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[MM3-users] Re: Thread IDs on messages incrementing per reply?

by Thomas Ward

Is there a way to oerhaps custom-plugin my way through to set this up as an integration into Core? And specify the custom handler process or such to allow that integration? I see that there are ways to code plugins into existence so it may be a custom-processor plugin or such for this purpose. Replies to threads would still have the corresponding RFC headers and such for replies and would properly get Hyperkitty to index threads properly, but subject munging on this case might be something I would custom-code into the system if that's doable. Thomas On 10/18/23 18:03, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/18/23 14:54, Thomas Ward via Mailman-users wrote: >> >> Is there any way to have Subject based thread tagging, etc.? I ask >> this only because we're trying to thread items for easy ID in a >> system right now that does thread ID tagging in the subject line >> (i.e. "[Test-0000004] Something" and "Re: [Test-0000004] Something" >> are identified as the same thread, but a brand new message >> "Something" would end up as "[Test-0000005] Something" in the chain >> if it was a new message.) > > > It is not possible with the current design. > > The issue is the tagging is done by Mailman core and Mailman core > knows nothing about threads. >

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Rafael Mora

I thought I could not configure Mailman, but with Kyle and Mark help and support I could. So, I don't want to be demeaning as you also said but maybe we could try, maybe you can also help, if it turns too complicated I will use mailchimp, but let me try before givin' up, don't you think?? El sáb., 22 jul. 2017 a las 9:01, Simon Hanna (<simon.hanna(a)serve-me.info>) escribió: > On 07/22/2017 03:46 AM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > Can I use it for mailing lists? like MailChimp? > > > > El vie., 21 jul. 2017 a las 20:34, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) > > escribió: > > > >> On 07/21/2017 06:07 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: > >>> I want to use Mailman to send emails to our customers. > I would highly recommend using a service like MailChimp. > MailChimp has a decent free tier and if you are above that, > I'm not sure if you can handle configuring Postfix the right way. > It's not my intention to be demeaning or anything, but it sounds like > that would be a little too complicated for you... > (I wouldn't want to manage a Mailserver in charge of tens of thousands > of emails per month) > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

9 years

[MM3-users] Re: unwanted chunked delivery

by mm3-omf＠sh.werbittewas.de

Am 07.01.22 um 21:33 schrieb Mark Sapiro: >> nevertheless, we've tried to set it to a high value, but even this >> doesn't change anything in behaviour. > > Right, because chunking isn't arbitrary. Chunking is done by recipient > domain. The addresses are placed in `buckets` by TLD. All `.com` goes in > one bucket; `.net` and `.org` in another; `.edu`, `.us` and `.ca` in a > third, and all the rest in a fourth. thanks for this info. > My question is why is this important to you? See the FAQ article at well, most of these 81 users are handled on our local system, but with different domains and TLDs (mainly 80% .de and 20% .org/.net). therefore we don't see any benefit in chunking here, especially in case 50% of the chunks are unused (.com,.edu/.us/.ca). to simplify our logging-analysis in case of problems it seems beeter for us to have one entry for delivery to list-server and one entry for delivery from there. > https://wiki.list.org/x/4030582 (which is for Mailman 2.1 so it talks > about SMTP_MAX_RCPTS which is what max_recipients used to be called) > which suggests a much smaller number. I understand, why chunking may have benefits perhaps in most situations, so it's set as default, but it would be great, to have the possibility to disable this without patching code, which might get overwritten with an update. omf.

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Rafael Mora

Postfix is listening on 127.0.0.1:25 is it ok? or should listen on 0.0.0.0:25?? El mar., 1 ago. 2017 a las 16:34, Abhilash Raj (<raj.abhilash1(a)gmail.com>) escribió: > > > > On Tue, Aug 1, 2017, at 02:29 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > Hello Abhilash, > > I have this in my settings.py file: > > > EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' > EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost' > EMAIL_PORT = 25 > #EMAIL_HOST_USER = 'mailing(a)labbrands.com' > #EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD = '******' > > > This looks good to me. > > > What should I use in user and password?? Does Django use postfix to send > the email??? > > > I think you don't need a password and username as long as your postfix is > configured to relay local emails without authentication (which it is by > default if you installed from distro packages and if you haven't changed > the settings). > > > Thanks > > > > > El mar., 1 ago. 2017 a las 16:20, Abhilash Raj (<raj.abhilash1(a)gmail.com>) > escribió: > > Hi, > > > > On Tue, Aug 1, 2017, at 02:11 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > It's ok now, but still I can't make it send the confirmation email > > > > This is from mailman.log: > > > > > > [mailman@localhost logs]$ tail -f mailman.log > > Aug 01 15:59:18 2017 (2327) lmtp runner started. > > Aug 01 15:59:18 2017 (2333) virgin runner started. > > Aug 01 15:59:18 2017 (2332) retry runner started. > > Aug 01 15:59:18 2017 (2330) pipeline runner started. > > Aug 01 15:59:18 2017 (2325) command runner started. > > Aug 01 15:59:19 2017 (2328) nntp runner started. > > Aug 01 15:59:19 2017 (2326) in runner started. > > Aug 01 16:01:38 2017 (2331) 127.0.0.1 - - "GET > > /3.0/lists?count=0&page=1&advertised=true HTTP/1.1" 200 90 > > Aug 01 16:01:38 2017 (2331) 127.0.0.1 - - "GET > > /3.0/lists?count=10&page=1&advertised=true HTTP/1.1" 200 90 > > Aug 01 16:01:38 2017 (2331) 127.0.0.1 - - "GET /3.0/domains HTTP/1.1" 200 > > 90 > > > > > > > > > > What should I do? > > If you are talking about Account confirmation emails, they usually are > sent out from Django and not Mailman Core itself. > > To configure Django you need to edit the `settings.py` file, wherever > that is one your installation. If you are following the guide mentioned > at http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html, it should be at > `mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/settings.py`. > > To configure your Django to send emails, have a look at > > http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html#setting-up-email-required > . > > That documentation page has pretty much everything you need in order to > have a running Web Frontend, please go through it and make sure you have > everything configured. > > Finally, the actual emails from Mailing lists are supposed to be handled > by Core. You need to configure Postorius & Mailman both to communicate. > The settings are mentioned > http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-core.html#configuring-mta > here. > > > Hope that helps! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > El mar., 1 ago. 2017 a las 15:36, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) > > escribió: > > > > > On 8/1/17 1:14 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > > > > > > > Why does it say Address already in use? > > > > > > > > > Because you are starting lm tp runner and it's already running. > > > > > > Do 'mailman stop'. Then ensure no Mailman processes are running. kill > > > any if necessary. Then do 'mailman start'. > > > > > > -- > > > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > > > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Mailman-users mailing list > > > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > > > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > > > > -- > > > > Atentamente / Best Regards > > > > Ing. Rafael Mora > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailman-users mailing list > > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > > -- > thanks, > Abhilash Raj > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > -- > > Atentamente / Best Regards > > Ing. Rafael Mora > > > -- > thanks, > Abhilash Raj > > -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

9 years

[MM3-users] Re: more about spanish translations

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

On 19/2/21 18:33, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: > On 19/2/21 18:26, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> On 2/19/21 5:09 AM, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users >> wrote: >>> I would like to translate it all, but as said, I cannot find where >>> to do >>> it. I wonder if it's comes from another package as allauth or something >>> like this. >> >> Yes, it does come from allauth, specifically >> allauth/templates/account/email/email_confirmation_message.txt. >> >> The Spanish allauth message catalog is at >> <https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/tree/master/allauth/locale/es/LC…>. >> >> I suppose you could submit a pull request to update it. >> >> Or you could just update your local file in your installation. >> > I will do both: first translate locally. Test it, and then see if I > can share it with the rest of the people (and then I will not have to > worry to maintain it when next upgrades come) I went first with the translation in github and the pull request. Let's see if it's approved and then how to upgrade locally. > > Thanks a lot, as always, Mark. > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Core, Hyperkitty and Postorius releases

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 12:47 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 5/14/21 2:16 PM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > root@gw:/usr/home/wash # ls -al /usr/local/include/sass > > total 104 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Apr 16 16:49 . > > drwxr-xr-x 176 root wheel 10240 Apr 19 18:05 .. > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 2369 Apr 8 11:08 base.h > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 10742 Apr 8 11:08 context.h > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 6632 Apr 8 11:08 functions.h > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 6489 Apr 8 11:08 values.h > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 198 Apr 8 11:08 version.h > > > > I imagined I needed an executable. > > > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Apr 16 16:49 sass > > > Those are headers for compiling some sass. Possibly you actually have a > `sassc` installed in which case you may need > > COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = ( > ('text/x-scss', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), > ('text/x-sass', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), > ) > > This change makes the error I was getting to go away. However, I cannot login to manage lists, even after restarting mailman. The error details are here: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/vM2c5WYyJ4/ -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v "^$|^.*#" :-)

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: REST API authorization failed

by tlhackque

On 10-Jan-22 13:30, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 1/10/22 1:58 AM, Axel Rau wrote: >>> >>> Anyway, the above is saying that restadmin:??? doesn't match what's >>> configured in Mailman core and reported by `mailman info`. Please >>> check carefully that these are the same in both mailman.cfg >>> admin_pass and settings MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS. >> >> Yes, again with password disclosed: >> - - - > ... >> (mailman_33) [root@lists5 /usr/local/mailman3]# grep admin >> var/etc/mailman.cfg >> admin_user: restadmin >> admin_pass: restpass > > Does `mailman info` show the same password? A common issue that may (or may not) be in play here is leading/trailing whitespace and/or non-spacing control characters. It may be worth making the output (& input) use quotes & escaping, where the input should accept non-spacing controls, leading/trailing whitespace, and non-traditional interior whitespace (e.g. nbsp, numsp, NoBreak, tab) only in escaped form. By escaped form, I mean one or more formats like HTML's  , or Python's at https://python-reference.readthedocs.io/en/latest/docs/str/escapes.html When dealing with user quantities, if it looks like a space, it should be a space. And if you can't see it, it shouldn't be there (using escapes to make the invisible visible is fine). ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: "Unsubscribe all" button

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 10/20/22 17:32, Philippe B wrote: > > Would it be possible to add a confirmation screen after you click > > on it? Like: WARNING! Clicking "Confirm" will empty the list of > > all its existing members, regardless of what was entered on the > > previous screen. That operation cannot be reversed. Are you > > absolutely sure that you want no one to be on your list anymore? > > There is a confirmation screen although it is not as strongly worded as > you suggest. I'll go check the issue, but let me say I think a confirmation screen is bad UI here. People who know what they're doing shouldn't have to pay the price of a confirmation screen. I know of at least two universities where they "unsubscribe all" from thousands of class mailing lists every term. Of course they automate that pretty quickly when they get to thousands, but it seems plausible to me that such lists for groups that regularly turn over (nearly) 100% of subscribers are a reasonably common use case. Instead, there should be a check for selected users, either disabling the "unsubscribe all" button itself (if we decide to implement more Javascript in the UI) or presenting the confirmation screen if there are any selected users. Also, at least for native speakers, "Unsubscribe everyone" will probably be a better label for the button.

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: SpamAssassin and clamav?

by Jeremy Stanley

On 2024-03-15 18:50:32 -0700 (-0700), Marisa Giancarla via Mailman-users wrote: > On 3/15/24 18:40, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > On 3/15/24 17:52, Marisa Giancarla via Mailman-users wrote: > > > Is there a way to have mm3 use SpamAssassin and/or clamav? > > > Marisa > > > > It would require custom code modification to invoke SpamAssassin > > and/or ClamAV from mailman. It is much better to integrate these > > in the MTA. > > Ok sounds good... A big reason this is the preferred approach is that your MTA, if appropriately configured, can scan incoming messages before deciding whether to accept or reject them into its delivery queue. For messages rejected at receipt, this means legitimate senders whose messages were incorrectly misclassified get useful error messages in the NDR generated by their own mail provider, while spoofed spam and malware doesn't generate backscatter to unwilling victims and put your own server at risk of getting listed as a spam source. If Mailman were in charge of checking for spam or malware, its only options would be to silently drop offending messages (providing no feedback to senders of misclassified messages) or reject them (causing your MTA to generate an NDR which often times ends up either part of a coordinated attack against some victim organization or sitting undeliverable in the queue because that address is at an unreachable domain). These are obviously undesirable, even actively harmful, results. -- Jeremy Stanley

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Google Summer of Docs

by Abhilash Raj

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019, at 11:58 PM, Terri Oda wrote: > > > On March 24, 2019 10:51:07 p.m. PDT, "Stephen J. Turnbull" > <turnbull.stephen.fw(a)u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote: > >Ralph Seichter writes: > > > * Mark Sapiro: > > > > >> > If you post an issue at > ><https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues>, > > > > one of our GSOC aspirants may pick it up. > > > > > > Done, although I wonder if any GSOC participant would want to write > > > documentation instead of code... ;-) > > > >For their actual, Google-supported, project, Google explicitly > >excludes documentation. > > > > They do for Google Summer of **Code** but they've just announced Google > Summer of **Docs** which sounds really neat and we might want to > participate. They are calling it Season of Docs, happening in winter I think Sept-Dec AFAIK. Yep, we should participate in that, I sent out an email earlier about this too. > > (It's my personal opinion that our docs have really suffered since I > finished my PhD and stopped using them as a warmup exercise when I was > procrastinating on writing my thesis. *grin*) > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

7 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Error Logging - what changed with the New Year releases?

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sat, Jan 14, 2023 at 7:13 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 1/14/23 01:19, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > Apart from all the defaults in settings.py (derived from gitlab), I also > > have this line: > > LOGGING['handlers']['file']['filename'] = > > '/opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/mailmanweb.log' > > > > Before the New Year releases of MM3, I used to get errors written to this > > file. > > Not anymore after I updated to the New Year releases. > > Another thing that I have realized is that prior to the New Year > releases, > > I would get an error logged to that file and also mailed to me. > > I don't think that I have changed anything in settings,py related to > > logging. > > > Nothing in those releases per se would affect this. This is Django and > django-allauth. Perhaps when you updated the Mailman packages, you also > updated these dependencies. > Which dependencies would those be? When I upgraded, the command I ran was: pip install --upgrade --force mailman mailmanclient postorius hyperkitty mailman-hyperkitty django-mailman3 And how do I find out what is suppressing the logging for the social accounts? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Importing config and archives only partially succeeded?

by Eric Broens

`mailman qfile` on the 5 pck files that were in the /out directory looked OK, although I am not sure if I should have looked at something specific. The bak file disappeared as soon as I stopped mailman. When I started mailman again the name of the bak file had changed, and it changed every time I listed the directory.After stopping and starting mailman once more it didn't appear anymore. There are also 6 files in the shunt directory. I don't know what this directory is used for. For now I have disabled the hourly jobs.I will rebuild the search index for each mailinglist separately since the update_index was apparently killed before it finished. Best Regards,Eric On Sunday, December 13, 2020, 06:18:21 PM GMT+1, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: On 12/13/20 7:11 AM, Eric Broens via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi Mark, > 1.Regarding the repeated access of /archives/api/mailman/urls seems to be related to mailman not being able to open port 25. > This is weird because other mails have been distributed. > The mailman log shows:Dec 12 22:16:48 2020 (1471) ACCEPT: < message id > > Dec 12 22:16:52 2020 (1474) Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25 That message is in response to a socket.error exception in attempted delivery. It is logged only once until there is a successful delivery, but the message keeps being retried. > webserver logs:<host > - - [12/Dec/2020:22:16:50 +0100] "GET /archives/api/mailman/urls ?mlist=...&key=*** HTTP/1.1" 200 64 "-" "python-requests/2.25.0" > <host > - - [12/Dec/2020:22:16:52 +0100] "GET /archives/api/mailman/urls?mlist=...&msgid=< message id >&key=*** HTTP/1.1" 200 105 "-" "python-requests/2.25.0" > This last entry is repeated forever (until I stop the mailserver for a few minutes, but later on this happens again for other mails too). Those GETs are part of normal message processing. As I said, they result from core handlers asking HyperKitty for the URL at which the message will be archived so they can add that URL to the Archived-At: header and maybe to a message header or footer. Presumably the one that keeps repeating is the one message/message-id that is throwing the socket.error and being continuously retried. I would stop Mailman and move that one .pck or .bak file out of Mailman's var/queue/out/ directory and then start mailman. You can then examine the queue entry with `mailman qfile` and maybe see what the issue is. > 2..Regarding the mails on the archive page, for most of the lists it is solved now. So probably one of the periodic jobs fixed that.The mailinglist which showed 0 participants 0 subscribers, does show now 0 participants 66 discussions.I have checked the member tables, and the members for this mailinglist are included there. OK. > 3.What I notice now too is that the hourly runjobs tasks don't seem to finish.I would have to check what they exactly do. Can I somehow activate logging for these? > mailman 300042 300016 1 08:00 ? 00:09:18 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/django-admin runjobs hourly --pythonpath /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project --settings settingsmailman 302158 302149 2 09:00 ? 00:09:10 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/django-admin runjobs hourly --pythonpath /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project --settings settingsmailman 304513 304506 2 10:00 ? 00:09:38 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/django-admin runjobs hourly --pythonpath /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project --settings settingsmailman 308631 308620 3 11:00 ? 00:09:29 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/django-admin runjobs hourly --pythonpath /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project --settings settingsmailman 312847 312832 3 12:00 ? 00:09:15 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/django-admin runjobs hourly --pythonpath /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project --settings settingsmailman 317343 317332 4 13:00 ? 00:09:20 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/django-admin runjobs hourly --pythonpath /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project --settings settingsmailman 320079 320072 7 14:00 ? 00:09:08 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/django-admin runjobs hourly --pythonpath /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project --settings settingsmailman 322618 322610 13 15:00 ? 00:08:54 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/django-admin runjobs hourly --pythonpath /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project --settings settingsmailman 325205 325198 84 16:00 ? 00:06:56 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/django-admin runjobs hourly --pythonpath /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project --settings settings /opt/mailman/venv/bin/django-admin runjobs --list will show you what the jobs are. The hourly jobs are new_lists_from_mailman, thread_starting_email and update_index. The one running long is almost certainly update_index. I would stop running the hourly jobs until you have successfully updated the search index for all lists. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Confirm and Moderate Unsubscribe Requests

by Brian Carpenter

On 10/21/20 5:39 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/21/20 12:14 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> >> Well I can't dictate that to my list owners and there is no confirm >> token sent with the moderation notice. Why include this option in >> Postorius when it can't be properly handled? > > Postorius is still a work in progress. The unsubscription policies are > in core and are exposed in Postorius. Certainly the ability to moderate > an unsubscription should be in Postorius, but it isn't yet. We are an > all volunteer project and there aren't that many of us, and perhaps I'm > overreacting, but the tone of some of your recent posts seems a bit > demanding. I apologize. I didn't think I was coming across demanding but I am somewhat exasperated at some of these issues. I have a list owner who is now going to get a moderated request notice everyday that he can't do anything about it. But my question still remains: why is this option in Postorius when it can't be handled properly? Surely the option can be easily removed, right? Is the ability to list (via the pending moderation notices tab) and handle (as in the List owner can decide a moderation response) an unsubscribe moderation request there in Mailman core so that I can properly address it via Affinity? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Emergency moderation and clearing out a lot of held messages

by Abhilash Raj

On 12/14/22 03:31, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 12/13/22 10:38, Dan Caballero wrote: >> Hi Mark, >> >> I ran the commands and it took about 35 seconds for the loop to run. >> >> Here's the result. >> >>>>> count >> 4168 > > > So that's at least part of the issue. How does 35 seconds compare to the > length of time to process one moderated message through Postorius? > It seems it has to do with in-efficient lookup of the actual entry in the pendings table which needs to be purged after handling a held message. It scales linearly with how many entries are there in pendedkeyvalue and pendings tables. I was actually browsing through the perf metrics on mail.python.org and found the slowest API response from Core is handling held messages and spent some time last night trying to improve it [1]. The linked MR should significantly reduce the time, although there is more that can be done to make it even better. I haven't had a chance to benchmark my solution yet, but I am hoping it will reduce the latency quite significantly. I'll report on the linked issue [2] after deploying [1] on m.p.o. how much it helped. [1]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1068 [2]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1045 -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: New domain cannot set set host

by Alain D D Williams

On Thu, Nov 28, 2024 at 01:04:13PM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > I did not see this y/day and created the entry in table django_site using SQL. > > This might be the cause of the other problems that we have been talking about. > > > It's not likely that this is the cause. It is fixed - the mail list works. I had forgotten to put the reverse proxy into the Apache config -- this is what led to the many, rapid retries. I had a problem for a while in the nothing to one particular list was sent to users. This had several users who's delivery status was 'disabled' (correctly, as on the old instance). If was only after a lot of fiddling (trying to delete from the list) that it started to work for the others. There are still rough edges, eg trying to delete a list member gives a server error. In /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log I see a 404: "DELETE /3.1/lists/chat.bray.phcomp.co.uk/member/a.chentouf(a)hotmail.com HTTP/1.1" 404 26 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" I am not to worried about that today, will look at it in the future. Thanks for your help -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Confirmation emails to Users has wrong domain name (example.com!)

by Odhiambo Washington

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 8:31 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 9/29/21 9:50 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > 1. Confirmation emails to Users has wrong domain name (example.com!) > > <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/faq.html#id1> > > < > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/faq.html#confirmation-emails-to-users-h… > > > > > > This happens when your reverse (SSL) proxy isn’t setting up the correct > > headers when proxying requests. Fix this by setting the right > > proxy_set_header directives: > ... > > How is this supposed to be mitigated in Apache when using WSGI? > > > > My config: > > > > WSGIDaemonProcess hyperkitty threads=25 python-path=/usr/local/mailman > > user=mailman group=mailman > > WSGIPythonHome "/usr/local" > > WSGIProcessGroup hyperkitty > > > You are using mod_wsgi and not proxying at all, so this is not relevant > in your case. > > Are you actually seeing this issue? If so, it might be related to > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/faq.html#the-domain-name-displayed-in-h… > My issue is related to this, but the documentation referred to is not for the faint-hearted! I can't make head or tails of it. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' :-)

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: search this list searches more then just this list

by Marco van Tol

Op 24 jan 2024, om 12:24 heeft Marco van Tol <mvantol(a)ripe.net> het volgende geschreven: > Op 23 jan 2024, om 19:09 heeft Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net <mailto:mark@msapiro.net>> het volgende geschreven: >> >> On 1/23/24 05:49, Marco van Tol wrote: >>> Small unfortunate twist, this leads to: >>> --- >>> [ERROR/MainProcess] Failed indexing 204001 - 205000 (retry 5/5): Term too long (> 245): ... >>> --- >>> I have seen comments on that from back in 2020, but what’s the latest advise on how to deal with this? >> >> This issue is discussed at <https://github.com/notanumber/xapian-haystack/pull/181>. >> There are two patches for this issue. They are somewhat different approaches, but either one is OK. One patch is the one in the above PR <https://github.com/notanumber/xapian-haystack/pull/181/files>. The other is at <https://github.com/alexsilva/xapian-haystack/commit/a53523d2d0d13929a0729d4…>. >> >> I use the one from the PR, but it requires a substitution `s/force_text/str/`. > > Hi, thanks! Just to double check, do you mean `str` or `force_str` in the substitution? > > I found a comment on this topic regarding django-4 where they advice to use force_str. > https://stackoverflow.com/questions/70382084/import-error-force-text-from-d… Hm, never mind, sorry. I now see the current file already has str() rather than force_text() in it. Marco

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Can disabled users enable themself?

by Flo

On 7/2/26 11:06 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > What are your list settings for bounce processing? With a list that > apparently only gets one post in a few months, the default settings > > Bounce score threshold = 5 > Bounce info stale after = 7d > > will not disable delivery for any one as disabling would require 5 > bounces with no more than 7 days between any two bounces. > > For your above scenario, you might want something like > > Bounce score threshold = 4 > Bounce info stale after = 60d > To make it more clear: This list is promoting events, 2-3 in spring and 2 in fall and two towards the end of the year. For each event one (or maybe two) emails are sent. I thought I will use the following settings: Bounce score threshold 2 Bounce info stale after 60d Bounce disabled warnings interval 60d Bounce disable warnings 5 If there are bounces at two events the account will be disabled. Afterwards mailman should check every 60d if this continues. In this case it is done by sending out emails. Then I'd wish that the user is enabled if email doesn't bounce anymore. But since this is not the way it works, the user needs to take action and email the owner of the list to be enabled again. If this is not done (IE: mails are still bouncing), the user is to be removed. That's my plan. Flo

1 month, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman shell tutorial

by Andrew Bernard

Thanks Mark, The omission of the code to make the examples work seems to need correction. Perhaps I can submit an update to the project. Had me scratching my head for a long time. Obviously I knew there were imports etc missing, but what to put? I have this going, and it is great. But I recall seeing something called mmclient or similar which has simple commands like show user, show lists, and so on. Is that still available? Now knowing how mailman shell works, anybody could write their own commands, but I don't want to reinvent wheels. Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> > Sent: Tuesday, 11 June 2019 1:26 PM > To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > > Perhaps you saw the `command('mailman shell --details')` line in the docs at > <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/docs/s > hell.html#getting-detailed-help> > in any case, that requires two things to precede it. The first is part of the > doctest infrastructure and is not evident in the docs. that step is > > from mailman.testing.documentation import cli > > The second step is in the docs and is > > command = cli('mailman.commands.cli_withlist.shell') > > If you do those two steps within `mailman shell`, then the step > > command('mailman shell --details') > > will work, but as I said, this is just the same as doing `mailman shell --details` > at a command prompt.

7 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Post-installation documentation?

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 11/24/21 9:40 AM, David Newman wrote: > > > > IMO post-installation docs for list admins would be a big help in > > Mailman3 adoption. I'm willing to help with this. > > > Thank you for being willing to contribute. +1 > I think the place for list admin docs would be in the > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite-doc project which is the > source for https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/. +1 > Here are the steps to migrate a 2.1 list named `alist(a)example.com` and > its archives. This is documented at https://docs.list.org/en/latest/ (prominent link in sidebar). This appears to be completely different from https://docs.mailman3.org/ (and https://mailman.readthedocs.io/ which I guess is just a redirect). But it looks like the sources are in the some gitlab repo?! > > And I don't know where to add list members. I guess it would be a good idea to provide an image of the menu tree for Postorius. > Did you specify the list's fqdn as in > https://www.example.com/archives/list/list@example.com/ That's not an FQDN, though. "example.com" might be one, but that whole thing is the URL to the archive. Pedantry aside, I think we should probably have a Mailman-specific glossary for many terms, including the tests we use for validation. In this case, FQDN appears to be "sequence of characters not containing '@' or '/'." Steve

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Walk-thru for Ubuntu Bionic Mailman 3 Full setup

by kisner＠live.com

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 7/8/22 8:28 AM, kisner(a)live.com wrote: > > I tried to follow that guide ( https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html ), but I couldn't get it to work. I'd have to try it again to see where it broke. One thing that I got past was I had to change: > > (venv)$ pip install wheel mailman psycopg2-binary<2.9 > > to > > (venv)$ pip install wheel mailman psycopg2-binary==2.8.6 > > and that got me past that part, > > I don't understand why that would make a difference since the latest > psycopg2-binary<2.9 is 2.8.6 > > but hyperkitty/mailman-web pip install has components that failed to install. I'm not sure why, someone smarter than me could probably have figured it out, but as written it wasn't working for me. > > If you do try again, post the specific issues/error messages and we will > try to help. Just out of curiosity and to try to improve the doc I can do this a little later. But I can tell you for sure the pip install psycopg2-binary<2.9 command failed for me on Ubuntu 22.04 and Debian 11.3. I'm not saying it's *not* me, and I don't know when the last time that doc was updated but I couldn't get it to work on a few different distros.

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Trouble importing a Mailman 3 Postgres database into a new Mailman 3 instance (Docker)

by skenny＠scss.tcd.ie

Mark Sapiro wrote: > > My point was after you remove the newly minted mailmandb database and > then create a new blank one, and import into that, you should then run > manage.py migrate to apply any new migrations to the imported database. Ah, right ... ok, I've done that now, and all's good. Actually, I've noticed something related. It looks like the mailman-web container runs manage.py as part of its startup procedure in any event. After the import completes, I start up the mailman-web container and, its logs say this: mailman-web | Operations to perform: mailman-web | Apply all migrations: account, admin, auth, contenttypes, django_mailman3, django_q, hyperkitty, postorius, sessions, sites, socialaccount mailman-web | Running migrations: mailman-web | Applying auth.0012_alter_user_first_name_max_length... OK mailman-web | Applying django_q.0014_schedule_cluster... OK mailman-web | Applying hyperkitty.0022_mailinglist_archive_rendering_mode... OK mailman-web | Applying postorius.0014_auto_20210329_2248... OK mailman-web | Applying postorius.0015_auto_20210619_0509... OK mailman-web | Applying postorius.0016_auto_20210810_2157... OK If the container is restarted again, it shows that there's nothing to do this time: mailman-web | Apply all migrations: account, admin, auth, contenttypes, django_mailman3, django_q, hyperkitty, postorius, sessions, sites, socialaccount mailman-web | Running migrations: mailman-web | No migrations to apply. These latter diagnostics are also what I see if, at this point, I enter the mailman-web container and run "manage.py migrate" explicitly. I really appreciate the help, thanks so much.

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: Add an extra option for "Delivery status" for users?

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 11/19/25 12:50 PM, Thomas Ward via Mailman-users wrote: > > We have a unique case where we have a user we want to disable for mail > > receiving, etc. for the reason "Disabled by IT Security Team" but I > > don't even know if it's possible to add a delivery status that is that > > custom. > At a minimum, you would need to add that choice to the > DeliveryStatus(Enum) in mailman/interfaces/member.py and the choice and > its description to the DELIVERY_STATUS_CHOICES tuples in > postorius/forms/fields.py. I don't know offhand if that would be > sufficient, or if more would be required. In postorius/views/user.py, you also need to add it to `UserPreferencesView,delivery_status_disabled_fields`. Otherwise users will be able to reenable from a security disable. In Mailman core, it's not absolutely necessary, but I think you should handle it the same as `by_moderator` in mailman/commands/cli_members.py, mailman/commands/cli_addmembers.py, and mailman/commands/cli_syncmembers.py. The mention of `by_moderator` in mailman/utilities/importer.py is irrelevant since the new `by_security` (or whatever you call it) doesn't exist in Mailman 2. In mailmanclient, you *may* want to update docstrings in mailmanclient/asynclient.py and mailmanclient/restobjects/mailinglist.py. -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

8 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Weird response to postings after subscriptions and accounts

by tokyoprogressive＠mailbox.org

Thank you Mark. I will need to find time tomorrow to create two totally new email accounts that I can use in tests so I do not inadvertently sign up again with the same address. Also will double check my settings. Best regards Paul Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 17, 2019, at 14:39, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> On 9/16/19 9:22 PM, Paul Arenson wrote: >> In my test of the two forms of signup, I am getting these unexpected results. Is it my settings or is something weird within the program itself? >> >> 1) https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/postorius/lists/discuss.list.tokyoprogres… >> >> 2) Choose "You can also subscribe without creating an account. If you wish to do so, please use the form below" >> >> 3) Then I have to approve it. They get "Welcome to the "Discuss" mailing list! To post to this list, send your email to: discuss(a)list.tokyoprogressive.org > > > You have to approve it or the user has to confirm her email address? > Maybe you have to approve it because the lists Subscription Policy is > Moderate. > >> 4) But I have to approve it.I assume this is because they do not yet have a real account. And they should be listed as a NON MEMBER? > > > No. They will be a member, they just will not have a Django account that > they can log in to. > > >> 5) But even when they sign up here: https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/accounts/signup/?next=%2Fpostorius%2Flist… they get an email from my provider (NOT MY LIST????) as follows: >> >> "Hello from mailman3.emwd.com! You're receiving this e-mail because user iCloud has given yours as an e-mail address to connect their account. >> To confirm this is correct, go to https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/accounts/confirm-email/MTE3:1iA44k:E7w7xh… Thank you from mailman3.emwd.com! mailman3.emwd.com" > > > Because when you create a Django account, you have to confirm your email > address. > > >> 6) And this is where it gets weird. If they send from their email program and get the welcome (Welcome to the "Discuss" mailing list! >> To post to this list, send your email to: discuss(a)list.tokyoprogressive.org You can unsubscribe or make adjustments to your options via email by >> sending a message to....... I then get a notice: >> >> "Your mail to 'discuss(a)list.tokyoprogressive.org' with the subject test notice Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The message is being held because: The message is not from a list member" > > > What is Message Acceptance -> Default action to take when a member posts > to the list ? > > You get the notice or the user gets the notice? > > >> 7) While if they send FROM THE interface it goes through. >> >> 8) What I am confused about. >> >> Signing up for an account should make them a member, right? Subscribing should make them a non member, no? > > Signing up for an account is just signing up for a Django account. You > can sign up for an account and log in and then subscribe to the list. > > Subscribing makes one a member whether or not you subscribe from a > logged in account or subscribe without creating an account. > > >> But here it seems that both make them a non member. > > If an address which is not a member posts to the list, that address > becomes a non-member. This is the only way other than being explicitly > added by an admin that an address becomes a non-member. > > >> And worse, someone with an account sending from the Interface has their message get through while the same person sending from an email program has me get a notice that a non member is trying to post. > > > If by sending from the interface, you mean posting via hyperkitty, the > user must have an account and be logged in to do that. > > Your "same person" may have multiple entities within Mailman, possibly > subtly different email addresses, one of which is a member and one of > which isn't. > > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

6 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Welcome message template errors

by Mark

On 2024-05-01 13:35, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 4/30/24 17:54, Mark wrote: >> >> In the new installation, are the template.uri (in the mailman DB) >> records written as http://localhost:8000/... ? > No. In both the installation that worked and the one that didn't, they > were https://msapiro.net/..., but I don't think it would have > mattered. > > When I reinstalled, I kept the same database, I only rebuilt the venv. > > As I have said at > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…, > this is all strange. My logs from the failure show the web server > getting the request and serving the template with a 200 status and > then after 5 seconds which is the specified timeout a > requests.exceptions.ReadTimeout error is logged in mailman.log. > > The exact same code is executed whether by a rest runner gunicorn > worker or via some other Mailman core runner, but only the rest runner > fails. Further, a reinstalled venv on the failing server has no error, > and another server which has a venv identical to the failing one > except for Python micro version also has no error. > > I can't begin to understand what the underlying cause might be. Thank you Mark. I'll give rebuilding venv a crack. In the meantime I've cobbled together a script -- https://postmark.io/scripts/ -- and it's got things going for the moment. .

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Domain defaults for new lists

by Peter Chubb

>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> writes: Mark> On 1/29/26 14:04, Peter Chubb via Mailman-users wrote: >> >> Hi Folks, Is there a simple way to set up the defaults for any >> newly created lists? We've had a few cases recently where in the >> time between creating a mass-populated list and making it private >> it's been inundated with spam. Mark> Actually, I think the 'private-default' list style does almost Mark> all you want except for new members Mark> moderated. https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/871 asks Mark> for that to be changed, however the 'private-default' list style Mark> sets the subscription policy to confirm then moderate so Mark> spammers can't subscribe and post without their subscriptions Mark> being approved by a moderator. Thanks Mark --- how do I make that the default though? Admins are creating lists without changing the list style because they don't know or understand that they can or should change things. (and searching for 'defaults' in the docs didn't lead me to styles) Mark> You can implement a new list style to do exactly what you Mark> want. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/example-mailman-plugin for Mark> information about implementing a plugin to do that. Also see Mark> https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/styles/doc… Mark> for general information on list styles. Thanks for the pointers. I'll try ... Peter C

6 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: 'utf-8' codec can't encode characters

by Gilles Filippini

Gilles Filippini a écrit le 15/06/2020 à 22:05 : > Mark Sapiro a écrit le 15/06/2020 à 21:58 : >> On 6/15/20 12:37 PM, Gilles Filippini wrote: >>> >>> There are 4 emails stored into this folder. 3 of them are spam, and the >>> last one is a legitimate email. This is annoying that such emails could >>> accumulate and stay into var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ forever, causing >>> more and more hyperkitty errors. >>> >>> Any idea how to make their processing more error proof? >> >> >> Change the offending .encode() method to add errors='replace'. >> >> The traceback from the error should tell you where it is. >> >> You could also open an issue at >> <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues> for us to look at. If >> you do that, please include an error traceback if possible. If there is >> not a traceback in mailman.log associated with the error, there might be >> one in HyperKitty's log (configured in Django's settings). Also, >> including enough of a message to duplicate the issue is very helpful. > > I've now deleted the offending messages. Will open an issue with related > details the next time this error occurs. I've experienced this error again today. Filed issue #301. Thanks, _g.

6 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Mixing Mailman 3 with AWS SES

by Jim Popovitch

On Wed, 2021-03-24 at 10:57 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 3/24/21 7:58 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > > On 3/24/21 9:54 AM, Ralph Weber wrote: > > > Comments received directly from one of the people who developed the > > > AWS Marketplace kits for Mailman 3 and Mailman 4 have definitively > > > established that AWS Mailman is *not* intended to interact with AWS > > > SES when receiving email messages > > > > I don't think there is a Mailman 4 and the person who is marketing his > > services under that name is sending a confusing message to the public. > > Danil Smirnov owns both the mailman3.com and mailman4.com domains. > Mailman 4 is apparently his branding of "Mailman 3 in AWS Marketplace". > In response to our request, the following is included at the bottom of > <https://mailman3.com/>;: > > Mailman3.com (this site) is unaffiliated with Mailman3.org, the domain > used to coordinate development of the Mailman 3 free software suite. The > Mailman 3 core developers are not involved with Mailman3.com, and cannot > answer any questions or provide any support related to its operations. > If you are looking for resources for development of the Mailman 3 free > software suite, please see mailman3.org. > > Yes, this is all ripe for confusion ... Just to add, Danil also owns mailman2.com, and I own (and parked) mailman2.org. -Jim P.

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 Docker

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 at 18:55, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 1/6/19 6:54 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > If I could run MM3 using the apt-get install method, perhaps that would > > have made my life a bit easier, hoping that MM3 can actually be run in > > parallel with MM2.1 on the same host. Is anyone doing that already?? > > > Yes. I am on two production and one development machines. See, e.g. > <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/> and > <https://mail.python.org/mailman3/> > > One caveat here is I install both Mailman 2.1 and Mailman 3 from source > on all these machines. I don't know for example if the Debian/Ubuntu > packages play well together. > On my Ubuntu machine, I decided to install MM21 from source so I am willing to install MM3 either from source, package or docker. The sparse documentation is my undoing. > > See <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience> > for more on how I install MM 3. > I have seen that link, but it's missing a ton of details within the process. As I mentioned before, these virtualenv stuff are new to me too, so I thought dockernization would simplify things. If you could include the missing steps that you left out then I could possibly be able to follow the steps :-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-)

7 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: MTA setup

by Arte Chambers

Looks like the from header is the email address I am using for testing: From: Arte Chambers <paul.m.robey(a)gmail.com> ``` $mailman qfile /opt/mailman/mm/var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/1734973370.5060537+806f73d2a296b0293228a9489b81129740d7afea.pck [----- start pickle -----] <----- start object 1 -----> Received: from mail-lj1-f182.google.com (mail-lj1-f182.google.com [209.85.208.182]) by list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E36381ED2 for <testing(a)list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com>; Mon, 23 Dec 2024 17:02:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lj1-f182.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-3003e203acaso44323081fa.1 for <testing(a)list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com>; Mon, 23 Dec 2024 09:02:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1734973367; x=1735578167; darn= list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; 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Mon, 23 Dec 2024 09:02:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <77112962-9e9b-4692-bc81-05f1957fb823(a)smtp-relay.sendinblue.com> In-Reply-To: <77112962-9e9b-4692-bc81-05f1957fb823(a)smtp-relay.sendinblue.com > From: Arte Chambers <paul.m.robey(a)gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2024 12:02:08 -0500 Message-ID: <CAM05vAepJnJQengX825dZ4E1PVVxeEgv4ogUcmifP9tqh1i= mg(a)mail.gmail.com> To: Arte Chambers <paul.m.robey(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000021f3da0629f2f7aa" Message-ID-Hash: T3RQI2JNPUFO4WGGVSJTMYLTHPGOXOAG X-Message-ID-Hash: T3RQI2JNPUFO4WGGVSJTMYLTHPGOXOAG X-MailFrom: paul.m.robey(a)gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: testing(a)list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [Testing] Re: test 12.23.24 11.57 List-Id: For testing mailing list software < testing.list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com> Archived-At: <> List-Archive: <> List-Help: <mailto:testing-request@list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com ?subject=help> List-Owner: <mailto:testing-owner@list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com> List-Post: <mailto:testing@list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com> List-Subscribe: <mailto:testing-join@list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:testing-leave@list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com> --00000000000021f3da0629f2f7aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you, Paul 'Arte Chambers' Robey 502-408-6922 On Mon, Dec 23, 2024 at 2:24 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/23/24 09:01, Arte Chambers via Mailman-users wrote: > > Output from mailman log after sending a test message to the list: > > > > Dec 23 16:52:23 2024 (684048) Traceback (most recent call last): > > File > > > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", > > line 158, in _archive_message > > url = self._send_message(mlist, msg) > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > File > > > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", > > line 228, in _send_message > > raise ValueError(result.text) > > ValueError: > > <!doctype html> > > <html lang="en"> > > <head> > > <title>Bad Request (400)</title> > > </head> > > <body> > > <h1>Bad Request (400)</h1><p></p> > > </body> > > </html> > > mailman_hyperkitty is sending the message to hyperkitty to be archived > and receiving the 400 response. Presumably it has previously requested > and received the list_url and the permalink to put in the message > headers. This can be confirmed by the presence of List-Archive: and > Archived-At: headers with values in the messages from the list. So the > configuration seems to be correct to allow mailman_hyperkitty to > communicate with hyperkitty. It is not clear why, but this code > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/views/mailma… > is getting the ValueError. That can come from one of three places in > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/lib/incoming…. > > The lack of a Message-ID: is not it because Mailman's lmtp runner will > add one. Most likely it is the non-ascii sender address from > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/lib/incoming… > > What do you get from > ``` > mailman qfile var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/xxx.pck > ``` > where xxx.pck is one of the (hopefully smaller) files. In particular, > what is the From: header in that? > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to paul.m.robey(a)gmail.com >

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Held messages not delivered after approval

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > Actually, there's more involved in the pipeline between the > to_archive and to_outgoing handlers. The to-digest, to-usenet, > after-delivery, acknowledge and dmarc handlers are all invoked > between to_archive and to_outgoing IIRC all of the shunted messages that Stephen looked at with qfiles were those special digest messages (ie, message component empty, pointer to lists/$LIST/something.mmdf in the msg_data component). So something is going wrong in the to-digest handler. I don't understand why the original .pck would disappear without either leaving an error log or delivering. (Hmm, @Stephan, have you looked at your "vette" log? it is a separate log in your mailman.cfg I think.) The number of .tmp files lying around bothers me. AFA grep CS, the only place that can happen is in switchboard.py:136 in .enqueue: with open(tmpfile, 'wb') as fp: fp.write(msgsave) pickle.dump(data, fp, protocol) fp.flush() os.fsync(fp.fileno()) os.rename(tmpfile, filename) where `msgsave` is already a pickled object. So either pickle.dump is choking on something in data (the metadata, which I believe is all primitive Python data types), or something (OOM kill?) is happening at the OS level. A crash in pickle.dump should leave an exception log and backtrace in the logs. AFAIK, Mailman does not clean up .tmp files at startup, right? -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Problem with digests not being sent daily

by Mark

On 2024-06-23 00:51, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> Nothing showed up in /opt/mailman/mm/var/lists/<LISTID> > > Probably because (in Postorius) Settings->Digest->Enable Digests is No Double checked that Enabled Digest s= Yes >> Then, as "mailman", I ran "mailman digests --periodic" manually and >> got the same error (as expected since there is nothing there) ... > This error should not occur if there is no digests.mmdf. It only does > occur because you have set Digest size threshold to 0 under the > assumption that 0 means unlimited which it doesn't. If you don't want > digests sent on size, you need to set Digest size threshold to a very > large number. > > I've created https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1158 to avoid > throwing the exception, but setting the threshold to 0 is still wrong Oh? I was indeed assuming that 0 meant unlimited. The threshold was set at 0. My thinking was that meant the file size was not a factor in determining when the digest was sent and that the sending would be triggered by the daily cron. When I set the threshold very low - 10kB - it sends a digest on every post. So my understanding of what you are saying is: if the threshold is set very large, say 100,000 kB - then a digest will be be sent by the daily cron even if it is smaller than 100,000 kB. Am I understanding correctly?

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius claims 2 messages held when there are none - out of sync

by Ken Alker

--On Monday, June 26, 2023 5:26 PM -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 6/26/23 4:19 PM, Ken Alker wrote: >> >> What else is stored in /var/messages, if not archives? I see 4711 >> messages in that directory (which I presume would be as many messages >> are in the archive database). If there is a write-up on this, feel >> free to point me to it. I found >> <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/build/lib/mailman/ >> model/docs/messagestore.html> but this isn't really answering my >> question. > > > These are probably artifacts from your old Debian package. There have > been issues in the past with handled messages not being removed from the > message store. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/257 > > This was fixed in 3.3.5 and the task runner implemented in 3.3.5 removes > orphaned messages from the message store, but if they are still > referenced in pendings they won't be deleted. So is the only thing stored in var/messages/ the held messages, and nothing more? Is there an outline as to how to clean up the var/messages hierarchy? (I assume one has to be careful not to remove current held messages and maybe old ones that have not been processed; or maybe "old ones" can all be assumed orphaned, and thus, removed w/o concern?)

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Setting up on ubuntu server 22.04

by Odhiambo Washington

On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 3:45 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 10/3/23 06:00, Kyriakos Terzopoulos wrote: > > > > However, I cannot find the mailman/setup.py anywhere in order to patch > it, > > since the installation was done through pip from here: > > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst… > > > > Maybe I can try upgrading python from 3.10 to 3.11 and re-install > > > Upgrading Python won't help. There is currently an incompatibility issue > when following > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html because that > doc is based on the head of the GitLab branch, but `pip install > mailman3` installs the 3.3.8 released version of core and the latest > 6.1.0 version of importlib_resources and these are incompatible. > > There are two ways to fix this. > > The easy way is to downgrade importlib_resources in your venv with > ``` > pip install importlib_resources\<6.0 > ``` > The slightly more complex way is to upgrade mailman core to 3.3.9b1 from > GitLab with > ``` > pip install -U git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman.git And I think the 'slightly more complex way' is a better choice as it lets one not get stuck with old software versions :) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Default moderation for new members

by Seth Seeger

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019, at 9:33 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > I’d like to have new members who join my lists have their posting ability set to moderated. (After their first legitimate post, they would set to be unmoderated.) I haven’t been able to find this, though I’m suspecting the language has changed. > > > In Postorius set Settings -> Message Acceptance -> "Default action to > take when a member posts to the list" to Hold for moderation. > > This is the action which will be taken for a post from a member whose > individual Moderation is List Default as it is for all new members. > > Then when a post from that member is held, if you click the subject in > the held messages view, a dialog opens showing the message content with > Accept, Reject and Discard buttons and a dropdown list you can use to > set that member's Moderation to Default processing. > > Default processing is generally what you want as it bypasses the > moderation hold but still applies other tests such as header filters, > administrivia, implicit-dest, max-recipients, max-size, etc. So I've set my "Default action to take when a member posts to the list" to "hold". I'm just unclear on what I want to set each member's moderation action to... defer or accept? (I've been reading the docs, but I'm not clear on the difference.) Thanks, Seth

6 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Creating superuser - problem with documentation or it's just me?

by Odhiambo Washington

On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 at 07:03, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 7/27/20 6:48 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > So now I have tried to see if there is such option from django-admin, > but: > > > > (venv) [root@gw /opt/mailman/mm]# django-admin --help > > > You must run /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin. If you run these commands > in your venv, you run the ones in /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin which dont > have all the pointers to configuration and settings. It's OK to run > /opt/mailman/mm/bin/* with your venv active, but if you just give the > command name, you get the wring one. > So, I should run /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin with a valid argument, right? Like /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin createsuperuser ... How do I get all the available arguments for django-admin? That is what I was attempting to do by passing --help to it. > You also must have the empty /opt/mailman/mm/__init__py so that imports > of /opt/mailman/mm*.py modules will work as I said at > < > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > > This is quite clear now. Thank you. It wasn't clear at what point in the installation process this file needs to be created. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-)

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: using SSH/TLS with external MTA

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sat, Jul 27, 2024 at 11:34 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 7/27/24 13:05, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > > > > ASMTP works on the premise of "we can relay mail for you if we can > > authenticate you with certain credentials" > > Adding the IP to "hosts we can relay mail for" negates the need to > > authenticate, IMHO. > > So I am still waiting for how MM3 does ASMTP. Does it? > > > If by ASMTP, you mean SMTP AUTH, Mailman does it if smtp_user: and > smtp_pass: are provided in mailman.cfg. > > > I agree that an authenticated user should be able to submit mail to be > relayed. Just guessing here, but perhaps the issue is the OP is > submitting to the deprecated port 465 instead of 587. > Port 465 is not quite depreciated. It's the decision of the Admin to decide to listen on/and accept SMTP AUTH on which port. On the servers I run, and based on Exim as the MTA, I accept SMTP AUTH On ports 465, 587 and 2525 (this is meant to subvert some ISPs!). But let's await Roland's response. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: Adding members to a mailman3 mailing list

by Onyeibo Oku

On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 08:53:23 -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > #!/bin/bash > exec /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/mailman \ > -C "/opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg" \ > $@ > Greetings Mark, I gave up on setting up mailman using option #2 while following https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/install.html (there are lots of unknowns on that route. Certainly, the packagers are considering a lot of things that are not immediately apparent to users). Perhaps, we will see elaborate guides/docs soon. In the meantime, I moved to option #3 (recommended for production). I hit a grey area when setting up the virtual environment. At https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst…, I see: $ cd /opt/mailman $ python3 -m venv venv The documentation imply that a 'user' creates the virtual environment but is not explicit about that 'user'. OUTPUT: Error: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/opt/mailman/venv' This is expected. Which makes me wonder ... hmm, how did you do it? (1) Is it better to have a dedicated user (say 'mailman') then use that while following the docs? I see a lot of docs referring to a 'mailman' user. Installing mailman3 from distribution repository introduced a 'mailman' user to my box (with special UID). There has to be reasons for that. (2) Should the setup proceed with 'root'? (why do I get the feeling that this is not the design?) (3) How about using an already existing local user? What are the implications? Regards Onyeibo

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to delete non-users

by Allan Hansen

Sure: >>> lm = getUtility(IListManager) >>> for l in lm: ... print(l.posting_address) ... >>> Nothing here, either. Yours, Allan On 9/17/22, 10:30 , "Mark Sapiro" <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: On 9/17/22 10:03, Allan Hansen wrote: > Hi Mike, > > Yes, the users can be subscribed, but they think that they can't because it seems they are until the moderator accepts them. > > I tried your script again, with nothing happening. So I tried this: > >>>> >>>> a = 1 >>>> b = 1 >>>> for l in lm: > ... print(a) > ... a = a+1 > ... for nm in l.nonmembers.members: > ... print(b) > ... b = b + 1 > ... nm.unsubscribe() > ... >>>> commit() >>>> print(a) > 1 >>>> print(b) > 1 > > > It appears that lm can't see the lists (I have 50+ of them). Did you start with lm = getUtility(IListManager) ? What if you do ``` >>> lm = getUtility(IListManager) >>> for l in lm: ... print(l.posting_address) ... ``` That should print the posting address for all the lists. What does `mailman info` show? In particular, for `config file:` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Footer variables

by Washington Odhiambo

On Mon, Mar 2, 2026 at 8:23 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 3/2/26 05:03, Washington Odhiambo via Mailman-users wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2026 at 3:41 PM Stephen J. Turnbull <steve(a)turnbull.jp> > > wrote: >> > >> Have you tried using "$hyperkitty_url" instead of "${hyperkitty_url}"? > >> > > > > I have now removed the curly braces. Let me see what follows. > > > That shouldn't matter. It should work with or without the curly braces. > > Is there anything relevant in mailman.log? Does Mailman have permission > to access > /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/ > kictanet.lists.kictanet.or.ke/en/list:member:regular:footer.txt? > I will have to check the mailman.log. What should I look for? Right now it looks so clean - without anything to worry about. Yes. all files in /optmailman/ are owned by mailman:mailman In the OP you said "in my posts, it's blank". Do you mean the entire > footer is blank or is it just that ${hyperkitty_url} is replaced with > nothing and the rest of the footer is OK? > Only the ${hyperkitty_url} is replaced with nothing. I suppose there may be another way to get the end result, no? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

5 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Change digest frequency and default threshold

by Henrik Rasmussen

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 9/21/18 6:21 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: > > When Digest Size Threshold is not reached, mails seems to be sent > > according to digest_volume_frequency': which is set to 'monthly'. The web > > interface doesn't seem to have a setting for this. > > No. digest_volume_frequency only controls how often the digest volume > number increments (and issue number resets). > > In order to send periodic digests, you need to run 'mailman digests > --periodic' via cron. Currently I am running Mailman version 3.2.0a1 which doesn't seem to have a --periodic option. When running "docker exec mailman-core mailman digests --send --verbose -l listname(a)lists.example.com", output is "listname.lists.example.com sent volume 11, number 4" and this increases each time, but even I do approve held mails, none are sent (according to the smtp.log and docker logs posrfix). As I understand, using --sent should send a digest immediately (except when used with --dry-run). As the default Digest size threshold was 30KB, making very small digests being sent, I increased this (for test) to 5000 KB (or is it Kilo bits, as the text says "How big in Kb should a digest be before it gets sent out?"? Could Digest size threshold have any impact on why no digests are sent even I run "docker exec mailman-core mailman digests --send --verbose -l listname(a)lists.example.com" or is this an issue in the version I am using? -- Henrik Rasmussen

7 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Getting connection timed out

by blackout69

Il 22/05/21 23:52, Mark Sapiro ha scritto: > It's probably not blacklisting. It's not getting that far. Your `glugct` > is attempting to connect to port 25 at mail.simail.it and the connect is > not being answered. Normal blacklisting will not occur until after the > remote MTA answers the connect and determines the IP of the caller. And > in any case, if it is some kind of blacklisting it is your `glugct` > server that is blacklisted by mail.simail.it. > > I just did the following > ``` > $ telnet mail.simail.it 25 > Trying 217.27.113.30... > Connected to mail.simail.it. > Escape character is '^]'. > 220 mail.simail.it ESMTP ready. > quit > 221 mail.simail.it closing connection > Connection closed by foreign host. > ``` > so it did answer my connect. In any case, this is not a Mailman issue. > It is between Postfix on your server and the remote server at > mail.simail.it. Thanks Mark for the reply, I had already checked with the telnet command on port 25 and everything is fine. The suspicion of the blacklist came to me, but now, after checking https://mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx I saw that the mail.simail.it server is in the SORBS SPAM blacklist. Because my lists work fine on any other mailing address. I also checked my email server reputation at https://www.mail-tester.com and I get 10/10 Apparently it doesn't depend on my postfix server. In this case, what strategy do you recommend? Thank you -- blackout69

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 reinstall fail, need some help

by Yvan ♞

Maybe an idea of my problem as I have pgadmin app installed, it could be in conflict to create a postgresql db? Le 13/03/2022 à 13:46, Yvan ♞ a écrit : > Yes, always this folder file problem, if I create the folder, when > trying install > answer is "mailman allready installed" > https://paste.yunohost.org/raw/avaweyiqom > Still searching... But I'm really not an expert... > Yvan > > Le 12/03/2022 à 21:32, Mark Sapiro a écrit : >> On 3/12/22 08:38, Yvan ♞ wrote: >>> Yes it's debian and I have root access but it's a more "user >>> friendly" server release. >>> I tryed this but it block >>> https://github.com/YunoHost-Apps/mailman3_ynh/blob/master/README.md >>> >>> https://yunohost.org/en/administrate/whatisyunohost >>> Sincerely >> >> I don't read French very well, but your original logs at >> https://paste.yunohost.org/raw/xiqoyajegi and >> https://paste.yunohost.org/raw/hujesebita show installation failing >> because it fails to create /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg. >> >> This is either an issue with the Debian package or the YunoHost >> installer or an incompatibility between them. >> >> I would go first to YunoHost for help and then to Debian if necessary. >> > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: applying patch 1130

by David Newman

On 8/21/23 7:57 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 8/21/23 12:45 PM, David Newman wrote: >> >> I'm looking to patch an existing production server running 3.3.8 so >> it will be able to start under Python 3.11 on Debian 12. Thanks in >> advance for additional clues on what seems like a fairly standard >> problem. > > Since !1130 is merged, just `pip install` from the gitlab head. > ``` > pip install git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman@head Perhaps something else is needed first? This is on a Debian 12 system upgraded from 11, with MM3 3.3.8 installed in a venv. (venv) mailman@x12:~$ pip install git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman@head Collecting git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman@head Cloning https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman (to revision head) to /tmp/pip-req-build-wjge_v67 Running command git clone --filter=blob:none --quiet https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman /tmp/pip-req-build-wjge_v67 warning: redirecting to https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman.git/ WARNING: Did not find branch or tag 'head', assuming revision or ref. Running command git checkout -q head error: pathspec 'head' did not match any file(s) known to git error: subprocess-exited-with-error × git checkout -q head did not run successfully. │ exit code: 1 ╰─> See above for output. note: This error originates from a subprocess, and is likely not a problem with pip. error: subprocess-exited-with-error × git checkout -q head did not run successfully. │ exit code: 1 ╰─> See above for output. note: This error originates from a subprocess, and is likely not a problem with pip. Thanks dn

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Can't post to my own list from HyperKitty

by MegaBrutal

Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> ezt írta (időpont: 2025. ápr. 7., H, 19:23): > What is the exact email address that you are logging on to the web UI > with. Does it match exactly with the address of a list member or are > there mixed-case differences? You might try an interaction like this: > ``` > mailman-web shell > Python 3.12.8 (main, Dec 21 2024, 12:52:28) [GCC 9.4.0] on linux > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. > (InteractiveConsole) > >>> from django_mailman3.lib.mailman import get_mailman_client > >>> client = get_mailman_client() > >>> list_id = 'test.example.com' # your actual list_id > >>> rest_list = client.get_list(list_id) > >>> email = 'user(a)example.com' # your actual email > >>> member = rest_list.get_member(email) > >>> member > This should print something like > <Member 'user(a)example.com' on 'test.example.com' with role 'member'> > ``` > This is exactly what HyperKitty is doing except in your case > rest_list.get_member(email) is throwing a ValueError exception instead > of returning the member. I get: <Member 'megabrutal(a)gmail.com' on 'the.correct.list.address' with role 'member'> So it's even weirder – however, I'm really not sure if this is the address HyperKitty is checking for, as I have 3 attached to my account! How may I know which one it's trying to use?

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: spanish localization

by Victoriano Giralt

On Fri, 2021-02-12 at 12:24 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > If the manage.py in the directory in which you ran this is the > correct one for your Mailman Django project, I don't know why it > didn't work. Me neither :-( That's why I asked, and probably Guillermo, as well. > Is your Mailman installed in a virtualenv? If so, was the virtualenv > activated? No virtualenv. Mine is deployed using system python on a CentOS 7 system, toghether with another in house developed low requirements Django project, both served by uWSGI vassals. And then, all of a sudden, while I was writting this, it dawned on me! Postorius, Hyperkitty and django-mailman are installed with pip, so, the end up in the site-packages directory (usually /usr/local/lib/python3.x/site-packages), but, normally, django projects are deployed somewhere in the web server hierarchy (/var/ww/django in my case, due to old personal tastes), and applications properly defined in the settings.py for the project. So, the message files are out of reach for manage.py. Changing to /usr/local/lib/python3.x/site-packages/X (with X being postorius, hyperkitty and django_mailman3) and using django-admin compilemessages all works! Thanks for pushing my thoughts in the right direction! -- Victoriano Giralt Innovation Director Digital Transformation Vicerectorate University of Malaga +34952131415 SPAIN ================================================================== Note: signature.asc is the electronic signature of present message A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure ? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email ?

5 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius no connection to REST API

by Richard Rosner

Mark Sapiro wrote: > > Because those aren't the settings that matter for this. > What if anything are your settings in the mailman.cfg [webservice] > section for > hostname: > port: > admin_user: > admin_pass: > use_https: > (defaults in our distribution are localhost, 8001, restadmin, restpass > and no respectively - I don't know if Debian changes these). > These need to match the Django settings > MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = 'http://localhost:8001' > MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = 'restadmin' > MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = 'restpass' They do match. Even the port (still on 8001). > > The REST API is apparently not listening on the host/port this is trying > to connest to. Apparently. The question is why. > > What is executing the manage.py command to start Django. Is it user list? Probably. It depends on who is calling it. I understand too little of the new architecture. But mailman3.service is run as list, mailman3-web.service as root. > > I don't use uwsgi and know little about it so I don't know what the Unix > domain socket /run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock connection is for, but this > appears to be some miscunfiguration between apache and uwsgi. > Normally, in an apache/uwsgi configuration, apache proxies to uwsgi via > tcp port 8000 and uwsgi is configured with > [uwsgi] > uwsgi-socket = 0.0.0.0:8000 I too have no experience in the combination ow apache and uwsgi. The only other uwsgi app I'm running is on another server and running under nginx.

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: How to Increase outgoing mail volume for Mailman 3

by Brian Carpenter

On 11/10/20 4:40 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/10/20 1:22 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: >> Brian specified: >> >> verp_personalized_deliveries: no >> >> Doesn’t that default back to regular mass delivery, as opposed to individualized VERPed envelopes, which mandates individual deliveries? > > That depends on the setting of verp_delivery_interval. If > verp_delivery_interval = 1, every message will be VERPed regardless of > verp_personalized_deliveries. If verp_delivery_interval = 0 and > verp_personalized_deliveries = no, deliveries won't be VERPed as you > note. If verp_delivery_interval = 0 and verp_personalized_deliveries = > yes, only personalized deliveries (i.e. individual messages, not > digests, from lists with Personalization enabled) will be VERPed. > > The theory is VERPing has a cost because it requires a separate message > sent to each recipient rather than a single message with multiple > recipients, but personalization also requires a separate message sent to > each recipient, so those can be VERPed at no extra cost. > > But to be clear, automated bounce processing does not require VERP. It > just works a tiny bit more reliably with VERP. We actually enable VERP by default on all new installations of Mailman 3 as we don't see a real performance hit and its benefits are generally very good. This new list however was a whole different beast. Also due to the nature of the list, the benefits of VERPing pales in comparison to the timeliness of the mail being sent. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: spanish localization

by Victoriano Giralt

On Fri, 2021-02-12 at 12:36 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > Why do you say the .mo files are old. The timestamps are all Feb 3 > 02:47 which is when the package was built for PyPI. Because my brain goes faster than my fingers and I say the reverse of what I mean. I meant .mo files, all .po where properly dated, and I reversed the meaning of my thoughs while typing. Thanks for brining my confussion to my (and everybody's) attention, and my appologies for the noise. > When things are changed on weblate, we get automatically generated > merge requests to update our source. We don't always merge them > immediately, but we certainly do merge all the outstanding ones > before making a release. I'm 95% certain that I edited messages after Nov 7th in the Spanish translation of both mailman, postorius and hyperkitty, but the .po file is dated Nov 7h. Actually, I did a review of outstanding strings when Abhilash annonced the RC for the current version. That is why I was bit surprised. But then, it may be me and my faint memory. And, of course, I'm very grateful and happy with all the work that is being done on Mailman3. -- Victoriano Giralt Innovation Director Digital Transformation Vicerectorate University of Malaga +34952131415 SPAIN ================================================================== Note: signature.asc is the electronic signature of present message A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure ? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email ?

5 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: aborted connection

by Sandor Dibuz

On 2/20/22 01:56, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > First, If your Mailman core version is >= 3.3.5, you shouldn't be > running gatenews via cron. Mailman's nntp runner runs it. See > https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.… > > But, that probably isn't it because in Mailman >= 3.3.5, running > gatenews via cron should produce this error > > The gatenews command is run periodically by the nntp runner. > If you are running it via cron, you should remove it from the crontab. > If you want to run it manually, set _MAILMAN_GATENEWS_NNTP in the > environment. > > > However, since you have no lists using a news->mail gateway, you don't > need to run gatenews at all so just remove it from the crontab. I installed Mm3 from Debian stable distro packages as one of the suggested installations methods in Mm3 docs. It's a bit of dated though I know but it was the easiest and fastest. Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.9.2 (default, Feb 28 2021, 17:03:44) [GCC 10.2.1 20210110] So I disabled gatenews cron job. Maybe later I bite the bullet and upgrade to a recent version (either venv or docker haven't decided yet) but will have to learn how to avoid conflicts with already installed deb packages first. So far so good and everything works, have to check changelogs if an upgrade is worth it. Thank you all your help, Mark. Sanyi

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Permission denied for fulltext_index

by Jan Eden

On 2022-11-27 08:01, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/27/22 00:35, Jan Eden via Mailman-users wrote: > > > > – but the existing directory /opt/mailman/fulltext_index (and its > > contents) are readable and writeable by mailman:mailman: > > > > > drwxrwxr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Nov 27 08:00 fulltext_index/ > > > > > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 4473 Nov 27 08:00 _MAIN_65.toc > > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 15456 Nov 27 08:00 MAIN_bc0cs2aohovftat6.seg > > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 15454 Nov 27 06:00 MAIN_brbo8i8edmlz0za4.seg > > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 15462 Nov 27 07:00 MAIN_ewnemc7lsnodd3y7.seg > > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 157324 Nov 27 04:00 MAIN_qag60g1rrumshtc2.seg > > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 15459 Nov 27 05:00 MAIN_w6e0ohurasusy61d.seg > > > -rwxrwxr-x 1 mailman mailman 0 Nov 24 16:00 MAIN_WRITELOCK* > > > > I fail to see where haystack tries (and fails) to create the directory. > > FWIW, deleting threads is not a problem. > > It is uwsgi trying to do this. What user is it running as? Maybe you need to > add that user to the `mailman` group. That's what baffles me – uwsgi is run as the mailman user: mailman 3904667 1.3 0.5 129516 62188 ? Ss 18:33 0:00 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/uwsgi --ini /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini mailman 3904668 0.0 0.3 203248 48796 ? Sl 18:33 0:00 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/uwsgi --ini /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini mailman 3904670 0.8 0.6 220436 74464 ? Sl 18:33 0:00 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/uwsgi --ini /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini - Jan

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Strange password problem

by Eggert Ehmke

Am Freitag, 22. September 2023, 19:34:41 CEST schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 9/22/23 09:50, Eggert Ehmke via Mailman-users wrote: > > -I try to log in as admin > > -rejected because of wrong password (password is stored in browser) > > -used forgotten password function, using my email address > > -reset password to the stored value from browser > > -login works now. Works also when logged out/in again > > -however, the next day this behaviour repeats. > > So apparently the issue is that although you reset your login password > to a known value, it doesn't stick and reverts overnight to some other > value. Yes that it looks like. > Is this the Debian package or installed following > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html or something > else. Yes it is a virtualenv installation following that guide. > All I can think of is some cron may be resetting the password. If that's > it, it's probably a Debian thing. Can you see if there's any cron > running the Django admin changepassword command? Will try to find that. > If you set the password with the Django admin changepassword command, > does it stick? Never tried that, how do I do that? > Can you create another superuser with the Django admin createsuperuser > command and does that user's password stick? Will try that. So I can create another superuser? Does it need a separate email address? I guess yes Thank you for your ideas.

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 doesn't send Mails to users (Debian12 with Plesk)

by Odhiambo Washington

On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 11:28 AM Marcus Bautze via Mailman-users < mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > Hallo, > > Am 27.05.2024 um 14:33 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > > Enabling archivers is done in mailman.cfg similarly to > > ``` > > [archiver.hyperkitty] > > class: mailman_hyperkitty.Archiver > > enable: yes > > configuration: /opt/mailman/mm/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg > > Thank you, archiver is now starting. Now there's another problem: > > In mailman.log i'm finding: > > "Jun 06 10:16:16 2024 (3556489) ACCEPT: > <d3072553-2f52-4bd7-b14a-2701863812c7@***> > Jun 06 10:16:17 2024 (3556492) HyperKitty failure on > https://[URL]/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls: <html> > <head><title>403 Forbidden</title></head> > <body> > <center><h1>403 Forbidden</h1></center> > <hr><center>nginx</center> > </body> > </html> > (403)" > > in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg there is: > > base_url: https://[URL]/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls > The documentation says that mailman-hyperkitty.cfg should contain: [general] base_url: https://[URL]/archives api_key: S0m3SecretArchiverAPIKey In settings.py, you should have: MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = 'S0m3SecretArchiverAPIKey' The KEY is quoted in settings.py,m but not in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg and it must be the same in both files. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: spanish localization

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

On 13/2/21 20:00, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/13/21 2:33 AM, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: >> But... here is a thing that I can not understand: If the source (the .po >> file) is from november 7th, it doesn't matter how many times you >> recompile it: the result will be the same. > Correct, but the point is if you download the latest > gnu-mailman-mailman-es.po from weblate, and compare it to the Nov 7 file > in the distribution, you will find they are identical, so it it appears > that the weblate translation hasn't changed since that time. > > If there are issues in this mailman.po, they exist in weblate too and > need to be fixed there. That clarifies all. Thanks. As I said in my previous message, I'll wait for the next upgrade and hopingly the translations done after 7h of november (by others and me) will be there. > > Also note that the translations on weblate only affect strings in the > core code. The Mailman core templates are not currently translated in > weblate and there are currently no Spanish language templates. One would > need to create Spanish translations of all the templates in > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/tree/master/src/mailman/templates/en> > and submit a merge request to add them to a mailman/templates/es/ directory. > I will make the template translations locally, test them, and then, if they are yet lacking in the main repo, follow your suggestion. Thanks.

5 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Issues with importing archives from a particular list

by Philip Colmer

On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 18:01, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 1/13/22 4:33 AM, Prasanth Nair wrote: > > Hello, > > > > We are trying to import archives from Mailman2 to Mailman3. For a > > particular list, it is not importing all of the messages. We can see that > > Mailman2 has archives from 2015 to 2022. But, it only imports messages > from > > 2018 to 2022 to the Mailman3 server. It was not giving any errors while > > importing. > > > The problem list probably already had an archived message from 2018. If > you don't specify a --since= date for hyperkitty_import, it only imports > messages newer than the newest existing message in the archive. > > You can run it again with, e.g., --since=2000-01-01. It won't reimport > the messages already imported because of duplicate message ids. > Thank you, Mark, for your reply. It turned out that this wasn't an issue with any part of the Mailman 3 suite. Unbeknownst to Prasanth, the affected list had previously been migrated from a different server in 2018 but, for some reason, the mbox file was not copied over - just the pipermail archive directory was. That explains the split between the pipermail archives and the mbox file. Thankfully, the original server still had the older mbox file so we've now been able to import all of the messages into HyperKitty. Apologies for the noise. Regards Philip

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: REST API authorization failed

by Axel Rau

Hi Mark, thanks for your patience. > Am 10.01.2022 um 04:56 schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > > Anyway, the above is saying that restadmin:??? doesn't match what's configured in Mailman core and reported by `mailman info`. Please check carefully that these are the same in both mailman.cfg admin_pass and settings MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS. Yes, again with password disclosed: - - - (mailman_33) [root@lists5 /usr/local/mailman3]# service mailman restart Restarting the Mailman runners (mailman_33) [root@lists5 /usr/local/mailman3]# su -m www -c "curl -v -u restadmin:restpass http://localhost:8001/3.1/lists" * Trying 127.0.0.1:8001... * Connected to localhost (91.216.35.42) port 8001 (#0) * Server auth using Basic with user 'restadmin' > GET /3.1/lists HTTP/1.1 > Host: localhost:8001 > Authorization: Basic cmVzdGFkbWluOnJlc3RwYXNz > User-Agent: curl/7.80.0 > Accept: */* > * Mark bundle as not supporting multiuse < HTTP/1.1 401 Unauthorized < Server: gunicorn < Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 09:39:43 GMT < Connection: close * Authentication problem. Ignoring this. < www-authenticate: Basic realm="mailman3-rest",charset="utf-8" < content-type: application/json < vary: Accept < content-length: 77 < * Closing connection 0 {"title": "401 Unauthorized", "description": "REST API authorization failed“} (mailman_33) [root@lists5 /usr/local/mailman3]# (mailman_33) [root@lists5 /usr/local/mailman3]# grep REST settings.py MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = 'http://localhost:8001' MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = 'restadmin' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = 'restpass' (mailman_33) [root@lists5 /usr/local/mailman3]# grep admin var/etc/mailman.cfg admin_user: restadmin admin_pass: restpass (mailman_33) [root@lists5 /usr/local/mailman3]# - - - What am I doing wrong? Is something wrong with my installed python packages? pip freeze attached. clueless, Axel --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Help with fresh debian install

by Mark Dadgar

On Oct 5, 2019, at 12:22 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > You could just run, e.g., `sudo -u list bin/mailman import21 ...` which > will work even if 'list' can't log in. That’s what I get for being old school and just su’ing to the user. Thanks. > If you run hyperkitty_import --since=1990-01-01, that should do it. > Awesome - rerunning now. Thank you. > As far as "the archives for many months consist of just a single > identical thread", were there error messages when you ran the initial > import? Were there issues in the imported mbox that you have corrected? > Mailman 2.1's bin/cleanarch can help identify unescaped 'From ' lines > that cause problems. Yes, I ran the archive mbox through cleanarch before importing it. It’s a 24GB mbox file with 17 years of archives for a very active mailing list. > If unescaped 'From ' lines is the issue and you have fixed them, > rerunning the import should import the messages correctly, but it won't > delete the bogus threads. You can delete these threads manually in > HyperKitty if you are logged in as a Django superuser. Great - thank you. I see the occasional “table is locked” error (I am running against sqlite because I only run a couple of lists and I was having issues getting the postgres config working) so it skips the occasional message. We’ll see what happens this time. Your help is much appreciated. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

6 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Monthly Password Reminders

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Odhiambo Washington writes: > On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 8:21 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 2/2/23 06:29, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > Does MM3 send these monthly subscription reminders the way MM2 used to > > do? > > > I am looking for the setting, but can't find that in the list settings. > > > > No, it does not. > > The rationale behind the decision to toss away that feature? Security?? For the passwords, yes. It was frequently reported as a bug, in fact. Mostly the reminders generate requests to know how to shut them off. You're the first in probably a decade who's asked how to turn them on! While in theory we could protect in transit with SMTP over TLS, we can't guarantee end-to-end encryption (eg, if there's a .forward at the subscribed address), and while TLS is widely implemented, it's still not universal. And there's no way to protect unencrypted email from admins at the receiving host. Receiving encrypted email is pretty much not implemented at all, except in some specialized communities. Also, now that passwords (if they're used) are attributes of Users who may have several Addresses and worse, they may have admin privileges. So Mailman 3 passwords are generally higher value than in Mailman 2. I can imagine a use for the list of subscriptions part that a few users might like, but most folks would prefer not to get another regular mailing. Steve

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: autoresponse not sent

by Peter Sørensen

Thanks Mark, I found the mysql.py as you suggested and a few places more. /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/mysql.py /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/alembic/ddl/mysql.py /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/passlib/handlers/mysql.py /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django_extensions/management/mysql.py Could this be the problem ? Best regards Peter Sørenen University of Southern Denmark Den 19/10/18 18:47 skrev "Mark Sapiro" <mark(a)msapiro.net>: >On 10/19/18 8:21 AM, shadiakiki1986(a)gmail.com wrote: >> Hello. Newbie to mailman here. >> I tried out mailman3 today. My setup is >> - mailman3 suite using the docker-compose file from asynchronous.io >> - exim4 on the local machine and configuring it as smarthost using >>mailgun smtp server >> >> The emails to the mailing list are received by the subscribers, >> but the autoresponse is not being received by the sender (who is not >>from the subscribers list). >> I'm not sure if the problem is from mailman-core, settings from >>mailman-web, or from exim. > > >This is most likely <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/504>. The >fix has been in the master branch for a couple of months but is not in >3.2.0. It may be in the asynchronous.io "rolling release". > >-- >Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, >San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan >_______________________________________________ >Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

7 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: High memory usage

by Stephen Daniel

I'm not an expert, and you might be better served by posting this question in one of the communities that serves sysadmins; however, my reading says that the oom-killer is invoked when the system cannot allocate more virtual memory, not more physical memory. The graph in your screenshot is physical memory usage. The first thing I would try is increasing the size of your swap partition. That adds to the amount of available virtual memory, without the need for actually buying more RAM. If you really need more RAM the result will be that the system stays up, oom-killer stays quiet, but performance is bad and the "si" and "so" columns in vmstat get into the triple digits or higher. On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 3:18 AM Philip Colmer <philip.colmer(a)linaro.org> wrote: > Thank you for the replies from Mark and Stephen. > > One of the reasons why Prasanth & I are concerned with this specific system > is because the first time memory usage crept up, it got to the point where > oomkiller stepped in and, as is usual for that particular mechanism, one of > the processes it killed was sshd, thus removing access to the system :(. I > know that oomkiller can be tuned to stop it killing processes like sshd but > it will, nevertheless, start killing *some* processes if it sees an out of > memory situation. > > So, as Prasanth said, we doubled the memory available and stuck an alarm on > it to trigger when usage exceeded 85% for 5 minutes. I've saved a > screenshot of the monitored memory usage over the last couple of weeks: > > https://1drv.ms/u/s!Aq7dn8GDGLdCodsU-pybJBdckxWU1A?e=BJY1UA > > (It is stored on OneDrive in case you don't recognise the URL format) > > We changed the server on 4th February to the larger memory size. On 11th > Feb, it triggered the alarm and we rebooted the server. Memory usage is > starting to climb again, albeit not at the pace that it was previously. > > What is particularly curious for us is that we have four Mailman 3 servers. > Two of them are single domain and two are hosting two domains. This server > is one of the servers hosting two domains, but it is also the ONLY one of > the four servers exhibiting this memory pattern. By comparison, the memory > usage for the other server hosting two domains looks like this: > > https://1drv.ms/u/s!Aq7dn8GDGLdCodsVyEufkeQqit_cGA?e=ifrJHs > > The biggest difference we are aware of with the "problematic" server is > that some of the list archives are quite large by comparison with our other > servers. The largest is 15K messages, then 2K then 1K. The other three > servers have lists with relatively small archives by comparison (double or > triple digits at worst). > > Finally, and just FYI, we're using PostgreSQL for the database and Xapian > for the indexing engine. > > Regards > > Philip > > On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 at 16:36, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > On 2/15/22 08:11, Stephen Daniel wrote: > > > TL;DR: quite likely your system has plenty of memory and is operating > > > normally. > > ... > > > On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 5:28 AM Prasanth Nair < > prasanth.nair(a)linaro.org> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> We are having an issue with high memory usage on our Mailman3 server. > > >> Initially, our server had 16GB RAM and the memory usage went up from > 5% > > to > > >> 92% within a week. So, we increased the memory capacity to 32GB RAM > and > > we > > >> can see that the memory usage is going up in the same pattern. > > >> > > >> Any idea why it is happening? or any suggestions? > > > > > > Just for reference, mail.python.org supports 231 MM 2 lists and 182 MM 3 > > lists with 16 GB of ram and no swap. > > > > The server that supports this list and also the www.list.org web site > > has 4 GB of ram and no swap. > > > > -- > > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: no access to Postorius web pages after upgrade

by David Newman

On 10/22/23 2:16 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Here is the nginx error, with obfuscation of client and server info: >> >> 2023/10/22 10:43:24 [error] 2264140#2264140: *135 >> "/opt/www/roundcubemail/postorius/domains/index.php" is not found (2: >> No such file or directory), client: 1.2.3.4, server: >> lists.example.com, request: "GET /postorius/domains/ HTTP/2.0", host: >> "lists.example.com", referrer: >> "https://lists.example.com/mailman3/listinfo" > > > Here you are trying to get > https://lists.example.com/postorius/domains/, but (see below) > # begin mailman3 stuff >> >> location /static/ { >> alias /opt/mailman/web/static/; >> } >> >> location /mailman3/ { >> proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000; >> proxy_set_header Host $host; >> proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; >> } > Above you have defined proxying for the paths beginning with > /mailman3/, /archives/, /mailman/ and others, but not /postorius/ or > /hyperkitty/. Bingo. Adding location statements for hyperkitty and postorius and restarting Nginx cleared the issue. Unclear why this ever worked before the upgrade. I don't remember monkeying with a urls.py file. Anyway, it works now. Thank you Mark! >> (venv) mailman@mail10:~$ mailman-web migrate >> System check identified some issues: >> >> WARNINGS: >> account.EmailAddress: (models.W036) MariaDB does not support unique >> constraints with conditions. > > This is an issue with MariaDB and MySQL. > Thanks again. No issues here, but glad to see you previously raised this as a known issue. dn

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Welcome message template errors

by Mark

On 2024-04-24 10:38, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Try the following in `mailman shell` running as user mailman > ``` > (venv) $ mailman shell > Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell > Use commit() to commit changes. > Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. > Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. > >>>> import requests >>>> r = requests.get( > ... > 'https://LISTS.MYDOMAIN.COM/mailman3/api/templates/list/MYTESTLIST.LISTS.MYD…', > ... timeout=5) >>>> t.text > ``` > Note the URL above is all on one line. > This is exactly what Mailman core is doing to get the template > assuming the `uri` in the template` table entry is the argument of the > requests.get(). > > If this times out, try increasing the timeout= value. ************************************************ I crossed emails with you on my last post. I reset the POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL (in settings.py) back to the domain name, restarted everything, created a new Welcome template (using Postorius) and ... >>> import requests >>> r = >>> requests.get('https://MYDOMAIN.COM/mailman3/api/templates/list/MYTESTLIST.MYDOMAIN.COM/li…', >>> timeout=5) >>> r.text 'Another test Welcome message for new members.' >>> ... so all well there. And mailman is running mailman core ... # cd /opt/mailman/venv/bin/ # ls -la ... -rwxr-xr-x 1 mailman mailman 230 Jan 26 04:00 gunicorn -rwxr-xr-x 1 mailman mailman 231 Jan 26 04:00 mailman -rwxr-xr-x 1 mailman mailman 230 Mar 25 22:18 mailman-web ...

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problems with New MM3 Installation

by Jeff

> On May 11, 2021, at 1:18 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > Set base_url: in /usr/local/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg to a url > that will reliably access HyperKitty, probably the same base URL that a > user with a web browser would use. > Thanks Mark, I really appreciate your assistance. New messages are now being archived as expected, but I still have a few small remaining issues to work out with my MM3 installation: 1) some emails that arrived before I got the archive working are still sitting in: /usr/local/mailman3/mm/var/archives/prototype/[listname]@[domain]/new Strangely this includes at least one email that was archived. Should this directly be cleared as messages are archived? Is there a way to force it to be cleared? 2) Some messages that arrived while I was having other problems with the setup have been stored in: /usr/local/mailman3/mm/var/queue/shunt What should I do to get these messages processed? 3) Similar to above, some messages are in: /usr/local/mailman3/mm/var/queue/bad How can I get these messages processed? 4 Modified the template for “list:admin:action:post” through Postorious and emails that arrived after that were put in the “shunt” queue. I traced this problem to POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL. By default, it is set to "http://localhost:8000 <http://localhost:8000/>” which is where uwsgi is listening. However, uwsigi is listening for uwsgi:/ not http://. Should I change POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL to “uwsgi://localhost:8000 <uwsgi://localhost:8000>” or keep http but make it something else? Thanks again for any help anyone can provide. Jeff

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Welcome message template errors

by Mark

On 2024-04-28 01:32, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> I also note that this timeout only occurs when it is a subscription >> via REST. I.e. subscription via email or `mailman addmembers` sends >> the proper welcome message. >> >> So it has something to do with the retrieval being done by a rest >> runner, but I still don't know what the underlying issue is. I created a text file as a custom welcome message and chowned it to mailman:mailman, then edited the database record (template.uri) from http://localhost:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/mytestlist.mydomain.com/l… TO file:///home/mark/welcome.txt This delivered the custom welcome message to the user when subscribed via Mass Subscribe. I'm not sure what this tells me other than a call can be made to a file but not the database. > More strangeness. I've now done a test on one of the production > servers I manage, and there is no error. Both the production server > and the development server are running the identical Mailman code > installed in a venv, they both have the same version of urllib3 and > similar Python versions, 3.9.16 on the development server and 3.9.10 > on the production server. Both servers are running under Ubuntu > 20.04.6. The only other difference I see is on the production server > everything runs as user mailman and on the development server > everything runs as user mark. Mine is Debian 12 with Python 3.11.2. Could a newer Python version really cause this amount of grief?

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Setting base_url for the domain to use it in the templates.

by Odhiambo Washington

On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 6:58 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 7/10/24 7:17 PM, Timour Bakeev wrote: > > Hi all! > > > > I'm trying to use extended placeholders for the [templated texts]( > https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/…) > in the message footer that are sent to the members: > ... > > But my attempts to use REST API to set it fail: > > > This feature is in the not yet released Mailman 3.3.10, see > > https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.… And talking of 3.3.10, I have a feature request, or I might just be making unnecessary noise if this is already documented somewhere: I find the unsubscribe_all button quite scary! I have never used it though, so I am not quite sure about its behavior. What scares me is the possibility of clicking it and then in one fell swoop you've removed ALL the members without a "confirmation". So I was wondering if that button can be modified to have a dropdown selection with No/Yes, so that one has to select the No (backoff) or Yes (blow away!). -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Gmail/Fetchmail in Mailman3?

by Bill Christensen

On 6/23/18 5:01 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 06/23/2018 02:48 PM, Bill Christensen wrote: >> Our Mailman2 setup uses Fetchmail to retrieve list mail from our >> accounts on Gmail. >> >> Is there a similar setup for Mailman3? > > Delivery to Mailman is different in Mailman 3. What are you currently > doing with Fetchmail? the general syntax we're using is: poll imap.gmail.com protocol IMAP username "<list address>" there with password "<password>" is "mailman" here nofetchall keep ssl sslcertck sslcertpath /path/to/share/ssl/certs mda "/path/to/mail/mailman post <listname>" set daemon 900 > > If you are doing something like getting the mail from google and > delivering it via SMTP to an MTA on the Mailman server, that should > still work for MM 3. I think that's what the above is doing. Right? > > If Fetchmail is piping it to a command like > > "| /path/to/mail/mailman post listname" > > that won't work in Mailman 3. Mailman 3 gets mail via its own LMTP > server (which it calls a runner). Mail is normally delivered to an MTA > which is configured to relay the mail via LMTP to the localhost port > that Mailman is listening on. So Fetchmail can eithr deliver to the MTA > and let the MTA relay to Mailman or deliver directly to Mailman's LMTP port. > -- Bill Christensen http://SustainableSources.com http://LinkedIn.com/in/billc108 Dance like nobody's watching. Encrypt like everyone is. --Adrián Lamo

8 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Your Dashboard

by Mark Dadgar

On Feb 11, 2020, at 12:26 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >> This is actually a regression from Mailman 2.x. That train included a link to the relevant dashboard in the email, which I miss terribly. > > > I explained above why this is the case, but you can fix it. You do so by > making a sitewide template for this message. In the case of this list, > we have a template in Mailman's var/templates/site/en/ directory (the > default directory for sitewide english templates. This template is named > list:admin:action:post.txt and its content on this site is: > >> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the >> following mailing list posting: >> >> List: $listname >> From: $sender_email >> Subject: $subject >> >> The message is being held because: >> >> $reasons >> >> At your convenience, visit >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/$list_id/held_messages > > > Of course, in your case the <https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/> part > of the URL will be different. > > See > <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience#Templates> > for the other templates I also install. > > You can also put domain specific templates in > var/templates/domains/$domain/$lc/ which override site templates for the > domain and list specific templates in var/templates/lists/$list_id/$lc/ > which override site and domain templates for the list, and you can also > set list templates via Postorius. Awesome - thank you. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: What's the difference between (purpose of) reject and ignore

by denis.bitouze＠univ-littoral.fr

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 6/23/22 12:37, denis.bitouze(a)univ-littoral.fr wrote: > > > > What is the Postorius version and is it installed from source, pip or as > > package and if as package, what package? - Postorius 1.3.4 - Here are some details: ┌──── │ $ apt-cache show mailman3-full │ Package: mailman3-full │ Source: mailman3 │ Version: 3.3.3-1 │ Installed-Size: 48 │ Maintainer: Debian Mailman Team <pkg-mailman-hackers(a)lists.alioth.debian.org> │ Architecture: all │ Depends: mailman3, mailman3-web, python3-mailman-hyperkitty │ Description-en: Full Mailman3 mailing list management suite (metapackage) │ This is GNU Mailman, a mailing list management system. This metapackage │ depends on all components of the full Mailman3 suite: │ . │ * mailman3: The core Mailman3 delivery engine │ * mailman3-web: Django project integrating Mailman3 postorius and hyperkitty │ * python3-mailman-hyperkitty: Mailman3 server plugin for Hyperkitty archiver └──── > The choices should be Accept, Reject and Discard. There should be no > Ignore choice, but I'm guessing you see them in French where the > translation of Discard is Ignorer. See > https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/blob/master/src/postorius/locale/fr/L.... Indeed, sorry for the misleading translation from French to English. Maybe I'll suggest another word to the French translation team. > The difference between Reject and Discard is Reject notifies the > sender of the rejection whereas Discard just discards the message > without notification. IMHO, even in English, “Reject” and “Discard” are not self-explanatory. BTW, no clue about an automatic banishment of emails from discarded messages?

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: If I manually add email addresses to a list and then delete them, how do i permanent delete them from Users?

by Eggert Ehmke

/ I saw output like:/ <User "Real Name1" (250400693957149667060114911620088407125) at 0x7f9435096640> deleted from Mailman <User "Real Name2" (52978839424924170731978420609240089133) at 0x7f9435096760> deleted from Mailman So your users had no real names configured? Cheers, Eggert Am Dienstag, 25. April 2023, 23:14:27 CEST schrieb Andrew Hodgson: > Mark Sapiro wrote: > >The script at https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/clean_users.py has been > >updated. As before, it has settings to control whether Django users are > >deleted if there is a corresponding Mailman user with no memberships or > >only if there is no corresponding Mailman user, and whether or not Mailman > >users with no >memberships are deleted. > Thanks, I ran this script and it did delete a load of Mailman users, I got > output similar to this: <User "" (47600399411039288509336192576257642185) > at 0x7fb17a6a35e0> deleted from Mailman > > Why aren't we seeing the actual address here? > > Thanks. > Andrew. > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message > /BTJUT6FGNGK5ARADPD6VW37VMHQG2GWJ/ > > This message sent to eggert(a)eehmke.de ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty failed to create a thread

by Marvin Gülker

Hi, Am 11. Februar 2019 um 13:20 Uhr -0800 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > I downloaded the February mbox from > <https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/export/wlug@l…> > and imported it to a test list with 'django-admin hyperkitty_import and > see the same issue. Here's the Hyperkitty Mbox for my affected mailinglist: <https://lists.secretchronicles.org/hyperkitty/list/tsc-devel@lists.secretch…> Maildir from my local machine as received from Mailman via e-mail: <https://files.guelker.eu/misc/tsc-devel.tar.gz> > Examination of the mbox shows for the first message [...] > Note the folding of the header and the double angle brackets. I can confirm that I see this behaviour for my affected mailinglist as well. The Message-ID header is broken over two lines with double angle brackets in the Hyperkitty MBox linked above: Message-ID: < <153582973006.27514.7508703206376217479(a)alexandria.secretchronicles.org>> However, the original message as it was delivered by Mailman to me does not have such a weird message-id header: Message-ID: <153582973006.27514.7508703206376217479(a)alexandria.secretchronicles.org> In this message, the header is broken exactly as shown above after the colon of "Message-ID:". Maybe some problem with parsing long Message-ID headers, or ones folded over multiple lines? With regard to bug reporting on gitlab.com: I already have accounts on a ton of sites, and at some point I'd actually like to stop creating new ones all the time... Marvin -- Blog: https://mg.guelker.eu PGP/GPG ID: F1D8799FBCC8BC4F

7 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Apple Mail encoding again

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > That combination at least produces multipart/signed messages with > multipart/* parts containing a Content-Transfer-Encoding: header. > > The Python 3 email library considers this to be a > InvalidMultipartContentTransferEncodingDefect() message defect. Merely containing C-T-E is not an error per RFC 2045, although it seems to consider it a stupid thing to do. If present, it may be "binary", "7-bit", or "8-bit" (below summarized as "cleartext"). Did Apple Mail apply a non-cleartext C-T-E? Or has an RFC tightening that restriction been published since? (I don't know why it would, though.) Even with a non-cleartext C-T-E, it seems reasonable for Mailman to treat it as application/octet-stream and pass it through, unless the list is configured to do something like strip application/octet-stream or that requires decoding like spam-filtering (Postel principle, although one could argue it shouldn't be sent on on the same principle -- ah, the joys of being an e-mail Mediator). That would be especially true it if were quoted-printable, since any relevant MIME headers would (presumably) be pure ASCII and therefore unencoded. > multipart/signed > multipart/mixed * > text/plain > message/rfc822 (the attached message) * > multipart/signed * > text/plain > application/pgp-signature > text/plain (an empty plain text part) > text/plain (a quote of my message to you) > application/pgp-signature It's true that Apple Mail is horked if it produces that structure with C-T-E in the indicated places (but we already knew that :-( ). Steve

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Process on migrating mailman

by Odhiambo Washington

On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 8:49 AM Mark Labeste <marqueejen13(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Any suggestion on how to migrate mailing list and archirve with diffirent > server and domain. For the mailing list from sample.domain1.example.com > to sample.domain2.example.com > > Old Mailing list > Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.5 (Tom Sawyer) > Mailman Core API Version 3.1 > Mailman Core Python Version 3.6.8 (default, Sep 26 2019, 11:57:09) > [GCC 4.8.5 20150623 (Red Hat 4.8.5-39)] > Domain Domain1.example.com > > New Mailing list > Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) > Mailman Core API Version 3.1 > Mailman Core Python Version 3.9.18 (main, Sep 22 2023, 17:58:34) [GCC > 8.5.0 20210514 (Red Hat 8.5.0-20)] > Domain domain2.example.com How many lists? How big are the archives? Looking at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…, it seems like it's not a trivial exercise. However, I am wondering about the consequences of: 1. dumping the DBs and doing 's/DOMAIN1/DOMAIN2/g' in the dumps, then re-importing 2. editing settings.py and webserver config to reflect the DOMAIN2 3. reconfiguring your MTA to handle list mails using the DOMAIN2 I am imagining a virtualenv type of installation. Is there somewhere in the data where the DOMAIN1 is hardcoded in a way that it cannot be replaced by a text editor? @Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> ? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Dealing with email bounces from web signups

by Hans-Martin Mosner

Am 17.03.22 um 03:40 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > > > The issue of more concern to me is when the subscription uses a deliverable address. The owner of that address > receives this unwanted confirmation email which is bad enough, but then sometimes reports it as spam to her ISP which > affects my server's reputation. But, so far, I don't do anything about that either. > As I'm a mail admin for a server whose users get lots of those misguided mails I'd say that the vast majority of them are not from mailing list signups but from web contact forms which automatically respond to entered contact requests with "Dear Polly liked your profile https://bit.ly/crap". I regularly report these as spam and expect website owners to disable automatic mails from such forms (I also advise our users who have their own websites to disable that, and strictly filter it on outgoing mail). I would probably also report these as spam when coming from mailing lists subscription requests, and I would likewise advise you to send subscription responses only after a moderator checks and releases the subscription request. It can still happen that you send out somethin to someone who didn't subscribe, but you should be able to reduce the numbers significantly. I know this causes extra moderator work because you don't get the automated pre-filtering for deliverable addresses, so this is something where you need to weigh pros and cons for your particular situation. Cheers, Hans-Martin

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman sends Welcome emails, but does not send [List] postings emails

by Nelson Strother

As you had suggested, the `in` runner/queue was missing in action. Given your insight about the limitations of `mailman restart`, I looked back at the log from the time of the preceding `mailman start`, and found that there was NOT a line such as: in runner started. in that instance! Watching the logs on each subsequent `mailman start`, the good news is that the `in` runner/queue has been started each time; the bad news is that slightly more than half of the time one or two runners are NOT shown as starting. The other runners/queues sometimes missing in action per the log file have been `retry`, `task`, `nntp`, `archive`, and `pipeline`. No errors are being recorded in the mailman log files. This is GNU Mailman 3.3.8 via `pip install mailman` on Debian 5.10.179-1 (2023-05-12) running on a shared system where VMware gives this server enough cycles that `mailman start` and `mailman stop` each consume from 20 minutes to an hour of wall clock time, so I do not issue those commands recreationally, attempting to keep the system available for users. What should I do to help understand the cause for these failures? Would not it be helpful for this limitation of restart to be included in: mailman restart --help with a suggestion to use `mailman stop` and `mailman start` instead? On 6/1/23 11:16, Mark Sapiro wrote: > When you issued a restart and the logs show runners restarting, did > all the runners restart or was one or more missing.

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Twitter OAuth2

by Odhiambo Washington

On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 11:57 AM Stephen J. Turnbull < stephenjturnbull(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Mark Sapiro writes: > > > The last I looked into using Twitter as an OAuth2 provider, which was > > some time ago, it would not work because Twitter would not provide the > > user's email address via OAuth2. Possibly this could work if the user's > > name was her Twitter handle. > > Yeah, but then I (@yasegumi@twitter) could log in as > yasegumi(a)example.com and every other yasegumi in the world. There > probably aren't any of those that aren't me, but of the 30 kids in my > 6th grade class 5 were named something with the diminuative "Steve", > and we also had one Stephanie. So I could log in as > steve(a)turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (that's me) or steve(a)xemacs.org > (that's not me, I'm stephen(a)xemacs.org) or steve(a)any.old.com. Not > good. > > Also, I wouldn't trust Musk's Twitter with no security staff left to > give out only confirmed email addresses. If they give out any address > you gave them, then anybody can spoof anybody. So I would advise not > using Twitter as an idP under any conditions, unless it's to prove you > own a Twitter handle. > Okay. Now I really don't want to add Twitter to my Social Account logins :-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Archive search failing on one list

by Mark

On Sat, 2023-09-23 at 18:56 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 9/23/23 17:51, Mark wrote: > > For example, on searching for the word "Derbyshire" (which is > mentioned > in one of the archived messages) the results page displays: > > "Sorry no email could be found for this query." > > The logs show: > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > [pid: 1156|app: 0|req: 55/55] > 2001:8004:5310:2405:ce66:5ff:41fc:60db () > {76 vars in 1537 bytes} [Sat Sep 23 23:57:43 2023] GET > /mailman3/hyperkitty/search?mlist=LISTNAME- > 1%40DOMAIN.COM&q=Derbyshire > => generated 13752 bytes in 3188 msecs (HTTP/1.1 200) 5 headers in > 164 > bytes (1 switches on core 0) ... > mlist = MailingList.objects.get(name=mlist_name) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist- > packages/django/db/models/manager.py", > line 82, in manager_method > return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/models/query.py", > line > 406, in get > raise self.model.DoesNotExist( > hyperkitty.models.mailinglist.MailingList.DoesNotExist: > MailingList2023-09-21 08:55:36.385239+10 > matching query does not exist. What does this database query return ``` select * from hyperkitty_mailinglist where name like 'LISTNAME-1(a)DOMAIN.COM'; ``` If it returns a row, does case match for the name in the row and the query? Yes, the query returns a result and the case in "name" matches that in the query ... select * from hyperkitty_mailinglist where name like 'listname(a)domain.com' id | 91 name | listname(a)domain.com display_name | Listname description | ... subject_prefix | [Listname] archive_policy | 1 created_at | 2023-09-21 08:55:36.385239+2 list_id | listname(a)domain.com

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Feature request, hyperkitty, low volume lists

by Odhiambo Washington

The links work for me. On Thu, Jan 9, 2025, 20:19 Alain D D Williams <addw(a)phcomp.co.uk> wrote: > On Thu, Jan 09, 2025 at 09:06:56AM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > On 1/9/25 06:07, Alain D D Williams wrote: > > > > > > For an example see: > > > > > > > https://fridayfolk.phcomp.co.uk/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/announce@fridayfol… > > > > The above URL and also > https://fridayfolk.phcomp.co.uk/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/announce@fridayfol… > > and even https://fridayfolk.phcomp.co.uk/mailman3/hyperkitty/ all give > a 500 > > internal server error response. > > Sigh - try again. > > The 500 error happens several times a day. After 5 minutes it behaves as it > should ... until it happens again some time later. I have not found out > what is > happening; nothing obvious in the logs, not high system load. I can live > with > it for now as I am busy elsewhere. > > -- > Alain Williams > Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT > Lecturer. > +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ > Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: > https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html > #include <std_disclaimer.h> > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to odhiambo(a)gmail.com >

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Struggle on upgrading mailman3-web to new version - Not Found: /mailman//

by Eggert Ehmke

This makes it even stranger. Removing the trailing / did not help in my case, but replacing the mailman3 for mailman in the ProxyPass line did. Would be really nice to solve this problem at the root. Am Montag, 25. Oktober 2021, 18:09:21 CEST schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 10/25/21 1:45 AM, Stefan Bauer wrote: > > Dear Users, > > > > I recently upraded mailman3 from Ubuntu 18 to 20. After accessing the > > web-interface via > > > > https://my.mailinglistserver.local/mailman3/postorius/lists/ > > > > I receive > > > > Not Found: /mailman//postorius/lists/ > > [pid: 1346851|app: 0|req: 4/4] 10.254.253.12 () {70 vars in 1369 bytes} > > [Mon Oct 25 10:39:59 2021] GET /mailman3/postorius/lists/ => generated > > 2821 > > bytes in 12 msecs (HTTP/1.1 404) 5 headers in 155 bytes (1 switches on > > core > > 1) > > > > Where does the wrong path come from (mailman vs. mailman3) > > See the thread at > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/U > SXUYZYB5KIXT37APMCOAUZLKBRPARTL/ > > ... > > > <IfModule mod_proxy_uwsgi.c> > > ProxyPass /mailman3/favicon.ico ! > > ProxyPass /mailman3/static ! > > ProxyPass /mailman3 unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost/ > > </IfModule> > > Others have found that removing the trailing slash from > > ProxyPass /mailman3 unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost/ > > to make it > > ProxyPass /mailman3 unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost > > fixes the issue.

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: List Migration from MM2.1 -> MM3

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 4:37 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 8/15/22 00:32, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > Apparently so, because: > > mailman@lists:~$ /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/mailman lists > > No matching mailing lists found > > mailman@lists:~$ > > > > Which is surprising, given this: https://imgur.com/a/LPrh42K > > > Postfix is talking to a different Mailman core. > There isn't any other. This server has only been running Mailam21. > > root@lists:/home/wash# su - mailman > > mailman@lists:~$ /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/mailman create > > skunkworks(a)lists.my.co.ke > > sh: 1: /usr/sbin/postmap: not found > > sh: 1: /usr/sbin/postmap: not found > > Traceback (most recent call last): > ... > > RuntimeError: command failure: /usr/sbin/postmap > > /opt/mailman/var/data/postfix_lmtp, 127, Key has expired > > command failure: /usr/sbin/postmap /opt/mailman/var/data/postfix_domains, > > 127, Key has expired > > > > Now that wants Postfix, while I don't use Postfix, but Exim as the MTA. > > > In the [mta] section of mailman.cfg, put > ``` > incoming: mailman.mta.exim4.LMTP > configuration: python:mailman.config.exim4 > ``` > See > > https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h… That is exactly what I have in my mailman.cfg Installing Postfix suppresses that message though. I installed Postfix and then disabled it. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: [Bug] Someone not a member of list is treated as member - strange

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > Of course it is logical. You, the person, are a member of the list > so you post to the list should be treated as from a member > regardless of which of your addresses it comes from. > > Why is that a problem? People are not particularly logical about this kind of thing. They want what they want at the moment (compare the discussion with Odhiambo where he wanted the same address to correspond to different users). People with multiple addresses frequently want to separate their outgoing messages as well as incoming messages into separate streams. (Eg, one of the addresses is for specific use on an anonymous list.) But in many cases what they want is as you say, "I" am subscribed so any of my addresses should do. While your explanation that a (human) person who wants that behavior should link separate addresses to separate Users is a perfectly good technical answer, I would not expect typical folks to figure that out for themselves. I don't have a suggestion for a user-friendly UI for this; I think it's just a hard concept to grasp with the amount of effort we generally want to put into a mailing list subscription. It might be a good idea to add this issue to the documentation on anonymous lists. -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

11 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Hiding the "subscribe without creating an account"

by Matthew Blissett

On 13/07/2024 07:17, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 7/10/24 7:36 PM, Ben Sturmfels via Mailman-users wrote: >> >> Is there a configuration option that does this, or was it a custom >> change made in >> the templates? Was the change made to reduce fake registrations? Did >> it work? > > > It was added in Postorius 1.3.9. See the UI section at > https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html#news-1-3-9 > > Yes, the change was made in an attempt to reduce fake registrations. > > We haven't really studied it's effectiveness. It seems to help > somewhat, but it also seems that bots may already have a template to > POST so removing it from the UI is not a complete solution. They would be missing the CSRF token (a hidden field on the anonymous signup form) so this ought to fail. > There is also a lot of email to innocent third parties and > non-existent addresses from attempts to register them for an account. There are patches to integrate a Captcha system here: https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/issues/33 I think it's needed, as less than 24 hours after migrating to Mailman 3 I already see bots retrieving the signup form to get the CSRF token (GET /accounts/signup/?next=/postorius/lists/) then POSTing the request for a new user account (POST /accounts/signup/). There's also the setting ACCOUNT_EMAIL_UNKNOWN_ACCOUNTS = False, which prevents spam from the "forgot password" address, see https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/591 -- Matt

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Clean-up of non-members

by Odhiambo Washington

On Wed, Dec 25, 2024 at 8:05 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/24/24 23:35, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > > > > Now only if you can help me reconcile the fact that Postorius tells me > that > > I have > > ``` > > List Nonmembers (872) > > > > ``` > > > > ..while the CLI command gives me only 13 addresses. > > > How are you invoking the `mailman nonmembers` command? I suspect it is > not using the proper mailman.cfg. Does `mailman info` show the correct > mailman.cfg. > ``` (venv) mailman@eu:~$ whoami mailman (venv) mailman@eu:~$ mailman info GNU Mailman 3.3.10 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.11.2 (main, Sep 14 2024, 03:00:30) [GCC 12.2.0] config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg db url: mysql+pymysql://mailman:XXXXXXXXX@localhost /mailmansuite?charset=utf8mb4&use_unicode=1 devmode: DISABLED REST root url: https://localhost:8001/3.1/ REST credentials: restadmin:restpass (venv) mailman@eu:~$ mailman members --role nonmember LISTSPEC Agnes <agnesa(a)REDACTED.com> Angela M <angelam(a)REDACTED.org> <beatiemaina!!(a)REDACTED.com> <psgimode(a)REDACTED.ke> <jwothaxxx(a)\REDACTED.ke> <lgichdhdh(a)REDACTED.ke> <mrussher(a)REDACTED.org> <mutwiXXj3(a)REDACTED.com> <news@REDACTED> Nesema <xxxxxx(a)kictanet.or.ke> Robert M <xxxxxxo(a)yahoo.com> <telasalma17@ REDACTED > <wambdddddd(a)REDACTED.ke> (venv) mailman@eu:~$ mailman members --role nonmember LISTSPEC | wc -l 13 (venv) mailman@eu:~$ ``` It uses the correct config file. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: [NON-INTERNAL] Re: Missing Archived emails - Hyperkitty - CERT Issue

by Odhiambo Washington

On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 2:25 PM Willie Castillo < Willie.Castillo(a)caemilusa.com> wrote: > The issue started right after the site's CERT expired. The CERT expired on > 7/8/25. This is what's in the log... > > Jul 16 15:19:45 2025 (3777209) Connection to HyperKitty failed: > HTTPSConnectionPool(host='XXX.com', port=443): Max retries exceeded with > url: /hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls?mlist=jmats-versions%40XXX.com (Caused by > SSLError(SSLCertVerificatio > nError(1, '[SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed: > certificate has expired (_ssl.c:1000)'))) > > The CERT has been updated but the 7/25 message is not archived still. While at it, also edit your /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg to what is documented so that the issue doesn't recur: ``` [general] base_url: http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/ api_key: Secret_Hyperkitty_API_Key ``` PS: I haven't seen your responses to @Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>'s questions quoted below: ``` Did the new post get archived? If so, why is last post at still July 25, 2025? If no, why not. The post must go to the archiver to cause the queue to be processed. If the post was archived and the July 25 messages are still queued, what's in Mailman's mailman.log. There should be error messages and tracebacks indicating the issue. ``` -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: From address of subscription notifications

by Abhilash Raj

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019, at 5:46 PM, worik wrote: > On 27/02/19 11:54 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > On 2/26/19 2:11 PM, worik wrote: > >> When I subscribe some body to to a list I on I get a notification that > >> says it comes from changeme(a)example.com > >> > >> As far as I can tell no subscribers are getting mail with that, so this > >> is not a crises. But it is untidy and I cannot find where to change it. > >> > >> SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN is set in the mailman-web/environment section of > >> docker-compose.yaml (I am using the docker distribution...) > > You set it in your mailman.cfg. As it says in mailman/config/schema.cfg > > > > > There is no `mailman/config/schema.cfg` on my system. Should I raise a > issue over at the docker-mailman github? > > I have: > > /opt/mailman/core/mailman-extra.cfg > /opt/mailman/core/var/etc/mailman.cfg > > Should I change it in the second one? /opt/mailman/core/mailman-extra.cfg Change it in this one. > > -- > If not me then who? If not now then when? If not here then where? > So, here I stand, I can do no other > root(a)worik.org 021-1680650, (03) 4821804 Aotearoa (New Zealand) > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

7 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3-web and the django middleware problem

by Thomas Stein

Am 2024-04-25 19:05, schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 4/25/24 04:35, Thomas Stein wrote: >> >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/usr/bin/django-admin", line 33, in <module> >> sys.exit(load_entry_point('Django==4.2.11', 'console_scripts', >> 'django-admin')()) >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> File >> "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", >> line 442, in execute_from_command_line >> utility.execute() >> File >> "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", >> line 416, in execute >> django.setup() >> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/__init__.py", line 24, >> in setup >> apps.populate(settings.INSTALLED_APPS) >> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/apps/registry.py", line >> 124, in populate >> app_config.ready() >> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/account/apps.py", line >> 15, in ready >> raise ImproperlyConfigured( >> django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: >> allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware must be added to >> settings.MIDDLEWARE Thanks for you answer. > This is a packaging issue in the Debian/Ubuntu package and should be > reported to Debian. I already did. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mailman-suite/+bug/2062960 > See the BREAKING CHANGE item in the 1.3.10 section at > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/blob/master/README.rst>. > > You need to add `allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware` to the > MIDDLEWARE setting in your Django settings. I'm not sure how to add that to my django settings. Adding: x = list(MIDDLEWARE) x.insert(0, 'allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware') MIDDLEWARE = x did not help. Any hints? thanks again, t.

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Core, Hyperkitty and Postorius releases

by Abhilash Raj

On Fri, May 14, 2021, at 2:16 PM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 12:01 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > On 5/14/21 1:54 PM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > > > /usr/local/include/sass > > > > > > That is the only thing found that is in the base system. > > > > And that's the one you want. What is it's mode? > > > > root@gw:/usr/home/wash # ls -al /usr/local/include/sass > total 104 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Apr 16 16:49 . > drwxr-xr-x 176 root wheel 10240 Apr 19 18:05 .. > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 2369 Apr 8 11:08 base.h > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 10742 Apr 8 11:08 context.h > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 6632 Apr 8 11:08 functions.h > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 6489 Apr 8 11:08 values.h > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 198 Apr 8 11:08 version.h > > I imagined I needed an executable. This sounds like a result of you running `pip3 install sass`, probably with sudo which failed mid-way due to the exception you posted above. Which OS are you using? On debian/ubuntu, you can install: sudo apt install sassc I am not exactly sure how it got removed during your upgrade to the new version of Mailman since it shouldn't affect your system packages. Did you install Mailman initially using system packages or instructions provided at [1]? [1]: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst… -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: problem configuring mailman3 on debian bullseye

by Servizio Informatico U.I.C.I. Sezione territoriale di Brescia

Hi, Thank you. I discovered tha I removed all templates but in the db table the template was not removed. It was pointing to localhost and this was the problem. Thanks to all for help! Roberto Burceni Servizio informatico sezionale Tel. 0302209417 (lunedì e giovedì mattina dalle 9:00 alle 13:00, martedì emercoledì pomeriggio dalle 14:00 alle 18:00 E-mail: servizioinformatico(a)uicibrescia.it Sito web: https://www.uicibrescia.it Il 16/03/23 04:20, Mark Sapiro ha scritto: > On 3/15/23 09:55, Odhiambo Washington wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 7:10 PM Servizio Informatico U.I.C.I. Sezione >> territoriale di Brescia <servizioinformatico(a)uicibrescia.it> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I created a template but after some tests I deleted it. >>> >>> Now I created only a standard list without modifying any templates. >>> >>> So they are the standard templates coming with the distribution. I >>> did not >>> change also the language >>> >> Maybe you can start by deleting any templates in postorius_emailtemplate >> table in the DB? > > There shouldn't be any, but if the issue is with accessing postorius > templates, that might make it worse. > > If you want only the system default templates, you could do this > database query to remove any non-defaults: > > DELETE FROM templates; > > That will ensure that you aren't accessing Postorius for any templates. >

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Can't post to my own list from HyperKitty

by MegaBrutal

Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> ezt írta (időpont: 2025. ápr. 9., Sze, 4:49): > ``` > $ mailman shell > Use commit() to commit changes. > Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. > Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. > > >>> um = getUtility(IUserManager) > >>> usr = um.get_user('user(a)example.com') # any of the three addresses > >>> usr.addresses > prints a list of the 3 addresses. These are indexed as 0, 1, 2 > >>> usr.preferred_address > prints the preferred address. If this is the one you want to delete, do > >>> usr.preferred_address = usr.addresses[n] # n is the index of one > you want > >>> del usr.addresses[n] # n is the index of the address you don't want > >>> usr.addresses.remove(n) # n is the index of the address you don't > want > >>> commit() > ``` Thanks, I successfully removed my unwanted address, so it now doesn't appear anywhere. (Looks like .remove(n) wasn't needed, it only gave an exception, and the settings were saved even without commit() – which is concerning because I would have assumed that I can cancel transactions by omitting it.) However, the problem still persists: I can't post to the list from HyperKitty. In this regard, nothing has changed since my original report. I'm subscribed to the list with my primary, preferred address, which is the GMail address right now.

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: mail loops back to myself

by Florian Sukup

On 6/9/25 20:54, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 6/9/25 05:06, Florian Sukup wrote: >> >> The setup has historic reasons. However I can eliminate >> reverse.rrr.com completely and replace it by host.xxx.com. Right now >> reverse.rrr.com has an A-record pointing to the host's ip address. > > Eliminating reverse.rrr.com completely and replacing it by host.xxx.com > would be good. This will help. > First step is done: I replaced reverse.rrr.com by host.xxx.com the DNS zones of all domain I use. Tomorrow I will have the rDNS record be rewritten by my ISP. > Also if I look up the A record for reverse.rrr.com either locally or at > aaron.ns.cloudflare.com there isn't one. This will be moot if you > replace reverse.rrr.com with host.xxx.com. > reverse.rrr.com is not the real name ... > > >>> What is the output from `postconf -n`? >>> >> >> alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases >> alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases >> append_dot_mydomain = no >> biff = no >> compatibility_level = 2 >> inet_interfaces = all >> inet_protocols = all >> local_recipient_maps = proxy:unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps >> hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp >> mailbox_size_limit = 0 >> message_size_limit = 0 >> mydestination = localhost, localhost.localdomain, arvak > > This needs to include $myhostname > I don't want to receive any emails like ...(a)host.xxx.com . So I thought removing host.xxx.com from $mydestination is a good idea. Is there any other solution for that? Florian.

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: High memory usage

by Philip Colmer

On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 at 01:02, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 2/16/22 00:18, Philip Colmer wrote: > > Thank you for the replies from Mark and Stephen. > > > > One of the reasons why Prasanth & I are concerned with this specific > system > > is because the first time memory usage crept up, it got to the point > where > > oomkiller stepped in and, as is usual for that particular mechanism, one > of > > the processes it killed was sshd, thus removing access to the system :(. > I > > know that oomkiller can be tuned to stop it killing processes like sshd > but > > it will, nevertheless, start killing *some* processes if it sees an out > of > > memory situation. > > > It sounds like there is a memory leak somewhere. This is an issue with > some versions of Python. I know both Python 3.10.2 and 3.9.10 were > released ahead of schedule to fix this. See > https://bugs.python.org/issue46347 Thanks, Mark. We're using Python 3.8; I've looked at the open issues and don't immediately see any that might be memory-leak related in a way that would affect Mailman 3. That said, there are quite a few libraries and other "moving parts" involved in this project so we're going to try and track memory usage over time by process or similar to see if we can see whether or not this is a leak and, if it is, what the likeliest culprit might be. Philip

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mails are stuck in Mailman Pipeline Queue

by Shashikanth Komandoor

Thank you Mark. This solution worked fine for me. On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 9:58 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 3/26/22 21:01, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: > > > > But the below trace back is observed during mailman service stopping: > > > This doesn't say much ... > > > ...> Mar 27 09:01:22 2022 (5864) Uncaught runner exception: > > Mar 27 09:01:22 2022 (5864) Traceback (most recent call last): > > File > "/var/lib/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", > > line 173, in _one_iteration > ... > > File > "/var/lib/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", > > line 114, in signal_handler > > raise RunnerInterrupt > > mailman.interfaces.runner.RunnerInterrupt > > Mar 27 09:01:22 2022 (5864) SHUNTING: 1648351882.6693938+ > > c2e6ed709646a7680c73059b52d2f0451836e591 > > Mar 27 09:01:22 2022 (5864) digest runner exiting. > > Above, digest runner was interrupted in processing and shunted the > message it was working on. > > and below, pipeline runner was interrupted in processing and shunted the > message it was working on. > > > Mar 27 09:01:22 2022 (5860) Uncaught runner exception: > > Mar 27 09:01:22 2022 (5860) Traceback (most recent call last): > > File > "/var/lib/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", > > line 173, in _one_iteration > > self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) > > File > "/var/lib/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", > > line 266, in _process_one_file > > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > > File > "/var/lib/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/runners/pipeline.py", > > line 37, in _dispose > > process(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) > > File > "/var/lib/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/pipelines.py", > > line 50, in process > > handler.process(mlist, msg, msgdata) > > File "/var/lib/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/ > > mailman/handlers/member_recipients.py", line 84, in process > > for member in mlist.regular_members.members > > File "/var/lib/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/ > > mailman/handlers/member_recipients.py", line 83, in <genexpr> > > recipients = set(member.address.email > > File > "/var/lib/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/model/roster.py", > > line 239, in members > > yield from self._get_members(DeliveryMode.regular) > > File > "/var/lib/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/model/roster.py", > > line 226, in _get_members > > if member.delivery_mode in delivery_modes: > > File > "/var/lib/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/model/member.py", > > line 205, in delivery_mode > > return self._lookup('delivery_mode') > > File > "/var/lib/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/model/member.py", > > line 167, in _lookup > > pref = getattr(self.address.preferences, preference) > > File > "/var/lib/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/attributes.py", > > line 287, in __get__ > > return self.impl.get(instance_state(instance), dict_) > > File > "/var/lib/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/attributes.py", > > line 723, in get > > value = self.callable_(state, passive) > > File > "/var/lib/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/strategies.py", > > line 760, in _load_for_state > > session, state, primary_key_identity, passive > > File "<string>", line 1, in <lambda> > > File > "/var/lib/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/strategies.py", > > line 850, in _emit_lazyload > > session.query(self.mapper), primary_key_identity > > File > "/var/lib/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/ext/baked.py", > > line 603, in _load_on_pk_identity > > setup, tuple(elem is None for elem in primary_key_identity) > > The above says the runner was doing a database lookup. This may be a > coincidence or there may be some database locking issue that underlies > the issue with the pipeline runner. > > > > File > "/var/lib/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", > > line 114, in signal_handler > > raise RunnerInterrupt > > mailman.interfaces.runner.RunnerInterrupt > > Mar 27 09:01:22 2022 (5860) SHUNTING: 1648351882.8537986+ > > 9bf59cb23a71a4bae65536bfdbec0abb261adaa0 > > Mar 27 09:01:22 2022 (5860) pipeline runner exiting. > > > I suggest doing the following assuming your Mailman database is not > sqlite3 (if it is, just do step 2): > > 1) Stop mailman core and maybe other mailman services too. > 2) Assuming the two shunted messages are still in Mailman's shunt queue, > run `mailman unshunt` to unshunt them. If there are more shunted > messages, inspect them with `mailman qfile` to see if you want them, > They may be spam. > 3) Restart your database server. > 4) Start Mailman core and any other stopped services. > > Also, look in the database server logs for any issues. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Walk-thru for Ubuntu Bionic Mailman 3 Full setup

by kisner＠live.com

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 7/9/22 8:48 AM, kisner(a)live.com wrote: > > Thanks! > > OK, ran through again on a vanilla Debian 11.3 install, got this error (I'll try to create the directory and see if I can get past it): > > (venv) mailman@lists:~$ mailman-web migrate > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/usr/lib/python3.9/logging/config.py", line 564, in configure > > handler = self.configure_handler(handlers[name]) > > File "/usr/lib/python3.9/logging/config.py", line 745, in configure_handler > > result = factory(**kwargs) > > File "/usr/lib/python3.9/logging/handlers.py", line 445, in __init__ > > logging.FileHandler.__init__(self, filename, mode=mode, > > File "/usr/lib/python3.9/logging/__init__.py", line 1142, in __init__ > > StreamHandler.__init__(self, self._open()) > > File "/usr/lib/python3.9/logging/__init__.py", line 1171, in _open > > return open(self.baseFilename, self.mode, encoding=self.encoding, > > FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log' > > Creation of the directory is documented. From > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#initial-configur... > # Make sure that this directory is created or Django will fail on start. > LOGGING['handlers']['file']['filename'] = > '/opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log' My bad, I missed that. Maybe pull that line out of the config comments and put it in the instructions below? That wasn't the show stopper, though, that I could figure out, it was the other bug. I'm glad someone already reported it and fixed it.

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Digests not working correctly

by Joel Lord

I ran the "/usr/local/bin/mailman digests --periodic" again, sadly without the --verbose, and it kicked out the digests as it ought to have the first time. Now I have to wait for some list traffic to come in to "recharge" the digests so I have something to test with again. -Joel On 6/13/2023 1:46 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 6/13/23 09:42, Joel Lord wrote: >> Now I'm on one of the lists in digest mode and I can see that it's a >> mess. Periodic digests are definitely NOT working, so I'll lay that >> out here. >> ... >> root@host2:/# grep digests /var/log/cron.log >> Jun 11 23:00:01 host2 CRON[1632765]: (lists) CMD >> (/usr/local/bin/mailman digests --periodic) >> Jun 12 23:00:01 host2 CRON[2177286]: (lists) CMD >> (/usr/local/bin/mailman digests --periodic) > > > OK. > >> root@host2:/home/members/directory# su - lists >> lists@host2:~$ /usr/local/bin/mailman digests --periodic >> lists@host2:~$ ls var/lists/<list>/ >> digest.mmdf > > > If there is nothing in Mailman's mailman.log, I don't know what the > issue is unless the list's digest_send_periodic flag is False. > > >> How can I try and track this down? > > > Try manually running > ``` > /usr/local/bin/mailman digests --periodic --verbose > ``` > to get more info. Also try > ``` > /usr/local/bin/mailman digests --send --verbose > ``` > to see what it reports and whether it sends the digest. > -- Joel Lord

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Change to content filtering collapse alternatives - was: Re: Mailman shutting down Hyperkitty: Request too large

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > That said, the effect on the OP's case, which may be more common, may be > harmful depending on list and Mailman config. > > The original message from the OP (edited) is > ``` > Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="000000000000da2dcc062cb38aa1" Ouch, that's a mess. First, unless you elided it, it's missing the required type parameter. Despite being required, it's basically an optimization and in most cases will not be much of one. So that's not really a big deal. Second, the Content-IDs are malformed. They are supposed to have the form of message IDs. Also not a big deal, they're close enough for government work. The big problem is I have no idea what the semantics of multipart/related text/plain image/jpeg should be. Throwing away the image data seems like it would be the right thing to do according to RFC 2387, which delegates rendering of the entire multipart/related entity to the root entity. But if that were the desired result of the author of the original message, it's straightforward to achieve by inverting the related and alternative parts. And (at least for image content) I would think that would be a rare intention. I don't see an obvious way to resolve this without checking what popular MUAs do with the various possibilities. So as long as your patch does the expected thing, it's the minimal solution. Steve

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Weird hourly indexing error

by Mark Dadgar

On May 5, 2020, at 9:21 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 5/5/20 8:55 AM, Mark Dadgar wrote: >> I moved my mail server to a Digital Ocean droplet. I basically installed all the appropriate packages and then rsync’d everything that matters from my metal server up to the cloud instance. Everything more or less works fine. >> >> However, I am now getting this hourly error - see below. > ... >> [ERROR/MainProcess] Failed indexing 1 - 1000 (retry 5/5): Term too long (> 245): XSUBJECT95251413 (pid 36301): Term too long (> 245): XSUBJECT95251413 >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 97, in do_update >> backend.update(index, current_qs, commit=commit) >> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/xapian_backend.py", line 488, in update >> database.replace_document(document_id, document) >> xapian.InvalidArgumentError: Term too long (> 245): XSUBJECT95251413 > > > This error comes from Xapian. It is due to a (new) message in your > archive that contains a 'word' longer than 245 characters. > > There is a PR at > <https://github.com/notanumber/xapian-haystack/pull/181> that addresses > this plus another suggested fix in that PR's comment thread. Thanks. I guess I wait for them to roll the fix in and the ubuntu maintainers to pick it up. > Note: I got there by googling "xapian term too long" which gave > <https://github.com/notanumber/xapian-haystack/issues/153> as the first > hit and that led me to the above. Yeah, that would have been smarter. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

6 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cron Error: <mailman@gw> /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin runjobs monthly

by Odhiambo Washington

On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 8:31 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 1/31/23 23:33, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > Is this a race condition? > > > > <CUT> > > ERROR OCCURED IN JOB: update_and_clean_index (APP: hyperkitty) > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File > > > "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django_extensions/management/commands/runjobs.py", > > line 40, in runjobs > > job().execute() > > File > > > "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/jobs/update_and_clean_index.py", > > line 37, in execute > > run_with_lock(update_index, remove=True) > > File > > > "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/utils.py", > > line 181, in run_with_lock > > log.exception("Failed to update the fulltext index: %s", e) > > File > > > "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", > > line 470, in __exit__ > > self.unlock() > > File > > > "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", > > line 420, in unlock > > raise NotLockedError('Already unlocked') > > flufl.lock._lockfile.NotLockedError: Already unlocked > > <CUT> > > > Yes, it is a race between the monthly hyperkitty update_and_clean_index > job and the hourly hyperkitty update_index job > Okay. This is a bit off from my understanding. What is the cause and how do I mitigate it? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Verification emails 'helo' rejected

by Greg Newby

Success! Below: On Wed, Oct 16, 2024 at 10:52 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 10/14/24 12:42, Greg Newby via Mailman-users wrote: > > > > Here are the corresponding logfile entries from mailmanweb.log: > > smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused: {'redacted(a)gmail.com': (504, b'5.5.2 > <mail>: > > Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname')} > > > > and from mail.log: > > Oct 14 12:06:26 domain postfix/smtpd[722764]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from > > localhost[127.0.0.1]: 504 5.5.2 <mail>: Helo command rejected: need > > fully-qualified hostname; from=<root(a)lists.domain.tld> > to=<root@localhost> > > proto=ESMTP helo=<mail> > > > > lists.domain.tld is the domain for Mailman3. I don't know why it's trying > > to send email from root@. > > > I think the mail.log entry is for the DSN for the failure. The issue is > the HELO/EHLO command. Try the following in your venv > ``` > (venv) ...:~$ python > Python 3... > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. > >>> import socket > >>> socket.getfqdn() > ``` > If that returns `localhost`, that's the issue. I think you can fix it by > putting a fully qualified domain name in /etc/hostname. > > That was the answer. I had the short hostname, not the fully qualified domain name. Thank you! The logfile messages were pretty confusing since they did not mention the hostname at all. Postfix was not the problem, as you wrote separately. ~ Greg

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty search on Message-ID?

by Bryan Fields

On 12/5/24 2:02 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Message-ID is not one of the fields indexed. These are defined at > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/search_index… Looks like it would trivial to add there. Think anyone would be opposed to adding support for this? > A bit obscure for laypersons, but one can compute the message_id_hash > from the Message-ID > ``` > from base64 import b32encode > from hashlib import sha1 > > def get_message_id_hash(msg_id): > return b32encode(sha1(msg_id).digest()).decode() > ``` This is great to know. I assume the thread ID is generated the same way? > I can't help but wonder though how one has the Message-ID without having > the message. I'm wondering in general how often if ever the layperson > would be searching the archive for a Message-ID. Well I've been working with an import of 34 years of mail archives (200k messages or so), and we have several people spot checking what we have and fixing threading based on their archive. Since they have the message already, it would be easy to search for the message ID for them. The older archives predate RFC2822 by a decade or so and in-reply-to is missing or just wrong on quite a few of them. From what I can see it was migrated from LISTSERV to majordomo in 1993, then to mailman2 in 2008, and what I have for an archive was from the mail to NNTP spool, at least for the pre-1993 list. Thanks, -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Sudden increase in "***UNCHECKED***" in email subjects

by Dave Clements

Hi Peter and Mark, Thanks for the insight and fixes. We (we being Nate who is also on this list) think it was a lack of virtual memory on the server. This crashed ClamAV and it could not restart. Thus our mail really was unchecked. Restarting processes and cleaning up some things has fixed this. Cheers, Dave C On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 4:07 PM Peter Adebahr via Mailman-users < mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > On 7/18/20 7:46 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > On 7/18/20 9:30 AM, Dave Clements wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I have just noticed a big jump in the number of emails going out with > >> "***UNCHECKED***" added to the subject line. > > > > > > This does not come from Mailman. Some milter or other process in your > > MTA or elsewhere in the delivery chain is adding this to the Subject: > > > > Hi Dave, > > I had experienced the same symptom a while ago. For me, it was amavis > doing this. This behaviour could be corrected by adding this line to > amavisd.conf: > > > # $undecipherable_subject_tag = '[UNCHECKED] '; # undef disables it > $undecipherable_subject_tag = undef; > # > > Hope it helps :) > > Best regards, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- https://bcc2020.github.io/ https://galaxyproject.org/

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: 404 on fresh install (Debian11)

by Jeremy Stanley

On 2023-03-23 09:07:02 -0700 (-0700), Mark Sapiro wrote: [...] > bookworm (testing) and sid (unstable) do have current versions of > Mailman core and django-mailman3 and possibly mailman3-web > 0+20200530-2.1 has current Postorius and HyperKitty, but those are > generally not the Debian packages that most users would install. And those will also become out of date over time, because Debian is a stable server distribution so intentionally freezes the versions of software it supplies and backports only critical/security fixes to those increasingly outdated versions when warranted. Basically it's a question of whether users value stability with a bit of security support over newest versions of software and new features. The upstream Mailman packages on PyPI (and container images) cater to users who want the latest versions of the software, packages in stable server distros like Debian cater to users who want to safely go years between behavior changes in software. Both are valid choices, it just comes down to the user's specific situation. That said, when you have trouble with the packaged versions of software in Debian, the expectation is that you ask on Debian mailing lists and possibly report bugs in the Debian bug tracker, rather than burdening upstream software maintainers with details that might be specific to choices or mistakes in Debian's packages. The package maintainers in Debian generally forward bug reports upstream if they determine the issue you've encountered isn't related to how it's been packaged, isn't already fixed upstream (in which case they might backport the fix), et cetera. -- Jeremy Stanley

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Odd behavior: notifications for list membership, etc. from "owner user" sent as "owner user"?

by Thomas Ward

On 2026-07-10 12:58, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 7/10/26 09:01, Thomas Ward via Mailman-users wrote: >> >> Upon deeper trackdown of this, our owner user mailman(a)example.com is >> seeing messages sent to it from @lists.example.com and >> @distro.example.com from mailman(a)example.com (despite the From in the >> envelope being >> list-bounces+mailman=example.com(a)[lists|distro].example.com) > > These messages are sent to (envelope recipients) the list admins but > with a To: header of `list-owner@...` and a From: header of the > address configured as the site_owner in mailman.cfg. That introduces a problem too... the list-owner is *also* the site owner mailman(a)example.com. Short of me hardcoding an alternative (noreply(a)mailman.example.com) or such, or just changing site owner address, that will break some things. (site owner is IT - IT also owns all lists). > > You can change the From: from the site owner address to the > `list-owner@...` address with a patch like: > ``` > --- a/src/mailman/email/message.py > +++ b/src/mailman/email/message.py > @@ -237,10 +237,11 @@ class OwnerNotification(UserNotification): > if roster is None: > recipients = set([config.mailman.site_owner]) > to = config.mailman.site_owner > + sender = config.mailman.site_owner > else: > recipients = set(address.email for address in > roster.addresses) > to = mlist.owner_address > - sender = config.mailman.site_owner > + sender = mlist.owner_address > super().__init__(recipients, sender, subject, text, > mlist.preferred_language) > # Envelope sender > ``` >

1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Member Issue Discovered

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Victoriano Giralt writes: > El vie, 23-10-2020 a las 08:19 -0700, Mark Sapiro escribió: > > > > This would be more difficult for Postorius/Hyperkitty because those > > users are Django users, but that isn't an issue for Affinity. > > > > All of a sudden, an idea has dawned on me ... Wouldn't it be possible for > Postorius/Hyperkitty, both Django applications, to use Mailman core user > model as their User model? It is just a setting for Django > (AUTH_USER_MODEL). I find the "just a setting" claim a bit implausible. I suspect a certain amount of replumbing of Postorius and HyperKitty will be necessary to get it to work. Most important, the "AUTH_" is pretty scary. Mailman core has *no* authentication built in. It is assumed to be firewalled off from the rest of the world with only access from Postorius and HyperKitty permitted. Can you expand on how hard it would be to do this? Remember that some Mailman instances are either big targets (eg, Apple) or require good security for content reasons (lists for doctors' patient support groups, domestic violence support groups). This is not a great authn/authz model in the modern Internet, but as far as I can see changing it is going to be quite a lot of work, and none of us are authentication specialists (although Abhilash did study security, I don't think he specialized in authentication tech) -- providing reasonably reliable and secure authentication services, especially "social auth" (OpenAuth, OpenID etc) is an important reason we went with Django in the first place. Steve

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty threads by month question

by Bryan Fields

On 7/25/24 7:04 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 7/25/24 11:20, Bryan Fields wrote: >> When this happens, I get an email error below. > > > This is really wierd. See below. > >> line 88, in reverse >> return resolver._reverse_with_prefix(view, prefix, *args, **kwargs) >> File >> "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/urls/resolvers.py", line 828, in _reverse_with_prefix >> raise NoReverseMatch(msg) >> >> Exception Type: NoReverseMatch at >> /archives/list/nanog(a)nanog-mm3.keekles.org/ >> Exception Value: Reverse for 'hk_archives_with_month' with keyword >> arguments '{'year': 999, 'mlist_fqdn': 'nanog(a)nanog-mm3.keekles.org', >> 'month': 12}' not found. 2 pattern(s) tried: >> ['archives/list/(?P<mlist_fqdn>[^/@]+@[^/@]+)/(?P<year>\\d{4})/(?P<month>\\d\\d?)/$', 'hyperkitty/list/(?P<mlist_fqdn>[^/@]+@[^/@]+)/(?P<year>\\d{4})/(?P<month>\\d\\d?)/$'] >> Raised during: hyperkitty.views.mlist.overview > > > It appears to be trying to get the threads for December, 999. > > What do these queries show? > > SELECT * FROM hyperkitty_thread WHERE EXTRACT(year FROM date_active) < 1000; > > SELECT id FROM hyperkitty_email WHERE EXTRACT(year FROM date) < 1000; mailman=> \c mailmanweb You are now connected to database "mailmanweb" as user "mailman". mailmanweb=> SELECT * FROM hyperkitty_thread WHERE EXTRACT(year FROM date_active) < 1000; id | thread_id | date_active | category_id | mailinglist_id | starting_email_id -------+----------------------------------+------------------------+-------------+----------------+------------------- 35670 | GHLCKUC7TDEBAI27SKRQN5PWX3TGB26Q | 0102-04-15 20:06:12+00 | | 3 | 150555 (1 row) mailmanweb=> SELECT id FROM hyperkitty_email WHERE EXTRACT(year FROM date) < 1000; id -------- 136872 150555 (2 rows) Does this mean it imported archives with an invalid date somehow? Thanks, -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: redirecting -bounces replies

by Hirayama, Pat

HI Mark, On 6/26/25 13:16, Mark Sapiro wrote: >On 6/26/25 11:37, Hirayama, Pat wrote: >> >> When I look at the domains in mailman-core, I see: >> >>>>> show_domains() >> <Domain fhcrc.org> >> <Domain fredhutch.org> >> <Domain lists.fhcrc.org, , alias: lists.fredhutch.org> >> <Domain lists.hanc.info, , alias: > >> - owner: cit-sys-engineering(a)fredhutch.org > > >This is part of the problem. The alias domain for a list should not be a >real domain. Apparently, someone set this up so that mail to lists in >the lists.fhcrc.org domain would go to the corresponding list in the >lists.fredhutch.org domain. I think that may actually work, but you need >more. In order to add recipients to the patest-bounces addresses, the >recipient domains need to have an alias domain. In the cases below the >domains lists.fredhutch.org and lists.hanc.info. E.g set an alias domain >for lists.fredhutch.org to x.lists.fredhutch.org and for >lists.hanc.info to x.lists.hanc.info. Ah, I think that makes sense. So, add the alias domains here or through the CLI: [cid:3f6bbb96-1ec3-4bdd-9a59-991fc9d1e31b] Oh, does the alias domain x.lists.hanc.info (etc) need to be resolvable in DNS, or will it be internal just to Mailman? Thanks, -p Pat Hirayama Pronouns: he/him/his Systems Engineer IT | Systems Engineering Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center O 206.667.4856 phirayam(a)fredhutch.org ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: image.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Disable Sign-up per domain

by Mark

On 2025-08-01 19:40, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Please confirm that the issue only occurs with the modified > /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django_mailman3/views/user_adapter.py > and does not occur with the original .../user_adapter.py. > Hi Mark, In working through this I reverted the test server (which had the working "Disable") back to original, then re-applied the changes, and now I'm getting the same errors as on the Production server. I think it might be me screwing up somewhere. It's doing my head in today so I'll sleep on it and have another crack at it tomorrow. STEPS TAKEN =========== 1. Reset the "Test" server back to original. (a) I put the original "user_adapter.py" back in place. It contains: ... def is_open_for_signup(self, req): return False ... (b) Ensured that "settings.py" had the following completely removed: ... ACCOUNT_ADAPTER = 'django_mailman3.views.user_adapter.DisableSignupAdapter' ... (c) systemctl restart mailman3 systemctl restart mailmanweb (d) Reloaded browser with "lists" page for each domain and clicked "SignUp" on each. Result: As expected, both domains correctly displayed their SignUp pages. ----------- 2. Made the following changes to the "Test" server. (a) Edited /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django_mailman3/views/user_adapter.py It now contains: ... # def is_open_for_signup(self, req): # return False def is_open_for_signup(self, req): if req.META['HTTP_HOST'] == 'lists.MYDOMAIN.COM': return False else: return True ... (b) Appended to - /etc/mailman3/settings.py - the following: ACCOUNT_ADAPTER = 'django_mailman3.views.user_adapter.DisableSignupAdapter' (c) systemctl restart mailman3 systemctl restart mailmanweb Result: 502 Bad Gateway page and log shows ... raise self.model.DoesNotExist( django.contrib.sites.models.Site.DoesNotExist: Site matching query does not exist. ===========

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: translating templates (was: Re: spanish localization)

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

On 15/2/21 16:57, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Finally, although I said previously that the translated templates should > be submitted as a merge request, that can still be done, but is not > necessary. They can be translated in weblate. See > <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> > and<https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/825>. I had the templates translated now in UTF-8 coding map. I copied all of them en a new directory (es) under mailman package templates (as I can see are other languages): /usr/local/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman # ls templates __init__.py de es it __pycache__ en fr sk /usr/local/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman # ls templates/es domain:admin:notice:new-list.txt list:member:regular:header.txt help.txt list:user:action:invite.txt list:admin:action:post.txt list:user:action:subscribe.txt list:admin:action:subscribe.txt list:user:action:unsubscribe.txt list:admin:action:unsubscribe.txt list:user:notice:goodbye.txt list:admin:notice:disable.txt list:user:notice:hold.txt list:admin:notice:removal.txt list:user:notice:no-more-today.txt list:admin:notice:subscribe.txt list:user:notice:post.txt list:admin:notice:unrecognized.txt list:user:notice:probe.txt list:admin:notice:unsubscribe.txt list:user:notice:refuse.txt list:member:digest:header.txt list:user:notice:rejected.txt list:member:digest:masthead.txt list:user:notice:warning.txt list:member:generic:footer.txt list:user:notice:welcome.txt But mailman isn't aware of them (I restarted the server). May I have to execute some process as "compilemessages" to mailman be capable to use them? Now mailman is using the "en" templates for sure. After testing them I'll do both of the suggestionsyou made: a merge request AND the revision and translation via Weblate.

5 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Possibly more a Postfix question than a mailman one one but...

by Paul Tomblin

On Sat, Jun 13, 2026, at 12:47 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Mark Sapiro writes: > > On 6/12/26 3:03 PM, Paul Tomblin via Mailman-users wrote: > > > > > > Can i append or pre-pend another transport file in the > > > transport_maps listing and put in the entry for this domain > > > that's been bouncing people off my list because of too many > > > simultaneous connections? > > > > I don't know what the transport for this domain would be, but the > > transport_maps setting can contain any number of lookup tables. See > > <https://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#transport_maps>. > > Not sure exactly what you want; check the doc Mark recommends for I'm trying to set the destination_concurrency_limit, but only for one outgoing domain (rochester.rr.com) which complains of too many incoming connections when my neighborhood announcement mailing list, which has about 50 people with rochester.rr.com email address subscribed. 39 of those members just got unsubscribed, and since this list is run for little old ladies who barely understand that their computer has to be on in order to receive email, we tend to manage the subscriptions and re-subscriptions manually rather than ask the end users to do it. In mailman 2, I had my mailing list aliases in the virtual_alias_maps, and now in mailman 3 it's in transport-maps, and it's meant that some of the configuration I had before doesn't work. -- Paul Tomblin

2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Message is received but is not sent out. Another, similar message, is processed fine.

by Allan Hansen

Thank you both. Since the first message she sent was UTF-8 and the second iso-8859-8-I, I have asked her what she did diffently between the two messages. No response yet... But now being aware that this can happen when non-ASCII messages are sent, and how to find the issue when it does, is good. Yours, Allan On 6/27/23, 07:57, "Mark Sapiro" <mark(a)msapiro.net <mailto:mark@msapiro.net>> wrote: On 6/27/23 12:30 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > That said, if the users are unable or unwilling to use UTF-8, it would > be possible to create a codec for "iso-8859-8-i", I don't know how to > do that, and I doubt Mark does. You could ask on > python-list(a)python.org <mailto:python-list@python.org>, or file an RFE on Python's GitHub tracker. See https://github.com/python/cpython/issues/90079 <https://github.com/python/cpython/issues/90079> filed by me in Nov 2021. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net <mailto:mark@msapiro.net>> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org <mailto:mailman-users-leave@mailman3.org> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ <https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/> Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org <mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org>/message/4WPWU3SKGWM2BTG5AK3LWNG7FDIBVSTP/ This message sent to hansen(a)rc.org <mailto:hansen@rc.org>

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification

by Onyeibo Oku

On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 12:23:44 -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 10/21/22 09:56, Onyeibo Oku wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:52:03 -0700 > > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > >> Can you successfully start mailman (or run any mailman commands) > >> with, e.g. ``` > >> /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start > >> > >> or > >> > >> /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman info > >> ``` > >> without activating the venv? > >> > > > > Yes. All those are working without activating venv. > > > On my test installation with /etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service > installed per > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#starting-mailma… > > systemctl start|stop|status mailman3 > > all work. Assuming > ``` > python3 -c 'from pkg_resources import load_entry_point' > ``` > (not in your venv) returns no error, try replacing > /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman with > ``` > #!/opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 > # EASY-INSTALL-ENTRY-SCRIPT: > 'mailman==3.3.5','console_scripts','mailman' __requires__ = > 'mailman==3.3.5' import re > import sys > from pkg_resources import load_entry_point > > if __name__ == '__main__': > sys.argv[0] = re.sub(r'(-script\.pyw?|\.exe)?$', '', sys.argv[0]) > sys.exit( > load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.5', 'console_scripts', > 'mailman')() ) > ``` > Or in yours posted at > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > replace everything from the first `try:` through > `globals().setdefault(...)` with > ``` > from pkg_resources import load_entry_point > ``` > and see if that helps. I did the second alternative and replaced from "try" to the "globals ...". It works when I started it directly. However, I get a detailed traceback when systemd tries to start it. Here is what I got: Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: Traceback (most recent call last): Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 9, in <module> Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: from pkg_resources import load_entry_point Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 3267, in <module> Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: def _initialize_master_working_set(): Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 3241, in _call_aside Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: f(*args, **kwargs) Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 3279, in _initialize_master_working_set Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: working_set = WorkingSet._build_master() Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 564, in _build_master Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: ws = cls() Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 557, in __init__ Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: self.add_entry(entry) Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 613, in add_entry Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: for dist in find_distributions(entry, True): Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 2077, in find_on_path Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: for dist in factory(fullpath): Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 2142, in distributions_from_metadata Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: yield Distribution.from_location( Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 2606, in from_location Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: )._reload_version() Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 3004, in _reload_version Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: md_version = self._get_version() Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 2785, in _get_version Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: version = _version_from_file(lines) Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 2569, in _version_from_file Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: line = next(iter(version_lines), '') Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 2780, in _get_metadata Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: for line in self.get_metadata_lines(name): Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 1422, in get_metadata_lines Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: return yield_lines(self.get_metadata(name)) Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 1412, in get_metadata Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: value = self._get(path) Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 1616, in _get Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: with open(path, 'rb') as stream: Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld mailman[9253]: PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/zope.i18nmessageid-5.0.1-py3.10.egg-info/PKG-INFO' Oct 22 04:13:55 mail.server.tld systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE It seems one of the dependent packages (zope) requires certain privileges that systemd does not have. This may be what was failing initially. How might one solve this? Regards Onyeibo

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: lmtp runner not starting

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

El 1/4/23 a las 22:53, Mark Sapiro escribió: > On 4/1/23 12:44, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: >> >> I get the same error as before: > > > Did you post this traceback before? If so, I missed it. Yes. I did. when I configured debug in mailman.cfg as Odhiambo sugested > > > ... > The issue is in aiosmtpd which is trying to determine if it can use > IPv6 "::1" for localhost. It does this before it checks if we've > provided a hostname which we have. The issue is in > aiosmtp/controller.py in the get_localhost() function, but it's even > deeper than that in socket which is raising the Protocol not supported > error. > > There is something strange on your server in that IPv6 seems to be > only partially supported. I don't know for sure what the underlying > issue is, but look at > https://github.com/aio-libs/aiosmtpd/blob/master/aiosmtpd/controller.py#L49 > > Find aiosmtpd /controller.py in your venv/lib/python3.?/site-pacakages > directory and change that > > return has_ipv6 > > line to > > return False > that did the trick 14477 - SJ 0:01.12 /usr/local/bin/python3.9 /usr/local/bin/runner -C /usr/local/mailman3/var/etc/mailman.cfg --runner=lmtp:0:1 And now the lists are working as should. Thank you very very much. You are a saver. > to work around the issue. -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Multi-domain oddities in Hyperkitty and Postorius

by Jeremy Stanley

On 2022-12-14 17:26:59 -0800 (-0800), Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 12/14/22 13:40, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > > > > Once these entries are automatically added by visiting that page, > > they're all associated with the one "web host" ("site" in Django) we > > have for the server, and now the list filtering functionality in > > Postorius breaks and any of the vhosts all display the full set of > > mailing lists on the server rather than only those associated with a > > particular vhost (note that this seems to only be confusing > > Postorius, Hyperkitty has them correctly filtered still). > > See https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > and also below. [...] While this does appear to solve the problem on my test deployments, a challenge that I'm left with is how to automate it. Our community takes an "infrastructure as code" approach to all the services we run for our projects, and we make sure that we can automatically bootstrap every system from scratch into a working state. Unfortunately, I'm not having any luck finding an API or CLI which I can use to create sites and domains rather than manually doing it in the Django admin WebUI. Does such a thing exist, or an I going to need to resort to directly performing database inserts (which I'd rather avoid since it could break if the schema changes). It appears there's a foreign key relationship involved, which could make DB manipulation like this even more fragile. -- Jeremy Stanley

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: config incoming email in my domain cpanel

by Simon HANNA

On August 3, 2017 8:50:41 PM GMT+02:00, Rafael Mora <rafael.mora.guti(a)gmail.com> wrote: >El jue., 3 ago. 2017 a las 13:21, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) >escribió: > >> On 08/03/2017 10:42 AM, Rafael Mora wrote: >> > >> > I've found the MX records on my cpanel but how do I redirect the >emails >> > going to my list to my private server? >> >> >> You have to configure the MTA that is the MX for the domain to relay >the >> mail to the Mailman server. >> > >Our domain is: LABBRANDS.COM We have that domain config in a Hosgator >hosting. The emails sent to labbrands.com go to our hosting, so how do >I >tell cpanel in hostgator hosting that the mails sent to the list ( >mailing(a)labbrands.com) are redirect to the MTA (postfix) in my private >server (we have static public IP address) ?? > You can't redirect one email address using DNS! If you don't want to host an entire domain on your own server, I suggest using a subdomain (lists.example.con) instead. You could probably also redirect one email in cpanel to the subdomain, but I'm not sure how mailman and clients like emails with different domains... In theory postfix can send emails using any domain. You just have to make sure spf, dkim and PTR records are properly set. Otherwise you'll most likely get issues with rejected mail... -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

9 years

[MM3-users] Re: What implications do GDPR have on Mailman, and how to requiring members to accept registration

by Henrik Rasmussen

Mark Sapiro wrote: > I'm confused. Confirm sends a confirmation request to the subscribed > address which must be acted upon by the user before she is added to the > list. Moderate just means approval by an owner/moderator Oh sorry, you're right, I mixed up those two. > which, it seems > to me is more susceptible to a 3rd party subscribe succeeding - i.e., > subscription requires membership in some organization. A subscribes B > who is a member of the organization but doesn't want to be on the list. > The moderator verifies that B is an organization member and approves the > subscription. What I meant was, that the list admin may be able to set the list to Open or Moderate, making it possible to subscribe others, and I was told by our GDPR folks that we have to make the subscribers re-confirm, so I was just trying to figure out a way to do it. I don't know very much about GDPR yet. > Granted that this can be abused, but not allowing admins to directly add > members will probably create more problems than it solves. I agree, I wouldn't remove it either, but I just have to be concerned about the possibility that someone may have been subscribed against their will. Is there a way to resend a confirmation request to either those who haven't been requested to confirm or alternately to all subscribers? Henrik Rasmussen

8 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty web site

by Gelpi Andrea

Il 28/04/20 19:10, Mark Sapiro ha scritto: > On 4/28/20 9:40 AM, Gelpi Andrea wrote: >> >> If in django administration I rename that site it works. >> >> But having more than one domain this is not a solution. >> >> what i need is to separate different domains >> >> https:/website1/mailman3/hyperkitty shows some lists >> https:/website2/mailman3/hyperkitty shows other lists > > > There are issues with FILTER_VHOST. See > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/394> for the Postorius > issue. This will be fixed for Postorius in the next release. > > For HyperKitty, the issue is > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/254>. This is not yet fixed. > > Currently, if FILTER_VHOST is True, HyperKitty only shows lists in the > index for which the list's domain matches the domain in the accessing > url with a leading 'www.' stripped. > > E.g. list(a)example.com will only show on the index if the accessing URL's > host is example.com or www.example.com, but not if it is say > lists.example.com. > Thank You I just discovered it. I put a workaround for now in index.py so also list.example.com works. # Domain filtering if settings.FILTER_VHOST: domain = request.get_host().split(":")[0] if domain.startswith("www."): domain = domain[4:] #gg# Added by Gelpi if domain.startswith("list."): domain = domain[5:] domain = "@%s" % domain mlists = mlists.filter(name__iendswith=domain) Regards -- Gelpi ing. Andrea -------------------------------------------------------------- It took the computing power of three C-64s to fly to the Moon. It takes a 486 to run Windows 95. Something is wrong here. --------------------------------------------------------------

6 years, 3 months

[MM3-users]Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman3 administration

by Barry Warsaw

On Jun 18, 2016, at 12:10 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >because I want to run all the Mailman pieces from >the heads of their branches rather than what's in PyPI, but even without >that, installation is significantly more work than installing a distro's >package. My hope is that the upcoming 3.1 release will be much more solid and usable than 3.0 so that you won't have to run from the git heads. I think of it very much like Python 3.0 and 3.1 - the 3.0 release was really a stake in the ground and a major milestone so that people will start using it in anger and helping us understand the priorities for fixing and improving it. In that we've succeeded I believe (witness in addition to Mark's work on python.org, that the Fedora mailing lists have all been converted to use MM3). There are a number of interesting options for improving the turnkey installation of MM3. There are Debian folks who are waiting for 3.1 to complete the packaging work there, and there are docker/juju/etc. containerization work happening too. >I will say that once you have Mailman 3 installed and running, updating >(which I do frequently, but which doesn't need to be done unless you >want specific updates/fixes) is pretty easy. Yes, we're trying to be very serious about upgrades and backward compatibility, so that even if you bravely install 3.0 today, it should always be easy to upgrade to the next point release. Similarly, I try to keep core's git head always working so you could track that if you want. Cheers, -Barry

10 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: FYI: Django security releases issued: 4.0.6 and 3.2.14

by David Newman

On 7/8/22 6:34 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > David Newman writes: > > > Interesting -- that does produce two directories with names starting > > with a tilde: > > > > /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/~jango: > > /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/~jango-3.0.14.dist-info: > > I would guess that those are the previous versions before the upgrade, > moved out of the way in case a revert-to-previous was needed. Again, > guessing, they should have been removed by the upgrade process once > the new package was fully installed. Was there an interrupted or > partially successful upgrade in the past? Yes > > So I would guess you can remove them. Probably you have the relevant > Ubuntu packages cached somewhere, and they're probably available from > Ubuntu if you really wanted them. This system runs Debian 11, with everything installed in a venv. I'm unclear on the relationship between the usual apt* tools and pip, and just do everything Mailman-related using pip. On 7/8/22 7:47 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > When pip is doing an upgrade of the xyz package, it renames the existing > package as ~yz and then ultimately deletes the old ~yz package after > successfully installing the new xyz. In this case, the upgrade was > aborted because of the Django<3.1 constraint in mailman-web and > apparently pip then installed Django<3.1 and left the ~jango* > directories behind. Ahhh, that explains it. Thanks for your replies. I've deleted the ~ directories and so far have not noticed any adverse effects. dn

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Aborted connection message in log in every 5 minutes

by Danil Smirnov

Hi Mark, On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 3:12 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > The only thing that runs every 5 minutes is `mailman gatenews`. The > issue may be with that. You could try running it manually via > ``` > _MAILMAN_GATENEWS_NNTP=yes;sudo -u list mailman gatenews > ``` > I observe occasional error messages in MariaDB log even with NNTP runner disabled via ``` [runner.nntp] start: no ``` They look like this: ``` 2024-01-31 0:23:03 231666 [Warning] Aborted connection 231666 to db: 'mailman_core' user: 'root' host: '192.168.32.7' (Got timeout reading communication packets) 2024-01-31 6:00:09 232888 [Warning] Aborted connection 232888 to db: 'mailman_core' user: 'root' host: '192.168.32.7' (Got timeout reading communication packets) 2024-01-31 9:19:34 231643 [Warning] Aborted connection 231643 to db: 'mailman_core' user: 'root' host: '192.168.32.7' (Got timeout reading communication packets) 2024-01-31 9:19:35 232847 [Warning] Aborted connection 232847 to db: 'mailman_core' user: 'root' host: '192.168.32.7' (Got timeout reading communication packets) 2024-01-31 9:19:35 233069 [Warning] Aborted connection 233069 to db: 'mailman_web' user: 'root' host: '192.168.32.4' (Got timeout reading communication packets) 2024-01-31 9:19:35 233068 [Warning] Aborted connection 233068 to db: 'mailman_web' user: 'root' host: '192.168.32.4' (Got timeout reading communication packets) 2024-01-31 9:19:35 233070 [Warning] Aborted connection 233070 to db: 'mailman_web' user: 'root' host: '192.168.32.4' (Got timeout reading communication packets) 2024-01-31 9:19:35 233071 [Warning] Aborted connection 233071 to db: 'mailman_web' user: 'root' host: '192.168.32.4' (Got timeout reading communication packets) ``` However, no harm caused by them was detected. BR, Danil Smirnov Sincerely, Danil Smirnov

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Can't subscribe on new site/domain

by Flo

On 10/9/25 19:19, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/9/25 5:02 AM, Flo via Mailman-users wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I added a new site in Django: lists.example.com >> >> Usually I click on 'view site' and I can add a Domain in Postorios. In >> this case I get an error message and I need to add a Domain in Django. >> Then I can go to 'view site'. >> >> I can create a mailing list there. However when I send an email to be >> subscribed, I get the following in mailman.log (and nothing else >> happens): >> >> >> Oct 09 13:46:24 2025 (110452) deque: do_confirm_verify >> Traceback (most recent call last): > ... >> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/model/domain.py", line >> 177, in __getitem__ >> raise KeyError(mail_host) >> KeyError: 'lists.example.com' > > It appears you don't have a domain in Mailman core with mail_host = > 'lists.example.com'. > > Do you see one in Postorius' domains view? If not, perhaps you need to > add it. > I can see it in Postorius. I have created the a simialar site before and deleted the site and then again created this one. Maybe the database is messed up? I have deleted site - group - list now. And created the site again. If I go to 'view site' I see all mailing lists on the server and not only from this site/domain. This is the first thing where it shows irregularities. Flo

10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Can't post to my own list from HyperKitty

by MegaBrutal

Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> ezt írta (időpont: 2025. ápr. 8., K, 4:06): > On 4/7/25 17:45, MegaBrutal via Mailman-users wrote: > > > > So it's even weirder – however, I'm really not sure if this is the > address > > HyperKitty is checking for, as I have 3 attached to my account! > > How may I know which one it's trying to use? > > If you go to https://example.com/user-profile/ what Primary email and > Other emails do you see? Do you see all three? And if you go to > https://example.com/mailman3/users and click Manage for your address, do > you see all 3 under Addresses? Now I see a difference here! User-profile shows my GMail address as primary and my own-domain address as secondary. The third address is not present, because I actually wanted to get rid of it, and it seems I succeeded in that. Mailman3/users shows me with the address I wanted to get rid of. If I click Manage, I see all 3 addresses, with (for some reason) only the GMail one being verified (strange because I'm sure I verified the other as well). And here's something interesting: it shows me as a member with my GMail address under subscriptions, but shows me with my megabrutal.com domain under ownerships. This might be the cause? Maybe HyperKitty wants to use my owner identity, which is not subscribed? Btw, is the owner not automatically considered as someone who can post to the list, they also need to be subscribed?

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: mail stuck in "out" queue

by pdw＠mythic-beasts.com

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 12/10/24 07:44, pdw(a)mythic-beasts.com wrote: > > First check to ensure there are no files in Mailman's var/templates/ > directory that are not readable by the Mailman user. That can cause this > issue. Checked, and I've also tried removing all templates for the affected list. > > After multiple restarts trying to get some debug information, the hard loop seems to have stopped recurring, and the messages are sat in the "shunt" queue. They've not been delivered to recipients, but they are in the hyperkitty archive. > > The shunted messages should have a SHUNTING entry with an exception and > traceback in mailman.log. If there were files unreadable by Mailman in > Mailman's var/templates/ directory and you have corrected that, you can > move the shunted messages back to their original queue with mailman unshunt. I've now found the SHUNT entries and the exceptions seem related to restarting mailman (see below) so that much makes sense. unshunting does indeed restore them, but unfortunately they're now back in the looping state. Paul Shunting exception: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 179, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 278, in _process_one_file self.switchboard.enqueue(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/switchboard.py", line 122, in enqueue filebase = now + '+' + hashlib.sha1(hashfood).hexdigest() ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 117, in signal_handler raise RunnerInterrupt mailman.interfaces.runner.RunnerInterrupt Dec 17 21:25:51 2024 (1039773) SHUNTING: 1734470750.961038+b6946081a6c85ed7c03d221af87b87463eaf68e1 Dec 17 21:25:51 2024 (1039773) out runner exiting.

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to delete non-users

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > My original point is the presence of a nonmember role should not prevent > the user from subscribing. If there is an issue with subscribing it is > probably because of the outstanding subscription request waiting > moderator approval. I don't think it is likely, but is it possible that the moderator is not just refusing the subscription, but banning the address from subscribing? > I understand that you would like the nonmember role to disappear, but > that isn't going to happen in the distribution, and I can't undertake > the extensive effort required to figure out how you can do it for your site. It seems to me that explicitly displaying the nonmember role is an internal and/or administrative need, and most ordinary users are only interested in whether they are subscribed or not. If the list appears in "their" list of list, they're going to assume they're subscribed. (We've even had that confusion about moderators and owners in the past.) I haven't done any deep thinking about this, but perhaps we could provide a more streamlined view tuned to this specific need? That is, the role won't go away, but at least in some contexts you'll have to ask explicitly for that user-list relationship to be displayed. Also, IIRC Allan's community contains a substantial group of folks with visual impairments, presumably including admins and moderators. Especially to serve that circumstance I think it makes sense for us to provide streamlined views that are more easily grasped as a whole where we can.

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 throws 500 error (unicode encode) when loading held messages in Postorius

by Simon Handfield

Hi Mark, thanks for correcting my assumption. Based on your information I have been able to identify the suspect message file in /var/lib/mailman3/messages, replace the suspect file with another file, update the file permissions and successfully load the held messages page. This allowed me to discard the suspect message and other held messages are then available for review again. In case the steps below help someone else who is having this issue here are the steps I followed with my initial search string redacted: Searched all files in messages folder for matching string: cd /var/lib/mailman3/messages grep -ir [REDACTED] * Finds string in one file: Binary file HE/D7/HED7SJLGJXTJ35AESY32AZXYPXDEVUVV matches Check whether file can be parsed using mailman command: mailman qfile ./HE/D7/HED7SJLGJXTJ35AESY32AZXYPXDEVUVV Throws a matching error: [----- start pickle -----] <----- start object 1 -----> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/mailman", line 11, in <module> load_entry_point('mailman==3.1.1', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 97, in main args.func(args) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/commands/cli_qfile.py", line 81, in process printer.pprint(obj) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/pprint.py", line 139, in pprint self._format(object, self._stream, 0, 0, {}, 0) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/pprint.py", line 161, in _format rep = self._repr(object, context, level) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/pprint.py", line 393, in _repr self._depth, level) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/pprint.py", line 405, in format return _safe_repr(object, context, maxlevels, level) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/pprint.py", line 555, in _safe_repr rep = repr(object) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/email/message.py", line 45, in __repr__ return self.__str__() File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/message.py", line 135, in __str__ return self.as_string() File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/message.py", line 158, in as_string g.flatten(self, unixfrom=unixfrom) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 116, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 181, in _write self._dispatch(msg) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 214, in _dispatch meth(msg) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 272, in _handle_multipart g.flatten(part, unixfrom=False, linesep=self._NL) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 116, in flatten self._write(msg) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 181, in _write self._dispatch(msg) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 214, in _dispatch meth(msg) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/generator.py", line 243, in _handle_text msg.set_payload(payload, charset) File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/message.py", line 315, in set_payload payload = payload.encode(charset.output_charset) UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 8-9: ordinal not in range(128) Move suspicious file out of messages: mv ./HE/D7/HED7SJLGJXTJ35AESY32AZXYPXDEVUVV /root/20200914/ held_messages page still throws 500 error. Checking debug log, it is now because the database references a file that is no longer there. Can I just copy a parseable file to the path of the bad file so I can delete it or do I need to remove the reference from the database? Copy some other file: cp ZZ/B2/ZZB24ADTZ2BOKBWTQWI7KG4XACGR6DTJ HE/D7/HED7SJLGJXTJ35AESY32AZXYPXDEVUVV Still throws an error but this time it's a permissions error. mailman can't access the copied file: ls -l HE/D7/ -rw-r----- 1 root root 78472 Sep 14 12:48 HED7SJLGJXTJ35AESY32AZXYPXDEVUVV chown list:list HE/D7/HED7SJLGJXTJ35AESY32AZXYPXDEVUVV chmod g+w HE/D7/HED7SJLGJXTJ35AESY32AZXYPXDEVUVV ls -l HE/D7/ -rw-rw---- 1 list list 78472 Sep 14 12:48 HED7SJLGJXTJ35AESY32AZXYPXDEVUVV held_messages now loads OK. Cheers, Simon. ________________________________ From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent: Saturday, 12 September 2020 06:17 To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 throws 500 error (unicode encode) when loading held messages in Postorius On 9/6/20 3:39 PM, Simon Handfield via Mailman-users wrote: > Thanks for your advice, Stephen. > > As I've removed the file from the shunt queue I don't believe that file is causing the 500 error any more. > > I've confirmed the error is not cached in the browser. > > If the issue does not reside in the shunt queue (no other files indicate parse errors when checking via command line) are there any other places I should look for data that is addressed by that page? As Steve said, messages in the shunt queue have nothing to do with the held messages view in postorius. Held messages are in Mailman's var/messages/ directory and referenced by entries in the message table in the database which in turn are referenced by entries in the pendedkeyvalue table. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai… _ [State Library of NSW]<https://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/> Simon Handfield Desktop and Infrastructure Leader simon.handfield(a)sl.nsw.gov.au<mailto:simon.handfield@sl.nsw.gov.au> +61 2 9273 1535 Macquarie Street, Sydney NSW 2000, Australia www.sl.nsw.gov.au<https://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/> This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. 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5 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Help request, almost got it going, but ....

by Claus-Justus Heine

I think I found the bug; I have posted a comment to the issue mentioned by Mark https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/58 Regards Claus Am 02.09.2017 um 01:20 schrieb Claus-Justus Heine via Mailman-users: > Oh well. > > Am 01.09.2017 um 23:44 schrieb Mark Sapiro: >> On 09/01/2017 02:33 PM, Claus-Justus Heine via Mailman-users wrote: >>> >>> Seemingly, at some point in the deep dungeons of the source code the >>> "Acceptable aliases" Text-Box is not interpreted correctly. >>> >>> Specifically, at the start it contains the string >>> >>> [] >> >> >> See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/58>. > > there they talk about fancy "uni-code thinks" (email addresses?) where > the task is to convert a new-line separated text-field into an array. Oops. > > Kind thanks anyway. > >> >> In order to set things on this page, you need to clear the Acceptable >> aliases box before submitting changes. You can't actually set Acceptable >> aliases via Postorius until this is fixed. > > The issue seems not to be overly active. I thought -- coming from > Mailman v2 -- that the configuration of acceptable submitters to an > email list (e.g. keep everyone moderated?) would be a central and > prominent and important configuration issue. Seems not to be a central > point. Mmmh. > > Thanks > > Claus > > -- Claus-Justus Heine himself(a)claus-justus-heine.de http://www.claus-justus-heine.de/ Schatzmeister der Camerata Academica Freiburg e.V. --- www.cafev.de

8 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: installation

by Henry S

Thanks Mark and Brian. I'll try the suggestions. My IP might have got blocked by CBL when testing mailman3 against a Gmail address. I have since removed it from CBL. I don't know how my IP got into the Outlook's block list. Maybe a used one. Will try DKIM signing and Microsoft programs. On 23/11/2020 11:59 am, Brian Carpenter wrote: > > On 11/22/20 6:54 PM, Henry S wrote: >> >> Now I am trying to figure out how to configure mailman+postfix to >> pass the unnecessarily convoluted world of spam-free certification >> and ip blockings by those 'security lawmakers'. >> >> Any suggestions on how to not be blocked by gmail, hotmail, etc? I >> have used DKIM (no signing yet), SPF, DMARC to no avail. Maybe not an >> appropriate question to this mailman list. > > Mark Sapiro provided some very good suggestions. > > Is this a new IP address or one that has been used for mail traffic > for a white? The only way Gmail and Hotmail will block an IP address > is if you have some major outgoing spamming problems or in the case of > a new IP address, the IP address has a sordid history which will be > reveal if you do a RBL check on it. > > Gmail likes SPF records and MTA's that utilizes SSL for outbound mail. > > For Hotmail deliveries, you will want to signed up for Microsoft's > Smart Network Data Service (SNDS) program which I find very good. Also > sign up for their JMRP program for your IP address. > >

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification

by Onyeibo Oku

On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 09:38:37 -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 10/31/22 00:17, Onyeibo Oku wrote: > > > > It is not finding the logger file. The other django project on this > > machine is running fine. I can confirm that the logger plugin is > > installed. I must be missing something. > > If you are following > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#initial-configu… > take note of > ``` > # Make sure that this directory is created or Django will fail on > start. LOGGING['handlers']['file']['filename'] = > '/opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log' > ``` > ` [Reviving this thread]. I abandoned the hyperkitty setup for a while and returned to it again today. I made progress. It turns out that I needed the uwsgi-logger-file rpm package and It wasn't installed with the uwsgi server. I adapted the settings also, since I was using Emperor mode (recall that there are other Django projects on the box). Currently, mailman, uwsgi and nginx are all running. They all seem to be happy until I assess the mailman-web home URL (e.g. http://my.server.com) The outcome: "502 Bad Gateway" Nothing shows in the logs except at /var/log/nginx/error.log: 2022/12/08 15:35:10 [error] 5879#5879: *7 upstream prematurely closed connection while reading response header from upstream, client: 105.113.33.89, server: my.server.com, request: "GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.1", upstream: "http://127.0.0.1:8000/favicon.ico", host: "my.server.com", referrer: "https://my.server.com/". Something seems to be wrong between uwsgi and mailman, but I don't know where to look. Regards Onyeibo

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Command Emails not Working

by Brinson, Jason T

Mark, First, thank you for your patience. So, I scoured my logs looking for mentions of -join or -request emails and couldn’t find anything. So I went back and checked the source for one the emails that was in moderation and found this: Received: from esa.hc4021-78.iphmx.com (esa.hc4021-78.iphmx.com [207.54.93.77]) by cc-postoffice-01.cc.gatech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF674400A3C for <demo-list(a)mailman.cc.gatech.edu>; Wed, 22 Apr 2026 17:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Which in the logs looked like this: Apr 22 17:28:02 cc-postoffice-01 postfix/pickup[655521]: AB3E2400ACA: uid=1028 from=<mailman> Apr 22 17:28:02 cc-postoffice-01 postfix/cleanup[676116]: AB3E2400ACA: message-id=<20260422212802.AB3E2400ACA(a)cc-postoffice-01.cc.gatech.edu> Apr 22 17:28:02 cc-postoffice-01 postfix/qmgr[523389]: AB3E2400ACA: from=<mailman(a)cc-postoffice-01.cc.gatech.edu>, size=1537, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Apr 22 17:28:02 cc-postoffice-01 postfix/local[675259]: AB3E2400ACA: to=<mailman(a)cc-postoffice-01.cc.gatech.edu>, orig_to=<mailman>, relay=local, delay=0.63, delays=0.63/0/0/0, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to mailbox) Apr 22 17:28:02 cc-postoffice-01 postfix/qmgr[523389]: AB3E2400ACA: removed [root@cc-postoffice-01 ~]# journalctl -u postfix | grep AF674400A3C Apr 22 17:27:54 cc-postoffice-01 postfix/smtpd[677096]: AF674400A3C: client=esa.hc4021-78.iphmx.com[207.54.93.77] Apr 22 17:27:54 cc-postoffice-01 postfix/cleanup[676116]: AF674400A3C: message-id=<BN0PR07MB876638D9CD221355993FF318A02D2(a)BN0PR07MB8766.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Apr 22 17:27:54 cc-postoffice-01 postfix/qmgr[523389]: AF674400A3C: from=<shae(a)cc.gatech.edu>, size=14593, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Apr 22 17:27:54 cc-postoffice-01 postfix/lmtp[677032]: AF674400A3C: to=<demo-list(a)mailman.cc.gatech.edu>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.3, delays=0.28/0/0.01/0.01, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) Apr 22 17:27:54 cc-postoffice-01 postfix/qmgr[523389]: AF674400A3C: removed But when you dig into the source of the message the actual to field is: From: "Brinson, Jason T" <shae(a)cc.gatech.edu> To: "demo-list-join(a)cc.gatech.edu" <demo-list-join(a)cc.gatech.edu> Subject: Test Thread-Topic: Test Thread-Index: AQHc0p7SggqXD6aw1U2cnq5Fx0tjdg== Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2026 21:27:52 +0000 Message-ID: <BN0PR07MB876638D9CD221355993FF318A02D2(a)BN0PR07MB8766.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> The Message-ID matches what is in the log file, and it is obviously not addressed to just demo-list. I am missing something obvious here I feel. ----------------- Jason "Shae" Brinson (They/Them) IT Support Professional Sr. Georgia Institute of Technology College of Computing 801 Atlantic Drive NW Atlanta, GA 30332 Phone: 404-894-7065 Email: jason.brinson(a)cc.gatech.edu<mailto:jason.brinson@cc.gatech.edu> From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2026 at 15:59 To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Command Emails not Working On 4/22/26 10:23 AM, Brinson, Jason T via Mailman-users wrote: > As requested: > > Posfix log (journalctl -u | grep demo-list): > Apr 22 11:14:16 cc-postoffice-01 postfix/qmgr[523389]: E6943400A9D: from=<demo-list-bounces(a)cc.gatech.edu<mailto:demo-list-bounces@cc.gatech.edu>>, size=1853, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > Apr 22 11:14:48 cc-postoffice-01 postfix/lmtp[523634]: F1957400A9D: to=<demo-list+1a65bace2719a299598865b8e3bf7b78d1ec0a5f(a)mailman.cc.gatech.edu<mailto:demo-list+1a65bace2719a299598865b8e3bf7b78d1ec0a5f@mailman.cc.gatech.edu>>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.59, delays=0.5/0.01/0.01/0.07, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) > Apr 22 11:14:50 cc-postoffice-01 postfix/qmgr[523389]: 089D0400A9D: from=<demo-list-bounces(a)cc.gatech.edu<mailto:demo-list-bounces@cc.gatech.edu>>, size=20898, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > Apr 22 11:14:50 cc-postoffice-01 postfix/lmtp[523634]: 089D0400A9D: to=<demo-list-owner(a)mailman.cc.gatech.edu<mailto:demo-list-owner@mailman.cc.gatech.edu>>, orig_to=<demo-list-owner(a)cc.gatech.edu<mailto:demo-list-owner@cc.gatech.edu>>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.02, delays=0/0/0.01/0.01, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) > Apr 22 11:14:50 cc-postoffice-01 postfix/qmgr[523389]: 40995400A9D: from=<demo-list-bounces(a)cc.gatech.edu<mailto:demo-list-bounces@cc.gatech.edu>>, size=1322, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > Apr 22 11:14:52 cc-postoffice-01 postfix/qmgr[523389]: 1063C400A9D: from=<demo-list-bounces+jbrinson3=gatech.edu(a)cc.gatech.edu<mailto:demo-list-bounces+jbrinson3=gatech.edu@cc.gatech.edu>>, size=21257, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > Apr 22 11:20:47 cc-postoffice-01 postfix/qmgr[523389]: 9D5E0400A3C: from=<demo-list-bounces(a)cc.gatech.edu<mailto:demo-list-bounces@cc.gatech.edu>>, size=1860, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > Apr 22 11:21:56 cc-postoffice-01 postfix/lmtp[526023]: EEB2640083E: to=<demo-list+ae434bc0e6da7e08d0b66c8abf94e259e0c5e8a1(a)mailman.cc.gatech.edu<mailto:demo-list+ae434bc0e6da7e08d0b66c8abf94e259e0c5e8a1@mailman.cc.gatech.edu>>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.28, delays=0.26/0/0.01/0.01, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) > Apr 22 11:21:57 cc-postoffice-01 postfix/qmgr[523389]: C12EA40083E: from=<demo-list-bounces(a)cc.gatech.edu<mailto:demo-list-bounces@cc.gatech.edu>>, size=1326, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > Apr 22 11:21:57 cc-postoffice-01 postfix/qmgr[523389]: C6D87400A9D: from=<demo-list-bounces(a)cc.gatech.edu<mailto:demo-list-bounces@cc.gatech.edu>>, size=24425, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > Apr 22 11:21:57 cc-postoffice-01 postfix/lmtp[526023]: C6D87400A9D: to=<demo-list-owner(a)mailman.cc.gatech.edu<mailto:demo-list-owner@mailman.cc.gatech.edu>>, orig_to=<demo-list-owner(a)cc.gatech.edu<mailto:demo-list-owner@cc.gatech.edu>>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.02, delays=0/0/0.01/0.01, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) > Apr 22 11:21:59 cc-postoffice-01 postfix/qmgr[523389]: A72C940083E: from=<demo-list-bounces+jbrinson3=gatech.edu(a)cc.gatech.edu<mailto:demo-list-bounces+jbrinson3=gatech.edu@cc.gatech.edu>>, size=24784, nrcpt=1 (queue active) I don't see any messages there about mail to=<demo-list-join(a)cc.gatech.edu> or to=<demo-list-request(a)cc.gatech.edu>. Don't use journalctl. do, e.g., grep 'demo-list-(join|request)' /var/log/mail.log and then grep the queue IDs of the messages found to see all the relevant messages. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…<https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/> Archived at: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…<https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> This message sent to jbrinson3(a)gatech.edu

3 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Uncaught runner exception: 'str' object has no attribute 'decode'

by Henrik Rasmussen

> Fra: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark@msapiro.net] > Sendt: 2. oktober 2017 17:26 > Emne: [MM3-users] Re: Uncaught runner exception: 'str' object has no attribute 'decode' > >> Is there some kind of workaround, I can give my users or something that the list admins can do as a workaround? > > There is no user or list admin workaround, but the defense is a fairly > simple patch. See the MR at > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/merge_requests/322> and the commit > at > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/commit/37b3f62afdf225a8e29b66fcefcdb56b9…>. > The commit changes 7 files, but only two are needed. The rests are tests > or reverting <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/256> which isn't >necessary. > > The only changes you need are those to mailman/email/message.py and > mailman/mta/connection.py. I am using Docker-mailman (not yet very familiar Docker and version control). I would expect I have to wait for a Docker-mailman release including this change, right? I have at least five+ lists which almost haven't been working since my switch from Mailman 2.1 to Mailman 3.1 (Docker-mailman 0.1.1), and I am desperate trying to figure out whether it is best to fall back to the Mailman 2 server, for the time being, where the lists came from, or it is better to wait for an update to the Docker-image. Will https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/milestone/2 fix my problems regarding failed mail handling and will it become available soon (when?) (https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/issues/147)? -- Henrik Rasmussen <her(a)adm.ku.dk> University of Copenhagen, Danmark

8 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailing list aliases

by Abhilash Raj

On Fri, 2018-01-19 at 16:30 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 01/19/2018 03:09 PM, Dmitry Makovey wrote: > > Not sure whether to mark this "SOLVED" yet - but when I manually updated > > postgres DB with the aliases I wanted - everything started to work as > > expected. > > > > so it does sound like a bug in mailman-core 3.3.0 . Shall I file it or > > was it already fixed in 3.3.1 (anouncement page didn't list that fix) > > > As far as I know, this is not a bug in core. It is > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/58> however, this may in > fact be a bug in the REST API in which case I don't think it's fixed in > API 3.3.1 I guess we are all talking about the same thing, but just to mention, 3.1.1 is the latest release (instead of 3.3.1). > > > > 2. Related to #1 - we've migrated our mailing lists from foo(a)my.com to > > > foo(a)lists.my.com however we've preserved old addresses. But in new setup > > > mail sent in gets stopped for moderation with: "X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: > > > implicit-dest" . What's the best course of action here to get mailing > > > list respond to multiple email addresses? > > > acceptable_aliases is the way to address this, but as you note, it can't > be properly set via Postorius and possibly via REST. > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ -- thanks, Abhilash Raj

8 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Opinions wanted.

by John Price

On Sat, Mar 07, 2026 at 05:00:43PM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 3/7/26 15:42, Thomas Hochstein wrote: > > John Price wrote: > > > > > For any setting N items per page, if actualy number of items is less > > > than or equal to N, no need to render, no need for dropdown. Don't > > > show it. > > > > Wouldn't that result in a situation where you can use the dropdown to > > show more entries, but would often not be able go back to show less > > entries, as the dropdown won't be displayed? > > > That's the main argument against it. The counter argument is you can use the > browser's back button or refetch the URL without the count= fragment, but > there is concern that there could be circumstances where that doesn't work. I see now what the problem is and Thomas has changed my mind. Always show pulldown. It's janky to have to use the back button after changing the number per page larger, and it goes away. No one wants janky. :) -- "All of the people in my building are insane. The guy above me designs synthetic hairballs for ceramic cats. The lady across the hall tried to rob a department store... with a pricing gun... She said, "Give me all of the money in the vault, or I'm marking down everything in the store..." Have a great day and don't forget to laugh! http://www.gcfl.net (The Good, Clean Funnies List): Good, clean daily funnies you can safely tell your Mom!

5 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Subscription issue with ghost confirmations

by Brian Carpenter

On 10/31/20 10:28 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > Hi Mark, > > This has occurred again. A person sends an email to listname-subscribe@listdomain and the subscription policy of said list is set to moderate only. Instead of honoring this, a confirmation email is sent out. Now the email address that made this request does not show up at all in any of my logs. There is no record of them making a previous subscription attempt before the subscription policy was changed to moderate. Here are some observations: > > 1. The two occurrences of this happening was to Gmail users. > 2. The two occurrences of this happening was when an email is being sent to the listname-subscribe@listdomain address. > 3. This is only happening on 1 list. > > This may have no bearing on the issue but the list address of this problematic list is ******-owners@listdomain. I know there is an alias created for each list that is listname-owner@listdomain. Just throwing that out there. > > <princess-leia-voice>Help me Obi-Wan Sapiro. You are my only hope.</princess-leia-voice> > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ So I confirmed this happening on another MM3 server. Setting a subscription policy to open/moderate and sending an email to listname-subscribe@listdomain from an email address that has no previous interaction with the MM3 server results in a confirmation email being sent out. So the question now is: Is this a bug? Or an intentional design? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Strange messages after upgrading Mailman3

by Allan Hansen

Thank you, Mark, as always. We upgraded to the latest versions: Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.7 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.9.2 (default, Feb 28, 2021, 17:03:44) [GCC 10.2.1 20210110] Also, I don't have any umbrella lists. Yours, Allan On 12/4/22, 20:33 , "Mark Sapiro" <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: On 12/4/22 20:09, Allan Hansen wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been getting a few of these messages after my Mailman 3 was upgraded: > > "The content of this message was lost. It was probably cross-posted to > multiple lists and previously handled on another list." > > The messages appear to come from list members and are distributed to the relevant lists, but with nothing of the original contents. > They have appeared on different lists with, apparently different senders (unless spoofed). > Other messages are going through the system unchanged. > > Anyone has any ideas? To what version did you upgrade? This is most likely https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/955 which was fixed in Mailman core 3.3.6, but it could be https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1027 if the posts are to umbrella lists (lists with other lists as members). -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ Archived at: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/<a href=>/message/PTXMXLRL4XLU5O7VW6X347FMQ3DLLXIK/">https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… This message sent to hansen(a)rc.org

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: migrate MM3 list from an old server to a new one

by IEM Network Operation Center (IOhannes m zmölnig)

thanks both Mark and Odhiambo (who replied off-list) for your answers. On 8/6/24 18:40, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 8/6/24 01:43, noc(a)iem.at wrote: >> >> but how can i export an entire MM3 list (including 20 years of >> archives) to some serialization format, and import it again in another >> instance? > > > With the dump and other utilities from your database manager. Almost > everything is in the database. There are some things in Mailman's var/ > directory, but those can simply be moved. > urgh. while this will (hopefully) work with a fresh installation, i'm somewhat afraid whether this will also work for: - migrating a single list from one instance to another (at least, if you (like me) do not have have an intimate knowledge about the db layout) - importing lists into an instance that is already populated with other lists (things like changed db schemas come to my mind) right now my task is to move both some MM3 lists (from an old MM3 instance) and some MM2 lists onto a single server with a fresh installation, so i guess i will be fine. my worries are mostly about future migrations. is a feature-request warranted, or am i worrying too much? gfasmdr IOhannes PS: thanks for finding and fixing the issue with my PGP signature not allowing me to post! ___________________________________________ Die Inhaltsfilterung von Mailman hat die folgenden MIME-Teile aus dieser Nachricht entfernt. Content-Type: application/pgp-keys Name: OpenPGP_0xB65019C47F7A36F8.asc

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: Prototype import [was: Re: Setup Question: Disk-Layout (Migrating from Mailman 2.1)]

by Mihai Moldovan

* On 4/20/25 02:26, Mark Sapiro wrote: > This appears to be a bug in mailbox.mbox. To work around it, try this: > ``` > [...] > ``` Thanks, that works! > Those headers are added by the rfc_2369 handler based on the archivers > configured for the list. They will never point to the prototype archiver > or the message in the prototype archive. > > Normally they will point to HyperKitty and to the archived message in > HyperKitty. This is the case even for messages in the prototype archiver > as those messages are just the message as delivered to the list members > absent any personalization. Yes, it iterates through all archivers and gets the permalink and archiver's URL, adding it to the message if the data is non-empty. > Note that the generation of these headers by the rfc_2369 handler > depends on this script being run in an installation that has hyperkitty > and mailman-hyperkitty installed and the hyperkitty archiver enabled for > the list. There is one other thing that caught me off-guard: I had the Hyperkitty archiver enabled, of course, but the service was not running (I essentially turned off everything, including the cron jobs, for the migration, to make sure that no new data is coming in). In order for mailman to query the required data, it has to communicate with the archivers (like Hyperkitty) and that in turn means that the archiver must be running. After starting Hyperkitty, the headers magically gained proper values! Thank you very much for your help. Mihai

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Weblate spanish translation of templates (was: Re: spanish localization)

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

On 18/2/21 9:13, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: > On 14/2/21 2:42, Abhilash Raj wrote: >> You can actually translate the templates in Weblate too. That is >> actually the whole >> reason to go with monolingual template format in Mailman Core. >> >> Mailman uses the template file's name as the msgid for translations >> and all in-tree >> templates are copied into English's .po file when we re-generate them. >> >> For example in here: >> https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/messages/es/LC… >> >> >> The english .po file is considered as reference in Weblate and used >> for source string. > > I want to contribute making it via Weblate, since it is already done > via gitlab repository (thanks to Mark Sapiro for approving the merge > requests), making a revision and editing them if needed, but I cannot > see how to make it in a consistent way, as I cannot determine how to > edit each template in the Weblate UI. I've tried to access via the > file name (accessing via msgid as for your example) of the > template... but I cannot access them by this way, or I'm missing > something. > > Can you, please, point me in the right direction on how to do it? Forget this, I've just found how to do it. Selecting by "key/context" and the name of the file seems to do the trick. Movin' on Sorry for the noise.

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Whitelist non subscriber

by Mark Ziranski

Hi, thanks for your reply. Can I set the moderation_action on this member? I cannot figure out the API command. All posts of other members should be moderated. POST: http://localhost:8001/3.1/members role=nonmember list_id=something.localhost subscriber=someone@localhost moderation_action=accept Reply: Unexpected parameters: moderation_action Thanks. Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. August 2017 um 22:05 Uhr Von: "Mark Sapiro" <mark(a)msapiro.net> An: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Betreff: [MM3-users] Re: Whitelist non subscriber On 08/10/2017 07:12 AM, Mark Ziranski wrote: > > I want to whitelist an email address on all lists to bypass moderation. > The email address is not a subscriber. On google I > found accept_these_nonmembers but I do not know how to use it. > Please show me some examples how to whitelist someone(a)example.org. Since this is a Mailman 3 list, I assume you are asking about MM 3. Mailman 3 defines the list attribute accept_these_nonmembers, but it is not currently implemented to actually have any effect, nor is it exposed in Postorius. At the present, I think you would have to create a user record with the address and add that user to all lists with role nonmember and moderation_action 'defer' to apply subsequent tests or 'accept' to unconditionally accept posts from that address. (In MM 2.1, accept_these_nonmembers is a list of addresses and regexps matching addresses whose posts are to be accepted, subject to subsequent tests, and is exposed in the web admin UI) -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list mailman-users(a)mailman3.org [1]https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org / References 1. https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

9 years

[MM3-users] Re: migration

by Dave McGuire

On 7/30/21 3:48 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> Is there a way that I can "dump" the configuration from an existing >> mailman3 server, and "import" it into a new instance? I'd really like >> to avoid re-doing all of the configuration, etc, as there are quite a >> few lists and everything is set up pretty much the way I want it. > > If you use the same database manager it should be no problem to get a > dump of the existing Mailman database to load into the new instance, or > if these are on the same server, just point the new instance to the > existing database. In either case, the database should be loaded and the > Django commands `migrate`, collectstatic`, `compress` and > `compilemessages` run[1] before starting Mailman services. Mailman core > will run any necessary updates to its database upon startup. > > You may also need to rebuild the HyperKitty search index with the > `update_index` Django command, but you may be able to use the existing > one if the search engine is the same. > > [1] See > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html?highlight=colle… > et seq. Understood. I am not at all fluent in django interactions (I'm still not entirely sure of what django actually *is*) so I have some reading to do. Any pointers on "django wrangling for n00bs" would be great. As I mentioned, I've not been hacking on mm3, just using it. I'm an accomplished programmer, but embedded C and assembler are a few galaxies away from python and web services! -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: Don't start nntp runner by default - was: Mailman3 doesn't send Mails to users (Debian12 with Plesk)

by Odhiambo Washington

On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 11:25 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 5/24/24 3:37 PM, admin(a)bclug.ca wrote: > > > > Is nntp common enough these days to be a useful default runner? > > > > I disabled it in mine when I noticed it, but it seems (IMHO) a waste of > > resources (yet another Python interpreter running) for a fairly edge > > case of mailing list <--> nntp transits. > > > You raise an interesting point. By default, the runner runs, but if > there are no lists gating to usenet, its queue is always empty and it > mostly sleeps between waking, finding its queue empty and going back to > sleep. A more significant use of resources is every (default) 5 minutes > spawning `mailman gatenews` which goes through a startup process and > then looks at every list figuring out there's nothing to do. > > We could default mailman.cfg to contain `start: no` in the runner.nntp > section so people would need to enable it if they wanted it. What do > others think? > I last heard of usenet in the late 90's. Do they still exist, even? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: [NON-INTERNAL] Re: Missing Archived emails - Hyperkitty - CERT Issue

by Willie Castillo

Sure. the file was updated and MM3 restarted. Looks like the modification to the /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg file did the trick. We are now able to see the July 25th message in the archives. Thank you Odhiambo and Mark for your assistance. ________________________________ From: Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2025 8:54 AM To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Subject: [MM3-users] Re: [NON-INTERNAL] Re: Missing Archived emails - Hyperkitty - CERT Issue CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. PS: I beg you to put your responses below the last one. Makes the hierarchy look better. Now, have you edited your /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg and restarted MM3? On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 3:18 PM Willie Castillo < Willie.Castillo(a)caemilusa.com> wrote: > Odhiambo, long time no hear from you. Hope you are doing well. > > The last archived post for that specific list is July 3rd. 2025. We do not > see the one for July 25th. Also, I just noticed something else in the logs, > apparently the server is still having "SSLCertVerificationError" issues > even after updating the DigiCert, CA-Certificate,etc. I must be missing > something else. > > Based on that, looks like the archiving is failing still due to the > "SSLCertVerificationError". > > The spool directory now has 8 *.pck files in it. However, I do not see the > original ones from 7/25 > > ~# ll -t /opt/mailman/mm/var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 14725 Jul 29 08:07 > 1753790859.2498085+320096cb9852779b55a4cbb1e4f9603736ebd78d.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 15122 Jul 29 08:07 > 1753790859.2437658+7fddf881d592f27be60e32aa5b3c34c7077b9988.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 6399 Jul 29 08:07 > 1753790859.2370558+ee410eb31691bf2854cca46c64e80e3bf61c3523.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 26619 Jul 29 08:07 > 1753790859.230345+b2e70f5b65900731895bbee5a3d83401f1500567.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 15676 Jul 29 08:07 > 1753790859.2225533+82371c8a0202d62eaa046dd3633a23d6837d7a80.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 98273 Jul 29 08:07 > 1753790859.2136636+8ee9273fbbaf4352d482e69d177e2eb2824078a5.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 98109 Jul 29 08:07 > 1753790859.2026713+49d82ecd57eda7eaa582ba925449e2343bea5c56.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 88479 Jul 29 08:07 > 1753790859.191489+162aa89dcac50ca6f5463ce1098c828728af12d1.pck > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo(a)gmail.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2025 7:59 AM > *To:* mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org>; Mark > Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> > *Cc:* Willie Castillo <Willie.Castillo(a)caemilusa.com> > *Subject:* Re: [MM3-users] Re: [NON-INTERNAL] Re: Missing Archived emails > - Hyperkitty - CERT Issue > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not > click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know > the content is safe. > > > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 2:25 PM Willie Castillo < > Willie.Castillo(a)caemilusa.com> wrote: > > The issue started right after the site's CERT expired. The CERT expired on > 7/8/25. This is what's in the log... > > Jul 16 15:19:45 2025 (3777209) Connection to HyperKitty failed: > HTTPSConnectionPool(host='XXX.com', port=443): Max retries exceeded with > url: /hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls?mlist=jmats-versions%40XXX.com (Caused by > SSLError(SSLCertVerificatio > nError(1, '[SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed: > certificate has expired (_ssl.c:1000)'))) > > The CERT has been updated but the 7/25 message is not archived still. > > > While at it, also edit your /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg to what > is documented so that the issue doesn't recur: > ``` > [general] > base_url: https://urldefense.us/v3/__http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/__;!!E8b8mVbrrfWV… > <https://urldefense.us/v3/__http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/__;!!E8b8mVbrrfWV…> > api_key: Secret_Hyperkitty_API_Key > ``` > > PS: I haven't seen your responses to @Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>'s > questions quoted below: > ``` > Did the new post get archived? If so, why is last post at still July 25, > 2025? If no, why not. The post must go to the archiver to cause the > queue to be processed. > > If the post was archived and the July 25 messages are still queued, > what's in Mailman's mailman.log. There should be error messages and > tracebacks indicating the issue. > ``` > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 > In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. > "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) > [How to ask smart questions: > https://urldefense.us/v3/__http://www.catb.org/*esr/faqs/smart-questions.ht… > <https://urldefense.us/v3/__http://www.catb.org/*esr/faqs/smart-questions.ht…> > ] > -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: https://urldefense.us/v3/__http://www.catb.org/*esr/faqs/smart-questions.ht… ] _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailma… Archived at: https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman… This message sent to willie.castillo(a)caemilusa.com

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Non-ascii characters missing from Pipermail archive txt and gz downloads

by Mark Dale

Hi Ruth, Apologies for the late response. I posted my message to the MM3 list in error and have since reposted it to the MM2 list. However, thank you for taking the trouble to reply. The problem lies outside the choice of editor as both files are being viewed in the same editor -- with one correct and the other not. Mark Sapiro has explained (on the MM2 list) what is causing the problem. Armed with that information I just have to now find a way .... Regards, Mark -------- Original Message -------- From: Ruth Ivimey-Cook [mailto:ruth@ivimey.org] Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021, 15:24 UTC To: mark(a)postmark.io, Mailman users Subject: [MM3-users] Non-ascii characters missing from Pipermail archive txt and gz downloads > Hi Mark > > I'm not sure, but I think the problems are to do with the program you are using to view the txt file. > > A modern mail reader understands the Content-type: header and will adjust its character processing accordingly, but a .txt file has no default character encoding, so any text editor will have to "use its best judgement". Some will default to utf-8, because that is compatible with 7-bit ASCII (NOT Latin1) while others will just put characters out and hope for the best (esentially leaving the result to the encoding of the font). > > In theory, a UTF-encoded text file can begin with the "BOM" marker, a sequence of characters which is supposed to indicate which variety of Unicode is in use, but this is rarely present, especially for UTF-8. > > Try looking at your text file with a UTF-8 capable text editor **and ensure that you tell the editor to use the UTF-8 encoding**. I expect it will look ok then. > > > Hope this helps, > > Ruth > > > On 09/04/2021 13:52, Mark Dale via Mailman-users wrote: >> Mailman 2.1.34 >> Debian 10 >> Postfix >> >> Hi >> >> I'm hoping someone can shine a light on character encoding issue I've encountered. >> >> A plain-text email with non-ascii characters in the body gets posted to the list. >> >> As per Mark Sapiro's guide I've captured the incoming message to file. >> >> - https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg73469.html >> >> The message is received by Mailman with the non-ascii characters displaying correctly. >> >> The header of that message has: >> >> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 >> Thunderbird/78.9.0 >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> Content-Language: en-AU >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >> >> In the list's mbox file and archive webpage, the message displays the non-ascii characters correctly. >> >> In the archive's downloaded .txt (and also .gz) file, the non-ascii characters are missing and displayed as "?". >> >> I've copied the message text in below, from both the correct one from the email and the erroneous .txt file. Hopefully they won't get scrambled up when I send this. >> >> Any advice on getting the non-ascii characters written into the archive .txt file would be gratefully received. >> >> Thanks, >> Mark >> >> >> === Message text as okay in mbox and as shown on the archive webpage === >> >> If one goes by the definition of veḷippaṭai as given in the Tamil Lexicon that the meaning of an ambiguous word should be disambiguated by a qualifying word, then aruvi āmpal does not conform to that definition since in the case of aruvi āmpal in Patiṟṟuppattu 63, aruvi is really made up of aru+vi, a compound. Moreover, the expression aṭai aṭuppu aṟiyā is already there to clarify that āmpal is a number and not a flower. Thus, aruvi simply provides information in addition to aṭai aṭuppu aṟiyā that āmpal is not a flower. The modern commentator Aruḷampalavaṉār also does not call it veḷippaṭai. >> >> === >> >> === Message text with missing characters in te archive's txt and gz downloads == >> >> If one goes by the definition of ve?ippa?ai as given in the Tamil Lexicon that the meaning of an ambiguous word should be disambiguated by a qualifying word, then aruvi ?mpal does not conform to that definition since in the case of aruvi ?mpal in Pati??uppattu 63, aruvi is really made up of aru+vi, a compound. Moreover, the expression a?ai a?uppu a?iy? is already there to clarify that ?mpal is a number and not a flower. Thus, aruvi simply provides information in addition to a?ai a?uppu a?iy? that ?mpal is not a flower. The modern commentator Aru?ampalava??r also does not call it ve?ippa?ai. >> >> === >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problems after upgrading from bullseye to bookworm

by Eggert Ehmke

Hello Mark, thank you. I did change that entries, and now my mailman runs fine on Debian Bookworm. I did a complete reinstall of the venv directory to have a clean start. Maybe this was not needed. What's missing in the documentation: -the directiories web/logs have to be created manually with the ownership mailman. -The debian package pkg-config must be installed. -the package psycopg2-binary can/must be installed without version restriction on Bookworm Maybe this info helps some other people. Cheers, Eggert Am Montag, 26. Juni 2023, 22:22:37 CEST schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 6/26/23 12:35 PM, Ken Alker wrote: > > I'm brand new to this, so take this with a grain of sale, but, I had a > > similar problem a few days ago, however, mine was "flufl.i18n>=3.2". > > Perhaps the same thing is happening with flufl.lock (but that didn't bite > > me). > > > > I solved my problem by following this: > > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1085> and, ultimately > > modifying > > "$VENV_ROOT/lib/$PYVERSION/site-packages/mailman-3.3.8.egg-info/requires. > > txt" per that thread (see > > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1085#note_1442207929> by > > Thomas Ward section called "The WORKAROUND"). Maybe you need to do the > > same thing, but for flufl.lock. > Yes, the same issue now affects flufl.lock as well as flufl.i18n. You > will need to change both flufl.lock->flufl_lock and flufl.i18n->flufl_i18n. ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty "All Threads" results in error

by Mark Dadgar

On Oct 14, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 10/14/20 11:12 AM, Mark Dadgar wrote: >>> On Oct 4, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Mark Dadgar <mark(a)pdc-racing.net> wrote: >>> >>> So I have been wrestling with this problem for a while now. Most times, but not every time, when someone clicks on the All Threads link in hyperkitty, a 500 error is generated. > > > Does this happen on all lists, only some lists or only one list? > > >>> I googled it, obviously, and at first I thought it was related to this issue, but that has not proven to be the case: >>> >>> https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… > > What did you google? This query gets a lot of stuff with some hints, but > nothing definitive. > > django render raises VariableDoesNotExist("Failed lookup for key " > > One thing I noted at > <https://askbot.org/en/question/3095/django-error-variabledoesnotexist-faile…> > was > > models out of date - run python manage.py syncdb and python manage.py > migrate > > You could try that. Note that your django admin command might be > something other than `python manage.py`. Also note syncdb has been > removed from Django >=1.9. Currently, the above becomes `makemigrations` > followed by `migrate`. > > I also suggest running the django admin commands > > `collectstatic --clear --noinput` > and > `compress` My re-install seems to have fixed this issue as well. BONUS! - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Dealing with hyperkitty spool files (was Re: Re: Fwd: [Django] ...)

by David Partain

> On Wed, 2021-03-03 at 08:29 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > 1. Am I correct in assuming that I can just use my favorite editor > > (vi) to remove the offending characters from the file? > No. The file is a Python pickle and you can't edit it. You would need > to get the message and the metadata from the pickle (you could at least > view it with the `mailman qfile` command), edit the message and then > re-pickle the message and metadata. And, in my impatience, I tried it before receiving your response and now I seem to have done silliness in my database :( New error in mailman-web.log: AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'subject' Sigh. Stupid me. If you have suggestions on fixing that... Right now, my plan is simply to remove the first message in the queue (since I assume it'll be the "broken" one) and it'll just not be in the archive. Life's hard. Even if I unpack 'em to edit, I'll find mail in, for example, in base64, and I'm not going to fix the mail by decoding, editing, re-encoding, ... Nope. > > 3. Can I do something to make hyperkitty go through the spool? > > > > I don't know what you mean. Sorry I wasn't clear. I simply meant, "Is there a way to start hyperkitty going through the spool manually?" It sounds like, though, that I don't need to do that if it's going to happen that often anyway. Cheers, David

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: nginx configuration on a multitasking server

by David Newman

On 12/22/21 7:29 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 12/22/21 6:20 PM, David Newman wrote: >> >> Update: The above worked fine until MM3 informed a list owner of >> pending subscription requests, with a URL like this: >> >> https://lists.example.com/mailman/admindb/listname >> >> and that URL returned a 404 error. > > > This looks like a uwsgi issue as discussed at > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… > although that's with apache and not nginx so it may not be. If I'm reading the thread correctly, it's Apache workarounds to an underlying Debian issue, so I agree it may not apply with nginx. > > >> Adding a stanza for 'location /mailman/' to the nginx config above >> clears the 404 error, but Postorius returns "Page not found" with no >> entry in the web or MM3 logs, and a 200 OK in the Nginx logs. >> >> I think the URL is supposed to go to the list page in Postorius. How >> to configure this so that list owners and moderators get a valid URL >> for list management? > > > I'm not sure what the solution is in this case, but a workaround would > be to add > > url(r'^mailman/', include('postorius.urls')), > > to the urlpatterns list in urls.py. There are 260 files named 'urls.py' under /opt/mailman, mostly for socialaccount stuff. Where does that change go? All files? Or just this one: /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/postorius/urls.py Or somewhere else? Thanks again. dn

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Python 3.13 compatibility

by Washington Odhiambo

On Sun, Mar 29, 2026 at 6:11 PM Thomas Krichel <krichel(a)openlib.org> wrote: > Mark Sapiro writes > > > If you do that and it results in a working system, you can then patch > > mailman/utilities/i18n.py as follows > > Thank you. This works, and I can successfully import a first > list configuration. > > > However there are other incompatibilities between the released Mailman > > versions and Python 3.13. > > Hmm https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html > states "3.13 is recommended as it is the latest version of Python > with which Mailman is tested." > > > At the moment, until updated packages are > > released, in a Python 3.13 environment it is best to install all of > mailman, > > django-mailman3, postorius, hyperkitty and mailman-web from the heads of > the > > gitlab branches. > > I would love to see a command line for that. When I go to the gitlab > page, https://gitlab.com/mailman/, I see a bunch of project that > don't immediately correspond to pip package names. > pip install git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman@master pip install git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailmanclient@master pip install git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-hyperkitty@master pip install git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty@master pip install git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3@master pip install git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius@master pip install git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-web@master -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

4 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty download mbox

by Andrew Hodgson

Mark Sapiro wrote: >On 4/26/21 2:00 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: > >> Yep there is a problem with an imported mbox which seems to be present somewhere in the archive on all the lists which I imported using that method. Here is a recent trace from the download option: [...] >Thanks for the traceback. The issue appears to be with folded headers that should either be unfolded before storing in HyperKitty's database or upon retrieval for this process. This is probably because of outlook.com folding Message-ID: headers. See >https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/844 for one manifestation of this. >I think if you replace the >``` > msg["Message-ID"] = "<%s>" % self.message_id ``` line at 178 in /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/hyperkitty/models/email.py >with >``` > msg["Message-ID"] = "<%s>" % self.message_id.strip(' <>\r\n') ``` it will avoid this issue. I tried this but get the same error, hope I did the modification correctly. [2021-04-30 19:56:31 +0000] [22104] [ERROR] Error handling request Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/gunicorn/workers/sync.py", line 180, in handle_request for item in respiter: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mlist.py", line 335, in stream_mbox msg = email.as_message() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/hyperkitty/models/email.py", line 178, in as_message msg["Message-ID"] = "<%s>" % self.message_id.strip(' <>\r\n') File "/usr/lib/python3.7/email/message.py", line 409, in __setitem__ self._headers.append(self.policy.header_store_parse(name, val)) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/email/policy.py", line 145, in header_store_parse raise ValueError("Header values may not contain linefeed " ValueError: Header values may not contain linefeed or carriage return characters Thanks. Andrew.

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Footer variables

by Washington Odhiambo

On Mon, Mar 2, 2026 at 1:56 PM Stephen J. Turnbull <steve(a)turnbull.jp> wrote: > Washington Odhiambo via Mailman-users writes: > > > In my /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/ > > kictanet.lists.kictanet.or.ke/en/list:member:regular:footer.txt, I > have: > > > > Archived at: ${hyperkitty_url > > First, I assume the unbalanced `{` is a typo. > Yes. That was a typo actually. > Second, I don't think that is correct syntax for this flavor of > template, it's just "$hyperkitty_url". (It might be OK, but this > language is designed for an undelimited reference to the template > variable.) Third, there is no provision for that substitution in footers, as the > substitions are a hard-coded list in the decorate() function in > handlers/decorate.py. It is available in the Archived-At header > field. > I have seen that in the footer for this MM3 users ML for ages. And my MM3 installation is new :) > It wouldn't be hard to add, I suspect, but currently there is no > protocol for an archiver to communicate its archived-at URL to the > decorate function. There are generic callbacks for the Archived-At > and List-Archive header fields, but those are simple lists and don't > allow you to specify the particular archiver as $hyperkitty_url. > How did @Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> add the footer to mailman-users(a)mailman3.org? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

5 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Table 'mailmansuite.django_q_ormq' doesn't exist ("Delete this thread" -> 'HTTP-500 -> NoneType' object has no attribute 'all')

by Abhilash Raj

Excerpts from Simon Liebold via Mailman-users's message of May 29, 2017 2:16 pm: > Am 28.05.2017 um 22:24 schrieb Mark Sapiro: >> 'Delete this message' is in the 'message' view. "Delete this thread" is >> in the 'thread' view. > > Now found the message view. Thanks. > >> HyperKitty requires Django<1.11. The comment in the requirements in >> setup.py implies this is only a django-haystack requirement >> >> "Django>=1.8", >> # Don't upgrade to 1.11 until django-haystack supports it: >> # https://github.com/django-haystack/django-haystack/pull/1499 >> "Django<1.11", >> >> but since it works for me with Django 1.10, you might want to try that. > > OK, I was still running an RC version. Silly me. > >> In particular, this looks like Django 1.11 bug >> <https://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/27975>. > > Which was closed in the release version that I initially upgraded to > (1.11.1). > > Now, I get to see the confirmation view and upon confirming I see these > (luckily different) errors like below (same with Django 1.10): > > Could not delete message P2GJLK4JPDU2K6ZKBSDUWASF2TVHCJTT: (1146, "Table > 'mailmansuite.django_q_ormq' doesn't exist") > Could not delete message 4I2TRZTFXMMH2XRQAS73IAEIYROFE5YM: (1146, "Table > 'mailmansuite.django_q_ormq' doesn't exist") > You may have to do `python manage.py makemigrations` after adding a new INSTALLED_APPLICATIONS and before running `python manage.py migrate` Hope that helps! -- thanks, Abhilash Raj

9 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: FILTER_VHOST fix - was: Postorius & multi domain

by Gelpi Andrea

Il 23/04/20 19:02, Mark Sapiro ha scritto: > On 4/23/20 2:48 AM, Gelpi Andrea wrote: >> >> I saw the change in the file. >> >> As I'm not a programmer How can I test your fix? >> >> My system was installed via Debian 10 stable repository. >> >> I upgrade with testing repository postorius, django and mailmanclinet >> >> Postorius V 1.3.2 >> Django V. 2.2.12 >> Django filters V 2.1.0 >> Djanog mailman V 1.3.2 >> mailmanclient V 3.3.0 > > > I don't know where the Debian package puts things, but you have to find > the location of postorius/views/list.py. Something like > > locate views/list.py > > should find it. Then you need to download > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/500.diff> and > edit it to remove the first 15 lines so the first remaining line is the > > diff --git a/src/postorius/views/list.py b/src/postorius/views/list.py > > line. Then make a backup copy of postorius/views/list.py and run the command > > patch postorius/views/list.py path/to/500.diff > > where postorius/views/list.py is actually the full path to > postorius/views/list.py and 500.diff is the edited file you downloaded. > > Then restart uWSGI. If anything goes wrong, restore your backup copy of > postorius/views/list.py and restart uWSGI. > > I can confirm that the fix works. Thank You so much. -- Gelpi ing. Andrea ************************************************** I documenti vitali dimostreranno la loro vitalita' spostandosi spontaneamente da dove li avevate lasciati a dove non riuscirete a trovarli. **************************************************

6 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Verification emails 'helo' rejected

by Thomas Ward

On 10/16/24 13:52, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/14/24 12:42, Greg Newby via Mailman-users wrote: >> >> Here are the corresponding logfile entries from mailmanweb.log: >> smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused: {'redacted(a)gmail.com': (504, b'5.5.2 >> <mail>: >> Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname')} >> >> and from mail.log: >> Oct 14 12:06:26 domain postfix/smtpd[722764]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from >> localhost[127.0.0.1]: 504 5.5.2 <mail>: Helo command rejected: need >> fully-qualified hostname; from=<root(a)lists.domain.tld> >> to=<root@localhost> >> proto=ESMTP helo=<mail> >> >> lists.domain.tld is the domain for Mailman3. I don't know why it's >> trying >> to send email from root@. > > > I think the mail.log entry is for the DSN for the failure. The issue > is the HELO/EHLO command. Try the following in your venv > ``` > (venv) ...:~$ python > Python 3... > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. > >>> import socket > >>> socket.getfqdn() > ``` > If that returns `localhost`, that's the issue. I think you can fix it > by putting a fully qualified domain name in /etc/hostname. > This is actually a postfix misconfiguration. By default, Postfix uses the `myhostname` variable to define your HELO/EHLO. In your /etc/postfix/main.cf change your `myhostname` to be an FQDN. If your mail server's FQDN is actually mail.example.com on the rDNS and forward DNS side, then set this in /etc/postfix/main.cf: myhostname = mail.example.com Then restart your Postfix. That will solve your issue. Thomas

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3+Python3.11

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 7:10 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 3/6/23 03:38, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > Has MM3 been tested with Python3.11? > > Yes, but not with uWSGI which is not part of Mailman per se. > Oh. I can easily switch between uWSGI, Gunicorn, or mod_wsgi. > I updated a Debian VM to Python3.11, installed MM3 and migrated the > > configs. However, I am unable to get past the following error: > > > ... > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File > > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman_web/wsgi.py", > line > > 10, in <module> > > from django.core.wsgi import get_wsgi_application > > File > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/__init__.py", > > line 1, in <module> > > from django.utils.version import get_version > > File > > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/utils/version.py", > > line 1, in <module> > > import datetime > > File "/usr/lib/python3.11/datetime.py", line 12, in <module> > > import math as _math > > ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'math' > > unable to load app 0 (mountpoint='') (callable not found or import error) > > > This error says /usr/lib/python3.11/datetime.py can't import math. math > is part of the python 3.11 standard library > <https://docs.python.org/3/library/math.html>. There is something wrong > with your Python 3.11 installation. > So I will redo the venv by invoking the python binaries explicitly, in case I have conflicts. Thanks. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Apple Mail encoding again

by tlhackque

On 21-Apr-22 13:09, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 4/21/22 04:53, tlhackque via Mailman-users wrote: >> >> Note that MailMan is encapsulating a multipart/signed message in a >> multipart/mixed in order to append it's footer, and reports that it >> removed the signature part of the multipart/signed. This makes the >> signed message format invalid. So at least, MM3 needs to handle >> signed messages better: either include the signature or remove the >> signature headers (an unwrapping exercise to convert the message to >> unsigned)... Note that this can be recursive where a signed message >> contains a message/rfc822 part that contains a signed message, that.... > > This was an issue with Mailman's content filtering for the > mailmanusers(a)mailman3.org list. Pass types was: > > multipart > message/rfc822 > text > application/pgp-signature > > So the application/x-pkcs7-signature part was removed. I have just > updated Pass types to: > > multipart > message/rfc822 > text > application/pgp-signature > application/x-pkcs7-signature > > to not remove application/x-pkcs7-signature parts going forward. > That's what I expected to be behind the behavior. Thanks for fixing it on this list. But as I noted, it would be better if the application/*signature parts were automagically passed when a multipart/signed is present. Ideally those that correspond to the multipart/signed, but it's probably less work to allow them anywhere. I've seen variations of this misconfiguration on a number of lists, all of whose administrators had to learn by experience. Seems like a good case for Mailman becoming smart enough to do the right thing...

4 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Reset bounce count in MM3

by iMark

On 2026-03-09 05:03, Mark Sapiro wrote: > It's much easier to use mailman shell as in > ``` > $ mailman shell -l list(a)example.com > Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell > Use commit() to commit changes. > Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. > Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. > The variable 'm' is the list(a)example.com mailing list >>>> mbr = m.members.get_member('user(a)example.com') >>>> mbr.bounce_score = 0 >>>> commit() > ``` > But what is the point of doing this? If the member is bouncing, the > score will continue to increment, and if not the bounces will become > stale and a future bounce will set the score to 1. ================================================ From time to time Microsoft will spit the dummy and start blocking mail from the lists. This will last a day or two, but in the meantime bounce counts get cranked up which can send some lists over the edge and start disabling/removing subscribers. In a bash script I can query the the database like so: UPDATE MEMBER SET bounce_score = 3 FROM address WHERE address.id = member.address_id AND email LIKE'%hotmail.com' AND member.bounce_score >= 4 AND member.list_id = '<LISTID>' The idea is that the script can be croned hourly for a couple of days on multiple lists to wind down the bounce_counts (preventing disable/remove) while the Microsoft issue gets resolved. > You mentioned reset_bounce.py, but that doesn't reset scores. It sets > delivery enabled for users whose delivery is disabled by bounce, ... Ahh, I see. Thank you for setting me straight on that.

5 months

[MM3-users] Re: using SSH/TLS with external MTA

by Roland Giesler

On 2024/07/27 22:58, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > On Sat, Jul 27, 2024 at 11:34 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> On 7/27/24 13:05, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: >>> ASMTP works on the premise of "we can relay mail for you if we can >>> authenticate you with certain credentials" >>> Adding the IP to "hosts we can relay mail for" negates the need to >>> authenticate, IMHO. >>> So I am still waiting for how MM3 does ASMTP. Does it? >> >> If by ASMTP, you mean SMTP AUTH, Mailman does it if smtp_user: and >> smtp_pass: are provided in mailman.cfg. >> >> >> I agree that an authenticated user should be able to submit mail to be >> relayed. Just guessing here, but perhaps the issue is the OP is >> submitting to the deprecated port 465 instead of 587. >> > Port 465 is not quite depreciated. It's the decision of the Admin to decide > to listen on/and accept SMTP AUTH on which port. > On the servers I run, and based on Exim as the MTA, I accept SMTP AUTH On > ports 465, 587 and 2525 (this is meant to subvert some ISPs!). > But let's await Roland's response. The server runs power-mailinabox, which uses Postfix indeed. All my mail, and quite a few others' mail is sent from the using SMTP-Auth on port 465. Actually, this message is sent via that server too. So it's clear to me that MM3 is not authenticating for some reason. > >

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: Help needed to create filters that were working in Mailman 2.

by Mark London

Mark - I'm an idiot. I previously had modified some of the text in Postorius to be shorter, and somehow had deleted the Accept feature! I hope not to ever have to upgrade our email server ever again. It took much years off my life. In any event, here's one of the text that I modified to be briefer. Perhaps you can see why I shortened it. Besides which, who goes on vacation these days, and disables emails from any source? I have users that literally have tens of thousands of unread email. They don't bother to delete it. Grrr... - Mark help_text=_( 'Set this option to Enabled to receive messages posted to this ' 'mailing list. Set it to Disabled if you want to stay subscribed, ' "but don't want mail delivered to you for a while (e.g. you're " "going on vacation). If you disable mail delivery, don't forget " 'to re-enable it when you come back; it will not be automatically ' 're-enabled.' On 6/21/2023 4:21 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 6/21/23 11:36 AM, mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu wrote: >> I'm using version 1.3.8 Which I installed on Ubuntu 22 on April >> 18. I'm guessing this feature was installed in 1.3.9? > > The attached screenshot (which may not make it to the list but should > be in your direct copy) is from Postorius 1.3.8 installed via pip. If > you don't see this, possibly you have installed the Debian/Ubuntu > package and this is a Debian issue. >

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Hiding an ML from a site

by Odhiambo Washington

On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 1:21 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On February 7, 2024 1:34:32 PM PST, Odhiambo Washington < > odhiambo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >What should I do then? Edit some file? Apply some patch? > >It's pretty easy for me to create a DNS record for the same server (IP) > for > >use with the web host that I'd like to hide. > > > In the Domains view in postorius, you need separate mail hosts. Then you > need to change the domain of one of the lists to the 'new' mail host. This > implies changing its address which may not be acceptable. > Looking at Postorius, they do have different mail hosts. See the screenshot at: https://imgur.com/a/GsiiEjP Or, you can just live with it as is. > The problem with this is that those who go to the site have been trying to subscribe to the other ML. Note, I have been without power at my house for almost 3 days now, so I > don't have access to all my usual resources. > In Kenya, the blackouts can last equally long at times - and there is nothing we can do about it because the power distributor is a monopoly. Sorry for all the loss you've incurred from the foods getting spoilt in the fridge :-( -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lock/mailman/mailman-cfg

by David Newman

Greetings. I am attempting a complete Mailman 3 installation on a Debian 10 system that already runs Mailman 2, following this documentation: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html Even following this guide, I'd had a lot of issues with permissions, where directories and files were owned by list rather than mailman. After correcting those issues, I then got to the point of checking mailman3's status, and systemctl shows this error: Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: Error in atexit._run_exitfuncs: Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: Traceback (most recent call last): Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py", line 2038, in shutdown Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: h.flush() Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/core/logging.py", line 67, in flush Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: if self._stream: Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: AttributeError: 'ReopenableFileHandler' object has no attribute '_stream' There is an October 2019 thread on this error [1] but I think it's in a different context, where the OP already had mailman3 running, and was trying to migrate Mailman 2 lists. Also, regarding those permissions issues above, it matters which "layout" value is in /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg. I'd tried "dev" because I saw a post from Mark Sapiro recommending that, but then mailman3 wanted me to create a bunch of directories under /etc, even though $var_dir was set to /var/lib/mailman3. Things seem to go better, except for the confusion between lists/mailman ownership, when I set layout to "debian", which was the default. Thanks in advance for clues on addressing the ReopenableFileHandler error above. dn [1] https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Things I miss about mailman2

by Quanah Gibson-Mount

--On Wednesday, March 18, 2020 2:58 AM -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > This was implemented by > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/397> and released > in Postorius 1.3.0. Ok, that would be the issue... Debian 10 only has 1.2.4-1 bundled. I'll see if I can find a backport for 1.3. >>> This was not "removed". It just hasn't been implemented in MM 3 yet. >> >> So in terms of available functionality that was present in MM2, it was >> removed. It may need to be re-implemented, but this was a core feature >> that was present in the prior version that is no longer available. > > > Yes, we are aware of many things that are not yet exposed/implemented in > Postorius and elsewhere. There are currently 580 open issues at > <https://gitlab.com/groups/mailman/-/issues>. We are working on these > things as we can. We would love to have your help in fixing these. In > the mean time, there are really only 2 or 3 core developers working on > this and we are all volunteers, so it takes time. I fully understand and would love to contribute. The problem being that I already am doing this for multiple other projects where we're facing the same issue -- Lots of people use the software and there are the occasional contributions, but few people who are willing to be core members to really help drive the projects, and I can only drive so many and do my paying job. :/ Regards, Quanah -- Quanah Gibson-Mount Product Architect Symas Corporation Packaged, certified, and supported LDAP solutions powered by OpenLDAP: <http://www.symas.com>

6 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: No e-mail distribution after import of archive

by Odhiambo Washington

On Tue, Nov 12, 2024 at 10:34 AM Markus Grandpré < markus.grandpre(a)uni-konstanz.de> wrote: > Dear Mr. Sapiro, > > on our test system we noticed the problem that after importing a mailing > list archive from a Mailman system v2.1 into a Mailman system v3.3.8, > e-mails are no longer distributed via this mailing list. E-mails that > are written to the list find their way into the archive, but they are > not sent to any member of the list. > > Before the archive was imported, writing an e-mail to the list and > distributing this e-mail via the list was not a problem. Unfortunately, > we cannot find any indication of this issue in the log of the mailman > system v3.3.8. Please help us to further analyze and solve this problem, > as we are planning to import 188 archives into our new productive > mailman system v3.3.8 during the next months. > Archives are imported into HyperKitty and should not in any way interfere with Mailman Core. From what I learnt recently, you can even import an archive into HyperKitty without having a ML in Core associated with it. So my starting point would be to look at mailman.log and see what goes in there. I could even up the debugging level if need be. For now, is there anything abnormal in mailman.log or smtp.log? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty: "incorrect string value" for botched utf-8 encoding

by thoralf

hi Mark, thank you for your answer. On 5/27/20 8:30 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: […] >> (1366, "Incorrect string value: '\\xF0\\x9F\\x99\\x82\\x0AA...' […] >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable […] >> kann halt NIE am mittwoch. viel spass =F0=9F=99=82 […] >> Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable […] >> <div dir=3D=22auto=22>kann halt NIE am mittwoch. viel spass >> =F0=9F=99=82<= > When HyperKitty gets an exception like this in archiving a message, it > queues it in /var/lib/mailman3/archives/hyperkitty/spool and on every > new post, retries the queued messages. This message fails again on retry > and is requeued. > > How would you suggest this be handled more gracefully? the way mailman3 is handling exceptions is totally fine and couldn't possibly be more graceful - i was referring to the error itself: > The underlying issue has been seen before. The basic problem is in MySQL > and MariaDB the encoding is utf8 which only accepts utf8 encodings up to > 3 bytes. It needs to be utf8mb4 to accept characters outside the base plane. okay, i thought that the html part in the offending mail should've been 🙂 and that this was the culprit - thanks for clarifying this. I've checked - database, table and columns were utf8mb4 already, whereas the connection to the db apparently not. Adding 'charset': 'utf8mb4' to the options-dict in the databases-variable in /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py fixed the issue - django passes this on to mysqlclient. case closed :) thank you very much & with kind regards, thoralf.

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderated unsub requests are not provided by mailman3 service

by Joachim Schrod

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 11/29/24 4:47 PM, Joachim Schrod wrote: > > > System information: mailman3 3.3.3; Postorius (mailman3-web) 1.3.4; > > both on Debian 11 (bullseye). > > > > I know that this is out of date; thus a definitive info "this is fixed > > by now" is quite OK for me. (Debian upgrade is planned as the next > > action after getting Mailman3 to work for that use case.) > > Yes, this is fixed. Thanks for the information that it's fixed in Postorius 1.3.6; that information is a great help, it means that I don't need to spend more time on debugging resolved issues. I tried to gather data if an update to Debian 12 (bookworm) would help. But packages.debian.org is not helpful at all, for me. I know that this is beyond the realm of this mailing list, but perhaps someone here has that information and can supply it: Debian 12 (bookworm) package mailman3-web has the version "0+20200530-2.1". This is supposed to be from some source package mailman-suite that is a salsa project that I don't grok at 1st and 2nd sight. Can anybody please provide me with information what versions of mailman3 core and mailman3-web are in this package; i.e., in Debian 12 (bookworm)? Sorry, but I'm not versed enough to understand the information about Debian packages that my search delivers. Cheers, Joachim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Joachim Schrod Email: joachim(a)schrod.org Roedermark, Germany ``How do we persuade new users that spreading fonts across the page like peanut butter across hot toast is not necessarily the route to typographic excellence?'' -- Peter Flynn

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Handling of (un)subscribe mails for already (un)subscribed users

by Andreas Barth

* Mark Sapiro (mark(a)msapiro.net) [201210 22:51]: > On 12/10/20 11:51 AM, Andreas Barth wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I noticed that a mail to -subscribe for an already subscribed user > > doesn't get any response (about line 225 in > > mailman/src/mailman/app/subscriptions.py). Same but different for > > unsubscribe for users not on the list. > > > I tested and I see this, so there is a bug, but I don't know what the > issue is. Ok, if you consider this a bug it makes sense to fix it upstream and not just locally. > The code you point to should raise AlreadySubscribedError and > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/commands/eml_m…> > should catch it and report, but this doesn't seem to be happening.. Actually I don't see where it should send the mail in the code you refered to, but I'm pretty new to mm3-code and the involved coding guidelines. I would tend to add something along msg = UserNotification( self.mlist.owner_address, self.mlist.owner_address, subject, text, self.mlist.preferred_language) msg.send(self.mlist) (with appropriate subject, ...) before https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/app/subscripti… but of course that could be the wrong approach (but as subscriptions.py is sending out mail at other places, that's my first idea). > These things should be fixed, but it's more involved than just a patch > to fix the error. For all but trivial fixes, the workflow should be > something along the lines of the following. [...] Thanks, I'll try to have a look into that. Regards, Andi

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cron Error: <mailman@gw> /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin runjobs monthly

by Odhiambo Washington

On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 8:50 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 3/2/23 02:46, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > PS: Is there any documentation (for laymen) on how to set up an > alternative > > search engine for MM3? > > > I recommend xapian. See > > http://django-haystack.readthedocs.io/en/v2.4.1/installing_search_engines.h… > and > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html?highlight=xapian#enable… I have migrated from Whoosh to Xapian. I re-indexed manually and: (venv) (venv) [mailman@gw /opt/mailman/mm]$ time /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin update_index Indexing 37747 emails real 43m43.417s user 11m40.643s sys 0m25.808s (venv) (venv) [mailman@gw /opt/mailman/mm]$ ls -alh xapian_index/ total 4676760 drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 512B Mar 4 10:00 . drwxr-xr-x 10 mailman mailman 1.0K Mar 4 08:58 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 92M Mar 4 10:00 docdata.glass -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0B Mar 4 10:00 flintlock -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 146B Mar 4 10:00 iamglass -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 1.3G Mar 4 09:41 position.glass -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 619M Mar 4 10:00 postlist.glass -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 256M Mar 4 10:00 termlist.glass (venv) (venv) [mailman@gw /opt/mailman/mm]$ du -hc -d1 fulltext_index/ # Disk space taken by Whoosh indexes 1.9G fulltext_index/ 1.9G total (venv) (venv) [mailman@gw /opt/mailman/mm]$ du -hc -d1 xapian_index/ # Disk space taken by Xapian indexes 2.2G xapian_index/ 2.2G total root@gw:/opt/mailman/mm # Am I right to say that this should allow me to set HYPERKITTY_JOBS_UPDATE_INDEX_LOCK_LIFE to 3600? Thank you. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: 12/24 hour clock ?

by Per Jessen

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/28/20 7:18 AM, Per Jessen wrote: >> Hi all >> >> at openSUSE we have recently migrated to mailman3, and we seem to be >> having a couple of teething issues: >> >> a) hyperkitty and postorius both seem to insist on using a 12 hour >> clock format, no matter what the user has set. Is there a way of >> changing it system-wide ? > > > This is a Django setting. Try > > TIME_FORMAT = 'H' > > in settings_local.py. See > https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/3.1/ref/settings/#time-format and >https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/3.1/ref/templates/builtins/#std:templatef… Thanks, will have a look. >> b) overriding the default set of footers - despite having set the >> template "list:member:regular:footer" to empty for a specific list, I >> am still getting the default footers attached. > > > How did you set the template to empty? I edited it in list settings under Templates, at first really just leaving it empty, then actually writing "empty" :-) > it works for me in Postorius from the HEAD of the gitlab branch and > should work with any Postorius >= 1.3.0 > > Note that when you set a template in Postorius, it sets the URI in > Mailman core for that template to > https://<HOST>/<PATH>/api/templates/list/<LIST-ID>/<TEMPLATE-NAME> > where the https://<HOST>/<PATH> part is the Django setting for > POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL. Is that URI accessible from the Mailman > core host machine? I'll have to check, I only do the list admin, I don't maintain the installation. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (2.2°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Mailman issues after re-boot

by Paul Rubin

*<< I sent this to the mailman3 issues on gitlab and Mark replied but asked me to move to this list, so I copied everything and inserted responses. I hope this makes sense and someone can help me.>>* After a lengthy power failure I had to reboot a machine that has been running for several years. the WEB-UI does not seem to be able to see mailman-core. I have looked for log entries that might explain what the issue is and I am stumped to even find logs that will update when I get an error on the browser. Mailman is definitely running, postgres is running and mailman web is running. if I go to the lists page I see lists, if I try to access a specific list I get Server error: An error occurred while processing your request. I looked in /var/logs/mailman /opt/mailman/web/mailmanweb All I can find is: django.urls.exceptions.NoReverseMatch: Reverse for 'list_unsubscription_requests' not found. 'list_unsubscription_requests' is not a valid view function or pattern name.16688 ERROR 2023-09-12 13:56:58,430 1760 django.request Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/goodstein.goodstein.org/ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/haystack/admin.py", line 8, in <module> from django.utils.translation import ungettextImportError: cannot import name 'ungettext' from 'django.utils.translation' (/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/translation/__init__.py) Also I have to run mailman from "mailman start" because the systemctl returns this: ● mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; vendor preset: disabled) Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Tue 2023-09-12 10:06:31 EDT; 13s ago Process: 31159 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) CPU: 806msSep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: Error in atexit._run_exitfuncs:Sep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: Traceback (most recent call last):Sep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: File "/usr/lib64/python3.8/logging/__init__.py", line 2126, in shutdownSep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: h.flush()Sep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/core/logging.py", line 67, in flushSep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: if self._stream:Sep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: AttributeError: 'ReopenableFileHandler' object has no attribute '_stream'Sep 12 10:06:31 mail systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURESep 12 10:06:31 mail systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.Sep 12 10:06:31 mail systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. Please tell me where to start looking or adjusting. Reply from Mark Sapiro,* Edited to include responses:* Mark Sapiro <https://gitlab.com/msapiro>@msapiro <https://gitlab.com/msapiro>· 1 day ago <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-web/-/issues/23#note_1557601916> Owner Add reaction More actions The mailman-users(a)mailman3.org list is probably a more appropriate place for issues like this. django.urls.exceptions.NoReverseMatch: Reverse for 'list_unsubscription_requests' not found. 'list_unsubscription_requests' is not a valid view function or pattern name. 16688 ERROR 2023-09-12 13:56:58,430 1760 django.request Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/ goodstein.goodstein.org/ /opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/postorius/urls.py should contain re_path( r'^unsubscription_requests$', list_views.list_unsubscription_requests, name='list_unsubscription_requests', ), Y *Yes this exists* and /opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/postorius/views/list.py should define list_unsubscription_requests. *Yes there is a method by this name defined* File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/haystack/admin.py", line 8, in from django.utils.translation import ungettext ImportError: cannot import name 'ungettext' from 'django.utils.translation' (/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/translation/ *init*.py) See https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.2/internals/deprecation/#deprecation-re… - ungettext() is removed from django>=4.0 Sep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: AttributeError: 'ReopenableFileHandler' object has no attribute '_stream' I don't understand this one offhand, but what is the content of /etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service, in particular the settings for User, Group and ExecStart? *The service looks right:* 1 [Unit] 2 Description=GNU Mailing List Manager 3 After=syslog.target network.target postgresql.service 4 5 [Service] 6 Type=forking 7 PIDFile=/opt/mailman/mm/var/master.pid 8 User=mailman 9 Group=mailman 10 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start 11 ExecReload=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman restart 12 ExecStop=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman stop 13 14 [Install] 15 WantedBy=multi-user.target *It seems I may have two versions of the mailman script:* mail:/opt/mailman # which mailman /usr/bin/mailman mail:/opt/mailman # ls -al /usr/bin/mailman -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 382 May 10 2021 /usr/bin/mailman mail:/opt/mailman # ls -al /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman -rwxr-xr-x 1 mailman mailman 231 Sep 12 10:02 /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman Somehow, your installation is corrupted. I don't know how *I need to know what to remove, how to correctly update, etc., That said the two scripts appear to be very similar:* mail:/opt/mailman # head /usr/bin/mailman #!/usr/bin/python3 # EASY-INSTALL-ENTRY-SCRIPT: 'mailman==3.3.4','console_scripts','mailman' __requires__ = 'mailman==3.3.4' import re import sys from pkg_resources import load_entry_point if __name__ == '__main__': sys.argv[0] = re.sub(r'(-script\.pyw?|\.exe)?$', '', sys.argv[0]) sys.exit( mail:/opt/mailman # head /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman #!/opt/mailman/venv/bin/python3 # -*- coding: utf-8 -*- import re import sys from mailman.bin.mailman import main if __name__ == '__main__': sys.argv[0] = re.sub(r'(-script\.pyw|\.exe)?$', '', sys.argv[0]) sys.exit(main()) mail:/opt/mailman # *Given the two years since the last reboot I also tried following * https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/upgrade-guide.html *to make sure I was running the latest* pip install -U mailman postorius django-mailman3 hyperkitty mailman-web

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: troubleshooting hyperkitty

by Morris Jones

On 12/9/2020 1:49 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 12/8/20 11:37 PM, Morris Jones wrote: >> I created a mailman-hyperkitty.cfg file in /opt/mailman/var/etc/. > > You need to set > > configuration: /opt/mailman/var/etc/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg did that ... > If it redirects to https, set it to https to avoid the redirect. did that as well ... base_url: https://mailman.whiteoaks.com/hyperkitty/ (Though the configuration comment on this suggests it should not be publicly accessible, I don't see any alternative endpoint that's private.) I added both my public IP address and my domain name to MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM. So this part is all set, it would seem ... [archive.hyperkitty] class: mailman_hyperkitty.Archiver enable: yes configuration: /opt/mailman/var/etc/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg [logging.archiver] path: /opt/mailman/var/logs/archiver.log api_key My archiver log continues empty The API keys match in settings_local.py MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM and mailman-hyperkitty.cfg Eric Broens suggested a curl to the endpoint to check for errors: From that I get: ------------------------------------------------- $ curl -i https://mailman.whiteoaks.com/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls HTTP/1.1 401 Unauthorized Server: nginx Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 00:55:45 GMT Content-Type: text/html Content-Length: 226 Connection: keep-alive X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff X-Frame-Options: DENY Vary: Accept-Language, Cookie Content-Language: en <html><title>Auth required</title><body> <h1>Authorization Required</h1><p>Please check whether the MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY is provided by you and it is correct. </p></body></html> ------------------------------------------------- Presumably I didn't provide the key in the header. archiver.log remains empty, and mailman.log has no references to the archiver. The hyperkitty UI is presenting fine, but no messages are archived. Best regards, Mojo -- Morris Jones, Monrovia, CA BridgeMojo <http://bridgemojo.com> Old Town Sidewalk Astronomers <http://otastro.org> Mojo's Blog <http://mojo.whiteoaks.com>

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Can't post to my own list from HyperKitty

by MegaBrutal

Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> ezt írta (időpont: 2025. ápr. 7., H, 2:05): > On 4/6/25 16:00, MegaBrutal via Mailman-users wrote: > > I get a composition dialog and can type my message, but when I click > send, > > I get the error message: „This list is moderated, please subscribe to it > > before posting.”. Upon reply, a red rectangle appears to enclose this > > message. Upon trying to create a new thread, a white page loads which > only > > contains this error message. > > In that composition dialog below the text box, it should say > ``` > This message will be sent as: user(a)example.com Link another address > If you aren't a current list member, sending this message will subscribe > you. > ``` > > No, it doesn't say anything like that. It says if I'm not subscribed, sending the message would subscribe me – no address is shown there at all. > > What do you see in Django's logs when you do this? > >> > > > > I don't know where to look – I don't see anything outstanding, only a few > > HTTP requests appear in mailman.log on mailman side and uwsgi.log on web > > side. None of these indicate any error. > > > If you configured your settings.py per > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#initial-configu… > your Django log which is where HyperKitty logs is at > /opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log. However, I don't think there will > be anything useful there. Yeah, I checked that, nothing useful.

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 not starting afte an upgrade -addendum

by Gelpi Andrea

the last problem was due to the VHOST parameter. I had to remove it to hace postorius run. Is anything changed since two month aggo when I applied some pathces? Thanks and regards -- AG Il 24/07/20 10:13, Gelpi Andrea ha scritto: > > > Il 23/07/20 23:05, Mark Sapiro ha scritto: >> On 7/23/20 4:35 AM, Gelpi Andrea wrote: >>> Hi, >>> to day in a Debian system I upgraded some packages. >>> >>> After the MM3 doesn't start anymore. > > . . . > >>> Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: os.kill(pid, 0) >>> Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: PermissionError: [Errno 1] >>> Operation not permitted >> >> >> I think you have a stale lock issue and the master is trying to >> determine if the process that set it still exists. >> >> Remove Mailman's var/locks/master.lck* >> > > Thanks Mark, now MM3 star but postorius is not working. > > The web pagge return: An error occurred while processing your request. > > I receive an email with: > ... > Exception Type: KeyError at /postorius/lists/ > Exception Value: 'file' > Request information: > USER: AnonymousUser > > GET: No GET data > > POST: No POST data > > FILES: No FILES data > > COOKIES: No cookie data > > Is that related to Django id setting or there is a passphrase mismach > some where? > > How can I check? > > > -- Gelpi ing. Andrea ************************************************** I documenti vitali dimostreranno la loro vitalitˆ spostandosi spontaneamente da dove li avevate lasciati a dove non riuscirete a trovarli. **************************************************

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: configuring postfix local recipient table

by Odhiambo Washington

On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 2:55 PM Alexander Inzinger-Zrock via Mailman-users < mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > Splitting up answer: > > Am 29.04.25 um 18:27 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > > Also, is there anything in Mailman's logs from the time you ran `mailman > > aliases`? > > Nothing in logs (before or) after command ''mailman aliases'' > and debug level everywhere is: info. > > What logs? > Everything under /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs: > > + bounce.log > + debug.log > + mailman.log > + plugins.log > + smtp.log > > All empty. > ^^^^^^^^^^^ mailman.log should never be empty. At the least, it will contain some entries about task runners, like: ``` [30/Apr/2025:14:00:01 +0300] "GET /3.1/lists?count=10&page=1 HTTP/1.1" 200 477 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" Apr 30 14:18:22 2025 (54456) Task runner evicted 0 expired pendings Apr 30 14:18:22 2025 (54456) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned workflows Apr 30 14:18:22 2025 (54456) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned requests Apr 30 14:18:22 2025 (54456) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned messages Apr 30 14:18:22 2025 (54456) Task runner deleted 0 orphaned message files Apr 30 14:18:22 2025 (54456) Task runner evicted 0 expired bounce events Apr 30 14:18:22 2025 (54456) Task runner evicted expired cache entries [30/Apr/2025:15:00:02 +0300] "GET /3.1/lists?count=10&page=1 HTTP/1.1" 200 477 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" ``` If those aren't there, then your installation has more problems than you think, IMHO. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: problems installing mailman3 under gentoo and upgrading mailman2 to mailman3

by John Covici

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 22:51:46 -0500, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > On 3/13/21 7:08 PM, John Covici wrote: > > On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 16:22:59 -0500, > > Abhilash Raj wrote: > >> > >> My guess is that you updated the database (perhaps, by invoking the mailman > >> command form 3.3.3) and then tried to start 3.3.2. In this case, Mailman comes > >> up and sees a new revision for the database migration added from 3.3.3 but > >> can’t find the same migration in its source (because it is 3.3.2). > > > > That is sort of what happened, except in the opposite direction, it > > was from 3.3.3 to 3.3.2. My question is therefore, do I have to > > update this alembic_version when I upgrade mailman to a newer version? > > That is what I was getting at. > > > Abhilash's conjecture is that the error was due to a Mailman version > accessing a database that had been previously accessed by a newer > version so that the version_num in the alembic_version table didn't > exist in mailman/database/alembic/versions/. This normally would not > occur on an upgrade of Mailman, but if you went from a gentoo Mailman > core to a version obtained by pip, it's possible that the gentoo Mailman > had an alembic version that wasn't known to the pip Mailman even though > the pip Mailman was newer. > OK, thanks. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici(a)ccs.covici.com

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: using SSH/TLS with external MTA

by Roland Giesler

On 2024/07/28 15:42, Roland Giesler via Mailman-users wrote: > > On 2024/07/28 15:26, Roland Giesler via Mailman-users wrote: >> On 2024/07/28 00:39, Mark Sapiro wrote: >>> On 7/27/24 15:16, Roland Giesler via Mailman-users wrote: >>>> >>>> The server runs power-mailinabox, which uses Postfix indeed. All my >>>> mail, and quite a few others' mail is sent from the using SMTP-Auth >>>> on port 465. Actually, this message is sent via that server too. >>>> So it's clear to me that MM3 is not authenticating for some reason. >>> >>> What do you see in Mailman's smtp.log and in the mail.log on the >>> mail server? >> >> The smtp log is in syslog... > > I also see this in /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log The /etc/mailman3/mailman3-web.py file contains inter alia these lines: # Set default domain for email addresses. EMAILNAME = 'fast.za.net' # If you enable internal authentication, this is the address that the emails # will appear to be coming from. Make sure you set a valid domain name, # otherwise the emails may get rejected. # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ref/settings/#default-from-email # DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = "mailing-lists(a)you-domain.org" DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'postorius@{}'.format(EMAILNAME) # If you enable email reporting for error messages, this is where those emails # will appear to be coming from. Make sure you set a valid domain name, # otherwise the emails may get rejected. # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ref/settings/#std:setting-SERVER_EMAIL # SERVER_EMAIL = 'root(a)your-domain.org' SERVER_EMAIL = 'root@{}'.format(EMAILNAME) fast.za.net was giesler.za.net before, so I changed it.

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: urls.py location on venv install

by Torsten

Am 2026-08-11 21:30, schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 8/10/26 07:15, Torsten wrote: >> >> mailman throws this one: >> >> 2026-08-10 16:11:20 [FALCON] [ERROR] GET >> /3.1/lists?advertised=true&count=0&page=1 => Traceback (most recent >> call last): >> File >> "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.13/site-packages/falcon/app.py", line >> 476, in __call__ >> process_resource(req, resp, resource, params) >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> File >> "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.13/site-packages/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py", >> line 65, in process_resource >> raise HTTPUnauthorized( >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^ >> '401 Unauthorized', >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> 'REST API authorization failed', >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> challenges=[realm]) >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> TypeError: HTTPUnauthorized.__init__() takes 1 positional argument but >> 3 positional arguments (and 1 keyword-only argument) were given > > > This is from a Mailman core version < 3.3.10. It was fixed for Mailman > >= 3.3.10 by <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1267>. > > It appears that you don't have the latest Mailman core. > The question then would by why pip did not install mailman core 3.3.10 but 3.3.9 >> and mailman-web this one: > > Which is a result of the one above. > >> >> I have taken the old database from the Debian configuration and moved >> it to /opt/mailman... where it should belong (I hope). > > The database(s) should be in the location(s) pointed to by the > [databases] section of mailman.cfg and the DATABASES attribute in > settings.py. In an installation per > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html these are > postgresql databases accessed via the postgresql server. My installation is rather small, therefore I am using SQLite here.

4 days, 14 hours

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 shunting mails

by Barry Warsaw

On Mar 17, 2017, at 11:22 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >The above is the last line of > > exists = store.query(ListArchiver).filter( > ListArchiver.mailing_list == mailing_list, > ListArchiver.name == archiver_name).one_or_none() > >which is querying the archivers enabled for this list for the name of a >system enabled archiver and expects to find at most one entry > >> File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", >> line 2733, in one_or_none >> "Multiple rows were found for one_or_none()") > >but finds more than one. > >> sqlalchemy.orm.exc.MultipleResultsFound: Multiple rows were found for >> one_or_none() >> Mar 17 11:54:11 2017 (6217) SHUNTING: >> 1489748051.1949184+7a59df19c81493cb419306d620376efc0e381819 > >So the cause is there appear to be multiple database entries for this >list and some archiver name, but I don't know how that can happen. I don't know either, especially since ListArchiverSet.__init__() has this: # Add any system enabled archivers which aren't already associated # with the mailing list. for archiver_name in system_archivers: exists = store.query(ListArchiver).filter( ListArchiver.mailing_list == mailing_list, ListArchiver.name == archiver_name).one_or_none() if exists is None: store.add(ListArchiver(mailing_list, archiver_name, system_archivers[archiver_name])) It runs the exact same query, and only adds the archiver to the store if it doesn't already exist. What does the following give you? % mailman shell Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell >>> # You may have to use getUtility(...).get() to find the offending list >>> m = list(getUtility(IListManager).mailing_lists)[0] >>> m <mailing list "ant(a)example.com" at 0x7face8b2da20> >>> from mailman.model.mailinglist import ListArchiver >>> q = config.db.store.query(ListArchiver).filter( ... ListArchiver.mailing_list == m) >>> list(a.name for a in q) ['mhonarc', 'prototype', 'mail-archive'] Cheers, -Barry

9 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: # comment allowed in a template file?

by skenny＠scss.tcd.ie

Mark Sapiro wrote: > If you mean can you add a '#' line that won't be part of the actual > rendered template, the answer is No. OK, thanks for the clarification. > > Initially, I created the template files with owner set to "root". This resulted in > > postings to lists getting stuck in mailman-core. It's vital that these files are owned > > by user "mailman". Once I changed the owner of the file to the latter, everything > > worked. > I don't think they need to be owned by 'mailman' as long as they are > readable by 'mailman' Yes, your formulation is a more accurate statement than mine (I could have instead simply relaxed the permissions on the files to make them world-readable). The effect of the template files not being readable by user "mailman" was interesting. Hundreds of lines like the following got written to mailman-core's var/log/smtp.log file at the rate of 4 per second: Jul 23 17:09:54 2020 (25) Using agent: <mailman.mta.bulk.BulkDelivery object at 0x7fdf9e7b5f28> (the hex number was different each time). Having excessively restrictive permissions on the template files is a silly - but easy enough - mistake to make. If it were possible to add it to Mailman 3, a more descriptive logging message could point others who make it in the right direction, perhaps. I spent a long time trying to figure out why messages weren't getting sent out from Mailman core, and in the end it was luck in form of a colleague's suggestion about file permissions that got me out of the rut. Thanks for the great support, Stephen Kenny

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: Change the default value for the General Archive Policy

by Markus Grandpré

Dear Mr Hochstein, Thank you very much for providing the link. I'm afraid the same misunderstanding as with Marc Sapiro has occurred here. I'm aware that there are three different styles to choose from when creating a mailing list. However, the setting "Settings > Archiving > Archive policy" can be configured independently of the list creation process. Still, it would be beneficial if the default value after creating a list without an archive were not "Public archive", but rather "Do not archive this list". This would help prevent list administrators from being tempted to immediately enable a public archive when setting up an archive later—especially in cases where the list is intended to be private. Kind regards, Markus Grandpré Am 6/23/25 um 22:48 schrieb Thomas Hochstein: > Markus Grandpré wrote: > >> currently, when I create a new mailing list with MM3 the value for "Archive policy" is always set to "Public archives". >> I'd like to change the default value for "Archive policy" to "Do not archive this list". How can I do this? > > Perhaps > <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…> > has some pointers how to accomplish that? > > -thh > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to markus.grandpre(a)uni-konstanz.de -- Markus Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations- und Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur Sachgebiet Diensteadministration Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Current status and issue deleting Archives in Mailman3

by Abhilash Raj

> On Nov 2, 2021, at 12:51 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 11/2/21 11:50 AM, bob B wrote: >> So I am teaching myself to fish, and see that it is actually django-admin, so that is in >> mailman-web? (in docker) >> But i get this: >> $ docker exec -it mailman-web /bin/bash >> bash-5.0# django-admin shell >> Python 3.8.10 (default, May 6 2021, 06:30:44) >> [GCC 9.3.0] on linux >> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >> (InteractiveConsole) >>>>> from hyperkitty.models import MailingList >> Traceback (most recent call last): > ... >> raise ImproperlyConfigured( >> django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: Requested setting INSTALLED_APPS, but settings are not configured. You must either define the environment variable DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE or call settings.configure() before accessing settings. > > > Do what it says. I.e. run > > DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE=path/to/settings; django-admin shell DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE expects a Python import path, instead of a filesystem path. The docker has documentation on running management commands, which in this case is “shell” [1] $ docker exec -it mailman-web python3 manage.py shell [1]: https://asynchronous.in/docker-mailman/web/#django-management-commands I know there are plethora of ways to run Django management commands, but this is the easiest one for docker. django-admin will work too, but you have to be in the right working directory for the import path to work and it get weird. I’ve always disliked how Django management commands work unfortunately and in trying to “fix” that with “mailman-web” (which isn’t adopted by container images), i feel I might have re-invented a third option. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman not able to process "big" requests

by Jonas Felber

Thank you for your support, I got informed that we are now able to send out emails again. The problem was that the crashes we got while mass subscribing led to database corruptions. (From what I know, the problem was on our side, as we kubernetes did not properly restore some files after restarting so the database got corrupted (apparently we are running now a cleanup script on each restart)) There are still some problems, but I just wanted to send out a quick update. Thanks for your support, Jonas Jonas Felber <jonas.felber(a)vis.ethz.ch> Aktuar & CTF Präsident VIS - Verein der Informatik Studierenden an der ETH Zürich CAB E 31, Universitätstr. 6, ETH Zentrum, CH-8092 Zürich https://www.vis.ethz.ch > On 24 Apr 2018, at 17:21, Darren Smith <silas.crutherton(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Our installation at https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com has around 33,000 > lists and somewhere around 1.5 million members. We have lists with 5,000+ > members. > > Note that I haven't tried any mass subscriptions. When we upgraded from > mailman 2 to mailman 3, we used the old .pck files and ran the import on > each of the lists. It did take about 6 weeks to do the full import all > 33,000 lists. I'm not joking. > > As for sending messages - there isn't any problem sending that many > messages out, but then we are also not trying to subscribe list members at > the time. We are, though, in the process of importing the old archives from > our old mailman 2 system. This doesn't seem to affect the rest of the > system. > > We have seen some inefficiencies in the new system, such as the front page > of postorius - loading all of the information for 200 lists (if the user > set the "lists per page" to 200) was bringing down the system. We have our > own metadata system to be able to search for lists by state/region/surname > (ours is a genealogy mailing list system), so we had to replace the front > page with our own "find a list" functionality. > > The other main problem was the page where a user can see what lists they > subscribe to. That page was also a denial of service if the user had > several hundred lists they are subscribed to. And for a genealogy mailing > list system, this is common. > > We have actually ended up creating our own API layer (only accessible on > the local machine) and make certain calls to it for the most painful of the > issues. One of these days (when we get a moment to breathe) we are going to > post some of our changes to the project so that we can ditch our own API > and just use the internal REST API. > > To be fair, the inefficiencies are not necessarily with mailman or the rest > API itself - but with Postorius making hundreds of calls to load a single > page. Though if the API supported loading multiple lists at once instead of > having to load them serially, that might help as well. > > So while we have not seen any timeout issues on the call to mass subscribe > users, we HAVE found several other calls that are effectively a denial of > service and have gotten around them ourselves, with plans to contribute to > the project in the near future. > > -Darren > > >> On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 8:47 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >> >>> On 04/24/2018 12:36 AM, Abhilash Raj wrote: >>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2018, at 10:41 PM, Jonas Felber wrote: >> >>>> We also have a problem with sending out emails to "large" (>50) groups, >>>> as they seem to not getting sent out at all. Do you have any idea what >>>> the problem here could be? >>> >>> Which MTA are you using? What do you see in mailman's logs and MTA's >> logs? >>> >>> I haven't seen this kind of problem before with Mailman 3. This very >> list is hosted using Mailman 3 and I believe has more than 50 subscribers. >> >> >> Nor have I seen this issue. This list currently has 158 non-digest >> members. There are several @python.org Mailman 3 lists with over 100 >> non-digest members including the active yt-users(a)python.org list with >> 301 members, and I have gotten no reports of an issue like this. >> >> Also, there are over 600 lists at <https://lists.fedoraproject.org/>, >> and I don't think this is an issue there either. >> >> -- >> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, >> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-users mailing list >> mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >> > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

8 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to strip DKIM headers on a domain level or a list level

by Mark Dadgar

On Nov 23, 2020, at 8:00 PM, Joel Lord <jpl(a)ilk.org> wrote: > On 11/23/2020 10:48 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> On 11/23/20 7:22 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: >>> >>> I also believe that it’s common for unsophisticated users to just start marking list emails as spam stop seeing them instead of figuring out how to unsubscribe. Which really sucks for everyone else. >> Several servers I'm involved with managing are subscribed to Yahoo's >> feedback loop (go to https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster and select >> "Complaint Feedback Loop"). Reporting list mail as spam is one way to >> get quickly removed from a list. However, this is a bit complicated >> because the "report spam" button in Yahoo's web mail UI is right next to >> the "delete" button, so some reports are accidents. > > I've done the same thing, but Yahoo is pretty good at sanitizing their report to make it difficult to impossible to tell who actually needs to get ejected. I added "Sent to %(user_name)s at %(user_address)s" to the footer and while they'd generally get the user_address wiped out, the user_name would generally survive. > > And because Yahoo's UI is flawed as Mark pointed out, with the delete and spam buttons adjacent, I'd usually give people a couple chances before I'd airlock them. Yeah, I’ve been subscribed to the Yahoo feedback loops for ever and ever. If you’ve got verp turned on, you can decode the original address from that in the headers. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 not working for mailman21 lists

by Diana von Bidder

Hi Stephen On Mon, 2022-08-22 at 23:51 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > blup(a)fortytwo.ch writes: > > Try queue/, especially look for the out[going], pipeline, and shunt > subdirectories. I have several entries in /var/lib/mailman3/queue/shunt/ with Aug 21 timestamps, and several entries in /var/lib/mailman3/queue/shunt/ with current timestamp (i.e. everytime I ls -l there is a new timestamp with the current time). > > > Is the 'outgoing' qrunner still running? (ps ax | grep outgoing) > > > > no > > Sorry, I got that wrong. Mark recommends this: > > ps -fwwA|grep runner=|sed s/.*runner=// > > and gave this as sample output: [..] My output looks exactly the same. > > I have more or less no Python knowledge (i.e. I can read and > > understand Python but can't write it). Could you please give me > > detailed command by command instructions. Thanks. > > I'll take a look at it tomorrow, but I can't promise results until > the weekend if I can't write a script in 30 minutes. Normally Mark > Sapiro would handle this kind of thing, but he's offline for a couple > weeks so you've got me. My knowledge is mostly on the email > protocols side of things (Internet message format, authentication > protocols), not the internal processing. I'll do what I can, but if > I can't do it real quick it's probably going to take me several > hours, which I'm not going to have until the weekend. Having something by the weekend would be perfectly fine. Thanks for your time! Regards Diana

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] AttributeError: ,> 'ReopenableFileHandler' object has no attribute '_stream'

by David Newman

((reposting with correct subject line -- sorry!)) Greetings. I am attempting a complete Mailman 3 installation on a Debian 10 system that already runs Mailman 2, following this documentation: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html Even following this guide, I'd had a lot of issues with permissions, where directories and files were owned by list rather than mailman. After correcting those issues, I then got to the point of checking mailman3's status, and systemctl shows this error: Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: Error in atexit._run_exitfuncs: Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: Traceback (most recent call last): Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py", line 2038, in shutdown Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: h.flush() Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/core/logging.py", line 67, in flush Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: if self._stream: Nov 19 20:09:57 [REDACTED] mailman[1463]: AttributeError: 'ReopenableFileHandler' object has no attribute '_stream' There is an October 2019 thread on this error [1] but I think it's in a different context, where the OP already had mailman3 running, and was trying to migrate Mailman 2 lists. Also, regarding those permissions issues above, it matters which "layout" value is in /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg. I'd tried "dev" because I saw a post from Mark Sapiro recommending that, but then mailman3 wanted me to create a bunch of directories under /etc, even though $var_dir was set to /var/lib/mailman3. Things seem to go better, except for the confusion between lists/mailman ownership, when I set layout to "debian", which was the default. Thanks in advance for clues on addressing the ReopenableFileHandler error above. dn [1] https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Broken web UI after upgrade

by Odhiambo Washington

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 11:17 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/16/22 03:36, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > I am probably getting closer to where the problem is. By looking at nginx > > error_log while access the site, I see that there are > > just two CSS files that are missing, as shown in the error lo here: > > https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/7wbwMgqMyS/ > > > > Question is - why is it specifically looking for these two files > > - /opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/css/output.93545e20bc30.css > > -/opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/css/output.e1f0c6022e8f.css > > > > Where are these files supposed to come from and why are they missing? > > I have looked at my current CACHE directory and compared with the backup > of > > the same site before upgrade and these files aren't the same either: > > They come from django admin `compress` which used files created by > django admin collectstatic. > When I run that, I did not even get any errors. > > I suggest you run > ``` > django-admin collectstatic --clear --noinput --verbosity 2 > The output is here: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/qkR2bDYv3G/ > django-admin compress --verbosity 2 > The output of the above is here: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/T7jQPrs3JX/ ``` > where `django-admin` is your django admin command. If this doesn't fix > the issue, perhaps the more verbose output will help find the issue. > If the above doesn't reveal anything substantial, then let me know and I can bump up the verbosity. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Held messages: Long time waiating for response of the Mailman API

by Jacob Sievert

Hello, we seem to have the same problem right now. We are still on python3.6 and postgresql 12.9 I looked at our Table pendedkeyvalue and we have roughly 35k rows in that table, is that normal or shouldn't those get cleaned up after a while? with regards Jacob On 2022-01-28 15:57, Stephan Krinetzki wrote: > Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >> Mark Sapiro writes: >> > mailmancore/API ->database >> > that seems to have an issue and only with this one >> > DELETE FROM pendedkeyvalue WHERE pendedkeyvalue.id = XXX >> > query. However, like you, I have no idea as to what you could do further >> > to debug this. >> > I have an idea, but it seems so obvious that presumably it's already >> been tried: log in to the database as mailman with pgsql and try >> deleting something. If that works immediately, try with mailmanclient >> and the mailman command line utility. >> Steve > > Well, we didn't try this. Since we don't know what the query for > deleting a held message in the database needs to look like, we left > that out for now. If someone can help me there, it would be great. > > Over the mailman shell it hangs as long as on the web ui (using > mailman shell -l list@host and iterating over the held messages). So > it is the communication Mailman API <-> Database. > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Where to find disabled members?

by Bill Oliver

On Mon, 2024-11-04 at 22:36 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/4/24 19:28, Bill Oliver wrote: > > > > a) See who is disabled, and > > b) un-disable them by hand > > > > or... do I just have to wait seven days for them to automatically > > get > > un-disabled? > > They do not get automatically re-enabled ever the user or you has to > manually re-enable delivery. > > For an individual user, in Postorius you can click the user in the > members list and see their delivery status and reset it. > > To deal with the whole list membership for a list, you can do > ``` > $ shell -l list(a)example.com > Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell > Use commit() to commit changes. > Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. > Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. > The variable 'm' is the list(a)example.com mailing list > >>> for member in m.members.members: > ... if member.delivery_status == DeliveryStatus.by_bounces: > ... member.preferences.delivery_status = > DeliveryStatus.enabled > ... > >>> commit() > >>> > ``` > If you just want to list them > ``` > >>> for member in m.members.members: > ... if member.delivery_status == DeliveryStatus.by_bounces: > ... print(member) > ... > >>>``` > Thank you. It worked like magic. Looks like I've got some learnin' to do with respect to the cli. I've never played with it beyond the commands indicated for installation. It looks like a great way to manage things. I much prefer a cli to gui for most of this kind of thing. billo

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installed from Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10, web not quite working

by Volkmar Grote

On 07.05.23 23:13, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 5/7/23 10:51, Volkmar Grote wrote: >> thanks for the quick reply. >> I am one step closer to a solution, >> "http://127.0.0.1:8000/postorius/lists/?all-lists#" seems to work now. >> I get the functionality, but it looks ugly w/o any graphics, for >> which I get yet another, slightly similar, error message: >>> >>> >>> Page not found (404) >>> >>> Request Method: GET >>> Request URL: >>> http://127.0.0.1:8000/static/postorius/img/mailman_logo_small_trans.png >>> >>> ... >> >> Nginx, /etc/nginx/conf.d/me.domain.de.conf >>> server { >>> listen 80; >>> listen [::]:80; >>> >>> server_name me.domain.de; >>> ... >>> location /static/ { >>> alias /opt/mailman/mm/static/; >>> } >> >> Again, many thanks in advance for any clue > > The above in nginx is correct, but you aren't getting the static files > via nginx. You need to go to a URL like > http://me.domain.de/postorius/lists/. Going to > http://127.0.0.1:8000/postorius/lists/ goes directly to your wsgi > server and doesn't involve nginx at all. You need to go to port 80 > where nginx is listening and nginx then proxys requests to > 127.0.0.1:8000. Do you also have > > location / { > proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000; > proxy_set_header Host $host; > proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; > > } > > in /etc/nginx/conf.d/me.domain.de.conf. You need that. > Thanks, port :80 did the trick. In my old Mailman3 installation on an outdated Linux VM it runs on :8000. Life's good again :-) VGVG

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installed from Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10, web not quite working

by Volkmar Grote

On 07.05.23 23:13, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 5/7/23 10:51, Volkmar Grote wrote: >> thanks for the quick reply. >> I am one step closer to a solution, >> "http://127.0.0.1:8000/postorius/lists/?all-lists#" seems to work now. >> I get the functionality, but it looks ugly w/o any graphics, for >> which I get yet another, slightly similar, error message: >>> >>> >>> Page not found (404) >>> >>> Request Method: GET >>> Request URL: >>> http://127.0.0.1:8000/static/postorius/img/mailman_logo_small_trans.png >>> >>> ... >> >> Nginx, /etc/nginx/conf.d/me.domain.de.conf >>> server { >>> listen 80; >>> listen [::]:80; >>> >>> server_name me.domain.de; >>> ... >>> location /static/ { >>> alias /opt/mailman/mm/static/; >>> } >> >> Again, many thanks in advance for any clue > > The above in nginx is correct, but you aren't getting the static files > via nginx. You need to go to a URL like > http://me.domain.de/postorius/lists/. Going to > http://127.0.0.1:8000/postorius/lists/ goes directly to your wsgi > server and doesn't involve nginx at all. You need to go to port 80 > where nginx is listening and nginx then proxys requests to > 127.0.0.1:8000. Do you also have > > location / { > proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000; > proxy_set_header Host $host; > proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; > > } > > in /etc/nginx/conf.d/me.domain.de.conf. You need that. > Thanks, port :80 did the trick. In my old Mailman3 installation on an outdated Linux VM it runs on :8000. Life's good again :-) VGVG

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: [Spam] Installation Help on Ubuntu 18

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 at 23:56, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 8/2/20 12:42 PM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > >> > >> It is currently linked from the first paragraph at > >> <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience>. > >> > > > > I followed the steps outlined in the subject document and got mailman3 > > running. > > However, what is missing in that document is the process of setting up a > > webserver for accessing the MM3 UI. > > I have spent two days trying to figure out that aspect and discovered a > few > > things (I could be wrong in what I think): > > > Which document are you talking about? If you mean > < > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xIcSsoNFp2nHi7r4eQys00s9a0k2sHhu1V5Plan… > >, > that talks about the Debian/Upuntu package installation and that package > is quite behind the current releases. > That same document. The Ubuntu package is updated to the latest. > I thought that after mush back and forth with you following > <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience> you > got Mailman 3 up and running, so why would you now be trying to install > the Debian/Ubuntu package? > I was trying to help the other poster :-) > > If you have issues with the > < > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xIcSsoNFp2nHi7r4eQys00s9a0k2sHhu1V5Plan… > > > document, you should contact its author. See > <https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344>. > I just thought that since it was being discussed here (and because you linked it to your document), we could still discuss it here. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-)

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: Filter who can send on mailman3 list?

by Allan Hansen

Marcus, One of the MM3 bugs is the inability of list moderators to see the list of members of the list they are moderating. This in spite of MM3 having an option to allow moderators to see the list's members. The bug has been reported. My own moderators regularly request their lists and I have to log in to the server directly and use the mailman core API to get the list and then used mailx to send it to them. Yours, Allan On 4/7/21, 11:58 , "Mark Sapiro" <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: On 4/7/21 1:32 AM, Marcus Granath wrote: > > Sorry, but actually I can not find any "Users dropdown" to select "Non-Members" at any Postorius in my web interface. :-( It's one of the various tabs across the top of the page. What Postorius version is this? Seversal versions back, I think it was called `members` rather than `users`. In current Postorius, the tabs are Info Subscription requests Held messages Users Templates Settings Mass operations Ban List Header filters Delete As I said, `Users` used to be `Members` and `Templates` was added at some point, but that's the general idea. > Maybe, could it be that I am actually not the admin of the mailman3 server, I'm "just" the admin of my mailman-list - so just admin for my mailman-list and not for the mailman server? As Steve said, the list admin should see all those. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 templates

by Odhiambo Washington

On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 6:35 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 2/15/23 05:22, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > 1. Where is this template that the system used and can I edit it? > > > /opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/<python_version>/site-packages/mailman/templates/en/list:user:action:subscribe.txt > > You can edit it, but your edits will be overwritten if you upgrade. > I will not touch that. > > 2. Why is it not using the template I created? > > Is the template you placed in > /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/kictanet.lists.kictanet.or.ke/en/ > named list:user:action:subscribe.txt and does Mailman have permission to > read it? > Yes. [18:47 ~ ]$ ls -al /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/ kictanet.lists.kictanet.or.ke/en/ total 48 drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Feb 14 08:53 . drwxr-xr-x 3 mailman mailman 512 Feb 14 08:54 .. -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 615 Jan 17 13:57 domain:admin:notice:new-list.txt -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 341 Jan 17 13:54 list:admin:action:post.txt -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 158 Dec 17 13:32 list:member:digest:footer.txt -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 452 Jan 17 13:54 list:member:digest:masthead.txt -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 137 Jan 17 13:55 list:member:generic:footer.txt -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 1219 Dec 8 15:12 list:member:regular:footer.txt -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 944 Jan 17 15:50 list:user:action:subscribe.txt -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 247 Jan 17 13:56 list:user:notice:post.txt -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 802 Jan 17 13:56 list:user:notice:probe.txt -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 639 Jan 17 13:57 list:user:notice:welcome.txt > Did you try to create a template in Postorius? If you did, that one will > take precedence. > Not at all. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: customized welcome message

by Nils

Forget the previous message. Thank you very much for your help, Mark. I looked at the configuration files once more, and changing POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL in mailman-web.py fixed the issue for me. Kind regards On 12/7/23 23:09, Nils wrote: > On 12/7/23 22:40, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> How and to what did you set the URL for the template? What does the >> database query >> >> SELECT uri FROM template WHERE name = 'list:user:notice:welcome'; >> >> show? > http://localhost/postorius/api/templates/list/testliste.lists.DOMAIN.TLD > > This value can't work. Now it makes sense that it gets redirected and > the use of localhost also explains why it didn't show in any of the > virtual hosts log files that I was checking until it was redirected. > > However, I didn't set that value. I edited the template at > postorius/lists/testliste.lists.DOMAIN.TLD/templates and there I can > just select a template type and then I get one textarea input field > for the content. > The value in the database is set automatically, when I create a > template in postorius (and is also automatically removed when I delete > a template there). I can't edit this value without manually changing > it in the database. > >> This is very old. Current Postorius is 1.3.10. 1.2.4 is from February >> 2019. The Debian/Ubuntu packages are out of date. We recommend >> installing via the doc at >> https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html > > The server will be updated from Ubuntu 20.04 (focal) to 22.04 (jammy) > very soon. The Debian/Ubuntu packages sure have their downsides but > once they work, they update automatically and require very little > maintenance.

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: mm3 installation question

by Odhiambo Washington

On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 3:13 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 3/5/24 1:52 PM, advorkin(a)cs.princeton.edu wrote: > > > > I went with the apache/uswgi configuration. The site is up and running, > but if I click Postorius, it gets redirected to > https://mysite.com/postorius/lists and I get not found error message. > > > > The same goes for Lists and Archives. > > Compare your urls.py to > < > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-web/-/blob/master/mailman_web/urls.py?re…>. > > Some of the `path` settings are probably not in the same order as in > that file. The > > ``` > path('mailman3/', include('postorius.urls')), > path('archives/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), > ``` > settings should come after the > ``` > path('postorius/', include('postorius.urls')), > path('hyperkitty/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), > ``` > settings (unfortunately, mailman-web 0.0.8 has these in the wrong > order). Or you can just delete the 'postorius/' and 'hyperkitty/' ones > or you can add > ``` > ProxyPass "/postorius" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/postorius" > ProxyPass "/hyperkitty" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/hyperkitty" > ``` > to your Apache config. > The odd thing is that the HOWTO that he followed never involves the manipulation of any urls.py at all - it's not even mentioned at any point. So obviously the issue is caused by something else and I suspect something within Apache needs to be re-evaluated in the guide. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: spanish localization

by Abhilash Raj

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 11:00, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 2/13/21 2:33 AM, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users > wrote: >> >> But... here is a thing that I can not understand: If the source >> (the .po >> file) is from november 7th, it doesn't matter how many times you >> recompile it: the result will be the same. > > Correct, but the point is if you download the latest > gnu-mailman-mailman-es.po from weblate, and compare it to the Nov 7 > file > in the distribution, you will find they are identical, so it it > appears > that the weblate translation hasn't changed since that time. > > If there are issues in this mailman.po, they exist in weblate too and > need to be fixed there. > > Also note that the translations on weblate only affect strings in the > core code. The Mailman core templates are not currently translated in > weblate and there are currently no Spanish language templates. One > would > need to create Spanish translations of all the templates in > <<https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/tree/master/src/mailman/templates/en>> > and submit a merge request to add them to a mailman/templates/es/ > directory. You can actually translate the templates in Weblate too. That is actually the whole reason to go with monolingual template format in Mailman Core. Mailman uses the template file's name as the msgid for translations and all in-tree templates are copied into English's .po file when we re-generate them. For example in here: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/messages/es/LC… The english .po file is considered as reference in Weblate and used for source string. Abhilash

5 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: All addresses in a bounced list posting seem to be considered as bouncing

by Andy Smith

Hi Mark, On Sat, Jul 09, 2022 at 12:05:32PM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > If the original post was the message delivered to > users-bounces(a)mailman.bitfolk.com, it is possible that simplematch or > another recognizer parsed those addresses from the message body. For now I've configured a copy of all mails to -bounces addresses, so if/when it happens again I can inspect the actual email that triggered it. In case anyone else ever wants to do that, this is one way to do it on Exim: # This goes in your "routers" section. # Add a router, before every other router that you would want to # tap messages for. traffic_tap: unseen no_expn no_verify transport = local_copy_outgoing driver = accept # "mm_domains" is a list of domain names for mailman, e.g. # "lists.example.com"; it's set as part of the usual Mailman install on # Debian. domains = +mm_domains # Only do this for bounce addresses. So between this and the above, this # router will only happen for *-bounces*@your-mailman. local_part_suffix = -bounces : -bounces+* # This goes in your "transports" section. # Add a transport for taking a local copy. Mail to Mailman is "outgoing" as it # is delivered by LMTP over a socket. But the name is not important. local_copy_outgoing: driver = appendfile # Simply store it all in a maildir. If you're expecting a lot of # messages then you'll want a directory structure by date and/or # recipient or something. directory = /var/mail/archive/.outgoing/ delivery_date_add envelope_to_add return_path_add # If not on Debian then your exim probably runs as a different user/.group. group = Debian-exim user = Debian-exim mode = 0660 maildir_format = true create_directory = true Cheers, Andy

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Auth question

by Simon Hanna

On 03/31/2017 08:10 AM, David Krantz wrote: > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 3:13 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >> We're really working on getting a consistent, workable installation >> story and even getting some packaged solutions. I know we're not yet >> there, but we're here to help when people run into problems. > The site now works, but not the / url for the site. I get this error > in the mailman-web.log (with a very long stacktrace before it) > > NoReverseMatch: Reverse for 'hyperkitty.views.index.index' not found. > 'hyperkitty.views.index.index' is not a valid view function or pattern > name. > > I think that would correspond to this line in urls.py > > url(r'^$', RedirectView.as_view(url=reverse_lazy('hyperkitty.views.index.index'))), Yes, that's the culprit. Replace it with the following: url(r'^$', RedirectView.as_view(url=reverse_lazy('hk_root'))), You can also update whatever guide you were using... > but this corresponds exactly to what the example config says and I > know of no other name for hyperkitty. Probably it is dependent upon > understanding the url dispatching in Django but that takes some time > to read up on. The interesting thing is that /archives works so it is > just this redirect that has problems. I can probably get apache to do > the redirect instead but that is not the most elegant solution. > > Then I of course have things to do on getting social logins to work. I > currently get "DoesNotExist: SocialApp matching query does not exist." > if trying to connect an account to google (which I started with). Not > a showstopper as passwords do work. Did you follow django-allauth's guide on setting them up?

9 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Blocked by Hotmail

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 1/22/21 4:11 PM, Tom @ Gather wrote: > > My mail server is on Digital Ocean if that makes any difference. > > It may. All of my recent blocks have been DigitalOcean servers including > mail.python.org, but I think I've had this in the past from non- > DigitalOcean servers. My (very limited) experience with DigitalOcean is that they harbor bad actors. That's probably only because they're a very large provider, but YMMV (more important, Microsoft's mileage apparently does). Details follow for the curious. I need to find out who was knocking over my webserver every so often, so I did some cave-diving in the logs. In the process, I discovered that about 95% of vulnerability probes (attempts access to scripts not installed on my server averaging 5X/day) were coming from DigitalOcean netblocks, almost all of those from something called stretchoid.com. I've blocked the whole /18 where stretchoid lives: DROP tcp -- 192.241.192.0/18 0.0.0.0/0 Security analysts on the web have different opinions of stretchoid; some classify them as "malicious activity", others seem to think they're some sort of researcher. I think they're a PITA, and there are zero legit connections from that netblock in my logs, so "bye-bye". Now I see unexpected access attempts about 1/5 days. :-) Oh, and who *was* knocking over my server? It turned out that once a month my employer tried about 9000 different hacks in rapid sequence and it took a couple hours for the backlog to clear, so my students couldn't access their wiki accounts or my schedule page during that period. Blocked connections from the vulnerability probing host, and there have been no black helicopters over my office, so I guess that's that. :-) Steve

5 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: where to configure max_days_to_hold on MM3 GUI interface?

by Shashikanth Komandoor

Thank you Abilash Raj for your help which made me step ahead. With your help, I have written a for loop as below which makes all the lists on my Mailman 3 box set the configuration of max_days_to_hold as 1 and of course I am successful in setting so. And the for loop is as below: *for listid in `curl -u restadmin:restpass -X GET http://localhost:8001/3.1/lists <http://localhost:8001/3.1/lists> | python -mjson.tool| grep "list_id" | awk -F"\"" '{print $4}'` * *do * * curl -u restadmin:restpass -X PATCH http://localhost:8001/3.1/lists/$listid/config <http://localhost:8001/3.1/lists/$listid/config> -d max_days_to_hold='1'* *done* With the above script I am able to set the value of max_days_to_hold as required but how to check manually and make my held messages discarded automatically which are after the specified period configured for max_days_to_hold. If I am able to do it manually I can be confident to take in to production so that the held messages after a specific period would not be appeared under "held messages" tab. On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 11:14 PM Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> wrote: > On Sat, Feb 1, 2020, at 5:27 AM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: > > Hello Mark, > > > > Thanks for helping me for moving ahead in my project. > > > > Troubling you again, I would like to put another request at you. > > > > As per your suggestion, I am trying to configure my list > > configuration through REST API for specially the parameter like > > max_days_to_hold as it is not available through interface and I am > > following the official links of mailman 3 i.e > > > https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/listconf.html > > > > But I am getting "name is not defined" sort of errors as below: > > > > > > > > > > > > *>>> dump_json('http://localhost:9001/3.0/lists/ > > <http://localhost:9001/3.0/lists/>','ant(a)example.com/config > > <http://ant@example.com/config>',dict(display_name='My > > List'),'PATCH')Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line > 1, > > in <module>NameError: name 'dump_json' is not defined>>>* > > > > Actually I am new to REST API but hope this is the only issue > that > > is preventing me to go ahead. > > > > Could you please help me by saying how should I handle this so > that > > I should be able to configure *max_days_to_hold* of a list or multiple ? > > > > > dump_json is basically a Python function which sends the request to the > URL you add as the first parameter (GET, if any data isn't specified and > uses POST if data is specified or explicitly define the PATCH or method > like you have above) and prints the json response. > > You can easily do the same using curl with the right authorization > headers, with something like: > > > $ curl -u restadmin:restpass -X PATCH \ > http://localhost:8001/3.1/lists/somelist.example.com/config -d > display_name='Patched Name' > > > Note that "restadmin:restpass" is the username password that you have set > in your mailman.cfg. > > If you do want to use Python, you can just use a regular PATCH request > using requests or standard library urllib3. > > Finally, dump_json is documented here: > https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/documentation.htm… > > > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:20 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > > > On 1/28/20 8:42 PM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: > > > > > > > > But I could see that parameter value configurable on MM2 GUI > > > > interface in General Options but I don't see the same on the MM3 GUI > > > > interface. > > > > > > > > > There are many core settings not (yet) exposed in Postorius. > > > max_days_to_hold. is one of them. It can be set via `mailman shell` or > > > via the REST API > > > < > > > > https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/rest.html#re… > > > >. > > > > > > -- > > > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > > > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > > > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > > > > > > > > -- > > Thanks & Regards, > > Shashi Kanth.K > > 9052671936 > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > > > -- > thanks, > Abhilash Raj (maxking) > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Template's encoding setup

by Ugnius S

Hi. I am not sure, maybe it could be another topic about header and footer, but I have met one additional issue related to that. This noticed only on HTML text messages. If message comes in HTML the header does not add extra <enter> new line, new paragraph and footer as well. For example if message body has no additional, list's decorated message looks next: TEST HEADER _____________________Hello, text text text, pictures, text regards Ugnius____________________ TEST FOOTER I have tried to add more empty lines in "The footer for a regular (non-digest) message.", but mailman removes these empty lines. Work around is put dot "." and then several empty lines. Mark, I have found Your post about HTML headers and footers: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… YES, that works good, I have tested it, but only in cases if message comes in HTML. If sender sends plain text message, mailman adds footer with all HTML code: <BR>__________________<BR> <B> LIST NAME </B> Could it be possible that decorate.py would recognise message and if it has HTML text body, then just would add header/footer and if not (if message body is plain text) , then would strip header/footer "html to plain text" may removing html code from it? Kind regards Ugnius 2019-09-14, št, 23:07 Ugnius S <ugniusviln(a)gmail.com> rašė: > Mark, You were 100% right for fixing. I was not sure what the > language setting were on list creating, but one of the lists was created a > day ago and I was doubt about it a little. So I made test: I have checked > that default language is lt, and then I created the new list for testing. > I had language issues with the HTML as well. Your recipe helped to resolve > the issue. :) I fixed all my lists. > I have stopped the mailman (just in case), than executed as You had told: > > $ mailman shell -l test(a)example.com > Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell > The variable 'm' is the test(a)example.com mailing list > >>> m.preferred_language > <Language [en] English (USA)> > >>> m.preferred_language = 'lt' > >>> > <Ctrl>+D > > Thank You very much. This fix made magic. > > Kind regards > Ugnius > > > > 2019-09-14, št, 20:20 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> rašė: > >> On 9/14/19 4:06 AM, Ugnius S wrote: >> >> > Yes, I have made several tests. I have set charset: iso-8859-13 >> > and default_language: lt in mailman.cfg. >> >> If you created the list before you set default_language: lt in >> mailman.cfg, the list's preferred_language is possibly 'en;' with >> character set us-ascii. >> >> >> > (Also I have set LANGUAGE_CODE = 'lt' in the settings_local.py, but I >> think >> > it is not related to this case.) >> >> >> Yes, LANGUAGE_CODE in settings_local.py is not relevant to this. >> >> >> > I have tried to set utf-8 as well in mailman.cfg as well. And I can >> > confirm - in all tested cases >> > text characters are correct (in footer as well) if sender sends text >> only. >> >> OK >> >> >> > If sender sends message in HTML (mostly all users send) then no >> > matter what the encoding is set in my mailman's >> > configuration or iso-8859-13, or utf-8 message body looks correct, but >> in >> > footer all national characters are replaced with >> > question marks " ? ". >> >> >> The addition of the footer is done by mailman/handlers/decorate.py. In >> the plain text case the message body is converted to unicode, the >> unicode footer is appended to the body and the new body is encoded for >> transmission. The encoding is the first of the list's character set, the >> incoming message's character set or utf-8 which produces no error. >> >> >> In the case where the incoming message is not a single plain text >> message part, the footer is added as a separate MIME part with the >> unicode footer encoded in the list's character set with >> errors='replace'. This is what produces the '?' characters. I suspect >> this happens because the list's preferred_language is 'en' with >> character set us-ascii. >> >> try running Mailman's >> >> bin/mailman shell -l your_list@domain >> >> at the prompt enter >> >> m.preferred_language >> >> if the response is not >> >> <Language [lt] Lithuanian> >> >> do >> >> m.preferred_language = 'lt' >> >> and then control-D to exit. >> >> -- >> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, >> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >> >

6 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM2 -> MM3 Migration

by Odhiambo Washington

On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 10:39 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/29/22 05:25, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > I looked at my list archives and saw that the latest post was on Dec 8, > > 2022. > > Then, because I wanted to import any posts that happened from 8th to > now(), > > I looked at two posts: > > 1. > > > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This talks about 'hyperkitty_import *--since=01.01.2022* -l > mylist@mydomain > > my-mbox-file' > > > > 2. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2018-July/083607.html > > Which talks about 'hyperkitty_import *--since='1990-01-01'* -l > > mylist@mydomain my-mbox-file' > > > The default without the since= option is to import only those messages > from the mbox which are newer than the newest message in the existing > archive which is exactly what you want. > So I ended up using this and I can see the list metrics indicating that the last post was on 29Dec22, but I don't seem to be able to see those posts in the archives. I have compared these two: 1. https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/list/kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.k… 2. With - https://posts.kictanet.or.ke/ - a WordPress website where I also display those same posts - I am a little confused. Must I re-index for the new posts to display? > hyperkitty_import uses python-dateutil > <https://dateutil.readthedocs.io/en/stable/> to parse the since date. > See <https://dateutil.readthedocs.io/en/stable/parser.html> for info on > formats. > Thanks. Will look at this. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: User settings triggers error

by Mark Dadgar

On Jun 28, 2020, at 4:22 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > If I'm reading the above correctly, it appears that there is a message > in the archive database whose message_id value is > 'BYAPR02MB5976132151FF19510269C44CB3940(a)BYAPR02MB5976.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>'. > The trailing '>' is causing HyperKitty's Email.as_message() method to > try to set a value of > '<BYAPR02MB5976132151FF19510269C44CB3940(a)BYAPR02MB5976.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>>'. > > Or maybe there's leading white space in the value, or both. > > Try the following patch. > > > --- a/hyperkitty/models/email.py > +++ b/hyperkitty/models/email.py > @@ -24,7 +24,7 @@ import logging > import os > import re > from email.message import EmailMessage > -from email.utils import formataddr > +from email.utils import formataddr, make_msgid > > from django.conf import settings > from django.db import IntegrityError, models > @@ -175,7 +175,12 @@ class Email(models.Model): > header_date = self.date.astimezone(tz).replace(microsecond=0) > # Date format: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5322#section-3.3 > msg["Date"] = header_date.strftime("%a, %d %b %Y %H:%M:%S %z") > - msg["Message-ID"] = "<%s>" % self.message_id > + try: > + msg["Message-ID"] = "<%s>" % re.sub('[<>\s]', '', > + self.message_id) > + except: > + msg["Message-ID"] = make_msgid() > if self.in_reply_to: > msg["In-Reply-To"] = unfold(self.in_reply_to) > The patch does not apply cleanly against /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/email.py patching file email.py patch: **** malformed patch at line 4: import os I am assuming that this is because I am running the Ubuntu packages, which are a year down-rev: Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.2.2 (La Villa Strangiato) Mailman Core API Version 3.0 Mailman Core Python Version 3.8.2 (default, Apr 27 2020, 15:53:34) [GCC 9.3.0] - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

6 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Timeout error on anonymous subscribe

by Gerald Vogt

On 23.10.24 21:35, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/22/24 23:07, Gerald Vogt wrote: >> >> For testing I have set >> >> POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://lists.example.org' >> >> to the URL of our main domain, however, if I test an anonymous >> subscribe through the list info page I still get the timeout error > > This will have no effect unless you delete and recreate the template in > Postorius because simple changing the setting won't change the `uri` in > the template table. O.K. Did that. Now the uri in mailman.template is https://lists.example.org/mailman3/api/templates/list/community.lists.examp… However, it doesn't change the timeout issue, except now the error is HTTPSConnectionPool(host='lists.example.org', port=443): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) instead of localhost:8000. >> I can access http://localhost:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/ >> community.lists.example.com/list:user:action:subscribe with curl and >> immediately get the response. > > Can you do that as the Mailman user?, e.g. > ``` > sudo -u mailman curl http://localhost:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/ > community.lists.example.com/list:user:action:subscribe > ``` > assuming the Mailman user is `mailman`. I don't quite understand the relevance of the user accessing the localhost tcp port. Any local user can do that. I can access the template content with curl http://localhost:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/community.lists.example.c… as well as curl http://lists.example.org/mailman3/api/templates/list/community.lists.exampl… as any user on the mailman server. And I can use the latter to access the template from anywhere as it's a public server. In any case, curl immediately returns the content. There is no delay. Thanks, Gerald

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] [Solved] PAM error (was Re: Re: OK, so I backed out completely and re-installed....)

by Bill Oliver

On Wed, 2024-10-16 at 12:19 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/16/24 10:26, Bill Oliver wrote: > > > > 1) I set up a mailinglist (tradfp(a)forensicpath.us) for "old school" > > forensic pathologists to discuss cases. > > > Does the forensicpath.us domain have an alias_domain configured in > mailman causing mailman to create > /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_vmap > and /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_vmap.db? You need this. Yes, I created a "lists.forensicpath.us" early on. > > > > In my previous attempt, I added > > > > hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp > > > > to both virtual_mailbox_maps and virtual_alias_maps, but I haven't > > done that yet here. I thought I'd ask and make sure I should. > > > > Should that be my next step? > > You should add hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_vmap to > virtual_alias_maps only. Done. I started getting the disappearing mail problem again, though none of the references to errors from the changes I made originally. After spending a few hours going over debug files, I noticed that I kept getting a pam error. The mails were getting rejected over authentication errors. It turns out it was all a permissions problem with /sbin/unix_chkpwd. Apparently the sticky bit was not set correctly on installation. Here's a discussion of the problem: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/422411/pam-authentication-failure-… I still don't understand why this was a problem with mailman and not with "regular" mail, but doing the "chmod u+s /sbin/unix_chkpwd" resulted in things magically working just like it's supposed to. Thanks for the help! billo

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM2.1 -> MM3.3 migration. To hold or not hold

by mark＠suburbia.org.au

Hi Mark, Thanks for taking the time to reply. Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/16/24 21:41, mark(a)suburbia.org.au wrote: > > However, I've just done a test of a newly added user (a test email account for me), seen that the Moderation Action is None, but when I posted to the list from the address, it was not held for moderation, and went through. > > Am I missing something with the expected functionality? > > A member's moderation action of None means use the Default action to take when a member posts to the list. Is that set to Hold for moderation? > Actually, it is good practice to set that to Hold for moderation for > all lists or at least all those that don't require moderator approval > for subscription to prevent a spammer from subscribing and spamming the > list. Then, upon approving a member's post you can also set the member's > moderation action to default processing and upon discarding a spammers > post, you can also set the spammer's moderation action to Discard. I agree. My point was that the list is set as default to hold for moderation. But, a new user who sends an email to the list, whose Moderation Action is set to "none", was able to email the list without the email being held for moderation. I would have expected based on the threads I quoted, that a user who is added to the list via Mass subscribe, would not be able to send to the list without it being held. I'm happy to do more testing, provide other information/logs as desired if that would help? cheers, Mark

1 year, 8 months

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