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[MM3-users] Re: Postorius confirmation mails shown in uwsgi-error.log but not sent

by Ralph Seichter

* Mark Sapiro: > What is the complete log message from uwsgi-error.log? I'll attach a typical log file to this message. It shows startup messages followed by a recorded confirmation email. User name and domain are obfuscated, but other than that the log is unchanged. -Ralph *** Starting uWSGI 2.0.18 (64bit) on [Sat Mar 28 20:55:36 2020] *** compiled with version: 9.3.0 on 26 March 2020 13:58:28 os: Linux-5.5.13-gentoo #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 10:24:38 CET 2020 nodename: wedjat machine: x86_64 clock source: unix pcre jit disabled detected number of CPU cores: 8 current working directory: /var/lib/mailman detected binary path: /var/lib/mailman/venv/bin/uwsgi chdir() to /var/lib/mailman/suite/ your processes number limit is 256427 your memory page size is 4096 bytes detected max file descriptor number: 1024 lock engine: pthread robust mutexes thunder lock: disabled (you can enable it with --thunder-lock) uwsgi socket 0 bound to TCP address 127.0.0.1:8002 fd 8 Python version: 3.8.2 (default, Feb 26 2020, 08:14:41) [GCC 9.2.0] Python main interpreter initialized at 0x56443febc210 python threads support enabled your server socket listen backlog is limited to 100 connections your mercy for graceful operations on workers is 60 seconds mapped 166752 bytes (162 KB) for 2 cores *** Operational MODE: threaded *** WSGI app 0 (mountpoint='') ready in 1 seconds on interpreter 0x56443febc210 pid: 21912 (default app) *** uWSGI is running in multiple interpreter mode *** spawned uWSGI master process (pid: 21912) spawned uWSGI worker 1 (pid: 21916, cores: 2) 19:55:38 [Q] INFO Q Cluster pizza-illinois-golf-magnesium starting. 19:55:38 [Q] INFO Process-1:1 ready for work at 21921 19:55:38 [Q] INFO Process-1:2 ready for work at 21922 19:55:38 [Q] INFO Process-1:3 ready for work at 21923 19:55:38 [Q] INFO Process-1:4 ready for work at 21924 19:55:38 [Q] INFO Process-1:5 ready for work at 21925 19:55:38 [Q] INFO Process-1:6 ready for work at 21926 19:55:38 [Q] INFO Process-1:7 ready for work at 21927 19:55:38 [Q] INFO Process-1:8 ready for work at 21928 19:55:38 [Q] INFO Process-1:9 monitoring at 21929 19:55:38 [Q] INFO Process-1 guarding cluster pizza-illinois-golf-magnesium 19:55:38 [Q] INFO Process-1:10 pushing tasks at 21930 19:55:38 [Q] INFO Q Cluster pizza-illinois-golf-magnesium running. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [lists.domain.tld] Please Confirm Your E-mail Address From: postmaster(a)domain.tld To: OBFUSCATED(a)gmail.com Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 20:08:15 -0000 Message-ID: <158542609570.21916.15168402908994348907(a)wedjat.domain.tld> Hello from lists.domain.tld! You're receiving this e-mail because user OBFUSCATED has given yours as an e-mail address to connect their account. To confirm this is correct, go to https://lists.domain.tld/accounts/confirm-email/Mg:1jIHkd:x8NSjzCkP5ifX6V39… Thank you from lists.domain.tld! lists.domain.tld -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman-core installation on debian stretch/maria-db

by Wolfgang Bock

Hi Mark, thanks for your reply. In my debian apt-get install the "mysql+pymysq" sentence was now automaticly set. My Debian dbconfig-mysql dependency refers to maria-db. I had some problem of creating the database due to right-problems with dbconfig. So I created the database manually and set permissions to the database-user manually. The results were shown yesterday. Now I am stopping all efforts on fiddeling with mailman3, re-setup my server in order to get rid of all that python stuff and will use mailman 2.1 which runs without problems and does all things I need. A sql-membermanagement would be useful, but in this version not available. And wait for an official mailman upgrade within the debian stretch stable ... Thank you for your efforts. Regards Wolfgang Am 12.03.2018 um 02:24 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 03/11/2018 03:11 PM, Wolfgang Bock wrote: > >> -> After I set a symlink to /sbin/master another errormessage occurs >>>> 2. connection to maria-db >>>> In debian stretch maria-db is running. In my mailman.cfg I set: >>>> [database] >>>> class: mailman.database.mysql.MySQLDatabase >>>> url: >>>> mysql+pmysql://#username#:#user-pawo#@localhost/#databasename#?charset=utf8&use_unicode=1 >>>> >>> should that be mysql+pymysql ? >> -> Yes, according to: >> http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/database.html >> -> Not right?? > > My point is you have 'mysql+pmysql' and you should have 'mysql+pymysql'. > You are missing the first 'y' in 'pymysql'. > > >> After that I decided to delete mailman via pip and took a new approach >> via debians apt-get ... mailman 3 >> >> So far so good, now new errormessage: >> >> Traceback (most recent call last): > ... >> AttributeError: module 'mailman.database.mysql' has no attribute >> 'MYSQLDatabase' > > Did you install the Debian dbconfig-mysql dependency? I don't know how > installation of mailman3-core determines which if any of the database > dependencies, but you need that for sure to support MySQL/MariaDB. > > >> Another question is, where can I find the sql-command within the >> database mailman3 like CREATE TABLE x and TABLE y as I created a >> database mailman3 which is empty?? > > The database may be empty because of the above error and the fact you > haven't yet done anything. > > All the database access is via SQLAlchemy and models defined in > Mailman's mailman/models/ directory. See > <http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs/model.html>. >

7 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Weird startup problem after upgrade

by Odhiambo Washington

On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 8:58 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/2/22 08:21, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > I am facing an odd situation in which MM3 doesn't start successfully on > > reboot, but I can start it manually. > > This is a venv install. > > This started after I did an upgrade (pip install --upgrade mailman > > postorius hyperkitty mailman-hyperkitty) followed by the requisite > > collectstatic|compress|compilemessages|migrate > > post-update commands. > > > Was the venv activated when you ran pip? > Yes. > > You should also include django-mailman3 and mailmanclient in the > packages to be upgraded although they are dependencies and "should" > upgrade anyway. > I did not include them in the list of packages to be upgraded because I did not explicitly install them when I installed my server. In BC's HOWTO <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10> which is what my MM3 server is based, they were never part of the modules (app?) installed explicitly. > Also, at least one person has noted that --force-reinstall was required > to get all dependencies upgraded > < > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > > I can try this as well and report back. > > Secondly, it appears that the upgrade did NOT change the versions for the > > upgraded components - postorius=1.3.6, hyperkitty=1.3.5, > > Mailman Core Version=3.3.5. I was expecting the version to all bump up to > > the latest. > > > What does `pip freeze` in the venv show for versions? > Here is the listing: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/tMGDxjKwJ8/ > > > Thanks in advance for any insights into what could be causing this. > > > How do you start it manually? `mailman start` or `systemctl start > mailman3`? systemctl start mailman3 > What's the content of /etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service? > root@lists:/home/wash# cat /etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service [Unit] Description=GNU Mailing List Manager After=syslog.target network.target mysql.service postgresql.service [Service] Type=forking PIDFile=/opt/mailman/mm/var/master.pid User=mailman Group=mailman ExecStart=/opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman start ExecReload=/opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman restart ExecStop=/opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman stop [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target A special note that before I did this upgrade, the startup wasn't an issue. I can actually go back to where I was, because I have complete backup of my venv before the update, but it would be great to figure out why things are the way they are now. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: multiple sites on a mailman3 server question

by David Newman

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:49, William Oliver <billo(a)billoblog.com> wrote: > > On Tue, 2021-12-28 at 18:23 -0800, David Newman wrote: >>> >>> [snip] >>> I'm using nginx >> I'd asked about this a few weeks ago for a MM3 host running Ngnix >> with a >> few virtual domains, one of which runs Roundcubemail as its default. >> >> Mark Sapiro suggested the following, and it seems to be working OK. >> You'll need these lines in the Nginx config file for each virtual >> host >> you define. >> >> # begin mailman3 stuff >> >> location /static/ { >> alias /opt/mailman/web/static/; >> } >> > [snip] > > > > No joy. This just makes it kind of work as the mailman interface when > it gets rewritten. > > My problem is that the url is getting referred to > domainname/mailman3/lists even when I don't want it to. That sounds like an nginx configuration problem, not a Mailman3 issue. One assumption in the MM3 web setup docs is that MM3/Django/Postorius/Hyperkitty are the only web services running. If they’re not, and there are other services running, you’ll need to tell Nginx where they are. The setup I provided is an excerpt and covers only how to point to MM3 in such a scenario. It does not cover how to point to something else as root at, say, www.domain.tld. This is off-topic for a Mailman3 list, but maybe check your default files in the sites-available directory, and also anything they point to, paying particular attention to where / points and which root directory you’re using. Same thing with any other config files in that directory. dn > Adding these > changes just (partially) loads the mailman3 interface when it gets > rewritten. > > What I'm trying to figure out is where uwsgi yanks control from nginx > and does the rewriting. Pulling that proxypass stuff out will stop > mailman3 from coming up, and adding it allows mailman3 to show its > interface, but the address gets referred regardless. > > Somehow I need to tell uwsgi to ignore www.domain.com *or* somehow tell > nginx not to push it to port 8000. But I don't see where nginx is > getting told to go to 8000 in the www.domain.com section. > > billo > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Newbie question 2: Rewriting issue for bounced emails

by William Oliver

On Sat, 2021-12-25 at 10:29 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > This is the issue. > > See > https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h… > > for information on configuring Postfix with mailing lists in a > virtual > domain. > > Thanks, at least that changed the error :-) Clearly that was the problem, but it uncovered a new one -- the mailman vmap doesn't seem to be created. In the installation docs, it says about /opt/mailman/mm/data/postfix_vmap: "If this is done and the configured MTA is Postfix, Mailman will create an additional /path-to-mailman/var/data/postfix_vmap file with mappings from the example.com addresses to the corresponding addresses in the alias_domain and will use the alias_domain in the other files. " But, alas, I get a "temporary lookup failure" which isn't all that helpful. However, if I wander over to /var/logs/syslog, I see: Dec 25 15:18:23 libertyfp postfix/smtpd[20248]: error: open database /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_vmap.db: No such file or directory Dec 25 15:18:23 libertyfp postfix/smtpd[20248]: connect from localhost[::1] Dec 25 15:18:23 libertyfp postfix/trivial-rewrite[20252]: error: open database /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_vmap.db: No such file or directory Dec 25 15:18:23 libertyfp postfix/trivial-rewrite[20252]: warning: hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_vmap is unavailable. open database /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_vmap.db: No such file or directory Dec 25 15:18:23 libertyfp postfix/trivial-rewrite[20252]: warning: virtual_alias_domains: hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_vmap: table lookup problem Dec 25 15:18:23 libertyfp postfix/trivial-rewrite[20252]: warning: virtual_alias_domains lookup failure Dec 25 15:18:23 libertyfp postfix/trivial-rewrite[20252]: warning: hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_vmap is unavailable. open database /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_vmap.db: No such file or directory Dec 25 15:18:23 libertyfp postfix/trivial-rewrite[20252]: warning: virtual_alias_domains: hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_vmap: table lookup problem Dec 25 15:18:23 libertyfp postfix/trivial-rewrite[20252]: warning: virtual_alias_domains lookup failure Dec 25 15:18:23 libertyfp postfix/smtpd[20248]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from localhost[::1]: 451 4.3.0 <billo(a)billoblog.com>: Temporary lookup failure; from=<mailman(a)libertyfp.org> to=<billo(a)billoblog.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<mail.libertyfp.org> Dec 25 15:18:23 libertyfp postfix/smtpd[20254]: error: open database /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_vmap.db: No such file or directory and on and on. This looks like a clue to me -- that mailman3 did not automagically make postfix_vmap.db. Is there a "make-the-freaking-virtual- map-database" command in mailman3, or is this postfix thing? Should I just touch the thing and create an empty file? I'm a little scared to... The error message makes me think that it should be populated with something... Sigh. That's enough for today. I'm off to eat Christmas turkey. Thanks for all your help this morning. billo

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] translating templates (was: Re: spanish localization)

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

On 13/2/21 20:00, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Also note that the translations on weblate only affect strings in the > core code. The Mailman core templates are not currently translated in > weblate and there are currently no Spanish language templates. One would > need to create Spanish translations of all the templates in > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/tree/master/src/mailman/templates/en> > and submit a merge request to add them to a mailman/templates/es/ directory. I downladed the templates and I'm beginning the translation process, but I have a question. What language map has to be used? In my S.O. it's ISO-8859-15 but I'm concerned it has to be UTF-8... Better ask before having to do a remapping of the files after... It comes to my attention that three files have 0 bytes. -rw-r--r-- 1 Oldno7 wheel 382 14 feb. 00:22 domain:admin:notice:new-list.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 Oldno7 wheel 886 15 feb. 11:28 help.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 Oldno7 wheel 289 14 feb. 00:22 list:admin:action:post.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 Oldno7 wheel 120 14 feb. 00:22 list:admin:action:subscribe.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 Oldno7 wheel 122 14 feb. 00:22 list:admin:action:unsubscribe.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 Oldno7 wheel 133 14 feb. 00:22 list:admin:notice:disable.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 Oldno7 wheel 71 14 feb. 00:22 list:admin:notice:removal.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 Oldno7 wheel 59 14 feb. 00:22 list:admin:notice:subscribe.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 Oldno7 wheel 257 14 feb. 00:22 list:admin:notice:unrecognized.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 Oldno7 wheel 45 14 feb. 00:22 list:admin:notice:unsubscribe.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 Oldno7 wheel 0 14 feb. 00:22 list:member:digest:header.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 Oldno7 wheel 337 14 feb. 00:22 list:member:digest:masthead.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 Oldno7 wheel 154 14 feb. 00:22 list:member:generic:footer.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 Oldno7 wheel 0 14 feb. 00:22 list:member:regular:header.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 Oldno7 wheel 562 14 feb. 00:22 list:user:action:invite.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 Oldno7 wheel 753 14 feb. 00:22 list:user:action:subscribe.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 Oldno7 wheel 739 14 feb. 00:22 list:user:action:unsubscribe.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 Oldno7 wheel 0 14 feb. 00:22 list:user:notice:goodbye.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 Oldno7 wheel 281 14 feb. 00:22 list:user:notice:hold.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 Oldno7 wheel 439 14 feb. 00:22 list:user:notice:no-more-today.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 Oldno7 wheel 98 14 feb. 00:22 list:user:notice:post.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 Oldno7 wheel 568 14 feb. 00:22 list:user:notice:probe.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 Oldno7 wheel 273 14 feb. 00:22 list:user:notice:refuse.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 Oldno7 wheel 151 14 feb. 00:22 list:user:notice:rejected.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 Oldno7 wheel 353 14 feb. 00:22 list:user:notice:warning.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 Oldno7 wheel 532 14 feb. 00:22 list:user:notice:welcome.txt TIA.

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: "Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25"

by Manos Pitsidianakis

Στις 2019-09-21 22:18, Mark Sapiro έγραψε: > On 9/21/19 1:00 PM, Manos Pitsidianakis wrote: >> >> Can I use a debugger to see exactly what happens in the runner? > > > You might be able to run the runner under pdb > <https://docs.python.org/3.2/library/pdb.html>. I think I found what's wrong: /usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py(134)run() -> filecnt = self._one_iteration() /usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py(173)_one_iteration() -> self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) /usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py(266)_process_one_file() -> keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) /usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/runners/outgoing.py(95)_dispose() -> self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata) /usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/mta/deliver.py(86)deliver() -> refused = agent.deliver(mlist, msg, msgdata) > /usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/mta/base.py(163)deliver() -> callback(mlist, message_copy, msgdata_copy) /usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/mta/decorating.py(32)decorate() -> decorator.process(mlist, msg, msgdata) /usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/handlers/decorate.py(264)process() -> process(mlist, msg, msgdata) /usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/handlers/decorate.py(89)process() -> footer = decorate('list:member:regular:footer', mlist, d) /usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/handlers/decorate.py(226)decorate() -> template = getUtility(ITemplateLoader).get(name, mlist, **extradict) /usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/model/template.py(188)get() -> name, lookup_context, **substitutions) /usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py(85)wrapper() -> return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) /usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/model/template.py(109)get() -> contents = protocols.get(actual_uri, **auth) /usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/protocols.py(38)get() -> response = requests.get(url, timeout=REQUEST_TIMEOUT, **kws) /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/api.py(70)get() -> return request('get', url, params=params, **kwargs) /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/api.py(56)request() -> return session.request(method=method, url=url, **kwargs) /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/sessions.py(488)request() -> resp = self.send(prep, **send_kwargs) /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/sessions.py(609)send() -> r = adapter.send(request, **kwargs) /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/adapters.py(487)send() -> raise ConnectionError(e, request=request) requests.exceptions.ConnectionError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='localhost', port=8000): Max retries exceeded with url: /mailman3/api/templates/list/meli-announce.meli.delivery/list:member:regular:footer (Caused by NewConnectionError('<requests.packages.urllib3.connection.HTTPConnection object at 0x7f4f0495a358>: Failed to establish a new connection: [Errno 111] Connection refused',)) mailman3 tries to get the template I've set via the mailman suite interface but it assumes it is hosted locally: 'http://localhost:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/meli-announce.meli.delive…' In my setup, they are separate machines. I can't find any way to change this in the configuration. Also, can't the same template be loaded from the master's localhost:8001 api? Haven't fiddled with python for some time, why is this exception catched by "except socket.error"? Is it a subclass of requests.exceptions.ConnectionError?

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty won't list more than 5 posts and shows empty grey Activity Summary box

by Abhilash Raj

Hi, On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 13:42:20 -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 08/09/2017 12:56 PM, cyp(a)trojina.si wrote: > > Thanks for the quick and helpful reply. (However, please note that until now I was under the impression that there had been no response yet to my question, since my post appears to indicate having 0 comments at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/2017/8/) > > > Yes, I see that. It was apparently an issue with caching. I recently > enabled memcached on the server for django and apparently there was an > issue with that. I just did what @abompard suggested at > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/131#note_30244378> and > that seems to have fixed it, at least for the moment. > > > > Yes, the one-liner did indeed help the "More ..." problem. :) > > > > As for the bar graph, it's showing a bar now, probably correct. But I have not seen anything about django cronjobs in the MM3 documentation, haven't set any up, can't find any in our (Ubuntu 16.04) system and haven't done anything to fix this in-between (although I have restarted mailman-core and mailman-suite a few times). Could you point me in the right direction? > > > This is what I have in Mailman's crontab on lists.mailman3.org > > > @hourly /opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/bin/mailman-web-django-admin runjobs hourly > > @daily /opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/bin/mailman-web-django-admin runjobs daily > > @weekly /opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/bin/mailman-web-django-admin runjobs weekly > > @monthly /opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/bin/mailman-web-django-admin runjobs monthly > > @yearly /opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/bin/mailman-web-django-admin runjobs yearly > > 0,15,30,45 * * * * /opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/bin/mailman-web-django-admin runjobs quarter_hourly > > * * * * * /opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/bin/mailman-web-django-admin runjobs minutely > > > > # Send periodic digests. > > # I like 03:30 so they go overnight, but since we're 'global' and on UTC, > > # maybe 07:30 is good. > > 30 7 * * * /opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/bin/mailman digests --send I wasn't aware that Core needed cron jobs too, is that true for 3.1 release as well? > > I don't recall exactly where I saw that that was needed, but you can > find it (except for the periodic digests bit) at > <http://docs.list.org/en/latest/config-web.html#scheduled-tasks-required>. > Note that that suggests a system crontab with the web server user rather > than the 'mailman' user's crontab. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj

8 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: What implications do GDPR have on Mailman, and how to requiring members to accept registration

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Henrik Rasmussen writes: > What I meant was, that the list admin may be able to set the list > to Open or Moderate, making it possible to subscribe others, and I > was told by our GDPR folks that we have to make the subscribers > re-confirm, so I was just trying to figure out a way to do it. I > don't know very much about GDPR yet. I think Mark misinterpreted "re-confirm". I assume you mean forcing the *existing* subscribers to perform some action to confirm that they still want to be subscribers. This is not currently a feature of Mailman 2 or Mailman 3. We only can require confirmation at initial subscription, except by something like unsubscribing or no-mail'ing everybody as Mark suggested. > I agree, I wouldn't remove [the mass subscription feature] either, > but I just have to be concerned about the possibility that someone > may have been subscribed against their will. I think you would hear about that. Re-confirmation in light of new rights for subscribers and responsibilities for providers seems reasonable to me, but I think it's reasonable to assume list admins are not malevolent. In light of GDPR, we may need to develop ways to enforce site policy about subscription confirmation and ability of users to unsubscribe themselves at will. > Is there a way to resend a confirmation request to either those who > haven't been requested to confirm or alternately to all > subscribers? It seems to me that what most organizations are doing is not to force reconfirmation, but rather informing their users of 1. their GDPR rights 2. what PII is present in the relevant databases 3. how to terminate the relationship if desired In the case of Mailman, you might also want to 4. require SSL to access the website 5. advise the users to change their passwords if you had been allowing access via HTTP or sending password reminders For stock Mailman 2, this is not a big deal (I don't think any of the subscriber configuration information is PII except display name and address), but for Mailman 3 I believe there's some profile information in HyperKitty that might be considered PII, and Mailman 3 will be easier to extend using plugins etc to potentially incorporate even more. Mark Sapiro writes: > Or, post to the list that everyone will need to resubscribe and > then remove everyone. Note that this means that people who resubscribe late will miss mail. That may or may not be a big deal. Steve

7 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to delete non-users

by Allan Hansen

Thank you, Stephen. Yes, I have verified that the users will be subscribed once the moderator accepts their subscription requests. The tricky time is between the non-member record is created and the moderator accepts the application. Many of them will try to post before their subscription is approved (some moderators are good at procrastinating). During this time the user thinks that the subscription has been entered, but is not able to send/receive messages. Then they complain to me... While some of the users and moderators may have visual impairments (well, it's possible that even a majority wears glasses - I do), the bigger issue is that most are not techies, and some are very much not techies. They are brilliant in other ways and Mailman has been a wonderful tool for them all to communicate and organize, but it's also a bit quirky. Yours, Allan On 9/16/22, 23:28 , "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephenjturnbull(a)gmail.com> wrote: Mark Sapiro writes: > My original point is the presence of a nonmember role should not prevent > the user from subscribing. If there is an issue with subscribing it is > probably because of the outstanding subscription request waiting > moderator approval. I don't think it is likely, but is it possible that the moderator is not just refusing the subscription, but banning the address from subscribing? > I understand that you would like the nonmember role to disappear, but > that isn't going to happen in the distribution, and I can't undertake > the extensive effort required to figure out how you can do it for your site. It seems to me that explicitly displaying the nonmember role is an internal and/or administrative need, and most ordinary users are only interested in whether they are subscribed or not. If the list appears in "their" list of list, they're going to assume they're subscribed. (We've even had that confusion about moderators and owners in the past.) I haven't done any deep thinking about this, but perhaps we could provide a more streamlined view tuned to this specific need? That is, the role won't go away, but at least in some contexts you'll have to ask explicitly for that user-list relationship to be displayed. Also, IIRC Allan's community contains a substantial group of folks with visual impairments, presumably including admins and moderators. Especially to serve that circumstance I think it makes sense for us to provide streamlined views that are more easily grasped as a whole where we can. _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

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