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[MM3-users] Re: Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core.

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/26/20 12:00 AM, joseverde(a)gmail.com wrote: > Okay, so I got the webservice of Mailman3 up and running, but when I go to mailman3/postorius/lists/, I get the following error: > > Something went wrong > Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core. Do your settings in the webservice section of mailman.cfg for things like: admin_pass: restpass admin_user: restadmin hostname: localhost port: 8001 (Defaults shoun) match your Django settings MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = 'restadmin' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = 'restpass' MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = 'http://localhost:8001' Also, is Mailman's `rest` runner running ps -fwwA|grep runner=rest should show 3 processes. The runner and 2 workers. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: Cron error

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/30/20 8:21 AM, gordon(a)dickens.com wrote: > The error has not re-occurred in the last 24 hours since I removed the lock file as Mark recommended. So, I am hopefull that the problem is solved. As I suggested at <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…>, I don't think the underlying issue was with the `mailman digests --send` run by cron. I think any `mailman` command would have failed as long as the dbcreate.db lock residue was in /var/lib/mailman3/locks/. The question is what left that there in the first place. Did you manually run any `mailman` commands that terminated abnormally or were killed in the day before this started? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Missing Base64 encoding from control message reply

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/24/23 07:20, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > The only thing I can think of at the moment that might move the > discussion forward is if Mark knows how to run his test in your Docker > environment to see if it also produces > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Assuming there is not something like ``` [language.en] charset: utf-8 ``` in your mailman.cfg overriding the default us-ascii charset for English, if you send a message From: yourself to list-confirm-xxxxxxx(a)example.com with Subject: Re: Your confirmation is needed to join the list(a)example.com mailing list (replacing list and example.com with the actual list and domain), you should receive a response like (some headers removed) ``` Subject: The results of your email commands From: list-bounces(a)example.com To: mark(a)example.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <169556563227.2592.7908020161516725770(a)example.com> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2023 07:27:12 -0700 Precedence: bulk X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.9b1 List-Id: A test list <list.example.com> List-Help: <mailto:list-request@example.com?subject=help> List-Owner: <mailto:list-owner@example.com> List-Subscribe: <mailto:list-join@example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:list-leave@example.com> The results of your email command are provided below. - Original message details: From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)example.com> Subject: Re: Your confirmation is needed to join the list.example.com mailing list. Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2023 07:27:10 -0700 Message-ID: <20230924142710.GA23819(a)example.com> - Results: Confirmation token did not match - Done. ``` What do you get? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: mail loops back to myself

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/13/25 01:59, Florian Sukup wrote: > > > On 6/13/25 01:58, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> but I'm at a loss to understand the issue, unless your >> /etc/postfix/master.cf is missing an uncommented entry for lmtp like >> ``` >> lmtp unix - - y - - lmtp >> ``` >> > > I found it there, here is my master.cf: I realized after the fact that that probably wasn't the issue because it probably would have logged an error. > mailman unix - n n - - pipe > flags=FRX user=list argv=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/postfix-to-mailman.py > ${nexthop} ${user} > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Is the last line a problem? It seems to be from mailman2. It's a Debian thing for an unsupported MM 2.1 process to deliver mail to Mailman. It doesn't do any harm if it's not referenced in main.cf. > Is there a possibility to debug in more detail? To find out when and > where it takes the wrong turn? I'm unable to see where this is going wrong. I think it is a Postfix issue, not a Mailman issue per se, and while we make a best effort to help with Postfix-Mailman integration issues we are not the primary support resource for Postfix which is the postfix-users(a)postfix.org mailing list. See https://www.postfix.org/lists.html for info on subscribing and posting. Also, since you are dealing with Debian packages, the primary support resource is Debian. See https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 month, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating from debian package to Virtualenv

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/8/20 12:45 PM, Ryan Morash wrote: > We currently have our Mailman3 instance installed using the packages in Debian's repository. We want to migrate over to a virtualenv setup as described here: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html. Is there any thing we should be aware of for migrating data? Assuming you will be using the same DBM, I think you could just ensure that your mailman.cfg settings for ``` [mailman] layout: ``` and ``` [paths.<layout_value>] var_dir: ``` end up pointing var_dir at your existing Mailman var/ directory and the [database] section in mailman.cfg and the DATABASES definition in your Django settings reference your existing database(s). -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Confirmation emails to Users has wrong domain name (example.com!)

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/2/21 4:26 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 4:09 PM Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> > wrote: >> >> Yes, please update it to have SITE_ID = 2 to correspond to the site you >> want and restart. > > > I did this, but there is still a problem: The hyperkitty URL still shows > example.com. > Maybe I need to re-import the database to clear this? The SITE_ID setting affects the domain displayed at the top left of HyperKitty pages. Is this the correct domain? What hyperkitty URL are you talking about? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Speed/progress of update_index_one_list?

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/14/22 12:38 AM, Philip Colmer wrote: > I have now switched to Xapian but, in a way, my original questions still > stand. Is there a way of monitoring the progress of > "update_index_one_list"? What can I do to the specification of the server > to make that process go (much) faster? HyperKitty does the indexing by calling the Haystack update_index command. See https://django-haystack.readthedocs.io/en/master/management_commands.html#u… This command has options such as --verbosity and --workers. I think verbosity is set from the option provided to update_index_one_list and if set to 2 will give some progress info. workers could increase parallelism but is unconditionally passed by hyperkitty as 0 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: remove non members from a list

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/6/21 10:28 AM, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: > Thanks. Now it's no showing errors (and nothing at all) but apparently > it does nothing. The non mebers of the list (the few that remains: I've > been deleting one at a time from the web) aparently still are there.. > > Knowing the correct procedure will ease me to try tomorrow with a clean > head. It doesn't report anything, and if you don't commit() or exit with control-D, any changes will be rolled back. What does list(m.nonmembers.members) show before doing the unsubscribe() and commit() and then what after? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: list footer web customization procedure

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/17/21 3:06 PM, dancab(a)caltech.edu wrote: > I don't know why either. The mailman shell command seems to have had no effect either. > > Would it be safe to remove those expired rows directly via MySQL commands? Is the id column keyed or joined to another table where I would also have to delete corresponding rows? Yes it should be fine. Just DELETE FROM file_cache; I'm assuming your MySQL database is shared between your two Mailman servers or that both are accessing the same MySQL server. Is it somehow possible that there are two MySQL databases and Mailman is using one and you are looking at another? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to authorise members visibility?

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/25/22 02:50, Pierre Malard via Mailman-users wrote: > Hello, > > My setup: > - Debian 11 > - Mailman3-full v 3.3.3-1 > > My Question: > How to configure the visibility of a list of subscribers to a list? > > I created a list and set "subscriber visibility" to subscribers only. When I log in as such and try to view the list information, I can't see anywhere how to display that list. > It's the same regardless of the setting used for this "subscriber visibility" field (only moderators, only subscribers or anyone). This is a bug in Postorius. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/369 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Digests not working correctly

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/13/23 10:58, Joel Lord wrote: > I ran the "/usr/local/bin/mailman digests --periodic" again, sadly > without the --verbose, and it kicked out the digests as it ought to have > the first time. Now I have to wait for some list traffic to come in to > "recharge" the digests so I have something to test with again. Even with the --verbose option, it wouldn't have helped much because it worked. What we would really like to see is the output with the --verbose option when it fails. It is a mystery to me why it would sometimes fail and sometimes not with the same digest.mmdf file. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Archive date/time vs elapsed time

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/26/23 7:46 PM, Mark wrote: > Hi > > In the archive's "Recent", "Most active" etc displays, the date and > time of each post is shown. > > However, when viewing by "Thread" listing, each post shows the elapsed > time since it was posted ie. the number of days, hours since it was > posted (eg. 1 day, 2 hours). I don't see this. It may have been recently changed. Please visit the archive of this list at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/ and if you see the issue there, post a URL of a page on which you see it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: List Configuration Attribute Descriptions

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/20/24 11:27 AM, steve.bachinsky(a)tena-sda.org wrote: > Where does one obtain a complete and concise description for all of the list configuration attributes? > >>From the documentation, it is shown that the REST "config" interface will provide all of the attribute values associated with a particular list. But how does one find a concise description for all of these attributes? For example, I see that there is a list attribute for "default_nonmember_action" and there are two documentation pages for this attribute, but I can't find a concise description of the attribute and the permitted values. https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/interfaces/mai… may help. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Internal Server Error, Need 2 values to unpack in for loop; got 1

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/29/24 10:23, Elias Rudberg wrote: > > Does it make sense, that "the template and the view should be corrected" > as suggested there? (The template in question would be pagination.html > but I'm not sure exactly how it should be corrected.) It makes sense, but it may difficult. I think we would need to somehow sanitize the query fragments to ensure they didn't contain `items=`, and if they did, probably just return an http 400 Bad Request. The difficulty is finding all the places in all the views that need this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty won't list more than 5 posts and shows empty grey Activity Summary box

by Mark Sapiro

On 08/09/2017 02:35 PM, Abhilash Raj wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 13:42:20 -0700 > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >>> >>> # Send periodic digests. >>> # I like 03:30 so they go overnight, but since we're 'global' and on UTC, >>> # maybe 07:30 is good. >>> 30 7 * * * /opt/mailman/mailman-bundler/bin/mailman digests --send > > I wasn't aware that Core needed cron jobs too, is that true for 3.1 release as > well? It's only that one and whether it's needed or not depends on list configuration. The list has attributes digest_send_periodic and digest_size_threshold. When a post is received it is added to the list's digest mbox, and if that causes the size of the mbox to reach digest_size_threshold K bytes, a digest is sent. Additionally, if digest_send_periodic is true, a digest is sent periodically whether or not it has reached digest_size_threshold. However, the sending of periodic digests depends on cron running something periodically to actually trigger the sending. Note: I've just looked at the code and there seems to be an issue with using 'mailman digests --send' to send the periodic digests. It appears that if a list's digest mbox has any messages, 'mailman digests --send' will send a digest even if digest_send_periodic is false. I've just reported <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/384> for this issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Disable "confirmation emails"

by Mark Sapiro

On 09/18/2018 01:46 PM, Hagen Bauer wrote: > > even after a lot of google search I could not find a way to disable the > Confirmation Mails like > .... > The results of your email command are provided below. > > - Original message details: > ....... > > Is there a way to do this? I have users who would be irritated and I > dont want them to recieve this Where are you seeing these? There were changes in this area in Mailman core v. 3.2.0 and I think these now should only be sent in response to mail to the -request address that contains a command other than (un)subscribe or confirm. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Disable response to the list request address

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/4/20 11:03 PM, Dieter Leupold via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi all, > > a short question (MM3.1.1): is it possible to avoid responses when > someone sends emails to the request-address (xxx-request(a)lists.xxxx.com) > of a mailinglist? > Thanks for your information! It is not currently possible. What responses are you trying to avoid? If you are interested in not responding to spam sent to the -request address, we could possibly implement a setting to not respond to messages that contain no valid commands and/or messages exceeding some maximum size. You could file an issue requesting this at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: FILTER_VHOST fix - was: Postorius & multi domain

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/23/20 12:11 PM, Gelpi Andrea wrote: > > > I can confirm that the fix works. > > Thank You so much. Thank you for testing and reporting. Note I have just made one minor change to the fix. Where I had in the added code > if (MailDomain.objects.get( > mail_domain=domain.mail_host).site.name == web_host): I now have > if (MailDomain.objects.get( > mail_domain=domain.mail_host).site.domain == web_host): The issue is site.name is the domain's display name whereas the domain name is site.domain. This only matters if you have given the site a display name different from the domain name in Django. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Unable to remove non-member

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/28/20 6:43 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I ran across a strange issue today. A client reported the inability to > remove a non-member in the following format: > > z_email/domain.org.za(a)domain.org.za > > The reported error from Postorius was: > > "The user could not be removed" Is that all it said? The code says it is The user could not be removed: <error message> Where <error message> is the relevant HTTP error. > I used https://verifalia.com/validate-email to validate the email > address and it is syntactically correct. Mailman core thinks it's OK too as does RFC5322. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: List Digest - Subject line

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/12/21 1:44 PM, smorytko(a)gmail.com wrote: > Steve, > > Right you are! Yahoo! Mail apparently disassociates the header information from the text body so I can only see it in the Today's Topics summary, while GMail does not and offers it in both locations. One thing you can try is have your Yahoo users subscribe to the plain text rather than the MIME digest. Generally, at least with good MUAs, MIME is preferred because it preserves non-text parts and allows replying to an individual message as opposed to the digest, but clearly Yahoo is not one of those MUAs and Yahoo users will probably find plain text digests preferable. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 subscribe over command line

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/17/21 1:46 AM, tibor.molnar(a)waltoninstitute.ie wrote: > If I try using this command the following error occurs: > >>>> from mailman.testing.documentation import cli >>>> command = cli('mailman.commands.cli_addmembers.addmembers') > Traceback (most recent call last): ... > ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman.commands.cli_addmembers' What Mailman version is this? The add_members mailman subcommand was added in 3.3.2 and didn't exist before that. In Mailman 3.3.1 and prior, you need to use the members subcommand with the -a/--add option. Also note that mailman.testing.documentation.cli is only intended to be used for tests and not production. See https://click.palletsprojects.com/en/8.0.x/testing/#testing-click-applicati… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to change rest APi password

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/25/21 11:05 AM, bob B wrote: > This is probably s stupid question but I have been searching for an answer. > > How do you set a different rest api password? > > The instructions say : > The credentials are set in the [webservice] section of the configuration using the admin_user and admin_pass properties. But what is that referring to? > > I am running docker, so is this in the docker.yaml file (I tried it there it did not work) or in the Django config file or someplace else? It's in mailman.cfg. Where that file is in the docker container, I don't know. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: FYI: Django security releases issued: 4.0.6 and 3.2.14

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/7/22 12:56 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Thanks to Guillermo for the heads-up. > > As far as I can tell, neither of these functions is used in the > Mailman suite itself. That doesn't mean they aren't used in one of > our dependencies, but it does mean that we can't do much about what's > installed on your host. You should upgrade if you are using Django 3 > or 4. (Not sure we support Django 4.) We will keep a watch on this. I just upgraded from Django 3.2.11 to 3.2.14 on mail.python.org and lists.mailman3.org. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years

[MM3-users] Lost messages - was: Re: Do you struggle with message rejected. AUP#CDRBL while using mailman with your ISP email relay?

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/18/25 9:37 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: > > My problem, on lists.sandelman.ca aka lists.tcpdump.org, is messages that > appear to have been processed by my MTA (according to postfix logs), but > which are never delivered, nor held. Lost somewhere in mailman3 queue. > Sometimes they show up after a host reboot. It seems that maybe not all the runners are running. What's in Mailman's various var/queue/* directories? What's in Mailman's var/logs/mailman.log? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] lists.mailman3.org web site.

by Mark Sapiro

I have just upgraded the lists.mailman3.org Mailman 3 installation to the heads of the GitLab mailman* branches. A major change is the switch from Persona to Django Allauth. This requires some configuration which isn't yet complete. Hopefully it will all be working very soon. In the mean time if you want to log in to Hyperkitty/Postorius you should be able to log in with your email address. The first time you do this, Mailman probably won't even know your password so you'll have to request a reset. Once you have reset your password, you should be able to log in. I hope to have several social auth choices working very soon. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman admin (django) interface does not work anymore after deleting website example.com

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/10/19 8:18 AM, Torge Riedel wrote: > > I deleted the existing "example.com" and added a new one > "lists.mydomain.de". > > Now the admin (django) interface always gives "An error occurred while > processing your request". After one of the first navigation clicks I saw > a message that "site with id 1 is missing". In your Django settings your have SITE_ID = 1 which pointed to the example.com domain you deleted. You need to override this in settings_local.py. Probably SITE_ID = 2 but if that doesn't work, try '0' -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot start lmtp runner due to error while attempting to bind on address ('127.0.0.1', 8024): address already in use

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/3/19 4:42 AM, actionmystique(a)gmail.com wrote: > I've just noticed some potentially misconfigured items in ```/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/config/mailman.cfg``` (and not modified by /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg) > ``` > [runner.lmtp] > class: mailman.runners.lmtp.LMTPRunner > path: > ... > [runner.rest] > class: mailman.runners.rest.RESTRunner > path: > ``` > Is it an issue to have empty ```path```? As far as I can tell, the `path` setting is not referenced anywhere. Its presence in mailman.cfg may be an artifact. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Confirm and Moderate Unsubscribe Requests

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/21/20 12:14 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > > > Well I can't dictate that to my list owners and there is no confirm > token sent with the moderation notice. Why include this option in > Postorius when it can't be properly handled? Postorius is still a work in progress. The unsubscription policies are in core and are exposed in Postorius. Certainly the ability to moderate an unsubscription should be in Postorius, but it isn't yet. We are an all volunteer project and there aren't that many of us, and perhaps I'm overreacting, but the tone of some of your recent posts seems a bit demanding. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: How do I specify the TCP port number for Postgresql?

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/28/23 11:36 AM, kjohnson(a)eclypse.org wrote: > The mailman.cfg file on the system I am working on includes this line: > > url: postgres://mailman3:mailman3:@localhost/mailman3 First, you should change `postgres` in the url to `postgresql`. See https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.… Also, the second colon shouldn't be there unless it's part of the mailman3 user's password. Then the docs don't say so, but you can change `localhost` to `localhost:pppp` to specify port pppp. The syntax is defined in RFC 1738. See https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1738#section-3.1 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Block members from sending cc's and bcc's

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/23/25 10:04, Cathryn McGuire wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Using Mailman 3 with Affinity web interface and we want to stop our members from sending to cc: or bcc: You won't ever see a Bcc: header in mail to a list. The whole point of Bcc: is to not expose the additional recipients or the fact that there were additional recipients so the sending MUA includes the Bcc recipients in the SMTP RCPT TO commands, but drops the Bcc: header from the message. I.e., There is no way to know whether the original sender included Bcc: recipients or not. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 month, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Invalid FilterAction: discard. Treating as discard

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/8/19 1:07 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: > > The Content-Type of the mail sent to the list is multipart/mixed and what are the Content-Types of all the subparts? >>>> list(m.pass_types) > ['multipart/mixed', 'multipart/alternative', 'text/plain'] So these are the only types you accept. If, e.g., one of the sub-parts is multipart/related, that part and all it's sub-parts, regardless of type, will be removed. Presumably, this list was imported from MM 2.1, and the same filtering would have applied there. I'll post a follow-up with how to change pass_types via mailman shell when I work it out. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: who request

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/27/21 1:14 PM, Vako Nicolian wrote: > Is there a way to stop the who request to get membership list? > i.e.: if we send an email to {list}-request@... with *who {password} *on > the subject line, it will send the membership list to the member, I want > that option to be disabled for privacy reasons. Is this Mailman 3 or Mailman 2.1? Note that this list is for Mailman 3 issues/questions and `who {password}` is only applicable to Mailman 2. Please join mailman-users(a)python.org <https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/> and post there for Mailman 2 issues/questions. Anyway, for either, the answer is to set the roster visibility to admins only. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Help needed to create filters that were working in Mailman 2.

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/21/23 11:36 AM, mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu wrote: > I'm using version 1.3.8 Which I installed on Ubuntu 22 on April 18. I'm guessing this feature was installed in 1.3.9? The attached screenshot (which may not make it to the list but should be in your direct copy) is from Postorius 1.3.8 installed via pip. If you don't see this, possibly you have installed the Debian/Ubuntu package and this is a Debian issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: Screen Shot 2023-06-21 at 1.07.49 PM.png

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty threads by month question

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/19/24 1:24 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: > On 7/19/24 4:20 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: >> Here's a link to the server in question, it's just a text box as we work >> through this. There's about 14k people on this list, so we want to >> get it >> right before cut over. >> >> https://nanog-mm3.keekles.org/archives/list/mm2-mm3@nanog-mm3.keekles.org/ > > https://nanog-mm3.keekles.org/archives/list/nanog@nanog-mm3.keekles.org/ That URL gives me as server error. What's in the Django (mailman-web) logs for that? Are you running all the Django periodic jobs and is qcluster running? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Delete a single email or thread from hyperkitty archive

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/15/19 3:52 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > Logged in a superuser, Mailman3, I am unable to see delete message above > tags, only delete thread. I am unable to view a reply as a single > message. What I am fundamentally missing? You are looking at a thread view. To see a message view, follow the "Permalink for this message" link at the bottom of the message (the chain-link icon to the right of the up/down votes and the "A' icons). Or you can go to the URL in the Archived-At: header in the email message received from the list. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: How to change the language in mailman3

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/22/20 2:45 PM, Massimo Zappalà wrote: > OK thanks, > I solved it by creating the paths > > /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES > /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_mailman3/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES > /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES > /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES > > Then I run this command: > sudo msgfmt django.po -o django.mo Except, based on paths above, Mailman Core's message catalog is not /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/django.*. It is /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/messages/it/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.* There should already be a mailman.po there which can be translated with msgfmt mailman.po -o mailman.mo -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: Hipperkitty failing to archive messages in a list

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/6/22 4:25 AM, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: > > In the last part of your suggestions you wrote: > > "I suggest you do > > pip install --upgrade hyperkitty mailman-hyperkitty > > and ensure it installs hyperkitty 1.3.5 and mailman-hyperkitty 1.2.0" > > But this is exactly what made me fall in this mess: Sorry, I was confused. I thought the error message you were seeing was changed before HyperKitty 1.3.5 was released, but that isn't correct. The problem is probably in Apache. See the last 2 posts in the thread at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: REST API authorization failed

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/10/22 1:58 AM, Axel Rau wrote: >> >> Anyway, the above is saying that restadmin:??? doesn't match what's configured in Mailman core and reported by `mailman info`. Please check carefully that these are the same in both mailman.cfg admin_pass and settings MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS. > > Yes, again with password disclosed: > - - - ... > (mailman_33) [root@lists5 /usr/local/mailman3]# grep admin var/etc/mailman.cfg > admin_user: restadmin > admin_pass: restpass Does `mailman info` show the same password? > What am I doing wrong? Nothing. > Is something wrong with my installed python packages? The relevant code is at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/rest/wsgiapp.p… Does that match yours? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Inline display of attachments

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/26/22 10:01, Axel Rau wrote: > Can this come to work with a plugin? > >> Am 19.01.2022 um 14:28 schrieb Axel Rau <Axel.Rau(a)chaos1.de>: >> >> Signierter PGP-Teil >> I have turned on HYPERKITTY_RENDER_INLINE_IMAGE and Archive Rendering mode set to Markdown text, but images in JPEG or PDF format are not displayed inline. >> Should this work or are my expectations to high? As it says in the docs at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/rendering.html#imag… you have to include markup like ``` ![Image's alt text](http://image.com/file.png "Image Title") ``` in the message text to display the image inline. The `!` is important. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: MTA authentication and smtpd_sender_login_maps

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/25/22 11:00, Jan Eden via Mailman-users wrote: > > I obviously do not want to add an entry to the map file for each mailing > list created by someone on the server. Is there a way to > programmatically create a sender login map with Mailman? You could modify mailman/src/mailman/mta/postfix.py to create a smtpd_sender_login_maps file with the desired content or you could create a script that creates the file using data in the generated var/data/postfix_lmtp. If the latter, you might be able to create a plugin <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/plugins/do…> to run the script whenever a list is created or deleted -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Subscription requests = 0 ? Bug or feature?

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/24/23 04:15, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > Even though I have a "Pending confirmation" request, the total entries > under the subscription requests reads zero. > I thought it should read whatever the total of (pending confirmation + > pending approval) is. It only counts the requests waiting moderator approval because this is the number requiring moderator action. It doesn't count the requests waiting user confirmation. The only reason these are even available in the moderator interface is so the moderator can discard them in cases where the user has lost the confirmation email and can't confirm and can't subscribe again because of the pending confirmation. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Do not show archives to public

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/18/19 5:21 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > > This resulted in dozens of messages about Django errors, when I turned on > Private Archives, and then accessed the page. Is that to be expected? [Hard > to imagine.] Perhaps you have to wait? But how long typically? This is definitely not expected. What are the errors? Including tracebacks from logs if any. As far as waiting is concerned, I think the thing you might be waiting for is the Django sync_mailman job which, if you have set up cron to run the periodic Django jobs, runs daily, but you can run it manually via the Django admin `runjob sync_mailman` command. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Mails are not archived at all -- how to check if Hyperkitty is running or not?

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/29/19 8:21 PM, Franklin Weng wrote: > Yes, it is checked. Have you checked Mailman's logs - Mailman's var/logs/mailman.log in particular? Do messages received from the list have an Archived-At: header? What's in /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg? In particular does the [general] setting base_url define a URL that accesses hyperkitty and does the [general] setting api_key match the MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY setting in /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py, but note that the MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY setting is quotes because it is a Python string assignment and the api_key setting is not quoted. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Easiest way to install a new mailman3 deployment?

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/5/21 3:37 PM, Ruth Ivimey-Cook wrote: > > I have only split mailman in two: mailman-core with the email-related > parts, and postorius for the UI. As yet, although Hyperkitty "works", I > haven't addressed the fact that mails get archived in folders on the > email host and so (for me) hyperkitty can't see them. Ideally, they > would be on the postorius/hyperkitty host, or possibly network shared The emails that get archived in folders on the Mailman core host are archived by the 'prototype' archiver, not by HyperKitty. HyperKitty archived emails are in tables in Django's database. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 on AlmaLinux 9 - Python3.9 errors

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/18/24 11:12 AM, willie.castillo(a)caemilusa.com wrote: > Mark first let me thank you for your assistance with this. I don't believe I mentioned that this is a fresh/new installation I'm performing on an AlmaLinux 9.4 VM. I have searched everywhere for a solid Mailman installation on AlmaLinux document/process but, I haven't had any luck. I tried following documentation on this site and I only found this https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/distro.html. Did you see my post at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… We recommend installing Pypi packages in a virtualenv. Doc is at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Help on removing moderators

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/4/20 12:30 PM, sean_sullivan(a)rhoworld.com wrote: > Never mind, I was able to figure it out. If anyone else is searching for a similar issue. Here again, using mailmanclient can work, but it is very round about. I.e. you are calling client which makes a REST call via http to core to do what you want when you can talk to core directly. > from urllib.error import HTTPError > > def remove(mlist): > curr_list = mlist.fqdn_listname > my_list = client.get_list(curr_list) > r_addresses = ['test1(a)example.com', 'test2(a)example.com', 'test3(a)example.com'] > for email_addr in r_addresses: > try: > my_list.remove_owner(email_addr) > except HTTPError as err: > print (email_addr,my_list, err) -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Editing a Subscriber's Mailman 3 list Settings

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/1/21 11:08 AM, Terry Earley wrote: > Admin users can edit subscriber's Mailman list settings. Once that > subscriber registers as a user, then only he/she can edit. Admin no longer > has permission to change these settings. > [image: editSubscriberByAdmin.gif] The image removed by this list's content filtering was a partial screenshot of a Postorius member options page with the error message "Cannot convert parameters: acknowledge_posts, delivery_status, hide_address, receive_list_copy, receive_own_postings" What Postorius version is this? I am unable to duplicate this either as a site admin or a non-site-admin list owner with Postorius from the head of the gitlab branch (1.3.5b1). -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Apache shows No Lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/21/23 15:15, ceo(a)sartrack.nz wrote: > Running Debian 11. > > I have 6 mailing lists, but Apache2 says there are no lists. > I have not been able to set up Postorius because nowhere is any information on *where* the configuration file is supposed to be located. If Postorius is not running, what is Apache looking at? > I have found an example in > /usr/share/doc/python3-django-hyperkitty/examples/settings.py > > But I don't know if this example is the right one, and I have no idea where the final file should go... Please follow the doc at <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html>. This is our current recommendation. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: nginx configuration on a multitasking server

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/10/21 3:22 PM, David Newman wrote: > On 12/10/21 12:57 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> Are you using uwsgi or some other wsgi server. > > uwsgi, per the venv and PDF docs. Thanks for the fix. > > Regarding the uwsgi_pass docs, would 'uwsgi_pass_header' directives > replace the 'proxy_set_header' ones in the venv doc? > > Looking at the uwsgi doc, it seems they might do different things. If you are using uwsgi and proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000 is working for you, then I'm satisfied that the docs are OK now and we don't need to say anything about uwsgi_pass. > It's not the situation I have to deal with, though. Short of changing a > long-standing URL, what I'm looking to do is have "/" continue to > default to roundcubemail, and have users type in longer URLs for MM3 and > other services. I think you can set the document root to the roundcubemail root and then set locations for the Mailman destinations as, e.g. location /mailman3/ { proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000; proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; } location /archives/ { proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000; proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; } location /accounts/ { proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000; proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; } location /admin/ { proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000; proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; } location /user-profile/ { proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8000; proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; } I haven't tried anything like this, so I'm not sure it will work, but I think so. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Extracting mailing list users

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/1/23 08:14, Eggert Ehmke via Mailman-users wrote: > I edited this file: > venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_members.py > > The content at line 107ff is: > #patch of Mark Sapiro > # if email_only: > if email_only or not address.display_name: > print(address.original_email, file=outfp) > else: > # print(formataddr((address.display_name, address.original_email)), file=outfp) > print(f'{address.display_name} <{address.original_email}>', file=outfp) > > This file is actually executed when I call mailman members. I verified this by uncommenting the first (old) print line. Now each address is printed twice (as expected), with the utf8 code in both lines in case of umlauts. In that case the address.display_name value is the RFC 2047 encoded name. One way this can happen is if the subscribe was via email prior to Mailman 3.3.3. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/802. You could try something like this to fix these. ``` mailman shell Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. >>> um = getUtility(IUserManager) >>> from email.header import decode_header, make_header >>> for address in um.addresses: ... decoded = str(make_header(decode_header(address.display_name))) ... if decoded != address.display_name: ... address.display_name = decoded ... print(f'Fixed {decoded}') ... >>> # while you're at it do users too. >>> for user in um.users: ... decoded = str(make_header(decode_header(user.display_name))) ... if decoded != user.display_name: ... user.display_name = decoded ... print(f'Fixed {decoded}') ... >>> commit() ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Editing "automatic responses" tab i Postorius does not work

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/21/17 12:49 PM, David Krantz wrote: > But this one is already exposed. But I cannot change it anyway as the > tab requires URIs for the different templates to allow saving. I do > not use those URIs as I have configured the defaults as I like them. I > tried once and it failed so I decided to set the defaults instead. I'm sorry for totally missing your point in my prior reply. I now understand. The page should not require entries in those fields. This is now reported at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/186>, and we will fix it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Default list styles

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/27/22 00:35, Jan Eden via Mailman-users wrote: > > In practice, a list created with the announce style is configured just > as an ordinary mailing list (as far as I can see in the web interface, > and according to the handling of a test message sent by a regular member > of an announce list). The only difference between the announce style and the discussion style is that for the former, the list's allow_list_posts setting is False and for the latter it's True, and currently the only thing that controls is the content of the List-Post: header which is `<mailto:list@example.com>` for discussion lists and `NO` for announce lists. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: add custom styles to postorius list creation menu

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/3/22 04:53, mhazan(a)mandint.org wrote: > > working on that plugin, i have found where to inserts the various > setting, however it's not clear what types and possibles value are > excepted for each ? ie "advertised" is bool True/false, but what about > "default_member_action" ? i've tried hold 'hold' "hold" all throw error > when trying to apply the style. from mailman.interfaces.action import Action mlist.default_member_action = Action.hold > i cannot find the types in the > documentation and all the other non bool settings. Look at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/styles/base.py for an example. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: WebFrontend language not working

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/5/22 13:36, c.buhtz(a)posteo.jp wrote: > Hello, > > I am using mailman3 as list owner on python.org. > > The web-frontend shows me everything in "German" which is my native > language (in OS, Browser, GeoIP). But I want it in English. in my > "Global Mailman-Settings" the "Preferred Language ( "Bevorzugte Sprache" > ) is set to "English (USA)". But it seems to me that this doesn't affect > the WebFront end. > > How can set the WebFront end to English? Tell your browser that your preferred language is English. The web UI is based on Django and Django gets your locale from your browser. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Members (and moderators) can't view the list of members.

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/7/24 13:34, mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu wrote: > I installed Mailman 3 almost 2 years ago. I only now noticed that members of a mailing list can't view the list of members. Even moderators can't see the list. Only Owners. The error message is "You do not have permissions to visit this page." > > Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.8 (Tom Sawyer) > Mailman Core API Version 3.1 > Mailman Core Python Version 3.10.12 (main, Jun 11 2023, 05:26:28) [GCC 11.4.0] > Postorius Version 1.3.8 This is https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/369 fixed by https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/770 in Postorius 1.3.9 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: modify subscription page by mailinglist?

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/10/22 5:32 AM, Lars Schimmer wrote: > > And I think I could fiddle out how it works. But in general, e.g. a > custom page per mailinglist for the "list information page" is a bit > more work than expected and I will not follow this idea. > (e.g. adding a logo per list, ...) I don't know if this would meet your requirement or not, but the Summary section of the list information page is built in part from list settings. The first line is the list's `description` and the next part is the lists `information`. The `information` can contain HTML so you could include a logo there. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Emergency moderation and clearing out a lot of held messages

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/16/22 15:52, Dan Caballero wrote: > Thanks Mark! > > We're using GNU Mailman 3.3.5 (Tom Sawyer). The tests I did via the Docker container used a database dump from our production MySQL server. > > We have 2050 lists. The address table in the database has 95028 rows. For what it's worth, mail.python.org has 188 Mailman 3 lists and 85852 rows in the address table, and handling a message waiting moderation takes only a second or two. Thus, whatever the scaling issue is, it's likely related to the number of lists as opposed to the number of list members. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: ham-confirm+3ee85b006eeb5897ca6f53b093cb063672f6a784@example.com

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/17/21 1:27 AM, Jörg Klein wrote: > I want add some subscribers. When the I get this error message: > I have no address ham-request(a)example.com. Do I need for every mailing list more as the mailing list email address? How does your MTA deliver to Mailman? If you are using one of the Postfix or Exim configurations described at <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h…>, things should work, but in any case, for every list you need to deliver all of the following to Mailman: LISTNAME(a)example.com LISTNAME-bounces(a)example.com LISTNAME-confirm(a)example.com LISTNAME-join(a)example.com LISTNAME-leave(a)example.com LISTNAME-owner(a)example.com LISTNAME-request(a)example.com LISTNAME-subscribe(a)example.com LISTNAME-unsubscribe(a)example.com -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: New messages not being archived

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/22/21 12:34 PM, Sarah H wrote: > Hyperkitty works fine in browser at https://lists.client.org/archives/ and the vast majority of my testing messages are made through the web browser, though I've tried via email as well with the same results. > > curl to http://127.0.0.1:8000/hyperkitty/ results in the same error as above. What if you ``` curl http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/ ``` and what to you get in a browser from ``` https://example.com/archives/api/mailman/urls ``` And what's in urlpatterns in /opt/mailman/mm/urls.py? I'm sure it contains ``` url(r'^archives/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), ``` but I'm suspecting it doesn't contain ``` url(r'^hyperkitty/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: importing from google groups.

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/22/19 7:33 PM, Abhijith PA via Mailman-users wrote: > Hello. > > > Is it possible to import google group archives to mailman3. With this[1] > script, I was able to export archives. Please let me know if anyone have > tried and succeeded. > > > --abhijith > [1] - https://github.com/icy/google-group-crawler It looks like the script produces a mbox format output file, so all you need to import the archive is to run the django admin job hyperkitty_import to import the mbox. Run hyperkitty_import with the --help option for information and note that if there are existing messages in the target archive, you need the --since option to get older messages. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: New messages not being archived

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/15/21 11:08 AM, Sarah H wrote: > the logs definitely look like it's the hyperkitty URL. I have tried several different variations of the default URL, the sites URL, and anything else I can find but they all return either a not found or bad response error. is there any way I can find specifically what the URL is aside from changing the config and making a new post each time? Have you tried the base URL that you use to access HyperKitty from your web browser?, E.g., for this list 'https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/' Also, it should be a URL you can get from a shell on the server with curl. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: Hipperkitty failing to archive messages in a list

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/6/22 10:35 AM, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: > > It looks the right way (I have apache running in that server) to solve > it. What intrigues me is the fact that I didn't change anything in the > apache config or update apache itself. That doesn't matter. With your older HyperKitty and mailman-hyperkitty the MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY was sent from mailman-hyperkitty to HyperKitty as a query fragment (key=...) in the URL. The changes in HyperKitty 1.3.5 and mailman-hyperkitty 1.2.0 send it in an Authorization HTTP header instead, so before, it didn't matter if the Authorization HTTP header was dropped, now it does. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Excluding archives from a mailman3web database backup

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/23/22 17:38, Andy Smith wrote: > > Is that a realistic proposal? i.e. does a typical maildir2mbox > conversion script generate something that "manage.py > hyperkitty_import" would be happy with when run on prototype's > maildir? Yes. > If so, is it safe to just exclude every table starting with > "hyperkitty_" from the database backup of mailman3web? Dumping only > the schema for these, I mean, so that an import would restore empty > tables. That should be safe. The hyperkitty_import job should populate the tables as necessary. You will lose things like favorites, last views, tags and votes, but that may not be important. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Link to account

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/11/23 23:08, Lars Bjørndal wrote: > > I would like to have postorius at .../mailman3 and admin, accounts etc. under .../mailman3/admin .../mailman3/accounts etc. Try this. In urls.py ``` urlpatterns = [ path( '', RedirectView.as_view(url=reverse_lazy('list_index'), permanent=True), ), path('mailman3/archives/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), path('', include('django_mailman3.urls')), path('mailman3/accounts/', include('allauth.urls')), path('mailman3/admin/', admin.site.urls), path('mailman3/', include('postorius.urls')), ] ``` In apache ``` <IfModule mod_proxy.c> ProxyPreserveHost On ProxyPass "/mailman3/archives" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/mailman3/archives" ProxyPass "/mailman3/accounts" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/mailman3/accounts" ProxyPass "/mailman3/admin" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/mailman3/admin" ProxyPass "user-profile" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/user-profile" ProxyPass "/mailman3" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/mailman3" </IfModule> ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: The MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY was not sent as the Authorization HTTP header.

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/25/21 5:18 AM, Marco Marinello wrote: > Finally have found my issue... Apache automatically removes the header, see https://stackoverflow.com/questions/26549250/apache-strips-down-authorizati… . Hope it can be useful for somebody else! I'm glad you found this, but I'm a bit confused. I run a few servers with apache 2.4 proxying to gunicorn and I don't see the issue. Perhaps this is a uWSGI or mod_wsgi issue. In any case, it can possibly be avoided by setting base_url in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg to something like base_url: https://127.0.0.1:8000/archives or whatever localhost port the WSGI application is listening on to bypass apache. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: list footer web customization procedure

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/16/21 10:35 AM, dancab(a)caltech.edu wrote: > Mark, > > I updated mailman.cfg to point at our shared EFS mount. > > cache_dir: /mnt/var-mailman3/cache > > But I'm still getting reports of this issue. Is there somewhere else I need to set that location? If your layout is other than fhs, I would set var_dir: /mnt/var-mailman3/ For fhs layout, I would ensure that at a minimum, /var/lib/mailman, /var/spool/mailman and /var/lock/mailman are all shared. However for your issue with shared cache, you need to wait 7 days for all the old cache entries to expire or do getUtility(ICacheManager).clear() in `mailman shell` to clear the cache. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Database permission problem?

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/15/24 15:03, Bill Oliver wrote: > > I'll also add that the instructions get a little hazy when you get to > the "Unusual Postfix configuration" part, which is me, with multiple > virtual domains, virtual mailboxes, and use dovecot. > > For instance, it's not clear to me in the "Unusual Postfix > configuration" when you should use > > local_recipient_maps = > hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp ${dovecot} > > versus > > local_recipient_maps = > hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp I don't know anything about postfix configurations for dovecot delivery. I've only used dovecot for sasl authentication. In any case, dovecot delivery should not be involved in delivery to Mailman. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 Docker

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/6/19 6:54 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > If I could run MM3 using the apt-get install method, perhaps that would > have made my life a bit easier, hoping that MM3 can actually be run in > parallel with MM2.1 on the same host. Is anyone doing that already?? Yes. I am on two production and one development machines. See, e.g. <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/> and <https://mail.python.org/mailman3/> One caveat here is I install both Mailman 2.1 and Mailman 3 from source on all these machines. I don't know for example if the Debian/Ubuntu packages play well together. See <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience> for more on how I install MM 3. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Affinity Mailman Is Now Beta

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/18/20 12:44 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > Dear Mailman Admins and Users, > > Affinity Mailman is our new admin interface for Mailman 3 and we intend > to use it to replace Postorius. It has been under development for about > 3 months now and it recently reached beta. Just to be clear, Brian has the full support of the GNU Mailman project in his endeavor to create a new web UI for Mailman 3, but "our" above means Brian and EMWD, not the GNU Mailman project. We of the GNU Mailman project are delighted that Brian is working on an alternative web UI, but we have no plan to abandon Postorius and HyperKitty. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Using external services for deliverability?

by Mark Sapiro

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 7/10/20 8:10 PM, tom(a)gather.coop wrote: > > Makes sense. So given that the opendkim milter > > matches on the From header, am I correct in telling opendkim to sign emails from > > any email address with my domain? > > So my whole SigningTable might be something like > > > > * mail._domainkey.mydomain.com > > > > Yes. Actually, I knew there was more to it than that, but I had forgotten the detail. You can have *(a)mydomain.com mail._domainkey.mydomain.com as your SigningTable entry, but you need to specify SenderHeaders List-Post,Sender,From in your opendkim.conf. This will find the list address in the List-Post header of mail from your lists and that will be list(a)mydomain.com which will match the above SigningTable entry.

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: Make archives private by default

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/8/23 06:40, Johannes Rohr wrote: > Dear all, > > in mailman2 there was a setting that ensured that the archives of newly > created lists are by default privat ( > > DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE = 1 > > > Is there something similar in Mailman3? Set [styles] default: private-default in mailman.cfg. There are other effects to this style. namely, in addition to setting archives to private, it also sets the subscription policy to confirm then moderate and sets the list unadvertised. If you want a style that's like ordinary discussion list style except with private archives, but advertised and subscription policy = confirm, you'd need to create a plugin with your own style. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Fwd: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /archives/search

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/28/23 11:48, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Odhiambo Washington writes: > > > from mailman_web.settings.base import * > > from mailman_web.settings.mailman import * > > I think just putting these as close to the top as possible, and > including a comment (or two) saying that this is importing defaults > that can be overridden by any assignment made later in the file is > about as far as we can go for explaining. I've Just updated this. It now says: ``` # Get the default settings. from mailman_web.settings.base import * from mailman_web.settings.mailman import * # Settings below supplement or override the defaults. ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Python is updated

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/29/23 01:44, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 8:25 AM Lars Bjørndal <lars(a)lamasti.net> wrote: > >> So you have settings.py in /opt/mailman/mm rather than in /etc/mailman3? >> > > That's right - based on an earlier installation method before the official > virtualenv > <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst…> > one was put together, and that's why he has that shell file. > For a virtualenv > <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst…> > setup, your settings should live in /etc/mailman3 as stated. If you are interested in background on prior installation methods and their evolution, see https://wiki.list.org/x/17891998 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Subscribing users stuck in pending hell

by Mark Sapiro

On May 24, 2023 9:45:45 AM PDT, Quanah Gibson-Mount <quanah(a)fast-mail.org> wrote: >That shell script seems to have errors: > >>>> pendings = getUtility(IPendings) >>>> for token, data in pendings.find( >... token_owner=TokenOwner.subscriber, >... pend_type='subscription'): >... print("hello") >... >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "<console>", line 3, in <module> > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper > return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) >TypeError: find() got an unexpected keyword argument 'token_owner' Your Mailman core is too old for that script. Tell me your core version and I will try to make one that works for you. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Importing mailman 2 shows member's "Moderation Action" = "Default processing". But new members show = "None". Why

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/29/23 10:45, mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu wrote: > Thanks. Although IMHO I would prefer that the display show the actual action, and adding with a red asterisk to denote that it's the list default. It's a somewhat simple fix, although I've omitted the asterisk, because it's not important to me that it's the list default. Something like: I plan no further changes beyond <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/811>, but if you were to submit a merge request, we'd consider it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius admin/user guide

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/8/24 02:59, Florin Pasăre via Mailman-users wrote: > Hello, > We're trying to update mailman to version 3 from version 2, and I can't > seem to find some non-technical guide for Postorius, something like an > owners manual for all the configurations available in Postorius. > Is there such a thing? No, at this time there is not. All we have at the moment is https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/ which isn't what you're looking for. You just have to page through the settings to see what's there. Hopefully the various categories are clear enough that if you're looking for something specific, you can find it easily. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Confirmation for subscriptions

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/23/19 7:28 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 6/23/19 7:11 PM, andrew.bernard(a)gmail.com wrote: >> I have had some trouble with uwsgi, now resolved. Not that there may be any connection, but now, email requests to join are sent a confirmation mail, but the webui just signs you up with no confirmation despite having the subscription policy set to Confirm, and the right code in the database table underneath. > > > Is this a web subscribe for a logged in user or and "anonymous > subscribe" for a non-logged in user or both? I have done some further investigation. With subscribe policy 'confirm': A person without an account can subscribe to a list anonymously. The person is sent an email requesting confirmation of her address and intent to subscribe. Replying to the email confirms the address and subscribes it. A person can sign up for an account with an email address. This results in an email request to the address with a link to confirm it. Following the link and confirming the address then creates the account with the confirmed address. Subsequently, the user can log in and subscribe to the list without further confirmation because the user has already confirmed the address and has logged in, so further confirmation is not required. If subscribe policy is 'moderate', both of the above cases send the request to the moderator for approval. I think this behavior, particularly allowing a logged in user with a confirmed address to subscribe without further confirmation, is reasonable. Is this what you see, or are you seeing something else. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Emailing a list from the list server

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/1/20 11:56 AM, Mark Dadgar wrote: > On Jun 1, 2020, at 11:45 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >> >> What's in Postfix's mail.log? > > > Jun 1 11:54:55 mail postfix/lmtp[238922]: 1F42613BEB5: to=<test3(a)pdc-racing.net>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.04, delays=0.02/0.01/0/0.02, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) OK. It was delivered to Mailman's LMTP runner which presumably accepted it and queued it because that's the only case in which it returns '250' You could set [logging.smtp] level: debug in mailman.cfg to get more logging, but I think that that will just add confirmation of what we already know, i.e., it was queued in the in queue. So that leaves us with: some error in processing shunting the message. In that case the error would be logged in mailman.log and the message would be in var/queue/shunt. or some rule discarding the message. In that case, there should be a DISCARD: <message-id> entry in mailman.log. If that's the case, we still don't know which rule did the discard and why. One thing you might consider is the possibility that you've missed some message because it was delivered to a local mailbox rather than where you expect it. In my case, msapiro.net has an MX record pointing to my real mail server, but it is also the host name of my development box so mail generated on that box for me winds up in /var/mail/mark instead of being delivered to my real mail server. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Can't post to my own list from HyperKitty

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/7/25 02:30, MegaBrutal via Mailman-users wrote: > On Mon, Apr 7, 2025, 03:04 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> so it is saying there is only one choice for sender which I think means >> there is only one address associated with your login. That still doesn't >> explain why it thinks you're not a list member. >> > > Indeed, it doesn't explain. Are there any maintenance scripts or DB queries > you recommend to run to get to see what's happening under the hood? Not offhand. What is the exact email address that you are logging on to the web UI with. Does it match exactly with the address of a list member or are there mixed-case differences? You might try an interaction like this: ``` mailman-web shell Python 3.12.8 (main, Dec 21 2024, 12:52:28) [GCC 9.4.0] on linux Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. (InteractiveConsole) >>> from django_mailman3.lib.mailman import get_mailman_client >>> client = get_mailman_client() >>> list_id = 'test.example.com' # your actual list_id >>> rest_list = client.get_list(list_id) >>> email = 'user(a)example.com' # your actual email >>> member = rest_list.get_member(email) >>> member This should print something like <Member 'user(a)example.com' on 'test.example.com' with role 'member'> ``` This is exactly what HyperKitty is doing except in your case rest_list.get_member(email) is throwing a ValueError exception instead of returning the member. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: "Delete this thread" -> 'HTTP-500 -> NoneType' object has no attribute 'all'

by Mark Sapiro

On 05/28/2017 06:07 AM, Simon Liebold via Mailman-users wrote: > Is deleting threads from the archive (via Hyperkitty) currently > supported? I am getting the error indicated above if I click on "Delete > this thread". I just tested this on another list on this server. and both 'delete message' and 'delete thread' worked for me with the latest release Hyperkitty 1.1.0, django_mailman3 1.1.0 and Django-1.10.7. Did you get to the confirmation page and then get the 500 or did the 500 come before getting the confirmation page? Is there a full traceback in mailman_web.log? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 & postfix ... (mail loops back to myself)

by Mark Sapiro

On 01/18/2018 02:25 PM, Dmitry Makovey wrote: > > transport_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp > local_recipient_maps = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp > relay_domains = regexp:/opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_domains The initial implementation of Mailman's regexp maps for Postfix was broken. This was fixed by <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/merge_requests/323>. The bottom line is if /opt/mailman/core/var/data/postfix_lmtp contains entries like /^foo-bounces(a)lists\.my\.com$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^foo-confirm(a)lists\.my\.com$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 these entries (only the -confirm and -bounces, not the others) need to be /^foo-bounces(\+.*)?(a)lists\.my\.com$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 /^foo-confirm(\+.*)?(a)lists\.my\.com$/ lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024 because Postfix recipient_delimiter = + is not effective for regexp tables. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 Docker

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/8/19 10:03 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > Thank you for clarifying. > So once I have a venv created, the services will just run as long as the > startup scripts are running even when I'm logged out of the system? As long as the startup scripts actually reference things in the venv. If you look at the samples in the Recommended Configuration section at <https://wiki.list.org/x/17891998> for /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin (sample) Script to run Django management commands. /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman (sample) Script to run mailman commands. and /opt/mailman/mm/bin/gunicorn (sample) Script to start Gunicorn. You will see they all do things like activate the venv or run a command from venv/bin. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty Recommended mySQL Database Setup & Archive Importing

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/9/20 6:06 PM, matthew(a)alberti.us wrote: > Thanks Mark. Also, just to confirm, should the database connection string > also be updated? In both the core and web configuration, I have something > like: > > DATABASE_URL=mysql+pymysql://mailman:password@database/mailmandb > > Note the trailing UTF-8 encoding stuff isn't there. Should we be specifying > utf8mb4 there as well? In the mailman.cfg database section, you probably want url: mysql+pymysql://myuser:mypassword@mymysqlhost/mailman?charset=utf8mb4&use_unicode=1 I don't know why you would have a DATABASE_URL setting in the web configuration. Exactly where is this? I don't think it would be meaningful in any Django settings. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: archiving problem & updates

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/18/21 10:00 AM, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-users wrote: > Archiving has stopped working. No changes were made to the server. How can I diagnose and troubleshoot this please? Start by looking at Mailman's logs and also see if there are messages to be archived in Mailman's var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ directory. > Are there instructions for how to update mailman3 somewhere? Is there a listing of bug fixes also? There are some instructions at <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/upgrade-3.2.html>. Bug fixes are listed in each project's 'news', e.g., <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.…> for Mailman core and <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/news.html> for HyperKitty. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Disabled by bounce

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/1/23 10:32, Allan Hansen wrote: > Thank you, Mark. > By > > "However, all of the above can be avoided without any DMARC changes by > enabling bounce probes." > > Do you mean that I can get rid of the 'From' mangling, which has been a frequent source of embarrassment because the list address is captured and reused by type-ahead when sending non-list messages and those messages instead going to 1000 subscribers. No. If you enable bounce probes, it will prevent users having delivery disabled and being unsubscribed by bounce if the only bounces are for DMARC policy reasons, but they will still be missing mail if you don't apply DMARC mitigations. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: 120 gmail users removed from lists !

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/24/23 10:04 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: > > Speaking of the new additions in Mailman 3.3.9, does anyone have a list of the domains Google are using which we can add to the list so we can disable the unconditional DMARC mitigations for all list posts? Its probably somewhere obvious on a Gitlab issue or similar, but haven't found it yet. The only domains you need to consider are those of your list members, probably only gmail.com, and maybe googlemail.com. I'm not sure how gmail would treat mail From: user(a)some.other.domain where the MX for some.other.domain is a google server, but that could be potentially any domain. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Detecting abuses (login errors)

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/30/24 03:52, Marc SCHAEFER wrote: > Hello, > > If someone tries to access an account multiple times with a bad password, > is there anything in the Mailman3 web app to report this? > > 1. I didn't see any info about login errors in the logs I have, maybe > I need to enable something? > > 2. is it possible to customize log output so that the proxified > IP address is written in the log? (I use a reverse proxy) > > The idea would be to trigger fail2ban & AbuseIPdb on those. Web logins are handled by django-allauth <https://pypi.org/project/django-allauth/> This is a question for that project. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman 3 Keeps Forgettings Imported Lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 07/31/2018 12:39 PM, Ryan McClung wrote: > I do see the output of the script and it shows the mailing lists being > created. If you put "${VARIABLE}"@domain.com it outputs correctly. > > Also, to that end, the output of lists changes depending on which directory > I am in which makes 0 sense. That is the problem. Either your mailman.cfg does not specify a fixed directory for var_dir or the mailman command(s) you run do not specify a fixed mailman.cfg. If you look, you will probably see a var/ directory is every directory in which you ran a 'mailman' command and they will all have different databases, etc. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years

[MM3-users] Re: bouncing mail commands

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/23/19 1:02 PM, Liebeskind Uri (luri) wrote: > Hi all, > > > > when a subscribtion confirmation is sent to MM it replies a bounce mail about unknown commands in the mail. This is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/516>, fixed by <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/merge_requests/422> for messages to the -join (-subscribe), -leave (-unsubscribe), and -confirm addresses. For a message to the -request address with a 'confirm' command in the subject or body, this is trickier because by design, messages to the -request address can contain multiple commands, but this should not be a problem because the confirmation request is From: the -confirm address so the confirming reply should go there and not to the -request address. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to store additional information about lists?

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/20/21 2:28 PM, Andreas Barth wrote: > > Any hints how to do that best? Is it possible to store custom > attributes, or should that be stored elsewhere? Storing custom attributes as part of the MailingList object would require modifying the model in mailman/model/mailinglist.py and probably creating an alembic migration https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/datab…. This would add significant complication to upgrading Mailman core. I think a better approach would be to store custom attributes in a separate database table. Also, you might look at plugins as a way to access your custom attributes via REST without having to modify Mailman core itself. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Getting information to connect mailman to new web host

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/11/22 07:24, tg337--- via Mailman-users wrote: > We moved over to a new platform and now our lists.(domain).org address is not working. I'm trying to find the records I would need to update on the new site to connect them, and not sure how. I'm sorry. I can't give a more definitive response without more information. How was Mailman installed on the prior server? New server? Have you moved the Mailman database(s)? When you say your lists.(domain).org address is not working, do you mean a web address or an email address? What's in logs for this failed address? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Fwd: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /archives/search

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/23/23 02:41, Johannes Rohr wrote: > > I don't understand what the cause for the "permission denied" could be. > The directory "fulltext_index" is owned by mailman:mailman > > Does anyone have a hint? I did some googling for the error, but to no > avail, unfortunately. It's actually trying to create fulltext_index, so clearly it's not looking at the fulltext_index that you are. If you are following https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html you probably need to specify the path in /etc/mailman3/settings.py as in, e.g. ``` HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS['default']['PATH'] = '/opt/mailman/mm/var/fulltext_index' ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3-web language preference and translation settings

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/6/23 06:23, Nils wrote: > Hi, > > I've tested mailman3 and now installed it on productive server. The > customer complains that the translation to German is incomplete on the > productive server while it was complete on the test server. > > I can't find a way to confirm this because I only see the English > frontend of mailman3-web and I don't know how to switch language in the > frontend (I have my OS set to English). You need to run the Django admin command `compilemessages` and perhaps others. See https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#run-database-mi… and the following three sections. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: E-mail every minute: "Cron <www-data@sharky5> ..."

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/7/24 9:16 AM, Robert Heller wrote: > > I'm not using a virtual environment. I'm using all native Debian 12 packages, > installed via apt. The virtual environment docs are actually even worse (even > more confusing). Maybe I'm too smart and experienced? > > Is there some reason NOT to use the native Debian 12 packages? Did the Debian > package manager people waste their time and effort? If you prefer to use the Debian packages, that's fine, but if using the Debian packages, your primary resource for support, documentation, bug reports, etc. should be Debian. See https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty: remove discussions

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/21/20 7:25 PM, Peter Adebahr via Mailman-users wrote: > > Hi *, > > is it possible to remove discussions from the archives? As it were tests > only, removing the complete archive would be ok, too. For the customer, > we would like to start this list with a clean archive :) Current HyperKitty can delete the current thread or message and even the entire list archive if you are logged in as a superuser. Also see <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/261>. And also see <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/3> for a way tyo do this in a django-admin shell, but that doesn't work with MySQL or MariaDB as the database manager because of foreign key constraints. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Also deleted website example.com

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/17/20 4:58 AM, w.schoener(a)alp.dillingen.de wrote: > Hi there, > i also deleted the website example.com, while I tried to configure my mailman 3 site. > Now I get a Server-error, when I try to open my mailman3 sites: "An error occurred while processing your request" > > I tried to fix this problem by changing the SITE_ID=2 in my settings_local.py. > But nothing helped, also the SITE_ID=0 did change nothing. You need to look at the django_site table in your database and find the actual `id` of the site you want. it may be a number > 2 even if there is only one site listed under `sites` in Django Admin. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: User suspended after too much spam

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/6/22 05:55, Eggert Ehmke wrote: > I have set up spamassassin as spamfilter, and it works reasonable so far. Some > spam passes the filter and I try to use it for training. However, one of my > users has a very restrictive spam filter and rejects all spam. This causes > mailman to suspend that user. I have to enable the user each time. > > How can I change that behaviour? I do not want my users to be suspended. Set verp_probes: yes in the [mta] section of mailman.cfg. This situation is exactly what verp probes are designed for. See https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/30/23 11:58, Onyeibo wrote: >> 2. Your MM3 log files - do they say anything? >> > Nothing! No new errors. It is very strange and frustrating Are there files in /opt/mailman/mm/var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/? Do messages received from the list have an Archived-At: header:? Do messages received from the list have a List-Archive: header:? If the first answer is yes, the mailman_hyperkitty archive_message method is failing. If the second answer is no, the mailman_hyperkitty permalink method is failing. If the second answer is no, the mailman_hyperkitty list_url method is failing. All of these failures log errors to the mailman.archiver log which by default is written to mailman.log. If by chance there is an Archived-At: header, what is it? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Help with mailman2 to mailman3 archive migration

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/2/24 01:49, francisco.lopezayuso(a)sib.swiss wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm having some issues with a migration I'm performing right now from our old mailman2 server to a mailman3 one. The mailing lists imports work fine, but the archives seems to work sometimes: This means that some lists archives appear but others are missing when browsing the archives in the web UI. This happens despite the command line telling me that the import went fine. Here are the steps I run for the archives: All of which look fine. Have you set ``` FILTER_VHOSTS = True ``` in your Django settings? If so, does setting it `False` make a difference? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty stuck files

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/9/24 7:05 AM, zoltan(a)circle-interactive.co.uk wrote: > > This is the error in archiver.log > > Jul 09 10:56:12 2024 (47531) HyperKitty archiver processing queued filebase: 1720522497.980487+a88492922feca24ced15594a5ec165561956f3ad > Jul 09 10:56:12 2024 (47531) hyperkitty archiver: sending message <B9E91239-ED71-4CC6-8FFF-3308C5C4DE2E(a)me.com> > Jul 09 10:56:12 2024 (47531) HyperKitty failure on http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/api/mailman/archive: It looks like hyperkitty is throwing an uncaught exception in attempting to archive this message. Try moving 1720522497.980487+a88492922feca24ced15594a5ec165561956f3ad.pck out of the spool/ directory and see if it processes the rest of the messages there. You can examine that message with the `mailman qfile` command. There might also be a traceback in the Django logs that will say more about why HyperKitty is failing. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: List invisible to moderator

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/16/20 3:43 AM, Olaf Zaplinski via Mailman-users wrote: > I just have promoted a member to a moderator. Now when he logs in to > Postorius, he gets the message "There are currently no mailing lists.". > > I have set "Show list on index page" to "no" before. But as a moderator, > the list should be shown, right? I mean, all lists are shown to the > administrator also. > > When I manually enter the complete URL, the moderator can see the list. > I think this is a bug. Moderators should see their lists. What do you > thing? What Postorius version is this? It works for me in Postorius 1.3.3. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: User settings triggers error

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/28/20 5:20 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: > > That gives a slightly different error: > > mark@mail:/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/hyperkitty/models$ sudo patch < /tmp/patch.txt > patching file email.py > Hunk #1 FAILED at 24. > patch: **** malformed patch at line 23: I don't know about the failure. That probably is due to the version mismatch. The malformation is my fault. There should be an empty line following the last line. You didn't say what your HyperKitty version is, but here's a patch against 1.3.0. If this doesn't work, you could just try patching it by hand. I'm going fishing tomorrow so I won't be here much longer. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: mass subscribers disablement!?

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/26/21 9:39 AM, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-users wrote: > After the first time where users were unsubscribed automatically, I added > back one at a time all the subscribers who were unsubscribed. Now they have > all been unsubscribed again automatically. They are valid working email > addresses. How can I stop this behavior from occurring please? Do you have the bounce processing notifications `Notify owner on disable` and `Notify owner on removal` set to `Yes`. If not, set them. Then, what's in the notices you receive? You might also consider setting `verp_probes: yes` in the `[mta]` section of mailman.cfg. This will avoid some issues with users being disabled/unsubscribed due to list posts being rejected as spam. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 reinstall fail, need some help

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/12/22 08:38, Yvan ♞ wrote: > Yes it's debian and I have root access but it's a more "user friendly" > server release. > I tryed this but it block > https://github.com/YunoHost-Apps/mailman3_ynh/blob/master/README.md > > https://yunohost.org/en/administrate/whatisyunohost > Sincerely I don't read French very well, but your original logs at https://paste.yunohost.org/raw/xiqoyajegi and https://paste.yunohost.org/raw/hujesebita show installation failing because it fails to create /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg. This is either an issue with the Debian package or the YunoHost installer or an incompatibility between them. I would go first to YunoHost for help and then to Debian if necessary. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to use the "recipient_delimiter" postfix parameter with Mailman3?

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/12/22 08:54, Pierre Malard via Mailman-users wrote: > Ok, thanks for the documentation. > > But as Mailman uses this functionality for its own processing of emails, if I leave it to be used for another processing, Mailman will no longer work correctly... Please elaborate your concerns. I don't understand. > Ok, that means I'm going to forbid the use of the escape character when processing mailing lists. I don't know if I understand. If you are going to set Mailman's recipient_delimiter to `_`, that means you can't have `_` characters in list names. There should be no other limitations. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Template for Password Reset Email

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/17/24 21:27, Mark wrote: > > It's just the one list that is using French. Others are in English > > I've edited the order of the middleware settings in this file ... > > /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman_web/settings/base.py > > I reordered as below, restarted everything but no joy :-( Your reording is fine. > I'm thinking this is not the file I'm looking for. Apologies for my > cluelessness here. You have done everything correctly. What is missing is the user's browser is not putting `fr` first in the Accept-Language: HTTP header in it's requests. Most browsers have a setting to control this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 Docker question and importing lists from MM2

by Mark Sapiro

On 09/01/2017 07:09 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: > > I had a question regarding the parameter: SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN. > > I want to use multiple domains, what is the best way to specify multiple domains in this environment variable? I don't know the answer to this. > Furthermore, is there a recommended way to get data from MM2 (list configs and archives) into MM3? There are two things. For importing list configs there is bin/mailman import21 but it is not up to date and probably doesn't work. For importing archives there is django-admin hyperkitty_import [--settings=if.needed] which works well using the MM 2.1 LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox file as input. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Xapian alternatives

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/23/20 5:02 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > Are there alternative search engines to Xapian that can be used for Mailman 3? > > I have come to understand that Xapian development stalled in the v2.0 attempt. The 1.4 branch seems actively maintained. The latest release is 1.4.15, released on 2020-02-24. The installation that supports this list and also the installation that supports the MM 3 lists at mail.python.org as well as my own production server all currently use Xapian. They all started with Whoosh, but indexing was very slow. We then went to elasticsearch which is faster, but required some patching and requires a separate elasticsearch daemon. We are now using Xapian which is the fastest of the three and works well. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: automation of mailman3 core startup

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/27/20 7:41 AM, Ralf Wiegand wrote: > |Question: The above assumes that the user mailman will run the mailman3 > core application. So the user "mailman" has all the correct > permissions. The issue I have is to automate this part, so at start up > mailman3 will be running, at shutdown, being shutdown properly. There is a sample systemd script at <https://wiki.list.org /DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=systemd_mailman.txt> and a sample init script at <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience?action=At…> Both of these refer to /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman a sample of which is at <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience?action=At…> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Does mailman2 regular_exclude_list equal mailman3 receive_list_copy ?

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/4/20 8:37 AM, sunil soprey wrote: > Question: Reduce cross-posting to multiple lists (either BCC: or To: or CC:) > > Use-case: User sends email ( to: their email) and ( bcc: list1, list2 ) The sender-user and target-user1 (and target-userX) have receive_list_copy = False, and receive_own = True > > Issue: For mailman 3.3.1, a user receives their email from To:, however target receipients receive multiple copies of the emails. > This is different from mailman2 with the regular_exclude_list. That's correct. Mailman 3 does not (yet?) have a feature comparable to Mailman 2.1's regular_exclude_lists and regular_include_lists. People who are members of multiple cross-posted lists will receive a copy from each list. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: I don't get my posts with Gmail

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/16/20 6:58 AM, blackout69 wrote: > Hello everybody, > I noticed that if I use a Gmail account to write to a Mailman3 list, the > list receives my post and hyperkitty also archives the post, but I don't > receive my own post. I have read that it is Gmail's will to > automatically discard my post. Is there any way around this insane choice? The short answer is No. This is a Gmail/Googlemail issue. People have complained to Google and they have refused to change. People have tried setting filters and this too is unsuccessful. Our FAQ on this is at <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030680>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: problems installing mailman3 under gentoo and upgrading mailman2 to mailman3

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/13/21 11:14 AM, John Covici wrote: > > Now one thing came up while trying to create the database, I got a > traceback complaining about a revision error because gentoo had a > slightly different version (3.3.2) instead of 3.3.3 using pip. When I > upgrade mailman, am I going to have to do something to the database as > well and why should the database have some kind of reference to the > mailman version? I don't know why this is an issue. You shouldn't need to do anything with the database when you upgrade. Please post the full traceback and error message. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Can "Pre Verified" set to yes by default?

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/19/22 00:21, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > I don't know if there's a way to do this in settings.py, but I > suspect not. Maybe Mark knows a way. Well, I haven't tried this and I don't recommend it, but while the intent of settings.py is to assign values to various known attributes, it is a Python module which is imported and could contain any valid Python code including code to read, modify and rewrite .../site-packages/postorius/forms/list_forms.py. However, my recommendation is to maintain your local patches in a script that you can run following an update to apply them. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: "this held message has been lost"

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/9/25 13:34, My Self via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi > > I've upgraded mailman to the latest packages, and suddenly I'm experiencing the same. > It's running on python 3.12 because an issue with nntplib > > There is no race condition, because I'm the only moderator. And I'm not seeing how it can be cross-posted. > It's not immediately, it happens after a while. What `latest` packages? Prior to Mailman 3.3.10 there was a bug in the task runner that could do this. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1162 (tl;dr skip to https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1162#note_2113461048) and https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1212. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 month, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Block members from sending cc's and bcc's

by Mark Sapiro

> > Please confirm that setting up a rule for cc's in Header Filter to "hold for moderation," it should block the member from sending a cc? It will hold for moderation any message containing a Cc: header. It won't prevent the moderator from accepting the message. > And, for the pattern, are you suggesting I use ".*" with cc: as the regexprs? Or, what exactly do I use under as a regular expression? Use cc as the header and the two characters .* as the pattern (or whatever affinity calls it). See https://docs.python.org/3/library/re.html for information about Python regular expressions. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 month, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Update a member's display_name

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/16/19 7:24 AM, Nick Wynja wrote: > I believe I figured it out. > > I was updating `user.display_name` when the name I was seeing in Postorius was `user.addresses[0].display_name`. > > Here are all of the steps for anyone looking to solve the same thing: If you are using mailman shell, the next 2 are not necessary > from mailman.interfaces.usermanager import IUserManager > from zope.component import getUtility IUserManager and getUtility are already in the namespace created when mailman shell starts. And this one > from mailman.testing.documentation import dump_list isn't needed here. > user_manager = getUtility(IUserManager) > > u = user_manager.get_user('aperson(a)example.com') > u.addresses[0].display_name = "Anne" > commit() -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Python is updated

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/27/23 11:42 AM, Lars Bjørndal wrote: > After I've installed the venv and packages again, I get the following error when running the mailman command from within the venv: > > SystemError: initialization of _psycopg raised unreported exception > > How do I fix that? The first issue arises because the venv/bin/ directory contains only symlinks to a system python3, and either they broke upon the upgrade or they pointed to what is now Python 3.11 and there was some incompatibility between that python and modules in the venv. Did you install psycopg2-binary as discussed at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#installing-mail… Is the error logged in var/logs/mailman.log? If so, what's the traceback? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty href url to css cache files is not correct

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/5/23 12:47, Alexander Maier wrote: > Hello Mark, > > BASE_DIR = '/home/pocovobe/var/' > STATIC_ROOT = '/home/pocovobe/webserver/static' > STATIC_URL = '/static/' > STATICFILES__DIRS = empty > STATICFILES_FINDERS = ( > 'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.FileSystemFinder', > 'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.AppDirectoriesFinder', > #'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.DefaultStorageFinder', > 'compressor.finders.CompressorFinder', > ) OK. You now should have ALIAS /static/ /home/pocovobe/webserver/static/ in your web server config (or whatever the equivalent directive is for your web server if not apache. and you should run the django admin commands `collectstatic --clear --noinput` `compress` and if they haven't been run recently `compilemessages` `migrate` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Using clean_users.py

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/5/25 6:13 PM, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > I have run clean_users.py with: > DELETE_MAILMAN_USER = True > DELETE_DJANGO_IF_MAILMAN = True > > However, when I go to > https://mm3-site/mm/lists/listname.mm3-site/members/nonmember/ I still have > hundreds of users listed despite the script having run and it showed > hundreds of addresses removed. > What might be the issue? I expect to NOT find anything listed as nonmembers. That's expected. That script does not remove anything for a user that has any list memberships with any role. It could be modified to remove the Django and Mailman users whose only memberships are with role nonmember. That modification is left as an exercise for the reader. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Edit archived email? Is it possible?

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/7/21 6:31 AM, Prasanth Nair wrote: > Hi Mark, > > As you know, we can edit the individual messages using the message_id_hash. > Is there any possibility that we can edit the original message > which then updates all of the threads it has (for example, if someone > already replied to the original message)? Or do we need to edit each > message manually? You need to edit each message. A reply which quotes some or all of another message contains that quoted text as opposed to some reference to the text in the original message. Thus, editing the text in the original message has no effect on quoted text in the reply. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman issues after re-boot

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/29/23 08:52, paulrubin37(a)gmail.com wrote: > Does this make any sense to you? > > ERROR: Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement flufl.bounce (from versions: none) > ERROR: No matching distribution found for flufl.bounce was that in response to ``` pip install -U --force-reinstall flufl.bounce flufl.i18n flufl.lock ``` If so, I don't understand. https://pypi.org/project/flufl.bounce/ https://pypi.org/project/flufl.i18n/ and https://pypi.org/project/flufl.lock/ all exist. However, I now suspect the issue is somewhat different. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1085#note_1442207929 although that refers to $VENV_ROOT/lib/$PYVERSION/site-packages/mailman-3.3.8.egg-info/requires.txt and in your case, that might instead be $VENV_ROOT/lib/$PYVERSION/site-packages/mailman-3.3.8.dist-info/METADATA -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Removing Moderators

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/20/24 1:27 PM, steve.bachinsky(a)tena-sda.org wrote: > > If I know the moderator's email address, is there a way to do this in a python function? Something like ``` import os import sys from mailman.core import initialize from mailman.database.transaction import transaction from mailman.interfaces.listmanager import IListManager from zope.component import getUtility os.environ['MAILMAN_CONFIG_FILE'] = '/path/to/mailman.cfg' initialize.initialize() def delete_moderator(list_id, email): mlist = getUtility(IListManager).get_by_list_id(list_id) if not mlist: print(f'No such list {list_id}', file = sys.stderr) sys.exit(1) with transaction(): moderator = mlist.moderators.get_member(email) if moderator: moderator.unsubscribe() else: print(f'No such moderator {email}', file = sys.stderr) sys.exit(1) if __name__ == '__main__': delete_moderator('list.example.comg', 'user(a)example.com') ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: External MTA incoming mail: configuration

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/2/24 08:12, Roland Giesler via Mailman-users wrote: > > It seems though that since I'm not running a local MTA, when then mail > arrives at the mailman3 server, there's nothing that can process it. So > should I run postfix in it's most basic setup to allow mail to be > received or what is the best way to deal with it? Mailman3 has to > receive mail like signup confirmations, etc after all, not? If you use transport_maps on the remote MTA to relay the list mail to port 8024 on the Mailman server, Mailman's LMTP runner will receive the mail and you don't need a local MTA. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

11 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: list of subscribers

by Mark Sapiro

On 02/04/2018 10:31 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 02/04/2018 11:37 AM (UTC -0800), Peter Münster wrote: > >> Off topic: I have "Receive own postings = Yes", but I don't receive >> copies of my postings to this list... > > > We tried to send your copy of your post to you, but your MTA called it spam. > > Feb 4 19:38:09 mailman postfix/smtp[29085]: 89D4C8031E: > to=<pmlists(a)free.fr>, relay=mx1.free.fr[212.27.48.7]:25, delay=1.3, > delays=0.04/0/0.81/0.41, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host > mx1.free.fr[212.27.48.7] said: 550 spam detected (in reply to end of > DATA command)) > > (time stamp is UTC -0000) > > I suspect it doesn't like the fact that it's From: you but not sent by > your server. It looks like you bounce all your own posts select email, timestamp from bounceevent where email = 'pmlists(a)free.fr'; email | timestamp -----------------+---------------------------- pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-25 21:43:28.881213 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-25 23:08:27.943445 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-26 08:10:54.681684 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-26 08:36:54.613672 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-26 10:20:43.226199 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-26 12:13:49.488949 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-28 16:32:49.927769 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-28 20:15:21.073091 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-28 20:27:59.060866 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-28 21:23:54.176886 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-29 17:16:42.710431 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-30 08:17:39.112296 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-31 07:39:00.954735 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-31 08:41:45.46342 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-31 11:00:29.281051 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-31 19:58:17.341603 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-31 20:09:41.194564 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-01-31 20:59:58.868911 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-02-02 21:24:44.263614 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-02-02 22:51:04.674311 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-02-04 12:45:33.179401 pmlists(a)free.fr | 2018-02-04 19:38:10.224125 (22 rows) -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: digests are created but not sent out

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/9/19 12:53 PM, "Jörg M. Schulz" wrote: > To make it work, I have to comment out like this: > > Also only commenting out the .de section doesn’t help > > > # The default language for this server. > default_language: en > # [language.en] > # charset: utf-8 > # enabled: yes > > # [language.de] > # description: German > # charset: iso-8859-1 > # enabled: yes First, everything there should be a default, at least upstream, with the one exception of [language.en] charset: utf-8 I confess, I don't understand this, but please see <https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344>, and if you want to pursue it, report the issue to Debian. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 command line issue: NameError: name 'cli' is not defined when executing command=cli

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/13/20 7:10 AM, John W wrote: > Hi, I am following the guide here: https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/docs/create.h… > and am falling at the first hurdle. > > command = cli('mailman.commands.cli_lists.create') > NameError: name 'cli' is not defined. In order to run the doctest snippets, you need to import the helpers. See <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/docum…>. However, If all you want to do is create a list just run the `mailman create` command directly instead of trying to run the snippets in `mailman shell`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: New releases

by Danil Smirnov

The issue has confirmed by other users: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/issues/382 вт, 9 июн. 2020 г., 20:49 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > On 6/9/20 10:31 AM, Danil Smirnov wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Jun 2020 at 20:23, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > >>> COMPRESS_OFFLINE = True > >>> COMPRESS_ENABLED = True > >> > > > > These two are commented out. > > > Then compress shouldn't be trying to do anything. I can't explain what's > going on. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Problems after Upgrade

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/30/22 17:37, Jeff Steele wrote: > Thanks Mark, > > I was able to fix this problem easily by modifying: > > mailman3/lib/python3.8/site-packages/compressor/management/commands/compress.py > > to change the line: > > Command.requires_system_checks = None > > to > > Command.requires_system_checks = [] > > Now, bin/mailman-web compress runs but outputs: > > CommandError: Compressor is disabled. Set the COMPRESS_ENABLED setting or use --force to override. > > which I guess is fine. If you want to do off line compression which is a good thing, you need to set ``` COMPRESS_ENABLED = True ``` in your Django settings. I recently added this and also a note about CSRF_TRUSTED_ORIGINS to https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#initial-configu… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman web interface / uwsgi

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/27/22 00:19, Jan Eden via Mailman-users wrote: > > I see. But the mailman.cfg is placed in /etc/mailman3, and this file > also belongs to the core, doesn't it? In any case, I changed the > configuration parameter for [archiver.hyperkitty] as you suggested and > all settings are in one place now. In that case, it's probably just an oversight. The instructions at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html are an evolution of a process that started with an obsolete mailman-bundler package, the initial iterations of which are documented at https://wiki.list.org/x/17891998 and prior revisions of that page. https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html is still a work in progress. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: using SSH/TLS with external MTA

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/27/24 13:05, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > > ASMTP works on the premise of "we can relay mail for you if we can > authenticate you with certain credentials" > Adding the IP to "hosts we can relay mail for" negates the need to > authenticate, IMHO. > So I am still waiting for how MM3 does ASMTP. Does it? If by ASMTP, you mean SMTP AUTH, Mailman does it if smtp_user: and smtp_pass: are provided in mailman.cfg. I agree that an authenticated user should be able to submit mail to be relayed. Just guessing here, but perhaps the issue is the OP is submitting to the deprecated port 465 instead of 587. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating from old V2 server to new V3 server. Questions.

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/30/24 12:15, jkoral(a)luc.edu wrote: > We have figured out how to migrate from one server to another, but after removing the list from the old server, the e-mails are still trying to go there. Is there something that needs to be done in mailman so that the e-mail list will hit the new server instead? Does it just take time? This is a DNS issue. You need to update the MX and/or A records for the domain to point to the new server. After that is done, it still takes time for those changes to propagate depending on the TTL of the original records. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Auth question

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/3/19 11:00 AM, kelly.close(a)lrewater.com wrote: > Hi David, > > Did you ever find a resolution to these Authorization errors? I'm experiencing the same problem in a new setup. Would love to know if you figured it out! The code that produces that error is: if request.GET.get("key") != settings.MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY: return HttpResponse( """<html><title>Auth required</title><body> <h1>Authorization Required</h1></body></html>""", content_type="text/html", status=401) I.e., the key in the request which comes from the [general] api_key: setting doesn't match the key set as MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY. Do you have quotes around the api_key setting? That would be a mistake. See <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: What is the recommended format for mailbox interchange as files?

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/21/19 10:05 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > > This issue could very well go in an FAQ for mailman. Can I add a topic > somehow? Many others will hit the same problem. There is a FAQ article at <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030689>. If you wish to edit that or create a new article, see the first paragraph at <https://wiki.list.org/> about obtaining write permission. There is also some documentation of hyperkitty_import at <https://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/install.html#importing-the-curr…>, the source for which is at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/blob/master/doc/database.rst>. You could create a merge request to update that. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Migration from 2.1 to 3

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/3/20 7:55 AM, brunol(a)agro.uba.ar wrote: > I've found something, the imported list preferred language is Spanish (es), changing it to 'en' : ... > seems to fix everything, as soon as i hit ctrl+d the messages are delivered properly. > > Even when i set it to french which has the same charset as spanish it works as expected. Any ideas why? Actually, since Mailman 3.2.1, the default charset for 'fr' is utf-8, not iso-8859-1, although I don't offhand understand why the language would affect this even if the encoding is different. In any case, at this level the message should be pure ascii with any non-ascii having been base64 or quoted_printable encoded. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman web Stopped working after upgrade

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/3/20 12:33 PM, David Krantz wrote: > > I think that this might be due to some kind of python misfeature where > compiled code behaves slightly differently to interpreted code, that > might explain the delay in it working initially before breaking. I > have no idea of how to solve this. I have tried to uninstall and > reinstlall psycopg2 in different versions without any luck. You need to activate your virtualenv and do pip install psycopg2-binary it must be psycopg2-binary, not just psycopg2. It's probably best to do pip uninstall psycopg2 first. As far as it working for a while, did you restart your wsgi service (gunicorn, uwsgi, ??) after upgrading? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: migration plan and auto responder

by Mohsen Masoudfar

Thank you so much Mark! It worked perfectly. Mohsen -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 6:21 PM To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Re: migration plan and auto responder [EXTERNAL EMAIL] On 7/21/20 3:13 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > You probably also want to set Privacy options... -> Sender filters -> > member_moderation_action to Discard and on Membership Management... -> > Membership List under Additional Member Tasks, set everyone moderated. I answered a bit too quickly. Just s/probably/definitely/ in the above. This works because the autoresponses are sent before the moderation checks. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: [SOLVED] Re: Re: Newbie question 2: Rewriting issue for bounced emails

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/27/21 4:05 PM, William Oliver wrote: > > Again, a quick DuckDuckGo search reveals that this has come up a couple > of times. It required that I modify /etc/postfix/main.cf to add the > non-localhost ip4 address of the box to the mynetworks line: > > mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 10.0.0.0/24 > > to > > mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 10.0.0.0/24 2.56.57.28 > > > I assume that means that postfix uses localhost for regular mail, but > mailman3 uses the 2.56.57.28 address. Because you set smtp_host: mail.libertyfp.org in mailman.cfg. If you leave the default settings smtp_host: localhost smtp_port: 25 you won't have this issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderate first postings of new members

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/3/22 13:39, peter(a)chubb.wattle.id.au wrote: > > If you've set the default processing to 'hold for moderation' won't > this just continue to moderate the member? Ive been selecting 'Accept > immediately' in the dialog. "Default action to take when a member posts to the list" will only continue to be applied to the member if you select "List default". The difference between "Default processing" and "Accept Immediately" is "Default processing" passes the moderation check but continues to check other rules which are header-match, administrivia, implicit-dest, max-recipients, max-size, news-moderation, no-subject, digests and suspicious-header. "Accept immediately" bypasses all those additional checks. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Maximum recipients in an email.

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/12/24 02:14, via Mailman-users wrote: > Hello, > > where can I configure the maximum recipients in an email in mailman3? > > In my postfix configuration is set a limit "smtpd_recipient_limit = 200" and in the mailman3 smtp.log i will get a error message like "failed with code 452, b'4.5.3 Error: too many recipients'". Mailman3 repeats the delivery for these addresses, but i would like to configure correctly. The delivery of mails is then faster. This is the `max_recipients` setting in the `[mta]` section of mailman.cfg. Prior to 3.3.9 it defaulted to 500, but currently it defaults to 10 as a fix for https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1083 which is a slightly different issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Customize subjects

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/16/25 1:42 AM, johannes.wolf--- via Mailman-users wrote: > The lists preferred language is already German and I also set this language as default in the Mailman Settings but without any success. > When I register for the list I still get the English subject in my customised confirmation email template: "Your confirmation is needed to join the placeholder(a)placeholder.com mailing list." > Any further ideas? As Odhiambo confirms, it should work. You have said 'Our instance runs on a virtualised Debian server.' Does this mean you've installed the Debian Mailman package? If so, this may be a Debian issue and should be reported to Debian. If not, what is your Mailman core version and how was it installed? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 weeks, 2 days

[MM3-users] Re: Clearing webserver cache - Nginx

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/6/24 14:27, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > Is this with only one browser? It's a long shot, but clearing browser > cache might work. Actually, I see the same issues from my browsers, so it's not a browser caching issue. The only thing left is nginx caching, but, while I know very little about nginx, I think it doesn't cache by default and I don't see where in your posted config it's enabled. Perhaps there's more in your config that you didn't post. If there is a proxy_cache_path directive in your config try find /the/proxy/cache/path -type f -delete to clear the cache. As a last resort, your /opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/ directory should contain a css/ directory with 3 files and a js directory containing one file and a manifest.json file with a template for the `link` directives referencing those files. The js/ directory is easy as its only one file, so your server is looking for /static/CACHE/js/output.3aaa7705d68a.js and you could create a symlink in the js/ directory from output.3aaa7705d68a.js to the actual file. For the css directory, your server is looking for output.158acc288604.css and output.6dab123e4897.css, and I don't see the third file in the logs you posted, but if I go to pages in your archive that I see as unstyled and look at the stylesheet references, they are to output.44ea6c55e917.css, output.e68c4908b3de.css and output.9efeb5f3d52b.css so you could just symlink those to the actual files, it doesn't matter which as all three are loaded on each page. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

11 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Confirm on mass subscription

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/5/17 1:48 PM, David Krantz wrote: > > Is there a way of requiring all mass subscribed users to confirm their > email adress? I have an use case where we have a current mail list but > when moving it to mailman I for different reasons would like to > confirm all subscribers. Some very shallow testing suggests that if I > just add them using mass subscribe, they will not have to confirm at > all. > > I have yet to upgrade to 3.1 but I will do so in due time. In MM 2.1, you just send the users invitations rather than subscribing them. In MM3/Postorius, this does not seem to be an option at present. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years

[MM3-users] Re: Apache Conf

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/19/18 10:29 AM, Guiseppin Thomas wrote: > Hi, > Currently, I use a nginx configuration for mailman. It's work perfectly. > > I tried to do the same with Apache, but the statics files are not > delivered (404). ... > <VirtualHost *:80> > ServerName mailing.ddd.fr > > ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/mailing.error.log > CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/mailing.access.log combined > > <Location /static/> > Alias "/opt/mailman/static/" > </Location> > > <Location /> > ProxyPass http://localhost:8000/ > ProxyPassReverse http://localhost:8000/ > ProxyPreserveHost On > </Location> > </VirtualHost>/ In Apache, location <http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/core.html#location> is not appropriate for resources in the file system. Try Alias /static/ /opt/mailman/static/ not within a location block. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: How can I allow members of list A to post to List B and vice versa

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/19/20 3:51 AM, mario.mailman3(a)frese.online wrote: > > The best option I would like to have is to enter the name of List A in the non-members of List B an vice versa. All those nonmembers should not need to be moderated. > How can I manage this? I would be very glad for your ideas. This is a feature in Mailman 2.1 but is not yet available in Mailman 3. There is currently no good solution for Mailman 3 that I am aware of. I've opened <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/794> for this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem updating mailman

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/23/21 2:56 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > I am getting this error after I did a git pull and build. > > (venv) [mailman3@gw ~/git]$ /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman-post-update > + '[' False == False ']' > + mkdir -p /opt/mailman/mm/static > + /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin collectstatic --clear --noinput > --verbosity 0 > +* /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin compress* > CommandError: An error occurred during rendering > /opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/HyperKitty-1.3.4rc2-py3.7.egg/hyperkitty/templates/hyperkitty/404.html: > /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/rubygems/dependency.rb:311:in `to_specs': > Could not find 'sass-listen' (~> 4.0.0) among 4 total gem(s) ... Ruby-sass is no longer supported. Please see the Sass compiler section at <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#dependencies>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 generates long lines?

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/22/21 11:46 PM, peter(a)chubb.wattle.id.au wrote: > > I'm seeing emails being dropped when mm3 talks to the local smtp > server, with log errors like: > > 2021-06-23 15:42:24 1lvvea-007r8u-VN H=localhost (<FQDN>) [::1] > F=<announce-bounces@<FQDN>> rejected after DATA: maximum allowed line length is 998 octets, got 1036 > > The email itself did not have such long lines AFAICT. We would need to see the email itself in order to begin to understand if this is a Mailman issue or some issue withe the mail as received by Mailman. Assuming the prototype archiver is enabled, you should be able to find the messages in Mailman's var/archives/prototype/LIST/new/ directory. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Localization of auto-responses, question marks in welcome message

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/25/22 02:52, Claus-Justus Heine via Mailman-users wrote: > > I have installed custom templates using the REST API and pointing MM3 to > some download URIs. So MM3 has custom templates for particular lists, > but I did not yet install different templates for different languages. > Still I would also prefer that MM3 would assume that all template text > are UTF-8, independent from the language. I think in this case the issue is not in the retrieval of the template text, but rather in the representation of the resultant message in the character set of the lists preferred language, us-ascii for 'en' in this case. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Trouble in Debian11 after import mailman2 archive

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/25/22 03:21, qro(a)xs4all.nl wrote: > > Question: > Where do I have to look/make changes so I can import the old archive and > can send email to it? You are not looking at the relevant logs. In the first case, mail is delivered to Mailman, but then something happens to it before it is archived and delivered. Look in /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log and wherever Mailman's qfiles are in the Debian install. Assuming the message is not held for moderation, rejected or discarded due to list settings, it is probably queued in Mailman's `shunt` queue, and if so, there will be an exception and traceback logged in mailman.log. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 does not receive gmail-Members!

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/24/23 1:58 PM, Paul Brenner wrote: > Hallo > I need help! > My MM3 sends mails via a list. However, no mails arrive at all gmail > recipients. > These mails also do not end up in the spam or junk folders. > What do I have to do? If you have access to the outgoing MTA logs, what do they show about mail to these gmail recipients? Without access to these logs, you can set Process Bounces and Notify owner on bounce increment both to Yes in Postorius -> Bounce Processing and you should receive notices when mail is reported as undeliverable. These notices or the log entries should give a reason for non-delivery. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Message shows up individually but not in the thread

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/04/2017 01:19 AM, Marvin Gülker wrote: > Am 03. November 2017 um 12:35 Uhr -0700 schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: >> Are you running all of Django's periodic tasks? > > They are running. This is the excerpt from /etc/crontab: ... > Obviously, mailman-suite is installed at /home/mailman/mailman-suite and > owned by user 'mailman', with the actual Django project in the > subdirectory 'mailman-suite_project', just as cloned from the Git > repository. The only difference from the official guide here is that I > took the liberty to place Mailman into two virtualenvs (a Python2 one > for the Django project, and a Python3 one for Mailman-Core*). > > There are no errors reported with this in /var/log/cron.log. And before > you ask, the task queue is running as well. The uWSGI config has this: > > # Setup the django_q related worker processes. > attach-daemon = ./manage.py qcluster > > And the qcluster process shows both up in the process list and is > happily logging away in the uWSGI log. There is a possibly related issues at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/151> and some older ones at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/131> and <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/149>. I'm sorry I can't offer more help than that at this point. > * It'd be great if the mailman-suite was moved to Python 3 at some > point. That way one wouldn't need two separate virtualenvs. We're working on moving Postorius and HyperKitty to MM 3. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Importing mbox files into hyperkitty since date

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/20/19 3:08 AM, andrew.bernard(a)gmail.com wrote: > Well, reading the hyperkitty command source code, looks like it uses dateutil.parser, which shoudl read pretty much any date format (?). > > This is what happens: > > $ django-admin hyperkitty_import -v 2 -l jackrail(a)list.jackrail.org --since "2010-01-01 00:00Z" /tmp/jackrail(a)list.jackrail.org-2019-07.mbox > > CommandError: No such file: 00:00Z This appears to be a bug in Django's BaseCommand class which somehow separates '--since "2010-01-01 00:00Z"' into '--since 2010-01-01' and '00:00Z' despite the quotes. As a workaround, you can use '--since "2010-01-01/00:00Z"' which doesn't contain the problematic whitespace and which is acceptable to dateutil.parser.parse(). -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: mailman import21

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/11/20 7:41 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > Does the import21 script also import custom templates? No. > Are these custom > templates contained in the config.pck file? No. They are in the same MM 2.1 directory as the config.pck, but in a sub-directory for the language code, i.e. lists/LISTNAME/LC/ > Are there any known issues > with the importing of mm2 templates into a mm3 environment? The replacements are different. i.e., things like %(email)s and %(listname)s become $user_email and $short_listname. Also, there are some MM 2.1 templates that have no MM 3 equivalent. Also, things like message and digest headers and footers that are MM 2.1 list attributes that are templates in MM 3, although import21 tries to handle those. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Question about "envelope-from" header

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/12/23 10:45 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Stephen Daniel writes: > > > Will bounce processing still work? > > I think so. Pretty sure bounce processing on the bouncing side > doesn't care who the envelope sender is, it is based on the RFC 822 > sender, which is the Sender header field if set and the From field if > Sender is not present. Actually, I think all modern MTAs will return DSNs (bounces) to the envelope sender (MAIL FROM address)[1] which for list mail is the, possibly VERPed, listname-bounces address. If this is altered to a different address, bounce processing won't work. [1] See https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5321.html#section-4.4 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Timeout error on anonymous subscribe

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/23/24 13:23, Gerald Vogt wrote: > > I don't quite understand the relevance of the user accessing the > localhost tcp port. Any local user can do that. I am trying to duplicate what Mailman does in an attempt to find the issue. > I can access the template content with > > curl > http://localhost:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/community.lists.example.c… > > as well as > > curl > http://lists.example.org/mailman3/api/templates/list/community.lists.exampl… > > as any user on the mailman server. How about ``` curl -A 'python-requests/2.32.3' http://lists.example.org/mailman3/api/templates/list/community.lists.exampl… ``` as the Mailman user? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Python 3.13 compatibility

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/23/25 14:08, peter--- via Mailman-users wrote: > > Hi Folks, > I'm running the Debian-packaged mailman3 (version 3.8) which is a > little behind the current 3.9 release ... > Debian is now shipping Python 3.13 in 'sid'. > > https://docs.python.org/3/whatsnew/3.13.html#id4 > says: > Remove the ability to use Path objects as context > managers. This functionality was deprecated and has had no > effect since Python 3.9. (Contributed by Barney Gale in > gh-83863.) > > As a result, I'm hitting tracebacks from many operations where > pathlib.Path objects are used as context managers, like this one: This is https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1190 fixed for Mailman 3.3.11 by https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1309 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Extracting mailing list users

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/30/22 03:25, Jan Eden via Mailman-users wrote: > > On minor issue: All user names with > non-ASCII characters appear with quoted-printable encoding (e.g. > =?utf-8?q?J=C3=BCrgen?=). Is there a way to output UTF-8 instead of QP? I just created https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1048 for this. I think this patch ``` --- a/src/mailman/commands/cli_members.py +++ b/src/mailman/commands/cli_members.py @@ -104,10 +104,10 @@ def display_members(ctx, mlist, role, regular, digest, if nomail is not None: if member.delivery_status not in status_types: continue - if email_only: + if email_only or not address.display_name: print(address.original_email, file=outfp) else: - print(formataddr((address.display_name, address.original_email)), + print(f'{address.display_name} <{address.original_email}>', file=outfp) ``` (line may be wrapped) will fix it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius web issues after upgrading mailman 3

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/19/21 2:33 AM, Tibor Molnar wrote: > /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/hyperkitty > > /usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/hyperkitty/static/hyperkitty If you examine the source of your HyperKitty pages that have the issue, what do you see for the hrefs in the `<link rel="stylesheet"` tags in the <head> section. Also, I don't know if it is significant or not, but https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/upgrade-3.2.html#post-upgrade says to run ``` (venv) $ mailman-web compress (venv) $ mailman-web collectstatic ``` I always run those in the other order. I suggest you do mailman-web collectstatic --clear mailman-web compress (or whatever your django admin command is) in that order and see if that helps. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Turned on archiving and it is not working

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/9/22 12:47, bob B via Mailman-users wrote: > Mark, > > Thanks, So how do I check the version of mailman-hyperkitty? I thought that was the HyperKitty version 1.3.5. that was displayed in the web interface, but I assume that mailman-hyperkitty is something different? Yes. mailman-hyperkitty is a shim between Mailman core and HyperKitty. Your mail message has `` File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 154, in _archive_message` ``` The fact that it is line 154 says it is 1.1.0. You need to upgrade mailman-hyperkitty. I don't know how to do that in your Docker container. If you can run pip ``` pip install --upgrade mailman-hyperkitty ``` should do it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Installation Wooes

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/3/20 8:43 PM, Samir Faci wrote: > Inline. > > On Sun, May 3, 2020, 20:32 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net > <mailto:mark@msapiro.net>> wrote: > > You are sending from a remote machine 198.199.98.177 to a presumably > remote domain domain.com <http://domain.com> so relay access is > denied as it should be. > > You need to add 198.199.98.177 to mynetworks in Postfix. > > > I can but domain.com <http://domain.com> is basically my Gmail I just > regex-ed the logs. If that's the fix is have to add every recepients > domain to mynetworks. You absolutely don't want to do that. The log entry is confusing. Between your munging domains and my MUA adding mailto: links to every email address, it's a mess. Let's try again: May 4 03:07:38 lists postfix/smtpd[1968155]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[198.199.98.177]: 554 5.7.1 <csgeek(a)domain.com>: Relay access denied; from=<booh-bounces+csgeek=domain.com(a)lists.domain.org> to=<csgeek(a)domain.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<[127.0.1.1]>. This says Postfix received a RCPT command from 98.199.98.177. It looks like it comes from Mailman, i.e., the envelope sender loogs like a Mailman VERPed address <booh-bounces+csgeek=domain.com(a)lists.domain.org> for a message to <csgeek(a)domain.com> and that is the envelope recipient and the sender identified itself in EHLO as [127.0.1.1]. So Postfix thinks it is asked to relay from 98.199.98.177 to domain.com. Note that 98.199.98.177 is a Comcast network IP. It has nothing to do with gmail. So is the connect comes from Mailman on the Postfix machine, why does Postfix think it comes from 98.199.98.177. That's the issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Some threads donw download

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/17/19 6:53 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > As a possible clue, I use the filesystem to store attachments. For some reason I found that using Postgres if they are stored in the database they don't download in the Hyperkitty view mode for a post, although listed as present. Is this perhaps <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/247>, although I don't store attachments in the file system? > Could this be a bug relating to being unable to package up attachments if they are in the filesystem? In my case even though I can't retrieve the attachment via the link in the HyperKitty thread view, if I download the thread mbox, there is no issue and the attachment is there. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: max_message_size parameter not working in mailman 3.3.1

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/12/20 7:12 AM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: > > One of our users has sent a mail with nearly 27M to one of the > lists running on Mailman 3.3.1. Though I have configured the parameter > related to the Maximum message size as '0' which I meant as no limit to the > size of mail, I observed the mail is not accepted and rejected with the > message "Message size limit exceeds". The max_size rule will not reject a message. Barring other issues, a message which is too big will be held, not rejected, so something else is going on here. Without more information such as the actual rejection message, I can't say more. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Can't send emails to list users

by Mark Sapiro

On September 19, 2023 2:36:21 PM PDT, Rob Passalacqua <rpassalacqua(a)westminsteru.edu> wrote: >I said 'default-mailing-pipeline' but I meant the 'default-posting-pipeline' in the 'alter messages' setting for the mailing list. Any ideas why using the default-owners-pipeline could have broken? was it ever supposed to work? The list setting for pipeline shows all known pipelines in the drop-down. It is probably a bug that it shows default_owner_pipeline as that pipeline is only for messages to owners and moderators, not for list mail, as in addition to skipping several handlers, it sets recipients to the list admins rather than the members. It isn't broken, but using it for list mail is a serious misconfiguration. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Feature request, hyperkitty, low volume lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/9/25 06:07, Alain D D Williams wrote: > > My request is to make finding content easier. Possibilities: > > • On the summary (left hand side) put the number of posts after the month name > > • Only show months (left hand side) where there are any posts This is a long standing issue. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/79 > For an example see: > > https://fridayfolk.phcomp.co.uk/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/announce@fridayfol… The style of this page is not standard. Is this a downstream packaged HyperKitty? See https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/2025/1/ for the standard page or https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-i18n@python.org/2024/12/ for one with no posts. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Issue with Held Messages

by Mark Sapiro

On 08/20/2016 07:15 AM, Jean-Luc Wasmer wrote: > On 2016-08-20 02:08, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> If you look at the user's options when logged in as a list owner, you >> should see an additional "Administration options" section below those >> with a "Moderation" setting. What is that set to? > > I log in as the admin user created with "mailman-web-django-admin > createsuperuser", I created the list logged in as this admin user and > its email address is displayed in the "Owners" sections of the "Members" > tab. > I only have that 1 other member and when I check it settings, the last > section is "Avoid duplicate copies of messages?" and then there's the > "Save" button. You probably have an older version of Postorius than I have. I am a few weeks behind at the moment, but I basically am running the heads of the master branches as described at <https://wiki.list.org/x/17891998>, so I am unable to see what you see. Here's an example mailman shell session to see what various member moderation actions are. > mailman@mail:/opt/mailman/mailman-bundler$ bin/mailman shell mm3_test(a)python.org > Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell > The variable 'm' is the mm3_test(a)python.org mailing list > >>> list(m.members.members) > [<Member: None <barry(a)python.org> on mm3_test(a)python.org as MemberRole.member>, <Member: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)python.org> on mm3_test(a)python.org as MemberRole.member>, <Member: mark(a)msapiro.net on mm3_test(a)python.org as MemberRole.member>, <Member: gvanrossum(a)gmail.com on mm3_test(a)python.org as MemberRole.member>] > >>> m1 = list(m.members.members)[1] > >>> m2 = list(m.members.members)[2] > >>> m1.moderation_action > <Action.defer: 4> > >>> m2.moderation_action > <Action.accept: 3> >>> By the way, I didn't mention before but in Settings | Message >>> Acceptance, the "Acceptable aliases:" box contains "[]". When I try to >>> Save changes after modifying something, I gut "An error occured: []" in >>> the yellow banner (instead of "The settings have been updated."). >> >> >> What happens if you clear the Acceptable aliases box before saving? > > Then I get "The settings have been updated." after pressing "Save changes". > But if I navigate elsewhere and come back, the brackets are back in the form. This is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/51>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: digests are created but not sent out

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/9/19 11:53 AM, "Jörg M. Schulz" wrote: > and: When I put the stanza >>> [language.en] > into the mailman.cfg, the service doesn’t restart: > … > PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '//var/templates' > > somehow the template path gets lost by defining this section. Possibly, somewhere the path to the .en / language templates must be set. How, where? How are you restarting the service? Is is running as the Mailman user? There are issues that can occur if the service has run as root and is then restarted as the Mailman user. Some files get created by root which then can't be read/written by the Mailman user after restart. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: sqlalchemy.orm.exc.MultipleResultsFound: Multiple rows were found for one_or_none()

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/26/20 10:13 PM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: > Thank you Mark for your response. > > But I am having a final query over this issue. Out of the two hyperkitty > records I observed in the database, I am confused which record do I need > to remove directly from the database? Because I doubt still there is one > more list with the same style i.e. with two hyperkitty records. If there are multiple rows in the listarchiver for the same `mailing_list_id` and archiver `name`, you can safely delete all but one of them. It doesn't matter which ones you delete. They should be identical except for the `id`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: bypassing rules on an individual basis

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/4/25 13:03, via Mailman-users wrote: > > And, out of curiosity, why is the "accept_these_nonmembers" collection not applicable here? Is its use deprecated or is there a very particular use case for it? *_these_nonmembers is an artifact from Mailman 2.1 and its use in Mailman 3 for individual email addresses is deprecated in favor of setting the moderation action for a non-member. It is still useful in Mailman 3 for regexps and the @fqdn_listname functions. However, It can still be used with an individual email address, but it doesn't work for you because a match in accept_these_nonmembers is equivalent to a moderation_action of Defer, not Accept. This is consistent with how it worked in Mailman 2.1. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman web Stopped working after upgrade

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/3/20 1:26 PM, David Krantz wrote: > Hi, > > I tried psycopg2-binary and a few other rehashes of that. Now I got it > working by downloading the source for psycopg2 manually and building > it myself, then I installed it into my venv like any other self-built > package. https://pypi.org/project/psycopg2/#files I'm glad you got it working. I think installing psycopg2-binary with pip should have worked, so I suspect there was some residue of psycopg2 somewhere in the search path ahead of the psycopg2-binary that was the issue. > I run mod_wsgi in Apache so I thought it should be enough to restart > Apache. Yes, that should be sufficient. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty Error Curiosity

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/3/20 3:32 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > There was a message sent to a list that could not be archived by > Hyperkitty for the following reason: > > > WARNING 2020-11-03 17:20:54,507 800 hyperkitty.views.mailman Could not > archive the email with message-id > '<67BEBD75-B3DC-45E3-9C2F-55482F811238(a)ispdomain.com>': A string literal > cannot contain NUL (0x00) characters. > > It looks like there was a problem with the email message itself. What > causes such an error? A null byte in the message body. I suspect the message is still queued in Mailman's var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ directory and is being retried with each new post. You can examine the message with Mailman's `mailman qfile` command. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty.views.mailman Could not archive the email with message-id '<snip>': A string literal cannot contain NUL (0x00) characters

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/11/21 3:10 PM, Gilles Filippini wrote: > > Looking at the offending message with 'mailman qfile', it appears it is > a legitimate one actually, sent from an Android phone. > > Couldn't hyperkitty be a bit less strict? Possibly. It looks like this may be <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/271>, fixed? by <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/merge_requests/215>. What HyperKitty version is this? <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/merge_requests/215> is in 1.3.2. If your HyperKitty is >= 1.3.2, please file a new issue at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: message size

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/12/22 10:18 AM, ronald.clarke--- via Mailman-users wrote: > Dear Mailman users, > I recently had a message from a user of my Mailman account blocked because there were attachments that exceeded 2 MB. This is the message I got: > "Message body is too big: 5312119 bytes with a limit of 2000 KB". > Is there any way to increase the maximum allowable size of attachments? In Mailman 3, there is a list setting for maximum list size. See Postorius -> Settings -> Message Acceptance -> Maximum message size, but the message you got is from Mailman 2.1. The appropriate list for that is https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ In MM 2.1 this is controlled by the list admin UI General Options -> max_message_size. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: I'm seeing a lot of database locked errors

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/18/23 12:33 PM, bryan.kartzman(a)yu.edu wrote: > Sorry for the multitude of posts. I probably should have saved it all up for one post. > > I see in the hyperhitty_email table right after the "date" field there is a "timezone" field. I altered the "date" field to "timestamp with time zone" when I changed every timestamp field in the database from "without time zone" to "with time zone". Are there some (like this "date" field) that should have remained "without time zone"? The date field and the archived_date field should be `timestamp with time zone` in spite of there being a separate timezone field. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: An issue with the postfix_domains directory creation and the mailman start command.

by Mark Sapiro

On July 10, 2024 1:35:03 PM PDT, Keith Christian via Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: >Ron, I get this: > > > 1 (venv) [mailman3@somehost ~]$ mailman conf | grep layout > 2 [mailman] layout: local > >I've added your paths to /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg: > > 1 # /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg > 2 > 3 [paths.here] > 4 var_dir: /opt/mailman3/mm/var > 5 bin_dir: $argv > 6 log_dir: $var_dir/logs > 7 data_dir: $var_dir/data > 8 > 9 > 10 > 11 [mailman] > 12 layout: here > 13 layout: fhs > 14 layout: local > Everything you put on lines 4-7 is irrelevant because line 14 overrides line 12. Remove lines 13 and 14. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Counter-intuitive header filter processing

by Mark Sapiro

On 09/18/2018 10:26 AM, Jonas Meurer wrote: > > Apparently, that's not the case. If the default message acceptance > setting for members is set to "reject", then mails from > *(a)freesources.org get rejected even though the header filter says > "accept". In other words, the default message acceptance action seems to > overrule any header filters. > > Is this expected behaviour? Yes. Rules are normally checked in a sequence defined in mailman/chains/builtin.py and that sequence checks several things including member moderation before checking header matches, so if "Default action to take when a member posts to the list" is anything other than "Default processing", that action will take precedence over header matches. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Configure MM3 with separate IMAP Mailserver

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/2/23 03:44, clemens.leider(a)gmail.com wrote: > Dear all, > > we have managed to setup MM3 following the docker Installation concept/Tutorial. So far so good. However now i am struggeling with connecting to MTA. We are using imap server of our hosting provider.how to integrate that properly? Google was not too much of help unfortunately…looking for some tutorial or howto/step by step if possible. Assuming your Docker container can send TCP requests to the outside world, you need to set things in mailman.cfg like [mta] smtp_host: name or IP address of the IMAP server smtp_port: 587 or whatever the server's submission port is smtp_user: credentials for IMAP login smtp_pass: " " " " -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Verification links to localhost

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/4/23 22:50, Lars Bjørndal wrote: > The verification link I get back when trying to add an account, referes > to localhost, e.g. > > To confirm this is correct, go to https://localhost:8000/accounts/confirm-email/Mw:1... > > Where do I change that? This message comes from Django allauth and is probably using what it thinks is the host that is doing the add. This is based on your web server configuration which I would need to see to be more specific. I suspect you are proxying requests to https://localhost:8000/ and you are missing a directive to pass the host. For Apache I think you want ``` ProxyPreserveHost On ``` and for nginx ``` proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Template URI gets written incorrectly

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/23/23 16:51, Mark Dale via Mailman-users wrote: > > When I create a template, it writes the URI incorrectly into the > template table in the mailman3 database and the list stops working. > > For example, it writes: > > http://localhost/mailman3/postorius/api/templates/list/markslist.lists.post… > > When I correct it like so, all is well: > > https://lists.postmark.io/mailman3/postorius/api/templates/list/markslist.l… > > Have I missed a config setting somewhere, or is this a bug with the > older Debian Mailman 3.3.3 ? You need to set POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://lists.postmark.io/' in your Django settings. Debian probably has set it to 'http://localhost/'. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: 500 error on one list

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/13/24 8:35 AM, Seth Seeger wrote: > > Did this one list get corrupted somehow? This is https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/657 We still don't know the underlying cause. Note that the first script in that issue assumes that the multiple entries are for the mhonarc archiver, but this isn't always true. If you run this database query SELECT * FROM listarchiver WHERE mailing_list_id = (SELECT id from mailinglist WHERE list_id = 'list.example.com'); replacing list.example.com with the list_id of your problem list, you will see there are two entries with the same name. Then do DELETE FROM listarchiver WHERE id = nn; where nn is the id of one of the duplicates, it doesn't matter which. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Moderator e-mails only going out once a day

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/26/25 6:46 AM, jkoral(a)luc.edu wrote: > OK, another thought. Could it be because of the way my cronjob is setup??? Here is what I have. > > @daily /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman digests --periodic > @daily /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman notify > * * * * * /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs minutely > 0,15,30,45 * * * * /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs quarter_hourly > @hourly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs hourly > @daily /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs daily > @weekly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs weekly > @monthly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs monthly > @yearly /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs yearly That looks good, but admin_immed_notify doesn't depend on any cron. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Help request, almost got it going, but ....

by Mark Sapiro

On 09/01/2017 04:20 PM, Claus-Justus Heine via Mailman-users wrote: > > The issue seems not to be overly active. I thought -- coming from > Mailman v2 -- that the configuration of acceptable submitters to an > email list (e.g. keep everyone moderated?) would be a central and > prominent and important configuration issue. Seems not to be a central > point. Mmmh. Acceptable aliases corresponds directly to MM 2.1 Privacy options... -> Recipient filters -> acceptable_aliases. It has nothing to do with submitters. It is a list of other addresses that can be in the To: or Cc: of a post to avoid and "implicit destination" hold if the list posting address is not there. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 Docker

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/8/19 10:50 PM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > Now that has clarified the matter for me. That even when I am logged out, > the scripts do the neccessary > to activate the venv to run things. As mentioned before, a virtualenv is not like a container. It is only a directory that contains among other things a bin/ directory with activate scripts and easy_install, python, pip and wheel commands. When you activate a virtualenv in your shell, all it really does is add a deactivate command, modify the command prompt and insert its bin/ directory at the beginning of its PATH. What this means is whether or not a virtualenv is "active", running a command from the bin/ directory in the virtualenv is using the virtualenv. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Migration from 2.1 to 3

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/23/19 7:52 AM, brunol(a)agro.uba.ar wrote: > > Dec 23 12:35:47 2019 (701) held message approved, message-id: <CAOwJ5NX=_bUnfb5ZNqVLFeF3EeOP0GMJW7NeeOWZqVmn5ViyBg(a)mail.gmail.com> > > And then nothing. None of the members receives the message Are you sure none of the members receive it or is it just you that doesn't receive it? If it's just you, I note the message-id is @mail.gmail.com and I wonder if the issue is <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030680>. What's in the MTA log for the time immediately after you approve the message? Are there any errors/tracebacks in the mailman.log after the above approval message? If a message is posted to the list that isn't held, is that message delivered? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: New Installation of MM3 is not archiving

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/30/23 02:57, Onyeibo Oku wrote: > > My new MM3 instance does not seem to be archiving. List subscribers > are currently sending and receiving mails on their subscribed lists. > However, none of the correspondence is showing up at > https://mailing-list-site.tld/archives/. That page shows a listing of > the active mailing-lists with '0 participants' and '0 discussions'. > Whereas, those lists contain mails. > > How do I troubleshoot this? The messages as pickled message objects are probably queued in /opt/mailman/mm/var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/. The first place to look for the reason is in /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/mailman.log. There might also be info in /opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Error: ConnectionRefusedError at /accounts/login/

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/25/25 12:29, Kim Sunggun via Mailman-users wrote: > Hello, > When I sign in new id, it has an issue. Could you please guide me to fix it? > > error: > ConnectionRefusedError at /accounts/login/ > [Errno 111] Connection refused > Request Method: POST > Request URL: https://lists.klnpa.org/accounts/login/ > Django Version: 4.2.19 > Exception Type: ConnectionRefusedError > Exception Value: > [Errno 111] Connection refused > Exception Location: /usr/lib64/python3.9/socket.py, line 844, in create_connection > Raised during: allauth.account.views.LoginView What is your Django setting for EMAIL_BACKEND? Normally, this is EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' Depending on your outgoing MTA, you may need additional settings. See https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/5.1/topics/email/#django.core.mail.backen… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Mail not going out

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/21/19 11:30 PM, andrew.bernard(a)gmail.com wrote: > What process handles the sending of the mail out to subscribers? > > My new installation suddenly stopped sending. Apologies for so many newbie questions. See <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/8-miles-high.html> Incoming messages are received by Mailman's `lmtp` runner and queued in the `in` queue. They are picked up from there by the `in` runner and processed through a chain of rules and if accepted processed through a pipeline of handlers, one of which will queue the message in the `out` queue. Then the `out` runner will pick up and send the message. Look at logs, particularly mailman.log, and queues and ensure Mailman and all the runners are running. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: First time mailman installation

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/25/24 00:19, Roland Giesler via Mailman-users wrote: > > As I have written in another post I made, I have set the (apparently) > appropriate parameters in the mailman.cfg, but I still get "relay access > denied" from my external MTA, which mean that authentication is not even > attempted, or am I mistaken? You may find this doc useful - <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/mta/docs/c…>. In your case, the secure connection is established and the user authenticated before the mail is sent, and the "relay access denied" is in response to the SMTP RCPT TO command which is part of sending the mail. I.e., authentication succeeded before the "relay access denied" occurred. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: New Lists Appear in HyperKitty Archives, But No Mail Data is Shown

by Mark Sapiro

On July 12, 2025 8:28:58 AM EDT, Asif Muzammil via Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: >Hello, > >*Problem:* When I create a new mailing list in Mailman Core and then visit >the HyperKitty archives, the list is correctly displayed. However, when I >send an email to that list, no mail data (messages) are shown inside it. >The message count for the list remains at zero in the archives UI. The messages are probably queued in Mailman core's var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ directory and the errors that cause this logged in var/logs/mailman.log. Once you fix the underlying issue, the messages will be delivered to hyperkitty on the next post. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.

2 weeks, 6 days

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 without Hyperkitty in docker

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/27/19 12:38 PM, Danil Smirnov wrote: > Hi Abhilash, > > ср, 27 февр. 2019 г. в 22:21, Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in>: > >> So, what errors are you looking at in uwsgi*.log? >> > > There are tons of errors like this: > > Unknown command: 'qcluster' > Type 'manage.py help' for usage. > [uwsgi-daemons] respawning "./manage.py qcluster" (uid: 100 gid: 101) > Unknown command: 'qcluster' > Type 'manage.py help' for usage. > [uwsgi-daemons] throttling "./manage.py qcluster" for 26 seconds do you have django-q in INSTALLED_APPS in your Django settings and what is set for Q_CLUSTER? Does the manage.py that's being run here point to the right settings.py? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM2 -> MM3 Migration: listinfo page

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/8/23 02:21, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > For those who have migrated from MM2 to MM3, does someone have an elegantly > modified listinfo page they are willing to share? I remove the MM 2.1 list, but leave the archives. Instead of having any kind of listinfo page, I put a redirect in Apache for each migrated list. E.g. RedirectMatch permanent /mailman/listinfo/mailman-users(/.*)?$ \ https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ For archives, I add a note to archives/private/<listname>/index.html. See https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/ for an example. This works for public archives, but not for private archives because there is no longer a list to use for private archive authentication. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Thread IDs on messages incrementing per reply?

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/18/23 14:54, Thomas Ward via Mailman-users wrote: > > Is there any way to have Subject based thread tagging, etc.? I ask this > only because we're trying to thread items for easy ID in a system right > now that does thread ID tagging in the subject line (i.e. > "[Test-0000004] Something" and "Re: [Test-0000004] Something" are > identified as the same thread, but a brand new message "Something" would > end up as "[Test-0000005] Something" in the chain if it was a new message.) It is not possible with the current design. The issue is the tagging is done by Mailman core and Mailman core knows nothing about threads. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: hidden list is hidden even to the owner

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/2/20 8:10 AM, Mohsen Masoudfar wrote: > > This is after a long fight with AWS and Redhat versions, I ended up installing the mailman3-full package on Ubuntu18. Installation was straight forward and easy, but it seems it is not easily possible to update/upgrade Postorius alone in this configuration, is it? You can't upgrade Postorius alone in any configuration because the latest Postorius requires recent Mailman core, mailmanclient and django-mailman3. Depending on how the Debian/Ubuntu package installs these things, it may be possible to upgrade them with pip3, but as I don't know the details of how they are installed in this package, I can't say how to do this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: ERROR sqlalchemy.exc.OperationalError: (psycopg2.OperationalError) could not translate host name xxxx to address

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/2/23 14:03, o.mankewitz(a)gmail.com wrote: > > This is the part of mailman.cfg: > [database] > class: mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase > url: postgresql://mailman:<mypassword>@localhost/mailman > Full error: > sqlalchemy.exc.OperationalError: (psycopg2.OperationalError) could not translate host name "assword>@localhost" to address: Name or service not known Do you have literally `<mypassword>` in `url: postgresql://mailman:<mypassword>@localhost/mailman` `<mypassword>` needs to be replaced with the actual password for the postgress `mailman` user. I.e. the password you provided when you did `CREATE USER mailman WITH PASSWORD 'secure-password';` in postgres (and hopefully didn't set it to literally `secure-password`). -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: new list not working

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/9/23 08:51, Christian via Mailman-users wrote: > I created a new list using via the form. I sent a test message to the new > list and it appears in the list archive. However I am not receiving the > distribution. > > What should I check for please? Does the list have members, i.e. actual members, not just owners and moderators, and do the members have Delivery status Enabled and Delivery mode Regular. If those show as '-----' in list based preferences, then the address based preferences if any or the global preferences apply. Also check Mailman's var/logs/mailman.log for errors resulting in shunted messages or other messages about the disposition of this message.. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: PGP - S/MIME signed messages

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/28/25 13:29, Peter Adebahr via Mailman-users wrote: > > Hi * > > we are receiving a few PGP-signed posts as a S/MIME attachment. Some > final recipients check these, and as mailman3 does not munge them - the > original mail is signed, not mailman3's final posts - those get rejected. I don't understand. Can you expand what you mean by "the original mail is signed, not mailman3's final posts" Do you mean the post to the list is signed, but the post from the list is not? If so, what are your content filtering settings? For example, this list has in Pass Types: ``` multipart message/rfc822 text application/pgp-signature application/x-pkcs7-signature application/pkcs7-signature ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 days, 12 hours

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius confirmation mails shown in uwsgi-error.log but not sent

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/29/20 6:46 PM, Abhilash Raj wrote: > Do you have something like this[1] in your settings.py file? > > [1]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/-/blob/master/mailman-suite_projec… > > `EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.console.EmailBackend'` > > `This is a dummy email backend which will basically only print the email to stdout, which seems to happen in your uwsgi-error.log. If you do, please comment it out and see if that solves your issue.` I know Ralph previously posted > $ grep ^EMAIL settings.py > EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' > EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost' > EMAIL_PORT = 25 but is this perhaps overridden in a settings_local.py file? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Importing mbox file into MM3

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/22/23 7:00 PM, Mark wrote: > Hi All > > I'm trying to import a large mbox file from a MM2 list into a new list > on MM3. > > The new MM3 list has 3 test emails in its archive. > ... > The import or rebuild has failed as it's just rebuilding the existing > archive of the 3 test messages. > > What am I doing wrong? Presumably, the 3 test emails are newer than the messages in the archive .mbox. The default for hyperkitty_import is to not import messages older than the newest message in the existing archive. You need to specify something like `--since='1970-01-01'` on the hyperkitty_import command to import these older messages. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Hiding an ML from a site

by Mark Sapiro

On February 7, 2024 1:34:32 PM PST, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >What should I do then? Edit some file? Apply some patch? >It's pretty easy for me to create a DNS record for the same server (IP) for >use with the web host that I'd like to hide. In the Domains view in postorius, you need separate mail hosts. Then you need to change the domain of one of the lists to the 'new' mail host. This implies changing its address which may not be acceptable. Or, you can just live with it as is. Note, I have been without power at my house for almost 3 days now, so I don't have access to all my usual resources. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: list owner creation

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/21/21 4:15 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > On 2/21/21 6:50 PM, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-users wrote: >> If one inadvertently deleted a list owner account, how could one either >> create a new account and make them a list owner -or- make an existing >> account a list owner? Thanks! > > Are you talking about deleting the account via the Django admin > interface or via Postorius? > Yes, the answer depends on what you did and what tools you have available. For example, if you deleted the owner via the Delete button on the page at <https://example.com/mailman3/lists/list.example.com>/members/owner/>, you can add it back on the same page. You need to tell us what you did. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Handling of spam

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/5/22 09:57, Eggert Ehmke wrote: > > Now comes the strange part: sometimes a spam message is put into a multi-part > message and forwarded to the list owner (me). This multi-part message contains > the message marked as spam, but is not marked as spam itself. The origin of > those message is the bounces address of the list. > > So my first question is: where can those messages be generated? I can provide > the message header, but it would contain a lot of details of my server. Messages can be forwarded to the list owner in multiple ways, but in all cases the Subject: and initial body part of the notice to the admin should explain why it is being sent. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Disabled by bounce

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/1/23 10:49, Allan Hansen wrote: > > Is it the case that if I set the 'Bounce info stale after' to 3d then in 3 days the bounces will be reset to 0 if no further bounces have arrived? I saw a post that made me doubt this. Yes and no. If 'Bounce info stale after' is set to 3d and no bounces for a user are received in a 3 day period, the user's bounce score is not immediately reset, but it will be reset (to 1) the next time a bounce is received for the user. I.e., it is effectively the same thing unless you are looking at the user's bounce score which doesn't change until the next bounce. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

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