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[MM3-users] Re: FYI: Django security releases issued: 4.0.6 and 3.2.14

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/8/22 8:28 AM, David Newman wrote: > > This system runs Debian 11, with everything installed in a venv. I'm > unclear on the relationship between the usual apt* tools and pip, and > just do everything Mailman-related using pip. apt will not install into a virtualenv, even if the virtualenv is active when running apt-get. It only installs system wide. Further, apt doesn't know about packages installed by pip (either system wide or in a virtualenv) and vice versa. See https://askubuntu.com/questions/581648/install-package-into-virtualenv-usin… for more. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Help! Duplicate DKIM key

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/11/25 7:06 AM, Jose Bernal via Mailman-users wrote: > > Here is the message. We've got several thousand log entries like this now: > > *554 Transaction failed: Duplicate header 'DKIM-Signature'* > Mar 10 08:31:10 mail1 postfix/smtp[217753]: 738B53F15E: to=< > brian(a)brianmichaelslaw.com>, relay=xxx.org[44.225.xxx.xx]:587, delay=37, > delays=2/35/0.16/0.13, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host said: 554 > Transaction failed: Duplicate header 'DKIM-Signature'. (in reply to end of > DATA command)) This is Amazon SES being stupid, but you can avoid this issue by setting ``` remove_dkim_headers: yes ``` in the `[mta]` section of `mailman.cfg`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: New Lists Appear in HyperKitty Archives, But No Mail Data is Shown

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/14/25 5:57 AM, Asif Muzammil via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi Mark > > but in my server there is no directory located at var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/, i can see the spool /var/maliman/spool and there is no files in it > So what should I do? I'm not certain where these are in the Debian package, but I think Debian uses the fhs layout in which case that directory is /var/lib/mailman/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ and Mailman's logs are in /var/log/mailman/. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Broken paths

by Mark Sapiro

On 07/13/2016 07:30 AM, Jean-Luc Wasmer wrote: > > Please CC me in your reply as I wasn't able to join this mailing list (I > login by email, get the login.persona.org pop-up, click sign in, the > pop-up closes... but I'm still not logged in). I've seen this issue. I haven't figured it out. Try subscribing by email. Just send a blank email to mailman-users-join(a)mailman3.org (or mailman-users-subscribe(a)mailman3.org. This should result in a confirmation request email and your reply should subscribe you. Let me know if that works? If not, I can add you. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

10 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: footer message

by Mark Sapiro

Sorry for not rep[lying sooner. This got misplaced. On 9/20/18 6:14 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: >>From lists imported by import21, the colon in the files are substituted with underscores. Instead of list:member:regular:footer.txt the file are called list_member_regular_footer.txt The latest import21 doesn't do that any more. > And I wonder why having a footer text makes the mail contain the original HTML message sent to the list as attachment both in .txt and .html and the footer-text from list_member_regular_footer.txt as inline message. See <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030707>. While aimed at Mailman 2.1, much of this is relevant to Mailman 3. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty Authorization Required

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/6/19 5:52 AM, andrew.bernard(a)gmail.com wrote: > Nearly there configuring my first Mailman 3 installation with Postorius and Hyperkiity. This issue eludes me: > > When trying to start a new thread in the archive, we have: > > HyperKitty failure on https://list.jackrail.org/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive: <html><title>Auth required</title><body> > <h1>Authorization Required</h1></body></html> (401) > > I can access this URL just fine" > > https://list.jackrail.org/hyperkitty/api/ > > Where do we look to solve this issue? You have to be logged in to post from HyperKitty. You can't post anonymously. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Trying to set up mailman3 on my mail server

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/15/21 9:32 AM, Mark Dadgar wrote: > > That’s actually why I paid someone to do in the initial install. While I have 3+ decades of UNIX-like admin experience, I am not even remotely well-versed in Python and its ecosystem and/or Docker. > > Unfortunately, the person I hired, who did a great job and has contributed mightily to this community, is no longer with us. He did however post a writeup at <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10>. There is also <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xIcSsoNFp2nHi7r4eQys00s9a0k2sHhu1V5Plan…> from another user. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman notify generating emails for request that aren't visible.

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/31/21 7:29 PM, Simon Coggins wrote: > Thats part of the issue. It looks like these are in the PendingsDB but > not showing up in the UI. Even if I go into Subscription Requests -> > Pending Approvals or Pending Confirmations no pending items are shown at > all. But in the pendingDB via mailman shell I can see 3 pending > unsubscriptions. Both of those only show subscription requests either waiting moderator approval or waiting user confirmation. You have to go to `Unsubscription Requests` to see the unsubscriptions. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman will not restart

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/8/23 12:34, peter(a)chubb.wattle.id.au wrote: >>>>>> "Christian" == Christian via Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> writes: > > Christian> , line 36, in <module> Mar 08 20:17:45 > Christian> zarathustra.ccalternatives.org mailman[31893]: from > Christian> typing_extensions import Concatenate as Concatenate # 3.10 > > You probably need to update the typing_extensions package. inside your > venv. Yes, but why? Something upgraded sqlalchemy > 2.0 but didn't install all its dependencies. The latest versions of sqlalchemy require typing-extensions but sqlalchemy<2.0 didn't require that. So in the venv, `pip install typing-extensions` will probably solve this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: emails to list missing from archive after upgrade

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/18/24 19:57, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: > > Ok, I've found them in /var/lib/mailman3/archives/hyperkitty/spool, so > it does seem like the issue is the indexer hasn't run. Not sure what > process controls that. That's not the issue. There was an exception in mailman-hyperkitty's communication with HyperKitty. You will find the errors and tracebacks in mailman.log. Once you fix the issue, whatever it is, the messages will be archived. mailman-hyperkitty retries all the messages in /var/lib/mailman3/archives/hyperkitty/spool with each new post. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating from old V2 server to new V3 server. Questions.

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/2/24 17:32, jkoral(a)luc.edu wrote: > Thank you for all your help. It seems to be attempting to forward, but I don't think the new server is receiving messages. I can send out from the server, but it is just not taking delivery. Any suggestions for what I can look at. Also, this server is behind an F5 so it has a local IP address and a Virtual IP address. The virtual IP address has the fully qualified domain name. Look at the MTA logs on both servers. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: New Lists Appear in HyperKitty Archives, But No Mail Data is Shown

by Mark Sapiro

On July 14, 2025 1:04:37 PM EDT, Asif Muzammil via Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: >Hi rON >yes i am install venv and found the path /opt/mailman/mm/archives/hyperkitty/spool/75774848.12344400409.pck >now how should i confirm that there is any data available in this file because i check in mailmanweb DB in hyperkitty_email table there is no data over there Those .pck files are messages queued for delivery to hyperkitty. They are actually retried on each new post. Once you fix the underlying issue, they will be delivered to hyperkitty. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Generic Cannot connect to SMTP server error, no outgoing smtp connections

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/4/26 6:09 AM, Stefan Bauer via Mailman-users wrote: > Dear Users, > > I'm debugging since several days a mailman3 installation and can not get > mailman to deliver mails to list members. > > Mailman logs Cannot connect to SMTP server, however the server is > listening, but i see no connection attempts. This issue with unobtainable templates and a misleading log message is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/514> and the logging is improved for the next release by <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1362>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 Issue

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/13/18 7:53 AM, jon.kokko(a)us.fujitsu.com wrote: > Here's the log output: > > Jul 13 08:45:45 2018 (86892) REST request handler error: > Traceback (most recent call last): ... > File "/atldata/venv-3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty-1.1.1-py3.5.egg/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 81, in _load_conf > config.archiver.hyperkitty.configuration) > File "/atldata/venv-3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 337, in external_configuration > raise MissingConfigurationFileError(path) > mailman.interfaces.configuration.MissingConfigurationFileError: changeme In your mailman.cfg file you have something like [archiver.hyperkitty] class: mailman_hyperkitty.Archiver enable: yes configuration: changeme That last line needs to point to the mailman-hyperkitty.cfg file, e.g. configuration: /path/to/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS - Best Installation Method?

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/9/20 10:26 AM, matthew(a)alberti.us wrote: > > Next I tried to use the virtualenv method, as that was recommended for production anyway by Mailman installation documentation. I couldn't get that to work either, as there is again some known issue between one of the django packages and another python package called 'six'. Actually this just came up (again) in another thread. See <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> The current stable release of Haystack is not compatible with Django >= 3.0. See the post above for work-arounds. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: ham-confirm+3ee85b006eeb5897ca6f53b093cb063672f6a784@example.com

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/17/21 2:12 AM, Jörg Klein wrote: > Here the second try. The email will be deliverd. But I can not confirm the mail. How to configure the email-address xxx-owner(a)example.com or ham-confirm+c56ac3f61561fc11239897d602956f62b3ca5670(a)example.com? This is an MTA question. What is your MTA? How does it deliver to Mailman. As I said in my reply at <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…>, you need to deliver all of LISTNAME(a)example.com LISTNAME-bounces(a)example.com LISTNAME-confirm(a)example.com LISTNAME-join(a)example.com LISTNAME-leave(a)example.com LISTNAME-owner(a)example.com LISTNAME-request(a)example.com LISTNAME-subscribe(a)example.com LISTNAME-unsubscribe(a)example.com for every list. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Disable user registration

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/20/21 6:22 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > One obvious approach is to add "^.$" to each list's ban list > (eventually that should be configurable as a list style, so "easy" to > make domainwide or sitewide), but that doesn't stop people from > creating users via Postorius. One way to address that would be to > clean out users with no subscriptions once a week or so. I think you mean "^.*$", but that won't work as being banned means you can't be added to the list by any means and you can't post. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Exception with processing subscription confirmation email

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/29/21 11:48 AM, Eric Broens wrote: > Thanks Mark, > > We are indeed running mailman core 3.3.2 and using mysql. > The data appears indeed to be truncated judging from the missing closing > curly bracket (see below). > > Would it be OK to already extend the data column to VARCHAR(510) before > upgrading to mailman core 3.3.3, or will this cause problems with upgrading > to a newer version? Yes, that's fine. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/793>, <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/730> and <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: DKIM signatures with message footers or subject prefixes

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/14/22 04:07, Stanisław Findeisen via Mailman-users wrote: > Thank you for your clarification. I am now wildcard (*) DKIM-signing the (arbitrary) From: address domain with the host domain key. However my mailing list is a virtual host (actually there are several of them), which is different than the host domain. Do you know if such a setup is harmful? Or if there is a way to select the VHOST key? This is Postfix + OpenDKIM. In your opendkim.conf set SenderHeaders List-Post,Sender,From See the MAILING LISTS section in http://www.opendkim.org/opendkim-README -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderate first postings of new members

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/3/22 04:55, c.buhtz(a)posteo.jp wrote: > > What I want is that I would like to moderate the messages of new > subscribed members until I set them to auto-accept all messages. I want > to see what a new member is posting before it is send/accepted to the list. Set "Default action to take when a member posts to the list" to "Hold for moderation" Then, in the held messages view, click the subject and in the resultant dialog, select "Default processing" from the "set member moderation" dropdown and Accept the message. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Delete Django profiles not signed up to a list

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/31/23 17:01, Allan Hansen wrote: > Mark, > > Will this be part of an upcoming update or micro update to Mailman? It might be in Mailman's contrib directory at some point, but probably not. There are many scripts at https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/ (mirrored at https://fog.ccsf.edu/~msapiro/scripts/) that people may find useful. These are mostly things that I have developed in response to mailing list questions or for my own purposes and the majority are Mailman 2.1 specific. They were never intended to be part of a release. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: REST API http://.../3.1/users/../preferred_address returns 404 for GET and POST

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/13/23 05:07, Eric Vyncke wrote: > > /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log of course has an exception about this 404 result code. > > Using the MM3 shell, the preferred_address can be displayed and even modified. There are also good values in the MySQL database. Other API endpoints for users work fine (preferences, addresses, ...) In Mailman shell, have you done >>> um = getUtility(IUserManager) >>> usr = um.get_user_by_id('d5...94') >>> usr.preferred_address Where 'd5...94' is the full uuid from the mailman.log entries? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman 3 Privacy Policies, GDPR, etc and social logins

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/19/23 6:22 AM, Jered Floyd wrote: > > This is a bit of a headache. Do we have a draft of a community Privacy Policy for a vanilla Mailman 3 install that meets Facebook's requirements? Is this going to be a constantly unraveling thread of future GDPR and Right to Be Forgotten troubles, since there doesn't seem to be an easy way to scrub a subscriber from Hyperkitty archives if they request so? How have others addressed this situation? I use https://www.list.org/privacy.html which appears to satisfy Facebook. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Question: as Admin, I disabled the self-registration via settings.py. What is the correct method to register a few new users now?

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/1/25 12:27, Wikinaut wrote: > > Question: is there a better method for admins to register a few new persons to Hyperkitty/Postorius so that they can act as owners and moderators of some of the lists? You can add Users and their email addresses via the Django admin web ui normally at a url like https://example.com/admin/ but see your top level urls.py. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

11 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: I did something stupid. Can i back out of it?

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/19/22 14:06, William Oliver wrote: > > So.. as an aside, it was a bit of a hassle to copy and paste all the > usernames from the "Users" list in Postorius to the "Mass subscribe." > The only way I could see to do it was copy and paste them one at a > time. Postorius Users -> Members view has a CSV Export button. That exports a CSV with all the member addresses. It's actually just a flat list as it only has one column. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/24/22 23:56, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Onyeibo Oku writes: > > > This is speculation. Perhaps I should try another > > installation method other than Virtual. > > If the permissions and ownerships are in fact correct as you report, > that's going to be a lot of work for a very low probability of > success. I agree. I think at this point if you can't solve this by disabling or configuring SELinux, you should be using Fedora support resources to ask why your systemd service does not seem to honor `User=`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailing list welcome message won't update

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/14/25 15:00, via Mailman-users wrote: > > The below database query: > mailmandb=> SELECT uri FROM template WHERE name = 'list:user:notice:welcome' AND context = '[redacted].lists.[redacted].org.au'; > > produced output: > > uri > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > file:///var/lib/mailman3/templates/lists/[redacted].lists.[redacted].org.au/en/list:user:notice:welcome > (1 row) > > Looks to be exactly the same as in the settings for that particular mailing list. Does the actual file have a .txt extension. It needs that even though the uri in the template table doesn't have that. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Join a Mailman 3 list?

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/2/25 17:19, Cathryn McGuire wrote: > > Might someone invite us to temporarily join their group so we can see how Mailman 3 operates from the point of view of members? You are a member of this list, mailman-users(a)mailman3.org. It is a standard, mailman3 list albeit it runs on the latest, pre-release software. You have now posted twice to this list and I think this is the third reply to your posts. What is it you are looking for with "someone invite us to temporarily join their group" beyond what you have as a member of this list? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Gmail emails bouncing - anybody seen this problem?

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/13/19 3:37 PM, worik wrote: > When a outbound email bounces where is the carcass? Gone. > Google is asking me for all the headers, and since this email bounced I > do not have a handy copy. Presumably this is list mail so your list copy should be the same except for the few headers related to delivery from Mailman to you. Also, if you have the 'prototype' archiver enabled, you will find the message with all headers up to the point,it was sent from Mailman in mailman's var/archives/prototype/LIST_ADDRESS/new/ directory. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to turn off Emergency Moderation for imported MM2 lists?

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/27/20 3:38 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > I recently imported a number of MM2 lists into MM3. Unfortunately, the person had emergency moderation turned on for these lists. Since EM is not exposed to Postorius what can be done to reverse this? To do one list: mailman shell -l <list-id> m.emergency = False commit() To do several lists: mailman shell from mailman.models.mailinglist import MailingList mlist = MailingList('first.list.id') mlist.emergency = False commit() mlist = MailingList('second.list.id') mlist.emergency = False commit() And so on for more lists. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3-web MailingList matching query does not exist.

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/11/20 5:20 AM, Loïc Dachary wrote: > Hi, > > The logs of mailman3-web are flooded with the following error. I suspect this is because I removed some mailing lists (using the hyperkitty web interface and the delete button) and the cache still references them. > Is there a job supposed to fix this at some point ? > > Thanks in advance for any tip you can share :-) Have you tried stopping and restarting qcluster? See <https://django-q.readthedocs.io/en/latest/cluster.html> and <https://django-q.readthedocs.io/en/latest/architecture.html#stop-procedure>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: migration

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/30/21 1:10 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: > > I am not at all fluent in django interactions (I'm still > not entirely sure of what django actually *is*) so I have some reading > to do. Any pointers on "django wrangling for n00bs" would be great. As > I mentioned, I've not been hacking on mm3, just using it. I'm an > accomplished programmer, but embedded C and assembler are a few galaxies > away from python and web services! Django is a Python based web framework. It is the framework used to support HyperKitty and Postorius. To learn more, start at https://www.djangoproject.com/ -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: Python is updated

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/27/23 12:18 PM, Lars Bjørndal wrote: > > No. But the traceback is: > > Traceback (most recent call last): ... > File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/sqlalchemy/dialects/postgresql/psycopg2.py", line 669, in import_dbapi > import psycopg2 > File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2/__init__.py", line 51, in <module> > from psycopg2._psycopg import ( # noqa > SystemError: initialization of _psycopg raised unreported exception > > Do I need to upgrade the database? If so, how do I do that? This appears to be an issue with psycopg2 itself. What happens if you activate your venv and do python -c 'import psycopg2' -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Unadvertised lists accessible even if not signed in

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/5/26 12:54, Peter Chubb via Mailman-users wrote: > > How can I prevent anyone not logged in, and not a member of an > unadvertised list, from seeing it? You could probably modify code to do that. For Postorius, the mods would probably be in the ListSummaryView class in postorius/views/list.py. It seems to me that in the general case, this would not be desirable as it would prevent things like a user being told out of band that they should go to, e.g., https://www.example.com/mailman3/lists/unadvertized.example.com/ and subscribe. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty archives - new list not archived

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/3/18 9:15 AM, vaarcilal(a)eafit.edu.co wrote: > > I'm having problems related to hyperkitty on which I'd really appreciate some help. When I try to access the archives of a mailing list named 'test-nov' it redirects me to 'example.com/hyperkitty/list/test-nov@example.com/', where a 404 appears and a 'No archived mailing-list by that name.' message is thrown by hyperkitty.views.mlist.overview. Are you running the Django periodic tasks? See <http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html#scheduled-tasks-required>, In particular, I think the hourly "new_lists_from_mailman" job is what you need. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: FILTER_VHOST for 3.2.1 not working after install

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/8/20 2:33 AM, Élodie BOSSIER via Mailman-users wrote: > > I would like with Mailman 3.2.1 see into : > - "example1.com/postorius/lists/" only the mailing list related to example1, > - and into "example2.com/postorius/lists/" only the mailing list related > to example2 as Mailman 2.1.x do it. > > I don't understand what I missed, could you help me please ? It works for me. I suspect in your case it has something to do with how ngnix is set up to forward to Django. What are your nginx settings for this? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderated Signup with "info" box?

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/7/20 8:01 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > > Keep in mind that Mailman 3's REST API is only accessible locally. So to > access Mailman 3's REST API from another server is not remotely > possible. (see what I did there?) The REST API is only accessible locally by default. It is certainly possible to configure the webservice section of mailman.cfg to be able to access it remotely - if you do this, be sure not to use the default admin_pass. There is also an authenticating REST proxy project called lemme (possibly abandoned) at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/lemme>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Username being set to givenname for socialaccount login

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/22/21 12:13 PM, Andreas Barth wrote: > > Does that mean, not having an user name would work for mailman? I > always thought having an user name was required Mailman core has no concept of username. Core understands users and addresses and both users and addresses have an associated display_name which can be any string or None, but this display_name is only text and is not required. Django also has a concept of user and one can log in to Django either by address or user, but only the address relates to Mailman core. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating to Mailman3

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/19/25 08:49, Dennis Putnam via Mailman-users wrote: > > I found the docs for MySQL and I THINK I have it working. However this > line from the status is concerning: > > *Oct 19 15:41:29 dap002 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Can't open PID > file /opt/mailman/mm/var/master.pid (yet?) after start: No such file or > directory* This is not a concern as long as /opt/mailman/mm/var/master.pid exists now and contains the PID of the running master process. The message occurs because systemd checks before the master has created. That's why there is a (yet?) in the message. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Reject with notification not working

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/25/26 4:00 AM, MegaBrutal via Mailman-users wrote: > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> ezt írta (időpont: 2026. márc. 24., K, 8:26): > >> What is the moderation action for the address you posted from? >> > > I posted if from a member address, and members are set to "Reject (with > notification)". The message didn't get to the list (as expected), but no > notification was sent either – basically the action was like if I set > "Discard (no notification)". As the list owner go to Users->Members in Postorius and click the address you posted from. Scroll to the bottom of the page. What is the setting for Moderation? > Also I created my list as "Announce only", but this didn't seem to have any > effect either. I thought it would create a mailing list that's preset to > behave like a newsletter, but it just created an ordinary list where all > members can post, and I manually needed to set that I don't accept e-mails > from members. I'm puzzled why it even asks for a "List style" in the first > place. The difference between an ordinary discussion style and an announce only style is the list attribute allow_list_posts is set False rather than True. This only controls whether or not the List-Post: header in outgoing mail contains the list's posting address or the word NO. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Moving mm2 mail archives to mm3

by Mark Sapiro

On 07/20/2017 01:20 PM, Tom Browder wrote: > Is there any way to move my old mm2 archives to mm3? Yes. Once you have HyperKitty and Mailman 3 installed, you use the 'django-admin hyperkitty_import' command to import, e.g., the MM 2 archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox file to HyperKitty. See 'django-admin hyperkitty_import --help' for more info. Note that if there are already posts archived on the MM 3 list, you will need the '--since DATE' option with an early date because the default is to not import anything older than the most recent post in the current archive. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 years

[MM3-users] Re: invalid parameter response of the rest-api

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/21/22 16:14, gioklr71(a)gmail.com wrote: > Hi Mark. > I put a > print_dict(email_D) > and ALL records are > email; (name surname) > and no empty values are present. To be sure I've modified code... > > for mail, nom in email_D.items(): # Loop over Dictionary items (Email, Name) > if (mail) and (nom): > print(info.subscribe(mail, nom, pre_verified=True, pre_confirmed=True, send_welcome_message=False, pre_approved=True)) What are actually passing. mail may not be empty, but it is not a valid email address as checked by https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/email/validate… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Django: An error occurred while processing your request.

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/26/25 12:08 PM, Florian Sukup wrote: > > When I received emails from postorius, then it came from example.com > which is nonsense as I worked with the real lists. So I deleted > example.com. Set DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL and SERVER_EMAIL appropriately in your Django settings. > When I call https://.../mailman3/admin or any of the lists, the result is: > Server error > An error occurred while processing your request. You need to set SITE_ID appropriately in your Django settings. See https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/faq.html#the-domain-name-displayed-in-h… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: After server upgrade debian 11→12 and reinstalling everything in (venv), I got this error when accessing → mailman3/lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/16/25 7:30 PM, Wikinaut wrote: > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 160, in call > raise HTTPError(params.get('url'), response.status_code, > urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 500: {"title": "500 Internal Server Error"} > ERROR 2025-08-16 19:26:03,720 6588 django.request Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/mylist.myserver.tld > > > Can anyone help? Other things do work, including archives, users, domains etc. Is there an associated message in mailman.log? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: How to upgrade to 3.10

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/7/26 08:45, Paul Tomblin via Mailman-users wrote: > >> pip install git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-client@master > > This one is asking for a userid and password. I signed into gitlab with my github sign in, and that userid and password don’t work. I created an auth token on gitlab, and that didn’t work either. Sorry, that should be pip install git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailmanclient@master without the hyphen. Also, I didn't explicitly say before but I think you also need to do pip install git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-web@master to pick up changes to mailman_web/settings/mailman.py -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Language confusion in held mail notifications

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/24/21 12:57 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Mark Sapiro writes: > > On 9/22/21 2:16 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: > > > > After sending a mail to the list as the moderated list user, the > > > resulting notification returned to the users email address is > > > mostly in German, but the reason indicated is in Spanish "El > > > mensaje proviene de un miembro moderado". > > > > > > I am unable to duplicate this in Mailman 3.3.5rc1. > > Is it possible that one of the message catalogs is incomplete, and > something in the environment (LANGUAGE seems like a likely candidate) > is set to a value that uses German when Spanish is unavailable or > vice-versa? Thanks for the hint Steve. There is a Spanish message catalog as evidenced by the fact that the reason was translated to Spanish, but the issue is almost certainly that there is no mailman/templates/es/list:user:notice:post.txt template so we fall back to the one for the list's language. Note that prior to Mailman 3.3.5rc1 there are lots of missing templates and in particular, the 3.3.4 Spanish templates were incorrectly named with `_` rather than `:` in the names. Templates are actually translated in the message catalogs via weblate, but these translations weren't installed in the appropriate templates/ directory. There is now a script at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/update_lang_templates.py to do this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: list footer web customization procedure

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/10/21 10:03 AM, dancab(a)caltech.edu wrote: > Mark, > > Is there a mailman-web command that could be used on a specific list to expire cached entries? The cache is a Mailman core function, not a mailman-web function. If you have Mailman core >= 3.3.5, the task runner deletes expired cache entries every hour or at intervals defined by the `run_tasks_every` setting in the `[mailman]` section of mailman.cfg. For older versions you could run in an interactive `mailman shell` ``` getUtility(ICacheManager).evict_expired() ``` in a script, you'd also need ``` from mailman.interfaces.cache import ICacheManager from zope.component import getUtility ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: All messages to a new list/domain shunted from "in" queue with no logged exceptions

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/25/23 8:01 AM, Jered Floyd wrote: > > I was able to resolve this by going to the "List Settings"->"DMARC Mitigations" config page for the affected list, making no changes, and then clicking "Save Changes". > > This suggests that new lists in 3.3.9 may be getting mlist.dmarc_addresses set to None rather than an empty list (which seems to be expected). You beat me to it, but your analysis is correct. I'll need to fix that. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing Mailman3 under a Python Virtual environment running on RHEL9

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/22/24 11:16 AM, Andy Macheta wrote: > Hi Odhiambo, > Well; looks like I'm much further on thanks to your tips - thanks!! > > So now I can get my local web browser pointing at http://localhost:8000/mailman3/lists/ and I can see my test list. > But, the webpage does not seem right, i.e. the text has loaded but not the images and wondering if anyone has any tips on how to resolve. Did you do the 4 steps beginning at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#run-database-mi… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Spam from non list members

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/19/25 12:14 PM, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > Hello Team, > > I have received spam in the last few days, posted to one of my lists. > The spam is from non-subscribers. I am wondering how this spam makes it to > the list in the first place, and how to stop them. > Below are the headers from one such spam: > ... > X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: header-match-kictanet.lists.kictanet.or.ke-18 What is the action associated with the 18th Header Filters rule for this list? This message matched that rule and I suspect the action is Accept. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

11 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating from SQLite to PostgreSQL

by Mark Sapiro

On 07/17/2018 07:27 PM, Joe Steeve wrote: > > I have an installation on SQLite. I want to migrate it to PostgreSQL. Is that > feasible? Any gotchas I need to watch for? It is feasible. You would need to stop Mailman core and all Django processes including cron jobs and WSGI processes to ensure nothing is accessing the SQLite database, update the database section in mailman.cfg and the DATABASES settings in your Django settings, use SQLite tools to dump the relevant database(s) and PostgreSQL tools to create and load them, and finally restart Mailman core and all Django processes. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 does not send to the members of the lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/12/20 2:41 PM, maszap(a)tin.it wrote: > I can create a list, add members to the list, but when I create a new thread, I only get it on the email from the same domain as the list. While all the other members of the list, they do not receive the thread. > I tried to check the logs, but I don't see anything significant. > What can I check? This is most likely because the outgoing MTA can't deliver/relay to external domains. Check the MTA configuration and logs. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman_web'

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/10/23 09:02, gordon(a)dickens.com wrote: > > So, I put Mark's suggested contents in /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman and then executed the command: > > /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg > > which resulted in the following error message: > >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 5, in <module> >> from mailman.bin.mailman import main >> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman' > > Any more ideas? Your mailman in your venv is broken. With your venv active try ``` pip install --force-reinstall mailman ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: All messages to a new list/domain shunted from "in" queue with no logged exceptions

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/25/23 7:53 AM, Jered Floyd wrote: > > File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/rules/dmarc.py", line 284, in maybe_mitigate > for address in mlist.dmarc_addresses: > TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not iterable > Nov 25 15:49:26 2023 (90) SHUNTING: 1700927366.81852+6d2f84a8eb97e64c3ee93662f1744a2a756c7ca9 > [...] This may be a bug. I need to investigate. Meanwhile, go to the list's settings in Postorius and under DMARC Mitigations, put something in DMARC Addresses, save it and then remove it and save again. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: auto-away notices as bounces

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/29/21 10:19 PM, Andreas Barth wrote: > * Mark Sapiro (mark(a)msapiro.net) [210830 04:30]: > >> That said, bounce processing should treat even a VERPed message as >> unrecognized if it doesn't look like some kind of DSN. This may not >> be the case in MM 3. > > Thanks, that's what I also think. Looking at the returned mail, they > definitly don't look like DSNs / bounces to me. > > > Anything I should be doing re this topic? I've created https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/939 for this. I think this patch will fix it. --- a/src/mailman/runners/bounce.py +++ b/src/mailman/runners/bounce.py @@ -51,13 +51,18 @@ class BounceRunner(Runner): addresses = StandardVERP().get_verp(mlist, msg) if len(addresses) > 0: # Scan the message to see if it contained permanent or temporary - # failures. We'll ignore temporary failures, but even if there - # are no permanent failures, we'll assume VERP bounces are - # permanent. + # failures. We'll ignore temporary failures, and if there + # are no permanent failures, we'll assume this is a vacation + # response or similar. temporary, permanent = all_failures(msg) if len(temporary) > 0: # This was a temporary failure, so just ignore it. return False + if len(permanent) == 0: + log.info('VERPed bounce message but not a recognized DSN: %s', + msg.get('message-id', 'n/a')) + maybe_forward(mlist, msg) + return False else: # See if this was a probe message. addresses = ProbeVERP().get_verp(mlist, msg) (Watch for wrapped lines) -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Subscription requires confirmation when list is set as Open

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/18/24 18:22, Joachim Schrod wrote: > Mark Sapiro writes: >> >> It is not the subscription that requires confirmation. It is the user's >> email address. Even though the list's subscribe policy is open, a >> previously unknown email address has to be confirmed. > > I assume that's the verification that one can turn off in Postorious > `Mass Suscription' with the checkbox "Pre Verified". That is correct. > I maintain a mailing list for a private holiday where people don't > subscribe themselves; I subscribe them. I have vetted their email > address beforehand. (The subscribers are mostly not able to handle a > verification email, nor any email-based workflow at all.) Is there a > configuration option for a mailing list that sets "Pre Verified" to > true as a default? This is https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/563 it was fixed by https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/930 which was later extended by https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/945 however these are not available until Postorius 1.3.14 which is not yet released. These add a setting, POSTORIUS_DEFAULTS, which can be used to set these defaults. E.g., setting POSTORIUS_DEFAULTS = {'mass_subscription_pre_verify': True} will set the default for Pre Verified to True. So far, the only defaults that can be set in this manner are mass_subscription_pre_confirm, mass_subscription_pre_approve, mass_subscription_pre_verify and mass_subscription_invite and those not until Postorius 1.3.14, but more may be added. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman 3 adding extraneous /var/ to pid path?

by Mark Sapiro

On 09/21/2017 01:29 PM, Andrew Hodder wrote: > > I keep getting around this by creating symlinks to the pid file and then > the stop works, but it's getting silly. It seems like mailman just assumes > CWD + /var/ + master.pid must be the location. Once I realized this, I > found I can do "mailman stop" so long as I'm only in /opt/mailman/ (since > it'd then add /var/master.pid). But that seems a little nonsensical. That is the normal expected behavior if devmode is enabled. Check your configs for this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Using external services for deliverability?

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/3/20 7:27 AM, Tom @ Gather wrote: > Thank you both for the help. I have SPF and reverse DNS setup. But I > thought DKIM is no help because Mailman rewrites the email headers? In most cases, Mailman will make transformations to the message which will break any incoming DKIM signature, but you still want to DKIM sign your outgoing mail with your own domain's DKIM signature. This will not in itself allow list messages to pass DMARC which is why Mailman has DMARC mitigations, but it will still provide a valid DKIM signature from you which will help with deliverability. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: User display name entry field input ignored

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/26/22 08:03, Christian via Mailman-users wrote: > Whether I try and add users using mass subscribe, or individually, it seems > the display name field entry is ignored. The default is then "none" for the > user. Please advise. Thank you! If the address you are mass subscribing is already known to mailman, i.e., is an existing user, it is that user that will be subscribed with that user's display name, even if it is None. If that address is not an existing user, the user will be subscribed with the display name you provide. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Held message notifications ending up in junk

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/14/22 10:52, Tibor Molnar wrote: > Hi all, > > After I put in a DKIM record for the specific domain the sender now gets notification about held messages in inbox, however the admin or owner of the list is still receiving notifications to the junk folder. I have tried to put in DKIM record under the owners domain also but it did not changed anything. Would you have any other suggestions on this? Are the admin notices DKIM signed? If not, and if you are using opendkim see the MAILING LISTS section at http://www.opendkim.org/opendkim-README -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: HyperKitty failure: {"error": "'Thread' instance needs to have a primary key value before this relationship can be used."} (400)

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/19/22 21:03, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > armin.schoeffmann(a)aegaeon.de writes: > > > quick test - your guess is correct: > > Django 4.1.x is the culprit. Downgrading to 4.0.8 brought > > hyperkitty back to life. > > I did not expect that! I really thought you'd have to go to 3.x. It is a 4.1 issue and is now fixed https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/merge_requests/467 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] New Mailman Core Release

by Mark Sapiro

We are pleased to announce the release of Mailman core 3.3.7. It is published to PyPI and you can find links to all the PyPI projects: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ The change log is at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.… - please note the `BREAKING CHANGE` documented there and due to our now using SQLAlchemy >-1.4. Finally, the minimum Python version required is 3.7 although, 3.9 is recommended if you are doing a new install for longest support. 3.10 is supported for Django apps, but Mailman Core is missing that due to one of the core dependencies (aiosmtpd) not supporting 3.10 yet. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Only allow users to subscribe from certain domains

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/23/23 8:33 AM, bob B via Mailman-users wrote: > Does Mailman have anyway to just allow users to subscribe themselves to a list from certain domains... ie any user from test.com or test2.com No. Mailman 2.1 has a feature which when subscription requests require moderator approval, requests from addresses matching regexps like, e.g., '^.*(a)test\.com$' can be automatically approved, but this isn't exactly what you are looking for as requests from other domains would still be held for approval, and any way, this feature has not yet been implemented in MM 3. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty href url to css cache files is not correct

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/5/23 08:37, Alexander Maier wrote: > > I recognized that hyperkitty creates for each new access to its website a css CACHE file which is stored at '/static/CACHE/css/'. > The url in the HTML file sets the href to /static/CACHE/css/ but the files are only accessible with '/hyperkitty/static/CACHE/css/'. What are your Django settings for BASE_DIR STATIC_ROOT STATIC_URL STATICFILES_DIRS STATICFILES_FINDERS Also in your web server, you need to alias the STATIC_URL value to the STATIC_ROOT value and finally run the Django admin command `collectstatic --clear --noinput` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem with digests not being sent daily

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/21/24 02:07, Mark wrote: > > That's the problem. The mmdf files don't exist in the list's directory > although there have been many posts to the list throughout the day. Assuming your mailman/app/digests.py is unmodified, there is some race condition. The code beginning at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/app/digests.py… finds the file and size is > 0, but by the time it gets to https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/app/digests.py… the file is gone. What other crons run at the same time? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Can't post to my own list from HyperKitty

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/7/25 17:45, MegaBrutal via Mailman-users wrote: > > So it's even weirder – however, I'm really not sure if this is the address > HyperKitty is checking for, as I have 3 attached to my account! > How may I know which one it's trying to use? If you go to https://example.com/user-profile/ what Primary email and Other emails do you see? Do you see all three? And if you go to https://example.com/mailman3/users and click Manage for your address, do you see all 3 under Addresses? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: [Bug] Someone not a member of list is treated as member - strange

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/23/25 11:43, Wikinaut wrote: > CORRECTION > > Didn't I say, that I was not member of the list? I need to double-check, but treating any of n addresses of a user as automatically treating that user as "member" is not very logical behaviour. Of course it is logical. You, the person, are a member of the list so you post to the list should be treated as from a member regardless of which of your addresses it comes from. Why is that a problem? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

11 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Advice on upgrading..

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/3/26 6:41 AM, Stephen Daniel wrote: > > I'd like advice on how to migrate mailing lists and archives from the old > install to the new one. Is there a standard procedure? Just point the new installation to the existing database(s) and run the django admin migrate command. > My current implementation uses the Python venv installation method. I'd > prefer a more container-focused installation, but since I don't believe > Mailman 3 has official container images yet, I plan to continue with the > venv approach. Please let me know your thoughts. See https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/docker.html -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 week, 6 days

[MM3-users] Re: Maximum number of recipients error

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/18/19 10:40 AM, brian(a)emwd.com wrote: > I am unable to modify the "Maximum number of recipients" setting. It generates the following error when I click the "save changes" button: > > "An error occured: Unknown attribute: max_num_recipients" > > I am using the docker version of MM3 and its happening on "Postorius Version 1.2.3". Is this a known bug? It works for me. It was added by <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/merge_requests/358>, but it requires Mailman core >= 3.2.1. What's in the docker image you're using? This may be an issue for <https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Welcome Message

by Mark Sapiro

On April 16, 2019 7:09:08 PM CDT, brian(a)emwd.com wrote: >I don't know how do that with a Docker Installation of Mailman. I >believe Python 3 is part of the container. Its not installed natively >on the server. Can you do bin/mailman shell? That would be even better. >I really am starting to hate Mailman 3. Nothing is easy with this >application. I have installed it using Docker, via Ubuntu's repos, and >now I am doing an installation of it from Source (via PiP) and there >are hurdles everywhere. If you're installing via pip you must have Python 3. Your tracebacks show a Python 3 library in /usr/lib/python3.6/ -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.

7 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Suspend a list temporarily

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/31/19 7:20 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > I need a bit of handholding here. What settings do I have to make to reject with a message, and how to make or modify a template with my message containing the reason for temporary list processing suspension? The template to modify is list:user:notice:rejected. This does not seem to be one that can be customized via Postorius so you would need to make a templates/lists/<list.id>/en/list:user:notice:rejected.txt file in Mailman's var/ directory or set a URL for the template as in <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/templates.ht…> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Throttle outgoing emails to a certain rate?

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/21/20 3:24 AM, arvid.teichtmann(a)gmx.de wrote: > Is there a possibility to throttle the sending of outgoing emails to a certain rate, e.g. 100 emails per hour, or to split them up into corresponding chunks? > I run Mailman 2.1.33 on a hosted server and the provider only allows me to send a maximum of 100 emails per hour. This is not the list for Mailman 2.1 questions. The Mailman 2.1 list is mailman-users(a)python.org <https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/>. That said, for Mailman 2.1 see the FAQ article at <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030607>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: File "/usr/lib/python2.7/httplib.py", line 1148, in getresponse raise ResponseNotReady()

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/10/20 12:12 AM, r.woithe(a)callassoftware.com wrote: > UPDATE > mailman3 woks now under python3 but i still get the nightly email, now with an other file but with the same result: > > File "/usr/lib/python3.8/http/client.py", line 1322, in getresponse > raise ResponseNotReady(self.__state) > http.client.ResponseNotReady: Request-started > ERROR OCCURED IN DAILY JOB: sync_mailman (APP: hyperkitty) > > anybody can help ? See my reply at <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> > additionally should i set COMPRESS_OFFLINE to false again? No. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Struggle on upgrading mailman3-web to new version - Not Found: /mailman//

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/25/21 9:06 AM, Stefan Bauer wrote: > So i fixed it by myself, just think about it again. > ProxyPass /mailman3 unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost/ > > Note the trailing slash at the end. > After removing it, the webinterface is up again. > But i have no idea, why this is NOW a problem and was not in the past. > Maybe something has changed in the way, apache is handling this now. The issue is with uWSGI and a recent upgrade to uWSGI is what caused it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hacking attempts?

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/14/22 5:19 AM, Lists via Mailman-users wrote: > > Also, this error doesn’t appear in the MM or Apache logs, it just gets emailed, so I am going to have to figure out how to turn on the appropriate logging in order to get fail2ban to monitor it. Any pointers in this regard would be gratefully received. This error comes from Django. Django logging is configured in its settings, i.e. settings[_local].py or whereever you have them. I am curently traveling and on my way home and don't have time to provide more details, but if you need help, ask and I or someone will respond. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: out queue backlog and delivery rate

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/6/22 16:14, dancab(a)caltech.edu wrote: > Mark, we've been testing some adjustments to Postfix. We're especially overwhelmed when several large lists are being processed within the space for 10-30 minute. You can see the added delay in the log output below when 2 distinct messages arrive within a couple of minutes of each other. The second message ended up being delayed by over 20 minutes. We have multiple lists with member over 500 members. So we've had scenarios where the backlog quickly increases to an hour. > > Any thoughts? Slice the out queue. at least 4 slices. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman issues after re-boot

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/5/23 18:04, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > This is a webserver vulnerability mitigation, and I'm seeing the same > HTTP statis on mailman3.org when I go to moderate these lists. I > suspect a Django bug (or barely possible, change in Django's > configuration that we need to update to). But I don't know for sure > what's going on there. Pretty sure it's nothing you did wrong though. I see it too now for some things on mailman3.org. It apparently just started there when I upgraded Django from 3.2 to 4.2. I'll investigate. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Question: as Admin, I disabled the self-registration via settings.py. What is the correct method to register a few new users now?

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/2/25 04:27, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > On Mon, Sep 1, 2025 at 10:27 PM Wikinaut <mail(a)tgries.de> wrote: > >> Disabled by line ACCOUNT_ADAPTER = >> 'django_mailman3.views.user_adapter.DisableSignupAdapter' >> (via https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/merge_requests/129 ) > > Would you be able to do this on a per-domain basis? See the thread at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

11 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Residual signature?

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/28/26 03:30, Paul Tomblin via Mailman-users wrote: > One of my mailing lists that I converted over from my Mailman 2 instance doesn’t get used much. Well, something momentous happened and it got several messages overnight, and I noticed something odd about them. Every one has the signature “— \nAdministration:”. This looks like a fragment of the signature that Mailman 2 used to put on them, but I can’t figure out where it’s configured. There’s nothing in the list or domain template list that would do that. How can I stop it doing that? Look in /path/to/mailman/var/templates/lists/<LIST-ID>/en/ for a list:member:regular:footer.txt template. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Discard all mail with the subject "The resutls of your email commands"

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/28/20 7:43 AM, w.schoener(a)alp.dillingen.de wrote: > Hello Mark, > thank you for your hint. This is not my choice but is wanted by my collegues. I discussed it already... > > I commented out the line in command.py and the "result of email commands" mail still was send. > Exists there a kind of cache, or do I just have to wait some time, until this works? > Thank you so much, > Wolfgang Did you restart Mailman core? You need to do that. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Restore/export existing Mailman lists + hyperkitty archives on a new server

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/5/22 10:13, Kimmo L wrote: > Okay. Maybe i should to the same and replace my existing configuration with gunicorn. > Is it complicated to do that change ? I ask because this gunicorn term is quite new for me. You already have gunicorn installed because Mailman core uses it to support the REST interface. For configuration see https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience. In particular, see the `Recommended Configuration` section items labeled `if using Gunicorn:` for sample gunicorn.conf and Script to start Gunicorn. Also, the `Web Server` and `Running Things` sections. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman-web showing "An error occurred while processing your request."

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/9/23 07:57, C. Souza wrote: > > Just for curiosity, does anyone know the reasons for this kind of problem > and how to avoid it? Cause: Something in the specific email message. Avoidance: Possibly if we knew what the specific issue was or could see the held messages as displayed by the mailman shell script I provided, we could detect the issue and do something about it. Possibly Postorius could catch this and be more graceful about it, but again we'd probably need a message that triggers this issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Default templates

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/8/23 16:01, Steve Brown wrote: > I'm new to this list and newly a Mailman list administrator. I know I can customize message templates and have done so for my list's Welcome message. My problem is knowing what I'm replacing when I create a "new" template. How/where can I see he default content? The fact that Postorius doesn't show it to you is https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/366 The defaults are in your installation at mailman/templates/en/ or in GitLab at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/tree/master/src/mailman/templates/en or in the directory https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/tree/master/src/mailman/templates/ for other languages. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Disabled by bounce

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/2/23 04:54, Danil Smirnov wrote: > Hi Mark > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 9:28 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> Yes and no. If 'Bounce info stale after' is set to 3d and no bounces for >> a user are received in a 3 day period, the user's bounce score is not >> immediately reset, but it will be reset (to 1) the next time a bounce is >> received for the user. I.e., it is effectively the same thing unless you >> are looking at the user's bounce score which doesn't change until the >> next bounce. >> > > Isn't this a bug? We are now showing users' bounce scores on the Members > page and this would be misleading. Is it difficult from internals > perspective to have the bounce score reset immediately? Yes, it is not difficult, but it's a lot of processing. It would require something like a task runner task to periodically look at each row in the member table and if the bounce score is > 0, find the associated list's bounce_info_stale_after and if last_bounce_received + bounce_info_stale_after < now, reset the score. Consider a site like mail.python.org that at this moment has 79024 rows in the member table and 7531 of those have bounce_score > 0. That's a lot of processing, and is it really an issue to show a non-zero bounce score that's stale? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Message does not appear in archive

by Mark Sapiro

On 08/30/2018 02:59 AM, Simon Hanna wrote: > > It is being archived. You can find it here > > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… > > You can see it listed here > > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/2018/8/ > > Hyperkitty has a "little" problem with caching and cache-invalidation... And various searches such as "forum" will also find it. It is unclear why it doesn't appear in the "Recently active discussions" list on the overview even though I've stopped and started qcluster, gunicorn (the wsgi server for Django) and mailman. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: I have issue where it does not send emails on to people in the list I create.

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/30/20 1:09 PM, john_warland(a)hotmail.com wrote: > > I had been concentrating so much on the mailman suite config file as I was sure the answer was a setting in there that I didn't think to double check the mailman.cfg For what it's worth, The actual mail list management, i.e. receiving and delivering posts, only involves Mailman core and your mailman suite config file is only for Postorius and HyperKitty and doesn't affect Mailman core. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Using it with the "smtp2go" email relay service that has special deliverability rules

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/19/23 06:03, golden_rock(a)hotmail.com wrote: > > To make it work, I would have to have something like: > > Sender: bounce-address(a)lists.mailman3.org - untouched > From: original.sender@gmail.com@lists.mailman3.org - change #1 having the From address to be From the list > Reply-To: original.sender(a)gmail.com - change #2 - if someone replies > > Then smtp2go will send the email. In Postorius Settings -> DMARC Mitigations set DMARC mitigation action to Replace From: with list address and set DMARC Mitigate unconditionally to Yes. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Debian Package Install - Ownership and Permissions

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/7/23 09:14, Dave Hall via Mailman-users wrote: > > I'm seeing an interplay between 'list' (the existing Mailman2 user), > www-data (the Apache user) and root. Given that it seems like almost > everything that's part of mailman3-web/django/hyperkitty is running in > uwsgi, should I maybe change /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini to use 'list' as the > uid/gid rather than www-data and then also change any user/group permission > to 'list' as well? With the Debian packages, all Mailman processes including Django, HyperKitty, Postorius, etc. should run as user `list`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Held messages not delivered after approval

by Mark Sapiro

On August 2025 1:22 a.m. Stephan Krinetzki wrote: > And then there is a logrotate: > ... > postrotate > if [ -f /opt/mailman/var/master.pid ]; then /bin/systemctl restart mailman.service > /dev/null; fi You should be aware that blindly restarting Mailman can result in duplicate messages to list members and possibly other issues. In particular if outgoing runner is processing a message and has already delivered one or more chunks to the MTA, a restart will cause outgoing runner to stop and upon restart, deliver to the entire recipient list resulting in duplicates for those recipients already sent to the MTA. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: See list of subscribers

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/27/24 00:38, Tom Yates wrote: > > I have a list, as admin under "Settings" -> "List Identity" -> "Members > List Visibility" I have it set to "Only Mailinglist Members". > > But a random subscriber, who's signed up and authenticated, when she > visits the list page she sees her subscription, but no option to list > the other subscribers. > > Is she looking in the wrong place? Do I need to open up more settings? > Am I just being an idiot? This is https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/369 fixed in Postorius 1.3.9 by https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/770 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing Mailman3 under a Python Virtual environment running on RHEL9

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/22/24 11:31 AM, Andy Macheta wrote: > Hi Mark, > > Thanks; yes those 4 steps were performed. > It looks like all the web pages are displaying is just text; so there's no background (apart from white) and no icons or graphics....almost like CCS is not being recognized perhaps. If pages are not styled and you have run the collectstatic and compress jobs, the most likely cause is your web server not finding the static/ directory. See https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#apache-configur… and check your Apache logs for 404s -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Several Postorius errors over the weekend

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/14/24 02:59, Andrew Hodgson wrote: > Hi. > > I've had several Postorius error messages which have resulted in an email. Is this someone up to mischief or have I missed a configuration somewhere? We had several of these over a short period and nothing since then which makes me think someone was running a script on the endpoint, but would be interested in confirmation from those that know better. > > Thanks. > Andrew. > > Internal Server Error: /accounts/login/ > > TemplateDoesNotExist at /accounts/login/ 429.html > > Request Method: HEAD > Request URL: http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/accounts/login/?next=%2F%61%63%63%6F%75%6E%7… Script kiddies at work. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: Bad Request 400 error with nginx/uwsgi install of venv

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/7/25 8:48 PM, zachr(a)mta.ca wrote: > Hello, and thanks in advance for any assistance. > > I followed the installation guide at: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html# > > I opted to use nginx and uwsgi. I can access mailman in the browser at https://SERVER_IP/mailman3 but when I try to use the hostname I get an nginx 400 bad request error. This is probably due to your setting for ALLOWED_HOSTS not including the IP for hostname. Check Django's log which in your installation should be at /opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: postfix_lmtp doesn't exist

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/16/26 12:34 PM, Flo via Mailman-users wrote: > > All looks fine so far but when I insert > > transport_maps = hash:/home/mailman_var/data/postfix_lmtp > local_recipient_maps = hash:/home/mailman_var/data/postfix_lmtp > relay_domains = hash:/home/mailman_var/data/postfix_domains > > to main.cf I get an error when sending emails. Understandable, because > there is no postfix_lmtp available. > > When will it be created? I haven't observed any error at the > installation up to that point. postfix_lmtp and postfix_domains will be created the first time you start Mailman core. You can create them without starting Mailman core with the command ``` mailman aliases ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Domain admin

by Mark Sapiro

On 04/24/2018 11:57 PM, Johannes Winter wrote: > > We would like to give our users the priviledge to create lists per > domain. I Haven't found any options for that in the web interface. > > Is this possible somehow with mailman3? It is not currently possible. From the point of view of Mailman Core, anyone who can run the 'mailman' command or access the REST API can create domains and lists. Postorius could support this in some way and could maintain it's own 'authorized users' data, but it would be better to also add some concept of domain admin to core. These would be significant changes. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman issues after re-boot

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/1/23 11:29, paulrubin37(a)gmail.com wrote: > Thank you , more progress. > > Unfortunately, I did a stupid. Given all the error and what not I got the stupid idea to update the box entirely. The venv is gone and I am unable to re-install it: > > mail:~ # apt install python3-dev python3-venv sassc lynx ... > 'python3-venv' not found in package names. Trying capabilities. > > I have searched google and not found the correct repo to add to fix this. Is there any chance you know? What does `apt list python3-v*` show? What does `python3 -m venv --help` show? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 generates long lines?

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/9/24 13:50, Jörg Schulz wrote: > did you ever find a solution to the issue "maximum allowed line length is 998 octets, got ... "? In the last days, I had some apple iphone originating emails in longish email threads where this happened. I'm not aware of a solution other that fixing the email clients involved. > Can the prototype archiver be activated additionally to hyperkitty or only as alternative? In the latter case: (how) can I archive the messages in question manually afterwards? It can be active additionally to hyperkitty. There's nothing that prohibits all enabled archivers from being active on a list. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Python program to create lists and import settings from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/9/24 15:52, Greg Newby wrote: > ######################################################################## > # Step 3: Import the legacy settings to the newly created list > def do_import(new_list, new_pickle_file): > > # I did not see how to call import21 directly from Python, so am using > # a subprocess which basically uses the CLI syntax. from mailman.utilities.importer import import_config_pck import_config_pck(l, data) # l is from the result of l = create_list(new_list) above # data is the massaged dictionary from above # No need to save it in a new pickle and subprocess `mailman import21` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: Moderator e-mails only going out once a day

by Mark Sapiro

On March 28, 2025 12:06:19 AM GMT+07:00, jkoral(a)luc.edu wrote: >Stephen, >Looking at the queues, I see 27 .pck files under shunt from Nov 14th. Could that be the issue why moderators are not getting their e-mails right away? Can I clear the queue by just deleting these files? For each one of those there will be an error message and a SHUNTING message in mailman.log. The error message with traceback will help you diagnose the issue. You can examine the files with `mailman qfile`. Once you fix the issue causing the exception, you can reprocess the shunted messages with `mailman unshunt`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot Create New List

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/1/25 11:50, dap1--- via Mailman-users wrote: > I didn't see that in the documentation. Anyway, that seems to have worked and I was able to import the list. However, I cannot import the archives. The documentation says to use mailman manage.py but does not say where it is. My search turned up 2, so which do I use? > > ./venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/falcon/bench/dj/manage.py > ./venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_web/manage.py See the note at the bottom of the first section of the docs at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/index.html. With your venv active the command you want is `mailman-web`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Is there a way accept/discard held messages through mailman shell

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/15/20 5:47 AM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: > > But I wanted to know is there any other way to > approve/discard/reject the held messages through "mailman shell" or any > other channel ? Anything that can be done with Mailman core can be done via `mailman shell` To deal with held messages, See <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/app/docs/m…>. This doesn't tell you how to get the ID of a specific request, but see<https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs…>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Database deadlock when trying to delete a member.

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/23/21 3:14 PM, Simon Coggins wrote: > Thanks I’ll give that a try. Also in my tracing of the code I noticed https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/interfaces/dat… it starts with a single quote and ends with triple quotes so the single quote is never terminated. Actually, that's a typo, but it's not an error. in Python, two strings without an intervening operator are just concatenated, so "Interface for creating new databases.""" is just "Interface for creating new databases." concatenated with "" (the null string). -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problems with hyperkitty

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/15/21 1:05 AM, Lucia Moreno wrote: > Dear mailman support, > We have an issue with hyperkitty. > In the last month the space used by hyperkitty_email postgres table has > increased from 54GB to 400GB and it is constantly increasing with no end. > Is there any simple way of knowing what is taking so much space? > Like for example display how much archiving space (or achived emails) is > used by each mailing list? The attached count.py script will go through the hyperkitty_email table and accumulate and report the number of messages and their total size for each list. Various paths may need adjustment. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: How to increase maximum size of the message in mailman

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/31/21 7:06 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > There's no way to configure the LMTP server's message_size_limit in > Mailman; this is a bug but I can't say when it will be fixed. There is no configuration option, but one can apply a patch like: --- a/src/mailman/runners/lmtp.py +++ b/src/mailman/runners/lmtp.py @@ -229,7 +229,7 @@ class LMTPHandler: class LMTPController(Controller): def factory(self): - server = LMTP(self.handler) + server = LMTP(self.handler, data_size_limit=999999999999) server.__ident__ = 'GNU Mailman LMTP runner 2.0' return server See https://aiosmtpd.readthedocs.io/en/latest/smtp.html#aiosmtpd.smtp.SMTP -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Equivalent of listadmin Perl script for Mailman 3?

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/16/21 11:48 PM, Philip Colmer wrote: > Hi > > We're preparing to migrate about 4 Mailman 2 servers to Mailman 3. In doing > so, one of our list administrators has informed us that he uses "listadmin" > (Petter Reinholdtsen: listadmin, the quick way to moderate mailman lists - > nice free software (skolelinux.org) > <http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/listadmin__the_quick_way_to_moderate…> > ) > > Does anyone know if there is an equivalent tool that works with Mailman 3? I'm not aware of any, but others might be (I wasn't aware of `listadmin` before reading this post). -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Python 3.9 support

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/24/22 10:33, dancab(a)caltech.edu wrote: > I just upgraded our Mailman3 system to use Python 3.9. About 6 hours after the deployment there was a PyMySQL error and delivery of messages stopped until I restarted the services. > > I'm pasting the full stack trace error from mailman.log below. It mentions PyMySQL. We have PyMySQL-1.0.2 installed. ... > Feb 23 23:27:10 2022 (300) Uncaught runner exception: (pymysql.err.OperationalError) (1053, 'Server shutdown in progress') What is the status of the mysql server. The above says PyMySQL gets a 'Server shutdown in progress' response from mysqld. What was going on with mysqld at the time of the error? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Importing MBOX from custom listserv to MM3?

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/24/23 3:26 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: > We are looking at moving from a home grown listserv system at a client to potentially MailMan3 for the lists platform instead. > > We have historic thread data from the homegrown systems in mbox form. Is there a way to import that into MM3 for indexing in the archiver there so we dont need to keep the (literally massive) MBOX file? That's what the django admin hyperkitty_import command is for. You can check the mbox for anomalies that might cause issues with the scripts at https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/tree/master/hyperkitty/contrib. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Debug=False breaks Django/MM3-Login-page

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/15/24 02:02, Stefan Bauer via Mailman-users wrote: > > Switching DEBUG=True (currently set in settings.py) to false does indeed > hide additional debugging output, but following pages are not accessible > anymore (Server Error). > > user-profile/ > accounts/logout/ > hyperkitty/ I don't understand why the DEBUB setting would affect this, but in any case, what's in the mailman web logs for these Server Errors? > This is > > Mailman Core-Version GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Installed how? > Mailman Core API-Version 3.1 > Mailman Core Python-Version 3.10.12 (main, Sep 11 2024, 15:47:36) [GCC > 11.4.0] -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: minutely cronjobs: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'settings

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/7/20 4:10 AM, Bjoern Franke wrote: > > on a system running Debian 10 the minutely cronjobs fail since it was > rebooted. The following is the output of > django-admin >/dev/null && django-admin runjobs minutely --pythonpath > /usr/share/mailman3-suite --settings settings > ... > I'm wondering why this module is missing and reinstalled several django > packages, but none of them has explicitly a settings module. The settings module that's missing is your Django settings.py for HyperKitty and Postorius. Based on your command above, it should be found at /usr/share/mailman3-suite/settings.py -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: per domain SITE_ID views?

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/28/21 1:14 PM, David Newman wrote: > Using FILTER_VHOST, I have two domains set up and working with MM3, > Postorius and Hyperkitty. However, because SITE_ID in settings.py points > to one of the domains, that domain name always appears on Postorius and > Hyperkitty pages. ... > How to get the correct domain to appear on that domain's Postorius and > Hyperkitty pages? I don't think the domain is actually displayed on Postorius pages. If I'm wrong, on what Postorius view do you see it? As far as HyperKitty is concerned, please file an issue for this at https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/new -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to use the "recipient_delimiter" postfix parameter with Mailman3?

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/12/22 01:56, Pierre Malard via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi, > > We are using the « recipient_delimiter » parameter with our Postfix server as « _ ». > > Visibly, Mailman have it’s own mail configuration because it doesn’t work know. > > Is it a way to conserv this Postfix functionality? Mailman by default expects the recipient delimiter to be `+`. There are various settings in the [mta] section of mailman.cfg that allow you to change this. These are documented along with default settings at lines 812 - 898 of https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/config/schema.… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: mail stuck in "out" queue

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/16/22 14:42, Dan Caballero wrote: > Thanks Mark. We're using an external host(s) for the outgoing MTA. See settings below. I can advise those sysadmins about your recommendations. Your settings seem fine. [mta] smtp_host: smtp.caltech.edu [mta] smtp_port: 25 sets your outgoing MTA, and [mta] verp_delivery_interval: 1 says VERP every message which impacts performance in that each recipient's message is delivered to the MTA in a separate transaction, but this is what I do as it makes bounce processing more reliable. You might find some of the hits from https://wiki.list.org/FrontPage?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=perform… to be useful. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Held messages page not rendering the message

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/25/23 10:01, mike-mailman(a)earth.li wrote: > > This seems like maybe its a CSS issue? The class of the held-message-modal is "modal fade show" but I am not sure where that is or should be defined (or even if I'm looking at completely the wrong thing. > > Anyone able to suggest where to look? This is bootstrap. See https://www.w3schools.com/bootstrap/bootstrap_modal.asp One possible issue is if you have older bootstrap cached in your browser it could cause problems. It's unlikely considering you've tried different browsers, but try clearing your browser cache. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: localtime() cannot be applied to a naive datetime

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/1/24 3:09 AM, Freerk Bosscha via Mailman-users wrote: > Since yesterday I get the following error-message when I go to the webinterface: And what in your installation changed since yesterday? > ValueError at /admin/login/ > localtime() cannot be applied to a naive datetime > Request Method: GET > Request URL: https://mailman.pgtrynwalden.nl/mailman3/admin/login/?next=/mailman3/admin/ > Django Version: 2.2.28 This Django version is quite old. > ... > mailman info > GNU Mailman 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer) and so is this Mailman version. Do you have USE_TZ = True and a setting for TIME_ZONE in your Django settings? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Disabling the footer on a mailing list: Is this how?

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/28/24 07:13, David Partain via Mailman-users wrote: > From what I've read, I thought the following would do the trick: > > # sudo -u mailman -s /usr/bin/bash > $ source /local/mailman/venv/bin/activate > $ cd ~/var/templates/ > $ mkdir -p lists/test-list.our.domain/en/ > $ cp /dev/null "lists/test-list.our.wee.domain/en/list:member:regular:footer" The file is list:member:regular:footer.txt or if you have no other list:member:*:footer* files, list:member:generic:footer.txt will do both regular ad digest footers. I.e., you are missing the .txt extension. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Suggeested change to the venv installation instructions

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/28/24 4:14 PM, Bill Oliver via Mailman-users wrote: > > After a little searching, I found out that mailman needs to be made the > OWNER of the database, not just granted all privileges. After adding > the commands: > > ALTER DATABASE mailman OWNER TO mailman; > ALTER DATABASE mailmanweb OWNER TO mailman; > > I suggest adding those two lines to the instructions for "Setup > Database" > at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html There's already an MR in progress for this, although the approach there is different. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite-doc/-/merge_requests/160 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius: Search field in lists overview

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/14/25 23:36, Andreas Vetter wrote: > Hi, > is there a way to search lists in Postorius' Lists overview > https://lists.example.com/mailman3/lists/?all-lists > > Well, one can change "results on page" to 200 and then use the search function > of the browser, but that is some more clicks. No, there is no search function for this. If you know the name you are looking for, e.g., list(a)example.com, you can just go to https://lists.example.com/mailman3/lists/list@example.com/ but if you are looking for lists matching a pattern, there is no Postorius function for that. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Server error,An error occurred while processing your request. - SITE_ID

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/21/26 2:19 PM, Flo via Mailman-users wrote: > > I created a new site (my.site.net) in Django, deleted example.com and > changed SITE_ID to 0 in /etc/mailman3/settings.py . > > After restarting mailman3 and mailmanweb services I get > Server error,An error occurred while processing your request. > when I call https://my.site.net/admin again. > > Even if I change SITE_ID back to 1 there is no change. Do this database query on Mailman's database ``` SELECT * FROM django_site; ``` Then set SITE_ID to number associated with your domain. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 month, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Bug in email.generator:_handle_text? [was: store/export existing Mailman lists ...]

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/15/22 20:39, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > What I think is happening is the original message is parsed into a > multipart/alternative Message object with payload of the text/plain and > text/html subparts. Then something deletes the top level Content-Type: > header which makes the message appear to be text/plain, yet > get_payload() still returns the list of two subparts. As an experiment, I did the following ``` $ /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman shell Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. >>> import pickle >>> with open('path/to/shunted/pickle', 'rb') as fp: ... msg = pickle.load(fp) ... msgdata = pickle.load(fp) ... >>> msg Traceback (most recent call last): <snip> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/email/generator.py", line 239, in _handle_text raise TypeError('string payload expected: %s' % type(payload)) TypeError: string payload expected: <class 'list'> >>> msg['MIME-Version'] = '1.0' >>> msg['Content-Type'] = 'multipart/alternative; boundary="aaaabbbb"' >>> msg <displays the message as a string with no exception> >>> ``` I.e., restoring the missing headers allows the message to be properly flattened. I don't think we can blame email.generator:_handle_text for this as we have corrupted the message object by removing the Content-Type: header. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to delete large numbers of held messages

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/22/22 02:11, Chris via Mailman-users wrote: > Mark Sapiro wrote: >>> I suggest the following in mailman shell ``` >> $ bin/mailman shell -l list.example.com >> Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell >> Use commit() to commit changes. >> Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. >> Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. >> The variable 'm' is the list.example.com mailing list >> >>> from mailman.app.moderator import handle_message >> >>> requestdb = IListRequests(m) >> >>> for id, type in requestdb.held_requests: >> ... if type == RequestType.held_message: >> ... handle_message(m, id, Action.discard) >> ... >> >>> commit() ``` > > Thanks for the reply, unfortunately that gives an error: > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "<console>", line 1, in <module> > TypeError: cannot unpack non-iterable _Request object Sorry, my mistake. Try this: ``` $ bin/mailman shell -l list.example.com Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. The variable 'm' is the list.example.com mailing list >>> from mailman.app.moderator import handle_message >>> requestdb = IListRequests(m) >>> for req in requestdb.held_requests: ... if req.request_type == RequestType.held_message: ... handle_message(m, req.id, Action.discard) ... >>> commit() ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Issues with @gmail.com addresses

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/7/23 13:07, Mohsen Masoudfar wrote: > Continuing the troubleshooting, I came around a very long list, over 3000, of "banned addresses" on the 'problem list'. > I wonder if there is a way to delete them programmatically. ``` $ /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman shell -l list.example.com Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. The variable 'm' is the list.example.com mailing list >>> bm = IBanManager(m) >>> for ban in bm.bans: ... bm.unban(ban.email) ... ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Loops back to myself

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/11/24 10:31, simonjwiles(a)gmail.com wrote: > Thank you, yes, I've read all the documentation. My system works properly (`transport_maps`, `local_recipient_maps`, `relay_domains`), I don't think it's an unusual configuration at all. I think the issue is setting relay_domains in postfix. I don't think this is necessary. Try removing that setting from postfix and see if mail to Mailman still works and mail to non-existent addresses is rejected for a more appropriate reason. On the other hand, why is rejection for "Loops back to myself" a problem. Granted it's not a very informative message, but the mail should be rejected anyway. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Rich Text support in Hyperkitty

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/7/19 8:41 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > > I really would like to have this markdown for my lists. How can I enable it? What configuration flag, and where to find it? See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/merge_requests/160> for the merge request that implements it, or see <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/merge_requests/160.diff> for the patch. > Our users in our context also want images, one of the prime reasons for me converting to Mailman. How can I turn that on? Included in the patch is a new doc/rendering.rst file which describes the necessary setting. Of course, this requires the patch to be applied. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: troubleshooting hyperkitty

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/8/20 11:37 PM, Morris Jones wrote: > > I created a mailman-hyperkitty.cfg file in /opt/mailman/var/etc/. You need to set configuration: /opt/mailman/var/etc/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg in the archiver.hyperkitty section of mailman.cfg. > It has a base_url for the "hyperkitty installation," and I'm not sure > where that's supposed to be. The comment says "This address will be used > by Mailman to forward incoming emails to Hyperkitty for archiving." > > I set base_url to http://mailman.whiteoaks.com/hyperkitty (changing > "localhost" from the example). It redirects to https:, If it redirects to https, set it to https to avoid the redirect. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius no connection to REST API

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/9/21 10:14 AM, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: > > I have the apache24 and uwsgi working together. I did this way: > > For the apache24 part I decided to use the mod-wsgi (and uswgi binary). > did a > > pip install mod-wsgi > (with "mod_wsgi-express module-config" it shows the conf needed.) > > after that a > > pip install uwsgi mod_wsgi and uwsgi are two different, incompatible ways of doing the same thing. It appears from the rest of your post(s) that you are actually using mod_wsgi and (hopefully) not running uwsgi at all. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: Issues with @gmail.com addresses

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/6/23 14:24, Mohsen Masoudfar wrote: > > Question: is there a command line that displays all the settings of a list? I think it might be some hidden settings that are not visible in the UI? ``` $ /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman shell -l list.example.com Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. The variable 'm' is the list.example.com mailing list >>> for x in dir(m): ... if not x.startswith('_'): ... print(f'{x}: {m.__getattribute__(x)}') ... ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: ValueError: The ADMINS setting must be a list of 2-tuples.

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/20/24 13:23, David Partain via Mailman-users wrote: > raise ValueError("The ADMINS setting must be a list of 2-tuples.") > ValueError: The ADMINS setting must be a list of 2-tuples. > > Our ADMINS setting in /etc/mailman3/settings.py has > > ADMINS = ( > ('Mailman Suite Admin', 'someone(a)our.domain', 'someoneelse(a)our.domain'), > ) > > Can someone point me in a direction to correct this? 2-tuples, not triples. E.g. ADMINS = ( ('Mailman Suite Admin1', 'someone(a)our.domain'), ('Mailman Suite Admin2', 'someoneelse(a)our.domain'), ) -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 templates

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/15/23 23:42, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 10:26 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > In my case, I had the exact same files in the two paths and the > list:user:action:subscribe.txt was still not used in my tests. > Why? I don't know why? What's the content of the template table in the database? ``` SELECT * FROM template; ``` > I have now created the directory: > mkdir -p /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/domains/lists.kictanet.or.ke/en/ > And I have placed the same files in there. Gearing up for a test to see if > the template will be used this time around. That's just wasting space. If you're putting the exact same templates in site/, domains/ and lists/, you might just as well delete the ones in domains/ and lists/ and Mailman will use the ones from site/. >> A template from import21 of the kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke list will >> be stored in the >> /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/kictanet.lists.kictanet.or.ke/en/ >> directory. >> > > It wasn't a template per se. It was the regular nondigest msg_footer from > MM2. import21 imports the nondigest msg_footer, makes certain adjustments for Mailman3 compatibility and stores it as a template in the var/templates/lists/<list-id>/<lc>/ directory, however if it was the MM 2.1 default msg_footer, it won't be stored as a template and the MM3 default list:member:generic:footer template will be used. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty reply indent

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/17/19 4:29 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > > Of Android mail clients, I recently found K9 Mail. The lists look good in > that program. I've been using K9 Mail for years. I started when I got my first smart phone and couldn't retrieve my mail. A customer support person recommended K9 Mail and I never went back. It turns out the retrieval issue was due to a self signed SSL certificate on my mail server. K9 Mail told me what the problem was while the default client told me nothing. And, it's open source with all the support resources we expect, and the developers are responsive. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years

[MM3-users] Re: How to Increase outgoing mail volume for Mailman 3

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/10/20 1:02 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: > > The downside to this is that you lose automated bounce processing, of course. You don't lose bounce processing. It just becomes a bit less reliable. The VERPed envelope sender says exactly what address the message was sent to. Without this information, Mailman (actually flufl.bounce <https://fluflbounce.readthedocs.io/en/latest/README.html>) has to parse the returned bounce message to determine the bouncing address. There are many MTAs that do not send RFC 1894 compliant DSNs and we have several heuristic recognizers to try to parse these, but they can fail. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Upgrade Mailmam Core from

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/27/22 05:42, sascha.rissel(a)gmail.com wrote: > For the moment, I ignored this error > error: invalid command 'bdist_wheel' > ---------------------------------------- > ERROR: Failed building wheel for mailman > > and carried on, with creating a configuration file at /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg for Mailman Core. > I notice that directory /etc/mailman3 has not been creating during mailman setup from with venv. > > Is this correct? > Shall I manually create this directory or persist mailman.cfg at some other location where system user mailman has permissions to? I suggest you remove the venv and start over ensuring you do `sudo su mailman` before creating the venv. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Archiving Display Email Signature in Plain-Text

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/5/26 13:58, msok--- via Mailman-users wrote: > The Archiving is still display Email Signature in Plain-Text after I configured filter content: No and convert html to plaintext: No in Alter Messages. And Markdown text in Archiving settings. In addition to that, I also configured HYPERKITTY_RENDER_INLINE_IMAGE = True in settings.py file Have you set the list's Archive Rendering mode to Markdown? HYPERKITTY_RENDER_INLINE_IMAGE is only effective for markdown rendering. Also, I'm not certain this is the case, but normally, HyperKitty only displays text/plain parts of a message and other parts are shown only as links to attachments to be downloaded. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: venv and upgrade from python 3.11 to 3.13 because of OS-upgrade

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/12/26 07:05, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Andreas Vetter writes: > > > How should I upgrade? > > I haven't done this, so take it with a grain of salt. > <instructions snipped> Steve's suggestion is good, however there are a couple of incompatibility issues between the currently released version of Mailman core and Python 3.13 and also between mailman-web and django-allauth. For this reason you should upgrade these in your venv from GitLab. pip install git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman@master pip install git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-web@master -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Updated script for checking and fixing mbox files.

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/19/23 23:47, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > At what point does an MM3 List Admin require this script? > I am unable to figure that out :-) The script is useful for finding and cleaning up issues in mbox files to be used as input to hyperkitty_import. The normal flow would be to process the mbox with cleanarch3 to fix any unescaped From lines and bad Date: headers and then check the mbox with the ck_hk_import script to identify any messages in the mbox that might throw uncaught exceptions in hyperkitty_import and manually fix or remove those, and finally run hyperkitty_import. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problems getting MM3 to work

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/24/23 8:18 AM, Alain D D Williams wrote: > > It thinks that my domain is example.com ... when I 'grep -r example.com /opt/mailman' > I see 11338 lines - far too many to look through. > > Could someone please tell me what/where I configure to enter my test domain. The Postorius Domains view will show you the SITE_ID for your domain. In /etc/mailman3/settings.py you probably have SITE_ID = 1 Change that to the value from the Postorius Domains view. If you have more than one domain, you can set SITE_ID = 0 and that should show the domain from the http request. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: When QQ email sends emails to the Mailman service set up by oneself, members of the list who use QQ email cannot receive the emails, and it shows that the emails are rejected.

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/10/24 18:36, rqchen(a)cnic.cn wrote: > When QQ email sends emails to the Mailman service set up by oneself, members of the list who use QQ email cannot receive the emails, and it shows that the emails are rejected. Is this a DMARC issue? Does the list apply DMARC mitigations? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core.

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/12/25 12:17, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > > rm -rf /opt/mailman > mkdir /opt/mailman > chown mailman:mailman /opt/mailman > chmod 755 /opt/mailman > sudo su mailman > cd > pwd [should show that you are in /opt/mailman] > > Start over again from there. But if you currently have a working Mailman installation, maybe even a Debian package, and you don't want to start over from scratch, especially because you have Python 3.7.3 and current Mailman requires Python >=3.9,<=3.12, just see <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Heads up: settings.ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD is deprecated

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/1/25 11:58, Wikinaut wrote: > > WARNINGS: > ?: settings.ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED is deprecated, use: settings.ACCOUNT_SIGNUP_FIELDS = ['email*', 'username*', 'password1*', 'password2*'] > > > > My # Mailman Web configuration file: > # /etc/mailman3/settings.py > > # Get the default settings. > from mailman_web.settings.base import * > from mailman_web.settings.mailman import * > > # Settings below supplement or override the defaults. > # see https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… > del ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD > ACCOUNT_LOGIN_METHODS = {'email', 'username'} In addition to the above add ``` del ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED ACCOUNT_SIGNUP_FIELDS = ['username*', 'email*', 'password1*', 'password2*'] ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Can disabled users enable themself?

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/9/26 07:33, Flo via Mailman-users wrote: > > I created a weblate account and changed it. Now I checked the > repository: There is the correct translation, however, it comes after "" > and takes 3 lines. Maybe this is correct, however, it looks different > than the others. It's just the way long lines are handled. In this case the content of the three lines ``` msgstr "" "Ihre Mitgliedschaft in der Mailingliste ${mlist.display_name} wurde " "deaktiviert" ``` will be concatenated into a single string. There won't be any actual line breaks unless there are '\n' in the string. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 month, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Mass change Digest delivery mode

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/4/26 9:34 PM, iMark wrote: > > Le 2026-08-05 04:02, Mark Sapiro a écrit : > >> In Python, block structure is defined by indentation which is >> critical. In interactive mode, a `>>> ` prompt indicates you are at >> the outer level and a `... ` prompt indicates you are in a block. >> > > >> The complete interaction should look like >> ``` >>>>> for member in m.members.members: >> ... if member.delivery_mode != DeliveryMode.regular: ... >> member.delivery_mode = DeliveryMode.plaintext_digests >> ... >>>>> commit() >> ``` Note the above has a formatting error. See my followup post correcting that. > I got to the last line ( member.delivery_mode = > DeliveryMode.plaintext_digests ) and entered it to then get the ellipsis > (as you've shown). > > What happens after that so I can get back to the outer level (>>>>) and > commit ? > > If I hit Enter, I get this error Enter is the appropriate thing. It then runs the block. > ... > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "<console>", line 3, in <module> > AttributeError: property 'delivery_mode' of 'Member' object has no setter And upon running the block it encounters the above error. Unfortunately when I tested this, I tested on a list with only regular members and didn't encounter the error. The last line ``` member.delivery_mode = DeliveryMode.plaintext_digests ``` needs to be ``` member.preferences.delivery_mode = DeliveryMode.plaintext_digests ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 week, 4 days

[MM3-users] Re: Delete a single email or thread from hyperkitty archive

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/15/19 4:08 AM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > What is the message view? How to display that? [Pardon my ignorance - I can't see it.] I am logged in as superuser. An example of thread view is <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…>, and a message view is <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> You won't see the Reattach this thread, Delete this thread or Delete this message links on those pages because you must be a superuser to see them, but they are in the right sidebar just above TAGS. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty installation: Unclear instructions

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/5/23 16:08, Johannes Rohr wrote: > Thanks. But can you tell me where the manage.py is that is needed for > the import command mentioned here? > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html > > python manage.py hyperkitty_import -lfoo-list(a)example.com > $var_prefix/archives/private/foo-list.mbox/foo-list.mbox When you follow the virtualenv install the Django management command is named `mailman-web`. This is shown for example at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#run-database-mi… and the next few sections. For importing archives, it would be, with the venv active, e.g. ``` (venv)$ mailman-web hyperkitty_import -lfoo-list(a)example.com $var_prefix/archives/private/foo-list.mbox/foo-list.mbox ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Best practice when deleting a mailing-list (archiving an old list)

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/10/24 01:06, Marc SCHAEFER wrote: > > So, is there a simple way to export a list's archives in a way it can > be reimported, now that everything seems to be in the database? Assuming you are concerned about a HyperKitty archive, there is a 'Download' button on the list's overview page. If the archive is large, this may time out in which case you can download it in pieces, e.g. via URLs like https://example.com/archives/list/<FQDN_LISTNAME>/export/filename.mbox.gz?start=2020-01-01&end=2020-12-31 to get the year 2020. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty archive: date format in thread overview of list does not honor DATETIME_FORMAT of settings.py

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/28/25 01:45, Christian Schneider wrote: > > Although the problem should be fixed according to this url: > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/templates/hy… > it persists in my relatively fresh install...Hyperkitty-1.3.12, mailman-hyperkitty-1.2.1 > (According to this url https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ these are the latest versions) The fix will be released in HyperKitty 1.3.13. > Is there a way to access a newer version (maybe develop-version) via pip install of Hyperkitty? pip install git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty.git -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: task runjobs minutely uses 100% cpu

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/12/20 4:51 AM, Bjoern Franke wrote: > Hi, > >> I installed the corresponding Debian packages: python3-xapian-haystack, >> python3-xapian, libxapian30. > > some digging: > The commit keyword was removed in > d3f1e011da3d9bebd88c78fe7a87cd6171ae650c[1] which was included in 2.1.0 > - the last release of xapian-haystack. > Later this commit was reverted in > 253c4c2898f16a5dee2c99324621a14e3e2a789b - so it's fixed only in master > of xapian-haystack. Which is why you should install via the recommended pip install git+https://github.com/notanumber/xapian-haystack.git rather than the Debian package. It would be good to report this issue to Debian so they fix their broken package. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION option

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/2/20 5:42 PM, Henry S via Mailman-users wrote: > I am trying to change email "To" field to user's email instead of > mailing list's email. e.g. "To: <user(a)gmail.com>" instead of "To: > <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org>" In Postorius set Settings -> Alter Messages -> Personalize to Full. > I looked around old mailman configs they mentioned about adding > > OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION option in mm_cfg.py > > is this feature still available in mailman3 ? Can I do it via Postorius > or REST API? There is no setting in Mailman 3 to control the ability to set personalization. It is always available. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Welcome message template errors

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/22/24 17:06, Mark wrote: > > There was no line POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL in /etc/mailman3/settings.py So presumably you were getting the default POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://localhost:8000' from mailman-web/settings/mailman.py because of from mailman_web.settings.mailman import * in your settings.py. > Then, as site-owner, creating a new custom Welcome template (again via > the WebUI) I can see it correctly added to the database in > mailman.template.uri > > - > https://lists.mydomain.com/mailman3/api/templates/list/lists.mydomain.com/l… And what happens if you go to that URL in a web browser? Also what do you get when going to https://lists.mydomain.com/mailman3? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problems with SPOOFED_UNAUTH

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/11/25 02:42, M.Ede via Mailman-users wrote: > > Thanks for the hint, I removed authentication-results header as well as arc-authentication-results with your patch, but rspamd still results in SPOOFED_UNAUTH. > > I'm now investigating further why rspamd behaves this way. > > DKIM signing happens when sending from a non anonymous list, but with anonymous something differs ... I'm certain that the SPOOFED_UNAUT issue has nothing to do with any arc-* or authentication-results headers. I strongly suspect that the issue is because there is no DKIM signature from the From: domain. You need to investigate your DKIM signing rules to see why and fix this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Remove footer link

by Mark Sapiro

On 04/21/2017 02:14 AM, David Terni wrote: > Hi, > I need to remove footer message like "to unsubscribe etc etc" from all > lists. How i can do it or edit text? Assuming this is recent MM 3 with the "new" templating system implemented per commit dbde6231ec897379ed38ed4cd015b8ab20ed5fa1 Author: Barry Warsaw <barry(a)python.org> Date: Sat Jul 16 15:44:07 2016 -0400 New template system. Closes #249 The new template system is introduced for API 3.1. See ``src/mailman/rest/docs/templates.rst`` for details. and using English as an example, you can put a sitewide footer template in var/templates/site/en/list:member:generic:footer.txt. If this file is empty, the footer wont be added. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Mark Sapiro

On 07/21/2017 06:07 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: > I want to use Mailman to send emails to our customers. So you need to create a list and add your customers as members. Please note that Mailman is not a substitute for a customer relations management system. It can be used in that way, but a true CRM system has advantages ove Mailman. Mailman is primarily designed to support discussion lists such as this one. > I´m getting this error when I click on sign up and log in: > > FilterError at /accounts/login/ > /bin/sh: sassc: command not found See the third bullet under <http://docs.list.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html#dependencies>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 years

[MM3-users] Re: Delete User

by Mark Sapiro

On 05/25/2018 02:41 PM, Kaleb White wrote: > Is it possible to delete a user from postorius completely so that they cannot log in again? Users and their email addresses appear in multiple places. A user can be a member, owner and/or moderator of one or more email lists. These roles are all maintained in Mailman core, but can be accessed and deleted via Postorius. A user's actual login for Postorius and HyperKitty is maintaind in Django and a user can be deleted via the Django admin interface. That would prevent the user from logging in, but I don't think anything prevents the user from re-registering with the same email address. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Newbie question 2: Rewriting issue for bounced emails

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/25/21 5:03 PM, William Oliver wrote: > > In any case, I added a line for "virtual_alias_domains" in my main.cf > for postfix. But it doesn't do anything, apparently, except generate > another error line (see the syslog output below). So, just for a lark, > I created an empty /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_vmap file and ran > postmap on it to create a postfix_vmap.db file. Have you added an Alias Domain for your domain? After doing that did you run `mailman aliases` or restart mailman to (re)generate the files. postfix_domains postfix_lmtp postfix_vmap postfix_domains.db postfix_lmtp.db postfix_vmap.db -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Include receipant address as a variable

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/3/22 20:23, chucka(a)blackforest-co.com wrote: > I send out a monthly newsletter via MM. To keep traffic smaller the email has a link to the PDF of the newsletter. > I need to somehow include a variable (the To: email) as part of the link. > ie href = thewebsite/nl.pdf?tomjones(a)email.com That way I can tell A) who is reading the NL and B) popup a notice: Your membership dues have been paid through 2023. You can do this with a custom template for list:member:regular:header or list:member:regular:footer. See https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/30/23 20:38, Onyeibo wrote: > > However, I no longer receive my own message to the list. That was > working before. The post arrives at the List and gets archived but I > don't see it via my mail client -- looks like Mailman is now recieving > but not posting back to the subscriber. Strange Fixing archiving shouldn't affect that. There is a list member setting to receive your own posts. Is that possibly set to No as a list based, address based or global preference. Are you posting from a gmail/googlemail address. Probably not if you were receiving your posts before, but if so, see <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030680>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: (venv) mailman-web migrate (as explained) fails with "django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware must be added to settings.MIDDLEWARE"

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/19/23 05:02, Wikinaut wrote: > > (venv) mailman-web migrate > Traceback (most recent call last): ... > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/contrib/postgres/search.py", line 1, in <module> > import psycopg2 > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2/__init__.py", line 51, in <module> > from psycopg2._psycopg import ( # noqa > SystemError: initialization of _psycopg raised unreported exception Since you are using MySql and not PostgreSQL, in your venv do ``` pip uninstall psycopg2_binary ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: All users getting disabled after upgrade of mailman3

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/18/24 15:08, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: > Hello, > > We just upgraded our mailman to the latest provided from Debian bookworm > (I know, not the recommended installation method). > > > > Now everyone's having their addresses disabled due to "bounce" errors. > This is odd, because I'm disabled, even though I received the 2 emails I > sent to the list today (and that's the only list traffic today). Did you upgrade mailman core from a version older than 3.3.1? If so, see this post <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: broken route to accounts

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/10/26 01:03, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Thomas Krichel writes: > > > Note the absence of CSS. This should give a pointer of what is > > wrong. I haven't really been following this thread, but regarding the lack of styling see <https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/work_items/84>, <https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/work_items/85>, <https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/work_items/86> and <https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/work_items/87>, all of which are fixed for django-mailman3 1.3.16 which is not yet released. Given that I haven't been following, I don't know "what is wrong", but I don't think the lack of CSS is related. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Archive manipulation (was: HyperKitty and duplicate emails across maillists)

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/16/19 12:45 PM, Marvin Gülker wrote: > > Just that I understand this right: Mailman only stores a message by > list_id plus message ID? If so, what happens if a malicious user sends a > message with an intentionally duplicate message ID to a list? Can a user > thereby manipulate the message archive? Mailman should probably reject > the message with the duplicate ID. Mailman will accept the message (assuming it passes other checks), but Hyperkitty won't archive it because of the duplicate Message-ID. Thus, a malicious user can't manipulate the archive in this way. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Default moderation for new members

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/10/19 6:32 PM, Seth Seeger wrote: > > So I've set my "Default action to take when a member posts to the list" to "hold". I'm just unclear on what I want to set each member's moderation action to... defer or accept? (I've been reading the docs, but I'm not clear on the difference.) Generally, you want defer rather than accept. Accept will accept the message immediately after determining the message is from a member with that action, while defer will continue to process additional checks including 'administrivia', 'implicit-dest', 'max-recipients', 'max-size', 'no-subject' and 'suspicious-header'. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Weird hourly indexing error

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/9/20 11:29 AM, Mark Dadgar wrote: > > OK, making progress: > > mark@mail:/usr/local/bin$ !! > ./mm3-admin shell > Python 3.8.2 (default, Apr 27 2020, 15:53:34) > [GCC 9.3.0] on linux > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. > (InteractiveConsole) >>>> from hyperkitty.models import Email >>>> emails = Email.objects.all() >>>> for email in emails: > ... if email.content.find('\u200b'*5) >= 0: > ... print('Found in ml {}, hash {}'.format( > ... email.mailinglist.name, > ... email.message_id_hash)) > ... > ./mm3-admin: line 6: 702058 Killed django-admin $@ > > Now what? Run it as user `list`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Messages attached to probe messages

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/14/22 1:40 AM, Bjoern Franke via Mailman-users wrote: > > I was wondering about example.com, I thought it would have used the list > where the issue appeared or at least SITE_ID or SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN. > > My impression was (without looking into the logs) that the mails got > classified as spam and rejected because the were sent from example.com. The message is a fake DSN. It is only ever sent as an attachment to a probe or bounce notification. It is never sent on its own, so it shouldn't result in it's being classified as spam because of its From: or To: -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: templates

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/4/23 10:33, Christian via Mailman-users wrote: > I'm having issues with my lists. For each list I have created a template [ > list:user:action:subscribe ]which has a prospective subscriber have to > consent to list rules before they are subscribed. This template I created is > listed in Postorius for each list. I have noticed that there are no other > templates listed in Postorius. Furthermore, there is no 'lists' > subdirectory under Mailman's var/templates/. When you set a template in Postorius it saves it in the postorius_emailtemplate table in the database and tells Mailman core to get the template from Postorius via a URI to a Postorius API. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman-web compress - Invalid template socialaccount/login_cancelled.html

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/7/23 16:26, Michael.Sanderson(a)ubc.ca wrote: > Despite earlier comments that django-allauth 0.58.1 has been released to fix this issue (and presumably 0.58.2 would have the fix as well), there appears to still be an issue. As Odhiambo indicated with django-allauth==0.57.0, mailman-web compress completes without errors. With django-allauth 0.58.1 and 0.58.2, I still get > > (venv) $ mailman-web compress > Compressing... Error parsing template socialaccount/signup.html: socialaccount/base.html > done > Compressed 2 block(s) from 78 template(s) for 1 context(s). I don't think this is fatal, but I have reported it at https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/issues/3513 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: New installation, new issue: mailman3 migrate -- no module CommonMark

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/27/24 05:13, Bill Oliver wrote: > > (venv) mailman@mail:~$ pip freeze | grep readme > readme-renderer==17.4 Which is over 6 years old. How did that get installed? Current version is 44.0. There may or may not be an issue with the current version as it imports cmarkgfm which is in the venv of all the MM 3 installations I support, but I don't know how it gets there as even though readme_renderer imports it, it is not listed as required by readme_renderer or anything else. In any case, in your venv, do ``` pip install --update readme_renderer cmarkgfm ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Issues with Mail delivery after Mailman 3 installation

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/9/26 13:53, Ibiam Chihurumnaya via Mailman-users wrote: > Mark, can you help me with Debugging the issue with confirmation emails not being sent? > > I can see the uwsgi logs show that the confirm-email endpoint was accessed; > > [Mon Feb 9 21:31:23 2026] GET /accounts/confirm-email/ => generated 1556 bytes in 40 msecs (HTTP/1.0 200) 9 headers in 359 bytes (1 switches on core 0) > > but that's about it. What's in Django's log. Assuming your settings are like https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#initial-configu… the log will be at /opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 months

[MM3-users] Re: New domain cannot set set host

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/28/24 10:19 AM, Alain D D Williams wrote: > On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 12:42:41PM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> On 11/27/24 12:18 PM, Alain D D Williams wrote: >>> >>> But it is not in table mailman3web.django_site >>> >>> Please how do I do this ? >> >> Add the domain as a site in the Django web admin UI. > > I did not see this y/day and created the entry in table django_site using SQL. > This might be the cause of the other problems that we have been talking about. It's not likely that this is the cause. > I must admit to finding django daunting -- something that I know nothing about; > I ran "mailman-web --help" and was non the wiser. > > I found the following which did not help either: > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/django-primer.html Yes, Django can be daunting. It is certainly possible to implement alternatives to Postorius and HyperKitty that use some lighter weight, non-Django framework, and it was always our hope that someone would do this and contribute it. A few years ago, EMWD did implement alternatives using PHP, but at least in part due to the untimely death of EMWD's principal, those remain proprietary. That said, if you follow the installation doc at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html you shouldn't need much Django knowledge beyond that and https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/django-primer.html -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moving/cloning mailman3

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/18/2017 08:56 AM, Dmitry Makovey wrote: > Hi, > > I am drawing a blank looking for documentation for mailman3 migrations. > How can one dump existing settings for mailman and import it into > another instance? The Mailman 3 command 'mailman import21' is what does this <http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/docs/import.ht…>, however there are issues in that not all 2.1 settings are imported at all or correctly and in at least one case on an announce only list, the membership wasn't imported. I intend to work on this, but haven't got as far as even documenting the problems, much less coming up with fixes. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: HTML email sent to lists migrated from Mailman 2.1

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/15/19 8:03 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > Lynx is not used in stripping. Do you have the HTML-to-text > conversion option on? If so I can imagine that lack of Lynx would > fall back to stripping (but that would be a bug, of course, and we'd > want to fix it). If convert_html_to_plaintext is True and html_to_plain_text_command fails for any of several reasons including the command not existing, the HTML part is left in the message. > How about spamming the "mailman" (ie, administrator's) list? I think > Mailman 3 still has that? Nope. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 not starting afte an upgrade -addendum

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/27/20 12:38 AM, Gelpi Andrea wrote: > To solve the problem I had to remove VHOST parameter from config file. > I remember that Vhost was mandatory for my configuration when I set it > up two month ago. > So I don't understand why now I had to remove it to have MM3 working. Are you talking about FILTER_VHOST in your Django settings(_local).py or something else. If something else, I don't know what. If FILTER_VHOST, It has nothing to do with Mailman core. There is this issue with Postorius <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/394> which is fixed in Postorius 1.3.3. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 not delivering list mail

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/1/20 9:27 AM, Gordon Dickens wrote: > It appears that my mailman3 installation has stopped delivering list > mail and that all of the list mail is stuck in > /var/lib/mailman3/queue/bad. > How do I resolve this situation?Â Can I just remove the files with "rm > *" in the /var/lib/mailman3/queue/bad directory?Â Please let me know > what I should do to get things working again. There should be messages in mailman.log like `Uncaught runner exception:` followed by an exception and traceback and possibly `Skipping and preserving unparseable message:` or `SHUNTING FAILED, preserving original entry:`. What do these messages say? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: when on particular person sends a message to the list dozens of OTHER users have their bounce score incremented

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/23/24 8:31 PM, Ken Alker wrote: > We have been experiencing a strange anomaly. We are running a small-ish list. When a particular subscriber to the list sends an email to the list, a couple of dozen (or more) of the recipient's of the message end up with their bounce scores incrementing. The notices of bounce score incrementing, assuming Notify owner on bounce increment is Yes, should contain the bounce DSN. What does it say the reason is? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: when on particular person sends a message to the list dozens of OTHER users have their bounce score incremented

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/30/24 11:00, Ken Alker wrote: > > Unfortunately, now when I respond to list emails (with the re-written From address) my (very old) email client (I still use Mulberry!) defaults to responding to the sender instead of the list, as it had before. I'm hoping this is a nuance of my client and isn't something the other members are going to have to grapple with. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/handlers/dmarc… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Unable to ban users via mailman-shell

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/13/25 07:53, Mihai Moldovan wrote: > > That might be a bug in mailman 3.3.8, though, and indeed, there is > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1062 which might be partly > relevant. While it is generally a fix for use_ipython: true (which I > don't use), it might have also fixed the banner issue for the > non-ipython case. This was added in Mailman 3.3.1 by https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/587 The fix for https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1062 doesn't affect this if you aren't using ipython. Do you have a setting for `banner` in the `[shell]` section of your mailman.cfg? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Caching problem with templates

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/28/25 21:50, Mark wrote: > > Yes, I thought so too. I also tried 0d -- which wrote the expiry date > the same as the created date (to the second). > > # /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg > [mailman] > cache_life: 0d > > But, just as with writing in a past date, it didn't solve the problem. > I also spun up a brand new server to thrash it out there, but no joy > there either. This is a different issue. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1231 The template is not removed from the cache until the next run of the task runner which defaults to running every hour. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Which crontab?

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/05/2017 09:18 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > /etc/mailman.cfg should be owned by mailman? I checked my primary mailserver, > my laptop, and my new Mailman box. ALL files in /etc (except links, which are > lrwxrwxrwx and I didn't check what they point to) are owned by root.root or > owned by root.<other> and not group writable, except one, the directory /etc/ > mailman/, which is owned by root.list and is group writable (drwxrwsr-x). Are > you saying that Mailman should be able to change its own config file? It looks like your Mailman user is 'list'. That is the user that should be running mailman commands. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Archiver "prototype" and disabling archiving at all

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/24/19 5:40 AM, Torge Riedel wrote: > > in the settings of a mailing list I can choose two archivers: > "Hyperkitty" and "prototype". What is this archive "prototype" and how > can I disable/remove/deinstall it? And how can I disable archiving at > all, so no archiver can be chosen in the settings. The prototype archiver stores messages individually in var/archives/prototype/LIST_NAME/. You can disable the prototype archiver by putting [archiver.prototype] enable: no in your mailman.cfg. To disable all archiving, just remove all the [archiver.*] sections from your mailman.cfg or set them to 'enable: no' -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman shell tutorial

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/15/20 11:03 AM, dancab(a)caltech.edu wrote: > > I'm now trying to do some simple injection testing via command line. But I seem to be missing something. > > I've tried using mailman inject with the filename option to one of the lists I've imported but still no luck. What is the command you are giving? It should be something like mailman inject -f your_file listname.example.com You could also specify `-q in` but that's the default. What does the message in your_file look like? Does it have a complete set of headers including To:, From:, Subject:, Date: and Message-ID:, and is To: the list posting address? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Change Dmark settings via command line

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/24/24 10:34, bob B via Mailman-users wrote: > I need to set all the DMARC settings on are lists to "replace from with list address". > > Is there an easy want to do this via cli? I could do it by viewing the web interface but we have a lot of lists. With mailman shell: ``` $ mailman shell Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. >>> for mlist in getUtility(IListManager): ... mlist.dmarc_mitigate_action = DMARCMitigateAction.munge_from ... >>> commit() -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: installing a new instance of mm3

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/22/21 6:37 AM, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-users wrote: > Is this document that Brian Carpenter wrote still valid? > > https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10 As Steve said, it should be. > Brian installed my instance. Now its broken. My lists are down. I'm getting > nowhere with diagnostics and troubleshooting (which was easier with mailman > 2). What's broken? Postorius, Hyperkitty, mail delivery, all of them? Do you find any clues in the logs at /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/? Particularly mailman.log for core and mailmansuite.log for Postorius and Hyperkitty. We will try to help if we have information to help identify the problem. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: outgoing.py mailman@example.com issue

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/7/21 1:22 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > dancab(a)caltech.edu writes: > > > I deployed Mailman3 last night and today we've had some "bounced" > > messages with headers referencing mailman(a)example.com. This has > > only happened with a few lists. Any ideas what causes this? ... > Mark may have a better idea. This is a fake DSN that is generated when Mailman's attempt to send a bounce probe results in a failure from the MTA to which Mailman delivers. See code at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/runners/outgoi… and around https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/runners/outgoi… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Language switch

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/30/23 02:01, Massimiliano Paragnani wrote: > Hi, > I can't set other languages in MM3 web. > I did it https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs… > I tried to add language cose in settings_local.py and in mailman.cfg but nothing happens The locale for Mailman's web UI (Django) is determined by your Browser by the Accept-Language header that it sends with requests. You can also set `LANGUAGE_CODE` in settings_local.py to set a default for the installation <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.1/ref/settings/#language-code>. Not that all of this requires that the appropriate compiled message catalogs exist. This requires running the Django admin `compilemessages` command. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Setting configuration variables on all lists from command line

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/26/2017 08:00 AM, Peter Mueller wrote: > Hello, > > could you provide an example how I can set various configuration variables > using "mailman withlist" or "mailman "shell" on _all_ lists? > > E.g. I want to set on all lists: > m.send_welcome_message = 0 > m.send_goodbye_message = 0 $ bin/mailman shell Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell >>> from zope.component import getUtility >>> from mailman.interfaces.listmanager import IListManager >>> listmanager = getUtility(IListManager) >>> for mlist in listmanager.mailing_lists: ... print(mlist.list_name) ... mlist.send_welcome_message = False ... mlist.send_goodbye_message = False ... commit() ... >>> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: [SOLVED] Re: Re: Help with Newbie error -- I think I deleted my server

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/25/21 7:13 AM, William Oliver wrote: > > Just out of curiosity, if I could not have guessed a valid ID number > and did not have the admin interface, how could I have figured out what > site IDs were available? If Postorius is working, recent versions show the SITE_ID in the domains view. I.e. after you added your domain you could have noted the SITE_ID and made the change in settings before deleting the example.com domain. In any case, the django_site table in Mailman's database has the information. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Message-Footer after migrating to Mailman3

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/1/22 03:19, Peter Münster wrote: > > My language setting is "fr", so I've copied templates/site/en > templates/site/fr and now it works. > > So no real problem, but the question remains: why did it not work with > "en"? Because of https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/utilities/i18n… which you referenced previously ``` After all those paths are searched, the final fallback is the English template within the Mailman source tree. ``` I.e. the final fallback is to the English template in the source tree, not to a list, domain or site specific English template in Mailman's `config.TEMPLATE_DIR`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: HyperKitty failure: {"error": "'Thread' instance needs to have a primary key value before this relationship can be used."} (400)

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/19/22 15:52, armin.schoeffmann(a)aegaeon.de wrote: > OK, > quick test - your guess is correct: > Django 4.1.x is the culprit. Downgrading to 4.0.8 brought hyperkitty back to life. > Support for 4.1 was introduced with commit 0f50cae8 (Merge branch 'django4.1' into 'master'). > As I'm not familiar with mailman's dev-conventions - is there a recommended procedure to report the issue? Open an issue at https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/new -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 stopped sending out mail

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/22/23 6:39 AM, webmaster(a)orcas.de wrote: > as of now I think the same as here: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… > Just got it in the logs: "Uncaught runner exception: module 'time' has no attribute 'clock'". That specific issue is from using Mailman Core < 3.3.0 with Python >= 3.8. Note the current release of Mailman Core is 3.3.9. Releases less than 3.3.0 are over 4 years old. > Should we add another try catch because of circumstances like this? This is Python, not Perl or PHP. And we do catch exception and log them as we did in this case. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Heads up: settings.ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD is deprecated

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/10/25 01:07, Andreas Vetter wrote: > > That is unfortunately not enough to get rid of the Warning, because venv/lib/ > python3.11/site-packages/mailman_web/settings/mailman.py contains the old > ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD and allauth is complains about it. In the recommended virtualenv installation, the settings that Django sees are /etc/mailman3/settings.py. That in turn contains ``` from mailman_web.settings.base import * from mailman_web.settings.mailman import * ``` but if following those imports you have ``` del ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD ``` Django won't see it and won't complain. Did you actually try this? If so, did you put the `del ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD` after `from mailman_web.settings.mailman import *` in /etc/mailman3/settings.py? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Missing Base64 encoding from control message reply

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/24/23 07:20, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > The only thing I can think of at the moment that might move the > discussion forward is if Mark knows how to run his test in your Docker > environment to see if it also produces > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Assuming there is not something like ``` [language.en] charset: utf-8 ``` in your mailman.cfg overriding the default us-ascii charset for English, if you send a message From: yourself to list-confirm-xxxxxxx(a)example.com with Subject: Re: Your confirmation is needed to join the list(a)example.com mailing list (replacing list and example.com with the actual list and domain), you should receive a response like (some headers removed) ``` Subject: The results of your email commands From: list-bounces(a)example.com To: mark(a)example.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <169556563227.2592.7908020161516725770(a)example.com> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2023 07:27:12 -0700 Precedence: bulk X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.9b1 List-Id: A test list <list.example.com> List-Help: <mailto:list-request@example.com?subject=help> List-Owner: <mailto:list-owner@example.com> List-Subscribe: <mailto:list-join@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:list-leave@example.com> The results of your email command are provided below. - Original message details: From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)example.com> Subject: Re: Your confirmation is needed to join the list.example.com mailing list. Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2023 07:27:10 -0700 Message-ID: <20230924142710.GA23819(a)example.com> - Results: Confirmation token did not match - Done. ``` What do you get? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Handling of SPAM mails in mailman3 - Do not append original mail to moderation mail

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/18/20 7:11 AM, Torge Riedel wrote: > > I agree. So how to proceed on that? Get developers involved, post > somewhere a feature request? To be honest I don't know how this is > handled in development community of mailman3. You can post to mailman-developers(a)python.org, but such things tend to get put aside and forgotten. The best way to report a bug, feature request, issue, etc is to use the trackers at gitlab.com. In the case of Mailman core, this is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hacking attempts?

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/14/22 12:29 AM, Lists via Mailman-users wrote: > > Is this a problem with our setup? i.e. the “Internal Server Error” bit, or are the hackers just sending bad data that is causing the error? also how do we stop/block this? You have Fedora enabled as one of your social account oAuth providers, but it is may be misconfigured or just broken?. Is it possible to log in via fedora at all? If you don't want/need it, just remove it. I am curently traveling and on my way home and don't have time to provide details of removal, but if you need help, ask and I or someone will respond. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Removing Moderators

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/21/24 13:39, steve.bachinsky(a)tena-sda.org wrote: > In the case of adding a moderator based on an email address, it is unclear whether there is already a user associated with that email address or not. So I tried to use the "moderator = user_manager.make_user(email)" interface. However, when trying to use "mlist.subscribe(moderator, MemberRole.moderator)", I get an error that User must have preferred address. And while I can set "moderator.preferred_address = email", I then get error that there is no attribute "verified_on", and I can't set that on the User. moderator.preferred_address needs to be set to an Address object, not an email. I.e. moderator.preferred_address = user_manager.get_address(email) -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: Caching problem with templates

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/26/25 04:25, Mark wrote: > > A footer template is created and initially it works as expected. > > Editing the footer template sees the new content written to the database, > > In addition to viewing the edited content in the database, the new > template can also be viewed in Lynx on localhost at: > > http://localhost:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/<IDENTIFIER>/list:member:regular:footer > > The problem is that the original template is being cached somewhere and > the old footer persists in new emails. What does the database query ``` SELECT uri FROM template WHERE name = 'list:member:regular:footer' AND context = '<IDENTIFIER>'; ``` return? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: mail loops back to myself

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/13/25 01:59, Florian Sukup wrote: > > > On 6/13/25 01:58, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> but I'm at a loss to understand the issue, unless your >> /etc/postfix/master.cf is missing an uncommented entry for lmtp like >> ``` >> lmtp unix - - y - - lmtp >> ``` >> > > I found it there, here is my master.cf: I realized after the fact that that probably wasn't the issue because it probably would have logged an error. > mailman unix - n n - - pipe > flags=FRX user=list argv=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/postfix-to-mailman.py > ${nexthop} ${user} > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Is the last line a problem? It seems to be from mailman2. It's a Debian thing for an unsupported MM 2.1 process to deliver mail to Mailman. It doesn't do any harm if it's not referenced in main.cf. > Is there a possibility to debug in more detail? To find out when and > where it takes the wrong turn? I'm unable to see where this is going wrong. I think it is a Postfix issue, not a Mailman issue per se, and while we make a best effort to help with Postfix-Mailman integration issues we are not the primary support resource for Postfix which is the postfix-users(a)postfix.org mailing list. See https://www.postfix.org/lists.html for info on subscribing and posting. Also, since you are dealing with Debian packages, the primary support resource is Debian. See https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: howto reallow a banned email ?

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/18/19 9:12 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote: > > By mistake a user has been banned to post to mailman list. How can I > allow him not only to post but also to become a member of a list ? > > I have not found any info on the web, or I have been unable to search > correctly. Do you have the Postorius web UI in your installation? If so go to the list's Ban List and remove the unwanted entry. Or is this perhaps a Mailman 2 question? If so you'll find the ban_list in the web admin UI at Privacy options... -> Subscription rules. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core.

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/26/20 12:00 AM, joseverde(a)gmail.com wrote: > Okay, so I got the webservice of Mailman3 up and running, but when I go to mailman3/postorius/lists/, I get the following error: > > Something went wrong > Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core. Do your settings in the webservice section of mailman.cfg for things like: admin_pass: restpass admin_user: restadmin hostname: localhost port: 8001 (Defaults shoun) match your Django settings MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = 'restadmin' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = 'restpass' MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = 'http://localhost:8001' Also, is Mailman's `rest` runner running ps -fwwA|grep runner=rest should show 3 processes. The runner and 2 workers. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: Cron error

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/30/20 8:21 AM, gordon(a)dickens.com wrote: > The error has not re-occurred in the last 24 hours since I removed the lock file as Mark recommended. So, I am hopefull that the problem is solved. As I suggested at <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…>, I don't think the underlying issue was with the `mailman digests --send` run by cron. I think any `mailman` command would have failed as long as the dbcreate.db lock residue was in /var/lib/mailman3/locks/. The question is what left that there in the first place. Did you manually run any `mailman` commands that terminated abnormally or were killed in the day before this started? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating from debian package to Virtualenv

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/8/20 12:45 PM, Ryan Morash wrote: > We currently have our Mailman3 instance installed using the packages in Debian's repository. We want to migrate over to a virtualenv setup as described here: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html. Is there any thing we should be aware of for migrating data? Assuming you will be using the same DBM, I think you could just ensure that your mailman.cfg settings for ``` [mailman] layout: ``` and ``` [paths.<layout_value>] var_dir: ``` end up pointing var_dir at your existing Mailman var/ directory and the [database] section in mailman.cfg and the DATABASES definition in your Django settings reference your existing database(s). -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Confirmation emails to Users has wrong domain name (example.com!)

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/2/21 4:26 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 4:09 PM Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> > wrote: >> >> Yes, please update it to have SITE_ID = 2 to correspond to the site you >> want and restart. > > > I did this, but there is still a problem: The hyperkitty URL still shows > example.com. > Maybe I need to re-import the database to clear this? The SITE_ID setting affects the domain displayed at the top left of HyperKitty pages. Is this the correct domain? What hyperkitty URL are you talking about? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Speed/progress of update_index_one_list?

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/14/22 12:38 AM, Philip Colmer wrote: > I have now switched to Xapian but, in a way, my original questions still > stand. Is there a way of monitoring the progress of > "update_index_one_list"? What can I do to the specification of the server > to make that process go (much) faster? HyperKitty does the indexing by calling the Haystack update_index command. See https://django-haystack.readthedocs.io/en/master/management_commands.html#u… This command has options such as --verbosity and --workers. I think verbosity is set from the option provided to update_index_one_list and if set to 2 will give some progress info. workers could increase parallelism but is unconditionally passed by hyperkitty as 0 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 Queues Documentation

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/19/26 14:18, msok--- via Mailman-users wrote: > Thanks, Mark, you are saving my life here. > > It's working now due to permission issued because I used root account to create mailing list in bash command. Never run the `mailman` command as `root` or any other than the Mailman user, `list` in your case. > by the way, my mailman3 installed on Debian 13 OS via Debian package. > I didn't create mailman user. Now, it is running under list:list That is the Debian way. Don't try to change it unless you want to rip out the Debian packages and reinstall following <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 months, 3 weeks

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