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[MM3-users] Re: Disable user registration

by Torge Riedel

Am 28.03.19 um 18:47 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 3/28/19 10:41 AM, Abhilash Raj wrote: >> Nothing yet, I have some ideas though. Opened a ticket here[1]. >> >> >> [1]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/issues/ > Or https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/issues/23 to get to the > specific issue. > Thank you, I've left a comment to describe my scenario.

6 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Invalid FilterAction: discard. Treating as discard

by Henrik Rasmussen

Mark Sapiro wrote: > and what are the Content-Types of all the subparts? According to "attachment.htm" in "Held Messages", the content type (PDF document) is "<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">" > Presumably, this list was imported from MM 2.1, and the same filtering > would have applied there. That's right > I'll post a follow-up with how to change pass_types via mailman shell > when I work it out. Look forward to that, thanks. -- Henrik Rasmussen

6 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] WSGI: gunicorn and uwsgi

by andrew.bernard＠gmail.com

Using the Ubuntu 19 packages for all the mailman suite, uwsgi is the Python WSGI server included. I have now switched over to a full build from current source from gitlab, following Mark Sapiro's excellent instructions. It would appear that the current code has the use of gunicorn built in. Is gunicorn the preferred way now to run the mailman Django apps? Is it worth spending time converting everything to use uwsgi, or should I go with the flow and use gunicorn? What are the advantages of gunicorn over uwsgi?

6 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius performance with over 1000 pending users

by Nick

On 06/08/19 at 18:06, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > mailman shell -l your.list.id > util = getUtility(IPendings) > for token, data in util.find(mlist=m, pend_type='subscription'): > util.confirm(token, expunge=True) Thanks! In trying to learn more about preventing spam registrations, what methods does Postorius successfully employ to reduce spam signups through the "anonymous_subscribe" form?

6 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: howto reallow a banned email ?

by Nicolas Pettiaux

Le 2019-06-19 6:48, Mark Sapiro a écrit : > On 6/18/19 9:40 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote: >> much thanks. I use mailman 2 interface (and will switch soon to 3) > > This list is for Mailman 3. > > The appropriate list for Mailman 2 questions is > mailman-users(a)python.org > <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>. much thanks. Sorry !

6 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Confirmation for subscriptions

by Andrew Bernard

Hi Mark, Happens for any user subscribing by web or email. Setting to 'Moderate' works fine. Andrew On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 at 04:06, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 6/23/19 7:24 AM, andrew.bernard(a)gmail.com wrote: > > Suddenly stopped working. For all the lists I have created, suddenly the > confirm setting is ignored for subscriptions and users are subscribed right > away. > > > I assume you are looking at the Postorius List Settings -> Subscription > Policy. That should reflect the setting in core. > > How are these users requesting subscription/being subscribed? > > >

6 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to see post headers

by Andrew Bernard

Gzip file. Sorry for my casual mistake. Andrew On 13/7/19 11:01 am, Mark Sapiro wrote: > It's not a zip file, it's a gzip file. What are you trying to open it with? >

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Delete a single email or thread from hyperkitty archive

by Andrew Bernard

On 16/07/2019 9:22 am, Mark Sapiro wrote: > You are looking at a thread view. To see a message view, follow the > "Permalink for this message" link at the bottom of the message (the > chain-link icon to the right of the up/down votes and the "A' icons). > > Or you can go to the URL in the Archived-At: header in the email message > received from the list. Ah! Thanks Mark. Solved. Andrew

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty reply indent

by Andrew Bernard

On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 09:18, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > I thought that demographic didn't use email either, not to mention email > lists. (Maybe that's why the default phone email clients all suck.) > Yeah. And now they tell me they want an app on the phone for the list. Of Android mail clients, I recently found K9 Mail. The lists look good in that program. Andrew

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Show diplay_name in a list

by Joel Lord

On 9/29/19 5:59 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> Any idea what I was missing there? > Often, member.display_name doesn't exist or is "None". This seems to also be the problem that I submitted a while back (6 months ago?) that the notification to the moderator of subscription requests, which should include both display name and email address of the requestor, only has the email address. We've been trying to track the problem down in code but it keeps going deeper and deeper... -- Joel Lord Web Administrator, Alpha Psi Omega Grand Cast etc... etc... etc...

6 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Search problem in 3.2.1?

by Mark Dadgar

On Oct 23, 2019, at 7:48 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > I haven't tried Xapian. On mail.python.org, I dont recall how many total > messages there were at the time I switched from Whoosh to ElasticSearch, > but a full index rebuild with Whoosh would take several hours, whereas > ElasticSearch took about 10 minutes. ElasticSearch has been indexing for ~36 hours now. /var/lib/elasticsearch is currently 5.5GB. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

6 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: bounces with empty message-id

by Peter Münster

On Tue, Jan 30 2018, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Mailman is not processing bounces other than storing them in the > database. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/343>. Hi, It seems, that the content (the body) of the bounce-message is not stored. How could I please get and see the content? TIA for any hints, -- Peter

6 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character

by Marvin Gülker

Am 11. Dezember 2019 um 11:48 Uhr -0800 schrieb Mark Sapiro: >I get a Forbidden status on that URL. Oops. cp copied the file permissions and I didn't check. Should work now. -- Blog: https://mg.guelker.eu

6 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: *** SPAM *** Re: bounces with empty message-id

by Peter Münster

On Wed, Dec 11 2019, Mark Sapiro wrote: > You need to tweek your MTA to copy -bounces mail to you or just send > them to you since they aren't processed anyway. Thanks, it was much simpler, than I guessed: virtual_alias_domains takes precedence over relay_recipient_maps, so I only needed to add some lines to /etc/postfix/virtual. -- Peter

6 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Handling of SPAM mails in mailman3 - Do not append original mail to moderation mail

by Torge Riedel

Am 18.01.20 um 19:45 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > The best way to report a bug, feature request, issue, etc is to use the > trackers at gitlab.com. In the case of Mailman core, this is > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues> Hi Mark, just opened a new issue: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/670 Best regards Torge

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: Mass subscribe gives HTTP Error 500 when using custom template

by Jeffrey D

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 1/28/20 6:15 AM, Jeffrey D wrote: > > What is your setting in settings(_local).py for > POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL? It looks like you have the default > POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://localhost:8000' > It should be the base URL for connecting to Postorius. I.e., if you > normally connect to Postorius via https://www.example.com/postorius, it > should be https://www.example.com Thanks, changing the POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL fixing the issue.

5 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Your Dashboard

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > There's no overall dashboard per se. The message actually refers to > whatever web UI you use to manage the list. The default template > for this message is non-specific because it comes from Mailman > core, and core doesn't know if you are using Postorius or some > other web management system or non at all, and even if it were to > assume Postorius, it doesn't know the URL. IMO, we should fix this, similar to the way we deal with archives (provide a callback API so the webmin(s) can tell us where it is (they are)). WDYT? Steve

5 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Uncaught runner exception

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > Whether this is something you did wrong s/wrong/accidentally/ :-) > or an issue with whatever init/systemd scripts run these things, I > can't say. Maybe there's a way we can check the account running mailman, sort of a runtime check_perms. I doubt suid is a good idea, but maybe a warning? Steve

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Different Mail Domain Cause Key Error

by Brian Carpenter

On 4/21/20 4:53 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > The issue is the FILTER_VHOST = True setting is broken. Thanks Mark. I was wondering how this would turn out using the FILTER_VHOST setting. Unfortunately we have to have this setting turned on. Maybe I can get the client to agree to use the web domain as part of their list address. Appreciate your help as always! Stay healthy. -- Please let me know if you need further assistance. Thank you for your business. We appreciate our clients. Brian Carpenter EMWD.com -- EMWD's Knowledgebase: https://clientarea.emwd.com/index.php/knowledgebase EMWD's Community Forums http://discourse.emwd.com/

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Can't open PID file after start.

by Torge Riedel

Am 22.04.20 um 17:13 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > It's normal and just info. The key is "yet?" The [Service] section in > Mailman's systemd service file references /opt/mailman/var/master.pid as > PIDFile and systemd looks for it before Mailman has created it. Hi Mark, thanks for your answer. Best Torge

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: FILTER_VHOST fix - was: Postorius & multi domain

by Gilles Filippini

Mark Sapiro a écrit le 23/04/2020 à 20:02 : > On 4/23/20 10:27 AM, Gilles Filippini wrote: >> >> You'll have also to remove the compiled files from the __pycache__ >> directory: > > > This is not necessary. If the .py file is newer than the .pyc file in > the __pycache__ directory, the interpreter will use the .py file and if > it has permission will rewrite the .pyc file. Indeed, if it has permission. When testing in user space it does not have permission. These files are owned by root. _g.

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 vs postfix

by Ralf Wiegand

(venv-3.6) [root@empire mailman]# django-admin createsuperuser No Django settings specified. Unknown command: 'createsuperuser' Type 'django-admin help' for usage. (venv-3.6) [root@empire mailman]# django-admin help Type 'django-admin help <subcommand>' for help on a specific subcommand. Available subcommands: [django] check compilemessages createcachetable dbshell diffsettings dumpdata flush inspectdb loaddata makemessages makemigrations migrate runserver sendtestemail shell showmigrations sqlflush sqlmigrate sqlsequencereset squashmigrations startapp startproject test testserver Note that only Django core commands are listed as settings are not properly configured (error: Requested setting INSTALLED_APPS, but settings are not configured. You must either define the environment variable DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE or call settings.configure() before accessing settings.). On 4/28/20 3:35 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > django-admin createsuperuser

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 vs postfix

by Ralf Wiegand

Good morning mark, still not working. Not sure what the issue is. (venv-3.6) [root@empire mailman-suite_project]# django-admin --pythonpath /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project --setting settings createsuperuser No Django settings specified. Unknown command: '--pythonpath' Type 'django-admin help' for usage. (venv-3.6) [root@empire mailman-suite_project]# Ralf On 4/28/20 4:23 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 4/28/20 1:18 PM, Ralf Wiegand wrote: >> Mark - I have a hard time following this. >> >> /path/to/where/your/settings/are located >> >> what settings? what do I am looking for? > Based on the traceback from another post: > > --pythonpath /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project > --settings settings.py >

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 vs postfix

by Ralf Wiegand

hey Mark, that worked. Thank YOU. Got one step ahead. So after creating a admin account and logging in via the GUI, I get this error message: IntegrityError at /accounts/login/ UNIQUE constraint failed: account_emailaddress.email Request Method: POST Request URL: http://192.168.0.27:8000/accounts/login/ Django Version: 2.2.12 Exception Type: IntegrityError Exception Value: UNIQUE constraint failed: account_emailaddress.email Exception Location: /opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/db/backends/sqlite3/base.py in execute, line 383 Python Executable: /opt/mailman/venv-3.6/bin/python Python Version: 3.6.8 What does this mean? Thx, ralf On 4/29/20 10:19 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > django-admin createsuperuser \ > --pythonpath /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project \ > --settings settings

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installation Wooes

by Andrew Hodgson

Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >On 5/2/20 12:51 AM, Samir Faci wrote: >> A few questions about an Ubuntu install. >> >> i'm getting this behavior: >> AttributeError: module 'time' has no attribute 'clock' >> I'm on python 3.8.2 >It time.clock() went away in Python 3.8. Mailman versions older than >3.3.0 are not compatible with Python 3.8. You need to upgrade Mailman core. I think this is a bug in Ubuntu 20.04. Python3 package is: Python3 3.8.2-0ubuntu2 https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=focal&keywords=python3 Mailman3 is: 3.2.2-1 https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=focal&keywords=mailman3 Andrew.

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Handling of Mail from non-subscribers

by Peter Adebahr

On 5/9/20 1:55 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> "Hold for moderation" has been set. > > Set in "Default action to take when a non-member posts to the list"? yep > > If that is the case, find the non-member in Users -> Non-Members and it does'nt show up there, "list has no nonmembers"

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Handling of Mail from non-subscribers

by Peter Adebahr

On 5/9/20 4:39 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > The fix is to patch your Mailman installation with the changes at > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/552/diffs?commit_id=ea0…>. > As Ubuntu's version is 3.2.2, not 3.3, the full patch did no apply cleanly, but > > x = random.random() + right_now % 1.0 + time.clock() % 1.0 > to > x = random.random() + right_now % 1.0 + time.process_time() % 1.0 > > in mailman/utilities/uid.py. > this was the solution :)))))))))) Great support, Mark - Thank you very much! Best regards, Peter

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Weird hourly indexing error

by Brian Carpenter

On 5/13/20 3:24 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > DigitalOcean also hosts the server that supports all the @python.org > email including hundreds of Mailman 2 and 3 lists. You can also get a > credit with DigitalOcean by following the link at the bottom of > <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/>. How can I get the Mailman developers to promote my Mailman hosting services? -- Please let me know if you need further assistance. Thank you for your business. We appreciate our clients. Brian Carpenter EMWD.com -- EMWD's Knowledgebase: https://clientarea.emwd.com/index.php/knowledgebase EMWD's Community Forums http://discourse.emwd.com/

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Github auth deprecated API

by Quanah Gibson-Mount

--On Thursday, May 14, 2020 9:41 AM -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > It is fixed in the django-allauth GitHub repository by > <https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/pull/2458> > > You can apply the patch from that PR to your django-allauth installation > to fix this. tyvm! --Quanah -- Quanah Gibson-Mount Product Architect Symas Corporation Packaged, certified, and supported LDAP solutions powered by OpenLDAP: <http://www.symas.com>

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: New releases

by Danil Smirnov

On Tue, 9 Jun 2020 at 19:01, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > I'm not sure about the above error. > > 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}' > > is defined in `settings` COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS, but it is a command to > be run as part of `django-admin compress`, not a module to be imported. > > Possibly running `django-admin compress` before starting Hyperkitty > would have avoided this. > Well, if I run "./manage.py compress" in the mailman-web container, I'm getting CommandError: Offline compression is disabled. Set COMPRESS_OFFLINE or use the --force to override. Danil

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: New releases

by Danil Smirnov

On Tue, 9 Jun 2020 at 20:23, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > Do you have settings like > > > COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = ( > > ('text/x-scss', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), > > ('text/x-sass', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), > > ) > I have COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = ( ('text/less', 'lessc {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-scss', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), ('text/x-sass', 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}'), ) > > COMPRESS_OFFLINE = True > > COMPRESS_ENABLED = True > These two are commented out. Danil

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Weird hourly indexing error

by Mark Dadgar

On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > I suspect the issue here is the 'weirdness' is in the Subject: rather > than the message body. The script we were using only looked at the body. [snip] > There's probably a reply there somewhere that has the Subject: but > didn't quote the bad stuff in the body. That fixed it. It took a couple of passes with various multiples of zero-width spaces, but the archive finally completely indexed. Thanks! - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: manage.py runjobs hourly

by Mark Dadgar

On Jun 11, 2020, at 1:33 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > Those messages depend on system load. Sometimes you'll see bunches of > them and sometimes (at least on mail.python.org which is the most busy > server I am involved with) you won't see any for up to a week or longer. > > Run > > django-admin qifno > > to get the current django q stats. Roger that. Ignore, it is. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: User settings triggers error

by Mark Dadgar

On Jun 16, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > This looks like another manifestation of the issue reported at > https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/issues/35 and > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > If you are running django-mailman3 1.3.3 and haven't upgraded to > django-mailman3 1.3.4, see the above list post for a workaround. I am running whatever the current ubuntu packages are (for the moment - my Postgres migrations was in preparation to move to something more current). I will try the cache clear and see what happens. Thanks, Mark. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: User settings triggers error

by Mark Dadgar

On Jun 28, 2020, at 6:13 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > I don't know about the failure. That probably is due to the version > mismatch. The malformation is my fault. There should be an empty line > following the last line. > > You didn't say what your HyperKitty version is, but here's a patch > against 1.3.0. If this doesn't work, you could just try patching it by hand. OK, the patch against 1.3.0 appears to be working. Thank you. > I'm going fishing tomorrow so I won't be here much longer. > Enjoy the fishing! - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Creating new lists

by Gilles Filippini

Mark Sapiro a écrit le 19/07/2020 à 16:44 : > On 7/19/20 7:19 AM, Gilles Filippini wrote: >> Brian Carpenter a écrit le 19/07/2020 à 15:58 : >>> >>> I believe you need to grant them superuser status in order to create >>> lists. That can be accomplish via the Django admin panel: > ...> >> It works. Thanks! But then what is the purpose of being a domain owner? > > Domain owners should be able to create lists in their domains, but > that's not available yet. See > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/291>. Thanks! _g.

5 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Announce Only List

by Quanah Gibson-Mount

--On Friday, August 14, 2020 2:14 PM -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > Or leave everyone's moderation action at list default and post with an > Approved: <password> (pseodo)header. See > <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rules/d > ocs/approved.html>. For the OpenLDAP announce list, we set it so emergency moderation is in effect, no one is allowed to post to it without specific approval. ;) --Quanah -- Quanah Gibson-Mount Product Architect Symas Corporation Packaged, certified, and supported LDAP solutions powered by OpenLDAP: <http://www.symas.com>

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem with list creation

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 9/16/20 8:25 AM, Pawel Grzywaczewski wrote: > > We increased timeout in mailman.cfg This looks like the issue in Shashikanth's post, too: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… They are also creating more than 1000 lists. Do we know why these timeouts are happening? (Search for "list creation times out" returns no results in either core or Postorius issues.)

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Template path

by Seth Seeger

> On Sep 17, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > Something appears to be trying to connect to REST on port 8000 I found this (older) email: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… that does say that the POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL should be “http://mailman-web:8000” Seth

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Office365 posts shunted (authres.core.SyntaxError)

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > I think that's fine. Also, you should look at > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/765>. I agree with Mark. I was pretty sure something like that would work, but I haven't looked at the code in a while, so didn't know exactly where to patch. I'll take a look at it tomorrow, and see if I can spot any edge cases, but that's probably as simple as it looks. Steve

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Unable to remove non-member

by Brian Carpenter

On 9/29/20 12:40 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Is that all it said? The code says it is > > The user could not be removed: <error message> > > Where <error message> is the relevant HTTP error. It says: The user could not be removed: Nothing comes after the colon. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Unable to remove non-member

by Brian Carpenter

On 9/29/20 1:18 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I see the issue. when mailmanclient processes the delete request from > Postorius it calls the REST API DELETE method with the URL > lists/<listname>/<role>/<address> and the address is `quoted` with > urllib.parse.quote_plus, co in this case, the URL becomes > lists/<listname>/nonmember/z_email%2Fdomain.org.za(a)domain.org.za > > This is all fine except the REST API doesn't call > urllib.parse.unquote_plus to change the %2F back to slash. This is now > reported at<https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/774>. Thanks Mark! -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Various patches for mm3 stable 3.3.1

by Brian Carpenter

On 9/30/20 11:52 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> 2. I would find the postorius UI much easier to cope with if the >> default template was 'populated' into the UI wherever it was non-blank, >> rather than the UI starting off as if no templates were defined at all. Our Affinity admin interface does that: Affinity Template -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Adding members to a mailman3 mailing list

by Onyeibo Oku

On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 08:08:58 -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > Since you are running the command as user `mailman`, the file must be > readable by that user. Is it? > ls -hl members.txt: -rw-rw-r--. 1 mailman mailman 78 Oct 14 16:15 members.txt See file permissions and ownership above. Unless mailman3 expects a certain Selinux context. -- Onyeibo

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Adding members to a mailman3 mailing list

by Onyeibo Oku

On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 08:08:58 -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > Since you are running the command as user `mailman`, the file must be > readable by that user. Is it? > This question inspired me to run mailman3 directly. It worked! However, I had to execute mailman3 from: /usr/libexec/mailman3/mailman rather than: /usr/bin/mailman3 (or just, ... mailman3). What is the recommended way to run mailman3 please?

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Adding members to a mailman3 mailing list

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > In my case, the `mailman` command I run invokes a bash file that looks like > > #!/bin/bash > exec /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/mailman \ > -C "/opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg" \ > $@ IIRC shell scripts have a race condition, although I don't recall the conditions under which it's exploitable. Perhaps SELinux is sensitive to that. I don't really see how we can take responsibility for such issues except to document it as one user's experience.

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Member Issue Discovered

by Brian Carpenter

On 10/19/20 10:23 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > And the import21 created the user and address records for this user. Does the same thing for a new subscriber as well. So there is no pathway to change a real name that is associated with an email address. None. Zilch. Mailman 2 made this so easy and Mailman 3 made it impossible. I will let someone else file the bug report. You don't really think that this is an issue which means it will be years before it is addressed. So I will save me some time. I will learn to live with it. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman import21

by Brian Carpenter

On 10/11/20 11:40 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > As I said, (msg|digest)_(header|footer) are MM 2.1 list attributes, not > templates. Those, and I think only those, are converted to > var/templates/lists/listname/lc/ templates by import21. I forgot to say thank you for the above information. That makes sense of what I am seeing with imports. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Member Issue Discovered

by Mark Dadgar

On Oct 20, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > Even in mailman 2.1, while a list admin could go to a user's options > page for the list and change things, the "change globally" check boxes > only worked for the user, not for the list admin. That was by design!? As an admin, that was so irritating. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: migration from 2.1 - owners and moderators

by Alex Schuilenburg

On 24/10/2020 19:29, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Those are Django tasks and don't affect this. You also need to run > `mailman digests --periodic` to send periodic digests (see > <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/d…>) > and `mailman notify` to send periodic moderator notices (see > <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/d…>). Thanks for reminding me I need to upgrade :-) 3.2.1 Does not have "notify" I'll wager that the sporadic notification messages are down to this version, so upgrading just bumped up my todo. -- Alex

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: AttributeError: 'MailingList' object has no attribute 'get_requests_count'

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > I think the issue is your mailmanclient is too old. The version of > Postorius you are running requires mailmanclient >3.3.1 which is only > available from GitLab <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailmanclient>. > > What version of Postorius is this? It appears to be >1.3.3. If you > install Postorius from unreleased code on GitLab, you have to install > all of mailman, mailmanclient and django-mailman3 as well. Shouldn't Postorius's setup.py be checking for this? Steve

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Member Issue Discovered

by Brian Carpenter

On 10/28/20 5:05 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Why do you keep bringing this up? The current design of Mailman core > does not remove the user when the user unsubscribes from a list, even if > it is their only subscription. We know you don't like this behavior, but > there are reasons for it. > > On the other hand, when a user removes their account, the circumstance > is different and we do remove the user's information in this case > because that's what the user asked for. Just clarifying Mark. I was surprised by your answer that's all. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: warning: database postfix_domains.db is older than source file postfix_domains

by Torge Riedel

Am 28.10.20 um 20:09 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > What does your systemd mailman.service script contain for ExecReload? ExecReload=/opt/mailman/core/bin/mailman.sh restart > What crons run at the time of the anomalous timestamps? I checked that and came to the idea, that there might by a reboot of the machine at that time. Maybe it is caused by start mailman & postfix at the same time or not in the "correct" order (postfix first, then mailman)? Kind regards Torge

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Django errors after deleting a thread

by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au

>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> writes: On 11/24/20 12:45 PM, peter(a)chubb.wattle.id.au wrote: >> E.g. Internal Server Error: >> /hyperkitty/list/list@domain/top-threads Mark> This should resolve itself eventually if you are running the Mark> Django periodic jobs, but to fix it you can manually run Mark> your_django_admin_command runjob recent_threads_cache Mark> which is a daily job which refreshes the recent threads cache. That did it. BTW thankyou *very* much for being so responsive on this mailing list. It's much appreciated. Peter C

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailmansuite.log Entries

by Brian Carpenter

On 12/1/20 8:22 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Those come from the HyperKitty sync_mailman job which is run by > hyperkitty_import if you don't specify --no-sync-mailman, but is also > one of the Django daily jobs. Ok but those number are the same for thousands of entries and apparently are being logged for weeks. That can't be good. How does one fix this? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Moderated Signup with "info" box?

by Brian Carpenter

On 12/7/20 11:15 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 12/7/20 7:55 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> Thank you for the clarification. I did not know that. Is that made clear >> in the documentation? > > See > <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/…>. > > Thanks Mark! -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: troubleshooting hyperkitty

by Morris Jones

On 12/10/2020 8:21 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: BTW, is archiving enabled for the list? See Postorius -> Settings -> Archiving. Good thought, it's set to "Public archives" But there's something ominous just below that setting, a headline that says "Active archivers" with no value beside it. Mojo -- Morris Jones, Monrovia, CA [1]BridgeMojo [2]Old Town Sidewalk Astronomers [3]Mojo's Blog References 1. http://bridgemojo.com/ 2. http://otastro.org/ 3. http://mojo.whiteoaks.com/

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: required cron entries?

by Andreas Barth

* Mark Sapiro (mark(a)msapiro.net) [201231 19:28]: > On 12/31/20 2:49 AM, Andreas Barth wrote: > > Looking in the source code, there is a ./cron/crontab.in.in however > > references to scripts in port_me/ directory. > > That's all old Mailman 2.1 stuff. ignore it. Can we replace that by a mailman3 cron tab? (I'm happy to write that as merge request if useful, but I assume that should be done rather by opening a bug report and using gitlabs features and not inline per mail) Andi

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: required cron entries?

by Andreas Barth

* Mark Sapiro (mark(a)msapiro.net) [210102 01:07]: > I think the real solution is to just remove the mailman/cron directory > and at least some of the mailman/port_me/ files. The cron/crontab.in.in > file is just a distraction. Well, or replace it with just a README.rst pointing to the web page (having something called "cron" in the source tree doesn't sound like a mistake to me). Regards, Andi

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: required cron entries?

by Andreas Barth

* Mark Sapiro (mark(a)msapiro.net) [210102 00:40]: > Do you mean you have messages in the shunt queue that were shunted > because of this error? yes (but my mail was just "I have the rare case where it isn't spam" :) ) > If so, just running Mailman's `mailman unshunt` command should reprocess > and deliver those. Yes, thanks, that's what I already understood from your last mail and did (after removing duplicates). Thanks for all for your great help. Andi

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: Header Filter madness

by Brian Carpenter

Mark Sapiro wrote: > > What's in the X-Mailman-Rule-* headers of the post that should be > but > isn't held? > Are there other header filter rules besides the one that doesn't work? This is what the client provided me: X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-listname.listdomain.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; suspicious-header

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: How to approve moderated messages via email?

by Brian Carpenter

Thanks Mark. On 1/22/21 3:45 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 1/22/21 11:16 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> What is the protocol to approve moderated messages via email? I hope I >> asking the question correctly. >> > > You can't. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/169> > -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: Module Not Found Error after update

by Brian Carpenter

On 2/4/21 11:46 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > You need django-mailman3 1.3.5 > > > While all are not required in this case, when you upgrade like this with > pip, you should upgrade all of django-mailman3, hyperkitty, mailman, > mailmanclient, mailman-hyperkitty and postorius. Thanks Mark. Perhaps Abhilash can include that in the instructions on the following page for future releases: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… I will make a note of this in my own personal documentation and the Debian 10 How-to guide that I am currently working on. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Sync list members

by Brian Carpenter

On 2/7/21 6:13 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/7/21 2:44 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Outside of using the REST API, are there any other ways to sync a >> Mailman 3 roster with a file that contains list members? > > If I understand correctly what you mean, see the `mailman syncmembers > --help`. > Thanks Mark. That is EXACTLY what I was needing. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius upgrade issue

by Joel Lord

Well, for a change that was an easy fix... Thanks! On 2/8/2021 6:47 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/8/21 3:38 PM, Joel Lord wrote: >> So I tried to do this after upgrading, fortunately only from 1 point >> release back, and I get "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named >> 'paintstore'" from the collectstatic. > > > Do you still have 'paintstore' in INSTALLED_APPS in your Django settings? > -- Joel Lord

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderator Approval Subscription template

by Brian Carpenter

On 2/8/21 9:27 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > That is an issue because the expanded template is filled and wrapped at > column 70 with mailman.utilities.string.wrap(). > > However, you can avoid wrapping the URL by preceding it in the template > with a space. Something like Mark, you are a beautiful person. Thank you. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Reason for Shunting

by Brian Carpenter

On 2/9/21 5:25 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/9/21 2:03 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> Is there a way to determine why a message keeps ending up in the shunt >> queue? >> > > Look in mailman.log for the `SHUNTING` message and the traceback that > immediately preceeds it. Thanks Mark. The reason was: Feb 09 16:40:11 2021 (2614) Uncaught runner exception: Multiple rows were found for one_or_none() sqlalchemy.orm.exc.MultipleResultsFound: Multiple rows were found for one_or_none() Feb 09 16:40:11 2021 (2614) SHUNTING: 1612906811.2642436+cd8e97a66b6d0c2b73c2adde71a4914108c3e673 I have no idea what that means. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problems with web interface after upgrade

by Victoriano Giralt

De: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> > On 2/9/21 11:11 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> >> So I am pretty sure you are going to need to install something like Dart >> Sass. Perhaps the following thread might be helpful: :-( Thanks Brian > Or, on recent Debian/Ubuntu at least, just > ``` > apt install sassc > ``` Thanks Mark! It's CentOS7, but sassc was already installed and has -t as short for --style. Mailman+Postorius+Hyperkitty were humming smoothly until I did the upgrade. We need another idea ... -- Victoriano Giralt Sent from mobile device

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderation Action Changed After Import

by Brian Carpenter

On 2/12/21 3:14 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > It seems you imported to an existing list with import21. This is > probably not a good idea. > > Those members who were moderated members of the MM 2.1 list will have > their moderation action set to Hold, Reject or Discard based on the 2.1 > list setting. I don't understand. Does not the import21 script require the Mailman 3 list to be created first? The Mailman 3 list was new with no members when I ran the import script. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderation Action Changed After Import

by Brian Carpenter

On 2/12/21 5:38 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > However, to address your concern, As far as I know, import21 is doing > the right thing. If you want to send me the config.pck you imported, I > can try to verify that. Thanks Mark. I will get that off to you sometime tomorrow. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Unknown templates being used

by Brian Carpenter

On 2/14/21 8:15 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I agree and appreciate that Brian is very supportive. In my initial > reply, it was not clear to me that Brian had referred you here which is > the only reason I pointed out that he was your primary line of support. It really didn't matter as the question by Tom was clearly related to Mailman 3 and not to Affinity. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Imported Digest Settings

by Brian Carpenter

On 2/16/21 6:13 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/16/21 2:28 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> The beginning of my OP stated I was using Mailman 3.3.3. > Then please get me a copy of the complete raw digest message so I can > try to find the underlying issue. > Not sure how to do that. Do you mean have the list member forward their garbled digest message to me? Is that what you need? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: archiving problem & updates

by Brian Carpenter

On 2/19/21 1:13 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I'm not sure what causes Request Entity Too Large, but I suspect it is a > very large message body. You can examine the messages in > var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ with Mailman's `bin/mailman qfile` > command, but I suspect the problem is caused by the largest of the > files. You can just move it aside, and that should allow archiving to > resume. I believe that is a NGINX error message. The following link has more information: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-unix-bsd-nginx-413-request-entity-too-l… -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/direttivo@catania.linux.it/top-threads

by blackout69

Il 01/03/21 00:39, Mark Sapiro ha scritto: > On 2/28/21 3:34 PM, blackout69 wrote: > > > What happened to the posts that were sent and not delivered. are they in > Mailman's var/queue/shunt/ queue? Are there errors reported in Mailman's > mailman.log? No errors in my mailman.log After restarting the mailman3 and mailman3-web services, the posts arrived regularly. -- blackout69

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/direttivo@catania.linux.it/top-threads

by blackout69

Il 01/03/21 01:22, Mark Sapiro ha scritto: > On 2/28/21 4:00 PM, blackout69 wrote: > So the posts must have been in one of Mailman's queues (maybe `in` or > `pipeline`, not `out` unless the messages were successfully archived > before the restart) and the corresponding runner was hung or gone. There > should be some indication in mailman.log if a runner died. mailman.log does not report anything about the dead runner. However I would like to know where I find the status of the various runners (in, pipeline and out)Thank you -- blackout69

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Domain ownership issues

by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au

>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> writes: Mark> This is still very much a work in progress. Currently domain Mark> owners can (I think) create domain specific templates, but they Mark> can't create lists in their domains. So is there any way to delegate list creation? Or does the site owner always have to do it? Peter C

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: statistics monitoring for Mailman3

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 3/11/21 7:03 PM, Mohsen Masoudfar wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I am wondering if there is a monitoring application available for > > Mailman3 to display statistics about the number of emails send > > for each maillist. There was a Systers "dashboard" project, but it was mostly aimed at subscribers. Statistics were mentioned, but I don't recall if they were implemented in a systematic way. Steve

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Five Year Old Issue

by Brian Carpenter

On 3/14/21 9:25 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 3/14/21 5:51 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> So this means the fix will show up in the next stable release? > > Yes, the fix is committed to gitlab and will be in the next release of > Mailman core to PyPI. > > Thanks Mark! That should make one of my clients very happy. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: statistics monitoring for Mailman3

by Seth Seeger

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, at 11:32 AM, Seth Seeger wrote: > > > On Mar 12, 2021, at 12:10 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > > You inspired me. See <https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/smtp_report>. > > I get the following error: > > File "./smtp_report", line 44 > print(f' {lname}: {tot}') > ^ > SyntaxError: invalid syntax > > I'm running python3 (3.5.3), and I'm afraid I don't know enough python > to know what's wrong. My wife fixed it! f-strings don't show up until Python 3.6. She rewrote the two print statements as: print(' ' + lname + ': ' + str(tot)) Seth

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: CC header

by Brian Carpenter

On 3/18/21 3:02 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Yes. Header filters can be set on any header. You specify the header to > match on and the regexp to match with. The header can be anything, even > say `x-never-heard-of` in which case the match will be against any > `X-Never-Heard-Of:` (case insensitive) header that happens to be in the > message Thanks Mark. That is good to know. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem with redirection when entering alias without a / at the end

by Jens Günther

I did have the first setting, yes. The second one no, but activated it now, no change. Am 20.03.21 um 00:00 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > I don't use uwsgi so I can't advise on its configuration, but do you have > > USE_X_FORWARDED_HOST = True > SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER = ('HTTP_X_FORWARDED_PROTO', 'https') > > in your Django settings?

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem with redirection when entering alias without a / at the end

by Jens Günther

Mh, actually I don't know, what you mean. I only do have one config-file and that's the one I posted :-( ((Probably I should update the suite to 3.3.3 before continuing to figure out what's wrong. I just thought before installing everything to run with the stable one provided by Debian, seems that it wasn't the best idea :-) )) Am 20.03.21 um 02:25 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > > How about the actual uwsgi config. Maybe something like /etc/uwsgi.ini > > See https://uwsgi-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Configuration.html > >

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Rejection Reason for refusing a subscription request

by Brian Carpenter

On 3/27/21 6:42 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Ooops, Abhilash is correct. I have a bad habit of focusing on what's in > the body of a post and sometimes missing relevant info in the subject. > Sorry. Ok, can you or Abhilash reply to my previous questions. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty download mbox

by Andrew Hodgson

Mark Sapiro wrote: >``` >msg["Message-ID"] = "<%s>" % re.sub('[ <>\r\n]', '', self.message_id) >``` Thanks that did the trick. Will this need to go in the upstream release or is there any way I could re-import those messages into the database with a newer version of the import command from the original mbox from 2.1 to fix this? Thanks. Andrew.

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Sad news - Brian Carpenter

by smorytko＠gmail.com

https://www.tributearchive.com/obituaries/21066847/Brian-Keith-Carpenter/wa… I mentioned some "unfortunate circumstances" in a recent post. An inquiry from Mark Sapiro prompted me to do a search and I sadly found this. Brian's company managed our list and on 4/22 we became aware that he was hospitalized with Covid. Rest in peace Brian. Steve Morytko

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Sad news - Brian Carpenter

by blackout69

Il 12/05/21 21:45, smorytko(a)gmail.com ha scritto: > https://www.tributearchive.com/obituaries/21066847/Brian-Keith-Carpenter/wa… > I mentioned some "unfortunate circumstances" in a recent post. An inquiry from Mark Sapiro prompted me to do a search and I sadly found this. > Brian's company managed our list and on 4/22 we became aware that he was hospitalized with Covid. > Rest in peace Brian. I knew Brian from this list. I read his posts with great interest because I considered him a person of great competence and seriousness. We will miss him very much. Rest in peace Brian. 😞 -- blackout69

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: OS upgrade - anything to take care of?

by Torge Riedel

Am 13.05.21 um 21:06 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On the other hand, if the symlinks in the venv are to things like > /usr/bin/python3 and /usr/lib/python3 which used to point to 3.6 > versions and after upgrade point to 3.8 versions, it should just work. Hi, yes, that is the case on the machine I already upgraded. But I looked to all directories in venv and saw some "non-symlinked" python 3.6 stuff. So I will go the "new venv" approach Andrew mentioned. Just to be safe. Kind regards Torge

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /accounts/login/

by Mark Dadgar

On May 18, 2021, at 7:58 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > In case you haven't done it, I think just deleting one of the addresses > (the non-primary one) in Django's Email Addresses section will solve > your issue. Yes, it did! Thanks for the help, as always. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Bounce counter visibility for List Admins

by Mark Dadgar

On May 19, 2021, at 8:41 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > In the next release of Mailman core (3.3.5), lists will have a > `bounce_notify_owner_on_bounce_increment` setting which if True, will > send to the list admins a notice including the triggering DSN when a > user's bounce score is incremented. This setting will also be exposed in > Postorius 1.3.5. That’s great news. This is a pain point for me as well. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Getting connection timed out

by blackout69

Il 23/05/21 01:21, Mark Sapiro ha scritto: > Can you successfully telnet to port 25 on mail.simail.it from the > Mailman server? No > If you can connect (via telnet) to port 25 on mail.simail.it from the > Mailman server, then I'd suggest stopping and restarting Postfix. if i try from the mail server i get telnet mail.simail.it 25 Trying 217.27.113.30... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out while if I try from my computer telnet mail.simail.it 25 Trying 217.27.113.30... Connected to mail.simail.it. Escape character is '^]'. 220 mail.simail.it ESMTP ready. quit 221 mail.simail.it closing connection Connection closed by foreign host. -- blackout69

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to store additional information about lists?

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > As far as I know, none of this has ever been migrated to Mailman 3. It has been migrated to Mailman 3, there were at least two related GSoC projects, and the repo was on GitHub, but it's not at the same URL now. Not sure if they've stopped using it, I haven't mentored there for four or five years. Let me look around. Steve

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 generates long lines?

by Andreas Barth

* Mark Sapiro (mark(a)msapiro.net) [210623 15:34]: > We would need to see the email itself in order to begin to > understand if this is a Mailman issue or some issue withe the mail > as received by Mailman. > > Assuming the prototype archiver is enabled, you should be able to > find the messages in Mailman's var/archives/prototype/LIST/new/ > directory. One question, in order to ease debugging, can I forcefully activate the prototype archiver from the global configuration, or do I need to do that on a per-list basis? Andi

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Is it possible to grant all users the ability to Create List

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > It would be simple enough to create a new @staff_required decorator > which would require staff or superuser status and replace the > @superuser_required decorator on the list_new() function with > @staff_required. Then any user with `staff` status could create lists. This simple scheme would allow them to create lists on any domain, right? Probably would not want to enable it on multi-domain sites. Steve

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius no connection to REST API

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

On 10/8/21 4:24, Mark Sapiro wrote: > It appears from the rest of your post(s) that you are actually using > mod_wsgi and (hopefully) not running uwsgi at all. You're completely right, as always. My apologies for the noise --

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installation -- error on mailman-web migrate

by Mark Dale

> On 9/16/21 8:11 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Actually, upon reflection, the paths in the doc will work as var_dir only affects Mailman core and the settings.py file is for Django. What's missing is that you would need to create the directories `/opt/mailman/web/` and `/opt/mailman/web/logs` manually. > > Thanks. And done. root@mx:/opt/mailman# mkdir web root@mx:/opt/mailman# mkdir web/logs root@mx:/opt/mailman# chown -R mailman:mailman web

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: very few moderation capabilities for moderators

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

On 18/9/21 20:27, Mark Sapiro wrote: > from mailman.interfaces.action import Action > def moderar(mlist, member): > memb = mlist.members.get_member(member) > if not memb: > print('{} is not a list member.'.format(member)) > return > memb.moderation_action = Action.hold > print('{} moderation_action set to hold.'.format(member)) That completely did it. The problem about finding the module was completely gone when I made a soft link in the same directory where mailman command is (in /usr/local/bin, for your info). Thank you very, very much.

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: very few moderation capabilities for moderators

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

On 18/9/21 22:59, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 9/18/21 11:56 AM, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: >> >> Just a one more silly question: >> >> Where do I can find the diferent values that memb.moderation_action >> can take? (I want to prepare the "unhold" script too) > > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/interfaces/act… > Thanks: It's perfect

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: disable body transcoding

by Markus Schaaf

Am 22.09.21 um 19:26 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > This is probably due to the message body charset being utf-8. The Python > email library used by Mailman encodes utf-8 message bodies as base64. Thank you very much for that helpful clue. > Note this is just a guess and could be a disaster so test it before > trying it in production. It doesn't look dangerous ... :-) But ok, maybe it's a good idea to have a playground anyway. I'll report back after setting up a test system and trying your patch. BR

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: API privileges question for mailman3

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 10/14/21 12:41 PM, bob B wrote: > > So I just wanted to confirm there is no way to limit API access? What Mark said. > > For example I have a group that wants to use API access to mange > > their mail lists, but from what I can gather, if I give them > > access to the API they would have access to ALL the mail lists > > etc.. You could give them a separate VM or container with their own instance of Mailman. But that means they can't share user information with the main instance. Steve

4 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Message IDs

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > Note also that Mailman core communicates with archivers to determine > what goes in the Archived-At: header and this value is usually based on > the Message-ID:. Changing the Message-ID: could possibly render that > value incorrect. I forgot about that. MTAs allow existing Message-IDs through though, so Mailman could generate that outgoing Message-ID, add it to the the message, and put that in the Message ID hash. I'm obviously not in favor of doing that, though.

4 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 postorius cannot retrieve template

by Quanah Gibson-Mount

--On Thursday, November 4, 2021 8:25 AM -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 11/4/21 5:04 AM, Wolfgang Bock via Mailman-users wrote: >> >> My conclusion: >> I ask you to consider these experiences in an update for the mailman3 >> packages in debian bullseye. It would save time, questions and nerves. > > > Issues with Debian packaging should be directed to Debian. Or as previously discussed, the debian packages should be avoided entirely. --Quanah -- Quanah Gibson-Mount Product Architect Symas Corporation Packaged, certified, and supported LDAP solutions powered by OpenLDAP: <http://www.symas.com>

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Race condition when mass subscribing same email addresses to two lists?

by Alan So

Mark Sapiro wrote: > It is not a new issue. It has always been there. It's easy enough to > avoid, just don't run parallel mass subscribes. Thanks. Since we have many administrators working on different lists and they normally remove all memberships & mass subscribe during academic term start, it is possible that they may mass subscribe at the same time. The chance to hit this issue is slim anyway since they need to subscribe the same email addresses around the same time and these email addresses never exist on Mailman. Alan

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Bug in 2.1.36?

by Joel Lord

On 11/12/2021 5:25 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > Thanks for the report. I think the issue is caused by the fix for > https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/1949403 and can occur when a > list admin is trying to handle moderator requests on a list that has no > moderator password. I'll investigate and try to put out another fix > later today. > The list definitely has a moderator password, but I'm not certain that the site had a sitepass set. I had to set one to get in and look around. -- Joel Lord

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Bug in 2.1.36?

by Joel Lord

On 11/12/2021 5:25 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Thanks for the report. I think the issue is caused by the fix for > https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/1949403 and can occur when a > list admin is trying to handle moderator requests on a list that has no > moderator password. I'll investigate and try to put out another fix > later today. > Just realized I misread your statement. No, these lists don't have any "moderators", so they don't have a moderator password set. Just admins, doing both roles. -- Joel Lord

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty messages stuck in spool

by Andrew Hodgson

Mark Sapiro wrote: >On 11/4/21 5:06 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: >> Hi. >> >> I am seeing an issue whereby messages get stuck in the /opt/mailman/var/archives/hyperkitty/spool directory. > >This happens when Mailman's attempt to archive the message gets a non-success status from HyperKitty. The pickled message object gets stored in the above spool/ directory. Each subsequent message to archive retries the messages in the spool. Ok thanks for this. Its happening because the Gunicorn process running the Django server is being killed due to OOM conditions. Is there any settings I can change to troubleshoot/throttle this in Gunicorn or Django? Thanks. Andrew.

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Post-installation documentation?

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > Both docs.list.org and docs.mailman3.org are CNAMEs the resolve > ultimately to readthedocs.io. I.e. they both get to the same readthedocs > pages the source for which is the > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite-doc project. > > https://mailman.readthedocs.io/ also goes readthedocs.io, but to the > documentation for Mailman core rather than that for Mailman Suite. That doesn't seem like a great idea. :-(

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: list footer web customization procedure

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > In Postorius go to the Templates tab for the list, click New Template, > then in the Name dropdown select [list:member:regular:footer], leave the > Data box empty and Save. Does Django empty out the "spacetebasket" if it's all white space, or does spurious whitespace in that box lead to an (apparently) empty footer being added? Anway, I recommend to the OP that they make sure there's no whitespace in the Data box.

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: nginx configuration on a multitasking server

by David Newman

On 12/10/21 4:48 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I think you can set the document root to the roundcubemail root and then > set locations for the Mailman destinations as, e.g. > .. > I haven't tried anything like this, so I'm not sure it will work, but I > think so. Bingo. I can report that all list, archive, account, and Django admin pages I tested work as expected. Thank you! dn

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Mailing Lists

by David Newman

On 12/23/21 3:35 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > That said, your issue is because the list is adding a message footer (or > possibly header or both) to the delivered message. This is discussed in > the FAQ at https://wiki.list.org/x/4030707 This is a much better answer than mine, and the likely culprit. Sorry, but I'd missed the part where you said attachments were getting through. dn

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: [SOLVED] Re: Re: Newbie question 2: Rewriting issue for bounced emails

by William Oliver

On Mon, 2021-12-27 at 16:38 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > > Because you set > > smtp_host: mail.libertyfp.org > > in mailman.cfg. If you leave the default settings > > smtp_host: localhost > smtp_port: 25 > > you won't have this issue. > Aha. I thought I was being smart. You are right. billo

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Lessons learned and a couple little gotcha for newbies

by William Oliver

On Tue, 2021-12-28 at 17:50 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > The recommended uwsgi.ini includes > > pythonpath = /etc/mailman3/ > > according to > https://uwsgi-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Options.html?highlight=pythonpa… > > this should work. Did you have that? If you did and it doesn't work, > perhaps adding > > env = PYTHONPATH=/etc/mailman3 > Yes, I had the first, and does not work. The second entry works. This is on debian 11/nginx/postgres/postfix system. Thanks, billo

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: is there a mailman command/setting to periodically clean archives?

by William Oliver

On Wed, 2021-12-29 at 16:11 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > The cron will work for the prototype archives, but it's probably > easier > to just disable the prototype archiver. For HyperKitty, see the > thread > at > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… > > Cool. Thanks for the script. I'll give it a shot once I accumulate some archives. billo

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: signup / registration error - permissions and cert chains

by David Newman

On 12/31/21 6:59 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> SMTPRecipientsRefused at /accounts/signup/ >> {'newuser(a)dom1.tld': (504, b'5.5.2 <postorius@localhost>: Sender >> address rejected: need fully-qualified address')} > ... >> Settings: >> Using settings module settings > ... >> DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'postorius@localhost' > > > Try setting this to a fully qualified address, e.g., > something(a)networktest.com, not @localhost. Bingo. Thank you for this, and for helping so many MM users. To a healthier, more clueful, and generally much improved 2022! dn > More info at > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html#setting-up-email

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: Strange behaviour when SSL (https) is activated

by fr-mm3＠tourde.org

Le 18995ième jour après Epoch, Mark Sapiro écrivait: > When you go to the login page, is the url in your browser's address > bar an https url? Yes, it is. But I need to investigate a bit more about 2 or 3 issues I just noticed. I got oom-kill on uwsgi (argh !), and some timeouts (but not clearly related to) on haproxy side. I'll come back here once these issues clarified. Thanks all for your replies !

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: Issues with international characters (replaced by ?) when mail is send as text/html

by Michal Soltys

On 1/12/22 17:56, Mark Sapiro wrote: > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/967 is now fixed. This is > the patch to fix it. See > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/946 Checked, works fine. Thanks again.

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: under which uid should uwsgi/manage.py run?

by Axel Rau

> Am 14.01.2022 um 18:11 schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > > All Mailman processes including Mailman core's runners and all Postorius, HyperKitty Django processes and Django management commands should run as the Mailman user. Including the uwagi processes ? I.e. uid=mailman gid=mailman in uwsgi.ini ? Axel --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: Custom templates (was: Re: Re: nginx configuration on a multitasking server)

by David Newman

On 1/15/22 9:33 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 1/14/22 8:30 PM, David Newman wrote: >> >> Is there a variable for the base Postorius URL? Something like: >> >> https://${baseVarName}/lists/${list_id} > > > If you or someone submits the relevant feature request and it is > implemented, there will be, but not until then. OK. Issues 968 and 969 respectively request a new base URL variable and the inclusion of URLs in templates. https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/968 https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/969 Thanks very much for all your helpful thoughts on this. dn

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: Mirroring a mailman3 server

by Axel Rau

Thanks for your answer, Mark. > Am 17.01.2022 um 04:37 schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net <mailto:mark@msapiro.net>>: > >> >> While creating a domain, what should I enter into the fields? >> Mail Host lists.framail.de <http://lists.framail.de/> (currently lists5.lrau.net <http://lists5.lrau.net/>) > > Mail Host is the FQDN of the host's email address. I would prefer the entering the alias pointing at the mailhost here, because the alias stays the same after failover and so configuration data stays valid. Is this supported by mailman? Axel --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius

4 years

[MM3-users] [RESOLVED] Re: urllib.error --was: Re: No module named 'mailman3hyperkitty'

by Axel Rau

Hi Mark, > Am 18.01.2022 um 17:49 schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > > The above seems to be from Django's log. What's in Mailman core's mailman.log? I find there: - - - mailman.interfaces.configuration.MissingConfigurationFileError: /usr/local/mailman3/var/etc/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg - - - (-; (I had mailman-hyperkitty.conf) Thanks, Axel --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: Problem creating list members using REST API

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > Agreed. I guess we sort of assume that people dealing directly with the > REST API are familiar with both [Mailman and Python]. Empathy and Affinity are PHP applications (although I think we can assume that Brian provided the Mailman knowledge if the programmer didn't have it). I think we should assume that there are a lot (in dozens) of folks out there thinking about accessing Mailman's REST API from various languages, although I suspect most are familiar with Mailman. Steve

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: Held messages: Long time waiating for response of the Mailman API

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > mailmancore/API ->database > > that seems to have an issue and only with this one > > DELETE FROM pendedkeyvalue WHERE pendedkeyvalue.id = XXX > > query. However, like you, I have no idea as to what you could do further > to debug this. I have an idea, but it seems so obvious that presumably it's already been tried: log in to the database as mailman with pgsql and try deleting something. If that works immediately, try with mailmanclient and the mailman command line utility. Steve

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: list footer questions

by Stanisław Findeisen

Mark Sapiro wrote: > There is documentation at > https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/…, > but it can be difficult to follow. > https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… > describes the various templates and the substitutions available. Speaking of this: how do I get a nice *-leave address, like the one in the footer below this message? There doesn't seem to be a template placeholder for this. Thank you Stanisław

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Dealing with email bounces from web signups

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > This would require changes to Mailman in that even with subscription > policy confirm and moderate, confirmation comes before moderation. I can see that changing this would be unpopular with moderators on very active lists (or with lots of active lists), but maybe we should (a) offer the option to moderate first and (b) make it the default. Mark, do you have any idea what the numbers are for unconfirmed subscription attempts vs. those that make it to the moderators for python.org and mailman3.org lists? Steve

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY - 401 error

by Torsten R.

Mark Sapiro wrote: > > = 1.3.5 or downgrade mailman-hyperkitty to 1.1.0 or install the patch OK, thanks. That improved the situation. The messages are now archived successfully and can be seen in the web interface of HyperKitty. The only thing left now seems to be some weird message in the mailman.log telling me that it can't connect to the SMTP server listening on localhost port 25. But I think I will find out why Mailman doesn't want to talk to my mail server.

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: WebFrontend language not working

by c.buhtz＠posteo.jp

Dear Mark, thanks for the reply. On 2022-06-05 15:37 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > Tell your browser that your preferred language is English. No I won't. I want the mailman3 interface in English not all content from my browser. > The web UI is based on Django and Django gets your locale from your > browser. Than this is a (design) bug in Django. But I assume that Django is able to overwrite this behavior. You just have to use that feature.

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: How can I clear "Subscription request already pending" status ?

by Axel Rau

> Am 24.06.2022 um 18:01 schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > > In recent Postorius (>= 1.2.4), pull down the Subscription requests menu and select Pending Confirmation. Then find and delete the request. This worked. Thanks, Axel --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] OT grep hint [was: FYI: Django security releases ...]

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 7/7/22 3:09 PM, David Newman wrote: > > I *think* the command runs if I escape the hyphen: > Yes, escaping the hyphen is the correct thing to do. You could also try > something like > ``` > grep -r '.-jango' /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/ grep -r -e -jango ... should also work (and return nothing in this case). -e can be used multiple times, effectively or-ing the regexps. (Especially useful with -F if you have a lot of regexp operators in fixed strings!)

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: All addresses in a bounced list posting seem to be considered as bouncing

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > I can't explain what happened in your case. It seems that somehow > the original post was delivered to the -bounces address and parsed > by one of the heuristic recognizers (probably simplematch), but how > could that happen? People (or their homebrew MUAs) occasionally think the bounces address is the right place to post. We've seen that before, maybe that happened this time. Or it could be a deliberate attack. Steve

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: check/update delivery status via python script

by Eggert Ehmke

Am Dienstag, 19. Juli 2022, 23:01:14 CEST schrieb Mark Sapiro: > Where did you find the link to > https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/release-3.0/? Google showed me that link. Will try your suggestion.

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Message-Footer after migrating to Mailman3

by Peter Münster

On Mon, May 24 2021, Mark Sapiro wrote: > To disable adding footers entirely, sitewide, create an empty file, > readable by Mailman at Mailman's > ``` > var/templates/site/de/list:member:generic:footer.txt > ``` > More about templates and search rules is at > templates/de/list:member:generic:footer.txt and > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/utilities/i18n… Hi, I have created an empty file /var/lib/mailman/templates/site/en/list:member:generic:footer.txt But there is still the default footer in the messages. How could I debug this issue please? TIA for any hints, -- Peter

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Message-Footer after migrating to Mailman3

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Peter Münster writes: > On Mon, May 24 2021, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > var/templates/site/de/list:member:generic:footer.txt Note "de" in the above. > I have created an empty file > /var/lib/mailman/templates/site/en/list:member:generic:footer.txt Do you really mean "en"? If the user's primary language setting is de, I presume /var/lib/mailman/templates/site/de/list:member:generic:footer.txt will override /var/lib/mailman/templates/site/en/list:member:generic:footer.txt Steve

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Default setting for Delivery status

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > > At the moment, a new subscriber is neither "Enabled" or > > "Disabled". Would it be hard to arrange to display "Fallback" or some similar word there? (Assuming you know offhand -- if not I'll try to get to it this weekend or so.) Steve

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Is there a way to see all the list's held messages

by Martin Lorenz

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/11/22 07:04, bob B via Mailman-users wrote: [...] > run mailman' mean you are an admin of the server on which it is > installed? If so, you can do this in mailman shell, but what do you in my case: yes > want to see? I.e., just a summary by list of subject, sender and hold > reason how would I do this? Additional question: how would I set/change the owner of a number of lists identifyable by a regular expression?

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: URL-lines in templates get folded

by Frank Steinberg

Am 18.10.2022 um 20:55 schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > […] In particular, lines beginning with whitespace aren't wrapped so if you put your long URL preceded by a space, all on one line it won't wrap. As easy as that? :-) Thank you!

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification

by Onyeibo Oku

On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:52:03 -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 10/21/22 01:14, Onyeibo Oku wrote: > > > > In any case, it works when virtual environment is active. Any idea > > how to activate that environment via systemd then? > > > Can you successfully start mailman (or run any mailman commands) > with, e.g. ``` > /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start > > or > > /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman info > ``` > without activating the venv? > Yes. All those are working without activating venv.

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification

by Onyeibo Oku

On Sat Oct 22, 2022 at 7:44 PM WAT, Mark Sapiro wrote: > The specific error you reported refers tp > /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/zope.i18nmessageid-5.0.1-py3.10.egg-info/PKG-INFO > > what does > ``` > ls -l > /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/zope.i18nmessageid-5.0.1-py3.10.egg-info/PKG-INFO > ``` > show? > See below: command: ls -lh /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/zope.i18nmessageid-5.0.1-py3.10.egg-info/PKG-INFO output: -rw-r--r--. 1 mailman mailman 7.8K Oct 19 18:31 /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/zope.i18nmessageid-5.0.1-py3.10.egg-info/PKG-INFO -Onyeibo

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: restriction on attrs?

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > and I determined that was due to attrs==21.3.0 so I pinned it <21.3.0 > and diffcov then passed. > > It appears that constraint is no longer required. OK, that all makes sense. Thanks for the reply! Steve

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3.3 ignores

by Axel Rau

Am 08.11.2022 um 09:14 schrieb Axel Rau <Axel.Rau(a)chaos1.de>: > Am 08.11.2022 um 08:11 schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net <mailto:mark@msapiro.net>>: > > > What is /var/templates now? I.e., is it a symlink to /usr/local/mailman3/var/templates? what does `ls -l /var/templates` (no slash at the end) show? > It does not exist. No directory, no link. Maybe I remember it wrong. Axel PS: Can I send posts with attachments to this list? My last posting didn’t make it. --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: No Archives

by Odhiambo Washington

On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 2:31 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/21/22 01:52, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > Could this be due to the fact that I am accessing the site using a domain > > name different than what the actual site is? > > Yes, If your setting for FILTER_VHOST is True. > Thank you very much. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Looking for my lost shaker of salt ... er, mailman.cfg

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > If you run the `mailman` command without any -C option, it will look for > a config in /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg "mailman start" (at least) ALSO will create an empty config in var/etc/mailman.cfg. This cause me a lot of pain until I linked the mailman user's $HOME/var/etc/mailman.cfg to /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg. I will report this in a few hours if nobody else gets to it first. Steve

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Extracting mailing list users

by Eggert Ehmke

I edited this file: venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_members.py The content at line 107ff is: #patch of Mark Sapiro # if email_only: if email_only or not address.display_name: print(address.original_email, file=outfp) else: # print(formataddr((address.display_name, address.original_email)), file=outfp) print(f'{address.display_name} <{address.original_email}>', file=outfp) This file is actually executed when I call mailman members. I verified this by uncommenting the first (old) print line. Now each address is printed twice (as expected), with the utf8 code in both lines in case of umlauts.

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty installation: Unclear instructions

by Johannes Rohr

Am 06.01.23 um 00:23 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > > Just follow the instructions at > <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html>. They > are the current recommendation and will result in a complete > installation. > Thanks! But hyperkitty still has to be configured in order to work, doesn't it? Where are the instructions that are compatible with the virtualenv installation method? Thanks! Johannes

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty installation: Unclear instructions

by Johannes Rohr

Thanks. But can you tell me where the manage.py is that is needed for the import command mentioned here? https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html python manage.py hyperkitty_import -lfoo-list(a)example.com $var_prefix/archives/private/foo-list.mbox/foo-list.mbox Thanks! Johannes Am 06.01.23 um 00:48 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 1/5/23 15:40, Johannes Rohr wrote: >> >> Thanks! But hyperkitty still has to be configured in order to work, >> doesn't it? Where are the instructions that are compatible with the >> virtualenv installation method? > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#initial-configu… > >

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty installation: Unclear instructions

by Johannes Rohr

Am 06.01.23 um 01:22 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > > When you follow the virtualenv install the Django management command > is named `mailman-web`. This is shown for example at > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#run-database-mi… > and the next few sections. For importing archives, it would be, with > the venv active, e.g. > ``` > (venv)$ mailman-web hyperkitty_import -lfoo-list(a)example.com > $var_prefix/archives/private/foo-list.mbox/foo-list.mbox > ``` > Thank you so much! Johannes

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: Cross-List and Domain based sender whitelisting ( accept_these_nonmembers )

by Johannes Rohr

Am 16.09.21 um 01:13 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 9/8/21 3:39 PM, Patrick Brückner wrote: >> >> What I can't seem to find is the option to whitelist senders based on >> a domain AND on membership on a different list. > > > As Abhilash said, Mailman 3 accepts regexps in accept_these_nonmembers > for whitelisting domains. Currently Mailman 3 does not support > whitelisting the members of another list. Is this still true in the current version? I have been using this quite extensively with mailman2, so loosing it is the one major drawback of the migration. Johannes > >

3 years

[MM3-users] Updated script for checking and fixing mbox files.

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > I have also added [the updated cleanarch3] at > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/contrib/clea… > for the next release. Thanks Mark!

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 6:54 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 1/30/23 05:01, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = ('127.0.0.1', '::1') > > So an array?? > > In Python ('127.0.0.1', '::1') is a tuple. MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM is a > sequence > < > https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#sequence-types-list-tuple-r…>. > > It can be a tuple as above or a list like ['127.0.0.1', '::1'] > muito obrigado :) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Improve logging?

by Odhiambo Washington

On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 9:10 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 1/31/23 09:27, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > The scary part though is the line that starts with ' Traceback'. > > It's what I'd love to not-see unless there is a serious problem. > > See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1059 Thank you. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Monthly Password Reminders

by Odhiambo Washington

On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 8:21 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 2/2/23 06:29, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > Does MM3 send these monthly subscription reminders the way MM2 used to > do? > > I am looking for the setting, but can't find that in the list settings. > > > No, it does not. The rationale behind the decision to toss away that feature? Security?? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3+Python3.11

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 7:32 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 3/6/23 08:23, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > I install Python3.11 manually on Debian12 (maybe this is the issue!) VM > > using the script below: > > #!/bin/bash > > cd Python-3.11.2 > > ./configure --enable-optimizations > > You also want --enable-shared > I had done that, but somehow the build had failed with it. I will try it again. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: New year releases!

by Torge Riedel

Thank you for your feedback, I will try this argument next time. Kind regards Torge Am 12.02.23 um 17:10 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 2/12/23 06:16, Torge Riedel wrote: >> >> Today I updated core and web of mailman3 and ran into all the issues you can have: >> - Dependencies are not updated properly > > > This depends on your pip version. With recent pip you need to specify `--upgrade-strategy eager` along with --upgrade to upgrade dependencies. This is a bit less aggressive than --force-reinstall. >

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Delete Django profiles not signed up to a list

by Andrew Hodgson

Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >> First, get the latest version of the script from >> https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/clean_users.py - not the one in this >> threat attached to >> https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/me >> ssage/YH676B67U24VXXNX2UMJYNVSFEAKAHYG/ Thanks for the updated script it works a charm. Andrew.

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: List notices in French, but subject in English

by Mark Dale

On 2023-04-06 14:59, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> I have a list set with it's preferred language set as French and the body of the standard notification emails (eg. Welcome message) is correctly sent in French, however the subject of the emails is in English. > > > This is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/993>, fixed in Mailman>=3.3.6 by <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1000>. > Thank you Mark. As I feared, a little more than just the .mo file. Best, Mark

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to hide sender completely

by Roland Miyamoto

Thanks, Mark, On 10/05/2023 01:50, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Both this and all other incoming Received: headers are removed from > posts to anonymous lists beginning with Mailman 3.3.4. > X-MailFrom: headers are also removed as of Mailman 3.3.4. For clarifying. I am currently running GNU Mailman 3.2.1 (La Villa Strangiato) under Debian buster (10). Seems I will have to upgrade to Debian bookworm (12) if I want to stick with the deb package and want complete anonymity to work. Or else dive into the virtualenv, which seems to be recommended option anyway. Thank you very much, for me the question is thereby settled. Roland

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman break DKIM signature by modifying body

by Peter Münster

On Mon, Jun 05 2023, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Changes like those above are due to Python's stdlib email module. Ok, I'll submit a bug report. > Instead, you should be DKIM signing your outgoing mail and perhaps applying > Mailman's DMARC mitigations if DMARC is an issue. I would like to keep things as simple as possible. Before changing my setup, I'll see, if there is any chance, that the email module gets fixed. -- Peter

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] problem with Python's stdlib email module (was: Re: mailman break DKIM signature by modifying body)

by Peter Münster

On Mon, Jun 05 2023, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Changes like those above are due to Python's stdlib email module. Could you point me to the code please, where the module is called? TIA, -- Peter

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: problem with Python's stdlib email module

by Peter Münster

On Mon, Jun 05 2023, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Basically, all over. Thanks. I would like to find out, which function is responsible for the modification of the body, before filling a bug report. Unfortunately I don't have any experience with Python, so any help is highly appreciated. My idea is to add "print(message)" at the places, that you mentioned. Where would I find the output then? TIA for any hints, -- Peter

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: problem with Python's stdlib email module

by Peter Münster

On Mon, Jun 05 2023, Mark Sapiro wrote: >>>> import email >>>> import smtplib >>>> from mailman.email.message import Message >>>> with open('path/to/message/file', 'rb') as fp: > ... msg = email.message_from_binary_file(fp, Message) Thanks, now it's very easily reproducible and I can send a bug report! -- Peter

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Where in database are subject prefix sequences stored?

by Thomas Ward

Oh snap, I was expecting it to be in its own psql sequence! Thanks Mark! Thomas On 6/20/23 22:05, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 6/20/23 6:21 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: >> I am using numeric prefixes for a list, such that it's >> `[ListName-000012]`. >> >> Where would that sequence indicator be stored in the database? > > > The post_id column in the mailinglist table entry. >

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Issues with @gmail.com addresses

by Peter Münster

On Tue, Sep 05 2023, Mark Sapiro wrote: > it has recently started enforcing a stricter policy Yes, indeed, very annoying. That's why Mailman is no more useable for me, because I don't want to change the "From:" header. Probably related: Even without any setting in "Alter Messages", messages with attachment from Gmail are altered, so that DKIM signatures are invalidated: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… If anybody wants to fix that, please contact me, I could offer a bounty. Just an idea: you could add to the message object a field like "orig-body", that keeps the unmodified body. -- Peter

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to let mailman log every single email that it sends out?

by Jens Günther

I actually also see them without special settings. Postfix should log all outgoing connections and whether the mail has been sent or not, obviously. Regards. Am 09.09.23 um 18:43 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > > If you want to see individual recipient emails in /var/log/mail.log, the > best way is to enable VERP in mailman. I.e., set > ``` > verp_delivery_interval: 1 > ``` > in the [mta] section of mailman.cfg. > Then you should see entries like: > > > in /var/log/mail.log for each recipient. >

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Is there a way of recording bounce messages?

by Andrew Hodgson

Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >On 9/21/23 07:06, Andrew Hodgson wrote: >> Hi. >> >> The messages recording the bounce don't include the original DSN. >This is https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/737 fixed in Mailman >3.3.5 Hmm. I'm on 3.3.8 and there was no attached bounce message in any of the reports. Thanks. Andrew.

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Strange password problem

by Eggert Ehmke

Am Samstag, 23. September 2023, 23:02:18 CEST schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 9/23/23 10:55, Eggert Ehmke via Mailman-users wrote: > > I also have a setting so that on each URL only the lists are visible that > > belong to that domain. Sadly I don't remember the setting, but that works. > > That's the Django `FILTER_VHOST = True` setting. That's right, I have that in my settings.py

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman issues after re-boot

by Nelson Strother

On 9/28/23 20:25, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > This is a packaging glitch with PyPI. At one point a couple of flufl.* > packages were named flufl_*. I forget exactly how to fix this, but try > in your venv > ``` > pip install -U --force-reinstall flufl.bounce flufl.i18n flufl.lock > ``` https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1085 and/or: https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-developers@python.org/thread/… may be relevant. Nelson

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: impossible to administrate *.com emails

by testeur

In fact, i had the modsecurity which blocked ".com" link. It is resolved. thx, On 09/10/2023 23:52, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/9/23 13:07, testeur via Mailman-users wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I don't understand why this problem ! >> In the web interface, i can't administrate email finishing with >> ".com" (ex : gmail.com, hotmail.com, etc) >> I obtain : >> >> >> "Forbidden >> >> You don't have permission to access this resource." > > What is is your web server error log? >

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: (Custom) Plugins: Proper file path(s) for adding a handler?

by Thomas Ward

Perfect, that should make things easier for me to install. Thank you kindly for all your support everyone! Thomas On 10/24/23 11:54, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/24/23 8:20 AM, Thomas Ward via Mailman-users wrote: >> >> This means I can install the code to anywhere on `sys.path` that the >> system can detect and it does not need to be in the Mailman3 >> library/directory space in the venv? > > Yes, as long as Mailman can import the class defined for the plugin in > mailman.cfg, it will work. >

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: disabled users

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > I don't think this is correct. Members with delivery disabled by > bounce will normally show 0 rather than None for bounce score. Too bad; eg, on this list more than half the members have 0 bounces, while (estimating from memory) about 1 in 10 have None, and about half of the Nones are disabled.

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Immediate notification to the administrator

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > This Mailman 3.2.2 cron/crontab.in.in file is is an artifact from > Mailman 2.1. Nothing there is relevant to any Mailman 3 version So there was no daily notification at all in Mailman 3.2.2? That kinda sucks for this user.

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman-web compress - Invalid template socialaccount/login_cancelled.html

by Jeremy Stanley

On 2023-11-07 19:46:01 -0800 (-0800), Mark Sapiro wrote: [...] > I don't think this is fatal, but I have reported it at > https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/issues/3513 We've been seeing the same thing in our deployment, I just hadn't found the time to look into it yet. Looks like upstream won't-fixed it, so I guess it was an intentionally backward-incompatible change and the template files will need some minor reworking? -- Jeremy Stanley

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Database problem after system upgrade

by Lars Bjørndal

[Odhiambo] [...] > That message is cryptic to me, but [2]@Mark Sapiro might know. > Could you please see if there are stale lock files in /opt/mailman3/var/locks/ > that could be preventing mailman3 from starting? > If there are two files there, delete them and try starting mailman3 again. > Beyond that possibility, I now remain clueless :) Deleting the lock files did the trick. Thanks. Lars

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3-web language preference and translation settings

by Nils

Thank you very much for your help, Mark. On 12/7/23 01:44, Mark Sapiro wrote: > The only thing I can think of is you may need to cd to the directory > containing django/ django_mailman3/ postorius/ and /hyperkitty before > doing the above. This may be something like > /usr/lib/python3.x/site-packages. > Yes, that did it! Previous command didn't work because of file permissions. So instead of sudoing the command as www-data, I just did "django-admin compilemessages" as root after changing to directory "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages". Kind regards Nils

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: The doubled entries issue

by Lars Bjørndal

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 08:58:05PM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/13/23 10:06, Lars Bjørndal wrote: [...] > > Will mailman notify when there's shunted messages? > > No. I run a daily cron that does `ls -lAR /opt/mailman/mm/var/queue/` which > lists the shunt queue and the others. Today, I find the following file in the shunt folder: `ls -l /opt/mailman3/mm/var/queue/shunt/` -rw-rw---- 1 mailman3 mailman3 25473 des. 21 11:11 1703153465.6663258+bfbef88d4b3433eb5978cb42852601faee9ab00c.pck.tmp What's this file? Should I take action or just remove it? Thanks, Lars

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: [ext] Re: Issues with a DMARC record leading to message being shunted

by Ralf Hildebrandt

* Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > For now, I reported this at > https://github.com/ValiMail/authentication-headers/issues/27 Thanks! -- Ralf Hildebrandt Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netz | Netzwerk-Administration Invalidenstraße 120/121 | D-10115 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 ralf.hildebrandt(a)charite.de https://www.charite.de

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: search this list searches more then just this list

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > I have tested and I can confirm that with two lists in the same > domain named `test` and `x-test` and with Whoosh as the backend > searching the `test` list returns hits from both lists, but with > Xapian as the backend, only hits from the `test` list are returned. Wow! Thanks, Mark! Steve

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: Hiding an ML from a site

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > Note, I have been without power at my house for almost 3 days now, > so I don't have access to all my usual resources. Yikes! Take care of yourself, we'll keep the Internet running. Steve

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: export/import list?

by Peter Adebahr

On 3/1/24 00:11, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/29/24 14:44, imark(a)posteo.net wrote: >> This appears to be practical for exporting/importing ALL the lists >> from one MM3 server to another MM3 server. >> >> Is there a similar straightforward way of exporting/importing just ONE >> list? > Why not export ALL list as indicated, then delete all unwanted lists on source resp. destination server ...

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty tracebacks: possible DB corruption?

by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au

>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> writes: Mark> On 3/12/24 11:12 PM, peter--- via Mailman-users wrote: Mark> Wrapping the last_view_obj, created = Mark> LastView.objects.get_or_create() in a try, except seems Mark> appropriate, but your code in the except clause assumes there Mark> will be exactly 2 objects returned. I was copying code from https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/models/threa… Peter C

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: SpamAssassin and clamav?

by Marisa Giancarla

Ok sounds good... Marisa On 3/15/24 18:40, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 3/15/24 17:52, Marisa Giancarla via Mailman-users wrote: >> Is there a way to have mm3 use SpamAssassin and/or clamav? >> Marisa > > It would require custom code modification to invoke SpamAssassin > and/or ClamAV from mailman. It is much better to integrate these in > the MTA. >

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 3.2.2 python3.8 problem on focal

by Thomas Stein

Thanks! Am 21. März 2024 01:19:36 MEZ schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: >On 3/20/24 10:24, Thomas Stein wrote: >> >> Answering my own post for now. >> >> Replacing time.clock() with time.process_time() in /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/uid.py seems to fix the current issue for me. Don't know what else I broke with it though. :) > > >Mailman 3.2.2 is not compatible with Python>=3.8. Unfortunately, at least one Debian/Ubuntu release included that combination. Your fix is the correct one, see https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/commit/ea05bdd0f74ba06d85adad1f7d190a6… >

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Sibling lists in Mailman3

by Markus Grandpré

Thank you. Am 27.03.24 um 17:26 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 3/27/24 08:05, Markus Grandpre wrote: >> >> after I migrated a list from Mailman21 to Mailman3 I missed the >> Mailman21 setting "regular_include_lists" (or something similar) in >> Mailman3. How are sibling lists treated in Mailman3? > > The sibling list features do not exist in Mailman 3. > -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Error -- postorius Un-handled exception

by admin＠bclug.ca

Mark Sapiro wrote: > What's in var/logs/mailman.log? Good question! > 2024-04-10 12:42:08 [FALCON] [ERROR] GET /3.1/lists/new_test.domain.tld/arch ivers => Traceback (most recent call last): > ... > ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman_hyperkitty' That has me confused, as the footer says > Powered by HyperKitty version 1.3.9.

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Error -- postorius Un-handled exception

by admin＠bclug.ca

Mark Sapiro wrote: > > ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman_hyperkitty' > > That has me confused, as the footer says > > Powered by HyperKitty version 1.3.9. > > mailman_hyperkitty is a separate package which is a shim between Mailman > core and HyperKitty. In your venv or wherever Mailman is installed, you need > pip install mailman_hyperkitty It should be already installed, as it shows in the footer? > (venv) mailman@mail:~$ pip install mailman_hyperkitty > Requirement already satisfied: mailman_hyperkitty in ./venv/lib/python3.10/site-pa ckages (1.2.1) > ... > (venv) mailman@mail:~$

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Welcome message template errors

by Mark

On 2024-04-24 03:58, Mark Sapiro wrote: > What do you get if you do > ``` > sudo -u mailman curl > https://lists.mydomain.com/mailman3/api/templates/list/mytestlist.lists.myd… > ``` > with the template set in Postorius? The welcome message is returned. root@hel:~# sudo -u mailman curl https://LISTS.MYDOMAIN.COM/mailman3/api/templates/list/MYTESTLIST.LISTS.MYD… Test Welcome message for new subscribers.root@hel:~#

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Welcome message template errors

by Mark

On 2024-04-24 14:18, Mark Sapiro wrote: > So all the runners are running as user mailman. That's good. What > exactly is the issue now. Is it retrievals timing out or an empty > welcome message? The issue is: A. With POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://<REDACTED-PUBLIC-IPv4-ADDRESS>', it sends an empty Welcome message when a new member is added. B. With POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://MYDOMAIN.COM', no Welcome message gets sent and a timeout error appears on the webpage, although the new member gets added.

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Welcome message template errors

by Mark

On 2024-05-01 03:12, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I have now reinstalled Mailman from scratch on the development server > in a Python 3.12.3 venv using the heads of the gitlab branches and > getting the current versions of all the dependencies and this > installation gets no error. So while I still have an older venv that > produces this error, I cannot duplicate the error in a new install. In the new installation, are the template.uri (in the mailman DB) records written as http://localhost:8000/... ?

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 doesn't send Mails to users (Debian12 with Plesk)

by admin＠bclug.ca

Mark Sapiro wrote on 2024-05-24 05:15: > Are you gating messages to/from usenet for this list? Is nntp common enough these days to be a useful default runner? I disabled it in mine when I noticed it, but it seems (IMHO) a waste of resources (yet another Python interpreter running) for a fairly edge case of mailing list <--> nntp transits. rb

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Automatic migration from Mailman 2.1 (Debian buster) to Mailman 3 (Debian bookworm)

by Ron / BCLUG

Mark Sapiro wrote on 2024-05-25 08:38: > The host name displayed in the web UI is based on the SITE_ID setting in > Django's settings. This is a system configuration not associated with > any lists. it references an entry in the django_sites table in the > database. Specifically, the `mailmanweb` DB, table `django_site`. In this case, I found the GUI to be easier: https://$your_domain/admin/sites/site/ rb

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: A few more MM3 questions

by Marc SCHAEFER

Hello, On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 09:23:07AM -0400, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I don't know the details of where the Debian package puts things, but there > may be Postfix related files in /var/lib/mailman3/data, but yes, all Yes, exactly. Mailman3 under Debian can generate Postfix aliasesdb (it requires a manual Postfix configuration though to reference those files: I think it was already in the example deployment script I posted a few days ago). Also, the start script of Mailman3 under Debian *seems* to systematically regenerate those files at Mailman startup, so it would probably not even be needed to restore this. Great new! Thank you.

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem with digests not being sent daily

by Mark

> On 6/22/24 17:51, Mark Sapiro wrote: > With digests enabled and > the threshhold set to 0, on each post a digest.mmdf will be created > and then immediately moved to digest.<vol>.<num>.mmdf and an entry > queued for digest runner to create the digest(s) from that file and > remove it, so within probably a few seconds > /opt/mailman/mm/var/lists/<LISTID>/ will be empty again. Digests are enabled and the threshold = 0. Is it possible to temporarily disable the digest runner so that I can see if a post is actually creating the digest.mmdf file (before the runner removes it)?

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Where to put static files referred to from list Info page?

by Greg Newby

On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 3:30 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 8/5/24 15:02, Greg Newby wrote: > > > > My question: Is there a place I can put these files within the Mailman > > directory hierarchy so they can be linked from the list Info page? > > You could put them in Mailman's static/ directory and reference them > with a /static/... URL. > > Confirmed - thanks! The 'static' location was just what I was looking for. ~ Greg

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Trying to understand the mailman.cfg from the virtualenv installation guide

by Danil Smirnov

Hi Mark, ср, 11 сент. 2024 г., 06:26 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > On 9/8/24 01:04, unite42--- via Mailman-users wrote: > > [mta] > > verp_confirmations: yes > > verp_personalized_deliveries: yes > > verp_delivery_interval: 1 > > > > What is the background of these recommendations? > > > These settings enable VERP for all list messages. This results in more > reliable bounce processing. > Is there any downsides of using it, so it's not enabled by default? TIA Danil >

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: makemigrations --merge error after Debian upgrade

by Chupin Maxime

Mark Sapiro wrote: > Did you run this as the Mailman user (list in the Debian packages)? Thank you, I tried, but the system asked me a Password for this user... I do not understand. ``` sudo -u list mailman-web makemigrations --merge Password: ```

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: makemigrations --merge error after Debian upgrade

by Marc SCHAEFER

On Tue, Oct 01, 2024 at 08:10:54PM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Look at the contents of the mailman-web script. My guess is it contains > `sudo -u list ...` Not exactly: (debian bookworm) su -s /bin/sh -c "python3 /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py $*" www-data if run from root, it should not require a password.

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: makemigrations --merge error after Debian upgrade

by Chupin Maxime

Mark Sapiro wrote: > What user ran the makemigrations --merge? ``` cat /usr/bin/mailman-web #!/bin/sh su -s /bin/sh -c "python3 /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py $*" www-data ``` > What does ls -la /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_q/migrations/ show? that all the files belong to `www-data`... but know I get the error for `/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/migrations`. So I change the owner and everything works know. I’ve done : ``` root@machine: mailman-web makemigration --merge ``` and then ``` root@machine: mailman-web migrate ``` and now, hyperkitty is working well!!! Thank you to all of you.

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Should I try to install mailman3 on Kubuntu 20.04?

by Bill Oliver

Thanks. I'll get started on it tomorrow. On Fri, 2024-10-04 at 17:50 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/4/24 15:59, Bill Oliver wrote: > > > > My bad. I meant 24.04 LTS. Have folk had good success with Ubuntu > > 24.04 and mailman3? > > > Yes, this works well using the virtualenv install procedure at > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html > > The people who have trouble are mostly those trying to install the > Debian/Ubuntu packages via apt. >

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: New installation, new issue: mailman3 migrate -- no module CommonMark

by Bill Oliver

On Sat, 2024-10-26 at 20:21 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > [snip] > What is your version of readme_renderer? I don't see readme_renderer > importing from CommonMark in any recent version. > > -- (venv) mailman@mail:~$ pip freeze | grep readme readme-renderer==17.4 billo

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to fix: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP)

by Jigme Datse

On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 20:07:00 -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 10/31/24 16:30, Jigme Datse wrote: > > > > Going to any of the list pages, gives the above Error. Well, not > > exactly the above error, Django is in square brackets. OK, that > > will work better for me with the how to fix. > > > What's in Django's logs? > Attached logs (I hope that works). A couple are currently empty?

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius not HTML-decoding < to "<" characters

by Jeremy Stanley

On 2024-11-09 13:05:16 -0800 (-0800), Mark Sapiro wrote: [...] > Also, it depends on the archive rendering mode and only occurs if the mode > is Markdown text rather than Plain text. It is really `mistune`, > <https://mistune.lepture.com/en/latest/index.html>, which is doing the > markdown rendering and which `escapes` HTML tags. [...] On a related note, the MD rendering here seems to misinterpret sig separators as markup. Like this... -- Jeremy Stanley

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Template for Password Reset Email

by Mark

On 2024-11-18 16:23, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/17/24 21:27, Mark wrote: > You have done everything correctly. What is missing is the user's > browser is not putting `fr` first in the Accept-Language: HTTP header > in it's requests. > > Most browsers have a setting to control this. Gotcha. Wow! That was a suprise. Here I was thinking that there was no way the browser's setting would have any effect on the email. But now I see how it all works. Brilliant! Thank you once again Mark. Your patience and guidance are truly appreciated. Best, Mark

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM2.1 -> MM3.3 migration. To hold or not hold

by mark＠suburbia.org.au

Mark Sapiro wrote: > This says it was held for moderation. Is there an X-Mailman-Approved-At: > header which would say it was approved by a moderator? No "X-Mailman-Approved-At" in the header. All the X-Mailman headers in the mail sent to the list were included in my previous reply.

1 year, 2 months

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