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[MM3-users] Re: Reset digest number and volume

by Andrew Bernard

HI Mark, I get: >>> commit() Traceback (most recent call last): File "<console>", line 1, in <module> NameError: name 'commit' is not defined Andrew On 26/6/19 11:49 pm, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 6/26/19 3:08 AM, andrew.bernard(a)gmail.com wrote: >> How to do this? After lots of testing on my pre-release beta testing list, I want the first production digest to be reset toVolume 1, Number 1. > > You can do this in `mailman shell` by setting the list's `volume` and > `next_digest_number` to 1. E.g., > > > $ ./mailman shell -l list(a)example.com > Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell > The variable 'm' is the list(a)example.com mailing list >>>> m.volume = 1 >>>> m.next_digest_number = 1 >>>> commit()

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: User settings triggers error

by Mark Dadgar

On Jun 28, 2020, at 4:56 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 6/28/20 4:39 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: >> >> The patch does not apply cleanly against /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models/email.py >> >> patching file email.py >> patch: **** malformed patch at line 4: import os > > > That probably isn't because of version mismatch. That would give applied > at offset or with fuzz or a reject. malformed patch means the patch file > is not formatted correctly. Here it is again as an attachment. That may > help. That gives a slightly different error: mark@mail:/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models$ sudo patch < /tmp/patch.txt patching file email.py Hunk #1 FAILED at 24. patch: **** malformed patch at line 23: - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: sending messages in response to posts from non-members

by David Bremner

Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> writes: > On 2/26/22 04:26, David Bremner wrote: >> >> I'd like to turn off the "bounce messages" sent by mailman to >> non-members. My reasoning is that most such posts are spammers, and >> often use forged return-paths / From's, so I end of sending steady >> stream of backscatter to amazon.com etc... >> >> Is this configurable (without postorius) somehow? > > What exactly do you want? Do you want to discard without notice any > nonmember posts or do you want to hold them but not send a notice of the > hold to the poster? It was the latter, and your suggestion for existing lists seems to have worked. Thanks, David

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman/Django-allauth integration with Yahoo

by Дилян Палаузов

Hello Mark, thanks for your answer. So I had in the past registered that yahoo address withing mailman. Then I added oauth/openid to yahoo, then gave it a try. I have receieved as resut two email in the yahoo mailbox. One is sent by yahoo, notifying about account activity. The other, which I have not overseen as it was evaluated as spam, contains: You are receiving this email because you or someone else tried to signup for an account using email address: zzz(a)yahoo.com However, an account using that email address already exists. In case you have forgotten about this, please use the password forgotten procedure to recover your account: https://…/accounts/password/reset/ So the text "we have sent you an email for verification” but the email stating ”there is already such an account within mailman” is misleading, especially after the first message is shown to an yahoo-authenticated user. Greetings // Дилян -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Mailman/Django-allauth integration with Yahoo Date: 06/08/24 03:01:24 On 8/4/24 03:35, Дилян Палаузов wrote: > > Then I get a site, partially in English, partially localized. It is in my domain at address /mm3/accounts/confirm-email/ , and states: > > Messages: Confirmation of email address sent to ...(a)yahoo.com > Menu: Entrance \r\n New registration > > Confirm your email address: > > We have sent an email to you for verification. Follow the link provided to finalize the signup process. If you do not see the verification email in your main inbox, check your spam folder. Please contact us if you do not receive the verification email within a few minutes. I'm not certain, but it looks like you are signing in to a new account and django-allauth is creating the account with the address from yahoo and is asking you to confirm. > I have indeed received an email, which states: > New signin from … Hi, Your Yahoo account … was just used to sign in on …. If you did this, you’re all set. If not, please use this link to stop sharing, and create a new password. Have a great day! Thanks,Yahoo > > So, the /account/confirm-email states I have received an email for verification, but the email sent says no verification is needed, I am all set up. > > Any idea what can I improve? This appears to be a glitch in the new account verification process. In any case, it's a django-allauth issue, not a Mailman issue. Once you have gone through this dance, what happens the next time you sign in via Yahoo. > In addition https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/-/blob/master/mailman-suite_projec… suggests adding in settings.py: > > SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = {'openid': {'SERVERS': [dict(id='yahoo', name='Yahoo', openid_url='http://me.yahoo.com')]}} > > which I have not done. That is, I do not use the “openid” provider, but the “yahoo” provider. Do I have to use the OpenID provider when using Yahoo? I don't think it would matter. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… This message sent to dpa-mailman(a)aegee.org

8 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: What is result of planned MM3 integrated installation at Pycon?

by Tom Browder

On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 16:48 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 6/9/18 2:19 PM, Tom Browder wrote: > > I may have missed the announcement, but I thought it was hoped to get a > > major leap toward an integrated MM3 installation at the May Pycon. Did > > anything exciting happen toward that goal, or should I just press on with > > the latest release? > > We accomplished a lot. We are still tying up a few loose ends, but the > release should be soon. FWIW, this list is currently running on the > HEADs of the GitLab branches. Thanks, Mark. Will the release be pretty much a one-step affair for us older folks without much energy? -Tom

6 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Apache+mod_wsgi issue

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > You don't need all of those. ^postorius/ and ^mailman3/ are two > different ways to access Postorius, and ^hyperkitty/ and ^archives/ are > two different ways to access HypereKitty. You only need one of each, That's true from "outside", but there are internal links as well. For example, in Postorius top page, the link to HyperKitty is .../archives. I guess it's a good idea to grep the templates to see which URLS are used. > > Now my question is about what could be adding the /mailman3. Is it possible > > that I installed something out of the ordinary? Besides mod_wsgi as Mark suggests and the uwsgi configuration, the only thing I can think of is an Apache rewrite rule. It's not in the Postorius and HyperKitty templates. Steve

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius List members

by Alain D D Williams

On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 07:10:04PM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/13/24 19:00, Alain D D Williams wrote: > > > > Is it possible to add delivery status to the summary where many users are > > shown ? I find this (on mailman 2) to be very useful, ie get a quick overview of > > what is happening to users. > > > There is a merge request in process for this. See > https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/953 Great I look forwards to that -- although since I have installed via Debian packages there will prolly be some delay :-( Thanks -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

5 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty.views.mailman The MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY was not sent as the Authorization HTTP header

by Odhiambo Washington

On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 8:35 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/27/22 22:00, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > I worke up to 959 such entries in my mailmanweb.log: > > > > ERROR 2022-12-27 22:49:57,732 82073 hyperkitty.views.mailman The > > MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY was not sent as the Authorization HTTP header. > ... > > > > What might have been the cause of this? > > > > Upgrading HyperKitty without upgrading mailman-hyperkitty. HyperKitty>= > 1.3.5 requires mailman-hyperkitty>=1.2.0. (venv) [mailman@gw ~/mm]$ pip list | grep itty HyperKitty 1.3.6 mailman-hyperkitty 1.2.0 Which I think is fine, no? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hiding the "subscribe without creating an account"

by Ben Sturmfels

> On 13/07/2024 07:17, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> On 7/10/24 7:36 PM, Ben Sturmfels via Mailman-users wrote: >>> >>> Is there a configuration option that does this, or was it a custom change >>> made in the templates? Was the change made to reduce fake registrations? Did >>> it work? >> >> It was added in Postorius 1.3.9. See the UI section at >> https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html#news-1-3-9 >> >> Yes, the change was made in an attempt to reduce fake registrations. Thanks very much for the prompt advice Mark and Matthew! Really appreciate it. I'm currently running Postorius 1.3.8 (Debian Stable/Bookworm), so will look at upgrading and applying the settings you suggested. Regards, Ben

9 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: user mail not accepted

by Christian Stalberg

My apologies. I did not confirm that what I did already sent you was the message received by the user. The mailing list address is ssan(a)lists.naturalintelligence.us and it seems as though this became an alias for this single user christian(a)sewagesludgeactionnetwork.com . > What I wanted to see was not the message sent to the list, but the message received by the one user from the list. If you are saying this message is that, it didn't come from any Mailman list. > > > Return-Path: <christian(a)sewagesludgeactionnetwork.com> > Delivered-To: ces(a)ecovillage.cc > Received: from box.ecovillage.cc ([127.0.0.1]) > by box.ecovillage.cc with LMTP id MDucNBythmCTSwAAMoO61A > for <ces(a)ecovillage.cc>; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 05:07:56 -0700 > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on > box.ecovillage.cc > X-Spam-Level: > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, > DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham > autolearn_force=no > version=3.4.2 > X-Spam-Report: > * -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP > * 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message > * -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature > * 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not > necessarily > * valid > * -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from > * author's domain > X-Spam-Score: -1.1 > Received: from authenticated-user (box.ecovillage.cc [45.79.28.18]) > (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 > bits)) > (No client certificate requested) > by box.ecovillage.cc (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6EADF3E8CC > for <ssan(a)lists.naturalintelligence.us>; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 05:07:54 > -0700 (PDT) > DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; > d=sewagesludgeactionnetwork.com; s=mail; t=1619438876; > bh=1M7F/uIS0bNG6cWjecy/a9QjskrHVwJHkjWRv+ffpM4=; > h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:From; > b=jXOswVZgFeHBB+sjIDqVkNBQqIbfZCj9ZUfpVwl10NQEkGaoxckPHNOKT6x9zIqsW > BZ7iZqqi2mWprVQ8LrK48Lp7gvCQ/ipqspMeLt3t+uljzTtryHmV6uJFEAU3hqM33Y > nQqX6Z8la8Ko40F9Ayb4h4e/MOfPdA4nadgf5hZzt/DzPFZvzUbG3V8lWcHuyJNA2y > SQkhbNubQ6iNEEB0SyBjoOjl3g3LVxjxY+9kMGGmX+1PFfW90CpDDShRmKkkscEWaA > NiV0fX6U5LENBBnc6Q9ImLgXuaLdCqlBRBumJBk+eUUr007rpXXVAPck2NvUzGyM2v > kNNGlT68hGzEg== > From: <christian(a)sewagesludgeactionnetwork.com> > To: <ssan(a)lists.naturalintelligence.us> > References: > In-Reply-To: > Subject: How US chemical industry lobbying and cash defeated > regulation in Trump era > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 05:07:37 -0700 > Message-ID: > <020501d73a94$cbe17440$63a45cc0$(a)sewagesludgeactionnetwork.com> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0206_01D73A5A.1F831170" > Thread-Index: Adc6h7I/qzBKx1yOT6aPOuipppacoQACatZAAADW1wA= > Content-Language: en-us > > How US chemical industry lobbying and cash defeated regulation in > Trump era Industry's congressional allies defeated nearly all PFAS > legislation while the Trump EPA killed, watered down or slowalked new > rules > > https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/apr/26/us-chemical-compan > ies-lo > bbying-donation-defeated-regulation > > -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 5:54 PM To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Re: user mail not accepted On 4/26/21 5:41 PM, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-users wrote: > No. there was no response received by the user a la "results of your > email commands" > message. Simply the original email sent to the list. I would still like to see the complete raw message as received by the user. That's the only thing that can tell me how it got to that user and provide clues as to why it didn't go to the other list members. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: troubleshooting hyperkitty

by Morris Jones

On 12/9/2020 9:11 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> path: /opt/mailman/var/logs/archiver.log api_key <--- ?? Ugh ... I must have garbled my email. The files look fine. I don't know where that stray "api_key" came from. > The key in settings_local.py is MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY, not > MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM, a typo in your mail or ?? Yes, typo ... MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY is 'properly_quoted' and unquoted in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg I'm guessing the next thing I need to do is find a way to crank up the logging in mailman and look for occasions where it calls the hyperkitty endpoint and delivers the message. I tried this but it may not be the right syntax: [logging.archiver] level: debug path: /opt/mailman/var/logs/archiver.log Mojo -- Morris Jones, Monrovia, CA BridgeMojo <http://bridgemojo.com> Old Town Sidewalk Astronomers <http://otastro.org> Mojo's Blog <http://mojo.whiteoaks.com>

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Edit archived email? Is it possible?

by Prasanth Nair

Hi Mark, As you know, we can edit the individual messages using the message_id_hash. Is there any possibility that we can edit the original message which then updates all of the threads it has (for example, if someone already replied to the original message)? Or do we need to edit each message manually? Kind regards, Prasanth On Wed, 29 Sept 2021 at 15:46, Prasanth Nair <prasanth.nair(a)linaro.org> wrote: > Hi Mark, > > Many thanks for your help. I have managed to modify some of the messages > after following your instructions. > > Kind regards, > Prasanth > > On Wed, 29 Sept 2021 at 08:08, Prasanth Nair <prasanth.nair(a)linaro.org> > wrote: > >> Hi Mark, >> >> Thank you for your help. Let me try this. >> >> Kind regards, >> Prasanth >> >> On Tue, 28 Sept 2021 at 18:03, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >> >>> On 9/28/21 6:02 AM, Prasanth Nair wrote: >>> > Hello, >>> > >>> > Does anyone know how to edit an archived email in Mailman3? It is >>> possible >>> > in Mailman2 ( >>> > >>> https://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20edit%20the%20archives%20of%20a%20M… >>> ). >>> > Is there any option similar to this in Mailman3? >>> >>> >>> In some sense the process is the same but possibly even simpler in >>> Mailman 3. You need to modify the underlying data which requires >>> appropriate access to the server. >>> >>> In Mailman 3, the data are in the hyperkitty_email table in Mailman's >>> database. You can get the Message-ID hash from the URL to the archived >>> message, e.g. for the message to which I'm replying, the URL is >>> >>> https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… >>> and the hash is 7PVJL23DLSWMXXL44ALQUO6VSYBRZ4OA. Then if you have >>> access, you can do database queries like >>> ``` >>> SELECT subject, content FROM hyperkitty_email WHERE message_id_hash = >>> '7PVJL23DLSWMXXL44ALQUO6VSYBRZ4OA'; >>> ``` >>> and >>> ``` >>> UPDATE hyperkitty_email SET content = '<new content>' WHERE >>> message_id_hash = '7PVJL23DLSWMXXL44ALQUO6VSYBRZ4OA'; >>> UPDATE hyperkitty_email SET subject = '<new subject>' WHERE >>> message_id_hash = '7PVJL23DLSWMXXL44ALQUO6VSYBRZ4OA'; >>> ``` >>> If the message has attachments, they are in the hyperkitty_attachment >>> table and can be referenced by `email_id` which is the corresponding >>> `id` from the hyperkitty_email entry. >>> >>> You can also do similar things via `django-admin shell`. E.g. >>> ``` >>> $ django-admin shell >>> Python ... >>> (InteractiveConsole) >>> >>> from hyperkitty.models.email import Email >>> >>> x = >>> Email.objects.filter(message_id_hash='7PVJL23DLSWMXXL44ALQUO6VSYBRZ4OA') >>> >>> print(x[0].content) >>> ``` >>> but this requires some knowledge of HyperKitty's models and Django's ORM. >>> >>> -- >>> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, >>> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >>> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >>> >>

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: sass error

by Alexander Klotz

Am 19.04.18 um 16:41 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 04/19/2018 02:41 AM, Alexander Klotz wrote: >> Hi everybody, >> >> we tried to make a fresh installation out of the current version >> following the readme.md - we encounter the following error trying to do >> so. As mentioned elsewhere, 'sass' has been replaced by 'sassc', >> however, maybe somewhere there is still a reference to it that may have >> been overlooked? The answer to a similar error posted to this list in >> August 2017 unfortunately didn't help either. > > > What do you have in your Django settings for COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS? > > Do you actually have sass or sassc installed? > Hi Mark, the error was indeed in our local django setting, it still said "sass" on there - sorry and thanks! Regards, Alex

7 years

[MM3-users] Re: migration

by Dave McGuire

On 7/30/21 4:18 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> Ok. I guess first I've got to figure out where the database lives. >> I've not been hacking on mm3, just using it. > > What's in the [database] section of your mailman.cfg? and the DATABASES > definition of your Django local settings. > > The database is managed by some database manager. If it is Postgres or > MySQL/MariaDB, there are actual database servers. If it is the default > SQLite, it's probably Mailman's var/data/mailman.db Ok, I will dig into it in the coming days. (and I will take a lot of notes this time) Thank you for the pointers. I'll come back on this if I need further help figuring it out. As always, I appreciate your time. Thanks, -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: uncaught bounce messages

by David Bremner

Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> writes: > On 10/23/21 4:23 PM, David Bremner wrote: >>> This particular machine is running debian oldstable, so things are a bit >>> out of date. mailman-core is 3.2.1 and flufl.bounce is 3.0. I'll look >>> into upgrading at least flufl.bounce. >> >> Oh. It's actually 3.0.1. Still not new enough, but 3 years newer. > > > I don't think it's a flufl.bounce issue. I think it's a Mailman 3.2.1 > issue - https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/622 which is fixed > in Mailman 3.3.0 Oh great, I just upgraded to Mailman 3.3.0, so I'll see what happens. I did notice a bunch (10 or 20?) of subscribers being disabled for being over the bounce threshhold right after the upgrade, I wonder if that is related. d

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman 3, postfix domains, and postgresql cannot authenticate user

by Odhiambo Washington

The nomenclature aside, if you follow the above link, you should have a running MM3 without much ado, seeing as even your version of PostgreSQL is less than 15, where a little nudging is required :) On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 12:38 AM Keith Christian via Mailman-users < mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > Odhiambo, Yes, trying to. > > Mark, I'll review your suggestions. > > Thanks. > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2024, 12:52 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > On 7/3/24 09:22, Keith Christian via Mailman-users wrote: > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > First issue:Postfix v3.5.8 on RHEL 8. > > > The below is from journalctl -xe: > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Jul 03 08:12:04 somehost.somedomain postfix/qmgr[947499]: error: open > > > database /opt/mailman3/mm/var/data/postfix_domains.db: No such file or > > > directory > > > Jul 03 08:12:42 somehost.somedomain postfix/smtpd[947510]: error: open > > > database /opt/mailman3/mm/var/data/postfix_domains.db: No such file or > > > directory > > > Jul 03 08:12:42 somehost.somedomain postfix/smtpd[947510]: error: open > > > database /opt/mailman3/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp.db: No such file or > > > directory > > > > > > I manually created the var_dir: /opt/mailman3/mm/var directory > > > specified in the mailman.cfg file. > > > How do I find out how to populate the postfix_domains.db files, and > > > the postfix_lmtp.db file? > > > > > > The `mailman aliases` command generates the postfix_domains and > > postfix_lmtp files and calls the configured postmap_command (default > > /usr/sbin/postmap) to create the .db files. `mailman start` also > > generates these files by default. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Second issue: Postgresql authentication. > > > PostgreSQL v10.23. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > I have this in the active mailman3.cfg file, where xxxxxxxxxx is the > > > same complex password in the mailman3 config file: > > > url: postgresql://mailman3:xxxxxxxxxx@localhost/mailman3/mailman3 > > > > > > I don't think you should have two /mailman3 at the end > > > > the form is `postgresql://user:password@host:port/database_name` The > > default port is 5432. > > > > -- > > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > Archived at: > > > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > > > This message sent to keith1christian(a)gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to odhiambo(a)gmail.com > -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

9 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Auth question

by David Krantz

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:06 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > In mailman_hyperkitty.conf, the key isn't quoted. I.e., if in > production.py or wherever, you have set > > MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = 'arch_secret' > > in mailman_hyperkitty.conf you set > > [general] > ... > api_key: arch_secret > > No quotes around the api_key value. Ok, I'll try that. Thought that I had, but probably not just that combination then. Also: Found a bug in Hyperkitty, or at least in my setup: Private lists are visible in the "By Name" dialog in the archives when not logged in. The actual content is not visible, but the activity statistics is displayed (although there is none as the login for archiving as of yet does not work). Hopefully this will correct itself when the communication mailman3-hyperkitty gets active. cheers // David

8 years

[MM3-users] Re: Auth question

by David Krantz

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:06 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > In mailman_hyperkitty.conf, the key isn't quoted. I.e., if in > production.py or wherever, you have set > > MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = 'arch_secret' > > in mailman_hyperkitty.conf you set > > [general] > ... > api_key: arch_secret > > No quotes around the api_key value. Ok, I'll try that. Thought that I had, but probably not just that combination then. Also: Found a bug in Hyperkitty, or at least in my setup: Private lists are visible in the "By Name" dialog in the archives when not logged in. The actual content is not visible, but the activity statistics is displayed (although there is none as the login for archiving as of yet does not work). Hopefully this will correct itself when the communication mailman3-hyperkitty gets active. cheers // David

8 years

[MM3-users] Re: LTMP to Postfix problem

by Brian Carpenter

On 6/18/20 6:19 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > If you have it, look through the mailman.log for entries around the last > time the connections started to be refused. See if there are entries > about the runner exiting. Also, just before you restarted, there will be > several runner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. and runner exiting. messages. > If lmtp runner is among those, it was still running when you restarted. So lmtp runner was NOT running when I restarted mailman core, however I saw no error messages in the mailman.log at the time of the first instance of the connection refused message. -- Please let me know if you need further assistance. Thank you for your business. We appreciate our clients. Brian Carpenter EMWD.com -- EMWD's Knowledgebase: https://clientarea.emwd.com/index.php/knowledgebase EMWD's Community Forums http://discourse.emwd.com/

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: aborted connection

by Sandor Dibuz

On 2/19/22 20:46, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/19/22 05:23, Sandor Dibuz wrote: >> >> Feb 19 14:15:18 localhost mariadbd[28859]: 2022-02-19 14:15:18 22154 >> [Warning] Aborted connection 22154 to db: 'mailman3' user: 'mailman3' >> host: 'localhost' (Got an error reading communication packets) > > You may be correct in your assumption that these are harmless. I would > try to correlate them with access and error logs from the web/wsgi > server to get more information. It's the mailman quarterly cron job: # Every 15 minutes, gate messages from usenet to those lists which have the gateway configured */15 * * * * list if [ -x /usr/bin/mailman ]; then /usr/bin/mailman gatenews; fi And I have no gateway enabled for any of them. Will have to find out what mailman exactly does. And change MariaDB to verbose logging. Sanyi

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Is there a "global" max_message_size?

by skenny＠scss.tcd.ie

Mark Sapiro wrote: > > Mailman's lmtp runner which implements the server that receives mail via > LMTP uses the aiosmtpd.lmtp.LMTP class to implement the server. This has > a default size limit of 33554432 bytes (32 MB) and that's where the "552 > Error: Too much mail data" comes from. Ah - fantastic! I had tried a fairly crude trawl through the mailman-core container files (not knowing what exactly to look for really), but failed to come up with anything. > There is also the message_size_limit setting in postfix. Presumably > you've changed that because it defaults to 10240000 bytes (about 10 MB). Yes I fortunately did remember to set this to a very high value (way higher than 32MB) during testing. Thanks so much for the explanation Mark, very much appreciated. Stephen

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderated Signup with "info" box?

by Brian Carpenter

On 12/7/20 10:13 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 12/7/20 8:01 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> Keep in mind that Mailman 3's REST API is only accessible locally. So to >> access Mailman 3's REST API from another server is not remotely >> possible. (see what I did there?) > > The REST API is only accessible locally by default. It is certainly > possible to configure the webservice section of mailman.cfg to be able > to access it remotely - if you do this, be sure not to use the default > admin_pass. There is also an authenticating REST proxy project called > lemme (possibly abandoned) at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/lemme>. Thank you for the clarification. I did not know that. Is that made clear in the documentation? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Sanity check of upgrade procedure

by David Newman

On 10/26/22 6:14 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> Attempting uninstall: mailman-web >> Found existing installation: mailman-web 0.0.6.dev9+gc606169 >> Uninstalling mailman-web-0.0.6.dev9+gc606169: >> Successfully uninstalled mailman-web-0.0.6.dev9+gc606169 >> ERROR: Could not install packages due to an OSError: [Errno 13] >> Permission denied: 'WHEEL' >> Check the permissions. >> >> The command also said I needed to upgrade pip. Doing that produced a >> similar error. >> >> How to resolve this error? Thanks again. > > Was the venv initially created as the `mailman` user? Maybe > > sudo chown mailman:mailman /path/to/venv > > will fix it. Yup, that was it. Some Django directories were owned by root. The installation ran clean after running 'chown -R mailman:mailman' on those directories. Thanks! dn

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Is there a way of recording bounce messages?

by Andrew Hodgson

Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >On 9/21/23 11:28, Andrew Hodgson wrote: >> >> Hmm. I'm on 3.3.8 and there was no attached bounce message in any of the reports. >Can you provide one of the bounce report messages and the corresponding bounce message from the MTA log. I only have the message I would get as the owner of the list that the delivery has been disabled, I don't have the original bounce message. One thing to note is the bounce messages coming in from Gmail are being generated by Office 365 (as that is the outbound smarthost for the Mailman server), so it may be due to the format of those NDRs why we aren't seeing the original bounce messages attached to the email. Thanks. Andrew.

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 Docker

by Abhilash Raj

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019, at 5:52 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 03:29, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > On 1/7/19 1:18 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 at 23:39, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > >> > > >> Please help me understand what steps are missing and I will try to > > >> provide the information. > > > > > > > > > Okay. > > > > > > At the installation stage, you say the following: > > > "I already had some things set up in /opt/mailman including a git > > > subdirectory containing clones of the GitLab mailman, mailmanclient, > > > mailman-hyperkitty, hyperkitty, django-mailman3 and > > > postorius projects. On the third server I have added mailman-suite > > > because I use the settings.py from that project as the basis for mine." > > > > > > Please assume that the reader is a newbie to python3 virtualenv and give > > the > > > details of the commands they need to execute to (a) clone all the > > projects > > > needed > > > and (b) create the virtualenv. > > > > > > The next steps are: > > > mkdir /opt/mailman/mm > > > > > > Then you say "I then created a /opt/mailman/mm directory and within that > > a > > > Python 3.6 virtualenv" > > > What happens here is something that needs clarification, because you are > > > specific about "python3.6". > > > I have googled and realized that one has to be specific about the python > > > version they want to use in their virtualenv > > > as shown here -> > > > > > https://stackoverflow.com/questions/45293436/how-to-specify-python-version-… > > > > > > exact command to execute to create the /opt/mailman/mm/venv > > > exact command to execute to activate virtualenv > > > > > > I have added a comment to the page which I hope gives you what you want. > > > > I also added a section on templates instead of referring to a prior > > version of the page. > > > > That makes it better. > However, as a newbie, something is not yet clear: > > "When active in a particular shell, it can be deactivated with the command > > deactivate > or by exiting that shell." > > HI am trying to understand the effect of detaching from a venv. I am > assuming that a virtualenv is a container that is supposed to be always > active for the services within to be accessible. Is that right? So, how do > I ensure it's always running/up, or that does not matter as the scripts > which run the services will always refer to the files? virtualenv is not actually a container that is supposed to be active. It is merely a set of settings that are applied to your SHELL when you are in the virtual environment. It is not supposed to be always active, only when you actually want to run commands in that virtual environment. The services will keep on running after you deactivate your shell and would function like other normal services on your machine. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

6 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Weird response to postings after subscriptions and accounts

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/18/19 11:24 PM, Paul Arenson wrote: > > In the case of Mailman 3 much depends on the individual list and its settings, so my conclusion is it is mostly on me. With just a suggestion that you have a SIGN UP blue button to make things less confusing and not necessitating multiple clicking. This is difficult. See my reply to your first message. You will notice that when you click sign-up in either Postorius or HyperKitty, you go to <https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/accounts/signup/> which is neither Postorius nor HyperKitty but Django. So the current process is click sign-up, go to Django and sign up, then go back to Postorius and subscribe. To do this all in one step, Postorius would need to send you to /accounts/signup/?next=/postorius/lists/discuss.list.tokyoprogressive.org/ which it currently does, but there would need to be extra communication between Django and Postorius so that when Django returned to /postorius/lists/discuss.list.tokyoprogressive.org/, Postorius would know to tell Core to subscribe you. However, this is missing a step, because Django sends you an email requesting you to confirm your address, and you don't actually have an account until you confirm. This dance also renders the next=/postorius/lists/discuss.list.tokyoprogressive.org/ ineffective. Presumably Postorius could tell Core to subscribe you anyway even though you haven't confirmed your account, but Postorius doesn't know what address you signed up with. > The main obstacle I found was I had my list settings as NO to "Choose whether to include this list on the list of all lists". Changing this to "Yes" made it a little easier. > > Here are my two tests and conclusion. > > 2) TEST 1 > ________ > Sign up first... > https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/postorius/lists/discuss.list.tokyoprogres… > ...you will find that if I have said NO on "Choose whether to include this list on the list of all lists” you will find it hard to go back to the subscribe page. Unless you backspace. Or paste the address again. Not ideal > > > QUESTIONS: Am I missing something? By not having my discussion listed, people cannot find it to subscribe. > > Or is NOT LISTED better where I add people manually to subscribe and then tell them to sign up? If you want people to be able to find your list by going to <https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/postorius/> or for that matter, to <https://mailman3.emwd.com/postorius/> or if you think having it there is helpful in any way, set List Identity -> Show list on index page to Yes. Otherwise set it to No. > 3) TEST 2 > ________ > One solution is I could put the list back on the host’s list of lists back and tell people to click on Discuss. > > That is what I did for now. Then it is rather smooth. I could tell my users (especially ones from previous company’s mailing list who want to interact with the hyperkitty site) > > to > CLICK LOGIN > CLICK SIGNIN > then follow all these steps: > > Verify > > Confirm > > Get taken to sign in page > > Click Discuss > > Subscribe > > Click Archives > > Or I could leave it as it is and tell people to backspace until they find the signup page and then subscribe. > > Or tell them to copy and paste https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/postorius/lists/discuss.list.tokyoprogres… > > or https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/accounts/signup/ in the same browser window and then subscribe. > > CONCLUSION and SUGGESTION—> WHY NOT HAVE A SEPARATE BLUE BUTTON TO SIGN UP TO AVOID THE CONFUSING clicking twice? See above. > IS THIS THE ANSWER?— > > Tell my users as follows on a WORDPRESS PAGE as follows: > > - - - - - - - - - - - - > Greetings. If you have never signed up before, follow instructions A. If you are coming from the previous dadamail list, follow instructions B > > > INSTRUCTIONS A > Steps 1-3 to get on the mailing list and be able to post from your email account. > Continue to steps 4 and 5 if you want to see the archives and post from that page. (Note to Mark: I have turned the archives off by default to make it more of a no brainer to want to sign up) > > > INSTRUCTIONS B > You are already registered, you will continue to get messages and be able to send to the list. If you want to keep using the same email address you are all set and do not need to do anything. > > If you want to keep using the same address, but also be able to access the archives, follow steps 4 and 5 only. > > If you want to register a new address, follow steps 1-5 below. > > 1) Go here > https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/postorius/lists/discuss.list.tokyoprogres… > Add your email address at the BOTTOM of the page. Name is optional. > > 2) Then wait for email to reply to come. > > 3) That’s it. You can stop here. However, you can sign up to the archives which makes this list more of a forum to see at a glance old conversations. And you can also post from it. To do so, continue to steps 4 and 5, > > 4) Right on the same page, you can sign up and sign in by clicking > log in and then sign up and then follow the same procedure as above. (Mark, SEE SUGGESTION FOR A BLUE SIGN UP BUTTON). > > 5) Once you have signed up, you can log in to access the archives and web posting. > - - - - - - - - - - - - > > Hope the above long winded post was clear. Feel like I am sseing the lite. > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Member Issue Discovered

by Victoriano Giralt

El vie, 23-10-2020 a las 08:19 -0700, Mark Sapiro escribió: > > This would be more difficult for Postorius/Hyperkitty because those > users are Django users, but that isn't an issue for Affinity. > All of a sudden, an idea has dawned on me ... Wouldn't it be possible for Postorius/Hyperkitty, both Django applications, to use Mailman core user model as their User model? It is just a setting for Django (AUTH_USER_MODEL). I've used it for some of my applications and works nicely. This would certainly improve users' experience. -- Victoriano Giralt Innovation Director Digital Transformation Vicerectorate University of Malaga +34952131415 SPAIN ================================================================== Note: signature.asc is the electronic signature of present message A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure ? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email ?

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: clone a list?

by Dave McGuire

On 1/17/22 4:16 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> Hi folks. Is there a way to clone or duplicate a list in MM3, i.e. >> create a list with a different name but other settings etc being >> identical? > > The short answer is not yet. > > Would you also want to clone the list membership? If not, you could > possibly do something directly with the database mailinglist table by > adding a new row with all the column values other than id, list_name and > list_id equal to those of the existing list. No, different membership. No problem, I'm just being lazy about it; I'll just duplicate it and copy the settings over manually. I only have two clones to make so it's really not a big deal. Thanks, -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: DKIM signatures with message footers or subject prefixes

by Stanisław Findeisen

On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 10:41:00AM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Also, your outgoing MTA should DKIM sign the mail on the way out. With that and the above setting, the outgoing message will have only your > valid DKIM signature and no prior Authentication-Results:. Ok, you mean after replacing the From address with the list address, right? I can see no way (or sense) to DKIM sign arbitrary From: addresses. This actually works quite good: the recipient just gets 2 DKIM signatures. The original one is broken, the MTA-generated one (after writing my list address into From) is OK. This is good enough even for ProtonMail (no red warning). What about this list (mailman-users). It looks this one also has From address replacement + conditional DMARC mitigation. And remove_dkim_headers: no. Correct? Thank you

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty list overview error: thread matching query does not exist

by Ken Alker

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 6/28/23 10:17 PM, Ken Alker wrote: > > Tthere is now an implication that my daily recent_threads_cache job must not have been running, true? Is there some way to check to see if the jobs are running? I did a "crontab -l" and the cron jobs that appear are identical to what was suggested at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html?highlight=period.... > > grep 'CRON.*runjobs' /var/log/syslog > > will tell you if cron is running the various runjobs commands. It is running every morning. Is it at all possible that running it manually did something that running it from CRON would not? I'm not sure why this solved the problem when the CRON job has been running every day.

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty - Non-ascii sender address

by Thomas G

you do > try: > sender_address = from_email.encode('ascii').decode("ascii").strip() > except (UnicodeDecodeError, UnicodeEncodeError): > sender_address = from_email.encode('ascii', errors='replace').decode("ascii").strip() It's perfect, thank ! Le sam. 3 nov. 2018 à 19:11, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> a écrit : > On 10/31/18 5:57 AM, Thomas G wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/blob/master/hyperkitty/lib/incoming.p… > > > > I changed "sender" for this; > > # Sender > > try: > > from_str = header_to_unicode(message['From']) > > from_name, from_email = parseaddr(from_str) > > from_name = unidecode.unidecode(from_name).strip() > > What is unidecode? > > > except (UnicodeDecodeError, UnicodeEncodeError): > > raise (ValueError("Non-ascii sender address", message)) > > > > try: > > sender_address = > from_email.encode('ascii').decode("ascii").strip() > > except (UnicodeDecodeError, UnicodeEncodeError): > > if from_name: > > sender_address = re.sub("[^a-z0-9]", "", from_name.lower()) > > if not sender_address: > > sender_address = "unknown(a)unknown.com" > > else: > > sender_address = "unknown(a)unknown.com" > > print("Non-ascii sender addre -- Sender address replaced by ", > > sender_address) > > > > I got this output (example): > > |Non-ascii sender address -- Sender address replaced by > > stephaneblipblopstlablipblopgmailcom > > It's not really perfect, I'm working to do something better, but > basically > > it's works. > > > The original code intends to provide some value for the email address > where parseaddr returns a null address. > > You have an address, and you would do better to remove the non-ascii > from the address than to try to make and address out of the sanitized > real name. > > Your issue is parseaddr() returns an email address with non-ascii. > > I would suggest that instead of > > > try: > > sender_address = > from_email.encode('ascii').decode("ascii").strip() > > except (UnicodeDecodeError, UnicodeEncodeError): > > if from_name: > > sender_address = re.sub("[^a-z0-9]", "", from_name.lower()) > > if not sender_address: > > sender_address = "unknown(a)unknown.com" > > else: > > sender_address = "unknown(a)unknown.com" > > you do > > > try: > > sender_address = > from_email.encode('ascii').decode("ascii").strip() > > except (UnicodeDecodeError, UnicodeEncodeError): > > sender_address = from_email.encode('ascii', > errors='replace').decode("ascii").strip() > > > > > > I think that there is a issue in the original code: > > Because : "" raise ValueError("Non-ascii sender address", message) "" > > > > The second part will be never call: > > It will if there is no exception. > > > if not sender_address: > > if from_name: > > sender_address = re.sub("[^a-z0-9]", "", from_name.lower()) > > if not sender_address: > > sender_address = "unknown" > > sender_address = "{}(a)example.com".format(sender_address) > > else: > > sender_address = "unknown(a)example.com" > > > > If you bypass : "" raise ValueError("Non-ascii sender address", message) > > "", by a simple print(), you will get an error due to an unassigned > > variable (sender_address). > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

6 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman 3.2.0 Hyperkitty fulltext index error

by Marvin Gülker

Hi, Am 12. Juli 2018 um 08:14 Uhr -0700 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > This is due the the change from Python 2.7 to Python 3. The existing > search index is not compatible with Python 3 whoosh. Ah, I see. > I fixed this by deleting all the files in the index directory which is > defined as PATH in HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS in your settings and running > 'django_admin update_index', but just running 'django_admin > rebuild_index' should do it. I simply followed your first suggestion, and it worked. I deleted all files in the index directory (which was "fulltext_index" in the "mailman-suite_project" directory, as we use https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/tree/master/mailman-suite_project) and then ran update_index. That took a while, but succeeded. Since then the errors are gone. Thank you! Marvin -- Blog: https://mg.guelker.eu PGP/GPG ID: F1D8799FBCC8BC4F

6 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Gmail emails bouncing - anybody seen this problem?

by worik

On 14/02/19 1:08 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Presumably this is list mail so your list copy should be the same except > for the few headers related to delivery from Mailman to you. Nope. I cannot send *any* emails to a gmail address. So it is the first "Welcome to the list" email. As far as I can tell there is no solution to the problem, which is why I ask is any one else having this problem? Am I incredibly unlucky or is this a known problem? I have a SPF record. I have tried a new VPS on a different IP address. Worik -- If not me then who? If not now then when? If not here then where? So, here I stand, I can do no other root(a)worik.org 021-1680650, (03) 4821804 Aotearoa (New Zealand)

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Weird hourly indexing error

by Mark Dadgar

On May 5, 2020, at 4:01 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > As to the patch not working, there is a different patch at > <https://github.com/alexsilva/xapian-haystack/commit/a53523d2d0d13929a0729d4…> > which may work. > > There is one issue with this patch. Namely it calls force_str() in the > section > >> + # https://trac.xapian.org/wiki/FAQ/UniqueIds#Workingroundthetermlengthlimit >> + # Working round the term length limit >> + word = force_str(word) >> + word_length = len(word) > > > but xapian_backend.py imports force_text > <https://github.com/notanumber/xapian-haystack/blob/master/xapian_backend.py…>. > They are actually synonymous > <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/3.0/ref/utils/#module-django.utils.encodi…>, > but just appliing the patch without changinf force_str to force_text > won't work. The second patch did not work either. Ahh, well. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION option

by Henry S

Thanks Mark. That's exactly what I am looking for. On 3/12/2020 1:09 pm, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 12/2/20 5:42 PM, Henry S via Mailman-users wrote: >> I am trying to change email "To" field to user's email instead of >> mailing list's email. e.g. "To: <user(a)gmail.com>" instead of "To: >> <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org>" > > In Postorius set Settings -> Alter Messages -> Personalize to Full. > > >> I looked around old mailman configs they mentioned about adding >> >> OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION option in mm_cfg.py >> >> is this feature still available in mailman3 ? Can I do it via Postorius >> or REST API? > > There is no setting in Mailman 3 to control the ability to set > personalization. It is always available. > >

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Mailman 3 Installation Packaging

by ddw David Wilson

Salutations; I understand that work is in progress to provide a convenient installation tool to facilitate getting the suite of requisite programs installed and working harmoniously with a minimum of hassle? I assume that involves some combination of containers and/or virtual environments to insulate and isolate issues and facilitate portability. In addition, it would entail Mailman 3, Hyperkitty, Posterius and also Django, etc. The database selection of PostgreSQL or other. Other optionals to be configured would be the email utilities such as Postfix, etc Personally, my server of choice would run Centos. I gather Mark Sapiro was working on this as well? *Is there sufficient progress to warrant believing that such a capability might exist in the 2016 August - September time frame as was suggested some time back? Or are there any revised time-frames? Or an approximate estimated road-map?* Best regards. Dave Wilson

8 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Imported Digest Settings

by Brian Carpenter

On 2/16/21 5:21 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Depends what the issue is. The two most obvious approaches are upgrade > to Mailman 3.3.3 if you aren't already there and switch from plain to > MIME digests, but I would really like to see the full raw source of this > digest messages to try to see if there is some other issue. > > >> What I did: I had the client change the list member's digest setting >> from plain-text to mime. Was that the right instruction to do? > It will probably help, but if this is Mailman 3.3.3, there's still a bug > somewhere that needs to be diagnosed and fixed. Hi Mark, The beginning of my OP stated I was using Mailman 3.3.3. Remember to use your reading glasses old man! -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Is it possible yet to install Mailman 3 for Ubuntu 22.04?

by Eggert Ehmke

I can confirm the virtualenv method. It works well on all Debian derived systems like Ubuntu, and you are independent of the package release cycle of the distribution. My system works on Debian 11, Mailman3, MariaDb, uwsgi, Apache, Postfix. No problems so far. Regards, Eggert Am Freitag, 14. April 2023, 22:30:14 CEST schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 4/14/23 12:44, Mark London wrote: > > Is it possible yet to install Mailman 3 for Ubuntu 22.04? > > Yes. We recommend following the instructions at > <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html> but there > are also Debian/Ubuntu packages. You can install the mailman3-full > package with apt. This will install Mailman core as well as the > Postorius and HyperKitty web packages, but the versions are several > releases old.

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: [Mailman-Users] MM3 startup issues

by Mark Sapiro

Restoring original Subject:, and doesn't this thread belong on mailman-users(a)msailman3.org - CCing there. On 1/5/20 11:51 PM, Allan Hansen wrote: > > Thanks again, Mark! > My responses below. > >> On 1/4/20 5:47 PM, Allan Hansen wrote: >>> >>> a. The server was set up with the wrong domain name (our fault), so I had to add the ‘correct’ one. I had seen the command ‘Add Domain’ in >>> the UI and thought that would do it, but Brian kindly sent me a list of additional instructions, which we then implemented. That made it possible to create a list in the new domain, subscribe people and post messages. However, messages are not archived. What extra step is needed to enable archiving? >> >> >> What are the setytings in Postorius -> Settings -> Archiving? > > Archive policy: Private archives > Archive archivers: hyperkitty, prototype Are the messages in Mailman's var/archives/prototype/LIST@DOMAIN/new directory? Are there messages in Mailman's var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ directory? What's the setting for base_url in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg? Are there any errors in var/logs/mailman.log? >>> b. When go to the server using the new domain (both before and after logging in), I see not just the lists I created in the new domain, but the lists created in the old domain. These lists of lists are domain specific and should not be listed together. That’s just IMHO, but not serious, as I will soon get rid of anything in the old domain. So feel free to ignore this one if this is intended, which I could see might be the case. >> >> >> Set >> >> FILTER_VHOST = True >> >> in settings_local.py >> > > Yes, Brian told me to do the same. This is the what I wrote back: > > hansen@rccrmail:/opt/mailman/mm$ sudo vi settings.py > > Edited the setting to: > # Only display mailing-lists from the same virtual host as the webserver > FILTER_VHOST = True You shouldn't edit settings.py. You should override the setting by putting it in settings_local.py. > Then Brian told me to restart qcluster: > hansen@rccrmail:/opt/mailman/mm$ sudo systemctl restart qcluster qcluster is not what you need to restart. You need to restart whatever is supporting the wsgi interface to Django. This may be uwsgi or gunicorn or ??. Whatever it is, that's what needs to be restarted. > I then logged in, but the same lists are showing. It either takes the system a long time to reset or it has ignored the > setting. > Just tried it again, and the lists are all showing. Do I need to manually recompile the file? > >> >>> c. I then moved on to the templates and added a template for the message text to send to new subscribers. That resulted in the following error message when I went in as moderator to approve of a new subscription: >>> >>> Something went wrong >>> Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core. >> >> >> Postorius is unable to access core's REST API. Is Mailman running? > > Well, I was able to post to the lists, so I assume it is. Listing at processes, I see a bunch of postgres, python3, nginx, django-adminp but > nothing explicitly with a ‘mailman’ string. If you do `ps ax|grep runner=`, what do you see? If you don't see at least three processes with `--runner=rest:0:1`, stop Mailman and start Mailman. >> If so, what's in /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/mailmansuite.log or whatever it's >> called - defined as `filename` in the `file` handler in the LOGGING >> definition in settings(_local).py. > > hansen@rccrmail:/opt/mailman/mm/logs$ tail -f mailmansuite.log > return Site.objects.get_current(request) > File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/django/contrib/sites/models.py", line 60, in get_current > return self._get_site_by_request(request) > File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/django/contrib/sites/models.py", line 45, in _get_site_by_request > SITE_CACHE[domain] = self.get(domain__iexact=domain) > File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 82, in manager_method > return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) > File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 408, in get > self.model._meta.object_name > django.contrib.sites.models.Site.DoesNotExist: Site matching query does not exist. This is because of the domain change. In settings(_local).py you have a setting for SITE_ID. Possibly, setting that in settings_local.py to a value one greater that the current setting will do. To be certain of the correct value, you need to look at the django_site table in mailman's database. That table has 3 columns, id, domain and name. The id for the row of your domain is what needs to be set as SITE_ID. > [ABH] At this point I click to accept a subsription request: > > ERROR 2020-01-06 07:32:41,439 699 postorius.middleware Mailman REST API not available > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 672, in urlopen > chunked=chunked, > File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 421, in _make_request > six.raise_from(e, None) > File "<string>", line 3, in raise_from > File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 416, in _make_request > httplib_response = conn.getresponse() > File "/usr/lib/python3.7/http/client.py", line 1321, in getresponse > response.begin() > File "/usr/lib/python3.7/http/client.py", line 296, in begin > version, status, reason = self._read_status() > File "/usr/lib/python3.7/http/client.py", line 265, in _read_status > raise RemoteDisconnected("Remote end closed connection without" > http.client.RemoteDisconnected: Remote end closed connection without response > > So yes, the REST API is not there. How can I get it going? Stop Mailman and then start it. > Before we added the new domain, I was able to accept subscription requests to the previous domain’s lists. No more. > > Yours, > > Allan -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Maximum number of recipients Setting

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > I understand it's confusing, but it's been that way since the beginning > of Mailman 2.1. The docs at > <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rules/docs…> > say "For backward compatibility, the message must have fewer than the > maximum number of explicit recipients." That's just weird. I guess the test is expressed "len(recipients) < maximum_recipients"? It would be easy to change "<" to "<=", but "backward compatibility" (and yes, it would be an annoying and mysterious change if you're using max_recips = 2 to enforce "no CCs" and after an upgrade CCs started sending annoying dupes to your subscribers). I wonder if it would be worth having an explicit backward compatibility setting so that we could change these things going forward. Steve

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: Python error, debian package, again

by Lars Schimmer

On 11/5/19 6:48 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/5/19 7:04 AM, Lars Schimmer wrote: >> >> Abhilash Raj (maxking) mentionend, it maybe a issue with mailman core >> trying to deliver the message to hyperkitty. >> But how can I remove those broken messages, or twitch hyperkitty to >> accept and discard them? > > > Look in Mailman's var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ directory. This is > where messages that mailman-hyperkitty can't deliver to hyperkitty are > kept for retry. Yeah, there are some in this folder. Can I simply remove those entries from the spool directory? Or do I need to fiddle with any cmdline tool? thank you. MfG, Lars Schimmer -- ------------------------------------------------------------- TU Graz, Institut für ComputerGraphik & WissensVisualisierung Tel: +43 316 873-5405 E-Mail: l.schimmer(a)cgv.tugraz.at Fax: +43 316 873-5402 PGP-Key-ID: 0x4A9B1723

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: config incoming email in my domain cpanel

by Rafael Mora

El jue., 3 ago. 2017 a las 16:07, tlhackque via Mailman-users (< mailman-users(a)mailman3.org>) escribió: > You've said you're working with labbrands.com. > > labbrands.com has address 192.185.51.89 > mail.labbrands.com has address 192.185.51.89 > www.labbrands.com is an alias for labbrands.com. > > telnet proves that Exim is running on that IP address. Either you're > running it, or hostgator is redirecting the SMTP ports. > > You added: > lists.labbrands.com has address 190.145.27.66 > > Presumably that's a different machine. > > So that now needs an MX record, and a firewall routing. I added the MX record on our hostgator hosting like this: [image: image.png] Is it correct??? > And the SPF > records ... and spam and virus filters, and all the other stuff you need > to setup an independent, public-facing smtp server. > > But at least you won't have to relay. > > Good luck. > > On 03-Aug-17 16:55, Rafael Mora wrote: > > El jue., 3 ago. 2017 a las 15:49, tlhackque via Mailman-users (< > > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org>) escribió: > > > >> I think you're confused. > >> > >> You already have mail.labbrands.com set up as the MX record for > >> labbrands.com. And it has an A record with the same address as your > >> webserver. > >> > > I'm working with the hostgator mailserver, we are not running a local > > mailserver. > > > > As suggested I added an A record like this: > > [image: image.png] > > > > Is it correct? is it redirecting to my Ip so I can redirect it to my > > postfix/mm3 server? > > > > > >> So if you're getting e-mail on that domain, there's another e-mail > >> server running on that IP address. You can't have 2 servers on port > >> 25. In that case, as has been noted before, you'll need to setup a > >> relay in that server, not a firewall redirect. Depending on your MTA, > >> you would need to relay to your internal server. And make sure your > >> firewall setup allows your MTA to do this. > >> > >> We can see it's EXIM: > >> > >> telnet mail.labbrands.com 25 > >> Trying 192.185.51.89... > >> Connected to mail.labbrands.com (192.185.51.89). > >> Escape character is '^]'. > >> help > >> 220-gator4137.hostgator.com ESMTP Exim 4.87 #1 Thu, 03 Aug 2017 > 15:47:48 > >> -0500 > >> 220-We do not authorize the use of this system to transport unsolicited, > >> 220 and/or bulk e-mail. > >> 214-Commands supported: > >> 214 AUTH STARTTLS HELO EHLO MAIL RCPT DATA NOOP QUIT RSET HELP > >> quit > >> 221 gator4137.hostgator.com closing connection > >> Connection closed by foreign host. > >> > >> Or, consolidate all your e-mail to one server - which is a lot easier to > >> manage unless you have a really big operation. Postfix is probably the > >> right choice, but requires more setup. > >> > >> Although Mailman3 configuration is not well documented (as you've > >> discovered), you may want to get help from someone with more general > >> network and mail experience. You're now into territory that is, as > >> Simon indicated, not Mailman-specific. > >> > >> On 03-Aug-17 16:28, Rafael Mora wrote: > >>> El jue., 3 ago. 2017 a las 15:26, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) > >> escribió: > >>>> On 08/03/2017 01:22 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: > >>>>> El jue., 3 ago. 2017 a las 15:18, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) > >>>> escribió: > >>>>>> You need to forward port 25 for SMTP mail delivery and if you want > the > >>>>>> web UI (Postorius and HyperKitty) accessible from the outside, port > 80 > >>>>>> for http and/or port 443 for https > >>>>>> < > >>>>>> > >> > https://www.iana.org/assignments/service-names-port-numbers/service-names-p… > >>>>>>> . > >>>>> I mean for incoming mail redirected from my hostgator hosting, > because > >>>> when > >>>>> I suscribe an email address MM3 sends a confirmation email, so I have > >> to > >>>>> reply to be suscribed to the list. > >>>> As I said, for mail delivery you need to forward port 25 to the > Mailman > >>>> server. > >>>> > >>> Ok so I'll redirect in my zentyal firewall the port 25 to my local > >> centos7 > >>> with postfix and MM3 with IP 192.168.1.42. Thanks Mark. > >>> > >>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > >>>> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Mailman-users mailing list > >>>> mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > >>>> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > >>>> > >> -- > >> This communication may not represent my employer's views, > >> if any, on the matters discussed. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Mailman-users mailing list > >> mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > >> > > -- > This communication may not represent my employer's views, > if any, on the matters discussed. > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

7 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Sanity check of upgrade procedure

by David Newman

On 10/26/22 3:10 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/26/22 11:08, David Newman wrote: >> >> For these new releases, is that mistune step still needed? > > > No. That is one of the issues fixed in HyperKitty 1.3.6 which now > requires mistune>=2.0.0,<3.0 and will work with those versions. OK, thanks. Before getting to mistune, this command, run as mailman in a venv: pip install -U mailman postorius django-mailman3 hyperkitty mailman-web uwsgi Mailmanclient produced this error: .. Attempting uninstall: mailman-web Found existing installation: mailman-web 0.0.6.dev9+gc606169 Uninstalling mailman-web-0.0.6.dev9+gc606169: Successfully uninstalled mailman-web-0.0.6.dev9+gc606169 ERROR: Could not install packages due to an OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 'WHEEL' Check the permissions. The command also said I needed to upgrade pip. Doing that produced a similar error. How to resolve this error? Thanks again. dn

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 breaking DKIM signatures

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 1/23/25 12:53 AM, Danil Smirnov via Mailman-users wrote: > > Doesn't this parameter fits better? > > > > https://docs.python.org/3/library/email.policy.html#email.policy.EmailPolic… > > That would be better except Mailman uses the legacy > email.message.Message class whose policy is Compat32 and the Compat32 > policy doesn't accept refold_source. I would welcome a patch, especially if (a) tested on a system offering lists to the general public (or some organization large and diverse enough to support the span of the MUAs cat(1), mutt, Thunderbird, and Outlook), and (b) enabling owners at some level to select policy. I don't promise to apply (it's not my call), but I've personally been interested in a number of issues that can probably be addressed via email.policy tweaks. Steve

3 months

[MM3-users] Google Summer of Docs

by Terri Oda

On March 24, 2019 10:51:07 p.m. PDT, "Stephen J. Turnbull" <turnbull.stephen.fw(a)u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote: >Ralph Seichter writes: > > * Mark Sapiro: > > >> > If you post an issue at ><https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues>, > > > one of our GSOC aspirants may pick it up. > > > > Done, although I wonder if any GSOC participant would want to write > > documentation instead of code... ;-) > >For their actual, Google-supported, project, Google explicitly >excludes documentation. > They do for Google Summer of **Code** but they've just announced Google Summer of **Docs** which sounds really neat and we might want to participate. (It's my personal opinion that our docs have really suffered since I finished my PhD and stopped using them as a warmup exercise when I was procrastinating on writing my thesis. *grin*)

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: Link in the top-left corner of Hyperkitty

by Seth Seeger

> On May 8, 2020, at 11:13 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > It should show the display name corresponding to the domain name that > matches the domain in the URL that you go to. If this doesn't seem > correct, perhaps there is some issue with the way you are proxying in > your web server. Here is my proxy entry in Nginx: location / { include uwsgi_params; uwsgi_pass 172.19.199.3:8080; uwsgi_read_timeout 300; } My uwsgi_params file: uwsgi_param QUERY_STRING $query_string; uwsgi_param REQUEST_METHOD $request_method; uwsgi_param CONTENT_TYPE $content_type; uwsgi_param CONTENT_LENGTH $content_length; uwsgi_param REQUEST_URI $request_uri; uwsgi_param PATH_INFO $document_uri; uwsgi_param DOCUMENT_ROOT $document_root; uwsgi_param SERVER_PROTOCOL $server_protocol; uwsgi_param REQUEST_SCHEME $scheme; uwsgi_param HTTPS $https if_not_empty; uwsgi_param REMOTE_ADDR $remote_addr; uwsgi_param REMOTE_PORT $remote_port; uwsgi_param SERVER_PORT $server_port; uwsgi_param SERVER_NAME $server_name; Is there something I’ve missed? I followed a tutorial for this (which is no longer available). Seth

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Welcome message template errors

by Mark

> On 2024-04-24 03:58, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> What do you get if you do >> ``` >> sudo -u mailman curl >> https://lists.mydomain.com/mailman3/api/templates/list/mytestlist.lists.myd… >> ``` >> with the template set in Postorius? > ******************* > The welcome message is returned. > > root@hel:~# sudo -u mailman curl > https://LISTS.MYDOMAIN.COM/mailman3/api/templates/list/MYTESTLIST.LISTS.MYD… > Test Welcome message for new subscribers.root@hel:~# ******************* Making progress... I edited settings file again, replacing the domain name with the IP address () POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://12.34.56.78' (no SSL) The URI in the template table now has this. http://12.34.56.78/mailman3/api/templates/list/MYTESTLIST.MYDOMAIN.COM/list… Now, when Mass subscribing a new member, a Welcome email is sent to the new member with the correct Subject and From, but the message is blank.

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman shutting down Hyperkitty: Request too large

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > Not if we're collapsing alternatives. If we're collapsing a > multipart/alternative part with text/plain and text/html > alternatives to just the first alternative we don't keep the > text/html part. I understand that's what we currently do. But I think that when the MUA provides an empty plain text part and a non-null HTML part, that's a mark of lazy MUA developers, not author intent. I think that it's very likely that the author would prefer the reader get converted HTML rather than a blank. Of course if the list owner wants to inhibit conversion, that's fine. But I would expect that list owners who enable conversion would also want to present a converted alternate rather than the blank plain text. Steve

2 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: 500 Internal Server Error on specific list pages

by Johnny Cison

The Mailman logs contain the following: Jul 30 10:32:11 2020 (26190) REST request handler error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.6/wsgiref/handlers.py", line 137, in run self.result = application(self.environ, self.start_response) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 50, in wrapper rtn = function(*args, **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py", line 214, in __call__ return super().__call__(environ, start_response) File "falcon/api.py", line 215, in falcon.api.API.__call__ (falcon/api.c:2872) File "falcon/api.py", line 189, in falcon.api.API.__call__ (falcon/api.c:2419) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/rest/lists.py", line 346, in on_get archiver_set = IListArchiverSet(self._mlist) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/zope/interface/interface.py", line 135, in __call__ adapter = self.__adapt__(obj) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/zope/interface/interface.py", line 151, in __adapt__ adapter = hook(self, obj) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/zope/component/_api.py", line 156, in adapter_hook return sitemanager.queryAdapter(object, interface, name, default) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/zope/interface/registry.py", line 348, in queryAdapter return self.adapters.queryAdapter(object, interface, name, default) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/zope/interface/adapter.py", line 353, in queryAdapter return self.adapter_hook(provided, object, name, default) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/zope/interface/adapter.py", line 363, in adapter_hook result = factory(object) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/model/mailinglist.py", line 607, in __init__ ListArchiver.name == archiver_name).one_or_none() File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 2793, in one_or_none "Multiple rows were found for one_or_none()") sqlalchemy.orm.exc.MultipleResultsFound: Multiple rows were found for one_or_none() On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 1:46 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 7/29/20 9:55 PM, Johnny Cison wrote: > > I have a new Mailman 3 server set up and am having a strange issue with > > just one particular list. > > > > Accessing the list's Info page URL or it's Archiving Settings page URL > > returns a 500 Internal Server Error, but its other pages work correctly. > > Also, the Info and Archiving pages on the other lists are working > correctly. > > > > When I access the info page for the problem list, I get these errors in > the > > log: > > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File > > "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", > line > > 41, in inner > > response = get_response(request) > ...> line 103, in call > > raise HTTPError(url, response.status, content, response, None) > > HTTPError: HTTP Error 500: A server error occurred. Please contact the > > administrator. > > > > > > When I access the Archiving page in Settings, I get these: > > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File > > "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", > line > > 41, in inner > ... > > line 103, in call > > raise HTTPError(url, response.status, content, response, None) > > HTTPError: HTTP Error 500: A server error occurred. Please contact the > > administrator. > > > These messages are from Django's log. What's in Mailman's mailman.log? > > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Unknown attribute: max_message_size

by Alexander Klotz

Hi, unfortunately we still have problems configuring a list so that it allows a message size larger than 40 KB. Neither the workaround described here: https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/commit/f86ab7fb5cc6edeb23c43336b677c24… (required was already set to false) nor this docker setup by yova https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/246 worked. Are there any other options we could try? Thanks! Regards, Alex Klotz (CultureBase editorial staff) Am 28.05.18 um 17:16 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 05/28/2018 08:05 AM, Alexander Klotz wrote: >> Hi, >> >> just encountering the same problem in postorious, how are the chances of >> a fix being released soon? > > > It is fixed in the current branch heads. We plan a new release very > soon. There are still a few things we want to get in the release, so > it's not quite ready yet, but we're working on it. >

6 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: 404 on fresh install (Debian11)

by David Newman

On 3/28/23 5:00 PM, comprepair_jimberg--- via Mailman-users wrote: > Can you setup Mailman3 for me? I can't. But I previously provided a pointer to setup instructions using virtualenv, which is MUCH preferable to the older, buggier version packaged with Debian 11. Mark Sapiro also provided a link to a list of providers who help with setup for a fee. If it's any consolation, I practiced with test VMs about 4 or 5 times before attempting a production migration from Mailman 2. Much of my misery was caused by the initial Debian install setting the wrong ownership on some files. For that reason, things got much better when I snapshotted a brand-new Debian 11 VM and rolled back to there each time. I still made mistakes, multiple times, but at least I was no longer fighting with two installations that do things differently. dn

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: Don't start nntp runner by default - was: Mailman3 doesn't send Mails to users (Debian12 with Plesk)

by Danil Smirnov

Hi Mark, On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 11:24 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > We could default mailman.cfg to contain `start: no` in the runner.nntp > section so people would need to enable it if they wanted it. What do > others think? > I'd vote for disabling it by default and also for moving the Postorius NNTP-related settings from the "Settings - List Identity" page (the last five settings) to a separate page. Users who are born later than my generation are sometimes confused and misinterpret those settings. Once a user set "Newsgroup moderation" to "Moderated" by mistake which implicitly made the mailing list moderated too. Sincerely, Danil Smirnov

10 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Core, Hyperkitty and Postorius releases

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 1:04 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 5/14/21 2:52 PM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > Do I need to install sassc in the base OS or in the virtualenv? > > Have you checked `which sassc` to see if you don't already have it. It > doesn't matter whether it's in the base OS or the virtualenv. Things > running in the virtualenv can still access the base OS, just not vice > versa. > I install sassc, because sass installation always failed - after some upgrade. <https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/> I remember posting about it in 2020 or 2019 :) root@gw:/usr/home/wash # which sassc /usr/local/bin/sassc -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v "^$|^.*#" :-)

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Template's encoding setup

by Ugnius S

Mark, You were 100% right for fixing. I was not sure what the language setting were on list creating, but one of the lists was created a day ago and I was doubt about it a little. So I made test: I have checked that default language is lt, and then I created the new list for testing. I had language issues with the HTML as well. Your recipe helped to resolve the issue. :) I fixed all my lists. I have stopped the mailman (just in case), than executed as You had told: $ mailman shell -l test(a)example.com Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell The variable 'm' is the test(a)example.com mailing list >>> m.preferred_language <Language [en] English (USA)> >>> m.preferred_language = 'lt' >>> <Ctrl>+D Thank You very much. This fix made magic. Kind regards Ugnius 2019-09-14, št, 20:20 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> rašė: > On 9/14/19 4:06 AM, Ugnius S wrote: > > > Yes, I have made several tests. I have set charset: iso-8859-13 > > and default_language: lt in mailman.cfg. > > If you created the list before you set default_language: lt in > mailman.cfg, the list's preferred_language is possibly 'en;' with > character set us-ascii. > > > > (Also I have set LANGUAGE_CODE = 'lt' in the settings_local.py, but I > think > > it is not related to this case.) > > > Yes, LANGUAGE_CODE in settings_local.py is not relevant to this. > > > > I have tried to set utf-8 as well in mailman.cfg as well. And I can > > confirm - in all tested cases > > text characters are correct (in footer as well) if sender sends text > only. > > OK > > > > If sender sends message in HTML (mostly all users send) then no > > matter what the encoding is set in my mailman's > > configuration or iso-8859-13, or utf-8 message body looks correct, but > in > > footer all national characters are replaced with > > question marks " ? ". > > > The addition of the footer is done by mailman/handlers/decorate.py. In > the plain text case the message body is converted to unicode, the > unicode footer is appended to the body and the new body is encoded for > transmission. The encoding is the first of the list's character set, the > incoming message's character set or utf-8 which produces no error. > > > In the case where the incoming message is not a single plain text > message part, the footer is added as a separate MIME part with the > unicode footer encoded in the list's character set with > errors='replace'. This is what produces the '?' characters. I suspect > this happens because the list's preferred_language is 'en' with > character set us-ascii. > > try running Mailman's > > bin/mailman shell -l your_list@domain > > at the prompt enter > > m.preferred_language > > if the response is not > > <Language [lt] Lithuanian> > > do > > m.preferred_language = 'lt' > > and then control-D to exit. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification

by Onyeibo Oku

Hi Mark, thanks for your inputs. I am making progress. On January 2, 2023 9:15:59 PM GMT+01:00, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >On 1/2/23 11:56, Onyeibo wrote: >> On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 09:57:45 -0800 >> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >>> >>> curl -urestadmin:restpass http://localhost:8001/3.1/lists >>> >>> It should return JSON with information about your lists. >>> >> >> I get the following: >> {"start": 0, "total_size": 0, "http_etag": >> "\"678678567346533573674563786538\""} > >That is the expected response if you have no lists yet. So connection to >Mailman's REST API works via curl, so why doesn't it work via >mailmanclient? If Mailman core was running, it should work. I don't know >why it doesn't. Perhaps you have some kind of firewall that's blocking it. > It turns out to be a fault from my settings. Postfix was not happy with the default email for the admin (<root@localhost>) since I had an operational virtual map for users. That connection error disappeared when I added a functioning admin email address. There are other issues, however. (1) Mailman refuses to resolve to a preferred subdomain. If the server's domain is "website.tld", I'd like mailman's homepage to be at "list.website.tld". Mailman insists that I add "website.tld" to the ALLOWED HOSTS, whereas "lists.website.tld" is already there as an ALLOWED HOST (same VPS/IP address nonetheless). The result is that the homepage ends up at "https://website.tld/mailman3/lists" when the desired url is "https://lists.website.tld/mailman3/lists". This is a conflict because the main domain is intended for another service. How do I approach this? (2) See the traceback below: ERROR 2023-01-03 07:40:32,078 27926 django.request Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 55, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 980, in list_index return render(request, template, File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/django/shortcuts.py", line 24, in render content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/django/template/loader.py", line 62, in render_to_string return template.render(context, request) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 62, in render return self.template.render(context) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 173, in render with context.bind_template(self): File "/usr/lib64/python3.10/contextlib.py", line 135, in enter return next(self.gen) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/django/template/context.py", line 254, in bind_template updates.update(processor(self.request)) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/django_mailman3/context_processors.py", line 32, in common context["site_name"] = get_current_site(request).name File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/django/contrib/sites/shortcuts.py", line 16, in get_current_site return Site.objects.get_current(request) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/django/contrib/sites/models.py", line 59, in get_current return self._get_site_by_id(site_id) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/django/contrib/sites/models.py", line 30, in _get_site_by_id site = self.get(pk=site_id) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 85, in manager_method return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 650, in get raise self.model.DoesNotExist( django.contrib.sites.models.Site.DoesNotExist: Site matching query does not exist. It seems a migration is missing. How should I approach this?

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 not starting afte an upgrade -addendum

by Gelpi Andrea

To solve the problem I had to remove VHOST parameter from config file. I remember that Vhost was mandatory for my configuration when I set it up two month ago. So I don't understand why now I had to remove it to have MM3 working. Il 24/07/20 18:59, Mark Sapiro ha scritto: > On 7/24/20 1:33 AM, Gelpi Andrea wrote: >> >> Is anything changed since two month aggo when I applied some pathces? > > > What exactly are you asking? There have been multiple commits to the > master branches of the Mailman components in the last two months and new > releases of django-mailman3, hyperkitty and postorius in early June. > -- Gelpi ing. Andrea ************************************************** I documenti vitali dimostreranno la loro vitalitˆ spostandosi spontaneamente da dove li avevate lasciati a dove non riuscirete a trovarli. **************************************************

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hold messages that have binary attachments

by Quanah Gibson-Mount

--On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 11:29 AM -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 8/12/20 9:37 AM, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: >> Is there a way to configure a list automatically put a hold on messages >> that have binary attachments such as jpgs, pngs, etc? > > You can use header matching rules (Header filters) for this: > > E.g., > Header = content-type > Pattern = image/ > Action = Hold > > will hold all messages with attached images > > A pattern like > > ^(?!(text/|multipart/|message/|application/.*signature)) > > will match any message that has an elemental part that isn't text/ or > some kind of signature. Thank you very much! Applied. :) Regards, Quanah -- Quanah Gibson-Mount Product Architect Symas Corporation Packaged, certified, and supported LDAP solutions powered by OpenLDAP: <http://www.symas.com>

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: error changed after restart

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

On 7/2/21 18:35, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/6/21 10:44 AM, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: >> I'm using sqlite as django database and mysql for mailman. > > I'm not certain about this, but having separate databases for Django and > Mailman core may be an issue. Thanks for your reply. I'm aware by this list that some people had problems using mysql in upgrades from previous releases. That was my first thought... But it seems that the problem is not database related. As far as I can see is about some missing properties in the "REST" process from 3.3.2 to 3.3.3 or maybe some template is not well upgraded even I did a "migrate" command. I installed mailman 3 in 24th of last december, with 3.3.2 version and all worked as expected. It's my first upgrade. >

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: uncaught bounce messages

by David Bremner

Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> writes: > > See the thread at > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… > > There is an example `mailman shell` session at > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > that will reenable delivery for members disabled by bounce if you think > the disables were spurious. Thanks very much for the recipe. I had been trying (and failing) to do something similar using the mailmanclient API / rest client. Does anyone happen to have a working example of updating user preferences via mailmanclient? I did call save(), after setting preferences['delivery_status']='enabled', but that seemed to not be enough. If no-one has a working example I can try to reconstruct a more precise reproducer. d P.S. I wonder if it would be worth collecting some of these recipes on the list as examples in the documentation?

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moving from forum to Mailman 3

by jonathan.mailing.lists＠gmail.com

Mark Sapiro wrote: > > Can you export the posts from the forum in a format that looks like > email messages? Python's standard library mailbox module can be used to > read a set of messages in any of Maildir, mbox, MH, Babyl, or MMDF > format and write them to a mbox format file which can then be imported > into HyperKitty. The requirements are that the exported messages have > headers like an email message. At a minimum, From:, Date: and Subject:. Thanks for this. I’m sure I could turn that basic information (from, date, subject) into an mbox file somehow. What else does Mailman need, eg to work out which messages are in reply to which? Would it be possible to add ex-forum message “emails” like this to an existing mailing list archive? Thank you Jonathan

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Filter who can send on mailman3 list?

by Marcus Granath

Mark Sapiro wrote: > > As Ruth said in her reply at > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > in Postorius, go to the Users dropdown and select Non-Members. On that > page there is a form to enter Email Address and Display Name with an Add > nonmember button. Sorry, but actually I can not find any "Users dropdown" to select "Non-Members" at any Postorius in my web interface. :-( Maybe, could it be that I am actually not the admin of the mailman3 server, I'm "just" the admin of my mailman-list - so just admin for my mailman-list and not for the mailman server? Maybe then I need to try contact our mailman server admin, or? Or any other way for me as just an mailman-list admin to add this "Non-Member"?.... ;-)

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: To have mailman3 start at boot, trying to configure the systemd mailman3.service unit, but having issues

by SATOH Fumiyasu

On Sun, 09 Jun 2024 06:48:58 +0900, Mark Sapiro wrote: > ``` > #!/bin/bash > unset PYTHONSTARTUP > > exec /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman \ > -C "/etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg" \ > $@ > ``` You should use `"$@"` to preserver arguments. For examples: ``` $ sh -c 'for v in $@; do echo "[$v]"; done' sh a 'b *' 'c d' ... $ sh -c 'for v in "$@"; do echo "[$v]"; done' sh a 'b *' 'c d' ... ``` -- -- Name: SATOH Fumiyasu @ OSSTech Corp., Japan (fumiyas @ osstech co jp) -- Business: <https://www.OSSTech.co.jp/> -- Development: <https://GitHub.com/fumiyas/> <https://GitLab.com/fumiyas/> -- PGP Fingerprint: EE58 9CE7 A512 E5D8 1DAD 5627 6709 E8A8 C7DD 5305

10 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: makemigrations --merge error after Debian upgrade

by Odhiambo Washington

On Tue, Oct 1, 2024 at 12:36 PM Chupin Maxime via Mailman-users < mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > Mark Sapiro wrote: > > Did you run this as the Mailman user (list in the Debian packages)? > > Thank you, I tried, but the system asked me a Password for this user... I > do not understand. > > ``` > sudo -u list mailman-web makemigrations --merge > Password: > ``` > The user executing `sudo` is yourself so enter your own password. It's not the password for user "list" that is wanted. It's your own login password. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

6 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Create a mailman-web admin user

by Roland Giesler

On 2024/07/30 19:13, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 7/30/24 08:55, Roland Giesler via Mailman-users wrote: >> >> I use Linux LXC containers mostly in Proxmox, so adding another layer >> by using docker or something else to mean seems like another layer of >> complication. >> >> The documentation is obviously good enough for people that know how >> already, but need to look up a detail here or, but for a first time >> mailman user it is a bit of a nightmare. Once I have chewed my way >> through all the traps and tunnels, I intend to do something about >> this. I can't contribute to code here, but I can make it easier for >> the next person coming along. > > > Please see https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344 Point taken, Mark.

8 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 breaking DKIM signatures

by Danil Smirnov

Hi Mark, чт, 23 янв. 2025 г., 03:15 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > > You could try a patch like > ``` > --- a/src/mailman/runners/lmtp.py > +++ b/src/mailman/runners/lmtp.py > @@ -186,7 +186,8 @@ class LMTPHandler: > listnames = set(getUtility(IListManager).names) > # Parse the message data. If there are any defects in the > # message, reject it right away; it's probably spam. > - msg = email.message_from_bytes(envelope.content, Message) > + msg = email.message_from_bytes(envelope.content, Message, > + policy=email.policy.Compat32(max_line_length=0)) > msg.set_unixfrom(envelope.mail_from) > except Exception: > elog.exception('LMTP message parsing') > ``` > This should prevent folding headers, but this is problematic. It may be > that the incoming message contains a folded header and this change will > not fold it in the outgoing message. Doesn't this parameter fits better? https://docs.python.org/3/library/email.policy.html#email.policy.EmailPolic… Danil

3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Separating Lists by Domain

by Abhilash Raj

On Thu, Jan 3, 2019, at 8:19 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Abhilash Raj writes: > > > > Is there a way we can get [Postorius updated] where we can > > > separate lists by domain the way Hyperkitty does? Mark Sapiro > > > refers to this in the following post: > > > > > > > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > > > You can file an issue at > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues > > Is this feature GSoC-able, or too small? It could be a good first issue for a GSoC applicant, too small to be the project itself. > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

6 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Updated script for checking and fixing mbox files.

by Odhiambo Washington

On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 5:29 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > Mailman 2.1 has a cleanarch script for checking mbox files for unescaped > `From `lines in message bodies and optionally fixing them. For some > time, there has been a stand-alone python3 version of this script at > https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/cleanarch3 (mirrored at > https://fog.ccsf.edu/~msapiro/scripts/cleanarch3) I have just updated > this script to check and optionally fix bad Date: headers. > > I have also added it at > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/contrib/clea… > for the next release. > At what point does an MM3 List Admin require this script? I am unable to figure that out :-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Sad news - Brian Carpenter

by Odhiambo Washington

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 10:45 PM <smorytko(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > https://www.tributearchive.com/obituaries/21066847/Brian-Keith-Carpenter/wa… > > I mentioned some "unfortunate circumstances" in a recent post. An inquiry > from Mark Sapiro prompted me to do a search and I sadly found this. > > Brian's company managed our list and on 4/22 we became aware that he was > hospitalized with Covid. > I have known Brian for many years mainly from the Mailman lists and he was a great resource. For a while now I have been meaning to check on the HOWTO he was writing for installing Mailm3 on Debian and yesterday I actually wanted to check on it. What a sad turn of events. May his soul rest in peace. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v "^$|^.*#" :-)

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: "Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25"

by Manos Pitsidianakis

Στις 2019-09-19 18:52, Mark Sapiro έγραψε: > No. You referred to "shunted" mails. I assumed that mail was winding up > in the shunt queue, but this is apparently not the case. But they are. Not exactly when or why but they show up in queue/shunt and queue/out at times. (maybe because I used mailman unshunt?) > > This should stop the out runner from "spinning" on these messages. Then > you can examine the files with Mailman's 'bin/mailman qfile' command > and > see if you can identify something in the recipients list or other > metadata that might be causing this. I cannot discern anything in the qfiles. It'd take some effort to deanonymise them for posting here. I've had new posts in the list and they get stuck as well.

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Handling of (un)subscribe mails for already (un)subscribed users

by Andreas Barth

Hi Mark, thank you for your help. * Mark Sapiro (mark(a)msapiro.net) [201210 23:26]: > The issue is the code at > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/app/subscripti…> > appears to not be executed as in my test at least, the workflow continued. Interessting. Here it ended with (current git version) ==> /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log <== Dec 13 23:27:04 2020 (15015) deque: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/srv/prod.mailman/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() File "/srv/prod.mailman/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 227, in _step_sanity_checks MemberRole.member) mailman.interfaces.member.AlreadySubscribedError: t3@$domain is already a MemberRole.member of mailing list t1@$domain This was a "live" run of mailman (however on my testing box). And, however, still no mail. Now I need to think how to continue. Regards, Andi

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty Error Curiosity

by Brian Carpenter

On 11/11/20 7:06 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/11/20 2:11 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> This happened again. Is there a way to get HK to deal with such messages automatically? > > How would you like them dealt with? The issue is in mailman-hyperkitty. > When it's attempt to archive the message returns an error, it queues the > message for retry. It is not clear if any of these errors are actually > retryable - for sure some aren't but maybe others like HyperKitty not > responding are - but even if we think retry won't succeed what would you > like done with the message? > Some sort of auto-discard procedure after a number of retries? Is it possible to detect a message with a null characters and automatically discard them? Do such messages make it into the thread table? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] KeyError: 'get_requests_count' after an upgrade

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

I've just upgrade mailman 3 installation following Mr. Sapiro advice: did a pip install --upgrade django-mailman3 hyperkitty mailman mailmanclient mailman-hyperkitty postorius I did a "python3 manage.py migrate" after, too. And all seemed to run well. All the lists showed in postorius via web, but when I try to accesss into one of them the browser shows an error. In the log you can see: *-*-*-*-*-*-* Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 119, in __getattr__ return self._get(name) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 86, in _get raise KeyError(key) KeyError: 'get_requests_count' ... (And after all the traceback lines) AttributeError: 'MailingList' object has no attribute 'get_requests_count' *-*-*-*-*-*-*-* The lists seem to be distributing messeages well.. but I cannot acces via web administration (django/postorius) Can anyone point me in the right direction to solve this, please?

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Triaging message non-receipt

by Eric Abrahamsen

On 07/13/18 12:56 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On July 13, 2018 12:11:13 PM PDT, Eric Abrahamsen <eric(a)ericabrahamsen.net> wrote: > >>All messages are correctly archived in hyperkitty. smtp.log always >>shows >>"for 5 recips", even for the messages that the two users aren't >>getting. >>These two users only ever miss messages sent by the other. >> > .... >> >>Is there any way to get a better sense of where things are going wrong? >>Turn up the logging verbosity? Send test messages? Get more >>diagnostics? > > > Mailman has delivered the messages to the outgoing MTA and can't tell > you any more. Mailman 3 bounce processing is broken. > > Look in the MTA logs for more. Okay, I'll see what postfix has to tell me. I appreciate the tip on bounce processing. Thanks, Eric

6 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: anomalous behavior

by Donato Molino

On Saturday 05 October 2024, alle 08:59, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/5/24 04:14, donato(a)molino.it wrote: > > Hi, > > I installed mailman-full on debian 12. > > How? Did you follow > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html or did you > install the Debian packages. If the latter, please see > https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344 Ok you're right, I'll try to contact the debian developers. In any case, I will answer your questions below > > > Everything works perfectly except for the fact that for a single ML the messages are not delivered to the recipients. > > I have three MLs: > > 1) example(a)example.com > > 2) test(a)example.com > > 3) hello(a)example.com > > > > For the n. 2 and 3 are fine, but 1 doesn't deliver. > > The configurations are identical for all 3: > > > > smtp.log:Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 37912) > > Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) handling connection > > Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) >> b'LHLO list.example.com' > > Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) >> b'MAIL FROM:<subscriber(a)domain.tld> SIZE=7873 BODY=7BIT' > > Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) sender: subscriber(a)domain.tld > > Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) >> b'RCPT TO:<example(a)list.example.com>' > > Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) recip: example(a)list.example.com > > Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) >> b'DATA' > > Oct 05 11:37:44 2024 (42769) ('127.0.0.1', 37912) >> b'QUIT' > > I also enabled all debugging in mailman.cfg. > > But everything is fine > > What's in the MTA log? Does list 1 have any non-digest members with delivery > enabled > `mailman members --regular --nomail enabled example(a)example.com` No all members have regular enabled no digest. MTA log accept the message: (relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024 - status=sent (250 Ok)) then HyperKitty archived message, then smtp log show the message above but does not send to recipients. > > In addition to the above in smtp.log, I would expect to see entries similar > to the following for your post to this list. me too but nothing. All other list with the same configuration are perfect. I tried also delete an recreate the list but nothing. All the lists are no moderate. in any case thank you for the work you do for the Mailman community. Donato > Oct 05 11:15:02 2024 (3390806) > <172812689916.3390800.7261628565807094029(a)mail.mailman3.org> smtp to > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org for 4 recips, completed in 0.31321239471435547 > seconds > Oct 05 11:15:02 2024 (3390806) > <172812689916.3390800.7261628565807094029(a)mail.mailman3.org> post to > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org from mailman-users-owner(a)mailman3.org, 5028 bytes > Oct 05 15:22:57 2024 (3390806) > <172812689795.412444.17509223827906057290(a)mail.mailman3.org> smtp to > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org for 334 recips, completed in 52.519867181777954 > seconds > Oct 05 15:22:57 2024 (3390806) > <172812689795.412444.17509223827906057290(a)mail.mailman3.org> post to > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org from donato(a)molino.it, 1683 bytes > ``` > (the delay between 11:15:02 and 15:22:57 above is the time between arrival > and held message approval) > > Do you see things like that? > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to donato(a)molino.it

6 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: How to Increase outgoing mail volume for Mailman 3

by Mark Dadgar

On Nov 10, 2020, at 1:18 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >> >> The downside to this is that you lose automated bounce processing, of course. > > > You don't lose bounce processing. It just becomes a bit less reliable. > The VERPed envelope sender says exactly what address the message was > sent to. Without this information, Mailman (actually flufl.bounce > <https://fluflbounce.readthedocs.io/en/latest/README.html>) has to parse > the returned bounce message to determine the bouncing address. There are > many MTAs that do not send RFC 1894 compliant DSNs and we have several > heuristic recognizers to try to parse these, but they can fail. Brian specified: verp_personalized_deliveries: no Doesn’t that default back to regular mass delivery, as opposed to individualized VERPed envelopes, which mandates individual deliveries? - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Time Zone Issue in Postorius

by Henrik Rasmussen

> -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> > Sendt: 8. februar 2022 07:48 > Til: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > Emne: [MM3-users] Re: Time Zone Issue in Postorius > > It should be TIME_ZONE = 'UTC' > > Times passed from Mailman core are naive times, I.e. they don't have > time zone info, but they are in UTC. Thus for Django to get the correct > time with time zone you need USE_TZ = True (without that, Django will > throw an exception about naive times) and the TIME_ZONE to apply is UTC. As https://stackoverflow.com/questions/29311354/how-to-set-the-timezone-in-dja… seems to say otherwise ("You can use TIME_ZONE = 'Europe/Istanbul'"), to make sure, am I right to understand it as for Mailman, Danish time should be stated as "TIME_ZONE = 'UTC+1' " with use of "USE_TZ = True"? /Henrik Rasmussen

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman-full question

by Dave McGuire

On 9/25/22 13:34, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> - to configure the db in venv i would use mailman-web migrate - this >> works fine - but mailman-full install does not seem to include >> mailman-web >> or mailman3-web - the mailman info cmd works fine - do i need to >> also install mailman-web? i had thought the mailman-full included all >> components > > I'm not sure what it's called in the Debian/Ubuntu mailman-full package, > but the `mailman-web` command installed by `pip install mailman-web` is > the Django admin command, possibly called `django-admin` or `manage.py` > in the mailman-full package. In my (old) Ubuntu package installation, which I got locked into before I realized how awful that was going to be, mailman-web should be symlinked to /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py but isn't. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Do i need a mailman-hyperkitty.cfg file?

by Bill Oliver

On Mon, 2024-10-28 at 21:08 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > [ > [snip] > es. See the last part of the section at > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#installing-mail… > > where it says in part `And, create the > /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg file containing these settings: > ...` > > > I found a template here: > > > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-hyperkitty/blob/master/mailman- > > hyperkitty.cfg > > > > > > Do I need to copy and paste that in my installation? > > > It, or something as mentioned in the above doc needs to be at the > location defined in the `configuration:` setting in the > `[archiver.hyperkitty]` section of mailman.cfg > > -- Hah! If it were a snake it woulda bit me. I can't believe I scanned right over it. Thanks! billo

5 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Apache+mod_wsgi issue

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

El 26/12/22 a las 23:57, Mark Sapiro escribió: > ... >> I don't want to put more noise in the list. But I'm confused because >> I always updated via pip the apache mod_wsgi thinking is was needed >> for my configuration. If it is not, I will stop updating it. > > Based on the above you ARE using Apache mod_wsgi and if you are still > also running uwsgi as > > /usr/local/bin/uwsgi --ini /usr/local/mailman3/uwsgi.ini & > > that is unnecessary. It clarifies a pair of things. Thanks a lot. I'll try deactivating that in one of my servers (the "quieter" one) and see how it goes. Again, thanks for your kind support. -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Tracking from gravatar

by Abhilash Raj

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019, at 7:16 PM, worik wrote: > On 15/02/19 3:51 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > You can disable them by setting > > > > GRAVATAR_SECURE_URL = '' > > > > in your local settings. See > > <https://github.com/twaddington/django-gravatar> > > Where do I make that setting? There is nothing like it in any of my files. This should go in your Django's settings.py (or settings_local.py) depending on how you installed Mailman. > Worik > > -- > If not me then who? If not now then when? If not here then where? > So, here I stand, I can do no other > root(a)worik.org 021-1680650, (03) 4821804 Aotearoa (New Zealand) > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Welcome Message

by brian＠emwd.com

Mark Sapiro wrote: > Can you do bin/mailman shell? > > That would be even better. bin/mailman shell -bash: bin/mailman: No such file or directory Apparently not. Again this is the Docker version. Would love to have the Docker maintainer help out here. > If you're installing via pip you must have Python 3. Your tracebacks show a Python 3 > library in /usr/lib/python3.6/ /usr/lib/python3.6 -bash: /usr/lib/python3.6: No such file or directory I am installing it via pip on a Ubuntu server which is a different server from this template problem. Sorry about the confusion. The one where I need the templates to work is on a Centos server that used Docker to install it. I simply do not know how to get a python3 prompt when it has been setup via Docker. I will be requesting some assistance for the Ubuntu server once I get this template issue resolved. Brian

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty Authorization Required

by Andrew Bernard

Hi Mark, Thanks. But that is not the problem. It's hyperkitty background processes that show the error in the logs. I was probably not clear in my statement of the problem. I was testing it by typing in URL's. Sorry! I solved it by searching these archives. There was a post in January regarding the same issue, and the solution turned out to be replacing the given api keys with new ones, and all it all just works. Why that should be is a mystery to me, but now at least two people have found this. I would have thought a key is just a key. Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> > Sent: Friday, 7 June 2019 1:22 AM > To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty Authorization Required > You have to be logged in to post from HyperKitty. You can't post > anonymously.

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: postorius ssl-certificates for virtual hosts

by Wolfgang Bock

Am 15.11.2019 um 02:21 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > Your Apache config needs to define separate a VirtualHost for each > domain, either by IP address or ServerName, and each VirtualHost points > to its own SSL certificates. Thanks for your info, that did it. I had to include the text of the apache.conf in all my apache-config-files for my virtual-domains. >> If I set use_https to yes in mailman.cfg I get on the website for all lists: >> >> postorius: Something went wrong >> Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core. >> >> >> Does your setting in settings(_local).py for MAILMAN_REST_API_URL have >> an https scheme? That doesn't solve the problem. I changed that in mailman-web.py (MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = https://localhost:8001) and after that in mailman.cfg (use_https: yes). But got the same errormessage on postorius website. Regards Wolfgang

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Rejection Reason for refusing a subscription request

by Abhilash Raj

> On Mar 27, 2021, at 6:03 PM, Brian Carpenter <brian_carpenter(a)emwd.com> wrote: > > On 3/27/21 6:42 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> Ooops, Abhilash is correct. I have a bad habit of focusing on what's in >> the body of a post and sometimes missing relevant info in the subject. >> Sorry. > > Ok, can you or Abhilash reply to my previous questions. I thought I did, the support for specifying reason has been added in Postorius’s master branch. It will be in the next release, 1.3.5 probably. Core has had support for specifying reason when rejecting requests since 3.3.3. > > -- > Brian Carpenter > Harmonylists.com > Emwd.com > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: Message shows up individually but not in the thread

by Marvin Gülker

Am 04. November 2017 um 10:51 Uhr -0700 schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > There is a possibly related issues at > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/151> and some older ones > at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/131> and > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/149>. > > I'm sorry I can't offer more help than that at this point. Okay. I'll have an eye on the problem and see whether I can make out any pattern on messages not appearing. I'm not (yet?) seeing the other symptoms described in #151, but our mailinglists are usually rather quiet until some burst of discussion arises. There have not been any newer posts than the linked ones yet. The mails all went out properly via email. It's a problem related to Hyperkitty thus. Marvin -- Blog: https://www.guelkerdev.de PGP/GPG ID: F1D8799FBCC8BC4F

7 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Configure administrative users via command line?

by kjohnson＠eclypse.org

Thank you for the prompt and informative reply. Mark Sapiro wrote: > ... If you are an owner or moderator of a list > or a superuser, you can handle moderation requests via Postorius. If you > are a list owner or a superuser, you can manage owners and moderators > via Postorius. Yes, I would like to do that. > You can add superusers via the command line django admin > createsuperuser command. For the reference of others like me, createsuperuser will allow you to create a user with a non-unique email address. I strongly recommend against that. mailman shell gave me: >>> from django.contrib.auth.models import User >>> User.objects.filter(is_superuser=True) <QuerySet [<User: admin>, <User: xxxx>]> I dredged a password for admin out of my memory and was able to perform the moderation request. I also set a new list owner.

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Subscription requires confirmation when list is set as Open

by Mark

>> On 12/17/24 13:35, Mark wrote: >> ... if I subscribe with an address that has never been used before, I >> receive an email that requires me to confirm the subscription. >> >> The subscription is also held in the administrator's "Subscription >> requests: Pending confirmation". >> >> This happens when subscribing by both email and the web UI. >> >> Ideally, as the Policy is set as "Open", the subscription of any new >> email address should be added automatically. > On 2024-12-18 00:00, Mark Sapiro wrote: > It is not the subscription that requires confirmation. It is the user's > email address. Even though the list's subscribe policy is open, a > previously unknown email address has to be confirmed. Thank you Mark. Your explanation is very much appreciated. Best, Mark

4 months

[MM3-users] Re: {Spam?} Re: Installation Wooes

by Samir Faci

Oh wow.. so that was special. Sorry for the massive logs and back and forth. It turns out all I was missing was that I needed to re-run sudo mailman aliases before restarting the service. I have a different set of issues right now but I need to debug that a bit more to figure out what is going on. Thanks for all the help Mark, much appreciated. -- Samir Faci On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 11:49 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 5/4/20 11:07 AM, Samir Faci wrote: > > The only way I've gotten it to work so far is by using the FQN. I can > > switch back to 127.0.0.1 but that wasn't working. > > > > Here's the configuration I have. > > > > incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP > > outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver > > smtp_host: 127.0.0.1 > > smtp_port: 25 > > smtp_user: > > smtp_pass: > > > > lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 > > lmtp_port: 8024 > > > > > > > > and the end result: > > > > https://gist.github.com/safaci2000/b1c91f936df1c0d5668250cf1d503494 > > which includes > > May 4 17:50:09 lists postfix/lmtp[2600677]: connect to > lists.domain.org[198.199.98.177]:8024: Connection refused > > So the question is, why is Postfix trying to connect to > lists.domain.org[198.199.98.177] and not to localhost[127.0.0.1] > > > > > smtp_host: 127.0.0.1 > > lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 > > > > #fail > > > But it should work. > > > > smtp_host: lists.domain.org > > lmtp_host: lists.domain.org > > > > # success. > > > And this should not be necessary. > > > > The error I get if I don't open port 8024 is below and in the gist i > linked > > earlier. > > > > May 4 17:50:09 lists postfix/lmtp[2600677]: D98A21473D5: to=< > > testing(a)lists.domain.org>, relay=none, delay=0.05, delays=0.03/0.01/0/0, > > dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to lists.domain.org > [198.199.98.177]:8024: > > Connection refused) > > > This is what is expected if port 8024 is not open and you are connecting > to lists.domain.org. > > > > The only way I've gotten it to work so far is by binding both the > smtp_host > > and lmtp_host to be lists.domain.org and opening up port 8024. > > > > I'd rather not have that port open but I'm open to suggestions on what > else > > to try. > > > You need to get Postfix to use localhost[127.0.0.1] and not > lists.domain.org[198.199.98.177]. > > One issue is when you change > > lmtp_host: lists.domain.org > > to > > lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 > > you need to run `mailman aliases` to change the settings in > var/data/postfix_lmtp. I think if you go back to > > smtp_host: 127.0.0.1 > lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 > > and run `mailman aliases`, restart mailman and reload Postfix, it should > all work without opening port 8024 and probably without needing to put > 198.199.98.177 explicitly in mynetworks in Postfix. > > I suspect you will have issues with mail not being accepted or treated > as spam by some recipient ISPs however. See > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward-confirmed_reverse_DNS> > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Thank you Samir Faci https://keybase.io/csgeek

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot setup announce-only mailing list

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 2/1/20 9:53 AM, Abhilash Raj wrote: > > Mark, do you think we should make the actual announce-only style reflect > > these settings so folks don't have to manually set these after they create > > a announce-only list? > > > > I am not sure the reason behind these settings lacking for the current > > announce-only style. Are there situations where announce-only list would > > have different list setting? > > I think it was probably done as it is just as a start. I do think it > would be good to set more things appropriately for the announce-only > style, ultimately we may need to add templates for post rejection > notices and things like that. If this involves a fair amount of coding maybe it could be a suggested GSoC task? Steve

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Centralizing logging

by Odhiambo Washington

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 7:56 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 9/29/21 4:51 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > However, there is this process that *forced* me to create > > usr/local/mailman/*logs/mailmansuite.log > > *as opposed to it just writing to var/logs/ path above > > > > Is there a way to make it write its log $var_dir ? > > > This is Django's log. Django knows nothing about mailman.cfg which is > for core only. You can set the path in your Django settings. See > LOGGING['handlers']['file']['filename'] > > I deal with this by creating a symlink like > > /usr/local/mailman/logs -> /usr/local/mailman/var/logs > Wuah. I did not even think about a simple symlink. Thank you so much. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' :-)

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: All users getting disabled after upgrade of mailman3

by Quanah Gibson-Mount

--On Thursday, January 18, 2024 6:09 PM -0800 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 1/18/24 15:08, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: >> Hello, >> >> We just upgraded our mailman to the latest provided from Debian bookworm >> (I know, not the recommended installation method). >> >> >> >> Now everyone's having their addresses disabled due to "bounce" errors. >> This is odd, because I'm disabled, even though I received the 2 emails I >> sent to the list today (and that's the only list traffic today). > > > Did you upgrade mailman core from a version older than 3.3.1? > > If so, see this post > <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/mess > age/IC3LXQMANJGOVUOCVUBHIOGYZ4PA24F7/>. That's it! Thank you so much Mark! Excellent help as always. Regards, Quanah

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Looking for large sites that have migrated to mailman3

by Stephen J. Turnbull

ssw(a)washington.edu writes: > We're looking for information on large sites that have migrated to > mailman3. Preferably academic institutions. As we start to look > at a migration project we're hoping to hear any 'lessons learned' > from those who have gone before us. The largest site I know of that has begun migration to Mailman 3, and has a non-trivial (dozens, maybe?) number of lists in operation is python.org. You can try searching the archives for this list and in mailman-developers(a)python.org for python.org and mailman3.org postmaster Mark Sapiro's opinions on the matter. I think the EMWD hosting site is also in process of migrating. I know there are several others (specifically a couple of academic institutions) basically at the very beginning of their migrations, but I don't know any in the later stages. Steve

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: (Custom) Plugins: Proper file path(s) for adding a handler?

by Thomas Ward

On 10/24/23 18:29, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/24/23 12:34 PM, Thomas Ward via Mailman-users wrote: >> >> ... I get a hard load error on "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named >> 'MailmanCustomizations'" >> >> To confirm this is a Python module/class, I did a pure python shell >> with `from mailman_customizations.hooks import >> MailmanCustomizations` and it properly imports that class, so I'm >> not sure where to go from here in debugging. > > What if you try this with `mailman-web shell`? > Doesn't error on load, but can't access configs in order to see if my custom handler is present. Which Abhilash said has to be done in the mailman shell - as does the documentation. Mailman can't even start with this added. Which is a problem. Thomas

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius no connection to REST API

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/8/21 6:44 AM, rrosner5(a)gmail.com wrote: > > I just installed Mailman3-full from debian stable repository (Mailman 3.2.1 to be precise). Mailman itself is working, also are all mailing lists imported from Mailman 2.1. But I just can not get the web interface of Postorius to work. Please see <https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344>. > I did manage to get it running through apache2 after I figured out what I had to remove from the old site config and replace it with the stuff in the automatically created config. Upon loading the site, I was able to log in and verify the mail address, but it kept showing that it wasn't able to connect to the REST API. > > I double and triple checked, that mailman-web.py and mailman-hyperkitty.cfg contain the same API key (api_key in hyperkitty and SECRET_KEY and MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY in mailman web), but that didn't help. Because those aren't the settings that matter for this. What if anything are your settings in the mailman.cfg [webservice] section for hostname: port: admin_user: admin_pass: use_https: (defaults in our distribution are localhost, 8001, restadmin, restpass and no respectively - I don't know if Debian changes these). These need to match the Django settings MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = 'http://localhost:8001' MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = 'restadmin' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = 'restpass' I also saw a recommendation, that it can cause problems, when the API key uses symbols like / so I switched it to _ in all three places, but that didn't help. The configuration for mailman, mailman-web and hyperkitty all are set to using https, switching them to http doesn't solve any of the problems. > Meanwhile, the site only shows "Internal Server Error" even though I did not change anything. But probably not that relevant while it can't be used either way. What I can provide on logs: > > /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py mmclient > Python 3.7.3 (default, Jan 22 2021, 20:04:44) > [GCC 8.3.0] on linux > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. > (InteractiveConsole) >>>> client.system > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 95, in call > response, content = Http().request(url, method, data_str, headers) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1513, in request > (response, content) = self._request(conn, authority, uri, request_uri, method, body, headers, redirections, cachekey) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1263, in _request > (response, content) = self._conn_request(conn, request_uri, method, body, headers) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1186, in _conn_request > conn.connect() > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1049, in connect > raise socket_err > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1010, in connect > sock.connect((self.host, self.port)) > ConnectionRefusedError: [Errno 111] Connection refused The REST API is apparently not listening on the host/port this is trying to connest to. > An excerpt from /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log: > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "manage.py", line 10, in <module> > execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 364, in execute_from_\ > command_line > utility.execute() > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 308, in execute > settings.INSTALLED_APPS > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 56, in __getattr__ > self._setup(name) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 41, in _setup > self._wrapped = Settings(settings_module) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 110, in __init__ > mod = importlib.import_module(self.SETTINGS_MODULE) > File "/usr/lib/python3.7/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module > return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) > File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1006, in _gcd_import > File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 983, in _find_and_load > File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 967, in _find_and_load_unlocked > File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 677, in _load_unlocked > File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 728, in exec_module > File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 219, in _call_with_frames_removed > File "/usr/share/mailman3-web/settings.py", line 486, in <module> > from settings_local import * > File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 983, in _find_and_load > File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 967, in _find_and_load_unlocked > File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 677, in _load_unlocked > File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 724, in exec_module > File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 859, in get_code > File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 916, in get_data > PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/share/mailman3-web/settings_local.py' > [uwsgi-daemons] throttling "python3 manage.py qcluster" for 25 seconds > > not sure where the Permission denied comes from/what permissions should be. /usr/share/mailman3-web/settings_local.py is a symlink owned by root to /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py owned by list:list with 640 permission. What is executing the manage.py command to start Django. Is it user list? > The apache2 error log contains nothing from the last restart of mailman3 and mailman3-web and trying to load the web page, the only interesting lines to the end of the log are > [Sun Aug 08 14:40:33.642119 2021] [proxy:error] [pid 2248:tid 140583379425024] (111)Connection refused: AH02454: uwsgi: attempt to connect to Unix domain socket /run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock (localhost) failed > [Sun Aug 08 14:40:33.644627 2021] [:error] [pid 2248:tid 140583379425024] [client 134.61.97.39:11893] AH10101: failed to make connection to backend: httpd-UDS:0 > [Sun Aug 08 14:54:22.555229 2021] [proxy:error] [pid 2248:tid 140583379425024] (111)Connection refused: AH02454: uwsgi: attempt to connect to Unix domain socket /run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock (localhost) failed > [Sun Aug 08 14:54:22.555293 2021] [:error] [pid 2248:tid 140583379425024] [client 134.61.97.39:11913] AH10101: failed to make connection to backend: httpd-UDS:0 > [Sun Aug 08 14:58:24.376278 2021] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 2247:tid 140583610946688] AH00492: caught SIGWINCH, shutting down gracefully > [Sun Aug 08 14:58:34.534966 2021] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 3696:tid 140070763447424] AH00489: Apache/2.4.48 (Debian) OpenSSL/1.1.1d mod_wsgi/4.6.5 Python/3.7 configured -- resuming normal operations > [Sun Aug 08 14:58:34.535159 2021] [core:notice] [pid 3696:tid 140070763447424] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2' I don't use uwsgi and know little about it so I don't know what the Unix domain socket /run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock connection is for, but this appears to be some miscunfiguration between apache and uwsgi. Normally, in an apache/uwsgi configuration, apache proxies to uwsgi via tcp port 8000 and uwsgi is configured with [uwsgi] uwsgi-socket = 0.0.0.0:8000 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty 1.1.1 to HyperKitty 1.2.1

by Thomas G

Hi, It's a complete migration, not just a upgrade. I rebuild every things on the new server, without data transfers (mailman data dir) other than archives. "" You can't import a gzipped mbox. You have to gunzip it. "" Omfg, yes indeed, it's work better... I have just a problem with statistics not available. "" it won't import any messages older than the most recent message in the existing archive "" It should be not a problem. I will do a dead time to process this change. > Stop prod / migrate archives / start prod on new server. Thanks, Thomas. Le mar. 2 oct. 2018 à 05:11, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> a écrit : > On 09/30/2018 11:42 PM, Thomas G wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I would like to migrate my current Mailman3.1/Hyperkitty data to a fresh > > install in Mailman3.2. > > > > I didn't found how migrate the archives. > >>From : HyperKitty - Version: 1.1.1 - Python2.7 > > To : HyperKitty - Version: 1.2.1 - Python3.5 > > > As Abhilash said, you shouldn't need to migrate anything but the search > index. > > > > I exported a mbox from hyperkitty (web interface) and tried to re-import > > it, without result. > > """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > > xxxx @xxxxxx :/opt/mailman# python3.5 manage.py hyperkitty_import -l > > listedetests(a)hatlab.fr /home/admin/listedetests(a)hatlab.fr.mbox.gz > > > > Importing from mbox file /home/admin/listedetests(a)hatlab.fr.mbox.gz to > > listedetests(a)hatlab.fr > > > You can't import a gzipped mbox. You have to gunzip it. > > > > Computing thread structure > > Synchronizing properties with Mailman > > Warming up cache > > The full-text search index is not updated for this list. It will not be > > updated by the 'minutely' incremental update job. To update the index > > for this list, run the 'manage.py update_index_one_list > > listedetests(a)hatlab.fr' command. > > """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > > The database stay empty (and web interface): > > """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > > mailmandbnameprod=# select * from hyperkitty_email; > > id | message_id | message_id_hash | subject | content | date | timezone > > | in_reply_to | archived_date | thread_depth | thread_order | > > mailinglist_id | parent_id | sender_id | thread_id | sender_name > > > ----+------------+-----------------+---------+---------+------+----------+-------------+---------------+--------------+--------------+----------------+-----------+-----------+-----------+------------- > > (0 rows) > > """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > > > > Any idea to do this importation ? > > > Why is the database empty? It should be as it was with the prior > HyperKitty. > > Also, it doesn't seem to be the issue here, but if you don't specify a > --since option to hyperkitty_import, it won't import any messages older > than the most recent message in the existing archive. i.e., if there are > any messages in the existing archive, the default for --since is the > date of the most recent such message. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Messages in var/queue/shunt

by Brian Carpenter

On 10/20/20 6:15 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/20/20 2:29 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> I have a large number of messages in the shunt directory due to some >> testing done. What is the proper method of dealing with them? Is there a >> way to release them again to the archiver or can I safely delete them? > > I'm assuming based on what you say above that these were all shunted in > the archiving process because of some issue in that process which has > been fixed. > > If that is the case, you have choices. If you want the messages to be > archived, just run `mailman unshunt`. If you don't want them archived > you can run `mailman unshunt` --discard` or you can simply remove the > .pck files from var/queue/shunt. That worked wonderfully. Thank you. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Bug in email.generator:_handle_text? [was: store/export existing Mailman lists ...]

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > This apparently confuses the Python email package so that the > get_payload() method returns a list of strings rather than a list of > message objects. Yes, I got that far too. I'm guessing that in the absence of a Content-Type, which then *should* default to text/plain, the email package goes ahead and detects the MIME headers anyway (although I don't think it should do that) and breaks the message into MIME parts. I would think we'd raise an Exception here. If there's a reason for the email package to do that detection (*shrug*, it seems to work), then the dispatching in _handle_text should be done on the Python type rather than the MIME Content-Type. I forget exactly how the code is structured, the relevant dispatching may be in _dispatch or in _dispatch_meth. Steve

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: migratng from 3.2.2 Debian packages to 3.3.8 source install - web server question

by Ken Alker

--On Saturday, June 24, 2023 2:09 PM -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 6/23/23 10:44 PM, Ken Alker wrote: > > > 4) python3: can't open file 'manage.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory > > > > The last one looks the most concerning, and is looping. > > > If you installed the mailman-web package from PyPI, the django admin > command is bin/mailman-web in your venv, not manage.py. I found that in /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini and changed it and it solved the problem. Thank you! I sent a reply to my original email this morning but when I view it in the web archives, it see that it didn't get threaded with my original email. I hope this one does. I wonder why the original did not. Ken

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman-web showing "An error occurred while processing your request."

by C. Souza

Hello Guys, Thank you for the help. Mark, I followed your recommendation running your code and it's done, problem solved. Just for curiosity, does anyone know the reasons for this kind of problem and how to avoid it? Thank you very much. -- Carlos Adean On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 1:55 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 2/8/23 08:34, C. Souza wrote: > > I'm trying to manage 2 held messages in a specific list and I'm getting > > this error below when I click on /held_messages. It never happened > before. > ... > > ==> mailmanweb.log <== > > ERROR 2023-02-08 16:01:30,149 1516 django.request Internal Server Error: > > /mailman3/lists/mylist.domain.com/held_messages > > Traceback (most recent call last): > ... > > File > > > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/utils/dateparse.py", > > line 107, in parse_datetime > > match = datetime_re.match(value) > > TypeError: expected string or bytes-like object > > > I'm not certain, but it looks like one of the held messages has a bad or > possibly missing Date: header. Working around this is tricky. You can do > the following in mailman shell. > ``` > $ mailman shell -l list(a)example.com > > Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell > Use commit() to commit changes. > Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. > Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. > The variable 'm' is the list.example.com mailing list > >>> requests = IListRequests(m) > >>> msgstor = getUtility(IMessageStore) > >>> for request in requests.held_requests: > ... key, data = requests.get_request(request.id) > ... if data['_request_type'] == 'held_message': > ... print(f'request ID = {request.id}Message-ID = {key}\n ' > ... f'message = {msgstor.get_message_by_id(key)}') > ... > This will print for each held message output like > > request ID = nnn > Message-ID = <the message id> > message = the message content > > > You can then handle these messages with > > >>> from mailman.app.moderator import handle_message > >>> handle_message(m, nnn, action) > > where nnn is the request ID and action is either Action.discard to > discard the message or Action.accept to accept it. And finally > > >>> commit() > ``` > If you decide you want to edit the message content before accepting it, > you could find the message in the file system. One of the headers in the > displayed message is something like > > Message-ID-Hash: IWL2EUW3FT7IIUA3QYTZEX4W4JBZ26HL > > the message is saved as a python pickle in the file system in Mailman's > var/messages/ directory. This has subdirectories of the first two > characters of the Message-ID-Hash value and those have subdirectories of > the second two characters of the Message-ID-Hash value, so if the above > were the actual Message-ID-Hash the pickle would be at > var/messages/IW/L2/IWL2EUW3FT7IIUA3QYTZEX4W4JBZ26HL. You would need to > pickle the new message content and save that over the existing file. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to skooperit(a)gmail.com >

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mail Person writes: > Hello everyone. I am trying to sort out an error happening when > messages are sent to the mailman server. The emails are being sent > to the list but I get this error each time: > > Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive > > OperationalError at /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive > (1366, "Incorrect string value: '\\xF0\\x9F\\x90\\xBA\\x0A\\x0A...' for column 'content' at row 1") This looks like the MySQL "we don't do 4-byte UTF-8" bug. > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py" in execute > 209. res = self._query(query) and it is MySQL, so the problem is most likely that your MySQL is not configured to handle Unicode properly. See https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… for a lot of information about this. All the posters have useful comments but start with Mark Sapiro's.

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Can't post to my own list from HyperKitty

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 4/7/25 17:45, MegaBrutal via Mailman-users wrote: > > So it's even weirder – however, I'm really not sure if this is > > the address HyperKitty is checking for, as I have 3 attached to > > my account! How may I know which one it's trying to use? > > If you go to https://example.com/user-profile/ what Primary email > and Other emails do you see? Do you see all three? And if you go to > https://example.com/mailman3/users and click Manage for your > address, do you see all 3 under Addresses? Is it possible this is a weird new symptom of the "multiple entries for archiver" bug? -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirus Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

2 weeks, 2 days

[MM3-users] Re: django-allauth failures, but only for some users (independent of browser?)

by Jered Floyd

The difference in behavior was using social login buttons for an existing account vs. creating a new account. This is another damn django-allauth regression, starting in 0.57.0. It seem to be this commit that is to blame: https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/commit/be779dfee5a328a3a42edc2c9… In allauth/socialaccount/models.py:lookup(self):285 there is an attempt to look up the social account as one that already exists. If that fails, this commit calls self.account.get_provider() without passing the request object, which leads to the eventual error. I believe this is a django-allauth bug, and have submitted a pull request to fix it here: https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/pull/3548 Patch also included below. --Jered --- a/allauth/socialaccount/helpers.py +++ b/allauth/socialaccount/helpers.py @@ -205,7 +205,7 @@ def _add_social_account(request, sociallogin): def complete_social_login(request, sociallogin): assert not sociallogin.is_existing - sociallogin.lookup() + sociallogin.lookup(request) try: get_adapter().pre_social_login(request, sociallogin) signals.pre_social_login.send( --- a/allauth/socialaccount/models.py +++ b/allauth/socialaccount/models.py @@ -274,12 +274,12 @@ class SocialLogin(object): return False return get_user_model().objects.filter(pk=self.user.pk).exists() - def lookup(self): + def lookup(self, request=None): """Look up the existing local user account to which this social login points, if any. """ if not self._lookup_by_socialaccount(): - provider_id = self.account.get_provider().id + provider_id = self.account.get_provider(request).id if app_settings.EMAIL_AUTHENTICATION or app_settings.PROVIDERS.get( provider_id, {} ).get("EMAIL_AUTHENTICATION", False): ----- On Dec 6, 2023, at 3:21 PM, Mark Sapiro mark(a)msapiro.net wrote: > On 12/6/23 11:00, Jered Floyd wrote: >> > These errors are generated to me as the admin, and in the elided > environment section SITE_ID is indeed 0, but I'm at a loss to imagine > why this happens only sometimes! > > For me, on a test installation with SITE_ID = 0, this only occurs at > https://example.com/accounts/social/connections/ > > Other URLs such as https://example.com/accounts/password/change/ and > https://example.com/accounts/email/ do not throw this exception. > > Here's the code: > ``` > def get_current(self, request=None): > """ > Return the current Site based on the SITE_ID in the project's > settings. > If SITE_ID isn't defined, return the site with domain matching > request.get_host(). The ``Site`` object is cached the first > time it's > retrieved from the database. > """ > from django.conf import settings > > if getattr(settings, "SITE_ID", ""): > site_id = settings.SITE_ID > return self._get_site_by_id(site_id) > elif request: > return self._get_site_by_request(request) > > raise ImproperlyConfigured( > 'You\'re using the Django "sites framework" without having ' > "set the SITE_ID setting. Create a site in your database and " > "set the SITE_ID setting or pass a request to " > "Site.objects.get_current() to fix this error." > ) > ``` > > I tried patching it from > ``` > if getattr(settings, "SITE_ID", ""): > ``` > to > ``` > if getattr(settings, "SITE_ID", None) is not None: > ``` > but that's even worse. It throws a bunch of > "django.contrib.sites.models.Site.DoesNotExist: Site matching query does > not exist." errors. > > Somehow, get_current is being called without a request object in the > cases where it fails. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to jered(a)convivian.com

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Where are the subject templates hidden?

by Thor Atle Rustad

2017-11-29 7:40 GMT+01:00 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > On 11/28/2017 02:56 AM, Thor Atle Rustad wrote: > > Using Docker. Suppose I've overcome > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/359 and I can make Mailman use > > the templates/site/no directory for my customized templates. Yes, it > seems > > to be working, no hickups when national characters are used in the > > templates. > > > > but... > > > > the welcome message still says "Welcome to the "listname" mailing list" > in > > English. Is it possible to change that? > > > Have you put the desired template in > templates/site/no/list:user:notice:welcome.txt ? > > -- > Yes, I put it there, and the text in that file is what is shown in the welcome mail. However, the subject does not change (still English) Thor

7 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Filter who can send on mailman3 list?

by marcus.granath＠gmail.com

Thank you @Mark Sapiro for you quick reply. So by doing the following settings, then ALL the messages sent to the list will be hold for moderation: Settings -> Message Acceptance "Default action to take when a member posts to the list": "Hold for moderation" "Default action to take when a non-member posts to thelist": "Hold for moderation" Members -> Administration options -> Moderation: "List default" BUT I don't really follow you when you say that those 3 allowed users to send on the list should also have set to "Moderation: List default"? How will they then be able to send messages, or what do I misunderstand here? Also, how do I create a "non-member" user "no-reply(a)abc.com"? Do you mean that I do that under the "Mass operations -> Mass subscriptions" ? Can I add a "fake address" there?

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: Clearing webserver cache - Nginx

by Odhiambo Washington

On Wed, Aug 7, 2024 at 2:08 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 8/6/24 14:27, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > > Is this with only one browser? It's a long shot, but clearing browser > > cache might work. > > > Actually, I see the same issues from my browsers, so it's not a browser > caching issue. The only thing left is nginx caching, but, while I know > very little about nginx, I think it doesn't cache by default and I don't > see where in your posted config it's enabled. Perhaps there's more in > your config that you didn't post. > > If there is a proxy_cache_path directive in your config try > > find /the/proxy/cache/path -type f -delete > > to clear the cache. > > As a last resort, your /opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/ directory should > contain a css/ directory with 3 files and a js directory containing one > file and a manifest.json file with a template for the `link` directives > referencing those files. > > The js/ directory is easy as its only one file, so your server is > looking for /static/CACHE/js/output.3aaa7705d68a.js and you could create > a symlink in the js/ directory from output.3aaa7705d68a.js to the actual > file. For the css directory, your server is looking for > output.158acc288604.css and output.6dab123e4897.css, and I don't see the > third file in the logs you posted, but if I go to pages in your archive > that I see as unstyled and look at the stylesheet references, they are > to output.44ea6c55e917.css, output.e68c4908b3de.css and > output.9efeb5f3d52b.css so you could just symlink those to the actual > files, it doesn't matter which as all three are loaded on each page. > Could you allow me to revisit this issue since I haven't solved it? First, I bypassed CloudFlare DNS proxying just to ensure I have nothing is coming in between my browser and the web server. That did not help with the issue of the "missing" CSS files. Ideally, I should not be creating these symlinks, right? On my old server the symlinks weren't necessary. I have created some symlinks and that appears to help with Apache. I will test with Nginx and see how it goes. ``` root@eu:/opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/css# ls -al total 196 drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Sep 29 10:40 . drwxr-xr-x 4 mailman mailman 4096 Mar 21 2024 .. lrwxrwxrwx 1 mailman mailman 23 Sep 29 10:40 output.ac23d5f5127c.css -> output.d29798365ddb.css lrwxrwxrwx 1 mailman mailman 23 Sep 29 10:31 output.bacec526ec98.css -> output.e69dbb26da3b.css -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 1209 Mar 21 2024 output.d29798365ddb.css -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 569 Mar 21 2024 output.e68c4908b3de.css -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 180904 Mar 21 2024 output.e69dbb26da3b.css root@eu:/opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/css# ``` My question though: What is the source of truth for the files that should be in /opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/css/ ?? Maybe that is what I need to focus on. If need be, then I should *fix* the contents of that file so that it doesn't contain the nonexistent files, no? Lastly, why is it that my https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/ does not display content similar to what https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/ does? What change should I make in which settings.py? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

6 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Can't remove footer(s)

by Henrik Rasmussen

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/02/2018 12:14 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: > > Did I miss something in order to remove the footers? > > Removing the files won't work because Mailman will fall back the the > built-in footer. You have to create empty files. The easiest thing is > just to 'cp /dev/null' to the footer files created by import21 Copying /dev/null doesn't help. It seems to be the same old content of the footer files before I removed the files and restarted Mailman, as if Mailman keeps the cache. I've just (again) ran # docker exec -it mailman-core mailman shell -l [LISTNAME_FQDN] >>> getUtility(ITemplateManager).delete('list:member:digest:footer', m.list_id) >>> getUtility(ITemplateManager).delete('list:member:regular:footer', m.list_id) after copying /dev/null to the files in /opt/mailman/core/var/templates/lists/[LISTNAME_FQDN]/da/list_member_digest_footer.txt and list_member_regular_footer.txt ,but that doesn't change anything. -- Henrik Rasmussen

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Link in the top-left corner of Hyperkitty

by Seth Seeger

On May 8, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 5/8/20 7:34 AM, Seth Seeger wrote: >> >> There is a link to the root of Hyperkitty in the top left corner of my Hyperkitty pages. It links to the correct domain, but the text isn’t right - it’s the first domain name I was using at the beginning of my install for testing. I’d like to update it, but can’t find what to change. > > > You have to edit the display name for the domain in the Django web admin > Sites section. Huh. I had it properly set for the domain that is active, but it wasn’t taking affect. I changed it for the (old) test site, and it changed it. So the name that is showing doesn’t match the domain name that I was changing it for. Thanks, Seth

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty.views.mailman Could not archive the email with message-id '<snip>': A string literal cannot contain NUL (0x00) characters

by Gilles Filippini

Mark Sapiro a écrit le 12/03/2021 à 00:59 : > On 3/11/21 3:10 PM, Gilles Filippini wrote: >> >> Looking at the offending message with 'mailman qfile', it appears it is >> a legitimate one actually, sent from an Android phone. >> >> Couldn't hyperkitty be a bit less strict? > > > Possibly. It looks like this may be > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/271>, fixed? by > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/merge_requests/215>. What > HyperKitty version is this? > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/merge_requests/215> is in 1.3.2. > > If your HyperKitty is >= 1.3.2, please file a new issue at > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues> This is Hyperkitty 1.3.4. I'll file an issue tomorrow. Thanks, _g.

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Deleting messages from HyperKitty archive

by Mark

On 2024-03-26 08:45, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 3/25/24 13:00, Mark wrote: >> >> Regarding updating, the Hyperkitty docs say to (a) update the code >> base; and (b) update the database schemas. >> >> Although updating the database is mentioned, there isn't anything >> about updating the code base. > > Updating the code base just means installing an updated version. E.g. > upgrading from 1.3.8 to 1.3.9. > Thanks Mark. Was another case of "If all else fails, read the instructions..." $ sudo systemctl stop mailman3 $ sudo systemctl stop mailmanweb (venv) $ pip install -U mailman postorius django-mailman3 hyperkitty mailman-web (venv) $ mailman-web migrate (venv) $ mailman-web compress (venv) $ mailman-web collectstatic (venv) $ mailman-web compilemessages $ sudo systemctl start mailman3 $ sudo systemctl start mailmanweb https://www.mailman3.org/en/latest/upgrade-guide.html Successfully upgraded to Hyperkitty 1.3.9 and the delete message link now shows for the list owners. Best, Mark

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Extracting mailing list users

by Jan Eden

On 2022-12-30 10:29, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 12/30/22 03:25, Jan Eden via Mailman-users wrote: > > On minor issue: All user names with > > non-ASCII characters appear with quoted-printable encoding (e.g. > > =?utf-8?q?J=C3=BCrgen?=). Is there a way to output UTF-8 instead of QP? > > I just created https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1048 for this. I > think this patch > ``` > --- a/src/mailman/commands/cli_members.py > +++ b/src/mailman/commands/cli_members.py > @@ -104,10 +104,10 @@ def display_members(ctx, mlist, role, regular, digest, > if nomail is not None: > if member.delivery_status not in status_types: > continue > - if email_only: > + if email_only or not address.display_name: > print(address.original_email, file=outfp) > else: > - print(formataddr((address.display_name, > address.original_email)), > + print(f'{address.display_name} <{address.original_email}>', > file=outfp) > > ``` > (line may be wrapped) will fix it. Excellent – thank you! - Jan

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Your Dashboard

by Allan Hansen

All, Our site has over 50 lists and several moderators are responsible for multiple lists. In addition to a dashboard like described here I would like to have a ‘comment’ field next to each request, so tha the moderator can keep track of the status of each. Our approval process involves multiple steps. Time to visit gitlab? Yours, Allan Hansen hansen(a)rc.org > On Feb 11, 2020, at 12:26 , Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 2/11/20 11:00 AM, Mark Dadgar wrote: >> On Feb 11, 2020, at 10:32 AM, Torge Riedel <torgeriedel(a)gmx.de> wrote: >>> everytime I receive a mail for moderation it says: >>> >>> At your convenience, visit your dashboard to approve or deny the >>> request. >>> >>> So, I am wondering where this "dashboard" might be. We are managing 11 different lists (small scenario I think) and currently we have to navigate to each list and its page of mails to moderate. > > > There's no overall dashboard per se. The message actually refers to > whatever web UI you use to manage the list. The default template for > this message is non-specific because it comes from Mailman core, and > core doesn't know if you are using Postorius or some other web > management system or non at all, and even if it were to assume > Postorius, it doesn't know the URL. > > >>> I like the idea of a "dashboard" were you can see a summary of mails to moderate and other stuff to have an eye on. And directly do this from this dashbard. Which is convenience. >>> >>> If it is already there, where do I find it? If not, do others also find such a dashboard helpful? > > > As I said, there is no overall dashboard in Postorius, just the > individual list management pages. > > >> This is actually a regression from Mailman 2.x. That train included a link to the relevant dashboard in the email, which I miss terribly. > > > I explained above why this is the case, but you can fix it. You do so by > making a sitewide template for this message. In the case of this list, > we have a template in Mailman's var/templates/site/en/ directory (the > default directory for sitewide english templates. This template is named > list:admin:action:post.txt and its content on this site is: > >> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the >> following mailing list posting: >> >> List: $listname >> From: $sender_email >> Subject: $subject >> >> The message is being held because: >> >> $reasons >> >> At your convenience, visit >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/$list_id/held_messages > > > Of course, in your case the <https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/> part > of the URL will be different. > > See > <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience#Templates> > for the other templates I also install. > > You can also put domain specific templates in > var/templates/domains/$domain/$lc/ which override site templates for the > domain and list specific templates in var/templates/lists/$list_id/$lc/ > which override site and domain templates for the list, and you can also > set list templates via Postorius. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: uncaught bounce messages

by David Bremner

David Bremner <david(a)tethera.net> writes: > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> writes: >> >> Thank you. I tested that DSN with current flufl.bounce and it is >> recognized as a temp failure for the reported address and that in turn >> should just be ignored by Mailman's bounce runner and not reported as >> unrecognized. >> >> What version of Mailman core is this and what version of flufl.bounce? >> > > Sorry, meant to reply on list with the rest of the details, but got > distracted by making dinner. So it sounds like the problem is old > versions of flufl.bounce. > > This particular machine is running debian oldstable, so things are a bit > out of date. mailman-core is 3.2.1 and flufl.bounce is 3.0. I'll look > into upgrading at least flufl.bounce. Oh. It's actually 3.0.1. Still not new enough, but 3 years newer. d

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: emails to list missing from archive after upgrade

by Quanah Gibson-Mount

--On Thursday, January 18, 2024 8:13 PM -0800 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 1/18/24 19:57, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: >> >> Ok, I've found them in /var/lib/mailman3/archives/hyperkitty/spool, so >> it does seem like the issue is the indexer hasn't run. Not sure what >> process controls that. > > > That's not the issue. There was an exception in mailman-hyperkitty's > communication with HyperKitty. You will find the errors and tracebacks in > mailman.log. Once you fix the issue, whatever it is, the messages will be > archived. mailman-hyperkitty retries all the messages in > /var/lib/mailman3/archives/hyperkitty/spool with each new post. Thanks Mark! The debian upgrade munged the hyperkitty config. Once that was fixed and a new message posted to the list, everything got archived as it should have been. Regards, Quanah

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users]Re: Request for assistance for fresh install of Mailman 3.0.3 and Python 3.4

by Rubén Rivero Capriles

Thanks Mark for your time. I will follow your recommendation and try mailman bundler again, with care so that new conflicts won't occur as happened yesterday. Mailman bundler docs, in the first paragraph, refer to combined installation of GNU Mailman, Postotius, and Hyperkitty. Does that mean that mailman.client will be installed later separately? My CentOs 7 distribution does not offer python3.4.pip. https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pip offers pip 8.1.2 in two versions: Python Wheel pip-8.1.2-py2.py3-none-any.whl (md5, pgp) Source pip-8.1.2.tar.gz (md5, pgp) Which one should I choose? I also notice that postfix is required. yum offers the following options: pcp-pmda-postfix.x86_64 : Performance Co-Pilot (PCP) metrics for the Postfix (MTA) postfix.x86_64 : Postfix Mail Transport Agent postfix-perl-scripts.x86_64 : Postfix utilities written in perl postfix-sysvinit.noarch : SysV initscript for postfix spamass-milter-postfix.noarch : Postfix support for spamass-milter postgrey.noarch : Postfix Greylisting Policy Server pypolicyd-spf.noarch : SPF Policy Server for Postfix (Python implementation) sqlgrey.noarch : Postfix grey-listing policy service Which of these options are useful? Which ones are unnecessary? Again, thanks very much for your time and hope that the other subscribers in this list find this thread adequate. Haven't found the link on our distribution list profile settings for uploading an avatar. Best regards, Rubén Rivero Capriles http://www.rubenrivero.net (blog global - español) http://www.rroopstr.com (global blog - English) http://www.riverocooper.com (art & mining) Rubén Rivero Capriles http://www.rubenrivero.net (blog global - español) http://www.rroopstr.com (global blog - English) http://www.riverocooper.com (art & mining) 2016-05-28 14:06 GMT-04:00 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > On 05/28/2016 09:51 AM, Rubén Rivero Capriles wrote: > > > > In order to avoid compatibility issues, I reinstalled CentOs 7. > Firewalld, Apache and BIND are operational. I also installed Python 3.4 at > http://www.codeghar.com/blog/install-latest-python-on-centos-7.html; > however I understand that Python 2.7 is still available and am confused > about usage of each version. > > > Mailman 3 consists of several pieces. There is a core engine which is > Python 3. The core does the basic email list management and exposes many > options and settings via a RESTful API. > > There is also mailman.client which provides Python bindings for the REST > API. This is Python 2. > > We also provide a web management UI, Postorius and an archiver, > HyperKitty. These are Django applications and all of this is Python 2. > > There are other pieces as well. > > > > I downloaded the tarball for mailman 3.0.3. I will greatly appreciate if > you quickly let me know how to install it. I do not wish to use mailman > bundler. > > > This is only the core. You can install it with > > python3 setup.py install > > either in a python 3 virtualenv or not, but this will only give you the > core. > > I suggest you see the docs at <http://docs.list.org/en/latest/>, and if > you don't want to use bundler, see > <https://wiki.list.org/DEV/SetupDevEnvironment>, although bundler is the > recommended way to set up a working, non-development Mailman suite. > > In short, the core requires Python 3.4, most of the rest of the suite > requires Python 2.7 because of dependencies not yet ported to Python 3. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

8 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: "Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25"

by Manos Pitsidianakis

Thank you for your prompt response Mark, Στις 2019-09-18 19:12, Mark Sapiro έγραψε: > Is only one list affected, and is it all messages from this list or > only > some? Just two messages from this certain list. Subsequent messages and other activity seems to work properly > Do some deliveries of the problem message succeed? > I think not, the IndividualDelivery lines list all all recipients (list is small so I was able to check) > Postfix can return a 421 status > and drop the connection if there are too many invalid local recipients, > although I don't know if this would apply in the VERP case. Well there is no connection to postfix at all when the runner starts and the "Cannot connect to SMTP server" log shows up. Otherwise I'd have seen something in the postfix logs or tcpdumps in localhost.

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: export/import list?

by Dave McGuire

On 8/22/23 17:59, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> I'm moving from sqlite3 to postgres; I can handle that migration. >> But I'm also moving from Mailman 3.1.1 to 3.3.8; do you (or anyone >> else) know of any schema changes? I spot-checked the first few and >> they looked the same, but before going through all of them I figured >> I'd just ask here. > > Schema changes are handled automatically by alembic. The migrations are > defined in /mailman/database/alembic/versions/. Your current version is > is stored in the database in the alembic_version table. When Mailman > core is started, all migrations from your current version to the latest > version will be applied to bring your database up to date. I.e., you > don't need to be concerned about schema changes upon upgrade. They are > handled automatically. Brilliant! Thank you Mark. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3-web and the django middleware problem

by Odhiambo Washington

On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 8:30 AM Thomas Stein <himbeere(a)meine-oma.de> wrote: > Am 2024-04-26 00:52, schrieb Mark Sapiro: > > On 4/25/24 14:01, Thomas Stein wrote: > >> Am 2024-04-25 22:03, schrieb Mark Sapiro: > >>> > >>> I don't know how things are arranged in the Debian/Ubuntu package, > >>> but you may have a settings.py which at the end does something like > >>> ``` > >>> try: > >>> from settings_local import * > >>> except ImportError: > >>> pass > >>> ``` > >>> If that is the case, adding the above snippet to the end of > >>> settings_local.py should work. > >> > >> Yes, that's the case. I added the snippet in question to > >> settings_local.py but this leads to another error: > >> > >> File "/usr/share/mailman3-web/settings.py", line 503, in <module> > >> from settings_local import * > >> File "/usr/share/mailman3-web/settings_local.py", line 194, in > >> <module> > >> x = list(MIDDLEWARE) > >> ^^^^^^^^^^ > >> NameError: name 'MIDDLEWARE' is not defined > >> dpkg: error processing package mailman3-web (--configure): > > > > Yes. I understand. In your case, MIDDLEWARE is only defined in > > settings.py and not in settings_local.py. As I understand it originally > > you added > > ``` > > x = list(MIDDLEWARE) > > x.insert(0, 'allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware') > > MIDDLEWARE = x > > ``` > > to settings.py and you say it didn't help. I don't know why that > > wouldn't work as long as there is no setting for MIDDLEWARE in > > settings_local.py and you added that after the MIDDLEWARE setting in > > settings.py. > > When you say it didn't help, do you mean you still get the > > > > django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: > > allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware must be added to > > settings.MIDDLEWARE > > > > message or something else? I note that the original post in this thread > > refers to /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py which is presumably where the > > package ultimately puts the Django settings, and I don't know what > > `dpkg --configure` is doing. > > > > One thing you could try is in settings_local.py, put > > ``` > > from settings import MIDDLEWARE > > x = list(MIDDLEWARE) > > x.insert(0, 'allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware') > > MIDDLEWARE = x > > ``` > > to work around the NameError. > > After that I get: > > File "/usr/share/mailman3-web/urls.py", line 20, in <module> > from django.conf.urls import include, url > ImportError: cannot import name 'url' from 'django.conf.urls' > (/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/conf/urls/__init__.py) > dpkg: error processing package mailman3-web (--configure): > installed mailman3-web package post-installation script subprocess > returned error exit status 1 > Errors were encountered while processing: > > I guess I'll wait for the new package for now. > How about adding: MIDDLEWARE += ('allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware',) in settings_local.py And how about you use the virtualenv method <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html> for more peace of mind in the future? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

11 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Templates

by David Krantz

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:08 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 09/28/2017 01:56 PM, David Krantz wrote: > This is clearly a bug and should be fixed. If you report this issue at > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues>, we will try to fix it. I'll do that. >> Of course this very nice functionality is a bit buried. I activated it >> using the interactive python shell, seems less risky than changing the >> database directly. > > > There are many core settings not (yet) exposed in Postorius. This is > something we need to fix, but it takes time and resources. In the mean > time, 'mailman shell' is probably the best way to set them. It is okay and it works just fine. In the current version "mailman withlist" does not set a variable to a list, but it is easy enough to set it yourself if a bit poweruser-ish. br // David

7 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Member Issue Discovered

by Brian Carpenter

On 10/28/20 4:29 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/28/20 11:11 AM, Apollinaris Schöll wrote: >> Most important is to offer an UI to completely delete users for subscribers and list admins. Currently delete account shows this message "Are you sure you want to delete your account? This will remove your account along with all your subscriptions.” >> This is not true and needs to be done. > > Why do you think it's not true? With current Mailman from the HEADs of > the GitLab branches, the only thing not removed is posts from the > archives. The Django account and the Mailman core user and address > records are all removed. This is a bug with Affinity which I have scheduled to be fixed. However I am confused. Data is completely removed from Mailman 3 core when you delete the account via Postorius but not when you unsubscribe from a list? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 auto-disabling of subscriptions

by Mike Wertheim

Thanks for the response. A while back I experimented with enabling verp-probes. The users on the list were confused by the probe emails and sent me a lot of messages asking about them, so I disabled it. There is zero spam on the list. Ill try reducing "bounce info stale after" to "2d". (Actually, would "1d" be even better?) On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 7:46 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 6/16/23 19:20, Mike Wertheim wrote: > > I'm running an email list on mailman3. > > > > My users are getting inundated by messages saying that their > subscriptions > > have been disabled due to their bounce score exceeding the mailing list's > > bounce_score_threshold. > > > > But there is nothing wrong with these users' email accounts. They are all > > perfectly fine. Apparently the issue is somehow related to spam. > > > Is spam being posted to your list? If so, you should ensure that Default > action to take when a member posts to the list is set to Hold for > moderation so that spammers can't subscribe to your list and post > without the post being reviewed by a moderator. Then if the post is on > topic, the moderator can set the user's moderation action to Default > processing when accepting the post so subsequent posts won't be held. > > Also set `verp_probes: yes` in the [mta] section of mailman.cfg. Then > when a user's score reaches threshhold, a probe message is sent and > delivery is only disabled if the probe bounces which it probably won't > if the issue is spam bounces. > > > > Whenever I (as admin) get these emails, I just unsubscribe the user and > > then re-subscribe them. But also, the user gets confused and emails me > > about it, which unnecessarily takes up their time and mine. > > > That should be unnecessary. Just click on the member in the members list > and set the member's Delivery status to Enabled. However, this may not > work because of https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1061 which > is not fixed until the next release, but enabling verp_probes will avoid > that issue. > > > > The relevant list settings are currently... > > bounce score threshold: 5 > > bounce info stale after: 7d > > bounce disabled warning interval: 7d > > bounce disable warnings: 5 > > > > What's the best way to fix this? I'm considering reducing "bounce > > info stale after" to "2d" and/or increasing "bounce disabled warning > > interval" to "90d". > > > Increasing "bounce disabled warning interval" or "bounce disable > warnings" won't help because the user's delivery will still be disabled. > It will just take longer for them to eventually be removed. Reducing > "bounce info stale after" to "2d" might help as long as the list gets > good posts more frequently than that, but the best way to deal with this > is to enable verp_probes and then only consider other things if that > doesn't help. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to mike.wertheim(a)gmail.com >

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Converting discussion list to read-only list (settings)

by Paul Arenson

Mark Sapiro wrote: > Issue is HyperKittyb-when replying to a message in an existing thread instead of >using the 'reply' action on that message, they use the Start a new thread button. So then >If by "read only" you mean the "Announce only mailing list style" as >opposed to the "Ordinary discussion mailing list style" the only >difference is that for the Announce only style the list attribute >allow_list_posts is False and for the Discussion style, it's True. > >This is the setting in Postorius -> Settings -> Alter Messages -> >Include the list post header an all it does is include or not include >the List-Post: header in mail from the list. Ok...there is no specific setting I see "allow_list_posts" but you wrote "Include the list post header " later on. So i set THAT one to NO? Thank you.

5 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: more about spanish translations

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

On 19/2/21 18:26, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/19/21 5:09 AM, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: >> I would like to translate it all, but as said, I cannot find where to do >> it. I wonder if it's comes from another package as allauth or something >> like this. > > Yes, it does come from allauth, specifically > allauth/templates/account/email/email_confirmation_message.txt. > > The Spanish allauth message catalog is at > <https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/tree/master/allauth/locale/es/LC…>. > I suppose you could submit a pull request to update it. > > Or you could just update your local file in your installation. > I will do both: first translate locally. Test it, and then see if I can share it with the rest of the people (and then I will not have to worry to maintain it when next upgrades come) Thanks a lot, as always, Mark.

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to prevent members to attach executables (exe, bat, ...) to the emails sent to list

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > Filtering by extension only works on message parts that have an > associated file name. Thus, while you can add things like 'exe', 'bat', > 'cmd', 'com', 'pif', 'scr', 'vbs' and 'cpl' to filter_extensions, it > won't be completely effective. > > A better approach is to use MIME types[1] and only allow those you want. > For a discussion list, a reasonable set is what this list uses: I wouldn't say "better" if you're concerned about the executables being malware. There's long history of concealing malware by giving it a MIME type different from what the extension implies, and there was at least one Windows exploit that used this technique to achieve automatic execution of malware simply by displaying the message.

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Sibling lists in Mailman3

by Markus Grandpre

Is there an equivalent approach to implement sibling lists in Mailman3? Best regards, Markus Grandpré Am 3/28/24 um 16:06 schrieb Markus Grandpré: > Thank you. > > Am 27.03.24 um 17:26 schrieb Mark Sapiro: >> On 3/27/24 08:05, Markus Grandpre wrote: >>> >>> after I migrated a list from Mailman21 to Mailman3 I missed the Mailman21 setting "regular_include_lists" (or >>> something similar) in Mailman3. How are sibling lists treated in Mailman3? >> >> The sibling list features do not exist in Mailman 3. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to markus.grandpre(a)uni-konstanz.de -- Markus Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Adding Mass Subscribe custom template error

by Arte Chambers

Correct I used list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com On Wed, Jan 29, 2025, 2:58 PM Arte Chambers <paul.m.robey(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks! Looks resolved however I'm not 100% sure which steps fixed it: > > My Steps: > ``` > cat /etc/hosts > 127.0.1.1 list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com list > 127.0.0.1 localhost > ``` > > Updated > ``` > POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://localhost:8000/' > POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://example.com' > ``` > Restarted mailman3 AND mailmanweb service > > Updated /etc/mailman3/gunicorn.conf adding workers=9 > > Restarted mailman3 AND mailmanweb service > > Deleted custom template from Postorious > > Created new custom template from Postorious > > Added test user to list > > User was added with no errors and also received the custom Template. > > Thanks Mark, Gerald > > Bonus question: how should I calculate how many workers I should have on > my system? > > > Thank you, > Paul 'Arte Chambers' Robey > 502-408-6922 > > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 2:36 PM <vogt(a)spamcop.net> wrote: > > > > Sounds somewhat like the problem I have had: > > > > > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… > > > > The problem for me was that I am using gunicorn but did not increase the > number of workers… > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > > > This message sent to paul.m.robey(a)gmail.com > Thank you, > Paul 'Arte Chambers' Robey > 502-408-6922 > > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 2:54 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > > On 1/29/25 11:20, Arte Chambers via Mailman-users wrote: > > > Ok I did install using the > > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html > > > > > > I added > > > ``` > > > POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL='https://www.example.com/' > > > ``` > > > > I hope you didn't add the above literally without replacing > > www.example.com with your actual host name. > > > > It should be > > ``` > > POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'list.louisvillecommunitygrocery.com' > > ``` > > > > > to /etc/mailman3/settings.py and restarted mailman services > > > > > > However I'm still getting the same error from mailman.log > > > > > > requests.exceptions.ReadTimeout: HTTPConnectionPool(host='localhost', > > > port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) > > > > I don't understand why it should still be trying to connect to > > localhost:8000. Also, I don't understand why localhost:8000 times out. > > What is your setting for localhost in /etc/hosts? it should be > > `127.0.0.1`. If it is `::1` that could be the issue. > > > > > Not sure if I'm editing the correct config file. > > > > /etc/mailman3/settings.py should be correct. > > > > -- > > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > > > This message sent to paul.m.robey(a)gmail.com >

2 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: What's the difference between (purpose of) reject and ignore

by Andy Smith

Hello, On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 08:22:31PM -0000, denis.bitouze(a)univ-littoral.fr wrote: > Mark Sapiro wrote: > > In the pop-up dialog from clicking the subject of a held post you can > > set the sender's moderation status when discarding the post. > > Sorry but I can only see: > > - “--- Set member moderation ---” (non selectable, I guess) > - “Hold for moderation” > - “Reject (with notification)” > - “Discard (no notification)” > - “Accept immediately (bypass other rules)” > - “Default processing” > > and cannot see how I can at the same time “Discard (no notification)” > and “Banish the email of the post's sender”. These are actions for all future messages from that member, so "Discard (no notification)" would set it to (silently) discard all future mails from them. Is that not what you mean by "banish"? Cheers, Andy

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderate first postings of new members

by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au

>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> writes: Mark> On 11/3/22 04:55, c.buhtz(a)posteo.jp wrote: >> >> What I want is that I would like to moderate the messages of new >> subscribed members until I set them to auto-accept all messages. I >> want to see what a new member is posting before it is send/accepted >> to the list. Mark> Set "Default action to take when a member posts to the list" to Mark> "Hold for moderation" Then, in the held messages view, click the Mark> subject and in the resultant dialog, select "Default processing" Mark> from the "set member moderation" dropdown and Accept the Mark> message. If you've set the default processing to 'hold for moderation' won't this just continue to moderate the member? Ive been selecting 'Accept immediately' in the dialog. Peter C

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating to mailman-web and Ubuntu 22.04

by Andrew Hodgson

Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >On 11/15/22 06:30, Andrew Hodgson via Mailman-users wrote: >> >> I've potentially resolved to use Uwsgi for this and install another package which makes the installation more in line with this: >> https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html > >That doc needs to be updated to at least include gunicorn as an alternative to uwsgi. As time permits, I'll work on that. I've managed to complete the install now using that doc using Uwsgi in the venv. I think I used Gunicorn before because Mailman installs it as a dependency so it was something I just used. I also didn't need to install python3-dev on the host with Gunicorn, Uwsgi needed that install to complete the compilation task. I did also try using the packaged version of Uwsgi with Ubuntu but that was a bit of a non-starter. Thanks. Andrew.

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moving existing lists to a new domain

by Jeremy Stanley

On 2024-09-18 16:36:50 -0700 (-0700), Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 9/18/24 10:13, Jeremy Stanley wrote: [...] > > Since all the lists for the given domain will be moving to the > > same unused new domain on the existing server, and can move at > > the same time, I suppose this could be done through (offline if > > necessary) backend database update queries. [...] > For the mailing list, the only changes needed are to the > mailinglist table; but this leaves the question of list_id. > According to RFC 2919, section 4, the list_id should not change, > but this is problematic in that if it isn't changed, [...] > so to reduce confusion, it may be better to update the list_id > values [...] > For HyperKitty, similar changes need to be made to the > hyperkitty_mailinglist table. [...] Thanks! This looks even more straightforward than I'd hoped. -- Jeremy Stanley

7 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM2 to MM3 Archives Loading

by Odhiambo Washington

On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 11:28 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 11/22/24 11:02, Joshua Bushe wrote: > > Unsure where these hide inactive or hide private boxes are located. > Looked through all settings. > > > They are at the top of the main Hyperkitty overview page. E.g. like > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/ My lists are public, and I have nothing to hide, so let me expose my issue—which I believe is similar to that of the OP. https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/ - is empty, but there is this active list, which has archives: https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/list/kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.k… I have been wondering why. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Heads up: settings.ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD is deprecated

by Andreas Vetter

On Montag, 10. Februar 2025 20:26:26 CET Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/10/25 01:07, Andreas Vetter wrote: > > That is unfortunately not enough to get rid of the Warning, because > > venv/lib/ python3.11/site-packages/mailman_web/settings/mailman.py > > contains the old ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD and allauth is complains > > about it. > > In the recommended virtualenv installation, the settings that Django > sees are /etc/mailman3/settings.py. That in turn contains > ``` > from mailman_web.settings.base import * > from mailman_web.settings.mailman import * > ``` > but if following those imports you have > ``` > del ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD > ``` > Django won't see it and won't complain. Did you actually try this? If > so, did you put the `del ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD` after `from > mailman_web.settings.mailman import *` in /etc/mailman3/settings.py? You are right, it is enough, when one does not have a typo in it. My fault. Thanks a lot, Andreas

2 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Pck files stuck in out queue

by Lieuallen, Thomas Otis

I’m still wondering about mailman’s cache (cache_dir setting). I have 2x cache files under it that are 3-4 days old. These are mailman cache files, not mailman-web. # pwd /opt/mailman/mm # find cache -type f -ls 38627053 4 -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 13 Feb 6 16:42 cache/26/26/2626c32ded811be4e9631d2215f32d88522b67142bf0eea502362d2b15c4743e 118392 4 -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 11 Feb 7 09:42 cache/98/14/9814e4457e2489e2ec77d19ce982d3643fac3ad849c9861a9198eebf53f1fcde I haven’t figured out how to work with these cache files. I found some mention that a runner would clean up cache files after a week (default) and that one could use ‘cache_life’ to change that default. So, I set the following and restarted mailman. The cache files hadn’t been removed after > 4 hours, so I unset it and restarted again. Cache_life: 1d Without further information or direction, I’m tempted to just remove those cache files and move on with life. Thank you Tom Lieuallen From: Lieuallen, Thomas Otis via Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Date: Friday, February 7, 2025 at 1:43 PM To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Pck files stuck in out queue [This email originated from outside of OSU. Use caution with links and attachments.] Mark, I checked the database; nothing there. Note that there are only 3x entries and only one is list:member:regular:header (my test), so just nothing of interest. The URL works and produces the proper template information. I finally did a find/grep in the mailman tree and found a match for this errant string. It is under the cache folder. This corresponds to the cache_dir value. I could wipe the file out, but what is the proper way of doing so and should they be cleaned out via a schedule? These don’t appear to be web related, as far as I can tell. Thank you Tom Lieuallen From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Date: Friday, February 7, 2025 at 10:37 AM To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Pck files stuck in out queue [This email originated from outside of OSU. Use caution with links and attachments.] On 2/7/25 10:08, Lieuallen, Thomas Otis via Mailman-users wrote: > > I have a remaining issue that baffles me. With my test list, I created a template for ‘list:member:regular:header’. It just has text in it, keeping it simple. I create it and see the entries in the database tables and they are correct. However, when I send a test email, my template text is not inserted, but instead another simple text: “testing hello”. I do the same with list:member:regular:footer, and it works just fine. It is just the header that is working incorrectly. When I remove that postorius header template for the list, that ‘testing hello’ goes away. So, it’s only appearing when I have a postorius template setup for that list. What do you get from the following database queries? SELECT * FROM template WHERE name = 'list:member:regular:header'; SELECT * FROM postorius_emailtemplate WHERE name = 'list:member:regular:header'; Depending on your installation, these tables may be in separate databases, i.e., template table in mailman db and postorius_emailtemplate in mailmanweb db. And what do you get if you go to the uri in the result(s) from the first query? The context in the first results and maybe the second results should also be a clue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…><https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/> Archived at: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…><https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> This message sent to lieualth(a)oregonstate.edu _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…<https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/> Archived at: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…<https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> This message sent to lieualth(a)oregonstate.edu

2 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty_import.py Error

by Brian Carpenter

On 2/7/21 2:40 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> I am trying to import some old archives (going back to 2003) into a >> Mailman 3 list. The import job is terminating very early in the process >> with the following error: >> >> IndexError: string index out of range >> >> 1. Is there a way to fix a mbox file that is generating this type of error? > Yes, but you need to understand what message is causing the error and > why. The full traceback from the error can help. So can the script at > <https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/check_hk_import>. > Hi Mark, I wanted to follow up to say that I solved the import error by updating to the latest stable version of MM3/Hyperkitty. You actually had a fix recently to address the "IndexError: string index out of range" error specifically. Your other comments were also very helpful. Thank you! -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating archives from Mailman21 to Mailman3

by Odhiambo Washington

On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 7:38 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 9/24/24 05:49, Markus Grandpré wrote: > > Dear List, > > > > I have a question about migrating archives from Mailman21 to Mailman3: > > Is it possible to migrate only the archive of a list, but not the list? > > > Yes. There is no requirement that archives have a matching list in > Mailman core. So the documentation at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html needs revision as it creates the impression that a matching list needs to be there: ``` $ python manage.py hyperkitty_import -l foo-list(a)example.com $var_prefix/archives/private/foo-list.mbox/foo-list.mbox ``` -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

6 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Invalid FilterAction: discard. Treating as discard

by Henrik Rasmussen

Mark Sapiro wrote: > Then if collapse_alternatives is True (settable here or in Postorius), > any multipart/alternative parts will by replaced by the first, > presumably text/plain, sub-part. > > Finally, if convert_html_to_plaintext is True (settable here or in > Postorius), any remaining text/html parts will be converted to plain > text by lynx or whatever is configured as html_to_plain_text_command in > mailman.cfg. > This will ensure that filter_action is applied only to those messages > which have no text/plain or text/html parts. Great, that helped for the content. Thanks. Still, attachments (PDF) is removed by Mailman. I as the list admin to send a new mail, but hold it back, to see what type it is. If that doesn't work, we have talked about deleting the list and add it from scratch. Is the any prolems (with left overs from the old imported list), when deleting the list from Postorius? /Henrik Rasmussen

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Fwd: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /archives/search

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 23:09 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 1/23/23 02:41, Johannes Rohr wrote: > > > > I don't understand what the cause for the "permission denied" could be. > > The directory "fulltext_index" is owned by mailman:mailman > > > > Does anyone have a hint? I did some googling for the error, but to no > > avail, unfortunately. > > > It's actually trying to create fulltext_index, so clearly it's not > looking at the fulltext_index that you are. If you are following > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html you probably > need to specify the path in /etc/mailman3/settings.py as in, e.g. > ``` > HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS['default']['PATH'] = > '/opt/mailman/mm/var/fulltext_index' > Doesn't this follow the same rules of getting the settings.py from gitlab? > >

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Pck files stuck in out queue

by Lieuallen, Thomas Otis

Mark, You were (of course), absolutely on target, thank you! I have a remaining issue that baffles me. With my test list, I created a template for ‘list:member:regular:header’. It just has text in it, keeping it simple. I create it and see the entries in the database tables and they are correct. However, when I send a test email, my template text is not inserted, but instead another simple text: “testing hello”. I do the same with list:member:regular:footer, and it works just fine. It is just the header that is working incorrectly. When I remove that postorius header template for the list, that ‘testing hello’ goes away. So, it’s only appearing when I have a postorius template setup for that list. I have searched on the file system for any such templates and only see the default ones; all zero length files. There are no templates defined for the domain in postorius – but if there were, I’d expect to see that test header all the time. I’m just baffled. Any clues? I’m a relative newbie to mailman3. When I first set it up, I tried the postorius templates for the domain. They didn’t work (had to have been due to the POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL being wrong. So, I scrapped that and went with templates in the file system. Thank you Tom Lieuallen From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Date: Thursday, February 6, 2025 at 3:46 PM To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Pck files stuck in out queue [This email originated from outside of OSU. Use caution with links and attachments.] On 2/6/25 15:21, Lieuallen, Thomas Otis via Mailman-users wrote: > Mark, > > There were no apparent permissions problems on templates. I was getting the ‘Cannot connect to SMTP server’ message in mailman.log. > > I did end up applying the patch to decorate.py and messages went through. I’ve since removed the patch, as I’m still looking for an answer and might as well let it queue up again. Per the above, template access is definitely the problem. > The only thing that is making me ponder at the moment is that the list owners setup a template for list:member:regular:footer in postorius. It appears that each list has a copy of that file. The modifications I see in postorius are not in their …/templates/list/<listname>/en/list:member:regular:footer.txt file. Are their modifications stored somewhere else and causing the problem? Templates set in Postorius are stored in the database in the postorius_emailtemplate table. At the same time an entry is made in the template table with a uri to retrieve the template from a Postorius API. The uri is something like http(s)://host/mailman3/api/templates/list/LIST-ID/list:member:regular:footer where the http(s)://host part is from the setting for POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL. The issue is that uri is not retrievable probably because the setting for POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL is wrong. You should look at the uris in the template table in the database and figure out what they should be, probably by trying to retrieve one in a browser with the scheme and host what you actually use to access Postorius. Once you figure out what the correct uri is you can set POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL appropriately, but this won't fix the existing template table entries. You can fix those manually in the database or you can delete and recreate the templates in Postorius after fixing POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL and restarting the Mailman web service. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…<https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/> Archived at: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…<https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> This message sent to lieualth(a)oregonstate.edu

2 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] No e-mail distribution after import of archive

by Markus Grandpré

Dear Mr. Sapiro, on our test system we noticed the problem that after importing a mailing list archive from a Mailman system v2.1 into a Mailman system v3.3.8, e-mails are no longer distributed via this mailing list. E-mails that are written to the list find their way into the archive, but they are not sent to any member of the list. Before the archive was imported, writing an e-mail to the list and distributing this e-mail via the list was not a problem. Unfortunately, we cannot find any indication of this issue in the log of the mailman system v3.3.8. Please help us to further analyze and solve this problem, as we are planning to import 188 archives into our new productive mailman system v3.3.8 during the next months. With kind regards, Markus Grandpré -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

5 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty Recommended mySQL Database Setup & Archive Importing

by matthew＠alberti.us

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: outgoing.py mailman@example.com issue

by dancab＠caltech.edu

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/7/21 1:22 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > dancab(a)caltech.edu writes: > > I deployed Mailman3 last night and today we've had some "bounced" > > messages with headers referencing mailman(a)example.com. This has > > only happened with a few lists. Any ideas what causes this? > > ... > > Mark may have a better idea. > > This is a fake DSN that is generated when Mailman's attempt to send a > bounce probe results in a failure from the MTA to which Mailman > delivers. See code at > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/runners/outgoin... > and around > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/runners/outgoin... We do have mailman(a)caltech.edu configured with valid members/owners. We're using Postfix for the MTA. Is it possible there's a misconfiguration there? We've been testing the system with a handful of lists for months. -- Dan

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: unknown encoding: windows-874

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > Python doesn't recognize windows-874 as known charset. iso-8859-11 is a known character set for Thai, with a few missing punctuation marks. If the message turns out to be not Thai, but mostly ASCII with a few broken characters that are probably punctuation (including directed quotes, ellipsis, and the EURO SIGN), any Windows-12xx character set (IIRC, Windows-1252 is closest to Latin-1) should have those in the same positions. > You can move it aside, and if it looks like something you actually want > to archive, you might be able to fix it, but that's tricky. The file in > var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ is I think a pickled email message > object. You can view it with `mailman qfile`, but editing is tricky. If any of the above codecs seem to work, just editing the charset parameter in Content-Type header(s) should do the trick. Sorry, can't help with the editing process itself, though. Steve

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: per domain SITE_ID views?

by David Newman

On 12/28/21 1:30 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 12/28/21 1:14 PM, David Newman wrote: >> Using FILTER_VHOST, I have two domains set up and working with MM3, >> Postorius and Hyperkitty. However, because SITE_ID in settings.py >> points to one of the domains, that domain name always appears on >> Postorius and Hyperkitty pages. > ... >> How to get the correct domain to appear on that domain's Postorius and >> Hyperkitty pages? > > > I don't think the domain is actually displayed on Postorius pages. You are almost certainly correct. I saw dom1.tld on a login page, but hadn't realized that login page comes from Hyperkitty and not Postorious. > If > I'm wrong, on what Postorius view do you see it? As far as HyperKitty is > concerned, please file an issue for this at > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/new Opened an issue here: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/404 dn

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: FYI: Django security releases issued: 4.0.6 and 3.2.14

by David Newman

On 7/7/22 3:02 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 7/7/22 1:36 PM, David Newman wrote: >> >> That was my first thought too. But there's nothing in that directory >> beginning with a hyphen, not even with the -a switch. > > What about > ``` > ls -la /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/*-jango* > ``` > and if that shows nothing, > ``` > grep -r '-jango' /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/ Nothing from the first command. The second command thinks '-j' is grep switch, and throws an invalid-option error: root@somehost:/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages# grep -r '-jango' /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/ grep: invalid option -- 'j' Usage: grep [OPTION]... PATTERNS [FILE]... I *think* the command runs if I escape the hyphen: root@somehost:/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages# grep -r '\-jango' /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/ But then that doesn't return anything. dn

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: how to unhold a hold message from a nonmmeber in hold list.

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

El 21/4/23 a las 14:29, Mark Sapiro escribió: > On 4/21/23 1:19 AM, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: >> I'm having troubles with Django and cannot access to web admin. >> >> I need to unhold a message while figures out what is happening. >> >> Searching the mailman cli help commands didn't help me. >> >> Anyone who knows how to unhold a message, please? > > > See this post > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > Thanks, Mark. That could have been a life saver if I hadn't reset the UI. I'm writing it down for a future need. -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: Template URI gets written incorrectly

by Mark Dale

On 2023-05-24 10:11, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 5/23/23 16:51, Mark Dale via Mailman-users wrote: >> >> When I create a template, it writes the URI incorrectly into the template table in the mailman3 database and the list stops working. >> >> For example, it writes: >> >> http://localhost/mailman3/postorius/api/templates/list/markslist.lists.post… >> >> When I correct it like so, all is well: >> >> https://lists.postmark.io/mailman3/postorius/api/templates/list/markslist.l… >> >> Have I missed a config setting somewhere, or is this a bug with the older Debian Mailman 3.3.3 ? > > > You need to set > > POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://lists.postmark.io/' > > in your Django settings. Debian probably has set it to 'http://localhost/'. > Indeed that was it! Thanks very much Mark. /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py Line 190: POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://lists.postmark.io/'

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: [SOLVED] Re: Re: Help with Newbie error -- I think I deleted my server

by William Oliver

On Sat, 2021-12-25 at 10:19 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 12/25/21 7:13 AM, William Oliver wrote: > > > > Just out of curiosity, if I could not have guessed a valid ID > > number > > and did not have the admin interface, how could I have figured out > > what > > site IDs were available? > > > If Postorius is working, recent versions show the SITE_ID in the > domains > view. I.e. after you added your domain you could have noted the > SITE_ID > and made the change in settings before deleting the example.com > domain. > > In any case, the django_site table in Mailman's database has the > information. > Thanks. Yep, I peeked at the database and there it was. That would probably been more efficient than randomly choosing numbers... billo

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: how to unhold a hold message from a nonmmeber in hold list.

by Odhiambo Washington

On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 11:20 AM Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > I'm having troubles with Django and cannot access to web admin. > > I need to unhold a message while figures out what is happening. > > Searching the mailman cli help commands didn't help me. > > Anyone who knows how to unhold a message, please? > TBH, I find it a lot easier to fix the web UI than mess with the python shell :-) While you wait for @Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> to save you, you can be reading the following: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailmanclient/en/latest/src/mailmanclien… -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: Permissions issue after upgrade of virtualenv

by Odhiambo Washington

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 10:41 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 3/9/23 11:25, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > Thu Mar 09 22:17:59.313459 2023] [core:error] [pid 15655] (13)Permission > > denied: [client 197.232.xx.xx:26574] AH00035: access to / denied > > (filesystem path '/opt/mailman/mm') because search permissions are > missing > > on a component of the path, referer: https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/ > > I did not change Apache config and I made sure that /opt/mailman is all > > owned by mailman:mailman. > > > > What am I missing? > > > X permission on one or more of /opt, /opt/mailman, /opt/mailman/mm > Wow. That would have taken me a decade to spot! The X permissions were missing on /opt/mailman. Thank you very much. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: pending subscriptions lost?

by IEM Network Operation Center (IOhannes m zmölnig)

On 3/14/22 17:03, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 3/14/22 06:00, IEM Network Operation Center (IOhannes m zmölnig) wrote: > > This is https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/729 fixed in Mailman > 3.3.5. thanks for comfirming. > > >> - i (as administrator) do not see any "pending subscriptions" (the >> list is setup with a simple "Confirm" subscription policy > > The count badge only counts subscriptions waiting moderator approval. If > you pull down the Subscription requests tab and click Pending > Confirmation you should see them and be able to discard them. hmm. i'm not sure i can follow. my "Subscription requests" tab seems to not have any "Pending Confirmation" section (see attached screenshot). this is with "Postorius Version 1.2.4" (as installed by the mailman3 Debian package). fdsm< IOhannes ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: Subscription requests.png

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: clicking on a username when viewing a thread results in "Page not found"

by Ken Alker

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 6/26/23 12:20 AM, Ken Alker wrote: > > If I click on a username when viewing a thread, it returns "Page not found" then "This page either doesn't exist, or it moved somewhere else.". Any idea why this may be happening? > This is a problem. That link goes to, e.g., > https://example.com/archives/users/<user_id>/. What do you get if you > strip the user_id and just go to what > https://example.com/archives/users/ translates to on your system? > You should get a page saying > Not implemented > > This feature has not been implemented yet, sorry. > > If you get a 404, there is an issue with your web server configuration > or maybe your top level urls.py. I get "Not implemented". I do not get a 404 error.

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating mailman3 to latest ubuntu lts

by Helio Loureiro

Hi, I looked to the version I in the old installation: mysql> select * from alembic_version; +--------------+ | version_num | +--------------+ | 4bd95c99b2e7 | +--------------+ 1 row in set (0.00 sec) I set the same version on the new. Actually I loaded a fresh dump from DB to be sure it was the same. And now it is starting without errors. I guess that was it. Thanks a lot! Best Regards, Helio Loureiro https://helio.loureiro.eng.br https://github.com/helioloureiro https://mastodon.social/@helioloureiro On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 at 18:47, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/14/23 01:48, Helio Loureiro wrote: > > > > > But it is failing to start displaying the domain name from the previous > > machine. > > > > (venv) mailman@new-server ~ (v3.3.9)> mailman start > > Starting Mailman's master runner > > Generating MTA alias maps > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File > > > "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/base.py", > > line 1969, in _exec_single_context > > self.dialect.do_execute( > > File > > > "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/default.py", > > line 922, in do_execute > > cursor.execute(statement, parameters) > > File > > "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pymysql/cursors.py", > line > > 153, in execute > > result = self._query(query) > > File > > "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pymysql/cursors.py", > line > > 322, in _query > > conn.query(q) > > File > > > "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", > > line 558, in query > > self._affected_rows = self._read_query_result(unbuffered=unbuffered) > > File > > > "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", > > line 822, in _read_query_result > > result.read() > > File > > > "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", > > line 1200, in read > > first_packet = self.connection._read_packet() > > File > > > "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pymysql/connections.py", > > line 772, in _read_packet > > packet.raise_for_error() > > File > > "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pymysql/protocol.py", > > line 221, in raise_for_error > > err.raise_mysql_exception(self._data) > > File > "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pymysql/err.py", > > line 143, in raise_mysql_exception > > raise errorclass(errno, errval) > > pymysql.err.OperationalError: (1054, "Unknown column > 'domain.alias_domain' > > in 'field list'") > > > The issue is your domains table and possibly others are not up to the > current schema. This should be accomplished by Mailman core running all > the necessary migrations in mailman/database/alembic/versions/. For some > reason, alembic's MigrationContext thinks the migrations have been run, > but they haven't. In the `mailman` database, the alembic_version table > has the version_num of the putative current version. The migration that > added alias_domain is dfe82cf73702_add_alias_domain.py. If there is no > alias_domain column in the domain table, alembic_version.version_num > should be a version older than 'dfe82cf73702'. > > I suggest querying the prior mailman database for the > alembic_version.version_num value and setting that in the current > database, assuming that that migration exists in > mailman/database/alembic/versions/. > > This may be sufficient, but there may be other inconsistencies depending > on exactly what you did. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to helio(a)loureiro.eng.br >

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty on Debian 12

by Markus Grandpré

short addendum: I was able to correct the following warnings when performing database operations on the mailman-web database: 1) /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_q/conf.py:139: UserWarning: Retry and timeout are misconfigured. Set retry larger than timeout, failure to do so will cause the tasks to be retriggered before completion. See https://django-q.readthedocs.io/en/latest/configure.html#retry for details. 2) django_mailman3.MailDomain: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used when not defining a primary key type, by default 'django.db.models.AutoField'. HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the DjangoMailman3Config.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. on our Debian 12 system in file </etc/mailman/mailman-web.cfg>: 1) Q_CLUSTER = { 'orm': 'default', 'retry': 360, 'save_limit': 100, 'timeout': 300, 'worker': 2 } 2) DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD = 'django.db.models.BigAutoField' Best Markus Am 26.03.24 um 08:06 schrieb Markus Grandpré: > Dear Mr Sapiro, > > thank you very much for your help. The required command is: > > # mailman-web hyperkitty_import \ > -l mailman21-migration-test-04(a)mailman.uni-konstanz.de \ > /var/mailman21/testlist.mbox > > Due to the following warnings, I still have to customize Hyperkitty: > > django_mailman3.MailDomain: (models.W042) Auto-created primary key used > when not defining a primary key type, by default > 'django.db.models.AutoField'. > HINT: Configure the DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD setting or the > DjangoMailman3Config.default_auto_field attribute to point to a subclass > of AutoField, e.g. 'django.db.models.BigAutoField'. > ... > > Can you give me another hint? As Linux admin I installed the packages > mailman and mailman-web that were offered to me under Debian 12. > Although during the installation of the packages user "list" was > created, I cannot use it: > > # su - list > This account is currently not available > > As with Mailman 2.1, I will probably have to continue working with > Mailman3 as root. Too bad that there is no documentation for Debian > admins like me, who don't want to dive too deep into the python > framework. Or have I overlooked something? > > Best regards, > Markus > > > > Am 25.03.24 um 18:56 schrieb Mark Sapiro: >> On 3/25/24 07:58, Markus Grandpre wrote: >>> Dear list members, >>> >>> when following the instructions to migrate list archives from >>> Mailman21 to Mailman3 (see [1]), I face the following problem: >>> >>> # python3 manage.py hyperkitty_import -l mailman21-migration-test-04 >>> /var/mailman21/testlist.mbox >>> python3: can't open file '/var/mailman21/manage.py': [Errno 2] No >>> such file or directory >>> >>> and have no clue, where to find the right <manage.py> file. The command >> >> >> This depends on how you installed Mailman 3. You may or may not want >> `python3 manage.py` at all. The required command could be something >> like `django-admin` or `mailman-web`. >> >> Also the `#` prompt indicates you may be running as root. Mailman >> related commands should be run as the Mailman user (could be `mailman` >> or `list` or ... depending again on how you installed Mailman). >> Running as root can create files owned by root that later can't be >> read by the Mailman user. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to markus.grandpre(a)uni-konstanz.de -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: How to see the admin password reset in docker with mailman3

by Jeremy Stanley

On 2023-04-06 14:38:41 -0700 (-0700), Mark Sapiro wrote: [...] > I can't answer that question, but you can set an admin user and > password with the django admin createsuperuser command. And for reference, here's how it's run at setup for the containers: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/blob/b581310/web/docker-entrypoin… python3 manage.py createsuperuser --noinput --username \ "$MAILMAN_ADMIN_USER" --email "$MAILMAN_ADMIN_EMAIL" For a maybe more automate-able example, here's how we call it from outside the container via docker exec on our deployments: https://opendev.org/opendev/system-config/src/commit/ab0e6e1/playbooks/role… docker exec mailman-web bash -c \ "DJANGO_SUPERUSER_PASSWORD={{ mailman3_admin_password }} \ python3 manage.py createsuperuser --no-input --username \ {{ mailman3_admin_user }} --email \ '{{ mailman3_admin_email }}'" The things in {{}} are Jinja2 templated values we supply through Ansible, you could just replace them with whatever values are appropriate for your deployment. -- Jeremy Stanley

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: not correct language in subject(s)

by Jens Günther

Am 23.05.23 um 00:54 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > For list welcome and goodbye messages to users, this is > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/993, fixed by > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1000 but since that > was fixed in Mailman 3.3.6, this would be a separate issue. I find those changes, but: in the merge request there is mentioned a /usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/testing/mailman-fr.po -> but I don't find a mailman-de.po ... is it maybe that? > Please be more specific than `all types of system mails`. Which specific > message subjects are not translated. It's exactly as mentioned in issue 993 the welcome and goodbye-messages that I don't see translated. But also other examples: - bounce-mail for the user that moderator approval is necessary (there the text is in german, but the reason is in english) - approval-mail for moderator (also text is in german, but subject and reason in english) Thank you for checking!

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: postfix malformed address with confirm replies

by Stephen Willey Mats Mats

> On Feb 26, 2021, at 16:08:35 PST, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > >>> The mail system >>> >>> <matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm+d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu>: >>> host 172.19.199.2[172.19.199.2] said: 553 5.1.3 Error: malformed address >>> (in reply to RCPT TO command) >>> Reporting-MTA: dns; ip-172-31-18-222.us-west-2.compute.internal >>> X-Postfix-Queue-ID: E144B8BC3C5 >>> X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; stephen.s.w.matsmats(a)gmail.com >>> Arrival-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 14:08:54 -0800 (PST) >>> >>> Final-Recipient: rfc822; matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm+d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu >>> Original-Recipient: rfc822;matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm+d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu >>> Action: failed >>> Status: 5.1.3 >>> Remote-MTA: dns; 172.19.199.2 >>> Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 553 5.1.3 Error: malformed address > > I have no idea why Postfix is saying > `matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm+d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu` > is a malformed address, but this is a Postfix issue, not Mailman. > > Can you successfully post to `matsmats-mm3-test1 > @mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu` how about a `help` command to > `matsmats-mm3-test1-request(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu` > Yep, all day long. A ‘help’ command succeeded. As did sending the confirm command to the -request address. oh, and looking further at the postfix logs the message was accepted by postfix but the error pops-up when postfix tries to pass it on. Feb 26 14:08:54 ip-172-31-18-222 postfix/smtpd[5933]: connect from mail-pj1-f50.google.com[209.85.216.50] Feb 26 14:08:54 ip-172-31-18-222 postfix/smtpd[5933]: E144B8BC3C5: client=mail-pj1-f50.google.com[209.85.216.50] Feb 26 14:08:54 ip-172-31-18-222 postfix/cleanup[5966]: E144B8BC3C5: message-id=<9B650420-A50D-4E25-8B5B-C696C388B7DA(a)selby.com> Feb 26 14:08:54 ip-172-31-18-222 postfix/qmgr[3214]: E144B8BC3C5: from=<stephen.s.w.matsmats(a)gmail.com>, size=4575, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Feb 26 14:08:54 ip-172-31-18-222 postfix/smtpd[5933]: disconnect from mail-pj1-f50.google.com[209.85.216.50] Feb 26 14:08:54 ip-172-31-18-222 postfix/lmtp[5967]: E144B8BC3C5: to=<matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm+d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu>, relay=172.19.199.2[172.19.199.2]:8024, delay=0.08, delays=0.05/0.01/0/0.01, dsn=5.1.3, status=bounced (host 172.19.199.2[172.19.199.2] said: 553 5.1.3 Error: malformed address (in reply to RCPT TO command)) Feb 26 14:08:54 ip-172-31-18-222 postfix/cleanup[5966]: F0C468BC3C6: message-id=<20210226220854.F0C468BC3C6(a)ip-172-31-18-222.us-west-2.compute.internal> Feb 26 14:08:54 ip-172-31-18-222 postfix/qmgr[3214]: F0C468BC3C6: from=<>, size=6993, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Feb 26 14:08:54 ip-172-31-18-222 postfix/bounce[5968]: E144B8BC3C5: sender non-delivery notification: F0C468BC3C6 Feb 26 14:08:54 ip-172-31-18-222 postfix/qmgr[3214]: E144B8BC3C5: removed The mailman smtp.log show that the message came in but not much else. the mailman.log (and bounce.log) don’t show anything for that time. Feb 26 22:08:54 2021 (27) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin) Feb 26 22:08:54 2021 (27) Peer: ('172.19.199.1', 51934) Feb 26 22:08:54 2021 (27) ('172.19.199.1', 51934) handling connection Feb 26 22:08:54 2021 (27) ('172.19.199.1', 51934) >> b'LHLO ip-172-31-18-222.us-west-2.compute.internal' Feb 26 22:08:54 2021 (27) ('172.19.199.1', 51934) >> b'MAIL FROM:<stephen.s.w.matsmats(a)gmail.com> SIZE=4575' Feb 26 22:08:54 2021 (27) ('172.19.199.1', 51934) sender: stephen.s.w.matsmats(a)gmail.com Feb 26 22:08:54 2021 (27) ('172.19.199.1', 51934) >> b'RCPT TO:<matsmats-mm3-test1-confirm+d6f77a2572ef55a8b2c4ca0d77de8493fbb55856(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu>' Feb 26 22:08:54 2021 (27) ('172.19.199.1', 51934) >> b'RSET' Feb 26 22:08:54 2021 (27) ('172.19.199.1', 51934) >> b'QUIT' Feb 26 22:08:54 2021 (27) ('172.19.199.1', 51934) connection lost Feb 26 22:08:54 2021 (27) ('172.19.199.1', 51934) Connection lost during _handle_client() I’ve also reproduced this another address that is on an exchange server which is maybe a more vanilla example. steve > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: How to store additional information about lists?

by Andreas Barth

* Stephen J. Turnbull (turnbull.stephen.fw(a)u.tsukuba.ac.jp) [210526 17:24]: > Mark Sapiro writes: > > > As far as I know, none of this has ever been migrated to Mailman 3. > > It has been migrated to Mailman 3, there were at least two related > GSoC projects, and the repo was on GitHub, but it's not at the same > URL now. Not sure if they've stopped using it, I haven't mentored > there for four or five years. Let me look around. https://github.com/systers/systers.github.io/wiki/Features-for-Mailman-3 seems to be existing but some links broken. https://github.com/khushboo9293/mailman/tree/Feature-CountUnsubscribers is a clone, the original code being moved or removed. However, looking through I don't see so many additions, especially not a membership adapter. I can't find the result of GSoC 2018 which should have worked on the membership adapter. That's so far as I can find. Andi

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Rafael Mora

Clever idea Abhilash! Thanks El mié., 2 ago. 2017 a las 11:50, Abhilash Raj (<raj.abhilash1(a)gmail.com>) escribió: > When you set DEBUG=False, Django doesn't serve static files because of > which you see only text and no styles. > > > http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/pre-installation-guide.html#django-stati… > > If you do set DEBUG=False, you need to serve the static pages somehow. > > Alternatively in you case, you can remove the part of the `settings.py` > which changes the Emailbackend when `DEBUG=False` so that you don't have > to worry about serving static files and still send out emails. > > On Wed, Aug 2, 2017, at 09:46 AM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > For testing purpose I turned back to false the DEBUG var and everything > > started working fine with HyperKitty > > > > I don't understand... this is the trace when I click Login from Postorius > > to HyperKitty > > > > [02/Aug/2017 16:43:42] "GET /postorius/lists/ HTTP/1.1" 200 3645 > > [02/Aug/2017 16:43:48] "GET /accounts/login/?next=/postorius/lists/ > > HTTP/1.1" 200 10950 > > [02/Aug/2017 16:43:49] "GET /static/CACHE/css/hyperkitty.2f591b4e31fe.css > > HTTP/1.1" 200 156657 > > > > > > What should I check? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > El mié., 2 ago. 2017 a las 10:56, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) > > escribió: > > > > > On 08/02/2017 07:55 AM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > > > HyperKitty is looking for some files in /static/CACHE/... but it > doesn't > > > > find them: > > > > > > > > [02/Aug/2017 14:53:38] "GET /static/CACHE/css/b3547a2ab51b.css > HTTP/1.1" > > > > 404 107 > > > > [02/Aug/2017 14:53:38] "GET /static/CACHE/css/4c17bb8058aa.css > HTTP/1.1" > > > > 404 107 > > > > [02/Aug/2017 14:53:38] "GET /static/CACHE/css/2fa1cba00450.css > HTTP/1.1" > > > > 404 107 > > > > [02/Aug/2017 14:53:38] "GET /static/CACHE/js/4ce1260ef558.js > HTTP/1.1" > > > 404 > > > > 105 > > > > [02/Aug/2017 14:53:39] "GET /static/CACHE/js/4ce1260ef558.js > HTTP/1.1" > > > 404 > > > > 105 > > > > > > > > > > > > Should I run any command to activate the CACHE dir? > > > > > > > > > You need to ensure you have a working sass compiler. As I said at > > > < > > > > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > > >, > > > See the third bullet under > > > <http://docs.list.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html#dependencies>. > > > > > > Then you need to run commands like > > > > > > django-admin collectstatic --clear > > > django-admin compress > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > > > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Mailman-users mailing list > > > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > > > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > > > > -- > > > > Atentamente / Best Regards > > > > Ing. Rafael Mora > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailman-users mailing list > > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > > -- > thanks, > Abhilash Raj > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

7 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: set a new default for max_message_size

by Abhilash Raj

> On Apr 22, 2022, at 13:09, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 4/22/22 12:28, Paul Paulchen wrote: >> According to the answer of Mark you can change the "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/styles/base.py" - mlist.max_message_size. >> Now time went by, is there a possibility to use the mailman.cfg to set a new default? > > > No. It still is not configurable except by patching or creating a new style, see https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/styles/doc… It is however possible to create new Styles using Mailman plugins, without having to patch Mailman. We have an example style that demonstrates how to do that: https://gitlab.com/mailman/example-mailman-plugin/-/blob/master/example_mai… The repo’s README has more details on how to create and install the plugin. There is more documentation about plugins in Mailman Core’s docs: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/plugins/do… -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius not HTML-decoding < to "<" characters

by Ron / BCLUG

Mark Sapiro wrote on 2024-11-09 13:05: > This is a HyperKitty issue. Ah, I see, I thought it'd be on the display process. Does that mean the DB has data with mismatched tags in it? If so, will that require a query to fix? Interestingly, the quoted part of my message has < where my message has proper less-than and greater-than for the Apache tags. https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… It's inconsistent with the archive rendering mode at lists.mailman3.org. I haven't currently got an instance that I can test on but will keep this in mind when the time comes to migrate. Should the rendering at lists.mailman3.org get modified, please share the procedure. Testing: less-than and greater-than around a tag: <Location /mailman/accounts/signup> Testing: less-than and greater-than around a tag in a quoted block: > <Location /mailman/accounts/signup>

5 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Announce Only List

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 8/13/20 9:49 AM, joseverde(a)gmail.com wrote: > > So if we want to make a list announce only (e.g. only specific > > folks) can post, I've found I can set the list settings to > > automatically discard messages from members and non-members. Then > > I go into the individual permissions on each user to be allowed > > to post without moderation. This works fine, however it seems > > cumbersome. Don't we have a list style for announce lists? If we don't, we should.... I don't see what's "cumbersome" about the individual permissions. You need to do *something* per allowed user, if only sending email to their individual addresses to tell them the password in the anternate method: > There is an alternative. Set a moderator_password for the list. Then > anyone can successfully post with an `Approved: <password>` header or > pseudo header if they know the password. Steve

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: [RESOLVED] REST API authorization failed

by Axel Rau

> Am 10.01.2022 um 19:30 schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > > On 1/10/22 1:58 AM, Axel Rau wrote: >> Is something wrong with my installed python packages? > > > The relevant code is at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.p… > > Does that match yours? I suspected the cryptography package for which I did a fake install, because there is no wheel for my platform and I could not build it. After an odyssey with strange cert errors while building the rust tool chain from their website, I finally managed to install it and could build the wheels for 36.0.1 and created the complete installation in a dedicated jail with ansible. Authentication now works and the website shows 'There are currently no mailing lists.‘ (-: After all these delays, I have only one day left to import 2 lists and to get them up. Thanks for all your help, Axel --- PGP-Key: CDE74120 ☀ computing @ chaos claudius

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: All addresses in a bounced list posting seem to be considered as bouncing

by Andy Smith

Hello, On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 08:53:38PM +0000, Andy Smith wrote: > On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 01:16:10PM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > I suspect this is https://gitlab.com/warsaw/flufl.bounce/-/issues/12 which > > was fixed in flufl.bounce 4.0 and upgrading to 4.0 will fix this. > > So that probably answers that then. Hmm, I wonder about the best way > to proceed. The next stable release of Debian will have something > that calls itself 4.0-2 and looks like it is fixed there: > > https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/packages/flufl.bounce/-/blob/master/fl… It seems that this package version can be downloaded and installed in Debian stable (bullseye): https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/all/python3-flufl.bounce/download It isn't recommended to mix packages from different releases of course, but the changes seem quite minimal and it fixes the problem for me. Cheers, Andy

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification

by Onyeibo Oku

> On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 09:46:00 -0800 > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > This is all configured in your web server. It needs to proxy requests > for lists.website.tld to gunicorn and depending on the web server, > may need more. E.g. see > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#nginx-configura… > for nginx. I have fixed this. > > Set SITE_ID = 0 in your Django settings. Also see > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > Actually "SITE_ID = 1" solved that instead. I also had to go into the database and update the values (django provided 'example.com' by default and that was problematic). Yaaay! The mailing-list is up and running. I am super grateful to the mailman support here in this list. Thank you so much Mark, Stephen J, and Eggert. I have more questions but I think it is better to start a new thread for that. Best regards Onyeibo

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: new list not working

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/10/23 09:03, Christian via Mailman-users wrote: > > Again, that's only the post being delivered to Mailman. What comes after > that in the log? > > Mar 10 08:39:28 2023 (1005) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) > PLAIN(builtin) Mar 10 08:39:28 2023 (1005) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 55662) Mar 10 > 08:39:28 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 55662) handling connection Mar 10 > 08:39:28 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 55662) >> b'LHLO > zarathustra.ccalternatives.org' > Mar 10 08:39:28 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 55662) >> b'MAIL > FROM:<christian(a)naturalintelligence.us> SIZE=3498' > Mar 10 08:39:28 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 55662) sender: > christian(a)naturalintelligence.us Mar 10 08:39:28 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', > 55662) >> b'RCPT TO:<redlatinleg(a)lists.ccalternatives.org>' > Mar 10 08:39:28 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 55662) recip: > redlatinleg(a)lists.ccalternatives.org > Mar 10 08:39:28 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 55662) >> b'DATA' > Mar 10 08:39:28 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 55662) >> b'QUIT' > Mar 10 08:39:28 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 55662) connection lost Mar 10 > 08:39:28 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 55662) Connection lost during > _handle_client() Mar 10 08:44:05 2023 (1005) Available AUTH mechanisms: > LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin) Mar 10 08:44:05 2023 (1005) Peer: > ('127.0.0.1', 54800) Mar 10 08:44:05 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 54800) > handling connection Mar 10 08:44:05 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 54800) >> > b'LHLO zarathustra.ccalternatives.org' > Mar 10 08:44:05 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 54800) >> b'MAIL FROM:<> > SIZE=1139191' > Mar 10 08:44:05 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 54800) sender: <> Mar 10 08:44:05 > 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 54800) >> b'RCPT > TO:<medialist-bounces+kkeys=courier-tribune.com(a)lists.ccalternatives.org>' > Mar 10 08:44:05 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 54800) recip: > medialist-bounces+kkeys=courier-tribune.com(a)lists.ccalternatives.org > Mar 10 08:44:05 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 54800) >> b'DATA' > Mar 10 08:44:05 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 54800) >> b'QUIT' > Mar 10 08:44:05 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 54800) connection lost Mar 10 > 08:44:05 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 54800) Connection lost during > _handle_client() Mar 10 08:45:15 2023 (1005) Available AUTH mechanisms: > LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin) Mar 10 08:45:15 2023 (1005) Peer: > ('127.0.0.1', 38820) Mar 10 08:45:15 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 38820) > handling connection Mar 10 08:45:15 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 38820) >> > b'LHLO zarathustra.ccalternatives.org' > Mar 10 08:45:15 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 38820) >> b'MAIL FROM:<> > SIZE=1155595' > Mar 10 08:45:15 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 38820) sender: <> Mar 10 08:45:15 > 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 38820) >> b'RCPT > TO:<medialist-bounces+john.harbin=blueridgenow.com(a)lists.ccalternatives.org> > ' > Mar 10 08:45:15 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 38820) recip: > medialist-bounces+john.harbin=blueridgenow.com(a)lists.ccalternatives.org > Mar 10 08:45:15 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 38820) >> b'DATA' > Mar 10 08:45:15 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 38820) >> b'QUIT' > Mar 10 08:45:15 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 38820) connection lost Mar 10 > 08:45:15 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 38820) Connection lost during > _handle_client() There are no messages from the out runner process. it isn't running or it's hung. > And have you checked if Mailman's out runner is running? Note that if it > died for some reason and wasn't restarted or used up its restarts, > restarting Mailman core won't start it. You need to stop Mailman core and > then start it. > > OK I DID THAT Did the mail start flowing? > Are there files in mailman's var/queue/out/ or var/queue/shunt/ directories? > > root@zarathustra:/opt/mailman/mm/var# ls -la queue/out total 4416 > drwxrwx--- 2 mailman mailman 4096 Mar 10 04:44 . > drwxr-xr-x 14 mailman mailman 4096 Mar 8 12:07 .. > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 1126829 Mar 10 04:39 > 1678316345.5510073+678e72d483278a233b12cc38ebc3786fbfd50a44.bak > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 1083682 Mar 8 20:00 > 1678334445.1113052+b43224b03f1ba2aa2610301331195b0cbaa151b7.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 1083744 Mar 8 20:00 > 1678334445.1324928+10c5ec711b7a4364407685b7899a9e8ea25a1a8b.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 1083680 Mar 8 20:00 > 1678334445.1501603+f2d2895ae7fa80ad387df77ffa17361294fe781c.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 2922 Mar 9 07:49 > 1678376944.9032273+9923c3da8724cff6ff71b585d1971a90a0ae65cb.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 2862 Mar 9 07:49 > 1678376944.9125621+2635b96fc6cd2ebb98a2c60a269d07517c1f5046.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 2886 Mar 9 07:57 > 1678377458.4585488+73f68f6f05d6ee64020e05c8ba2569378e4238f0.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 6600 Mar 9 07:59 > 1678377564.335885+63793d373c7668947ce4ef2c4a89644ba288d775.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 8290 Mar 9 08:25 > 1678379122.8619912+bfba87ac1c5e97473ea9c9645a99719d11179308.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 5966 Mar 9 08:48 > 1678380525.743866+d6f70271750015293a249f9ffae8200367eee509.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 6124 Mar 9 13:01 > 1678395691.1910245+9e087862cd317d77af8586d5390d60d483af8123.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 2789 Mar 9 13:31 > 1678397516.4386168+14bb385ad36166aef4a23e1d2b9dd92b50af254d.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 2752 Mar 9 13:31 > 1678397516.4514658+00546161e5310c988ca3b4d0be4c4a96d3295969.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 2321 Mar 9 13:58 > 1678399097.1614358+b7b3bfa9cdef9ada94045eed945862664aff065e.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 2390 Mar 9 13:58 > 1678399097.172284+7188ab4729863b3781c0890ec3b1be7de642454a.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 6031 Mar 9 14:07 > 1678399672.4968731+2caeb7c82672c9051be407b1cdb7a8b21a87d348.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 2095 Mar 9 14:08 > 1678399689.8167183+199b2da6cd1f8a00d10c1cd79ccc6cbcb4bdd503.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 7179 Mar 9 14:08 > 1678399689.8327854+a8d1dc73e5979bde43dccf48caa9bc58de575f41.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 8357 Mar 9 14:19 > 1678400356.5360696+62b6dce2428e420d6cb53c337c61db69a6fe4d44.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 5939 Mar 9 14:28 > 1678400903.3894706+d3f5dad6c67057edd0f2888e193dd71de14d2bf9.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 2096 Mar 10 04:43 > 1678452191.4875023+2e00a89aa5454f965d35a7b8be6a4f620944b8a1.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 7181 Mar 10 04:43 > 1678452191.4984088+1fd6f3aff9ef79aff269f4edc920f2424a8b35b7.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 6036 Mar 10 04:44 > 1678452252.847286+552f758b7fca32c2f082bd922f68de1f850dec2d.pck Was this before or after you stopped and started Mailman core. If before, what is the situation now? Is mail being delivered? If after, is there still a 1678316345.5510073+678e72d483278a233b12cc38ebc3786fbfd50a44.bak file in que/out? If this file is still there, it is hanging the out runner. Stop Mailman, move this file aside and start Mailman and see if the rest of the messages are processed. If that fixes it, there is something in that one message causing this. You can examine it with `mailman qfile`. That message arrived at Wed Mar 8 14:59:05 2023 (1678316345.5510073 is a time stamp) and is apparently causing the problem. If moving it aside fixes things, you can send it to me off list and I will try to figure out what the issue is. > root@zarathustra:/opt/mailman/mm/var# ls -la queue/shunt total 12 > drwxrwx--- 2 mailman mailman 4096 Mar 8 12:07 . > drwxr-xr-x 14 mailman mailman 4096 Mar 8 12:07 .. > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 447 Apr 26 2021 > 1619433583.1513886+2626ca223f3fc4368f6cf90fecc1e0e50705c36a.pck This is an old shunted message. The exception that caused it and a traceback were written to mailman.log on April 26 2021. If you still have that log, the exception and traceback will show what happened. In any case, `mailman qfile queue/shunt/1619433583.1513886+2626ca223f3fc4368f6cf90fecc1e0e50705c36a.pck` will show the msg and its metadata. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Getting connection timed out

by Stephen J. Turnbull

blackout69 writes: > Il 23/05/21 01:21, Mark Sapiro ha scritto: > > Can you successfully telnet to port 25 on mail.simail.it from the > > Mailman server? > No > > If you can connect (via telnet) to port 25 on mail.simail.it from the > > Mailman server, then I'd suggest stopping and restarting Postfix. > > if i try from the mail server i get > > telnet mail.simail.it 25 > Trying 217.27.113.30... > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out mail.simail.it is ignoring your mail server. This is not a Mailman problem. 1. Check to see if that server has a stated policy for "abusive" mail and some way of getting back in their good graces. 2. Check if your mail server is in the RBLs. Some of them are very aggressive about adding IPs and domains. 3. Try writing the postmaster at mail.simail.it. 4. Ask your subscriber(s) at mail.simail.it to write their postmaster. Steve

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: File in /var/lib/mailman3/queue/bounces/

by Andreas Barth

* Mark Sapiro (mark(a)msapiro.net) [211212 05:41]: > On 12/11/21 6:29 PM, Andreas Barth wrote: > > > >in my local installation there is a file in > >/var/lib/mailman3/queue/bounces/ since a couple of days. Any hint how > >to get rid of it? 'mailman unshunt' doesn't do it, but also, it's in > >queue/bounces and now queue/shunt. > > > I suspect the issue is that bounce runner is not running. If you > grep Mailman's mailman.log for `bounces` I suspect you will see that > it has died and not restarted. You may or may not find additional > information in the log as to why it died, but in any case restarting > Mailman should start everything again. Thanks for your answer. Actually I didn't find anything in the log, but according to ps the bounce runner is actually not running. A restart of mailman fixed the issue for me. Andi

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Error -- postorius Un-handled exception

by Ron / BCLUG

Mark Sapiro wrote on 2024-04-10 14:09: > I suspect you are not starting the services with your venv active. > What's in your mailman3.service and mailman3-web.service files? Thanks for the pointer! I had my mailman3-web.service starting `mailman-web` instead of `uwsgi` somehow. I changed that to match the docs, did the `systemctl daemon-reload`, etc. but still had similar problems. I went through all my config files carefully, I wiped the static folder completely and rebuilt it, and I finally have the last piece of the puzzle in place and my web interface is working! I'm not sure which change actually fixed the issue though. (When looking at "Available lists" my header has "example.com" in the top-left corner?!?) Thank you! I think I need to backup what I have and do a clean re-install so I have a better grasp of what's going on with all these components. Mailman3 looks quite nice, gotta say! rb

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: New domain cannot set set host

by Alain D D Williams

On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 12:42:41PM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/27/24 12:18 PM, Alain D D Williams wrote: > > > > But it is not in table mailman3web.django_site > > > > Please how do I do this ? > > Add the domain as a site in the Django web admin UI. I did not see this y/day and created the entry in table django_site using SQL. This might be the cause of the other problems that we have been talking about. I must admit to finding django daunting -- something that I know nothing about; I ran "mailman-web --help" and was non the wiser. I found the following which did not help either: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/django-primer.html -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

4 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Clean-up of non-members

by Odhiambo Washington

On Thu, Dec 26, 2024 at 1:27 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On December 25, 2024 2:01:27 PM PST, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users > <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > > members --role nonmember LISTSPEC | wc -l > > 13 > > What do you get if you do > ``` > mailman shell -l LISTSPEC > ... > >>> len(list(m.nonmembers.members)) > (venv) mailman@eu:~$ mailman shell -l LISTSPEC Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. The variable 'm' is the LISTSPEC mailing list In [1]: len(list(m.nonmembers.members)) Out[1]: 873 In [2]: -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

3 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Help with fresh debian install

by Jonas Meurer

Mark Sapiro: > On 10/3/19 5:17 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: >> I am trying to import a list with no archives to keep it simple while I prove out the process. If I run the mailman import21 comment as my user, I get the following errors: >> >> — >> mark@mail:/tmp$ mailman import21 announce(a)pdc-racing.net ./announce-config.pck >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> [...] >> PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/log/mailman3/mailman.log' > > > This is the issue. I don't know how the Debian packages do this, but I > recommend having a 'mailman' user that owns everything and running > commands as that user. The Debian package uses user `list` for this. It also provides a command `mailman-wrapper` which takes care of running mailman commands as this user. It would be awesome if the upstream /usr/bin/mailman command could take care of this automatically, making the wrapper command obsolete. Cheers jonas

5 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cron of Mailman notify is not working

by Shashikanth Komandoor

Thank you Mark Sapiro. I have tried as per your suggestion but failed unfortunately might be because of my improper setup. But I learnt one thing and fixed it and would like to share with you so that you may correct me if I am wrong or it would be useful for others. I observed that the "notify" subcommand can be run only while I am in the /var/lib/mailman/mailman directory where my mailman core is installed (through GITHUB). And moreover I installed all the components of the mailman using the root user only and so there is no mailman user on my machine. And hence I wrote the below entry in the crontab directly and found it is working fine. 00 08 * * * cd /var/lib/mailman/mailman; /var/lib/mailman/venv3/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/venv3/bin/mailman notify Please correct me if my analysis is wrong or please also suggest me if I could work it out in a more optimal manner.

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius confirmation mails shown in uwsgi-error.log but not sent

by Ralph Seichter

* Mark Sapiro: >> $ grep ^EMAIL settings.py >> EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' >> EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost' >> EMAIL_PORT = 25 > > but is this perhaps overridden in a settings_local.py file? I don't have a local settings file. I cloned the suite from GitLab[1] master branch and modified the existing settings.py, based on Mailman's documentation. [1] https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite.git I just verified that EMAIL_BACKEND is not redefined anywhere: $ grep -r 'mail\.backends' . Binary file ./__pycache__/settings.cpython-38.pyc matches ./settings.py:EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' ./settings.py:# EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.filebased.EmailBackend' I commented out the "if DEBUG == True" lines, which explains match number three. As far as I can see, the mail backed definition for Django is as it should be. I could provide the differences between my settings.py and the Git HEAD version if you think that might help. -Ralph

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: Rebuilding a list index fails

by Mark Dadgar

On Feb 17, 2021, at 9:58 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 2/16/21 9:59 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: >> Now that I’ve got my instance back up and running on the latest released code, I am trying to rebuild a list index. I am using Xapian via haystack, which worked beautifully before my recent list meltdown. >> >> Error messages below. >> >> rebuild_index fails with the same error. >> >> This is with django version 3.0.12. > > > django.utils.six was removed in Django 3.0. See > <https://pypi.org/project/django-utils-six/> for a work around > replacement. I.e. in your venv do > > pip install django-utils-six OK, that got me a step further. Then I needed to do a “pip install xapian-bindings” and now I am up and running. I really appreciate the support of this community in general and you in particular, Mark. Thank you. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: CSV import for mass subscription

by Odhiambo Washington

On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 7:43 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 9/20/24 01:26, Markus Grandpré wrote: > > Dear list, > > > > we noticed that there is a function to convert the member list into a > > CSV format and save it.Therefore, we would like to know if the > > implementation of a CVS import for mass subscription is already planned? > > If not, how can we submit a corresponding feature request? > > The exported CSV is just a list of email addresses, and that could be > easily just pasted into the mass subscription form. > Why was it called a CSV? Appropriateness or future plans to download a true CSV? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Post log?

by Mark Dadgar

On May 5, 2020, at 7:06 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 5/5/20 5:28 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: >> Is there the equivalent of the post log from mailman 2.x available? > > It's not a separate log as it was in Mailman 2.1, but the information is > in the smtp log. For example, here are a couple of entries relating to > your post to which I'm replying: > > May 06 00:29:15 2020 (27320) > <F0E6ABE3-C0DD-47D9-A527-1BAB77BD84C2(a)pdc-racing.net> smtp to > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org for 238 recips, completed in > 39.014487743377686 seconds > May 06 00:29:15 2020 (27320) > <F0E6ABE3-C0DD-47D9-A527-1BAB77BD84C2(a)pdc-racing.net> post to > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org from mark(a)pdc-racing.net, 4429 bytes Ahh. I saw a ton of entries of the first type but missed the entries of the second type (it was a big file), which were the ones I needed. Thanks for the pointer. The script is up and running nicely now. - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: User settings triggers error

by Mark Dadgar

On Jun 18, 2020, at 3:27 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 6/18/20 2:23 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: >> >> There is definitely something sketchy going on here. As an admin, I am not getting accurate subscription status about people on a list. For example, I search for a list member, find their listing, check the box and click Unsubscribe Selected, and get an error because it turns out that they had already unsubscribed themselves previously. But Postorius thought they were still subscribed. >> > ... >> Could this somehow be related to my recent migration from sqlite3 to postgres? > > I think it's quite likely that that migration is involved and your > database is now corrupted in some way. Exactly how or in what way, I > don't know, but it seems likely to me that that's the issue. Oh good. Any thoughts on how to salvage ~20 years of list archives? - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: MTA authentication and smtpd_sender_login_maps

by Jan Eden

On 2022-11-25 11:44, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/25/22 11:00, Jan Eden via Mailman-users wrote: > > > > I obviously do not want to add an entry to the map file for each mailing > > list created by someone on the server. Is there a way to > > programmatically create a sender login map with Mailman? > > > You could modify mailman/src/mailman/mta/postfix.py to create a > smtpd_sender_login_maps file with the desired content or you could create a > script that creates the file using data in the generated > var/data/postfix_lmtp. If the latter, you might be able to create a plugin <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/plugins/do…> > to run the script whenever a list is created or deleted Thanks! I feel rather stupid, but the obvious and really simple solution is a wildcard entry for the SASL user in controlled_envelope_senders: @lists.domain.org mailman_sender(a)domain.org Sorry for realizing this *after* bothering you. - Jan

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: To have mailman3 start at boot, trying to configure the systemd mailman3.service unit, but having issues

by Ron

On 2024-06-08 14:48, Mark Sapiro wrote: > The "PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//var/templates'" > is what it says. It is trying to create the absolute path /var/templates > and user mailman3 doesn't have permission to create a templates/ > directory in /var. > > I'm not sure why this is. It should be trying > /opt/mailman3/mm/var/templates. What does I experienced the fun of having /var being where mailman3 tried to create files & folders. Some combo of the following worked for me: mailman3.service Environment="MAILMAN_CONFIG_FILE=/etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg" /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg [paths.here] var_dir: /opt/mailman/mm/var I explicitly set many / most of the other vars in that section too (i.e. lock_dir was one that also caused issues). This might be the Wrong Way, but it solved issues similar to the ones being discussed. rb

10 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Subscription requires confirmation when list is set as Open

by Joachim Schrod

Mark Sapiro writes: > > It is not the subscription that requires confirmation. It is the user's > email address. Even though the list's subscribe policy is open, a > previously unknown email address has to be confirmed. I assume that's the verification that one can turn off in Postorious `Mass Suscription' with the checkbox "Pre Verified". I maintain a mailing list for a private holiday where people don't subscribe themselves; I subscribe them. I have vetted their email address beforehand. (The subscribers are mostly not able to handle a verification email, nor any email-based workflow at all.) Is there a configuration option for a mailing list that sets "Pre Verified" to true as a default? I checked the options of "mailman conf" and "mailman-web help" (the latter seems to be Postorious' manage.py on my Debian system), but to no avail. Cheers, Joachim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Joachim Schrod <joachim(a)schrod.org>

4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Subscription issue with ghost confirmations

by Brian Carpenter

Hi Mark, This has occurred again. A person sends an email to listname-subscribe@listdomain and the subscription policy of said list is set to moderate only. Instead of honoring this, a confirmation email is sent out. Now the email address that made this request does not show up at all in any of my logs. There is no record of them making a previous subscription attempt before the subscription policy was changed to moderate. Here are some observations: 1. The two occurrences of this happening was to Gmail users. 2. The two occurrences of this happening was when an email is being sent to the listname-subscribe@listdomain address. 3. This is only happening on 1 list. This may have no bearing on the issue but the list address of this problematic list is ******-owners@listdomain. I know there is an alias created for each list that is listname-owner@listdomain. Just throwing that out there. <princess-leia-voice>Help me Obi-Wan Sapiro. You are my only hope.</princess-leia-voice>

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Outgoing messages fro Mailman fails DMARC

by Henrik Rasmussen

> On 04/10/2018 06:53 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. Mailman's (both 2 and 3) > DMARC mitigations allow modifying the outgoing message in some or all > cases so the From: domain is the list's domain so the message won't be > dealt with by the recipient MTA according to the original From: domain's > DMARC policy. > > See <https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC>;. Also, > <https://wiki.list.org/x/17891458> may be of interest. Thanks you for the links. According to https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC the MM3 list setting "DMARC mitigation action" (which actually say "Replace From: with list address" in Postorius) should change the From: header. This doesn't seem to work if I don't also set "DMARC Mitigate unconditionally" to Yes, but does if I do. Where do I change defaults for all lists, instead of a per list change in settings/dmarc_mitigations ? Henrik Rasmussen

7 years

[MM3-users] Re: How to hide sender completely

by Odhiambo Washington

On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 2:08 PM Roland Miyamoto via Mailman-users < mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > Thanks, Mark, > > On 10/05/2023 01:50, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > Both this and all other incoming Received: headers are removed from > > posts to anonymous lists beginning with Mailman 3.3.4. > > X-MailFrom: headers are also removed as of Mailman 3.3.4. > > For clarifying. > > I am currently running > > GNU Mailman 3.2.1 (La Villa Strangiato) > > under Debian buster (10). > Seems I will have to upgrade to Debian bookworm (12) > if I want to stick with the deb package > and want complete anonymity to work. > > Or else dive into the virtualenv, which seems to be recommended option > anyway. > And virtualenv gives you more freedom. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Feature request, hyperkitty, low volume lists

by Alain D D Williams

On Thu, Jan 09, 2025 at 09:06:56AM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 1/9/25 06:07, Alain D D Williams wrote: > > > > For an example see: > > > > https://fridayfolk.phcomp.co.uk/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/announce@fridayfol… > > The above URL and also https://fridayfolk.phcomp.co.uk/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/announce@fridayfol… > and even https://fridayfolk.phcomp.co.uk/mailman3/hyperkitty/ all give a 500 > internal server error response. Sigh - try again. The 500 error happens several times a day. After 5 minutes it behaves as it should ... until it happens again some time later. I have not found out what is happening; nothing obvious in the logs, not high system load. I can live with it for now as I am busy elsewhere. -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

3 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: changing the main template for subscriptions and more

by Andreas Barth

* Mark Sapiro (mark(a)msapiro.net) [210622 14:22]: > It isn't necessary to patch the source in this way. If you put the > modified templates in Mailman's var/templates/site/de/ directory, > ensuring that the Mailman user can read them, they will be used and > you won't have to patch the source every time you upgrade. Thanks Mark for pointing that out. I also should have mentioned that this would be the recommendation for operations, especially if mailman is install by some normal means (pip, distribution packages, etc). I perhaps took it for granted too much to never touch files coming out of automated systems by hand (except where the automated system caters for, e.g. debian conffiles), because that is a sure way to get into trouble with the next upgrade. (My mailman installation is the exception and not the rule, so unless you know what you're doing and have done similar before, just follow Marks advice) Andi

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: AttributeError: ,> 'ReopenableFileHandler' object has no attribute '_stream'

by David Newman

On 11/19/21 10:04 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> but then mailman3 wanted me to create a bunch of directories under >> /etc, even though $var_dir was set to /var/lib/mailman3. Things seem >> to go better, except for the confusion between lists/mailman >> ownership, when I set layout to "debian", which was the default. > > > It seems you may be using the Debian packages as our source has no > `debian` layout. Thank you for spotting that. I'd cloned a test server from a production machine that did have the Debian mailman3 package installed, something I should have checked first. The rest of the installation went OK. I'm using MariaDB and not Postgres, and that required a few deviations from the Virtualenv Installation documentation, but those tweaks things went OK from there. I have a follow-up question about post-installation setup but will start a new thread for that. Thanks again! dn

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: re-sending confirmation mails (was Re: Re: pending subscriptions lost?)

by Andreas Barth

* Mark Sapiro (mark(a)msapiro.net) [220315 23:31]: > I understand that, but even Debian sid has mailman3 3.3.3-1 and > mailman3-web 0+20200530-2 which are quite old for a package like > Mailman 3 which is still in active development. If we speak about unstable, that's something else. However, Debians next stable release won't release with mailman 3.3.3, as this package is removed from testing at the moment. I'd be happy if someone would update this package, however, I don't think I should get myself also involved there. ('Removed from testing' means: the current unstable package is considered not to be in shape to be released with the next stable release). So, if someone wants to get involved into Debian package maintainership with mailman3 (and related packages), that would be great, and I'm happy to support. As said, the most easiest way to get things fixed in Debian is by doing it. Andi

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman web interface / uwsgi

by Jan Eden

On 2022-11-27 07:08, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/27/22 00:19, Jan Eden via Mailman-users wrote: > > > > I see. But the mailman.cfg is placed in /etc/mailman3, and this file > > also belongs to the core, doesn't it? In any case, I changed the > > configuration parameter for [archiver.hyperkitty] as you suggested and > > all settings are in one place now. > > > In that case, it's probably just an oversight. The instructions at > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html are an evolution > of a process that started with an obsolete mailman-bundler package, the > initial iterations of which are documented at > https://wiki.list.org/x/17891998 and prior revisions of that page. > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html is still a work > in progress. Ok – as long as I can consolidate all settings in one place for backup purposes (with symlinks, if need be), any layout is fine. Thank you, Jan

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: RemoteUserBackend for Mailman3?

by Markus Grandpré

Dear Mr Spiro, thank you so much for your reply. On my Debian 11 system I don't find 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora' in my Django settings in </usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/conf/global_settings.py>: # List of strings representing installed apps. INSTALLED_APPS = [] But I find: INSTALLED_APPS = ( ... #'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora', ... ) in </etc/mailman3# less mailman-web.py>. After commenting this line out I restarted the mailman3 application by restarting the apache2 web server. Unfortunately, the Fedora button is still visible on login site of mailman3 and a server error occurs when I click the button. Best regards, Markus On 27.03.23 19:22, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 3/27/23 06:00, Markus Ludwig Grandpré wrote: >> >> Btw. how can I disable and remove the Fedora button from Maliman3's >> login page? > > > remove 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora' from INSTALLED_APPS in your > Django settings. > -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: Cron Error: <mailman@gw> /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin runjobs monthly

by Odhiambo Washington

On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 3:23 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 2/2/23 04:26, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > Okay. This is a bit off from my understanding. > > > > What is the cause and how do I mitigate it? > > The cause is the monthly hyperkitty update_and_clean_index job runs for > a long time, i.e. hours, because it is rebuilding the entire search > index so during the time it's running multiple hourly hyperkitty > update_index jobs are started and they are competing for the same lock. > > See > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/example_project/setting… > for mitigation. What is the danger of replacing my settings.py with this one, seeing as it differs in a number of ways with mine? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Subscription requests = 0 ? Bug or feature?

by Odhiambo Washington

On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 6:59 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 3/24/23 04:15, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > Even though I have a "Pending confirmation" request, the total entries > > under the subscription requests reads zero. > > I thought it should read whatever the total of (pending confirmation + > > pending approval) is. > > It only counts the requests waiting moderator approval because this is > the number requiring moderator action. It doesn't count the requests > waiting user confirmation. The only reason these are even available in > the moderator interface is so the moderator can discard them in cases > where the user has lost the confirmation email and can't confirm and > can't subscribe again because of the pending confirmation. > Thank you for the explanation. The logic is justified. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 postorius cannot retrieve template

by Wolfgang Bock

Hello Mark, I reconstruct the configuration problems regarding the creation of templates in mm3: I installaed mailman3 via the debian bullseye package(s). BTW: My experience is to install it step by step, not as mailman3-full, but as mailman-3, mailman3-doc, mailman3-web and python3-django-mailman3. In my case the full installation did not run clean, the step-by-step variant run clean. The debian bullseye variant comes with a nginx conf-file in /etc/mailman3/nginx.conf ... # This nginx config file is part of the mailman3-web package. # # This nginx configuration file is a vhost configuration. ... # Nginx SSL snippet. To enable it, please uncomment and update the server_name and the ... server { listen 443; listen [::]:443; server_name mailman.example.com; server_tokens off; # # ## Strong SSL Security # ## https://raymii.org/s/tutorials/Strong_SSL_Security_On_nginx.html & https://cipherli.st/ ssl on; ssl_certificate /etc/letsencrypt/live/mailman.example.com/fullchain.pem; ssl_certificate_key /etc/letsencrypt/live/mailman.example.com/privkey.pem; # ... The configuration "ssl on" is outdated as nginx -t comments. The actual configuration should be: /etc/nginx/ /etc/nginx/sites-available/nginx.lists.mydomain.ssl (and /sites-enabled) .... server { listen 443 ssl http2; listen [::]:443 ssl http2; server_name lists.mydomain.com; # for example server_tokens off; ssl_certificate /etc/letsencrypt/live/mydomain.com/fullchain.pem; ssl_certificate_key /etc/letsencrypt/live/mydomain.com/privkey.pem; ... If you - as proposed in the mailman3 nginx.conf - include in nginx.lists.mydomain.ssl the following: .... upstream mailman3 { server unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock fail_timeout=0; } .... you cannot in include this in another vhost-nginx configuration (for example): /etc/nginx/sites-available/nginx.lists.mydomain_2.ssl as nginx -t says something like "no double entries please". So I put this in another file like /etc/nginx/sites-available/nginx.00.mailman3.upstream (and via symlink in .../enabled/...) and both nginx-domain-files work. The debian bullseye also serves a file mailman-web.py with an entry ... POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://localhost/mailman3/' ... As mentioned in a mail before that could not work: 1. letsencrypt doesnt serve an entry match for localhost. That floods your syslog. 2. "localhost" doesnt match with the nginx.conf-proposal. It must be something like /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py .... POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'lists.mydomain.com/' .... In this combination the creating of templates on the postorius website works. My conclusion: I ask you to consider these experiences in an update for the mailman3 packages in debian bullseye. It would save time, questions and nerves. Regards Wolfgang -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. November 2021 23:44 An: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Betreff: [MM3-users] Re: mailman3 postorius cannot retrieve template On 11/2/21 3:28 PM, Wolfgang Bock via Mailman-users wrote: > > I get an db-entry in the mailman3 table template which doesnt lead to > a suitable link: > https://localhost/postorius/api/templates/list/testliste01.mydomain.de/list: > member:regular:footer > > In the next stept it leads to a flood of entries in my syslog because > django is asking for a certificate match for "localhost": > Nov 2 11:47:49 myserver mailman3[175334]: Nov 02 11:47:49 2021 > (175334) Certificate did not match expected hostname: localhost. Certificate: ... > > Letsencrypt cannot deliver this match for "localhost", it is > impossible to configurate letsencrypt to do so. > > The running script must create a postgres INSERT database command > which includes the correct domain-name including the correct path > .../mailman3/api/templates .... and not ... postorius/api/.... > > I dont know, where is the place to correct this. > - in mailman-web.py ?? > ... > ALLOWED_HOSTS ... '*' > or > MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = 'http://localhost:8001' > or > POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://localhost/mailman3/' If you normally access Postorius on your site at something like https://www.example.com/postorius, than set that as POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: search this list searches more then just this list

by Marco van Tol

Yes, thank you! I’ll have a look into changing our backend to Xapian. Hopefully it will be trivial :) Marco van Tol > Op 16 jan 2024, om 09:20 heeft Stephen J. Turnbull <turnbull.stephen.fw(a)u.tsukuba.ac.jp> het volgende geschreven: > > Mark Sapiro writes: > >> I have tested and I can confirm that with two lists in the same >> domain named `test` and `x-test` and with Whoosh as the backend >> searching the `test` list returns hits from both lists, but with >> Xapian as the backend, only hits from the `test` list are returned. > > Wow! Thanks, Mark! > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to mvantol(a)ripe.net >

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Sign and encrypt e-mail responses

by Markus Grandpre

Dear Mark, thank you very much for your response. Is there already a way to enable signing in Mailman v3.3.8 / v3.1 or does the signing support still have to be implemented? Best regards, Markus Grandpré Am 6/3/24 um 18:51 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 6/2/24 11:51 PM, Markus Grandpré wrote: >> Dear List, >> >> is it possible to sign and encrypt all e-mail responses from the Mailman3 server with a digital certificate? > > > Not without significant code changes. Signing alone should not be difficult. Encryption is more difficult if the > recipients are going to be able to read the encrypted mail without access to the server's private key. This would > require mail to be personalized, which digests currently aren't, and encrypted with the recipient's public key which > requires the server to have all those keys. > -- Markus Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

10 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Pd CRON mailman gatenews

by Pierre Malard

Hi Mark, Thanks for your answer and your lead > Le 16 mars 2023 à 18:34, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> a écrit : > > On 3/15/23 23:31, Pierre Malard via Mailman-users wrote: > >> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 502, in _read >> with open(self._lockfile) as fp: >> PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/locks/dbcreate.lck' >> —————————————————————————————————————————————————— >> CRON content: >> —————————————————————————————————————————————————— > ... >> # Every 15 minutes, gate messages from usenet to those lists which have the gateway configured >> */15 * * * * list if [ -x /usr/bin/mailman ]; then /usr/bin/mailman gatenews; fi > > Do you have any list's for which Gateway to mail is set to yes or for which there is a Linked Newsgroup?. If not, running gatenews is superfluous. No, we don’t have > >> I thought, given the last line, a problem of rights. It is not the case ! The directory and the files contained in /var/lib/mailman3/locks belong to the user "list". >> When I run "/usr/bin/mailman gatenews" by hand everything is correct. > > Can you do `sudo -u list cat /var/lib/mailman3/locks/dbcreate.lck`. If that succeeds, this may be a SELinux or other security manager issue. Their is no file with this name! listesman:~# ls -ld /var/lib/mailman3/locks/dbcreate.lck ls: impossible d'accéder à '/var/lib/mailman3/locks/dbcreate.lck': Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type > > >> The questions I have are these: >> We have 8000 files "dbcreate.lck..." in the directory "/var/lib/mailman3/locks". >> What are they for? >> Can we delete them? > > They are probably all orphaned lock files due the the gatenews failure. To be certain that none are current you could stop Mailman core. Then with Mailman core stopped, any files in /var/lib/mailman3/locks are orphaned and should be removed. Ok, is done. We will see today if it continues > >> We have 2 files "master.lck..." dated from the day after tomorrow ! >> What is this date? >> Aren't these files the problem? > > > Those files are normal. They are the master lock that prevents Mailman core from being started when it's already running. The future date is the way flufl.lock handles lock lifetimes. Locks when set have a lifetime, after which they can be broken. This is implemented in flufl.lock by setting the file's date that far into the future. Ok, that’s smart :-) > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to plm(a)teledetection.fr -- Pierre Malard Responsable architectures système CDS DINAMIS/THEIA Montpellier IRD - UMR Espace-Dev - UAR CPST - IR Data-Terra Maison de la Télédétection 500 rue Jean-François Breton 34093 Montpellier Cx 5 France « Je n'ai jamais séparé la République des idées de justice sociale, sans laquelle elle n'est qu'un mot » Jean Jaures - 1887 |\ _,,,---,,_ /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' '---''(_/--' `-'\_) πr perl -e '$_=q#: 3|\ 5_,3-3,2_: 3/,`.'"'"'`'"'"' 5-. ;-;;,_: |,A- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'"'"'-'"'"': '"'"'-3'"'"'2(_/--'"'"' `-'"'"'\_): 24πr::#;y#:#\n#;s#(\D)(\d+)#$1x$2#ge;print' - --> Ce message n’engage que son auteur <-- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Feature request, hyperkitty, low volume lists

by Alain D D Williams

On Thu, Jan 09, 2025 at 10:19:17AM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > This is a long standing issue. See > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/79 Thanks > > For an example see: > > > > https://fridayfolk.phcomp.co.uk/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/announce@fridayfol… > > The style of this page is not standard. Is this a downstream packaged > HyperKitty? See > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/2025/1/ > for the standard page or > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-i18n@python.org/2024/12/ for > one with no posts. I installed from the Debian repositories as it seemed more straightforward than following the instructions on the mailman project. But it has left me running code that is ~2 years old. I might try to migrate at some point. -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

3 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Core, Hyperkitty and Postorius releases

by Odhiambo Washington

On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 7:04 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 5/14/21 5:02 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 2:52 PM Jeff Steele <jeff(a)steele.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On May 14, 2021, at 7:49 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo(a)gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> /bin/sh: sass: Permission denied* > >> > >> > >> > >> Did you check the permissions on your sass binary? > >> > > > > My mailman installed in /opt/mailman/mm > > > > find /opt/mailman/ -type f -name sass > > > > yielded nothing! > > > > Try `which sass` > root@gw:/usr/home/wash # su mailman3 (venv) [mailman3@gw /usr/home/wash]$ which sass (venv) [mailman3@gw /usr/home/wash]$ There is no sass. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v "^$|^.*#" :-)

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Recommended way to backup a mailman3 instance

by Gilles Filippini

Andrew Hodgson a écrit le 18/04/2020 à 12:26 : > Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> On 4/17/20 4:51 PM, Abhilash Raj wrote: >>> >>> If they are empty, perhaps the digest creation process should just re-create them instead of failing to create/send digests? We don't really need the directory structure to exist. > >> I created <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/699> for this. > > In my situation I noticed the directories weren't created very quickly as my Exim config looks for the list directories to identify whether that address exists. I don't know how Postfix does the aliasing but for my case it would make sense to get the directories created as soon as possible, not sure if the digest handler would be soon enough or not. There is no need for these directories on the Exim side actually. You can safely drop the related checks from the Exim configuration [1]. [1] https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/pull/371 _g.

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: Chinese characters in list name shows question mark (?)

by Franklin Weng

Franklin Weng 於 2019/10/24 上午8:05 寫道: > Hi Mark, > > Thanks for your reply. > > Mark Sapiro 於 2019/10/24 上午6:10 寫道: >>> Is there any other setting I should look at? >> The list's preferred_language setting (Postorius -> Settings -> List >> Identity -> Preferred Language. The list welcome message is encoded in >> Mailman's character set for the list's preferred_language. If this is >> English (USA), the character set is us-ascii. If it is set to Chinese >> (Taiwan), the character set is utf-8, and it should work. > However in my settings -> List Identity page I didn't see Preferred > Language option. > > https://nextcloud.slat.org/index.php/s/45tGaE7ALgAFQFK > > What may be possible wrong that I couldn't see Preferred Language > settings in the web interface? I got it. It is implemented in postorius 1.2.5 but my Debian buster contains 1.2.4-1 for now. Franklin

5 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Where does sender postorius@ come from?

by Jens Günther

Thanks for the hint. Unfortunately it's not working as expected. I'm using the docker-setup and tried it in 2 different locations, but neither got the expected effect: - I put the variable in the mm-web-container-environment: mm-web: environment: - EMAIL_CONFIRMATION_FROM=myaddress(a)something.org - Then I tried settings_local.py with: EMAIL_CONFIRMATION_FROM = 'myaddress(a)something.org' What am I missing, where do I have to set this value correctly? Thanks for the help! Jens. Am 08.06.23 um 01:57 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 6/7/23 14:13, Jens Günther wrote: >> >> The more important question would be, where :-) since I already >> checked if I can set it to something alse, I might need a hint where >> exactly I can find it. In the SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN/admin I did not >> stumble upon it. If you don't know it, no problem, let's just wait for >> somebody who does, thanks. > > > It's the EMAIL_CONFIRMATION_FROM setting in your Django settings. >

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Rafael Mora

The confirmation email says: Hello from example.com! Where can I change example.com to mydomain.com ???? Thanks El mié., 2 ago. 2017 a las 11:50, Abhilash Raj (<raj.abhilash1(a)gmail.com>) escribió: > When you set DEBUG=False, Django doesn't serve static files because of > which you see only text and no styles. > > > http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/pre-installation-guide.html#django-stati… > > If you do set DEBUG=False, you need to serve the static pages somehow. > > Alternatively in you case, you can remove the part of the `settings.py` > which changes the Emailbackend when `DEBUG=False` so that you don't have > to worry about serving static files and still send out emails. > > On Wed, Aug 2, 2017, at 09:46 AM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > For testing purpose I turned back to false the DEBUG var and everything > > started working fine with HyperKitty > > > > I don't understand... this is the trace when I click Login from Postorius > > to HyperKitty > > > > [02/Aug/2017 16:43:42] "GET /postorius/lists/ HTTP/1.1" 200 3645 > > [02/Aug/2017 16:43:48] "GET /accounts/login/?next=/postorius/lists/ > > HTTP/1.1" 200 10950 > > [02/Aug/2017 16:43:49] "GET /static/CACHE/css/hyperkitty.2f591b4e31fe.css > > HTTP/1.1" 200 156657 > > > > > > What should I check? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > El mié., 2 ago. 2017 a las 10:56, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) > > escribió: > > > > > On 08/02/2017 07:55 AM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > > > HyperKitty is looking for some files in /static/CACHE/... but it > doesn't > > > > find them: > > > > > > > > [02/Aug/2017 14:53:38] "GET /static/CACHE/css/b3547a2ab51b.css > HTTP/1.1" > > > > 404 107 > > > > [02/Aug/2017 14:53:38] "GET /static/CACHE/css/4c17bb8058aa.css > HTTP/1.1" > > > > 404 107 > > > > [02/Aug/2017 14:53:38] "GET /static/CACHE/css/2fa1cba00450.css > HTTP/1.1" > > > > 404 107 > > > > [02/Aug/2017 14:53:38] "GET /static/CACHE/js/4ce1260ef558.js > HTTP/1.1" > > > 404 > > > > 105 > > > > [02/Aug/2017 14:53:39] "GET /static/CACHE/js/4ce1260ef558.js > HTTP/1.1" > > > 404 > > > > 105 > > > > > > > > > > > > Should I run any command to activate the CACHE dir? > > > > > > > > > You need to ensure you have a working sass compiler. As I said at > > > < > > > > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > > >, > > > See the third bullet under > > > <http://docs.list.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html#dependencies>. > > > > > > Then you need to run commands like > > > > > > django-admin collectstatic --clear > > > django-admin compress > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > > > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Mailman-users mailing list > > > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > > > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > > > > -- > > > > Atentamente / Best Regards > > > > Ing. Rafael Mora > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailman-users mailing list > > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > > -- > thanks, > Abhilash Raj > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

7 years, 8 months

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