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[MM3-users] Re: Setting base_url for the domain to use it in the templates.

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/10/24 7:17 PM, Timour Bakeev wrote: > Hi all! > > I'm trying to use extended placeholders for the [templated texts](https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/res… in the message footer that are sent to the members: ... > But my attempts to use REST API to set it fail: This feature is in the not yet released Mailman 3.3.10, see https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.… It is not available in 3.3.9. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty error - not archiving

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/26/25 1:23 AM, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > I am seeing the error below and wondering what's the cause: The message has some issue which is causing HyperKitty to not be able to archive the message. The message will be queued in Mailman's var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ directory and can be examined with `mailman qfile`. If you do that and the cause is not clear, you can post the message, and we will investigate. If the message is unwanted, you can just remove the file from Mailman's var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ directory. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Where does sender postorius@ come from?

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/14/23 14:35, Jens Günther wrote: > Thanks for the hint. Unfortunately it's not working as expected. I'm > using the docker-setup and tried it in 2 different locations, but > neither got the expected effect: > > - I put the variable in the mm-web-container-environment: > mm-web: > environment: > - EMAIL_CONFIRMATION_FROM=myaddress(a)something.org That won't work > - Then I tried settings_local.py with: > EMAIL_CONFIRMATION_FROM = 'myaddress(a)something.org' That is the correct place. It should work. Did you restart the container after making this change? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty list overview error: thread matching query does not exist

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/28/23 10:17 PM, Ken Alker wrote: > > Tthere is now an implication that my daily recent_threads_cache job must not have been running, true? Is there some way to check to see if the jobs are running? I did a "crontab -l" and the cron jobs that appear are identical to what was suggested at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html?highlight=perio…. ``` grep 'CRON.*runjobs' /var/log/syslog ``` will tell you if cron is running the various `runjobs` commands. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Can't start mailman after reboot.

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/24/23 11:22 AM, mrl(a)psfc.mit.edu wrote: > Hi - I couldn't find the locks. So I rebooted the computer and it told me to force start it using: > > mailman -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg start --force > > I recall someone asking using bugzilla (?) a few months ago, if this could be in the startup file. > > What do you think about that? It is a bad idea because it allows using the normal startup to start a second instance of Mailman core when core is already running. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Aborted connection message in log in every 5 minutes

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/31/24 02:23, Danil Smirnov wrote: > > I observe occasional error messages in MariaDB log even with NNTP runner > disabled via > ``` > [runner.nntp] > start: no > ``` > They look like this: > ``` > 2024-01-31 0:23:03 231666 [Warning] Aborted connection 231666 to db: > 'mailman_core' user: 'root' host: '192.168.32.7' (Got timeout reading > communication packets) ... > ``` > However, no harm caused by them was detected. Can you correlate these with mailmanweb.log entries that might indicate what Django was doing. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating from old V2 server to new V3 server. Questions.

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/14/24 10:31, jkoral(a)luc.edu wrote: > Ah, you are right. I was able to run it from /opt/mailman/venv/bin/. I'm so confused on why it won't send out to the e-mail on the list now. Look for shunted messages in Mailman's var/queue/shunt. Look for error messages in Mailman's var/logs/mailman.log. Check the ownership and permissions on everything in Mailman's var/templates/ directory if there is anything to ensure the Mailman user can read it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: What is result of planned MM3 integrated installation at Pycon?

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/9/18 2:19 PM, Tom Browder wrote: > I may have missed the announcement, but I thought it was hoped to get a > major leap toward an integrated MM3 installation at the May Pycon. Did > anything exciting happen toward that goal, or should I just press on with > the latest release? We accomplished a lot. We are still tying up a few loose ends, but the release should be soon. FWIW, this list is currently running on the HEADs of the GitLab branches. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Manage Member(s) Mailman Settings / Display Names

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/10/20 4:55 PM, Jim Ward wrote: > Mailman2 allowed me to list my members and modify a number of their attributes (display_name, etc) > > Postorius is a beautiful interface BUT I am evidently not finding how to manage my members to the extent that I could in Mailman2 It's not like MM 2.1 where you have a membership list with columns of checkboxes, but if you pull down the Users menu and select Members or Non-Members, each user has an options link that allows you to set/change options. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty messages stuck in spool

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/4/21 5:06 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: > Hi. > > I am seeing an issue whereby messages get stuck in the /opt/mailman/var/archives/hyperkitty/spool directory. This happens when Mailman's attempt to archive the message gets a non-success status from HyperKitty. The pickled message object gets stored in the above spool/ directory. Each subsequent message to archive retries the messages in the spool. The information from HyperKitty about the non-success is logged in the /opt/mailman/var/logs/mailman.log file and messages tn the spool can be examined with the `mailman qfile` command. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: aborted connection

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/19/22 05:23, Sandor Dibuz wrote: > Am I right expecting that such warnings are harmless and probably come > from timeouts and/or unterminated connections to the DB? > > Feb 19 14:15:18 localhost mariadbd[28859]: 2022-02-19 14:15:18 22154 > [Warning] Aborted connection 22154 to db: 'mailman3' user: 'mailman3' > host: 'localhost' (Got an error reading communication packets) You may be correct in your assumption that these are harmless. I would try to correlate them with access and error logs from the web/wsgi server to get more information. Also see https://dba.stackexchange.com/questions/19135/mysql-error-reading-communica… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: RE in Ban List

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/12/22 16:36, Peter Chubb wrote: > > Hi > I tried to add the regular expression > sales@.* > to the ban list for one of my lists and got: > An error occurred: Invalid Parameter "email": Expected a valid > email address or regular expression, got sales@.*. > > Now, 'sales@.*' _is_ a valid regular expression --- so why did it fail? A regular expression must begin with `^` for the ban list as in `^sales@`. Strings that start with `^` are interpreted as regular expressions and those that don't are interpreted as email addresses. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Disabling mail/news gateway was: Moderation action "None" is misleading

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/5/25 11:42, Thomas Krichel wrote: > > I have no use for that feature anyway. I have not seen a > configuration option to disable it. What I have done is > > # diff /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/modules.py~ /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/utilities/modules.py > 149a150,151 >> if(module_name == 'mailman.commands.cli_gatenews'): >> continue As of Mailman 3.3.10 (not yet released) the nntp runner is not started by default. For older releases you can add ``` [runner.nntp] start: no ``` to mailman.cfg -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

10 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/test2.***/settings/message_acceptance MultipleObjectsReturned .. get() returned more than one EmailAddress -- it returned 2!

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/1/25 08:17, ^m'e via Mailman-users wrote: > > The same problem appeared today with my mariadb-based installation. @Mark, do you have a mysql version of your scripts? I'm not certain as I don't offhand have a way to test, but I think g/psycopg2/s//pymysql/ (i.e. just replace both occurrences of `psycopg2` with `pymysql`) will do it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: postorius not displaying mailman logo

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/22/22 02:34, sekamug--- via Mailman-users wrote: > it seems the browser fails to access the directory where the pictures are stored. I have checked and mailman is the owner of that directory. The static directory is accessed directly from your web server, not via proxy to some wsgi server. For example, this list's web UI is served via nginx and we have the equivalent of ``` location /static/ { alias /opt/mailman/web/static/; } ``` For apache, something like ``` Alias /static/ /opt/mailman/web/static/ <Directory "/opt/mailman/web/static/"> Require all granted </Directory> ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Apache+mod_wsgi issue

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/22/22 16:03, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > There is just one more thing - I have this in settings.py: > LOGGING['handlers']['file']['filename'] = > '/opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/mailmanweb.log' And what are LOGGING['handlers']['file']['level'], LOGGING['handlers']['file']['class'] and LOGGING['handlers']['file']['formatter'] > However, the referenced file is ever empty. At what point is it supposed to > record anything? What is logged depends on `level` but even with `DEBUG` not much routine stuff is logged. See https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/3.2/topics/logging/ -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: RemoteUserBackend for Mailman3?

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/27/23 06:00, Markus Ludwig Grandpré wrote: > Dear MM§-users, > > is there a good documentation and example how I can learn to enable > > django.contrib.auth.backends.RemoteUserBackend > > for Mailman3? I've already found a detailed documentation (see [1]), but > I do not manage to implement this AuthN mechanism for Mailman3. Can you > help me? Have you configured your web server. If using Apache mod_wsgi, see https://modwsgi.readthedocs.io/en/master/user-guides/access-control-mechani… If proxying to a wsgi server, e.g. uWSGI or gunicorn, see the respective documentation for passing environment variables. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 does not receive gmail-Members!

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/24/23 3:31 PM, Paul Brenner wrote: > If you have access to the outgoing MTA logs > Where can i have access to the MTA logs? Please keep follow-ups on the list (you may need to reply-all). The logs would be on the server on which Mailman is installed. Exactly where depends on the specific MTA, but possibly somewhere like /var/log/mail.log If you don't have access to the server's file system, you can configure bounce processing as I suggested at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Python is updated

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/27/23 1:15 PM, Lars Bjørndal wrote: > [Mark] > >> This appears to be an issue with psycopg2 itself. >> >> What happens if you activate your venv and do >> >> python -c 'import psycopg2' > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "<string>", line 1, in <module> > File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2/__init__.py", > line 51, in <module> > from psycopg2._psycopg import ( # noqa > SystemError: initialization of _psycopg raised unreported exception Your psycopg2 installation is broken. Try to `pip uninstall` it and then install again. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Message is received but is not sent out. Another, similar message, is processed fine.

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/27/23 12:30 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > That said, if the users are unable or unwilling to use UTF-8, it would > be possible to create a codec for "iso-8859-8-i", I don't know how to > do that, and I doubt Mark does. You could ask on > python-list(a)python.org, or file an RFE on Python's GitHub tracker. See https://github.com/python/cpython/issues/90079 filed by me in Nov 2021. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Disable Sign-up per domain

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/1/25 17:43, Mark wrote: > > If I leave the modified "user_adapter.py" in place, and remove the > ACCOUNT_ADAPTER string from the "settings.py" file all is well ie. the > SignUp pages display as they should. What happens if you put the unmodified "user_adapter.py" in place and add the ACCOUNT_ADAPTER string to the "settings.py" file. I.e. I'm trying to determine if the issue is related to the modifications or if it occurs even with the unmodified "user_adapter.py" with the ACCOUNT_ADAPTER string added to the "settings.py" file. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Why are moderation mails sent to list moderator (if there are any) _and_ then also to the list owner?

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/24/25 11:58, Wikinaut wrote: > Dear all, I am quity puzzled to receive a bunch of mails which are moderators works - I just set up one person as a list moderator - but I do receive the moderation request as well. > > How can this be stopped? Only by modifying code. See the thread at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… for more on this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius no connection to REST API

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/9/21 8:56 AM, Richard Rosner wrote: > Mark Sapiro wrote: > >>> The REST API is apparently not listening on the host/port this is trying >> to connest to. > > Apparently. The question is why. You are in a better position to answer that than am I. What does `sudo netstat -lntp` show? What does `ps -fwwa|grep rest` show? >>> What is executing the manage.py command to start Django. Is it user list? > > Probably. It depends on who is calling it. I understand too little of the new architecture. But mailman3.service is run as list, mailman3-web.service as root. mailman3-web.service must also run as list. >>> I don't use uwsgi and know little about it so I don't know what the Unix >> domain socket /run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock connection is for, but this >> appears to be some miscunfiguration between apache and uwsgi. >> Normally, in an apache/uwsgi configuration, apache proxies to uwsgi via >> tcp port 8000 and uwsgi is configured with >> [uwsgi] >> uwsgi-socket = 0.0.0.0:8000 > > I too have no experience in the combination ow apache and uwsgi. The only other uwsgi app I'm running is on another server and running under nginx. So, what do you have in your apache config for proxying to uwsgi and what's your uwsgi configuration. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Templates

by Mark Sapiro

On 09/23/2017 06:52 AM, David Krantz wrote: > Hi. > > Ok, checking the source helped. So I answer my own question: > >> mailman shell > Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell >>>> tm = getUtility(ITemplateManager) >>>> tm.set('list:member:regular:footer','mymaillist.example.com','file:///my_absolute_path/list:member:mymaillist.example.com:footer.txt') >>>> commit() You can also put templates in the default search path $var-dir/templates/. Sitewide ones in $var-dir/templates/site/, Domain specific in $var-dir/templates/domains/ and list specific ones in $var-dir/templates/lists/. In this case $var-dir/templates/lists/mymaillist.example.com/en/list:member:regular:footer -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Newbie question 2: Rewriting issue for bounced emails

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/25/21 8:01 AM, William Oliver wrote: > > However, when I try to sent an email *to* the list from either account, > I get the following error: ... > The mail system > > <"lmtp:[mail.libertyfp.org]:8024"@libertyfp.org> (expanded from > <fplist(a)libertyfp.org>): unknown user: > "lmtp:[mail.libertyfp.org]:8024@libertyfp.org" ... > virtual_alias_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp This is the issue. See https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h… for information on configuring Postfix with mailing lists in a virtual domain. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Multiple domain problem

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/9/23 13:21, Lars Bjørndal wrote: > > I have lists on two domains, example1.com and example2.com. The mail > interface works perfectly. However, connecting a browser to > example1.com, I get the title List index - example1.com, and the web > interface seems to work fine. > > If I connect to example2.com, the title is example2.com, without the > preceding List index. And the body says Page not found. What's in the browser's address bar for that page? What's in Postorius domains view? What's in the Django admin sites view. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: 're' problem is sending messages to queue/shunt for an entire domain

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/14/24 10:28 AM, Greg Newby via Mailman-users wrote: > It looks like there was a problem in one or more of the legacy banned > emails. > > I deleted all entries in the 'ban' table via PostgreSQL's CLI, and the logs > no longer show the error. Yes, the issue was an invalid regexp in the ban list. > multiple repeat at position 11 Some entry beginning with `^` had something like `**`, `+*`, etc. at position 11. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: custom css?

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/8/25 08:28, Jamie McClelland via Mailman-users wrote: > > But... your suggestion led me to /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py and this > setting: > > COMPRESS_OFFLINE = True > > Which led me to run: > > mailman-web compress > > which resolved a number of CSS problems. Thank you! > > However, my archive page still doesn't look quite like the one on > lists.mailman3.org. There are several issues and merged fixes about missing styling, which are probably not in even the latest Debian packages. See, e.g., https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/merge_requests/?sort=created_d… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 month

[MM3-users] Re: lmtp runner not starting

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/1/23 12:00, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: > > El 1/4/23 a las 20:44, Mark Sapiro escribió: >> ... >> lmtp runner did not start because at some point it had died and >> restarting Mailman won't restart a runner that died and was marked to >> not restart. >> >> You need to stop Mailman and make sure when mailman is stopped that >> there are no files in mailman's var/locks/ directory (remove any that >> are there) and then start Mailman and lmtp runner should start. >> > I stopped mailman and removed all that was in there (there were many > locked registers). Restarted mailman, and it shows the same error that > in my previous mail. > > Now there is two new locked files, one (master.lck) which its content is > the name of the other file. And the second one has the same content: > > master.lck|www.proteccion-civil.eu|9389|7022761192045613065 Those are the master lock that prevents Mailman core from starting when it is running. They should not be removed unless Mailman core is stopped. > will try deleting the content of var/locks and restarting the server If you had completely stopped Mailman core and then started it, lmtp runner should have started. What are the complete log messages from mailman.log following the start? What does `mailman conf -s runner.lmtp` show? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: sass error

by Mark Sapiro

On 04/19/2018 02:41 AM, Alexander Klotz wrote: > Hi everybody, > > we tried to make a fresh installation out of the current version > following the readme.md - we encounter the following error trying to do > so. As mentioned elsewhere, 'sass' has been replaced by 'sassc', > however, maybe somewhere there is still a reference to it that may have > been overlooked? The answer to a similar error posted to this list in > August 2017 unfortunately didn't help either. What do you have in your Django settings for COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS? Do you actually have sass or sassc installed? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Walk-thru for Ubuntu Bionic Mailman 3 Full setup

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/12/19 9:53 AM, Michael Sage wrote: >> This seems like something I've seen reported before, but I can't find it now. > >> Is anything logged in the various Mailman, Django, Apache logs? > > Nothing at the time in the Mailman, Mailman web or apache (error or access) logs, I can't find any Django logs I am afraid. I only have standard logging, happy to turn any debugging logging that you think might help The Django log is most likely the one named mailman_web. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: List archives Recent Posts problem

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/18/20 9:01 AM, Mark Dadgar wrote: > In the last day or so, hitting the Recent page in my list archives results in a spinner and an error message: > > Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/list/trackjunkies(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:mailman3/hyperkitty/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net>/recent-threads > > AttributeError at /hyperkitty/list/trackjunkies(a)pdc-racing.net <mailto:hyperkitty/list/trackjunkies@pdc-racing.net>/recent-threads > 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'subject' Is this still an issue? If so, see the entire thread at <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…> for a possible solution. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Issue with send mail to my domain in mailman3

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/11/22 23:55, Paul Ssekamatte via Mailman-users wrote: > the mta configurations are as follows: > > [mta] > verp_confirmations: yes > verp_personalized_deliveries: yes > verp_delivery_interval: 1 > > incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP > outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver > lmtp_host: mail.tld > lmtp_port: 8024 > smtp_host: mail.tld > smtp_port: 25 Your issue is with Postfix. We are not Postfix experts, but to help we'd need to see all the Postfix mail.log messages relating to the failed delivery an also at least the output of `postconf -n`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cron Error: <mailman@gw> /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin runjobs monthly

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/2/23 04:26, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > Okay. This is a bit off from my understanding. > > What is the cause and how do I mitigate it? The cause is the monthly hyperkitty update_and_clean_index job runs for a long time, i.e. hours, because it is rebuilding the entire search index so during the time it's running multiple hourly hyperkitty update_index jobs are started and they are competing for the same lock. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/example_project/setting… for mitigation. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: SSL error while connecting to hyperkitty

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/28/23 20:50, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 4:56 AM Mark Labeste <marqueejen13(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Do you have new link for this >> http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html#setting-up-a-wsgi-server >> currently not accessible. >> > > https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#setting-up-a-wsgi-s… Where did you find the link to <http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html#setting-up-a-wsgi-server>? If it's somewhere in our docs or wiki, I want to fix it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: Enable Notifications on Mailman3 Threads

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/14/23 11:15, jdamos(a)iu12.org wrote: > In my environment, I am trying to enable notifications on a thread just like this one. When someone responds, I want the list to get a notification and or the person that is getting responded to. I don't understand. I am responding to your post. My response should go to you and all the other list members with delivery enabled. What are you asking for beyond that. If someone responds off list to you, Mailman never sees that response so there's nothing Mailman can do about it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: When QQ email sends emails to the Mailman service set up by oneself, members of the list who use QQ email cannot receive the emails, and it shows that the emails are rejected.

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/10/24 20:28, rqchen(a)cnic.cn wrote: > DMARC mitigations => replace from: with list address . qq email is ok. but I want to keep the sender's email. What is the reason in the rejection notice when mails are rejected? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating from old V2 server to new V3 server. Questions.

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/30/24 14:34, jkoral(a)luc.edu wrote: > Mark, thank you for the quick reply. We will most likely need to migrate the lists over a period of time. So the DNS cannot be changed at the moment. Both servers have different FQDNs. Any suggestions on what we can do? If lists on the old and new servers have the same posting address domain you have to configure the incoming MTA on the old (MM 2.1) server to relay mail for the migrated lists to the new server. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Is logging.subscribe working in /etc/mailman.cfg?

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/19/19 6:39 PM, Alan So wrote: > I just tested it and observe that, > > 1) If the member send the request to list-leave(a)example.com, the user can confirm and the request is then moderated. The held request is also logged as expected and a notification is also sent to the owner or moderator. However, the owner cannot fulfill his/her request like those under "Subscription requests" in Postorius. The owner have to remove the address manually as a workaround. This is now reported at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/332> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: locked files problem after reboot

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/19/20 1:53 PM, kelly.close(a)lrewater.com wrote: > I'm running into a "stale master lock" error when mailman is trying to start, in this case from an image I created of a working setup. The server was off when I made the image. I've tried running mailman start with the --force option and it times out. Any thoughts on how I can clear this lock manually? I'm testing failure/restore scenarios so I'd like to know that I can bring my system back from an imaged backup. Just remove var/locks/master.lck* -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman_web'

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/31/23 13:14, gordon(a)dickens.com wrote: > I have had mailman3 working great on Debian 11, however, I just upgraded to Debian 12 and, following the upgrade, mailman3 is not working and I am getting the following error message: > > ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman_web' > > Does anybody have any recommendations? How was Mailman installed. Is this the Debian package or installed via https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html or installed some other way? If this is the Debian package, you could ask Debian for help. See https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344 . -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Recently active discussions - Hyperkitty

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/31/24 12:22, Sam Darwin wrote: > > Nothing there. That means if I direct users to visit the site, the page, it appears empty. That's too bad. :-) It should display recent emails. > > What would affect this feature during an archive import? Is it a problem with the import script itself, or with a scheduled cron job, or something else? Would you expect "Recently active discussions" be empty when very recent archives do exist? It's based on the Date: headers of the messages. Are there messages with Date: headers in the last month? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Removing a moderator via the REST API

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/14/24 13:44, Andy Matthews wrote: > > However it doesn't appear that you can remove a person as moderator via the API, per a comment made by Mark on 8/12/24 in this thread: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… I'm not sure what I said there to make you think that, but first you have to be able to do this via the API because Postorius does it via mailmanclient which uses the API. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailmanclient/-/blob/master/src/mailmanclient/re… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Upgrading other python packages than the mailman ones in a venv results in dependency conflicts

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/16/24 03:03, Andreas Vetter wrote: > > OK. So what about --upgrade-strategy eager: > > pip install -U --upgrade-strategy eager mailman postorius django-mailman3 > hyperkitty mailman-web > > Is that allowed/supported? Yes it is recommended if you want to upgrade dependencies and if you have a recent version of pip. Older versions of pip don't support that option but their default behavior is the same as newer versions with --upgrade-strategy eager. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

11 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Moderator e-mails only going out once a day

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/26/25 12:52 AM, jkoral(a)luc.edu wrote: > Mark, thank you for your reply. I did not mention it, but that is already set and we are still having an issue. Is there anything in the setting I can check? Also, I changed the name of the e-mail in the settings and restarted the mailman3 service. Does anything else need to be restarted? Assuming admin_immed_notify is True (Postorius Admin immed notify is Yes), the notice should be sent. Check Mailman's mailman.log and your MTA logs for clues. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Execute assorted Mailman functions via Mailman shell terminal

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/14/25 14:13, Andy Matthews wrote: > > [pprint(member) for member in mylist.nonmembers.members] > [pprint(member) for member in mylist.owners.members] > [pprint(member) for member in mylist.moderators.members] > [pprint(member) for member in mylist.administrators.members] This is redundant. The administrators roster is just the union of the owners and moderators rosters. > [pprint(member) for member in mylist.members.members] Also, [pprint(member) for member in ...] and [print(member) for member in ...] are equivalent as both pprint(member) and print(member) just print the repr() of the member object. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: After server upgrade debian 11→12 and reinstalling everything in (venv), I got this error when accessing → mailman3/lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/16/25 7:53 PM, Wikinaut wrote: > there is no new ~/mm/var/logs/mailman.log file. I gzip-ed the old one and triggered the bug again. Your original error says that mailmanclient sent a request to mailman core's REST API and received a 500 response. Mailman core should log the error that produces the 500 response. If it doesn't, perhaps there is some permissions issue preventing writing the log. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Simplified installation instructions

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/7/19 4:26 PM, Frank Yappa wrote: > I've looked at installing Mailman3 many times but have never succeeded - > there simply too many instructions. > > Is there a simple guide to get just web front end to Mailman3 where you can > import an existing mailing list simply for viewing? Have you seen <https://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/install.html>? > Which is the easiest system to install Mailman3 on? I have a Debian system > and would be grateful for any pointers showing how to install it . There are Debian packages. See <https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mailman3> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman rewrite the Cc header incorrectly

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/27/20 2:35 AM, Alan So wrote: > > I tried to read RFC5322 again but I am not sure whether I interpret it correctly. The display-name seem allowing folding in the middle. > > 3.2.4 > quoted-string = [CFWS] > DQUOTE *([FWS] qcontent) [FWS] DQUOTE > [CFWS] > > A quoted-string is treated as a unit. That is, quoted-string is > identical to atom, semantically. Since a quoted-string is allowed to > contain FWS, folding is permitted. ... You are correct. I missed that, so the messages created by Outlook are not defective. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Adding list via web form

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/2/22 15:25, fstltna--- via Mailman-users wrote: > Trying to add a list using the web form but I get this: "Error: You are not authorized to create new mailing lists". Do I need to log in somewhere? I thought I was logged in as admin but maybe not? You need to be logged in as a Django superuser. See the Django admin command createsuperuser. Although if you are not logged in as a superuser, the Create New List button should not appear on the index page. Did you go to https://example.com/mailman3/lists/new/ directly? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Apache+mod_wsgi issue

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/22/22 03:49, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > My challenge now is to get Apache+mod_uwsgi to serve my pages, I assume that's a typo. I.e, mod_wsgi, not mod_uwsgi. > but I am > hitting the error below which has gotten me stuck. > Thanking you in advance for your advice on how to overcome this. > ...> [Thu Dec 22 14:21:23.041064 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 4288] [remote > 197.232.81.246:15107] ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'settings' Django can't import your settings.py. Is the directory that contains it in your Python path and does that directory contain (an empty) __init__.py? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailing list name with capital letters?

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/26/23 12:00, Mark London wrote: > I guess this is not possible? If you mean create a list with upper case in it's list_id or list posting address, you are correct, but since in your OP you said "Right now, only the first letter can be capitalized." you must be talking about the list's display name. That can be set in Postorius at Settings -> List Identity per my reply at <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…>. It can also be set via REST or mailman shell. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: install v3.3.11

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/14/25 08:50, Jose Bernal via Mailman-users wrote: > I'd like to install Mailman v3.3.11. Are there instructions for installing > from pip? If not, is there an alternate way to install this latest > version? When executing: > > pip install mailman==3.3.11 > > I get: ERROR: No matching distribution found for mailman==3.3.11 3.3.11 is still in development and hasn't yet been released to PyPI so if you want to install it in its current state, you have to install from GitLab. pip install git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman@master will install the head of the master branch in GitLab. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Disable automatic bouncing globally?

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/27/25 19:13, jkoral(a)luc.edu wrote: > Is there a way to disabled the automatic bouncing globally on all lists or do I have to do that on each individual list? There is no global setting, but you could use mailman shell to turn it off for all lists. E.g.: ``` $ mailman shell Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. >>> for mlist in getUtility(IListManager): ... mlist.process_bounces = False ... >>> commit() ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 month, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot issue commands through email

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/8/25 12:39, Ken G. wrote: > > <double_empathy-join(a)thedagora.social>: host > mail.thedagora.social[172.238.182.104] said: 550 5.1.1 > <double_empathy-join(a)thedagora.social>: Recipient address rejected: > User > unknown in virtual mailbox table (in reply to RCPT TO command) ... > virtual_mailbox_domains = > mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-mailbox-domains.cf > virtual_mailbox_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-mailbox-maps.cf > virtual_transport = lmtp:unix:private/dovecot-lmtp This is the problem. Your domain is a virtual_mailbox_domain. You need to configure an alias_domain for your list domain and configure Postfix per https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Adding a domsin

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/13/20 1:33 PM, Allan Hansen wrote: > > It’s mostly working but the Postorius page and the ‘noreply’ emails still sport the old domain name. I hav looked at all the py and cfg files where the old name appeared, and they no longer hold the old name. My coadmin now tells me that the database has a table with the old name. Any suggestion as to whether that can cause the issue and if it’s safe to change the table. Look in Mailman's var/templates/directory. I suspect you have a site/en/ subdirectory with templates containing the old name. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: I have issue where it does not send emails on to people in the list I create.

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/30/20 12:35 PM, john_warland(a)hotmail.com wrote: > Hi, thanks for your reply. > > root is not a member of the list but I made it the mailman-suite superuser that you have to set up using the command: > sudo python3 manage.py createsuperuser You are running in development mode so all mail goes to the site admin. > /etc/mailman.cfg > > [devmode] > enabled: yes > recipient: root(a)sandbox.mytest.com -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: LTMP to Postfix problem

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/18/20 1:23 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > > Let me describe the problem a little better. Mail delivery from postfix > to mailman works most of the time. However in the past week or so, lmtp > starts refusing connections via postfix about once a day. I have port > 8024 open in the firewall (UFW). There are no errors in the smtp.log > file. I think restarting Mailman core seems to get things running again. When this happens is the LMTP runner still running or has it died?. Is there anything relevant in mailman.log regarding lmtp runner? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Language Support In Templates

by Mark Sapiro

Mark Sapiro wrote: > > This is a bug in Postorius. I just reported it at > https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/465. I have deleted that bug report as it appears the language attribute in the postorius_emailtemplate table is unused anyway. Notices built from templates are sent by core in the appropriate charset, that of the list's preferred language for admin notices and the either the user's or the list's preferred language for user notices. (Un)sibscribe confirmations are sent in the list's preferred language. In Brian's case the (default) charset for Greek is UTF-8, so if the template was encoded as UTF-8 and the list's preferred language was Greek, it should not have been garbled.

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: How To Install Mailman 3 on Debian 10 (Complete Guide)

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/14/21 10:35 AM, Andreas Barth wrote: > > As always, packages in Debian stable are not as new as the latest git > checkout. Or even the latest stable releases from PyPI installed with pip which is what Brian's guide covers. Mailman 3 is relatively new and still evolving. Even the latest packages in Debian sid, not to mention buster, are in some cases behind the PyPI releases. The packages from Debian buster are considered 'stable' but have issues which are fixed in the current PyPI releases. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 reinstall fail, need some help

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/14/22 08:12, Yvan ♞ wrote: > Maybe an idea of my problem as I have pgadmin app installed, it could be > in conflict to create a postgresql db? Your original dbug logs seem to show no issue with postgresql. I don't think people on this list can be much help for installing the Debian package on YunoHost. As I said earlier, I would go first to YunoHost for help and then to Debian if necessary. If you want help from us, I recommend installing as documented at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 not working for mailman21 lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/24/22 9:25 AM, Diana von Bidder wrote: > > I have several entries in /var/lib/mailman3/queue/shunt/ with Aug 21 > timestamps, and several entries in /var/lib/mailman3/queue/shunt/ with > current timestamp (i.e. everytime I ls -l there is a new timestamp with > the current time). For each of the /var/lib/mailman3/queue/shunt/ entries there should be a corresponding log entry in mailman.log (guessing /var/log/mailman3/mailman.log) with the same timestamp logging the exception and traceback and a `SHUNTING` message. These exceptions and tracebacks will indicate what's happening. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: What's the difference between (purpose of) reject and ignore

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/25/22 13:22, denis.bitouze(a)univ-littoral.fr wrote: > Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> They seem so to me, but in any case, if you look at Postorius -> >> Settings -> Message Acceptance -> Default action to take when a >> (non-)member posts to the list, they are described there in much more >> detail. > > OK: not easy to figure out. A tooltip on the corresponding buttons would > be helpful. Agreed. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/551 >>> BTW, no clue about an automatic banishment of emails from discarded >>> messages? >> >> In the pop-up dialog from clicking the subject of a held post you can >> set the sender's moderation status when discarding the post. > > Sorry but I can only see: > > - “--- Set member moderation ---” (non selectable, I guess) > - “Hold for moderation” > - “Reject (with notification)” > - “Discard (no notification)” > - “Accept immediately (bypass other rules)” > - “Default processing” > > and cannot see how I can at the same time “Discard (no notification)” > and “Banish the email of the post's sender”. If you select “Discard (no notification)” from that dropdown and then click Discard, the current message will be discarded and future messages from that sender will be automatically discarded. Is that not what you want? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: django-mailman3 update causing errors

by Mark Sapiro

On 05/02/2018 07:12 AM, Darren Smith wrote: > So we have pulled all fresh versions of these projects from gitlab as of > last Friday: > > postorius > hyperkitty > django-mailman3 > mailmanclient > > Django is version 1.11 > > When we installed, each of these were placed in a conda virtual > environment. Postorius, Hyperkitty, and django-mailman3 are all still under > a python 2.7 environment. Is that our problem here? Do they need to be in > python 3 now? Yes, that is exactly the issue. The current GitLab branches all require Python >= 3.5 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Weekend releases

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/10/19 2:58 AM, Paul Arenson wrote: > Thank you. The setup I am using now has Hyperkitty 1.3.0 and I just wanted to confirm. Somewhere I thought I read there is a facility in the Hyperkitty archive interface to format text. Probably I misunderstood, but if there is such a facility, I am not seeing it. Maybe I am looking for something like Tiny Ice and thus can't find it. Markdown rendering of message bodies in Hyperkitty is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/merge_requests/160>. This is installed on <https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/> and <https://mail.python.org/mailman3> but is not yet released. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: I don't get my posts with Gmail

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/18/20 3:35 AM, Massimo Zappalà wrote: > Thanks Stephen for your reply, > I tried creating the filter on GMail as described in Mark's suggested Wiki > > https://wiki.list.org/DOC/I%20don%27t%20get%20my%20own%20posts > > and it worked. Did you read the note at the bottom of that article? Are you sure the message in your inbox is actually the message received from the list with the added headers and perhaps subject prefix and list footer, or is it just a copy of the message as you sent it? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: SpamAssassin header confusion

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/8/21 3:18 PM, skenny(a)scss.tcd.ie wrote: > > On the face of it, it looks like Mailman has removed the X-Spam-* headers. If that's so, I don't understand why. I would be very grateful if anyone could help me figure out what is going on here. This should not be the case. Mailman removes some headers from posts to anonymous lists, but not X-Spam- headers even there. Are you sure you are looking at the raw message headers and not some MUAs rendition of them? I can think of no reason why Mailman would remove those headers. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Filtering signed mails

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/12/21 5:38 AM, Rainer Herbst wrote: > > today I recived a user complain that his messages were rejected with error > "The message's content type was not explicitly allowed" For a message to be rejected with that reason, the messages top level content type must not be allowed. I.e. the list's Pass types is not empty and doesn't pass this message's content type. I'm guessing the message is multipart/signed and that's not allowed. Generally, you want to include 'multipart' in pass types to accept all multipart/* types and filter the sub-parts. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: mailman-full question

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/25/22 05:44, flatley wrote: > - to configure the db in venv i would use mailman-web migrate - this > works fine - but mailman-full install does not seem to include mailman-web > or mailman3-web - the mailman info cmd works fine - do i need to > also install mailman-web? i had thought the mailman-full included all > components I'm not sure what it's called in the Debian/Ubuntu mailman-full package, but the `mailman-web` command installed by `pip install mailman-web` is the Django admin command, possibly called `django-admin` or `manage.py` in the mailman-full package. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: (venv) mailman-web migrate (as explained) fails with "django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware must be added to settings.MIDDLEWARE"

by Mark Sapiro

On October 19, 2023 11:54:03 PM PDT, Wikinaut <mail(a)tgries.de> wrote: >The lines are missing in your block here: > >https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#initial-configurati… Those lines are in mailman_web/settings/mailman.py which should be imported in settings.py. I don't know what your original issue was, but adding those lines to settings.py shouldn't make any difference as long as settings.py contains from mailman_web.settings.mailman import * -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Caching problem with templates

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/28/25 22:05, Mark wrote: > > Setting the cache_life to a zero value only writes the expiry date as > "now". The cached file is still there. And it doesn't appear to be > getting overwritten (as expected) when the template is edited. The template caching occurs on retrieval. Editing the template in Postorius does not change the URI in the template table, so a subsequent retrieval still gets the old cached value. The task runner will delete the expired template the next time it runs but with default settings that's up to an hour later. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Internal Server Error: /mailman3/postorius/lists/.../held_messages - humanize: where to put?

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/25/25 15:07, Flo via Mailman-users wrote: > > In /usr/share/mailman3-web/settings.py there is: > > INSTALLED_APPS = ( > ... > 'django.contrib.humanize', > ... > ) Then I don't understand why you are getting the error. django.contrib.humanize is required because it is referenced by django-allauth in templates here https://codeberg.org/allauth/django-allauth/src/commit/5baeee79b2915dbb881d… and here https://codeberg.org/allauth/django-allauth/src/commit/5baeee79b2915dbb881d… If django.contrib.humanize is loaded, those references should be satisfied. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Internal Server Error: /mailman3/accounts/fedora/login/

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/19/25 6:28 AM, Bernie Hoeneisen wrote: > Addendum: > > In my case the URL triggering the Error `https://<your_site_url>/mailman3/accounts/fedora/login/?process=login&next=%2Fmailman3%2Faccounts%2Fsignup%2F` is returned by: > > - `https://<your_site_url>/mailman3/accounts/signup/?next=%2Fmailman3%2Faccounts%2Fsignup%2F` I think this issue is caused by fedora dropping support for OpenID and moving to OpenIDConnect. This is https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/issues/83 which is partially fixed by https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/merge_requests/262/ but also requires configuration changes as discussed in the `Migration from Fedora OpenID backend` section of https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/blob/master/README.rst -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 weeks, 2 days

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 templates

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/16/23 11:14, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 9:32 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >> >> I don't know why? What's the content of the template table in the database? >> ``` >> SELECT * FROM template; >> ``` >> > > root@localhost [mailmansuite]> SELECT * FROM template; > Empty set (0.03 sec) Well, that eliminates one possibility. I still don't know why. Mailman should be using all the list: templates from /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/kictanet.lists.kictanet.or.ke/en/ for messages from the kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke where the target language is English. Is the list's preferred language English and is the recipient's preferred language English? >> That's just wasting space. If you're putting the exact same templates in >> site/, domains/ and lists/, you might just as well delete the ones in >> domains/ and lists/ and Mailman will use the ones from site/. >> > > Well, space is cheap these days. More importantly, it could lead you to edit a template that isn't used because one of the other places is searched first. I would like to figure out what the issue is, but I don't know how to proceed. Have you checked /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/mailman.log for anything relevant? If all else fails and we can't figure this out, you could always set the template(s) in Postorius. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Mark Sapiro

On 07/25/2017 01:19 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: > What should I do to tell Postfix to use my domain?? for example send emails > using the email account mailing(a)labbrands.com If what you're asking is how to configure Postfix to relay all outbound mail via some other email server, that is a Postfix configuration question. If I thought I could give you a simple answer and that would be the end of it, I'd try, but in your case every answer leads to another question, so I suggest you start here to learn about configuring Postfix <http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Missing mailman archives?

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/12/20 11:37 AM, Marco Marinello wrote: > Thank you, Mark, it worked. Hyperkitty is now successfully archiving. > I submitted https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/merge_requests/276 to better document this dependency. Maybe it could just be added to Mailman's requirements.txt. OK. > I tried to import the missing mails, unsuccessfully. I saved the .eml files from Thunderbird and then did > cat * >> ../missing.mbox This will not make a .mbox because the 'From ' message separators will be missing. Each message has to have an initial line of the form From user(a)example.com Ddd Mmm dd hh:mm:ss yyyy -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: messages go to shunt queue

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/10/20 6:43 AM, Danil Smirnov wrote: > Hi guys, > > I've faced weird Core behaviour after the last upgrade of the docker > images. All the messages sent to a list now go straight to shunt queue with > the following error in the logs: > > --- > Sep 06 22:41:32 2020 (27) Traceback (most recent call last): ... > File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/rules/dmarc.py", line 217, > in is_reject_or_quarantine > for record in txt_rec.items[0].strings) > KeyError: 0 > Sep 06 22:41:32 2020 (27) SHUNTING: > 1599432092.4326646+4cbb58a0dd5d9705946ca583835e63ec175536e3 See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/743>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Member Issue Discovered

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/28/20 11:11 AM, Apollinaris Schöll wrote: > > Most important is to offer an UI to completely delete users for subscribers and list admins. Currently delete account shows this message "Are you sure you want to delete your account? This will remove your account along with all your subscriptions.” > This is not true and needs to be done. Why do you think it's not true? With current Mailman from the HEADs of the GitLab branches, the only thing not removed is posts from the archives. The Django account and the Mailman core user and address records are all removed. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3-web and the django middleware problem

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/25/24 12:34, Thomas Stein wrote: > > I'm not sure how to add that to my django settings. Adding: > > x = list(MIDDLEWARE) > x.insert(0, 'allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware') > MIDDLEWARE = x > > did not help. Any hints? I don't know how things are arranged in the Debian/Ubuntu package, but you may have a settings.py which at the end does something like ``` try: from settings_local import * except ImportError: pass ``` If that is the case, adding the above snippet to the end of settings_local.py should work. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty threads by month question

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/9/24 11:07 AM, Bryan Fields wrote: > I have installed a testing server for an organization I'm working with > to explore migration from MM2 to MM3. Our main list has archives from > 1992, and when importing the mbox into hyperkitty/mm3 I notice the > archives by month only go back to July 2007, but the messages are there > when I search for specific ones from the old archive in the 1992-2007 > range. See this post and maybe more of that thread which may help. https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Required permissions for mass operations

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/15/24 03:12, mailman3(a)werner.by wrote: > > To give them the moderation permission is quite easy: I add the users to the moderators of the lists. But for the user management I've to add the users to the list owners and then is there no restriction anymore to change the full list configuration. What can I do? I link to a documentation for this would help as well, but I found nothing. There is no role that allows a user to do exactly what you want. Implementation of such a role would be a significant effort. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM2 to MM3 Archives Loading

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/21/24 13:16, Joshua Bushe wrote: > > I’ve successfully converted a list from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3, and most things are working smoothly. However, I’m encountering an issue with the archives in the GUI: > > Problem: The archives don’t load on the overview page. > Odd Behavior: If I use the search function, the archives appear as expected, but they remain invisible on the main overview. > Has anyone encountered this issue or have suggestions for troubleshooting? Are either of the Hide inactive or Hide private boxes checked? Is there anything relevant in Django's logs? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Source Installation Assistance

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/31/19 1:11 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > > My first question is where is the best place to get assistance or ask questions regarding the installation process? I am not sure if mailman-users is that place anymore. Either this list or mailman-developers(a)python.org. Also see <https://wiki.list.org/x/17891998> documenting some of my installation decisions, although it doesn't cover my dropping Whoosh in favor of ElasticSearch. Whoosh is painfully slow at indexing large archives. ElasticSearch is a lot better, but Xapian may be better still. See the thread at <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Adding members to a mailman3 mailing list

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/14/20 8:45 AM, Onyeibo Oku wrote: > > This question inspired me to run mailman3 directly. It worked! > However, I had to execute mailman3 from: > /usr/libexec/mailman3/mailman > > rather than: > /usr/bin/mailman3 (or just, ... mailman3). > > What is the recommended way to run mailman3 please? This is a Fedora Packaging question. I don't have an answer for that. In my case, the `mailman` command I run invokes a bash file that looks like #!/bin/bash exec /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/mailman \ -C "/opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg" \ $@ -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Current status and issue deleting Archives in Mailman3

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/2/21 11:59 AM, Seth Seeger wrote: > > >> On Nov 2, 2021, at 2:50 PM, bob B <bader(a)cchmc.org> wrote: >> >> >> $ docker exec -it mailman-web /bin/bash > > I always use "-u mailman" to keep file permissions correct: > > docker exec -it -u mailman mailman-web bash > > That may or may not be your problem, but it might keep you from having permission issues down the road. That is excellent advice. Always run Mailman and Django commands as the Mailman user. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: FW: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /archives/

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/6/21 8:20 AM, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-users wrote: > What is causing this error please? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: noreply(a)lists.ccalternatives.org <noreply(a)lists.ccalternatives.org> > Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 10:46 PM > To: > Subject: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /archives/ > > Internal Server Error: /archives/ > > Report at /archives/ > Internal Server Error: /archives/ > > Request Method: GET > Request URL: https://lists.ccalternatives.org/archives/?sort=active%22'! ... > GET: > sort = 'active"\'!' The invalid sort= query fragment -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: No module named 'mailman3hyperkitty'

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/16/22 10:24 AM, Axel Rau wrote: > Still trying to setup my 1st list. > mailman-hyperkitty 1.2.0 is installed. > > Axel > > PS: Backtrace > ... > File "/usr/local/py_venv/mailman_33/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/model/mailinglist.py", line 616, in __init__ > for archiver in config.archivers: > File "/usr/local/py_venv/mailman_33/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 280, in archivers > archiver = call_name(class_path) ... > ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman3hyperkitty' This comes from mailman.cfg from the class: definition in the [archiver.hyperkitty] section you probable have something like class: mailman3hyperkitty.Archiver instead of class: mailman_hyperkitty.Archiver -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Multiple domain problem

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/13/23 02:05, Lars Bjørndal wrote: > > I've now followed the documentation for configuring Apache here: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#apache-configur…. I want both domains to start mailman3 when contacting example1.com/mailman3 and example2.com/mailman3. I have the sam configuration in both virtualhost section in Apache. For example1.com/mailman3, it works perfectly. For example2.com/mailman3 however, the browser (elinks), reports Host not found: example2.commailman3 e.g. without a slash after the domain name. What could cause this to happen? Something wrong in the web server configuration. I can't begin to guess what without seeing it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Read-Mostly list?

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/10/23 11:02, Stephen Daniel wrote: > I wish to have a list that anyone can read. A few designated people can > post without moderation, and all other users are moderated. > > Is this possible? I don't see a way in the list settings to create users > who are not moderated when the default action is to moderate. Once the user is added as a list member, the list owner or site admin can go to that members settings for the list (click on the user in the members list) and set the user's Moderation to Default Processing. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Sign and encrypt e-mail responses

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/2/24 11:51 PM, Markus Grandpré wrote: > Dear List, > > is it possible to sign and encrypt all e-mail responses from the > Mailman3 server with a digital certificate? Not without significant code changes. Signing alone should not be difficult. Encryption is more difficult if the recipients are going to be able to read the encrypted mail without access to the server's private key. This would require mail to be personalized, which digests currently aren't, and encrypted with the recipient's public key which requires the server to have all those keys. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: xapian db corruption - xapian.DatabaseCorruptError: Couldn't read enough (EOF) ??

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/29/24 03:27, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > Today, my hourly cron job has generated an error and continues to do so > every hour: > > ``` > Subject: Cron <mailman@gw> /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin runjobs hourly > ``` > > Not sure what caused this. Perhaps a reboot when the cronjob hadn't > completed? And a possible manual remedy would be to wipe the indexed db and > let the cron run again? Or maybe just run `/opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin rebuild_index` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: FW: You have been invited to join the ssan@lists.ccalternatives.org mailing list.

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/9/25 07:07, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > The template is named list:user:action:invite. You can create it either > from Postorius or on the filesystem at > /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/LISTNAME/en/list:user:action:invite.txt Given the age of the OP's system (see https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…) I suspect it's a Debian/Ubuntu package or perhaps another package and it's unlikely that Mailman's var/ directory is /opt/mailman/mm/var/ -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty import from mailman2

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/24/2017 12:30 PM, Sten Aus wrote: > > But how did you manage to import all the lists and members from Mailman2 > to Mailman3? As I understand Mailman3 does not "support" (by manual) > import right now? Mailman's 'bin/mailman import21' is the tool for this. It has a few issues. It doesn't import DMARC mitigation settings and I've seen one case out of several where it failed to import the list membership. I also once saw and reported <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/270>, but I've imported several lists subsequently without seeing that issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman 3 Keeps Forgettings Imported Lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 07/31/2018 07:04 AM, Ryan McClung wrote: > Scratch that. Ran with the corrected script and getting the following: > [root@mailman3(stg) archives]# mailman lists > No matching mailing lists found > > Any thoughts? This > for DIR in $DIRS; do mailman create "${DIR}"; mailman import21 "${DIR}"@afilias.info "${DIR}"/config.pck; is still wrong. The list name for mailman create needs to be fully qualified as in > for DIR in $DIRS; do mailman create ${DIR}(a)afilias.info; mailman import21 ${DIR}(a)afilias.info ${DIR}/config.pck; (Do you look at the output from your script?) -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Open List

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/13/20 12:22 PM, Samir Faci wrote: > So, > > I found a setting to allow me to create an Open List. I assume this is > still doable in MM3 though I can't find the equivalent option. > > https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2009-March/065479.html Settings -> Message Acceptance -> Default action to take when a non-member posts to the list. > 2nd question is how do I create a new List Style. I'd like Open- Archived > and Open-NonArchived to be options when creating a new list. See <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/styles/doc…>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Extract a list of the lists and the administrators who manage it

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/22/24 06:33, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > pau.baiges(a)csuc.cat writes: > > > Is there a way to extract all the lists and show the administrators > > who manage those lists? > > mailman lists > mailman members -R $ROLE $LIST > > see also "mailman lists -h" and "mailman members -h". And you can do it all with one command like ``` for list in `mailman lists |sed 1d`;do echo ">>> $list"; mailman members -R administrator $list done ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM2 to MM3 on different server. Process to move everything at once.

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/12/24 10:37, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > > Not long ago I did this for many lists on quite a few different > domains, the tools will still be the same either way, but you can > run the commands over and over in a loop. Plan thoroughly, check > carefully, log everything. One thing to be aware of when doing multiple lists is to run hyperkitty_import with the --no-sync-mailman option for all but the last run. This will save some time and computing. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: How to subscribe members without sending unsubscribe message

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/15/25 14:11, Flo via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi, > > I need to remove subscribed members without sending them an > unsubscription message. Despite of my research I haven't figured out how > to do this using the GUI. With Postorius, you can do it by first setting the list's Automatic Responses -> Send goodbye message to No, and then doing the unsubscribe. From the command line, you can use the `mailman delmembers` command which has options to control the sending of the admin notice and the goodbye message. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Configuring Web Front End

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/21/25 12:24, Dennis Putnam via Mailman-users wrote: > The next layer of the onion is configuring the web front end. > Specifically setting up Django. The documentation seems to make a lot of > assumptions about what I know about Django (which is nothing). I cannot > find anything about what 'settings.py' should look like for mailman3. It > is not even clear where it should go (/opt/mailman/var/etc?). The Django > setup documentation is of no help for mailman3. Am I missing something > in the wiki? See https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#initial-configu… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 month, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Time Zone Issue in Postorius

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/7/22 21:18, David Newman wrote: > On 2/4/22 10:29 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> The appropriate setting for Django is always `TIME_ZONE = >> 'UTC'`because the time passed from Mailman core is a naive >> datetime.datetime object and is actually UTC. > > Could use clarification on this. Are you referring to the settings.py > file, or something else? Settings.py > Asking because my settings.py currently has: > > # Django time zones > USE_TZ = True > TIME_ZONE = 'America/Los_Angeles' It should be TIME_ZONE = 'UTC' Times passed from Mailman core are naive times, I.e. they don't have time zone info, but they are in UTC. Thus for Django to get the correct time with time zone you need USE_TZ = True (without that, Django will throw an exception about naive times) and the TIME_ZONE to apply is UTC. With those settings, Django has the correct time zone aware times. > and list timestamps appear to work OK both in Hyperkitty and as received > by members' mail clients. Mail sent to list members is not at all affected by this. That involves Mailman core only. Also, time stamps on posts in HyperKitty come from Date: headers or Django internal times. Where you see this manifested is for example when looking at a held message in Postorius and seeing the hold time. which is a time stamp generated by Mailman core. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: {Spam?} Re: Installation Wooes

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/3/20 10:04 PM, Samir Faci wrote: > > # Where the LMTP server listens for connections. Use 127.0.0.1 instead of > # localhost for Postfix integration, because Postfix only consults DNS > # (e.g. not /etc/hosts). > lmtp_host: lists.domain.org > lmtp_port: 8024 Why, in spite of the comment, do you have lmtp_host: lists.domain.org and not lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 Note that lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 lmtp_port: 8024 are the defaults. > So, now it's finally working but here's a question. Does 8024 need to be > publically accessible from the outside? No. Port 8024 is only for LMTP delivery from Postfix to Mailman. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: migration plan and auto responder

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/21/20 12:02 PM, Mohsen Masoudfar wrote: > Hi, > > The short version of this question is: > > How May I setup on Mailman2 to send an auto response to the member who sent an email to the list, but do not send the original email to any list member? In the web admin UI, go to Auto-responder, set autorespond_postings to Yes and set your message in autoresponse_postings_text. You probably also want to set Privacy options... -> Sender filters -> member_moderation_action to Discard and on Membership Management... -> Membership List under Additional Member Tasks, set everyone moderated. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Service Unavailable

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/4/21 11:44 AM, dancab(a)caltech.edu wrote: > > One last question. One more question. > > I'm testing a custom footer via the template creation tool in Postorius. > > However my messages aren't being delivered when I have the template activated. > > If I delete the template then suddenly my message goes through. > > I see the out queue folder seems to have the message stuck. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/760> Remove the Postorius template and install it in the file system as in <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/760#note_521886834> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem with debian uipgrade

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/8/22 10:10, Lars Schimmer wrote: > Hi! > > Today I tried a mailman3 upgrade of the debian packages and I got this > error: > > django.db.migrations.exceptions.NodeNotFoundError: Migration > hyperkitty.0007_allauth_20160808_1604 dependencies reference nonexistent > parent node ('socialaccount', '0003_extra_data_default_dict') > > Anyone has a idea howto fix those? This is a reference to a migration in django-allauth. is django-allauth installed. If so, what version? What does the database query ``` SELECT app, name FROM django_migrations WHERE app = 'socialaccount'; ``` show. It should be ``` app | name ---------------+------------------------------ socialaccount | 0001_initial socialaccount | 0002_token_max_lengths socialaccount | 0003_extra_data_default_dict (3 rows) ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to setup mailman?

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/17/20 8:50 AM, Jacob Bargery wrote: > > Note: Using instructions and not installing from source means that a lot of people can't help you with problems you come across during install. I found people still try to help but it's much harder. I will link the options from the Mailman website, however I found them difficult to follow when I was trying. > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/install.html There is also <https://wiki.list.org/x/17891998> which details my experience in installation and configuration of Mailman from source on multiple servers including the one supporting this list. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Open Subscription Policy

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/5/20 4:52 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > I have a question regarding the use of an open subscription policy. What > is the reasoning behind such a policy? Is this something for an > organization that runs a Mailman 3 instance on a private network? > It is strongly discouraged, and yes, it really only makes sense for a Mailman instance that is not exposed on the public internet. In MM 2.1, a site has to enable open subscribes by putting ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = Yes in mm_cfg.py. Without this, list owners don't have the option. We should probably consider something similar for MM 3. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: How to store additional information about lists?

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/25/21 11:34 AM, Andreas Barth wrote: > > Re Systers, I found > https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~systers/systers/stable/files > > This is however mm2 based. Is this what everybody hinted at, or is > there also a mm3 clone I failed to find yet? What you found looks like the right thing, but it appears to not be a complete Mailman but rather just the Systers added and modified files, and yes it is based on an old Mailman 2.1. As far as I know, none of this has ever been migrated to Mailman 3. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman core: basic internationalization howto?

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/06/2017 07:34 AM, thor.rustad(a)gmail.com wrote: > I made it work, sort of, after creating the directory structure templates/site/no and put the templates inside the 'no' folder. However, I can't make it work without setting the language manually for each list first. New lists are created with English as their language, breaking the creation of welcome mail. Also, I can not add members to the lists from Postorius. I want all new lists to use utf-8 without having to use mailman shell. How can it be done? Put [mailman] default_language: no in your mailman config. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: ARC support

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/5/19 2:21 PM, Marvin Gülker wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I just stumbled over an in-progress standard called ARC. ... > > Will Mailman at some point support this new standard? There was a GSOC project for this a couple of years ago resulting in <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/merge_requests/204>, but this is still not ready. There is another MR at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/merge_requests/252> which also needs more review/updating. And, there is an open issue at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/396>. So yes, we fully expect that MM 3 will support ARC at some point, but we're not there yet. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Github auth deprecated API

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/14/20 8:11 AM, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: > The version of mailman3 I'm running apparently uses a deprecated API for > GitHub authentication. Does anyone know if this has been fixed? I > couldn't find an issue for it on the postorius issue tracker. It's not in the Postorius tracker because it's not a Postorius issue. The issue is with django-allauth in the current 0.41.0 release. It is fixed in the django-allauth GitHub repository by <https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/pull/2458> You can apply the patch from that PR to your django-allauth installation to fix this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: FYI: Django security releases issued: 4.0.6 and 3.2.14

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/8/22 8:28 AM, David Newman wrote: > > This system runs Debian 11, with everything installed in a venv. I'm > unclear on the relationship between the usual apt* tools and pip, and > just do everything Mailman-related using pip. apt will not install into a virtualenv, even if the virtualenv is active when running apt-get. It only installs system wide. Further, apt doesn't know about packages installed by pip (either system wide or in a virtualenv) and vice versa. See https://askubuntu.com/questions/581648/install-package-into-virtualenv-usin… for more. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Help! Duplicate DKIM key

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/11/25 7:06 AM, Jose Bernal via Mailman-users wrote: > > Here is the message. We've got several thousand log entries like this now: > > *554 Transaction failed: Duplicate header 'DKIM-Signature'* > Mar 10 08:31:10 mail1 postfix/smtp[217753]: 738B53F15E: to=< > brian(a)brianmichaelslaw.com>, relay=xxx.org[44.225.xxx.xx]:587, delay=37, > delays=2/35/0.16/0.13, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host said: 554 > Transaction failed: Duplicate header 'DKIM-Signature'. (in reply to end of > DATA command)) This is Amazon SES being stupid, but you can avoid this issue by setting ``` remove_dkim_headers: yes ``` in the `[mta]` section of `mailman.cfg`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 months

[MM3-users] Re: New Lists Appear in HyperKitty Archives, But No Mail Data is Shown

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/14/25 5:57 AM, Asif Muzammil via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi Mark > > but in my server there is no directory located at var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/, i can see the spool /var/maliman/spool and there is no files in it > So what should I do? I'm not certain where these are in the Debian package, but I think Debian uses the fhs layout in which case that directory is /var/lib/mailman/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ and Mailman's logs are in /var/log/mailman/. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Broken paths

by Mark Sapiro

On 07/13/2016 07:30 AM, Jean-Luc Wasmer wrote: > > Please CC me in your reply as I wasn't able to join this mailing list (I > login by email, get the login.persona.org pop-up, click sign in, the > pop-up closes... but I'm still not logged in). I've seen this issue. I haven't figured it out. Try subscribing by email. Just send a blank email to mailman-users-join(a)mailman3.org (or mailman-users-subscribe(a)mailman3.org. This should result in a confirmation request email and your reply should subscribe you. Let me know if that works? If not, I can add you. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: footer message

by Mark Sapiro

Sorry for not rep[lying sooner. This got misplaced. On 9/20/18 6:14 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: >>From lists imported by import21, the colon in the files are substituted with underscores. Instead of list:member:regular:footer.txt the file are called list_member_regular_footer.txt The latest import21 doesn't do that any more. > And I wonder why having a footer text makes the mail contain the original HTML message sent to the list as attachment both in .txt and .html and the footer-text from list_member_regular_footer.txt as inline message. See <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030707>. While aimed at Mailman 2.1, much of this is relevant to Mailman 3. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty Authorization Required

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/6/19 5:52 AM, andrew.bernard(a)gmail.com wrote: > Nearly there configuring my first Mailman 3 installation with Postorius and Hyperkiity. This issue eludes me: > > When trying to start a new thread in the archive, we have: > > HyperKitty failure on https://list.jackrail.org/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive: <html><title>Auth required</title><body> > <h1>Authorization Required</h1></body></html> (401) > > I can access this URL just fine" > > https://list.jackrail.org/hyperkitty/api/ > > Where do we look to solve this issue? You have to be logged in to post from HyperKitty. You can't post anonymously. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Trying to set up mailman3 on my mail server

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/15/21 9:32 AM, Mark Dadgar wrote: > > That’s actually why I paid someone to do in the initial install. While I have 3+ decades of UNIX-like admin experience, I am not even remotely well-versed in Python and its ecosystem and/or Docker. > > Unfortunately, the person I hired, who did a great job and has contributed mightily to this community, is no longer with us. He did however post a writeup at <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10>. There is also <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xIcSsoNFp2nHi7r4eQys00s9a0k2sHhu1V5Plan…> from another user. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman notify generating emails for request that aren't visible.

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/31/21 7:29 PM, Simon Coggins wrote: > Thats part of the issue. It looks like these are in the PendingsDB but > not showing up in the UI. Even if I go into Subscription Requests -> > Pending Approvals or Pending Confirmations no pending items are shown at > all. But in the pendingDB via mailman shell I can see 3 pending > unsubscriptions. Both of those only show subscription requests either waiting moderator approval or waiting user confirmation. You have to go to `Unsubscription Requests` to see the unsubscriptions. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman will not restart

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/8/23 12:34, peter(a)chubb.wattle.id.au wrote: >>>>>> "Christian" == Christian via Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> writes: > > Christian> , line 36, in <module> Mar 08 20:17:45 > Christian> zarathustra.ccalternatives.org mailman[31893]: from > Christian> typing_extensions import Concatenate as Concatenate # 3.10 > > You probably need to update the typing_extensions package. inside your > venv. Yes, but why? Something upgraded sqlalchemy > 2.0 but didn't install all its dependencies. The latest versions of sqlalchemy require typing-extensions but sqlalchemy<2.0 didn't require that. So in the venv, `pip install typing-extensions` will probably solve this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: emails to list missing from archive after upgrade

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/18/24 19:57, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: > > Ok, I've found them in /var/lib/mailman3/archives/hyperkitty/spool, so > it does seem like the issue is the indexer hasn't run. Not sure what > process controls that. That's not the issue. There was an exception in mailman-hyperkitty's communication with HyperKitty. You will find the errors and tracebacks in mailman.log. Once you fix the issue, whatever it is, the messages will be archived. mailman-hyperkitty retries all the messages in /var/lib/mailman3/archives/hyperkitty/spool with each new post. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating from old V2 server to new V3 server. Questions.

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/2/24 17:32, jkoral(a)luc.edu wrote: > Thank you for all your help. It seems to be attempting to forward, but I don't think the new server is receiving messages. I can send out from the server, but it is just not taking delivery. Any suggestions for what I can look at. Also, this server is behind an F5 so it has a local IP address and a Virtual IP address. The virtual IP address has the fully qualified domain name. Look at the MTA logs on both servers. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: New Lists Appear in HyperKitty Archives, But No Mail Data is Shown

by Mark Sapiro

On July 14, 2025 1:04:37 PM EDT, Asif Muzammil via Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: >Hi rON >yes i am install venv and found the path /opt/mailman/mm/archives/hyperkitty/spool/75774848.12344400409.pck >now how should i confirm that there is any data available in this file because i check in mailmanweb DB in hyperkitty_email table there is no data over there Those .pck files are messages queued for delivery to hyperkitty. They are actually retried on each new post. Once you fix the underlying issue, they will be delivered to hyperkitty. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.

4 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 Issue

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/13/18 7:53 AM, jon.kokko(a)us.fujitsu.com wrote: > Here's the log output: > > Jul 13 08:45:45 2018 (86892) REST request handler error: > Traceback (most recent call last): ... > File "/atldata/venv-3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty-1.1.1-py3.5.egg/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 81, in _load_conf > config.archiver.hyperkitty.configuration) > File "/atldata/venv-3.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/mailman/config/config.py", line 337, in external_configuration > raise MissingConfigurationFileError(path) > mailman.interfaces.configuration.MissingConfigurationFileError: changeme In your mailman.cfg file you have something like [archiver.hyperkitty] class: mailman_hyperkitty.Archiver enable: yes configuration: changeme That last line needs to point to the mailman-hyperkitty.cfg file, e.g. configuration: /path/to/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS - Best Installation Method?

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/9/20 10:26 AM, matthew(a)alberti.us wrote: > > Next I tried to use the virtualenv method, as that was recommended for production anyway by Mailman installation documentation. I couldn't get that to work either, as there is again some known issue between one of the django packages and another python package called 'six'. Actually this just came up (again) in another thread. See <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> The current stable release of Haystack is not compatible with Django >= 3.0. See the post above for work-arounds. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: ham-confirm+3ee85b006eeb5897ca6f53b093cb063672f6a784@example.com

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/17/21 2:12 AM, Jörg Klein wrote: > Here the second try. The email will be deliverd. But I can not confirm the mail. How to configure the email-address xxx-owner(a)example.com or ham-confirm+c56ac3f61561fc11239897d602956f62b3ca5670(a)example.com? This is an MTA question. What is your MTA? How does it deliver to Mailman. As I said in my reply at <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…>, you need to deliver all of LISTNAME(a)example.com LISTNAME-bounces(a)example.com LISTNAME-confirm(a)example.com LISTNAME-join(a)example.com LISTNAME-leave(a)example.com LISTNAME-owner(a)example.com LISTNAME-request(a)example.com LISTNAME-subscribe(a)example.com LISTNAME-unsubscribe(a)example.com for every list. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Disable user registration

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/20/21 6:22 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > One obvious approach is to add "^.$" to each list's ban list > (eventually that should be configurable as a list style, so "easy" to > make domainwide or sitewide), but that doesn't stop people from > creating users via Postorius. One way to address that would be to > clean out users with no subscriptions once a week or so. I think you mean "^.*$", but that won't work as being banned means you can't be added to the list by any means and you can't post. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Exception with processing subscription confirmation email

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/29/21 11:48 AM, Eric Broens wrote: > Thanks Mark, > > We are indeed running mailman core 3.3.2 and using mysql. > The data appears indeed to be truncated judging from the missing closing > curly bracket (see below). > > Would it be OK to already extend the data column to VARCHAR(510) before > upgrading to mailman core 3.3.3, or will this cause problems with upgrading > to a newer version? Yes, that's fine. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/793>, <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/730> and <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: DKIM signatures with message footers or subject prefixes

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/14/22 04:07, Stanisław Findeisen via Mailman-users wrote: > Thank you for your clarification. I am now wildcard (*) DKIM-signing the (arbitrary) From: address domain with the host domain key. However my mailing list is a virtual host (actually there are several of them), which is different than the host domain. Do you know if such a setup is harmful? Or if there is a way to select the VHOST key? This is Postfix + OpenDKIM. In your opendkim.conf set SenderHeaders List-Post,Sender,From See the MAILING LISTS section in http://www.opendkim.org/opendkim-README -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderate first postings of new members

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/3/22 04:55, c.buhtz(a)posteo.jp wrote: > > What I want is that I would like to moderate the messages of new > subscribed members until I set them to auto-accept all messages. I want > to see what a new member is posting before it is send/accepted to the list. Set "Default action to take when a member posts to the list" to "Hold for moderation" Then, in the held messages view, click the subject and in the resultant dialog, select "Default processing" from the "set member moderation" dropdown and Accept the message. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Delete Django profiles not signed up to a list

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/31/23 17:01, Allan Hansen wrote: > Mark, > > Will this be part of an upcoming update or micro update to Mailman? It might be in Mailman's contrib directory at some point, but probably not. There are many scripts at https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/ (mirrored at https://fog.ccsf.edu/~msapiro/scripts/) that people may find useful. These are mostly things that I have developed in response to mailing list questions or for my own purposes and the majority are Mailman 2.1 specific. They were never intended to be part of a release. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: REST API http://.../3.1/users/../preferred_address returns 404 for GET and POST

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/13/23 05:07, Eric Vyncke wrote: > > /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log of course has an exception about this 404 result code. > > Using the MM3 shell, the preferred_address can be displayed and even modified. There are also good values in the MySQL database. Other API endpoints for users work fine (preferences, addresses, ...) In Mailman shell, have you done >>> um = getUtility(IUserManager) >>> usr = um.get_user_by_id('d5...94') >>> usr.preferred_address Where 'd5...94' is the full uuid from the mailman.log entries? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman 3 Privacy Policies, GDPR, etc and social logins

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/19/23 6:22 AM, Jered Floyd wrote: > > This is a bit of a headache. Do we have a draft of a community Privacy Policy for a vanilla Mailman 3 install that meets Facebook's requirements? Is this going to be a constantly unraveling thread of future GDPR and Right to Be Forgotten troubles, since there doesn't seem to be an easy way to scrub a subscriber from Hyperkitty archives if they request so? How have others addressed this situation? I use https://www.list.org/privacy.html which appears to satisfy Facebook. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Question: as Admin, I disabled the self-registration via settings.py. What is the correct method to register a few new users now?

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/1/25 12:27, Wikinaut wrote: > > Question: is there a better method for admins to register a few new persons to Hyperkitty/Postorius so that they can act as owners and moderators of some of the lists? You can add Users and their email addresses via the Django admin web ui normally at a url like https://example.com/admin/ but see your top level urls.py. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: I did something stupid. Can i back out of it?

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/19/22 14:06, William Oliver wrote: > > So.. as an aside, it was a bit of a hassle to copy and paste all the > usernames from the "Users" list in Postorius to the "Mass subscribe." > The only way I could see to do it was copy and paste them one at a > time. Postorius Users -> Members view has a CSV Export button. That exports a CSV with all the member addresses. It's actually just a flat list as it only has one column. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/24/22 23:56, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Onyeibo Oku writes: > > > This is speculation. Perhaps I should try another > > installation method other than Virtual. > > If the permissions and ownerships are in fact correct as you report, > that's going to be a lot of work for a very low probability of > success. I agree. I think at this point if you can't solve this by disabling or configuring SELinux, you should be using Fedora support resources to ask why your systemd service does not seem to honor `User=`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Mailing list welcome message won't update

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/14/25 15:00, via Mailman-users wrote: > > The below database query: > mailmandb=> SELECT uri FROM template WHERE name = 'list:user:notice:welcome' AND context = '[redacted].lists.[redacted].org.au'; > > produced output: > > uri > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > file:///var/lib/mailman3/templates/lists/[redacted].lists.[redacted].org.au/en/list:user:notice:welcome > (1 row) > > Looks to be exactly the same as in the settings for that particular mailing list. Does the actual file have a .txt extension. It needs that even though the uri in the template table doesn't have that. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

10 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Join a Mailman 3 list?

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/2/25 17:19, Cathryn McGuire wrote: > > Might someone invite us to temporarily join their group so we can see how Mailman 3 operates from the point of view of members? You are a member of this list, mailman-users(a)mailman3.org. It is a standard, mailman3 list albeit it runs on the latest, pre-release software. You have now posted twice to this list and I think this is the third reply to your posts. What is it you are looking for with "someone invite us to temporarily join their group" beyond what you have as a member of this list? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Gmail emails bouncing - anybody seen this problem?

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/13/19 3:37 PM, worik wrote: > When a outbound email bounces where is the carcass? Gone. > Google is asking me for all the headers, and since this email bounced I > do not have a handy copy. Presumably this is list mail so your list copy should be the same except for the few headers related to delivery from Mailman to you. Also, if you have the 'prototype' archiver enabled, you will find the message with all headers up to the point,it was sent from Mailman in mailman's var/archives/prototype/LIST_ADDRESS/new/ directory. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to turn off Emergency Moderation for imported MM2 lists?

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/27/20 3:38 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > I recently imported a number of MM2 lists into MM3. Unfortunately, the person had emergency moderation turned on for these lists. Since EM is not exposed to Postorius what can be done to reverse this? To do one list: mailman shell -l <list-id> m.emergency = False commit() To do several lists: mailman shell from mailman.models.mailinglist import MailingList mlist = MailingList('first.list.id') mlist.emergency = False commit() mlist = MailingList('second.list.id') mlist.emergency = False commit() And so on for more lists. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3-web MailingList matching query does not exist.

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/11/20 5:20 AM, Loïc Dachary wrote: > Hi, > > The logs of mailman3-web are flooded with the following error. I suspect this is because I removed some mailing lists (using the hyperkitty web interface and the delete button) and the cache still references them. > Is there a job supposed to fix this at some point ? > > Thanks in advance for any tip you can share :-) Have you tried stopping and restarting qcluster? See <https://django-q.readthedocs.io/en/latest/cluster.html> and <https://django-q.readthedocs.io/en/latest/architecture.html#stop-procedure>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: migration

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/30/21 1:10 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: > > I am not at all fluent in django interactions (I'm still > not entirely sure of what django actually *is*) so I have some reading > to do. Any pointers on "django wrangling for n00bs" would be great. As > I mentioned, I've not been hacking on mm3, just using it. I'm an > accomplished programmer, but embedded C and assembler are a few galaxies > away from python and web services! Django is a Python based web framework. It is the framework used to support HyperKitty and Postorius. To learn more, start at https://www.djangoproject.com/ -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Python is updated

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/27/23 12:18 PM, Lars Bjørndal wrote: > > No. But the traceback is: > > Traceback (most recent call last): ... > File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/sqlalchemy/dialects/postgresql/psycopg2.py", line 669, in import_dbapi > import psycopg2 > File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2/__init__.py", line 51, in <module> > from psycopg2._psycopg import ( # noqa > SystemError: initialization of _psycopg raised unreported exception > > Do I need to upgrade the database? If so, how do I do that? This appears to be an issue with psycopg2 itself. What happens if you activate your venv and do python -c 'import psycopg2' -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty archives - new list not archived

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/3/18 9:15 AM, vaarcilal(a)eafit.edu.co wrote: > > I'm having problems related to hyperkitty on which I'd really appreciate some help. When I try to access the archives of a mailing list named 'test-nov' it redirects me to 'example.com/hyperkitty/list/test-nov@example.com/', where a 404 appears and a 'No archived mailing-list by that name.' message is thrown by hyperkitty.views.mlist.overview. Are you running the Django periodic tasks? See <http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html#scheduled-tasks-required>, In particular, I think the hourly "new_lists_from_mailman" job is what you need. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years

[MM3-users] Re: FILTER_VHOST for 3.2.1 not working after install

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/8/20 2:33 AM, Élodie BOSSIER via Mailman-users wrote: > > I would like with Mailman 3.2.1 see into : > - "example1.com/postorius/lists/" only the mailing list related to example1, > - and into "example2.com/postorius/lists/" only the mailing list related > to example2 as Mailman 2.1.x do it. > > I don't understand what I missed, could you help me please ? It works for me. I suspect in your case it has something to do with how ngnix is set up to forward to Django. What are your nginx settings for this? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderated Signup with "info" box?

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/7/20 8:01 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > > Keep in mind that Mailman 3's REST API is only accessible locally. So to > access Mailman 3's REST API from another server is not remotely > possible. (see what I did there?) The REST API is only accessible locally by default. It is certainly possible to configure the webservice section of mailman.cfg to be able to access it remotely - if you do this, be sure not to use the default admin_pass. There is also an authenticating REST proxy project called lemme (possibly abandoned) at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/lemme>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: Username being set to givenname for socialaccount login

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/22/21 12:13 PM, Andreas Barth wrote: > > Does that mean, not having an user name would work for mailman? I > always thought having an user name was required Mailman core has no concept of username. Core understands users and addresses and both users and addresses have an associated display_name which can be any string or None, but this display_name is only text and is not required. Django also has a concept of user and one can log in to Django either by address or user, but only the address relates to Mailman core. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating to Mailman3

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/19/25 08:49, Dennis Putnam via Mailman-users wrote: > > I found the docs for MySQL and I THINK I have it working. However this > line from the status is concerning: > > *Oct 19 15:41:29 dap002 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Can't open PID > file /opt/mailman/mm/var/master.pid (yet?) after start: No such file or > directory* This is not a concern as long as /opt/mailman/mm/var/master.pid exists now and contains the PID of the running master process. The message occurs because systemd checks before the master has created. That's why there is a (yet?) in the message. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 month, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Moving mm2 mail archives to mm3

by Mark Sapiro

On 07/20/2017 01:20 PM, Tom Browder wrote: > Is there any way to move my old mm2 archives to mm3? Yes. Once you have HyperKitty and Mailman 3 installed, you use the 'django-admin hyperkitty_import' command to import, e.g., the MM 2 archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox file to HyperKitty. See 'django-admin hyperkitty_import --help' for more info. Note that if there are already posts archived on the MM 3 list, you will need the '--since DATE' option with an early date because the default is to not import anything older than the most recent post in the current archive. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: invalid parameter response of the rest-api

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/21/22 16:14, gioklr71(a)gmail.com wrote: > Hi Mark. > I put a > print_dict(email_D) > and ALL records are > email; (name surname) > and no empty values are present. To be sure I've modified code... > > for mail, nom in email_D.items(): # Loop over Dictionary items (Email, Name) > if (mail) and (nom): > print(info.subscribe(mail, nom, pre_verified=True, pre_confirmed=True, send_welcome_message=False, pre_approved=True)) What are actually passing. mail may not be empty, but it is not a valid email address as checked by https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/email/validate… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Django: An error occurred while processing your request.

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/26/25 12:08 PM, Florian Sukup wrote: > > When I received emails from postorius, then it came from example.com > which is nonsense as I worked with the real lists. So I deleted > example.com. Set DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL and SERVER_EMAIL appropriately in your Django settings. > When I call https://.../mailman3/admin or any of the lists, the result is: > Server error > An error occurred while processing your request. You need to set SITE_ID appropriately in your Django settings. See https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/faq.html#the-domain-name-displayed-in-h… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: After server upgrade debian 11→12 and reinstalling everything in (venv), I got this error when accessing → mailman3/lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/16/25 7:30 PM, Wikinaut wrote: > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 160, in call > raise HTTPError(params.get('url'), response.status_code, > urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 500: {"title": "500 Internal Server Error"} > ERROR 2025-08-16 19:26:03,720 6588 django.request Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/mylist.myserver.tld > > > Can anyone help? Other things do work, including archives, users, domains etc. Is there an associated message in mailman.log? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: list footer web customization procedure

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/10/21 10:03 AM, dancab(a)caltech.edu wrote: > Mark, > > Is there a mailman-web command that could be used on a specific list to expire cached entries? The cache is a Mailman core function, not a mailman-web function. If you have Mailman core >= 3.3.5, the task runner deletes expired cache entries every hour or at intervals defined by the `run_tasks_every` setting in the `[mailman]` section of mailman.cfg. For older versions you could run in an interactive `mailman shell` ``` getUtility(ICacheManager).evict_expired() ``` in a script, you'd also need ``` from mailman.interfaces.cache import ICacheManager from zope.component import getUtility ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: All messages to a new list/domain shunted from "in" queue with no logged exceptions

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/25/23 8:01 AM, Jered Floyd wrote: > > I was able to resolve this by going to the "List Settings"->"DMARC Mitigations" config page for the affected list, making no changes, and then clicking "Save Changes". > > This suggests that new lists in 3.3.9 may be getting mlist.dmarc_addresses set to None rather than an empty list (which seems to be expected). You beat me to it, but your analysis is correct. I'll need to fix that. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: Installing Mailman3 under a Python Virtual environment running on RHEL9

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/22/24 11:16 AM, Andy Macheta wrote: > Hi Odhiambo, > Well; looks like I'm much further on thanks to your tips - thanks!! > > So now I can get my local web browser pointing at http://localhost:8000/mailman3/lists/ and I can see my test list. > But, the webpage does not seem right, i.e. the text has loaded but not the images and wondering if anyone has any tips on how to resolve. Did you do the 4 steps beginning at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#run-database-mi… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Spam from non list members

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/19/25 12:14 PM, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > Hello Team, > > I have received spam in the last few days, posted to one of my lists. > The spam is from non-subscribers. I am wondering how this spam makes it to > the list in the first place, and how to stop them. > Below are the headers from one such spam: > ... > X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: header-match-kictanet.lists.kictanet.or.ke-18 What is the action associated with the 18th Header Filters rule for this list? This message matched that rule and I suspect the action is Accept. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating from SQLite to PostgreSQL

by Mark Sapiro

On 07/17/2018 07:27 PM, Joe Steeve wrote: > > I have an installation on SQLite. I want to migrate it to PostgreSQL. Is that > feasible? Any gotchas I need to watch for? It is feasible. You would need to stop Mailman core and all Django processes including cron jobs and WSGI processes to ensure nothing is accessing the SQLite database, update the database section in mailman.cfg and the DATABASES settings in your Django settings, use SQLite tools to dump the relevant database(s) and PostgreSQL tools to create and load them, and finally restart Mailman core and all Django processes. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 does not send to the members of the lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/12/20 2:41 PM, maszap(a)tin.it wrote: > I can create a list, add members to the list, but when I create a new thread, I only get it on the email from the same domain as the list. While all the other members of the list, they do not receive the thread. > I tried to check the logs, but I don't see anything significant. > What can I check? This is most likely because the outgoing MTA can't deliver/relay to external domains. Check the MTA configuration and logs. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman_web'

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/10/23 09:02, gordon(a)dickens.com wrote: > > So, I put Mark's suggested contents in /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman and then executed the command: > > /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg > > which resulted in the following error message: > >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 5, in <module> >> from mailman.bin.mailman import main >> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman' > > Any more ideas? Your mailman in your venv is broken. With your venv active try ``` pip install --force-reinstall mailman ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: All messages to a new list/domain shunted from "in" queue with no logged exceptions

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/25/23 7:53 AM, Jered Floyd wrote: > > File "/opt/app-root/src/.local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/rules/dmarc.py", line 284, in maybe_mitigate > for address in mlist.dmarc_addresses: > TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not iterable > Nov 25 15:49:26 2023 (90) SHUNTING: 1700927366.81852+6d2f84a8eb97e64c3ee93662f1744a2a756c7ca9 > [...] This may be a bug. I need to investigate. Meanwhile, go to the list's settings in Postorius and under DMARC Mitigations, put something in DMARC Addresses, save it and then remove it and save again. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: Language confusion in held mail notifications

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/24/21 12:57 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Mark Sapiro writes: > > On 9/22/21 2:16 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: > > > > After sending a mail to the list as the moderated list user, the > > > resulting notification returned to the users email address is > > > mostly in German, but the reason indicated is in Spanish "El > > > mensaje proviene de un miembro moderado". > > > > > > I am unable to duplicate this in Mailman 3.3.5rc1. > > Is it possible that one of the message catalogs is incomplete, and > something in the environment (LANGUAGE seems like a likely candidate) > is set to a value that uses German when Spanish is unavailable or > vice-versa? Thanks for the hint Steve. There is a Spanish message catalog as evidenced by the fact that the reason was translated to Spanish, but the issue is almost certainly that there is no mailman/templates/es/list:user:notice:post.txt template so we fall back to the one for the list's language. Note that prior to Mailman 3.3.5rc1 there are lots of missing templates and in particular, the 3.3.4 Spanish templates were incorrectly named with `_` rather than `:` in the names. Templates are actually translated in the message catalogs via weblate, but these translations weren't installed in the appropriate templates/ directory. There is now a script at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/update_lang_templates.py to do this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman 3 adding extraneous /var/ to pid path?

by Mark Sapiro

On 09/21/2017 01:29 PM, Andrew Hodder wrote: > > I keep getting around this by creating symlinks to the pid file and then > the stop works, but it's getting silly. It seems like mailman just assumes > CWD + /var/ + master.pid must be the location. Once I realized this, I > found I can do "mailman stop" so long as I'm only in /opt/mailman/ (since > it'd then add /var/master.pid). But that seems a little nonsensical. That is the normal expected behavior if devmode is enabled. Check your configs for this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Using external services for deliverability?

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/3/20 7:27 AM, Tom @ Gather wrote: > Thank you both for the help. I have SPF and reverse DNS setup. But I > thought DKIM is no help because Mailman rewrites the email headers? In most cases, Mailman will make transformations to the message which will break any incoming DKIM signature, but you still want to DKIM sign your outgoing mail with your own domain's DKIM signature. This will not in itself allow list messages to pass DMARC which is why Mailman has DMARC mitigations, but it will still provide a valid DKIM signature from you which will help with deliverability. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: User display name entry field input ignored

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/26/22 08:03, Christian via Mailman-users wrote: > Whether I try and add users using mass subscribe, or individually, it seems > the display name field entry is ignored. The default is then "none" for the > user. Please advise. Thank you! If the address you are mass subscribing is already known to mailman, i.e., is an existing user, it is that user that will be subscribed with that user's display name, even if it is None. If that address is not an existing user, the user will be subscribed with the display name you provide. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Held message notifications ending up in junk

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/14/22 10:52, Tibor Molnar wrote: > Hi all, > > After I put in a DKIM record for the specific domain the sender now gets notification about held messages in inbox, however the admin or owner of the list is still receiving notifications to the junk folder. I have tried to put in DKIM record under the owners domain also but it did not changed anything. Would you have any other suggestions on this? Are the admin notices DKIM signed? If not, and if you are using opendkim see the MAILING LISTS section at http://www.opendkim.org/opendkim-README -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: HyperKitty failure: {"error": "'Thread' instance needs to have a primary key value before this relationship can be used."} (400)

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/19/22 21:03, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > armin.schoeffmann(a)aegaeon.de writes: > > > quick test - your guess is correct: > > Django 4.1.x is the culprit. Downgrading to 4.0.8 brought > > hyperkitty back to life. > > I did not expect that! I really thought you'd have to go to 3.x. It is a 4.1 issue and is now fixed https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/merge_requests/467 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] New Mailman Core Release

by Mark Sapiro

We are pleased to announce the release of Mailman core 3.3.7. It is published to PyPI and you can find links to all the PyPI projects: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ The change log is at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.… - please note the `BREAKING CHANGE` documented there and due to our now using SQLAlchemy >-1.4. Finally, the minimum Python version required is 3.7 although, 3.9 is recommended if you are doing a new install for longest support. 3.10 is supported for Django apps, but Mailman Core is missing that due to one of the core dependencies (aiosmtpd) not supporting 3.10 yet. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: Only allow users to subscribe from certain domains

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/23/23 8:33 AM, bob B via Mailman-users wrote: > Does Mailman have anyway to just allow users to subscribe themselves to a list from certain domains... ie any user from test.com or test2.com No. Mailman 2.1 has a feature which when subscription requests require moderator approval, requests from addresses matching regexps like, e.g., '^.*(a)test\.com$' can be automatically approved, but this isn't exactly what you are looking for as requests from other domains would still be held for approval, and any way, this feature has not yet been implemented in MM 3. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty href url to css cache files is not correct

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/5/23 08:37, Alexander Maier wrote: > > I recognized that hyperkitty creates for each new access to its website a css CACHE file which is stored at '/static/CACHE/css/'. > The url in the HTML file sets the href to /static/CACHE/css/ but the files are only accessible with '/hyperkitty/static/CACHE/css/'. What are your Django settings for BASE_DIR STATIC_ROOT STATIC_URL STATICFILES_DIRS STATICFILES_FINDERS Also in your web server, you need to alias the STATIC_URL value to the STATIC_ROOT value and finally run the Django admin command `collectstatic --clear --noinput` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem with digests not being sent daily

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/21/24 02:07, Mark wrote: > > That's the problem. The mmdf files don't exist in the list's directory > although there have been many posts to the list throughout the day. Assuming your mailman/app/digests.py is unmodified, there is some race condition. The code beginning at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/app/digests.py… finds the file and size is > 0, but by the time it gets to https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/app/digests.py… the file is gone. What other crons run at the same time? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Can't post to my own list from HyperKitty

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/7/25 17:45, MegaBrutal via Mailman-users wrote: > > So it's even weirder – however, I'm really not sure if this is the address > HyperKitty is checking for, as I have 3 attached to my account! > How may I know which one it's trying to use? If you go to https://example.com/user-profile/ what Primary email and Other emails do you see? Do you see all three? And if you go to https://example.com/mailman3/users and click Manage for your address, do you see all 3 under Addresses? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 months

[MM3-users] Re: [Bug] Someone not a member of list is treated as member - strange

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/23/25 11:43, Wikinaut wrote: > CORRECTION > > Didn't I say, that I was not member of the list? I need to double-check, but treating any of n addresses of a user as automatically treating that user as "member" is not very logical behaviour. Of course it is logical. You, the person, are a member of the list so you post to the list should be treated as from a member regardless of which of your addresses it comes from. Why is that a problem? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: auto-away notices as bounces

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/29/21 10:19 PM, Andreas Barth wrote: > * Mark Sapiro (mark(a)msapiro.net) [210830 04:30]: > >> That said, bounce processing should treat even a VERPed message as >> unrecognized if it doesn't look like some kind of DSN. This may not >> be the case in MM 3. > > Thanks, that's what I also think. Looking at the returned mail, they > definitly don't look like DSNs / bounces to me. > > > Anything I should be doing re this topic? I've created https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/939 for this. I think this patch will fix it. --- a/src/mailman/runners/bounce.py +++ b/src/mailman/runners/bounce.py @@ -51,13 +51,18 @@ class BounceRunner(Runner): addresses = StandardVERP().get_verp(mlist, msg) if len(addresses) > 0: # Scan the message to see if it contained permanent or temporary - # failures. We'll ignore temporary failures, but even if there - # are no permanent failures, we'll assume VERP bounces are - # permanent. + # failures. We'll ignore temporary failures, and if there + # are no permanent failures, we'll assume this is a vacation + # response or similar. temporary, permanent = all_failures(msg) if len(temporary) > 0: # This was a temporary failure, so just ignore it. return False + if len(permanent) == 0: + log.info('VERPed bounce message but not a recognized DSN: %s', + msg.get('message-id', 'n/a')) + maybe_forward(mlist, msg) + return False else: # See if this was a probe message. addresses = ProbeVERP().get_verp(mlist, msg) (Watch for wrapped lines) -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Subscription requires confirmation when list is set as Open

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/18/24 18:22, Joachim Schrod wrote: > Mark Sapiro writes: >> >> It is not the subscription that requires confirmation. It is the user's >> email address. Even though the list's subscribe policy is open, a >> previously unknown email address has to be confirmed. > > I assume that's the verification that one can turn off in Postorious > `Mass Suscription' with the checkbox "Pre Verified". That is correct. > I maintain a mailing list for a private holiday where people don't > subscribe themselves; I subscribe them. I have vetted their email > address beforehand. (The subscribers are mostly not able to handle a > verification email, nor any email-based workflow at all.) Is there a > configuration option for a mailing list that sets "Pre Verified" to > true as a default? This is https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/563 it was fixed by https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/930 which was later extended by https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/945 however these are not available until Postorius 1.3.14 which is not yet released. These add a setting, POSTORIUS_DEFAULTS, which can be used to set these defaults. E.g., setting POSTORIUS_DEFAULTS = {'mass_subscription_pre_verify': True} will set the default for Pre Verified to True. So far, the only defaults that can be set in this manner are mass_subscription_pre_confirm, mass_subscription_pre_approve, mass_subscription_pre_verify and mass_subscription_invite and those not until Postorius 1.3.14, but more may be added. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

11 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Maximum number of recipients error

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/18/19 10:40 AM, brian(a)emwd.com wrote: > I am unable to modify the "Maximum number of recipients" setting. It generates the following error when I click the "save changes" button: > > "An error occured: Unknown attribute: max_num_recipients" > > I am using the docker version of MM3 and its happening on "Postorius Version 1.2.3". Is this a known bug? It works for me. It was added by <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/merge_requests/358>, but it requires Mailman core >= 3.2.1. What's in the docker image you're using? This may be an issue for <https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Welcome Message

by Mark Sapiro

On April 16, 2019 7:09:08 PM CDT, brian(a)emwd.com wrote: >I don't know how do that with a Docker Installation of Mailman. I >believe Python 3 is part of the container. Its not installed natively >on the server. Can you do bin/mailman shell? That would be even better. >I really am starting to hate Mailman 3. Nothing is easy with this >application. I have installed it using Docker, via Ubuntu's repos, and >now I am doing an installation of it from Source (via PiP) and there >are hurdles everywhere. If you're installing via pip you must have Python 3. Your tracebacks show a Python 3 library in /usr/lib/python3.6/ -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.

6 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Suspend a list temporarily

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/31/19 7:20 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > I need a bit of handholding here. What settings do I have to make to reject with a message, and how to make or modify a template with my message containing the reason for temporary list processing suspension? The template to modify is list:user:notice:rejected. This does not seem to be one that can be customized via Postorius so you would need to make a templates/lists/<list.id>/en/list:user:notice:rejected.txt file in Mailman's var/ directory or set a URL for the template as in <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/templates.ht…> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Throttle outgoing emails to a certain rate?

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/21/20 3:24 AM, arvid.teichtmann(a)gmx.de wrote: > Is there a possibility to throttle the sending of outgoing emails to a certain rate, e.g. 100 emails per hour, or to split them up into corresponding chunks? > I run Mailman 2.1.33 on a hosted server and the provider only allows me to send a maximum of 100 emails per hour. This is not the list for Mailman 2.1 questions. The Mailman 2.1 list is mailman-users(a)python.org <https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/>. That said, for Mailman 2.1 see the FAQ article at <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030607>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: File "/usr/lib/python2.7/httplib.py", line 1148, in getresponse raise ResponseNotReady()

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/10/20 12:12 AM, r.woithe(a)callassoftware.com wrote: > UPDATE > mailman3 woks now under python3 but i still get the nightly email, now with an other file but with the same result: > > File "/usr/lib/python3.8/http/client.py", line 1322, in getresponse > raise ResponseNotReady(self.__state) > http.client.ResponseNotReady: Request-started > ERROR OCCURED IN DAILY JOB: sync_mailman (APP: hyperkitty) > > anybody can help ? See my reply at <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> > additionally should i set COMPRESS_OFFLINE to false again? No. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Struggle on upgrading mailman3-web to new version - Not Found: /mailman//

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/25/21 9:06 AM, Stefan Bauer wrote: > So i fixed it by myself, just think about it again. > ProxyPass /mailman3 unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost/ > > Note the trailing slash at the end. > After removing it, the webinterface is up again. > But i have no idea, why this is NOW a problem and was not in the past. > Maybe something has changed in the way, apache is handling this now. The issue is with uWSGI and a recent upgrade to uWSGI is what caused it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Hacking attempts?

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/14/22 5:19 AM, Lists via Mailman-users wrote: > > Also, this error doesn’t appear in the MM or Apache logs, it just gets emailed, so I am going to have to figure out how to turn on the appropriate logging in order to get fail2ban to monitor it. Any pointers in this regard would be gratefully received. This error comes from Django. Django logging is configured in its settings, i.e. settings[_local].py or whereever you have them. I am curently traveling and on my way home and don't have time to provide more details, but if you need help, ask and I or someone will respond. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: out queue backlog and delivery rate

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/6/22 16:14, dancab(a)caltech.edu wrote: > Mark, we've been testing some adjustments to Postfix. We're especially overwhelmed when several large lists are being processed within the space for 10-30 minute. You can see the added delay in the log output below when 2 distinct messages arrive within a couple of minutes of each other. The second message ended up being delayed by over 20 minutes. We have multiple lists with member over 500 members. So we've had scenarios where the backlog quickly increases to an hour. > > Any thoughts? Slice the out queue. at least 4 slices. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman issues after re-boot

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/5/23 18:04, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > This is a webserver vulnerability mitigation, and I'm seeing the same > HTTP statis on mailman3.org when I go to moderate these lists. I > suspect a Django bug (or barely possible, change in Django's > configuration that we need to update to). But I don't know for sure > what's going on there. Pretty sure it's nothing you did wrong though. I see it too now for some things on mailman3.org. It apparently just started there when I upgraded Django from 3.2 to 4.2. I'll investigate. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Question: as Admin, I disabled the self-registration via settings.py. What is the correct method to register a few new users now?

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/2/25 04:27, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > On Mon, Sep 1, 2025 at 10:27 PM Wikinaut <mail(a)tgries.de> wrote: > >> Disabled by line ACCOUNT_ADAPTER = >> 'django_mailman3.views.user_adapter.DisableSignupAdapter' >> (via https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/merge_requests/129 ) > > Would you be able to do this on a per-domain basis? See the thread at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Discard all mail with the subject "The resutls of your email commands"

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/28/20 7:43 AM, w.schoener(a)alp.dillingen.de wrote: > Hello Mark, > thank you for your hint. This is not my choice but is wanted by my collegues. I discussed it already... > > I commented out the line in command.py and the "result of email commands" mail still was send. > Exists there a kind of cache, or do I just have to wait some time, until this works? > Thank you so much, > Wolfgang Did you restart Mailman core? You need to do that. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Restore/export existing Mailman lists + hyperkitty archives on a new server

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/5/22 10:13, Kimmo L wrote: > Okay. Maybe i should to the same and replace my existing configuration with gunicorn. > Is it complicated to do that change ? I ask because this gunicorn term is quite new for me. You already have gunicorn installed because Mailman core uses it to support the REST interface. For configuration see https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience. In particular, see the `Recommended Configuration` section items labeled `if using Gunicorn:` for sample gunicorn.conf and Script to start Gunicorn. Also, the `Web Server` and `Running Things` sections. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman-web showing "An error occurred while processing your request."

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/9/23 07:57, C. Souza wrote: > > Just for curiosity, does anyone know the reasons for this kind of problem > and how to avoid it? Cause: Something in the specific email message. Avoidance: Possibly if we knew what the specific issue was or could see the held messages as displayed by the mailman shell script I provided, we could detect the issue and do something about it. Possibly Postorius could catch this and be more graceful about it, but again we'd probably need a message that triggers this issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Default templates

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/8/23 16:01, Steve Brown wrote: > I'm new to this list and newly a Mailman list administrator. I know I can customize message templates and have done so for my list's Welcome message. My problem is knowing what I'm replacing when I create a "new" template. How/where can I see he default content? The fact that Postorius doesn't show it to you is https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/366 The defaults are in your installation at mailman/templates/en/ or in GitLab at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/tree/master/src/mailman/templates/en or in the directory https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/tree/master/src/mailman/templates/ for other languages. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Message does not appear in archive

by Mark Sapiro

On 08/30/2018 02:59 AM, Simon Hanna wrote: > > It is being archived. You can find it here > > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… > > You can see it listed here > > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/2018/8/ > > Hyperkitty has a "little" problem with caching and cache-invalidation... And various searches such as "forum" will also find it. It is unclear why it doesn't appear in the "Recently active discussions" list on the overview even though I've stopped and started qcluster, gunicorn (the wsgi server for Django) and mailman. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: I have issue where it does not send emails on to people in the list I create.

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/30/20 1:09 PM, john_warland(a)hotmail.com wrote: > > I had been concentrating so much on the mailman suite config file as I was sure the answer was a setting in there that I didn't think to double check the mailman.cfg For what it's worth, The actual mail list management, i.e. receiving and delivering posts, only involves Mailman core and your mailman suite config file is only for Postorius and HyperKitty and doesn't affect Mailman core. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Using it with the "smtp2go" email relay service that has special deliverability rules

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/19/23 06:03, golden_rock(a)hotmail.com wrote: > > To make it work, I would have to have something like: > > Sender: bounce-address(a)lists.mailman3.org - untouched > From: original.sender@gmail.com@lists.mailman3.org - change #1 having the From address to be From the list > Reply-To: original.sender(a)gmail.com - change #2 - if someone replies > > Then smtp2go will send the email. In Postorius Settings -> DMARC Mitigations set DMARC mitigation action to Replace From: with list address and set DMARC Mitigate unconditionally to Yes. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Debian Package Install - Ownership and Permissions

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/7/23 09:14, Dave Hall via Mailman-users wrote: > > I'm seeing an interplay between 'list' (the existing Mailman2 user), > www-data (the Apache user) and root. Given that it seems like almost > everything that's part of mailman3-web/django/hyperkitty is running in > uwsgi, should I maybe change /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini to use 'list' as the > uid/gid rather than www-data and then also change any user/group permission > to 'list' as well? With the Debian packages, all Mailman processes including Django, HyperKitty, Postorius, etc. should run as user `list`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Held messages not delivered after approval

by Mark Sapiro

On August 2025 1:22 a.m. Stephan Krinetzki wrote: > And then there is a logrotate: > ... > postrotate > if [ -f /opt/mailman/var/master.pid ]; then /bin/systemctl restart mailman.service > /dev/null; fi You should be aware that blindly restarting Mailman can result in duplicate messages to list members and possibly other issues. In particular if outgoing runner is processing a message and has already delivered one or more chunks to the MTA, a restart will cause outgoing runner to stop and upon restart, deliver to the entire recipient list resulting in duplicates for those recipients already sent to the MTA. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: See list of subscribers

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/27/24 00:38, Tom Yates wrote: > > I have a list, as admin under "Settings" -> "List Identity" -> "Members > List Visibility" I have it set to "Only Mailinglist Members". > > But a random subscriber, who's signed up and authenticated, when she > visits the list page she sees her subscription, but no option to list > the other subscribers. > > Is she looking in the wrong place? Do I need to open up more settings? > Am I just being an idiot? This is https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/369 fixed in Postorius 1.3.9 by https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/770 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing Mailman3 under a Python Virtual environment running on RHEL9

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/22/24 11:31 AM, Andy Macheta wrote: > Hi Mark, > > Thanks; yes those 4 steps were performed. > It looks like all the web pages are displaying is just text; so there's no background (apart from white) and no icons or graphics....almost like CCS is not being recognized perhaps. If pages are not styled and you have run the collectstatic and compress jobs, the most likely cause is your web server not finding the static/ directory. See https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#apache-configur… and check your Apache logs for 404s -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Several Postorius errors over the weekend

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/14/24 02:59, Andrew Hodgson wrote: > Hi. > > I've had several Postorius error messages which have resulted in an email. Is this someone up to mischief or have I missed a configuration somewhere? We had several of these over a short period and nothing since then which makes me think someone was running a script on the endpoint, but would be interested in confirmation from those that know better. > > Thanks. > Andrew. > > Internal Server Error: /accounts/login/ > > TemplateDoesNotExist at /accounts/login/ 429.html > > Request Method: HEAD > Request URL: http://lists.hodgsonfamily.org/accounts/login/?next=%2F%61%63%63%6F%75%6E%7… Script kiddies at work. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Bad Request 400 error with nginx/uwsgi install of venv

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/7/25 8:48 PM, zachr(a)mta.ca wrote: > Hello, and thanks in advance for any assistance. > > I followed the installation guide at: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html# > > I opted to use nginx and uwsgi. I can access mailman in the browser at https://SERVER_IP/mailman3 but when I try to use the hostname I get an nginx 400 bad request error. This is probably due to your setting for ALLOWED_HOSTS not including the IP for hostname. Check Django's log which in your installation should be at /opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Disabled by bounce

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/2/23 04:54, Danil Smirnov wrote: > Hi Mark > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 9:28 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> Yes and no. If 'Bounce info stale after' is set to 3d and no bounces for >> a user are received in a 3 day period, the user's bounce score is not >> immediately reset, but it will be reset (to 1) the next time a bounce is >> received for the user. I.e., it is effectively the same thing unless you >> are looking at the user's bounce score which doesn't change until the >> next bounce. >> > > Isn't this a bug? We are now showing users' bounce scores on the Members > page and this would be misleading. Is it difficult from internals > perspective to have the bounce score reset immediately? Yes, it is not difficult, but it's a lot of processing. It would require something like a task runner task to periodically look at each row in the member table and if the bounce score is > 0, find the associated list's bounce_info_stale_after and if last_bounce_received + bounce_info_stale_after < now, reset the score. Consider a site like mail.python.org that at this moment has 79024 rows in the member table and 7531 of those have bounce_score > 0. That's a lot of processing, and is it really an issue to show a non-zero bounce score that's stale? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Domain admin

by Mark Sapiro

On 04/24/2018 11:57 PM, Johannes Winter wrote: > > We would like to give our users the priviledge to create lists per > domain. I Haven't found any options for that in the web interface. > > Is this possible somehow with mailman3? It is not currently possible. From the point of view of Mailman Core, anyone who can run the 'mailman' command or access the REST API can create domains and lists. Postorius could support this in some way and could maintain it's own 'authorized users' data, but it would be better to also add some concept of domain admin to core. These would be significant changes. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman issues after re-boot

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/1/23 11:29, paulrubin37(a)gmail.com wrote: > Thank you , more progress. > > Unfortunately, I did a stupid. Given all the error and what not I got the stupid idea to update the box entirely. The venv is gone and I am unable to re-install it: > > mail:~ # apt install python3-dev python3-venv sassc lynx ... > 'python3-venv' not found in package names. Trying capabilities. > > I have searched google and not found the correct repo to add to fix this. Is there any chance you know? What does `apt list python3-v*` show? What does `python3 -m venv --help` show? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 generates long lines?

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/9/24 13:50, Jörg Schulz wrote: > did you ever find a solution to the issue "maximum allowed line length is 998 octets, got ... "? In the last days, I had some apple iphone originating emails in longish email threads where this happened. I'm not aware of a solution other that fixing the email clients involved. > Can the prototype archiver be activated additionally to hyperkitty or only as alternative? In the latter case: (how) can I archive the messages in question manually afterwards? It can be active additionally to hyperkitty. There's nothing that prohibits all enabled archivers from being active on a list. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 10 months

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