on the Django Admin job new_lists_from_mailman which should run hourly. See <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html#scheduled-tasks-required>. Is your test message delivered to the members of list1(a)example.com. If not, what's in your MTA logs? Have you set up your MTA's configuration as described at <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.html>? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: File "/usr/lib/python2.7/httplib.py", line 1148, in getresponse raise ResponseNotReady()

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/21/20 6:21 AM, r.woithe(a)callassoftware.com wrote: > Hello, > Version: > Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.2.2 (La Villa Strangiato) > Mailman Core API Version 3.0 > Mailman Core Python Version 3.8.2 (default, Jul 16 2020, 14:00:26) [GCC 9.3.0] > > But the Error was there allready before the update have been done. That means the Mailman-Core changed but the error persisted. What is the full traceback from this error? Mailman 3 has not supported Python 2 since 3.0 beta4. It is not clear what is invoking /usr/lib/python2.7/httplib.py, but if it is Mailman core, something is seriously amiss in the way it's installed. Even Postorius and HyperKitty have not supported Python 2 for quit some time. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Newbie question 2: Rewriting issue for bounced emails

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/26/21 6:05 PM, William Oliver wrote: > > So.. if I need to do it myself, can you point me to what file I need to > create/modify in the /opt/mailman/mm tree to set up the alias? Assuming you have Postorius working, just go to the Domains view, edit your domain and add an Alias Domain. Otherwise, you can do this in mailman shell, e.g. ``` $ mailman shell Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. >>> dm = getUtility(IDomainManager) >>> d = dm.get('example.com') >>> d.alias_domain = x.example.com >>> commit() ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Still unable to get mailman3 working on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/6/22 10:21 AM, Michael Heseltine wrote: > > Btw, I the ProxyPass(Reverse) supposed to point at the URL listed in MAILMAN_REST_API_URL? Because that one is set to port 8001 in settings.py, and if I try to "telnet localhost 8000", i get "Connection refused". No. You probably don't need ProxyPassReverse at all, but it doesn't hurt and it should be the same URL as in ProxyPass. Port 8001 is Mailman core's REST server and that is what's in MAILMAN_REST_API_URL. Port 8000 is your wsgi server. The HowTo you're following tells you to install and configure gunicorn and it should be running and listening on port 8000 as it's what receives the proxied requests from Apache. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman and Mailman-web databases

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/5/23 02:31, Andrew Hodgson wrote: > > In these instructions we are using 2 databases for the Mailman and Django components. I guess it doesn't harm anything to have just one database for both but wondered whether it was a good idea to split eventually? It is mostly a matter of taste. There is no conflict in tables between Mailman core and Django, so it's perfectly OK to use a single database. Splitting the databases enables more separation between Django and Mailman core and would possibly make it easier to run them on different servers if that was desired. It would even allow using different database managers for them, although I don't know why one would want that. FWIW, this list's server uses a single database. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: Apache shows No Lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/23/23 17:47, ceo(a)sartrack.nz wrote: > > You should never have made the mailman so incredibly complicated with massive third-party software required, all of which did not install properly, and of which documention is either incomplete or plain wrong. > And with configuration files all over the place, which cannot be found...... anyway. I understand that installation of Mailman 3 is much more complex than was Mailman 2.1, but I think the installation doc at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html can be followed step by step. That is our intent and if there are issues with it we will correct them. Issues with installation of the Debian/Ubuntu packages and documentation or lack thereof is beyond our control and we would prefer you follow our recommended installation which we can support. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Configure new list via REST API - trying to add moderators

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/11/24 11:47, Andy Matthews wrote: > But looking at the docs for "Mailing list configuration" (https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/…) I don't see anything named `moderator` The "Managing owners and moderators" docs (https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/d…) indicate that we can perform add owners and moderators via a Python shell, but don't indicate that it's possible to do it via REST. Is this true? List members, nonmembers, moderators and owners are rosters. They are managed via REST at the /members endpoint. See https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… for documention of owners and moderators. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Is there a way of recording bounce messages?

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/21/23 15:01, Andrew Hodgson wrote: > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> Can you provide one of the bounce report messages and the corresponding bounce message from the MTA log. > > I only have the message I would get as the owner of the list that the delivery has been disabled, That's the one I'm interested in. If possible I'd like to see the actual raw message, not some MUAs rendering of it. > I don't have the original bounce message. One thing to note is the bounce messages coming in from Gmail are being generated by Office 365 (as that is the outbound smarthost for the Mailman server), so it may be due to the format of those NDRs why we aren't seeing the original bounce messages attached to the email. So as I understand it, Office 365 is sending the mail to the gmail recipient which is presumably rejecting the mail at SMTP with a 5xx status. Does Office 365 report the failure to Mailman with a failure status at SMTP time or later with an emailed DSN. If the former, there should be log messages in Mailman's smtp.log indicating the number of failures '$msgid post to $listname from $sender, $size bytes, $refused failures' and the reason for each '$msgid delivery to $recip failed with code $smtpcode, $smtpmsg'. Also, we create a fake DSN. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blame/master/src/mailman/runners/outgo… If the latter we have the DSN from Office 365. In either case, the DSN should be attached to the notice. I don't know why it wouldn't be. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderation requests, dash-board link in notification?

by Mark Sapiro

On 09/02/2017 01:45 PM, Claus-Justus Heine via Mailman-users wrote: > > I suppose that this can also be very easily configured with v3? I have several custom templates. For example in the lists.mailman3.org site, var/templates/site/en/ contains: domain:admin:notice:new-list.txt list:user:notice:post.txt list:admin:action:post.txt list:user:notice:probe.txt list:member:digest:masthead.txt list:user:notice:welcome.txt list:member:generic:footer.txt And var/templates/site/en/list:admin:action:post.txt contains: --------------------------------- As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: $listname From: $sender_email Subject: $subject The message is being held because: $reasons At your convenience, visit https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/$list_id/held_messages to approve or deny the request. --------------------------------- See <http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/build/lib/mailman/rest/docs/templat…>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Memory usage

by Mark Sapiro

On 09/13/2018 05:05 AM, Adi Kriegisch wrote: > This is without hyperkitty or a management interface, just mailman3 core > that uses 10 times as much ram as mailman2. Did I do something wrong > here? Is there probably a bug in my python environment? Are there any > config options that I should set to avoid this huge memory footprint? Mailman 3 has more runner processes than Mailman 2.1 and they are larger. That is the difference in what you are seeing, but in neither case does this indicate an issue. Much if the memory footprint you see is idle memory that is only used because no other process needs it. For more detail on this and info about tools you can use to see if you really have a memory issue, see <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030711>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Clone or copy Mailman list

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/5/21 2:54 AM, w.schoener(a)alp.dillingen.de wrote: > Hi there, > i am using a mailman 3.2.1, core Api 3.0, Mailman Core Python Version 3.7.3. > I have to create a large number of Mailman lists, all with the simulare settings. > Is there a way to clone a list with all settings an another list name? Not currently in Mailman 3. At least not easily. I suppose you could just create the new lists, e.g. with something like: #! /bin/bash for list in `cat lists`; do bin/mailman create $list done and then run database queries to update the mailinglist table entries for the new lists. It would not be difficult to create a clonelist mailman subcommand to clone a list in this way, but it doesn't currently exist. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Fwd: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/2/21 11:21 PM, David Partain via Mailman-users wrote: > > I removed /usr/share/mailman3-web/settings_local.pyc quite some time > ago, have restarted both mailman3 and mailman3-web numerous times since > then, and today I restarted uwsgi this morning. > > No new settings_local.pyc has yet been created. Ideas..? No. Restarting Mailman core won't help with this. I don't know what's involved in restarting mailman3-web, but I think that restarting it and uwsgi should be enough and a new settings_local.pyc would be created the next time a django process is invoked (e.g., by visiting a Postorius or HyperKitty web page). If this isn't happening, I don't know why. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: certain msgs not archived

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/17/22 09:18, Sandor Dibuz wrote: > > Probably also this config insufficiency caused hyperkitty_import fail a > great number of Mm2.1 messages. So will get back to it and see if works > right now and if I can also merge old Mm2.1 mbox messages with recent > ones posted since I started Mm3. Something like saving recent mbox > messages first, then deleting them, then importing old 2.1 mbox, then > importing saved Mm3 mbox, then indexing, ... then scratching my head > why all this does not work the way I thought. If you rerun hyperkitty_import with the since= option set to a date earlier that the oldest message to import, it should just work. Messages which are already in the archive (by Message-ID:) will be ignored by the import process. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Read mailing list config via CLI

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/19/24 10:39, Andy Matthews wrote: > > But I'd like to be able to verify settings using the mailman command or Python shell; and surprisingly I can't find where in the docs it shows how you can read settings on a per-list basis. I'm fine with either option, but I've spent about an hour digging through source code and docs and I'm not finding it. Would someonebe so kind as to point out how I can inspect configuration on a list by list basis? TIA. There is no specific `mailman` command (other than `mailman shell`) to display list settings. However I just created a simple script at https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/list_attributes which will list all the attributes of a given list. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to fix: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP)

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/1/24 20:14, Jigme Datse wrote: > > python venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_web/manage.py migrate > > which *might* be the wrong manage.py but other than the change with the > migrate command, without it looks to throw the same output. > > The Django log was at that time empty it's now attached (larger than > I'd like). It is not necessary to post the entire log which repeats the same ERROR and traceback over 300 times. The errors all seem to be disallowed hosts. 321 from IP 45.79.102.219, 5 from mail01.datsemultimedia.com and a few others. The PTR from IP 45.79.102.219 is mail01.datsemultimedia.com and its A is 45.79.102.219. Is this your server, if so add both 45.79.102.219 and mail01.datsemultimedia.com to ALLOWED_HOSTS. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: uwsgi memory usage

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/28/22 18:13, peter(a)chubb.wattle.id.au wrote: > > Hi Folks, > I think there's a memory leak somewhere in the system. Over time, > on a relatively small set of lists, I see the uwsgi process grow > and grow until the system OOMs. > > I'm using the Debian packaged mailman3 suite, on the Unstable > distribution. This is version 3.3.3. I've reported the bug to the > Debian maintainers (who are overloaded...), but was wondering if > others had seen this issue. Is it a Debian issue, a local config > issue, or a general problem? We are not seeing this on any of the sites I manage including mail.python.org and lists.mailman3.org, but we install the latest source from GitLab and we use gunicorn, not uWSGI. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: FYI: Django security releases issued: 4.0.6 and 3.2.14

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/7/22 3:09 PM, David Newman wrote: > > I *think* the command runs if I escape the hyphen: > > root@somehost:/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages# grep -r > '\-jango' /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/ > > But then that doesn't return anything. Yes, escaping the hyphen is the correct thing to do. You could also try something like ``` grep -r '.-jango' /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/ ``` but that will also return nothing. See https://stackoverflow.com/questions/67613777/pip-ignoring-invalid-distribut… https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68880743/why-do-i-get-this-when-using-p… and perhaps other hits from https://www.google.com/search?q=pip+warning+ignoring+invalid+distribution Look for ``` ls -la /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/~jango* ``` i.e. `~jango` rather than `-jango` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: REST API http://.../3.1/users/../preferred_address returns 404 for GET and POST

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/13/23 05:07, Eric Vyncke wrote: > > Thanks in advance for any hint to solve this issue (I have held messages that I would love to accept) You can accept them via mailman shell. E.g., to accept all held messages for a list ``` $ mailman shell -l list(a)example.com Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. The variable 'm' is the list.example.com mailing list >>> from mailman.app.moderator import handle_message >>> requestsdb = IListRequests(m) >>> for req in requestsdb.held_requests: ... handle_message(m, req.id, Action.accept) ... >>> ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: Python is updated

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/28/23 11:07, Lars Bjørndal wrote: > [Mark] >> >> Your django-admin command is not finding your settings.py file. > > Do you mean /etc/mailman3/ where settings.py lives? Yes. >> Either run >> it with a --pythonpath argument naming the directory that contains >> settings.py or set the environment PYTHONPATH to that directory. > > I tried `django-admin migrate --pythonpath /etc/mailman3`, and got the same result. Then you may need `django-admin migrate --pythonpath /etc/mailman3 --settings settings` What I have is this shell file that I use to invoke django-admin ``` #!/bin/bash . /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/activate cd /opt/mailman/mm export PYTHONPATH=/opt/mailman/mm export DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE=settings django-admin $@ ``` Of course the paths in the above are specific to my installation and would be different for you. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman issues after re-boot

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/28/23 16:15, paulrubin37(a)gmail.com wrote: > > Then I tried mailman info, that errored with > > pkg_resources.DistributionNotFound: The 'flufl.lock>=5.1' distribution was not found and is required by mailman > > So I tried installing that > (venv) mailman@mail:~> pip install flufl.lock > Requirement already satisfied: flufl.lock in ./venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages (8.0.2) > Requirement already satisfied: atpublic in ./venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages (from flufl.lock) (4.0) > Requirement already satisfied: psutil in ./venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages (from flufl.lock) (5.9.5) > > The error did not change This is a packaging glitch with PyPI. At one point a couple of flufl.* packages were named flufl_*. I forget exactly how to fix this, but try in your venv ``` pip install -U --force-reinstall flufl.bounce flufl.i18n flufl.lock ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Deleting moderation requests in database

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/2/24 6:40 PM, Joachim Schrod wrote: > > First: I assume that all information about moderation is in the > database mailman3. If that's not the case, please tell me. It is the case, but it's easier to use mailman shell. Something like ``` $ mailman shell -l test.example.com Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. The variable 'm' is the test.example.com mailing list >>> pendingsdb = getUtility(IPendings) >>> for token, data in pendingsdb.find(m): ... if data.get('token_owner') == 'moderator': ... if data['type'] == 'unsubscription': ... pendingsdb.confirm(token, expunge=True) ... >>> commit() ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Double footer

by Mark Sapiro

On 07/22/2018 06:23 AM, Asaf Ohayon wrote: > Hello > > Upon a clean installation of Mailman 3.2.0a1, > Without any additional configuration, nor custom footers, > When accepting message from the list on Gmail client for example, > The footer shows twice, This may be <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/450> which was fixed by <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/merge_requests/363> at commit 811b8ca. There was no 3.2.0a1 release per se, so I don't know exactly what you installed and whether it contains that commit. Note that the current release on PyPI is 3.2.0 and contains this fix. So the question is what did you install, and does it contain * Message decoration has been removed from the posting pipeline and added to bulk delivery to avoid duplicate decoration of personalized and VERPed messages. (Closes #450) in mailman/docs/NEWS.rst. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Feature list / compare mailman3 <-> mailman3

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/14/19 9:18 AM, Torge Riedel wrote: > Hi, > > here I have found an interesting sentence: > > https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/release-notes.html > > > "Mailman 3 is not yet feature complete with Mailman 2.1" That is correct. > Is there somewhere an overview of what is missing / different? Since I'm > faced with changing the server where mailman is running on, I came up to > install mailman3 instead of mailman2. At this point, I don't think there is such a list/overview, and it changes all the time as more things get added/fixed in MM 3. Also, there are some Mailman 2.1 things that are supported in Mailman core, but settings for which are not exposed in Postorius. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Permission denied for /list:member:digest:header.txt

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/14/20 5:14 AM, Eric Broens via Mailman-users wrote: > Thanks again Mark, > from the bash_history that seems to be the case, while I intended to run it as mailman user.It looks like only the ownership of the subdirectories and files in /var/lib/mailman3/templates are incorrect.Those in /var/lib/mailman3/lists and other directories are correct. I can't find back if I have changed the ownership of these manually. Probably not. Most files are created by `mailman import21` and you probably ran that as `mailman`. It is only the list specific templates that are created by hyperkitty_import which you may have run as root. > Is it sufficient to change the ownership manually, or is there another change required too? No other change is required. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: hooking up mailman and sendmail

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/14/21 7:56 AM, John Covici wrote: > That post does not answer my question, it applies only to mailman2 and > is a big mess. I was hoping to use lmtp, which sendmail will use and > mailman seems to have some facilities to use it as well. What that post describes is for Mailman 2.1, how to hijack Mailman's generated aliases for Postfix and apply them to sendmail. The hope is that someone who understands how to configure sendmail can take those ideas and apply them to the Postfix transport and domain mappings generated in var/data/postfix_lmtp and var/data/postfix_domains to generate what is needed for sendmail. Hopefully, once people figure out how to do this, they will inform us of the solution and we can update the docs. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: 2 postfix instances and 1 mailman instance possible?

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/29/22 06:55, charlie derr wrote: > Greetings, > > We will be (temporarily) splitting our single postfix instance and > running two separate instances on our email server. > > Can we configure mailman to listen to one of them and send to the other? > > If so, please do direct us towards how we would go about configuring > mailman to do this. > > versions: > > mailman: 2.1.15-30.el7_9.2 The list for Mailman 2.1 questions is mailman-users(a)python.org <https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/> That said, to set the outgoing MTA, set SMTPHOST and SMTPPORT in mm_cfg.py to the desired values. For the incoming MTA, configure that Postfix to deliver to Mailman. See https://www.list.org/mailman-install/mail-server.html -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Digests not working correctly

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/23/23 10:52 AM, Joel Lord wrote: > Finally got a scenario where there was contents queued up for digest > delivery and not enough traffic to kick off size based digest volumes. > Running "/usr/local/bin/mailman digests --periodic --verbose" ran > through all the lists and kicked out digests successfully. > > So something is making this work when I run it as the lists user by > hand, but fail when I run it from cron as the lists user. Clearly this > is on my end, I'll report back if I find anything useful or interesting. If you haven't done so, add the --verbose option to the command in the crontab, and maybe add a `MAILTO=` as well so the output goes where you can find it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: attachment.html

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/26/23 6:00 PM, Sam Darwin wrote: > > It turns out "Filter content" affects many settings. It's easy to skip over > that. I wonder if the UI might call attention somehow, with a graphic > element, or with text: "Settings on this page will not take effect. Because > 'Filter content' has not been enabled". It is right that "Filter content" > must be set in order to remove attachment.html ? None of the settings Filter types, Filter extensions, Pass types, Pass extensions, Collapse alternatives, Filter Action and Convert html to plaintext have any effect unless Filter content is Yes. Other settings on that page don't depend on Filter content. You are correct that the UI is not clear on what settings depend on Filter content. We need to fix that. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Stability issues

by Mark Sapiro

On 09/07/2018 06:53 AM, schultmc(a)cinlug.org wrote: > We're currently piloting Mailman3 to replace a failing Ecartis installation. We've had to push back our go live date several times due to stability issues with our Mailman 3 installation. We currently have Mailman core 3.2.0 running on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.5 with 2 vCPUs, 8GB RAM and 25GB swap space. Occasionally, we see mailman become unresponsive both via the REST API and the web UI. We haven't seen anything glaring in the logs but would be happy to check further. I know Mailman 3 powers many large lists and would appreciate any performance, stability and tuning information that can be provided. When it is unresponsive what is the state of the 'rest' runner and is it listening on localhost:8001? What do you do to 'fix' it? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Service Unavailable

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/26/21 4:23 PM, dancab(a)caltech.edu wrote: > Thanks, I'm copying what seems like the relevant info from mailman.log below. Sorry, I totally missed that log existed! > FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/tmp/mailman/messages/XC/DU/XCDUNGGCTVSN7RGCW5F3WXM5T2WEHCCJ' This is the issue. The held message is gone. The reason is that your configuration for mailman.config.config.MESSAGE_DIR is apparently '/var/tmp/mailman/messages' and something has removed stuff in it behind your back. It appears you either have explicitly or by default layout: local in your mailman.cfg. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/config/mailman…>. The value of layout determines which paths.* section is used. In your case, the local layout puts stuff in /var/tmp/mailman and apparently, something is 'cleaning' that. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Only held_messages for 1 (of 3) list has "Mailman REST API not available" message.

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/6/22 9:44 AM, Duane Raymond wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Today my stable mailman3 server started having web access problems. It specifically applies to only one of three lists on the mailman server (one of the others use the same domain name) and only to the held_messages page as admin. It displays the "Mailman REST API not available..." message despite the other two lists displaying it fine. I've rebooted the server and mailman core, but the problem remains (which is what I've seen suggested on this forum for the same error message so far). This sounds like a database problem. What's in Mailman core's var/logs/mailman.log ? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman-web compress - Invalid template socialaccount/login_cancelled.html

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/28/23 01:59, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > Running an install on Debian12 VM. Getting a new error message that I > haven't seen previously: > > (venv) mailman@debian12:~$ mailman-web compress > Compressing... Invalid template socialaccount/login_cancelled.html: Invalid > block tag on line 7: 'element', expected 'endblock'. Did you forget to > register or load this tag? > Invalid template account/verified_email_required.html: Invalid block tag on > line 7: 'element', expected 'endblock'. Did you forget to register or load > this tag? These templates are part of django_allauth. What is your version of that? There are backwards incompatible changes in version 0.58. See https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/blob/main/ChangeLog.rst#backward… If you have 0.58 try ``` pip install django_allauth\<0.58 ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: config incoming email in my domain cpanel

by Mark Sapiro

On 08/03/2017 12:58 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > Does the rDNS PTR record should be placed in my Centos7 server? You can't do this. Hostgator or whoever manages the network (Telmex Colombia S.A. ?) has to do this. > I've created the DNS A record for lists.labbrands.com with the IP but I > don't know the port that it uses so I can make a port redirect to my local > ip address wich is 192.168.1.42, do you know the port????? You need to forward port 25 for SMTP mail delivery and if you want the web UI (Postorius and HyperKitty) accessible from the outside, port 80 for http and/or port 443 for https <https://www.iana.org/assignments/service-names-port-numbers/service-names-p…>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Various settings files for mailman3-web

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/6/19 6:35 PM, worik wrote: > > What is the difference between the three settings*.py files in > /usr/share/mailman3-web/? > > ~$ ls /usr/share/mailman3-web/settings* -l > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14939 Feb 7 01:50 > /usr/share/mailman3-web/settings.py This contains the default settings and at the end imports overrides from settings_local.py > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 Sep 17 11:00 > /usr/share/mailman3-web/settings_local.py -> /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py As indicated above, this contains local overrides for the settings in settings.py. > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6178 Sep 17 11:00 > /usr/share/mailman3-web/settings_local.py.sample And this presumably is a sample provided by the packager (Debian) of things you might put in your local settings. Please see <https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: start_chain not present in migrated lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/21/20 6:22 AM, Paul Honig wrote: > > It seems like the start_chain has value 'None' and that prevents the > mail from processed, but I can't find where to correctly set the > start_chain. You are correct. Every list has a 'posting_chain' attribute and it seems for your imported lists, that attribute's value is None. I don't know how that can happen. How did you create the lists before importing them? > Please let me know how I can remedy this issue. You can use `mailman shell` mailman shell -l mltest(a)test.domain Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell The variable 'm' is the mltest(a)test.domain mailing list >>> print(m.posting_chain) None >>> m.posting_chain = 'default-posting-chain' >>> commit() -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: spanish localization

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/13/21 5:42 PM, Abhilash Raj wrote: > > You can actually translate the templates in Weblate too. That is > actually the whole > reason to go with monolingual template format in Mailman Core. > > Mailman uses the template file's name as the msgid for translations and > all in-tree > templates are copied into English's .po file when we re-generate them. > > For example in here: > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/messages/es/LC… > > > The english .po file is considered as reference in Weblate and used for > source string. But it appears that we are lacking a mechanism (other than some manual process which isn't reliably done) to move the translated templates from the translated .po file to the appropriate templates/<lc>/ directory. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Help with Newbie error -- I think I deleted my server

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/24/21 8:22 PM, William Oliver wrote: > > I clicked on that, and it took me to a page where I could add servers. > So, I added my real domain (libertyfp.org) It successfully added it, > so I decided that I clearly didn't need "example.com" as a server, and > deleted it using the same page. > > Immediately, I got an "internal server error" and have now lost all web > interfaces. I tried restarting the daemons and rebooting the box, to > no avail. You have to set SITE_ID in your Django settings to the correct value for your site. See https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/faq.html#the-domain-name-displayed-in-h… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: [MM3-users][RESOLVED] HELP: mailman send empty mails

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/4/22 05:31, Axel Rau wrote: > Too many concurrent DB server connections seems to be the reason: > - - - > connection failed: FATAL: remaining connection slots are reserved for > non-replication superuser connections > - - - > A 2nd mailman instance was unintentionally activated and had stolen the > connections slots. Your analysis may be correct, but see https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/955 >> The content of this message was lost. It was probably cross-posted to >> multiple lists and previously handled on another list. This is a dummy message which is returned on an attempt to get a message from the messagestore that doesn't exist. The message should only be in the message store in the first place if it was held for moderation. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Archiving error

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/05/2018 09:39 AM, Enrique Terrazas wrote: > > I have a follow up question, I tried setting the base_url to https but received SSL errors in the mailman.log. The nginx.conf is using a valid certificate from a CA and the sites(Django admin, Postorius, Hyperkitty) all load with https in the browser, they are redirected from http as well. But it seems that internal communication is failing when I try to specify https in the base_url > Is this something that I should be concerned about and can be configured? I have base_url: https://host.name/... without a port in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg on several servers and that works fine. I think the issue is when you specify https://host.name:8000/... you are going directly to Django and bypassing nginx and it's nginx that has your SSL certificates. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Setting for archiving multi email domains?

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/5/21 10:12 AM, Duane Raymond wrote: > Thanks for the continued input on this. It's really appreciated! > > I've reverted the changes I made with virtual domains and tried again (after restarting postfix and mailman). The result back was like > > <test(a)oldlist.com> (expanded from <test(a)emaillistA.com>): host > oldlisthost.com[ip] said: 550 5.1.1 > <test(a)oldlist.com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in > virtual alias table (in reply to RCPT TO command) > > But I can't find oldlist.com in the configuration settings. It was set as an alias for emaillistA.com domain, but was removed. > > So still looking for a solution...am considering a reinstall from scratch....but that seems rather drastic! Please post the output from `postconf -n` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: can't get mail into mailman3 in docker

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/10/21 11:29 AM, bob B wrote: > /opt/mailman/core/mailman-extra.cfg. now has > #lmtp_host: localhost > lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 > lmtp_port: 8024 > > But but mail log shows > 2021-08-10T14:13:28.927266-04:00@####### postfix/qmgr[37253]: DDF5D3083EC2: from=<user(a)user.com>, size=8181, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > 2021-08-10T14:13:28.973273-04:00@####### postfix/lmtp[39368]: DDF5D3083EC2: to=<test@.....>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.07, delays=0.04/0.02/0.01/0, dsn=4.4.2, status=deferred (lost connection with 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] while receiving the initial server greeting) > > Also to clarify the images no longer have hard coded ips so I should NOT DO this correct? > ----------------------------- > lmtp_host: 172.19.199.2 > lmtp_port: 8024 > smtp_host: 172.19.199.1 > smtp_port: 25 > ----------------------------- I think that's correct, but I'm at a loss for helping further. Hopefully @maxking will be able to help. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Handling of SPAM mails in mailman3 - Check for X-Spam Header

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/16/20 10:51 AM, Torge Riedel wrote: > > Such SPAM mails are currently hold for moderation with reason "not from > a list member". Is there no check for the "X-Spam: Yes" header or is > this check done later? If you set a Header Filter (in Postorius the Header filters tab) those checks are done before non-member moderation. This won't work for posts from members because the header checks are done between member moderation checks and non-member moderation checks, but if you create a Header Filter for header 'x-spam' and pattern 'yes' with action hold, a message from a non-member which has an X-Spam: Yes header should be held for that reason. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Apache Configuration for Subdomain

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/26/22 15:29, Mail Person wrote: > So adding the slashes did not fix, but I did get a workaround to work from the other thread: > > ProxyPass /mailman3 unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost > ProxyPass /mailman unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost > > Now makes it so that lists.example.com/mailman3 works sort of correctly. Weirdly enough, however, it redirects to lists.example.com/mailman/postorius/lists/ rather than */mailman3/* > > AND, if you go to lists.example.com/mailman it errors out with a 404 but redirects to > > lists.example.com/mailma > > So somehow a letter is getting deleted for some reason. This is a known issue with some versions of uWSGI. The only information I have is in the thread at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: No DBA password when installing Mailman3 with remote database server

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/31/22 07:04, Markus Ludwig Grandpré wrote: > Dear Mailman3 list, > > I try to install the Mailman3 software 3.3.3-1 on a Debian 11 system > with a remote Postgres database server. During the installation process > dpkg is asking for the DBA password that our DBA team would not provide > to me. So what can I do? This is really a question for Debian, but apparently dpkg wants to create databases for Mailman and Mailman Web. You will need to get your DBA team to create these databases (probably named `mailman` and `mailmanweb`) and a Mailman user (probably `list`) with all access to these databases and probably manually configure the `[database]` section of mailman.cfg and `DATABASES` on Django's settings -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Monthly Password Reminders

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/3/23 04:05, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > For the passwords, yes. It was frequently reported as a bug, in fact. > Mostly the reminders generate requests to know how to shut them off. > You're the first in probably a decade who's asked how to turn them on! > > While in theory we could protect in transit with SMTP over TLS, we > can't guarantee end-to-end encryption (eg, if there's a .forward at > the subscribed address), and while TLS is widely implemented, it's > still not universal. Perhaps more significantly, all passwords are now stored in encrypted form, so for practical purposes we couldn't send the unencrypted password because we don't know it and the encrypted password is not useful to the user. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Error -- postorius Un-handled exception

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/10/24 03:42, admin(a)bclug.ca wrote: > > After `systemctl restart mailman3.service mailman3-web.service` I'm still getting: > >> ERROR 2024-04-10 10:19:19,739 104735 postorius Un-handled exception: HTTP Error HTTP Error 500: {"title": "500 Internal Server Error"} >> File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 161, in call >> raise HTTPError(params.get('url'), response.status_code, >> urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 500: {"title": "500 Internal Server Error"} >> ERROR 2024-04-10 10:19:19,744 104735 django.request Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/new_test.domain.tld/ >> ERROR 2024-04-10 10:19:19,744 104735 django.request Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/new_test.domain.tld/ >> ERROR 2024-04-10 10:19:19,745 104735 django.server "GET /mailman3/lists/new_test.domain.tld/ HTTP/1.0" 500 8667 > > > Anyone have suggestions? What's in var/logs/mailman.log? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman rewrite the Cc header incorrectly

by Mark Sapiro

Mark Sapiro wrote: > Thus, the issue occurs downstream of lmtp runner. It will take more > investigation to determine where. The issue occurs in mailman/handlers/avoid_duplicates.py. That module will rewrite the Cc: header after possibly deleting some of the entries. That module calls msg.get_all('cc') to get the original Ccs and calls email.utils.getaddresses() on that to get a list of all the name, address pairs. In our case, msg.get_all('cc') returns one of two things. If the message came via LMTP with CRLF line endings, it returns ['"ABC DEF\r\n (XYZ)" <mark(a)msapiro.net>'] If the message came from `mailman inject` with LF line endings, it returns ['"ABC DEF\n (XYZ)" <mark(a)msapiro.net>'] then email.utils.getaddresses() calls internally email.utils.parseaddr on each item in the list to make a list (of one in our case) of name, address pairs. The result is different depending on the line endings which explains why it works with `mailman inject` but not with LMTP. In the case where the line endings are LF, the return is [('ABC DEF\n (XYZ)', 'mark(a)msapiro.net')] but if the line endings are CRLF, the return is [('XYZ', 'ABC DEF')] If the "folding" is not quoted as in ABC DEF (XYZ) <mark(a)msapiro.net> then the return is ('ABC DEF (XYZ)', 'mark(a)msapiro.net') regardless of the line ending as it should be. I can't really fault parseaddr() here because the only time it produces an unexpected result is when the CRLF line folding occurs in the middle of a quoted string which is clearly non-compliant. For Mailman to defend against this, something like the attached patch would do. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailmansuite.log Entries

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/1/20 5:31 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > > On 12/1/20 8:22 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> Those come from the HyperKitty sync_mailman job which is run by >> hyperkitty_import if you don't specify --no-sync-mailman, but is also >> one of the Django daily jobs. > > Ok but those number are the same for thousands of entries and apparently > are being logged for weeks. That can't be good. How does one fix this? The sync_mailman job does two things. The first thing it does is for all lists known to HyperKitty, it gets the list attributes "display_name", "description", "subject_prefix", "archive_policy", "created_at" and "list_id" from Mailman core and updates the list properties in Hyperkitty. Then it gets every message sender known to Hyperkitty for which HK's sender.mailman_id is null, and, 1000 senders at a time, it tries to get and set the core user_id for the address to the sender's mailman_id. What happens when you import old archives, you archive a lot of posts with senders that are no longer list members and are not known to core, and every time sync_mailman runs, it tries again to get those core user_ids. You definitely want the first part to run to pick up changes like a change in archive_policy or a change in subject_prefix (to be able to strip it from Subject: headers. The second step could also find a newly registered core user, but is less important. Whether it is bad is a matter of opinion. At worst, it is a waste of some processing time, and at best it will pick up new users if there are any. "Fixing" it requires modification of the sync_with_mailman function in hyperkitty/libs/mailman.py. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Issue with send mail to my domain in mailman3

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/11/22 10:36, Paul Ssekamatte via Mailman-users wrote: > I get this error in mail.log when I try to send mail to my domain > Recipient address rejected: SMTP AUTH is required for users under this sender domain (in reply to RCPT TO command)). > My setup is such that the server hosting the mailman3 (lists@tld) lists is different from the mail server (mail@tld) > Please advise. This is an MTA configuration issue. The mail@tld MTA needs to deliver list mail via LMTP to Mailman's LMTP runner at lists@tld or alternatively via SMTP to an MTA at lists@tld which relays via LMTP to Mailman. We can't begin to advise you without knowing more detail about the MTA(s) configuration. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: combine postorius and hyperkitty into one Apache vhost

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/29/22 12:58, Eggert Ehmke via Mailman-users wrote: > So you prefer Gunicorn over uWSGI? When I have a working installation that > uses uwsgi, should I reconfigure for Gunicorn? At the moment I see no reason > for this, and while I am open for alternate solutions, ... No, don't change. If uWSGI is working for you, it's fine. I prefer Gunicorn and recommend it for new installations because it's already installed as a dependency of Mailman core, at least if the web UI is on the same machine as Mailman core, and because I think its configuration is simpler than uWSGI. uWSGI does have an advantage in that it can be configured to start qcluster eliminating the need to do that separately. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: parallel processing of out queue messages

by Mark Sapiro

Dan Caballero writes: > > So is there a 1:1 relationship between the number of runners and the maximum number of messages that may be processed with .bak files in the out queue? Yes. The way this works is the runner gets the first message in it's slice from the .pck file and renames the .pck to .bak. It then processes the message and upon successful completion removes the .bak. I.e., the .bak file contains the message currently being processed by that runner. The purpose of the .bak is disaster recovery in case the runner gets killed (say by a power failure), when it starts again it recovers the .bak file. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/core/switchboa… for the details of how all this, including slicing, works. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailing lists sometimes do not honor moderation_action of non-members

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/1/19 2:30 AM, Alan So wrote: > Double check the list that have issue: > > On mailman 2, > accept_these_nonmembers is empty > discard_these_nonmembers is empty > hold_these_nonmembers have a few email addresses > > The list was imported to mailman 3 a few months ago. > > On mailman 3, > accept_these_nonmembers is empty > hold_these_nonmembers is empty > discard_these_nonmembers have a few email addresses which is the same as those in hold_these_nonmembers on mailman 2. > > Therefore the import21 seem not importing the lists correctly. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/588>. import21 should convert addresses in MM 2.1 *_these_nonmembers to MM 3 nonmembers with appropriate moderation_action and keep only regexp patterns in MM 3 *_these_nonmembers. Prior to core 3.3.0 this was not working. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to connect mailman into existing postfix server

by Mark Sapiro

On 09/16/2018 02:07 AM, Hagen Bauer wrote: > Hi to all, > > I am trying to setup mailman3 with the Docker Image. Everythings works > relative nicely but I am blocked by the Postfix integration part. > > I have a small postfix server that is delivering mails to known domains > and an alias map. The standard use case assumes that the external > postfix is only routing mails to the mailman lmtp. If I do this all my > old users are recected. If your list domain is a virtual alias domain, see <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.html#unusual-…>. This is written assuming 'hash' tables and I think the Docker image generates 'regexp' tables, but it should work with those. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty issue(s)

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/28/20 8:06 AM, brylon(a)oit.rutgers.edu wrote: > Yes, I've stopped/started Mailman (quite a few times). > > Is there a particular order to undo Hyperkitty and re-do? Or perhaps add some debug lines to a particular file to get at the root cause? I'm not certain, but I don't think your issue has anything to do with the installation of HyperKitty itself. From the OP, the issue occurs in REST upon a get of /3.1/lists/bry_test4.lists-test.rutgers.edu/archivers which is probably coming from Postorius -> Settings -> Archiving. The actual error occurs in Core trying to process that request, and while it clearly has to do with archiving configuration, I don't think the installation of Hyperkitty is the issue. What happens if you set [archiver.hyperkitty] enable: no and restart Mailman? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: LTMP to Postfix problem

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/18/20 2:24 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > > The log entry posted today was: > > Jun 18 15:07:32 2020 (29862) lmtp runner started. > > That was when I restarted Mailman core. If it happens again, I will see > if the lmtp runner is running. My feeling is it died but I don't know > for sure. If you have it, look through the mailman.log for entries around the last time the connections started to be refused. See if there are entries about the runner exiting. Also, just before you restarted, there will be several runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. and runner exiting. messages. If lmtp runner is among those, it was still running when you restarted. What you are looking for is some exception/traceback from the time connections start to be refused. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: how to delete a list member using the Linux command line

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/19/20 2:10 PM, Mike Wertheim wrote: > Thanks! > > I'm on Debian 10, and the latest Mailman version that's available in the > Debian package manager is 3.2.1. > > I really have no idea how packages get updated in the package manager. Do > you know why Mailman 3.3.1 is not yet available in Debian's package > manager? (Does someone on the Mailman project need to push it there? Or > does someone on the Debian side need to pull it in?) The Debian packaging folks are aware of all our releases. Packaging them is up to Debian. See this reply <https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=960072#10> to a different issue for a bit more info. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman config is not being applied

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/23/24 10:45 AM, roberto.blandino--- via Mailman-users wrote: > Debian: 11.10 > GNU Mailman 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer) > Server version: Apache/2.4.61 (Debian) > PHP 7.4.33 (cli) (built: Apr 12 2024 00:02:16) ( NTS ) > > I have a list and when i add a no member on the web interface and on the Non-Member options i set "Administration options" to "Accept skip other rules" when i send email from that address it keeps being moderated and when i open again the options it keeps saying "Default by list" The options are not being write on changes Is there some kind of redirect in your Apache config that's losing post data? Do other settings in Postorius "stick"? Is this a Debian package? If so, see https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 via Docker and NGINX

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/19/18 7:03 AM, brian(a)emwd.com wrote: > I have Mailman3 installed on CentOS 7 using maxking's docker image. I believe the installation went fine and running "curl http://172.19.199.3:8000/postorius/lists/" produces the correct output. I also will be using exim and nginx with this installation. ... > location / { > include uwsgi_params; > uwsgi_pass 172.19.199.3:8000; > uwsgi_read_timeout 300; > proxy_set_header Host $host; > proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; > } > } Since you can curl http://172.19.199.3:8000/postorius/lists/ and get the correct output, uwsgi or whatever your wsgi process is is working at that level, and I don't think you should be invoking uwsgi in nginx. I think you should be using proxy_pass. See <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience?action=At…> for the nginx config used on lists.mailman3.org. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Spam sign ups

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/17/20 6:40 PM, Seth Seeger wrote: > > I know this was asked a while back on this list, but I'm hoping there might be an update? Any way to add an am-I-human test to the sign up? You might find <https://github.com/praekelt/django-recaptcha> helpful. However, the Mailman 2.1 listinfo subscribe forms for the MM 2.1 @python.org lists all have reCaptcha as well as the features that require GETting the form before POSTing it and requiring at least 5 seconds betweeh GETting and POSTing the form, and yet we still occasionally see periods of massive robotic web subscription attempts of which many succeed, even on lists that require confirmation. The bottom line is robots are better than humans at solving captchas. See the first few hits at <https://www.google.com/search?q=robotic+captcha+success>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: My Server is unable to connect to Mailman REST API few times

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/24/20 4:34 AM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: > Thank you Mark for your response. > > I am not sure. How can I check that if it is from unshunting ? It is from unshunting if you or someone else manually ran `mailman unshunt`. I was trying to understand how Mailman would be trying to add a message for the digest to a non-existent list. One way I think is if a message to be added was shunted from the digest queue and then unshunted after the list was deleted. This however seems unlikely. Another possibility is mailman was stopped with an entry for the list in the digest queue and started again after deleting the list. This seems more likely. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Trouble importing a Mailman 3 Postgres database into a new Mailman 3 instance (Docker)

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/21/22 08:09, skenny(a)scss.tcd.ie wrote: > > I was afraid that by removing the default database that comes with the database container, I'd be losing some vital information that may have been added or changed in the database config since I first got my production server working 2 years ago - changed field values, extra table columns ... ? Does that make any sense? I've a hazy understanding at best of the minutiae of databases, being honest. You should run your Django admin command with the `migrate` argument, however you run that in your container after you import the database to apply any necessary migrations. This should fix any issues with added columns or changed definitions. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Audit Logs

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/30/19 11:53 AM, Enrique Terrazas wrote: > Greetings, > I’m wondering if there is an “audit log” of sorts to see who made changes to a specific list. What we’re after is a way of tracking, in case requested, who made additions or deletions of subscribers etc. I can see the DELETE commands in the ./mailman/logs/mailman.log file but it doesn’t specifically state who made the request. It can be inferred from the timestamps. I’m just wondering if there is somewhere else I should be looking for this information. There is a 'subscribe' log, but currently the only events logged there are moderator approvals of unsubscribe requests held because the list's unsubscription_policy is moderate. Please submit an issue at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/new> requesting logging of the information you'd like to see in this log. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error:

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/18/19 9:26 AM, Wolfgang Bock via Mailman-users wrote: > > Hello, > > I got an errormessage via mail to root@[domain-01]. > > The complete text is attached in a utf-8-text-file. > > In the lines ...6, 8, 12, 119, 138, 141, 149, 150, 151, 155, 161, 162, > 165, 166, 169, 187, 247, 251, 321 ....you can find links to different > domains anonymised as [domain-01], [domain-02], [domain-03], [domain-04]. You attempted to delete testliste02.[domain-01] via Postorius and Mailman's REST API returned a 500 status. You may find more information in mailman.log. I'm only guessing, but possibly this is because you posted to the URL <https://[domain-02]/mailman3/postorius/lists/testliste02.[domain-01]/delete>. I.e., you were accessing Postorius at https://[domain-02]/mailman3/postorius/ (domain-02) and deleting a domain-01 list. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Negative number for digest size

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/4/20 3:12 AM, Gila Halpern wrote: > If I set the digest size threshold to -1, will that make the digest size unlimited, and it will send once per period specified in the digest frequency setting? No. Setting digest_size_threshold to anything <=0 will send a digest on every post. You have to just set it to a very large number (or a reasonable value for the largest you want the digest to grow before it is sent). However, when periodic digests are sent has nothing to do with Digest Frequency. That setting which is misnamed and improperly described (see <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/395>) controls only how often the digest volume number is incremented and issue number reset. The frequency of periodic digests is controlled by when cron runs the `mailman digests --periodic` command. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Creating superuser - problem with documentation or it's just me?

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/27/20 6:48 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > So now I have tried to see if there is such option from django-admin, but: > > (venv) [root@gw /opt/mailman/mm]# django-admin --help You must run /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin. If you run these commands in your venv, you run the ones in /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin which dont have all the pointers to configuration and settings. It's OK to run /opt/mailman/mm/bin/* with your venv active, but if you just give the command name, you get the wring one. You also must have the empty /opt/mailman/mm/__init__py so that imports of /opt/mailman/mm*.py modules will work as I said at <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Correcting name spellings in a list

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/24/21 10:13 AM, Peter Adebahr via Mailman-users wrote: > On 2/24/21 6:40 AM, Morris Jones wrote: >> I typo'd some full names in a mailing list. Is there a way to fix it >> without writing SQL? >> > > I understand it is just the name itself, which has been typo'd, not the > mail address: Couldn't you just edit the field "display_name" of table > "address" in the MM3 database? Easy with phpmyadmin or adminer... Of course you can do that if that's where the typo is. The actual display name you see may be the one in the `address` table, or it may be the one in the `user` table depending on whether the subscription is by address or by user. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to promote non-members to members?

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/15/22 11:16, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: > Hello, > > We have a constant issue with confirmation emails for subscribers > getting lost and then the subscriber contacting us because their posts > to the list never show up. Is there a way I can, as an administrator, > do the confirmation on their behalf or in some other way promote them to > being a member from non-member? See this thread https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… If they don't have an outstanding subscription waiting user confirmation, you can just mass subscribe them. If they do and your Postorius and Mailman core is reasonably up to date, you can find the pending request at Subscription requests -> Pending Confirmation, delete it and then mass subscribe them. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: best pratice - set default MM settings and make them update-save

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/16/22 07:16, Stefan Bauer wrote: > > Is there also a way to have this box checked by default or do not request a > verifcation at all? > Could not find any flag in base.py. To have the box checked by default would require a patch to Postorius like this. ``` --- a/src/postorius/forms/list_forms.py +++ b/src/postorius/forms/list_forms.py @@ -1073,7 +1073,7 @@ class ListMassSubscription(forms.Form): pre_verified = forms.BooleanField( label=_('Pre Verified'), - initial=False, + initial=True, required=False, help_text=_( 'If checked, users will not have to verify that their ' ``` Not requiring verification at all would require patching Mailman core but would be a bad idea as it could allow someone to subscribe anyone without that person's consent. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Is there a way to see all the list's held messages

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/11/22 07:04, bob B via Mailman-users wrote: > I run mailman but do not admin the lists. Is there a way for me to see all the held messages for all the lists? There are various things you can do depending on what you want. Does 'I run mailman' mean you are an admin of the server on which it is installed? If so, you can do this in `mailman shell`, but what do you want to see? I.e., just a summary by list of subject, sender and hold reason or also the message content. Also, the Django superuser has full admin access to all the lists and again depending on what you want, that may suffice. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Error downloading CSV for 1,300 members

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/23/23 10:45, Jose Bernal wrote: > Any suggestions on troubleshooting downloading a modest-size CSV file for a > list with 1,300 members? Clicking "CSV Export" on smaller lists works > fine, but on this larger list I get this error in mailman-web.log: > > Thu Feb 23 10:03:32 2023 - uwsgi_response_write_body_do(): Broken pipe > [core/writer.c line 429] during GET /mailman3/postorius/lists/ > members.list.ocdla.org/csv_view/ (172.31.54.89) > OSError: write error This is probably due to a timeout in uwsgi. This thread <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…> is about timeouts when downloading archives, but the same considerations apply. To increase the worker timeout for uwsgi, set the harakiri option. See <https://uwsgi-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Glossary.html#glossary> and <https://uwsgi-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Options.html#harakiri> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Subscription requires confirmation when list is set as Open

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/17/24 13:35, Mark wrote: > > However, if I subscribe with an address that has never been used before, > I receive an email that requires me to confirm the subscription. > > The subscription is also held in the administrator's "Subscription > requests: Pending confirmation". > > This happens when subscribing by both email and the web UI. > > Ideally, as the Policy is set as "Open", the subscription of any new > email address should be added automatically. > > Have I missed a configuration setting somewhere? It is not the subscription that requires confirmation. It is the user's email address. Even though the list's subscribe policy is open, a previously unknown email address has to be confirmed. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Issue with mySQLdb-module on Debian

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/24/19 3:00 AM, Bjoern Franke wrote: > Hi, > > I already opened a debian bugreport for it, but I'm still wondering why > the following issue appears: > > File > "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py", > line 30, in <module> > 'Did you install mysqlclient or MySQL-python?' % e > django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: Error loading MySQLdb > module: No module named 'MySQLdb'. > Did you install mysqlclient or MySQL-python? > > python3-pymysql, which is a dependency of mailman3-web and provides > mySQLdb, is installed. You need both pymysql and mysqlclient. The former is used by Mailman core and the latter by Django. These can be installed with pip via pip3 install pymysql pip3 install mysqlclient or apt via apt install python3-pymysql python3-mysqldb -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: ValueError: ...:EVP_DigestInit_ex:disabled for fips

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/19/20 5:57 AM, Ralf Wiegand wrote: > (venv-3.6) [root@maildev mailman-suite_project]# python manage.py migrate > Operations to perform: > Apply all migrations: account, admin, auth, contenttypes, > django_mailman3, django_q, hyperkitty, openid, postorius, sessions, > sites, socialaccount > Running migrations: > Applying contenttypes.0001_initial...Traceback (most recent call last): ... > File > "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/db/backends/utils.py", > line 221, in names_digest > h = hashlib.md5() > *ValueError: error:060800A3:digital envelope > routines:EVP_DigestInit_ex:disabled for fips* > > > > Hello group, I am running into this error. any idea what is going > wrong here? This is a Django issue, not Mailman per se. The migration that's failing is django/contrib/contenttypes/migrations/0001_initial.py. A brief search seems to indicate that this won't work with NSS FIPS. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: New messages not being archived

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/20/21 12:55 PM, Sarah H wrote: > going to port 8000 directly results in > > http.client.RemoteDisconnected: Remote end closed connection without response Is this from mailman.log? In any case, what are all the messages in mailman.log related to this? > attempting to curl the suggested addresses from earlier in the thread return the same results. > > [sarah@]$ curl http://127.0.0.1:8000/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive > curl: (52) Empty reply from server > [sarah@]$ curl http://127.0.0.1:8000/archive/api/mailman/archive > curl: (52) Empty reply from server You only need to try one of these - `hyperkitty` and `archive` are synonyms for the same things. What if you try ``` curl -X POST http://127.0.0.1:8000/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive ``` and ``` curl -X POST https://127.0.0.1:8000/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive ``` (Does Nginx proxy to uWsgi as http or https?) -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: migratng from 3.2.2 Debian packages to 3.3.8 source install - web server question

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/23/23 10:44 PM, Ken Alker wrote: > 4) python3: can't open file 'manage.py': [Errno 2] No such file or > directory > > The last one looks the most concerning, and is looping. If you installed the mailman-web package from PyPI, the django admin command is bin/mailman-web in your venv, not manage.py. On 6/24/23 8:25 AM, Ken Alker wrote: > > That said, I was forced to move mailman3web.db to /opt/mailman/web as > sqlite (and, hence, mailman-web) simply could not open the database as > user mailman from my virtual environment (even with mailman3web.db file > permissions set to 777 and owner.group set to mailman.mailman). That's probably an aparmor issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Something wrong in Django admin interfaces

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/21/23 01:39, Franklin Weng wrote: > > When I clicked any features like users, Mail domains, Failed tasks... > anyone, no matter New or Change, the web page was covered by the first > page. All the configuration fields/labels are covered by the first page. > > Please see the screenshot: > > https://nextcloud.slat.org/index.php/s/e5KKEEbqDK6DpiN > > https://nextcloud.slat.org/index.php/s/nLgMRQ9ACyxCwoc > > It was not able to do the administration tasks. I can't see your screen shots; the connection times out. However, this is not a Mailman issue. The Django web admin interface is part of Django. See <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.2/ref/contrib/admin/> This issue should probably be reported to Debian if it is a Debian package issue, or possibly to Django. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: "Private archives" aren't private

by Mark Sapiro

On 06/04/2017 07:47 AM, Simon Liebold via Mailman-users wrote: > OK, no problem there: > > <QuerySet [(u'simsimmer(a)lists.simonliebold.de', 2L)]> >> >> It's possible that you changed the archive_policy of a list and the >> change wasn't reflected in Hyperkitty. > Postorius is showing the list's settings as "Private archives" (see > screenshot). But apparently this setting doesn't do anything when > switching it to "public" and back to "private". It always returns '2L'. > Don't know if this is expected. Just to be sure, if you are just repeating the MailingList.objects.all().values_list('name', 'archive_policy') command, you won't be seeing the current value. You have to do either abort() or commit() to flush the previously retrieved data. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Handling of SPAM mails in mailman3 - Check for X-Spam Header

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/19/20 6:42 AM, Torge Riedel wrote: > > One final question: When adding a new header filter I can select between > different actions. And there is one named "Default Anti-Spam action" > (roughly translated from German). I cannot find anything else about this > somewhere else in the settings (Postorius). So what it is the "Default > Anti-Spam action"? There is a configuration setting with default [antispam] jump_chain: hold "Default Anti-Spam action" should set the action for that rule to None which means use the configured [antispam]jump_chain: value. However, there is a bug in REST in core that doesn't allow setting `None` so you can't chose that setting anyway. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/671>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Member Issue Discovered

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/23/20 9:37 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > > How would a person already be a core user outside of a registration with > Affinity? Via a list subscription or the import21 script? Yes, or even just by sending a post to a list as a nonmember. Everyone who is or has been a member, non-member, owner or moderator of a list has a user and one or more address records in Mailman core. > I do want to apologize for my tone Mark. I was wrong in the way I communicated. Apology accepted. I understand that it can be frustrating to be dependent on something you don't control and that this can sometimes lead to "anomalous" behavior. Here's a take on this that is intended to be humorous, but is actually quite frightening. https://xkcd.com/2347/ -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Web UI setup

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/31/22 11:21, Lars Bjørndal wrote: > > The idea is to prepare mailman3 for several virtual domains. > > When I connect to lamasti.net/mailman3, the title is example.com. How can I change that? There are threads on this in the archives. See https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… for example. If you go to https://example.com/mailman3/domains/ you should see the domains you have configured with their SITE_ID shown in the Web Host column. If you set SITE_ID in your Django settings to one if those values, that is the host name that will be displayed. There is usually a default example.com with SITE_ID = 1 even if it doesn't display on the domains view. If you have multiple web hosts you want SITE_ID = 0 to display the host in the http request. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: E-mail every minute: "Cron <www-data@sharky5> ..."

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/7/24 6:11 AM, Robert Heller wrote: > What am I missing? I *think* I have mailman3 *mostly* setup, but there are > still some configuration things that are missing, but I am not sure how to fix > them (the docs are NOT clear). I am getting an e-mail *every* minute that > looks like: ... > /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_q/conf.py:139: UserWarning: Retry and timeout are misconfigured. Set retry larger than timeout, > failure to do so will cause the tasks to be retriggered before completion. > See https://django-q.readthedocs.io/en/latest/configure.html#retry for details. Set something like ``` # Set retry > timeout. Q_CLUSTER = { 'timeout': 300, 'retry': 360, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm': 'default', } ``` in your settings_local.py -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Recommended way to backup a mailman3 instance

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/18/20 3:26 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: > > In my situation I noticed the directories weren't created very quickly as my Exim config looks for the list directories to identify whether that address exists. I don't know how Postfix does the aliasing but for my case it would make sense to get the directories created as soon as possible, not sure if the digest handler would be soon enough or not. The directory is created when the list is created and should always be there if the list is there. The idea behind <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/699> is only to correct a situation where the directory for a list is absent because it was deleted or the server was restored from a backup that didn't contain it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: Extract posts into mbox file

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/17/20 10:23 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > Where are the posts stored in the database? What tables? How would on go about exporting them into mbox format for the complete set? It depends on which archiver(s) if any are enabled for the list. For the prototype archiver, messages are archived in Maildir format, <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maildir>, in the directory var/archives/prototype/<list-address>/ For Hyperkitty, messages are stored in the database in the hyperkitty_email table and non-plain text parts are in the hyperkitty_attachment table, but you don't need to know that because in any HyperKitty view, i.e. a message view, a thread view, a threads by month view ot an all threads view, there is a button to download all the messages in that view as a gzipped .mbox file. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty shows "<" as <

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/5/23 07:39, Andreas Schamanek wrote: > > The function that handles it is escapeemaillinks() in > templatetags/hk_generic.py (at line 111 in my version). > > Adding `.replace("&","&")` to the return value fixes the rendering > of email addresses (at least for me). escapeemaillinks(text) searches text for strings like <a href="mailto:user@example.com>xxx</a> and replaces them with user(a)example.com thus replacing everything from `<a href=` through `</a>` with just the email address with `@` replaced by `(a)` However, text is the whole message body, so what you are doing is just replacing `&` with `&` in the message body, but only when escapeemaillinks(text) is invoked. Also, this is all changed in HyperKitty 1.3.5 with the addition of optional markdown rendering. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: export/import list?

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/22/23 2:38 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: > > I'm moving from sqlite3 to postgres; I can handle that migration. But > I'm also moving from Mailman 3.1.1 to 3.3.8; do you (or anyone else) > know of any schema changes? I spot-checked the first few and they > looked the same, but before going through all of them I figured I'd just > ask here. Schema changes are handled automatically by alembic. The migrations are defined in /mailman/database/alembic/versions/. Your current version is is stored in the database in the alembic_version table. When Mailman core is started, all migrations from your current version to the latest version will be applied to bring your database up to date. I.e., you don't need to be concerned about schema changes upon upgrade. They are handled automatically. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Sanity check of upgrade procedure

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/26/22 17:30, David Newman wrote: > > OK, thanks. Before getting to mistune, this command, run as mailman in a > venv: > > pip install -U mailman postorius django-mailman3 hyperkitty mailman-web > uwsgi Mailmanclient > > produced this error: > > .. > > Attempting uninstall: mailman-web > Found existing installation: mailman-web 0.0.6.dev9+gc606169 > Uninstalling mailman-web-0.0.6.dev9+gc606169: > Successfully uninstalled mailman-web-0.0.6.dev9+gc606169 > ERROR: Could not install packages due to an OSError: [Errno 13] > Permission denied: 'WHEEL' > Check the permissions. > > The command also said I needed to upgrade pip. Doing that produced a > similar error. > > How to resolve this error? Thanks again. Was the venv initially created as the `mailman` user? Maybe sudo chown mailman:mailman /path/to/venv will fix it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM2 -> MM3 Migration: listinfo page

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/9/23 02:49, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > I'd rather not touch the MM2.1 domain because references have been made to > it in publications. > What I am struggling with is the listinfo.html file: > ``` > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > ``` > I am struggling to add reference to the MM3 subscription link user the > " Subscribe to KICTANet by filling out the following form:" > The HTML code to insert there beats me :) Where you have ``` Subscribe to KICTANet by filling out the following form:<br> ``` replace that with ``` Subscribe to KICTANet <a href="https://example.com/mailman3/lists/kictanet@example.com>here</a><br> ``` where https://example.com/mailman3/lists/kictanet@example.com is the URL to the Mailman3 list's info page. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Pkl files with ".last" extension

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/12/24 2:20 PM, Keith Christian via Mailman-users wrote: > In the MM2 to MM3 migration project I'm involved with, I see files with > names like config.pkl.last along with config.pkl. > > Is there a special reason for the ".last" extension and if so, what is it? A Mailman 2.1 list has possibly as many as 4 configuration files. - config.pck (not pkl) is the current list configuration. - config.pck.last is the immediately prior configuration used in case config.pck is corrupt or missing. In addition there may be config.db and config.db.last files. These only exist if the list predates MM 2.1 and should be removed because they're old and could be used as a fallback if both config.pck and config.pck.last are missing or corrupt. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Moderating posts via email

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/26/2017 02:21 PM, Dmitry Makovey wrote: > > after which we've used above password trying to approve messages > following the steps outlined above. > > What are we doing wrong, or where to look for further information? Are you replying to the outer message or to the message in the attached message/rfc822 part that contains the If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact, ... text? You don't actually have to 'reply' to anything, but your message with the 'Approved: password' actual header or first body line must be sent To: the list-request address with Subject: confirm <token> (possibly preceded by 'Re: ' or similar. If you reply to the attached message/rfc822 message, it should work. If you reply to the outer message it won't work. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Template Ignored?

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/17/22 08:04, Stephen Daniel wrote: > Mailman3 people -- > > I created a new list, and used postorius to create a template for " > list:user:notice:welcome". I then used the mass subscription feature to > add myself to the list, having checked "pre-confirmed", "pre-approved", and > "pre-verified". > > I received a welcome message that appears to be the default welcome > message. It certainly wasn't what I put into my template. > > Any suggestions on how I get mailman to use my template? Things I might be > doing wrong? What is your setting for POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL? If you create a full URL by appending `/api/templates/list/list.example.com/list:user:notice:welcome` to that where `list.example.com` is the actual list_id of your list, and go to that URL, what do you get? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Broken web UI after upgrade

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/14/22 08:15, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > After upgrading MM3 and running all the post-update tasks and even > re-indexing all the posts, I have ended up with a somehow "broken" > hyperkitty. > The archives display on a browser six, to say the least. > The site is public, so I can share the link: https://list.rc.org/archives/ > > What should I do in order to fix this? > Are you asking about the lack of style or the "No archived list yet."? The former indicates an issue in your web browser with accessing the `static` directory or an issue with the django admin collectstatic or compress commands. I don't know about the latter - could it be because all the archives are private and I'm, not logged in? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problems after upgrading from bullseye to bookworm

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/26/23 12:35 PM, Ken Alker wrote: > I'm brand new to this, so take this with a grain of sale, but, I had a similar problem a few days ago, however, mine was "flufl.i18n>=3.2". Perhaps the same thing is happening with flufl.lock (but that didn't bite me). > > I solved my problem by following this: <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1085> and, ultimately modifying "$VENV_ROOT/lib/$PYVERSION/site-packages/mailman-3.3.8.egg-info/requires.txt" per that thread (see <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1085#note_1442207929> by Thomas Ward section called "The WORKAROUND"). Maybe you need to do the same thing, but for flufl.lock. Yes, the same issue now affects flufl.lock as well as flufl.i18n. You will need to change both flufl.lock->flufl_lock and flufl.i18n->flufl_i18n. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Any possible way to reduce robot spam accounts?

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/20/23 20:42, Franklin Weng wrote: > > Thank you. When I set it in my settings_local.py, I clicked register > and got an error: > > ModuleNotFoundError at/accounts/signup/ > No module named 'django_mailman3.views.user_adapter' > > (In the document the path is /etc/mailman3/settings.py but I installed > it with Debian packages so I guess the path is somewhat different, and I > thought setting in setting_local.py should work too. It seems work > since it gave me the error above.) > > Do I have to install something else? Or disable some other options? What is the version of django_mailman3 in your Debian package? As it says in the FAQ article, "You would need django-mailman3 >= 1.3.6 for these settings to work." -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman issues after re-boot

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/29/23 12:53, paulrubin37(a)gmail.com wrote: > > When I tried to use mailman-web I get this error: > > django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware must be added to settings.MIDDLEWARE This is because you have django-allauth>=0.56. If your django-mailman3 version is <=1.3.9 you can downgrade django-allauth with ``` pip install django-allauth\<0.56 ``` Or you can find where in your django settings MIDDLEWARE is defined and add ``` 'allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware', ``` to the list, however if you have a /etc/mailman3/settings.py like the one at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#initial-configu… the imports from mailman_web.settings.base, you need to add the following to /etc/mailman3/settings.py ``` x = list(MIDDLEWARE) x.insert(0, 'allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware') MIDDLEWARE = x ``` Note either downgrade django-allauth or update MIDDLEWARE, but not both. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: using SSH/TLS with external MTA

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/28/24 06:26, Roland Giesler via Mailman-users wrote: > On 2024/07/28 00:39, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> What do you see in Mailman's smtp.log and in the mail.log on the mail >> server? > > The smtp log is in syslog... The smtp.log I refer to is Mailman's smtp.log which is in Mailman's var/logs/ directory. > I think I see what's going on here. The mail is being sent from > postorius(a)giesler.za.net and there is no log entry on > box2.gtahardware.co.za that shows this logon attempt. So it seems it's > not going to that server, but rather to the local postfix. > > A mail was sent to root on the localhost with the following content: > > Return-Path: <root(a)giesler.za.net> > X-Original-To: root@localhost > Delivered-To: root@localhost > Received: from mailman.fast.za.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) > by mailman.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2174A120A5B > for <root@localhost>; Sun, 28 Jul 2024 13:11:03 +0000 (UTC) > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Subject: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: > /accounts/login/ > From: root(a)giesler.za.net > To: root@localhost > Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 13:11:03 -0000 > Message-ID: <172217226313.2150.10895652368679013629(a)mailman.fast.za.net> > > Internal Server Error: /accounts/login/ > > SMTPRecipientsRefused at /accounts/login/ > {'roland(a)giesler.za.net': (454, b'4.7.1 <roland(a)giesler.za.net>: Relay > acce= > ss denied')} This is mail from django-allauth, not from Mailman. Your settings in mailman.cfg do not affect how this mail is sent. See https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/5.0/topics/email/#smtp-backend for the Django settings for this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Different (official?) documentations available - what is the correct one?

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/14/19 9:12 AM, Torge Riedel wrote: > Hi, > > I've found two different documentations: > > http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/index.html > > https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/README.html > > Where the first one looks to me like the official documentation (when > looking at the URL), the second one looks more up-to-date. > > Is there a reason behind it? They are both part of the official docs. The first is the overview of the entire documentation suite. The second is the documentation for Mailman core. The link in the first bullet item, 'Mailman Core - the mailing list manager core (required)' actually is to <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/> which is another name for <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/README.html>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: join via webform

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/19/19 4:50 AM, mailman3(a)malevil.cc wrote: > Is there a simple possibility to join a mailinglist besider writing a mail to list-join(a)example.com? I know you can register and then join a list, but thats only possible for public lists It is also possible for unadvertised lists. You can go to `lists/list@domain` and subscribe even though the list is not advertised. > and I would like to have such a very simple webform for a specific list where you just enter your email address and then get the confirmation mail. I guess there was something like this with mailman2 You can do this by having your web form do the subscription via the REST API. See <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/rest.html> and <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/membership.h…>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderation not working?

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/24/20 2:53 PM, peter(a)chubb.wattle.id.au wrote: > > The only think I noticed after trawling through all the configs is > there was no moderator address set up. In Mailman 2.1 that meant the > list owner would be asked to moderate. I've added a couple of > addresses to see what happens next Held message notices, both immediate if set and summary (assuming the appropriate cron is active) are sent to all owners and moderators. This is the same for MM 3 and MM 2.1. > For other lists on the same mailman instance I *am* seeing moderation > requests for non-member postings --- but they had explicit moderator > addresses configured. The explicit moderators should not make any difference. Plus, a message being held and an owner/moderator notice of the held message are two separate things. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Held messages: Long time waiating for response of the Mailman API

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/27/22 05:22, Stephan Krinetzki wrote: > > I think there is a communication problem in the chain: > > apache -> uwsgi -> mailmancore/API ->database > > but i can't dig deeper there. Let me know if i should provide more details or logs It seems that this part of the chain apache -> uwsgi -> mailmancore/API is not experiencing delay. It is involved with every Postorius request, most of which seem to have no issues. It is only this one piece mailmancore/API ->database that seems to have an issue and only with this one DELETE FROM pendedkeyvalue WHERE pendedkeyvalue.id = XXX query. However, like you, I have no idea as to what you could do further to debug this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Emergency moderation and clearing out a lot of held messages

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/11/22 10:23, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > The two database configuration is not really a recommendation. I > suppose the practice derives from an abundance of caution, as there > are concepts like "User" that must be implemented in somewhat > different ways across components (core doesn't authenticate users, > while Postorius's primary function is authentication of users). I > myself would worry that there might be name collisions among tables, > which would cause mayhem, but that's probably excessive. FWIW, the Mailman3 installations at both mail.python.org and lists.mailman3.org use a single database and with the exception of Mailman core's tables and Postorius' `template` table, tables are prefixed with application names like `auth`, `django_` and `hyperkitty_`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: WSGI: gunicorn and uwsgi

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/9/19 3:18 AM, andrew.bernard(a)gmail.com wrote: > Using the Ubuntu 19 packages for all the mailman suite, uwsgi is the Python WSGI server included. I have now switched over to a full build from current source from gitlab, following Mark Sapiro's excellent instructions. Thank you. > It would appear that the current code has the use of gunicorn built in. Is gunicorn the preferred way now to run the mailman Django apps? Is it worth spending time converting everything to use uwsgi, or should I go with the flow and use gunicorn? The "built-in" gunicorn is used only by core to provide the REST API interface. This replaced the former standard library wsgiref module to improve performance. It is completely independent of whatever WSGI server you use for Django. > What are the advantages of gunicorn over uwsgi? I can't comment intelligently on that. For a long time I used Graham Dumpleton's mod_wsgi with Apache for wsgi support, mostly for MoinMoin. I have no experience with uwsgi. When I set up MM 3 on lists.mailman3.org, the server was already using nginx so I arbitrarily chose gunicorn for that. On mail.python.org I started using mod_wsgi, but at one point there was an issue due apparently to an SSL library mismatch following an upgrade, but before the cause was recognized, I switched to gunicorn to get things up. On a third server I manage, I use mod_wsgi for MoinMoin which is Python 2.7. I found setting up both Python 2.7 and Python 3 versions of mod_wsgi on the same server to be daunting, so I went with gunicorn for Mailman 3 on that server too. My choices of gunicorn over uwsgi were an initial arbitrary choice followed by familiarity for subsequent choices. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: where to configure max_days_to_hold on MM3 GUI interface?

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/5/20 9:55 AM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: > > With the above script I am able to set the value of max_days_to_hold as > required but how to check manually and make my held messages discarded > automatically which are after the specified period configured for > max_days_to_hold. > > If I am able to do it manually I can be confident to take in to production > so that the held messages after a specific period would not be appeared > under "held messages" tab. I'm really not sure what you are looking to do, but I can tell you that while the max_days_to_hold list attribute exists and can be set, the actual discarding of held messages older than max_days_to_hold is not implemented. Thus the setting currently does nothing. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: New messages not being archived

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/15/21 11:28 AM, Sarah H wrote: > I have, it just ends up printing out the pages html in the error message after: > > </html> > Jul 14 10:52:31 2021 (471314) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 154, in _archive_message > url = self._send_message(mlist, msg) > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 210, in _send_message > raise ValueError(result.text) > ValueError: > ... I'm interested in what's before that in the log. I.e., the message that says HyperKitty failure on <the url>: <the returned data> (<the http status>) Or, is there some redirect in your web server that is maybe redirecting `http` to `https` and returning some `3xx` status? We really need to see the status from the above message. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: slow restart time for mailmanweb

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/28/21 1:07 PM, David Newman wrote: > Debian 11.2, Mailman 3.3.5, Python 3.9.2, MariaDB 10.5.12-0+deb11u1 > > On a Debian system running MariaDB, mailman3 restarts quickly but > mailmanweb takes about 90 seconds: > > root@myhost # time systemctl restart mailmanweb > > real 1m30.156s > user 0m0.013s > sys 0m0.000s > > The daemon.log has a timeout error: > > Dec 28 12:16:01 myhost systemd[1]: Stopping GNU Mailman Web UI... > Dec 28 12:16:03 myhost uwsgi[409333]: [uWSGI] getting INI configuration > from /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini > Dec 28 12:17:31 myhost systemd[1]: mailmanweb.service: State > 'stop-sigterm' timed out. Killing. ... > Dec 28 12:17:31 myhost systemd[1]: Stopped GNU Mailman Web UI. It looks to me like the timeout is in stopping, not starting. What happens if you separately systemctl stop mailmanweb and systemctl start mailmanweb -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: FILTER_VHOST = True doesn't work fine with alias_domain

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/18/22 01:55, Élodie BOSSIER via Mailman-users wrote: > Thank you for your response Mark, > > With Mailman 2.1, the lists were split on their webpage respectively. > How could I do same with Mailman 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer) please ? > > My domain table SQL have this result : > id, mail_host, description, alias_domain > 1, ml.franceserv.fr, NULL, local.ml.franceserv.fr > 2, ml.viticreation.fr, NULL, local.ml.viticreation.fr If you go to https://example.com/mailman3/domains/ (the Domains view in Postorius) you will see at least two entries, one with Mail Host ml.franceserv.fr and one with Mail Host ml.viticreation.fr. What are the Web Host entries for these? You should have two separate site entries in the django_site table (https://example.com/admin/sites/site/) for these domains. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Huge performance issue: Mailman doesn't (seem to) receive any mails.

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/18/19 3:32 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: > I am running maxking/mailman-*:0.2 (GNU Mailman 3.2.0 (La Villa Strangiato)). > > It looks like Mailman is not receiving (enough) mails, but are keps in the Postfix queue and I can't figure out why. > > I get a lot of "mail for [172.19.199.2]:8024 is using up 7841 of 7841 active queue entries" in the postfix container log (more postfix log at the buttom. I know nothing about Docker containers and how they communicate with each other, but Postfix is trying to deliver mail via lmtp to [172.19.199.2]:8024. Mailman's lmtp runner should be running and listening on port 8024. Either that is not the case or that port is not exposed to Postfix on IP 172.19.199.2. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 gateway errors and frequent reboot needs

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/19/20 1:21 PM, hansen(a)rc.org wrote: > We have had to reboot the list server almost every week and wonder if there is something leaking and eating up resources. I does not appear to be memory, though. The server is slow to respond (could be because it's overseas) and then after some time we get intermittent gateway errors and finally we cannot access the lists online because of the gateway errors. It appears to me that the issue is with Postorius, but I could be wrong. Do files get closed after opening? Are we alone having such issues? We are not seeing an issue like this on either lists.mailman3.org (this list) or mail.python.org (at the moment 118 @python.org Mailman 3 lists) What are you seeing in web server logs? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: pending subscriptions lost?

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/14/22 09:18, IEM Network Operation Center (IOhannes m zmölnig) wrote: > > this is with "Postorius Version 1.2.4" (as installed by the mailman3 > Debian package). The Debian packages are OK for people who want to install things via a package manager, but they are quite out of date. Something like the following in `mailman shell` can do it. ``` >>> # Cutoff date delete pended subscriptions older than this >>> cutoff = '2022-03-01' >>> pendings = getUtility(IPendings) >>> # Prior to Mailman core 3.3.5 need to explicitly delete workflow >>> wfm = getUtility(IWorkflowStateManager) >>>for token, data in pendings.find(pend_type='subscription'): ... if data['token_owner'] != 'subscriber': ... continue ... if data['when'] >= cutoff: ... continue ... pendings.confirm(token, expunge=True) ... # for MM < 3.3.5 ... wfm.discard(token) ... >>> commit() ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: How to hide sender completely

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/9/23 02:00, Roland Miyamoto via Mailman-users wrote: > Could anyone tell me whether there is a way to hide > the sender address of list mails completely from the recipients. > > Even for an anonymous list, the sender still occurs in two fields > > envelope-from <sender(a)sender-domain.tld> > X-MailFrom: sender(a)sender-domain.tld > > of the mail header. > Is there a way to suppress this information? Anonymous lists should be removing any X-MailFrom: or X-Envelope-From: headers from delivered mail. The envelope-from in the outgoing mail should be the list-bounces address, not the original sender. If you are seeing this information in mail from an anonymous list, it is a bug and I would like to see a raw message as received from the list with this information. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Odd behavior: "Invalid" list destinations result in mail routing loop w/ SMTP relay in line

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/6/23 11:11, Thomas Ward via Mailman-users wrote: > See, that's the oddness. There appears to be SOME weird mail loop here > where $ORIGIN (MS365/Exchange) hands it once, then there's > back-and-forth between SMTPPROXY and Mailman. IT's really odd how it > behaves, and I have no explanation for it. > > Right now I'm away from the office where this happens, but when I'm back > there I'll grab logs from both sides. > > > Thomas > > On 12/5/23 17:54, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> On 12/5/23 10:08, Thomas Ward via Mailman-users wrote: >>> We use a multi-hop SMTP system to go from the inside of our network >>> out to the Internet at the domain test.lists.example.com. >>> >>> The setup is this way for ingress: >>> >>> {EXTERNAL} -> MS365 (relay/antispam) -> MS On-Prem (via 365 >>> Connector) -> Mailman for delivery to listserv Presumably the EXTERNAL to MS365 SMTP transaction includes MAIL FROM: <user(a)example.com> RCPT TO: <invalid(a)test.lists.example.com> It seems that somewhere in the path to Mailman this is getting changed to MAIL FROM: <invalid(a)test.lists.example.com> so the outbound DSN is sent to invalid(a)test.lists.example.com instead of user(a)example.com. The question is which one of the MTAs in the path is doing this and why. But even more mysterious is the fact that the DSN from Mailman should be sent with MAIL FROM: <> so when it's undeliverable, no further DSN is sent. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: 3rd Party Account is not working

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/16/21 4:46 AM, Matthew Alberti wrote: > I think each plugin has to be configured separately, such as with an API key from each service. For what it's worth, this list supports 4 Oauth2 providers, Google, Facebook, Github and Gitlab. 3 of these require stuff in Django's settings ``` SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = { 'google': { 'SCOPE': ['profile', 'email'], 'AUTH_PARAMS': {'access_type': 'online'}, }, 'facebook': { 'METHOD': 'oauth2', 'SCOPE': ['email'], 'FIELDS': [ 'email', 'name', 'first_name', 'last_name', 'locale', 'timezone', ], 'VERSION': 'v2.12', }, 'gitlab': { 'SCOPE': ['read_user'], }, } Additionly, each requires creation of an app with the provider and addition of the app and its keys in the Django admin UI at socialaccount/socialapp/. See <https://django-allauth.readthedocs.io/en/latest/providers.html> for more info on setting up specific providers. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 admin from mailman2 & File location questions

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/4/21 6:58 AM, bob B wrote: > Sorry i did some more digging and for question 2 I found: > > "By default, HyperKitty stores the email attachments in the database. If you would rather have them stored on the filesystem, you can set the HYPERKITTY_ATTACHMENT_FOLDER configuration value to a directory." That only refers to attachments, not to the message headers and body. > So unless I am missing something, I no longer need a big drive on my mailman3 install (Like i did on mailman2) cause everything is being stored in the database That is correct for HyperKitty by default, but not for the prototype archiver. See https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… Of course the prototype archiver can be disabled and maybe is in your case. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: File in /var/lib/mailman3/queue/bounces/

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/11/21 6:29 PM, Andreas Barth wrote: > > in my local installation there is a file in > /var/lib/mailman3/queue/bounces/ since a couple of days. Any hint how > to get rid of it? 'mailman unshunt' doesn't do it, but also, it's in > queue/bounces and now queue/shunt. I suspect the issue is that bounce runner is not running. If you grep Mailman's mailman.log for `bounces` I suspect you will see that it has died and not restarted. You may or may not find additional information in the log as to why it died, but in any case restarting Mailman should start everything again. The master should restart it when it dies, but this is https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/898 for which we don't have a satisfactory fix. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 doesn't send Mails to users (Debian12 with Plesk)

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/11/24 6:47 AM, Marcus Bautze via Mailman-users wrote: > i found: > > python3-django-hyperkitty 1.3.7-1 > python3-mailman-hyperkitty 1.2.1-1 > mailman3-full 3.3.8-2~deb12u1 These versions should be OK and your other settings seem OK. I suspect that the issue may be nginx not forwarding the Authorization: header from mailman_hyperkitty. Your nginx config posted at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… seems a bit off. If you compare that to https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#nginx-configura… you'll see you are missing a `location /static/` directive and you've included `proxy_hide_header upgrade;`. I'm not sure why you have this. I don't see why ngnix would be dropping the Authorization: header , but you might try adding `proxy_pass_header "Authorization";` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

10 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: User cannot reset password

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/11/24 11:27, Greg Newby wrote: > > 1. Will the new (Django) and imported (Postorius) usernames automatically > be matched to the same email address? > > The goal is for someone to use the web-based front end to manage their > migrated subscriptions. Yes, The user creates an account with one of their MM 2.1 email addresses and adds any other MM 2.1 addresses to that account. That account will be associated with all their list subscriptions. > 2. How can I customize the email that went to users who selected "Forgot > password?" ( > > You are receiving this email because you, or someone else, tried to access > an account with email > > > I didn't find that string in the source code. It comes from Django-allauth. See allauth/templates/account/email/unknown_account_message.txt -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: problem with Python's stdlib email module

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/5/23 14:59, Peter Münster wrote: > On Mon, Jun 05 2023, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> Basically, all over. > > Thanks. I would like to find out, which function is responsible for the > modification of the body, before filling a bug report. > Unfortunately I don't have any experience with Python, so any help is > highly appreciated. > My idea is to add "print(message)" at the places, that you mentioned. > Where would I find the output then? You don't want to use print statements. All those modules do logging to various logs so they pretty much all import logging. Then you add something like ``` dlog = logging.getLogger('mailman.debug') ``` near the beginning of the module and then add things like ``` dlog.info(msg.as_bytes()) ``` to write the message to debug.log. However, I would not proceed in that way. I would start by putting the raw problem message as it comes to mailman in a file and then use `mailman shell` do to things like ``` >>> import email >>> import smtplib >>> from mailman.email.message import Message >>> with open('path/to/message/file', 'rb') as fp: ... msg = email.message_from_binary_file(fp, Message) ... >>> ``` to create the message object, and then do something like ``` >>> conn = smtplib.SMTP() >>> conn.sendmail(from_addr, to_addrs, msg) ``` to send the message to to_address and see if it has the added lines. Or maybe just ``` >>> print(msg.as_bytes()) ``` to see if that has the added lines. It may be necessary to do things like ``` >>> msg['Message-ID-Hash'] = 'aaaaa' ``` to add a header to create the issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: integrating mm3 with postfix / lmtp

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/25/2017 01:08 PM, Fabian A. Santiago wrote: > Hello, > > I have mm3 up and running via docker (courtesy of maxking/docker-mailman) but when i send an email to my test list, it bounces back claiming user unknown. it states: > > <"lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024"@>: unknown user: > "lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024" > > looking at the email source, it seems as though the message is trying to be delivered to: > > Final-Recipient: rfc822; "lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024"@<my email server's FQDN> > Original-Recipient: rfc822;test123@<my list's email domain> > > all of various alias transport maps are defined in postfix's main.cf. not sure where to go from here. does anyone have any clues? For the docker image, the tables have to be defined in Postfix as regexp: tables. Are they? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 5 months

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