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[MM3-users] Re: Apple Mail encoding again

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > First, we are not silently dropping this message. We are rejecting it at > LMTP time so the sender should be notified. Sure, but you know how users are about being told that their broken MUAs are spewing crap into the Internet. And most of them will get their mail back and will have no idea how to diagnose what the problem is, let alone repair it. > Then the broader question is should we accept all messages with > defects, almost all of which are spam, or only certain defects and > which ones. No (for the reason given), yes, and "it depends". This one I think we can pass through by default. Some lists might want to pass some of the defects that are characteristic of spam. For example, lists for projects developing MUAs in Japan. I regularly got mail with unencoded Japanese in Subject, display names, and occasionally Date at one point in time. > I note that Apple has now released Mail 16 so maybe they've fixed this. > My macs are still on Big Sur, so I can't test this. I have a Mac on Monterey but I haven't switched to it yet, and I'm not a regular user of signed mail and I've never ever used Apple Mail. I'll probably need a bit of handholding to set up a test. Steve

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: URLs in moderation messages

by Odhiambo Washington

On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 8:22 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 3/3/23 01:55, Tim Cutts wrote: > > > > I’ve clearly got something wrong in my configuration, but I can’t work > out what. > > > > All my URLs seem to have the “mailman3” part duplicated, i.e. > > > > Https://example.com/mailman3/mailman3/lists > > > > Is where I have to go to get a list of my mailing lists, which just > doesn’t seem right. > > > > In my settings.py file I have: > > > > POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://example.com/mailman3/' > > > > If I change the value of this to just https://example.com/ it doesn’t > change this, > > > That setting has nothing to do with your issue. It only determines the > base part of the URL that's used to retrieve templates set in Postorius. > > What is your web server configuration? This is probably where the > problem lies. See > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#nginx-configura… > for a suggested nginx config and > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#apache-configur… > for Apache. > Are these proposed VirtualHost configs independent of whether one is using gunicorn/mod_wsgi/uwsgi? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM2 -> MM3 Migration: listinfo page

by Odhiambo Washington

On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 6:16 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 3/8/23 02:21, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > For those who have migrated from MM2 to MM3, does someone have an > elegantly > > modified listinfo page they are willing to share? > > I remove the MM 2.1 list, but leave the archives. Instead of having any > kind of listinfo page, I put a redirect in Apache for each migrated > list. E.g. > > RedirectMatch permanent /mailman/listinfo/mailman-users(/.*)?$ \ > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ > > For archives, I add a note to archives/private/<listname>/index.html. > See https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/ for an example. > This works for public archives, but not for private archives because > there is no longer a list to use for private archive authentication. I'd rather not touch the MM2.1 domain because references have been made to it in publications. What I am struggling with is the listinfo.html file: ``` https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet ``` I am struggling to add reference to the MM3 subscription link user the " Subscribe to KICTANet by filling out the following form:" The HTML code to insert there beats me :) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty error - not archiving

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sat, Jul 26, 2025 at 8:49 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 7/26/25 10:35 AM, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > > > > I had examined the message using 'mailman qfile', but did not see > anything > > obvious. > > There were 3 files inside the spool/ directory. > > I have just checked again and they are no longer there. > > If the files `disappeared`, they were eventually successfully delivered > to HyperKitty. If you made no changes to mailman-hyperkitty.cfg, there > was probably some transient network issue that caused the initial error. > Most likely. Another thing I have seen, inside /etc/mailman3/ root@list:/etc/mailman3# ls -al total 40 drwxr-xr-x 3 mailman mailman 4096 Jul 26 10:52 . drwxr-xr-x 110 root root 12288 Jul 26 07:17 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 948 Jul 25 02:48 mailman.cfg -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 352 Oct 25 2023 mailman-hyperkitty.cfg drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jul 26 03:11 __pycache__ <===== Is the presence of this directory expected? -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 4971 Jul 26 03:10 settings.py -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 863 Jul 25 04:14 uwsgi.ini -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Unknown templates being used

by Brian Carpenter

On 2/14/21 1:31 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/14/21 5:44 AM, Tom Stoddard wrote: >> I'm a list owner who has recently (within the last week) had my lists >> migrated from mailman 2 to mailman 3. The UI that we are using is >> Affinity. > So you should be getting your support from EMWD. > > >> I've reviewed all of the list templates and begun to customize >> some of them. My issue is that I'm receiving messages that don't match >> any of the templates. Here is an example of one that I just received >> this morning. (The x's are inserted by me. The actual message provided >> valid addresses.) >> >> Thexxxxxxxxxx(a)xxxxxxxxxx.org list has 1 moderation requests waiting. >> >> >> Held Subscriptions: >> User:xxxxxxxxxx@gmail.com >> >> Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. Yeah, the funny thing here Mark is he is not asking for support for the interface. He is wanting to know why isn't there a way for List Owners to modify moderation notices. It had nothing to do with Affinity. BTW - I told this client CLEARLY there was no template for that notification but he was welcome to join the list to ask for the source of it since I did not know. Geez. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 to MM3 migration

by David Newman

On 1/31/23 2:01 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 1/31/23 13:34, David Newman wrote: >> >> Is this really as simple as building the new server, creating the >> same lists on the new server, and rsync’ing the archives from the old >> server? If not, how to do the migration? > > > If you want to mirror the entire installation, you can dump the > databases off the old server and import them to the new server. > Depending on the installation, everything may be in one database or > there may be separate ones for mailman core and mailman web. This is a > little tricky because some of the tables have to do with Django stuff. > > To do only selected lists is much more difficult and there are no > scripts that I am aware of. > > HyperKitty can dump a list's archive as a mbox which could then be > used as input to hyperkitty_import on the new server to move archives, > but there are no similar scripts to dump list settings, users, > memberships, etc. in a format that can be imported. Thanks for this. Would I need to create the lists first on the new server before restoring databases and running hyperkitty_import? Also, I'm unclear about there not being scripts for settings, users, etc. –– isn't that stuff in the mailman database? Thanks! dn

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Memory footprint

by Richard Shetron

some systems also support the sar command (system activity report). If you have it read the manpages to see all the options as there are many. When looking for performance issues/problems that aren't real easy to find I like to just let 'vmstat 5' run in a window and take a look occasionally, particularly when things seem slow. I prefer the 5 second readings to see more about general trends. On 4/11/2017 8:33 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 04/10/2017 02:25 PM, David Krantz wrote: >> Hi. >> >> Now running mailman 3 I am a bit surprised that the memory footprint >> is so large. I count to 13 processes with each a virtual space of >> 160-250MB and a reserved space of about 50MB each. Not much, but quite >> much to run on smaller cloud instances which generally have limited >> memory. This is (a lot) more than the corresponding postgres >> installation uses, >> >> Is this normal? > > > Those numbers seem "normal" but you really have to look deeper to > understand if you just have a bunch of processes sitting in memory > because the memory is available and nothing else wants it, or if there's > real memory contention going on. > > The article at <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030711>, while written about > Mailman 2.1, has some general information which may be of interest. > >

9 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: No DBA password when installing Mailman3 with remote database server

by Markus Ludwig Grandpré

> but apparently dpkg wants to > create databases for Mailman and Mailman Web. During the installation process dpkg creates not only a database and a database user with approriate permissions, but also many tables. Dpkg allows to skip database configuration. Is there routine or skript to create database, database user and all required tables after the installation process has finished? Best regards, Markus On 31.10.22 18:52, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/31/22 07:04, Markus Ludwig Grandpré wrote: >> Dear Mailman3 list, >> >> I try to install the Mailman3 software 3.3.3-1 on a Debian 11 system >> with a remote Postgres database server. During the installation >> process dpkg is asking for the DBA password that our DBA team would >> not provide to me. So what can I do? > > > This is really a question for Debian, but apparently dpkg wants to > create databases for Mailman and Mailman Web. You will need to get your > DBA team to create these databases (probably named `mailman` and > `mailmanweb`) and a Mailman user (probably `list`) with all access to > these databases and probably manually configure the `[database]` section > of mailman.cfg and `DATABASES` on Django's settings > -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating mailman3 to latest ubuntu lts

by Helio Loureiro

Hi, And here we have it: (venv) mailman@new=server ~ (v3.3.9)> mailman-web migrate System check identified some issues: WARNINGS: account.EmailAddress: (models.W036) MariaDB does not support unique constraints with conditions. HINT: A constraint won't be created. Silence this warning if you don't care about it. account.EmailAddress: (models.W043) MariaDB does not support indexes on expressions. HINT: An index won't be created. Silence this warning if you don't care about it. Operations to perform: Apply all migrations: account, admin, auth, contenttypes, django_mailman3, django_q, hyperkitty, postorius, sessions, sites, socialaccount Running migrations: Applying account.0004_alter_emailaddress_drop_unique_email... OK Applying account.0005_emailaddress_idx_upper_email... OK Applying admin.0003_logentry_add_action_flag_choices... OK Applying auth.0009_alter_user_last_name_max_length... OK Applying auth.0010_alter_group_name_max_length... OK Applying auth.0011_update_proxy_permissions... OK Applying auth.0012_alter_user_first_name_max_length... OK Applying django_mailman3.0003_sessions... OK Applying django_q.0010_auto_20200610_0856... OK Applying django_q.0011_auto_20200628_1055... OK Applying django_q.0012_auto_20200702_1608... OK Applying django_q.0013_task_attempt_count... OK Applying django_q.0014_schedule_cluster... OK Applying hyperkitty.0016_auto_20180309_0056... OK tl;dr: it was the database. So the django was spitting out absolutely horrible traceback errors to diagnose the issue. I modified the code to print the query and then raise exception (what is expected from an error, not only "I just failed, sorry do whatever"). Then I got the query and tried manually. And it failed. (venv) mailman@new-server ~ (v3.3.9)> mailman-web migrate System check identified some issues: WARNINGS: account.EmailAddress: (models.W036) MariaDB does not support unique constraints with conditions. HINT: A constraint won't be created. Silence this warning if you don't care about it. account.EmailAddress: (models.W043) MariaDB does not support indexes on expressions. HINT: An index won't be created. Silence this warning if you don't care about it. Operations to perform: Apply all migrations: account, admin, auth, contenttypes, django_mailman3, django_q, hyperkitty, postorius, sessions, sites, socialaccount Running migrations: Applying account.0004_alter_emailaddress_drop_unique_email...Error running query: b'*ALTER** TABLE `account_emailaddress` DROP INDEX `email`'* Traceback (most recent call last): File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 89, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py", line 75, in execute return self.cursor.execute(query, args) File "/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 179, in execute res = self._query(mogrified_query) [...] (venv) mailman@new-server ~ (v3.3.9) [0|1]> mysql -umailman3web -p -h localhost mailman3web Enter password: Reading table information for completion of table and column names You can turn off this feature to get a quicker startup with -A Welcome to the MariaDB monitor. Commands end with ; or \g. Your MariaDB connection id is 32 Server version: 10.6.12-MariaDB-0ubuntu0.22.04.1 Ubuntu 22.04 Copyright (c) 2000, 2018, Oracle, MariaDB Corporation Ab and others. Type 'help;' or '\h' for help. Type '\c' to clear the current input statement. MariaDB [mailman3web]> *ALTER TABLE `account_emailaddress` DROP INDEX `email`;* ERROR 2013 (HY000): Lost connection to server during query MariaDB [mailman3web]> *ALTER TABLE `account_emailaddress` DROP INDEX `email`;* ERROR 2006 (HY000): Server has gone away No connection. Trying to reconnect... Connection id: 32 Current database: mailman3web ERROR 2013 (HY000): Lost connection to server during query So I looked to the mysql error logs and searched Internet for the issue. It recommended to run a "mysql_upgrade", which failed with another error: root@seliius26224 /e/mailman3# mysql_upgrade -u root --force Phase 1/7: Checking and upgrading mysql database Processing databases mysql mysql.column_stats OK mysql.columns_priv OK mysql.db OK mysql.engine_cost Error : Table 'mysql.engine_cost' doesn't exist status : Operation failed mysql.event OK mysql.func OK [...] sys.x$wait_classes_global_by_avg_latency OK sys.x$wait_classes_global_by_latency OK sys.x$waits_by_host_by_latency OK sys.x$waits_by_user_by_latency OK sys.x$waits_global_by_latency OK Phase 4/7: Running 'mysql_fix_privilege_tables' ERROR 1932 (42S02) at line 477: Table 'mysql.innodb_index_stats' doesn't exist in engine FATAL ERROR: Upgrade failed I searched again the Internet and found a fix: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/37856155/mysql-upgrade-failed-innodb-ta… Now migration is progressing. Thanks for all the patience and support. Best Regards, Helio Loureiro https://helio.loureiro.eng.br https://github.com/helioloureiro https://mastodon.social/@helioloureiro On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 at 15:23, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/19/23 3:11 AM, Helio Loureiro wrote: > > Hi, > > > > No luck :( > > > > (venv) mailman@new-server ~ (v3.3.9)> *pip install -U > > django-allauth==0.58.0* > > You need to install django-allauth<0.58.0 as in > ``` > pip install django-allauth\<0.58 > ``` > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to helio(a)loureiro.eng.br >

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Importing mbox file into MM3

by Mark

On 2023-06-23 12:19, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 6/22/23 7:00 PM, Mark wrote: >> Hi All >> >> I'm trying to import a large mbox file from a MM2 list into a new list >> on MM3. >> >> The new MM3 list has 3 test emails in its archive. >> ... >> The import or rebuild has failed as it's just rebuilding the existing >> archive of the 3 test messages. >> >> What am I doing wrong? > > > Presumably, the 3 test emails are newer than the messages in the > archive .mbox. The default for hyperkitty_import is to not import > messages older than the newest message in the existing archive. > You need to specify something like `--since='1970-01-01'` on the > hyperkitty_import command to import these older messages. > Thanks Mark. That looks more promising. It's been chugging away now for 3 hours with only 4 errors reported so far. # cd /usr/share/mailman3-web/ # python3 manage.py hyperkitty_import --since='1970-01-01' -l LISTNAME@DOMAIN /home/mark/tmp/LISTNAME.mbox "Failed adding message ......(a)mail.yahoo.com>: A string literal cannot contain NUL (0x00) characters". The mbox file is about 3 GB. The errors look like they're for messages that aren't kosher (maybe misplaced "From"s in replies). I can live with a few missing messages. Back to watching the spinning pipe. Chug chug. Cheers Mark

3 years, 4 months

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