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[MM3-users] Re: Cannot Install Web UI

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/31/25 08:16, dap1--- via Mailman-users wrote: > I don't know where to go from here. I've verified that ports 443 and 8000 are both listening. If they weren't, you wouldn't be getting 404 errors. If you were proxying to a port that wasn't listening you'd get a 503 Service unavailable and if your web server wasn't listening your browser wouldn't be able to connect. To recap, the issue is http://localhost/mailman3 and presumably https://localhost/mailman3 give a 404. What about other urls like https://localhost/mailman3/lists/ https://localhost/archives https://localhost/accounts https://localhost/user-profile And again, is there anything relevant in /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/error.log? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: The MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY was not sent as the Authorization HTTP header.

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/25/21 5:18 AM, Marco Marinello wrote: > Finally have found my issue... Apache automatically removes the header, see https://stackoverflow.com/questions/26549250/apache-strips-down-authorizati… . Hope it can be useful for somebody else! I'm glad you found this, but I'm a bit confused. I run a few servers with apache 2.4 proxying to gunicorn and I don't see the issue. Perhaps this is a uWSGI or mod_wsgi issue. In any case, it can possibly be avoided by setting base_url in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg to something like base_url: https://127.0.0.1:8000/archives or whatever localhost port the WSGI application is listening on to bypass apache. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: list footer web customization procedure

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/16/21 10:35 AM, dancab(a)caltech.edu wrote: > Mark, > > I updated mailman.cfg to point at our shared EFS mount. > > cache_dir: /mnt/var-mailman3/cache > > But I'm still getting reports of this issue. Is there somewhere else I need to set that location? If your layout is other than fhs, I would set var_dir: /mnt/var-mailman3/ For fhs layout, I would ensure that at a minimum, /var/lib/mailman, /var/spool/mailman and /var/lock/mailman are all shared. However for your issue with shared cache, you need to wait 7 days for all the old cache entries to expire or do getUtility(ICacheManager).clear() in `mailman shell` to clear the cache. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Database permission problem?

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/15/24 15:03, Bill Oliver wrote: > > I'll also add that the instructions get a little hazy when you get to > the "Unusual Postfix configuration" part, which is me, with multiple > virtual domains, virtual mailboxes, and use dovecot. > > For instance, it's not clear to me in the "Unusual Postfix > configuration" when you should use > > local_recipient_maps = > hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp ${dovecot} > > versus > > local_recipient_maps = > hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp I don't know anything about postfix configurations for dovecot delivery. I've only used dovecot for sasl authentication. In any case, dovecot delivery should not be involved in delivery to Mailman. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Python backtrace from `mailman -h`

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/24/25 17:03, Peter Chubb via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi Folks, > I'm running the Debian-packaged mailman3 (yes I know ...) > and running: > sudo -u list mailman -h > gives a python backtrace (which I've appended the tail end of). > Can someone who has the upstream installed version (using venv) > please check that `mailman -h` works there before I waste too much time > investigating in the wrong places? Yes, `mailman -h` works and produces the same help output and list of subcommands as `mailman` with no arguments or options. Does it work with no options? Does it work if you do `mailman -C path/to/mailman.cfg -h`? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Confirmation for subscriptions

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/23/19 7:28 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 6/23/19 7:11 PM, andrew.bernard(a)gmail.com wrote: >> I have had some trouble with uwsgi, now resolved. Not that there may be any connection, but now, email requests to join are sent a confirmation mail, but the webui just signs you up with no confirmation despite having the subscription policy set to Confirm, and the right code in the database table underneath. > > > Is this a web subscribe for a logged in user or and "anonymous > subscribe" for a non-logged in user or both? I have done some further investigation. With subscribe policy 'confirm': A person without an account can subscribe to a list anonymously. The person is sent an email requesting confirmation of her address and intent to subscribe. Replying to the email confirms the address and subscribes it. A person can sign up for an account with an email address. This results in an email request to the address with a link to confirm it. Following the link and confirming the address then creates the account with the confirmed address. Subsequently, the user can log in and subscribe to the list without further confirmation because the user has already confirmed the address and has logged in, so further confirmation is not required. If subscribe policy is 'moderate', both of the above cases send the request to the moderator for approval. I think this behavior, particularly allowing a logged in user with a confirmed address to subscribe without further confirmation, is reasonable. Is this what you see, or are you seeing something else. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Emailing a list from the list server

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/1/20 11:56 AM, Mark Dadgar wrote: > On Jun 1, 2020, at 11:45 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >> >> What's in Postfix's mail.log? > > > Jun 1 11:54:55 mail postfix/lmtp[238922]: 1F42613BEB5: to=<test3(a)pdc-racing.net>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.04, delays=0.02/0.01/0/0.02, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) OK. It was delivered to Mailman's LMTP runner which presumably accepted it and queued it because that's the only case in which it returns '250' You could set [logging.smtp] level: debug in mailman.cfg to get more logging, but I think that that will just add confirmation of what we already know, i.e., it was queued in the in queue. So that leaves us with: some error in processing shunting the message. In that case the error would be logged in mailman.log and the message would be in var/queue/shunt. or some rule discarding the message. In that case, there should be a DISCARD: <message-id> entry in mailman.log. If that's the case, we still don't know which rule did the discard and why. One thing you might consider is the possibility that you've missed some message because it was delivered to a local mailbox rather than where you expect it. In my case, msapiro.net has an MX record pointing to my real mail server, but it is also the host name of my development box so mail generated on that box for me winds up in /var/mail/mark instead of being delivered to my real mail server. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Can't post to my own list from HyperKitty

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/7/25 02:30, MegaBrutal via Mailman-users wrote: > On Mon, Apr 7, 2025, 03:04 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> so it is saying there is only one choice for sender which I think means >> there is only one address associated with your login. That still doesn't >> explain why it thinks you're not a list member. >> > > Indeed, it doesn't explain. Are there any maintenance scripts or DB queries > you recommend to run to get to see what's happening under the hood? Not offhand. What is the exact email address that you are logging on to the web UI with. Does it match exactly with the address of a list member or are there mixed-case differences? You might try an interaction like this: ``` mailman-web shell Python 3.12.8 (main, Dec 21 2024, 12:52:28) [GCC 9.4.0] on linux Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. (InteractiveConsole) >>> from django_mailman3.lib.mailman import get_mailman_client >>> client = get_mailman_client() >>> list_id = 'test.example.com' # your actual list_id >>> rest_list = client.get_list(list_id) >>> email = 'user(a)example.com' # your actual email >>> member = rest_list.get_member(email) >>> member This should print something like <Member 'user(a)example.com' on 'test.example.com' with role 'member'> ``` This is exactly what HyperKitty is doing except in your case rest_list.get_member(email) is throwing a ValueError exception instead of returning the member. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

11 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 Docker

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/6/19 6:54 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > If I could run MM3 using the apt-get install method, perhaps that would > have made my life a bit easier, hoping that MM3 can actually be run in > parallel with MM2.1 on the same host. Is anyone doing that already?? Yes. I am on two production and one development machines. See, e.g. <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/> and <https://mail.python.org/mailman3/> One caveat here is I install both Mailman 2.1 and Mailman 3 from source on all these machines. I don't know for example if the Debian/Ubuntu packages play well together. See <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience> for more on how I install MM 3. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Affinity Mailman Is Now Beta

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/18/20 12:44 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > Dear Mailman Admins and Users, > > Affinity Mailman is our new admin interface for Mailman 3 and we intend > to use it to replace Postorius. It has been under development for about > 3 months now and it recently reached beta. Just to be clear, Brian has the full support of the GNU Mailman project in his endeavor to create a new web UI for Mailman 3, but "our" above means Brian and EMWD, not the GNU Mailman project. We of the GNU Mailman project are delighted that Brian is working on an alternative web UI, but we have no plan to abandon Postorius and HyperKitty. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Using external services for deliverability?

by Mark Sapiro

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 7/10/20 8:10 PM, tom(a)gather.coop wrote: > > Makes sense. So given that the opendkim milter > > matches on the From header, am I correct in telling opendkim to sign emails from > > any email address with my domain? > > So my whole SigningTable might be something like > > > > * mail._domainkey.mydomain.com > > > > Yes. Actually, I knew there was more to it than that, but I had forgotten the detail. You can have *(a)mydomain.com mail._domainkey.mydomain.com as your SigningTable entry, but you need to specify SenderHeaders List-Post,Sender,From in your opendkim.conf. This will find the list address in the List-Post header of mail from your lists and that will be list(a)mydomain.com which will match the above SigningTable entry.

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Make archives private by default

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/8/23 06:40, Johannes Rohr wrote: > Dear all, > > in mailman2 there was a setting that ensured that the archives of newly > created lists are by default privat ( > > DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE = 1 > > > Is there something similar in Mailman3? Set [styles] default: private-default in mailman.cfg. There are other effects to this style. namely, in addition to setting archives to private, it also sets the subscription policy to confirm then moderate and sets the list unadvertised. If you want a style that's like ordinary discussion list style except with private archives, but advertised and subscription policy = confirm, you'd need to create a plugin with your own style. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Fwd: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /archives/search

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/28/23 11:48, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Odhiambo Washington writes: > > > from mailman_web.settings.base import * > > from mailman_web.settings.mailman import * > > I think just putting these as close to the top as possible, and > including a comment (or two) saying that this is importing defaults > that can be overridden by any assignment made later in the file is > about as far as we can go for explaining. I've Just updated this. It now says: ``` # Get the default settings. from mailman_web.settings.base import * from mailman_web.settings.mailman import * # Settings below supplement or override the defaults. ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Python is updated

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/29/23 01:44, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 8:25 AM Lars Bjørndal <lars(a)lamasti.net> wrote: > >> So you have settings.py in /opt/mailman/mm rather than in /etc/mailman3? >> > > That's right - based on an earlier installation method before the official > virtualenv > <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst…> > one was put together, and that's why he has that shell file. > For a virtualenv > <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst…> > setup, your settings should live in /etc/mailman3 as stated. If you are interested in background on prior installation methods and their evolution, see https://wiki.list.org/x/17891998 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Subscribing users stuck in pending hell

by Mark Sapiro

On May 24, 2023 9:45:45 AM PDT, Quanah Gibson-Mount <quanah(a)fast-mail.org> wrote: >That shell script seems to have errors: > >>>> pendings = getUtility(IPendings) >>>> for token, data in pendings.find( >... token_owner=TokenOwner.subscriber, >... pend_type='subscription'): >... print("hello") >... >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "<console>", line 3, in <module> > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper > return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) >TypeError: find() got an unexpected keyword argument 'token_owner' Your Mailman core is too old for that script. Tell me your core version and I will try to make one that works for you. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Importing mailman 2 shows member's "Moderation Action" = "Default processing". But new members show = "None". Why

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/29/23 10:45, mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu wrote: > Thanks. Although IMHO I would prefer that the display show the actual action, and adding with a red asterisk to denote that it's the list default. It's a somewhat simple fix, although I've omitted the asterisk, because it's not important to me that it's the list default. Something like: I plan no further changes beyond <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/811>, but if you were to submit a merge request, we'd consider it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius admin/user guide

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/8/24 02:59, Florin Pasăre via Mailman-users wrote: > Hello, > We're trying to update mailman to version 3 from version 2, and I can't > seem to find some non-technical guide for Postorius, something like an > owners manual for all the configurations available in Postorius. > Is there such a thing? No, at this time there is not. All we have at the moment is https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/ which isn't what you're looking for. You just have to page through the settings to see what's there. Hopefully the various categories are clear enough that if you're looking for something specific, you can find it easily. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Issues with Mail delivery after Mailman 3 installation

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/31/26 13:11, Ibiam Chihurumnaya via Mailman-users wrote: > I finished installing mailman3, setup lmtp and smtp for mail delivery and I followed the instructions on the mailman 3 installation page. > > Mail delivery doesn't work and the logs show this; ... > Jan 31 12:53:54 lists postfix/lmtp[4128841]: connect to localhost[::1]:24: Connection refused > Jan 31 12:53:54 lists postfix/lmtp[4128840]: connect to localhost[::1]:24: Connection refused ... Your /etc/hosts file has an IPv6 address for localhost and Postfix isn't listening for IPv6 connects Either set the `localhost` IP in /etc/hosts to IPv4 as 127.0.0.1 localhost or set inet_interfaces = all inet_protocols = all in Postfix main.cf -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 month, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: "Delete this thread" -> 'HTTP-500 -> NoneType' object has no attribute 'all'

by Mark Sapiro

On 05/28/2017 06:07 AM, Simon Liebold via Mailman-users wrote: > Is deleting threads from the archive (via Hyperkitty) currently > supported? I am getting the error indicated above if I click on "Delete > this thread". I just tested this on another list on this server. and both 'delete message' and 'delete thread' worked for me with the latest release Hyperkitty 1.1.0, django_mailman3 1.1.0 and Django-1.10.7. Did you get to the confirmation page and then get the 500 or did the 500 come before getting the confirmation page? Is there a full traceback in mailman_web.log? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 & postfix ... (mail loops back to myself)

by Mark Sapiro

On 01/18/2018 02:25 PM, Dmitry Makovey wrote: > > transport_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp > local_recipient_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp > relay_domains = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains The initial implementation of Mailman's regexp maps for Postfix was broken. This was fixed by <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/merge_requests/323>. The bottom line is if /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp contains entries like /^foo-bounces(a)lists\.my\.com$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^foo-confirm(a)lists\.my\.com$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 these entries (only the -confirm and -bounces, not the others) need to be /^foo-bounces(\+.*)?(a)lists\.my\.com$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^foo-confirm(\+.*)?(a)lists\.my\.com$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 because Postfix recipient_delimiter = + is not effective for regexp tables. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 Docker

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/8/19 10:03 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > Thank you for clarifying. > So once I have a venv created, the services will just run as long as the > startup scripts are running even when I'm logged out of the system? As long as the startup scripts actually reference things in the venv. If you look at the samples in the Recommended Configuration section at <https://wiki.list.org/x/17891998> for /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin (sample) Script to run Django management commands. /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman (sample) Script to run mailman commands. and /opt/mailman/mm/bin/gunicorn (sample) Script to start Gunicorn. You will see they all do things like activate the venv or run a command from venv/bin. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty Recommended mySQL Database Setup & Archive Importing

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/9/20 6:06 PM, matthew(a)alberti.us wrote: > Thanks Mark. Also, just to confirm, should the database connection string > also be updated? In both the core and web configuration, I have something > like: > > DATABASE_URL=mysql+pymysql://mailman:password@database/mailmandb > > Note the trailing UTF-8 encoding stuff isn't there. Should we be specifying > utf8mb4 there as well? In the mailman.cfg database section, you probably want url: mysql+pymysql://myuser:mypassword@mymysqlhost/mailman?charset=utf8mb4&use_unicode=1 I don't know why you would have a DATABASE_URL setting in the web configuration. Exactly where is this? I don't think it would be meaningful in any Django settings. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: archiving problem & updates

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/18/21 10:00 AM, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-users wrote: > Archiving has stopped working. No changes were made to the server. How can I diagnose and troubleshoot this please? Start by looking at Mailman's logs and also see if there are messages to be archived in Mailman's var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ directory. > Are there instructions for how to update mailman3 somewhere? Is there a listing of bug fixes also? There are some instructions at <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/upgrade-3.2.html>. Bug fixes are listed in each project's 'news', e.g., <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.…> for Mailman core and <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/news.html> for HyperKitty. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Disabled by bounce

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/1/23 10:32, Allan Hansen wrote: > Thank you, Mark. > By > > "However, all of the above can be avoided without any DMARC changes by > enabling bounce probes." > > Do you mean that I can get rid of the 'From' mangling, which has been a frequent source of embarrassment because the list address is captured and reused by type-ahead when sending non-list messages and those messages instead going to 1000 subscribers. No. If you enable bounce probes, it will prevent users having delivery disabled and being unsubscribed by bounce if the only bounces are for DMARC policy reasons, but they will still be missing mail if you don't apply DMARC mitigations. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: 120 gmail users removed from lists !

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/24/23 10:04 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: > > Speaking of the new additions in Mailman 3.3.9, does anyone have a list of the domains Google are using which we can add to the list so we can disable the unconditional DMARC mitigations for all list posts? Its probably somewhere obvious on a Gitlab issue or similar, but haven't found it yet. The only domains you need to consider are those of your list members, probably only gmail.com, and maybe googlemail.com. I'm not sure how gmail would treat mail From: user(a)some.other.domain where the MX for some.other.domain is a google server, but that could be potentially any domain. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Detecting abuses (login errors)

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/30/24 03:52, Marc SCHAEFER wrote: > Hello, > > If someone tries to access an account multiple times with a bad password, > is there anything in the Mailman3 web app to report this? > > 1. I didn't see any info about login errors in the logs I have, maybe > I need to enable something? > > 2. is it possible to customize log output so that the proxified > IP address is written in the log? (I use a reverse proxy) > > The idea would be to trigger fail2ban & AbuseIPdb on those. Web logins are handled by django-allauth <https://pypi.org/project/django-allauth/> This is a question for that project. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to run this script (attached) in the mailman shell (or withlist)?

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/5/25 15:18, Wikinaut wrote: > Okay, the mileage was long. > It now works finally. Thank you for your patience. > > How to place the script somewhere else ( outside /opt/mailman/venv/bin ), is this possible to have it in /home/maillistgen for example? It can be anywhere, but it has to be importable by Python which means it needs to be in a directory somewhere in sys.path. You could put it in /home/maillistgen if you `export PYTHONPATH='/home/maillistgen'` before running `mailman shell` The PYTHONPATH environment variable will add that directory to sys.path for subsequent python invocations. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: After moving to a another server, mail footers show only this smart text "Cache content lost"

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/10/25 06:58, Wikinaut wrote: > After moving to a another server, mail footer shows only text "Cache content lost". > > I moved the two databases (mailman3, mailmanweb) to another server, but now my Mailinglist shows this in the footer, uh, what did I forget to move? You copied the database which includes entries for cached templates in the file_cache table but you didn't copy the CACHE_DIR ($var_dir/cache). The easiest thing is probably to just clear the cache. In mailman shell >>> getUtility(ICacheManager).clear() >>> commit() -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman 3 Keeps Forgettings Imported Lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 07/31/2018 12:39 PM, Ryan McClung wrote: > I do see the output of the script and it shows the mailing lists being > created. If you put "${VARIABLE}"@domain.com it outputs correctly. > > Also, to that end, the output of lists changes depending on which directory > I am in which makes 0 sense. That is the problem. Either your mailman.cfg does not specify a fixed directory for var_dir or the mailman command(s) you run do not specify a fixed mailman.cfg. If you look, you will probably see a var/ directory is every directory in which you ran a 'mailman' command and they will all have different databases, etc. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: bouncing mail commands

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/23/19 1:02 PM, Liebeskind Uri (luri) wrote: > Hi all, > > > > when a subscribtion confirmation is sent to MM it replies a bounce mail about unknown commands in the mail. This is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/516>, fixed by <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/merge_requests/422> for messages to the -join (-subscribe), -leave (-unsubscribe), and -confirm addresses. For a message to the -request address with a 'confirm' command in the subject or body, this is trickier because by design, messages to the -request address can contain multiple commands, but this should not be a problem because the confirmation request is From: the -confirm address so the confirming reply should go there and not to the -request address. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to store additional information about lists?

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/20/21 2:28 PM, Andreas Barth wrote: > > Any hints how to do that best? Is it possible to store custom > attributes, or should that be stored elsewhere? Storing custom attributes as part of the MailingList object would require modifying the model in mailman/model/mailinglist.py and probably creating an alembic migration https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/datab…. This would add significant complication to upgrading Mailman core. I think a better approach would be to store custom attributes in a separate database table. Also, you might look at plugins as a way to access your custom attributes via REST without having to modify Mailman core itself. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Getting information to connect mailman to new web host

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/11/22 07:24, tg337--- via Mailman-users wrote: > We moved over to a new platform and now our lists.(domain).org address is not working. I'm trying to find the records I would need to update on the new site to connect them, and not sure how. I'm sorry. I can't give a more definitive response without more information. How was Mailman installed on the prior server? New server? Have you moved the Mailman database(s)? When you say your lists.(domain).org address is not working, do you mean a web address or an email address? What's in logs for this failed address? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Fwd: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /archives/search

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/23/23 02:41, Johannes Rohr wrote: > > I don't understand what the cause for the "permission denied" could be. > The directory "fulltext_index" is owned by mailman:mailman > > Does anyone have a hint? I did some googling for the error, but to no > avail, unfortunately. It's actually trying to create fulltext_index, so clearly it's not looking at the fulltext_index that you are. If you are following https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html you probably need to specify the path in /etc/mailman3/settings.py as in, e.g. ``` HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS['default']['PATH'] = '/opt/mailman/mm/var/fulltext_index' ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3-web language preference and translation settings

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/6/23 06:23, Nils wrote: > Hi, > > I've tested mailman3 and now installed it on productive server. The > customer complains that the translation to German is incomplete on the > productive server while it was complete on the test server. > > I can't find a way to confirm this because I only see the English > frontend of mailman3-web and I don't know how to switch language in the > frontend (I have my OS set to English). You need to run the Django admin command `compilemessages` and perhaps others. See https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#run-database-mi… and the following three sections. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: E-mail every minute: "Cron <www-data@sharky5> ..."

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/7/24 9:16 AM, Robert Heller wrote: > > I'm not using a virtual environment. I'm using all native Debian 12 packages, > installed via apt. The virtual environment docs are actually even worse (even > more confusing). Maybe I'm too smart and experienced? > > Is there some reason NOT to use the native Debian 12 packages? Did the Debian > package manager people waste their time and effort? If you prefer to use the Debian packages, that's fine, but if using the Debian packages, your primary resource for support, documentation, bug reports, etc. should be Debian. See https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty: remove discussions

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/21/20 7:25 PM, Peter Adebahr via Mailman-users wrote: > > Hi *, > > is it possible to remove discussions from the archives? As it were tests > only, removing the complete archive would be ok, too. For the customer, > we would like to start this list with a clean archive :) Current HyperKitty can delete the current thread or message and even the entire list archive if you are logged in as a superuser. Also see <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/261>. And also see <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/3> for a way tyo do this in a django-admin shell, but that doesn't work with MySQL or MariaDB as the database manager because of foreign key constraints. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Also deleted website example.com

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/17/20 4:58 AM, w.schoener(a)alp.dillingen.de wrote: > Hi there, > i also deleted the website example.com, while I tried to configure my mailman 3 site. > Now I get a Server-error, when I try to open my mailman3 sites: "An error occurred while processing your request" > > I tried to fix this problem by changing the SITE_ID=2 in my settings_local.py. > But nothing helped, also the SITE_ID=0 did change nothing. You need to look at the django_site table in your database and find the actual `id` of the site you want. it may be a number > 2 even if there is only one site listed under `sites` in Django Admin. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: User suspended after too much spam

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/6/22 05:55, Eggert Ehmke wrote: > I have set up spamassassin as spamfilter, and it works reasonable so far. Some > spam passes the filter and I try to use it for training. However, one of my > users has a very restrictive spam filter and rejects all spam. This causes > mailman to suspend that user. I have to enable the user each time. > > How can I change that behaviour? I do not want my users to be suspended. Set verp_probes: yes in the [mta] section of mailman.cfg. This situation is exactly what verp probes are designed for. See https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/30/23 11:58, Onyeibo wrote: >> 2. Your MM3 log files - do they say anything? >> > Nothing! No new errors. It is very strange and frustrating Are there files in /opt/mailman/mm/var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/? Do messages received from the list have an Archived-At: header:? Do messages received from the list have a List-Archive: header:? If the first answer is yes, the mailman_hyperkitty archive_message method is failing. If the second answer is no, the mailman_hyperkitty permalink method is failing. If the second answer is no, the mailman_hyperkitty list_url method is failing. All of these failures log errors to the mailman.archiver log which by default is written to mailman.log. If by chance there is an Archived-At: header, what is it? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Help with mailman2 to mailman3 archive migration

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/2/24 01:49, francisco.lopezayuso(a)sib.swiss wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm having some issues with a migration I'm performing right now from our old mailman2 server to a mailman3 one. The mailing lists imports work fine, but the archives seems to work sometimes: This means that some lists archives appear but others are missing when browsing the archives in the web UI. This happens despite the command line telling me that the import went fine. Here are the steps I run for the archives: All of which look fine. Have you set ``` FILTER_VHOSTS = True ``` in your Django settings? If so, does setting it `False` make a difference? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty stuck files

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/9/24 7:05 AM, zoltan(a)circle-interactive.co.uk wrote: > > This is the error in archiver.log > > Jul 09 10:56:12 2024 (47531) HyperKitty archiver processing queued filebase: 1720522497.980487+a88492922feca24ced15594a5ec165561956f3ad > Jul 09 10:56:12 2024 (47531) hyperkitty archiver: sending message <B9E91239-ED71-4CC6-8FFF-3308C5C4DE2E(a)me.com> > Jul 09 10:56:12 2024 (47531) HyperKitty failure on http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/api/mailman/archive: It looks like hyperkitty is throwing an uncaught exception in attempting to archive this message. Try moving 1720522497.980487+a88492922feca24ced15594a5ec165561956f3ad.pck out of the spool/ directory and see if it processes the rest of the messages there. You can examine that message with the `mailman qfile` command. There might also be a traceback in the Django logs that will say more about why HyperKitty is failing. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: List invisible to moderator

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/16/20 3:43 AM, Olaf Zaplinski via Mailman-users wrote: > I just have promoted a member to a moderator. Now when he logs in to > Postorius, he gets the message "There are currently no mailing lists.". > > I have set "Show list on index page" to "no" before. But as a moderator, > the list should be shown, right? I mean, all lists are shown to the > administrator also. > > When I manually enter the complete URL, the moderator can see the list. > I think this is a bug. Moderators should see their lists. What do you > thing? What Postorius version is this? It works for me in Postorius 1.3.3. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: User settings triggers error

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/28/20 5:20 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: > > That gives a slightly different error: > > mark@mail:/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models$ sudo patch < /tmp/patch.txt > patching file email.py > Hunk #1 FAILED at 24. > patch: **** malformed patch at line 23: I don't know about the failure. That probably is due to the version mismatch. The malformation is my fault. There should be an empty line following the last line. You didn't say what your HyperKitty version is, but here's a patch against 1.3.0. If this doesn't work, you could just try patching it by hand. I'm going fishing tomorrow so I won't be here much longer. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: mass subscribers disablement!?

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/26/21 9:39 AM, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-users wrote: > After the first time where users were unsubscribed automatically, I added > back one at a time all the subscribers who were unsubscribed. Now they have > all been unsubscribed again automatically. They are valid working email > addresses. How can I stop this behavior from occurring please? Do you have the bounce processing notifications `Notify owner on disable` and `Notify owner on removal` set to `Yes`. If not, set them. Then, what's in the notices you receive? You might also consider setting `verp_probes: yes` in the `[mta]` section of mailman.cfg. This will avoid some issues with users being disabled/unsubscribed due to list posts being rejected as spam. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 reinstall fail, need some help

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/12/22 08:38, Yvan ♞ wrote: > Yes it's debian and I have root access but it's a more "user friendly" > server release. > I tryed this but it block > https://github.com/YunoHost-Apps/mailman3_ynh/blob/master/README.md > > https://yunohost.org/en/administrate/whatisyunohost > Sincerely I don't read French very well, but your original logs at https://paste.yunohost.org/raw/xiqoyajegi and https://paste.yunohost.org/raw/hujesebita show installation failing because it fails to create /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg. This is either an issue with the Debian package or the YunoHost installer or an incompatibility between them. I would go first to YunoHost for help and then to Debian if necessary. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: How to use the "recipient_delimiter" postfix parameter with Mailman3?

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/12/22 08:54, Pierre Malard via Mailman-users wrote: > Ok, thanks for the documentation. > > But as Mailman uses this functionality for its own processing of emails, if I leave it to be used for another processing, Mailman will no longer work correctly... Please elaborate your concerns. I don't understand. > Ok, that means I'm going to forbid the use of the escape character when processing mailing lists. I don't know if I understand. If you are going to set Mailman's recipient_delimiter to `_`, that means you can't have `_` characters in list names. There should be no other limitations. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Template for Password Reset Email

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/17/24 21:27, Mark wrote: > > It's just the one list that is using French. Others are in English > > I've edited the order of the middleware settings in this file ... > > /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman_web/settings/base.py > > I reordered as below, restarted everything but no joy :-( Your reording is fine. > I'm thinking this is not the file I'm looking for. Apologies for my > cluelessness here. You have done everything correctly. What is missing is the user's browser is not putting `fr` first in the Accept-Language: HTTP header in it's requests. Most browsers have a setting to control this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Documentation errors

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/23/26 09:23, Paul Tomblin via Mailman-users wrote: > On the documentation about migration at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html, there are two commands that start `python manage.py hyper kitty_import|update_index_on_list`, but there is no manage.py installed if you install Mailman and Mailman web following the instructions. Instead, I was able to run them using `mailman-web hyperkitty_import|update_index_one_list` instead. This is covered in the Note at <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/#the-mailman-suite>. > What is the correct method for reporting these errors? Issues with the docs should be reported for the appropriate GitLab project. The project for <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/> is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite-doc>. However, this particular issue is known and addressed as above. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 weeks, 5 days

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 Docker question and importing lists from MM2

by Mark Sapiro

On 09/01/2017 07:09 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: > > I had a question regarding the parameter: SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN. > > I want to use multiple domains, what is the best way to specify multiple domains in this environment variable? I don't know the answer to this. > Furthermore, is there a recommended way to get data from MM2 (list configs and archives) into MM3? There are two things. For importing list configs there is bin/mailman import21 but it is not up to date and probably doesn't work. For importing archives there is django-admin hyperkitty_import [--settings=if.needed] which works well using the MM 2.1 LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox file as input. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Xapian alternatives

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/23/20 5:02 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > Are there alternative search engines to Xapian that can be used for Mailman 3? > > I have come to understand that Xapian development stalled in the v2.0 attempt. The 1.4 branch seems actively maintained. The latest release is 1.4.15, released on 2020-02-24. The installation that supports this list and also the installation that supports the MM 3 lists at mail.python.org as well as my own production server all currently use Xapian. They all started with Whoosh, but indexing was very slow. We then went to elasticsearch which is faster, but required some patching and requires a separate elasticsearch daemon. We are now using Xapian which is the fastest of the three and works well. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: automation of mailman3 core startup

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/27/20 7:41 AM, Ralf Wiegand wrote: > |Question: The above assumes that the user mailman will run the mailman3 > core application. So the user "mailman" has all the correct > permissions. The issue I have is to automate this part, so at start up > mailman3 will be running, at shutdown, being shutdown properly. There is a sample systemd script at <https://wiki.list.org /DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=systemd_mailman.txt> and a sample init script at <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience?action=At…> Both of these refer to /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman a sample of which is at <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience?action=At…> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Does mailman2 regular_exclude_list equal mailman3 receive_list_copy ?

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/4/20 8:37 AM, sunil soprey wrote: > Question: Reduce cross-posting to multiple lists (either BCC: or To: or CC:) > > Use-case: User sends email ( to: their email) and ( bcc: list1, list2 ) The sender-user and target-user1 (and target-userX) have receive_list_copy = False, and receive_own = True > > Issue: For mailman 3.3.1, a user receives their email from To:, however target receipients receive multiple copies of the emails. > This is different from mailman2 with the regular_exclude_list. That's correct. Mailman 3 does not (yet?) have a feature comparable to Mailman 2.1's regular_exclude_lists and regular_include_lists. People who are members of multiple cross-posted lists will receive a copy from each list. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: I don't get my posts with Gmail

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/16/20 6:58 AM, blackout69 wrote: > Hello everybody, > I noticed that if I use a Gmail account to write to a Mailman3 list, the > list receives my post and hyperkitty also archives the post, but I don't > receive my own post. I have read that it is Gmail's will to > automatically discard my post. Is there any way around this insane choice? The short answer is No. This is a Gmail/Googlemail issue. People have complained to Google and they have refused to change. People have tried setting filters and this too is unsuccessful. Our FAQ on this is at <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030680>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: problems installing mailman3 under gentoo and upgrading mailman2 to mailman3

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/13/21 11:14 AM, John Covici wrote: > > Now one thing came up while trying to create the database, I got a > traceback complaining about a revision error because gentoo had a > slightly different version (3.3.2) instead of 3.3.3 using pip. When I > upgrade mailman, am I going to have to do something to the database as > well and why should the database have some kind of reference to the > mailman version? I don't know why this is an issue. You shouldn't need to do anything with the database when you upgrade. Please post the full traceback and error message. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: Can "Pre Verified" set to yes by default?

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/19/22 00:21, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > I don't know if there's a way to do this in settings.py, but I > suspect not. Maybe Mark knows a way. Well, I haven't tried this and I don't recommend it, but while the intent of settings.py is to assign values to various known attributes, it is a Python module which is imported and could contain any valid Python code including code to read, modify and rewrite .../site-packages/postorius/forms/list_forms.py. However, my recommendation is to maintain your local patches in a script that you can run following an update to apply them. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: "this held message has been lost"

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/9/25 13:34, My Self via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi > > I've upgraded mailman to the latest packages, and suddenly I'm experiencing the same. > It's running on python 3.12 because an issue with nntplib > > There is no race condition, because I'm the only moderator. And I'm not seeing how it can be cross-posted. > It's not immediately, it happens after a while. What `latest` packages? Prior to Mailman 3.3.10 there was a bug in the task runner that could do this. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1162 (tl;dr skip to https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1162#note_2113461048) and https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1212. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Block members from sending cc's and bcc's

by Mark Sapiro

> > Please confirm that setting up a rule for cc's in Header Filter to "hold for moderation," it should block the member from sending a cc? It will hold for moderation any message containing a Cc: header. It won't prevent the moderator from accepting the message. > And, for the pattern, are you suggesting I use ".*" with cc: as the regexprs? Or, what exactly do I use under as a regular expression? Use cc as the header and the two characters .* as the pattern (or whatever affinity calls it). See https://docs.python.org/3/library/re.html for information about Python regular expressions. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Update a member's display_name

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/16/19 7:24 AM, Nick Wynja wrote: > I believe I figured it out. > > I was updating `user.display_name` when the name I was seeing in Postorius was `user.addresses[0].display_name`. > > Here are all of the steps for anyone looking to solve the same thing: If you are using mailman shell, the next 2 are not necessary > from mailman.interfaces.usermanager import IUserManager > from zope.component import getUtility IUserManager and getUtility are already in the namespace created when mailman shell starts. And this one > from mailman.testing.documentation import dump_list isn't needed here. > user_manager = getUtility(IUserManager) > > u = user_manager.get_user('aperson(a)example.com') > u.addresses[0].display_name = "Anne" > commit() -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Python is updated

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/27/23 11:42 AM, Lars Bjørndal wrote: > After I've installed the venv and packages again, I get the following error when running the mailman command from within the venv: > > SystemError: initialization of _psycopg raised unreported exception > > How do I fix that? The first issue arises because the venv/bin/ directory contains only symlinks to a system python3, and either they broke upon the upgrade or they pointed to what is now Python 3.11 and there was some incompatibility between that python and modules in the venv. Did you install psycopg2-binary as discussed at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#installing-mail… Is the error logged in var/logs/mailman.log? If so, what's the traceback? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty href url to css cache files is not correct

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/5/23 12:47, Alexander Maier wrote: > Hello Mark, > > BASE_DIR = '/home/pocovobe/var/' > STATIC_ROOT = '/home/pocovobe/webserver/static' > STATIC_URL = '/static/' > STATICFILES__DIRS = empty > STATICFILES_FINDERS = ( > 'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.FileSystemFinder', > 'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.AppDirectoriesFinder', > #'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.DefaultStorageFinder', > 'compressor.finders.CompressorFinder', > ) OK. You now should have ALIAS /static/ /home/pocovobe/webserver/static/ in your web server config (or whatever the equivalent directive is for your web server if not apache. and you should run the django admin commands `collectstatic --clear --noinput` `compress` and if they haven't been run recently `compilemessages` `migrate` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Using clean_users.py

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/5/25 6:13 PM, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > I have run clean_users.py with: > DELETE_MAILMAN_USER = True > DELETE_DJANGO_IF_MAILMAN = True > > However, when I go to > https://mm3-site/mm/lists/listname.mm3-site/members/nonmember/ I still have > hundreds of users listed despite the script having run and it showed > hundreds of addresses removed. > What might be the issue? I expect to NOT find anything listed as nonmembers. That's expected. That script does not remove anything for a user that has any list memberships with any role. It could be modified to remove the Django and Mailman users whose only memberships are with role nonmember. That modification is left as an exercise for the reader. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Bounce processing HTML

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/24/25 10:25 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > Do you have a copy of such a bounce message? If you're getting them > consistently, you can set the forward_unrecognized_bounces_to option > in the Bounce Processing group for the list settings. I really would like to see one of these bounce messages, however from the OP, forward_unrecognized_bounces_to won't do it as the bounce was somehow recognized as a DSN albeit with strange addresses resulting in the Bounce message for a non subscriber log messages. I'm guessing, but I think maybe some spam was sent to the list-bounces address and it contained something matching one of the heuristic recognizers <https://gitlab.com/warsaw/flufl.bounce/-/tree/master/flufl/bounce/_detectors>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: list of subscribers

by Mark Sapiro

On 02/04/2018 10:31 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 02/04/2018 11:37 AM (UTC -0800), Peter Münster wrote: > >> Off topic: I have "Receive own postings = Yes", but I don't receive >> copies of my postings to this list... > > > We tried to send your copy of your post to you, but your MTA called it spam. > > Feb 4 19:38:09 mailman postfix/smtp[29085]: 89D4C8031E: > to=<pmlists(a)free.fr>, relay=mx1.free.fr[212.27.48.7]:25, delay=1.3, > delays=0.04/0/0.81/0.41, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host > mx1.free.fr[212.27.48.7] said: 550 spam detected (in reply to end of > DATA command)) > > (time stamp is UTC -0000) > > I suspect it doesn't like the fact that it's From: you but not sent by > your server. It looks like you bounce all your own posts select email, timestamp from bounceevent where email = 'pmlists(a)free.fr'; email | timestamp -----------------+---------------------------- pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-25 21:43:28.881213 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-25 23:08:27.943445 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-26 08:10:54.681684 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-26 08:36:54.613672 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-26 10:20:43.226199 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-26 12:13:49.488949 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-28 16:32:49.927769 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-28 20:15:21.073091 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-28 20:27:59.060866 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-28 21:23:54.176886 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-29 17:16:42.710431 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-30 08:17:39.112296 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-31 07:39:00.954735 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-31 08:41:45.46342 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-31 11:00:29.281051 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-31 19:58:17.341603 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-31 20:09:41.194564 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-31 20:59:58.868911 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-02-02 21:24:44.263614 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-02-02 22:51:04.674311 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-02-04 12:45:33.179401 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-02-04 19:38:10.224125 (22 rows) -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Edit archived email? Is it possible?

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/7/21 6:31 AM, Prasanth Nair wrote: > Hi Mark, > > As you know, we can edit the individual messages using the message_id_hash. > Is there any possibility that we can edit the original message > which then updates all of the threads it has (for example, if someone > already replied to the original message)? Or do we need to edit each > message manually? You need to edit each message. A reply which quotes some or all of another message contains that quoted text as opposed to some reference to the text in the original message. Thus, editing the text in the original message has no effect on quoted text in the reply. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman issues after re-boot

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/29/23 08:52, paulrubin37(a)gmail.com wrote: > Does this make any sense to you? > > ERROR: Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement flufl.bounce (from versions: none) > ERROR: No matching distribution found for flufl.bounce was that in response to ``` pip install -U --force-reinstall flufl.bounce flufl.i18n flufl.lock ``` If so, I don't understand. https://pypi.org/project/flufl.bounce/ https://pypi.org/project/flufl.i18n/ and https://pypi.org/project/flufl.lock/ all exist. However, I now suspect the issue is somewhat different. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1085#note_1442207929 although that refers to $VENV_ROOT/lib/$PYVERSION/site-packages/mailman-3.3.8.egg-info/requires.txt and in your case, that might instead be $VENV_ROOT/lib/$PYVERSION/site-packages/mailman-3.3.8.dist-info/METADATA -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Removing Moderators

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/20/24 1:27 PM, steve.bachinsky(a)tena-sda.org wrote: > > If I know the moderator's email address, is there a way to do this in a python function? Something like ``` import os import sys from mailman.core import initialize from mailman.database.transaction import transaction from mailman.interfaces.listmanager import IListManager from zope.component import getUtility os.environ['MAILMAN_CONFIG_FILE'] = '/path/to/mailman.cfg' initialize.initialize() def delete_moderator(list_id, email): mlist = getUtility(IListManager).get_by_list_id(list_id) if not mlist: print(f'No such list {list_id}', file = sys.stderr) sys.exit(1) with transaction(): moderator = mlist.moderators.get_member(email) if moderator: moderator.unsubscribe() else: print(f'No such moderator {email}', file = sys.stderr) sys.exit(1) if __name__ == '__main__': delete_moderator('list.example.comg', 'user(a)example.com') ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: External MTA incoming mail: configuration

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/2/24 08:12, Roland Giesler via Mailman-users wrote: > > It seems though that since I'm not running a local MTA, when then mail > arrives at the mailman3 server, there's nothing that can process it. So > should I run postfix in it's most basic setup to allow mail to be > received or what is the best way to deal with it? Mailman3 has to > receive mail like signup confirmations, etc after all, not? If you use transport_maps on the remote MTA to relay the list mail to port 8024 on the Mailman server, Mailman's LMTP runner will receive the mail and you don't need a local MTA. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: digests are created but not sent out

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/9/19 12:53 PM, "Jörg M. Schulz" wrote: > To make it work, I have to comment out like this: > > Also only commenting out the .de section doesn’t help > > > # The default language for this server. > default_language: en > # [language.en] > # charset: utf-8 > # enabled: yes > > # [language.de] > # description: German > # charset: iso-8859-1 > # enabled: yes First, everything there should be a default, at least upstream, with the one exception of [language.en] charset: utf-8 I confess, I don't understand this, but please see <https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344>, and if you want to pursue it, report the issue to Debian. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 command line issue: NameError: name 'cli' is not defined when executing command=cli

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/13/20 7:10 AM, John W wrote: > Hi, I am following the guide here: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/docs/create.h… > and am falling at the first hurdle. > > command = cli('mailman.commands.cli_lists.create') > NameError: name 'cli' is not defined. In order to run the doctest snippets, you need to import the helpers. See <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/docum…>. However, If all you want to do is create a list just run the `mailman create` command directly instead of trying to run the snippets in `mailman shell`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: New releases

by Danil Smirnov

The issue has confirmed by other users: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/issues/382 вт, 9 июн. 2020 г., 20:49 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > On 6/9/20 10:31 AM, Danil Smirnov wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Jun 2020 at 20:23, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > >>> COMPRESS_OFFLINE = True > >>> COMPRESS_ENABLED = True > >> > > > > These two are commented out. > > > Then compress shouldn't be trying to do anything. I can't explain what's > going on. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problems after Upgrade

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/30/22 17:37, Jeff Steele wrote: > Thanks Mark, > > I was able to fix this problem easily by modifying: > > mailman3/lib/python3.8/site-packages/compressor/management/commands/compress.py > > to change the line: > > Command.requires_system_checks = None > > to > > Command.requires_system_checks = [] > > Now, bin/mailman-web compress runs but outputs: > > CommandError: Compressor is disabled. Set the COMPRESS_ENABLED setting or use --force to override. > > which I guess is fine. If you want to do off line compression which is a good thing, you need to set ``` COMPRESS_ENABLED = True ``` in your Django settings. I recently added this and also a note about CSRF_TRUSTED_ORIGINS to https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#initial-configu… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman web interface / uwsgi

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/27/22 00:19, Jan Eden via Mailman-users wrote: > > I see. But the mailman.cfg is placed in /etc/mailman3, and this file > also belongs to the core, doesn't it? In any case, I changed the > configuration parameter for [archiver.hyperkitty] as you suggested and > all settings are in one place now. In that case, it's probably just an oversight. The instructions at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html are an evolution of a process that started with an obsolete mailman-bundler package, the initial iterations of which are documented at https://wiki.list.org/x/17891998 and prior revisions of that page. https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html is still a work in progress. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: using SSH/TLS with external MTA

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/27/24 13:05, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > > ASMTP works on the premise of "we can relay mail for you if we can > authenticate you with certain credentials" > Adding the IP to "hosts we can relay mail for" negates the need to > authenticate, IMHO. > So I am still waiting for how MM3 does ASMTP. Does it? If by ASMTP, you mean SMTP AUTH, Mailman does it if smtp_user: and smtp_pass: are provided in mailman.cfg. I agree that an authenticated user should be able to submit mail to be relayed. Just guessing here, but perhaps the issue is the OP is submitting to the deprecated port 465 instead of 587. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating from old V2 server to new V3 server. Questions.

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/30/24 12:15, jkoral(a)luc.edu wrote: > We have figured out how to migrate from one server to another, but after removing the list from the old server, the e-mails are still trying to go there. Is there something that needs to be done in mailman so that the e-mail list will hit the new server instead? Does it just take time? This is a DNS issue. You need to update the MX and/or A records for the domain to point to the new server. After that is done, it still takes time for those changes to propagate depending on the TTL of the original records. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Add an extra option for "Delivery status" for users?

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/19/25 12:50 PM, Thomas Ward via Mailman-users wrote: > > We have a unique case where we have a user we want to disable for mail > receiving, etc. for the reason "Disabled by IT Security Team" but I > don't even know if it's possible to add a delivery status that is that > custom. At a minimum, you would need to add that choice to the DeliveryStatus(Enum) in mailman/interfaces/member.py and the choice and its description to the DELIVERY_STATUS_CHOICES tuples in postorius/forms/fields.py. I don't know offhand if that would be sufficient, or if more would be required. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Auth question

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/3/19 11:00 AM, kelly.close(a)lrewater.com wrote: > Hi David, > > Did you ever find a resolution to these Authorization errors? I'm experiencing the same problem in a new setup. Would love to know if you figured it out! The code that produces that error is: if request.GET.get("key") != settings.MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY: return HttpResponse( """<html><title>Auth required</title><body> <h1>Authorization Required</h1></body></html>""", content_type="text/html", status=401) I.e., the key in the request which comes from the [general] api_key: setting doesn't match the key set as MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY. Do you have quotes around the api_key setting? That would be a mistake. See <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: What is the recommended format for mailbox interchange as files?

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/21/19 10:05 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > > This issue could very well go in an FAQ for mailman. Can I add a topic > somehow? Many others will hit the same problem. There is a FAQ article at <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030689>. If you wish to edit that or create a new article, see the first paragraph at <https://wiki.list.org/> about obtaining write permission. There is also some documentation of hyperkitty_import at <https://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/install.html#importing-the-curr…>, the source for which is at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/blob/master/doc/database.rst>. You could create a merge request to update that. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Migration from 2.1 to 3

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/3/20 7:55 AM, brunol(a)agro.uba.ar wrote: > I've found something, the imported list preferred language is Spanish (es), changing it to 'en' : ... > seems to fix everything, as soon as i hit ctrl+d the messages are delivered properly. > > Even when i set it to french which has the same charset as spanish it works as expected. Any ideas why? Actually, since Mailman 3.2.1, the default charset for 'fr' is utf-8, not iso-8859-1, although I don't offhand understand why the language would affect this even if the encoding is different. In any case, at this level the message should be pure ascii with any non-ascii having been base64 or quoted_printable encoded. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman web Stopped working after upgrade

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/3/20 12:33 PM, David Krantz wrote: > > I think that this might be due to some kind of python misfeature where > compiled code behaves slightly differently to interpreted code, that > might explain the delay in it working initially before breaking. I > have no idea of how to solve this. I have tried to uninstall and > reinstlall psycopg2 in different versions without any luck. You need to activate your virtualenv and do pip install psycopg2-binary it must be psycopg2-binary, not just psycopg2. It's probably best to do pip uninstall psycopg2 first. As far as it working for a while, did you restart your wsgi service (gunicorn, uwsgi, ??) after upgrading? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: migration plan and auto responder

by Mohsen Masoudfar

Thank you so much Mark! It worked perfectly. Mohsen -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 6:21 PM To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Re: migration plan and auto responder [EXTERNAL EMAIL] On 7/21/20 3:13 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > You probably also want to set Privacy options... -> Sender filters -> > member_moderation_action to Discard and on Membership Management... -> > Membership List under Additional Member Tasks, set everyone moderated. I answered a bit too quickly. Just s/probably/definitely/ in the above. This works because the autoresponses are sent before the moderation checks. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: [SOLVED] Re: Re: Newbie question 2: Rewriting issue for bounced emails

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/27/21 4:05 PM, William Oliver wrote: > > Again, a quick DuckDuckGo search reveals that this has come up a couple > of times. It required that I modify /etc/postfix/main.cf to add the > non-localhost ip4 address of the box to the mynetworks line: > > mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 10.0.0.0/24 > > to > > mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 10.0.0.0/24 2.56.57.28 > > > I assume that means that postfix uses localhost for regular mail, but > mailman3 uses the 2.56.57.28 address. Because you set smtp_host: mail.libertyfp.org in mailman.cfg. If you leave the default settings smtp_host: localhost smtp_port: 25 you won't have this issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderate first postings of new members

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/3/22 13:39, peter(a)chubb.wattle.id.au wrote: > > If you've set the default processing to 'hold for moderation' won't > this just continue to moderate the member? Ive been selecting 'Accept > immediately' in the dialog. "Default action to take when a member posts to the list" will only continue to be applied to the member if you select "List default". The difference between "Default processing" and "Accept Immediately" is "Default processing" passes the moderation check but continues to check other rules which are header-match, administrivia, implicit-dest, max-recipients, max-size, news-moderation, no-subject, digests and suspicious-header. "Accept immediately" bypasses all those additional checks. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Maximum recipients in an email.

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/12/24 02:14, via Mailman-users wrote: > Hello, > > where can I configure the maximum recipients in an email in mailman3? > > In my postfix configuration is set a limit "smtpd_recipient_limit = 200" and in the mailman3 smtp.log i will get a error message like "failed with code 452, b'4.5.3 Error: too many recipients'". Mailman3 repeats the delivery for these addresses, but i would like to configure correctly. The delivery of mails is then faster. This is the `max_recipients` setting in the `[mta]` section of mailman.cfg. Prior to 3.3.9 it defaulted to 500, but currently it defaults to 10 as a fix for https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1083 which is a slightly different issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Customize subjects

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/16/25 1:42 AM, johannes.wolf--- via Mailman-users wrote: > The lists preferred language is already German and I also set this language as default in the Mailman Settings but without any success. > When I register for the list I still get the English subject in my customised confirmation email template: "Your confirmation is needed to join the placeholder(a)placeholder.com mailing list." > Any further ideas? As Odhiambo confirms, it should work. You have said 'Our instance runs on a virtualised Debian server.' Does this mean you've installed the Debian Mailman package? If so, this may be a Debian issue and should be reported to Debian. If not, what is your Mailman core version and how was it installed? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Use own mail server

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/26/25 11:54 AM, johannes.wolf--- via Mailman-users wrote: > > I am referring to the emails confirming the subscription or the approval notification to the list administrator. These emails are generated during the respective actions, but when I look at the log on my mail server, some of the emails only have a sender but no recipient. I don't know any circumstance where Mailman would send a message with no recipients. What are the actual log messages in the Postfix log? Also, what's in Mailman's smtp.log? > Shouldn't the Postfix service on the Mailman server simply forward the email to the “external” mail server for sending? That's up to your Postfix configuration. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Clearing webserver cache - Nginx

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/6/24 14:27, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > Is this with only one browser? It's a long shot, but clearing browser > cache might work. Actually, I see the same issues from my browsers, so it's not a browser caching issue. The only thing left is nginx caching, but, while I know very little about nginx, I think it doesn't cache by default and I don't see where in your posted config it's enabled. Perhaps there's more in your config that you didn't post. If there is a proxy_cache_path directive in your config try find /the/proxy/cache/path -type f -delete to clear the cache. As a last resort, your /opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/ directory should contain a css/ directory with 3 files and a js directory containing one file and a manifest.json file with a template for the `link` directives referencing those files. The js/ directory is easy as its only one file, so your server is looking for /static/CACHE/js/output.3aaa7705d68a.js and you could create a symlink in the js/ directory from output.3aaa7705d68a.js to the actual file. For the css directory, your server is looking for output.158acc288604.css and output.6dab123e4897.css, and I don't see the third file in the logs you posted, but if I go to pages in your archive that I see as unstyled and look at the stylesheet references, they are to output.44ea6c55e917.css, output.e68c4908b3de.css and output.9efeb5f3d52b.css so you could just symlink those to the actual files, it doesn't matter which as all three are loaded on each page. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Message shows up individually but not in the thread

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/04/2017 01:19 AM, Marvin Gülker wrote: > Am 03. November 2017 um 12:35 Uhr -0700 schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: >> Are you running all of Django's periodic tasks? > > They are running. This is the excerpt from /etc/crontab: ... > Obviously, mailman-suite is installed at /home/mailman/mailman-suite and > owned by user 'mailman', with the actual Django project in the > subdirectory 'mailman-suite_project', just as cloned from the Git > repository. The only difference from the official guide here is that I > took the liberty to place Mailman into two virtualenvs (a Python2 one > for the Django project, and a Python3 one for Mailman-Core*). > > There are no errors reported with this in /var/log/cron.log. And before > you ask, the task queue is running as well. The uWSGI config has this: > > # Setup the django_q related worker processes. > attach-daemon = ./manage.py qcluster > > And the qcluster process shows both up in the process list and is > happily logging away in the uWSGI log. There is a possibly related issues at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/151> and some older ones at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/131> and <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/149>. I'm sorry I can't offer more help than that at this point. > * It'd be great if the mailman-suite was moved to Python 3 at some > point. That way one wouldn't need two separate virtualenvs. We're working on moving Postorius and HyperKitty to MM 3. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Confirm on mass subscription

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/5/17 1:48 PM, David Krantz wrote: > > Is there a way of requiring all mass subscribed users to confirm their > email adress? I have an use case where we have a current mail list but > when moving it to mailman I for different reasons would like to > confirm all subscribers. Some very shallow testing suggests that if I > just add them using mass subscribe, they will not have to confirm at > all. > > I have yet to upgrade to 3.1 but I will do so in due time. In MM 2.1, you just send the users invitations rather than subscribing them. In MM3/Postorius, this does not seem to be an option at present. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Apache Conf

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/19/18 10:29 AM, Guiseppin Thomas wrote: > Hi, > Currently, I use a nginx configuration for mailman. It's work perfectly. > > I tried to do the same with Apache, but the statics files are not > delivered (404). ... > <VirtualHost *:80> > ServerName mailing.ddd.fr > > ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/mailing.error.log > CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/mailing.access.log combined > > <Location /static/> > Alias "/opt/mailman/static/" > </Location> > > <Location /> > ProxyPass http://localhost:8000/ > ProxyPassReverse http://localhost:8000/ > ProxyPreserveHost On > </Location> > </VirtualHost>/ In Apache, location <http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/core.html#location> is not appropriate for resources in the file system. Try Alias /static/ /opt/mailman/static/ not within a location block. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: How can I allow members of list A to post to List B and vice versa

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/19/20 3:51 AM, mario.mailman3(a)frese.online wrote: > > The best option I would like to have is to enter the name of List A in the non-members of List B an vice versa. All those nonmembers should not need to be moderated. > How can I manage this? I would be very glad for your ideas. This is a feature in Mailman 2.1 but is not yet available in Mailman 3. There is currently no good solution for Mailman 3 that I am aware of. I've opened <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/794> for this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem updating mailman

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/23/21 2:56 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > I am getting this error after I did a git pull and build. > > (venv) [mailman3@gw ~/git]$ /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman-post-update > + '[' False == False ']' > + mkdir -p /opt/mailman/mm/static > + /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin collectstatic --clear --noinput > --verbosity 0 > +* /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin compress* > CommandError: An error occurred during rendering > /opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/HyperKitty-1.3.4rc2-py3.7.egg/hyperkitty/templates/hyperkitty/404.html: > /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/rubygems/dependency.rb:311:in `to_specs': > Could not find 'sass-listen' (~> 4.0.0) among 4 total gem(s) ... Ruby-sass is no longer supported. Please see the Sass compiler section at <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#dependencies>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 generates long lines?

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/22/21 11:46 PM, peter(a)chubb.wattle.id.au wrote: > > I'm seeing emails being dropped when mm3 talks to the local smtp > server, with log errors like: > > 2021-06-23 15:42:24 1lvvea-007r8u-VN H=localhost (<FQDN>) [::1] > F=<announce-bounces@<FQDN>> rejected after DATA: maximum allowed line length is 998 octets, got 1036 > > The email itself did not have such long lines AFAICT. We would need to see the email itself in order to begin to understand if this is a Mailman issue or some issue withe the mail as received by Mailman. Assuming the prototype archiver is enabled, you should be able to find the messages in Mailman's var/archives/prototype/LIST/new/ directory. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Localization of auto-responses, question marks in welcome message

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/25/22 02:52, Claus-Justus Heine via Mailman-users wrote: > > I have installed custom templates using the REST API and pointing MM3 to > some download URIs. So MM3 has custom templates for particular lists, > but I did not yet install different templates for different languages. > Still I would also prefer that MM3 would assume that all template text > are UTF-8, independent from the language. I think in this case the issue is not in the retrieval of the template text, but rather in the representation of the resultant message in the character set of the lists preferred language, us-ascii for 'en' in this case. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Trouble in Debian11 after import mailman2 archive

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/25/22 03:21, qro(a)xs4all.nl wrote: > > Question: > Where do I have to look/make changes so I can import the old archive and > can send email to it? You are not looking at the relevant logs. In the first case, mail is delivered to Mailman, but then something happens to it before it is archived and delivered. Look in /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log and wherever Mailman's qfiles are in the Debian install. Assuming the message is not held for moderation, rejected or discarded due to list settings, it is probably queued in Mailman's `shunt` queue, and if so, there will be an exception and traceback logged in mailman.log. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 does not receive gmail-Members!

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/24/23 1:58 PM, Paul Brenner wrote: > Hallo > I need help! > My MM3 sends mails via a list. However, no mails arrive at all gmail > recipients. > These mails also do not end up in the spam or junk folders. > What do I have to do? If you have access to the outgoing MTA logs, what do they show about mail to these gmail recipients? Without access to these logs, you can set Process Bounces and Notify owner on bounce increment both to Yes in Postorius -> Bounce Processing and you should receive notices when mail is reported as undeliverable. These notices or the log entries should give a reason for non-delivery. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman addmember/syncmember commands print undecoded UTF-8 [ADD] or [DEL] mail addresses in its messages like "[ADD] =?utf-8?q?John_=....."

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/5/25 02:50, Wikinaut wrote: > My post here is merely about the information output when running mailman addmembers/syncmembers where I discovered strange looking lines. > > I noticed that addmember and syncmember output looks like > > [ADD] =?utf-8?q?John_=28Foo=29_Doe_=5Bcomment1=5D_=5Bcomment2=5D?= <john.foo.doe(a)example.com> > > whereas the entries in the Web-GUI look fine. > I triple-checked the textfile from which the names stem from, yes, the file is UTF8. What was the exact line in the textfile for this address? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Try to Implement Template for The message sent to subscribers when a subscription confirmation is required

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/16/26 18:37, msok--- via Mailman-users wrote: > -The URL syntax > https://mailman.example.com/mailman3/lists/list-id/confirm/?token=$token > > -The error message when tried to add subscriber > HTTP Error 400: HTTPSConnectionPool(host='localhost', port=443): Max retries exceeded with url: /postorius/api/templates/list/list-id/list:user:action:subscribe (Caused by SSLError(SSLCertVerificationError(1, '[SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed: unable to get local issuer certificate (_ssl.c:1029)'))) What is your setting for POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL? How is your Mailman installed? Did you follow <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html>, install packages or install some other way? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Importing mbox files into hyperkitty since date

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/20/19 3:08 AM, andrew.bernard(a)gmail.com wrote: > Well, reading the hyperkitty command source code, looks like it uses dateutil.parser, which shoudl read pretty much any date format (?). > > This is what happens: > > $ django-admin hyperkitty_import -v 2 -l jackrail(a)list.jackrail.org --since "2010-01-01 00:00Z" /tmp/jackrail(a)list.jackrail.org-2019-07.mbox > > CommandError: No such file: 00:00Z This appears to be a bug in Django's BaseCommand class which somehow separates '--since "2010-01-01 00:00Z"' into '--since 2010-01-01' and '00:00Z' despite the quotes. As a workaround, you can use '--since "2010-01-01/00:00Z"' which doesn't contain the problematic whitespace and which is acceptable to dateutil.parser.parse(). -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman import21

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/11/20 7:41 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > Does the import21 script also import custom templates? No. > Are these custom > templates contained in the config.pck file? No. They are in the same MM 2.1 directory as the config.pck, but in a sub-directory for the language code, i.e. lists/LISTNAME/LC/ > Are there any known issues > with the importing of mm2 templates into a mm3 environment? The replacements are different. i.e., things like %(email)s and %(listname)s become $user_email and $short_listname. Also, there are some MM 2.1 templates that have no MM 3 equivalent. Also, things like message and digest headers and footers that are MM 2.1 list attributes that are templates in MM 3, although import21 tries to handle those. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Question about "envelope-from" header

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/12/23 10:45 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Stephen Daniel writes: > > > Will bounce processing still work? > > I think so. Pretty sure bounce processing on the bouncing side > doesn't care who the envelope sender is, it is based on the RFC 822 > sender, which is the Sender header field if set and the From field if > Sender is not present. Actually, I think all modern MTAs will return DSNs (bounces) to the envelope sender (MAIL FROM address)[1] which for list mail is the, possibly VERPed, listname-bounces address. If this is altered to a different address, bounce processing won't work. [1] See https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5321.html#section-4.4 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Timeout error on anonymous subscribe

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/23/24 13:23, Gerald Vogt wrote: > > I don't quite understand the relevance of the user accessing the > localhost tcp port. Any local user can do that. I am trying to duplicate what Mailman does in an attempt to find the issue. > I can access the template content with > > curl > http://localhost:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/community.lists.example.c… > > as well as > > curl > http://lists.example.org/mailman3/api/templates/list/community.lists.exampl… > > as any user on the mailman server. How about ``` curl -A 'python-requests/2.32.3' http://lists.example.org/mailman3/api/templates/list/community.lists.exampl… ``` as the Mailman user? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Python 3.13 compatibility

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/23/25 14:08, peter--- via Mailman-users wrote: > > Hi Folks, > I'm running the Debian-packaged mailman3 (version 3.8) which is a > little behind the current 3.9 release ... > Debian is now shipping Python 3.13 in 'sid'. > > https://docs.python.org/3/whatsnew/3.13.html#id4 > says: > Remove the ability to use Path objects as context > managers. This functionality was deprecated and has had no > effect since Python 3.9. (Contributed by Barney Gale in > gh-83863.) > > As a result, I'm hitting tracebacks from many operations where > pathlib.Path objects are used as context managers, like this one: This is https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1190 fixed for Mailman 3.3.11 by https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1309 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: user self registration

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/7/25 07:46, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-users wrote: > Spammers have been registering and not subscribing. I want to turn off the > user self registration at https://lists.ccalternatives.org/mailman3/ . > > I edited /etc/mailman3/settings.py adding ACCOUNT_ALLOW_REGISTRATION = False > and restarted the services, but the ' Sign Up' option remains. I assume > /etc/mailman3/settings.py is my active settings file. > > What am I doing wrong? Web searches may find reference to a django-allauth setting ACCOUNT_ALLOW_REGISTRATION, but this setting doesn't exist in current django-allauth The setting you want is ACCOUNT_ADAPTER = ‘django_mailman3.views.user_adapter.DisableSignupAdapter’ See https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/faq.html#how-to-disable-signup or https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman-web/en/latest/settings.html#mail… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Extracting mailing list users

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/30/22 03:25, Jan Eden via Mailman-users wrote: > > On minor issue: All user names with > non-ASCII characters appear with quoted-printable encoding (e.g. > =?utf-8?q?J=C3=BCrgen?=). Is there a way to output UTF-8 instead of QP? I just created https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1048 for this. I think this patch ``` --- a/src/mailman/commands/cli_members.py +++ b/src/mailman/commands/cli_members.py @@ -104,10 +104,10 @@ def display_members(ctx, mlist, role, regular, digest, if nomail is not None: if member.delivery_status not in status_types: continue - if email_only: + if email_only or not address.display_name: print(address.original_email, file=outfp) else: - print(formataddr((address.display_name, address.original_email)), + print(f'{address.display_name} <{address.original_email}>', file=outfp) ``` (line may be wrapped) will fix it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Issue with Held Messages

by Mark Sapiro

On 08/20/2016 07:15 AM, Jean-Luc Wasmer wrote: > On 2016-08-20 02:08, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> If you look at the user's options when logged in as a list owner, you >> should see an additional "Administration options" section below those >> with a "Moderation" setting. What is that set to? > > I log in as the admin user created with "mailman-web-django-admin > createsuperuser", I created the list logged in as this admin user and > its email address is displayed in the "Owners" sections of the "Members" > tab. > I only have that 1 other member and when I check it settings, the last > section is "Avoid duplicate copies of messages?" and then there's the > "Save" button. You probably have an older version of Postorius than I have. I am a few weeks behind at the moment, but I basically am running the heads of the master branches as described at <https://wiki.list.org/x/17891998>, so I am unable to see what you see. Here's an example mailman shell session to see what various member moderation actions are. > mailman@mail:/opt/mailman/mailman-bundler$ bin/mailman shell mm3_test(a)python.org > Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell > The variable 'm' is the mm3_test(a)python.org mailing list > >>> list(m.members.members) > [<Member: None <barry(a)python.org> on mm3_test(a)python.org as MemberRole.member>, <Member: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)python.org> on mm3_test(a)python.org as MemberRole.member>, <Member: mark(a)msapiro.net on mm3_test(a)python.org as MemberRole.member>, <Member: gvanrossum(a)gmail.com on mm3_test(a)python.org as MemberRole.member>] > >>> m1 = list(m.members.members)[1] > >>> m2 = list(m.members.members)[2] > >>> m1.moderation_action > <Action.defer: 4> > >>> m2.moderation_action > <Action.accept: 3> >>> By the way, I didn't mention before but in Settings | Message >>> Acceptance, the "Acceptable aliases:" box contains "[]". When I try to >>> Save changes after modifying something, I gut "An error occured: []" in >>> the yellow banner (instead of "The settings have been updated."). >> >> >> What happens if you clear the Acceptable aliases box before saving? > > Then I get "The settings have been updated." after pressing "Save changes". > But if I navigate elsewhere and come back, the brackets are back in the form. This is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/51>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installation Wooes

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/3/20 8:43 PM, Samir Faci wrote: > Inline. > > On Sun, May 3, 2020, 20:32 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net > <mailto:mark@msapiro.net>> wrote: > > You are sending from a remote machine 198.199.98.177 to a presumably > remote domain domain.com <http://domain.com> so relay access is > denied as it should be. > > You need to add 198.199.98.177 to mynetworks in Postfix. > > > I can but domain.com <http://domain.com> is basically my Gmail I just > regex-ed the logs. If that's the fix is have to add every recepients > domain to mynetworks. You absolutely don't want to do that. The log entry is confusing. Between your munging domains and my MUA adding mailto: links to every email address, it's a mess. Let's try again: May 4 03:07:38 lists postfix/smtpd[1968155]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[198.199.98.177]: 554 5.7.1 <csgeek(a)domain.com>: Relay access denied; from=<booh-bounces+csgeek=domain.com(a)lists.domain.org> to=<csgeek(a)domain.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<[127.0.1.1]>. This says Postfix received a RCPT command from 98.199.98.177. It looks like it comes from Mailman, i.e., the envelope sender loogs like a Mailman VERPed address <booh-bounces+csgeek=domain.com(a)lists.domain.org> for a message to <csgeek(a)domain.com> and that is the envelope recipient and the sender identified itself in EHLO as [127.0.1.1]. So Postfix thinks it is asked to relay from 98.199.98.177 to domain.com. Note that 98.199.98.177 is a Comcast network IP. It has nothing to do with gmail. So is the connect comes from Mailman on the Postfix machine, why does Postfix think it comes from 98.199.98.177. That's the issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius web issues after upgrading mailman 3

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/19/21 2:33 AM, Tibor Molnar wrote: > /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/hyperkitty > > /usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/hyperkitty/static/hyperkitty If you examine the source of your HyperKitty pages that have the issue, what do you see for the hrefs in the `<link rel="stylesheet"` tags in the <head> section. Also, I don't know if it is significant or not, but https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/upgrade-3.2.html#post-upgrade says to run ``` (venv) $ mailman-web compress (venv) $ mailman-web collectstatic ``` I always run those in the other order. I suggest you do mailman-web collectstatic --clear mailman-web compress (or whatever your django admin command is) in that order and see if that helps. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Turned on archiving and it is not working

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/9/22 12:47, bob B via Mailman-users wrote: > Mark, > > Thanks, So how do I check the version of mailman-hyperkitty? I thought that was the HyperKitty version 1.3.5. that was displayed in the web interface, but I assume that mailman-hyperkitty is something different? Yes. mailman-hyperkitty is a shim between Mailman core and HyperKitty. Your mail message has `` File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 154, in _archive_message` ``` The fact that it is line 154 says it is 1.1.0. You need to upgrade mailman-hyperkitty. I don't know how to do that in your Docker container. If you can run pip ``` pip install --upgrade mailman-hyperkitty ``` should do it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Some threads donw download

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/17/19 6:53 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > As a possible clue, I use the filesystem to store attachments. For some reason I found that using Postgres if they are stored in the database they don't download in the Hyperkitty view mode for a post, although listed as present. Is this perhaps <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/247>, although I don't store attachments in the file system? > Could this be a bug relating to being unable to package up attachments if they are in the filesystem? In my case even though I can't retrieve the attachment via the link in the HyperKitty thread view, if I download the thread mbox, there is no issue and the attachment is there. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: max_message_size parameter not working in mailman 3.3.1

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/12/20 7:12 AM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: > > One of our users has sent a mail with nearly 27M to one of the > lists running on Mailman 3.3.1. Though I have configured the parameter > related to the Maximum message size as '0' which I meant as no limit to the > size of mail, I observed the mail is not accepted and rejected with the > message "Message size limit exceeds". The max_size rule will not reject a message. Barring other issues, a message which is too big will be held, not rejected, so something else is going on here. Without more information such as the actual rejection message, I can't say more. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Can't send emails to list users

by Mark Sapiro

On September 19, 2023 2:36:21 PM PDT, Rob Passalacqua <rpassalacqua(a)westminsteru.edu> wrote: >I said 'default-mailing-pipeline' but I meant the 'default-posting-pipeline' in the 'alter messages' setting for the mailing list. Any ideas why using the default-owners-pipeline could have broken? was it ever supposed to work? The list setting for pipeline shows all known pipelines in the drop-down. It is probably a bug that it shows default_owner_pipeline as that pipeline is only for messages to owners and moderators, not for list mail, as in addition to skipping several handlers, it sets recipients to the list admins rather than the members. It isn't broken, but using it for list mail is a serious misconfiguration. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Feature request, hyperkitty, low volume lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/9/25 06:07, Alain D D Williams wrote: > > My request is to make finding content easier. Possibilities: > > • On the summary (left hand side) put the number of posts after the month name > > • Only show months (left hand side) where there are any posts This is a long standing issue. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/79 > For an example see: > > https://fridayfolk.phcomp.co.uk/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/announce@fridayfol… The style of this page is not standard. Is this a downstream packaged HyperKitty? See https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/2025/1/ for the standard page or https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-i18n@python.org/2024/12/ for one with no posts. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to run this script (attached) in the mailman shell (or withlist)?

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/5/25 18:43, Wikinaut wrote: > > I managed to have my set_member_prefs.py in /opt/mailman (home dir of mailman) or below, for example in /opt/mailman/venv/lib , but mailman does not find it when I use a different location outside mm home (and yes, I set the ownership for it to mailman): It works for me: ``` mark@msapiro:~$ ls -l zzz total 4 -rw-rw-r-- 1 mark mark 35 Aug 5 19:23 xxx.py mark@msapiro:~$ cat zzz/xxx.py def demo(): print('I am demo') mark@msapiro:~$ . /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/activate (venv) mark@msapiro:~$ PYTHONPATH=/home/mark mailman shell -r zzz.xxx.demo I am demo ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Internal Server Errors in mailmanweb.log

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/24/26 02:35, Washington Odhiambo via Mailman-users wrote: > > I am not trying to export any threads at all. I haven't tried doing it for > whatever reason. > So the fact that there is even an attempt at exporting it is strange. All the errors in your OP result from an attempt to get https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/list/kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke/ex…<thread-hash>.mbox.gz with various thread hashes. Check your web server logs and the log at /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/access.log. There may be accesses from some bot or ?? or possibly these are things generated by qcluster. Check things like mailman-web qinfo mailman-web qmemory mailman-web qmonitor -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 month, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: digests are created but not sent out

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/9/19 11:53 AM, "Jörg M. Schulz" wrote: > and: When I put the stanza >>> [language.en] > into the mailman.cfg, the service doesn’t restart: > … > PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//var/templates' > > somehow the template path gets lost by defining this section. Possibly, somewhere the path to the .en / language templates must be set. How, where? How are you restarting the service? Is is running as the Mailman user? There are issues that can occur if the service has run as root and is then restarted as the Mailman user. Some files get created by root which then can't be read/written by the Mailman user after restart. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: sqlalchemy.orm.exc.MultipleResultsFound: Multiple rows were found for one_or_none()

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/26/20 10:13 PM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: > Thank you Mark for your response. > > But I am having a final query over this issue. Out of the two hyperkitty > records I observed in the database, I am confused which record do I need > to remove directly from the database? Because I doubt still there is one > more list with the same style i.e. with two hyperkitty records. If there are multiple rows in the listarchiver for the same `mailing_list_id` and archiver `name`, you can safely delete all but one of them. It doesn't matter which ones you delete. They should be identical except for the `id`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: bypassing rules on an individual basis

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/4/25 13:03, via Mailman-users wrote: > > And, out of curiosity, why is the "accept_these_nonmembers" collection not applicable here? Is its use deprecated or is there a very particular use case for it? *_these_nonmembers is an artifact from Mailman 2.1 and its use in Mailman 3 for individual email addresses is deprecated in favor of setting the moderation action for a non-member. It is still useful in Mailman 3 for regexps and the @fqdn_listname functions. However, It can still be used with an individual email address, but it doesn't work for you because a match in accept_these_nonmembers is equivalent to a moderation_action of Defer, not Accept. This is consistent with how it worked in Mailman 2.1. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

11 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman web Stopped working after upgrade

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/3/20 1:26 PM, David Krantz wrote: > Hi, > > I tried psycopg2-binary and a few other rehashes of that. Now I got it > working by downloading the source for psycopg2 manually and building > it myself, then I installed it into my venv like any other self-built > package. https://pypi.org/project/psycopg2/#files I'm glad you got it working. I think installing psycopg2-binary with pip should have worked, so I suspect there was some residue of psycopg2 somewhere in the search path ahead of the psycopg2-binary that was the issue. > I run mod_wsgi in Apache so I thought it should be enough to restart > Apache. Yes, that should be sufficient. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty Error Curiosity

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/3/20 3:32 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > There was a message sent to a list that could not be archived by > Hyperkitty for the following reason: > > > WARNING 2020-11-03 17:20:54,507 800 hyperkitty.views.mailman Could not > archive the email with message-id > '<67BEBD75-B3DC-45E3-9C2F-55482F811238(a)ispdomain.com>': A string literal > cannot contain NUL (0x00) characters. > > It looks like there was a problem with the email message itself. What > causes such an error? A null byte in the message body. I suspect the message is still queued in Mailman's var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ directory and is being retried with each new post. You can examine the message with Mailman's `mailman qfile` command. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty.views.mailman Could not archive the email with message-id '<snip>': A string literal cannot contain NUL (0x00) characters

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/11/21 3:10 PM, Gilles Filippini wrote: > > Looking at the offending message with 'mailman qfile', it appears it is > a legitimate one actually, sent from an Android phone. > > Couldn't hyperkitty be a bit less strict? Possibly. It looks like this may be <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/271>, fixed? by <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/merge_requests/215>. What HyperKitty version is this? <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/merge_requests/215> is in 1.3.2. If your HyperKitty is >= 1.3.2, please file a new issue at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: message size

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/12/22 10:18 AM, ronald.clarke--- via Mailman-users wrote: > Dear Mailman users, > I recently had a message from a user of my Mailman account blocked because there were attachments that exceeded 2 MB. This is the message I got: > "Message body is too big: 5312119 bytes with a limit of 2000 KB". > Is there any way to increase the maximum allowable size of attachments? In Mailman 3, there is a list setting for maximum list size. See Postorius -> Settings -> Message Acceptance -> Maximum message size, but the message you got is from Mailman 2.1. The appropriate list for that is https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ In MM 2.1 this is controlled by the list admin UI General Options -> max_message_size. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: I'm seeing a lot of database locked errors

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/18/23 12:33 PM, bryan.kartzman(a)yu.edu wrote: > Sorry for the multitude of posts. I probably should have saved it all up for one post. > > I see in the hyperhitty_email table right after the "date" field there is a "timezone" field. I altered the "date" field to "timestamp with time zone" when I changed every timestamp field in the database from "without time zone" to "with time zone". Are there some (like this "date" field) that should have remained "without time zone"? The date field and the archived_date field should be `timestamp with time zone` in spite of there being a separate timezone field. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: An issue with the postfix_domains directory creation and the mailman start command.

by Mark Sapiro

On July 10, 2024 1:35:03 PM PDT, Keith Christian via Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: >Ron, I get this: > > > 1 (venv) [mailman3@somehost ~]$ mailman conf | grep layout > 2 [mailman] layout: local > >I've added your paths to /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg: > > 1 # /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg > 2 > 3 [paths.here] > 4 var_dir: /opt/mailman3/mm/var > 5 bin_dir: $argv > 6 log_dir: $var_dir/logs > 7 data_dir: $var_dir/data > 8 > 9 > 10 > 11 [mailman] > 12 layout: here > 13 layout: fhs > 14 layout: local > Everything you put on lines 4-7 is irrelevant because line 14 overrides line 12. Remove lines 13 and 14. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Counter-intuitive header filter processing

by Mark Sapiro

On 09/18/2018 10:26 AM, Jonas Meurer wrote: > > Apparently, that's not the case. If the default message acceptance > setting for members is set to "reject", then mails from > *(a)freesources.org get rejected even though the header filter says > "accept". In other words, the default message acceptance action seems to > overrule any header filters. > > Is this expected behaviour? Yes. Rules are normally checked in a sequence defined in mailman/chains/builtin.py and that sequence checks several things including member moderation before checking header matches, so if "Default action to take when a member posts to the list" is anything other than "Default processing", that action will take precedence over header matches. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Configure MM3 with separate IMAP Mailserver

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/2/23 03:44, clemens.leider(a)gmail.com wrote: > Dear all, > > we have managed to setup MM3 following the docker Installation concept/Tutorial. So far so good. However now i am struggeling with connecting to MTA. We are using imap server of our hosting provider.how to integrate that properly? Google was not too much of help unfortunately…looking for some tutorial or howto/step by step if possible. Assuming your Docker container can send TCP requests to the outside world, you need to set things in mailman.cfg like [mta] smtp_host: name or IP address of the IMAP server smtp_port: 587 or whatever the server's submission port is smtp_user: credentials for IMAP login smtp_pass: " " " " -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Verification links to localhost

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/4/23 22:50, Lars Bjørndal wrote: > The verification link I get back when trying to add an account, referes > to localhost, e.g. > > To confirm this is correct, go to https://localhost:8000/accounts/confirm-email/Mw:1... > > Where do I change that? This message comes from Django allauth and is probably using what it thinks is the host that is doing the add. This is based on your web server configuration which I would need to see to be more specific. I suspect you are proxying requests to https://localhost:8000/ and you are missing a directive to pass the host. For Apache I think you want ``` ProxyPreserveHost On ``` and for nginx ``` proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Template URI gets written incorrectly

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/23/23 16:51, Mark Dale via Mailman-users wrote: > > When I create a template, it writes the URI incorrectly into the > template table in the mailman3 database and the list stops working. > > For example, it writes: > > http://localhost/mailman3/postorius/api/templates/list/markslist.lists.post… > > When I correct it like so, all is well: > > https://lists.postmark.io/mailman3/postorius/api/templates/list/markslist.l… > > Have I missed a config setting somewhere, or is this a bug with the > older Debian Mailman 3.3.3 ? You need to set POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://lists.postmark.io/' in your Django settings. Debian probably has set it to 'http://localhost/'. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: 500 error on one list

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/13/24 8:35 AM, Seth Seeger wrote: > > Did this one list get corrupted somehow? This is https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/657 We still don't know the underlying cause. Note that the first script in that issue assumes that the multiple entries are for the mhonarc archiver, but this isn't always true. If you run this database query SELECT * FROM listarchiver WHERE mailing_list_id = (SELECT id from mailinglist WHERE list_id = 'list.example.com'); replacing list.example.com with the list_id of your problem list, you will see there are two entries with the same name. Then do DELETE FROM listarchiver WHERE id = nn; where nn is the id of one of the duplicates, it doesn't matter which. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderator e-mails only going out once a day

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/26/25 6:46 AM, jkoral(a)luc.edu wrote: > OK, another thought. Could it be because of the way my cronjob is setup??? Here is what I have. > > @daily /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman digests --periodic > @daily /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman notify > * * * * * /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs minutely > 0,15,30,45 * * * * /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs quarter_hourly > @hourly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs hourly > @daily /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs daily > @weekly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs weekly > @monthly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs monthly > @yearly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs yearly That looks good, but admin_immed_notify doesn't depend on any cron. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

11 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot Create New List

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/8/25 12:29, dap1--- via Mailman-users wrote: > I guess it is obvious pointers are still messed up. I still don't understand why the `mailman` command is getting it's config from /opt/mailman/mm/var/etc/mailman.cfg instead of /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg, but as a workaround do rm /opt/mailman/mm/var/etc/mailman.cfg ln -s /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg /opt/mailman/mm/var/etc/mailman.cfg Then you can redo the `mailman create` and `mailman import21` processes. You can also delete the /opt/mailman/var/data/mailman.db sqlite db. I suspect you don't need to redo the `mailman-web hyperkitty_import` unless there are additional messages in the .mbox, as I suspect the archives are there at http(s)://your.host/archives/ from the prior run -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot Create New List

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/13/25 06:23, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > OK, that's not it. If it's CSRF, there's some problem with matching > the data in the backend, but I have no idea. I tried to find the > cookie in the Mailman database but either it's not there or I missed > it. Anyway, I don't have a further suggestion for fixing this > installation at this point. And I'm out of ideas too. I suggest you, @dap1, proceed by looking at https://www.google.com/search?q=django+csrf+failure for possibly relevant information. If that doesn't help, you might also consider posting to https://forum.djangoproject.com/ (see https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/internals/mailing-lists/#django-forum) -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Help request, almost got it going, but ....

by Mark Sapiro

On 09/01/2017 04:20 PM, Claus-Justus Heine via Mailman-users wrote: > > The issue seems not to be overly active. I thought -- coming from > Mailman v2 -- that the configuration of acceptable submitters to an > email list (e.g. keep everyone moderated?) would be a central and > prominent and important configuration issue. Seems not to be a central > point. Mmmh. Acceptable aliases corresponds directly to MM 2.1 Privacy options... -> Recipient filters -> acceptable_aliases. It has nothing to do with submitters. It is a list of other addresses that can be in the To: or Cc: of a post to avoid and "implicit destination" hold if the list posting address is not there. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 Docker

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/8/19 10:50 PM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > Now that has clarified the matter for me. That even when I am logged out, > the scripts do the neccessary > to activate the venv to run things. As mentioned before, a virtualenv is not like a container. It is only a directory that contains among other things a bin/ directory with activate scripts and easy_install, python, pip and wheel commands. When you activate a virtualenv in your shell, all it really does is add a deactivate command, modify the command prompt and insert its bin/ directory at the beginning of its PATH. What this means is whether or not a virtualenv is "active", running a command from the bin/ directory in the virtualenv is using the virtualenv. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Migration from 2.1 to 3

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/23/19 7:52 AM, brunol(a)agro.uba.ar wrote: > > Dec 23 12:35:47 2019 (701) held message approved, message-id: <CAOwJ5NX=_bUnfb5ZNqVLFeF3EeOP0GMJW7NeeOWZqVmn5ViyBg(a)mail.gmail.com> > > And then nothing. None of the members receives the message Are you sure none of the members receive it or is it just you that doesn't receive it? If it's just you, I note the message-id is @mail.gmail.com and I wonder if the issue is <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030680>. What's in the MTA log for the time immediately after you approve the message? Are there any errors/tracebacks in the mailman.log after the above approval message? If a message is posted to the list that isn't held, is that message delivered? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: New Installation of MM3 is not archiving

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/30/23 02:57, Onyeibo Oku wrote: > > My new MM3 instance does not seem to be archiving. List subscribers > are currently sending and receiving mails on their subscribed lists. > However, none of the correspondence is showing up at > https://mailing-list-site.tld/archives/. That page shows a listing of > the active mailing-lists with '0 participants' and '0 discussions'. > Whereas, those lists contain mails. > > How do I troubleshoot this? The messages as pickled message objects are probably queued in /opt/mailman/mm/var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/. The first place to look for the reason is in /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/mailman.log. There might also be info in /opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Error: ConnectionRefusedError at /accounts/login/

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/25/25 12:29, Kim Sunggun via Mailman-users wrote: > Hello, > When I sign in new id, it has an issue. Could you please guide me to fix it? > > error: > ConnectionRefusedError at /accounts/login/ > [Errno 111] Connection refused > Request Method: POST > Request URL: https://lists.klnpa.org/accounts/login/ > Django Version: 4.2.19 > Exception Type: ConnectionRefusedError > Exception Value: > [Errno 111] Connection refused > Exception Location: /usr/lib64/python3.9/socket.py, line 844, in create_connection > Raised during: allauth.account.views.LoginView What is your Django setting for EMAIL_BACKEND? Normally, this is EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' Depending on your outgoing MTA, you may need additional settings. See https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/5.1/topics/email/#django.core.mail.backen… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Block members from sending cc's and bcc's

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/14/25 17:34, Cathryn McGuire wrote: > > You hinted there's a way to not hold posts with a Cc: to <neighbours(a)mailist.dunbar-vancouver.org> by adjusting our header rules, but I think yes, now we do want that. What would that header rule look like? You can use the following rule: Header = cc Pattern = ^(?!(\w+ )*<?neighbours(a)mailist.dunbar-vancouver.org>? *$) Action = Hold for moderation That will match any Cc: header that doesn't look like any of Cc: <neighbours(a)mailist.dunbar-vancouver.org> Cc: neighbours(a)mailist.dunbar-vancouver.org Cc: neighbours Mailist Dunbar <neighbours(a)mailist.dunbar-vancouver.org> Cc: any words <neighbours(a)mailist.dunbar-vancouver.org> That will probably be good enough. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mail not going out

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/21/19 11:30 PM, andrew.bernard(a)gmail.com wrote: > What process handles the sending of the mail out to subscribers? > > My new installation suddenly stopped sending. Apologies for so many newbie questions. See <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/8-miles-high.html> Incoming messages are received by Mailman's `lmtp` runner and queued in the `in` queue. They are picked up from there by the `in` runner and processed through a chain of rules and if accepted processed through a pipeline of handlers, one of which will queue the message in the `out` queue. Then the `out` runner will pick up and send the message. Look at logs, particularly mailman.log, and queues and ensure Mailman and all the runners are running. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: First time mailman installation

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/25/24 00:19, Roland Giesler via Mailman-users wrote: > > As I have written in another post I made, I have set the (apparently) > appropriate parameters in the mailman.cfg, but I still get "relay access > denied" from my external MTA, which mean that authentication is not even > attempted, or am I mistaken? You may find this doc useful - <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/mta/docs/c…>. In your case, the secure connection is established and the user authenticated before the mail is sent, and the "relay access denied" is in response to the SMTP RCPT TO command which is part of sending the mail. I.e., authentication succeeded before the "relay access denied" occurred. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: New Lists Appear in HyperKitty Archives, But No Mail Data is Shown

by Mark Sapiro

On July 12, 2025 8:28:58 AM EDT, Asif Muzammil via Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: >Hello, > >*Problem:* When I create a new mailing list in Mailman Core and then visit >the HyperKitty archives, the list is correctly displayed. However, when I >send an email to that list, no mail data (messages) are shown inside it. >The message count for the list remains at zero in the archives UI. The messages are probably queued in Mailman core's var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ directory and the errors that cause this logged in var/logs/mailman.log. Once you fix the underlying issue, the messages will be delivered to hyperkitty on the next post. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.

8 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 without Hyperkitty in docker

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/27/19 12:38 PM, Danil Smirnov wrote: > Hi Abhilash, > > ср, 27 февр. 2019 г. в 22:21, Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in>: > >> So, what errors are you looking at in uwsgi*.log? >> > > There are tons of errors like this: > > Unknown command: 'qcluster' > Type 'manage.py help' for usage. > [uwsgi-daemons] respawning "./manage.py qcluster" (uid: 100 gid: 101) > Unknown command: 'qcluster' > Type 'manage.py help' for usage. > [uwsgi-daemons] throttling "./manage.py qcluster" for 26 seconds do you have django-q in INSTALLED_APPS in your Django settings and what is set for Q_CLUSTER? Does the manage.py that's being run here point to the right settings.py? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years

[MM3-users] Re: MM2 -> MM3 Migration: listinfo page

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/8/23 02:21, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > For those who have migrated from MM2 to MM3, does someone have an elegantly > modified listinfo page they are willing to share? I remove the MM 2.1 list, but leave the archives. Instead of having any kind of listinfo page, I put a redirect in Apache for each migrated list. E.g. RedirectMatch permanent /mailman/listinfo/mailman-users(/.*)?$ \ https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ For archives, I add a note to archives/private/<listname>/index.html. See https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/ for an example. This works for public archives, but not for private archives because there is no longer a list to use for private archive authentication. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: Thread IDs on messages incrementing per reply?

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/18/23 14:54, Thomas Ward via Mailman-users wrote: > > Is there any way to have Subject based thread tagging, etc.? I ask this > only because we're trying to thread items for easy ID in a system right > now that does thread ID tagging in the subject line (i.e. > "[Test-0000004] Something" and "Re: [Test-0000004] Something" are > identified as the same thread, but a brand new message "Something" would > end up as "[Test-0000005] Something" in the chain if it was a new message.) It is not possible with the current design. The issue is the tagging is done by Mailman core and Mailman core knows nothing about threads. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: After server upgrade debian 11→12 and reinstalling everything in (venv), I got this error when accessing → mailman3/lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/21/25 14:49, Wikinaut wrote: > Do you have a programmatic way to delete n ( n > 20) such entries in Postorius, e.g. via a python script + REST to loop through all lists and perhaps to exclude a few based on a small condition (like a text found in old template and/or list name)? I don't have anything off hand, and in the time it would take me to create one and for you to customize it for your exceptions, you could probably go through well over 20 lists/templates via the web UI. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: hidden list is hidden even to the owner

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/2/20 8:10 AM, Mohsen Masoudfar wrote: > > This is after a long fight with AWS and Redhat versions, I ended up installing the mailman3-full package on Ubuntu18. Installation was straight forward and easy, but it seems it is not easily possible to update/upgrade Postorius alone in this configuration, is it? You can't upgrade Postorius alone in any configuration because the latest Postorius requires recent Mailman core, mailmanclient and django-mailman3. Depending on how the Debian/Ubuntu package installs these things, it may be possible to upgrade them with pip3, but as I don't know the details of how they are installed in this package, I can't say how to do this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: ERROR sqlalchemy.exc.OperationalError: (psycopg2.OperationalError) could not translate host name xxxx to address

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/2/23 14:03, o.mankewitz(a)gmail.com wrote: > > This is the part of mailman.cfg: > [database] > class: mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase > url: postgresql://mailman:<mypassword>@localhost/mailman > Full error: > sqlalchemy.exc.OperationalError: (psycopg2.OperationalError) could not translate host name "assword>@localhost" to address: Name or service not known Do you have literally `<mypassword>` in `url: postgresql://mailman:<mypassword>@localhost/mailman` `<mypassword>` needs to be replaced with the actual password for the postgress `mailman` user. I.e. the password you provided when you did `CREATE USER mailman WITH PASSWORD 'secure-password';` in postgres (and hopefully didn't set it to literally `secure-password`). -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: new list not working

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/9/23 08:51, Christian via Mailman-users wrote: > I created a new list using via the form. I sent a test message to the new > list and it appears in the list archive. However I am not receiving the > distribution. > > What should I check for please? Does the list have members, i.e. actual members, not just owners and moderators, and do the members have Delivery status Enabled and Delivery mode Regular. If those show as '-----' in list based preferences, then the address based preferences if any or the global preferences apply. Also check Mailman's var/logs/mailman.log for errors resulting in shunted messages or other messages about the disposition of this message.. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: PGP - S/MIME signed messages

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/28/25 13:29, Peter Adebahr via Mailman-users wrote: > > Hi * > > we are receiving a few PGP-signed posts as a S/MIME attachment. Some > final recipients check these, and as mailman3 does not munge them - the > original mail is signed, not mailman3's final posts - those get rejected. I don't understand. Can you expand what you mean by "the original mail is signed, not mailman3's final posts" Do you mean the post to the list is signed, but the post from the list is not? If so, what are your content filtering settings? For example, this list has in Pass Types: ``` multipart message/rfc822 text application/pgp-signature application/x-pkcs7-signature application/pkcs7-signature ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius confirmation mails shown in uwsgi-error.log but not sent

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/29/20 6:46 PM, Abhilash Raj wrote: > Do you have something like this[1] in your settings.py file? > > [1]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/-/blob/master/mailman-suite_projec… > > `EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.console.EmailBackend'` > > `This is a dummy email backend which will basically only print the email to stdout, which seems to happen in your uwsgi-error.log. If you do, please comment it out and see if that solves your issue.` I know Ralph previously posted > $ grep ^EMAIL settings.py > EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' > EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost' > EMAIL_PORT = 25 but is this perhaps overridden in a settings_local.py file? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Importing mbox file into MM3

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/22/23 7:00 PM, Mark wrote: > Hi All > > I'm trying to import a large mbox file from a MM2 list into a new list > on MM3. > > The new MM3 list has 3 test emails in its archive. > ... > The import or rebuild has failed as it's just rebuilding the existing > archive of the 3 test messages. > > What am I doing wrong? Presumably, the 3 test emails are newer than the messages in the archive .mbox. The default for hyperkitty_import is to not import messages older than the newest message in the existing archive. You need to specify something like `--since='1970-01-01'` on the hyperkitty_import command to import these older messages. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hiding an ML from a site

by Mark Sapiro

On February 7, 2024 1:34:32 PM PST, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >What should I do then? Edit some file? Apply some patch? >It's pretty easy for me to create a DNS record for the same server (IP) for >use with the web host that I'd like to hide. In the Domains view in postorius, you need separate mail hosts. Then you need to change the domain of one of the lists to the 'new' mail host. This implies changing its address which may not be acceptable. Or, you can just live with it as is. Note, I have been without power at my house for almost 3 days now, so I don't have access to all my usual resources. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: list owner creation

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/21/21 4:15 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > On 2/21/21 6:50 PM, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-users wrote: >> If one inadvertently deleted a list owner account, how could one either >> create a new account and make them a list owner -or- make an existing >> account a list owner? Thanks! > > Are you talking about deleting the account via the Django admin > interface or via Postorius? > Yes, the answer depends on what you did and what tools you have available. For example, if you deleted the owner via the Delete button on the page at <https://example.com/mailman3/lists/list.example.com>/members/owner/>, you can add it back on the same page. You need to tell us what you did. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: Handling of spam

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/5/22 09:57, Eggert Ehmke wrote: > > Now comes the strange part: sometimes a spam message is put into a multi-part > message and forwarded to the list owner (me). This multi-part message contains > the message marked as spam, but is not marked as spam itself. The origin of > those message is the bounces address of the list. > > So my first question is: where can those messages be generated? I can provide > the message header, but it would contain a lot of details of my server. Messages can be forwarded to the list owner in multiple ways, but in all cases the Subject: and initial body part of the notice to the admin should explain why it is being sent. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Disabled by bounce

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/1/23 10:49, Allan Hansen wrote: > > Is it the case that if I set the 'Bounce info stale after' to 3d then in 3 days the bounces will be reset to 0 if no further bounces have arrived? I saw a post that made me doubt this. Yes and no. If 'Bounce info stale after' is set to 3d and no bounces for a user are received in a 3 day period, the user's bounce score is not immediately reset, but it will be reset (to 1) the next time a bounce is received for the user. I.e., it is effectively the same thing unless you are looking at the user's bounce score which doesn't change until the next bounce. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: I'm seeing a lot of database locked errors

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/18/23 4:44 PM, bryan.kartzman(a)yu.edu wrote: > Its the same message because the professor sent the message to both class lists (the "To:" line): Given that this is a cross post and assuming that hyperkitty_email.mailinglist_id is different between the two posts, I don't think this is the issue. I'd have to study the code more than I have to understand exactly what is being looked up by these keys that doesn't exist. Normally, the thread_order_depth job is run yearly, not minutely. Perhaps it is django-q that's re-running this job every minute. You might consider deleting this task. See https://django-q.readthedocs.io/en/latest/admin.html -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Unable to remove non-member

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/22/24 13:31, kapoortoman--- via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I ran across a strange issue today. A client reported the inability to > remove a non-member in the following format: > > z_email/domain.org.za(a)domain.org.za An unquoted local part cannot contain a slash. > The reported error from Postorius was: > > "The user could not be removed" > > I used https://mailtester.ninja/ to validate the email > address and it is syntactically correct. If I ask https://mailtester.ninja/ to validate `z_email/domain.org.za(a)domain.org.za` it tells me that `domain.org.za(a)domain.org.za` is valid, not that `z_email/domain.org.za(a)domain.org.za` is valid. What's in Mailman core's mailman.log for this? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Adding Mass Subscribe custom template error

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/28/25 12:31, Arte Chambers via Mailman-users wrote: > > I'm getting the following error when using mass subscription on a testing > list with a custom template loaded for [list:user:notice:welcome] > ``` > HTTP Error 400: HTTPConnectionPool(host='localhost', port=8000): Read timed > out. (read timeout=5) > ``` It appears you are setting the template in Postorius and there is an issue with your setting for POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL. It looks like this is something like ``` POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://localhost:8000/' ``` and that connection is timing out. Try setting just the scheme and host for access to Postorius. I.e., if you access Postorius at a URL like https://www.example.com/mailman3/, try ``` POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://www.example.com/' ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Footer variables

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/2/26 05:03, Washington Odhiambo via Mailman-users wrote: > On Mon, Mar 2, 2026 at 3:41 PM Stephen J. Turnbull <steve(a)turnbull.jp> > wrote: >> >> Have you tried using "$hyperkitty_url" instead of "${hyperkitty_url}"? >> > > I have now removed the curly braces. Let me see what follows. That shouldn't matter. It should work with or without the curly braces. Is there anything relevant in mailman.log? Does Mailman have permission to access /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/kictanet.lists.kictanet.or.ke/en/list:member:regular:footer.txt? In the OP you said "in my posts, it's blank". Do you mean the entire footer is blank or is it just that ${hyperkitty_url} is replaced with nothing and the rest of the footer is OK? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 weeks, 5 days

[MM3-users] Re: Download errors

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/16/19 5:30 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > Can I add to this that Archive Manager on Ubuntu shows a file in the archive 50.3MB, but the actual gzip file is only 10 bytes in size on disk. It appears your download is truncated. what happens if you go to <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/export/…> This should download mailman-users(a)mailman3.org.mbox.gz which is about 1.2 MB and is a gzip of a 5.4 MB mailman-users(a)mailman3.org.mbox. This works for me. If it doesn't work for you, it's probably a browser issue. If it does work for you, the issue may be a timeout or similar in your web server. Does downloading a single thread or a single month work? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Messages in var/queue/shunt

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/20/20 2:29 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > I have a large number of messages in the shunt directory due to some > testing done. What is the proper method of dealing with them? Is there a > way to release them again to the archiver or can I safely delete them? I'm assuming based on what you say above that these were all shunted in the archiving process because of some issue in that process which has been fixed. If that is the case, you have choices. If you want the messages to be archived, just run `mailman unshunt`. If you don't want them archived you can run `mailman unshunt` --discard` or you can simply remove the .pck files from var/queue/shunt. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Attachments in digests mails

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/12/21 4:55 AM, Eric Broens wrote: > Hi, > > > > subscribers that prefer to receive digests, are receiving attachments as > encoded characters in the message body. > > This makes digests almost unreadable, see an extract of an example below. This is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/473> fixed in Mailman 3.3.3 by <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/734>. > Is there a way to make sure the attachments are send as attachments in the > digest mails? If you want the attachments sent as attachments, subscribe to the MIME format digest which doesn't have this issue. For the plain text digest, the fix above just removes the non text/plain parts and replaces them with a note that they have been removed. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years

[MM3-users] Remove ALL Members button - was: Re: Setting base_url for the domain to use it in the templates.

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/10/24 10:46 PM, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > > I find the unsubscribe_all button quite scary! I have never used it though, > so I am not quite sure about its behavior. What scares me > is the possibility of clicking it and then in one fell swoop you've removed > ALL the members without a "confirmation". See the thread at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… and the issue at https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/545. Bottom line - there is a confirmation. Try it, perhaps on a test list if you're really scared. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Where is the site to translate HyperKitty?

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/25/18 11:17 PM, Ooyama Yosiyuki wrote: > I think that mailman website is not clear where the translation will be done even if reading the page ? > > http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/index.html > > Even looking at "Developers" page, I can not find the translation phrase. > > Are you going to leave this problem? Are you planning not to internationalize? Is not ? Yes, we are planning to internationalize all of Mailman 3, but we have been focusing more on other issues and also trying to find an appropriate translation site. We have just started a project at <https://hosted.weblate.org/engage/postorius/> for Postorius. We have nothing for HyperKitty yet, but would welcome your help. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman 3 - Header Filter

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/22/19 2:34 PM, Thomas Lehker wrote: > I am a Mailman neophyte and need help with filtering posts based on the subject field. We have a few list owners that want 'Out of Office' replies discarded. When using the below syntax in Postorius/Header filter the post is not discarded but ends up in 'Held Messages'. Is there any syntax I am missing or a setting in the lists that needs to be disabled/enabled to get these posts dropped? Any help is much appreciated. The issue may be that in Mailman core's 'builtin' chain, the checking of header_matches occurs after the check for member moderation so if the member moderation check results in the message being held, the header_matches aren't checked. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty - not sending from GUI & reply-thread

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/7/20 6:46 PM, sunil soprey wrote: > With latest release (HK 1.3.1), does anyone have an issue with no emails from reply-thread? I able to send/receive emails to/from mailman. I see MTA delivered emails, just no emails from HK GUI. If you look in Mailman's logs/access.log or in your web server logs do you see an entry like "POST /archives/list/LIST_ADDRESS/message/MESSAGE_HASH/reply HTTP/1.1" 200 ... Or maybe it's "POST /hyperkitty/list/LIST_ADDRESS/message/MESSAGE_HASH/reply HTTP/1.1" 200 ... Where LIST_ADDRESS is like list@domain and MESSAGE_HASH is the hash if the message-id that you're replying to. If it's there and the status is not 200, is there something in error.log? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: import an mm3 hyperkitty archive

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/7/22 05:57, Eggert Ehmke wrote: > I was able to export the archive of my old mm3 installation in hyperkitty. > However, I seem to be blind when looking for hyperkitty_import in the > documentation. Where to start? There is documentation at <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/development.html#im…> and also at <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html#upgrade-strategy>. You can also run `django-admin hyperkitty_import --help`. The docs refer to importing messages from MM 2.1, but you can import messages from any unix like mbox file. Note in the above, `django-admin` is the command you use to invoke Django's management which may be `django-admin`, `manage.py`, `mailman-web` or something else depending on how Mailman is installed. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Sending a message to a subscription applicant when a subscription request is made

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/28/23 01:49, Allan Hansen wrote: > > There is a template, 'list:user:action:subscribe' that almost does this, but it gets sent only if the email address of the applicant is unverified. A good number of our applicants are already on our lists, so they would not get this template if we set the Subscription Policy to 'Confirm, then moderate'. > > Our Subscription Policy is currently: 'Moderate' for all lists. If you set the subscription policy to 'Confirm, then moderate' the user will receive a confirmation request based on the list:user:action:subscribe template whether or not the address is verified. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Template - "You can use these variables in the templates" - The variable for "leave" is missing

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/3/23 01:28, Wikinaut wrote: > I suggest to add this is as a new variable $leave_email . > > By the way: how can I access the _short_ list description text as a variable? See https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… for information on the variables that can be used in templates. There you will see the variable for "the mailing list’s short description text" is `description`. This is missing from the list displayed in Postorius which needs updating for this and other reasons, e.g. $hyperkitty_url is only available in regular headers and footers. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderation action "None" is misleading

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/4/25 02:51, Markus Grandpré wrote: > Dear List, > > I find the use of the term 'None' (or 'Kein' in the German translation; > see attachments) in the 'Moderation action' column of the member list > misleading, as the term suggests that no moderation action is applied to > the respective member. > > However, this is not necessarily the case. If you check a member’s > "Administration options / Moderation" setting, a moderation action, such > as "Moderation" or "List default", may be in effect. This is https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/577 fixed in Postorius 1.3.9 by https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/811 See the UI changes at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html#news-1-3-9 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: migrating Mailman to a new server

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/2/25 09:16, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-users wrote: > What are the steps for migrating a half dozen lists with subscribers from an > old server (Debian 10) to a new server (running Debian 13) please? You are still hijacking threads. Please post new topics as a new message to the list and not as a reply to an existing message. Take a look at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… to see the results of thread hijacking. To answer your question, copy the `mailman` (and `mailman-web` if they are separate) databases. If the database manager versions are different, this probably should be done by dumping the database(s) on the old server and loading them on the new server. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Heads up: settings.ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD is deprecated

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/6/26 23:05, Thomas Krichel wrote: > > (venv) mailman@darni:/usr/local/mailman$ mailman-web diffsettings|grep ACCOUNT > Traceback (most recent call last): ... > File "/etc/mailman3/settings.py", line 12, in <module> > del ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > NameError: name 'ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED' is not defined This is because you have two `del ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED` statements, one you added to /usr/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.13/site-packages/mailman_web/settings/mailman.py and one in /etc/mailman3/settings.py, but why doesn't this show up earlier? It should throw this exception everywhere. > I remove the additional lines Mark thinks are not necessary in > > /usr/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.13/site-packages/mailman_web/settings/mailman.py > > and restart but that gets my to another problem. Which is? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty 1.1.1 to HyperKitty 1.2.1

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/04/2018 03:49 AM, Thomas G wrote: > I tried all job, without result. > (and they are correctly in the crontab) > > [image: image.png] > > If I try to find my list in the form, hyperkitty can find it: > > [image: image.png] Since you are a gmail user, you probably didn't see that content filtering removed your screen shots, but see your post at <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…>. I did in fact see your screen shots in my direct copy, but I am unable to determine what your issue is except there may be some domain confusion between mailing.hatlab.fr and hatlab.fr. Are your list settings set for Public archives and hyperkitty active? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: digests are created but not sent out

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/9/19 12:02 PM, "Jörg M. Schulz" wrote: > start fails when I use > > > # The default language for this server. > default_language: en > [language.en] > charset: utf-8 > enabled: yes > > when I comment out the lines above, mailman starts. And in what section is this put? I.e. if the last preceding section header is not [mailman], the default_language: en is in a section where it doesn't belong. Or are you saying that you had set the server default_language to something other than 'en' and the above is intended to change it to 'en'. In that case, look at var/templates/en and ensure it and subordinates are user:group list:list -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Compression error

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/16/19 7:18 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > I did a git pull today. Now I get the following error and the archives wont display: > > compressor.exceptions.OfflineGenerationError: You have offline compression enabled but key "b5ae52a1ebb585c556edceb45a148cb948b2a2673d133a340a90cd02fdd34828" is missing > from offline manifest. You may need to run "python manage.py compress". Here is the original content: > > Any clues? Did you do what it says, i.e. run "python manage.py compress" or however you spell your django admin command? It isn't always necessary, but I recommend that every time you do an update, you run all four of $DJANGO_CONTROL_SCRIPT collectstatic --clear --noinput --verbosity 0 $DJANGO_CONTROL_SCRIPT compress $DJANGO_CONTROL_SCRIPT compilemessages $DJANGO_CONTROL_SCRIPT migrate where $DJANGO_CONTROL_SCRIPT is the command to run django-admin or manage.py or however you spell it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: installation

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/22/20 5:38 PM, Henry S wrote: > Thanks Mark and Brian. I'll try the suggestions. > > My IP might have got blocked by CBL when testing mailman3 against a > Gmail address. I have since removed it from CBL. I don't know how my IP > got into the Outlook's block list. Maybe a used one. Will try DKIM > signing and Microsoft programs. Outlook and friends (Hotmail, Live, MSN. ...) can be a real pain. If you're not aware, start at <https://sender.office.com/>. Also, this requires patience. It may take several back and forth emails, some of which ask questions which have already been answered earlier in the quoted thread, but in every case where I've persisted, the block has ultimately been removed. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to create a list with → advertised=false ← by command line "mailman create [OPTIONS] LISTNAME" ?

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/4/25 11:01, Wikinaut wrote: > I use the following REST-API sequence (excerpt:) to create a list but want to use the much quicker command line. However, only a few [OPTIONS] can be set via command line. Create the list via the command line `mailman create` and specify the desired style, e.g. `private-default` for a list with `advertised = False`, `archive_policy = ArchivePolicy.private` and `subscription_policy = SubscriptionPolicy.confirm_then_moderate`. See https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/styles/doc… for some info on styles and see https://gitlab.com/mailman/example-mailman-plugin for information on creating a plugin to configure additional list styles. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty CSS issue

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/14/20 1:48 PM, Ryan Morash wrote: > I migrated my existing mailman3 install from using the Debian packages to a virtualenv setup. For the most part everything seems to be running fine, but I'm running into an issue where Hyperkitty 1.3.3 is referencing an incorrect CSS file. It is trying to load "/static/CACHE/css/hyperkitty.39ef00cc7454.css" which does not exist. If I replace that reference (using my browser's dev tools) with "/static/CACHE/css/output.12a071da81b1.css" everything looks fine. I've ran the collectstatic, compress, and migrate commands successfully with no change. Any ideas on how to fix this? Have you tried running collectstatic with the --clear option or removing everything in STATIC_ROOT before running collectstatic?, See, e.g., <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/2.2/ref/contrib/staticfiles/> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: changing default preferred language of list

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/29/22 13:01, Paul Paulchen wrote: > > As far as I understood, it should be pretty easy. My wish: every new list we create has a default value for the preferred language: de (instead of us) ... > We put the values in: > > [mailman] > default_language: de > > "/etc/mailman.cfg" and "/opt/mailman/mailman-extra.cfg" > Nothing changes. When I create a new list via Postorius, is see the preferred language is US. This is a bug in Mailman's REST API. I just created https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/997 for this. Creating the list via `mailman create` sets the list's preferred language as expected, but creating it via the REST API whoch Postorius uses does not. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman-web Cleaning Up a Few Issues

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/6/25 10:23, dap1--- via Mailman-users wrote: > Odd, this is the output but none of those packages (if that is what they are) exist to be removed. > > mailman3-doc/noble-updates 3.3.8-3.1ubuntu0.1 all > mailman3-full/noble-updates 3.3.8-3.1ubuntu0.1 all > mailman3-web/noble,now 0+20200530-2.1 all [residual-config] > mailman3/noble-updates 3.3.8-3.1ubuntu0.1 all > > I've removed that cron file. And that cron is part of or maybe all of the residual-config left from mailman3-web. What happens if you do sudo apt purge mailman3-web Backup /etc/mailman3/ first in case it removes something wanted from there. Note that all this says that at some point the mailman3-web package was installed and subsequently removed but not purged. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Auth question

by Mark Sapiro

On 03/26/2017 02:06 AM, David Krantz wrote: > > I have of course activated password login as it was not possible to get the > provider based logins to work (might be but not worth the time for me right > now). Is there any way for an user to request a new password when it is > forgotten? > > I presume that the Persona login is removed now. I cannot hide it in my > version or at least I do not know how. All of this is fixed in the current GitLab branches. See the login page at <https://lists.mailman3.org/accounts/login/?next=/mailman3/lists/> for example. You really need to upgrade. Please see <https://wiki.list.org/x/17891998> for a discussion of how you can do that. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: 'utf-8' codec can't encode characters

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/15/20 9:43 AM, Gilles Filippini wrote: > Hi, > > I'm seeing the above error in mailman-core logs each time an email is > processed. Is there something I missed in the configuration? I'm using > dockerized mailman 0.3 from maxking. I'm guessing you have one message in var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ that is causing this issue. The message itself will probably have invalid utf-8 encodings in a message part declared as charset=utf-8. Every time a new message is archived, HyperKitty reprocesses this message and hits the error again. You can examine the message with `bin/mailman qfile`. It is a Python pickle of a message object. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: [Spam] Installation Help on Ubuntu 18

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/26/20 12:37 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > That's not our guide, we don't support it, and at least I don't > recognize the author offhand, can't speak for the rest of the team. The author has been involved in a few threads on this list. > Now that our NO WARRANTY notice is out of the way, I will say that > guide is written in very good style, with great attention to detail > and appropriate warnings about delicate parts of the procedure. If > you end up succeeding with it, I'll add a link to it to our docs. It is currently linked from the first paragraph at <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Importing config and archives only partially succeeded?

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/12/20 3:56 PM, Eric Broens via Mailman-users wrote: > After everything was imported, and I noticed that the mails were not shown in the archives for half of the mailinglists, I ran "manage.py update_index" to index the mails for all mailinglists.This command is still running for hours.Since it builds the search index, I don't expect that this would make the mails available on the webpage. I agree, that won't make the mails available on the webpage. If you're using the default Whoosh search engine, "hours" is not unexpected. Elasticsearch is much faster and Xapian faster still. What do you see in Postorius - Settings -> Archiving for the lists whose messages don't show? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Header Filter madness

by Mark Sapiro

On January 11, 2021 5:50:04 PM MST, Brian Carpenter <brian_carpenter(a)emwd.com> wrote: >I have a client whose header filters seemed to have stop working. No >matter what I try, it seems none of their header filters are being >applied. Other lists on the same server that use header filters, are >working fine. This particular header is the subject header. I can >duplicate their problem but only with their list. If I create the exact > >same header on a test list using the exact same subject line, the >header >filter does its job (moderate). Just not with this one list. Is the poster's moderation action or the list's moderation action set to accept? Moderation action accept (rather than default processing) will bypass header filters an many other rules. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 to MM3 migration

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/31/23 18:35, David Newman wrote: > > > Thanks for this. Would I need to create the lists first on the new > server before restoring databases and running hyperkitty_import? No. If you transfer the database, that will bring the lists and hyperkitty archives with it. > Also, I'm unclear about there not being scripts for settings, users, > etc. –– isn't that stuff in the mailman database? Yes, it's all in the database. What I was referring to is an abstract need to export everything for a single list from the database to some kind of flat file and a way to import that into another installation, but none of that is relevant if you are going to transfer the whole database. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman issues after re-boot

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/3/23 16:42, paulrubin37(a)gmail.com wrote: > > So clearly the issue is caused by the DB url: > url: postgresql://mailman:XXXXX@localhost/mailman > > something between python and PostgreSQL. > > (venv) mailman@mail:~> mailman info > Traceback (most recent call last): ... > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/sqlalchemy/dialects/postgresql/psycopg2.py", line 690, in import_dbapi > import psycopg2 > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2/__init__.py", line 51, in <module> > from psycopg2._psycopg import ( # noqa > SystemError: initialization of _psycopg raised unreported exception Something is broken in psycopg2-binary. Try in your venv ``` pip install --force-reinstall psycopg2-binary\<2.9 ``` In your venv you need ``` python -c 'import psycopg2' ``` to succeed (i.e. return without reporting an error). -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Congrats & MM3 Development Plans Request - Take 2

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/21/24 10:34 AM, David Wilson wrote: > > As someone who is quite interested in the Mailman3 development plans, I > tried to follow the link you provided but with no success. It timed > out. Is that still a valid or the best link? It should work. > Can you also please point me to the best source or site to get a general > understanding of short and long term *MM3 development plans*, including > various upcoming GSOC projects, including yours. You might try this one - https://wiki.list.org/x/17892316 which should take you to the top of the GSOC page. If that times out, it could be some kind of firewall issue at your end. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Django administration - User permissions

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/29/24 11:18 AM, advorkin(a)cs.princeton.edu wrote: > > So, just to be clear, in order for someone to have an ability to create/delete a mailing list, they must be a superuser? The reason I'm asking is for security purposes and making sure that specific user has only minimal access. Currently that's true. It should be possible for a domain owner to create a list in that domain, but currently I don't think it is. > What are those Django permissions for...? Is there a use for them? Those permissions correspond to database tables, and I think they allow actions on those tables through the django admin UI. They do not (currently at least) allow any Postorius or HyperKitty UI actions. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Announce Only List

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/14/20 12:40 PM, Allan Hansen wrote: > I set the Default action to take when a member posts to the list to ‘Discard.’ > and set the Moderation option for the few allowed posters to ‘Accept immediately (bypass other rules). Which works until someone who wants to post to or spam the list realizes that all they need to do is spoof the From: address to be one of the addresses that sent posts that they received. A more secore, but more tedious solution is to set the authorized poster's moderation action to hold and then approve valid posts. Or leave everyone's moderation action at list default and post with an Approved: <password> (pseodo)header. See <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rules/docs…>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Member Issue Discovered

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/28/20 1:42 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > > This is a bug with Affinity which I have scheduled to be fixed. However > I am confused. Data is completely removed from Mailman 3 core when you > delete the account via Postorius but not when you unsubscribe from a list? Why do you keep bringing this up? The current design of Mailman core does not remove the user when the user unsubscribes from a list, even if it is their only subscription. We know you don't like this behavior, but there are reasons for it. On the other hand, when a user removes their account, the circumstance is different and we do remove the user's information in this case because that's what the user asked for. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: New Mailman 3 installation issues

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/18/21 1:21 PM, sarah.hartt(a)ionica.ca wrote: > > I am getting new entries in the django logs. > > /opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log > > ERROR 2021-05-18 20:08:38,893 3078109 django.request Internal Server Error: /accounts/login/ > Traceback (most recent call last): ... > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/compressor/templatetags/compress.py", line 82, in render_offline > 'is the original content:\n\n%s' % (key, original_content)) > compressor.exceptions.OfflineGenerationError: You have offline compression enabled but key "fa788b08b65fd318d68cfc5afebc18acd3e93cebffadb54d863572ad1754f368" is missing from offline manifest. You may need to run "python manage.py compress". have you run the commands: ``` mailman-web migrate mailman-web collectstatic mailman-web compress ``` The last of these is not in the doc - I'll fix that - and may be the issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius fails to show list because of a large message being held

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/21/21 4:42 PM, dancab(a)caltech.edu wrote: > > I'm considering the settings below for gunicorn.cfg > > [gunicorn] > OK > # No of seconds to wait before killing the worker processes. > graceful_timeout = 600 I don't think this is relevant. It only affects the delay before killing a worker when gunicorn is restarted, but I suppose it won't hurt. > # Timeout for the requests. > timeout = 900 I wonder if this is really the issue. Do you have tracebacks from these timeouts? I think there may be something else causing this that increasing the timeout won't solve. Maybe some database locking deadlock or similar issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Backup and restore a single list

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/17/22 22:08, sherin(a)raidm.com wrote: > Hi Mark, > Which database store the list data and archives. I am using Mailman3 with Hyperkitty. Does the hyperkity store the mails of the list ? I can write a python script to import the data. I am at the end of completion of a fully pyhton based modern hosting control panel ( better than cpanel ) and at the final stage of backup and restore procedure. Mailman core's database is defined in the `database` section of mailman.cfg. ``` mailman conf -s database ``` The database for HyperKitty, Postorius, django_mailman3 and other Django modules is defined in the `DATABASES` dictionary in Django's settings. Normally these define the same database as the tables don't conflict. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman messages are getting a TAG in some email clients.....how????

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/12/23 8:51 AM, bob B via Mailman-users wrote: > So I know about the setting "Anonymous list" but regardless of that setting some email clients put the list name in [] when it displays messages in your inbox. Does anyone know how email clients are doing this? I have users who email clients do not do this, and was wondering if it is a setting in their client or just not possible. This looks like Mailman adding 'Subject prefix', so all list mail will have this prefix added to the Subject:. So the question isn't how mail clients are adding it, but rather why do some mail clients suppress it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderator e-mails only going out once a day

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/3/25 12:45, jkoral(a)luc.edu wrote: > Hi Mark and Stephen, > Is there anything else that I can look for or can you make any other suggestions? First, verify admin_immed_notify with this mailman shell interaction ``` $ /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman shell Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. >>> for mlist in getUtility(IListManager): ... print(f'List {mlist.fqdn_listname} ' ... f'Immed notify {mlist.admin_immed_notify}') ... <output here> ``` Then, send a message to the list that will be held for moderation and check mailman.log and the MTA log for clues. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

11 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: New year releases!

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/4/23 14:41, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 1/4/23 13:54, Dan Caballero wrote: ... >> File "/var/www/mailman-www/urls.py", line 20, in <module> >> from django.conf.urls import include, url >> ImportError: cannot import name 'url' from 'django.conf.urls' >> (/opt/mailmanve/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/conf/urls/__init__.py)" > > > In Django 3.1 django.conf.urls.url was a deprecated alias to > django.urls.re_path and in Django 4.0 it was removed. See, e.g. > <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/3.2/ref/urls/> and > <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.0/ref/urls/>. > > However, the above Traceback doesn't identify which module contains the > > from django.conf.urls import include, url Looking more closely, I see that it does. It is /var/www/mailman-www/urls.py. That file probably has contents like ``` from django.conf.urls import include, url from django.contrib import admin from django.urls import reverse_lazy from django.views.generic import RedirectView urlpatterns = [ url(r'^$', RedirectView.as_view( url=reverse_lazy('list_index'), permanent=True)), url(r'^postorius/', include('postorius.urls')), url(r'^hyperkitty/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), url(r'', include('django_mailman3.urls')), url(r'^accounts/', include('allauth.urls')), # Django admin url(r'^admin/', admin.site.urls), ] ``` That needs to be changed to ``` from django.contrib import admin from django.urls import include, reverse_lazy, re_path from django.views.generic import RedirectView urlpatterns = [ re_path(r'^$', RedirectView.as_view( url=reverse_lazy('list_index'), permanent=True)), re_path(r'^postorius/', include('postorius.urls')), re_path(r'^hyperkitty/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), re_path(r'', include('django_mailman3.urls')), re_path(r'^accounts/', include('allauth.urls')), # Django admin re_path(r'^admin/', admin.site.urls), ] ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Converting discussion list to read-only list (settings)

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/14/19 5:40 PM, Paul Arenson wrote: > > Uh-oh: I AM LOST AGAIN. (will all caps give me a larger font?) Messages in HyperKitty on this list (but probably not yours as this is still an experimental feature) are rendered with a subset of Markdown (see, e.g., <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markdown>) If you look at <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…>, the things which are in large font are that way because you underlined them with hyphens as in Second Level Heading -------------------- This only affects rendering in HyperKitty. I read this list by email so the posts I receive are plain text and I see the above as something like Second Level Heading -------------------- -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: re-sending confirmation mails (was Re: Re: pending subscriptions lost?)

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/15/22 15:20, Andreas Barth wrote: > > Debian (as all distributions) freezes their packages when releasing, > that's why it's called stable. If someone wants newer packages, it's > possible to use stable-backports (see below). > > Debian oldstable has mailman3 version 3.2.1. > Debian stable has mailman3 version 3.3.1. > > So, in this case, the version in Debian oldstable is used. Which is, > well, a bit behind stable, because oldstable is one release behind > from the current stable. I understand that, but even Debian sid has mailman3 3.3.3-1 and mailman3-web 0+20200530-2 which are quite old for a package like Mailman 3 which is still in active development. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating from mailman-suite to mailman-web

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/4/22 09:09, Andrew Hodgson wrote: > Hi. > > Any pointers in migrating from Mailman-suite to Mailman-web? I'm interested specifically in configuration changes required to Gunicorn in order to bring up the Django project using Mailman-web. mailman-suite is really just an example containing a Django settings file and urls.py and wsgi.py. mailman-web is a package which installs Mailman's web UI including HyperKitty and Postorius. Neither of these addresses the wsgi server per se. It could be Gunicorn, uWSGI, Apache mod_wsgi or possibly something else. Apparently you are using Gunicorn and want to continue to do so. I think the only required changes to Gunicorn might be file system paths. What specifically are you concerned about? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Which file does 'account_login' in login.html point to?

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/8/25 09:31, Kim Sunggun via Mailman-users wrote: > In /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django_mailman3/templates/account/ > > <form class="login form-horizontal" method="POST" action="{% url 'account_login' %}"> #<-----------Here See /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/account/urls.py which contains ``` urlpatterns = [ path("login/", views.login, name="account_login"), path("logout/", views.logout, name="account_logout"), path("inactive/", views.account_inactive, name="account_inactive"), ] ``` and the `account_login` url points to `login` /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/account/views.py The templates in /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django_mailman3/templates/account/ are essentially all redefinitions of those in /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/templates/account/ for the purpose of adding django_mailman3 styling. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

10 months, 1 week

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