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[MM3-users] Re: Is there a way to see all the list's held messages

by Martin Lorenz

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/11/22 07:04, bob B via Mailman-users wrote: [...] > run mailman' mean you are an admin of the server on which it is > installed? If so, you can do this in mailman shell, but what do you in my case: yes > want to see? I.e., just a summary by list of subject, sender and hold > reason how would I do this? Additional question: how would I set/change the owner of a number of lists identifyable by a regular expression?

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: URL-lines in templates get folded

by Frank Steinberg

Am 18.10.2022 um 20:55 schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > […] In particular, lines beginning with whitespace aren't wrapped so if you put your long URL preceded by a space, all on one line it won't wrap. As easy as that? :-) Thank you!

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification

by Onyeibo Oku

On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:52:03 -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 10/21/22 01:14, Onyeibo Oku wrote: > > > > In any case, it works when virtual environment is active. Any idea > > how to activate that environment via systemd then? > > > Can you successfully start mailman (or run any mailman commands) > with, e.g. ``` > /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start > > or > > /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman info > ``` > without activating the venv? > Yes. All those are working without activating venv.

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification

by Onyeibo Oku

On Sat Oct 22, 2022 at 7:44 PM WAT, Mark Sapiro wrote: > The specific error you reported refers tp > /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/zope.i18nmessageid-5.0.1-py3.10.egg-info/PKG-INFO > > what does > ``` > ls -l > /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/zope.i18nmessageid-5.0.1-py3.10.egg-info/PKG-INFO > ``` > show? > See below: command: ls -lh /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/zope.i18nmessageid-5.0.1-py3.10.egg-info/PKG-INFO output: -rw-r--r--. 1 mailman mailman 7.8K Oct 19 18:31 /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/zope.i18nmessageid-5.0.1-py3.10.egg-info/PKG-INFO -Onyeibo

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: restriction on attrs?

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > and I determined that was due to attrs==21.3.0 so I pinned it <21.3.0 > and diffcov then passed. > > It appears that constraint is no longer required. OK, that all makes sense. Thanks for the reply! Steve

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3.3 ignores

by Axel Rau

Am 08.11.2022 um 09:14 schrieb Axel Rau <Axel.Rau(a)chaos1.de>: > Am 08.11.2022 um 08:11 schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net <mailto:mark@msapiro.net>>: > > > What is /var/templates now? I.e., is it a symlink to /usr/local/mailman3/var/templates? what does `ls -l /var/templates` (no slash at the end) show? > It does not exist. No directory, no link. Maybe I remember it wrong. Axel PS: Can I send posts with attachments to this list? My last posting didn’t make it. --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: No Archives

by Odhiambo Washington

On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 2:31 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/21/22 01:52, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > Could this be due to the fact that I am accessing the site using a domain > > name different than what the actual site is? > > Yes, If your setting for FILTER_VHOST is True. > Thank you very much. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Looking for my lost shaker of salt ... er, mailman.cfg

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > If you run the `mailman` command without any -C option, it will look for > a config in /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg "mailman start" (at least) ALSO will create an empty config in var/etc/mailman.cfg. This cause me a lot of pain until I linked the mailman user's $HOME/var/etc/mailman.cfg to /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg. I will report this in a few hours if nobody else gets to it first. Steve

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Extracting mailing list users

by Eggert Ehmke

I edited this file: venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_members.py The content at line 107ff is: #patch of Mark Sapiro # if email_only: if email_only or not address.display_name: print(address.original_email, file=outfp) else: # print(formataddr((address.display_name, address.original_email)), file=outfp) print(f'{address.display_name} <{address.original_email}>', file=outfp) This file is actually executed when I call mailman members. I verified this by uncommenting the first (old) print line. Now each address is printed twice (as expected), with the utf8 code in both lines in case of umlauts.

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty installation: Unclear instructions

by Johannes Rohr

Am 06.01.23 um 00:23 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > > Just follow the instructions at > <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html>. They > are the current recommendation and will result in a complete > installation. > Thanks! But hyperkitty still has to be configured in order to work, doesn't it? Where are the instructions that are compatible with the virtualenv installation method? Thanks! Johannes

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty installation: Unclear instructions

by Johannes Rohr

Thanks. But can you tell me where the manage.py is that is needed for the import command mentioned here? https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html python manage.py hyperkitty_import -lfoo-list(a)example.com $var_prefix/archives/private/foo-list.mbox/foo-list.mbox Thanks! Johannes Am 06.01.23 um 00:48 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 1/5/23 15:40, Johannes Rohr wrote: >> >> Thanks! But hyperkitty still has to be configured in order to work, >> doesn't it? Where are the instructions that are compatible with the >> virtualenv installation method? > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#initial-configu… > >

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty installation: Unclear instructions

by Johannes Rohr

Am 06.01.23 um 01:22 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > > When you follow the virtualenv install the Django management command > is named `mailman-web`. This is shown for example at > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#run-database-mi… > and the next few sections. For importing archives, it would be, with > the venv active, e.g. > ``` > (venv)$ mailman-web hyperkitty_import -lfoo-list(a)example.com > $var_prefix/archives/private/foo-list.mbox/foo-list.mbox > ``` > Thank you so much! Johannes

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cross-List and Domain based sender whitelisting ( accept_these_nonmembers )

by Johannes Rohr

Am 16.09.21 um 01:13 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 9/8/21 3:39 PM, Patrick Brückner wrote: >> >> What I can't seem to find is the option to whitelist senders based on >> a domain AND on membership on a different list. > > > As Abhilash said, Mailman 3 accepts regexps in accept_these_nonmembers > for whitelisting domains. Currently Mailman 3 does not support > whitelisting the members of another list. Is this still true in the current version? I have been using this quite extensively with mailman2, so loosing it is the one major drawback of the migration. Johannes > >

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Updated script for checking and fixing mbox files.

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > I have also added [the updated cleanarch3] at > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/contrib/clea… > for the next release. Thanks Mark!

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 6:54 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 1/30/23 05:01, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = ('127.0.0.1', '::1') > > So an array?? > > In Python ('127.0.0.1', '::1') is a tuple. MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM is a > sequence > < > https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#sequence-types-list-tuple-r…>. > > It can be a tuple as above or a list like ['127.0.0.1', '::1'] > muito obrigado :) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Improve logging?

by Odhiambo Washington

On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 9:10 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 1/31/23 09:27, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > The scary part though is the line that starts with ' Traceback'. > > It's what I'd love to not-see unless there is a serious problem. > > See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1059 Thank you. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Monthly Password Reminders

by Odhiambo Washington

On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 8:21 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 2/2/23 06:29, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > Does MM3 send these monthly subscription reminders the way MM2 used to > do? > > I am looking for the setting, but can't find that in the list settings. > > > No, it does not. The rationale behind the decision to toss away that feature? Security?? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3+Python3.11

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 7:32 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 3/6/23 08:23, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > I install Python3.11 manually on Debian12 (maybe this is the issue!) VM > > using the script below: > > #!/bin/bash > > cd Python-3.11.2 > > ./configure --enable-optimizations > > You also want --enable-shared > I had done that, but somehow the build had failed with it. I will try it again. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: New year releases!

by Torge Riedel

Thank you for your feedback, I will try this argument next time. Kind regards Torge Am 12.02.23 um 17:10 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 2/12/23 06:16, Torge Riedel wrote: >> >> Today I updated core and web of mailman3 and ran into all the issues you can have: >> - Dependencies are not updated properly > > > This depends on your pip version. With recent pip you need to specify `--upgrade-strategy eager` along with --upgrade to upgrade dependencies. This is a bit less aggressive than --force-reinstall. >

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Delete Django profiles not signed up to a list

by Andrew Hodgson

Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >> First, get the latest version of the script from >> https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/clean_users.py - not the one in this >> threat attached to >> https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/me >> ssage/YH676B67U24VXXNX2UMJYNVSFEAKAHYG/ Thanks for the updated script it works a charm. Andrew.

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: List notices in French, but subject in English

by Mark Dale

On 2023-04-06 14:59, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> I have a list set with it's preferred language set as French and the body of the standard notification emails (eg. Welcome message) is correctly sent in French, however the subject of the emails is in English. > > > This is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/993>, fixed in Mailman>=3.3.6 by <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1000>. > Thank you Mark. As I feared, a little more than just the .mo file. Best, Mark

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to hide sender completely

by Roland Miyamoto

Thanks, Mark, On 10/05/2023 01:50, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Both this and all other incoming Received: headers are removed from > posts to anonymous lists beginning with Mailman 3.3.4. > X-MailFrom: headers are also removed as of Mailman 3.3.4. For clarifying. I am currently running GNU Mailman 3.2.1 (La Villa Strangiato) under Debian buster (10). Seems I will have to upgrade to Debian bookworm (12) if I want to stick with the deb package and want complete anonymity to work. Or else dive into the virtualenv, which seems to be recommended option anyway. Thank you very much, for me the question is thereby settled. Roland

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman break DKIM signature by modifying body

by Peter Münster

On Mon, Jun 05 2023, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Changes like those above are due to Python's stdlib email module. Ok, I'll submit a bug report. > Instead, you should be DKIM signing your outgoing mail and perhaps applying > Mailman's DMARC mitigations if DMARC is an issue. I would like to keep things as simple as possible. Before changing my setup, I'll see, if there is any chance, that the email module gets fixed. -- Peter

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] problem with Python's stdlib email module (was: Re: mailman break DKIM signature by modifying body)

by Peter Münster

On Mon, Jun 05 2023, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Changes like those above are due to Python's stdlib email module. Could you point me to the code please, where the module is called? TIA, -- Peter

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: problem with Python's stdlib email module

by Peter Münster

On Mon, Jun 05 2023, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Basically, all over. Thanks. I would like to find out, which function is responsible for the modification of the body, before filling a bug report. Unfortunately I don't have any experience with Python, so any help is highly appreciated. My idea is to add "print(message)" at the places, that you mentioned. Where would I find the output then? TIA for any hints, -- Peter

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: problem with Python's stdlib email module

by Peter Münster

On Mon, Jun 05 2023, Mark Sapiro wrote: >>>> import email >>>> import smtplib >>>> from mailman.email.message import Message >>>> with open('path/to/message/file', 'rb') as fp: > ... msg = email.message_from_binary_file(fp, Message) Thanks, now it's very easily reproducible and I can send a bug report! -- Peter

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Where in database are subject prefix sequences stored?

by Thomas Ward

Oh snap, I was expecting it to be in its own psql sequence! Thanks Mark! Thomas On 6/20/23 22:05, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 6/20/23 6:21 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: >> I am using numeric prefixes for a list, such that it's >> `[ListName-000012]`. >> >> Where would that sequence indicator be stored in the database? > > > The post_id column in the mailinglist table entry. >

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Issues with @gmail.com addresses

by Peter Münster

On Tue, Sep 05 2023, Mark Sapiro wrote: > it has recently started enforcing a stricter policy Yes, indeed, very annoying. That's why Mailman is no more useable for me, because I don't want to change the "From:" header. Probably related: Even without any setting in "Alter Messages", messages with attachment from Gmail are altered, so that DKIM signatures are invalidated: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… If anybody wants to fix that, please contact me, I could offer a bounty. Just an idea: you could add to the message object a field like "orig-body", that keeps the unmodified body. -- Peter

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: How to let mailman log every single email that it sends out?

by Jens Günther

I actually also see them without special settings. Postfix should log all outgoing connections and whether the mail has been sent or not, obviously. Regards. Am 09.09.23 um 18:43 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > > If you want to see individual recipient emails in /var/log/mail.log, the > best way is to enable VERP in mailman. I.e., set > ``` > verp_delivery_interval: 1 > ``` > in the [mta] section of mailman.cfg. > Then you should see entries like: > > > in /var/log/mail.log for each recipient. >

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Is there a way of recording bounce messages?

by Andrew Hodgson

Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >On 9/21/23 07:06, Andrew Hodgson wrote: >> Hi. >> >> The messages recording the bounce don't include the original DSN. >This is https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/737 fixed in Mailman >3.3.5 Hmm. I'm on 3.3.8 and there was no attached bounce message in any of the reports. Thanks. Andrew.

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: Strange password problem

by Eggert Ehmke

Am Samstag, 23. September 2023, 23:02:18 CEST schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 9/23/23 10:55, Eggert Ehmke via Mailman-users wrote: > > I also have a setting so that on each URL only the lists are visible that > > belong to that domain. Sadly I don't remember the setting, but that works. > > That's the Django `FILTER_VHOST = True` setting. That's right, I have that in my settings.py

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman issues after re-boot

by Nelson Strother

On 9/28/23 20:25, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > This is a packaging glitch with PyPI. At one point a couple of flufl.* > packages were named flufl_*. I forget exactly how to fix this, but try > in your venv > ``` > pip install -U --force-reinstall flufl.bounce flufl.i18n flufl.lock > ``` https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1085 and/or: https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-developers@python.org/thread/… may be relevant. Nelson

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: impossible to administrate *.com emails

by testeur

In fact, i had the modsecurity which blocked ".com" link. It is resolved. thx, On 09/10/2023 23:52, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/9/23 13:07, testeur via Mailman-users wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I don't understand why this problem ! >> In the web interface, i can't administrate email finishing with >> ".com" (ex : gmail.com, hotmail.com, etc) >> I obtain : >> >> >> "Forbidden >> >> You don't have permission to access this resource." > > What is is your web server error log? >

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: (Custom) Plugins: Proper file path(s) for adding a handler?

by Thomas Ward

Perfect, that should make things easier for me to install. Thank you kindly for all your support everyone! Thomas On 10/24/23 11:54, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/24/23 8:20 AM, Thomas Ward via Mailman-users wrote: >> >> This means I can install the code to anywhere on `sys.path` that the >> system can detect and it does not need to be in the Mailman3 >> library/directory space in the venv? > > Yes, as long as Mailman can import the class defined for the plugin in > mailman.cfg, it will work. >

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: disabled users

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > I don't think this is correct. Members with delivery disabled by > bounce will normally show 0 rather than None for bounce score. Too bad; eg, on this list more than half the members have 0 bounces, while (estimating from memory) about 1 in 10 have None, and about half of the Nones are disabled.

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Immediate notification to the administrator

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > This Mailman 3.2.2 cron/crontab.in.in file is is an artifact from > Mailman 2.1. Nothing there is relevant to any Mailman 3 version So there was no daily notification at all in Mailman 3.2.2? That kinda sucks for this user.

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman-web compress - Invalid template socialaccount/login_cancelled.html

by Jeremy Stanley

On 2023-11-07 19:46:01 -0800 (-0800), Mark Sapiro wrote: [...] > I don't think this is fatal, but I have reported it at > https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/issues/3513 We've been seeing the same thing in our deployment, I just hadn't found the time to look into it yet. Looks like upstream won't-fixed it, so I guess it was an intentionally backward-incompatible change and the template files will need some minor reworking? -- Jeremy Stanley

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Database problem after system upgrade

by Lars Bjørndal

[Odhiambo] [...] > That message is cryptic to me, but [2]@Mark Sapiro might know. > Could you please see if there are stale lock files in /opt/mailman3/var/locks/ > that could be preventing mailman3 from starting? > If there are two files there, delete them and try starting mailman3 again. > Beyond that possibility, I now remain clueless :) Deleting the lock files did the trick. Thanks. Lars

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3-web language preference and translation settings

by Nils

Thank you very much for your help, Mark. On 12/7/23 01:44, Mark Sapiro wrote: > The only thing I can think of is you may need to cd to the directory > containing django/ django_mailman3/ postorius/ and /hyperkitty before > doing the above. This may be something like > /usr/lib/python3.x/site-packages. > Yes, that did it! Previous command didn't work because of file permissions. So instead of sudoing the command as www-data, I just did "django-admin compilemessages" as root after changing to directory "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages". Kind regards Nils

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: The doubled entries issue

by Lars Bjørndal

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 08:58:05PM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/13/23 10:06, Lars Bjørndal wrote: [...] > > Will mailman notify when there's shunted messages? > > No. I run a daily cron that does `ls -lAR /opt/mailman/mm/var/queue/` which > lists the shunt queue and the others. Today, I find the following file in the shunt folder: `ls -l /opt/mailman3/mm/var/queue/shunt/` -rw-rw---- 1 mailman3 mailman3 25473 des. 21 11:11 1703153465.6663258+bfbef88d4b3433eb5978cb42852601faee9ab00c.pck.tmp What's this file? Should I take action or just remove it? Thanks, Lars

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: [ext] Re: Issues with a DMARC record leading to message being shunted

by Ralf Hildebrandt

* Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > For now, I reported this at > https://github.com/ValiMail/authentication-headers/issues/27 Thanks! -- Ralf Hildebrandt Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netz | Netzwerk-Administration Invalidenstraße 120/121 | D-10115 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 ralf.hildebrandt(a)charite.de https://www.charite.de

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: search this list searches more then just this list

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > I have tested and I can confirm that with two lists in the same > domain named `test` and `x-test` and with Whoosh as the backend > searching the `test` list returns hits from both lists, but with > Xapian as the backend, only hits from the `test` list are returned. Wow! Thanks, Mark! Steve

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hiding an ML from a site

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > Note, I have been without power at my house for almost 3 days now, > so I don't have access to all my usual resources. Yikes! Take care of yourself, we'll keep the Internet running. Steve

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: export/import list?

by Peter Adebahr

On 3/1/24 00:11, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/29/24 14:44, imark(a)posteo.net wrote: >> This appears to be practical for exporting/importing ALL the lists >> from one MM3 server to another MM3 server. >> >> Is there a similar straightforward way of exporting/importing just ONE >> list? > Why not export ALL list as indicated, then delete all unwanted lists on source resp. destination server ...

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty tracebacks: possible DB corruption?

by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au

>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> writes: Mark> On 3/12/24 11:12 PM, peter--- via Mailman-users wrote: Mark> Wrapping the last_view_obj, created = Mark> LastView.objects.get_or_create() in a try, except seems Mark> appropriate, but your code in the except clause assumes there Mark> will be exactly 2 objects returned. I was copying code from https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/models/threa… Peter C

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: SpamAssassin and clamav?

by Marisa Giancarla

Ok sounds good... Marisa On 3/15/24 18:40, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 3/15/24 17:52, Marisa Giancarla via Mailman-users wrote: >> Is there a way to have mm3 use SpamAssassin and/or clamav? >> Marisa > > It would require custom code modification to invoke SpamAssassin > and/or ClamAV from mailman. It is much better to integrate these in > the MTA. >

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 3.2.2 python3.8 problem on focal

by Thomas Stein

Thanks! Am 21. März 2024 01:19:36 MEZ schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: >On 3/20/24 10:24, Thomas Stein wrote: >> >> Answering my own post for now. >> >> Replacing time.clock() with time.process_time() in /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/uid.py seems to fix the current issue for me. Don't know what else I broke with it though. :) > > >Mailman 3.2.2 is not compatible with Python>=3.8. Unfortunately, at least one Debian/Ubuntu release included that combination. Your fix is the correct one, see https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/commit/ea05bdd0f74ba06d85adad1f7d190a6… >

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Sibling lists in Mailman3

by Markus Grandpré

Thank you. Am 27.03.24 um 17:26 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 3/27/24 08:05, Markus Grandpre wrote: >> >> after I migrated a list from Mailman21 to Mailman3 I missed the >> Mailman21 setting "regular_include_lists" (or something similar) in >> Mailman3. How are sibling lists treated in Mailman3? > > The sibling list features do not exist in Mailman 3. > -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Error -- postorius Un-handled exception

by admin＠bclug.ca

Mark Sapiro wrote: > What's in var/logs/mailman.log? Good question! > 2024-04-10 12:42:08 [FALCON] [ERROR] GET /3.1/lists/new_test.domain.tld/arch ivers => Traceback (most recent call last): > ... > ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman_hyperkitty' That has me confused, as the footer says > Powered by HyperKitty version 1.3.9.

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Error -- postorius Un-handled exception

by admin＠bclug.ca

Mark Sapiro wrote: > > ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman_hyperkitty' > > That has me confused, as the footer says > > Powered by HyperKitty version 1.3.9. > > mailman_hyperkitty is a separate package which is a shim between Mailman > core and HyperKitty. In your venv or wherever Mailman is installed, you need > pip install mailman_hyperkitty It should be already installed, as it shows in the footer? > (venv) mailman@mail:~$ pip install mailman_hyperkitty > Requirement already satisfied: mailman_hyperkitty in ./venv/lib/python3.10/site-pa ckages (1.2.1) > ... > (venv) mailman@mail:~$

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Welcome message template errors

by Mark

On 2024-04-24 03:58, Mark Sapiro wrote: > What do you get if you do > ``` > sudo -u mailman curl > https://lists.mydomain.com/mailman3/api/templates/list/mytestlist.lists.myd… > ``` > with the template set in Postorius? The welcome message is returned. root@hel:~# sudo -u mailman curl https://LISTS.MYDOMAIN.COM/mailman3/api/templates/list/MYTESTLIST.LISTS.MYD… Test Welcome message for new subscribers.root@hel:~#

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Welcome message template errors

by Mark

On 2024-04-24 14:18, Mark Sapiro wrote: > So all the runners are running as user mailman. That's good. What > exactly is the issue now. Is it retrievals timing out or an empty > welcome message? The issue is: A. With POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://<REDACTED-PUBLIC-IPv4-ADDRESS>', it sends an empty Welcome message when a new member is added. B. With POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://MYDOMAIN.COM', no Welcome message gets sent and a timeout error appears on the webpage, although the new member gets added.

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Welcome message template errors

by Mark

On 2024-05-01 03:12, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I have now reinstalled Mailman from scratch on the development server > in a Python 3.12.3 venv using the heads of the gitlab branches and > getting the current versions of all the dependencies and this > installation gets no error. So while I still have an older venv that > produces this error, I cannot duplicate the error in a new install. In the new installation, are the template.uri (in the mailman DB) records written as http://localhost:8000/... ?

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 doesn't send Mails to users (Debian12 with Plesk)

by admin＠bclug.ca

Mark Sapiro wrote on 2024-05-24 05:15: > Are you gating messages to/from usenet for this list? Is nntp common enough these days to be a useful default runner? I disabled it in mine when I noticed it, but it seems (IMHO) a waste of resources (yet another Python interpreter running) for a fairly edge case of mailing list <--> nntp transits. rb

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Automatic migration from Mailman 2.1 (Debian buster) to Mailman 3 (Debian bookworm)

by Ron / BCLUG

Mark Sapiro wrote on 2024-05-25 08:38: > The host name displayed in the web UI is based on the SITE_ID setting in > Django's settings. This is a system configuration not associated with > any lists. it references an entry in the django_sites table in the > database. Specifically, the `mailmanweb` DB, table `django_site`. In this case, I found the GUI to be easier: https://$your_domain/admin/sites/site/ rb

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: A few more MM3 questions

by Marc SCHAEFER

Hello, On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 09:23:07AM -0400, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I don't know the details of where the Debian package puts things, but there > may be Postfix related files in /var/lib/mailman3/data, but yes, all Yes, exactly. Mailman3 under Debian can generate Postfix aliasesdb (it requires a manual Postfix configuration though to reference those files: I think it was already in the example deployment script I posted a few days ago). Also, the start script of Mailman3 under Debian *seems* to systematically regenerate those files at Mailman startup, so it would probably not even be needed to restore this. Great new! Thank you.

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem with digests not being sent daily

by Mark

> On 6/22/24 17:51, Mark Sapiro wrote: > With digests enabled and > the threshhold set to 0, on each post a digest.mmdf will be created > and then immediately moved to digest.<vol>.<num>.mmdf and an entry > queued for digest runner to create the digest(s) from that file and > remove it, so within probably a few seconds > /opt/mailman/mm/var/lists/<LISTID>/ will be empty again. Digests are enabled and the threshold = 0. Is it possible to temporarily disable the digest runner so that I can see if a post is actually creating the digest.mmdf file (before the runner removes it)?

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Where to put static files referred to from list Info page?

by Greg Newby

On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 3:30 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 8/5/24 15:02, Greg Newby wrote: > > > > My question: Is there a place I can put these files within the Mailman > > directory hierarchy so they can be linked from the list Info page? > > You could put them in Mailman's static/ directory and reference them > with a /static/... URL. > > Confirmed - thanks! The 'static' location was just what I was looking for. ~ Greg

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Trying to understand the mailman.cfg from the virtualenv installation guide

by Danil Smirnov

Hi Mark, ср, 11 сент. 2024 г., 06:26 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > On 9/8/24 01:04, unite42--- via Mailman-users wrote: > > [mta] > > verp_confirmations: yes > > verp_personalized_deliveries: yes > > verp_delivery_interval: 1 > > > > What is the background of these recommendations? > > > These settings enable VERP for all list messages. This results in more > reliable bounce processing. > Is there any downsides of using it, so it's not enabled by default? TIA Danil >

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: makemigrations --merge error after Debian upgrade

by Chupin Maxime

Mark Sapiro wrote: > Did you run this as the Mailman user (list in the Debian packages)? Thank you, I tried, but the system asked me a Password for this user... I do not understand. ``` sudo -u list mailman-web makemigrations --merge Password: ```

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: makemigrations --merge error after Debian upgrade

by Marc SCHAEFER

On Tue, Oct 01, 2024 at 08:10:54PM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Look at the contents of the mailman-web script. My guess is it contains > `sudo -u list ...` Not exactly: (debian bookworm) su -s /bin/sh -c "python3 /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py $*" www-data if run from root, it should not require a password.

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: makemigrations --merge error after Debian upgrade

by Chupin Maxime

Mark Sapiro wrote: > What user ran the makemigrations --merge? ``` cat /usr/bin/mailman-web #!/bin/sh su -s /bin/sh -c "python3 /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py $*" www-data ``` > What does ls -la /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_q/migrations/ show? that all the files belong to `www-data`... but know I get the error for `/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/migrations`. So I change the owner and everything works know. I’ve done : ``` root@machine: mailman-web makemigration --merge ``` and then ``` root@machine: mailman-web migrate ``` and now, hyperkitty is working well!!! Thank you to all of you.

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Should I try to install mailman3 on Kubuntu 20.04?

by Bill Oliver

Thanks. I'll get started on it tomorrow. On Fri, 2024-10-04 at 17:50 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/4/24 15:59, Bill Oliver wrote: > > > > My bad. I meant 24.04 LTS. Have folk had good success with Ubuntu > > 24.04 and mailman3? > > > Yes, this works well using the virtualenv install procedure at > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html > > The people who have trouble are mostly those trying to install the > Debian/Ubuntu packages via apt. >

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: New installation, new issue: mailman3 migrate -- no module CommonMark

by Bill Oliver

On Sat, 2024-10-26 at 20:21 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > [snip] > What is your version of readme_renderer? I don't see readme_renderer > importing from CommonMark in any recent version. > > -- (venv) mailman@mail:~$ pip freeze | grep readme readme-renderer==17.4 billo

11 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: How to fix: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP)

by Jigme Datse

On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 20:07:00 -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 10/31/24 16:30, Jigme Datse wrote: > > > > Going to any of the list pages, gives the above Error. Well, not > > exactly the above error, Django is in square brackets. OK, that > > will work better for me with the how to fix. > > > What's in Django's logs? > Attached logs (I hope that works). A couple are currently empty?

11 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius not HTML-decoding < to "<" characters

by Jeremy Stanley

On 2024-11-09 13:05:16 -0800 (-0800), Mark Sapiro wrote: [...] > Also, it depends on the archive rendering mode and only occurs if the mode > is Markdown text rather than Plain text. It is really `mistune`, > <https://mistune.lepture.com/en/latest/index.html>, which is doing the > markdown rendering and which `escapes` HTML tags. [...] On a related note, the MD rendering here seems to misinterpret sig separators as markup. Like this... -- Jeremy Stanley

11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Template for Password Reset Email

by Mark

On 2024-11-18 16:23, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/17/24 21:27, Mark wrote: > You have done everything correctly. What is missing is the user's > browser is not putting `fr` first in the Accept-Language: HTTP header > in it's requests. > > Most browsers have a setting to control this. Gotcha. Wow! That was a suprise. Here I was thinking that there was no way the browser's setting would have any effect on the email. But now I see how it all works. Brilliant! Thank you once again Mark. Your patience and guidance are truly appreciated. Best, Mark

10 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: MM2.1 -> MM3.3 migration. To hold or not hold

by mark＠suburbia.org.au

Mark Sapiro wrote: > This says it was held for moderation. Is there an X-Mailman-Approved-At: > header which would say it was approved by a moderator? No "X-Mailman-Approved-At" in the header. All the X-Mailman headers in the mail sent to the list were included in my previous reply.

10 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty performance problem

by Tobias Diekershoff

On 22.11.24 17:54, Mark Sapiro wrote: > As Odhiambo says, there are no table conflicts between these databases > so they can be either the same database or separate databases as you > wish. Thank you both for clarification Odhiambo and Mark! -Tobias -- Tobias Diekershoff >>> System Hacker Free Software Foundation Europe Schönhauser Allee 6/7, 10119 Berlin, Germany | t +49-30-27595290 Registered at Amtsgericht Hamburg, VR 17030 | fsfe.org/support OpenPGP-Key ID ... 0x25FE376FF17694A1 Fingerprint ...... 23EE F484 FDF8 291C BA09 A406 25FE 376F F176 94A1

10 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Suggeested change to the venv installation instructions

by Bill Oliver

On Thu, 2024-11-28 at 17:46 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > There's already an MR in progress for this, although the approach > there > is different. See > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite-doc/-/merge_requests/160 > Cool. Thanks for the reply. billo

10 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Problem with importing lists

by Alain D D Williams

On Sun, Dec 01, 2024 at 11:27:13AM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Are you running `mailman import21` as `root` and thus creating files in > Mailman's var/templates/lists/ directory that can't be read by `mailman`? Yes: fixed by a quick: chgrp -R list /var/lib/mailman3/templates/lists Yes: I do remember reading something about that but forgot. This will go in my notes. Thanks a lot for your help and patience! -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

10 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Subscription requires confirmation when list is set as Open

by Mark

On 2024-12-19 02:22, Joachim Schrod wrote: > Is there a > configuration option for a mailing list that sets "Pre Verified" to > true as a default? Hi, Editing the list_forms.py file will set the "Pre Verified" checkbox default to "checked" ... /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/postorius/forms/list_forms.py ... changing initial=False to initial=True - onLine 1267 pre_verified = forms.BooleanField( label=_('Pre Verified'), initial=True, ... And then restart of mailman3 and mailmanweb after editing. See Mark Sapiro's post at ... https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… Regards, Mark

9 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 breaking DKIM signatures

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > This should prevent folding headers, but this is problematic. It may be > that the incoming message contains a folded header and this change will > not fold it in the outgoing message. I think not, but I don't know for > sure. You'll have to test this. Mailman definitely can refold header fields differently from the original. This happens with Asian scripts all the time.

8 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Pck files stuck in out queue

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > It is definitely related. That (very uninformative) message is > logged once only after the out runner is started the first time > calls the decorate handler and the handler can't access a template. So this socket.error is an escape from template.py:TemplateLoader (most likely bubbling up from template.py:TemplateManager)? I'd like to catch this error and do something useful with it. Steve

8 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 on python3.13 debian testing package

by Thomas Krichel

Mark Sapiro writes > Because the messages are being shunted because of the above exception which > is a Python 3.13 issue https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1190 > fixed by https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1309. > > Once you fix that issue by either downgrading Python This is course of action I took via the virtual environment. > or installing the changes from > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1309 you can > reprocess those messages with `mailman unshunt` Smashing! I am trying that right now. Thank you so much! -- Written by Thomas Krichel http://openlib.org/home/krichel on his 21804th day.

8 months

[MM3-users] Re: settings.ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED is deprecated in allauth-65.5.0

by Andreas Vetter

On Montag, 17. März 2025 14:41:40 CET Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 3/17/25 6:11 PM, Andreas Vetter wrote: > > What would be the correct setting for the new > > ACCOUNT_SIGNUP_FIELDS > > See > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-web/-/blob/master/mailman_web/settings/ma > ilman.py?ref_type=heads#L31 I just added the line del ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED in my etc/mailman3/settings.py Since I disabled signup, this is enough for me. -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen, Andreas Vetter

6 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Can't post to my own list from HyperKitty

by MegaBrutal

Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> ezt írta (időpont: 2025. ápr. 7., H, 2:43): > On 4/6/25 17:30, MegaBrutal via Mailman-users wrote: > >> > > No, it doesn't say anything like that. It says if I'm not subscribed, > > sending the message would subscribe me – no address is shown there at > all. > > Compare your hyperkitty/templates/hyperkitty/fragments/send_as.html to > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/templates/hy… 100% match: fa83f9809576572bf6d40b9ce322bd8f6a939ec80f08186be0d184d62bc4a42e *./venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/templates/hyperkitty/fragments/send_as.html fa83f9809576572bf6d40b9ce322bd8f6a939ec80f08186be0d184d62bc4a42e */tmp/send_as.html

6 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Can't post to my own list from HyperKitty

by MegaBrutal

On Mon, Apr 7, 2025, 03:04 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > so it is saying there is only one choice for sender which I think means > there is only one address associated with your login. That still doesn't > explain why it thinks you're not a list member. > Indeed, it doesn't explain. Are there any maintenance scripts or DB queries you recommend to run to get to see what's happening under the hood? I've already tried ``mailman-web mailman_sync``, but it didn't do anything. >

6 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Unable to ban users via mailman-shell

by Mihai Moldovan

* On 4/13/25 17:19, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Do you have a setting for `banner` in the `[shell]` section of your > mailman.cfg? Whoops, yes, I do. Removed it, and the messages appear correctly, of course. It's a downstream packaging bug, the sample config they created only includes the first line: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mailman3/tree/debian/contrib/mailm… Thanks. Bug report time to Ubuntu it is. Mihai

6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Setup Question: Disk-Layout (Migrating from Mailman 2.1)

by Mihai Moldovan

* On 4/17/25 19:38, Mark Sapiro wrote: > There is no Mailman command to do this, but a Python script is very > simple. Something like > ``` > [script] > ``` Great, that will definitely create it in the format expected by Python and hence mailman! Thank you very much. Mihai

5 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: configuring postfix local recipient table

by Alexander Inzinger-Zrock

Splitting up answer: Am 29.04.25 um 18:27 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > Also, is there anything in Mailman's logs from the time you ran `mailman > aliases`? Nothing in logs (before or) after command ''mailman aliases'' and debug level everywhere is: info. What logs? Everything under /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs: + bounce.log + debug.log + mailman.log + plugins.log + smtp.log All empty. lg aiz

5 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Masking email addresses in the archives

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, May 26, 2025 at 5:31 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 5/26/25 9:47 AM, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > > I must have missed this if it was ever discussed, but is it possible to > > mask the list members' email addresses in the archives? > > > See https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/508 Thank you. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

4 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Caching problem with templates

by Mark

On Sat, 2025-06-28 at 20:56 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > A much simpler way to accomplish the same thing is to set > > cache_life: 1m > > in the [mailman] section of mailman.cfg. > Yes, I thought so too. I also tried 0d -- which wrote the expiry date the same as the created date (to the second). # /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg [mailman] cache_life: 0d But, just as with writing in a past date, it didn't solve the problem. I also spun up a brand new server to thrash it out there, but no joy there either.

3 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Caching problem with templates

by Mark

On Sat, 2025-06-28 at 21:55 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1230 > > I intend to implement disabling the cache entirely by setting > cache_life > to any zero value, i.e. 0s, 0m, 0h, etc. > Setting the cache_life to a zero value only writes the expiry date as "now". The cached file is still there. And it doesn't appear to be getting overwritten (as expected) when the template is edited.

3 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Disable Sign-up per domain

by Mark

On 2025-08-01 02:46, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> And here I had >> >> return super().is_open_for_signup(self, req) >> >> which should return the is_open_for_signup result from >> allauth.account.adapter.DefaultAccountAdapter but since that result is >> an unconditional True, what you have is OK too. > > > Actually, that too was wrong. It should have been > > return super().is_open_for_signup(req) > > but that is now moot as > > return True > > is fine. Ahhh. Thank you for letting me know that. I had used "return True" in an act of desperation. Is good to be shown how to do it right. :-)

2 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Disable Sign-up per domain

by Mark

On 2025-08-01 19:40, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I.e., I'm trying to determine if there is some issue with the modified > ../user_adapter.py or if the issue does not involve the modification, > but rather just the setting of ACCOUNT_ADAPTER If I leave the modified "user_adapter.py" in place, and remove the ACCOUNT_ADAPTER string from the "settings.py" file all is well ie. the SignUp pages display as they should.

2 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Subscription Request asking for Confirmation instead of Moderation

by Henry Hartley

> -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2025 18:57 > > What does the mail to the user, FIRSTLAST(a)SCHOOL.edu, say? I.e., if the > subscription is waiting confirmation there should be a mail to the user with > Subject: Your confirmation is needed to join the MAILINGLIST mailing list I've having the users do some testing to see if a) they can reproduce the problem and b) if so whether or not the confirmation email is sent. -- Henry Hartley Westat RB 2151

1 month, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/test2.***/settings/message_acceptance MultipleObjectsReturned .. get() returned more than one EmailAddress -- it returned 2!

by ^m'e

Mark Sapiro wrote: > https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/UC_fix to fix this and one at > https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/Mult_primary to fix a possible side > effect of the other. The same problem appeared today with my mariadb-based installation. @Mark, do you have a mysql version of your scripts? -- ^m'e

1 month, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Problems with SPOOFED_UNAUTH

by M.Ede

Mark Sapiro wrote: > The following patch will remove the header. Thanks for the hint, I removed authentication-results header as well as arc-authentication-results with your patch, but rspamd still results in SPOOFED_UNAUTH. I'm now investigating further why rspamd behaves this way. DKIM signing happens when sending from a non anonymous list, but with anonymous something differs ... Thanks for your help so far. I'll be happy to get back to you if I have any new information.

1 month

[MM3-users] Re: After server upgrade debian 11→12 and reinstalling everything in (venv), I got this error when accessing → mailman3/lists

by Wikinaut

Mark, this is great news, a little bit like expected! Thanks again for clarifying the term "generic" here. It's helpful to have it for definition of both, "regular" and "digest". Is this documented somewhere? I think, I need to create a wiki for mailman3.

3 weeks, 2 days

[MM3-users] Re: Can't subscribe on new site/domain

by Flo

On 10/10/25 20:47, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > What do you get from the following database query > > SELECT * from django_mailman3_maildomain JOIN django_site ON site_id = > django_site.id; > A while ago I have done a bit of database programming, however here I am lost, please help, where should I place this query to get a result? Thanks. Flo

5 days, 10 hours

[MM3-users] Re: Upgrade path

by David Krantz

Hi. Getting back to this... Some log of what I'm doing. * First git fetch; git pull on all parts. Started new envs to simplify rollback etc. * activate the new 3.5 venv. ( I run the commands one at a time, but this is more compact in text form:) > cd git/mailman; python setup.py build; python setup.py install > cd ../mailman-hyperkitty; python setup.py build; python setup.py install > deactivate activate 2.7 venv, then > cd ../mailmanclient; python setup.py build; python setup.py install > cd ../django-mailman3; python setup.py build; python setup.py install > cd ../postorius; python setup.py build; python setup.py install > cd ../hyperkitty; python setup.py build; python setup.py install So far no errors. Just warnings. Backups: * deployment directory (as user with rw in directory) > tar -cvzf backup.tgz deployment_directory * postgres databases (as user with postgres-priv) > pg_dump maiman | gzip -9 > mailman.bak.gz > pg_dump mailmanweb | gzip -9 > mailmanweb.bak.gz Create new .wsgi-file based on mailman-suite (I used the kludge in the script to get the python path correct) Change apache2.conf to point to new venv and new wsgi-version Updated the mailman3wrapper.sh I use for init to start the service. I could not get hyperkitty interface to run so I deactivated it and set mailman as index instead. It complains that a column is missing, but I cannot get the migrate script to run so I decided that I do not need the archiver as I currently don't use it. So I will have to get back to this and either remove the archiver completely or get it to run. So the line with ^$ in urls.py now is url(r'^$', RedirectView.as_view(url=reverse_lazy('list_index'))), instead, and the line "hyperkitty," is commented in the django application list. cheers. // David On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 6:48 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 08/08/2017 04:42 AM, David Krantz wrote: >> >> What is the rekommended way to upgrade to the newest version? (newest >> _usable_ version, of course)? Is it docker-only with a migration from >> the current solution to a docker based? If so, any ideas or pointers >> on how to go about this? > > > You may find this wiki article helpful <https://wiki.list.org/x/17891998>. > > I started with bundler on both this (lists.mailman3.org) and the > mail.python.org installs, but have been updating from the heads of the > various gitlab branches since very early on. > > At the moment, these installations are somewhat ahead of the 3.1 > release, but I am not updating as the latest core has dropped Python 3.4 > support, and I haven't yet installed Python 3.5 or 3.6 on these (Ubuntu > 14.04) servers. (I will probably install 3.6 from source at some point.) > > Please feel free to ask here if you have more specific questions. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

8 years

[MM3-users] Re: Sad news - Brian Carpenter

by Mark Dadgar

On May 12, 2021, at 12:45 PM, smorytko(a)gmail.com wrote: > https://www.tributearchive.com/obituaries/21066847/Brian-Keith-Carpenter/wa… > > I mentioned some "unfortunate circumstances" in a recent post. An inquiry from Mark Sapiro prompted me to do a search and I sadly found this. > > Brian's company managed our list and on 4/22 we became aware that he was hospitalized with Covid. > > Rest in peace Brian. That’s awful. Brian was a great help to me in setting up a solid MM3 installation after my mess of a self-install and he’s been a constant source of assistance on this list. RIP Brian. 😞 - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Held messages not delivered after approval

by Krinetzki, Stephan

Hi Mark, >That's a misleading message. It's been improved by https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1362, however usually the underlying issue is inability to access a header or footer template when decorating the message. This in turn is most likely >caused by some template(s) in Mailman's var/templates/ directory being owned by `root` or some other non-mailman user and not readable by the Mailman user which in turn most likely results from running `mailman import21` as root. You are my hero! After "patching" the outgoing.py file with the error messages I got Aug 06 09:52:51 2025 (443278) Cannot connect to SMTP server 127.0.0.1 on port 25: HTTPSConnectionPool(host='lists.example.com', port=443): Max retries exceeded with url: /postorius/api/templates/list/hpc-admintreffen-info.lists.example.com/list:member:regular:footer (Caused by SSLError(SSLCertVerificationError(1, '[SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed: unable to get local issuer certificate (_ssl.c:1006)'))) And was shocked. Why is there an SSL Certificate Error? Why can't python requests verify the certificate? So I googled a bit and found, that we can fix this be editing the cacert.pem of certifi. I did, but the error was still there. So I checked my https VHost (Apache btw) and there was a wrong chain in it. Oof. An error, that a browser does not see, but any ssl client. I fixed it and boom - everything works again. Thank you again and thank you Stephen for trying to resolve the problem 😊 -- Stephan Krinetzki IT Center Gruppe: Anwendungsbetrieb und Cloud Abteilung: Systeme und Betrieb RWTH Aachen University Seffenter Weg 23 52074 Aachen Tel: +49 241 80-24866 Fax: +49 241 80-22134 krinetzki(a)itc.rwth-aachen.de www.itc.rwth-aachen.de Social Media Kanäle des IT Centers: https://blog.rwth-aachen.de/itc/ https://www.facebook.com/itcenterrwth https://www.linkedin.com/company/itcenterrwth https://twitter.com/ITCenterRWTH https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKKDJJukeRwO0LP-ac8x8rQ -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2025 6:19 PM To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Held messages not delivered after approval On 8/5/25 02:06, Krinetzki, Stephan wrote: > Aug 05 10:21:05 2025 (217986) Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost > on port 25 > > The last error is a very often in the mailman.log: That's a misleading message. It's been improved by https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1362, however usually the underlying issue is inability to access a header or footer template when decorating the message. This in turn is most likely caused by some template(s) in Mailman's var/templates/ directory being owned by `root` or some other non-mailman user and not readable by the Mailman user which in turn most likely results from running `mailman import21` as root. Bottom line - check that all sub-directories and files in Mailman's var/templates/ directory are searchable and readable by the Mailman user. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… This message sent to krinetzki(a)itc.rwth-aachen.de

2 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: "Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25"

by Manos Pitsidianakis

Thank you again for your reply, Mark. Στις 2019-09-18 21:53, Mark Sapiro έγραψε: > What are these entries? I have these log entries, are these what you were referring to? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/37d863f6/ > > The "Cannot connect to SMTP server" log message should not occur > immediately on startup unless there are queued messages. That log > message should only occur on an attempt to actually send a message. I think the problematic e-mails that cause this issue are stuck on the outgoing queue. Right now there are 2 pck files and one .bak in var/queue/out changing filenames repeatedly.

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: Mysterious Bounces Being Logged

by Brian Carpenter

On 3/26/21 2:59 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > They are being bounced by a downstream MTA. If you want to know why, you > have a few choices. You can mail the address yourself and hopefully get > a DSN back. You can install this patch: I would think any mail administrator for a mailman server would want to know why bounces are happening. I never saw this issue with Mailman 2. Did it exist? Is the patch going to make it to the next version of Mailman 3 core? Are there any plans to make bounce processing more transparent to server admins so we can troubleshoot delivery issues? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Language confusion in held mail notifications

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 9/22/21 2:16 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: > > After sending a mail to the list as the moderated list user, the > > resulting notification returned to the users email address is > > mostly in German, but the reason indicated is in Spanish "El > > mensaje proviene de un miembro moderado". > > > I am unable to duplicate this in Mailman 3.3.5rc1. Is it possible that one of the message catalogs is incomplete, and something in the environment (LANGUAGE seems like a likely candidate) is set to a value that uses German when Spanish is unavailable or vice-versa? Steve

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman web Stopped working after upgrade

by David Krantz

But now that it is working the order of the mailing lists on the index page are in random order again. When it worked initially they seemed sorted by name. Whey I follow the link "see all lists" the order is correct, though. Annoying. BR // David On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 10:26 PM David Krantz <gazorg(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > I tried psycopg2-binary and a few other rehashes of that. Now I got it > working by downloading the source for psycopg2 manually and building > it myself, then I installed it into my venv like any other self-built > package. https://pypi.org/project/psycopg2/#files > > I run mod_wsgi in Apache so I thought it should be enough to restart > Apache. I am quite convinced that I did that (and for that matter > restart the machine at a few points). But I might have been sloppy and > reversed the order in the end when I got it running, this process is a > bit to manual. I will use another solution when I rebuild the server > one day. The problem with rebuilding the server is that I'd have to > install a MTA with all its modules, milters, setups and what not, and > mailman. To just reinstall on a fresh machine would be easy, the trick > is that I want to rebuild some things in a better way which will take > me some time. E.g. using a separate wsgi service and a more modern > spam filter than Spamassassin. Otherwise it is easy. But my situation > now is a bit short on time so if I can postpone that a bit I will. > > Thanks. > // David > > // David > > On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 10:02 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > > On 3/3/20 12:33 PM, David Krantz wrote: > > > > > > I think that this might be due to some kind of python misfeature where > > > compiled code behaves slightly differently to interpreted code, that > > > might explain the delay in it working initially before breaking. I > > > have no idea of how to solve this. I have tried to uninstall and > > > reinstlall psycopg2 in different versions without any luck. > > > > You need to activate your virtualenv and do > > > > pip install psycopg2-binary > > > > it must be psycopg2-binary, not just psycopg2. It's probably best to do > > > > pip uninstall psycopg2 > > > > first. > > > > As far as it working for a while, did you restart your wsgi service > > (gunicorn, uwsgi, ??) after upgrading? > > > > -- > > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Pck files stuck in out queue

by Lieuallen, Thomas Otis

I ended up emailing the list. That email got stuck as well. So, I removed their template – and the message went through. So, that appears to have been the problem. But, not sure why. Thank you Tom Lieuallen From: Lieuallen, Thomas Otis via Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Date: Thursday, February 6, 2025 at 3:25 PM To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Pck files stuck in out queue [This email originated from outside of OSU. Use caution with links and attachments.] Mark, There were no apparent permissions problems on templates. I was getting the ‘Cannot connect to SMTP server’ message in mailman.log. I did end up applying the patch to decorate.py and messages went through. I’ve since removed the patch, as I’m still looking for an answer and might as well let it queue up again. The only thing that is making me ponder at the moment is that the list owners setup a template for list:member:regular:footer in postorius. It appears that each list has a copy of that file. The modifications I see in postorius are not in their …/templates/list/<listname>/en/list:member:regular:footer.txt file. Are their modifications stored somewhere else and causing the problem? Thx Tom Lieuallen From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Date: Thursday, February 6, 2025 at 2:22 PM To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Pck files stuck in out queue [This email originated from outside of OSU. Use caution with links and attachments.] On 2/6/25 12:42, Lieuallen, Thomas Otis via Mailman-users wrote: > Running Mailman 3.3.10 > > I have 11x pck files stuck in my out queue. There tends to always be a .bak file as well. If I run ‘ls -l’, the files are continually updated and rotated through, just as fast as I can look. Are old ones being delivered and new ones added or the same ones just being renamed? I suspect the latter and I suspect the issue in that case is probably due to the OUT runner trying to access a template file like list:member:{regular|generic}:{header|footer}.txt and not having permission. See the last two posts in the thread at https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…><https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…> > I believe they’re all for one list. When I use ‘strings’ on one to get a hint of what’s inside, I see the list members at the bottom (recipients). One of them consistently has ‘!’ before their email address. Not sure if that’s a clue. Just no other reason to suspect that, though. The files are python pickles and `strings` shows lots of stuff. The ! may be something in the pickle that's not part of the email address. The way to examine these files is with the `mailman qfile` command. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…><https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/> Archived at: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…><https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> This message sent to lieualth(a)oregonstate.edu _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…<https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/> Archived at: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…<https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> This message sent to lieualth(a)oregonstate.edu

8 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: LTMP to Postfix problem

by Brian Carpenter

On 6/18/20 5:16 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > When this happens is the LMTP runner still running or has it died?. Is > there anything relevant in mailman.log regarding lmtp runner? The log entry posted today was: Jun 18 15:07:32 2020 (29862) lmtp runner started. That was when I restarted Mailman core. If it happens again, I will see if the lmtp runner is running. My feeling is it died but I don't know for sure. -- Please let me know if you need further assistance. Thank you for your business. We appreciate our clients. Brian Carpenter EMWD.com -- EMWD's Knowledgebase: https://clientarea.emwd.com/index.php/knowledgebase EMWD's Community Forums http://discourse.emwd.com/

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Data too long for column 'data' in workflowstate

by Morris Jones

On 12/14/2020 10:22 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > This is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/793> fixed by > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/730> > > You may be able to apply the fix from the merge request, but that > depends on your install's latest Alembic Revision ID being 9735f5e5dbdb. > > Alternatively, I think it may be sufficient to just > > ALTER TABLE workflowstate MODIFY `data` VARCHAR(510); > Thanks! I've done that 'til the next update. Mojo -- Morris Jones, Monrovia, CA BridgeMojo <http://bridgemojo.com> Old Town Sidewalk Astronomers <http://otastro.org> Mojo's Blog <http://mojo.whiteoaks.com>

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users]Re: mailman 2 vs. mailman 3: what happened to multipart/digest?

by Barry Warsaw

On May 12, 2016, at 12:18 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >It is the intent that Postorius will eventually expose all these >settings. We're not there yet. At present you could possibly do this by >interacting with mailmanclient, although I'm not certain the settings are >exposed there. I'm not sure if they're exposed in mailmanclient, but they are exposed in the core's REST API, on the member resource. It's the `delivery_mode` attribute and it takes as legal values one of 'regular', 'plaintext_digests', 'mime_digests', and 'summary_digests' (IOW, the enum item names for the DeliveryMode enum). Cheers, -Barry

9 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Rejection Reason for refusing a subscription request

by Brian Carpenter

On 3/27/21 6:03 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > It's in Postorius since 1.3.3. If in the held message view, you click > the subject of a held message, you get a popup dialog the shows the > message with options to also show headers or the raw message. There is > also a dropdown t=o set the poster's moderation action and a box for a > reject reason if you click the reject button in the dialog. > > Do you not see this? I am referring to "Subscriptions pending approval". I apologize if I did not make that clear. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: lists.mailman3.org web site.

by Barry Warsaw

On Aug 30, 2016, at 10:13 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >I don't see much point in adding a large number as it would just create >clutter without much benefit, but other than not wanting to add OpenID/Yahoo >at least until we get DMARC mitigations, if anyone has a strong interest in >one of the others, I can add it. I think we have a good default list. GitHub and GitLab for the nerds, Facebook and Google for the humans. :) *Possibly* Bitbucket would be a good addition but I think we can use bug-driven development here. If enough people request an alternate, supported provider, we can add it then. Cheers, -Barry

9 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty base_url

by Thomas Stein

On Friday, 4 January 2019 21:27:41 CET Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 1/4/19 12:07 PM, Thomas Stein wrote: > > Hi all. > > > > Now I'm struggeling with configuring hyperkitty. It's not clear to me which base_url to set. Currently it's > > base_url: http://localhost:8001/hyperkitty/ but that leads to > > That's wrong. base_url is set to the URL used to access Hyperkitty > externally. It is used for things like the Archived-At: and > List-Archive: headers in distributed posts. For example, for this > installation it is It's working with base_url: http://localhost:8000/hyperkitty/. Is that ok? thanks and cheers t. > base_url: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives > >

6 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: export/import list?

by Mark

On 2024-03-01 10:56, Peter Adebahr via Mailman-users wrote: > On 3/1/24 00:11, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> On 2/29/24 14:44, imark(a)posteo.net wrote: >>> This appears to be practical for exporting/importing ALL the lists >>> from one MM3 server to another MM3 server. >>> >>> Is there a similar straightforward way of exporting/importing just >>> ONE list? >> > > Why not export ALL list as indicated, then delete all unwanted lists > on source resp. destination server ... > > That's definitely Plan B. And thank you Mark for the pointer to the Gitlab thread. Greater minds have clearly been giving this some thought for a while. Cheers.

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Heads up: settings.ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD is deprecated

by Andreas Vetter

On Freitag, 7. Februar 2025 18:40:32 CET Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/7/25 03:19, Andreas Vetter wrote: > > Changing ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD to ACCOUNT_LOGIN_METHODS in > > /etc/mailman3/settings.py is not enough. One has to edit > > venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman_web/settings/mailman.py > > You can do this in /etc/mailman3/settings.py only without editing > venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman_web/settings/mailman.py by adding > ``` > del ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD > ACCOUNT_LOGIN_METHODS = {'email', 'username'} That is unfortunately not enough to get rid of the Warning, because venv/lib/ python3.11/site-packages/mailman_web/settings/mailman.py contains the old ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD and allauth is complains about it. -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen, Andreas Vetter

8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Auth question

by David Krantz

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 1:09 AM, David Krantz <david(a)krantz.dk> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:01 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > Very good! Thank you very much, I got a bit further. > > The database contained a couple of test lists that I can recreate, so > nothing of value. The strange thing was that drop database followed by > create database did not yield an empty database in Postgres. I > probably forgot a commit somewhere. > Never mind, now I got it to work. Some kind of intermittent server error (500) left but I guess that's solvable too. Thanks for all your help on this list! cheers // David

8 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: FYI: Django security releases issued: 4.0.6 and 3.2.14

by David Newman

On 7/7/22 10:25 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I just upgraded from Django 3.2.11 to 3.2.14 on mail.python.org and > lists.mailman3.org. How to upgrade mailman-web to align with Django? I upgraded from Django 3.0.14 to 3.1.14 and then 3.2.14 using these docs: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.0/howto/upgrade-version/ But then this upgrade command returned a complaint that mailman-web 0.0.5 requires Django<3.1: pip install -U mailman postorius django-mailman3 hyperkitty mailman-web uwsgi and it downgraded Django back to 3.0.14. I did not see anything about this in the Django for Mailman Admins doc, but I may have missed something. https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/django-primer.html Thanks. dn

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: A little stuck with installation of MM3 - ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'flufl.lock'

by Odhiambo Washington

On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 at 06:50, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 7/27/20 4:29 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 02:49, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> > >> Is there an empty /opt/mailman/mm/__init__.py file? > >> > > > > No. > > > There has to be one. Create it and then Django will be able to import > your settings. > > See the first line after > > Create directories: > ... > and files: > > at > <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience#line-69 > > > I don't know why I didn't see that initially :-) > > Yes. However, that also means the /opt/mailman should be owned by > mailman3, > > right? So I wasn't quite mistaken. > > > It doesn't matter what user actually `owns` this directory and its > subordinates as long as the Mailman user, mailman3 in your case, can > read and write there. Of course, making everything owned by the Mailman > user is the easiest way to ensure this. > True. > > Note also that any commands in /opt/mailman/mm/bin need to be run as the > Mailman user and not root. Running them as root can create things owned > by root the can't be read by the Mailman user. > So, now I remember why I had to chown -R mailman3 /opt/mailman Then now it seems like I have been doing things incorrectly, because I have been doing a lot of operations as root by simply: cd /opt/mailman/mm virtualenv venv source venv/bin/activate Looks like the correct way is to start with su - mailman3 > > PS: There is the issue with qcluster, which doesn't seem to have been > > documented in details from your "experience". > > I see the configuration file and the init script, but not how to install > > it, or whether the procedure already installed it. > > > qcluster is part of Django. If you have this > > # > # Asynchronous tasks > # > Q_CLUSTER = { > 'timeout': 300, > 'save_limit': 100, > 'orm': 'default', > } > > or similar uncommented in your Django settings, and also 'django_q' in > your INSTALLED_APPS, it's there and all you need to do is run > > /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin qcluster > > to run it, but it should be run as a service via init or ?? > I have run it from supervisord. It has forked 30 processes and refuses to kill them when I stop supervisord. I will look for options around it. Answering my own question I asked earlier, I have found "django-admin help --commands" to answer it. PS: Did you by any chance find time to look into the issue about wsgi.py that you had mentioned - the one that has me stuck using it?? Thanks again. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-)

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Enable delivery

by Hirayama, Pat

No, I was obfuscating the addresses of the user and listname. And it was the trailing dot/period that was the problem. Sorry about that -- copy/pasting from the emailed report rather than typing the address myself. Now that I have the commands and order, I will look closer at some of those lists when additional reports come in. Thank you! -p > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2024 1:41 PM > To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Enable delivery > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click > links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the > content is safe. > > > On 12/10/24 10:43, Hirayama, Pat wrote: > > Apologies, I should've said my "Mailman 3" server, not listserv. > > > > MTA logs do not show messages being sent to the member(s) in question, > even though other members are being sent messages. Nothing out of the > mailman server, and nothing received by our outbound Postfix MTAs. > > > > As for the CLI commands, I keep getting Attribute Error when I try them, like: > > > > /opt/mailman # mailman shell -l listname(a)mailman.tld > > Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell > > Use commit() to commit changes. > > Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. > > Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. > > The variable 'm' is the listname(a)mailman.tld mailing list > >>>> from mailman.core.constants import system_preferences > >>>> mbr = m.members.get_member('user(a)domain.com.') > >>>> print(mbr.delivery_status) > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "<console>", line 1, in <module> > > AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'delivery_status' > > > Are you literally typing > > mbr = m.members.get_member('user(a)domain.com.') > > That needs to be an actual list member's email without a trailing > period. The fact that mbr is None means whatever you provided is not a > member of the listname(a)mailman.tld list. > > Curious that the member(s) in question are not amongst the recipients > delivered to the MTA even though > > >> when I run: > >> > >> mailman members --nomail any listname@listserv > >> > >> Nothing is returned. > > This should only happen if the members are digest members (are they) or > are directly addressed in To: or Cc: of the post. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mail > man- > users.mailman3.org/__;!!GuAItXPztq0!kBv3nt9E96ao_7FvkLnOsm_R9OWol1 > U4Lk0bnfCxTPiRuYdCv4jHRpx11tT3vx2cyFNW8ByfZlsvtwg$ > Archived at: > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailma > n- > users(a)mailman3.org/message/ET7NTZVDLCY6RBXHUIYRVTYQQX6SQ3KI/__; > !!GuAItXPztq0!kBv3nt9E96ao_7FvkLnOsm_R9OWol1U4Lk0bnfCxTPiRuYdCv4 > jHRpx11tT3vx2cyFNW8ByfwPhcXNc$ > > This message sent to phirayam(a)fredhutch.org

10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Subscription request cannot be moderated: 404 Not Found

by Eric Broens

Hi Mark, Unfortunately the provided options didn't work out either: Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. The variable 'm' is the ************* mailing list >>> ISubscriptionManager(m).confirm('4d6b4b11266c7332684c5a492eb3f92c531f761b') Traceback (most recent call last): File "<console>", line 1, in <module> File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 578, in confirm workflow.restore() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 142, in restore raise LookupError(self.token) LookupError: 4d6b4b11266c7332684c5a492eb3f92c531f761b I noticed that the mail address was also listed as a non-member. After deleting it there, I could not accept the subscription either. Next, I have rejected the subscription and added it using the mass subscription option in the WebUI. I'll monitor if such cases will happen again. Thanks,Eric On Saturday, January 16, 2021, 06:05:19 PM GMT+1, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: On 1/16/21 7:49 AM, Eric Broens via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi Mark, > I can't find any log entry which indicate a problem with this subscription request. > The _request table does not contain a request for the specific mailinglist, but I am not sure if subscription requests are included in this table. It is unclear and confusing, but the requests are not in the _request table. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/768#note_415536043>. So this is normal. > The token is found in the pended table: > > +-----+------------------------------------------+---------------------+ > | id | token | expiration_date | > +-----+------------------------------------------+---------------------+ > | 115 | 4d6b4b11266c7332684c5a492eb3f92c531f761b | 2031-01-04 16:17:38 | > +-----+------------------------------------------+---------------------+ > > These are the relevant entries in the pendedkeyvalue table: > +------+--------------+-------------------------------------+-----------+ > | id | key | value | pended_id | > +------+--------------+-------------------------------------+-----------+ > | 1130 | type | subscription | 115 | > | 1131 | list_id | "********************" | 115 | > | 1132 | email | "***********************@*********" | 115 | > | 1133 | display_name | "" | 115 | > | 1134 | when | "2021-01-06T16:17:38" | 115 | > | 1135 | token_owner | "moderator" | 115 | > +------+--------------+-------------------------------------+-----------+ > > Can I workaround this problem for this specific subscriber by adding entries in the _request table, and if so what do I need to add? Adding to the _request table won't help. Try confirming by emailing listname-confirm+4d6b4b11266c7332684c5a492eb3f92c531f761b(a)list.domain You could also try confirming via mailman shell mailman shell -l list.example.com Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. The variable 'm' is the list.example.com mailing list >>> ISubscriptionManager(m).confirm('4d6b4b11266c7332684c5a492eb3f92c531f761b') Traceback (most recent call last): File "<console>", line 1, in <module> File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman-3.3.3b1-py3.7.egg/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 570, in confirm raise LookupError LookupError In my case, I get the LookupError because the token doesn't exist, but I think it should work for you. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cross-List and Domain based sender whitelisting ( accept_these_nonmembers )

by Johannes Rohr

Am 10.01.23 um 00:53 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > I recognize it's a significant regression for some, but we are a > small, all volunteer project and can't do everything. A well crafted > merge request would certainly be accepted. You are doing incredibly valuable work, and I sincerely apologize for being a total layman who just whines and doesn't have the skills to contribute any code! I could only explore options for organising a bounty on this. But I have no idea what amount of funding would be required realistically, or I could start nagging other Mailman users who have python skills. Cheers, Johannes

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: lmtp runner not starting

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

El 1/4/23 a las 21:38, Mark Sapiro escribió: > On 4/1/23 12:22, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: >> >> El 1/4/23 a las 21:14, Mark Sapiro escribió: >>> >>> If you had completely stopped Mailman core and then started it, lmtp >>> runner should have started. What are the complete log messages from >>> mailman.log following the start? >>> >> I sent them before > > > And there is no `lmtp runner started` message in the log, so it isn't > being started at all. > > >>> What does `mailman conf -s runner.lmtp` show? >>> >> Here it is: >> >> root@www:/usr/local/mailman3 # /usr/bin/su -m mailman3 -c >> "/usr/local/bin/mailman -C /usr/local/mailman3/var/etc/mailman.cfg >> conf -s runner.lmtp" >> [runner.lmtp] class: mailman.runners.lmtp.LMTPRunner >> [runner.lmtp] instances: 1 >> [runner.lmtp] max_restarts: 10 >> [runner.lmtp] path: >> [runner.lmtp] sleep_time: 1s >> [runner.lmtp] start: yes > > > This says the runner should be started. That is the command that > starts Mailman? is it Yes, indeed. > > /usr/bin/su -m mailman3 -c "/usr/local/bin/mailman -C > /usr/local/mailman3/var/etc/mailman.cfg start" > > or is it something that perhaps uses a different config. > > What happens if you do > > /usr/bin/su -m mailman3 -c "/usr/local/bin/runner -C > /usr/local/mailman3/var/etc/mailman.cfg -v -r lmtp" > I get the same error as before: root@www:/usr/local/mailman3 # /usr/bin/su -m mailman3 -c "/usr/local/bin/runner -C /usr/local/mailman3/var/etc/mailman.cfg -v -r lmtp" Apr 01 21:40:36 2023 (12396) Using selector: KqueueSelector Apr 01 21:40:36 2023 (12396) Using selector: KqueueSelector Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/runner", line 33, in <module> sys.exit(load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.8', 'console_scripts', 'runner')()) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1128, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1053, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1395, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 754, in invoke return __callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 26, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/bin/runner.py", line 184, in main runner = make_runner(*runner_spec, once=once) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/bin/runner.py", line 70, in make_runner return runner_class(name, slice) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/runners/lmtp.py", line 295, in __init__ self.lmtp = LMTPController(LMTPHandler(), hostname=hostname, port=port) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiosmtpd/controller.py", line 417, in __init__ self._localhost = get_localhost() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiosmtpd/controller.py", line 66, in get_localhost with makesock(AF_INET6, SOCK_STREAM) as sock: File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/socket.py", line 232, in __init__ _socket.socket.__init__(self, family, type, proto, fileno) OSError: [Errno 43] Protocol not supported -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Time Zone Issue in Postorius

by David Newman

On 2/4/22 10:29 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> My Postorius account time zone is set to "US/Pacific". > > > The appropriate setting for Django is always `TIME_ZONE = 'UTC'`because > the time passed from Mailman core is a naive datetime.datetime object > and is actually UTC. Could use clarification on this. Are you referring to the settings.py file, or something else? Asking because my settings.py currently has: # Django time zones USE_TZ = True TIME_ZONE = 'America/Los_Angeles' and list timestamps appear to work OK both in Hyperkitty and as received by members' mail clients. This is with postorius 1.3.6 and Django 3.0.14. Is this setting incorrect? Thanks dn

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: File "/usr/lib/python2.7/httplib.py", line 1148, in getresponse raise ResponseNotReady()

by Alex Schuilenburg

On Wed, 2020-10-07 at 06:03 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I don't know why the patch didn't work. It should have produced > warning > > level messages in the Django log as configured in > settings(_local).py. The patch did not give the warnings in the exception, because it was the wrong exception. The exception was not being caught. I just modified the warning to log email addresses before looking up their id (where the exception occurred), moving it up 3 lines or so, on the basis the last email shown would be the faulty one. And it was -- Alex

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: Question about adding addresses using the REST API

by Stephen Daniel

TL;DR: Listening to the advice, I will create and manage user/address pairs. I am in the process of porting a web site that is used to manage a small organization. The web site maintains a directory of users of that organization, and also allows them to subscribe/unsubscribe to a small set of interest-group mailing lists for that organization. The users are not tech savvy, and are not expecting or expected to manage their subscriptions through Postorius, nor do they have access (normally) to the archives. Indeed, the URL to Postorious will normally be turned off at the reverse proxy server that sits in front of both Postorious and the organization's website. The one-source-of-truth is the website's database. The website code has callouts for "subscribe <address> to <list>" and "unsubscribe <address> from <list>". I am trying to minimize the amount of code I write to implement the web site's callouts, to initialize the mailing lists when I port the organization to this new implementation, and make it relatively easy to keep the website's database and mailman3's database in sync. The impression I had from the docs was that unlinked addresses were a first class object. Since my website callouts only deal with addresses, this seemed a good mapping. However, I understand from this email thread that unlinked addresses are not the way to go, so I'll map <address> in the website database to <user>/<address> in mailman3. Thanks for the advice and feedback! -- Stephen Daniel On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 2:27 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 1/15/22 10:03 AM, Stephen Daniel wrote: > > > > The only way I've found to create a standalone address (not linked to any > > user) is to create a user with that address, unlink the address, then > > delete the user. > > > > Is there a more straightforward way to just create an address with no > user? > > > The more straightforward way is via the IUserManager create_address > method. This method is not exposed directly in REST, so you can't do it > via REST. > > My question is why do you want to? > > Granted when an unknown nonmember address posts to a list we create a > standalone address record, but maybe we should be creating a user too. > We don't because it's tricky. Suppose User A with address A posts to a > list from nonmember address B. We create the standalone address B record > as a nonmember, but now user A can add address B as another address. If > we also created User B, this would not be possible. > > But again, what is your use case for creating standalone addresses? > > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Example Logrotate files for Mailman3

by Andrew Hodgson

Mark Sapiro wrote: >On 6/30/20 2:10 PM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: >> Does anyone have any usable Logrotate files for Mailman3 (especially for the web stuff)? >Here are two. They differ in the name and location of the Django log. >Both of them signal gunicorn to reopen its logs. If you are using uWSGI or some other WSGI support, you'll need to figure that out. Thanks for this the first one with minor mods works a treat. I may update it in the future to keep old logs around but not that bothered at the moment. The access.log from the web components had got to over 200MB in a few weeks. Andrew.

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Weird hourly indexing error

by Mark Dadgar

On May 13, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > Mark Dadgar wrote: > >> BTW, Digital Ocean is pretty awesome. If anyone wants to try it, ping me for a referral >> code good for $100 in credit to play with. > > > DigitalOcean also hosts the server that supports all the @python.org > email including hundreds of Mailman 2 and 3 lists. You can also get a > credit with DigitalOcean by following the link at the bottom of > <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/>. Yes! Use the Python.org <http://python.org/> link instead. That’s better use of the referral credit! - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Errors while importing mm2 list archives

by Odhiambo Washington

On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 3:52 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/17/22 23:22, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > I have dropped the DB, recreated, ... > > When you created the DB did you specify `CHARACTER SET utf8mb4`, e.g. > > CREATE DATABASE mailmansuite CHARACTER SET utf8mb4 > Yes. That is what I do at the minimum for my databases unless specific instructions exist against it. So it seems like I have done everything that is commonly expected, but the import still fails on several messages. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Archives with encoding characters

by Seth Seeger

> On Mar 4, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > The cause is a quoted-printable encoded message body not being decoded. > This may or may not be a Mailman bug, but if as Mark Dadgar suggests, it > only happens with some MUAs, the issue might be in the MUA. To > understand more we'd need to see the actual raw digest message from the > list, or maybe just a raw incoming message that winds up like that in > the digest. How do I find the raw digest message? Do you mean asking the member to View Raw Message, and then copy and paste that to me? Seth

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Wrong info in moderation mail when held due to match of a header rule

by Torge Riedel

Am 17.10.20 um 20:31 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > Please do file a bug. It won't be fixed until after the upcoming 3.3.2 > final release because we not making i18n changes between the candidate > and final releases. Also, if you don't like my suggestion, feel free to > suggest something else. Hi Mark, thanks for your answer. Filed as https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/785 I also added a suggestion similar to the ones you did. And also the idea of a comment field for each rule to give additional information to the moderator. Kind regards Torge

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3-web language preference and translation settings

by Nils

Thanks for your help, Mark. I've already tried that and it gave me this message: # sudo -u www-data python3 /usr/bin/django-admin compilemessages --pythonpath /usr/share/mailman3-web --settings settings CommandError: This script should be run from the Django Git checkout or your project or app tree, or with the settings module specified. I'm working on ubuntu and I don't have (venv)$ The other commands (migrate, collectstatic and compress) worked fine. Kind regards On 12/6/23 22:04, Mark Sapiro wrote: > You need to run the Django admin command `compilemessages` and perhaps > others. See > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#run-database-mi… > and the following three sections. >

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 error on moderation request

by Odhiambo Washington

On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 7:00 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 10/10/24 2:39 AM, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > > > > How to fix? > > > Add 'django.contrib.humanize' to INSTALLED_APPS in your dgango settings. > > See the 1.3.12 section at > https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/blob/master/README.rst and > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-web/-/merge_requests/50 That fixed it. Thank you. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Weird hourly indexing error

by Mark Dadgar

On May 5, 2020, at 10:33 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 5/5/20 9:33 AM, Mark Dadgar wrote: >> >> Thanks. I guess I wait for them to roll the fix in and the ubuntu maintainers to pick it up. > > > You don't want to wait because I think currently your search index is > not being updated due to the exception. I think you should just apply > the patch at > https://patch-diff.githubusercontent.com/raw/notanumber/xapian-haystack/pul…>. > I installed it in a test instance and it seems fine. Good point. I just installed it. We will see. Thank you. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Emergency Moderation

by Brian Carpenter

On 5/21/20 6:30 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 5/21/20 3:23 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> Is there an Emergency Moderation function (similar to the one that Mailman 2 had) with Mailman 3 core/Postorius? > > It's in core and it's just recently been exposed in REST > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/643 but it's not in > Postorius yet. > Can I add this through a mailman core update via pip? Thank you for the information. It is very helpful. -- Please let me know if you need further assistance. Thank you for your business. We appreciate our clients. Brian Carpenter EMWD.com -- EMWD's Knowledgebase: https://clientarea.emwd.com/index.php/knowledgebase EMWD's Community Forums http://discourse.emwd.com/

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Weird hourly indexing error

by Mark Dadgar

On Jun 9, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >> ./mm3-admin: line 6: 702058 Killed django-admin $@ >> >> Now what? > > > Run it as user `list`. Same. root@mail:/usr/local/bin# sudo -u list ./mm3-admin shell Python 3.8.2 (default, Apr 27 2020, 15:53:34) [GCC 9.3.0] on linux Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. (InteractiveConsole) >>> from hyperkitty.models import Email >>> emails = Email.objects.all() >>> for email in emails: ... if email.content.find('\u200b'*5) >= 0: ... print('Found in ml {}, hash {}'.format( ... email.mailinglist.name, ... email.message_id_hash)) ... ./mm3-admin: line 6: 704575 Killed django-admin $@ - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 auto-disabling of subscriptions

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > Your issue is mail From: the gmail.com domain to the list and sent > to gmail users is being bounced because it fails DMARC. I.e. Gmail > applies a DMARC policy of p=reject to mail From: gmail.com even > though it's published DMARC policy is p=none. Gmail's DSN is so badly worded it's not clear to me *what* it's supposed to mean. I wonder if enabling ARC might not help with getting things through to Gmail. Google was very supportive of the ARC effort. > You need to apply DMARC mitigations to this mail. I agree this is the most straightforward approach. Steve

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman 3 Keeps Forgettings Imported Lists

by Ryan McClung

Scratch that. Ran with the corrected script and getting the following: [root@mailman3(stg) archives]# mailman lists No matching mailing lists found Any thoughts? On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 9:35 AM Ryan McClung <rmcclung(a)afilias.info> wrote: > Hey there, > > Im going to breakdown my response into sections: > > 1) Yes, there is only one install of mailman on the box. > > 2) I created the list using the script below > > 3) My method of importing it is by copying the lists to > /opt/mailman/old/lists and running these commands (within lists) > > MYDIR="/opt/mailman/old/lists" > DIRS=`ls -l $MYDIR | egrep '^d' | awk '{print $9}'` > for DIR in $DIRS; do mailman import21 "${DIR}"@afilias.info > "${DIR}"/config.pck; done > > However, if you look at the above you can see where I am going wrong. What > it should actually be doing is: > > > MYDIR="/opt/mailman/old/lists" > DIRS=`ls -l $MYDIR | egrep '^d' | awk '{print $9}'` > for DIR in $DIRS; do mailman create "${DIR}"; mailman import21 "${DIR}"@ > afilias.info "${DIR}"/config.pck; done > > Sorry for wasting your time on this one. Coffee is on me. > > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 6:05 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> On 07/30/2018 07:37 AM, Ryan McClung wrote: >> > GNU Mailman 3.2.0 (La Villa Strangiato) >> > Python 3.6.5 (default, Apr 10 2018, 17:08:37) >> > [GCC 4.8.5 20150623 (Red Hat 4.8.5-16)] >> > config file: /opt/mailman/var/etc/mailman.cfg >> > db url: sqlite:////opt/mailman/var/data/mailman.db >> > devmode: DISABLED >> > REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ >> > >> > Shortly after I run an import on a bunch of lists they all disappear. >> > [root@mailman3(stg) mailman]# mailman lists >> > No matching mailing lists found >> > >> > I have 30+ lists. >> >> >> Does the 'mailman lists' command invoke the identical 'mailman' file as >> the 'mailman import21' command that did the imports. And how did you >> create the lists before importing them? >> >> We have done several imports of 2.1 lists to >> <https://mail.python.org/mm3/mailman3/> and have never seen an issue >> like this. >> >> -- >> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, >> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >> > > > -- > > Ryan McClung > Systems Administrator @ Afilias Canada > A. 204-4141 Yonge Street, Toronto, ON, Canada, M2P 2A8 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=4141+Yonge+Street,+Toronto,+ON,+Canada,+M2P+2A8&…> > W. www.afilias.info > T. +1.416.646.3304 x4186 > -- Ryan McClung Systems Administrator @ Afilias Canada A. 204-4141 Yonge Street, Toronto, ON, Canada, M2P 2A8 <https://maps.google.com/?q=4141+Yonge+Street,+Toronto,+ON,+Canada,+M2P+2A8&…> W. www.afilias.info T. +1.416.646.3304 x4186

7 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Separating Lists by Domain

by Abhilash Raj

On Thu, Jan 3, 2019, at 2:27 PM, brian(a)emwd.com wrote: > So who manages Postorius? Is that a whole separate application from > Mailman 3? Is there a way we can get whoever the developer is to update > it where we can separate lists by domain the way Hyperkitty does? Mark > Sapiro refers to this in the following post: > > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… You can file an issue at https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues > Thanks, > Brian > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

6 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: LMTP on unix socket

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > You would have to modify mailman/runners/lmtp.py to listen on a unix > socket. The docs imply the aiosmtpd.controller.Controller class has a > make_socket() method which "allows subclasses to customize the creation > of the socket before binding" which I suppose could be used to create a > unix socket, but mailman/runners/lmtp.py currently doesn't make use > of that. If someone is thinking about doing this, I suggest comparing the asyncio event loop's create_server method with create_unix_server, which will probably give ueful hints about implementation. BTW, I object to the smtpd package's lmtp_host=UNIX_SOCKET_PATH style of configuration. There should be a separate parameter for this. Steve

5 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman 3 on Fedora - Core only ?

by Lars Bjørndal

On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 12:55:25PM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 6/13/20 2:17 AM, Lars Bjørndal wrote: > > I'm about to set up a new list, and want to try out Mailman3. > > > > The only component available in Fedora, is the Mailman core package. > > > I find that strange as <https://lists.fedoraproject.org/> is Mailman 3 > and the core developer who did most of the HyperKitty development works > or did work for Fedora. I asked on the Fedora developers list, and they told me that it's worked on. They pointed me to <https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/8455> for more info. Thanks Lars

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification

by Onyeibo

On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 09:57:45 -0800 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = 'http://localhost:8001' > MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = 'restadmin' > MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = 'restpass' I've not had any occasion to set these while following the documentation. > > match > > $ mailman info > ... > REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ > REST credentials: restadmin:restpass > > Note the 3.1/ in REST root url is not included in > MAILMAN_REST_API_URL. > > What do you get from, e.g. > > curl -urestadmin:restpass http://localhost:8001/3.1/lists > > It should return JSON with information about your lists. > I get the following: {"start": 0, "total_size": 0, "http_etag": "\"678678567346533573674563786538\""}

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Congrats on the instructions for installation on ubuntu, what about migration?

by Peter Adebahr

On 10/9/24 22:18, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > The easiest scenario is if you want to migrate everything. You just dump > the database on the old server and load it on the new one using the > database manager's tools. > Thank you Mark, this is exactly my task to be in the near future. Loading the old database will overwrite the current version's newer settings: Don't I have to run something like 'mailman3 migrate' to update the database, or is this taken care of automatically by using the alembic version when I just restart mailman3? Best regards, Peter

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Multiple domain problem

by Lars Bjørndal

Hi, Mark, Odhiambo and list! Thanks for your feedback. Here is the web configuration. Thank you for taking your time to investigate. The domain that works: <VirtualHost *:80> AddDefaultCharset UTF-8 ServerAdmin webmaster(a)lamasti.net DocumentRoot /var/www/html ServerName lamasti.net ServerAlias www.lamasti.net ErrorLog logs/lamasti-error_log CustomLog logs/lamasti-access_log common Redirect permanent / https://lamasti.net/ </VirtualHost> <VirtualHost *:443> AddDefaultCharset UTF-8 ServerAdmin webmaster(a)lamasti.net DocumentRoot /var/www/html ServerName lamasti.net ServerAlias www.lamasti.net ErrorLog logs/lamasti-error_log CustomLog logs/lamasti-access_log common Alias /mailman3/static /opt/mailman3/web/static Protocols h2 http/1.1 include conf.d/certref.inc <Directory /opt/mailman3/web/static/hyperkitty/img/> Allow from all Require all granted Options FollowSymLinks </Directory> <Directory /opt/mailman3/web/static/> Options FollowSymLinks Allow from all Require all granted </Directory> <IfModule mod_headers.c> RequestHeader unset X-Forwarded-Proto <If "%{HTTPS} =~ /on/"> RequestHeader set X-Forwarded-Proto "https" </If> </IfModule> <IfModule mod_proxy.c> ProxyPreserveHost On ProxyPass "/mailman3" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/mailman3" ProxyPass "/mailman3/archives" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives" ProxyPass "/mailman3/accounts" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/accounts" ProxyPass "/mailman3/admin" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/admin" ProxyPass "/mailman3/user-profile" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/user-profile" </IfModule> </VirtualHost> The domain that doesn't work: <VirtualHost *:80> ServerAdmin webmaster(a)list.punktskriftutvalget.no DocumentRoot /var/www/list.punktskriftutvalget/ ServerName list.punktskriftutvalget.no ErrorLog logs/list.punktskriftutvalget-error_log CustomLog logs/list.punktskriftutvalget-access_log common Redirect permanent / https://list.punktskriftutvalget.no </VirtualHost> <VirtualHost *:443> ServerAdmin webmaster(a)list.punktskriftutvalget.no DocumentRoot /var/www/list.punktskriftutvalget/html ServerName list.punktskriftutvalget.no ErrorLog logs/list.punktskriftutvalget-error_log CustomLog logs/list.punktskriftutvalget-access_log combined include conf.d/certref.inc Alias /mailman3/static /opt/mailman3/web/static <Directory /opt/mailman3/web/static/hyperkitty/img/> Allow from all Require all granted Options FollowSymLinks </Directory> <Directory /opt/mailman3/web/static/> Options FollowSymLinks Allow from all Require all granted </Directory> <IfModule mod_headers.c> RequestHeader unset X-Forwarded-Proto <If "%{HTTPS} =~ /on/"> RequestHeader set X-Forwarded-Proto "https" </If> </IfModule> <IfModule mod_proxy.c> ProxyPreserveHost On ProxyPass "/mailman3" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/mailman3" ProxyPass "/mailman3/archives" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives" ProxyPass "/mailman3/accounts" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/accounts" ProxyPass "/mailman3/admin" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/admin" ProxyPass "/mailman3/user-profile" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/user-profile" </IfModule> </VirtualHost> Thanks Lars On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 05:27:55PM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/13/23 02:05, Lars Bjørndal wrote: > > > > I've now followed the documentation for configuring Apache here: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#apache-configur…. I want both domains to start mailman3 when contacting example1.com/mailman3 and example2.com/mailman3. I have the sam configuration in both virtualhost section in Apache. For example1.com/mailman3, it works perfectly. For example2.com/mailman3 however, the browser (elinks), reports Host not found: example2.commailman3 e.g. without a slash after the domain name. What could cause this to happen? > > > Something wrong in the web server configuration. I can't begin to guess what > without seeing it. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to lars(a)lamasti.net

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Trouble Installing Mailman3

by Henry Hartley

> -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> > To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2025 17:39 > Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Trouble Installing Mailman3 > > I think the issue may be that normally pip installs build requirements in an > isolated temporary directory so as not to create potential conflicts with installed > packages. >. > Specifying --no-build-isolation on the pip command will disable this. > If you specify --no-build-isolation on the pip command, it should use setuptools > and wheel from your venv. Eureka! (more precisely, YOU found it!) Adding --no-build-isolation did the trick and I think I'm in business. I cannot thank you enough. -- Henry Hartley Westat RB 2151

4 months

[MM3-users] Re: user mail not accepted

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/26/21 5:00 PM, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-users wrote: >>From smtp.log > > Apr 26 00:17:39 2021 (807) ('127.0.0.1', 38370) Data: b'DATA' > Apr 26 00:17:39 2021 (807) ('127.0.0.1', 38370) Data: b'QUIT' > Apr 26 00:17:39 2021 (807) ('127.0.0.1', 38370) connection lost > Apr 26 00:17:39 2021 (807) Connection lost during _handle_client() > Apr 26 00:18:11 2021 (809) > <019301d73a31$8e8e54e0$abaafea0$(a)ncboliviapartners.org> smtp to > ncpoa(a)lists.ccalternatives.org for 83 recips, completed in 29.13376259803772 > seconds > Apr 26 00:18:11 2021 (809) > <019301d73a31$8e8e54e0$abaafea0$(a)ncboliviapartners.org> post to > ncpoa(a)lists.ccalternatives.org from christian(a)ncboliviapartners.org, 5811 > bytes > Apr 26 00:18:11 2021 (809) > <161939626169.810.9530678025639681522(a)zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> smtp > to ncpoa(a)lists.ccalternatives.org for 1 recips, completed in > 0.0420069694519043 seconds > Apr 26 00:18:11 2021 (809) > <161939626169.810.9530678025639681522(a)zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> post > to ncpoa(a)lists.ccalternatives.org from > ncpoa-bounces(a)lists.ccalternatives.org, 869 bytes > Apr 26 11:52:22 2021 (819) > <161943793957.929.15640398646519288095(a)zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> smtp > to ssan(a)lists.ccalternatives.org for 1 recips, completed in > 0.22335004806518555 seconds > Apr 26 11:52:22 2021 (819) > <161943793957.929.15640398646519288095(a)zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> post > to ssan(a)lists.ccalternatives.org from ssan-bounces(a)lists.ccalternatives.org, > 765 bytes > Apr 26 11:52:22 2021 (819) > <161943793960.929.13309139087156940549(a)zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> smtp > to ssan(a)lists.ccalternatives.org for 2 recips, completed in > 0.05862092971801758 seconds > Apr 26 11:52:22 2021 (819) > <161943793960.929.13309139087156940549(a)zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> post > to ssan(a)lists.ccalternatives.org from noreply(a)lists.ccalternatives.org, 810 > bytes > Apr 26 11:55:22 2021 (819) > <161943812108.929.10391982256874011271(a)zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> smtp > to ssan(a)lists.ccalternatives.org for 1 recips, completed in > 0.1459965705871582 seconds > Apr 26 11:55:22 2021 (819) > <161943812108.929.10391982256874011271(a)zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> post > to ssan(a)lists.ccalternatives.org from > ssan-confirm+2144530ad102026077911eac6eb574bcbd04be92(a)lists.ccalternatives.o > rg, 1526 bytes > Apr 26 12:01:30 2021 (817) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) > PLAIN(builtin) > Apr 26 12:01:30 2021 (817) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 38556) > Apr 26 12:01:30 2021 (817) ('127.0.0.1', 38556) handling connection > Apr 26 12:01:30 2021 (817) ('127.0.0.1', 38556) Data: b'LHLO > zarathustra.ccalternatives.org' > Apr 26 12:01:30 2021 (817) ('127.0.0.1', 38556) Data: b'MAIL > FROM:<christian(a)sewagesludgeactionnetwork.com>' > Apr 26 12:01:30 2021 (817) ('127.0.0.1', 38556) sender: > christian(a)sewagesludgeactionnetwork.com > Apr 26 12:01:30 2021 (817) ('127.0.0.1', 38556) Data: b'RCPT > TO:<ssan-confirm+2144530ad102026077911eac6eb574bcbd04be92(a)lists.ccalternativ > es.org>' > Apr 26 12:01:30 2021 (817) ('127.0.0.1', 38556) recip: > ssan-confirm+2144530ad102026077911eac6eb574bcbd04be92(a)lists.ccalternatives.o > rg > Apr 26 12:01:30 2021 (817) ('127.0.0.1', 38556) Data: b'DATA' > Apr 26 12:01:30 2021 (817) ('127.0.0.1', 38556) Data: b'QUIT' It looks like the above 12:01:30 are the relevant entries, and that message was sent to ssan-confirm+2144530ad102026077911eac6eb574bcbd04be92(a)lists.ccalternatives.org which is not the list, but the list's -confirm address. Was the response received by the user a "results of your email commands" message? > Apr 26 12:01:30 2021 (817) ('127.0.0.1', 38556) connection lost > Apr 26 12:01:30 2021 (817) Connection lost during _handle_client() > Apr 26 12:01:34 2021 (819) > <161943849287.814.5890052642238479423(a)zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> smtp > to ssan(a)lists.ccalternatives.org for 2 recips, completed in > 0.06680631637573242 seconds > Apr 26 12:01:34 2021 (819) > <161943849287.814.5890052642238479423(a)zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> post > to ssan(a)lists.ccalternatives.org from noreply(a)lists.ccalternatives.org, 821 > bytes > Apr 26 12:01:34 2021 (819) > <161943849292.814.6140111398379700592(a)zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> smtp > to ssan(a)lists.ccalternatives.org for 1 recips, completed in > 0.04269862174987793 seconds > Apr 26 12:01:34 2021 (819) > <161943849292.814.6140111398379700592(a)zarathustra.ccalternatives.org> post > to ssan(a)lists.ccalternatives.org from ssan-request(a)lists.ccalternatives.org, > 1335 bytes > > > Message sent that only the user receives: What I wanted to see was not the message sent to the list, but the message received by the one user from the list. If you are saying this message is that, it didn't come from any Mailman list. > Return-Path: <christian(a)sewagesludgeactionnetwork.com> > Delivered-To: ces(a)ecovillage.cc > Received: from box.ecovillage.cc ([127.0.0.1]) > by box.ecovillage.cc with LMTP id MDucNBythmCTSwAAMoO61A > for <ces(a)ecovillage.cc>; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 05:07:56 -0700 > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on box.ecovillage.cc > X-Spam-Level: > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, > DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham > autolearn_force=no > version=3.4.2 > X-Spam-Report: > * -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP > * 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message > * -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK > signature > * 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not > necessarily > * valid > * -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from > * author's domain > X-Spam-Score: -1.1 > Received: from authenticated-user (box.ecovillage.cc [45.79.28.18]) > (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 > bits)) > (No client certificate requested) > by box.ecovillage.cc (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6EADF3E8CC > for <ssan(a)lists.naturalintelligence.us>; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 05:07:54 > -0700 (PDT) > DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; > d=sewagesludgeactionnetwork.com; s=mail; t=1619438876; > bh=1M7F/uIS0bNG6cWjecy/a9QjskrHVwJHkjWRv+ffpM4=; > h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:From; > b=jXOswVZgFeHBB+sjIDqVkNBQqIbfZCj9ZUfpVwl10NQEkGaoxckPHNOKT6x9zIqsW > BZ7iZqqi2mWprVQ8LrK48Lp7gvCQ/ipqspMeLt3t+uljzTtryHmV6uJFEAU3hqM33Y > nQqX6Z8la8Ko40F9Ayb4h4e/MOfPdA4nadgf5hZzt/DzPFZvzUbG3V8lWcHuyJNA2y > SQkhbNubQ6iNEEB0SyBjoOjl3g3LVxjxY+9kMGGmX+1PFfW90CpDDShRmKkkscEWaA > NiV0fX6U5LENBBnc6Q9ImLgXuaLdCqlBRBumJBk+eUUr007rpXXVAPck2NvUzGyM2v > kNNGlT68hGzEg== > From: <christian(a)sewagesludgeactionnetwork.com> > To: <ssan(a)lists.naturalintelligence.us> > References: > In-Reply-To: > Subject: How US chemical industry lobbying and cash defeated regulation in > Trump era > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 05:07:37 -0700 > Message-ID: <020501d73a94$cbe17440$63a45cc0$(a)sewagesludgeactionnetwork.com> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0206_01D73A5A.1F831170" > Thread-Index: Adc6h7I/qzBKx1yOT6aPOuipppacoQACatZAAADW1wA= > Content-Language: en-us > > How US chemical industry lobbying and cash defeated regulation in Trump era > Industry's congressional allies defeated nearly all PFAS legislation while > the Trump EPA killed, watered down or slowalked new rules > > https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/apr/26/us-chemical-companies-lo > bbying-donation-defeated-regulation > > -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Which crontab?

by Pierre Abbat

On Friday, November 3, 2017 12:26:06 PM EDT Mark Sapiro wrote: > The partucular "@daily mailman digests --send" would have to go in the > user crontab for the Mailman user. If this is not 'mailman' it is what > ever user "owns" Mailman. Further it would require that the path to > Mailman's bin/mailman command be in that users $PATH. There's nothing in http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-core.html or http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html about adding a Mailman user. This should be a system user, right? Should it have a home directory? Could you add that to the documentation? Pierre -- I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales.

7 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: "Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25"

by Manos Pitsidianakis

Thanks for the reply Mark, Στις 2019-09-21 16:19, Mark Sapiro έγραψε: > It's a stretch, but I suggest you examine the list membership and > remove > any invalid local addresses. There aren't any local addresses. > Also, look in the mail server's logs to see if you can see anything > about incoming connections being established and then dropped. Unfortunately no. Listening on all interfaces with tcpdump and there are no packets when mailman starts and the "Cannot connect to SMTP" log appears. It looks like there is no connection at all. Can I use a debugger to see exactly what happens in the runner?

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: Problem migrating from Ubuntu packaged Mailman to Virtualenv, including Hyperkitty

by Tim Cutts

Thanks Mark. The migration seems to have done the trick for the archive - thanks for the pointer. Given that I have mailman-web running as www-data in Debian-style, I had to use: sudo -u www-data /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web migrate But that did the trick, and my archives have reappeared, so thank you. > On 7 Jul 2022, at 19:35, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 7/7/22 8:12 AM, tim(a)thecutts.org wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> As we all know, mailman3 got dropped from Ubuntu 22. So I updated the operating system anyway, and decided to switch to a virtualenv setup, keeping the old Debian/Ubuntu database and log locations etc. >> With some lumps and bumps, this has gone OK; the web interface appears to be working, and I can use the mailman CLI to manipulate the lists. So far so good. >> However, there do seem to be two problems, which might be linked: >> 1. If I send a message to my test list, it does not get sent on to any members. I can see the lmtp delivery to mailman. But nothing comes out again. I can see the two test messages in the “shunt” directory > > > Look in mailman.log. There will be exceptions and tracebacks associated with the shunted messages. What are these? Right, thanks for the pointer (there are so many separate log files, I’d been looking in the wrong one!) Jul 07 17:17:44 2022 (117110) SHUNTING: 1657210664.44771+e859f37833c541df3582ea334ab4b7b016557f77 Jul 07 17:23:39 2022 (117110) Uncaught runner exception: no nameservers Jul 07 17:23:39 2022 (117110) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 176, in _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 269, in _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/runners/incoming.py", line 79, in _dispose process(mlist, msg, msgdata, start_chain) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/chains.py", line 57, in process if link.rule.check(mlist, msg, msgdata): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/rules/dmarc.py", line 316, in check if maybe_mitigate(mlist, address): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/rules/dmarc.py", line 288, in maybe_mitigate answer = is_reject_or_quarantine( File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/rules/dmarc.py", line 177, in is_reject_or_quarantine resolver = dns.resolver.Resolver() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/dns/resolver.py", line 758, in __init__ self.read_resolv_conf(filename) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/dns/resolver.py", line 850, in read_resolv_conf raise NoResolverConfiguration('no nameservers') dns.resolver.NoResolverConfiguration: no nameservers Jul 07 17:23:39 2022 (117110) SHUNTING: 1657211019.9355967+2e5a440ca577e112e092e03072660a4314f012eb Purging the resolvconf package and configuring resolv.conf manually fixed that little issue. Thanks again for the help Tim > >> Are these issues likely to be related, or do I have two things going on here? > > > The shunted messages are not related to the Django migration issues. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman-web: ResponseNotReady

by Dmitry Makovey

On 10/18/2017 12:28 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/18/2017 09:00 AM, Dmitry Makovey wrote: >> >> It seems like mailman-core is still operating properly, but for some >> reason mailman-web is not. Can I reset mailman-web somehow to re-initiate? > > > I'm not very well versed in the docker images, but I think mailman-web > uses uWsgi and sending the uwsgi process a SIGHUP should do it. I think I didn't express myself clearly - I want to reset any saved state for mailman-web - not just in-memory stuff. I've restarted my setup several times with mailman-web having exact same problem every time. -- Sr System and DevOps Engineer SoM IRT

7 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Templates location on the file system

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 11:06 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 2/13/23 08:06, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > I am reading this: > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/901#note_578684415 > > > > However, I cannot make heads or tails on what is meant by <LC>. > > > Language code. E.g. en for English. See > http://www.lingoes.net/en/translator/langcode.htm for a long list and > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/config/schema.… > for those supported by Mailman core. > Thanks for this. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: mm3 installation question

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 3/6/24 12:56 PM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > Is it possible that an Apache directive like below will fix everything > > (albeit discreetly with sysadmins driving blindly)? > > > > ProxyPass "/" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/" > > That only works if Apache serves only Django and no other URLs. It's reasonable for a few other paths under root, as well. For example, if you have Shibboleth provide SSO capability, it needs access to some path like /Shibboleth/shibboleth_is_here. Then you can place something like ProxyPass "/Shibboleth" "!" # check Apache dox before the ProxyPass "!", which disables the ProxyPass for paths starting with "/Shibboleth". Not scalable or dynamic, obviously.

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: LTMP to Postfix problem

by Mark Dadgar

On Jun 18, 2020, at 10:23 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > The grizz.org domain was recently migrated from from a larger server in > a colo that supported multiple domains to a DigitalOcean droplet which > initially had only 4 GB RAM, but that seemed marginally enough at best, > so I upgraded it to 8 GB. My 4GB DO droplet runs a couple of mm3 lists, including one that does ~4000 posts/month times ~400 recipients, running postgres, with no signs of the OOM killer. In fact, the only time I’ve ever seen it is when I was using the mailman3 shell to search for bad characters in the archives the other day. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Help understanding why some users don't receive emails

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 9/21/22 14:06, Stephen Daniel wrote: > > Looking at one user in particular, I see in /var/log/syslog that postfix is > > sending the email. There is nothing in bounce.log. > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward-confirmed_reverse_DNS>. It can > also possibly help for the server's domain to publish a DMARC policy > even if that is `p=none` The embarqmail.com domain publishes p=reject. This doesn't affect mail going *to* that domain, but it suggests they're aggressive about "fighting spam". It might help if the mailing list host were to participate in the ARC protocol. Steve

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: Can't remove footer(s)

by Henrik Rasmussen

Mark Sapiro wrote: > The templates named list_member_digest_footer.txt and > list_member_regular_footer.txt (with underscores) were created by > import21 and set as the URIs for those templates. Had you just copied > /dev/null (or otherwise made empty) those files and done nothing else, > that would have done what you wanted, but since you deleted the template > URIs for the list, the template names are now the default How do I make these not default? > list:member:digest:footer.txt and list:member:regular:footer.txt names > (with colons) and those are the empty files you need to create. Or when I upgrade to V3.2.2 will I be able to just empty the templates in /postorius/lists/LISTNAME/templates? Henrik

7 years

[MM3-users] Re: General question mailman3: message sender acceptance "always"

by Wikinaut

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/23/23 05:41, Wikinaut wrote: > > I could not find such an option (in the moderation dialog) in Mailman3 (only "accept" or "reject" and "discard", but "accept and add to white-list = accept always"). > > In the Postorius held messages view, click on the message's subject to > open a dialog showing the messages content Dear Mark, sorry: How should I know this? I'd rather prefer to have these both changes: i) relabel the existing one od three buttons from "accept" to "accept once" ; and ii) add a fourth button "accept all messages from this sender (i.e. add to white list)"

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: OK, so I backed out completely and re-installed. Here's my *original* error. Should I modify virtual mailbox maps?

by Bill Oliver

On Wed, 2024-10-16 at 12:19 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/16/24 10:26, Bill Oliver wrote: > > > > > Does the forensicpath.us domain have an alias_domain configured in > mailman causing mailman to create > /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_vmap > and /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_vmap.db? You need this. > Thanks for your reply. My wife has fallen ill, so I am taking a break from working on this to take care of her. I'll reply substantively in a week or so, I hope. billo

11 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Rejection based on total message size including attachments

by leith＠khimaira.com

As a web hosting provider I have searched and searched for a way to limit the total size of messages posted to all lists. We have moderators who just can't get it through their heads to limit the size of attachments. One list today distributed a 6 mb pdf to over 700 recipients. I have found information on creating a custom handler and some old and brief logic on limiting max_message_size from Mr. Sapiro. Would anyone who has developed a custom handler to reject messages based on total size, mind sharing the full file? If so, could you also state where the handler was positioned in the chain of handlers. Thank you for your time.

7 years

[MM3-users] Re: Permission denied for fulltext_index

by Jan Eden

On 2022-11-30 06:52, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/30/22 05:32, Jan Eden via Mailman-users wrote: > > > > I tried setting permissions on /opt/mailman/fulltext_index to 777 > > temporarily, but the issue remained (as expected). > > Are you running some security manager (SELinux, apparmor, ???) > > I suspect that's the issue. apparmor is disabled, and the error is only triggered when the directory does not exist: > # Make sure the index is there. > if self.use_file_storage and not os.path.exists(self.path): > os.makedirs(self.path) > new_index = True /opt/mailman/fulltext_index exists (and is populated), so I must assume that the Whoosh backend uses some other (non-writeable) path at this point. - Jan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman rewrite the Cc header incorrectly

by Alan So

Mark Sapiro wrote: > In the absence of an issue at > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues, > probably never. <hint> Is that anyone with a gitlab account can file an issue? If it is appropriate, I can try to file one. > Have you asked Microsoft to fix Outlook to not create these defective > messages? That's the real solution. Yes and I agree. My colleague has actually done so but it is probably not yet escalated to the appropriate tier of support. Here is the comment of my colleague: "I can submit this problem to Microsoft. However, it may take a long time to fix it or not even important enough to be fixed."

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Weird hourly indexing error

by Mark Dadgar

On Jun 9, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >> THANK YOU for all the help. > > > I'm glad we finally got it resolved. I may have spoken too soon: [ERROR/MainProcess] Failed indexing 1 - 1000 (retry 5/5): Term too long (> 245): XSUBJECT95251413 (pid 729081): Term too long (> 245): XSUBJECT95251413 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 97, in do_update backend.update(index, current_qs, commit=commit) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/xapian_backend.py", line 492, in update database.replace_document(document_id, document) xapian.InvalidArgumentError: Term too long (> 245): XSUBJECT95251413 "XSUBJECT95251413“ has some serious weirdness embedded in it. Not sure how to search for that in the django shell? - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 statistics

by Tom Browder

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 20:57 Stephen J. Turnbull < turnbull.stephen.fw(a)u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote: > Mark Sapiro writes: > > On 07/20/2017 01:22 PM, Tom Browder wrote: > > > Are there any plugins or programs for mm3 statistics? ... > If you can be more specific about the statistics you want, I can > compare to the Systers' implementation. I have no real thoughts about it. I have been talking up my pending mm3 server to my friends who are familiar with using some the paid mail services that provide various usage stats I assume are like resposnes to marketing mails and such. Our local community and tech groups are always interested in surveys that may be sent by e-mail. Thanks, Steve. -Tom

8 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: /bin/sh: sassc: command not found

by Ralf Wiegand

Thank you Mark, where do I find this section of code? On 4/22/20 2:56 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 4/22/20 11:38 AM, Ralf Wiegand wrote: >> /bin/sh: sassc: command not found - Not sure on what I am missing? > > You currently have something like: > > COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = ( > ('text/x-scss', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), > ('text/x-sass', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), > ) > > in your settings. > > Either install sassc or you can install ruby-sass and change the settings to > > COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = ( > ('text/x-scss', 'sass -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), > ('text/x-sass', 'sass -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), > ) > >

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Archive date/time vs elapsed time

by Mark

On 2023-06-28 00:42, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 6/26/23 11:41 PM, Mark wrote: >> >> No, I don't see it on the MM users' archive. >> The archive where I'm seeing it is HyperKitty version 1.3.4 on a >> Debian packaged MM 3.3.3 >> The problem lay therein? > > > I don't know if this is a change since 1.3.4 or an issue with the > Debian package. The latest Debian stable (bookworm) has more up to > date packages if you can upgrade. > > In any case, this does not seem to be an issue in current HyperKitty. > Thank you Mark. I will try out the upgrade and report back.

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Documentation for transferiering a list between mm3 and mm3

by Morris Jones

On 2/26/2021 10:55 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Brian is correct. Essentially, you would need to run database queries to > get all the relevant data from the database and then add it to the > database of the new instance. A tool could be created to do the export > and import, but it doesn't currently exist unless some user has > developed one and not reported it. Would it be unreasonable to do a database dump on the old instance and a restore on the new one? Mojo -- Morris Jones, Monrovia, CA BridgeMojo <http://bridgemojo.com> Old Town Sidewalk Astronomers <http://otastro.org> Mojo's Blog <http://mojo.whiteoaks.com>

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 not working following distribution upgrade from Debian 10 to 11.

by David Newman

On 1/6/22 2:40 PM, gordon(a)dickens.com wrote: > the mailman3-web and mailman3-full post-installation scripts These look like the Debian packages. Mark Sapiro can speak to this much better than I can, but the packages both on 10 and 11 are outdated and have some components that don't work, or don't work well. Better IMO to uninstall these and install current versions using the venv and web instructions: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html There is some overlap between these docs, but I can verify that this setup worked on Debian 10, and continued to work after upgrading to Debian 11. dn

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: List Migration from MM2.1 -> MM3

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 4:59 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 8/15/22 06:53, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > That is exactly what I have in my mailman.cfg > > > > Installing Postfix suppresses that message though. I installed Postfix > and > > then disabled it. > > > > > Your /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/mailman is talking to a different Mailman > core than the one reading that mailman.cfg and the one Postorius is > talking to. > How can I track the one it's talking to? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to best disable message decoration for all lists defined for a domain

by Ralph Seichter

* Mark Sapiro: > It's still a work in progress. Of course. I did not mean to criticise, just point out what settings I was surprised not to find in the UI. > To not add headers and or footers, you need empty templates for them. > These could be created via the list's Templates form except until [1] > is fixed, you can't make empty templates. I actually found a workaround in the meantime: update template set uri='file:///dev/null' where id=123; Not that I like to modify the underlying database manually, but it seems to do the trick for now. -Ralph

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Execution of msgfmt failed when performing post upgrade steps

by Torge Riedel

Hi, I'm currently running a test setup of MM3 using Mark Sapiros approach with two venv. I also adopted his post-upgrade-script for the web part (django). Just some minutes ago I updated the packages of my test setup with pip3 where hyperkitty is now 1.3.0 When runnin the post-upgrade-script I get the following error message: Execution of msgfmt failed: /opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/hyperkitty/locale/nb_NO/LC_MESSAGES/django.po:630: duplicate message definition... /opt/mailman/web/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/hyperkitty/locale/nb_NO/LC_MESSAGES/django.po:273: ...this is the location of the first definition msgfmt: found 1 fatal error Not sure whether this is an error of MM3 or one of its dependency packages. Best regards Torge

6 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 vs postfix

by Ralf Wiegand

Mark - I have a hard time following this. /path/to/where/your/settings/are located what settings? what do I am looking for? cd /opt/mailman # all mailman applications are under /opt/mailman ls django-mailman3 hyperkitty mailman mailmanclient mailman-hyperkitty mailman-suite postorius venv-3.6 settings.py? /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project? I do not understand??? Ralf On 4/28/20 3:59 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 4/28/20 12:42 PM, Ralf Wiegand wrote: >> (venv-3.6) [root@empire mailman]# django-admin createsuperuser >> No Django settings specified. > > In that case, you need to specify additional options: > > --pythonpath /path/to/where/your/settings/are located > --settings name_of_your_settings_file_without_the_.py > > e.g. something like > > django-admin --pythonpath /usr/share/mailman3-web \ > --settings settings createsuperuser > >

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Subscribing users stuck in pending hell

by Quanah Gibson-Mount

--On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 6:11 PM -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 5/24/23 16:07, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: >> >> Package: mailman3 >> Version: 3.2.1-1 > > For that version pendings don't have a token_owner. This script will > delete all pending subscriptions, even those waiting moderator approval, > so if there are any of those, they should be handled first. > ``` > >>> pendings = getUtility(IPendings) > >>> for token, data in pendings.find( > ... pend_type=subscription): > ... pendings.confirm(token, expunge=True) > ... > >>> commit() > ``` Thanks Mark! I had to change it to pend_type='subscription' but other than that it worked! :) Regards, Quanah

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: integrating mm3 with postfix / lmtp

by Fabian A. Santiago

On October 26, 2017 10:05:11 PM EDT, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >On 10/26/2017 06:49 PM, Fabian A. Santiago wrote: >... >> To: >test123-confirm+b7322edad83ae7ec99cfc5100161c7062d2c7685(a)gjb-online.com > > >There is an issue in Mailman 3.1 with regexp tables not working for >addresses of this form. As I posted at ><https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…>, >see <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/401> and ><https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/merge_requests/323>. That was it. Perfect. I manually modified my regexp map and it works now. Excellent and Thank you. You're the man. Does mm3 ever refresh those maps or only as I add new domains / lists? -- Thanks, Fabian S. OpenPGP: 3C3FA072ACCB7AC5DB0F723455502B0EEB9070FC

7 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Issues with cross posted emails after upgrading to mailman 3.3.6

by Simon Coggins

On 4 Nov 2021, at 11:57 pm, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net<mailto:mark@msapiro.net>> wrote: On 11/4/21 1:02 AM, Simon Coggins wrote: > > All I’m doing is literally appending a subset of a hash of the mailing list rcpt address to the front of the message-id, so that if it gets moderated, each instance of the email has a different message-id and each moderation action has it’s own copy of the email to operate on. This seems to have gotten us out of the immediate issues. But I’m eager to find a better solution that might be more permanent. As you have seen, this is new in 3.3.5. I recognize this is a problem. Previously, attempts to accept the message on the second and subsequent lists would throw an uncaught exception - see https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/914<https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/914> and this was a fix for that. Yeah I’m seriously amazed we’ve not had complaints in the year we’ve been running mailman3 that people have lost emails to multiple lists. Only now that you fixed the exception have people seen missing emails :) Please file an issue for this at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues<https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues> and I will try to find a better solution. Your approach of munging Message-IDs will create other issues. Consider a post to a list with direct CC to userx. userx replies-all to the message received directly. the In-Reply-To of this reply is the unmunged Message-ID which will affect threading in the archives and other recipient's MUAs. I realize this is preferable to losing the message, but I hope we can do better. Yeah it’s not a great solution but it’s the quickest I could come up with that works “for us”. 99% of our lists are announcement lists only with minimal replies so while this will break some. I’m hoping it will give us enough time to wait out a proper fix. I’ve created a new issue #955 with as much detail as I think you’ll need. Let me know if you need any more. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net<mailto:mark@msapiro.net>> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org<mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org<mailto:mailman-users-leave@mailman3.org> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/<https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org> --- [https://www.cqu.edu.au/] Mr Simon Coggins Principal Systems Engineer | Digital Services Directorate CQUniversity Australia, Level 6.14, 160 Ann Street, Brisbane, QLD 4000 P +61 7 3295 1182 | X 51182 | M +61 408 115 861 | E s.coggins(a)cqu.edu.au<mailto:s.coggins@cqu.edu.au> [https://www.cqu.edu.au/social-media] I respectfully acknowledge the Traditional Owners of the land on which we work and learn, and pay respect to the First Nations Peoples and their Elders, past, present and future. This communication may contain privileged or confidential information. If you have received this in error, please return to sender and delete. CRICOS: 00219C | RTO Code 40939 ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: attachment.png Content-Type: image/png Name: attachment.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Transaction failed: Duplicate header 'DKIM-Signature'

by Mohsen Masoudfar

________________________________ From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2023 1:11 PM To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Transaction failed: Duplicate header 'DKIM-Signature' Thank you Mark, please see below the responses to your questions. On 4/13/23 07:25, Mohsen Masoudfar wrote: > I am observing the following error message in the logs for one specific list: > > = = = > relay=email-smtp.us-east-1.amazonaws.com[35.168.84.210]:587, delay=0.27, delays=0.05/0.04/0.12/0.06, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host email-smtp.us-east-1.amazonaws.com[35.168.84.210] said: 554 Transaction failed: Duplicate header 'DKIM-Signature'. (in reply to end of DATA command)) > = = = This is non-compliant. Various parts of RFC6376, e.g. sections 5.6 and 6.1 clearly anticipate that a message can contain multiple DKIM-Signature: headers. > As I mentioned, this happens for one single list only and this list has not been able to send any email for a week now. After checking mailman-users, I came across the following setting, which seems kind of related to my issue: Is email-smtp.us-east-1.amazonaws.com the outgoing MTA for Mailman. I.e the value reported by `mailman conf -k smtp_host` or perhaps smtp_host is a local MTA which is configured to relay via email-smtp.us-east-1.amazonaws.com? > > # mailman conf -k smtp_host > > [mta] smtp_host: localhost In what log is that message? > > in /var/log/mail.log Presumably this error occurs on Mailman's attempt to deliver the mail to `smtp_host`. Otherwise, I don't see how it affects all mail from this list, but I also don't understand why this list's delivery would be different from other lists. Postfix is running on the local host and in /etc/postfix/main.cf, this is defined: relayhost = [email-smtp.us-east-1.amazonaws.com]:587 > = = = > To distribute messages with valid DKIM signatures, I set > remove_dkim_headers: yes > in /etc/mailman3/mailman.cf > = = = > > Here are my questions: > 1 - I have around 100 lists and this happens for this one list only, so, I am not sure, if the issue might be solved with this change. This setting will remove all DKIM headers from the message as Mailman receives it. Then, it depends on how and how many DKIM signatures are added to the outgoing mail. > > could this have any side effects? Is there a reason that this is NOT set per default? > 2 - Because this happens for this one list only, I would rather change it for this one list only, is there any option available changing it for one list only and not for the whole server? No, there is no such option. The fact that this happens for only one list is very strange. I would need more information to understand why. Do these messages get queued in Mailman's retry queue? If so, if you examine one such message with `mailman qfile`, what are the complete headers from that message. > > /var/lib/mailman3/queue/retry is empty Thanks again. M -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…<https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/> Archived at: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…<https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> This message sent to mmasoudf(a)aaas.org

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: migration

by Dave McGuire

On 7/30/21 4:25 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> I am not at all fluent in django interactions (I'm still not entirely >> sure of what django actually *is*) so I have some reading to do. Any >> pointers on "django wrangling for n00bs" would be great. As I >> mentioned, I've not been hacking on mm3, just using it. I'm an >> accomplished programmer, but embedded C and assembler are a few >> galaxies away from python and web services! > > > Django is a Python based web framework. It is the framework used to > support HyperKitty and Postorius. To learn more, start at > https://www.djangoproject.com/ I'll get to reading. Thanks! -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Whitelist non subscriber

by Barry Warsaw

On Aug 10, 2017, at 13:05, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > Mailman 3 defines the list attribute accept_these_nonmembers, but it is > not currently implemented to actually have any effect, nor is it exposed > in Postorius. Yes, that attribute is deprecated and (almost) completely removed. > At the present, I think you would have to create a user record with the > address and add that user to all lists with role nonmember and > moderation_action 'defer' to apply subsequent tests or 'accept' to > unconditionally accept posts from that address. That’s the way it should be done. Those actions may not be exposed yet in Postorius or the CLI, so you might have to do it with a `wishlist` script. -Barry

8 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Starting new thread in Postorius -> disappears

by Cameron Smith

Mark, My apologies for not investigating more thoroughly before opening my mouth (so to speak). You are, of course, correct in your analysis of what happened to my emails, and this is not the first time that my email setup has caused me problems. I’ve added my alternate email address to my lists.mailman3.org user profile, so hopefully it won’t happen again. > On 2017.11.29, at 18:09 , Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 11/29/2017 05:05 PM, Cameron Smith wrote: >> >> On November 21, I sent the message below, as a part of this very thread, to Thor and cc’d the mailman 3 list. But the message never showed up in HyperKitty [1]. I don’t know if other list members received it in their email inboxes or not. > > > Your post was received: > > Nov 21 14:31:20 mailman postfix/cleanup[15735]: 2B3798008D: > message-id=<836BFAB0-4879-4EDF-9026-FEC17D4A2BEC(a)mail2.cetsi.com> > Nov 21 14:31:20 mailman postfix/qmgr[20545]: 2B3798008D: > from=<ccsmith(a)mail2.cetsi.com>, size=10048, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > > delivered to Mailman core: > > Nov 21 14:31:20 mailman postfix/lmtp[15737]: 2B3798008D: > to=<mailman-users(a)mailman3.org>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, > delay=0.31, delays=0.28/0/0/0.02, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) > > and immediately discarded: > > Nov 21 14:31:21 2017 (19106) DISCARD: > <836BFAB0-4879-4EDF-9026-FEC17D4A2BEC(a)mail2.cetsi.com> > > >> Thor obviously received the message (it was addressed to him directly), because he referenced it in a message that is in the archives [1]. However, I never received an email copy of his message from the list. > > > Possibly you never received a list copy of his message because you were > directly addressed and your list option "Receive list copies (possible > duplicates)" is set to No. > > >> So, what’s going on? > > > As to why your post was discarded, unfortunately, the logs don't give > more info. There are a couple of possibilities. If your post contained > an attachment with Content=Type: application/subtype where sub-type > doesn't contain 'signature' it would have been discarded by a header > filter rule. Also it looks like you sent the message From: > <ccsmith(a)mail2.cetsi.com>. If that is not an address on your > <ccsmith(a)cetsi.com> account, it would have been discarded as a > non-member post. > > >> What baffles me is that more people are not complaining about this. Is it just that no one has noticed? Or is it some subtle misconfiguration in my system? And in Thor’s apparently. And maybe in the lists.mailman3.org system as well. > > > I see nothing so far to indicate anything at lists.mailman3.org is > broken in this respect. The only "unusual" thing is this is now a new > thread > <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…>, > but presumably that is because your post was in reply to your earlier > post which wasn't archived. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ Cameron Smith Nanaimo, BC tel:1.604.803.0051

7 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem replying via Hyperkitty

by Jeff

I am finally getting around to revisiting the problems I have been having with replying or posting through the web of my Mailman 3 installation. Posts or replies simply disappear. Here is the Django log section from when I did a test post today: [26/Jul/2022:10:19:22 -0400] "GET /3.1/users/30a0c1ee3d8c4c9681cc73ad25c9b00b HTTP/1.1" 200 388 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.3" [26/Jul/2022:10:19:22 -0400] "GET /3.1/users/30a0c1ee3d8c4c9681cc73ad25c9b00b/addresses HTTP/1.1" 200 824 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.3" [26/Jul/2022:10:19:22 -0400] "POST /3.1/members/find HTTP/1.1" 200 90 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.3" [26/Jul/2022:10:19:22 -0400] "POST /3.1/members/find HTTP/1.1" 200 1195 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.3" [26/Jul/2022:10:19:22 -0400] "GET /3.1/addresses/address(a)domain.com HTTP/1.1" 200 348 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.3" [26/Jul/2022:10:19:22 -0400] "GET /3.1/addresses/address(a)domain.com HTTP/1.1" 200 348 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.3" [26/Jul/2022:10:19:22 -0400] "GET /3.1/lists/listname.lists.domain.org HTTP/1.1" 200 480 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.3" [26/Jul/2022:10:19:22 -0400] "GET /3.1/lists/listname(a)lists.domain.org/config HTTP/1.1" 200 3878 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.3" [26/Jul/2022:10:19:22 -0400] "GET /3.1/lists/listname.lists.domain.org/member/address%40domain.com HTTP/1.1" 200 544 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.3" Nothing at all appeared in the Mailman log or the MTA log. Does anyone have any idea what is happening to the posts or what I can do to troubleshoot? Thanks much! > On Jun 30, 2022, at 6:44 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 6/30/22 10:07 AM, Jeff wrote: >> Hello Everyone, >> A few of my users read our mailing list through Hyperkitty. Whenever they reply through the web, their replies simply disappear. One example from today was logged as follows: >> [pid: 2287|app: 0|req: 116007/153551] xxx.xx.xx.xx () {72 vars in 1992 bytes} [Thu Jun 30 11:26:16 2022] POST /archives/list/listname(a)domainname.org/message/46WUOPZITVMKJN4TXR6CP3WMFUEAVJKD/reply => generated 3213 bytes in 70 msecs (HTTP/1.1 200) 6 headers in 188 bytes (3 switches on core 0) > > > This looks like the post of the reply to HyperKitty. What does the user see in response to that? > > There should be a brief alert popup indicating the message was sent. > > >> A couple of basic questions: >> 1) when a users replies in this manner, does their response go to the list or to the subscriber to whom they are replying? > > To the list. > > >> 2) what log files could I check to see what — if anything — happens to these emails? > > Mailman's var/logs/mailman.log, The MTA logs and the Django logs. > > >> 3) Are there any settings that need to be set to make this work? > > There shouldn't be as long as the list and archiving work. > > Note, a user can select 'Use email software' when replying which should open a composition dialog in their email client to post a reply yto the list. > > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Issues with cross posted emails after upgrading to mailman 3.3.6

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > Thanks for filing the issue. I'll work on a solution. My current > thinking is to add a `count` column to the message table, set the count > to 1 when initially adding a message-id, increment the count when adding > an existing message-id, decrement the count when deleting a message-id > and only delete the entry and message when the count reaches 0. Are we guaranteed to get a separate LMTP delivery for each list? That is, if the MTA receives 2 RCPT TOs to lists for one transaction, won't it do the same in LMTP when it sends forwards the message to Mailman? Steve

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Disabling mail/news gateway was: Moderation action "None" is misleading

by Ron / BCLUG

Mark Sapiro wrote on 2025-02-05 12:48: > As of Mailman 3.3.10 (not yet released) the nntp runner is not started > by default. This is a welcome change, thank you. > For older releases you can add > ``` > [runner.nntp] > start: no > ``` > to mailman.cfg I've been digging into MM3 resource usage vs MM2 and have been wondering: are there any other runners that can be disabled, or invoked via cron job to run every $interval then exit again? Second question, similar topic but MM2: how to disable NNTP? (if that's what this is doing): /usr/bin/python2 /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s Thanks again.

8 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Installation Wooes

by Samir Faci

@Marc disregard the direct email I sent you. Okay, so just to clarify both postfix and mailman are running on the same host. In theory, everything should be able to connect to localhost on port 25 to be able to send any emails it needs. 198.199.98.177 resolves is already added to my networks, but I added it explicitly. mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.localdomain, localhost, $mydomain, lists.domain.org, 198.199.98.177 I tried setting the values to the dns name which resolves to the public IP and the 127.0.0.1 and right now I keep on seeing these errors: connect to lists.geekbeacon.org[198.199.98.177]:8024: Connection refused So, I ended up having to tweak my /etc/hosts file a bit as well as ``` smtp_host: lists.domain.org smtp_port: 25 smtp_user: smtp_pass: # Where the LMTP server listens for connections. Use 127.0.0.1 instead of # localhost for Postfix integration, because Postfix only consults DNS # (e.g. not /etc/hosts). lmtp_host: lists.domain.org lmtp_port: 8024 ``` So, now it's finally working but here's a question. Does 8024 need to be publically accessible from the outside? On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 8:32 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 5/3/20 8:13 PM, Samir Faci wrote: > > > > Postfix Failed Logs. > > > > May 4 03:07:36 lists postfix/smtpd[1968155]: disconnect from > > unknown[198.199.98.177] ehlo=1 mail=1 rcpt=0/1 rset=1 quit=1 commands=4/5 > > May 4 03:07:36 lists postfix/smtpd[1968155]: connect from > > unknown[198.199.98.177] > > May 4 03:07:36 lists postfix/smtpd[1968155]: 745B31473C6: > > client=unknown[198.199.98.177] > > May 4 03:07:36 lists postfix/cleanup[1968158]: 745B31473C6: > > message-id=<158856165549.136760.840427238489827082@lists> > > May 4 03:07:36 lists postfix/qmgr[1964759]: 745B31473C6: > > from=<booh-bounces(a)lists.domain.org > > So mailman and Postfix are on different machines. That may complicate > things, but > > > > <mailto:booh-bounces@lists.domain.org>>, size=5474, nrcpt=1 (queue > active) > > May 4 03:07:36 lists postfix/smtpd[1968155]: disconnect from > > unknown[198.199.98.177] ehlo=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 quit=1 commands=5 > > May 4 03:07:36 lists postfix/lmtp[1968159]: 745B31473C6: > > to=<booh-owner(a)lists.domain.org <mailto:booh-owner@lists.domain.org>>, > > relay=lists.domain.org <http://lists.domain.org>[198.199.98.177]:8024, > > delay=0.03, delays=0/0/0/0.02, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) > > This was a successful delivery. > > > > May 4 03:07:36 lists postfix/qmgr[1964759]: 745B31473C6: removed > > May 4 03:07:38 lists postfix/smtpd[1968155]: connect from > > unknown[198.199.98.177] > > May 4 03:07:38 lists postfix/smtpd[1968155]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from > > unknown[198.199.98.177]: 554 5.7.1 <csgeek(a)domain.com > > <mailto:csgeek@domain.com>>: Relay access denied; > > from=<booh-bounces+csgeek=domain.com(a)lists.domain.org > > <mailto:domain.com@lists.domain.org>> to=<csgeek(a)domain.com > > <mailto:csgeek@domain.com>> proto=ESMTP helo=<[127.0.1.1]> > > You are sending from a remote machine 198.199.98.177 to a presumably > remote domain domain.com so relay access is denied as it should be. > > You need to add 198.199.98.177 to mynetworks in Postfix. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Thank you Samir Faci https://keybase.io/csgeek

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating Mailman 3 lists

by Andrew Hodgson

Mark Sapiro wrote: >On 5/19/20 7:25 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: >> >> I get a bunch of these errors because identifiers in postgres are limited to 63 characters and mm3 creates some in sqlite that are longer than that: >> >> 2020-05-20T02:16:20.574000Z WARNING PostgreSQL warning: identifier "idx_44731_auth_user_user_permissions_user_id_permission_id_14a6b632_uniq" will be truncated to "idx_44731_auth_user_user_permissions_user_id_permission_id_14a6" [...] >> For reference my pgloader script looks like: >> >> load database >> from sqlite:///var/lib/dbconfig-common/sqlite3/mailman3-web/mailman3web.db >> into postgresql://mailman3:XXREDACTEDXX@localhost/mailman >> >> with include drop, create tables, create indexes, reset sequences, no >> truncate Have you tried this without indexes and then run the migrate script? It may re-create them as part of the schema upgrade check. Andrew.

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Errors while importing mm2 list archives

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 9:45 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/10/22 01:13, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 10:41 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> > >> In the DATABASES['default'] definition, you need to set `'OPTIONS': > >> {'charset': 'utf8mb4'}` > >> > > > > I added that: > > > > [database] > > class: mailman.database.mysql.MySQLDatabase > > url: mysql+pymysql://mailman_user:XXXXXXXXX@localhost > > /mailmansuite?charset=utf8mb4&use_unicode=1 > > > The above is for Mailman core. It doesn't affect HyperKitty. For that > you need to look at the DATABASES definition in > /etc/mailman3/settings.py > < > https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman-web/en/latest/settings.html#mail…> > > and ensure that in addition to the other settings under `default {` you > have > ``` > 'OPTIONS': {'charset': 'utf8mb4'}, > ``` > > ... > >> You might also need to modify the tables, particularly hyperkitty_email > >> with something like > >> ``` > >> ALTER TABLE hyperkitty_email > >> DEFAULT CHARACTER SET utf8mb4, > >> MODIFY subject varchar(512) > >> CHARACTER SET utf8mb4 COLLATE utf8mb4_unicode_ci, > >> MODIFY content > >> CHARACTER SET utf8mb4 COLLATE utf8mb4_unicode_ci; > >> > > > > > > So I removed my list, dropped the database, and proceeded as follows: > > > > create database mailmansuite CHARACTER SET utf8mb4 COLLATE > > utf8mb4_0900_ai_ci; > > ALTER TABLE hyperkitty_email DEFAULT CHARACTER SET utf8mb4; > > ALTER TABLE hyperkitty_email MODIFY subject varchar(512) CHARACTER SET > > utf8mb4 COLLATE utf8mb4_unicode_ci; > > ALTER TABLE hyperkitty_email MODIFY content longtext CHARACTER SET > utf8mb4 > > COLLATE utf8mb4_unicode_ci; > > ALTER TABLE hyperkitty_email MODIFY sender_name varchar(255) CHARACTER > SET > > utf8mb4 COLLATE utf8mb4_unicode_ci; > > ALTER TABLE hyperkitty_email MODIFY in_reply_to varchar(255) CHARACTER > SET > > utf8mb4 COLLATE utf8mb4_unicode_ci; > > > > I did all those (although looks overzealous) just to be on the safe > side. I > > have seen people putting emojis in their names. > > > None of that should be necessary. `mailman-web migrate` should create > the database and tables as needed. > > > > After that, I did the mailman-web migrate, created the list, imported the > > config from MM2 and then proceeded to import the archives. > > However, the errors still are there, and several messages were not > imported > > Do you have the OPTIONS setting in your DATABASES definition in > settings.py? > Here is what I have tested lately in settings.py: # MySQL Database setup DATABASES = { 'default': { 'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.mysql', 'NAME': 'mailmansuite', 'USER': 'mm3', 'PASSWORD': 'XXXXXXXXX', 'HOST': 'localhost', 'PORT': '', 'OPTIONS': { 'init_command': "SET sql_mode='STRICT_TRANS_TABLES'", 'charset': 'utf8mb4', }, } } I have dropped the DB, recreated, run the 'migrate', created the list, imported config from MM2. However, nothing seems to be able to address the errors with importing the archives. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 reinstall fail, need some help

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 12:06 PM Yvan ♞ <elemac(a)free.fr> wrote: > Hello every body > I have progress to try to reinstall mailman3 on yunohost server but I > still have an error, if somebody can help me as I don't understand the log > https://paste.yunohost.org/raw/ugijepuyuv > Sincerely. > Yvan > Hi Yvan, As previously advised by Mark Sapiro, you are better off taking to the YunoHost support people for help. They will most likely help you with the failing dependencies issue. But I also wonder - why don't you follow the virtualenv method to install? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' :-)

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Subscribing users stuck in pending hell

by Quanah Gibson-Mount

--On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 10:13 AM -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > This was added in Postorius 1.3.0 which was released almost 4 years ago. > If you can't upgrade, see > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/messa > ge/6GKWYT3ZMXPHMGSXUW6OI6J2222AR7OV/ for a mailman shell script. That shell script seems to have errors: >>> pendings = getUtility(IPendings) >>> for token, data in pendings.find( ... token_owner=TokenOwner.subscriber, ... pend_type='subscription'): ... print("hello") ... Traceback (most recent call last): File "<console>", line 3, in <module> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) TypeError: find() got an unexpected keyword argument 'token_owner' --Quanah

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty is not archiving due to 405 error - GET instead of POST

by Matthias

Hi Mark, Mark Sapiro wrote: ... > You could always try adding additional logging to > mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py to log the entire result, but I suspect > the issue is that there is a redirect somewhere in the path from the > configured HyperKitty base_url (see mailman_hyperkitty.cfg) and the > actual HyperKitty API that is redirecting the POST to a GET and also > dropping the POST data. Thanks a lot...I assumed already the same, but your sentence was giving me again some hint...and I found the base_url...there it wasn't httpS but http, which then was redirected and lost the POST... Now it is working as intended! Great, Thanks, Matthias

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: list footer questions

by Mohsen Masoudfar

Hi, Thanks again for your help. When I check the postorius version, it says 1.1.2-3: [509]# apt list | grep postorius python-django-postorius/bionic,now 1.1.2-3 all [installed,automatic] It is on Ubuntu18.04 and has been installed with Ubuntu package Mailman-full. There is no update available yet. So it looks like I cannot use the easy way of modifying the templates. Question: Is there a way to achieve the same by updating the code? Thanks Mohsen -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 4:44 PM To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Re: list footer questions [EXTERNAL EMAIL] On 5/8/20 12:52 PM, Mohsen Masoudfar wrote: > Hi, > > This seems to me like basic simple questions, I have tried FAQ and other resources, with not much success. > > I have two questions: > > 1. When I send an email to a list, in gmail and yahoo I see the following text with the links at the end of the email body: > _______________________________________________ > Testlist_dmark1 mailing list - > listname(a)domain.tlb<mailto:testlist_dmark1@newlistserv.aaas.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to listname-leave(a)domain.tlb > > In<mailto:listname-leave@domain.tlb%0b%0bIn> outlook this is added as an attachment in the form of a TEXT file, when you open it, you see the same text. > Question: Is there a way to change this, that it looks in outlook the same way as it appears in gmail/yahoo? There are a few things going on here. First, the actual footer is _______________________________________________ Testlist_dmark1 mailing list - listname(a)domain.tlb To unsubscribe send an email to listname-leave(a)domain.tlb The <mailto:...> links are added by the Mail client displaying the mail. > In outlook this is added as an attachment in the form of a TEXT file, when you open it, you see the same text. > Question: Is there a way to change this, that it looks in outlook the same way as it appears in gmail/yahoo? > > I know MS does it own stuff sometime and we have no impact on that, but I was thinking maybe we might change the footer in a way that outlooks sees that as part of email body. Yes, this is an outlook thing, but you do have some control. See the FAQ article at <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.list…> for a more detailed explanation, but the issue is that after any content filtering has been applied, the message is still multipart so Mailman adds the footer as a separate MIME text/plain part at the end of the message. You can avoid this by doing heavy content filtering on the messages. Namely, accept only multipart, text/plain and text/html, collapse alternatives and convert html to plain text. Note that some of this involves updating the list's pass_types which is not exposed in Postorius before 1.3.3 which is not yet released. > 2. How may I change the format and the text in footer? > I was expecting it under list > setting, in postorius, but I could not find it. It's the top level Templates tab in Postorius (just left of Settings). It was added in Postorius 1.2.1. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Recommended way to backup a mailman3 instance

by Andrew Hodgson

Mark Sapiro wrote: >On 4/17/20 4:51 PM, Abhilash Raj wrote: >> >> If they are empty, perhaps the digest creation process should just re-create them instead of failing to create/send digests? We don't really need the directory structure to exist. >I created <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/699> for this. In my situation I noticed the directories weren't created very quickly as my Exim config looks for the list directories to identify whether that address exists. I don't know how Postfix does the aliasing but for my case it would make sense to get the directories created as soon as possible, not sure if the digest handler would be soon enough or not. Thanks. Andrew.

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: The dread "relay access denied" error

by Bill Oliver

On Sat, 2024-11-02 at 16:48 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/1/24 19:07, Bill Oliver wrote: > > > mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 mail.bill- > > oliver.com bill-oliver.com lists.bill-oliver.com > > I suspect this is the issue. mynetworks is a list of network > addresses > or network/netmask patterns. Domain names don't work. set > > mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 > 162.144.108.19 > Doh. That was exactly it. Thanks. There's another 20 hours of my life I'll never get back again... I ended up having to add my explicit IP address, but I dropped the names and it worked. Now it's running like a charm. Thank you so much. billo

11 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: How to prevent members to attach executables (exe, bat, ...) to the emails sent to list

by Mohsen Masoudfar

Hi Mark, Thanks again for the helpful hint. It seems that I still miss something. I am running Mailman3.1.1. I ran the following on my test server. I am trying, for test purpose only, to filter PDF attachments. First I just used the pass_type, assuming once this is set, everything else is filtered. # mailman withlist testlist3(a)x.com >>> m.pass_types = ['multipart', 'message/rfc822', 'text', 'application/pgp-signature'] >>> commit() >>> print(list(m.pass_types)) ['multipart', 'message/rfc822', 'text', 'application/pgp-signature'] This let PDF be send by Mailman3. Well, I need to add filter_types too, so I did this: >>> m.filter_types = ['application/pdf'] >>> commit() >>> print(list(m.filter_types)) ['application/pdf'] Mailman3 still distributes PDF files as attachment. What am I doing wrong? This is the final settings: >>> print(list(m.pass_types)) ['multipart', 'message/rfc822', 'text', 'application/pgp-signature'] >>> print(list(m.filter_types)) ['application/pdf'] Thanks Mohsen Thanks Mohsen -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 1:07 PM To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Re: How to prevent members to attach executables (exe, bat, ...) to the emails sent to list [EXTERNAL EMAIL] On 9/30/20 9:25 AM, Mohsen Masoudfar wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to find a way for content filtering to remove executables from the emails sent to the list. I found some hints under: > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmail > man.readthedocs.io%2Fen%2Fstable%2Fbuild%2Flib%2Fmailman%2Fhandlers%2F > docs%2Ffiltering.html%3Fhighlight%3Dcontent%2520filter&data=01%7C0 > 1%7Cmmasoudf%40aaas.org%7Ceb728218f9884b4bfc1a08d865635075%7C2eebd8ff9 > ed140f0a15638e5dfb3bc56%7C0&sdata=mGUdz5NfrJgEyPmd5Isa0l01WWPQMpTA > 9thyWLZ0qbU%3D&reserved=0 > > but still not clear how to do it for all type of excecutables. There are four list settings that affect this. They are pass_types, pass_extensions, filter_types and filter_extensions. the pass_* settings specify message parts the list will accept while the filter_* settings specify message parts the list won't accept. The page at <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmailman.r…> only discusses filter_types and needs updating for the others. Filtering by extension only works on message parts that have an associated file name. Thus, while you can add things like 'exe', 'bat', 'cmd', 'com', 'pif', 'scr', 'vbs' and 'cpl' to filter_extensions, it won't be completely effective. A better approach is to use MIME types[1] and only allow those you want. For a discussion list, a reasonable set is what this list uses: multipart message/rfc822 text application/pgp-signature This will accept any multipart and message/rfc822 parts for further analysis and ultimately accept only text/* and application/pgp-signature elemental parts. If you want to accept images and pdfs, you can add image application/pdf See <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iana.…> for a list of all registered MIME types. Note that these are all of the form main_type/sub_type and putting just main_type in *_types passes or filters all subtypes for that maintype. [1] You can use both, e.g. filter_extensions to remove those you don't want and pass_types to accept the MIME types you do want. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: Excluding archives from a mailman3web database backup

by Andy Smith

Hi Mark, On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 09:43:10PM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 6/23/22 17:38, Andy Smith wrote: > > is it safe to just exclude every table starting with > > "hyperkitty_" from the database backup of mailman3web? Dumping > > only the schema for these, I mean, so that an import would > > restore empty tables. > > That should be safe. The hyperkitty_import job should populate the tables as > necessary. You will lose things like favorites, last views, tags and votes, > but that may not be important. Thanks. In case it's useful for anyone, here is a script I came up with for this: https://gist.github.com/grifferz/6c6033c3067db5883c6413f653705691#file-mail… Cheers, Andy

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: list's RSS feed has wrong URLs (base path instead of subdomain)

by roughnecks

Il 28/05/2025 05:41, Mark Sapiro ha scritto: > On 5/27/25 10:48, Simone via Mailman-users wrote: >> >> I have set this up and it's working well so far, but today I noticed >> that links in list's RSS feed point to https://mydomain.tld, while >> mailman is running on https://lists.mydomain.tld. >> >> I wouldn't know how to fix this.. any hints? > > I'm not seeing this in, e.g., output from https://lists.mailman3.org/ > archives/list/mailman-users(a)mailman3.org/feed/ > No worries, it was about the site domain setting. As soon as I fixed it, everything came back alright.

4 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Column 'starting_email_id' cannot be null

by Peppo Brambilla

On 18.08.25 12:42, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On August 18, 2025 9:35:13 AM GMT, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: >> It looks like you did not run some migrations. >> However, because this is packaged Mailman3, I am not sure I know how to do >> that. > > Django-admin migrate > > Where Django-admin is whatever the name of the Django admin command is. > > However, the primary support resource for the Debian/Ubuntu package is Debian. See <https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344>. > > On Debian the command is mailman-web migrate Cheers -- Peppo -- Universität Bern Phil.-nat. Fakultät Institut für Informatik Dr. Peppo Brambilla Systemadministrator Neubrückstrasse 10 3012 Bern Schweiz Telefon +41 31 684 33 10

1 month, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Weird hourly indexing error

by Mark Dadgar

On May 5, 2020, at 2:27 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 5/5/20 8:55 AM, Mark Dadgar wrote: > >> ERROR/MainProcess] Failed indexing 1 - 1000 (retry 5/5): Term too long (> 245): >> XSUBJECT95251413 > > It isn't clear from looking at it and I never would have noticed had I > not happened to look at the raw email with less, but the > XSUBJECT95251413 in the above is the entire long word. This is how less > displays it > >> XSUBJECT9<U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B>5<U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B>2<U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B>5<U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B>1<U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B>4<U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B>1<U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B>3<U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B><U+200B> > > > Each of those <U+200B> represents a unicode zero width space. That’s gnarly. BTW, the patch did not fix it. I haven’t had a chance to look more deeply into it yet. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: only show mail domains from web host on web-host-url

by Jens Günther

Just checked again and saw: - in the setup it works perfectly in Hyperkitty, that's nice - for the first web host I have 2 mail domains registered, so it also matches (unfortunately) with what you said :-( Anyway, I dceleted one of it, still both lists are shown on either web host, so it's generally not working. If I can do something on this issue, please advise me. Thanks. Am 19.03.21 um 17:21 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > FILTER_VHOST is problematic. It works fairly well for HyperKitty, but > not so well for Postorius. In particular with Postorius it doesn't work > if there is more than one mail host domain with the current web host.

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification

by Onyeibo Oku

On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 09:38:37 -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 10/31/22 00:17, Onyeibo Oku wrote: > > > > It is not finding the logger file. The other django project on this > > machine is running fine. I can confirm that the logger plugin is > > installed. I must be missing something. > > If you are following > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#initial-configu… > take note of > ``` > # Make sure that this directory is created or Django will fail on > start. LOGGING['handlers']['file']['filename'] = > '/opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log' > ``` > The file and exact path is existing. I made sure of that. Regards Onyeibo

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Simon Hanna

On 07/22/2017 03:46 AM, Rafael Mora wrote: > Can I use it for mailing lists? like MailChimp? > > El vie., 21 jul. 2017 a las 20:34, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) > escribió: > >> On 07/21/2017 06:07 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: >>> I want to use Mailman to send emails to our customers. I would highly recommend using a service like MailChimp. MailChimp has a decent free tier and if you are above that, I'm not sure if you can handle configuring Postfix the right way. It's not my intention to be demeaning or anything, but it sounds like that would be a little too complicated for you... (I wouldn't want to manage a Mailserver in charge of tens of thousands of emails per month)

8 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 generates long lines?

by Andreas Barth

* Mark Sapiro (mark(a)msapiro.net) [210623 16:21]: > On 6/23/21 7:10 AM, Andreas Barth wrote: > >One question, in order to ease debugging, can I forcefully activate > >the prototype archiver from the global configuration, or do I need to > >do that on a per-list basis? > > You need > > [archiver.prototype] > enable: yes > > in mailman.cfg. I'm not sure if that's enough for existing lists. > You may need to activate the archiver per list. Thanks Mark, that's what I did. After the restart I needed to activate it on a per-list basis. However, I'd prefer to be able to do that on global basis. Not a big issue, but still thought it worth asking. Andi

4 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 + postfix + dovecot + postfixadmin

by Geoff Nordli

On 2022-07-03 12:40 p.m., Mark Sapiro wrote: > On July 3, 2022 12:18:38 PM PDT, Geoff Nordli <geoffn(a)gnaa.net> wrote: >> Hi. >> >> Did anyone figure out the issue or have a working configuration with this: >> >> https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… >> >> I am getting the same error, with the same configuration. > > Did you read the whole thread at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… > > The OP posted his solution, and there is other information there too. > > Thanks, I didn't clue in that I was at the "message" level of thread and didn't see the entire thread. I will read through it.

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Delete a single email or thread from hyperkitty archive

by Andrew Bernard

Logged in a superuser, Mailman3, I am unable to see delete message above tags, only delete thread. I am unable to view a reply as a single message. What I am fundamentally missing? Andrew On 16/07/2019 3:02 am, Mark Sapiro wrote: > An example of thread view is > <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…>, > and a message view is > <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> > > > You won't see the Reattach this thread, Delete this thread or Delete > this message links on those pages because you must be a superuser to see > them, but they are in the right sidebar just above TAGS. >

6 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: How can i suppress sending moderation mail to all owners?

by Markus Grandpré

Thank you for you instant response. Best, Markus Am 8/11/25 um 12:46 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On August 11, 2025 9:48:00 AM GMT, "Markus Grandpré" <markus.grandpre(a)uni-konstanz.de> wrote: >> >> How can I configure the list settings the way that emails intended for moderators are delivered only to them, and not to the owners/administrators of the list? > > You can't. You could modify code to do this either unconditionally or per list, but there is currently no configuration to do this. > L > -- Markus Grandpré (he/him) Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations- und Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur Sachgebiet Diensteadministration 78457 Konstanz Tel: +49 7531 88-4342D

2 months

[MM3-users] Re: uncaught bounce messages

by David Bremner

Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> writes: > > Thank you. I tested that DSN with current flufl.bounce and it is > recognized as a temp failure for the reported address and that in turn > should just be ignored by Mailman's bounce runner and not reported as > unrecognized. > > What version of Mailman core is this and what version of flufl.bounce? > Sorry, meant to reply on list with the rest of the details, but got distracted by making dinner. So it sounds like the problem is old versions of flufl.bounce. This particular machine is running debian oldstable, so things are a bit out of date. mailman-core is 3.2.1 and flufl.bounce is 3.0. I'll look into upgrading at least flufl.bounce. thanks for your help, David

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Custom templates (was: Re: Re: nginx configuration on a multitasking server)

by David Newman

On 1/14/22 8:18 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> https://${domain}/mailman3/lists/${short_listname}.${domain}/ > > FYI, ${short_listname}.${domain} is the same as ${list_id} Good to know. Thanks. > Also, ${domain} as the web site address may not be appropriate. For > example, on this list $domain is `mailman3.org`, but the base URL for > Postorius is `https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3` and > `https://mailman3.org/mailman3` doesn't work. There is no replacement > for the web domain if it's different from the email domain for the same > reason that there are no web URLs in the default templates. Is there a variable for the base Postorius URL? Something like: https://${baseVarName}/lists/${list_id} Thanks dn

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman-web compress - Invalid template socialaccount/login_cancelled.html

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 9:46 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > This is definitely an issue with django_allauth 0.58. See > https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/issues/3503 and > https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/pull/3504 Thank you for following up on the fix. Consequent upon this django-allauth issue and the previous issue with psycopg2, how likely is it that new MM3 installations will suffer the effects? I am asking because I am doing my tests on a relatively vanilla system and just following the official documentation sin any deviations. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Table 'mailmansuite.django_q_ormq' doesn't exist ("Delete this thread" -> 'HTTP-500 -> NoneType' object has no attribute 'all')

by Simon Liebold

Am 30.05.2017 um 02:06 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > Do you have django_q in INSTALLED_APPLICATIONS in your Django config and > do you have > > # > # Asynchronous tasks > # > Q_CLUSTER = { > 'timeout': 300, > 'save_limit': 100, > 'orm': 'default', > } > > in your Django config and are you running > > django-admin qcluster > > at startup? > > See > <https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2017-May/026064.html>. Thanks Mark. After adding django_q, running python manage.py migrate and starting the runners it now works nicely: Successfully deleted 2 messages. Simon

8 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius password resets

by Andrew Hodgson

Mark Sapiro wrote: >On 10/14/20 11:11 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: >> I am having an issue with our system where password resets are giving the users an email with a http://localhost:8000 URL. I have made sure settings in settings_local.py (and even settings.py) are as follows: >> >> POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://lists.hodgsonfamily.org' >This is not relevant. Does it need resetting back to http://localhost:8000? >> However emails are still coming through with the wrong URL. >I'm not sure offhand, but it's either domains in Postorius or sites in the django admin UI. I've checked both and cannot see any errors (I just have the one site lists.hodgsonfamily.org) and nothing is empty which seems as though it needs filling in. Thanks. Andrew.

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: How to identify the exact reason behind the shunting of the mails ?

by Shashikanth Komandoor

Dear Mark, FYI, I observed this issue with the postfix that receives the mails from the previous MTA and hands it over to the mailman. But I fixed at postfix by upgrading it to the version postfix 3. But still Mailman is not able to understand Hindi (Indian local language) in which language the display names of the email ids are there. So, now what to do at Mailman so that it can also understand local languages or any work around or other alternate solutions for these sort of cases. On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 4:04 PM Shashikanth Komandoor < shashikanth.komandoor(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you Mark for your immediate response. > > The below are the tracebacks I could find in the mailman log. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Jun 17 19:04:08 2021 (8642) Uncaught runner exception: sequence item 0: > expected str instance, Header foundJun 17 19:04:08 2021 (8642) Traceback > (most recent call last): File > "/var/lib/mailman/mailman/src/mailman/core/runner.py", line 173, in > _one_iteration self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) File > "/var/lib/mailman/mailman/src/mailman/core/runner.py", line 266, in > _process_one_file keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File > "/var/lib/mailman/mailman/src/mailman/runners/pipeline.py", line 37, in > _dispose process(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File > "/var/lib/mailman/mailman/src/mailman/core/pipelines.py", line 50, in > process handler.process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File > "/var/lib/mailman/mailman/src/mailman/handlers/avoid_duplicates.py", line > 59, in process addrs = getaddresses(msg.get_all(header, [])) File > "/usr/lib64/python3.6/email/utils.py", line 112, in getaddresses all = > COMMASPACE.join(fieldvalues)TypeError: sequence item 0: expected str > instance, Header foundJun 17 19:04:08 2021 (8642) SHUNTING: > 1623936848.367641+4753f8127953071ddcabfe828ebe72fcf04d0ae2* > > In the shunt file, I see something like this as below in CC while To is > good: > > > > > > > > > *Cc: > =?unknown-8bit?q?=22Support_Zimbra=22_=3Csupport-zimbra=40nic=2Ein=3E=2C?= =?unknown-8bit?b?ICLgpLbgpLDgpKYg4KSu4KS+4KSl4KWB4KSwIC0gU2hhcmFkIE1hdGh1ciIgPHN1cHBvcnQtdmFqcmFAc3VwcG9ydGdvdi5pbj4s?= =?unknown-8bit?b?ICLgpLDgpL7gpJzgpYfgpLYg4KS44KS/4KSC4KS5IC0gUmFqZXNoIFNpbmdoIiA8cmFqc0BuaWMuaW4+LA==?= =?unknown-8bit?b?ICJTYWJ5YXNhY2hpIENob3VkaHVyeSIgPHNhYnlhQG5pYy5pbj4sIG1haWxhZG1pbkBuaWMuaW4s?= =?unknown-8bit?b?ICJNUklUVU5KQVkgS1VNQVIiIDxta0BuaWMuaW4+LCAiQmhyaWd1IEt1bWFyIiA8YmhyaWd1QG5pYy5pbj4s?= =?unknown-8bit?b?ICJPbSBQcmFrYXNoIiA8b3AubmhxQG5pYy5pbj4sICJIYXJpaGFyYW4gTSIgPGhhcmloYXJhbi5tQGdvdi5pbj4s?= =?unknown-8bit?b?ICJQaGlzaGluZyBQaGlzaGluZyIgPHBoaXNoaW5nQG5pYy5pbj4sICJpbmNpZGVudCIgPGluY2lkZW50QG5pYy5pbj4s?= =?unknown-8bit?b?ICJNYW5hdiBSYWtoZWphIiA8bWFuYXYucmFraGVqYUBuaWMuaW4+?=* > > Also, I came to know that two of the recipients in CC block have their > mail ID display name in their local language. While I am not sure, I doubt > if it could be the issue of getting shunted. > > Please confirm and suggest any solution. > > > > On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 8:48 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> On 6/17/21 6:56 AM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: >> > >> > Is there any chance to find out the reason for shunting of the >> > mails through any means ? >> > >> >> >> Look in Mailman's var/logs/mailman.log for the tracebacks associated >> with the shunted messages. >> >> -- >> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, >> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >> > > > -- > Thanks & Regards, > Shashi Kanth.K > 9052671936 > > > > -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

4 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Upgrade

by Darren Smith

Further debugging - using the python3.6 from the virtual environment where mailman is running, it looks like it is trying to use utf-8: >>> import locale >>> import codecs >>> print(locale.getpreferredencoding()) UTF-8 >>> print(codecs.lookup(locale.getpreferredencoding()).name) utf-8 >>> Thoughts? On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 11:29 AM, Darren Smith <silas.crutherton(a)gmail.com> wrote: > By the way, in reading the URL in the error, I attempted to set the LANG > and LC_ALL to en_US.utf8 (as was found in the error) but it still does not > work. > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 11:26 AM, Darren Smith <silas.crutherton(a)gmail.com > > wrote: > >> Nice...spoke too soon. >> >> Mailman info works, but when attempting to start mailman I'm now getting >> this: >> >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/opt/mailman3/conda/bin/mailman", line 11, in <module> >> sys.exit(main()) >> File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", >> line 722, in __call__ >> return self.main(*args, **kwargs) >> File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/core.py", >> line 676, in main >> _verify_python3_env() >> File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/click/_unicodefun.py", >> line 118, in _verify_python3_env >> 'for mitigation steps.' + extra) >> RuntimeError: Click will abort further execution because Python 3 was >> configured to use ASCII as encoding for the environment. Consult >> http://click.pocoo.org/python3/for mitigation steps. >> >> This system lists a couple of UTF-8 supporting locales that >> you can pick from. The following suitable locales where >> discovered: aa_DJ.utf8, aa_ER.utf8, aa_ET.utf8, (followed by a bijillion >> others) >> >> -Darren >> >> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 11:25 AM, Darren Smith < >> silas.crutherton(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Boy howdy did that work... >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 11:22 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 04/16/2018 10:12 AM, Darren Smith wrote: >>>> >>>> > "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/sqlalchemy/ >>>> engine/strategies.py", >>>> > line 160, in create >>>> > engineclass.__name__)) >>>> > TypeError: Invalid argument(s) 'pool_pre_ping' sent to >>>> create_engine(), >>>> > using configuration PGDialect_psycopg2/QueuePool/Engine. Please >>>> check that >>>> > the keyword arguments are appropriate for this combination of >>>> components." >>>> > >>>> > Anyone able to point me where to go to look for a solution for this? >>>> >>>> >>>> You need to update SQLAlchemy to >= 1.2 for this, but there is another >>>> issue that requires at least 1.2.3 (current is 1.2.6) >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, >>>> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Mailman-users mailing list >>>> mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >>>> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >>>> >>> >>> >> >

7 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: cc'd e-mail addresses rewritten with @invalid.domain

by Williams, Peter B

Hi Mark, Thanks for the help with this! Other list members will also see the e-mail as coming from user(a)invalid.domain<mailto:user@invalid.domain>. I will continue testing the other scenarios and will reply back as soon as possible. Thanks again for the help with this and have a nice day! Peter On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 9:00 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: On 9/21/20 10:49 AM, peterbw(a)gmail.com<mailto:peterbw@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > We've recently noticed an issue where users who are cc'd in a message where a mailing list is also within the cc list are getting rewritten a user(a)invalid.domain. > > This issue looks like it may be related to Outlook and how user names are displayed specifically. Here is an example: > > To: test_user(a)gmail.com<mailto:test_user@gmail.com> > cc: listserv(a)lists.test.org<mailto:listserv@lists.test.org>; Williams, Peter; > > "Williams, Peter" maps to a user e-mail in the Outlook Global Address book. When the message is sent the list will send the message with the first name and last name separated, for example the message will appear: > > to: test_user(a)gmail.com<mailto:test_user@gmail.com> > cc: listserv(a)lists.test.org<mailto:listserv@lists.test.org>, Williams(a)invalid.domain, Peter(a)invalid.domain Because apparently Outlook is sending the message with the literal > Cc: listserv(a)lists.test.org<mailto:listserv@lists.test.org>; Williams, Peter; instead of something like > Cc: listserv(a)lists.test.org<mailto:listserv@lists.test.org>, "Williams, Peter" <peters_real_address(a)example.com<mailto:peters_real_address@example.com>> Then some MTA in the chain is seeing the unqualified addresses Williams and Peter and appending its own local domain. > This only seems to happen with users who are cc'd who are also members of the list that is being cc'd. For example in the scenario above my e-mail that is cc'd is also a member of listserv(a)lists.test.org<mailto:listserv@lists.test.org>. In this case, where do you see this? i.e., do other list members see it in the message they receive from the list? I don't know why that would be. I'm certain that Mailman is not involved in this and the Williams(a)invalid.domain and Peter(a)invalid.domain addresses are in the Cc: as received by Mailman. > This issue does not occur if the user e-mail address is listed before the mailing list in the cc field. So for example, if the cc in the scenario above contained Williams, Peter; listserv(a)lists.test.org<mailto:listserv@lists.test.org>; it would route properly. Again, I think this is Outlook. What's in the Cc: of the mail that test_user(a)gmail.com<mailto:test_user@gmail.com> receives directly? What happens if you send mail in this way with To: test_user(a)gmail.com<mailto:test_user@gmail.com> cc: other_user(a)gmail.com<mailto:other_user@gmail.com>; Williams, Peter; Again, what's in the Cc: of the mail that test_user(a)gmail.com<mailto:test_user@gmail.com> and other_user(a)gmail.com<mailto:other_user@gmail.com> receive? Also, please see <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%20is%20not%20Listserv>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net<mailto:mark@msapiro.net>> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org<mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org<mailto:mailman-users-leave@mailman3.org> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

5 years

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