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[MM3-users] Re: Python program to create lists and import settings from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/9/24 15:52, Greg Newby wrote: > ######################################################################## > # Step 3: Import the legacy settings to the newly created list > def do_import(new_list, new_pickle_file): > > # I did not see how to call import21 directly from Python, so am using > # a subprocess which basically uses the CLI syntax. from mailman.utilities.importer import import_config_pck import_config_pck(l, data) # l is from the result of l = create_list(new_list) above # data is the massaged dictionary from above # No need to save it in a new pickle and subprocess `mailman import21` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderator e-mails only going out once a day

by Mark Sapiro

On March 28, 2025 12:06:19 AM GMT+07:00, jkoral(a)luc.edu wrote: >Stephen, >Looking at the queues, I see 27 .pck files under shunt from Nov 14th. Could that be the issue why moderators are not getting their e-mails right away? Can I clear the queue by just deleting these files? For each one of those there will be an error message and a SHUNTING message in mailman.log. The error message with traceback will help you diagnose the issue. You can examine the files with `mailman qfile`. Once you fix the issue causing the exception, you can reprocess the shunted messages with `mailman unshunt`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.

8 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot Create New List

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/1/25 11:50, dap1--- via Mailman-users wrote: > I didn't see that in the documentation. Anyway, that seems to have worked and I was able to import the list. However, I cannot import the archives. The documentation says to use mailman manage.py but does not say where it is. My search turned up 2, so which do I use? > > ./venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/falcon/bench/dj/manage.py > ./venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_web/manage.py See the note at the bottom of the first section of the docs at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/index.html. With your venv active the command you want is `mailman-web`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 month, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Is there a way accept/discard held messages through mailman shell

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/15/20 5:47 AM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: > > But I wanted to know is there any other way to > approve/discard/reject the held messages through "mailman shell" or any > other channel ? Anything that can be done with Mailman core can be done via `mailman shell` To deal with held messages, See <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/app/docs/m…>. This doesn't tell you how to get the ID of a specific request, but see<https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs…>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Database deadlock when trying to delete a member.

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/23/21 3:14 PM, Simon Coggins wrote: > Thanks I’ll give that a try. Also in my tracing of the code I noticed https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/interfaces/dat… it starts with a single quote and ends with triple quotes so the single quote is never terminated. Actually, that's a typo, but it's not an error. in Python, two strings without an intervening operator are just concatenated, so "Interface for creating new databases.""" is just "Interface for creating new databases." concatenated with "" (the null string). -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problems with hyperkitty

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/15/21 1:05 AM, Lucia Moreno wrote: > Dear mailman support, > We have an issue with hyperkitty. > In the last month the space used by hyperkitty_email postgres table has > increased from 54GB to 400GB and it is constantly increasing with no end. > Is there any simple way of knowing what is taking so much space? > Like for example display how much archiving space (or achived emails) is > used by each mailing list? The attached count.py script will go through the hyperkitty_email table and accumulate and report the number of messages and their total size for each list. Various paths may need adjustment. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to increase maximum size of the message in mailman

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/31/21 7:06 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > There's no way to configure the LMTP server's message_size_limit in > Mailman; this is a bug but I can't say when it will be fixed. There is no configuration option, but one can apply a patch like: --- a/src/mailman/runners/lmtp.py +++ b/src/mailman/runners/lmtp.py @@ -229,7 +229,7 @@ class LMTPHandler: class LMTPController(Controller): def factory(self): - server = LMTP(self.handler) + server = LMTP(self.handler, data_size_limit=999999999999) server.__ident__ = 'GNU Mailman LMTP runner 2.0' return server See https://aiosmtpd.readthedocs.io/en/latest/smtp.html#aiosmtpd.smtp.SMTP -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Equivalent of listadmin Perl script for Mailman 3?

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/16/21 11:48 PM, Philip Colmer wrote: > Hi > > We're preparing to migrate about 4 Mailman 2 servers to Mailman 3. In doing > so, one of our list administrators has informed us that he uses "listadmin" > (Petter Reinholdtsen: listadmin, the quick way to moderate mailman lists - > nice free software (skolelinux.org) > <http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/listadmin__the_quick_way_to_moderate…> > ) > > Does anyone know if there is an equivalent tool that works with Mailman 3? I'm not aware of any, but others might be (I wasn't aware of `listadmin` before reading this post). -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: Python 3.9 support

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/24/22 10:33, dancab(a)caltech.edu wrote: > I just upgraded our Mailman3 system to use Python 3.9. About 6 hours after the deployment there was a PyMySQL error and delivery of messages stopped until I restarted the services. > > I'm pasting the full stack trace error from mailman.log below. It mentions PyMySQL. We have PyMySQL-1.0.2 installed. ... > Feb 23 23:27:10 2022 (300) Uncaught runner exception: (pymysql.err.OperationalError) (1053, 'Server shutdown in progress') What is the status of the mysql server. The above says PyMySQL gets a 'Server shutdown in progress' response from mysqld. What was going on with mysqld at the time of the error? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Importing MBOX from custom listserv to MM3?

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/24/23 3:26 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: > We are looking at moving from a home grown listserv system at a client to potentially MailMan3 for the lists platform instead. > > We have historic thread data from the homegrown systems in mbox form. Is there a way to import that into MM3 for indexing in the archiver there so we dont need to keep the (literally massive) MBOX file? That's what the django admin hyperkitty_import command is for. You can check the mbox for anomalies that might cause issues with the scripts at https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/tree/master/hyperkitty/contrib. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Debug=False breaks Django/MM3-Login-page

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/15/24 02:02, Stefan Bauer via Mailman-users wrote: > > Switching DEBUG=True (currently set in settings.py) to false does indeed > hide additional debugging output, but following pages are not accessible > anymore (Server Error). > > user-profile/ > accounts/logout/ > hyperkitty/ I don't understand why the DEBUB setting would affect this, but in any case, what's in the mailman web logs for these Server Errors? > This is > > Mailman Core-Version GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Installed how? > Mailman Core API-Version 3.1 > Mailman Core Python-Version 3.10.12 (main, Sep 11 2024, 15:47:36) [GCC > 11.4.0] -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: minutely cronjobs: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'settings

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/7/20 4:10 AM, Bjoern Franke wrote: > > on a system running Debian 10 the minutely cronjobs fail since it was > rebooted. The following is the output of > django-admin >/dev/null && django-admin runjobs minutely --pythonpath > /usr/share/mailman3-suite --settings settings > ... > I'm wondering why this module is missing and reinstalled several django > packages, but none of them has explicitly a settings module. The settings module that's missing is your Django settings.py for HyperKitty and Postorius. Based on your command above, it should be found at /usr/share/mailman3-suite/settings.py -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: per domain SITE_ID views?

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/28/21 1:14 PM, David Newman wrote: > Using FILTER_VHOST, I have two domains set up and working with MM3, > Postorius and Hyperkitty. However, because SITE_ID in settings.py points > to one of the domains, that domain name always appears on Postorius and > Hyperkitty pages. ... > How to get the correct domain to appear on that domain's Postorius and > Hyperkitty pages? I don't think the domain is actually displayed on Postorius pages. If I'm wrong, on what Postorius view do you see it? As far as HyperKitty is concerned, please file an issue for this at https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/new -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to use the "recipient_delimiter" postfix parameter with Mailman3?

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/12/22 01:56, Pierre Malard via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi, > > We are using the « recipient_delimiter » parameter with our Postfix server as « _ ». > > Visibly, Mailman have it’s own mail configuration because it doesn’t work know. > > Is it a way to conserv this Postfix functionality? Mailman by default expects the recipient delimiter to be `+`. There are various settings in the [mta] section of mailman.cfg that allow you to change this. These are documented along with default settings at lines 812 - 898 of https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/config/schema.… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: mail stuck in "out" queue

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/16/22 14:42, Dan Caballero wrote: > Thanks Mark. We're using an external host(s) for the outgoing MTA. See settings below. I can advise those sysadmins about your recommendations. Your settings seem fine. [mta] smtp_host: smtp.caltech.edu [mta] smtp_port: 25 sets your outgoing MTA, and [mta] verp_delivery_interval: 1 says VERP every message which impacts performance in that each recipient's message is delivered to the MTA in a separate transaction, but this is what I do as it makes bounce processing more reliable. You might find some of the hits from https://wiki.list.org/FrontPage?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=perform… to be useful. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Held messages page not rendering the message

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/25/23 10:01, mike-mailman(a)earth.li wrote: > > This seems like maybe its a CSS issue? The class of the held-message-modal is "modal fade show" but I am not sure where that is or should be defined (or even if I'm looking at completely the wrong thing. > > Anyone able to suggest where to look? This is bootstrap. See https://www.w3schools.com/bootstrap/bootstrap_modal.asp One possible issue is if you have older bootstrap cached in your browser it could cause problems. It's unlikely considering you've tried different browsers, but try clearing your browser cache. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: localtime() cannot be applied to a naive datetime

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/1/24 3:09 AM, Freerk Bosscha via Mailman-users wrote: > Since yesterday I get the following error-message when I go to the webinterface: And what in your installation changed since yesterday? > ValueError at /admin/login/ > localtime() cannot be applied to a naive datetime > Request Method: GET > Request URL: https://mailman.pgtrynwalden.nl/mailman3/admin/login/?next=/mailman3/admin/ > Django Version: 2.2.28 This Django version is quite old. > ... > mailman info > GNU Mailman 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer) and so is this Mailman version. Do you have USE_TZ = True and a setting for TIME_ZONE in your Django settings? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Disabling the footer on a mailing list: Is this how?

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/28/24 07:13, David Partain via Mailman-users wrote: > From what I've read, I thought the following would do the trick: > > # sudo -u mailman -s /usr/bin/bash > $ source /local/mailman/venv/bin/activate > $ cd ~/var/templates/ > $ mkdir -p lists/test-list.our.domain/en/ > $ cp /dev/null "lists/test-list.our.wee.domain/en/list:member:regular:footer" The file is list:member:regular:footer.txt or if you have no other list:member:*:footer* files, list:member:generic:footer.txt will do both regular ad digest footers. I.e., you are missing the .txt extension. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Suggeested change to the venv installation instructions

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/28/24 4:14 PM, Bill Oliver via Mailman-users wrote: > > After a little searching, I found out that mailman needs to be made the > OWNER of the database, not just granted all privileges. After adding > the commands: > > ALTER DATABASE mailman OWNER TO mailman; > ALTER DATABASE mailmanweb OWNER TO mailman; > > I suggest adding those two lines to the instructions for "Setup > Database" > at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html There's already an MR in progress for this, although the approach there is different. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite-doc/-/merge_requests/160 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius: Search field in lists overview

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/14/25 23:36, Andreas Vetter wrote: > Hi, > is there a way to search lists in Postorius' Lists overview > https://lists.example.com/mailman3/lists/?all-lists > > Well, one can change "results on page" to 200 and then use the search function > of the browser, but that is some more clicks. No, there is no search function for this. If you know the name you are looking for, e.g., list(a)example.com, you can just go to https://lists.example.com/mailman3/lists/list@example.com/ but if you are looking for lists matching a pattern, there is no Postorius function for that. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

10 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Issues with @gmail.com addresses

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/7/23 13:07, Mohsen Masoudfar wrote: > Continuing the troubleshooting, I came around a very long list, over 3000, of "banned addresses" on the 'problem list'. > I wonder if there is a way to delete them programmatically. ``` $ /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman shell -l list.example.com Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. The variable 'm' is the list.example.com mailing list >>> bm = IBanManager(m) >>> for ban in bm.bans: ... bm.unban(ban.email) ... ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Loops back to myself

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/11/24 10:31, simonjwiles(a)gmail.com wrote: > Thank you, yes, I've read all the documentation. My system works properly (`transport_maps`, `local_recipient_maps`, `relay_domains`), I don't think it's an unusual configuration at all. I think the issue is setting relay_domains in postfix. I don't think this is necessary. Try removing that setting from postfix and see if mail to Mailman still works and mail to non-existent addresses is rejected for a more appropriate reason. On the other hand, why is rejection for "Loops back to myself" a problem. Granted it's not a very informative message, but the mail should be rejected anyway. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Bug in email.generator:_handle_text? [was: store/export existing Mailman lists ...]

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/15/22 20:39, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > What I think is happening is the original message is parsed into a > multipart/alternative Message object with payload of the text/plain and > text/html subparts. Then something deletes the top level Content-Type: > header which makes the message appear to be text/plain, yet > get_payload() still returns the list of two subparts. As an experiment, I did the following ``` $ /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman shell Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. >>> import pickle >>> with open('path/to/shunted/pickle', 'rb') as fp: ... msg = pickle.load(fp) ... msgdata = pickle.load(fp) ... >>> msg Traceback (most recent call last): <snip> File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/email/generator.py", line 239, in _handle_text raise TypeError('string payload expected: %s' % type(payload)) TypeError: string payload expected: <class 'list'> >>> msg['MIME-Version'] = '1.0' >>> msg['Content-Type'] = 'multipart/alternative; boundary="aaaabbbb"' >>> msg <displays the message as a string with no exception> >>> ``` I.e., restoring the missing headers allows the message to be properly flattened. I don't think we can blame email.generator:_handle_text for this as we have corrupted the message object by removing the Content-Type: header. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Rich Text support in Hyperkitty

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/7/19 8:41 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > > I really would like to have this markdown for my lists. How can I enable it? What configuration flag, and where to find it? See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/merge_requests/160> for the merge request that implements it, or see <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/merge_requests/160.diff> for the patch. > Our users in our context also want images, one of the prime reasons for me converting to Mailman. How can I turn that on? Included in the patch is a new doc/rendering.rst file which describes the necessary setting. Of course, this requires the patch to be applied. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: troubleshooting hyperkitty

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/8/20 11:37 PM, Morris Jones wrote: > > I created a mailman-hyperkitty.cfg file in /opt/mailman/var/etc/. You need to set configuration: /opt/mailman/var/etc/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg in the archiver.hyperkitty section of mailman.cfg. > It has a base_url for the "hyperkitty installation," and I'm not sure > where that's supposed to be. The comment says "This address will be used > by Mailman to forward incoming emails to Hyperkitty for archiving." > > I set base_url to http://mailman.whiteoaks.com/hyperkitty (changing > "localhost" from the example). It redirects to https:, If it redirects to https, set it to https to avoid the redirect. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius no connection to REST API

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/9/21 10:14 AM, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: > > I have the apache24 and uwsgi working together. I did this way: > > For the apache24 part I decided to use the mod-wsgi (and uswgi binary). > did a > > pip install mod-wsgi > (with "mod_wsgi-express module-config" it shows the conf needed.) > > after that a > > pip install uwsgi mod_wsgi and uwsgi are two different, incompatible ways of doing the same thing. It appears from the rest of your post(s) that you are actually using mod_wsgi and (hopefully) not running uwsgi at all. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Issues with @gmail.com addresses

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/6/23 14:24, Mohsen Masoudfar wrote: > > Question: is there a command line that displays all the settings of a list? I think it might be some hidden settings that are not visible in the UI? ``` $ /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman shell -l list.example.com Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. The variable 'm' is the list.example.com mailing list >>> for x in dir(m): ... if not x.startswith('_'): ... print(f'{x}: {m.__getattribute__(x)}') ... ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: ValueError: The ADMINS setting must be a list of 2-tuples.

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/20/24 13:23, David Partain via Mailman-users wrote: > raise ValueError("The ADMINS setting must be a list of 2-tuples.") > ValueError: The ADMINS setting must be a list of 2-tuples. > > Our ADMINS setting in /etc/mailman3/settings.py has > > ADMINS = ( > ('Mailman Suite Admin', 'someone(a)our.domain', 'someoneelse(a)our.domain'), > ) > > Can someone point me in a direction to correct this? 2-tuples, not triples. E.g. ADMINS = ( ('Mailman Suite Admin1', 'someone(a)our.domain'), ('Mailman Suite Admin2', 'someoneelse(a)our.domain'), ) -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to delete large numbers of held messages

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/22/22 02:11, Chris via Mailman-users wrote: > Mark Sapiro wrote: >>> I suggest the following in mailman shell ``` >> $ bin/mailman shell -l list.example.com >> Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell >> Use commit() to commit changes. >> Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. >> Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. >> The variable 'm' is the list.example.com mailing list >> >>> from mailman.app.moderator import handle_message >> >>> requestdb = IListRequests(m) >> >>> for id, type in requestdb.held_requests: >> ... if type == RequestType.held_message: >> ... handle_message(m, id, Action.discard) >> ... >> >>> commit() ``` > > Thanks for the reply, unfortunately that gives an error: > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "<console>", line 1, in <module> > TypeError: cannot unpack non-iterable _Request object Sorry, my mistake. Try this: ``` $ bin/mailman shell -l list.example.com Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. The variable 'm' is the list.example.com mailing list >>> from mailman.app.moderator import handle_message >>> requestdb = IListRequests(m) >>> for req in requestdb.held_requests: ... if req.request_type == RequestType.held_message: ... handle_message(m, req.id, Action.discard) ... >>> commit() ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty reply indent

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/17/19 4:29 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > > Of Android mail clients, I recently found K9 Mail. The lists look good in > that program. I've been using K9 Mail for years. I started when I got my first smart phone and couldn't retrieve my mail. A customer support person recommended K9 Mail and I never went back. It turns out the retrieval issue was due to a self signed SSL certificate on my mail server. K9 Mail told me what the problem was while the default client told me nothing. And, it's open source with all the support resources we expect, and the developers are responsive. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to Increase outgoing mail volume for Mailman 3

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/10/20 1:02 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: > > The downside to this is that you lose automated bounce processing, of course. You don't lose bounce processing. It just becomes a bit less reliable. The VERPed envelope sender says exactly what address the message was sent to. Without this information, Mailman (actually flufl.bounce <https://fluflbounce.readthedocs.io/en/latest/README.html>) has to parse the returned bounce message to determine the bouncing address. There are many MTAs that do not send RFC 1894 compliant DSNs and we have several heuristic recognizers to try to parse these, but they can fail. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Upgrade Mailmam Core from

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/27/22 05:42, sascha.rissel(a)gmail.com wrote: > For the moment, I ignored this error > error: invalid command 'bdist_wheel' > ---------------------------------------- > ERROR: Failed building wheel for mailman > > and carried on, with creating a configuration file at /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg for Mailman Core. > I notice that directory /etc/mailman3 has not been creating during mailman setup from with venv. > > Is this correct? > Shall I manually create this directory or persist mailman.cfg at some other location where system user mailman has permissions to? I suggest you remove the venv and start over ensuring you do `sudo su mailman` before creating the venv. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Updated script for checking and fixing mbox files.

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/19/23 23:47, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > At what point does an MM3 List Admin require this script? > I am unable to figure that out :-) The script is useful for finding and cleaning up issues in mbox files to be used as input to hyperkitty_import. The normal flow would be to process the mbox with cleanarch3 to fix any unescaped From lines and bad Date: headers and then check the mbox with the ck_hk_import script to identify any messages in the mbox that might throw uncaught exceptions in hyperkitty_import and manually fix or remove those, and finally run hyperkitty_import. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problems getting MM3 to work

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/24/23 8:18 AM, Alain D D Williams wrote: > > It thinks that my domain is example.com ... when I 'grep -r example.com /opt/mailman' > I see 11338 lines - far too many to look through. > > Could someone please tell me what/where I configure to enter my test domain. The Postorius Domains view will show you the SITE_ID for your domain. In /etc/mailman3/settings.py you probably have SITE_ID = 1 Change that to the value from the Postorius Domains view. If you have more than one domain, you can set SITE_ID = 0 and that should show the domain from the http request. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: When QQ email sends emails to the Mailman service set up by oneself, members of the list who use QQ email cannot receive the emails, and it shows that the emails are rejected.

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/10/24 18:36, rqchen(a)cnic.cn wrote: > When QQ email sends emails to the Mailman service set up by oneself, members of the list who use QQ email cannot receive the emails, and it shows that the emails are rejected. Is this a DMARC issue? Does the list apply DMARC mitigations? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core.

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/12/25 12:17, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > > rm -rf /opt/mailman > mkdir /opt/mailman > chown mailman:mailman /opt/mailman > chmod 755 /opt/mailman > sudo su mailman > cd > pwd [should show that you are in /opt/mailman] > > Start over again from there. But if you currently have a working Mailman installation, maybe even a Debian package, and you don't want to start over from scratch, especially because you have Python 3.7.3 and current Mailman requires Python >=3.9,<=3.12, just see <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Heads up: settings.ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD is deprecated

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/1/25 11:58, Wikinaut wrote: > > WARNINGS: > ?: settings.ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED is deprecated, use: settings.ACCOUNT_SIGNUP_FIELDS = ['email*', 'username*', 'password1*', 'password2*'] > > > > My # Mailman Web configuration file: > # /etc/mailman3/settings.py > > # Get the default settings. > from mailman_web.settings.base import * > from mailman_web.settings.mailman import * > > # Settings below supplement or override the defaults. > # see https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… > del ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD > ACCOUNT_LOGIN_METHODS = {'email', 'username'} In addition to the above add ``` del ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED ACCOUNT_SIGNUP_FIELDS = ['username*', 'email*', 'password1*', 'password2*'] ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 templates

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/15/23 23:42, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 10:26 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > In my case, I had the exact same files in the two paths and the > list:user:action:subscribe.txt was still not used in my tests. > Why? I don't know why? What's the content of the template table in the database? ``` SELECT * FROM template; ``` > I have now created the directory: > mkdir -p /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/domains/lists.kictanet.or.ke/en/ > And I have placed the same files in there. Gearing up for a test to see if > the template will be used this time around. That's just wasting space. If you're putting the exact same templates in site/, domains/ and lists/, you might just as well delete the ones in domains/ and lists/ and Mailman will use the ones from site/. >> A template from import21 of the kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke list will >> be stored in the >> /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/kictanet.lists.kictanet.or.ke/en/ >> directory. >> > > It wasn't a template per se. It was the regular nondigest msg_footer from > MM2. import21 imports the nondigest msg_footer, makes certain adjustments for Mailman3 compatibility and stores it as a template in the var/templates/lists/<list-id>/<lc>/ directory, however if it was the MM 2.1 default msg_footer, it won't be stored as a template and the MM3 default list:member:generic:footer template will be used. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Delete a single email or thread from hyperkitty archive

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/15/19 4:08 AM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > What is the message view? How to display that? [Pardon my ignorance - I can't see it.] I am logged in as superuser. An example of thread view is <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…>, and a message view is <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> You won't see the Reattach this thread, Delete this thread or Delete this message links on those pages because you must be a superuser to see them, but they are in the right sidebar just above TAGS. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty installation: Unclear instructions

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/5/23 16:08, Johannes Rohr wrote: > Thanks. But can you tell me where the manage.py is that is needed for > the import command mentioned here? > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html > > python manage.py hyperkitty_import -lfoo-list(a)example.com > $var_prefix/archives/private/foo-list.mbox/foo-list.mbox When you follow the virtualenv install the Django management command is named `mailman-web`. This is shown for example at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#run-database-mi… and the next few sections. For importing archives, it would be, with the venv active, e.g. ``` (venv)$ mailman-web hyperkitty_import -lfoo-list(a)example.com $var_prefix/archives/private/foo-list.mbox/foo-list.mbox ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Best practice when deleting a mailing-list (archiving an old list)

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/10/24 01:06, Marc SCHAEFER wrote: > > So, is there a simple way to export a list's archives in a way it can > be reimported, now that everything seems to be in the database? Assuming you are concerned about a HyperKitty archive, there is a 'Download' button on the list's overview page. If the archive is large, this may time out in which case you can download it in pieces, e.g. via URLs like https://example.com/archives/list/<FQDN_LISTNAME>/export/filename.mbox.gz?start=2020-01-01&end=2020-12-31 to get the year 2020. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty archive: date format in thread overview of list does not honor DATETIME_FORMAT of settings.py

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/28/25 01:45, Christian Schneider wrote: > > Although the problem should be fixed according to this url: > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/templates/hy… > it persists in my relatively fresh install...Hyperkitty-1.3.12, mailman-hyperkitty-1.2.1 > (According to this url https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ these are the latest versions) The fix will be released in HyperKitty 1.3.13. > Is there a way to access a newer version (maybe develop-version) via pip install of Hyperkitty? pip install git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty.git -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: task runjobs minutely uses 100% cpu

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/12/20 4:51 AM, Bjoern Franke wrote: > Hi, > >> I installed the corresponding Debian packages: python3-xapian-haystack, >> python3-xapian, libxapian30. > > some digging: > The commit keyword was removed in > d3f1e011da3d9bebd88c78fe7a87cd6171ae650c[1] which was included in 2.1.0 > - the last release of xapian-haystack. > Later this commit was reverted in > 253c4c2898f16a5dee2c99324621a14e3e2a789b - so it's fixed only in master > of xapian-haystack. Which is why you should install via the recommended pip install git+https://github.com/notanumber/xapian-haystack.git rather than the Debian package. It would be good to report this issue to Debian so they fix their broken package. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION option

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/2/20 5:42 PM, Henry S via Mailman-users wrote: > I am trying to change email "To" field to user's email instead of > mailing list's email. e.g. "To: <user(a)gmail.com>" instead of "To: > <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org>" In Postorius set Settings -> Alter Messages -> Personalize to Full. > I looked around old mailman configs they mentioned about adding > > OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION option in mm_cfg.py > > is this feature still available in mailman3 ? Can I do it via Postorius > or REST API? There is no setting in Mailman 3 to control the ability to set personalization. It is always available. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: Welcome message template errors

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/22/24 17:06, Mark wrote: > > There was no line POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL in /etc/mailman3/settings.py So presumably you were getting the default POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://localhost:8000' from mailman-web/settings/mailman.py because of from mailman_web.settings.mailman import * in your settings.py. > Then, as site-owner, creating a new custom Welcome template (again via > the WebUI) I can see it correctly added to the database in > mailman.template.uri > > - > https://lists.mydomain.com/mailman3/api/templates/list/lists.mydomain.com/l… And what happens if you go to that URL in a web browser? Also what do you get when going to https://lists.mydomain.com/mailman3? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problems with SPOOFED_UNAUTH

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/11/25 02:42, M.Ede via Mailman-users wrote: > > Thanks for the hint, I removed authentication-results header as well as arc-authentication-results with your patch, but rspamd still results in SPOOFED_UNAUTH. > > I'm now investigating further why rspamd behaves this way. > > DKIM signing happens when sending from a non anonymous list, but with anonymous something differs ... I'm certain that the SPOOFED_UNAUT issue has nothing to do with any arc-* or authentication-results headers. I strongly suspect that the issue is because there is no DKIM signature from the From: domain. You need to investigate your DKIM signing rules to see why and fix this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Remove footer link

by Mark Sapiro

On 04/21/2017 02:14 AM, David Terni wrote: > Hi, > I need to remove footer message like "to unsubscribe etc etc" from all > lists. How i can do it or edit text? Assuming this is recent MM 3 with the "new" templating system implemented per commit dbde6231ec897379ed38ed4cd015b8ab20ed5fa1 Author: Barry Warsaw <barry(a)python.org> Date: Sat Jul 16 15:44:07 2016 -0400 New template system. Closes #249 The new template system is introduced for API 3.1. See ``src/mailman/rest/docs/templates.rst`` for details. and using English as an example, you can put a sitewide footer template in var/templates/site/en/list:member:generic:footer.txt. If this file is empty, the footer wont be added. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Mark Sapiro

On 07/21/2017 06:07 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: > I want to use Mailman to send emails to our customers. So you need to create a list and add your customers as members. Please note that Mailman is not a substitute for a customer relations management system. It can be used in that way, but a true CRM system has advantages ove Mailman. Mailman is primarily designed to support discussion lists such as this one. > I´m getting this error when I click on sign up and log in: > > FilterError at /accounts/login/ > /bin/sh: sassc: command not found See the third bullet under <http://docs.list.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html#dependencies>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Delete User

by Mark Sapiro

On 05/25/2018 02:41 PM, Kaleb White wrote: > Is it possible to delete a user from postorius completely so that they cannot log in again? Users and their email addresses appear in multiple places. A user can be a member, owner and/or moderator of one or more email lists. These roles are all maintained in Mailman core, but can be accessed and deleted via Postorius. A user's actual login for Postorius and HyperKitty is maintaind in Django and a user can be deleted via the Django admin interface. That would prevent the user from logging in, but I don't think anything prevents the user from re-registering with the same email address. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Newbie question 2: Rewriting issue for bounced emails

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/25/21 5:03 PM, William Oliver wrote: > > In any case, I added a line for "virtual_alias_domains" in my main.cf > for postfix. But it doesn't do anything, apparently, except generate > another error line (see the syslog output below). So, just for a lark, > I created an empty /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_vmap file and ran > postmap on it to create a postfix_vmap.db file. Have you added an Alias Domain for your domain? After doing that did you run `mailman aliases` or restart mailman to (re)generate the files. postfix_domains postfix_lmtp postfix_vmap postfix_domains.db postfix_lmtp.db postfix_vmap.db -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Include receipant address as a variable

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/3/22 20:23, chucka(a)blackforest-co.com wrote: > I send out a monthly newsletter via MM. To keep traffic smaller the email has a link to the PDF of the newsletter. > I need to somehow include a variable (the To: email) as part of the link. > ie href = thewebsite/nl.pdf?tomjones(a)email.com That way I can tell A) who is reading the NL and B) popup a notice: Your membership dues have been paid through 2023. You can do this with a custom template for list:member:regular:header or list:member:regular:footer. See https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/30/23 20:38, Onyeibo wrote: > > However, I no longer receive my own message to the list. That was > working before. The post arrives at the List and gets archived but I > don't see it via my mail client -- looks like Mailman is now recieving > but not posting back to the subscriber. Strange Fixing archiving shouldn't affect that. There is a list member setting to receive your own posts. Is that possibly set to No as a list based, address based or global preference. Are you posting from a gmail/googlemail address. Probably not if you were receiving your posts before, but if so, see <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030680>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: (venv) mailman-web migrate (as explained) fails with "django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware must be added to settings.MIDDLEWARE"

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/19/23 05:02, Wikinaut wrote: > > (venv) mailman-web migrate > Traceback (most recent call last): ... > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/contrib/postgres/search.py", line 1, in <module> > import psycopg2 > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2/__init__.py", line 51, in <module> > from psycopg2._psycopg import ( # noqa > SystemError: initialization of _psycopg raised unreported exception Since you are using MySql and not PostgreSQL, in your venv do ``` pip uninstall psycopg2_binary ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: All users getting disabled after upgrade of mailman3

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/18/24 15:08, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: > Hello, > > We just upgraded our mailman to the latest provided from Debian bookworm > (I know, not the recommended installation method). > > > > Now everyone's having their addresses disabled due to "bounce" errors. > This is odd, because I'm disabled, even though I received the 2 emails I > sent to the list today (and that's the only list traffic today). Did you upgrade mailman core from a version older than 3.3.1? If so, see this post <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Archive manipulation (was: HyperKitty and duplicate emails across maillists)

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/16/19 12:45 PM, Marvin Gülker wrote: > > Just that I understand this right: Mailman only stores a message by > list_id plus message ID? If so, what happens if a malicious user sends a > message with an intentionally duplicate message ID to a list? Can a user > thereby manipulate the message archive? Mailman should probably reject > the message with the duplicate ID. Mailman will accept the message (assuming it passes other checks), but Hyperkitty won't archive it because of the duplicate Message-ID. Thus, a malicious user can't manipulate the archive in this way. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Default moderation for new members

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/10/19 6:32 PM, Seth Seeger wrote: > > So I've set my "Default action to take when a member posts to the list" to "hold". I'm just unclear on what I want to set each member's moderation action to... defer or accept? (I've been reading the docs, but I'm not clear on the difference.) Generally, you want defer rather than accept. Accept will accept the message immediately after determining the message is from a member with that action, while defer will continue to process additional checks including 'administrivia', 'implicit-dest', 'max-recipients', 'max-size', 'no-subject' and 'suspicious-header'. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: Weird hourly indexing error

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/9/20 11:29 AM, Mark Dadgar wrote: > > OK, making progress: > > mark@mail:/usr/local/bin$ !! > ./mm3-admin shell > Python 3.8.2 (default, Apr 27 2020, 15:53:34) > [GCC 9.3.0] on linux > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. > (InteractiveConsole) >>>> from hyperkitty.models import Email >>>> emails = Email.objects.all() >>>> for email in emails: > ... if email.content.find('\u200b'*5) >= 0: > ... print('Found in ml {}, hash {}'.format( > ... email.mailinglist.name, > ... email.message_id_hash)) > ... > ./mm3-admin: line 6: 702058 Killed django-admin $@ > > Now what? Run it as user `list`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Messages attached to probe messages

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/14/22 1:40 AM, Bjoern Franke via Mailman-users wrote: > > I was wondering about example.com, I thought it would have used the list > where the issue appeared or at least SITE_ID or SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN. > > My impression was (without looking into the logs) that the mails got > classified as spam and rejected because the were sent from example.com. The message is a fake DSN. It is only ever sent as an attachment to a probe or bounce notification. It is never sent on its own, so it shouldn't result in it's being classified as spam because of its From: or To: -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: templates

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/4/23 10:33, Christian via Mailman-users wrote: > I'm having issues with my lists. For each list I have created a template [ > list:user:action:subscribe ]which has a prospective subscriber have to > consent to list rules before they are subscribed. This template I created is > listed in Postorius for each list. I have noticed that there are no other > templates listed in Postorius. Furthermore, there is no 'lists' > subdirectory under Mailman's var/templates/. When you set a template in Postorius it saves it in the postorius_emailtemplate table in the database and tells Mailman core to get the template from Postorius via a URI to a Postorius API. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman-web compress - Invalid template socialaccount/login_cancelled.html

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/7/23 16:26, Michael.Sanderson(a)ubc.ca wrote: > Despite earlier comments that django-allauth 0.58.1 has been released to fix this issue (and presumably 0.58.2 would have the fix as well), there appears to still be an issue. As Odhiambo indicated with django-allauth==0.57.0, mailman-web compress completes without errors. With django-allauth 0.58.1 and 0.58.2, I still get > > (venv) $ mailman-web compress > Compressing... Error parsing template socialaccount/signup.html: socialaccount/base.html > done > Compressed 2 block(s) from 78 template(s) for 1 context(s). I don't think this is fatal, but I have reported it at https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/issues/3513 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: New installation, new issue: mailman3 migrate -- no module CommonMark

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/27/24 05:13, Bill Oliver wrote: > > (venv) mailman@mail:~$ pip freeze | grep readme > readme-renderer==17.4 Which is over 6 years old. How did that get installed? Current version is 44.0. There may or may not be an issue with the current version as it imports cmarkgfm which is in the venv of all the MM 3 installations I support, but I don't know how it gets there as even though readme_renderer imports it, it is not listed as required by readme_renderer or anything else. In any case, in your venv, do ``` pip install --update readme_renderer cmarkgfm ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Moving/cloning mailman3

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/18/2017 08:56 AM, Dmitry Makovey wrote: > Hi, > > I am drawing a blank looking for documentation for mailman3 migrations. > How can one dump existing settings for mailman and import it into > another instance? The Mailman 3 command 'mailman import21' is what does this <http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/docs/import.ht…>, however there are issues in that not all 2.1 settings are imported at all or correctly and in at least one case on an announce only list, the membership wasn't imported. I intend to work on this, but haven't got as far as even documenting the problems, much less coming up with fixes. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: HTML email sent to lists migrated from Mailman 2.1

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/15/19 8:03 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > Lynx is not used in stripping. Do you have the HTML-to-text > conversion option on? If so I can imagine that lack of Lynx would > fall back to stripping (but that would be a bug, of course, and we'd > want to fix it). If convert_html_to_plaintext is True and html_to_plain_text_command fails for any of several reasons including the command not existing, the HTML part is left in the message. > How about spamming the "mailman" (ie, administrator's) list? I think > Mailman 3 still has that? Nope. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 not starting afte an upgrade -addendum

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/27/20 12:38 AM, Gelpi Andrea wrote: > To solve the problem I had to remove VHOST parameter from config file. > I remember that Vhost was mandatory for my configuration when I set it > up two month ago. > So I don't understand why now I had to remove it to have MM3 working. Are you talking about FILTER_VHOST in your Django settings(_local).py or something else. If something else, I don't know what. If FILTER_VHOST, It has nothing to do with Mailman core. There is this issue with Postorius <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/394> which is fixed in Postorius 1.3.3. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 not delivering list mail

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/1/20 9:27 AM, Gordon Dickens wrote: > It appears that my mailman3 installation has stopped delivering list > mail and that all of the list mail is stuck in > /var/lib/mailman3/queue/bad. > How do I resolve this situation?Â Can I just remove the files with "rm > *" in the /var/lib/mailman3/queue/bad directory?Â Please let me know > what I should do to get things working again. There should be messages in mailman.log like `Uncaught runner exception:` followed by an exception and traceback and possibly `Skipping and preserving unparseable message:` or `SHUNTING FAILED, preserving original entry:`. What do these messages say? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: when on particular person sends a message to the list dozens of OTHER users have their bounce score incremented

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/23/24 8:31 PM, Ken Alker wrote: > We have been experiencing a strange anomaly. We are running a small-ish list. When a particular subscriber to the list sends an email to the list, a couple of dozen (or more) of the recipient's of the message end up with their bounce scores incrementing. The notices of bounce score incrementing, assuming Notify owner on bounce increment is Yes, should contain the bounce DSN. What does it say the reason is? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: when on particular person sends a message to the list dozens of OTHER users have their bounce score incremented

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/30/24 11:00, Ken Alker wrote: > > Unfortunately, now when I respond to list emails (with the re-written From address) my (very old) email client (I still use Mulberry!) defaults to responding to the sender instead of the list, as it had before. I'm hoping this is a nuance of my client and isn't something the other members are going to have to grapple with. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/handlers/dmarc… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Unable to ban users via mailman-shell

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/13/25 07:53, Mihai Moldovan wrote: > > That might be a bug in mailman 3.3.8, though, and indeed, there is > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1062 which might be partly > relevant. While it is generally a fix for use_ipython: true (which I > don't use), it might have also fixed the banner issue for the > non-ipython case. This was added in Mailman 3.3.1 by https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/587 The fix for https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1062 doesn't affect this if you aren't using ipython. Do you have a setting for `banner` in the `[shell]` section of your mailman.cfg? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Caching problem with templates

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/28/25 21:50, Mark wrote: > > Yes, I thought so too. I also tried 0d -- which wrote the expiry date > the same as the created date (to the second). > > # /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg > [mailman] > cache_life: 0d > > But, just as with writing in a past date, it didn't solve the problem. > I also spun up a brand new server to thrash it out there, but no joy > there either. This is a different issue. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1231 The template is not removed from the cache until the next run of the task runner which defaults to running every hour. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Which crontab?

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/05/2017 09:18 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > /etc/mailman.cfg should be owned by mailman? I checked my primary mailserver, > my laptop, and my new Mailman box. ALL files in /etc (except links, which are > lrwxrwxrwx and I didn't check what they point to) are owned by root.root or > owned by root.<other> and not group writable, except one, the directory /etc/ > mailman/, which is owned by root.list and is group writable (drwxrwsr-x). Are > you saying that Mailman should be able to change its own config file? It looks like your Mailman user is 'list'. That is the user that should be running mailman commands. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Archiver "prototype" and disabling archiving at all

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/24/19 5:40 AM, Torge Riedel wrote: > > in the settings of a mailing list I can choose two archivers: > "Hyperkitty" and "prototype". What is this archive "prototype" and how > can I disable/remove/deinstall it? And how can I disable archiving at > all, so no archiver can be chosen in the settings. The prototype archiver stores messages individually in var/archives/prototype/LIST_NAME/. You can disable the prototype archiver by putting [archiver.prototype] enable: no in your mailman.cfg. To disable all archiving, just remove all the [archiver.*] sections from your mailman.cfg or set them to 'enable: no' -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman shell tutorial

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/15/20 11:03 AM, dancab(a)caltech.edu wrote: > > I'm now trying to do some simple injection testing via command line. But I seem to be missing something. > > I've tried using mailman inject with the filename option to one of the lists I've imported but still no luck. What is the command you are giving? It should be something like mailman inject -f your_file listname.example.com You could also specify `-q in` but that's the default. What does the message in your_file look like? Does it have a complete set of headers including To:, From:, Subject:, Date: and Message-ID:, and is To: the list posting address? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Change Dmark settings via command line

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/24/24 10:34, bob B via Mailman-users wrote: > I need to set all the DMARC settings on are lists to "replace from with list address". > > Is there an easy want to do this via cli? I could do it by viewing the web interface but we have a lot of lists. With mailman shell: ``` $ mailman shell Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. >>> for mlist in getUtility(IListManager): ... mlist.dmarc_mitigate_action = DMARCMitigateAction.munge_from ... >>> commit() -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: New domain cannot set set host

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/28/24 10:19 AM, Alain D D Williams wrote: > On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 12:42:41PM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> On 11/27/24 12:18 PM, Alain D D Williams wrote: >>> >>> But it is not in table mailman3web.django_site >>> >>> Please how do I do this ? >> >> Add the domain as a site in the Django web admin UI. > > I did not see this y/day and created the entry in table django_site using SQL. > This might be the cause of the other problems that we have been talking about. It's not likely that this is the cause. > I must admit to finding django daunting -- something that I know nothing about; > I ran "mailman-web --help" and was non the wiser. > > I found the following which did not help either: > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/django-primer.html Yes, Django can be daunting. It is certainly possible to implement alternatives to Postorius and HyperKitty that use some lighter weight, non-Django framework, and it was always our hope that someone would do this and contribute it. A few years ago, EMWD did implement alternatives using PHP, but at least in part due to the untimely death of EMWD's principal, those remain proprietary. That said, if you follow the installation doc at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html you shouldn't need much Django knowledge beyond that and https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/django-primer.html -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: installing a new instance of mm3

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/22/21 6:37 AM, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-users wrote: > Is this document that Brian Carpenter wrote still valid? > > https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10 As Steve said, it should be. > Brian installed my instance. Now its broken. My lists are down. I'm getting > nowhere with diagnostics and troubleshooting (which was easier with mailman > 2). What's broken? Postorius, Hyperkitty, mail delivery, all of them? Do you find any clues in the logs at /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/? Particularly mailman.log for core and mailmansuite.log for Postorius and Hyperkitty. We will try to help if we have information to help identify the problem. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: outgoing.py mailman@example.com issue

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/7/21 1:22 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > dancab(a)caltech.edu writes: > > > I deployed Mailman3 last night and today we've had some "bounced" > > messages with headers referencing mailman(a)example.com. This has > > only happened with a few lists. Any ideas what causes this? ... > Mark may have a better idea. This is a fake DSN that is generated when Mailman's attempt to send a bounce probe results in a failure from the MTA to which Mailman delivers. See code at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/runners/outgoi… and around https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/runners/outgoi… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Language switch

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/30/23 02:01, Massimiliano Paragnani wrote: > Hi, > I can't set other languages in MM3 web. > I did it https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs… > I tried to add language cose in settings_local.py and in mailman.cfg but nothing happens The locale for Mailman's web UI (Django) is determined by your Browser by the Accept-Language header that it sends with requests. You can also set `LANGUAGE_CODE` in settings_local.py to set a default for the installation <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.1/ref/settings/#language-code>. Not that all of this requires that the appropriate compiled message catalogs exist. This requires running the Django admin `compilemessages` command. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Setting configuration variables on all lists from command line

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/26/2017 08:00 AM, Peter Mueller wrote: > Hello, > > could you provide an example how I can set various configuration variables > using "mailman withlist" or "mailman "shell" on _all_ lists? > > E.g. I want to set on all lists: > m.send_welcome_message = 0 > m.send_goodbye_message = 0 $ bin/mailman shell Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell >>> from zope.component import getUtility >>> from mailman.interfaces.listmanager import IListManager >>> listmanager = getUtility(IListManager) >>> for mlist in listmanager.mailing_lists: ... print(mlist.list_name) ... mlist.send_welcome_message = False ... mlist.send_goodbye_message = False ... commit() ... >>> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: [SOLVED] Re: Re: Help with Newbie error -- I think I deleted my server

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/25/21 7:13 AM, William Oliver wrote: > > Just out of curiosity, if I could not have guessed a valid ID number > and did not have the admin interface, how could I have figured out what > site IDs were available? If Postorius is working, recent versions show the SITE_ID in the domains view. I.e. after you added your domain you could have noted the SITE_ID and made the change in settings before deleting the example.com domain. In any case, the django_site table in Mailman's database has the information. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Message-Footer after migrating to Mailman3

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/1/22 03:19, Peter Münster wrote: > > My language setting is "fr", so I've copied templates/site/en > templates/site/fr and now it works. > > So no real problem, but the question remains: why did it not work with > "en"? Because of https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/utilities/i18n… which you referenced previously ``` After all those paths are searched, the final fallback is the English template within the Mailman source tree. ``` I.e. the final fallback is to the English template in the source tree, not to a list, domain or site specific English template in Mailman's `config.TEMPLATE_DIR`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: HyperKitty failure: {"error": "'Thread' instance needs to have a primary key value before this relationship can be used."} (400)

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/19/22 15:52, armin.schoeffmann(a)aegaeon.de wrote: > OK, > quick test - your guess is correct: > Django 4.1.x is the culprit. Downgrading to 4.0.8 brought hyperkitty back to life. > Support for 4.1 was introduced with commit 0f50cae8 (Merge branch 'django4.1' into 'master'). > As I'm not familiar with mailman's dev-conventions - is there a recommended procedure to report the issue? Open an issue at https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/new -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 stopped sending out mail

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/22/23 6:39 AM, webmaster(a)orcas.de wrote: > as of now I think the same as here: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… > Just got it in the logs: "Uncaught runner exception: module 'time' has no attribute 'clock'". That specific issue is from using Mailman Core < 3.3.0 with Python >= 3.8. Note the current release of Mailman Core is 3.3.9. Releases less than 3.3.0 are over 4 years old. > Should we add another try catch because of circumstances like this? This is Python, not Perl or PHP. And we do catch exception and log them as we did in this case. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: Heads up: settings.ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD is deprecated

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/10/25 01:07, Andreas Vetter wrote: > > That is unfortunately not enough to get rid of the Warning, because venv/lib/ > python3.11/site-packages/mailman_web/settings/mailman.py contains the old > ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD and allauth is complains about it. In the recommended virtualenv installation, the settings that Django sees are /etc/mailman3/settings.py. That in turn contains ``` from mailman_web.settings.base import * from mailman_web.settings.mailman import * ``` but if following those imports you have ``` del ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD ``` Django won't see it and won't complain. Did you actually try this? If so, did you put the `del ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD` after `from mailman_web.settings.mailman import *` in /etc/mailman3/settings.py? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Handling of SPAM mails in mailman3 - Do not append original mail to moderation mail

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/18/20 7:11 AM, Torge Riedel wrote: > > I agree. So how to proceed on that? Get developers involved, post > somewhere a feature request? To be honest I don't know how this is > handled in development community of mailman3. You can post to mailman-developers(a)python.org, but such things tend to get put aside and forgotten. The best way to report a bug, feature request, issue, etc is to use the trackers at gitlab.com. In the case of Mailman core, this is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hacking attempts?

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/14/22 12:29 AM, Lists via Mailman-users wrote: > > Is this a problem with our setup? i.e. the “Internal Server Error” bit, or are the hackers just sending bad data that is causing the error? also how do we stop/block this? You have Fedora enabled as one of your social account oAuth providers, but it is may be misconfigured or just broken?. Is it possible to log in via fedora at all? If you don't want/need it, just remove it. I am curently traveling and on my way home and don't have time to provide details of removal, but if you need help, ask and I or someone will respond. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Removing Moderators

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/21/24 13:39, steve.bachinsky(a)tena-sda.org wrote: > In the case of adding a moderator based on an email address, it is unclear whether there is already a user associated with that email address or not. So I tried to use the "moderator = user_manager.make_user(email)" interface. However, when trying to use "mlist.subscribe(moderator, MemberRole.moderator)", I get an error that User must have preferred address. And while I can set "moderator.preferred_address = email", I then get error that there is no attribute "verified_on", and I can't set that on the User. moderator.preferred_address needs to be set to an Address object, not an email. I.e. moderator.preferred_address = user_manager.get_address(email) -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Caching problem with templates

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/26/25 04:25, Mark wrote: > > A footer template is created and initially it works as expected. > > Editing the footer template sees the new content written to the database, > > In addition to viewing the edited content in the database, the new > template can also be viewed in Lynx on localhost at: > > http://localhost:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/<IDENTIFIER>/list:member:regular:footer > > The problem is that the original template is being cached somewhere and > the old footer persists in new emails. What does the database query ``` SELECT uri FROM template WHERE name = 'list:member:regular:footer' AND context = '<IDENTIFIER>'; ``` return? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: howto reallow a banned email ?

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/18/19 9:12 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote: > > By mistake a user has been banned to post to mailman list. How can I > allow him not only to post but also to become a member of a list ? > > I have not found any info on the web, or I have been unable to search > correctly. Do you have the Postorius web UI in your installation? If so go to the list's Ban List and remove the unwanted entry. Or is this perhaps a Mailman 2 question? If so you'll find the ban_list in the web admin UI at Privacy options... -> Subscription rules. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core.

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/26/20 12:00 AM, joseverde(a)gmail.com wrote: > Okay, so I got the webservice of Mailman3 up and running, but when I go to mailman3/postorius/lists/, I get the following error: > > Something went wrong > Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core. Do your settings in the webservice section of mailman.cfg for things like: admin_pass: restpass admin_user: restadmin hostname: localhost port: 8001 (Defaults shoun) match your Django settings MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = 'restadmin' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = 'restpass' MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = 'http://localhost:8001' Also, is Mailman's `rest` runner running ps -fwwA|grep runner=rest should show 3 processes. The runner and 2 workers. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cron error

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/30/20 8:21 AM, gordon(a)dickens.com wrote: > The error has not re-occurred in the last 24 hours since I removed the lock file as Mark recommended. So, I am hopefull that the problem is solved. As I suggested at <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…>, I don't think the underlying issue was with the `mailman digests --send` run by cron. I think any `mailman` command would have failed as long as the dbcreate.db lock residue was in /var/lib/mailman3/locks/. The question is what left that there in the first place. Did you manually run any `mailman` commands that terminated abnormally or were killed in the day before this started? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Missing Base64 encoding from control message reply

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/24/23 07:20, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > The only thing I can think of at the moment that might move the > discussion forward is if Mark knows how to run his test in your Docker > environment to see if it also produces > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Assuming there is not something like ``` [language.en] charset: utf-8 ``` in your mailman.cfg overriding the default us-ascii charset for English, if you send a message From: yourself to list-confirm-xxxxxxx(a)example.com with Subject: Re: Your confirmation is needed to join the list(a)example.com mailing list (replacing list and example.com with the actual list and domain), you should receive a response like (some headers removed) ``` Subject: The results of your email commands From: list-bounces(a)example.com To: mark(a)example.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <169556563227.2592.7908020161516725770(a)example.com> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2023 07:27:12 -0700 Precedence: bulk X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.9b1 List-Id: A test list <list.example.com> List-Help: <mailto:list-request@example.com?subject=help> List-Owner: <mailto:list-owner@example.com> List-Subscribe: <mailto:list-join@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:list-leave@example.com> The results of your email command are provided below. - Original message details: From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)example.com> Subject: Re: Your confirmation is needed to join the list.example.com mailing list. Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2023 07:27:10 -0700 Message-ID: <20230924142710.GA23819(a)example.com> - Results: Confirmation token did not match - Done. ``` What do you get? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating from debian package to Virtualenv

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/8/20 12:45 PM, Ryan Morash wrote: > We currently have our Mailman3 instance installed using the packages in Debian's repository. We want to migrate over to a virtualenv setup as described here: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html. Is there any thing we should be aware of for migrating data? Assuming you will be using the same DBM, I think you could just ensure that your mailman.cfg settings for ``` [mailman] layout: ``` and ``` [paths.<layout_value>] var_dir: ``` end up pointing var_dir at your existing Mailman var/ directory and the [database] section in mailman.cfg and the DATABASES definition in your Django settings reference your existing database(s). -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Confirmation emails to Users has wrong domain name (example.com!)

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/2/21 4:26 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 4:09 PM Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> > wrote: >> >> Yes, please update it to have SITE_ID = 2 to correspond to the site you >> want and restart. > > > I did this, but there is still a problem: The hyperkitty URL still shows > example.com. > Maybe I need to re-import the database to clear this? The SITE_ID setting affects the domain displayed at the top left of HyperKitty pages. Is this the correct domain? What hyperkitty URL are you talking about? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Speed/progress of update_index_one_list?

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/14/22 12:38 AM, Philip Colmer wrote: > I have now switched to Xapian but, in a way, my original questions still > stand. Is there a way of monitoring the progress of > "update_index_one_list"? What can I do to the specification of the server > to make that process go (much) faster? HyperKitty does the indexing by calling the Haystack update_index command. See https://django-haystack.readthedocs.io/en/master/management_commands.html#u… This command has options such as --verbosity and --workers. I think verbosity is set from the option provided to update_index_one_list and if set to 2 will give some progress info. workers could increase parallelism but is unconditionally passed by hyperkitty as 0 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: mail loops back to myself

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/13/25 01:59, Florian Sukup wrote: > > > On 6/13/25 01:58, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> but I'm at a loss to understand the issue, unless your >> /etc/postfix/master.cf is missing an uncommented entry for lmtp like >> ``` >> lmtp unix - - y - - lmtp >> ``` >> > > I found it there, here is my master.cf: I realized after the fact that that probably wasn't the issue because it probably would have logged an error. > mailman unix - n n - - pipe > flags=FRX user=list argv=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/postfix-to-mailman.py > ${nexthop} ${user} > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Is the last line a problem? It seems to be from mailman2. It's a Debian thing for an unsupported MM 2.1 process to deliver mail to Mailman. It doesn't do any harm if it's not referenced in main.cf. > Is there a possibility to debug in more detail? To find out when and > where it takes the wrong turn? I'm unable to see where this is going wrong. I think it is a Postfix issue, not a Mailman issue per se, and while we make a best effort to help with Postfix-Mailman integration issues we are not the primary support resource for Postfix which is the postfix-users(a)postfix.org mailing list. See https://www.postfix.org/lists.html for info on subscribing and posting. Also, since you are dealing with Debian packages, the primary support resource is Debian. See https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 months

[MM3-users] Re: remove non members from a list

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/6/21 10:28 AM, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: > Thanks. Now it's no showing errors (and nothing at all) but apparently > it does nothing. The non mebers of the list (the few that remains: I've > been deleting one at a time from the web) aparently still are there.. > > Knowing the correct procedure will ease me to try tomorrow with a clean > head. It doesn't report anything, and if you don't commit() or exit with control-D, any changes will be rolled back. What does list(m.nonmembers.members) show before doing the unsubscribe() and commit() and then what after? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: list footer web customization procedure

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/17/21 3:06 PM, dancab(a)caltech.edu wrote: > I don't know why either. The mailman shell command seems to have had no effect either. > > Would it be safe to remove those expired rows directly via MySQL commands? Is the id column keyed or joined to another table where I would also have to delete corresponding rows? Yes it should be fine. Just DELETE FROM file_cache; I'm assuming your MySQL database is shared between your two Mailman servers or that both are accessing the same MySQL server. Is it somehow possible that there are two MySQL databases and Mailman is using one and you are looking at another? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to authorise members visibility?

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/25/22 02:50, Pierre Malard via Mailman-users wrote: > Hello, > > My setup: > - Debian 11 > - Mailman3-full v 3.3.3-1 > > My Question: > How to configure the visibility of a list of subscribers to a list? > > I created a list and set "subscriber visibility" to subscribers only. When I log in as such and try to view the list information, I can't see anywhere how to display that list. > It's the same regardless of the setting used for this "subscriber visibility" field (only moderators, only subscribers or anyone). This is a bug in Postorius. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/369 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Digests not working correctly

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/13/23 10:58, Joel Lord wrote: > I ran the "/usr/local/bin/mailman digests --periodic" again, sadly > without the --verbose, and it kicked out the digests as it ought to have > the first time. Now I have to wait for some list traffic to come in to > "recharge" the digests so I have something to test with again. Even with the --verbose option, it wouldn't have helped much because it worked. What we would really like to see is the output with the --verbose option when it fails. It is a mystery to me why it would sometimes fail and sometimes not with the same digest.mmdf file. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Archive date/time vs elapsed time

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/26/23 7:46 PM, Mark wrote: > Hi > > In the archive's "Recent", "Most active" etc displays, the date and > time of each post is shown. > > However, when viewing by "Thread" listing, each post shows the elapsed > time since it was posted ie. the number of days, hours since it was > posted (eg. 1 day, 2 hours). I don't see this. It may have been recently changed. Please visit the archive of this list at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/ and if you see the issue there, post a URL of a page on which you see it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: List Configuration Attribute Descriptions

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/20/24 11:27 AM, steve.bachinsky(a)tena-sda.org wrote: > Where does one obtain a complete and concise description for all of the list configuration attributes? > >>From the documentation, it is shown that the REST "config" interface will provide all of the attribute values associated with a particular list. But how does one find a concise description for all of these attributes? For example, I see that there is a list attribute for "default_nonmember_action" and there are two documentation pages for this attribute, but I can't find a concise description of the attribute and the permitted values. https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/interfaces/mai… may help. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Internal Server Error, Need 2 values to unpack in for loop; got 1

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/29/24 10:23, Elias Rudberg wrote: > > Does it make sense, that "the template and the view should be corrected" > as suggested there? (The template in question would be pagination.html > but I'm not sure exactly how it should be corrected.) It makes sense, but it may difficult. I think we would need to somehow sanitize the query fragments to ensure they didn't contain `items=`, and if they did, probably just return an http 400 Bad Request. The difficulty is finding all the places in all the views that need this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty won't list more than 5 posts and shows empty grey Activity Summary box

by Mark Sapiro

On 08/09/2017 02:35 PM, Abhilash Raj wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 13:42:20 -0700 > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >>> >>> # Send periodic digests. >>> # I like 03:30 so they go overnight, but since we're 'global' and on UTC, >>> # maybe 07:30 is good. >>> 30 7 * * * /opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/bin/mailman digests --send > > I wasn't aware that Core needed cron jobs too, is that true for 3.1 release as > well? It's only that one and whether it's needed or not depends on list configuration. The list has attributes digest_send_periodic and digest_size_threshold. When a post is received it is added to the list's digest mbox, and if that causes the size of the mbox to reach digest_size_threshold K bytes, a digest is sent. Additionally, if digest_send_periodic is true, a digest is sent periodically whether or not it has reached digest_size_threshold. However, the sending of periodic digests depends on cron running something periodically to actually trigger the sending. Note: I've just looked at the code and there seems to be an issue with using 'mailman digests --send' to send the periodic digests. It appears that if a list's digest mbox has any messages, 'mailman digests --send' will send a digest even if digest_send_periodic is false. I've just reported <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/384> for this issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman-web migrate error

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/12/25 12:09, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > This is actually a django-allauth issue. This issue is due to changes in > Django allauth to prevent creating > multiple addresses differing only in case. The problem is if you have > such multiple addresses in your account_emailaddress table, this > migration fails. There is a script at > https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/UC_fix that will fix this. You may need > to adjust the shebang and replace psycopg2 with sqlite3. > > See https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/issues/3019 perhaps > starting at > This issue is due to changes in Django allauth to prevent creating > multiple addresses differing only in case. The problem is if you have > such multiple addresses in your account_emailaddress table, this > migration fails. There is a script at > https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/UC_fix that will fix this. You may need > to adjust the shebang. > > See https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/issues/3019 perhaps > starting at > https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/issues/3019#issuecomment-1748028… That was a bit of a copy/paste messup. It should have said just This is actually a django-allauth issue. This issue is due to changes in Django allauth to prevent creating multiple addresses differing only in case. The problem is if you have such multiple addresses in your account_emailaddress table, this migration fails. There is a script at https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/UC_fix that will fix this. You may need to adjust the shebang. See https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/issues/3019 perhaps starting at https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/issues/3019#issuecomment-1748028… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Disable "confirmation emails"

by Mark Sapiro

On 09/18/2018 01:46 PM, Hagen Bauer wrote: > > even after a lot of google search I could not find a way to disable the > Confirmation Mails like > .... > The results of your email command are provided below. > > - Original message details: > ....... > > Is there a way to do this? I have users who would be irritated and I > dont want them to recieve this Where are you seeing these? There were changes in this area in Mailman core v. 3.2.0 and I think these now should only be sent in response to mail to the -request address that contains a command other than (un)subscribe or confirm. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Disable response to the list request address

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/4/20 11:03 PM, Dieter Leupold via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi all, > > a short question (MM3.1.1): is it possible to avoid responses when > someone sends emails to the request-address (xxx-request(a)lists.xxxx.com) > of a mailinglist? > Thanks for your information! It is not currently possible. What responses are you trying to avoid? If you are interested in not responding to spam sent to the -request address, we could possibly implement a setting to not respond to messages that contain no valid commands and/or messages exceeding some maximum size. You could file an issue requesting this at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: FILTER_VHOST fix - was: Postorius & multi domain

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/23/20 12:11 PM, Gelpi Andrea wrote: > > > I can confirm that the fix works. > > Thank You so much. Thank you for testing and reporting. Note I have just made one minor change to the fix. Where I had in the added code > if (MailDomain.objects.get( > mail_domain=domain.mail_host).site.name == web_host): I now have > if (MailDomain.objects.get( > mail_domain=domain.mail_host).site.domain == web_host): The issue is site.name is the domain's display name whereas the domain name is site.domain. This only matters if you have given the site a display name different from the domain name in Django. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Unable to remove non-member

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/28/20 6:43 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I ran across a strange issue today. A client reported the inability to > remove a non-member in the following format: > > z_email/domain.org.za(a)domain.org.za > > The reported error from Postorius was: > > "The user could not be removed" Is that all it said? The code says it is The user could not be removed: <error message> Where <error message> is the relevant HTTP error. > I used https://verifalia.com/validate-email to validate the email > address and it is syntactically correct. Mailman core thinks it's OK too as does RFC5322. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: List Digest - Subject line

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/12/21 1:44 PM, smorytko(a)gmail.com wrote: > Steve, > > Right you are! Yahoo! Mail apparently disassociates the header information from the text body so I can only see it in the Today's Topics summary, while GMail does not and offers it in both locations. One thing you can try is have your Yahoo users subscribe to the plain text rather than the MIME digest. Generally, at least with good MUAs, MIME is preferred because it preserves non-text parts and allows replying to an individual message as opposed to the digest, but clearly Yahoo is not one of those MUAs and Yahoo users will probably find plain text digests preferable. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 subscribe over command line

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/17/21 1:46 AM, tibor.molnar(a)waltoninstitute.ie wrote: > If I try using this command the following error occurs: > >>>> from mailman.testing.documentation import cli >>>> command = cli('mailman.commands.cli_addmembers.addmembers') > Traceback (most recent call last): ... > ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman.commands.cli_addmembers' What Mailman version is this? The add_members mailman subcommand was added in 3.3.2 and didn't exist before that. In Mailman 3.3.1 and prior, you need to use the members subcommand with the -a/--add option. Also note that mailman.testing.documentation.cli is only intended to be used for tests and not production. See https://click.palletsprojects.com/en/8.0.x/testing/#testing-click-applicati… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to change rest APi password

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/25/21 11:05 AM, bob B wrote: > This is probably s stupid question but I have been searching for an answer. > > How do you set a different rest api password? > > The instructions say : > The credentials are set in the [webservice] section of the configuration using the admin_user and admin_pass properties. But what is that referring to? > > I am running docker, so is this in the docker.yaml file (I tried it there it did not work) or in the Django config file or someplace else? It's in mailman.cfg. Where that file is in the docker container, I don't know. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: FYI: Django security releases issued: 4.0.6 and 3.2.14

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/7/22 12:56 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Thanks to Guillermo for the heads-up. > > As far as I can tell, neither of these functions is used in the > Mailman suite itself. That doesn't mean they aren't used in one of > our dependencies, but it does mean that we can't do much about what's > installed on your host. You should upgrade if you are using Django 3 > or 4. (Not sure we support Django 4.) We will keep a watch on this. I just upgraded from Django 3.2.11 to 3.2.14 on mail.python.org and lists.mailman3.org. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Lost messages - was: Re: Do you struggle with message rejected. AUP#CDRBL while using mailman with your ISP email relay?

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/18/25 9:37 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: > > My problem, on lists.sandelman.ca aka lists.tcpdump.org, is messages that > appear to have been processed by my MTA (according to postfix logs), but > which are never delivered, nor held. Lost somewhere in mailman3 queue. > Sometimes they show up after a host reboot. It seems that maybe not all the runners are running. What's in Mailman's various var/queue/* directories? What's in Mailman's var/logs/mailman.log? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] lists.mailman3.org web site.

by Mark Sapiro

I have just upgraded the lists.mailman3.org Mailman 3 installation to the heads of the GitLab mailman* branches. A major change is the switch from Persona to Django Allauth. This requires some configuration which isn't yet complete. Hopefully it will all be working very soon. In the mean time if you want to log in to Hyperkitty/Postorius you should be able to log in with your email address. The first time you do this, Mailman probably won't even know your password so you'll have to request a reset. Once you have reset your password, you should be able to log in. I hope to have several social auth choices working very soon. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman admin (django) interface does not work anymore after deleting website example.com

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/10/19 8:18 AM, Torge Riedel wrote: > > I deleted the existing "example.com" and added a new one > "lists.mydomain.de". > > Now the admin (django) interface always gives "An error occurred while > processing your request". After one of the first navigation clicks I saw > a message that "site with id 1 is missing". In your Django settings your have SITE_ID = 1 which pointed to the example.com domain you deleted. You need to override this in settings_local.py. Probably SITE_ID = 2 but if that doesn't work, try '0' -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot start lmtp runner due to error while attempting to bind on address ('127.0.0.1', 8024): address already in use

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/3/19 4:42 AM, actionmystique(a)gmail.com wrote: > I've just noticed some potentially misconfigured items in ```/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/config/mailman.cfg``` (and not modified by /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg) > ``` > [runner.lmtp] > class: mailman.runners.lmtp.LMTPRunner > path: > ... > [runner.rest] > class: mailman.runners.rest.RESTRunner > path: > ``` > Is it an issue to have empty ```path```? As far as I can tell, the `path` setting is not referenced anywhere. Its presence in mailman.cfg may be an artifact. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: Confirm and Moderate Unsubscribe Requests

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/21/20 12:14 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > > > Well I can't dictate that to my list owners and there is no confirm > token sent with the moderation notice. Why include this option in > Postorius when it can't be properly handled? Postorius is still a work in progress. The unsubscription policies are in core and are exposed in Postorius. Certainly the ability to moderate an unsubscription should be in Postorius, but it isn't yet. We are an all volunteer project and there aren't that many of us, and perhaps I'm overreacting, but the tone of some of your recent posts seems a bit demanding. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: How do I specify the TCP port number for Postgresql?

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/28/23 11:36 AM, kjohnson(a)eclypse.org wrote: > The mailman.cfg file on the system I am working on includes this line: > > url: postgres://mailman3:mailman3:@localhost/mailman3 First, you should change `postgres` in the url to `postgresql`. See https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.… Also, the second colon shouldn't be there unless it's part of the mailman3 user's password. Then the docs don't say so, but you can change `localhost` to `localhost:pppp` to specify port pppp. The syntax is defined in RFC 1738. See https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1738#section-3.1 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Block members from sending cc's and bcc's

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/23/25 10:04, Cathryn McGuire wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Using Mailman 3 with Affinity web interface and we want to stop our members from sending to cc: or bcc: You won't ever see a Bcc: header in mail to a list. The whole point of Bcc: is to not expose the additional recipients or the fact that there were additional recipients so the sending MUA includes the Bcc recipients in the SMTP RCPT TO commands, but drops the Bcc: header from the message. I.e., There is no way to know whether the original sender included Bcc: recipients or not. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Invalid FilterAction: discard. Treating as discard

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/8/19 1:07 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: > > The Content-Type of the mail sent to the list is multipart/mixed and what are the Content-Types of all the subparts? >>>> list(m.pass_types) > ['multipart/mixed', 'multipart/alternative', 'text/plain'] So these are the only types you accept. If, e.g., one of the sub-parts is multipart/related, that part and all it's sub-parts, regardless of type, will be removed. Presumably, this list was imported from MM 2.1, and the same filtering would have applied there. I'll post a follow-up with how to change pass_types via mailman shell when I work it out. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: who request

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/27/21 1:14 PM, Vako Nicolian wrote: > Is there a way to stop the who request to get membership list? > i.e.: if we send an email to {list}-request@... with *who {password} *on > the subject line, it will send the membership list to the member, I want > that option to be disabled for privacy reasons. Is this Mailman 3 or Mailman 2.1? Note that this list is for Mailman 3 issues/questions and `who {password}` is only applicable to Mailman 2. Please join mailman-users(a)python.org <https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/> and post there for Mailman 2 issues/questions. Anyway, for either, the answer is to set the roster visibility to admins only. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Help needed to create filters that were working in Mailman 2.

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/21/23 11:36 AM, mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu wrote: > I'm using version 1.3.8 Which I installed on Ubuntu 22 on April 18. I'm guessing this feature was installed in 1.3.9? The attached screenshot (which may not make it to the list but should be in your direct copy) is from Postorius 1.3.8 installed via pip. If you don't see this, possibly you have installed the Debian/Ubuntu package and this is a Debian issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: Screen Shot 2023-06-21 at 1.07.49 PM.png

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty threads by month question

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/19/24 1:24 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: > On 7/19/24 4:20 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: >> Here's a link to the server in question, it's just a text box as we work >> through this. There's about 14k people on this list, so we want to >> get it >> right before cut over. >> >> https://nanog-mm3.keekles.org/archives/list/mm2-mm3@nanog-mm3.keekles.org/ > > https://nanog-mm3.keekles.org/archives/list/nanog@nanog-mm3.keekles.org/ That URL gives me as server error. What's in the Django (mailman-web) logs for that? Are you running all the Django periodic jobs and is qcluster running? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Delete a single email or thread from hyperkitty archive

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/15/19 3:52 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > Logged in a superuser, Mailman3, I am unable to see delete message above > tags, only delete thread. I am unable to view a reply as a single > message. What I am fundamentally missing? You are looking at a thread view. To see a message view, follow the "Permalink for this message" link at the bottom of the message (the chain-link icon to the right of the up/down votes and the "A' icons). Or you can go to the URL in the Archived-At: header in the email message received from the list. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to change the language in mailman3

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/22/20 2:45 PM, Massimo Zappalà wrote: > OK thanks, > I solved it by creating the paths > > /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES > /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_mailman3/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES > /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES > /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES > > Then I run this command: > sudo msgfmt django.po -o django.mo Except, based on paths above, Mailman Core's message catalog is not /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/django.*. It is /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/messages/it/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.* There should already be a mailman.po there which can be translated with msgfmt mailman.po -o mailman.mo -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hipperkitty failing to archive messages in a list

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/6/22 4:25 AM, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: > > In the last part of your suggestions you wrote: > > "I suggest you do > > pip install --upgrade hyperkitty mailman-hyperkitty > > and ensure it installs hyperkitty 1.3.5 and mailman-hyperkitty 1.2.0" > > But this is exactly what made me fall in this mess: Sorry, I was confused. I thought the error message you were seeing was changed before HyperKitty 1.3.5 was released, but that isn't correct. The problem is probably in Apache. See the last 2 posts in the thread at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: REST API authorization failed

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/10/22 1:58 AM, Axel Rau wrote: >> >> Anyway, the above is saying that restadmin:??? doesn't match what's configured in Mailman core and reported by `mailman info`. Please check carefully that these are the same in both mailman.cfg admin_pass and settings MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS. > > Yes, again with password disclosed: > - - - ... > (mailman_33) [root@lists5 /usr/local/mailman3]# grep admin var/etc/mailman.cfg > admin_user: restadmin > admin_pass: restpass Does `mailman info` show the same password? > What am I doing wrong? Nothing. > Is something wrong with my installed python packages? The relevant code is at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.p… Does that match yours? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Inline display of attachments

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/26/22 10:01, Axel Rau wrote: > Can this come to work with a plugin? > >> Am 19.01.2022 um 14:28 schrieb Axel Rau <Axel.Rau(a)chaos1.de>: >> >> Signierter PGP-Teil >> I have turned on HYPERKITTY_RENDER_INLINE_IMAGE and Archive Rendering mode set to Markdown text, but images in JPEG or PDF format are not displayed inline. >> Should this work or are my expectations to high? As it says in the docs at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/rendering.html#imag… you have to include markup like ``` ![Image's alt text](http://image.com/file.png "Image Title") ``` in the message text to display the image inline. The `!` is important. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: MTA authentication and smtpd_sender_login_maps

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/25/22 11:00, Jan Eden via Mailman-users wrote: > > I obviously do not want to add an entry to the map file for each mailing > list created by someone on the server. Is there a way to > programmatically create a sender login map with Mailman? You could modify mailman/src/mailman/mta/postfix.py to create a smtpd_sender_login_maps file with the desired content or you could create a script that creates the file using data in the generated var/data/postfix_lmtp. If the latter, you might be able to create a plugin <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/plugins/do…> to run the script whenever a list is created or deleted -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: Subscription requests = 0 ? Bug or feature?

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/24/23 04:15, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > Even though I have a "Pending confirmation" request, the total entries > under the subscription requests reads zero. > I thought it should read whatever the total of (pending confirmation + > pending approval) is. It only counts the requests waiting moderator approval because this is the number requiring moderator action. It doesn't count the requests waiting user confirmation. The only reason these are even available in the moderator interface is so the moderator can discard them in cases where the user has lost the confirmation email and can't confirm and can't subscribe again because of the pending confirmation. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Do not show archives to public

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/18/19 5:21 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > > This resulted in dozens of messages about Django errors, when I turned on > Private Archives, and then accessed the page. Is that to be expected? [Hard > to imagine.] Perhaps you have to wait? But how long typically? This is definitely not expected. What are the errors? Including tracebacks from logs if any. As far as waiting is concerned, I think the thing you might be waiting for is the Django sync_mailman job which, if you have set up cron to run the periodic Django jobs, runs daily, but you can run it manually via the Django admin `runjob sync_mailman` command. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mails are not archived at all -- how to check if Hyperkitty is running or not?

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/29/19 8:21 PM, Franklin Weng wrote: > Yes, it is checked. Have you checked Mailman's logs - Mailman's var/logs/mailman.log in particular? Do messages received from the list have an Archived-At: header? What's in /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg? In particular does the [general] setting base_url define a URL that accesses hyperkitty and does the [general] setting api_key match the MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY setting in /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py, but note that the MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY setting is quotes because it is a Python string assignment and the api_key setting is not quoted. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Easiest way to install a new mailman3 deployment?

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/5/21 3:37 PM, Ruth Ivimey-Cook wrote: > > I have only split mailman in two: mailman-core with the email-related > parts, and postorius for the UI. As yet, although Hyperkitty "works", I > haven't addressed the fact that mails get archived in folders on the > email host and so (for me) hyperkitty can't see them. Ideally, they > would be on the postorius/hyperkitty host, or possibly network shared The emails that get archived in folders on the Mailman core host are archived by the 'prototype' archiver, not by HyperKitty. HyperKitty archived emails are in tables in Django's database. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 on AlmaLinux 9 - Python3.9 errors

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/18/24 11:12 AM, willie.castillo(a)caemilusa.com wrote: > Mark first let me thank you for your assistance with this. I don't believe I mentioned that this is a fresh/new installation I'm performing on an AlmaLinux 9.4 VM. I have searched everywhere for a solid Mailman installation on AlmaLinux document/process but, I haven't had any luck. I tried following documentation on this site and I only found this https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/distro.html. Did you see my post at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… We recommend installing Pypi packages in a virtualenv. Doc is at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Help on removing moderators

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/4/20 12:30 PM, sean_sullivan(a)rhoworld.com wrote: > Never mind, I was able to figure it out. If anyone else is searching for a similar issue. Here again, using mailmanclient can work, but it is very round about. I.e. you are calling client which makes a REST call via http to core to do what you want when you can talk to core directly. > from urllib.error import HTTPError > > def remove(mlist): > curr_list = mlist.fqdn_listname > my_list = client.get_list(curr_list) > r_addresses = ['test1(a)example.com', 'test2(a)example.com', 'test3(a)example.com'] > for email_addr in r_addresses: > try: > my_list.remove_owner(email_addr) > except HTTPError as err: > print (email_addr,my_list, err) -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Editing a Subscriber's Mailman 3 list Settings

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/1/21 11:08 AM, Terry Earley wrote: > Admin users can edit subscriber's Mailman list settings. Once that > subscriber registers as a user, then only he/she can edit. Admin no longer > has permission to change these settings. > [image: editSubscriberByAdmin.gif] The image removed by this list's content filtering was a partial screenshot of a Postorius member options page with the error message "Cannot convert parameters: acknowledge_posts, delivery_status, hide_address, receive_list_copy, receive_own_postings" What Postorius version is this? I am unable to duplicate this either as a site admin or a non-site-admin list owner with Postorius from the head of the gitlab branch (1.3.5b1). -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Apache shows No Lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/21/23 15:15, ceo(a)sartrack.nz wrote: > Running Debian 11. > > I have 6 mailing lists, but Apache2 says there are no lists. > I have not been able to set up Postorius because nowhere is any information on *where* the configuration file is supposed to be located. If Postorius is not running, what is Apache looking at? > I have found an example in > /usr/share/doc/python3-django-hyperkitty/examples/settings.py > > But I don't know if this example is the right one, and I have no idea where the final file should go... Please follow the doc at <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html>. This is our current recommendation. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: nginx configuration on a multitasking server

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/10/21 3:22 PM, David Newman wrote: > On 12/10/21 12:57 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> Are you using uwsgi or some other wsgi server. > > uwsgi, per the venv and PDF docs. Thanks for the fix. > > Regarding the uwsgi_pass docs, would 'uwsgi_pass_header' directives > replace the 'proxy_set_header' ones in the venv doc? > > Looking at the uwsgi doc, it seems they might do different things. If you are using uwsgi and proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000 is working for you, then I'm satisfied that the docs are OK now and we don't need to say anything about uwsgi_pass. > It's not the situation I have to deal with, though. Short of changing a > long-standing URL, what I'm looking to do is have "/" continue to > default to roundcubemail, and have users type in longer URLs for MM3 and > other services. I think you can set the document root to the roundcubemail root and then set locations for the Mailman destinations as, e.g. location /mailman3/ { proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000; proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; } location /archives/ { proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000; proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; } location /accounts/ { proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000; proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; } location /admin/ { proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000; proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; } location /user-profile/ { proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000; proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; } I haven't tried anything like this, so I'm not sure it will work, but I think so. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: Extracting mailing list users

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/1/23 08:14, Eggert Ehmke via Mailman-users wrote: > I edited this file: > venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_members.py > > The content at line 107ff is: > #patch of Mark Sapiro > # if email_only: > if email_only or not address.display_name: > print(address.original_email, file=outfp) > else: > # print(formataddr((address.display_name, address.original_email)), file=outfp) > print(f'{address.display_name} <{address.original_email}>', file=outfp) > > This file is actually executed when I call mailman members. I verified this by uncommenting the first (old) print line. Now each address is printed twice (as expected), with the utf8 code in both lines in case of umlauts. In that case the address.display_name value is the RFC 2047 encoded name. One way this can happen is if the subscribe was via email prior to Mailman 3.3.3. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/802. You could try something like this to fix these. ``` mailman shell Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. >>> um = getUtility(IUserManager) >>> from email.header import decode_header, make_header >>> for address in um.addresses: ... decoded = str(make_header(decode_header(address.display_name))) ... if decoded != address.display_name: ... address.display_name = decoded ... print(f'Fixed {decoded}') ... >>> # while you're at it do users too. >>> for user in um.users: ... decoded = str(make_header(decode_header(user.display_name))) ... if decoded != user.display_name: ... user.display_name = decoded ... print(f'Fixed {decoded}') ... >>> commit() ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Editing "automatic responses" tab i Postorius does not work

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/21/17 12:49 PM, David Krantz wrote: > But this one is already exposed. But I cannot change it anyway as the > tab requires URIs for the different templates to allow saving. I do > not use those URIs as I have configured the defaults as I like them. I > tried once and it failed so I decided to set the defaults instead. I'm sorry for totally missing your point in my prior reply. I now understand. The page should not require entries in those fields. This is now reported at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/186>, and we will fix it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Default list styles

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/27/22 00:35, Jan Eden via Mailman-users wrote: > > In practice, a list created with the announce style is configured just > as an ordinary mailing list (as far as I can see in the web interface, > and according to the handling of a test message sent by a regular member > of an announce list). The only difference between the announce style and the discussion style is that for the former, the list's allow_list_posts setting is False and for the latter it's True, and currently the only thing that controls is the content of the List-Post: header which is `<mailto:list@example.com>` for discussion lists and `NO` for announce lists. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: add custom styles to postorius list creation menu

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/3/22 04:53, mhazan(a)mandint.org wrote: > > working on that plugin, i have found where to inserts the various > setting, however it's not clear what types and possibles value are > excepted for each ? ie "advertised" is bool True/false, but what about > "default_member_action" ? i've tried hold 'hold' "hold" all throw error > when trying to apply the style. from mailman.interfaces.action import Action mlist.default_member_action = Action.hold > i cannot find the types in the > documentation and all the other non bool settings. Look at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/styles/base.py for an example. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: WebFrontend language not working

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/5/22 13:36, c.buhtz(a)posteo.jp wrote: > Hello, > > I am using mailman3 as list owner on python.org. > > The web-frontend shows me everything in "German" which is my native > language (in OS, Browser, GeoIP). But I want it in English. in my > "Global Mailman-Settings" the "Preferred Language ( "Bevorzugte Sprache" > ) is set to "English (USA)". But it seems to me that this doesn't affect > the WebFront end. > > How can set the WebFront end to English? Tell your browser that your preferred language is English. The web UI is based on Django and Django gets your locale from your browser. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Members (and moderators) can't view the list of members.

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/7/24 13:34, mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu wrote: > I installed Mailman 3 almost 2 years ago. I only now noticed that members of a mailing list can't view the list of members. Even moderators can't see the list. Only Owners. The error message is "You do not have permissions to visit this page." > > Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer) > Mailman Core API Version 3.1 > Mailman Core Python Version 3.10.12 (main, Jun 11 2023, 05:26:28) [GCC 11.4.0] > Postorius Version 1.3.8 This is https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/369 fixed by https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/770 in Postorius 1.3.9 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: modify subscription page by mailinglist?

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/10/22 5:32 AM, Lars Schimmer wrote: > > And I think I could fiddle out how it works. But in general, e.g. a > custom page per mailinglist for the "list information page" is a bit > more work than expected and I will not follow this idea. > (e.g. adding a logo per list, ...) I don't know if this would meet your requirement or not, but the Summary section of the list information page is built in part from list settings. The first line is the list's `description` and the next part is the lists `information`. The `information` can contain HTML so you could include a logo there. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Emergency moderation and clearing out a lot of held messages

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/16/22 15:52, Dan Caballero wrote: > Thanks Mark! > > We're using GNU Mailman 3.3.5 (Tom Sawyer). The tests I did via the Docker container used a database dump from our production MySQL server. > > We have 2050 lists. The address table in the database has 95028 rows. For what it's worth, mail.python.org has 188 Mailman 3 lists and 85852 rows in the address table, and handling a message waiting moderation takes only a second or two. Thus, whatever the scaling issue is, it's likely related to the number of lists as opposed to the number of list members. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: ham-confirm+3ee85b006eeb5897ca6f53b093cb063672f6a784@example.com

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/17/21 1:27 AM, Jörg Klein wrote: > I want add some subscribers. When the I get this error message: > I have no address ham-request(a)example.com. Do I need for every mailing list more as the mailing list email address? How does your MTA deliver to Mailman? If you are using one of the Postfix or Exim configurations described at <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h…>, things should work, but in any case, for every list you need to deliver all of the following to Mailman: LISTNAME(a)example.com LISTNAME-bounces(a)example.com LISTNAME-confirm(a)example.com LISTNAME-join(a)example.com LISTNAME-leave(a)example.com LISTNAME-owner(a)example.com LISTNAME-request(a)example.com LISTNAME-subscribe(a)example.com LISTNAME-unsubscribe(a)example.com -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: New messages not being archived

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/22/21 12:34 PM, Sarah H wrote: > Hyperkitty works fine in browser at https://lists.client.org/archives/ and the vast majority of my testing messages are made through the web browser, though I've tried via email as well with the same results. > > curl to http://127.0.0.1:8000/hyperkitty/ results in the same error as above. What if you ``` curl http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/ ``` and what to you get in a browser from ``` https://example.com/archives/api/mailman/urls ``` And what's in urlpatterns in /opt/mailman/mm/urls.py? I'm sure it contains ``` url(r'^archives/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), ``` but I'm suspecting it doesn't contain ``` url(r'^hyperkitty/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: importing from google groups.

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/22/19 7:33 PM, Abhijith PA via Mailman-users wrote: > Hello. > > > Is it possible to import google group archives to mailman3. With this[1] > script, I was able to export archives. Please let me know if anyone have > tried and succeeded. > > > --abhijith > [1] - https://github.com/icy/google-group-crawler It looks like the script produces a mbox format output file, so all you need to import the archive is to run the django admin job hyperkitty_import to import the mbox. Run hyperkitty_import with the --help option for information and note that if there are existing messages in the target archive, you need the --since option to get older messages. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: New messages not being archived

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/15/21 11:08 AM, Sarah H wrote: > the logs definitely look like it's the hyperkitty URL. I have tried several different variations of the default URL, the sites URL, and anything else I can find but they all return either a not found or bad response error. is there any way I can find specifically what the URL is aside from changing the config and making a new post each time? Have you tried the base URL that you use to access HyperKitty from your web browser?, E.g., for this list 'https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/' Also, it should be a URL you can get from a shell on the server with curl. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hipperkitty failing to archive messages in a list

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/6/22 10:35 AM, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: > > It looks the right way (I have apache running in that server) to solve > it. What intrigues me is the fact that I didn't change anything in the > apache config or update apache itself. That doesn't matter. With your older HyperKitty and mailman-hyperkitty the MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY was sent from mailman-hyperkitty to HyperKitty as a query fragment (key=...) in the URL. The changes in HyperKitty 1.3.5 and mailman-hyperkitty 1.2.0 send it in an Authorization HTTP header instead, so before, it didn't matter if the Authorization HTTP header was dropped, now it does. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Excluding archives from a mailman3web database backup

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/23/22 17:38, Andy Smith wrote: > > Is that a realistic proposal? i.e. does a typical maildir2mbox > conversion script generate something that "manage.py > hyperkitty_import" would be happy with when run on prototype's > maildir? Yes. > If so, is it safe to just exclude every table starting with > "hyperkitty_" from the database backup of mailman3web? Dumping only > the schema for these, I mean, so that an import would restore empty > tables. That should be safe. The hyperkitty_import job should populate the tables as necessary. You will lose things like favorites, last views, tags and votes, but that may not be important. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Link to account

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/11/23 23:08, Lars Bjørndal wrote: > > I would like to have postorius at .../mailman3 and admin, accounts etc. under .../mailman3/admin .../mailman3/accounts etc. Try this. In urls.py ``` urlpatterns = [ path( '', RedirectView.as_view(url=reverse_lazy('list_index'), permanent=True), ), path('mailman3/archives/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), path('', include('django_mailman3.urls')), path('mailman3/accounts/', include('allauth.urls')), path('mailman3/admin/', admin.site.urls), path('mailman3/', include('postorius.urls')), ] ``` In apache ``` <IfModule mod_proxy.c> ProxyPreserveHost On ProxyPass "/mailman3/archives" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/mailman3/archives" ProxyPass "/mailman3/accounts" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/mailman3/accounts" ProxyPass "/mailman3/admin" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/mailman3/admin" ProxyPass "user-profile" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/user-profile" ProxyPass "/mailman3" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/mailman3" </IfModule> ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot Install Web UI

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/31/25 08:16, dap1--- via Mailman-users wrote: > I don't know where to go from here. I've verified that ports 443 and 8000 are both listening. If they weren't, you wouldn't be getting 404 errors. If you were proxying to a port that wasn't listening you'd get a 503 Service unavailable and if your web server wasn't listening your browser wouldn't be able to connect. To recap, the issue is http://localhost/mailman3 and presumably https://localhost/mailman3 give a 404. What about other urls like https://localhost/mailman3/lists/ https://localhost/archives https://localhost/accounts https://localhost/user-profile And again, is there anything relevant in /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/error.log? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 month, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: The MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY was not sent as the Authorization HTTP header.

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/25/21 5:18 AM, Marco Marinello wrote: > Finally have found my issue... Apache automatically removes the header, see https://stackoverflow.com/questions/26549250/apache-strips-down-authorizati… . Hope it can be useful for somebody else! I'm glad you found this, but I'm a bit confused. I run a few servers with apache 2.4 proxying to gunicorn and I don't see the issue. Perhaps this is a uWSGI or mod_wsgi issue. In any case, it can possibly be avoided by setting base_url in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg to something like base_url: https://127.0.0.1:8000/archives or whatever localhost port the WSGI application is listening on to bypass apache. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: list footer web customization procedure

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/16/21 10:35 AM, dancab(a)caltech.edu wrote: > Mark, > > I updated mailman.cfg to point at our shared EFS mount. > > cache_dir: /mnt/var-mailman3/cache > > But I'm still getting reports of this issue. Is there somewhere else I need to set that location? If your layout is other than fhs, I would set var_dir: /mnt/var-mailman3/ For fhs layout, I would ensure that at a minimum, /var/lib/mailman, /var/spool/mailman and /var/lock/mailman are all shared. However for your issue with shared cache, you need to wait 7 days for all the old cache entries to expire or do getUtility(ICacheManager).clear() in `mailman shell` to clear the cache. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Database permission problem?

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/15/24 15:03, Bill Oliver wrote: > > I'll also add that the instructions get a little hazy when you get to > the "Unusual Postfix configuration" part, which is me, with multiple > virtual domains, virtual mailboxes, and use dovecot. > > For instance, it's not clear to me in the "Unusual Postfix > configuration" when you should use > > local_recipient_maps = > hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp ${dovecot} > > versus > > local_recipient_maps = > hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp I don't know anything about postfix configurations for dovecot delivery. I've only used dovecot for sasl authentication. In any case, dovecot delivery should not be involved in delivery to Mailman. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Python backtrace from `mailman -h`

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/24/25 17:03, Peter Chubb via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi Folks, > I'm running the Debian-packaged mailman3 (yes I know ...) > and running: > sudo -u list mailman -h > gives a python backtrace (which I've appended the tail end of). > Can someone who has the upstream installed version (using venv) > please check that `mailman -h` works there before I waste too much time > investigating in the wrong places? Yes, `mailman -h` works and produces the same help output and list of subcommands as `mailman` with no arguments or options. Does it work with no options? Does it work if you do `mailman -C path/to/mailman.cfg -h`? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 Docker

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/6/19 6:54 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > If I could run MM3 using the apt-get install method, perhaps that would > have made my life a bit easier, hoping that MM3 can actually be run in > parallel with MM2.1 on the same host. Is anyone doing that already?? Yes. I am on two production and one development machines. See, e.g. <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/> and <https://mail.python.org/mailman3/> One caveat here is I install both Mailman 2.1 and Mailman 3 from source on all these machines. I don't know for example if the Debian/Ubuntu packages play well together. See <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience> for more on how I install MM 3. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Affinity Mailman Is Now Beta

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/18/20 12:44 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > Dear Mailman Admins and Users, > > Affinity Mailman is our new admin interface for Mailman 3 and we intend > to use it to replace Postorius. It has been under development for about > 3 months now and it recently reached beta. Just to be clear, Brian has the full support of the GNU Mailman project in his endeavor to create a new web UI for Mailman 3, but "our" above means Brian and EMWD, not the GNU Mailman project. We of the GNU Mailman project are delighted that Brian is working on an alternative web UI, but we have no plan to abandon Postorius and HyperKitty. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Using external services for deliverability?

by Mark Sapiro

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 7/10/20 8:10 PM, tom(a)gather.coop wrote: > > Makes sense. So given that the opendkim milter > > matches on the From header, am I correct in telling opendkim to sign emails from > > any email address with my domain? > > So my whole SigningTable might be something like > > > > * mail._domainkey.mydomain.com > > > > Yes. Actually, I knew there was more to it than that, but I had forgotten the detail. You can have *(a)mydomain.com mail._domainkey.mydomain.com as your SigningTable entry, but you need to specify SenderHeaders List-Post,Sender,From in your opendkim.conf. This will find the list address in the List-Post header of mail from your lists and that will be list(a)mydomain.com which will match the above SigningTable entry.

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Make archives private by default

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/8/23 06:40, Johannes Rohr wrote: > Dear all, > > in mailman2 there was a setting that ensured that the archives of newly > created lists are by default privat ( > > DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE = 1 > > > Is there something similar in Mailman3? Set [styles] default: private-default in mailman.cfg. There are other effects to this style. namely, in addition to setting archives to private, it also sets the subscription policy to confirm then moderate and sets the list unadvertised. If you want a style that's like ordinary discussion list style except with private archives, but advertised and subscription policy = confirm, you'd need to create a plugin with your own style. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Fwd: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /archives/search

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/28/23 11:48, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Odhiambo Washington writes: > > > from mailman_web.settings.base import * > > from mailman_web.settings.mailman import * > > I think just putting these as close to the top as possible, and > including a comment (or two) saying that this is importing defaults > that can be overridden by any assignment made later in the file is > about as far as we can go for explaining. I've Just updated this. It now says: ``` # Get the default settings. from mailman_web.settings.base import * from mailman_web.settings.mailman import * # Settings below supplement or override the defaults. ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Python is updated

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/29/23 01:44, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 8:25 AM Lars Bjørndal <lars(a)lamasti.net> wrote: > >> So you have settings.py in /opt/mailman/mm rather than in /etc/mailman3? >> > > That's right - based on an earlier installation method before the official > virtualenv > <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst…> > one was put together, and that's why he has that shell file. > For a virtualenv > <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst…> > setup, your settings should live in /etc/mailman3 as stated. If you are interested in background on prior installation methods and their evolution, see https://wiki.list.org/x/17891998 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Subscribing users stuck in pending hell

by Mark Sapiro

On May 24, 2023 9:45:45 AM PDT, Quanah Gibson-Mount <quanah(a)fast-mail.org> wrote: >That shell script seems to have errors: > >>>> pendings = getUtility(IPendings) >>>> for token, data in pendings.find( >... token_owner=TokenOwner.subscriber, >... pend_type='subscription'): >... print("hello") >... >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "<console>", line 3, in <module> > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper > return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) >TypeError: find() got an unexpected keyword argument 'token_owner' Your Mailman core is too old for that script. Tell me your core version and I will try to make one that works for you. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Importing mailman 2 shows member's "Moderation Action" = "Default processing". But new members show = "None". Why

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/29/23 10:45, mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu wrote: > Thanks. Although IMHO I would prefer that the display show the actual action, and adding with a red asterisk to denote that it's the list default. It's a somewhat simple fix, although I've omitted the asterisk, because it's not important to me that it's the list default. Something like: I plan no further changes beyond <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/811>, but if you were to submit a merge request, we'd consider it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius admin/user guide

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/8/24 02:59, Florin Pasăre via Mailman-users wrote: > Hello, > We're trying to update mailman to version 3 from version 2, and I can't > seem to find some non-technical guide for Postorius, something like an > owners manual for all the configurations available in Postorius. > Is there such a thing? No, at this time there is not. All we have at the moment is https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/ which isn't what you're looking for. You just have to page through the settings to see what's there. Hopefully the various categories are clear enough that if you're looking for something specific, you can find it easily. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Confirmation for subscriptions

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/23/19 7:28 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 6/23/19 7:11 PM, andrew.bernard(a)gmail.com wrote: >> I have had some trouble with uwsgi, now resolved. Not that there may be any connection, but now, email requests to join are sent a confirmation mail, but the webui just signs you up with no confirmation despite having the subscription policy set to Confirm, and the right code in the database table underneath. > > > Is this a web subscribe for a logged in user or and "anonymous > subscribe" for a non-logged in user or both? I have done some further investigation. With subscribe policy 'confirm': A person without an account can subscribe to a list anonymously. The person is sent an email requesting confirmation of her address and intent to subscribe. Replying to the email confirms the address and subscribes it. A person can sign up for an account with an email address. This results in an email request to the address with a link to confirm it. Following the link and confirming the address then creates the account with the confirmed address. Subsequently, the user can log in and subscribe to the list without further confirmation because the user has already confirmed the address and has logged in, so further confirmation is not required. If subscribe policy is 'moderate', both of the above cases send the request to the moderator for approval. I think this behavior, particularly allowing a logged in user with a confirmed address to subscribe without further confirmation, is reasonable. Is this what you see, or are you seeing something else. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Emailing a list from the list server

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/1/20 11:56 AM, Mark Dadgar wrote: > On Jun 1, 2020, at 11:45 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >> >> What's in Postfix's mail.log? > > > Jun 1 11:54:55 mail postfix/lmtp[238922]: 1F42613BEB5: to=<test3(a)pdc-racing.net>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.04, delays=0.02/0.01/0/0.02, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) OK. It was delivered to Mailman's LMTP runner which presumably accepted it and queued it because that's the only case in which it returns '250' You could set [logging.smtp] level: debug in mailman.cfg to get more logging, but I think that that will just add confirmation of what we already know, i.e., it was queued in the in queue. So that leaves us with: some error in processing shunting the message. In that case the error would be logged in mailman.log and the message would be in var/queue/shunt. or some rule discarding the message. In that case, there should be a DISCARD: <message-id> entry in mailman.log. If that's the case, we still don't know which rule did the discard and why. One thing you might consider is the possibility that you've missed some message because it was delivered to a local mailbox rather than where you expect it. In my case, msapiro.net has an MX record pointing to my real mail server, but it is also the host name of my development box so mail generated on that box for me winds up in /var/mail/mark instead of being delivered to my real mail server. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Can't post to my own list from HyperKitty

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/7/25 02:30, MegaBrutal via Mailman-users wrote: > On Mon, Apr 7, 2025, 03:04 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> so it is saying there is only one choice for sender which I think means >> there is only one address associated with your login. That still doesn't >> explain why it thinks you're not a list member. >> > > Indeed, it doesn't explain. Are there any maintenance scripts or DB queries > you recommend to run to get to see what's happening under the hood? Not offhand. What is the exact email address that you are logging on to the web UI with. Does it match exactly with the address of a list member or are there mixed-case differences? You might try an interaction like this: ``` mailman-web shell Python 3.12.8 (main, Dec 21 2024, 12:52:28) [GCC 9.4.0] on linux Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. (InteractiveConsole) >>> from django_mailman3.lib.mailman import get_mailman_client >>> client = get_mailman_client() >>> list_id = 'test.example.com' # your actual list_id >>> rest_list = client.get_list(list_id) >>> email = 'user(a)example.com' # your actual email >>> member = rest_list.get_member(email) >>> member This should print something like <Member 'user(a)example.com' on 'test.example.com' with role 'member'> ``` This is exactly what HyperKitty is doing except in your case rest_list.get_member(email) is throwing a ValueError exception instead of returning the member. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 months

[MM3-users] Re: "Delete this thread" -> 'HTTP-500 -> NoneType' object has no attribute 'all'

by Mark Sapiro

On 05/28/2017 06:07 AM, Simon Liebold via Mailman-users wrote: > Is deleting threads from the archive (via Hyperkitty) currently > supported? I am getting the error indicated above if I click on "Delete > this thread". I just tested this on another list on this server. and both 'delete message' and 'delete thread' worked for me with the latest release Hyperkitty 1.1.0, django_mailman3 1.1.0 and Django-1.10.7. Did you get to the confirmation page and then get the 500 or did the 500 come before getting the confirmation page? Is there a full traceback in mailman_web.log? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 & postfix ... (mail loops back to myself)

by Mark Sapiro

On 01/18/2018 02:25 PM, Dmitry Makovey wrote: > > transport_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp > local_recipient_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp > relay_domains = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains The initial implementation of Mailman's regexp maps for Postfix was broken. This was fixed by <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/merge_requests/323>. The bottom line is if /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp contains entries like /^foo-bounces(a)lists\.my\.com$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^foo-confirm(a)lists\.my\.com$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 these entries (only the -confirm and -bounces, not the others) need to be /^foo-bounces(\+.*)?(a)lists\.my\.com$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^foo-confirm(\+.*)?(a)lists\.my\.com$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 because Postfix recipient_delimiter = + is not effective for regexp tables. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 Docker

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/8/19 10:03 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > Thank you for clarifying. > So once I have a venv created, the services will just run as long as the > startup scripts are running even when I'm logged out of the system? As long as the startup scripts actually reference things in the venv. If you look at the samples in the Recommended Configuration section at <https://wiki.list.org/x/17891998> for /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin (sample) Script to run Django management commands. /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman (sample) Script to run mailman commands. and /opt/mailman/mm/bin/gunicorn (sample) Script to start Gunicorn. You will see they all do things like activate the venv or run a command from venv/bin. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty Recommended mySQL Database Setup & Archive Importing

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/9/20 6:06 PM, matthew(a)alberti.us wrote: > Thanks Mark. Also, just to confirm, should the database connection string > also be updated? In both the core and web configuration, I have something > like: > > DATABASE_URL=mysql+pymysql://mailman:password@database/mailmandb > > Note the trailing UTF-8 encoding stuff isn't there. Should we be specifying > utf8mb4 there as well? In the mailman.cfg database section, you probably want url: mysql+pymysql://myuser:mypassword@mymysqlhost/mailman?charset=utf8mb4&use_unicode=1 I don't know why you would have a DATABASE_URL setting in the web configuration. Exactly where is this? I don't think it would be meaningful in any Django settings. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: archiving problem & updates

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/18/21 10:00 AM, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-users wrote: > Archiving has stopped working. No changes were made to the server. How can I diagnose and troubleshoot this please? Start by looking at Mailman's logs and also see if there are messages to be archived in Mailman's var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ directory. > Are there instructions for how to update mailman3 somewhere? Is there a listing of bug fixes also? There are some instructions at <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/upgrade-3.2.html>. Bug fixes are listed in each project's 'news', e.g., <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.…> for Mailman core and <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/news.html> for HyperKitty. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Disabled by bounce

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/1/23 10:32, Allan Hansen wrote: > Thank you, Mark. > By > > "However, all of the above can be avoided without any DMARC changes by > enabling bounce probes." > > Do you mean that I can get rid of the 'From' mangling, which has been a frequent source of embarrassment because the list address is captured and reused by type-ahead when sending non-list messages and those messages instead going to 1000 subscribers. No. If you enable bounce probes, it will prevent users having delivery disabled and being unsubscribed by bounce if the only bounces are for DMARC policy reasons, but they will still be missing mail if you don't apply DMARC mitigations. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: 120 gmail users removed from lists !

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/24/23 10:04 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: > > Speaking of the new additions in Mailman 3.3.9, does anyone have a list of the domains Google are using which we can add to the list so we can disable the unconditional DMARC mitigations for all list posts? Its probably somewhere obvious on a Gitlab issue or similar, but haven't found it yet. The only domains you need to consider are those of your list members, probably only gmail.com, and maybe googlemail.com. I'm not sure how gmail would treat mail From: user(a)some.other.domain where the MX for some.other.domain is a google server, but that could be potentially any domain. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Detecting abuses (login errors)

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/30/24 03:52, Marc SCHAEFER wrote: > Hello, > > If someone tries to access an account multiple times with a bad password, > is there anything in the Mailman3 web app to report this? > > 1. I didn't see any info about login errors in the logs I have, maybe > I need to enable something? > > 2. is it possible to customize log output so that the proxified > IP address is written in the log? (I use a reverse proxy) > > The idea would be to trigger fail2ban & AbuseIPdb on those. Web logins are handled by django-allauth <https://pypi.org/project/django-allauth/> This is a question for that project. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to run this script (attached) in the mailman shell (or withlist)?

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/5/25 15:18, Wikinaut wrote: > Okay, the mileage was long. > It now works finally. Thank you for your patience. > > How to place the script somewhere else ( outside /opt/mailman/venv/bin ), is this possible to have it in /home/maillistgen for example? It can be anywhere, but it has to be importable by Python which means it needs to be in a directory somewhere in sys.path. You could put it in /home/maillistgen if you `export PYTHONPATH='/home/maillistgen'` before running `mailman shell` The PYTHONPATH environment variable will add that directory to sys.path for subsequent python invocations. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: After moving to a another server, mail footers show only this smart text "Cache content lost"

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/10/25 06:58, Wikinaut wrote: > After moving to a another server, mail footer shows only text "Cache content lost". > > I moved the two databases (mailman3, mailmanweb) to another server, but now my Mailinglist shows this in the footer, uh, what did I forget to move? You copied the database which includes entries for cached templates in the file_cache table but you didn't copy the CACHE_DIR ($var_dir/cache). The easiest thing is probably to just clear the cache. In mailman shell >>> getUtility(ICacheManager).clear() >>> commit() -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman 3 Keeps Forgettings Imported Lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 07/31/2018 12:39 PM, Ryan McClung wrote: > I do see the output of the script and it shows the mailing lists being > created. If you put "${VARIABLE}"@domain.com it outputs correctly. > > Also, to that end, the output of lists changes depending on which directory > I am in which makes 0 sense. That is the problem. Either your mailman.cfg does not specify a fixed directory for var_dir or the mailman command(s) you run do not specify a fixed mailman.cfg. If you look, you will probably see a var/ directory is every directory in which you ran a 'mailman' command and they will all have different databases, etc. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: bouncing mail commands

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/23/19 1:02 PM, Liebeskind Uri (luri) wrote: > Hi all, > > > > when a subscribtion confirmation is sent to MM it replies a bounce mail about unknown commands in the mail. This is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/516>, fixed by <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/merge_requests/422> for messages to the -join (-subscribe), -leave (-unsubscribe), and -confirm addresses. For a message to the -request address with a 'confirm' command in the subject or body, this is trickier because by design, messages to the -request address can contain multiple commands, but this should not be a problem because the confirmation request is From: the -confirm address so the confirming reply should go there and not to the -request address. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: How to store additional information about lists?

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/20/21 2:28 PM, Andreas Barth wrote: > > Any hints how to do that best? Is it possible to store custom > attributes, or should that be stored elsewhere? Storing custom attributes as part of the MailingList object would require modifying the model in mailman/model/mailinglist.py and probably creating an alembic migration https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/datab…. This would add significant complication to upgrading Mailman core. I think a better approach would be to store custom attributes in a separate database table. Also, you might look at plugins as a way to access your custom attributes via REST without having to modify Mailman core itself. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Getting information to connect mailman to new web host

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/11/22 07:24, tg337--- via Mailman-users wrote: > We moved over to a new platform and now our lists.(domain).org address is not working. I'm trying to find the records I would need to update on the new site to connect them, and not sure how. I'm sorry. I can't give a more definitive response without more information. How was Mailman installed on the prior server? New server? Have you moved the Mailman database(s)? When you say your lists.(domain).org address is not working, do you mean a web address or an email address? What's in logs for this failed address? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Fwd: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /archives/search

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/23/23 02:41, Johannes Rohr wrote: > > I don't understand what the cause for the "permission denied" could be. > The directory "fulltext_index" is owned by mailman:mailman > > Does anyone have a hint? I did some googling for the error, but to no > avail, unfortunately. It's actually trying to create fulltext_index, so clearly it's not looking at the fulltext_index that you are. If you are following https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html you probably need to specify the path in /etc/mailman3/settings.py as in, e.g. ``` HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS['default']['PATH'] = '/opt/mailman/mm/var/fulltext_index' ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3-web language preference and translation settings

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/6/23 06:23, Nils wrote: > Hi, > > I've tested mailman3 and now installed it on productive server. The > customer complains that the translation to German is incomplete on the > productive server while it was complete on the test server. > > I can't find a way to confirm this because I only see the English > frontend of mailman3-web and I don't know how to switch language in the > frontend (I have my OS set to English). You need to run the Django admin command `compilemessages` and perhaps others. See https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#run-database-mi… and the following three sections. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: E-mail every minute: "Cron <www-data@sharky5> ..."

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/7/24 9:16 AM, Robert Heller wrote: > > I'm not using a virtual environment. I'm using all native Debian 12 packages, > installed via apt. The virtual environment docs are actually even worse (even > more confusing). Maybe I'm too smart and experienced? > > Is there some reason NOT to use the native Debian 12 packages? Did the Debian > package manager people waste their time and effort? If you prefer to use the Debian packages, that's fine, but if using the Debian packages, your primary resource for support, documentation, bug reports, etc. should be Debian. See https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty: remove discussions

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/21/20 7:25 PM, Peter Adebahr via Mailman-users wrote: > > Hi *, > > is it possible to remove discussions from the archives? As it were tests > only, removing the complete archive would be ok, too. For the customer, > we would like to start this list with a clean archive :) Current HyperKitty can delete the current thread or message and even the entire list archive if you are logged in as a superuser. Also see <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/261>. And also see <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/3> for a way tyo do this in a django-admin shell, but that doesn't work with MySQL or MariaDB as the database manager because of foreign key constraints. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Also deleted website example.com

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/17/20 4:58 AM, w.schoener(a)alp.dillingen.de wrote: > Hi there, > i also deleted the website example.com, while I tried to configure my mailman 3 site. > Now I get a Server-error, when I try to open my mailman3 sites: "An error occurred while processing your request" > > I tried to fix this problem by changing the SITE_ID=2 in my settings_local.py. > But nothing helped, also the SITE_ID=0 did change nothing. You need to look at the django_site table in your database and find the actual `id` of the site you want. it may be a number > 2 even if there is only one site listed under `sites` in Django Admin. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: User suspended after too much spam

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/6/22 05:55, Eggert Ehmke wrote: > I have set up spamassassin as spamfilter, and it works reasonable so far. Some > spam passes the filter and I try to use it for training. However, one of my > users has a very restrictive spam filter and rejects all spam. This causes > mailman to suspend that user. I have to enable the user each time. > > How can I change that behaviour? I do not want my users to be suspended. Set verp_probes: yes in the [mta] section of mailman.cfg. This situation is exactly what verp probes are designed for. See https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/30/23 11:58, Onyeibo wrote: >> 2. Your MM3 log files - do they say anything? >> > Nothing! No new errors. It is very strange and frustrating Are there files in /opt/mailman/mm/var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/? Do messages received from the list have an Archived-At: header:? Do messages received from the list have a List-Archive: header:? If the first answer is yes, the mailman_hyperkitty archive_message method is failing. If the second answer is no, the mailman_hyperkitty permalink method is failing. If the second answer is no, the mailman_hyperkitty list_url method is failing. All of these failures log errors to the mailman.archiver log which by default is written to mailman.log. If by chance there is an Archived-At: header, what is it? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Help with mailman2 to mailman3 archive migration

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/2/24 01:49, francisco.lopezayuso(a)sib.swiss wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm having some issues with a migration I'm performing right now from our old mailman2 server to a mailman3 one. The mailing lists imports work fine, but the archives seems to work sometimes: This means that some lists archives appear but others are missing when browsing the archives in the web UI. This happens despite the command line telling me that the import went fine. Here are the steps I run for the archives: All of which look fine. Have you set ``` FILTER_VHOSTS = True ``` in your Django settings? If so, does setting it `False` make a difference? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty stuck files

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/9/24 7:05 AM, zoltan(a)circle-interactive.co.uk wrote: > > This is the error in archiver.log > > Jul 09 10:56:12 2024 (47531) HyperKitty archiver processing queued filebase: 1720522497.980487+a88492922feca24ced15594a5ec165561956f3ad > Jul 09 10:56:12 2024 (47531) hyperkitty archiver: sending message <B9E91239-ED71-4CC6-8FFF-3308C5C4DE2E(a)me.com> > Jul 09 10:56:12 2024 (47531) HyperKitty failure on http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/api/mailman/archive: It looks like hyperkitty is throwing an uncaught exception in attempting to archive this message. Try moving 1720522497.980487+a88492922feca24ced15594a5ec165561956f3ad.pck out of the spool/ directory and see if it processes the rest of the messages there. You can examine that message with the `mailman qfile` command. There might also be a traceback in the Django logs that will say more about why HyperKitty is failing. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: List invisible to moderator

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/16/20 3:43 AM, Olaf Zaplinski via Mailman-users wrote: > I just have promoted a member to a moderator. Now when he logs in to > Postorius, he gets the message "There are currently no mailing lists.". > > I have set "Show list on index page" to "no" before. But as a moderator, > the list should be shown, right? I mean, all lists are shown to the > administrator also. > > When I manually enter the complete URL, the moderator can see the list. > I think this is a bug. Moderators should see their lists. What do you > thing? What Postorius version is this? It works for me in Postorius 1.3.3. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: User settings triggers error

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/28/20 5:20 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: > > That gives a slightly different error: > > mark@mail:/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models$ sudo patch < /tmp/patch.txt > patching file email.py > Hunk #1 FAILED at 24. > patch: **** malformed patch at line 23: I don't know about the failure. That probably is due to the version mismatch. The malformation is my fault. There should be an empty line following the last line. You didn't say what your HyperKitty version is, but here's a patch against 1.3.0. If this doesn't work, you could just try patching it by hand. I'm going fishing tomorrow so I won't be here much longer. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: mass subscribers disablement!?

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/26/21 9:39 AM, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-users wrote: > After the first time where users were unsubscribed automatically, I added > back one at a time all the subscribers who were unsubscribed. Now they have > all been unsubscribed again automatically. They are valid working email > addresses. How can I stop this behavior from occurring please? Do you have the bounce processing notifications `Notify owner on disable` and `Notify owner on removal` set to `Yes`. If not, set them. Then, what's in the notices you receive? You might also consider setting `verp_probes: yes` in the `[mta]` section of mailman.cfg. This will avoid some issues with users being disabled/unsubscribed due to list posts being rejected as spam. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 reinstall fail, need some help

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/12/22 08:38, Yvan ♞ wrote: > Yes it's debian and I have root access but it's a more "user friendly" > server release. > I tryed this but it block > https://github.com/YunoHost-Apps/mailman3_ynh/blob/master/README.md > > https://yunohost.org/en/administrate/whatisyunohost > Sincerely I don't read French very well, but your original logs at https://paste.yunohost.org/raw/xiqoyajegi and https://paste.yunohost.org/raw/hujesebita show installation failing because it fails to create /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg. This is either an issue with the Debian package or the YunoHost installer or an incompatibility between them. I would go first to YunoHost for help and then to Debian if necessary. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to use the "recipient_delimiter" postfix parameter with Mailman3?

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/12/22 08:54, Pierre Malard via Mailman-users wrote: > Ok, thanks for the documentation. > > But as Mailman uses this functionality for its own processing of emails, if I leave it to be used for another processing, Mailman will no longer work correctly... Please elaborate your concerns. I don't understand. > Ok, that means I'm going to forbid the use of the escape character when processing mailing lists. I don't know if I understand. If you are going to set Mailman's recipient_delimiter to `_`, that means you can't have `_` characters in list names. There should be no other limitations. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Template for Password Reset Email

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/17/24 21:27, Mark wrote: > > It's just the one list that is using French. Others are in English > > I've edited the order of the middleware settings in this file ... > > /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman_web/settings/base.py > > I reordered as below, restarted everything but no joy :-( Your reording is fine. > I'm thinking this is not the file I'm looking for. Apologies for my > cluelessness here. You have done everything correctly. What is missing is the user's browser is not putting `fr` first in the Accept-Language: HTTP header in it's requests. Most browsers have a setting to control this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 Docker question and importing lists from MM2

by Mark Sapiro

On 09/01/2017 07:09 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: > > I had a question regarding the parameter: SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN. > > I want to use multiple domains, what is the best way to specify multiple domains in this environment variable? I don't know the answer to this. > Furthermore, is there a recommended way to get data from MM2 (list configs and archives) into MM3? There are two things. For importing list configs there is bin/mailman import21 but it is not up to date and probably doesn't work. For importing archives there is django-admin hyperkitty_import [--settings=if.needed] which works well using the MM 2.1 LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox file as input. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 3 months

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