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[MM3-users] Re: Imported Digest Settings

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/16/21 7:56 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > I am still seeing digest formatting issues with the import of Mailman 2 > lists into Mailman 3. I am running the latest stable version of Mailman > 3 core which is 3.3.3. This is what my client reported: > > >> For the last three REDACTED digests I have been getting unusual and >> unreadable characters? See example below. >> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>> *From: *REDACTED >>> *Subject: *REDACTED*Digest, Vol 2453, Issue 2* >>> *Date: *February 13, 2021 at 12:30:24 AM PST >>> *To: *REDACTED@REDACTED >>> *Reply-To: *REDACTED@REDACTED >>> >>> �P*+]4�LaG@��[� S� XZ[ [�� \� �X�Z\��[ۜ� ‚] [� [�ܙ‚� � �X��ܚX�H ܈ ... > > So the questions I have are: > > 1. Why does the formatting of digests change for some members when > coming from MM2 to MM3? Could this be <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/473>? That should be fixed in Core 3.3.3. > 2. What proble does the above example reveal? Insufficient headers to begin to guess. > 3. What is the best approach to mitigate these issues? Depends what the issue is. The two most obvious approaches are upgrade to Mailman 3.3.3 if you aren't already there and switch from plain to MIME digests, but I would really like to see the full raw source of this digest messages to try to see if there is some other issue. > What I did: I had the client change the list member's digest setting > from plain-text to mime. Was that the right instruction to do? It will probably help, but if this is Mailman 3.3.3, there's still a bug somewhere that needs to be diagnosed and fixed. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: missing graphics in Postorius

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/6/21 10:15 PM, David Newman wrote: > After installing MM3 on Debian 10 using the venv docs, no graphics > appear in the admin or list pages, just broken links. > > The mailmanweb log has lines like this: > > ERROR 2021-12-07 06:04:10,002 18262 django.security.DisallowedHost > Invalid HTTP_HOST header: '127.0.0.1'. You may need to add '127.0.0.1' > to ALLOWED_HOSTS. > > which is odd because there is the line for "localhost" in settings.py, > and /etc/hosts correctly ties this to 127.0.0.1. Add '127.0.0.1' to ALLOWED_HOSTS anyway. > There are entries like this in /var/log/nginx/error.log saying the files > just aren't there: > > 2021/12/06 22:00:30 [error] 18123#18123: *65 open() > "/opt/mailman/web/static/postorius/img/mailman_logo_small_trans.png" > failed (2: No such file or directory), client: x.x.x.x, server: > somehost.example.com, request: "GET > /static/postorius/img/mailman_logo_small_trans.png HTTP/2.0", host: > "somehost.example.com", referrer: > "https://somehost.example.com/mailman/lists/" > > (I've obfuscated names and addresses here, but "somehost.example.com" > refers to a valid FQDN in the log.) > > I thought I'd followed all the venv docs, but the > /opt/mailman/web/static/postorius directory doesn't exist. Did I miss > something? Assuming you have ``` STATIC_ROOT = '/opt/mailman/web/static' ``` in your /etc/mailman3/settings.py file, you may need to create that directory if it doesn't exist. You shouldn't need to manually create the /opt/mailman/web/static/postorius directory if the /opt/mailman/web/static directory exists and is writable/searchable by the Mailman user. That should enable ``` (venv)$ mailman-web collectstatic ``` to populate that directory. Be sure you've run all four commands at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#run-database-mi… et seq. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman sends Welcome emails, but does not send [List] postings emails

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/31/23 22:49, justfixit(a)marilynstrother.com wrote: > FWIW, looking back at this time period in mailman.log the only instances of "runner exiting" are in groups, at the times when I had manually issued "mailman restart" to try a few different debug logging options. I.e. there was no single / multiple record of "runner exiting" from e.g. an unexpected program fault. When you issued a restart and the logs show runners restarting, did all the runners restart or was one or more missing. If you grep the log for `runner started`, you should see groups of messages like Jun 01 08:00:27 2023 (21930) in runner started. Jun 01 08:00:27 2023 (21938) virgin runner started. Jun 01 08:00:28 2023 (21932) bounces runner started. Jun 01 08:00:28 2023 (21935) command runner started. Jun 01 08:00:28 2023 (21941) retry runner started. Jun 01 08:00:28 2023 (21934) archive runner started. Jun 01 08:00:28 2023 (21931) lmtp runner started. Jun 01 08:00:28 2023 (21942) pipeline runner started. Jun 01 08:00:29 2023 (21939) out runner started. Jun 01 08:00:29 2023 (21936) digest runner started. Jun 01 08:00:29 2023 (21937) nntp runner started. Jun 01 08:00:30 2023 (21940) task runner started. and if any runners are sliced, there will be multiple entries for that runner, one per slice. Also, because of the way the `rest` runner is run, it will be in the list on a start but not on a restart. If a runner had previously died so it was not running when you did the restart, it won't be started and will be missing from the above list. In order to restart runners which have died, you need to do `mailman stop` followed by `mailman start` as opposed to `mailman restart` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Can't post to my own list from HyperKitty

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/10/25 18:30, MegaBrutal via Mailman-users wrote: > > Thanks, I successfully removed my unwanted address, so it now doesn't > appear anywhere. (Looks like .remove(n) wasn't needed, it only gave an > exception, and the settings were saved even without commit() – which is > concerning because I would have assumed that I can cancel transactions by > omitting it.) As it says when you first invoke `mailman shell` Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. > However, the problem still persists: I can't post to the list from > HyperKitty. In this regard, nothing has changed since my original report. > I'm subscribed to the list with my primary, preferred address, which is the > GMail address right now. So your gmail.com address is a list member and your megabrutal.com address is only an owner. Is that correct? What if you add your megabrutal.com address as a list member - you can set delivery to disabled if you don't want it to get mail. Does that work? How are you logging in to the web UI. I am concerned, because if you are logging in to an account that has both addresses linked, you should see the ``` This message will be sent as: user(a)example.com Link another address ``` line below the text box in the message dialog and if you click on user(a)example.com, you should be able to pick the other address. Also, if you go to https://example.com/user-profile/ you should see a Primary email: and Other emails:. Do you see that? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Not able to start mailman server

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/5/21 12:53 AM, Kartheek Reddy Bondugula wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to setup postorius using this website - > > https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/release-3.0/src/mailman/docs/W... That documentation is out of date. Start at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/ > I am trying to create a mailling list and it web interface for the users in my group > > The command 'pip install -e ./'(python3) runs successfully but still i am not able to start the server Is the result the same as in your post at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…, i.e., /usr/local/Cellar/python(a)3.9/3.9.5/bin/python3.9: can't open file '/usr/local/opt/python(a)3.9/bin/master': [Errno 2] No such file or directory > my mailman info shows - > > GNU Mailman 3.3.5b1 (Tom Sawyer) > Python 3.9.5 (default, May 4 2021, 03:36:27) > [Clang 12.0.0 (clang-1200.0.32.29)] > config file: /Users/.../Documents/mailman/var/etc/mailman.cfg > db url: sqlite:////Users/.../Documents/mailman/var/data/mailman.db > devmode: DISABLED > REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ > REST credentials: restadmin:restpass We recommend following this guide https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html What is the content of the /Users/.../Documents/mailman/var/etc/mailman.cfg file? The 'pip install -e ./' command should have created a bin/ directory containing both `mailman` and `master` executable files and this `mailman` command is the one you should be running. It appears the `mailman` command you are running is '/usr/local/opt/python(a)3.9/bin/mailman'. If that is in fact a symlink to a different bin/mailman file, there should also be a symlink from '/usr/local/opt/python(a)3.9/bin/master' to the existing bin/master or you should adjust your path. What do `which -a mailman` and `which -a master` show? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Is there a reason not to implement the config_list command ?

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/10/18 11:54 PM, Asaf Ohayon wrote: > > Is it meant to be implemented ? > and if so, how is it recommended to do > (for someone new to mailman 3 programming) It depends what you are looking for. The Mailman 2.1 config_list command can do quite a lot. It has both an output (config dump) mode and an input (config load/alter/etc) mode. It would be a simple matter to implement a mailman sub-command to dump a list's config if all you want are list attributes and their values. If you want all the commentary that config_list produces, that is more difficult because config_list basically gets all that from the Mailman 2.1 web UI and in Mailman 3, the web UI is decoupled from the core and the core really knows nothing about it or if it even exists. You would need to get it from the various interface definitions in mailman/interfaces/mailinglist.py. For the input mode if all you wanted to support was input containing lines of the form attribute=value that wouldn't be too difficult to do, but config_list can to much more because it makes the list object available to the input script so the input script can do anything at all to the list. So, as I said, it depends on what config_list functionality you are looking for. If what you want is a way to configure a list for a particular "style", Mailman 3 has a concept of List Style to be applied when the list is created. See <http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/styles/docs/styles.html>. This, rather than config_list is intended to be the way to configure a particular list style. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM2 to MM3 on debian 10

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/27/20 8:26 AM, Gelpi Andrea wrote: > Hi, on a debian 10 with MM3 I'm trying to migrate form some old MM2 > mailing lists. I know that not all can work. > > In my old lists I have email and regular expressions in > reject_these_nonmembers and discard_these_nonmembers > > After importing the list all these email are in non member list. > > All these email have Delivery status enabled. Delivery status is not relevant for non-members and only has to do with receiving list posts in any case. What version of Mailman core is this? There have been changes in `mailman import21` that may affect this, but an address in `reject_these_nonmembers` should be imported as a non-member with a moderation action of `reject` and similarly for `discard`. Note that regexps in *_these_nonmembers should be imported into the MM 3 legacy *_these_nonmembers attributes. Some older versions of import21 also imported non-regexp addresses here, but that was wrong. > Does this mean that all of them will receive any message sent to the list? > The moderation rule is correct, but if I understood correct Delivery > status should be disabled. Delivery status is irrelevant for non-members. Only members are candidates for delivery. > For migration I followed this link > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html > > To migrate archives it states to run > > python manage.py hyperkitty ... > > I cant' find a manage.py on debian 10 manage.py is a Django generic term for the Django admin command. You probably want something called django-admin or similar. > A search shows the only /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py exists. > > Is there any documentation specific for debian? That would be up to Debian. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: bulk deletion of messages from Hyperkitty

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/10/24 12:27 PM, Danil Smirnov via Mailman-users wrote: > > I'm aware of the tools you mentioned and they were properly used. Your issue is almost certainly caused by unescaped `From ` lines in message bodies and preprocessing the mbox with the hyperkitty/contrib/cleanarch3 script should fix those. > Please let us focus on the question I asked - how do we delete messages of > a particular date if there are too many of them so using Hyperkitty UI > isn't an option? You can do ``` DELETE FROM hyperkitty_email WHERE archived_date = <your datetime>; ``` but as you note there are entries in the hyperkitty_thread table that need to be removed too. So, before doing the above, maybe something like ``` DELETE FROM hyperkitty_thread WHERE id IN (SELECT thread_id FROM hyperkitty_email WHERE archived_date = <your datetime>); ``` but there are also possibly entries relating to these messages/threads in the hyperkitty_favorite, hyperkitty_tagging, hyperkitty_lastview and hyperkitty_vote tables. It seems unlikely that there would be such entries in your case, but if you are concerned about them, here in order are what you can do in the database. ``` DELETE FROM hyperkitty_favorite WHERE thread_id IN (SELECT id FROM hyperkitty_thread WHERE id IN (SELECT thread_id FROM hyperkitty_email WHERE archived_date = <your datetime>)); DELETE FROM hyperkitty_tagging WHERE thread_id IN (SELECT id FROM hyperkitty_thread WHERE id IN (SELECT thread_id FROM hyperkitty_email WHERE archived_date = <your datetime>)); DELETE FROM hyperkitty_lastview WHERE thread_id IN (SELECT id FROM hyperkitty_thread WHERE id IN (SELECT thread_id FROM hyperkitty_email WHERE archived_date = <your datetime>)); DELETE FROM hyperkitty_vote WHERE email_id IN (SELECT id FROM hyperkitty_email WHERE archived_date = <your datetime>); DELETE FROM hyperkitty_thread WHERE id IN (SELECT thread_id FROM hyperkitty_email WHERE archived_date = <your datetime>); DELETE FROM hyperkitty_email WHERE archived_date = <your datetime>; ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to set the original sender to the Reply-To?

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/12/20 9:51 AM, Marcel Pietschmann wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I have a settings problem. Mailman adds the original sender to the Reply-To or Cc in the case where there's a reply to setting in force on the list. > > In my case, mailman sets the sender always to Cc. How can i change it? > > My settings: > Personalize = None > Anonymous list = No > Reply to list = No Munging > DMARC = Munge the From: header with list adress When DMARC is set to Munge From, Mailman puts the poster's address in either Cc: or Reply-To: to facilitate replying to the poster. The decision of which header to add the poster's address to is made to, as closely as possible for most MUAs, make the behavior of a 'reply' match the behavior when the From: is not munged. See the comments at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/handlers/dmarc…> for discussion of the goals for Munge From. The actual decision as to which header to use is at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/handlers/dmarc…>. That says that the original From is added to Cc: whenever Reply to list is other than No Munging. You say that you have Reply to list = No Munging which means the original From should be added to Reply-To: and not to Cc:, so I don't understand why it's added to Cc: in your case. I have tested locally and with Reply to list = No Munging, the original From: is added to Reply-To: and with Reply to list = Reply goes to list, the original From: is added to Cc: as expected. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: psycopg2 error?

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/26/23 01:03, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > <CUT> > root@debian12:/home/wash# systemctl status mailman3.service > × mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager > Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; preset: > enabled) > Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Thu 2023-10-26 09:36:41 EAT; > 8s ago > Process: 1893842 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start > (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) > CPU: 789ms > > Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]: dbapi = > dbapi_meth(**dbapi_args) > Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]: File > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/sqlalchemy/dialects/postgresql/psycopg2.py", > line 690, in import_dbapi > Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]: import psycopg2 > Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]: File > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2/__init__.py", line > 51, in <module> > Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]: from > psycopg2._psycopg import ( # noqa > Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]: SystemError: > initialization of _psycopg raised unreported exception > Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control > process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE > Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with > result 'exit-code'. > Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan systemd[1]: Failed to start > mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager. > </CUT> Is your database PostgreSQL or some other? If it's not PostgreSQL, see the thread at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… - particularly https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… Also see https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#installing-mail… where it now says in part "This will install latest release of Mailman Core, and Python bindings for Postgresql database. If you are using a different database manager, do not install psycopg2-binary." -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Unable to update templates

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/28/25 19:40, Mark wrote: > > I have jumped the gun on thinking that the template as a file was > working. It's not. It's the same story: the initial file template is > good, but it's for sure getting cached somewhere, and an updated file is > ignored. The same as when the template was being drawn from the database. Are you just updating the file /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/testlist.example.com/en/list:user:notice:welcome.txt with nothing in Postorius and either no entry at all in the mailman.template table with name = 'list:user:notice:welcome' context = 'testlist.example.com' or if there is such an entry, with uri = 'file:///opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/testlist.example.com/en/list:use…' If so, editing the file /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/testlist.example.com/en/list:user:notice:welcome.txt should work. > Restarting mailman3 and mailmanweb didn't help, neither did rebooting > the server. > > Looking at Gunicorn status, I see a failing connection to 127.0.0.1 > which is the error message I was getting when adding a new subscriber - > with the custom Welcome template in the database (which is why I moved > it to file). > > 127.0.0.1 and locahost are in the ALLOWED_HOSTS and CSRF_TRUSTED_ORIGINS > of the settings.py file > > I'm at a loss with this caching problem. Any other clues happily received. If as I say above, there is no entry in the mailman.template table for the name and context or if there is an entry with uri = 'file:///opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/testlist.example.com/en/list:use…', then gunicorn and mailman-web are not involved at all - mailman core will get the template from the file directly. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Default values for new lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/10/20 11:16 PM, hansen(a)rc.org wrote: > I just moved from MM2 to MM3. I have some 50 lists I need to configure and they all need the same settings (private archives, max 2 recipients, etc.). I often add and remove lists. I'm pleased that I now can set domain-level templates, but I really need domain-level default list settings as well. > The archived 'Deault values for new lists' thread indicates that a new version is needed to get this into the UI. Is there a back-door way to alter these defaults in the mean-time? For lists you import from Mailman 2.1 using the `mailman import21` command, the Mailman 2.1 list settings are applied to the Mailman 3 list. As far as new lists you create in MM 3 goes, you can define more styles to be applied to newly created lists. See <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/styles/docs/styles.html>. However, you can't just create a style via `mailman shell` as described there because it won't persist. You need to create a plugin that implements the style. See <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/plugins/docs/intro.html> for info on this. Note the Components section discusses adding a plugin implementing an IRule, but one implementing one or more IStyle classes would be similar. Another possibility, which I haven't tested but which may work is to create Mailman 2.1 lists with the desired styles, but no members, owners, moderators, etc and save their config.pck files. Then you should be able to apply those settings to a Mailman 3 list using the `mailman import21` command. This will probably still require fixing some things on the MM 3 list such as Description, Information, Display name and Subject prefix, but it may help. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: Attachement processings questions

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/3/20 4:27 AM, Lars Schimmer wrote: > > In a mailinglist it seems some mails are not forwarded to a member, but > is listed in archive in hyperkitty. > That mail did include a PDF attachement, but HyperKitty does not list > any attachement. There are two issues here. Why wasn't the message delivered to list members?, and why is there no attachment in Hyperkitty? For the first issue, you need to examine mailman.log for the time of the post looking for errors and tracebacks. Also, the MTA logs may have useful info if the messages were sent but not delivered. For the second, there are many content filtering settings not (yet) exposed in Postorius. These include filter_extensions, filter_types, pass_extensions and pass_types which control which MIME parts are removed. For a newly created Mailman 3 list, these four settings are empty, but importing a Mailman 2.1 list will set them according to the corresponding MM 2.1 list's settings. > All I found was "convert HTML to plaintext", but does this setting > remove attachements? It would only affect HTML parts, not pdfs. > Is there any generel documentation about attachement processing in MM3? <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/handlers/docs/filterin…>. > I would like this mailinglist to accept mails with attachements, send it > to the members and archvie the attachments in HyperKitty, to. You can set Settings -> Alter Messages -> Filter content to No in Postorius to not do any content filtering at all. This will override the Collapse alternatives and Convert html to plaintext settings and pass the message without removing any MIME parts. But, I think you must have other issues, either with this mail in particular or in general as evidenced by the mail not being received by list members. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 auto-disabling of subscriptions

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/16/23 20:04, Mike Wertheim wrote: > Thanks for the response. > > A while back I experimented with enabling verp-probes. The users on the > list were confused by the probe emails and sent me a lot of messages asking > about them, so I disabled it. But at least their delivery wasn't being disabled because the probes weren't being bounced. Further, the first sentence in the body of the probe is "This is a probe message. You can ignore this message." If you think the probe could be more explanatory, you can always set a list:user:notice:probe template to say what you want. > There is zero spam on the list. Ill try reducing "bounce info stale after" > to "2d". (Actually, would "1d" be even better?) Suppose you set it to 1d. This means that in order for a true bouncing user to have delivery disabled with threshold = 5 There have to be posts every day for 5 consecutive days. If it's set to 2d, there can only be one day out of 6 with no posts for a true bouncing user's delivery to be disabled. If you can't guarantee that condition, you might as well just set Process Bounces to No. I would ensure Notify owner on bounce increment and Notify owner on disable are set to Yes. Then, assuming Mailman core >= 3.3.5, when users scores are incremented the owner will get a notice containing the bounce DSN. With that information, you can figure out why these valid addresses are bouncing the mail. Or, if the bounces occur during your outgoing SMTP, your MTA logs will have the reason. Given that information, you may be able to fix whatever is causing the delivery issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman stopping message distribution because of SMTP errors

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/11/20 10:28 PM, Victoriano Giralt wrote: > > I have recently migrated some lists from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3. Users have > been added using the mailman client as pre-verified addresses so the > migration happened "silently". Thus, there was a dozen "bad" addresses > (domains that did not exist anymore). It seems you rolled your own instead of using `mailman import21`. Is there a reason for this? > Unfortunately, Mailman got some of the "bad" addresses in the first message > batch for sending out, so, Postfix closed the connection because of "too > many errors" and this stopped the process completely, i.e. Mailman did not > continue sending messages to the rest of the list over 600 addresses. Is the message shunted? Is there a traceback and a shunting message in mailman.log? Normally, I would expect the message to be queued in Mailman's retry queue and retried by Mailman > There was no more information in the logs than the Postfix error messages > in smtp.log. What was in the smtp.log? Nothing in mailman.log? Nothing in var/queue/shunt? > Once the "bad" addresses were removed, the list started working as > expected. > > I consider this a bug. The bouncing addresses should have been marked as > "non deliverable" and the subscriptions "paused" and the rest should have > been delivered. Or, the list owner should have been notified that there was > a problem with message distribution. None of these happened. The HEAD of the https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman master branch implements bounce processing. This will be in 3.3.1 which is not yet released. The place for a bug report is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Service Unavailable

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/25/21 9:38 AM, dancab(a)caltech.edu wrote: > Mark, > > Is it only this list that has an issue? > > Yes, this is the only list that is having the issue. > > Can you visit other pages for this list? > > Yes, I'm able to view the members list, list settings, templates, etc. > > I've restarted the service and tried to access the held messages for the list once again. Here's what is in the mailman log. > > > ERROR 2021-02-25 17:28:14,197 393 postorius Mailman REST API not available > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/opt/mailmanve/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 706, in urlopen > chunked=chunked, > File "/opt/mailmanve/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 445, in _make_request > six.raise_from(e, None) > File "<string>", line 3, in raise_from > File "/opt/mailmanve/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 440, in _make_request > httplib_response = conn.getresponse() > File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/http/client.py", line 1346, in getresponse > response.begin() > File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/http/client.py", line 307, in begin > version, status, reason = self._read_status() > File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/http/client.py", line 276, in _read_status > raise RemoteDisconnected("Remote end closed connection without" > http.client.RemoteDisconnected: Remote end closed connection without response This is from Django's log. What's in Mailman core's mailman.log? Since everything else is accessing the REST API with no problem, I think core must be stuck on something and timing out. Is there a time delay between trying to get the held messages view and the "Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core." response? Also is there a non-zero count in the badge on the Held messages tab? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: update_index_one_list in parallel?

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/28/19 3:44 AM, Szymon Sokół wrote: > > Now, however, I have noticed that indexing my archives in hyperkitty (using "manage.py update_index_one_list" for each list in sequence) takes quite a lot of time while using only one CPU (out of 4). Hence my question - is it safe to run several such processes in parallel, and if so, will it have any benefits? I have no idea how locking on the database is done in this code, maybe I'll end up running the jobs in sequence anyway due to exclusive locks… Any informed answers will be appreciated. As Abhilash says, we really haven't tried. You could try running more than one "manage.py update_index_one_list" for different lists in parallel and see how it goes. I suspect it depends on the Haystack backend. Whoosh tends to be used because it's pure Python and installable with pip, but again as Abhilash says, we have recently converted to elasticsearch. There are some issues with that both due to the fact that elasticsearch runs as a separate service on the host, and we are using elasticsearch 5, the Haystack support for which is still developmental (and the current elasticsearch version is 7), but for example, indexing 180,000+ messages on mail.python.org takes 15 minutes elapsed time (about 14 minutes CPU) with elasticsearch which is an order of magnitude faster than the multiple hours it took with Whoosh. On the other hand, this only affects search in HyperKitty, and you didn't have archive search in Mailman 2.1, so if it takes an extra day to get it working in HyperKitty, it's probably not a big deal. You could just migrate all your lists and when done, run manage.py rebuild_index & and just let it run in the background until it's done. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: non-member moderation: list default vs default processing

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/24/21 10:46 AM, dancab(a)caltech.edu wrote: > Sorry for any confusion. I'm specifically referring to addresses configured as "accept_these_nonmembers" in Mailman2. Upon importing to Mailman3 I see the moderation setting for most of those non-members as "Default Processing -- run additional checks and accept the message." This is the correct result for an imported address from accept_these_nonmembers. > However, I've seen a few others set with the moderation option as "List default -- follow the list's default member action." after migrating to Mailman3. In our case that means "Hold for moderation". So we've had a couple of incidents where a user that was able to email the list just fine via Mailman2 is unable to message the list once migrated to Mailman3. > > I'll try importing more lists to look for some kind of pattern now that I'm aware of this happening. Yes. importing an address from accept_these_nonmembers should not result in a non-member with moderation_action = List Default. If you send me a config.pck that you imported that resulted in this, I'll investigate further, or perhaps you can identify the conditions that cause this. One thing you might look at is whether the affected addresses were previously imported as members or non-members of another list. Also, I don't know if this is possible given your list create/import scenario, but if there is a window between list creation and the import, if the non-member posts during that window, a non-member record will be created with moderation_action = List Default and the import won't change that. If this is the case, the import will print <address> is already imported with role MemberRole.nonmember for each such address. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Dealing with spam from Web users

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/1/23 08:09, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > We recently migrated a bunch of lists from 2.1 to 3.3.7 and have > started to get spammers posting via HyperKitty (because I guess > that's easier for them than SMTP). It looks like I should be able to > set posts from HyperKitty to be automatically moderated by creating > a header filter on "User-Agent" matching "HyperKitty" but is there a > better/easier way? Typically, these would be non-members posting from HyperKitty and then being automatically subscribed. Set `Default action to take when a member posts to the list` to `Hold for moderation` so that all posts from members you haven't seen before are held. Then when handling a held post, if it is spam set the posters moderation action to discard and discard the message; if it is on topic, set the posters moderation action to default processing and accept the message. > Also, for things which already went out to the list, obviously I can > ban the spammer but what's the cleanest solution for removing > their posts from list archives so that we don't further their goals > by continuing to publish their handiwork? List owners should be able to delete messages and threads from HyperKitty, but they can't. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/261>. You need to be a superuser to do this. If you are logged in as a user with Superuser status there will be a `Delete this thread` link in the thread view and a `Delete this message` link in the message view. You can use the `django-admin createsuperuser` command to create superusers. Also, anyone who is a superuser can set this for any user via the Django admin web UI. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Change base mailman URL path

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/6/23 20:07, chad.hays86(a)gmail.com wrote: > Hi, I recently completed the a Mailman3 install using these[1] instructions. I'm able to access the web interface, the Django admin app, etc off the root domain URL. For example: https://mydomain.org/mailman3, https://mydomain.org/admin, https://mydomain.org/archives > > What's the most straightforward way to put all of these URL paths behind a different context? For example: https://mydomain.org/lists/mailman3, https://mydomain.org/lists/admin, https://mydomain.org/lists/archives > > I'm running Apache2 as my web server and am using mod_proxy to proxy requests to uwsgi. There are two pieces to this: For the Django side, copy /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.x/site-packages/mailman_web/urls.py to /etc/mailman3/urls.py where python3.x is the python version in your venv and edit that file as in ``` 30,34c30,34 < path('mailman3/', include('postorius.urls')), < path('archives/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), < path('', include('django_mailman3.urls')), < path('accounts/', include('allauth.urls')), < path('admin/', admin.site.urls), --- > path('lists/mailman3/', include('postorius.urls')), > path('lists/archives/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), > path('lists/', include('django_mailman3.urls')), > path('lists/accounts/', include('allauth.urls')), > path('lists/admin/', admin.site.urls), ``` and add the following to /etc/mailman3/settings.py ROOT_URLCONF = 'urls' Then for the apache side, it depends what you have for your ProxyPass directives are. If you have several like ``` ProxyPass "/mailman3" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/mailman3" ProxyPass "/archives" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives" ... ``` change those to ``` ProxyPass "/lists/mailman3" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/lists/mailman3" ProxyPass "/lists/archives" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/lists/archives" ``` If you have just one like ``` ProxyPass "/" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/" ``` change it to ``` ProxyPass "/lists" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/lists" ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: No e-mail distribution after import of archive

by Markus Grandpré

Dear Mr Sapiro, thank you so much for your advice: > Check ownership and permissions on everything in var/templates/ fixed the issue. All pending email has been delivered immediately after i changed ownership on our Debian12 server: # chown list:list /var/lib/mailman3/templates -R Best regards, Markus Grandpré Am 11/12/24 um 22:45 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 11/11/24 23:33, Markus Grandpré wrote: >> Dear Mr. Sapiro, >> >> on our test system we noticed the problem that after importing a mailing list archive from a Mailman system v2.1 into >> a Mailman system v3.3.8, e-mails are no longer distributed via this mailing list. E-mails that are written to the list >> find their way into the archive, but they are not sent to any member of the list. >> >> Before the archive was imported, writing an e-mail to the list and distributing this e-mail via the list was not a >> problem. Unfortunately, we cannot find any indication of this issue in the log of the mailman system v3.3.8. Please >> help us to further analyze and solve this problem, as we are planning to import 188 archives into our new productive >> mailman system v3.3.8 during the next months. > > Nothing in HyperKitty should affect Mail delivery from the list. The symptom you see could result in a file in Mailman's > mailman/templates/lists/<THIS.LISTS.ID>/<LC>/ directory not being readable by the Mailman user. Check ownership and > permissions on everything in var/templates/ > > See the latter part of the thread at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/ > KGYZXN2QP3RWRZOQKLHD2MKUSI7H2W6B/ > > Note that if this is the issue, something other than hyperkitty_import did it. > -- Markus Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Invalid FilterAction: discard. Treating as discard

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/12/19 1:46 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: > > The difference was that list(m.pass_types) is [] > > Now, setting > > m.pass_types = ['multipart', 'message/rfc822', 'text/plain', 'text/html', 'application/pdf', 'application/nappdf', 'application/x-pdf', 'application/rtf', 'application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.spreadsheet', 'application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.sheet', 'application/vnd.ms-excel', 'application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text', 'application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document', 'application/msword'] > > on the new testlist and resending the mail again, the mail still came out intact. > > So I guess the problem must be something complete different. > > Also I wonder why a newly created list accepts the PDF in question, when list(m.pass_types) is []. You need to look at all of pass_types, filter_types, pass_extensions and filter_extensions for both lists. For a newly created list, these are all empty. They work as in Mailmam 2.1 and are imported from the similarly named 2.1 attributes by `mailman import21`. In brief if filter_content is True, processing is: 1. If a part's MIME type is in filter_types it is removed. 2. If pass_types is not empty and a part's MIME type is not in pass_types it is removed. 3. If a part has a file name and the file name extension is in filter_extensions it is removed. 4. If a part has a file name and pass_extensions is not empty and the part's file name extension is not in pass_extensions it is removed. So in your case of the list that doesn't work, possibilities are: 1. The PDF part's MIME type is in filter_types, or 2. The PDF part has a file name whose extension is in filter_extensions, or 3. pass_extensions is non-empty and The PDF part has a file name whose extension is not in pass_extensions. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Help with fresh debian install

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/5/19 11:30 AM, Mark Dadgar wrote: > > Running the commands as the correct user solved my issues. Specially, I ran the import21 command as the “list” user (created by the debian/ubuntu package) and the hyperkitty import command as the “www-data” user. I had to add login shells to the passwd entries for those users to make it happen as they get installed with nologin. You could just run, e.g., `sudo -u list bin/mailman import21 ...` which will work even if 'list' can't log in. > I imported a 24G archive inbox and something went wrong along the way - the archives for many months consist of just a single identical thread. Re-running the import results in the following in just a few seconds: ... > Any thoughts on how I can re-run the full import to make sure that all the archives are present? As far as reimporting the entire archive, you need the --since option. As it says in hyperkitty_import --help > --since SINCE only import emails later than this date. Defaults to > the date of the newest message in the existing archive > if any. If you run hyperkitty_import --since=1990-01-01, that should do it. As far as "the archives for many months consist of just a single identical thread", were there error messages when you ran the initial import? Were there issues in the imported mbox that you have corrected? Mailman 2.1's bin/cleanarch can help identify unescaped 'From ' lines that cause problems. If unescaped 'From ' lines is the issue and you have fixed them, rerunning the import should import the messages correctly, but it won't delete the bogus threads. You can delete these threads manually in HyperKitty if you are logged in as a Django superuser. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Active archivers and archiving and thread question.

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/31/22 04:39, bob B via Mailman-users wrote: > Thanks, that make sense, Also is there any way to turn that off via command line for a bunch of lists or just in the GUi, I looked at "'mailman shell --details:" but could not find a command to turn it off. > > I had archives off on my lists in mailman 2, and when I import they stayed off, but the archiver is enabled. The HyperKitty and Prototype archivers are enabled by default for new and imported lists. To change that, add ``` [archiver.hyperkitty] enable: no [archiver.prototype] enable: no ``` to mailman.cfg. > I have a script that pulls all the list configs > "curl --user *******:******* http://127.0.0.1:##/3.1/lists/"$i"/config | python3 -m json.tool >> ${OUTPUT_DATA_DIR}/listconfigs.txt > > Then I look to see if any list has changed this setting "archive_policy": "never", so I know if any list admin has enabled archives... > > But is there a setting in the config that shows if the archiver got turned on? I want to know if anyone turns it on after I turn it off You can do the following in `mailman shell` ``` $ mm/bin/mailman shell Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. >>>for mlist in getUtility(IListManager): ... print(mlist.display_name) ... print(f' ArchivePolicy was {mlist.archive_policy}') ... if mlist.archive_policy != ArchivePolicy.never: ... mlist.archive_policy = ArchivePolicy.never ... print(' set to ArchivePolicy.never') ... aset = IListArchiverSet(mlist) ... for ar in aset.archivers: ... if ar.is_enabled: ... ar.is_enabled = False ... print(f' Archiver {ar.name} was enabled; set disabled') ... >>> commit() ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Error while mass operation, no progress display while mass operation is running

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/6/25 04:53, Markus Grandpré wrote: > > At the University of Konstanz we have mailing list administrators who > frequently add and remove up to 10000 (and sometimes more) list members. > I have therefore tested the “Mass subscription” and “Mass removal” > operations and found that both the “Remove ALL members” operation and > the “Mass subscription” operation report an internal server error on the > website, but continue to run in the background until all new members > have been successfully added or deleted. The internal server error is probably due to the wsgi server timing out waiting for a response. See https://docs.gunicorn.org/en/stable/settings.html#timeout for Gunicorn or https://uwsgi-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Options.html#harakiri for uWSGI > Unfortunately, I have not found > any error message in the log files. If you are using uWSGI, a harakiri timeout should be logged in uWSGI's log. > I also tested that mass operations > “Remove listed users” and “Remove Selected” ran successfully and without > any errors. You may want to increase the appropriate timeout and see if that helps. > Regardless of whether a mass operation process runs without errors or > continues to run despite an error, I find it hard that Postorius does > not display the progress of such a mass operation in order to monitor > the process, as mass operations with more than 1000 members are very > time-consuming. Perhaps this could be changed in a future version of > Postorius? This is a reasonable request. The best place for such a request is https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/new Requests and suggestions on the mailing list, no matter how reasonable, get lost over time. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

11 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot Run Web Frontend

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/24/25 08:14, dap1--- via Mailman-users wrote: > How do I tell if mailman-web is running? There is no such service. In this case, the mailman-web service is gunicorn. > /etc/mailman3/gunicorn.py (recall I had to use py rather than conf to get it to work under Ubuntu): It should have worked as gunicorn.conf despite the warning (not error) that it didn't have a .py extension. > # /etc/mailman3/gunicorn.conf > # # > bind = ['127.0.0.1:8000'] > proc_name = "mailman-web" > # # If you are having response issues you can tune the number of workers. > # # The suggested starting point is (2 x $num_cores) + 1 > # # See https://docs.gunicorn.org/en/latest/design.html#how-many-workers > workers = 3 > chdir = "/opt/mailman/mm" > pidfile = "/opt/mailman/mm/var/gunicorn.pid" > accesslog = "/opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/access.log" > errorlog = "/opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/error.log" > loglevel = 'debug' > > I did notice one thing in the access.log that is wrong: > > 127.0.0.1 - - [24/Nov/2025:16:02:55 +0000] "GET /archives/api/mailman/urls?mlist=lllllllllll%40dddddd.net&msgid=705caa > ab-afcc-4249-8d1d-cc48050d02d1%40bellsouth.net HTTP/1.1" 200 113 "-" "python-requests/2.32.5" This request came from HyperKitty. > The mlist name is wrong. It should be lllllllllll%40gmail.com. I don't know where that is coming from but I'm sure it is left over from before I changed the list name. To you have a hyperkitty list named lllllllllll%40dddddd.net. What does SELECT name FROM hyperkitty_mailinglist; show? > When I include the port in the URL I get an unable to connect page. So nothing is listening on 127.0.0.1:8000 (localhost:8000 assuming the `localhost` is 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts and not an IPv6 fe00::0 address) What if any does `netstat -lntp` show is listening on 127.0.0.1:8000? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Strange issue with bounce processing

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/25/20 6:36 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > Dear List, > > First of all Merry Christmas to those of you that are observing it. > > I have an issue on one of my Mailman 3 servers. The bounce runner is not > running, even after restarting mailman core. All the other runners are > working fine. Here is the problem, after restarting it, a number of > messages show up in queue/bounces from a single list. What happens if instead of restating core, you stop and then start it? > However the bounce > runner is still not running. So I remove these messages from > queue/bounces folder and restart mailman core. The same messages show up > from the same single list again in queue/bounces. In the > var/logs/bounce.log file, addresses from this list are being logged as > being removed after starting mailman core. They correlate with the > messages showing up in queue/bounces. Bounce runner doesn't actually do much with received/queued bounces. It just gets the bounce and stores a bounce event in in the bounceevent table in the database. It then periodically processes the unprocessed events in the bounceevent table. See <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs…>. > I assume these "cached" bounces are what is interfering with the running > of the bounce runner. I don't see anything in the mailman or > mailmansuite log that would explain this behavior. How can I fix this? I don't really understand what's going on. The only messages which get queued in queue/bounces/ are messages to the LIST-bounces address delivered from the MTA, unless possibly they are somehow in queue/retry/ and being retried. What do you see in the MTA logs? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: new list not working

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/10/23 05:07, Christian via Mailman-users wrote: > There are no such messages as you describe. > > After turning on debugging I got this from a test message sent to the new > list: > > Mar 10 04:39:51 2023 (1005) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) > PLAIN(builtin) > Mar 10 04:39:51 2023 (1005) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 51982) > Mar 10 04:39:51 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 51982) handling connection > Mar 10 04:39:51 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 51982) >> b'LHLO > zarathustra.ccalternatives.org' > Mar 10 04:39:51 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 51982) >> b'MAIL > FROM:<christian(a)naturalintelligence.us> SIZE=3499' > Mar 10 04:39:51 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 51982) sender: > christian(a)naturalintelligence.us > Mar 10 04:39:51 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 51982) >> b'RCPT > TO:<redlatinleg(a)lists.ccalternatives.org>' > Mar 10 04:39:51 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 51982) recip: > redlatinleg(a)lists.ccalternatives.org > Mar 10 04:39:51 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 51982) >> b'DATA' > Mar 10 04:39:51 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 51982) >> b'QUIT' > Mar 10 04:39:51 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 51982) connection lost > Mar 10 04:39:51 2023 (1005) ('127.0.0.1', 51982) Connection lost during > _handle_client() Again, that's only the post being delivered to Mailman. What comes after that in the log? And have you checked if Mailman's out runner is running? Note that if it died for some reason and wasn't restarted or used up its restarts, restarting Mailman core won't start it. You need to stop Mailman core and then start it. Are there files in mailman's var/queue/out/ or var/queue/shunt/ directories? You say that only the new list and one other have this issue, but I wonder if the issue is not with specific lists, but rather with posts after a certain time. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[Test]What does HyperKitty do with HTML and images

by Mark Sapiro

8 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Splitting hosts: mta&core vs postorius

by Mark Sapiro

I've created https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/735 for this and I've also done an experiment and found what I think is a workaround. If you set ``` [webservice] hostname: greyarea-post.cam.ivimey.org ``` or maybe just `greyarea-post` would do, and then add to `/etc/hosts` on `greyarea-post` ``` 0.0.0.0 greyarea-post.cam.ivimey.org ``` or whatever name you used for `hostname` this will get gunicorn to bind to the public interface and will include the proper hostname in the `self_link` responses.

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: digest summary heavily cluttered with hrml code

by Mark Sapiro

There was some off list back and forth about this, but this is actually a known issue, <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/473>. The avoidance is to subscribe to MIME format digests or to adjust the list's content filtering so filtered messages are plain text only.

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: troubleshooting hyperkitty

by Mark Sapiro

Morris Jones wrote: > So this part is all set, it would seem ... > [archive.hyperkitty] > class: mailman_hyperkitty.Archiver > enable: yes > configuration: /opt/mailman/var/etc/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg That should be [archiver.hyperkitty], not [archive.hyperkitty]. Is that the issue or a typo in your email?

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Footer

by Eric Broens

Thanks Mark! Best Regards,Eric On Saturday, February 6, 2021, 10:01:22 PM GMT+1, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: On 2/6/21 12:50 PM, Eric Broens via Mailman-users wrote: > > Do I need to install/configure something additionally to get a process listening on port 8000? No, you need to set POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL to a url that works to get to Postorius. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius upgrade issue

by Mark Sapiro

I neglected to mention `migrate`. All 4 Django management commands, `collectstatic`, `compress`, `compilemessages` and `migrate` should be run after any upgrade.

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Documentation for transferiering a list between mm3 and mm3

by Johannes Winter

Am Fri, 26 Feb 2021 11:21:25 -0800 schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > On 2/26/21 11:03 AM, Morris Jones wrote: > > On 2/26/2021 10:55 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > Would it be unreasonable to do a database dump on the old instance > > and a restore on the new one? > > > The question is transferring a `list`. I took that to mean > transferring one of multiple lists to another installation which may > also have other lists. Yes, indeed, that was the question. Thank you for the answers!

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Service Unavailable

by Mark Sapiro

I just tested this with the heads of the GitLab branches for Postorius and Mailman core, and I don't see this issue. I did see an issue in that if the footer template did not end with a newline, the footer wasn't added, but I didn't see any looping behavior. With a Postorius template, what do you get from ``` curl -o - https://example.com/postorius/api/templates/list/listname.example.com/list:… ```

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: postfix malformed address with confirm replies

by Mark Sapiro

Just to complete this thread, the GitLab issue is https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/836. The issue is fixed in aiosmtpd 1.4.1 and the solution for Mailman is to upgrade aiosmtpd to 1.4.1 or later.

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: [EXTERNAL] [Mailman-Users] Re: Help with 'The message has no valid senders'

by Mark Sapiro

It turns out that there were two bugs involved: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/903 and https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/904, both now fixed for the next release of Mailman 3.

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: New messages not being archived

by Mark Sapiro

Sarah H wrote: > The site is behind a proxy, yes. apache serves the client site redirecting 80 to 443 and serving SSL for the site then proxying to Nginx for postorius/hyperkitty at 8080. I've also tried going straight to 8080 bypassing the proxy internally using localhost or loopback to the same end result. But then Nginx then proxies to Django (via uWsgi or Gunicorn or ?) at probably port 8000. Have you tried setting base_url to `http://127.0.0.1:8000/hyperkitty/`?

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problems with signed messages from Apple Mail

by Mark Sapiro

We have done some more investigation on this. The message defect is `InvalidMultipartContentTransferEncodingDefect()` This is caused by the presence of a Content-Transfer-Encoding: header in the headers of the multipart/signed part. This has been observed with macOS 12.0.1, Mail.app Version 15.0 (3693.20.0.1.32), and GPG Mail 6.0. We don't know if this applies to all PGP signed mail from Apple Mail 15.0 (3693.20.0.1.32) or only mail signed by GPG Mail 6.0. The issue affects more than Mailman. In my case Thunderbird won't display the message body of such messages. I have reported this to Apple, but have gotten no response so far.

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Still unable to get mailman3 working on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS

by Mark Sapiro

Actually, I misspoke. There is one more step from mailman-post-update that is important. You need to run ``` /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin migrate ``` to run all the django migrations. This may also avoid the ``` django.db.utils.ProgrammingError: relation "hyperkitty_email" does not exist LINE 1: SELECT COUNT(*) AS "__count" FROM "hyperkitty_email" ``` error.

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: Issues with international characters (replaced by ?) when mail is send as text/html

by Michal Soltys

On 22/01/12 00:59, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 1/11/22 2:08 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> No, this is a bug. It has to do with message decoration (adding of >> headers and footers). You can probably avoid this issue by setting the >> list's filter_content and convert_html_to_plaintext to True. I am >> looking at why this occurs and fixing it. > > > > See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/967 which I just filed. > > Thanks for looking into it, meanwhile I'll try suggested workarounds.

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: Problems with shunted Mails

by Stephan Krinetzki

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 4/20/22 02:00, Stephan Krinetzki wrote: > > Mark Sapiro wrote: > > You might be able to fix this with something like > > for mbr in m.regular_members.members: > > ... if mbr.address is None: > > ... mbr.address = mbr.user.preferred_address or > > member.user.addresses[0] > > ... > > commit() > > This fix didn't worked. It returned a "Index out of bounds" exception. > > Apparently these Users have no associated Addresses at all. Do you have > any idea how these Users got created/subscribed to the list? Unfortunately not. We only see the result.

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Social signup?

by Mark Sapiro

Duane Raymond wrote: > Wow - thanks for the redirection on where to patch it and the first-cut > code. I'll look into this in 2 weeks when I am able to focus on it. I have submitted https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/merge_requests/198 for this. It is currently a draft because I'm looking for feedback on the specific wording.

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Alleviating confusion regarding"Subscription options" that are left unselected.

by Mark Sapiro

I have committed https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/812 to add the note to the user's list options page.

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Where to put static files referred to from list Info page?

by Greg Newby

On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 9:25 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > Mark Sapiro wrote: > > You could put them in Mailman's static/ directory and reference them > > with a /static/... URL. > > One caveat: if you run the mailman post-update command, it contains > > mailman-web collectstatic --clear --noinput --verbosity 0 > > and the --clear option will remove your added files. You could have > backups somewhere and copy them back after. > I'm glad you mentioned this. Thanks! ~ Greg

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: anomalous behavior

by Donato Molino

On Saturday 05 October 2024, alle 11:07, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/5/24 11:01, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > > Is there anything relevant in mailman.log? Are there messages in > > Mailman's shunt queue?. The fact that the message is archived means the > > issue is either in mailman/handlers/to_outgoing.py or > > mailman/runners/outgoing.py Great Mark! They were the permissions of /var/lib/mailman3/templates/lists I changed them from root:root to list:list and now work perfectly A thousand thanks Donato

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: possible backscatter attack using Mailman3 servers

by Mark Sapiro

David Newman wrote: > > I have made this change. As for not having web accounts, this just means > new users cannot sign up to manage their Mailman settings, correct? I > presume existing web accounts will continue to work. That's correct.

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: The paradox of VERP probe messages

by Jeremy Stanley

On 2025-01-29 19:26:30 -0000 (-0000), Mark Sapiro wrote: > Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > > You could submit an issue at > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/new to make this configurable. > > I did this. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1195 Thanks! I would have been happy to file it, just hadn't gotten a free moment yet. -- Jeremy Stanley

11 months, 4 weeks

[Test] Re: mailman-users@mailman3.org

by Mark Sapiro

On 04/05/2016 09:09 AM, Simon Hanna wrote: > There are a couple of issues that would be nice to fix first. Most of them have merge requests > pending with fixes that I think are ready for merging. I agree it would be 'nice' to have everything fixed first, but we've been promising this list since last year and it's time to eat our own dog food. > Postorius: > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/70 > All non ascii input shows up garbled upon saving in postorius. > The fix is in mailmanclient and I have a mr pending: > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailmanclient/merge_requests/10 > > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/93 > Isn't really a bug, but it looks weird and has a merge request pending > > > This one doesn't affect users (admins only) but already has a merge request: > https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/117 I have the patch from this MR installed. > https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/20 > Not important if all lists will have public archives, otherwise this should be fixed first It will have public archives. > And Hyperkitty: > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/23 > This will affect users, the bug has a merge request pending I've patched this one too. > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/76 > Just found it, shouldn't be caused by normal navigation though so it's not that important > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/29 > It's a nasty bug but we can live without fixing it for now Yes, and I've looked into it some per my comments on the issue, but we'll live with it. > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/65 > It's not important if all lists that are created are sent an email immediately There is an archive. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: What is result of planned MM3 integrated installation at Pycon?

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/9/18 5:11 PM, Tom Browder wrote: > > Thanks, Mark. Will the release be pretty much a one-step affair for us > older folks without much energy? Probably not, but it depends at least in part on what you are currently running. There is a major change in that everything is now Python 3. This means that you now must run Django under Python 3 which probably entails changes to how the web server runs wsgi apps to support Python 3. Also, You can run Django versions 1.11.x, or 2.0.x, but Django 2.0.x requires you make changes to the Django config as in this diff. > --- a/mailman-suite_project/settings.py > +++ b/mailman-suite_project/settings.py > @@ -94,13 +94,12 @@ INSTALLED_APPS = ( > ) > > > -MIDDLEWARE_CLASSES = ( > +MIDDLEWARE = ( > 'django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', > 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', > 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', > 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', > 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', > - 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.SessionAuthenticationMiddleware', > 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', > 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', > 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', > --- a/mailman-suite_project/urls.py> +++ b/mailman-suite_project/urls.py > @@ -19,7 +19,7 @@ > > from django.conf.urls import include, url > from django.contrib import admin > -from django.core.urlresolvers import reverse_lazy > +from django.urls import reverse_lazy > from django.views.generic import RedirectView > > urlpatterns = [ > @@ -31,5 +31,5 @@ urlpatterns = [ > url(r'', include('django_mailman3.urls')), > url(r'^accounts/', include('allauth.urls')), > # Django admin > - url(r'^admin/', include(admin.site.urls)), > + url(r'^admin/', admin.site.urls), > ] I.e., the name MIDDLEWARE_CLASSES is changed to MIDDLEWARE and the obsolete django.contrib.auth.middleware.SessionAuthenticationMiddleware has to be removed; the reverse_lazy import is changed and include(admin.site.urls) becomes just admin.site.urls -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: non-members issue with held email

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/20/21 2:09 AM, Lars Schimmer wrote: > > We created a new mailinglist, added 3 owner and several members. > Now we want some email addresses to post to that list but not receive > mails from the list. So I added those to the "non-member" area of the > mailinglist and checked every non-member to "acceppt at once". > > But on a test, a email address, which is owner AND non-member, cannot > send to mailinglist, always get a "HOLD: ...... The message is not from > a list member" See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/659 If you read through the comment thread, you'll see that the issue is when setting moderation action for an address which is both an owner and a nonmember, it is the owner's action that actually gets set, so that the nonmember's action remains set to list default. You need to set the moderation action for the nonmember via `mailman shell`. If all the non-members are the ones you added, you can do ``` $ mailman shell -l your.list.id Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. The variable 'm' is the ... mailing list >>> for nonmember in m.nonmembers.members: ... nonmember.moderation_action = Action.accept ... >>> commit() ``` If there are other nonmembers whose action you don't want to set to accept, you need to do something like ``` >>> emails = ['first(a)example.com', 'second(a)example.com', <more emails>, ] >>> for nonmember in m.nonmembers.members: ... if nonmember.address.email in emails: ... nonmember.moderation_action = Action.accept ... >>> commit() ``` to only do the ones you want. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Can't subscribe on new site/domain

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/10/25 3:46 PM, Flo via Mailman-users wrote: > > I found it, it's in a different directory: > > /var/lib/mailman3/web# sqlite3 mailman3web.db > SQLite version 3.46.1 2024-08-13 09:16:08 > Enter ".help" for usage hints. > sqlite> SELECT * from django_mailman3_maildomain JOIN django_site ON > site_id = django_site.id; > ... > ... > 8|lists.example.com|7|7|Lists of Example|lists.example.com > sqlite> > > The two working domains are first (...) . The problematic domain > (renamed to lists.example.com) appears when I create it in Postorius. > > For me the only conspicuous is that the numbers are 8|.|7|7 while at the > other two entries they are the same for the whole line: 2|.|2|2 and 4|.| > 4|4 . The fields in order are: 1. the id of the django_mailman3_maildomain entry 2. the mail_domain in the django_mailman3_maildomain entry 3. the site_id the django_mailman3_maildomain entry 4. the id of the django-site entry 5. the domain name in the django-site entry 6. the display name in the django-site entry The important things are 2. and 5. which are the mail host and the web host that you see in the Postorius domains view. 3. and 4. are what we joined on so they will always be the same. They aren't related to 1. which is just sequentially assigned when entries are created. 1., 3. and 4. being equal in some cases is a coincidence. The question is what are the other 2 entries. In particular are all 3 values for 2. different and all 3 values for 5. different or are some the same? If 2 of those entries have the same value for 5. and different values for 2., that explains the issue when accessing Postorius at 5. because that web host does not have a unique mail host. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Rafael Mora

Ok, I'll install whoosh on env2 Thanks El vie., 21 jul. 2017 a las 16:32, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) escribió: > On 07/21/2017 02:27 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > > > it says it needs whoosh > > > > How do I install that? on env2 with python2 or env with python3 ??? > > > In env2 do 'pip install whoosh' > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

8 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: statistics monitoring for Mailman3

by Seth Seeger

> On Mar 12, 2021, at 12:10 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 3/11/21 8:05 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> The data are in Mailman's smtp.log, but I'm not aware of anyone who's >> written anything to analyze it. It would be fairly easy to do depending >> on exactly what you want. > > > You inspired me. See <https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/smtp_report>. I get the following error: File "./smtp_report", line 44 print(f' {lname}: {tot}') ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax I'm running python3 (3.5.3), and I'm afraid I don't know enough python to know what's wrong. Thanks, Seth

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Attack on Mailman Server?

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/9/23 12:34, Eggert Ehmke via Mailman-users wrote: > In the log file there are several entries like this: > > > ERROR 2023-03-09 13:09:34,066 53357 django.request Internal Server Error: /accounts/ > signup/ > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", > line 47, in inner > response = get_response(request) > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line > 181, in _get_response > response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/views/generic/base.py", line > 70, in view > return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/utils/decorators.py", line 43, in > _wrapper > return bound_method(*args, **kwargs) > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/decorators.py", line 18, in > wrap > resp = ratelimit.consume_or_429(request, action=action, **rl_kwargs) > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/allauth/ratelimit.py", line 77, in > consume_or_429 > return render(request, "429." + app_settings.TEMPLATE_EXTENSION, status=429) > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/shortcuts.py", line 19, in > render > content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request, using=using) > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/loader.py", line 61, in > render_to_string > template = get_template(template_name, using=using) > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/template/loader.py", line 19, in > get_template > raise TemplateDoesNotExist(template_name, chain=chain) > django.template.exceptions.TemplateDoesNotExist: 429.html > > So what is special about this 429.html? Django allauth is returning a 429 status because it is rate limiting due to too many requests in a short time (a bot accessing the signup page multiple times per second.) Allauth is telling Django to render a status=429 response using a 429.html template and Django can't find one. This would appear to be a django-allauth issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Phantom Email Address in Nonmember List

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/18/24 09:35, Steve Brown via Mailman-users wrote: > > Yes, that is what is happening, but only for messages from the steve@stevebrown address. I can send a screenshot and a .txt of the headers (of the message after sent back to me from MM3 and long!) but didn't see a way to do that on the archive page. Do I need to post from my gmail address? The usual behavior of most MUAs (mail clients) is to set the envelope sender to the same address as From:. In that case, you won't see an issue like this. In your case, when you send via tmdhosting servers, they set that odd bounce+... address as the envelope sender, presumably so they can do something in processing DSNs returned to that address. If you post the full headers of such a message from the list, either inline or as a .txt attachment, I'll look and say what I can. As far as getting headers from HyperKitty is concerned, if you click on a thread containing the message, there is a Download button which will produce a gzipped mbox containing the message(s) in that thread, but the headers are very minimal - only From:, To:, Subject:, Date:, Message-ID:, MIME-Version: and Content-Type:. There is also a From_ separator, but it contains the From: address, not the true envelope sender. > One clue I hadn't spotted before was a bodyhash_mismatch warning in the headers. No idea where that came from. Doesn't appear in emails from me to other addresses. Is that in Authentication-Results:? It is probably saying an original DKIM signature fails to verify because of a body mismatch which is expected if Mailman has filtered any MIME parts or added a message header or footer. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem upgrading from 2.1 to 3, dockerized

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/8/25 11:43, jesper.holck--- via Mailman-users wrote: > I recently followed the instructions here https://github.com/g4rf/dockerized-mailcow-mailman, and was able to create a new Mailman 3, Debian-based installation. I then followed the instructions here https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html in order to migrate from my old, Centos-based installation, to the new, Debian-based installation. It seemed to work well, but unfortunately a problem showed up. > > Whenever someone posted to one of the lists on the new installation, the messages were rejected by Postfix: > > postfix-mailcow-1 | Aug 5 20:55:48 ef2b760c2e61 postfix/cleanup[8681]: B7B856099EC: message-id=<A8946B8E-2A47-4701-9548-4544981FAC5E(a)gmail.com> > postfix-mailcow-1 | Aug 5 20:55:49 ef2b760c2e61 postfix/cleanup[8681]: B7B856099EC: milter-reject: END-OF-MESSAGE from unknown[172.22.1.1]: 5.7.1 This message does not meet our delivery requirements; from=<mylist-bounces(a)myserver.dk> to=<mylistuser1(a)gmail.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<[172.19.199.4]> > postfix-mailcow-1 | Aug 5 20:55:50 ef2b760c2e61 postfix/cleanup[8681]: 216D36099EC: message-id=<A8946B8E-2A47-4701-9548-4544981FAC5E(a)gmail.com> > postfix-mailcow-1 | Aug 5 20:55:50 ef2b760c2e61 postfix/cleanup[8681]: 216D36099EC: milter-reject: END-OF-MESSAGE from unknown[172.22.1.1]: 5.7.1 This message does not meet our delivery requirements; from=<mylist-bounces(a)myserver.dk> to=<mylistuser2(a)mail.dk> proto=ESMTP helo=<[172.19.199.4]> The above messages are not messages normally seen from Postfix. They apparently come from some mailcow milter. > So, for each of the existing lists, I had to delete the old list and create a new one - with the same name and the same users. After this, everything seems to work as expected. I can think of nothing that `mailman import21` would do that would be different from creating a list, configuring it and adding members. Since you are following a third party how-to, please see https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344 - perhaps reporting this at https://github.com/g4rf/dockerized-mailcow-mailman/issues would be appropriate. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Five Year Old Issue

by Brian Carpenter

On 3/14/21 8:10 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 3/14/21 5:07 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> It turns out Abhilash had done all the heavy lifting on this [1] but I didn't realize it because [2] hadn't been done. Since the rest was easy, [3] now fixes it. >> >> [1] https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/779 >> [2] https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/796 >> [3] https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/795 >> > > Ooops, [2] and [3] are reversed > > [2] https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/795 > [3] https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/796 > So this means the fix will show up in the next stable release? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman rewrite the Cc header incorrectly

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/26/20 9:10 PM, Alan So wrote: > Thanks again for the work and just notice that the issue has been closed already. Looks like unfolding the header line is a logical way but it seems that >=3.3 email package unfold the header before parsing the header according to the following python issue: > > https://bugs.python.org/issue11050 Yes, the issue is closed because the fix has been merged and will be in Mailman Core 3.3.2. I agree that it appears that there would have been no issue if Mailman created messages using the `SMTP` policy and retrieved the addresses using the `addresses` attribute of the headers. However, for historical reasons, Mailman Core still uses the `compat32` policy (Python 3.2 compatibility) and uses `email.utils.getaddresses()` to get the addresses from the header value, so the "fix" for <https://bugs.python.org/issue11050> doesn't apply. Changing Mailman Core to use email.EmailMessage() objects rather than the legacy email.Message() objects is a worthwhile goal, but would require extensive changes to fix all the things that broke as a result. Anyway, I really appreciate your diligence in following through repeatedly on this issue. Were it not for that, I wouldn't have been motivated to fix it. For a look at why even a trivial change is not trivial, see the commits at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/652/commits>. The first of these is developing good tests for the issue and then fixing the code so the tests pass, and the second, unanticipated one was due to the fact that Python 3.5 didn't maintain the original ordering of the addresses in Cc: so I couldn't compare against a fixed result. This is due to the fact that the underlying code uses dictionaries, and prior to Python 3.6 dictionaries didn't preserve order. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Improve logging?

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/31/23 00:40, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > Some entries in the log files can be very scary, while in actual sense they > are harmless. > Such inconsequential, but scary entiess can mess up the well-being of a > SysAdmin. > I humbly request for the logs related to posts by non-members to a MM3 list > to be improved a little bit :-) > Here is the example in mailman.log: > > <cut> > Jan 31 10:03:54 2023 (92481) DISCARD: < > 2a1c588a6ccd47abbf57ee5fc61c9946(a)phellineconsultancy.co.ke>; ['The message > is not from a list member'] > [31/Jan/2023:10:04:48 +0300] "GET > /3.1/users/1bad08f703fe4bc0a829f4bdce10fc8f HTTP/1.1" 200 253 "-" "GNU > Mailman REST client v3.3.5" > [31/Jan/2023:10:04:48 +0300] "GET > /3.1/users/1bad08f703fe4bc0a829f4bdce10fc8f/addresses HTTP/1.1" 200 473 "-" > "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.5" > Jan 31 10:18:09 2023 (92343) deque: do_confirm_verify > Traceback (most recent call last): > File > "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", > line 69, in __next__ > return step() > File > "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", > line 476, in _step_send_confirmation > raise StopIteration > StopIteration > </cut> > > Is there a possibility to change the logging engine to just *fold* the last > 7 lines into "The message is not from a list member. It was discarded", or > something close? No. This entry Jan 31 10:03:54 2023 (92481) DISCARD: <2a1c588a6ccd47abbf57ee5fc61c9946(a)phellineconsultancy.co.ke>; ['The message is not from a list member'] is a single entry about a discarded message. The next two are logging requests via the REST API that have nothing to do with the discard and are logged by a different module. The last entry with a traceback is yet another separate event. That one could probably be suppressed because raising StopIteration is a normal occurrence in workflow processing. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Disabled by bounce

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/17/23 13:39, denise.mcgeachy--- via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi all - new to this forum but am trying to work out a similar issue raised by a list member's IT department. I'm a bit out of my depth here and hoping you all can help. > > They have recommended: > > - When the mailing list relay an email from a member of the list to other members, the email from address should be the mailing list and not the user sending the original email. For example: list-name(a)mydomain.ca (on behalf of Sally Brown) > - The mailing list should not modify the original email and thus breaking the DKIM signature > > I have clicked the DMARC mitigation unconditionally option which seems to solve the second point but haven't managed to have it sent by the list name but not as suggested in the first point. I either get "my email via list(a)mylist.ca" or list(a)mylist.ca" > Is anyone aware of a setting to do this? Those two points are contradictory. You can't do both. Not modifying the message in ways that break DKIM requires no content filtering, no addition of list headers or footers and no munging of From: or Reply-To: headers. Normally the list will make some modification that will break DKIM signatures. If you set DMARC mitigation action to Replace From: with list address, and set DMARC Mitigate unconditionally, that should address the first point and individual messages from the list will be From the list and that's all you should need. For example, the message to which I'm replying is From: denise.mcgeachy--- via Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> While this is not identical to the format you quote, the address is the list's address which is the important thing. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: list footer questions

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/14/20 2:49 PM, Mohsen Masoudfar wrote: > > It is on Ubuntu18.04 and has been installed with Ubuntu package Mailman-full. There is no update available yet. So it looks like I cannot use the easy way of modifying the templates. > Question: Is there a way to achieve the same by updating the code? You don't have to modify code. You can set a footer in Mailman's file hierarchy. There is a var/templates directory, maybe somewhere like /var/lib/mailman/templates in the Ubuntu package. This directory can contain subdirectories lists, domains and site. These may or may not existb but the layout is the site directory contains subdirectories for language codes, i.e. 'en', 'fr', 'de', etc. The domains directory contains subdirectories for domains like 'example.com', example.net, etc. and those contain the language subdirectories. The lists directory contains subdirectories for lists like list.example.com and those contain the language subdirectories. Now when mailman is looking for a template, it looks in this hierarchy first, e.g. when looking for an English language footer for the list(a)example.com list for regular members it will look in this order: templates/lists/list.example.com/en/list:member:regular:footer.txt templates/domains/example.com/en/list:member:regular:footer.txt templates/site/en/list:member:regular:footer.txt before falling back to a default. The name for a digest footer is list:member:digest:footer.txt, or there can be a list:member:generic:footer.txt file which is for both regular and digest deliveries. There is documentation at <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/…>, but it can be difficult to follow. <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/…> describes the various templates and the substitutions available. Note that the name of a file in the above hierarchy is the template name with `.txt` appended. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: LTMP to Postfix problem

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/18/20 5:38 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > > Then there was this little bit of info: > > Jun 18 00:00:12 mm4 kernel: [19548549.442555] Out of memory: Kill > process 29676 (python3) score 37 or sacrifice child > Jun 18 00:00:12 mm4 kernel: [19548549.444508] Killed process 29676 > (python3) total-vm:192224kB, anon-rss:93084kB, file-rss:0kB, shmem-rss:0kB > Jun 18 00:00:12 mm4 kernel: [19548549.464907] oom_reaper: reaped process > 29676 (python3), now anon-rss:0kB, file-rss:0kB, shmem-rss:0kB > > I suspect the above process was ltmp. > > So the server has 2 gig of ram with about a dozen MM3 lists on it. Is > this an issue with tuning performance of the Postgresql server or do I > need to add more memory. I am curious how much ram your server is > running and if you had run into any OOM of problems. I haven't seen any OOM issues on the servers I manage. Those include mail.python.org 16 GB RAM 261 MM2.1 lists, 139 MM 3 lists lists.mailman3.org 4 GB RAM and other than tests and demos, only this list www.grizz.org 8 GB RAM This is my bicycling club's server. 7 MM 2.1 lists, only 2 of which are really active, 7 MM 3 lists including 2 test/demo - MySQL for the club database and Postgres for Mailman 3. It also supports some non Mailman club email and the club's web site including a MoinMoin wiki. The grizz.org domain was recently migrated from from a larger server in a colo that supported multiple domains to a DigitalOcean droplet which initially had only 4 GB RAM, but that seemed marginally enough at best, so I upgraded it to 8 GB. So the bottom line is I haven't run Mailman 3 on a server with only 2 GB and that may well not be enough. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderate mails from owner

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/21/19 3:02 AM, Malcolm Austen wrote: > > My only experience of MM3 is with Ancestry's 'RootsWeb' installation. > From the emails I can see a header "X-Mailman-Version: 3.1.0" but I > can't find anything to identify Postorius which is the only interface I > have to the system. Isn't there a footer at the bottom of wach page with something like: Postorius Documentation • GNU Mailman • Postorius Version 1.2.5 > From symptoms seen and described by others, I have deduced that the > Postorius admin-per-user moderation options of "Default processing" and > "List default" mean that a user may be set (by default on the rootsweb > system!) to use the system default moderation settings rather than the > list default settings. New (non-)members always have Moderation set to List default. This means their posts are governed by the applicable Settings -> Message Acceptance settings. Setting a user's Moderation to Default Processing means that users posts will not be held/rejected/discarded/accepted immediately based on "Default action to take when a (non-)member posts to the list", but additional checks will not be bypassed. See <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/rules/docs/rules.html>. > Are my deductions correct? And if so, could this be the explanation of > the issue detailed in this thread? Setting a user's Moderation to Default Processing (or Accept) would bypass the list defaults and could be the explanation of this issue. When the non-member owner first posts to the list that address becomes a non-member of the list. I.e. it is in the roster of known non-members of the list and that non-member record could have had its Moderation set to Accept or Default Processing at some point which would explain why the posts are accepted. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius endless loading on Sign in / Register then "Internal Server Error"

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/9/20 12:16 PM, Jacob Bargery wrote: > Pre-cursor, I am in a new position to learn on the go and new to Linux but have been tasked with setting up a List Serv and they wanted Mailman 3 with Postorius and HyperKitty. Running on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS using Postfix and MySQL. I can open up the initial pages. With no Lists created yet. I can open up Register, Login, and Forgot Password but when I submit anything it spins the loading icon for a long time then reads" > > "Internal Server Error > The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Apache/2.4.41 (Ubuntu) Server at groups.smccme.edu Port 80" ... > This is a traceback I could find from another attempt: > > Traceback (most recent call last): ... > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 109, in call > raise MailmanConnectionError('Could not connect to Mailman API') > mailmanclient.restbase.connection.MailmanConnectionError: Could not connect to Mailman API What are your Django settings for MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = 'http://localhost:8001' MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = 'restadmin' MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = 'restpass' Those match the defaults defined in mailman/config/schema.cfg [webservice] # The hostname at which admin web service resources are exposed. hostname: localhost # The port at which the admin web service resources are exposed. port: 8001 # Whether or not requests to the web service are secured through SSL. use_https: no # The administrative username. admin_user: restadmin # The administrative password. admin_pass: restpass If all that seems to match, what happens if you try telnet localhost 8001 If that doesn't work, but telnet 127.0.0.1 8001 works, there is some issue with `localhost` involving /etc/resolv.conf or /etc/hosts, most likely an ipv6 definition like ::1 localhost in the latter. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Displaying addresses in emails from a Mailman 3 installation

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/2/25 19:50, Steve Brown via Mailman-users wrote: > Thanks, Mark. As usual, your reply was rapid and helpful. I infer that you don't see the instability that my subscriber does. I'm pretty sure I don't, but I'm not completely certain I would notice. > Do (can?) email providers passing the posts to the subscriber alter the headers in ways that might lead to that unstable behavior? It is possible, but I don't think likely that the final mail delivery agent would do this. It's also almost certain that no intermediate MTA is doing it. > Or can it occur because of the way T-bird tries to help the user associate display names with email addresses--autofill and address book automation? That seems unlikely since those things would be tied to the email address which is always the same list posting address. > Do you have those kind of features turned off in your T-bird? Or is it more likely that the subscriber makes some mistakes that get interpreted as needing a change in From displays? Because only one of my subscribers is complaining regularly, it's not very important for me to do anything, but I'm still curious about the origin of this behavior. I don't think I have any non-default settings in my T-bird, and I do have address book entries for various lists and I don't see T-bird showing messages From the display names in my address book. I am curious as to what the complaint is. Does the user feel that something important is missing or is the concern just the inconsistency? Also, is there any correlation between the inconsistent behavior and what the poster's name is? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: required cron entries?

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/31/20 2:49 AM, Andreas Barth wrote: > Hi together, > > as I found some mails in queue/shunt, I thought who should be running > them. See below. > On my (standard debian) reference system, there are no cron entries > for mailman3 but only for mailman3-web. The crons for Mailman core are discussed at <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-core.html#configuring-cron-jobs>. > Looking in the source code, there is a ./cron/crontab.in.in however > references to scripts in port_me/ directory. That's all old Mailman 2.1 stuff. ignore it. > Should I (still) install (parts of) the crontab? Or > are these functions handled elsewhere? Again, see <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-core.html#configuring-cron-jobs>. > Also, who picks up mails in queue/shunt? Or are they lost somehow? When processing of a message in Core throws an uncaught exception, the error is logged with a traceback in var/logs/mailman.log and the message's queue entry is saved in the /var/queue/shunt/ queue. These messages can be retried via the `mailman unshunt` command, but unless the underlying cause has been fixed, they will throw the same exception and be shunted again. Each shunted message requires manual inspection of the var/logs/mailman.log entry and possibly examination of the message via `mailman qfile /var/queue/shunt/....pck`. Some of these are spam messages which are somehow defective causing the exception, and these can just be manually removed from the shunt queue. I've seen a couple that are transient errors[1] that can just be successfully unshunted. The rest require some underlying issue to be fixed before they can be successfully unshunted. [1] In particular, I've seen an apparent race condition in building the list of recipients where we try to determine the delivery status for a member that is no longer a member. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: Disabling Mass operations

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/23/26 17:39, iMark wrote: > Hi All, > > Can anyone give me a pointer on disabling "Mass operations" > (subscribe/removal) in Postorius. > > Just removing the menu link from the list-owners administration pages > would be a good start. This patch will do that ``` --- a/src/postorius/templates/postorius/menu/list_nav.html +++ b/src/postorius/templates/postorius/menu/list_nav.html @@ -84,6 +84,7 @@ {% if user.is_superuser or user.is_list_owner %} <li class="nav-item"><a href="{% url 'list_template_list' list.list_id %}" class="nav-link {% nav_active_class current 'templates' %}">{% trans 'Templates' %}</a></li> <li class="nav-item"><a href="{% url 'list_settings' list.list_id %}" class="nav-link {% nav_active_class current 'list_settings' %} ">{% trans 'Settings' %}</a></li> + {% if user.is_superuser %} <li class="dropdown nav-item"> <a href="#" class="{% nav_active_class current 'list_mass_ops' %} dropdown-toggle nav-link" data-bs-toggle="dropdown" role="button" aria-haspopup="true" aria-expanded="false"> @@ -98,6 +99,7 @@ <li><a href="{% url 'mass_removal' list.list_id %}" class="dropdown-item">{% trans 'Mass removal' %}</a></li> </noscript> </li> + {% endif %} <li class="nav-item"><a href="{% url 'list_bans' list.list_id %}" class="{% nav_active_class current 'list_bans' %} nav-link">{% trans 'Ban List' %}</a></li> <li class="nav-item"><a href="{% url 'list_header_matches' list.list_id %}" class="nav-link {% nav_active_class current 'list_header_matches' %}">{% trans 'Header filters' %}</a></li> <li class="nav-item"><a href="{% url 'list_delete' list.list_id %}" class="{% nav_active_class current 'list_delete' %} nav-link">{% trans 'Delete' %}</a></li> ``` Some lines in the above may be wrapped but basically it just adds {% if user.is_superuser %} and {% endif %} around the Mass operations code. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 days, 17 hours

[MM3-users] Re: Which crontab?

by Pierre Abbat

On Monday, November 6, 2017 8:52:25 AM EST Mark Sapiro wrote: > It looks like your Mailman user is 'list'. That is the user that should > be running mailman commands. Thanks! There is indeed a user "list". On Monday, November 6, 2017 10:06:49 AM EST Mark Sapiro wrote: > This may be "off the wall" but is the mailman you installed perhaps a > Debian/Ubuntu Mailman 2.1 package? If so, you are reading the wrong docs > and posting to the wrong list. It's Mailman 3.1.0 installed with pip. Pierre -- li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci

8 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: What is the recommended format for mailbox interchange as files?

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/21/19 8:38 PM, J.B. Nicholson wrote: > > What is the recommended file format for mail archives to share? > > I ask because I often see mailman mailing list archives available as > some format of mbox file. I like this feature. I want to quickly import > a bunch of archived messages into my account so that I can read old > threads and get more discussion context anytime I need it. Some flavor of mbox is ubiquitous in the *nix world. The problem with this format is lines in the message body beginning with 'From '. Most modern software that writes mbox format files avoids this problem by somhow mangling such lines. The Python mailbox package will prefix such lines with '>' when writing a message to a mbox. Before Mailman 3, Mailman kept a cumulative archive in mbox format. Even after pipermail was included, the cumulative mbox was normally written and could be used to rebuild the pipermail archive or move the archive elsewhere. The problem is that the Python mailbox package didn't always mangle 'From ' lines in the body, so archive mboxes that go back many years are likely to have problems. A more robust mailbox format which is still a single file is MMDF format. This is similar to mbox with the addition that each message is preceded and followed by a line consisting of exactly four control-A bytes. I.e., there is one such line at the beginning and at the end of the file and two such lines between each message. Mailman 3 uses this format for the mailboxes that accumulate messages for digests. However, lot's of things including HyperKitty's importer and Mailman 2's bin/arch tool require input in mbox format. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Member Issue Discovered

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/20/20 6:54 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > > Respectively, I think you are asking the wrong question here. The real > question is why isn't a display_name being removed when a list > subscriber is unsubscribed. I'd like to understand the real requirement. It seems to me that this issue has come up because a list admin wanted to change the display name shown in the membership roster for a user. Since there is currently no UI to do this, the list admin tried to do it by unsubscribing and resubscribing the user. That didn't work which led to this "unsubscribing a user should remove the user's information" thread, but the real issue is the lack of a UI for changing display names. It seems if that UI existed and was available, the "unsubscribing a user should remove the user's information" issue would never have been raised. So perhaps what we should be talking about is UIs for changing user information, what they would look like and who should be able to change what. Note that I personally am a member of many lists, an admin of multiple lists and a site admin for multiple mailman installations. I am well aware of the frustrations of list admins who wind up just doing it because it's way easier than instruction some users as to how to do it themselves. However, I don't think that is necessarily sufficient reason to hand over control of global, non-list specific user information to the admin of one particular list that the user happens to be a member of. Even in mailman 2.1, while a list admin could go to a user's options page for the list and change things, the "change globally" check boxes only worked for the user, not for the list admin. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: logrotate

by Mark Sapiro

Please don't hijack threads. Post a new topic as an original post, not as a reply to an old thread. On 5/2/23 15:45, Christian via Mailman-users wrote: > I noticed that my mailman logfiles are not being rotated. I followed the > instructions in > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-developers@python.org/message/ > FM3TSMQ63JR2KROJGOSPENODOOQVRYCL/ Those instructions are for Mailman 2.1. > Now when I try and run logrotate I get the following error > > root@zarathustra:/opt/mailman/mm/logs# logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf > error: stat of /opt/mailman/mm/logs/bounce.log failed: No such file or > directory > error: stat of /opt/mailman/mm/error.log failed: No such file or directory > error: stat of /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.log failed: No such file or > directory > error: stat of /opt/mailman/mm/mailmansuite.log failed: No such file or > directory > error: stat of /opt/mailman/mm/smtp.log failed: No such file or directory > root@zarathustra: > > What am I doing wrong please? Here's a logrotate script I use: ``` /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/*.log { missingok sharedscripts su mailman mailman postrotate sudo -u mailman /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman reopen &>/dev/null || true if [ -r /opt/mailman/mm/var/gunicorn.pid ]; then PID=`cat /opt/mailman/mm/var/gunicorn.pid` kill -s USR1 $PID fi endscript } ``` A couple of caveats. The first line of the postrotate script may be wrapped. `sudo ... true` is all one line. That line could also be ``` /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman --run-as-root reopen &>/dev/null || true ``` I.e., it either has to run as the mailman user or specify the --run-as-root option. Also, if logs aren't in /opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/ or gunicorn.pid isn't in /opt/mailman/mm/var/ those paths need adjusting. Finally, there may be an issue with `mailman reopen` in the postrotate scrupt. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1078 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman web spamming uwsgi error log.

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/28/21 2:02 PM, Sarah H wrote: > I'm having an issue with the mailman web logs (/opt/mailman/web/logs/uwsgi-error.log) spamming the below: > > 20:53:44 [Q] ERROR Failed [rebuild_mailinglist_cache_for_month] - MailingList matching query does not exist. : Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 436, in worker > res = f(*task["args"], **task["kwargs"]) > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/hyperkitty/tasks.py", line 79, in _rebuild_mailinglist_cache_for_month > mlist = MailingList.objects.get(name=mlist_name) > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 82, in manager_method > return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 417, in get > self.model._meta.object_name > hyperkitty.models.mailinglist.MailingList.DoesNotExist: MailingList matching query does not exist. ... > I do not have a list named "MailingList". hyperkitty.models.mailinglist.MailingList.DoesNotExist is the name of the exception. MailingList refers to the hyperkitty.models.mailinglist.MailingList class. It is not the name of a list. The actual code is ``` def _rebuild_mailinglist_cache_for_month(mlist_name, year, month): try: mlist = MailingList.objects.get(name=mlist_name) except MailingList.DoesNotExist: log.warning('MailingList with name %s does not exist', mlist_name) return mlist.cached_values["participants_count_for_month"].rebuild(year, month) ``` Thus, there should be a warning level log message MailingList with name xxx does not exist Identifying the list name. This will be in Django's log which is probably not /opt/mailman/web/logs/uwsgi-error.log, but may be /opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmansuitelog. It is defined in settings(_local).py as the value of LOGGING['handlers']['file']['filename'] I'm not sure how this issue comes about. I suspect it comes from a task that was created before some list was deleted and the task is being continuously retried because it fails. What does your Django admin `qinfo` command show? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Message of migrated list showing "unsubscribe@%(host_name)s" in footer

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/8/23 16:03, alex(a)presland.net wrote: > > We migrated a number of mailman lists last weekend and I spotted this evening that an email from the list contained a footer along the lines of the following (all bits in CAPITALS were successfully representing the list. > > ===== > LISTNAME mailing-list -- LISTNAME@DOMAIN > To unsubscribe, email LISTNAME-unsubscribe@%(host_name)s > ===== > > 1) I don't know why %(host_name)s hasn't been automagically substituted > 2) I can't find anywhere to change this footer in the Mailman3 Postorius interface The `mailman import21` process creates templates for existing 2.1 regular and digest headers and footers in Mailman 3's var/templates/lists/LIST_ID/LC/ directory. LIST_ID is the list's id like listname.example.com and LC is the language code for the list's preferred language. These have names like list:member:regular:header.txt, list:member:digest:header.txt, list:member:regular:footer.txt and list:member:digest.footer.txt. These are based on the mailman 2.1 lists regular and digest headers and footers with replacements translated to the appropriate Mailman 3 equivalents. However, there are various reasons why some replacements can't be translated, and these are left as is. in your case you need to edit those files and change %(host_name)s to $(domain}, or, since the default mailman/templates/en/list\:member\:generic\:footer.txt is ``` _______________________________________________ $display_name mailing list -- $listname To unsubscribe send an email to ${short_listname}-leave@${domain} ``` just deleting the var/templates/lists/LIST_ID/en/list:member:regular:footer.txt file will probably do what you want. Note that templates defined in Postorius are handled differently, and if a template is currently undefined in Postorius, starting to define it in Postorius starts with an empty template instead of the current file system template. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/366 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: "Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25"

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/18/19 11:29 AM, Manos Pitsidianakis wrote: > Hello, > > I've been getting "Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port 25" > from runner "out" in mailman.log over some mails stuck in shunt queue, > postfix logs show nothing when this happens, tcpdump on lo interface > port 25 shows nothing. The log shows up when I start mailman, and then > it seems not to show up again. That log message is only written once. It won't be written again unless the out runner is restarted or there is a successful delivery followed by another socket.error. > I can do 'telnet localhost 25' just fine, including as mailman user. I > can send and receive mail on my mail server. I tried making a test list > and sent/received messages fine. Is only one list affected, and is it all messages from this list or only some? > smtp debug logs show "Using agent: <mailman.mta.deliver.Deliver object > at 0x7fdd9793c940>" and "IndividualDelivery to: <email(a)address.tld>" on > repeat, where the email address is one of the addresses of the shunted > mails. Do some deliveries of the problem message succeed? I.e., in the normal case without failure, there will be one "IndividualDelivery to: <email(a)address.tld>" message for each recipient in the recipients list. In the shunted message case, the msgdata object in the shunted pickle contains the recipients. Are there "IndividualDelivery to: <email(a)address.tld>" entries for some but not all recipients. Is the last of these an invalid local address? (Postfix can return a 421 status and drop the connection if there are too many invalid local recipients, although I don't know if this would apply in the VERP case. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Internal Server Error: Reattach this thread

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/26/22 02:29, cold00water(a)gmail.com wrote: > I have only tested the operation on the web screen. What exactly did you do to test this? > I ran c, but it doesn't work because of another error. > > $ python test_thread.py > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/hyperkitty/tests/views/test_thread.py", line 29, in <module> > from django.contrib.auth.models import User > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/contrib/auth/models.py", line 2, in <module> > from django.contrib.auth.base_user import AbstractBaseUser, BaseUserManager > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/contrib/auth/base_user.py", line 47, in <module> > class AbstractBaseUser(models.Model): > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 107, in __new__ > app_config = apps.get_containing_app_config(module) > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/apps/registry.py", line 252, in get_containing_app_config > self.check_apps_ready() > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/apps/registry.py", line 134, in check_apps_ready > settings.INSTALLED_APPS > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 76, in __getattr__ > self._setup(name) > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 57, in _setup > raise ImproperlyConfigured( > django.core.exceptions.ImproperlyConfigured: Requested setting INSTALLED_APPS, but settings are not configured. You must either define the environment variable DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE or call settings.configure() before accessing settings. > > > Please tell me how to test. You need to get the source. E.g., git clone https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty.git This will create a `hyperkitty` directory in the current directory. Then you can test with tox. Ensure you have tox and then something like tox -e py310-django32 -- hyperkitty/tests/views/test_thread.py will run those tests. You can probably also test with `pytest`, but when I tried that I ran into issues with Django not finding settings. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Specifying hold reason: non-member, header filter number/regex

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/16/21 9:17 AM, Duane Raymond wrote: > Hi, > > Unlike in mm2, I'm finding in mm3 that is not obvious when non-member is trying to post to the list when their subject line also has a header-filter match. All it lists is that the posting has matched a header rule (which isn't quite accurate as it is a non-member) and even when it matches a header rule it doesn't say which one (which is a noted issues in the file mailman/chains/headers.py). This is because in the chain of rules being tested for the post, the header matching rules are tested before non-member moderation. > Anyone else noticed the same and have a solution? > > The relevant list setting is:: > Message Acceptance > Default action to take when a non-member posts to the list: Hold for moderation > > Should I be editing mailman/chains/headers.py or perhaps another python file in that firstory to make the hold reason more explicit? It is actually two problems I wish to solve: > 1. Show when the message is held because it is a posting by a non-member (or a moderated member, etc) For this one, member moderation holds come before header matches, so I think your issue is only for non-members. If you want that check to come first reorder these lines <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/chains/builtin…> so the non-member moderation check comes before header matching. > 2. Show what specific header filter has caused the message to be held so I know why and/or can debug the regex to be more/less specific. You've seen the code and the comments in mailman/chains/headers.py. We would welcome a merge request to implement this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: SPF check fails for lists subdomain

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/4/23 11:39, Jan Eden via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi, > > my question is not related to Mailman directly, apologies for using this > list. I configured the DNS records for my base domain and my lists > subdomain identically (the DMARC policy records are also identical, but > not listed here): > > MX @ mail.eden.one > TXT @ "v=spf1 mx ~all" > MX lists mail.eden.one > TXT lists "v=spf1 mx ~all" > > A mail 123.123.123.123 > > But both Yahoo and Google report different SPF results for the two domains: > > <policy_published> > <domain>eden.one</domain> > <adkim>s</adkim> > <aspf>s</aspf> > <p>quarantine</p> > <pct>75</pct> > </policy_published> > <record> > <row> > <source_ip>123.123.123.123</source_ip> > <count>3</count> > <policy_evaluated> > <disposition>none</disposition> > <dkim>pass</dkim> > <spf>pass</spf> > </policy_evaluated> > </row> > > <policy_published> > <domain>lists.eden.one</domain> > <adkim>s</adkim> > <aspf>s</aspf> > <p>quarantine</p> > <pct>75</pct> > </policy_published> > <record> > <row> > <source_ip>123.123.123.123</source_ip> > <count>2</count> > <policy_evaluated> > <disposition>none</disposition> > <dkim>pass</dkim> > <spf>fail</spf> > </policy_evaluated> > </row> > > What could possibly cause this difference? The SPF test also fails for a > different base domain with the same MX and SPF records. Your spf for lists.mail.eden.one specifies its MX which is also lists.mail.eden.one, however mail from that domain arrives from IP 123.123.123.123 and presumably an rDNS lookup returns mail.eden.one which is not lists.mail.eden.one, thus the failure. Add the IP 123.123.123.123 to the spf and drop the MX since it doesn't work TXT lists "v=spf1 123.123.123.123 ~all" -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: Template's encoding setup

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/15/19 3:33 AM, Ugnius S wrote: > > This noticed only on HTML text messages. If message comes in HTML the > header does not add extra <enter> new line, new paragraph > and footer as well. For example if message body has no additional, list's > decorated message looks next: > > TEST HEADER > _____________________Hello, > > text text text, pictures, text > > regards > Ugnius____________________ > TEST FOOTER > > I have tried to add more empty lines in "The footer for a regular > (non-digest) message.", but mailman removes these empty lines. > Work around is put dot "." and then several empty lines. The stripping of leading whitespace from templates created in Postorius is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/301> to be fixed by <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/merge_requests/434> > Mark, I have found Your post about HTML headers and footers: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… > YES, that works good, I have tested it, but only in cases if message comes > in HTML. If sender sends plain text message, > mailman adds footer with all HTML code: > > <BR>__________________<BR> > <B> LIST NAME </B> > > Could it be possible that decorate.py would recognise message and if it > has HTML text body, then just would add header/footer and if not (if > message body is plain text) , then would strip header/footer "html to plain > text" may removing html code from it? As it says in the post you reference: message and digest footers and headers are always added either to a MIME text/plain message body or as separate MIME text/plain parts. HTML tags will just be displayed as plain text and will not be rendered as HTML. Also see <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030707>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: moderation notices for list-owner being redirected to mailman address

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/2/22 16:17, dancab(a)caltech.edu wrote: > Mark, please correct if I'm wrong but is the log data below produced by LMTP via Mailman core? Yes, indirectly. Mailman's LMTP runner which receives messages form the MTA via LMTP uses aiosmtpd.controller.Controller and aiosmtpd.lmtp.LMTP classes to create the actual LMTP server and it is those classes that write those log messages. > This is from the Mailman smtp.log file. Could this somehow be an issue with how we've configured Mailman for LMTP? > > Feb 01 21:36:45 2022 (289) ('127.0.0.1', 36132) >> b'LHLO aeedf7ad9f48.caltech.edu' > Feb 01 21:36:45 2022 (289) ('127.0.0.1', 36132) >> b'MAIL FROM:<snap_wl-bounces+mailman=caltech.edu(a)caltech.edu> SIZE=4289' > Feb 01 21:36:45 2022 (289) ('127.0.0.1', 36132) sender: snap_wl-bounces+mailman=caltech.edu(a)caltech.edu > Feb 01 21:36:45 2022 (289) ('127.0.0.1', 36132) >> b'RCPT TO:<mailman(a)lists.caltech.edu>' > Feb 01 21:36:45 2022 (289) ('127.0.0.1', 36132) recip: mailman(a)lists.caltech.edu > Feb 01 21:36:45 2022 (289) ('127.0.0.1', 36132) >> b'DATA' > Feb 01 21:36:45 2022 (289) ('127.0.0.1', 36132) >> b'QUIT' These are normal messages. They are also normally followed by two additional messages like Jan 30 22:04:10 2022 (1329492) ('127.0.0.1', 34924) connection lost Jan 30 22:04:10 2022 (1329492) ('127.0.0.1', 34924) Connection lost during _handle_client() These are also normal and not a concern. Are you thinking there is an issue because of the presence of these messages or the content. The messages are normal. If you're concerned about the content, it appears there is a `mailman(a)caltech.edu` list and a `snap_wl(a)caltech.edu` list and the `snap_wl` list is sending something to the `mailman` list. This also seems OK and not at all relevant to the original issue in this thread. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to disable global templates for all lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/13/24 16:28, christopher.claus(a)tgcamberg1848.de wrote: > Hallo togeher, > > I´m using the docker version from maxking and mailman core-version 3.3.9. I was wondering why there were messages in the list with "non-configured" footers. I found the files >> > mailman-core:/opt/mailman# find / -name "*list:member:*" > /usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/templates/de/list:member:generic:footer.txt > /usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/templates/de/list:member:digest:masthead.txt > /usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/templates/ca/list:member:generic:footer.txt > /usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/templates/ca/list:member:digest:masthead.txt > /usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/templates/nl/list:member:generic:footer.txt > > but I found no option to disable them. How can I disable these global list-configuration? First, those are only a few. The default English templates are templates/en/list:member:digest:masthead.txt templates/en/list:member:generic:footer.txt templates/en/list:member:digest:header.txt templates/en/list:member:regular:header.txt and there are translations of them in many more than the de, ca and nl languages. The default English list:member:digest:header.txt and list:member:regular:header.txt are empty so most languages do not translate them. You can't disable them other than removing them, but you don't want to do that as these are only used as fall back in cases where there is no list, domain or site specific template. If you have messages delivered that use one of the default templates, it's because you don't have a custom template that matches the context for that message. When a template is required, first the template table in the database is searched for a template matching the list, domain or site context. If no match is found, the file system is searched as described at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/utilities/i18n… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty_import.py Error

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/7/21 10:03 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > I am trying to import some old archives (going back to 2003) into a > Mailman 3 list. The import job is terminating very early in the process > with the following error: > > IndexError: string index out of range > > 1. Is there a way to fix a mbox file that is generating this type of error? Yes, but you need to understand what message is causing the error and why. The full traceback from the error can help. So can the script at <https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/check_hk_import>. > 2. If a message is causing this error, is there a way to import the rest > of the mbox file by importing messages after a certain date within the > mbox file? I know the --since flag should be able to do that but I am > unsure what the date/time format should be. There are things you can do. The --since date syntax is very flexible. It uses dateutil.parser.parse. See <https://dateutil.readthedocs.io/en/stable/parser.html#module-dateutil.parser> You can also just make a new mbox which deletes the messages up to and including the offending one or just delete/fix the offending message. hyperkitty_import won't re-import message that are already in the archive, and without a --since option won't import messages older than the newest in the existing archive. > 3. The --no-sync--mailman flag indicates the possibility of doing batch > imports. What are batch imports and how do you do them? Batch imports means running hyperkitty_import multiple times wiuth multiple mbox inputs (batches). It is only necessary to run the sync_mailman job once after all the imports are done (even if importing to multiple lists). I.e. specify --no-sync--mailman on all but the last import, or on all and then run sync_mailman after done. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing MM3 requires Django<1.11

by Mark Sapiro

On 04/12/2017 02:22 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: > Two questions regarding Mailman 3 installation: > > 1) > The Mail server setup at http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/devsetup.html#set-up-a-mail-server isn't described yet. Instead it refers to https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.10/topics/email/#topic-email-backends, but it doesn't say which file I have to change. That link doesn't belong there. Mailman doesn't use Django to send mail. > According to https://www.webforefront.com/django/setupdjangoemail.html the file is called settings.py, but the only settings.py I can find at this stage is the /opt/mailman/postorius/example_project/settings.py file. > > According to http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/devsetup.html#set-up-and-run-postorius, "Postorius and HyperKitty both come with example_project directories with basic configuration so you can try them out. For this tutorial, however, we'll be using a project that combines both instead.". > > In what file should I change the mail settings then? Nothing in <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.10/topics/email/#topic-email-backends> or <https://www.webforefront.com/django/setupdjangoemail.html> is relevant to Mailman. A more appropriate discussion is at <http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.html> > 2) > While installing Hyperkitty*) I got the error message "Django 1.11rc1 is installed but Django<1.11 is required by {'django-haystack'}". > > As I have slavishly followed the installation guide including http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/devsetup.html#set-up-django-mailman3, I wonder why a non-supported Django version was installed. > > *) http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/devsetup.html#set-up-and-run-hyperkitty This is an issue. The various setup.py files for django-mailman3, hyperkitty and postorius all have Django>=1.8 as a requirement. Only postorius also has Django<1.11. django-mailman3 and hyperkitty should have that restriction too. I have submitted <https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/issues/4> and <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/128> for this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty threads by month question

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/26/24 18:53, Bryan Fields wrote: > On 7/26/24 4:01 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> If this returns just the one message_id, I would then >> >> DELETE FROM hyperkitty_thread WHERE id = 35670; >> DELETE FROM hyperkitty_email WHERE id = 150555; > > It's giving an error due to a fk constraint on another table. I'm not > familiar with the db structure enough to be certain how to clean/fix it. Yes, you need to do these first. DELETE FROM hyperkitty_favorite WHERE thread_id = 35670; DELETE FROM hyperkitty_tagging WHERE thread_id = 35670; DELETE FROM hyperkitty_lastview WHERE thread_id = 35670; DELETE FROM hyperkitty_vote WHERE email_id = 150555; Not all those will exist, but then you should be able to DELETE FROM hyperkitty_thread WHERE id = 35670; DELETE FROM hyperkitty_email WHERE id = 150555; > I'm actually thinking I need to fix the archive mbox, then delete them and > re-import them once they are cleaned. Actually, that would be safest. Fix the mbox, delete the entire archive and re-run the import. >> Also, FYI, assuming those messages with very old Date: headers had >> reasonable unix from dates, the hyperkitty/contrib/cleanarch3 script >> would fix them, except you have to get the script from >> https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/contrib/clea… >> or https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/cleanarch3 because the script in the >> latest release has a bug. > > I tried the dry run option on your script and it gave a bunch of output > for bad > dates. This was absent on the one shipping with the source. What's > interesting > is that pipermail seems to have no issue with this, detecting the date > correctly. If I recall correctly, pipermail checks date skew and 'fixes' the dates in the archive, but they remain off in the mbox. > https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2000-January/137630.html > One other thing, I did notice a number of archives not showing up in > sequence > due to missing "In-Reply-To:" headers from the source. The first > message in > this is one like this, and pipermail in mmm2 seems to handle this by > referencing > the subject, > https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2002-April/151325.html, > where as in hyperkitty it's an orphaned thread. Yes, HyperKitty does not do threading by subject matching. It only threads based on In-Reply-To: and absent In-Reply-To:, only the last entry in References: if any. > Is the archive tool in pipermail's import more robust in this manner? > I'd argue > it's common to have missing In-Reply-To: headers where the subject and time > would need to be used to infer the likely thread. I'll agree this is a > major > violation of the relevant RFC's to be missing this, but many MUA's (M$) are > famous for doing just this. Yes, it's arguably a defect in HyperKitty to not implement Jamie Zawinski's threading algorithm <https://www.jwz.org/doc/threading.html>, but it doesn't. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Setting for archiving multi email domains?

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/5/21 10:19 AM, Duane Raymond wrote: > fairsayforum.com = mail site domain (working fine for lists, archives and web) > > > alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases > alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases > always_add_missing_headers = yes > append_dot_mydomain = no > biff = no > compatibility_level = 2 > default_destination_concurrency_limit = 15 > default_destination_recipient_limit = 30 > delay_warning_time = 1h > header_checks = regexp:/etc/postfix/header_checks > inet_interfaces = all > inet_protocols = all > local_recipient_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp > mailbox_size_limit = 0 > milter_default_action = accept > milter_protocol = 2 > mydestination = $myhostname, mail.fairsayforum.com, localhost.fairsayforum.com, localhost > myhostname = mail.fairsayforum.com > mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 > myorigin = /etc/mailname > non_smtpd_milters = inet:localhost:8892 > owner_request_special = no > readme_directory = no > recipient_delimiter = + > relay_domains = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_domains > relayhost = > smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache > smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Debian/GNU) > smtpd_milters = inet:localhost:8892 > smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated defer_unauth_destination > smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem > smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key > smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtpd_scache > smtpd_use_tls = yes > transport_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp > unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 And previously > > <test(a)oldlist.com> (expanded from <test(a)emaillistA.com>): host > oldlisthost.com[ip] said: 550 5.1.1 > <test(a)oldlist.com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in > virtual alias table (in reply to RCPT TO command) > > But I can't find oldlist.com in the configuration settings. It was set as an alias for emaillistA.com domain, but was removed. Have you removed the alias domain from the emaillistA.com domain and similarly for the others and then regenerated the maps with `mailman aliases` or `mailman start -g`after removing the alias domains. Also, I'm confused about "User unknown in virtual alias table" since there are no virtual_alias_domains in your Postfix main.cf. Have you reloaded Postfix since updating main.cf? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: HyperKitty failure

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/2/22 4:34 AM, horvath.arpad.szfvar(a)gmail.com wrote: >> Can you go to https://lists.xxx.hu/hyperkitty/api/lists and get a >> response from Django REST framework which is a json representation of >> your mailing lists info? > > In this list I have just one list that I created for testing. And I can't see there the two lists I've imported from mailman2, e.g. korus. I guess because of admin is not a list list member there. I can see the korus at https://lists.xxx.hu/hyperkitty/ , but not at https://lists.xxx.hu/postorius/lists/ . when you view https://lists.xxx.hu/postorius/lists/ is there a Filter by Role dropdown at the top of the listing? If so, if you select `All` do you then see the lists. Postorius by default shows only those lists in which you have a role. If you still don't see the lists, what does the command `mailman lists` show? > I guess the setting below is not good. > > MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = ('127.0.0.1', '::1') > > Should I set it to > ('https://lists.xxx.hu/hyperkitty', '::1') ? Doesn't seem to work, like that. It needs to be an IP. Set it to `('xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx', '127.0.0.1', '::1')` where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the IP of lists.xxx.hu or just `('xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx',)` would probably work. > And what about MAILMAN_REST_API_URL? > How can I found its proper value? It's currently the default value > but if I try to reach it with > wget http://localhost:8001 > I get a 404. not found. How can I find the right value? If Postorius works, It's good. `wget http://localhost:8001` returns a 404 as it should because this is a REST API and `/` is not a known endpoint. Something like `wget --user restadmin --password restpass http://localhost:8001/3.1/lists` should work. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 Postfix FROM header issue

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/17/23 9:10 AM, eboltz(a)lhtservices.com wrote: > Mark, > > Here is my postconf -n > > alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases > alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases > always_add_missing_headers = yes > append_dot_mydomain = no > biff = no > compatibility_level = 2 > default_destination_concurrency_limit = 15 > default_destination_recipient_limit = 30 > header_checks = regexp:/etc/postfix/header_checks > header_size_limit = 409600 > inet_interfaces = all > inet_protocols = ipv4 > local_recipient_maps = proxy:unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp > mailbox_size_limit = 0 > mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, $mydomain > myhostname = lists.example.com > mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::fff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 > myorigin = /etc/mailname > readme_directory = no > recipient_delimiter = + > relay_domains = hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_domains > relayhost = [mail.smtp2go.com]:587 > smtp_always_send_ehlo = yes > smtp_sasl_security_options = noanonymous > smtp_tls_CApath = /etc/postfix/o365_smtp_cert.pem > smtp_tls_security_level = may > smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${data_directory}/smtp_scache > smtp_use_tls = yes > smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Debian/GNU) > smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated defer_unauth_destination > smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem > smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key > smtpd_tls_security_level = may > transport_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp > unknown_local_recipient_reject_code = 550 > virtual_alias_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_vmap It looks like you are now following <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h…>. > What would I have to do to ensure that MM3 and postfix (same new server) use the newly created lists.example.org domain, which only exists within Postfix when setting up the Postorius domain and lists? > I want to have it so that whatever the list name is, for example 'Staff(a)lists.example.org' will route through Postfix correctly. Have you set an alias_domain for the lists.example.org domain? What are the contents of /var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_vmap and /var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp? If you feel it is necessary to anonymize the domains in these, please only change the tld so we can see the actual subdomains. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Message is received but is not sent out. Another, similar message, is processed fine.

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/26/23 8:09 PM, Allan Hansen wrote: > Hi all, > > One of my subscribers is trying to send a message to a list, but it is not being posted. > The smtp.log shows that her first message was posted, but a second message (with 2 retries) was not: > > mailman@list:~/logs$ grep herName smtp.log > Jun 18 11:22:05 2023 (1243316) ('127.0.0.1', 56686) >> b'MAIL FROM:<herName(a)hotmail.com> SIZE=40109' > Jun 18 11:22:05 2023 (1243316) ('127.0.0.1', 56686) sender: herName(a)hotmail.com > Jun 18 11:25:01 2023 (1243318) <CH3PR12MB82593510B90D8F05177C606BBE5EA(a)CH3PR12MB8259.namprd12.prod.outlook.com> post to theList(a)domain.tlc from herName(a)hotmail.com, 40061 bytes > Jun 18 11:52:42 2023 (1243316) ('127.0.0.1', 48448) >> b'MAIL FROM:<herName(a)hotmail.com> SIZE=18343' > Jun 18 11:52:42 2023 (1243316) ('127.0.0.1', 48448) sender: herName(a)hotmail.com > Jun 18 19:01:04 2023 (1243316) ('127.0.0.1', 59550) >> b'MAIL FROM:<herName(a)hotmail.com> SIZE=19123' > Jun 18 19:01:04 2023 (1243316) ('127.0.0.1', 59550) sender: herName(a)hotmail.com > Jun 26 17:18:11 2023 (1243316) ('127.0.0.1', 44732) >> b'MAIL FROM:<herName(a)hotmail.com> SIZE=18930' > Jun 26 17:18:11 2023 (1243316) ('127.0.0.1', 44732) sender: herName(a)hotmail.com > > At the second retry she copied me and I saw nothing untowards in her message. > She's not getting any error return messages and her subscription is OK. > Both messages were multipart/alternative and both contained Hebrew text. > > I told her I'd look at this, but I'm at a loss. smtp.log is not very useful for diagnosing things like this. It only says a message was received, not why it didn't result in a post from the list as in the first case. What's in mailman.log with those timestamps? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Digests not working correctly

by Joel Lord

Sadly, no cron output emails. On 6/13/2023 1:53 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 6/13/23 10:46, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> If there is nothing in Mailman's mailman.log, I don't know what the >> issue is unless the list's digest_send_periodic flag is False. > > One more thought. Output from these cron jobs written to stdout and/or > stderr will be emailed. You can control to where with a `MAILTO=...` > line in the crontab. Otherwise, they will be mailed to the owner of the > crontab, probably `list` or maybe `root`. Check your MTA logs from > 23:00+ to see if any emails are sent and to where. > -- Joel Lord

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Subscription Request asking for Confirmation instead of Moderation

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/28/25 07:06, Henry Hartley via Mailman-users wrote: > > That's what I was given and I didn't look at it carefully enough. My apologies. There was indeed a To: header, so it wasn't that. I got a copy of the actual email and was able to see all the headers, which I've pasted below (with the exception of two X-Microsoft-Antispam-xxx headers, which are fairly long). I've anonymized it similarly to the above as well as changing the IP address to 192.169.0.0, which is not what's really there. Note also that the mailto: links above (and below, if applicable) are not in the text I'm pasting but have been added somewhere along the line. > ...> To: <MAILINGLIST-join(a)DOMAIN.org> > Subject: Subscribe > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed; delsp=yes > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > X-Mailer: Drupal > Sender: <FIRSTLAST(a)SCHOOL.edu> > From: <FIRSTLAST(a)SCHOOL.edu> > Message-ID: <20250808165748.998892A0BDB(a)WEBSERVER.COMPANY.com> > Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2025 12:57:48 -0400 > Return-Path: FIRSTLAST(a)SCHOOL.edu ... These are all good and should result in the subscription held for moderation as log as the lists Subscription Policy is Moderate (not Confirm, then Moderate). What does the mail to the user, FIRSTLAST(a)SCHOOL.edu, say? I.e., if the subscription is waiting confirmation there should be a mail to the user with Subject: Your confirmation is needed to join the MAILINGLIST mailing list and body that begins with Email Address Registration Confirmation Hello, this is the GNU Mailman server at DOMAIN.org. Does the user get that email, a different email (if so, what) or no email. Is there anything systematically different about the addresses you are subscribing this way and the ones who subscribe with their own email? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 months

[MM3-users] Re: UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/12/19 12:42 AM, Marvin Gülker wrote: > > But I now have a different problem. I've removed all offending messages > (it were more than just one that caused the UnicodeEncodeError), but I > still can't access the page for the held messages queue. It gives an > error 500, now with a different exception in the log. I've included it > below. It looks to me that the messages haven't properly been deleted. They have, but I apologize - more is required. > What I did was this: for each offending message hash > > 1. I ran the DELETE query > 2. I deleted the file from the file system > 3. I ran the delete_message() function > > I originally wanted to run only the delete_message() function, but a > quick check on the DB and the file system after running it for one hash > told me that it neither deletes the message from the DB nor from the > file system. The argument for delete_message() is not the hash, it is the <message-id> including the angle brackets. So I did everything at once. I do have a backup of both the > DB and the filesystem from before I started this, in case this broke > something. > > Is there something left that I have to do now? Yes, my bad for not realizing this. There are still references to these messages in the _request table. The columns in that table are id | key | request_type | data_hash | mailing_list_id key is the <message-id> of the request message request_type is 1 for a held message mailing_list_id is a numeric index into the mailinglist table The issue is there are still held message requests there for the messages you removed. You need to delete those entries from the _request table. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: getting all registered users and their lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/26/22 00:16, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > > hi, > > TL;DR > is there a scriptable way to get all users that have registered in my > mailman3 (3.2.1) instance and which lists they are subscribed to (if any)? It's in Postorius >= 1.3.6 > longer version: > > we are running Mailman3-3.2.1 as shipped with Debian/buster (i know that > this is not the newest version; at this point, please refrain from > asking me to upgrade my Debian installation or even to switch to a venv > installation of mailman3: i'll eventually do that but right now i've gt > a problem to solve :-)) See above. ... > for this i would like to get a listing of all users that are not > subscribed to any mailinglist. > i would also like to query, when a given user has signed up (so i can > reduce the number of false positives) > > how would i do that? > ideally i would rather not work on an SQL level. You can do this in mailman shell ``` $ bin/mailman shell Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. >>> um = getUtility(IUserManager) >>> for usr in um.users: ... if len(list(usr.memberships.members)) > 0: ... continue ... adr = usr.addresses[0] ... print(f'Name: {adr.display_name}, Email: {adr.email}, Created: {usr.created_on}') ... ``` Or to skip older ones ``` >>> from datetime import datetime >>> um = getUtility(IUserManager) >>> for usr in um.users: ... if len(list(usr.memberships.members)) > 0: ... continue ... if usr.created_on < datetime(2022, 1, 1): ... continue ... adr = usr.addresses[0] ... print(f'Name: {adr.display_name}, Email: {adr.email}, Created: {usr.created_on}') ... ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: Programmatic Creation of Users

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/30/22 05:25, jciesla(a)techsupportme.com wrote: > > After a lot of research I now understand that what I am doing in the Core Shell is creating a User entity which has one or more email addresses as well as one or more roles and preferences that exist at the global level. This user entity can Subscribe to zero or more lists. If I am incorrect in the summation please let me know! Almost correct. A User does have preferences but does not have roles. Roles are associated with list memberships, not users. > Assuming that the previous information is correct that brings us to my current dilemma. Specifically, the User entity can Subscribe and interact with lists using the email commands, but they can't Login using the Postorius web interface. If I understand correctly the reason that they can't login is that the underlying Django system does not recognize their account because the account that was created in Core isn't accessible by Django. Instead the user needs to create a Django-specific account at which point the information from Core becomes available in the user's web UI. The simple view is that Django users and Mailman Users are unrelated. Either can exist without the other. They only tie together if they have the same email address. That is the only connection between them. > If that is in fact accurate then I want to take the next logical leap: is it possible to programmatically create an account in Django that is tied to the account that was created in Core? See the script at https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/clean_users.py. This is an example that deals with Django users and Mailman Users and deletes some Django users. See https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.0/topics/db/queries/#creating-objects for information about creating objects. Also see the UserManager class in django/contrib/auth/models.py -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: The paradox of VERP probe messages

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/28/25 13:04, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > tl;dr: Is there a way to have VERP probe messages not include copies > of the bounce message that triggered them? Currently you'd need to patch code. This would do it. ``` --- a/src/mailman/model/bounce.py +++ b/src/mailman/model/bounce.py @@ -231,7 +231,7 @@ class BounceProcessor: # Try to get the dsn from the message store. It should be there. msg = getUtility(IMessageStore).get_message_by_id(event.message_id) if as_boolean(config.mta.verp_probes): - send_probe(member, msg=msg, message_id=event.message_id) + send_probe(member, message_id=event.message_id) action = 'sending probe' else: # Bounce score is reset by sending a probe but needs to be ``` You could submit an issue at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/new to make this configurable. ... > This behavior raises a more significant concern as well. The MTA on > the Mailman server in this case (Exim if it matters) wants to > perform batch deliveries when there are multiple subscribers who all > share the same remote MTAs. If multiples of those reject a list > post, then the NDR back to Mailman aggregates those multiple > rejections into a single message. If that incident triggers a VERP > probe, the bulk NDR enumerating the addresses of all the subscribers > who were rejected gets forwarded along as part of the VERP probe, > disclosing a potentially sensitive litany of random subscriber > addresses to other subscribers within that batch. I don't know > whether this is a misconfiguration, or an unintended consequence of > the intersection of Mailman and MTA features. I'm sure you can configure Exim to not do that. For Postfix it's ``` smtp_destination_recipient_limit = 1 ``` Also if you configure Mailman to VERP all deliveries ``` [mta] verp_confirmations: yes verp_personalized_deliveries: yes verp_delivery_interval: 1 ``` each recipient will be sent separately with a different envelope sender so the MTA can't combine them. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: The Use of Hyperkitty as a Forum and Archiver

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/14/20 6:51 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > Dear Mailman 3 Users, > > Since Mailman 3 includes a forum feature via Hyperkitty, I would like to > know the following: > > - Has the forum feature (Hyperkitty) of MM3 been received well by your > list members or is it mostly ignored? > > - Do you see an increase in the use of HK as a forum from your list > members? For this list, I don't know other than myself, and for myself I receive the list and read it by email. I will occasionally reply from HyperKitty if I have reson to reply to a post that I have deleted from my mail server. For mail.python.org, there are multiple list members (including Guido) on multiple lists who use HyperKitty exclusively in lieu of mail. For my bicycling club lists, very few users use HyperKitty for anything and most didn't use pipermail either even though we had htdig integration. Those few that do use it probably use it primarily for search. > - What kind of feedback have you received from your list members > considering the forum function of MM3? Positive or negative? They find warts, in part due to the still developmental markdown rendering <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/merge_requests/160> that's installed there and on this list too, but overall those that use it, like it and prefer the forum model to the email list model. > - Do you think HK is received well by your list members as an archiver > and do you think it provides a better user experience for > viewing/searching archives vs Pipermail of MM2? Yes and Yes. > Thank you for anything you shared. I am very curious to know the state > of Hyperkitty among the Mailman 3 user community. > -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: new list not working

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/9/23 13:26, Christian via Mailman-users wrote: > I am only having issues with the new list. > > > > Below are logfile entries > > > > Smtp.log > > ++++++ > > Mar 09 20:57:09 2023 (9401) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin) > > Mar 09 20:57:09 2023 (9401) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 35982) > > Mar 09 20:57:09 2023 (9401) ('127.0.0.1', 35982) handling connection > > Mar 09 20:57:09 2023 (9401) ('127.0.0.1', 35982) >> b'LHLO zarathustra.ccalternatives.org' > > Mar 09 20:57:09 2023 (9401) ('127.0.0.1', 35982) >> b'MAIL FROM:<christian(a)naturalintelligence.us> SIZE=3653' > > Mar 09 20:57:09 2023 (9401) ('127.0.0.1', 35982) sender: christian(a)naturalintelligence.us > > Mar 09 20:57:09 2023 (9401) ('127.0.0.1', 35982) >> b'RCPT TO:<redlatinleg(a)lists.ccalternatives.org>' > > Mar 09 20:57:09 2023 (9401) ('127.0.0.1', 35982) recip: redlatinleg(a)lists.ccalternatives.org > > Mar 09 20:57:09 2023 (9401) ('127.0.0.1', 35982) >> b'DATA' > > Mar 09 20:57:09 2023 (9401) ('127.0.0.1', 35982) >> b'QUIT' > > Mar 09 20:57:09 2023 (9401) ('127.0.0.1', 35982) connection lost > > Mar 09 20:57:09 2023 (9401) ('127.0.0.1', 35982) Connection lost during _handle_client() This is the post being delivered to mailman and is expected. > > > Access.log Irrelevant. > Mailman.log > > ++++++++ > > Mar 09 20:57:09 2023 (9400) ACCEPT: <032101d952c9$caf09990$60d1ccb0$(a)naturalintelligence.us> > > Mar 09 13:03:42 2023 (9397) HyperKitty archived message <032101d952c9$caf09990$60d1ccb0$(a)naturalintelligence.us> to https://lists.ccalternatives.org/archives/list/redlatinleg@lists.ccalternat… These are the expected messages (there seems to be a time zone difference) and in the absence of any other error type messages say the message should have been delivered to the eligible recipients. Are there any? See https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… or the results from ``` mailman members -r -n enabled redlatinleg(a)lists.ccalternatives.org ``` > mailmansuite.log not relevant. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: duplicate SITE_IDs and broken /postorius/lists/ display; Mailman Client

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/24/22 01:11, Stanisław Findeisen via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi > > I am having 4 different virtual domains (FILTER_VHOST = True). However on the domain list page in Postorius: https://.../postorius/domains/ I can see only 3 different SITE_IDs: 1,1,4,3. If I recall correctly, the "3" and "4" were created manually using the Postorius Web UI, whereas the two "1"s were created using the Mailman Client: > > client.create_domain(name) > > Is this a bug? Or did I mess something up? > What significance do those SITE_IDs have? The issue is client.create_domain doesn't support setting a Web Host. Web Hosts are the sites in the django_site table and SITE_ID is the id of the table entry. See `sites` in the Django admin UI. So when you create a domain with client.create_domain it gets arbitrarily assigned to a `site` > What I also noticed is that in the Postorius Web UI: https://.../postorius/lists/ both "1" domains display the lists contained in "3", whereas both "3" and "4" display correctly their lists. Except the "3", all domains are empty at the moment (no lists) (so "4" correctly displays no lists). Not sure if this is related?... FILTER_VHOST = True is imperfect. Lists have no Web Host attribute, only a Mail Host. Thus, with FILTER_VHOST = True, we get the Mail Host from the domains that have a Web Host matching the host in the http request. If that results in only one Mail Host, we limit the display to only those lists with that Mail Host, but otherwise we don't limit by domain. In other words, FILTER_VHOST = True only works if each Mail Host domain has a unique Web Host. If you have multiple Mail Host domains with the same Web Host (SITE_ID), FILTER_VHOST won't work for that Web Host. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Rafael Mora

Ok I'll take a look at it Thanks El mar., 25 jul. 2017 a las 16:14, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) escribió: > On 07/25/2017 01:43 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > Ok, should I install the SASL authentication daemon saslauthd and start > it? > > > Probably not. > > If you are trying to configure Postfix to send via a remote server, see > <http://www.postfix.org/SOHO_README.html#client_sasl_enable>. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

8 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Receiving 8bit-clean mail

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/17/19 3:02 PM, Alyssa Ross wrote: > A subscriber to a mailing list I administer has been sending 8bit UTF-8 > encoded mail, with no further quoted-printable / base64 / > etc. encoding. This is handled fine by my MTA and MUA, but Mailman > seems to have trouble with it. When mail is sent out from Mailman, the > « character is replaced by ??. > > Is this a bug, or is there just a configuration option or something I > need to set? I couldn't find anything in the documentation. It works for me. I created this message > From: Mark <mark(a)example.net> > To: test(a)example.net > Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 22:02:04 +0000 > Message-ID: <87wod39gkj.fsf(a)alyssa.is> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Subject: [MM3-users] Receiving 8bit-clean mail > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > A subscriber to a mailing list I administer has been sending 8bit UTF-8 > encoded mail, with no further 8bit / base64 / > etc. encoding. This is handled fine by my MTA and MUA, but Mailman > seems to have trouble with it. When mail is sent out from Mailman, the > « character is replaced by ??. > > Is this a bug, or is there just a configuration option or something I > need to set? I couldn't find anything in the documentation. > and posted it to a test list. The message was delivered and archived. The delivered message had the list footer added and was base64 encoded, but in both the delivered and archived message, the « character was intact. In what other ways does Mailman modify the message. Does it add a msg_header and/or msg_footer, if so, are they added to a simple text/plain message body or is the message more complex so they are added as separate mime parts. Does content filtering remove anything? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/17/20 11:24 AM, Mohsen Masoudfar wrote: > [mta] ... > configuration: python:mailman.config.postfix What's in this configuration file (mailman/config/postfix.cfg)? ... > in main.cf: > local_recipient_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/var/data/postfix_lmtp > transport_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/var/data/postfix_lmtp > virtual_alias_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/var/data/postfix_vmap > > Bur for some reason the postfix_lmtp.db is older than postfix_lmtp, which means it does not get updated automated, I guess. This leads me to think that your mailman/config/postfix.cfg contains transport_file_type: regex in which case all of the Mailman mappings defined in main.cf should be regexp: tables rather than hash: tables. If you had transport_file_type: hash The .db files would be generated/updated whenever the corresponding text files are generated/updated. > I restarted the whole stack and added a new list. In postfix logs I see: > Apr 17 18:20:28 mailmandev01 postfix/smtpd[31399]: error: open database /opt/mailman/var/data/postfix_domains.db: No such file or directory Where are you even referencing that? Did you forget relay_domains = hash:/path-to-mailman/var/data/postfix_domains in the above list? ... > In addition, I found out this : > > On my old mailman2 I have a setting in postfix main.cf: > alias_maps = dbm:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases > > the file /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases says in its first line: > # This file is generated by Mailman, and is kept in sync with the > # binary hash file aliases.db. YOU SHOULD NOT MANUALLY EDIT THIS FILE > > This makes a lot of sense to me. > > The point is I am missing any similar settings on postfix on mailman3. Mailman 2.1's data/aliases and data/virtual-mailman files have been replaced by the data/postfix* files in Mailman 3. I think your whole issue is you've configured Postfix with hash: tables but Mailman is generating regexp: tables. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Disable user registration

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/20/21 1:22 PM, mailman3(a)digicrime.com wrote: > I believe that your patch was for the web front end, but that would still allow people to join by sending email to listname-join(a)example.com. We wouldn't be running any web interface anyway. I wanted to disable all methods of users joining and only rely upon an administrative process to handle who joins. It's easy to imagine a corporate use case for this, such as "all people with offices in building 43" or "all employees with dependents on health insurance" where the definition of who is on a list is maintained in an external system. We're not actually a corporation - we're a professional society with different member classes in our membership database. In any case, the decision of who belongs on a list is not made by the user. I understand these scenarios, but unless there is a high volume of spurious subscriptions, can't this be handled by setting the subscription police to include moderator approval? > In the interim I discovered another problem with DMARC failures in gmail when mail is sent through mailman3. Mail sent directly from our exim instance doesn't have this problem, so perhaps it's a problem with SRS. I won't be investigating this further, but I'm sure that SPF hard fails will be causing more problems for mailing lists in the future. SPF always fails DMARC alignment on forwarded mail, whether from a mailing list or other forwarding mechanism because even though SPF may pass, the domain is that of the forwarding server, not the original sender. While it is possible for a domain to set a DMARC policy and to rely only on SPF for validation, any domain with a DMARC policy should also be DKIM signing the mail because DKIM signatures will survive simple forwarding such as via .forward files or MTA aliases. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 templates

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/15/23 23:04, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > The last time I referred to the link, I deliberately duplicated the <LC> > folder in two locations: > [09:51 ~ ]$ ls -al /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/site/en/ > total 48 > drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Feb 14 08:53 . > drwxr-xr-x 3 mailman mailman 512 Feb 14 08:53 .. > -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 615 Jan 17 13:57 domain:admin:notice:new-list.txt > -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 341 Jan 17 13:54 list:admin:action:post.txt > -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 158 Dec 17 13:32 list:member:digest:footer.txt > -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 452 Jan 17 13:54 list:member:digest:masthead.txt > -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 137 Jan 17 13:55 list:member:generic:footer.txt > -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 1219 Dec 8 15:12 list:member:regular:footer.txt > -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 944 Jan 17 15:50 list:user:action:subscribe.txt > -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 247 Jan 17 13:56 list:user:notice:post.txt > -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 802 Jan 17 13:56 list:user:notice:probe.txt > -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 639 Jan 17 13:57 list:user:notice:welcome.txt > > Yet, it is NOT being picked. So definitely something is wrong somewhere. If you have the same list:* file in both /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/site/en/ and /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/kictanet.lists.kictanet.or.ke/en/ the ones in the lists directory will take precedence for that list over the ones in the site directory. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/utilities/i18n… for a discussion of the search order. >> >> Are the other templates such as list:member:regular:footer.txt used? >> > > I do see that in posts to the list, but I believe that is perhaps only > working because the list had that footer when it was imported from MM2. A template from import21 of the kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke list will be stored in the /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/kictanet.lists.kictanet.or.ke/en/ directory. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: how to administrate mailman3 in CLI ?

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/23/23 07:40, testeur via Mailman-users wrote: > > |# mailman shell -l testlist(a)domain.tld | It looks like you are running `mailman shell` as `root`. You should always run mailman commands including starting mailman as the Mailman user, never as root. Running thing as root can create things that later can't be read by the mailman user. > ||>>> from mailman.interfaces.action import Action >>> for mbr in > m.members.members: mbr.moderation_action = Action.defer |||commit()| > > |||>>> from mailman.interfaces.action import Action |||||||>>> english = > getUtility(ILanguageManager).get('en')| >>> for mbr in > m.members.members: || mbr.preferences.acknowledge_posts = False > mbr.preferences.delivery_mode = DeliveryMode.regular > mbr.preferences.delivery_status = DeliveryStatus.enabled > mbr.preferences.hide_address = False mbr.preferences.preferred_language > = english mbr.preferences.receive_list_copy = False > mbr.preferences.receive_own_postings = True|commit()|| I'm not sure what the above actually says. The interaction should look like ``` >>> from mailman.interfaces.action import Action >>> english = getUtility(ILanguageManager).get('en') >>> for mbr in m.members.members: ... mbr.preferences.acknowledge_posts = False ... mbr.preferences.delivery_mode = DeliveryMode.regular ... mbr.preferences.delivery_status = DeliveryStatus.enabled ... mbr.preferences.hide_address = False ... mbr.preferences.preferred_language = english ... mbr.preferences.receive_list_copy = False ... mbr.preferences.receive_own_postings = True ... >>> commit() ``` Actually, importing Action is not necessary as it is among the things defined by default in `mailman shell` in interactive mode. > Before the shell command, the web interface was with an other language > (i tested with italian one) and other options preferences, but after the > shell command, after a web interface refresh, it doesn't change. The above shell interaction sets the preferred_language for all list members to english. This has nothing to do with the language for the web UI. This is set by Django. See <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.2/topics/i18n/translation/#how-django-d…>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: rest api runner not running

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/27/21 5:13 AM, Christine wrote: > Hi, > I have been using mailman for about ten years, now I want to move the > lists to another server, I have installed mailman3 there, most of it > seems to be running, but the "rest api runner" is not. Nothing is > listening on port 8001. What have I missed? What do I do to start the > restapi runner? I checked the logs, I don't see anything suspicious. > > this is what systemctl status says: > > root@lists:~# systemctl status mailman3 > ● mailman3.service - Mailman3 server > Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; > vendor preset: enabled) > Active: failed (Result: timeout) since Sat 2021-03-27 12:04:06 UTC; > 6min ago > Docs: man:mailman(1) > https://mailman.readthedocs.io/ > Process: 173111 ExecStart=/usr/bin/mailman -C > /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg start --force (code=killed, signal=TERM) > > Mar 27 12:02:36 lists systemd[1]: Starting Mailman3 server... > Mar 27 12:04:06 lists systemd[1]: mailman3.service: start operation > timed out. Terminating. > Mar 27 12:04:06 lists systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result > 'timeout'. > Mar 27 12:04:06 lists systemd[1]: Failed to start Mailman3 server. Nothing is listening on port 8001 because apparently Mailman core failed to start. > There is nothing in mailman.log, nor in smtp.log What Mailman package is installed? Perhaps you should contact the packager for support. Can you run the mailman command manually, e.g. ``` sudo -u xxx mailman -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg ``` where `xxx` is the Mailman user which if I'm guessing correctly that this is a debian/ubuntu package, is `list`. Otherwise it might be `mailman`. That should just produce a list of `mailman` subcommands. If that works, try ``` sudo -u xxx mailman -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg info ``` and ``` sudo -u xxx mailman -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg start ``` and see what they produce. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: changeaddress command and nonmembers

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/2/23 09:28, Mike Wertheim wrote: > > Now that we're on Mailman 3 and the email list was migrated from MM2 to > MM3, we see that newaddress(a)gmail.com is a Member of the list, and we see > that oldaddress(a)hotmail.com is a NonMember of the list. That all makes > sense. > > But now, this person has decided that they actually want to go back to > using the old address. > > So I ran the command "mailman changeaddress newaddress(a)gmail.com > oldaddress(a)hotmail.com". But that gave me this output: > > Usage: mailman changeaddress [OPTIONS] OLD_ADDRESS NEW_ADDRESS > Try 'mailman changeaddress -h' for help. > > Error: Address oldaddress(a)hotmail.com already exists; can't change. > > > Can anyone explain how I can do what I'm trying to accomplish? The user needs to create an account in the web UI for newaddress(a)gmail.com and once that is done and she is logged in, she can add oldaddress(a)hotmail.com to her account. There are alternatives that you as list owner can do such as mass subscribing oldaddress(a)hotmail.com to the list and then disabling delivery to newaddress(a)gmail.com. There are also things you can do in `mailman shell` such as ``` $ mailman shell -l list.example.com Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. The variable 'm' is the list.example.com mailing list >>> mbr = m.nonmembers.get_member('oldaddress(a)hotmail.com') >>> mbr.role = MemberRole.member >>> commit() ``` > (Also, why is this error displaying the usage message? That seems odd, > since the number and type of arguments was correct.) That's the way the `mailman` command works. All errors start with the usage. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: CSS Hyperkitty ERROR

by Johan Alsina

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 3/18/25 3:39 PM, Johan Alsina via Mailman-users wrote: > > Like i said before, i think the problem comes with the css files in /static/CACHE.. because the ones that are in /static/hyperkitty are loading ok.. > > See this thread: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/7... > Some of that may be useful. > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan Hi Mark, i configured the paths to load all the files from /staticfiles/ but for some reason the .css files are loading but not showing again and i dont know why... https://freeimage.host/i/3ovaZgf https://freeimage.host/i/3ovaQ0G

10 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Default values for lists in Mailman 3

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/19/24 05:46, Markus Grandpré wrote: > Dear list, > > I would like to activate the invitation setting for all lists as > default. In Mailman 2.1 I have done this in the file > </etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py>: > > > DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_OR_INVITE = Yes > > > How can I do this in Mailman 3? There is a draft merge request at https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/930 which implements a framework for setting Postorius defaults and creates a setting to set the default for pre-verified on the mass subscription page. Once merged, this can easily be extended to provide a default for Invitation. In the mean time, you can only do this by patching src/postorius/forms/list_forms.py like ``` --- a/src/postorius/forms/list_forms.py +++ b/src/postorius/forms/list_forms.py @@ -1283,7 +1283,7 @@ class ListMassSubscription(forms.Form): invitation = forms.BooleanField( label=_('Invitation'), - initial=False, + initial=True, required=False, help_text=_( 'If checked, the other checkboxes are ignored and the users will ' ``` > Can I also transfer other default values > like: > > ... > DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en' > DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 1 > DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_OR_INVITE = Yes > DEFAULT_PRIVATE_ROSTER = 2 > DEFAULT_ARCHIVE = Off > DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE = 1 > ... > > from the very same configuration file to Mailman 3? Is there a > documentation of the default values for lists in Mailman 3? This is done by creating a list style with the desired defaults. See https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/styles/doc… for documentation of styles and see https://gitlab.com/mailman/example-mailman-plugin for an example of creating a plugin in Mailman core to make a persistent style. There is no specific doc for the list settings. You need to look at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/styles/base.py for the various settings and https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/styles/default… to see which default classes are applied for various styles. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Pck files stuck in out queue

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/6/25 15:21, Lieuallen, Thomas Otis via Mailman-users wrote: > Mark, > > There were no apparent permissions problems on templates. I was getting the ‘Cannot connect to SMTP server’ message in mailman.log. > > I did end up applying the patch to decorate.py and messages went through. I’ve since removed the patch, as I’m still looking for an answer and might as well let it queue up again. Per the above, template access is definitely the problem. > The only thing that is making me ponder at the moment is that the list owners setup a template for list:member:regular:footer in postorius. It appears that each list has a copy of that file. The modifications I see in postorius are not in their …/templates/list/<listname>/en/list:member:regular:footer.txt file. Are their modifications stored somewhere else and causing the problem? Templates set in Postorius are stored in the database in the postorius_emailtemplate table. At the same time an entry is made in the template table with a uri to retrieve the template from a Postorius API. The uri is something like http(s)://host/mailman3/api/templates/list/LIST-ID/list:member:regular:footer where the http(s)://host part is from the setting for POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL. The issue is that uri is not retrievable probably because the setting for POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL is wrong. You should look at the uris in the template table in the database and figure out what they should be, probably by trying to retrieve one in a browser with the scheme and host what you actually use to access Postorius. Once you figure out what the correct uri is you can set POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL appropriately, but this won't fix the existing template table entries. You can fix those manually in the database or you can delete and recreate the templates in Postorius after fixing POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL and restarting the Mailman web service. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

11 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Mass subscribe gives HTTP Error 500 when using custom template

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/28/20 6:15 AM, Jeffrey D wrote: > Hi, > > I have some issues with the Mass Subscribe option on Mailman 3.2.1. When using a custom "The notice sent to a member when they are subscribed to the mailing list." template, Postorius will throw an exception after pushing the "Subscribe Users" button on Mass Subscribe. ... > requests.exceptions.ConnectionError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='localhost', port=8000): Max retries exceeded with url: /postorius/api/templates/list/<MAILINGLIST>/list:user:notice:welcome (Caused by NewConnectionError('<urllib3.connection.HTTPConnection object at 0x7f0b5ce8d8d0>: Failed to establish a new connection: [Errno 111] Connection refused')) > > Postorius/Mailman is running on port 8001, only Postorius still connecting on port 8000. What is your setting in settings(_local).py for POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL? It looks like you have the default POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://localhost:8000' It should be the base URL for connecting to Postorius. I.e., if you normally connect to Postorius via https://www.example.com/postorius, it should be https://www.example.com You say Postorius/Mailman is running on port 8001. Mailman core's rest server should be listening on port 8001, but your web server can't proxy to Postorius on that port. Normally, the wsgi server that supports wsgi access to Django (Postorius and HyperKitty) listens on port 8000, at least if it is gunicorn or uwsgi proxied from your web server, or if it's Apache and mod_wsgi, proxying is not involved. Again, it looks like you may be using Apache and mod_wsgi in which case you could have POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL set to something like https://www.example.com or even http://localhost or http://localhost:80, but not port 8000 if no wsgi server is listening there. Also, the URL is now in the database entry for this template in the postorius_emailtemplate table, so even after you fix POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL, you'll probably have to delete and recreate the template in Postorius. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman rewrite the Cc header incorrectly

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/21/20 7:52 PM, Alan So wrote: > > Since the CC header remains unchanged if we test using "mailman inject", we may further check whether Mailman LMTP Runner change the CC header. You are correct. If I post your test via email rather than `mailman inject`, I see the issue. I'm working on figuring out why. (Sorry for spamming you with test Ccs.) I'm at a loss to explain why `mailman inject` doesn't show this. I have captured the queued message and the only differences I see between the one from the lmtp runner and the one from inject is the one from lmtp runner has an X-MailFrom: header and 'received_time': datetime.datetime(2020, 5, 22, 3, 45, 24, 532711), 'to_list': True, and I even tried running `mailman inject` with `-m to_list=True` and it still didn't fail. However, if I take the qfile that dumps as ``` > $ bin/mailman qfile 1590119124.5909426+9a002936a59e194f70187405ac624173cbf470b5.pck > [----- start pickle -----] > <----- start object 1 -----> > Received: by msapiro.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) > id 60624340253; Thu, 21 May 2020 20:45:24 -0700 (PDT) > From: mark(a)msapiro.net > To: list(a)example.com > CC: "ABC DEF > (XYZ)" <mark(a)msapiro.net> > Subject: testing please ignore > Message-ID: <something_more(a)example.net> > Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 09:53:58 +0800 (HKT) > Message-ID-Hash: NDG3FHLPO35F2Y4YXFAKFIKDXAC6FHGM > X-Message-ID-Hash: NDG3FHLPO35F2Y4YXFAKFIKDXAC6FHGM > X-MailFrom: mark(a)msapiro.net > > hello > > <----- start object 2 -----> > { '_parsemsg': False, > 'listid': 'list.example.com', > 'original_size': 326, > 'received_time': datetime.datetime(2020, 5, 22, 3, 45, 24, 532711), > 'to_list': True, > 'version': 3} > [----- end pickle -----] ``` and put it in the 'in' queue the received message from the list does contain CC: XYZ <ABCDEF(a)msapiro.net> Thus, the issue occurs downstream of lmtp runner. It will take more investigation to determine where. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to prevent members to attach executables (exe, bat, ...) to the emails sent to list

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/30/20 9:25 AM, Mohsen Masoudfar wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to find a way for content filtering to remove executables from the emails sent to the list. I found some hints under: > https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/stable/build/lib/mailman/handlers/docs/fi… > > but still not clear how to do it for all type of excecutables. There are four list settings that affect this. They are pass_types, pass_extensions, filter_types and filter_extensions. the pass_* settings specify message parts the list will accept while the filter_* settings specify message parts the list won't accept. The page at <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/stable/src/mailman/handlers/docs/filterin…> only discusses filter_types and needs updating for the others. Filtering by extension only works on message parts that have an associated file name. Thus, while you can add things like 'exe', 'bat', 'cmd', 'com', 'pif', 'scr', 'vbs' and 'cpl' to filter_extensions, it won't be completely effective. A better approach is to use MIME types[1] and only allow those you want. For a discussion list, a reasonable set is what this list uses: multipart message/rfc822 text application/pgp-signature This will accept any multipart and message/rfc822 parts for further analysis and ultimately accept only text/* and application/pgp-signature elemental parts. If you want to accept images and pdfs, you can add image application/pdf See <https://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/media-types.xhtml> for a list of all registered MIME types. Note that these are all of the form main_type/sub_type and putting just main_type in *_types passes or filters all subtypes for that maintype. [1] You can use both, e.g. filter_extensions to remove those you don't want and pass_types to accept the MIME types you do want. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Is it possible to use an authenticator with incorrect, missing, or changing email addresses?

by Mark Sapiro

On 05/23/2018 12:56 PM, andrew(a)fsf.org wrote: > Hello Mailman 3 users list, > > I was wondering if it's possible to set up a CAS authenticator with django-allauth ( https://pypi.org/project/django-allauth-cas/ ) even if we cannot guarantee the correctness of email addresses supplied by our CAS instance? Some contacts may also be missing an email address. I read about this here, and it seems like it wouldn't be possible: > > http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html#configure-social-login > >> To see a list of all the providers, please have a look at the documentation of django-allauth. Make sure that the one you choose provides “email” as part of user data, otherwise it won’t work with Mailman. e.g. Twitter doesn’t give out emails. > > What if a user's email address changes on the CAS server? Will their email address in Mailman 3 be updated the next time they log in? If django-allauth-cas can't provide an email address, that user can't use it for Mailman authentication because authentication is for a registered email address. The way it works is a user registers an email address with Mailman. Once the address is registered, but not before, it can be linked to one or more configured django-allauth providers, and once linked, the user can log in to the Mailman web UI via a linked allauth provider. If the allauth provider doesn't supply the user's email address, I don't think it can be linked, but even if it can, it won't work. If the user's CAS email changes, the user would have to add the new address to her account in Mailman and could then link the new address to the CAS allauth provider. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Odd hold message

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/4/19 6:00 AM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > I received a very simple post today that was held with the following reason: > > The message is being held because: > > Message contains administrivia > > At your convenience, visit your dashboard to approve or deny the > request. > > > What is this all about? What does Mailman consider to be administrivia, of > all things, and why is this a reason to hold a message? The administrivia check is designed to detect messages posted to a list which look like they should have been sent to the list-request address instead. You can turn this check off in Postorius at Settings -> Message Acceptance -> Administrivia. > The only thing in the message I can see is that it mentioned '100 members'. > Is Mailman becoming sentient and developing an attitude? Seriously, I'd > like to know more about this. That's not the reason. The administrivia rule checks the Subject: header and the first N non-blank lines of the first text/plain part of the message for things that look like an email command. I.e., lines that begin with a command word followed by the appropriate number of 'arguments'. Here's the list EMAIL_COMMANDS = { # keyword: (minimum #args, maximum #args) 'confirm': (1, 1), 'help': (0, 0), 'info': (0, 0), 'lists': (0, 0), 'options': (0, 0), 'password': (2, 2), 'remove': (0, 0), 'set': (3, 3), 'subscribe': (0, 3), 'unsubscribe': (0, 1), 'who': (0, 2), } This is actuall not a valid list because it is from Mailman 2.1 and not all the above are valid Mailman 3 email commands, but that's what is checked. The N is the configured value for [mailman] email_commands_max_lines: (default 10) Thus, if the Subject: or one of the first 10 non-blank lines is who are you? the administrivia rule will hit. See the source in mailman/rules/administrivia.py for more detail. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Issues with migrating from Mailman2 to Mailman 3

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/22/19 10:29 AM, Uwe Grasshoff wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm currently trying to convert a Debian based mailman2 installation to > a docker based mailman3 installation. > I successfully running the mailman-web and mailman-core containers > together with the database container but I'm struggling with the import > of the old mailing lists. In the core container I'm running this two > commands for every mailing list: > > mailman create mailman(a)example.com > mailman import21 mailman(a)example.com > /oldmailman/lists/mailman/config.pck > > Then I'm switching over to the mailman-web container and running this > two commands: > > python3.6 manage.py hyperkitty_import -l mailman(a)example.com > /oldmailman/archives/private/mailman.mbox/mailman.mbox > python3.6 manage.py update_index_one_list mailman(a)example.com > > I'm getting no errors or something else which could indicate a problem. > After that I'm looking into the web interface > http://example.com/postorius/lists/ > There I can only see the public mailing list and the private ones are > not shown there (as expected). Everything up to this point is expected behavior. > When I then try to login with the List > Manager credentials of the lists (from mailman2) I can't login in. So I > thought maybe I have to "register" myself again to than get access to > the list management. > So I tried that but when I filled out the form and click "Register" I'm > presented with an error page which titles "Serverfehler" (Server error > in german) and the message "An error occurred while processing your > request." I'm not sure about the error, but the import21 process registered you so what you need to do is go to the Login page, click "Forgot Password?" and then request a password reset. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: One bounce, 5 bounce counts

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/13/22 6:17 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: > > My problem, though, is that some subscribers may be disabled even they are able to receive mails (confirmed with sendmail -bv), and I have been looking at one subscriber in particular. > > > 1. Can there be (i'm not saying there are, maybe it's my lack of knowledge) somthing regarding Mailman? > 2. And what would the appropeiate per list bounce settings, if not default? Referring to the example below, it seems that your Postfix delivers successfully to the first hop MX of the recipient, but the mail bounces further downstream resulting in an emailed bounce. One thing you can do to help mitigate scoring of bounces of emails due to spam filtering is to set ``` [mta] verp_probes: yes ``` This will cause Mailman to not disable delivery when bounce score reaches threshold, but rather send a probe which hopefully won't be detected as spam and only disable delivery if the probe bounces. > Actual example: > > > * Mailman sent seemly 6 mails to a member on January 6th. > * I see one bouce message D1426CE22A in Postfix log that was delivered back to Mailman > * I see that Mailman is counting the bounce score from 1 to 5, one at the time, but that was day after receiving the bounce, and no other mails have been sent to the user on the 7th nor received as bounce on the 7th. I suspect that it must have been in the Postfix queue until then, but I wonder why that could be - but could be. > * The bounce would be in the Postfix queue until sent to Mailman and thus removed from the Postfix queue. I suspect the issue is something like a connection problem from the recipient MX to a relay MX that is not being reported as a bounce until the retry interval has expired. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: All addresses in a bounced list posting seem to be considered as bouncing

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/9/22 6:35 AM, Andy Smith wrote: > > I'm concerned that Mailman seems to have scored my address as > bouncing even though it isn't, merely because it appears inside a > message that was rejected. > > Is that expected? Is there any way to avoid it? No, it's not and it should not ever happen. > I see that Mailman has a bunch of heuristics to parse bounce > messages. In this case though, there shouldn't have been a bounce > message received to users-bounces@, as this was an SMTP-time > rejection. Mailman seems to have parsed addresses out of the actual > mail it was sending, rather than only scoring the subscriber address > it was trying to send a list posting to. Yes, flufl.bounce is used to parse messages delivered to the -bounces. There are a lot of hueristic recognizers, but RFC 3464 compliant DSNs should be recognized by the DSN detector which is tried first and which gets the failed address from the report. See https://gitlab.com/warsaw/flufl.bounce/-/blob/master/flufl/bounce/_scan.py#… However, SMTP failures do not result in DSNs to the -bounces address. If recipients are refused at SMTP time, this should result in a message in Mailman's smtp.log of the form ``` <message_id> recipients refused: <mta's message> ``` and we create a fake DSN (see https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/runners/outgoi…) to be processed as a bounce for the failed recipient. In this case, no parsing of the failed message should occur. I can't explain what happened in your case. It seems that somehow the original post was delivered to the -bounces address and parsed by one of the heuristic recognizers (probably simplematch), but how could that happen? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Attachement processings questions

by Lars Schimmer

On 2020-02-04 19:15, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/4/20 9:02 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> You can fix it by patching the Python library email/generator.py as at >> <https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/18056/files#diff-220640ea02a24dfdbb0…>. > > > > And once you have patched email/generator.py and restarted Mailman core, > you can deliver the messages by running the `mailman unshunt` command, > but first look in var/queue/shunt/ to ensure you won't be unshunting any > unwanted messages. You can examine those files with `mailman qfile`. Great This did helped. Thank you. MfG, Lars Schimmer -- ------------------------------------------------------------- TU Graz, Institut für ComputerGraphik & WissensVisualisierung Tel: +43 316 873-5405 E-Mail: l.schimmer(a)cgv.tugraz.at Fax: +43 316 873-5402 PGP-Key-ID: 0x4A9B1723

5 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Help with mailman user and mailman Web users

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/15/22 05:57, Sherin wrote: > > I have installed mailman3 server and configured MailmanWeb ( > hyperkity + Postorious ) . The service and everything works fine, but I > am little bit confuses with the user management in mailman3, > > 1) I created an owner user for a mailing list using the mailmanclient > api tools, # from mailmanclient.client import Client > 2) I can't login to the Mailmanweb with this user There are Mailman users and Django users. These are distinct. Creating a Mailman user does not automatically create a Django user and vice versa. In order to log in to the web UI, one must be a Django user, so this user has to go to the web UI and Sign Up. > For further investigation shows the mailman have its own database and > the web frontend have its own database too. > So my question is how to configure the webfrontend ( hyperkit+ > postorious ) to use the accounts logins created from the mailmanclient > api from the mailman core database. You can't. Well, I suppose you could modify the HyperKitty sync_mailman job or create another Django job to create Django users for Mailman users who aren't currently Django users, but short of that, there's no config for it. > Or is there a way to use only one user management system ? No. Mailman core and the web UI are separate applications by design in order to enable Mailman core to operate with any appropriate web UI. We provide Postorius and HyperKitty as web UIs for management and archiving and they are based on Django which has its own user management. It was our hope that other, perhaps more light weight, web UIs would be developed and available, but aside from EMWD's proprietary Harmony/Empathy PHP applications, we are not aware of any. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman 2.1 or 3.0 (or another MLM)

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/26/22 11:05, nate wrote: > > Can I suggest the messaging to new users be improved to communicate > this situation as it is not clear. > > The automated message I got said this was the reason my message was > held: The message comes from a moderated member. > > Which makes sense if I REALLY think about it(I was a moderated member > at first), but then the next question is why was I moderated. Your > explanation makes sense. > > It would be nice if it had more info along the lines of what you > said, or even better adjust the messaging for the "Welcome" email > to indicate your first message(s) will be held for moderation(I checked > both emails I got back from the list just now to verify this info is > not there). I was confused for a while(again 21 year veteran of mailman) > thinking I sent my message using the wrong email address, after confirming > I sent with the right one I just decided to wait to see what would > happen. The situation is no different in Mailman 2.1. The issue is that what may be appropriate in the held message to the user or the list welcome message depends on list configuration and the policies of the particular list. Thus, we can't really modify the default message templates in this way. It requires making list specific templates or possibly domain or site specific templates where all the lists in a domain or site have the same policies. This can be done by list, domain or site admins, but doing or suggesting this on a site like, e.g., mail.python.org which has 232 Mailman 2.1 lists with a total of 243 unique owners and 182 Mailman 3 lists with a total of 212 unique owners is a daunting prospect. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: Digests not working correctly

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/4/23 18:35, Joel Lord wrote: > > The periodic digests do seem to be coming out. I also now have > confirmation that the one message in this morning's digest that was from > May 4th was also included in the last digest back on May 4th, so it > seems that the one message was left behind in the digest queue when the > periodic digest was sent. I don't see how that can happen. The process that sends a digest renames the var/lists/<list-id>/digest.mmdf mailbox file in which the messages are accumulated to var/lists/<list-id>/digest.<volume>.<issue>.mmdf, where <volume> and <issue> are the volume and issue numbers of that digest, and then queues a message in the `digest` queue to tell the digest runner to create the digest from the messages in that mbox and send it. Thus, it leaves no var/lists/<list-id>/digest.mmdf mailbox file behind and that is created anew when the next post arrives. Further, if there is a non-empty digest.mmdf file, its messages should be sent no later than the next 11 PM `cron digests`. > There was one earlier message to the list > back on May 4th, before the one that got duplicated, but I can't tell if > that triggered a size-based digest to be sent: the logs aren't clear > enough on that detail for me to tell. OK > Just to inform things: > > (venv) lists@host2:~/mailman/venv/bin$ pip freeze | grep mailman > django-mailman3==1.3.9 > mailman==3.3.8 > mailman-hyperkitty==1.2.1 > mailman-web==0.0.6 > mailmanclient==3.3.5 > (venv) lists@host2:~/mailman/venv/bin$ pip freeze | grep hyper > mailman-hyperkitty==1.2.1 Actually, it's HyperKitty, not hyperkitty, but I assume HyperKitty is up to date as are the others. > (venv) lists@host2:~/mailman/venv/bin$ pip freeze | grep post > postorius==1.3.8 > > -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: User settings triggers error

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/28/20 12:55 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: > > So in trying to download the recent archives ("export/trackjunkies-new.mbox.gz?start=2019-10-10&end=2020-06-28”), I end up with an 8.5MB file with one day’s worth of posts in it (2019-10-10). > > I see these errors in the mailman-web.log: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 2060, in get_msg_id > token, value = get_dot_atom_text(value) > File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 1325, in get_dot_atom_text > raise errors.HeaderParseError("expected atom at a start of " > email.errors.HeaderParseError: expected atom at a start of dot-atom-text but found ' <BYAPR02MB5976132151FF19510269C44CB3940(a)BYAPR02MB5976.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>>' If I'm reading the above correctly, it appears that there is a message in the archive database whose message_id value is 'BYAPR02MB5976132151FF19510269C44CB3940(a)BYAPR02MB5976.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>'. The trailing '>' is causing HyperKitty's Email.as_message() method to try to set a value of '<BYAPR02MB5976132151FF19510269C44CB3940(a)BYAPR02MB5976.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>>'. Or maybe there's leading white space in the value, or both. Try the following patch. --- a/hyperkitty/models/email.py +++ b/hyperkitty/models/email.py @@ -24,7 +24,7 @@ import logging import os import re from email.message import EmailMessage -from email.utils import formataddr +from email.utils import formataddr, make_msgid from django.conf import settings from django.db import IntegrityError, models @@ -175,7 +175,12 @@ class Email(models.Model): header_date = self.date.astimezone(tz).replace(microsecond=0) # Date format: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5322#section-3.3 msg["Date"] = header_date.strftime("%a, %d %b %Y %H:%M:%S %z") - msg["Message-ID"] = "<%s>" % self.message_id + try: + msg["Message-ID"] = "<%s>" % re.sub('[<>\s]', '', + self.message_id) + except: + msg["Message-ID"] = make_msgid() if self.in_reply_to: msg["In-Reply-To"] = unfold(self.in_reply_to) Also note that if you got 8.5.MB for one day's messages, probably the entire range will time out and you'll have to get it in pieces. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: uncaught bounce messages

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/23/21 10:51 AM, David Bremner wrote: > > I'm getting (many) uncaught bounce messages for one user. Other than > forcibly unsubscribing them, is there anything I can do? I hesitate to > post this message publically, but here is what I can see, somewhat > anonymized If you send me the complete bounce message off list, I can see if it should be added to the recognition at https://gitlab.com/warsaw/flufl.bounce/. BTW, is flufl.bounce in your installation version 4.0? If not you can update via pip install -U flufl.bounce which may help. Actually, depending on how these where installed, it might be necessart=y to do pip install -U flufl.bounce flufl.lock flufl.i18n To avoid import errors due to packaging issues. > The MIME structure looks like > > └┬╴multipart/mixed 7030 bytes > ├─╴text/plain 442 bytes > ├─╴message/delivery-status 176 bytes > └─╴text/rfc822-headers 5301 bytes This is not a RFC 3464 compliant DSN which looks like the above except the top level is multipart/report, not multipart/mixed. However, our recognizer shouldn't care as it only looks at the message/delivery-status part. > In /var/log/mailman3/bounce.log I see lines like > > Oct 23 08:20:00 2021 (5320) Bounce message w/no discernable addresses: <hex-digits(a)foo.bar> <hex-digits(a)foo.bar> is the Message-ID: > In the delivery-status part I see A compliant DSN will also have a Reporting-MTA: section preceding the Final-Recipient: section. > Final-Recipient: rfc822; fub(a)foo.bar > Action: delayed > Status: 4.0.0 This is not a bounce. It is a 'delivery delayed' message. If delivery is not accomplished within an MTA configured time (days), it will turn into a 5.x.x failure which is a bounce, but since fub(a)foo.bar was not recognized, the DSN is non-compliant in some way. In any case, please send me a copy of the bounce so I can see about recognizing it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: How do you remove the Hold on all non-member forwarded emails?

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/26/23 12:38 PM, Sean Westfall wrote: > > But I am having trouble using one of its configurations. I configured my mailmain3 instance to accept all non-member emails, as I want all emails that are sent to the mailman client to go to all subscribers without having it held for moderation -- I did this by setting this setting: > > https://i.imgur.com/PGzaD0k.png > > Action to take for postings from non-members for which no explicit action is defined. (Details for generic_nonmember_action) -> "Accept" That screen shot and language is from Mailman 2.1, not Mailman 3. > But this doesn't work for forwarded emails. Even if the email address that is being forwarded from is included in the "List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted." > > I noticed that all emails that are forwarded to the mailing list are always held for moderation -- though this isn't the case for email that are sent to the mailing list directly. But I want it so that emails that are even forwarded to my mailman mailing list don't get held in moderation. > > How do I set mailman to do this? I was thinking if there is no way to configure this easily then I might have to do this from the code, which means I might have to ask on the developer mailing list -- or I have to go with an entirely different solution (using something other than mailman3). Please clarify whether you are using Mailman 2.1 or Mailman 3. There should be no difference between a message sent directly vs. a forwarded message. What is the reason given for why the message is held? Also, the appropriate list for Mailman 2.1 is mailman-users(a)python.org <https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Message does not appear in archive

by Mark Sapiro

On 09/03/2018 06:13 PM, Paul Arenson wrote: > Hi again. I take it the lack of responses mean I should wait it out a little longer? It's of course up to you, but I recommend Mailman 3. There are still some rough edges, and there are a number of settings not yet exposed in Postorius, but we are working on it and it is quite usable today. > I was considering, as mentioned, Fed Forum (but not much help in setting up), Slack and Flock. Would all mean more work than I can afford. > > Which is why upgrading from Mailman 2 to 2 still seems like the best idea. > > We would then have the perfect upgrade to Mailman 2, where people could more easily find their topics (aided by a lot of nudging to be proactive in choosing the topic to post in and not doing thread hijacking). Do you mean Mailman 3? > I looked to see if there was anyone doing this sort of service. All I could find is someone doing their own hosting called https://mailman3.com/. mailman3.com is a Mailman 3 hosting service unaffiliated with the GNU Mailman project. > I would much prefer to upgrade my C-Panel installation of the lists, which by the way are here: > > https://gale-sig.org/mailman/listinfo/galemembers_gale-sig.org > https://gale-sig.org/mailman/listinfo/galeexec_gale-sig.org > > Any estimate on if/when I would be able to upgrade these c-panel forums (or possibly get someone to help me move them?) I suspect it will be some time before Cpanel offers Mailman 3. It is fairly straightforward to migrate an existing Mailman 2.1 list and it's archives to Mailman 3, but it requires access to the underlying Mailman 2 file system which you may not have in a hosted cPanel environment. See <http://docs.list.org/en/latest/migration.html> for more on migration. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: search this list searches more then just this list

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/26/24 02:44, Marco van Tol wrote: > Op 25 jan 2024, om 14:16 heeft Marco van Tol <mvantol(a)ripe.net> het volgende geschreven: >> >> Okay, so, I got a bit further, but something still gets stuck. >> >> Here’s what I did. >> Keep in mind I’m using containers that are built from some CI/CD pipeline, so I updated the pipeline to apply the patch attached to this email to `/usr/lib/python3.11/site-packages/xapian_backend.py`. >> >> Before I had 2 list servers with the “Term too long” issue, 1 got resolved by this, and the other did not. >> I opened a shell in the newly deployed container to confirm the patch was applied in it. >> >> The other attachment to this email is a copy/paste from the full error from `./manage.py rebuild_index`. >> >> Is there something else special in the email that makes it choke that evades the xapian patch? >> >> Thank you very much in advance! The message above with the attached "full error" never got to the list. What is the error report? > > I tried to change to ‘hash’, but the code in that bit of the function has not been tested enough. > > For example `hole = sha224(hole.encode('utf8')).hexdigest()` comes back with that the bytes object hole does not have an encode() method. > When I change it to `hole = sha224(hole).hexdigest()`, the following error is: That's only part of it. You need hole = sha224(hole).hexdigest().encode('utf8') > text = text[:match.start()] + hole + text[match.end():] > TypeError: can't concat str to bytes > > The ‘hash’ part of that function needs some debugging. Yes, presumably because no one sets `XAPIAN_LONG_TERM_METHOD=hash` in the environment. Do you have a reason for this? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years

[MM3-users] Re: No option 'postmap_command' in section: 'postfix'

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/30/23 02:44, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > The documentation > <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h…> > says that I need to create /path/to/postfix-mailman.cfg containing: > [postfix] > transport_file_type: regex > > Then append the path to the [mta] section of mailman.cfg, viz: > > [mta] ... > configuration: /path/to/postfix-mailman.cfg > > That is exactly what I have done on my test platform, but I get the error > below when creating a list. > Perhaps I overlooked something? ... > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/mta/postfix.py", > line 87, in __init__ > self.postmap_command = mta_config.get('postfix', 'postmap_command') > File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/configparser.py", line 792, in get > raise NoOptionError(option, section) > configparser.NoOptionError: No option 'postmap_command' in section: > 'postfix' This is a bug. Whether it is a bug in documention or code is not completely clear. Current code requires there be a `postmap_command:` setting in the [postfix] configuration even though it isn't used if `transport_file_type:` is set to regex. You can fix this in one of two ways. Either apply this patch ``` --- a/src/mailman/mta/postfix.py +++ b/src/mailman/mta/postfix.py @@ -84,9 +84,10 @@ class LMTP: def __init__(self): # Locate and read the Postfix specific configuration file. mta_config = external_configuration(config.mta.configuration) - self.postmap_command = mta_config.get('postfix', 'postmap_command') self.transport_file_type = mta_config.get( 'postfix', 'transport_file_type') + if self.transport_file_type == 'hash': + self.postmap_command = mta_config.get('postfix', 'postmap_command') def create(self, mlist): """See `IMailTransportAgentLifecycle`.""" ``` (watch for possible wrapped lines in above) or add postmap_command: unused to /path/to/postfix-mailman.cfg. Note however that hash tables for Postfix are more efficient than regex tables and the only reason we support regex tables is for a Docker container that doesn't have Postfix installed in the Mailman container. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Internal Server Error: /mailman3/accounts/fedora/login/

by Mohsen Masoudfar

Sorry, I found it! Thanks Mohsen -----Original Message----- From: Mohsen Masoudfar <mmasoudf(a)aaas.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 2:49 PM To: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>; mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Internal Server Error: /mailman3/accounts/fedora/login/ [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Thank you Mark for your help. I see fedora under Django administration: Home > Social Accounts > Social Accounts as a provider listed, but we do not use it and I would like to remove it. So far I did not find a way to delete it. We do not need Hyper Kitty either, because we do not archive any emails. I appreciate if you could point me how I may delete Fedora as a provider. Thanks Mohsen -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:25 PM To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Internal Server Error: /mailman3/accounts/fedora/login/ [EXTERNAL EMAIL] On 12/27/22 10:27, Mohsen Masoudfar wrote: > Hi, > I am getting the following errors starting some days ago. It is unclear to me what is causing this. I searched internet, there are some similar reports that mention bugs causing this. I am running mailman3 as Ubuntu 18 package and they do not provide any update for this. These are probably from some spammer trying to post to the sec_g_zoom(a)listserv2.aaas.org list from hyperkitty and trying to login via the fedora OpenID app which is not properly configured on your server. Do you actually want to support fedora as an OpenID provider? If not, you might remove 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora', from INSTALLED_APPS in your Django settings. Otherwise, see https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdjango-al… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai… Archived at: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai… This message sent to mmasoudf(a)aaas.org _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai… Archived at: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai… This message sent to mmasoudf(a)aaas.org

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Custom Archiver

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/1/23 16:33, Peter Knowles wrote: > Mark, > > The whole reason I'm developing my own "frontend" for both "list management" and "archive" access is because Python isn't really the language I speak... I'm a PHP guy, and so I'm working to build with the language I know and love, while utilizing Mailman for what it does best... In addition to implementing the frontend the way I want it (expose/hide feature that are useful/unuseful to our users), I want to fully customize the visual appearance to represent the SaaS offering properly. This is exactly the reason why Mailman core was decoupled from archiving and the web UI. HyperKitty and Postorius were developed because we knew that almost no one would use Mailman core without archiving and a web management UI, but we always hoped that others might develop and contribute other web based archiving and management interfaces. Brian Carpenter of EMWD who tragically died of COVID did exactly that with his Affinity and Empathy PHP applications that interface with Mailman core via the REST API. EMWD hosts lists that use those interfaces, and had Brian not died, some version of those might be open sourced, but his initial thrust was to keep them proprietary for his business reasons. There is an early description of Brian's concept for Affinity at https://gitlab.com/mailman/affinity. > *** we're not try to hide that Mailman is in the equation, just how the overall interface is visually represented *** > > That all being said, on a slight segway... Aside from using the REST API, is it practical or possible to manipulate the database directly? That is, in doing so would it just work or are there extra moving parts when an API request is issued? It probably is possible, but I would definitely discourage it. The REST API should provide everything you need without your having to reimplement everything it does. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Setting up Admin Account

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/14/2017 08:13 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > So I installed a crontab for list and read about configuring the DB (I think > I'll use SQLite). I got to http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html > . Because of the dollar sign, I assume that the commands are to be run as > list. Here's what I did: > > root@lists:~# ls > root@lists:~# sudo list > sudo: list: command not found The command you want there is something like sudo -u list bash or whatever shell you want. > root@lists:~# su list > This account is currently not available. Probably because the default shell for list is nologin. But, I see you eventually figured it out. > root@lists:~# ls /var/list > ls: cannot access '/var/list': No such file or directory > root@lists:~# locate mailman-suite_project > root@lists:~# mkdir /var/list > root@lists:~# chown list.list /var/list > root@lists:~# su list > This account is currently not available. > root@lists:~# man su > root@lists:~# su -s /bin/bash list > list@lists:/root$ cd > list@lists:~$ cd mailman-suite_project > bash: cd: mailman-suite_project: No such file or directory > list@lists:~$ mkdir mailman-suite_project > list@lists:~$ cd mailman-suite_project > list@lists:~/mailman-suite_project$ python manage.py createsuperuser > python: can't open file 'manage.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory > list@lists:~/mailman-suite_project$ locate manage.py > /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/conf/project_template/manage.py > /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/conf/project_template/manage.pyc > /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/example_project/manage.py > /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/example_project/manage.pyc > /usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/falcon/bench/dj/manage.py > > Which manage.py should I use? Probably /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/example_project/manage.py but your apparent lack of basic system administration skills is not making things easy for you. You might be better off looking at <http://docs.list.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html#mailman-3-in-docker>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: New messages not being archived

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/15/21 12:55 PM, Sarah H wrote: > > The log is mostly these three errors repeatedly with the same above wall of html between them, some of them end with (404) after the last html tag indicating url not found and browsing to them gives the same custom 404 page for postorius. The code is if result.status_code != 200: logger.error("HyperKitty failure on %s: %s (%s)", url, result.text, result.status_code) raise ValueError(result.text) > Jul 15 12:37:08 2021 (471314) HyperKitty failure on http://lists.client.org/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive: So the above log entry should be followed by result.text and result.status_code. The next entry below is from the `raise ValueError(result.text)` What do you get from curl http://lists.client.org/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive and what if you change the scheme in the base_url setting to https? > Jul 15 12:37:08 2021 (471314) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 154, in _archive_message > url = self._send_message(mlist, msg) > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", line 210, in _send_message > raise ValueError(result.text) > ValueError: And this one below is is because of the above exception. > Jul 15 12:37:08 2021 (471314) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: > > I was able to find (about 5000 lines up in the log for a single post attempt... it's a bit excessive to print the html response every error) this when I dug through instead of tailing the last 500 lines. > > [15/Jul/2021:12:37:06 -0700] "GET /3.1/addresses/sarah.h@email HTTP/1.1" 200 380 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" > > and at the start of the block: > > [15/Jul/2021:12:37:03 -0700] "GET /3.1/lists/admin.lists.client.org/member/sarah.%40email HTTP/1.1" 200 516 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" > Jul 15 12:37:05 2021 (471317) ACCEPT: <162637782380.3116.619498070458942231@sysname> These are from the Mailman REST API and are not relevant to your issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty no longer archiving

by Mark Sapiro

First, my apologies for not taking note of your MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM setting in your OP. On 11/22/22 08:52, Hirayama, Pat wrote: > Steve wrote: >> 2. Does settings.py have "from settings_local import *" in it? > > Yes. I assume that overrides the MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM and other related settings defined at the top of the settings.py file? Or should I update settings.py based on what is in settings_local.py? Assuming the `from settings_local import *` is at the end of settings.py, anything defined in settings_local.py will override the definition in settings.py. There's no need to change settings.py. >> 3. Are there multiple copies of settings.py lying around? > > Well, there are these: > > ./usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/rest_framework/settings.py > > ./usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/postorius/doc/settings.py > > ./usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_q/tests/settings.py > > ./usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django_extensions/settings.py > > ./usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailmanclient/restobjects/settings.py > > ./usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/example_project/settings.py > > > Only the last has MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM defined in it, but I was assuming from the example_project subdirectory name that this was just a sample file, and besides, "from settings_local import *" is also set in it. Yes, those are all samples. The ``` ERROR 2022-11-22 00:25:40,365 7 hyperkitty.views.mailman Access to the archiving API endpoint was forbidden from IP 172.31.0.1, your MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM setting may be misconfigured ``` message comes from https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/views/mailma… which only occurs if '172.31.0.1' is not in MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM. Given that it is in MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM as defined in settings_local.py, the only thing I can conclude is that the Django settings actually used is not the settings.py you think it is. I don't know offhand even what wsgi service is used in the docker container or how it is configured, but it needs to set its working directory to the directory containing settings.py. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: cc'd e-mail addresses rewritten with @invalid.domain

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/23/20 12:48 PM, pwilliam(a)fredhutch.org wrote: > Hi Mailman Users, > > I've done some more testing with this issue and have determined that this seems to be an issue with how commas within the display name in cc'd messages are being processed with messages sent from the Outlook client. > > Here are some test scenarios. Note I set the mailing list I was testing with to hold messages in moderation. Once the message was held I copied the information from the headers directly from Postorius held message information into the space below: > > Test Scenario 1: > Display name in Outlook: Williamss, Peterr C > Outcome: Does not work as intended. The CC address is formatted as Williamss(a)invalid.domain in messages received by mailing list members, oddly the "Peterr C" part of the display name is not present anywhere in the CC addresses received by mailing list members. > Header information from held message in Postorius > CC: "os-x-lion(a)lists.test.org" <os-x-lion(a)lists.test.org>, > "Williamss, > Peterr C" <peterbw(a)test.com> "Williamss, Peterr C" <peterbw(a)test.com> is correct for how this address spec should be represented. If in fact, it is split into two lines "Williamss, Peterr C" <peterbw(a)test.com> as it appears above, it looks to me as if the actual header should be > CC: "os-x-lion(a)lists.test.org" <os-x-lion(a)lists.test.org>, "Williamss, Peterr C" <peterbw(a)test.com> but is being folded on the whitespace between Williamss and Peterr. This is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/725>, fixed at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/652>. The fix will be in the next (3.3.2) release of Mailman core. This is really an Outlook issue. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/725#note_351314868> for why folding within a quoted string is allowed, but in cases like this SHOULD not be done. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Rafael Mora

As Abhilash said I checked the django configuration for email but nothing happens when the program sends the confirmation email. Is there any other configuration file for django emails? On Tue, Aug 1, 2017, 23:18 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 08/01/2017 02:40 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > Why isn't it sending emails? > > > > What do you think? > > > What exactly are you doing that you think should result in sent mail? > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

8 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Adding user - Error 409 Subscription request already pending

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/19/19 6:33 PM, kevin(a)coastalaska.org wrote: > We have a couple of people trying to subscribe to our list but receive an error similar to: > {"title": "409 Conflict", "description": "Subscription request already pending"} > > If I try to Mass Subscribe them in Postorius I get this error: > HTTP Error 409: b'{"title": "409 Conflict", "description": "Subscription request already pending"}' > > In Postorius I don't see them hung up in Subscription requests. Postorius since 1.2.3 does not show subscription requests waiting user confirmation, only those waiting moderator approval. Thus, if the list's subscription policy is confirm or confirm then moderate, the subscribing user will be sent an email requesting confirmation. If the user hasn't answered that email, the request is pending user confirmation, and since 1.2.3, you won't see it in Postorius. [Update: this is fixed in 1.2.4] > What to do? 1) have the user find the confirmation request email and confirm, or 2) wait for the request to expire (default 3 days) 3) using mailman shell or the REST api or direct interaction with the database, find the token and confirm it. A shell example is ``` mailman shell -l your.list.id Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell The variable 'm' is the your.list.id mailing list >>> util = getUtility(IPendings) >>> list(util.find(mlist=m,pend_type='subscription')) ``` This returns a list of items like ('hex_token'), {'token_owner': 'subscriber', 'email': 'user(a)example.com', 'display_name': 'Jane User', 'when': '2019-04-09T01:26:08', 'type': 'subscription', 'list_id': 'your.list.id'}) You then do ``` >>> util.confirm('hex_token') ``` Note that https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/314 which was responsible for removing the subs waiting user confirmation from the Postorius listing suggested "there could be a different place to see the ones pending user approval, so that a moderator can look and/or delete those.", but that hasn't been done. [Update: this is fixed in 1.2.4] -- Mark Sapiro mark(a)msapiro.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Subscription request cannot be moderated: 404 Not Found

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/16/21 7:49 AM, Eric Broens via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi Mark, > I can't find any log entry which indicate a problem with this subscription request. > The _request table does not contain a request for the specific mailinglist, but I am not sure if subscription requests are included in this table. It is unclear and confusing, but the requests are not in the _request table. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/768#note_415536043>. So this is normal. > The token is found in the pended table: > > +-----+------------------------------------------+---------------------+ > | id | token | expiration_date | > +-----+------------------------------------------+---------------------+ > | 115 | 4d6b4b11266c7332684c5a492eb3f92c531f761b | 2031-01-04 16:17:38 | > +-----+------------------------------------------+---------------------+ > > These are the relevant entries in the pendedkeyvalue table: > +------+--------------+-------------------------------------+-----------+ > | id | key | value | pended_id | > +------+--------------+-------------------------------------+-----------+ > | 1130 | type | subscription | 115 | > | 1131 | list_id | "********************" | 115 | > | 1132 | email | "***********************@*********" | 115 | > | 1133 | display_name | "" | 115 | > | 1134 | when | "2021-01-06T16:17:38" | 115 | > | 1135 | token_owner | "moderator" | 115 | > +------+--------------+-------------------------------------+-----------+ > > Can I workaround this problem for this specific subscriber by adding entries in the _request table, and if so what do I need to add? Adding to the _request table won't help. Try confirming by emailing listname-confirm+4d6b4b11266c7332684c5a492eb3f92c531f761b(a)list.domain You could also try confirming via mailman shell mailman shell -l list.example.com Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. The variable 'm' is the list.example.com mailing list >>> ISubscriptionManager(m).confirm('4d6b4b11266c7332684c5a492eb3f92c531f761b') Traceback (most recent call last): File "<console>", line 1, in <module> File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman-3.3.3b1-py3.7.egg/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 570, in confirm raise LookupError LookupError In my case, I get the LookupError because the token doesn't exist, but I think it should work for you. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: FILTER_VHOST not working

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/22/21 1:03 PM, Johannes Rohr wrote: > In /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py I have added > FILTER_VHOST = True > so that only the list for the current domain are shown. > > But this has no effect. The current situation with Postorius >=1.3.3 and Hyperkitty >=1.3.3 is for HyperKitty, FILTER_VHOST = True works. For Postorius, it works only if in the domains view, each mail host has a unique web host. It doesn't work. See this post <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> and others in that thread for more info. Prior to Postorius 1.3.3 and Hyperkitty 1.3.3 it would only work if the mail host and web host values were identical for the domain. > > What's more, in hyperkitty I see at the top left the lable for the > default domain, even though I am visiting from another domain. That has nothing to do with FILTER_VHOST. The displayed there is the site referenced in the SITE_ID setting. > The web domains are exactly the same as the mail domans > (lists.[domain].[tld]) In that case, I'm not sure what's going on. > In the Nginx config I have added > > location / { > proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-Proto $scheme; > proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-Host $host; > proxy_pass http://localhost:8000/; > [....] > > } > > to make sure that mailman3 knows from which URL it is visited. > > Am I overlooking something? > > I am using the distribution packages on Ubuntu 20.04: > mailman3 3.2.2-1 > mailman3-web 0+20180916-10 > > I see, the mailman3-web package is quite dated. Is it recommended to > install via virtualenv instead? Yes, the issue is at least partially that that mailman3-web package doesn't have any of the FILTER_VHOST fixes. And yes, if you don't want to be stuck with dated packages tha don't include recent fixes, we recommend installation as documented at <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mm3 - new adventure

by Mark Sapiro

On 03/14/2017 09:14 AM, SP2L wrote: > > Lately started adventurous journey with Mailman3 > which is way, way different already from the beginning. > > Used Mailman bundler to install GNU Mailman, Postorius and HyperKitty > testing instance in virtual environment, mainly relaying on belows recipe: > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-bundler/ mailman-bundler is out of date and deprecated. You might find <https://wiki.list.org/x/17891998> of interest. > Present status. > > Above trio and MySQLServer are "talking" to each other > but because there isproper database on MySQLServer > I am facing strange and unexpected issues, Hi! > > Executing last two commands: > > (venv)$ ./bin/mailman start > (venv)$ ./bin/mailman-web-django-admin runserver 0.0.0.0:8000 & > > I see Postorius and HyperKitty up & runningbut... > > Belowvery condensed messages from the console: > > > /HyperKitty/ > > DEBUG = False > > [12/Mar/2017 18:59:43] "GET /archives/ HTTP/1.1" 200 8002 > WARNING Not Found: > /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery/smoothness/jquery-ui-1.10.3.custom.min.css ... Have you run the script that bundler installs as bin/mailman-post-update? > /mailman3/ > > DEBUG = False > > Server Error (500) > > > DEBUG = True > > HTTP Error 500: A server error occurred. Please contact the administrator. > > Exception Location: > /var/lib/mailman3/mailman-bundler/eggs/mailmanclient-1.0.1-py2.7.egg/mailmanclient/_client.py > in call, line 109 > > Then VERY, verylong list... Without knowing what the exception was and at least the start of the traceback, it's hard to say what this might be. > By means of PhpMyAdmin I created manually mailman3 database > and few tables (looking at 0001_initial.py) , but it is not working O.K. > This handmade table is not doing it's job. You shouldn't need to do this. If you have the proper settings and credentials in the DATABASES setting in mailman-web/settings_local.py and the [database] section in deployment/mailman.cfg, the tables should be created for you. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Template's encoding setup

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/14/19 4:06 AM, Ugnius S wrote: > Yes, I have made several tests. I have set charset: iso-8859-13 > and default_language: lt in mailman.cfg. If you created the list before you set default_language: lt in mailman.cfg, the list's preferred_language is possibly 'en;' with character set us-ascii. > (Also I have set LANGUAGE_CODE = 'lt' in the settings_local.py, but I think > it is not related to this case.) Yes, LANGUAGE_CODE in settings_local.py is not relevant to this. > I have tried to set utf-8 as well in mailman.cfg as well. And I can > confirm - in all tested cases > text characters are correct (in footer as well) if sender sends text only. OK > If sender sends message in HTML (mostly all users send) then no > matter what the encoding is set in my mailman's > configuration or iso-8859-13, or utf-8 message body looks correct, but in > footer all national characters are replaced with > question marks " ? ". The addition of the footer is done by mailman/handlers/decorate.py. In the plain text case the message body is converted to unicode, the unicode footer is appended to the body and the new body is encoded for transmission. The encoding is the first of the list's character set, the incoming message's character set or utf-8 which produces no error. In the case where the incoming message is not a single plain text message part, the footer is added as a separate MIME part with the unicode footer encoded in the list's character set with errors='replace'. This is what produces the '?' characters. I suspect this happens because the list's preferred_language is 'en' with character set us-ascii. try running Mailman's bin/mailman shell -l your_list@domain at the prompt enter m.preferred_language if the response is not <Language [lt] Lithuanian> do m.preferred_language = 'lt' and then control-D to exit. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: restrict sending to owner/moderator

by Mark Sapiro

On 09/18/2017 02:28 AM, m.dohmen(a)xconnect.de wrote: > > I'd like to restrict message acceptance on a per-list basis to the owner or moderator, so that simple subscribers cannot send messages to the list. But I don't want the owner/moderator having to moderate own messages, so the member setting "hold for moderation" in Postorius isn't applicable. And on 09/19/2017 10:52 AM, David Krantz wrote: > > I have just tested a variant of this as I got curious: You find the > member you want to be able to send emails without moderation, then set > Administrative Options to "Accept Immediately (bypass other rules)". > That works. I have found no other ways, though. Or you may wish to set the owners/moderators subscriptions to "Default processing" which will still apply subsequent rule checks. I.e., set Default action to take when a member posts to the list to Reject (with notification) and set an appropriate notice (currently can't be set in Postorius - set it via 'mailman shell') and set Default action to take when a non-member posts to thelist to Discard or perhaps Reject but this creates backscatter. Then ordinary members have Moderation set to List default and owners/moderators have it set to Accept or Default. The problems with this are sall the owners/moderators need to be subscribers and there are maintenance issues with adding/removing owners/moderators. A better way to do this by sharing a "moderator password" for the list among the authorized posters. See <http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/rules/docs/approved.html> for how this is done to pre-approve posts. Then set the list to Discard/Reject all posts, and people who know the "moderator password" can still post. There is still an issue in that the password needs to be changed and redistributed when people become unauthorized, but this is more secure as regular moderation can be fooled by spoofing the sender. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Post-installation documentation?

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/24/21 9:40 AM, David Newman wrote: > > IMO post-installation docs for list admins would be a big help in > Mailman3 adoption. I'm willing to help with this. Thank you for being willing to contribute. I think the place for list admin docs would be in the https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite-doc project which is the source for https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/. There is currently a userguide there at source/userguide.rst and referenced from source/index.rst. the addition of an adminguide.rst would be welcom if you want to work on that. > When I say "working": I'm looking to migrate Mailman2 mailing lists to > Mailman3, but am struggling with even basic setup tasks before we > attempt list migtration. > > For example, on admin page I've set up two lists, one public and one > private (each with unique list IDs), but neither appear in the site's > list index. Here are the steps to migrate a 2.1 list named `alist(a)example.com` and its archives. run Mailman's `bin/mailman create alist(a)example.com` follow that with ``` bin/mailman import21 alist(a)example.com /path/to/mailman2.1/lists/alist/config.pck ``` That will create the list and import its members and settings. To import archives run the Django admin command with arguments ``` hyperkitty_import -l alist(a)example.com /path/to/mailman2.1/archives/private/alist.mbox/alist.mbox ``` > And I don't know where to add list members. For imported lists, they are already added, but for new lists, you can add them in Postorius under Mass operations -> Mass subscribe or via the bin/mailman commands `addmembers` or `syncmembers`. See https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/d… > And clicking the site archives link throws this error: > > django.urls.exceptions.NoReverseMatch: Reverse for 'hk_list_overview' > with keyword arguments '{'mlist_fqdn': 'wheee'}' not found. 1 pattern(s) > tried: ['archives/list/(?P<mlist_fqdn>[^/@]+@[^/@]+)/$'] Did you specify the list's fqdn as in https://www.example.com/archives/list/list@example.com/ -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: users leaking across virtual hosts

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/25/22 12:49, Stanisław Findeisen via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi > > We are hosting several virtual hosts (mail host : web host is a 1:1 mapping with identical names), works fine, but it looks user accounts are somehow global, i.e. registering a new user in a new virtual host doesn't work if the user name or e-mail address are already in use in another virtual host. This happens on the Hyperkitty sign-up page: /accounts/signup/ , with the errors being "A user is already registered with this e-mail address." and "A user with that username already exists.". I am assuming this is a well-known limitation, which would require a serious internal redesign to fix; correct? These user registrations and logins are Django things so yes, they are global within the Django instance. > I was able to successfully login in the browser to a vhost using my user credentials from the original vhost (the one where the account was created) (the password was not auto-filled, of course, because of a different domain name). But how safe is this? How about subscribing to lists, posting etc.? Is this going to mess things up somehow? I don't think it's a problem. The user is a Django user for the web UI. The fact that there is or isn't a Django user with a particular email address has nothing to do with whether that address can post to a list. The user can subscribe to lists or not. The user can manage her subscriptions for lists to which she is subscribed and can subscribe to lists or not as controlled by list settings. Basically, registering as a user allows you to authenticate as that user for the web UI only. If you wanted to separate these user registrations by vhost, you'd need to run separate Django instances for each vhost, but I don't see a need to do that. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Errors while importing mm2 list archives - SOLVED

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/20/22 22:25, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > In my case, running `mailman` without any arguments just makes it grok :) > > (venv) [mailman@gw ~/mm]$ mailman info ... > *config file: /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg* That's because it first looks in the current directory for `mailman.cfg` and only if it doesn't find it there does it look in /etc/mailman3. >> Ultimately, when I did the import, there was only one email from the >>> archives that failed to be imported - which I honestly don't mind, but >>> maybe there is a solution for this >>> "'utf-8' codec can't encode character '\udcae' in position 331: >> surrogates >>> not allowed" ?? >> >> >> If you provide a copy of that message from the mbox, either on the list >> or to me directly, I'll investigate. >> > > A mbox file containing that email and the associated thread can be > downloaded from here: > https://webmail.kictanet.or.ke/~wash/chunk_7.txt.gz The offending message is multipart with an attached message/rfc822 part and that part has a preamble which in bytes is b'This document is a Single File Web Page, also known as a Web Archive file. If you are seeing this message, your browser or editor doesn't support Web Archive files. Please download a browser that supports Web Archive, such as Windows\xae Internet Explorer\xae.' The '\xae' is an iso-8859-1 encoding for '®', but no charset is specified for this preamble so email message parsing ends up decoding those as surrogates '\udcae' which throws the exception when hyperkitty.lib.incoming.add_to_list() in trying to save the attachment does `att.set_content(content)`. Normally, when messages to be archived arrive from core via mailman_hyperkitty, the surrogates are replaced by email.utils._sanitize(), but this doesn't happen with messages from hyperkitty_import. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: integrating mm3 with postfix / lmtp

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/25/2017 05:41 PM, Fabian A. Santiago wrote: > > No to the domains part and I think virtual alias maps is needed: > > mail postfix/trivial-rewrite[19445]: warning: do not list domain xxx in BOTH virtual_mailbox_domains and relay_domains > Oct 25 20:39:19 mail postfix/trivial-rewrite[19445]: warning: do not list domain xxx in BOTH virtual_mailbox_domains and relay_domains > Oct 25 20:39:19 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[19441]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from pool-108-53-239-102.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net[108.53.239.102]: 550 5.1.1 <test123@xxx>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table; from=<fsantiago@xxx> to=<test123@xxx> proto=ESMTP helo=<[10.0.0.29]> (above slightly sanitized for return to the list) The issue here is your list domain cannot be a virtual_mailbox_domain or a virtual_alias_domain. I have the same issue on mail.python.org where we have both Mailman 2 and Mailman 3 lists @python.org. and python.org is a virtual_alias_domain. I have a group of MRs for a branch that implements "alias_domains" to deal with this. Basically it works by creating another (virtual_alias_maps) postfix_vmap mapping to map list addresses @python.org to addresses @x.python.org. Then the postfix_domains and postfix_lmtp maps have the x.python.org domain and there is a patch to mailman/runners/lmtp.py to map the x.python.org domain back to python.org. The various MRs are <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/merge_requests/202> for the core, <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailmanclient/merge_requests/18> for the REST bindings used by Postorius and <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/merge_requests/186> to be able to set an alias_domain via Postorius. That's not all implemented at mail.python.org. What's there is the basic Postfix config, a bash script the generate the new mappings from the old and a simple patch to mailman/runners/lmtp.py. So, the bottom line is it can be done and it's in process, but it won't really be supported until Mailman 3.2. In the mean time, you just need to have a separate domain for your lists that isn't a virtual_*_domain. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Removing a mail addresses and users

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/10/20 10:23 AM, Abhijith PA via Mailman-users wrote: > Hello. > > I tried to remove random email address signing ups (which I signed up > while testing) via admin panel. After removing I tried to sign up again, > but I am getting, > > 'A user is already registered with this e-mail address' You removed the user's subscription from the list, but you didn't remove the user from the system. Mailman3 has a concept of `user` which didn't exist in Mailman 2.1. User's have addresses and a user or one of the user's addresses can belong to a list with one or more roles (non-member, member, moderator or owner) > Combing through the database, I found auth_user table in mailman3web db > still contain those mail address. How to wipe email address entirely > from the db so I can signup again without the 'forget password' method There are a couple of things. If you log in to the web UI as a django superuser, you can go to the django admin UI -> Users section and delete the User, but I think that will only delete the web user and not delete the user from Mailman core. You can also log in to the web UI as the user and go to <https://lists.mailman3.org/user-profile/delete>, but that again only deletes the web user, and if you could do that, you could just subscribe once you're logged in, so I assume that's what you want to avoid. I don't think there is a way for a user as opposed to a site admin to delete her user record from Mailman core and even for a site admin, there's no way in Postorius to delete a user from core. It has to be done via REST <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/…> or `mailman shell`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: All addresses in a bounced list posting seem to be considered as bouncing

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/30/22 12:41, Andy Smith wrote: > > This just happened again. As a refresher, the issue I'm seeing is > that Mailman registers a bounce against addresses that aren't > subscribed, including addresses for the list itself and for the > -leave address that is in some footer text. > > Here's the bounce.log: > > Sep 30 17:12:25 2022 (8428) Member [elided1](a)[elided1].force9.co.uk on list users.mailman.bitfolk.com, bounce score = 1. > Sep 30 17:12:25 2022 (8428) Bounce message for a non subscriber: Email users(a)mailman.bitfolk.com is not a subcriber of users.mailman.bitfolk.com > Sep 30 17:12:25 2022 (8428) Bounce message for a non subscriber: Email mailto:[elided2]@gmail.com is not a subcriber of users.mailman.bitfolk.com > Sep 30 17:12:25 2022 (8428) Member [elided2](a)gmail.com on list users.mailman.bitfolk.com, bounce score = 1. > Sep 30 17:12:25 2022 (8428) Bounce message for a non subscriber: Email users-leave(a)mailman.bitfolk.com is not a subcriber of users.mailman.bitfolk.com > Sep 30 17:12:25 2022 (8428) Member [elided3](a)[elided3].org.uk on list users.mailman.bitfolk.com, bounce score = 1. > > I have elided parts of the email addresses of real subscribers. > > Attached is the actual non-delivery report from the MTA that > triggered this. In it I have done my best to elide the names and > addresses of real people, but nothing else. They match the same > elisions from the bounce log. What is your version of flufl.bounce? I made one change to your attached DSN. In the message/selivery-status part, I changed Final-Recipient: rfc822;[elided1](a)[elided1].force9.co.uk to Final-Recipient: rfc822;elided1(a)elided1.force9.co.uk and processed the message with flufl.bounce.scan_message() which returned the single address elided1(a)elided1.force9.co.uk. I suspect this is https://gitlab.com/warsaw/flufl.bounce/-/issues/12 which was fixed in flufl.bounce 4.0 and upgrading to 4.0 will fix this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: import21 detailed usage instructions in 2024

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/2/24 4:28 PM, Keith Christian wrote: > 1 Soon, I will be executing the first test imports from > Mailman2.1 to Mailman3.9. > > 2 Planning to copy over the entire production Mailman2.1 to a new > directory structure on the Mailman 3.9 machine. > > 3 Expecting that all .mbox and .pkl files will be present and no > special work has to be done to bring them over will a "full" > mailman2.1 copy. That's correct. > 4 Can the import21 program find the mailman2.1 .mbox and .pkl > files on its own and process them? No. `mailman import21` needs to be given the path to the config.pck to import and hyperkitty_import needs to be given the path to the .mbox. > 5 Other than the mailman2.1 instance being shut down, any other > prep that needs to be done? Ideally there are no held messages or other moderator requests for the MM 2.1 list, i.e. deal with these before shutting down the list. If there is a MM 2.1 digest.mbox it needs to be moved and converted for MM 3 I have attached a bash script I use on mail.python.org to migrate lists. Paths and some other things are specific to that installation, but you may find it useful. It calls a move_digest script which I've also attached > 6 Any special command line parameters to be aware of for import21? Usage: mailman import21 [OPTIONS] LISTSPEC PICKLE_FILE Import Mailman 2.1 list data. Requires the fully-qualified name of the list to import and the path to the Mailman 2.1 pickle file. Options: -c, --charset TEXT Specify the encoding of strings in PICKLE_FILE if not utf-8 or a subset thereof. This will normally be the Mailman 2.1 charset of the list's preferred_language. -h, --help Show this message and exit. > 7 Is there a list of troubleshooting steps for commonly > encountered migration issues? Not that I'm aware of. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Splitting hosts: mta&core vs postorius

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/22/20 12:21 PM, Ruth Ivimey-Cook wrote: > > The localhost address is coming in via the hosts file, which is a > relatively standard practice IMO. I could change it, but then perhaps > other things would not work. I would prefer to be able to specify what I > need. There are also things like systemd-resolvd which will do the > localhost-substitution for you even if /etc/hosts doesn't. I have done further testing. See my comment at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/735#note_366074014>. You need to set hostname: in mailman.cfg to the actual external IP address of the Mailman host machine or to a name which resolves to that IP both internally and externally, and also set that host name/IP in the MAILMAN_REST_API_URL setting on the Postorius machine. > I did try with the gunicorn patch Mark mentioned (host = "0.0.0.0") and > changing the cfg file hostname back to the full name of the host, and > that now works!! -- in that the problem I showed earlier is gone. Remove that patch and do the above. > However I then get another issue. From the mailman.log file I now see in > the last few lines. For clarity I've numbered them like this "{1}": > > {1} [22/Jun/2020:00:58:24 +0000] "GET /3.1/domains HTTP/1.1" 200 320 "-" > "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" > {2} [22/Jun/2020:00:58:24 +0000] "GET /3.1/domains/ch-bc.org.uk > HTTP/1.1" 200 215 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" > {3} [22/Jun/2020:00:58:24 +0000] "GET > /3.1/domains/greyarea-web1.cam.ivimey.org/lists?advertised=true&count=0&page=1 > HTTP/1.1" 404 26 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" > > At this point the browser screen reports "Something went wrong" and the > message "HTTP Error 404: {"title": "404 Not Found"}" Make the above changes and see if that solves this. If not, let us know and we'll try to help. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty 403 Forbidden Error

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/23/22 07:41, Josef Dietl wrote: >> >> The issue here is accessing the hyperkitty API. The base URL for these >> accesses is configured in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg. From what I see here, >> that is something like `http(s)://host.example.com/hyperkitty/` If you >> append `api/` to that base URL and go there in a web browser do you get >> a page of documentation of the HyperKitty API? If so, then figure out >> why it works from a web browser and not when Mailman core does it. If >> you get the 403, figure out why. This is probably an nginx issue. > > Seems like an nginx issue indeed. However, I'm an apache guy, trying to re-educate myself on nginx. > OK, here's the result of changing mailman-hyperkitty.cfg from `http(s)://host.example.com/hyperkitty/` to `http(s)://host.example.com/hyperkitty/api/` Do not make this change in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg. That will produce 404's for sure. This was only a suggestion to try from a browser. > Yes, if I open things from the web browser, I do get the HyperKitty API doc. OK. That means you can access HyperKitty's API from a browser at `http(s)://host.example.com/hyperkitty/api/`. This is the same thing Mailman core is doing if `base_url` is set to `http(s)://host.example.com/hyperkitty/`, so what's the difference between Mailman core's access via mailman-hyperkitty and your's via the web browser. For further diagnosis, you might try `wget -O- http(s)://host.example.com/hyperkitty/api/` on the Mailman server. > With what follows below, I guess it's a timeout: Processing a message takes longer than rendering a HTML document. > > Jan 22 20:26:27 2022 (149435) ACCEPT: > <AM0PR04MB4785365CA1BB735884E149CEC25C9(a)AM0PR04MB4785.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com> > Jan 22 20:26:28 2022 (149439) HyperKitty failure on https://[FQDN]/hyperkitty/api/api/mailman/urls: Do not include the api/ in base_url. That was just for testing with a web browser or wget/curl. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: Pd CRON mailman gatenews

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/15/23 23:31, Pierre Malard via Mailman-users wrote: > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/flufl/lock/_lockfile.py", line 502, in _read > with open(self._lockfile) as fp: > PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman3/locks/dbcreate.lck' > —————————————————————————————————————————————————— > > CRON content: > —————————————————————————————————————————————————— ... > # Every 15 minutes, gate messages from usenet to those lists which have the gateway configured > */15 * * * * list if [ -x /usr/bin/mailman ]; then /usr/bin/mailman gatenews; fi Do you have any list's for which Gateway to mail is set to yes or for which there is a Linked Newsgroup?. If not, running gatenews is superfluous. > I thought, given the last line, a problem of rights. It is not the case ! The directory and the files contained in /var/lib/mailman3/locks belong to the user "list". > When I run "/usr/bin/mailman gatenews" by hand everything is correct. Can you do `sudo -u list cat /var/lib/mailman3/locks/dbcreate.lck`. If that succeeds, this may be a SELinux or other security manager issue. > The questions I have are these: > We have 8000 files "dbcreate.lck..." in the directory "/var/lib/mailman3/locks". > What are they for? > Can we delete them? They are probably all orphaned lock files due the the gatenews failure. To be certain that none are current you could stop Mailman core. Then with Mailman core stopped, any files in /var/lib/mailman3/locks are orphaned and should be removed. > We have 2 files "master.lck..." dated from the day after tomorrow ! > What is this date? > Aren't these files the problem? Those files are normal. They are the master lock that prevents Mailman core from being started when it's already running. The future date is the way flufl.lock handles lock lifetimes. Locks when set have a lifetime, after which they can be broken. This is implemented in flufl.lock by setting the file's date that far into the future. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Fwd: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/2/21 12:33 PM, David Partain via Mailman-users wrote: > On Tue, 2021-03-02 at 20:07 +0000, David Partain via Mailman-users > wrote: >> On Tue, 2021-03-02 at 19:56 +0000, David Partain via Mailman-users >> wrote: >> >> I assume this is because /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py, which >> has: >> >> '#!/usr/bin/env python' >> >> resolves to Python 2.7.17. >> >> Should I could try changing that to '#!/usr/bin/env python3' and see >> what happens? :) I could also uninstall python2 but that becomes >> more of a nail-biter... NO! Do not do that. >> I can report that the above doesn't help. Neither does just making >> /usr/bin/python link to /usr/bin/python3.6 >> >> I still get errors in mailman-web.log pointing to 2.7 as shown in my >> previous mail. > > If I force the issue by linking /usr/bin/python to /usr/bin/python3.6, > I start seeing: > > ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'hyperkitty > > in mailman-web.log. > > I know next to nothing about python. Is > > pip install hyperkitty > > the right answer? No. > I have the following installed now: > > # dpkg -l | grep hyperkitty > python-django-hyperkitty 1.1.4-4 > python3-mailman-hyperkitty 1.1.0-4 > > but this version of Ubuntu has no python3-django-hyperkitty or I'd just > try installing that... This is all because you are using the Ubuntu 18.04 package which is about 4 years out of date and is from the era where HyperKitty, Postorius and django_mailman3 still ran under Python 2.1.7. Unless you want to remove the Ubuntu package and install everything with pip, you need to just stick with what you have that at least partly works and we'll try to determine how to fix the utf8mb4 issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: import21: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'Mailman'

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/28/19 4:18 PM, Christian Schwarz wrote: > > Most mailing lists can be imported successfully using the `import21` subcommand, as described in the docs. Good. > Some mailing lists fail with the following error: > > sudo -u list mailman import21 REDACTEDLIST(a)example.org /var/lib/mailman/lists/REDACTEDLIST/config.pck > Traceback (most recent call last): ... > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/commands/cli_import.py", line 64, in import21 > pickle_file, encoding='utf-8', errors='ignore') > ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'Mailman' I know what's happening, but I need more detail to do more than guess at how to fix it. The issue is there is a Mailman 2.1 Mailman.xxx.yyy object in the config.pck file. My best guess is that the list's bounce_info is the culprit. The list's bounce_info is a dictionary with keys equal to member addresses and values equal to the Mailman.Bouncer._BounceInfo object representing that member's bounce info. So when import21 calls pickle.load to load the config.pck, there is a reference to one or more Mailman.Bouncer._BounceInfo objects, but pickle.load can't find the definition of that object and that raises the exception. As to how to proceed, there are a couple of ways. One is to fix import21 so it ignores this issue. I just reported <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/618> on this, but I'm not sure how to fix it. I don't think it will work to try the pickle.load and pass the ModuleNotFoundError exception because I think the rest of the pickled data won't be returned. It looks like you still have the MM 2.1 installation, so you could use either MM 2.1's bin/withlist or bin/config_list to set the list's bounce_info to an empty dictionary. and then use the updated config.pck for the import. This assumes that bounce_info is the issue. You can verify that there is a non-empty bounce_info dictionary with either bin/withlist or bin/dumpdb. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Pb with archive display

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/5/22 08:02, Pierre Malard via Mailman-users wrote: > > Unfortunately we still don't have any archives... > > Here are the logs retrieved from the mailman.log logs: > May 05 15:59:42 2022 (579075) Exception in the HyperKitty archiver: {"error": "character with byte sequence 0xe2 0x80 0x99 in encoding \"UTF8\" has no equivalent in encoding \"LATIN1\"\n"} > raise ValueError(result.text) > ValueError: {"error": "character with byte sequence 0xe2 0x80 0x99 in encoding \"UTF8\" has no equivalent in encoding \"LATIN1\"\n"} > > And in mailman-web.log: > WARNING 2022-05-05 13:58:52,996 579167 hyperkitty.views.mailman Could not archive the email with message-id '<C7E61653-D399-466A-BEC3-CE61D567E870(a)teledetection.fr>': character with byte sequence 0xe2 0x80 0x99 in encoding "UTF8" has no equivalent in encoding "LATIN1" > > Is it a way? > > I don't understand the message about LATIN1. > It seems to me that UTF-8 was the encoding retained in Mailman. I too don't understand what's trying to encode as LATIN1. The particular byte sequence is a utf-8 encoding of right single quote (’) which has no LATIN1 equivalent, but there's not enough info in the logs for me to determine exactly what's going on. There is an issue with MySQL and derivatives if that's the database you are using. You need the MySQL encoding to be UTF8MB4. in the DATABASES definition in your django settings you want ``` 'OPTIONS': {'charset': 'utf8mb4'} # Enable utf8 4-byte encodings. ``` but that doesn't seem to be the issue here. I suspect this issue has to do with the particular message. When mailman-hyperkitty processes the queue and a queued message throws an exception, it just dies. You might try moving aside the first (in alphanumeric sequence) message in /var/lib/mailman3/archives/hyperkitty/spool and see if the remaining messages can be processed. If that works I would like to see that message's .pck file. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: problems installing mailman3 under gentoo and upgrading mailman2 to mailman3

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/12/21 7:36 PM, John Covici wrote: > Hi. I am having a great deal of difficulty installing mailman3 using > gentoo and sendmail. Also, I want to upgrade my old mailman2 data to > mailman3. > > What I have done so far is to install the mailman3 packages from my > repository and got this: > django-mailman3 version 1.3.4, mailmanclient version 3.3.1, mailman > version 3.3.2 (apparently the core), postorius version 1.3.3 and > hyperkitty version 1.3.3. I also have mariadb and postgresql already installed. Are these gentoo packages? If so, I have no idea how they are configured. > Now trying to read your documentation, it seems it wants me to > reinstall some packages using pip in the home directory of the mailman > user in a python virtual environment, that was the first thing. But I > would like to avoid multiple package managers wherever possible -- > gentoo is already a lot of maintainance without dealing with pip's > maintainance. The binaries also seem to be different from my gentoo packages. Our documantation generally covers installing from source. If you are installing gentoo packages, you should be looking at gentoo docs and going to gentoo for help. We recommend installing Mailman and the web components in a virtualenv, but it is not a requirement. We also suggest that postgresql is a better choice than MariaDB. > So, how do I proceed with getting mailman3 up and working, configuring > the database, configs, etc and I guess after doing that upgrading > mailman2 and getting sendmail to interface properly with mailman3? Importing lists from Mailman 2 is done with the `mailman import21` command. See <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/d…>. Importing archives is done with the Django management `hyperkitty_import` command. See <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/install.html#import…> For sendmail, see <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h…> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Multi-domain oddities in Hyperkitty and Postorius

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/14/22 13:40, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > > Once these entries are automatically added by visiting that page, > they're all associated with the one "web host" ("site" in Django) we > have for the server, and now the list filtering functionality in > Postorius breaks and any of the vhosts all display the full set of > mailing lists on the server rather than only those associated with a > particular vhost (note that this seems to only be confusing > Postorius, Hyperkitty has them correctly filtered still). See https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… and also below. > Okay, so it looks like this is because the mail hosts are all tied > to the one web host. Yes. > We can create additional "sites" in the Django > admin UI and then switch the association of the mail hosts to those > distinct web hosts. But after doing so, the first vhost still seems > to show an unfiltered list of all lists in Postorius (Hyperkitty > continues to be fine), while Postorius on the other vhosts correctly > shows their filtered sets of lists instead. > > I also noticed when mailman-web is starting up, its log claims the > first site is being set as the "default domain," so have to wonder > if that's related to this behavior. Should we create an extra web > host to serve as the "default" so that all our typical vhosts get > the expected list filtering behavior, or am I completely off-base > and there's a much better approach I've missed? I'm not really sure what's going on here. You could try creating a dummy default host to see if that fixes the issue for you. There are subtle differences in the implementation between HyperKitty and Postorius that allow HyperKitty to work better, but it too will exhibit some anomalous behaviors. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius no connection to REST API

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/12/21 12:01 AM, Richard Rosner wrote: > Mark Sapiro wrote: >>> But whatever is listening on port 8001 is apparently not Mailman's rest >> server. What does >> ps -fww 14080 >> or whatever PID is currently listening on port 8001 show. > > UID PID PPID C STIME TTY STAT TIME CMD > list 15972 15963 0 Aug11 ? Sl 0:13 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=rest:0:1 I had asked "What does ps -fwwa|grep rest show?" and it didn't find this. That was my error. I meant 'ps -fwwA|grep rest' >>> OK. >> Perhaps instead you should have >> uid: list >> gid: list >> in your uwsgi configuration if you don't already. > > Tried that while also switching mailman3-web.service to list:list, exactly the same error. Also, I have /run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock owned by list:list now instead of www-data:www-data. All the mailman processes should run as `list` and all mailman related things should be readable and writable by `list`. >>> I'm not familiar enough with this form of ProxyPass using sockets to >> understand what the localhost:8001 does in this context, but uwsgi >> should not be doing anything with port 8001. In a configuration using >> TCP, it would listen on port 8000. Port 8001 is where Mailman's REST API >> server listens. uwsgi should receive connects in your case via the unix >> socket and then pass them to Django via the application in wsgi.py >> Also, you may want other paths proxied to uwsgi, namely at least some of >> hyperkitty, postorius, archives, accounts, admin and user-profile. > > Ok, I removed that port again, now it's exctly like in the automatically generated config file. > And you mean like > > <IfModule mod_proxy_uwsgi.c> > ProxyPass /mailman3/favicon.ico ! > ProxyPass /mailman3/static ! > ProxyPass /mailman3 unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost/ > ProxyPass /hyperkitty unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost/ > ProxyPass /postorius unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost/ > ProxyPass /admin unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost/ > ProxyPass /archives unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost/ > ProxyPass /accounts unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost/ > ProxyPass /user-profile unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost/ > </IfModule> Yes, I meant if you want those URLs to work, you have to pass them to uwsgi. You don't need all of them. `mailman2` and `postorius` are synonyms as are `archives` and `hyperkitty` However, you could try using TCP to communicate with uwsgi rather than a Unix socket. This means replacing uwsgi-socket = /run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock with uwsgi-socket = 0.0.0.0:8000 in your uwsgi.ini file and using directives like ProxyPass "/postorius" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/postorius" ProxyPass "/hyperkitty" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/hyperkitty" ProxyPass "/accounts" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/accounts" ProxyPass "/django" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/django" ProxyPass "/user-profile" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/user-profile" ProxyPass "/mailman3" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/mailman3" ProxyPass "/archives" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives" in apache. I am not familiar enough with apache/uwsgi configuration to be of more help. Have you seen https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344 and have you asked Debian for help with their package. They are the ones who should be supporting it <https://www.debian.org/support>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Moderate mails from owner

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/22/19 6:10 AM, Malcolm Austen wrote: > On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 16:58:45 -0000, Abhilash Raj > <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> wrote: >> >> "Default Processing" means the default pipeline defined in > > Thanks, I will do some (more!) reading. > >> List > Settings > Alter Messages > 'Pipeline' ( in the bottom). This >> pipeline is >> system wide and is defined in source code, so it can't be customized by >> site administrator. > > Unfortunately, that is not available to list-owners on the system > concerned. Ancestry must have removed it. It wouldn't help you anyway. All it shows are the choices 'default posting pipeline', 'default owner pipeline' and 'virgin', not the contents. See <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/build/lib/mailman/app/docs/pipelin…> for info on pipelines. Also, when we're talking about Default Processing in the context of moderation, we're not really talking about pipelines; we're talking about rule chains. See <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/rules/docs/rules.html> and <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/chains/docs/moderation…>. This latter doc mentions 'defer' which is another name for 'Default Processing'. Also in the latter doc in the example under "Anne’s post to the mailing list runs through the incoming runner’s default built-in chain. No rules hit and so the message is accepted." you'll see Hits: Misses: dmarc-mitigation no-senders approved emergency loop banned-address member-moderation nonmember-moderation administrivia implicit-dest max-recipients max-size news-moderation no-subject suspicious-header The misses are the rules processed in the normal chain in order. When you set a (non-)member's moderation to Accept, at the appropriate (non)member-moderation rule, the rest of the chain is skipped and the message is accepted. If the(non-)member's moderation is Default Processing, that rule passes, but the remaining administrivia implicit-dest max-recipients max-size news-moderation no-subject suspicious-header rules are checked before the message is accepted. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 Issue with Sending Mail to Yahoo/AOL

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/12/21 7:47 AM, chris--- via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi everyone. I have a dedicated Ubuntu box that is running mailman3. I have a single email list on it. The subscriber base is about 350 users. There is a good chunk of these users that are aol.com or yahoo.com users. I've been getting complaints from the Yahoo people that mail is delayed at times, or messages that come out of order. > > Looking at the mailq on the box, I can see there are plenty of emails stuck in the queue. I have all sorts of messages like this ... > > > -Queue ID- --Size-- ----Arrival Time---- -Sender/Recipient------- > 3576C540CB4 9917 Tue May 11 11:27:13 pcho-bounces(a)pchochat.com > (host mta6.am0.yahoodns.net[67.195.204.74] said: 452 Too many recipients tnmpmscs (in reply to RCPT TO command)) This one's easy to fix. In mailman.cfg set ``` [mta] verp_confirmations: yes verp_personalized_deliveries: yes verp_delivery_interval: 1 ``` This will provide potentially better bounce processing detection, but will ensure that each message from Mailman has only one envelope recipient. If you don't want the verping, you can set `max_recipients` in the `[mta]` section to a small number like 5 or 10. > (host mta6.am0.yahoodns.net[67.195.204.74] said: 421 [IPTS04] Messages from 74.112.73.65 temporarily deferred due to unexpected volume or user complaints - 4.16.55.1; see https://postmaster.verizonmedia.com/error-codes (in reply to end of DATA command)) The above changes may help with this too, but depending on where your Ubuntu box is located, you may have other issues. Presumably you have a fixed IP address, but even so, if that address is in a netblock that looks like `home networks` it may get blocked by some providers for that reason alone. Also, others in this thread have mentioned Verizon. Verizon recently sold AOL/Yahoo to a private equity firm, Apollo Global Management. What that means for the new Yahoo is still unclear. Search the web for `verizon sells aol` for more info. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 not working following distribution upgrade from Debian 10 to 11.

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/6/22 2:40 PM, gordon(a)dickens.com wrote: > I performed a distribution upgrade from Debian 10 Buster (which runs mailman 3.2.1) to Debian 11 Bullseye (which runs mailman 3.3.1) with the command "apt-get full-upgrade -y" and everything apparently worked properly except at the end of the upgrade when the following error dialog was generated by the mailman3-web and mailman3-full post-installation scripts: > > Setting up mailman3-web (0+20200530-2) ... > Determining localhost credentials from /etc/mysql/debian.cnf: succeeded. > dbconfig-common: writing config to /etc/dbconfig-common/mailman3-web.conf > dbconfig-common: flushing administrative password > sed: -e expression #2, char 77: unterminated `s' command > dpkg: error processing package mailman3-web (--configure): > installed mailman3-web package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1 > dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mailman3-full: > mailman3-full depends on mailman3-web; however: > Package mailman3-web is not configured yet. > > dpkg: error processing package mailman3-full (--configure): > dependency problems - leaving unconfigured > Errors were encountered while processing: > mailman3-web > mailman3-full > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) > > Now, every time that I execute "apt-get upgrade" then I continue to get the above error dialog. Also, the command "dpkg-reconfigure mailman3-web" generates this output: > > /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: mailman3-web is broken or not fully installed > > So, I am now stuck since apt-get is saying that mailman3-web is not configured yet, however, neither apt-get nor dpkg-reconfigure will successfully configure mailman3-web. > > Does anybody have any idea how to fix this? I would very much appreciate some suggestions. This is a Debian packaging issue. It looks like the underlying error is sed: -e expression #2, char 77: unterminated `s' command which is an issue in one of the installation scripts in the .deb for mailman3-web. Your best source of help for this is Debian. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating mailman3 to latest ubuntu lts

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/16/23 10:12 AM, Helio Loureiro wrote: > Hi, > > Well... not that good. Now it is mailman3-web that doesn't work. > > mailman@new-machine ~ (v3.3.9)> source venv/bin/activate.fish > (venv) mailman@new-machine ~ (v3.3.9)> mailman-web > > Type 'mailman-web help <subcommand>' for help on a specific subcommand. > > Available subcommands: > > [django] > check > compilemessages > createcachetable > dbshell > diffsettings > dumpdata > flush > inspectdb > loaddata > makemessages > makemigrations > migrate > optimizemigration > runserver > sendtestemail > shell > showmigrations > sqlflush > sqlmigrate > sqlsequencereset > squashmigrations > startapp > startproject > test > testserver This response indicates that `mailman-web` is not getting settings.py. Have you configured /etc/mailman3/settings.py? See <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#initial-configu…>. > (venv) mailman@new-machine ~ (v3.3.9)> mailman-web check > System check identified no issues (0 silenced). > (venv) mailman@new-machine ~ (v3.3.9)> mailman-web check migrate You should run `mailman-web migrate` not `mailman-web check migrate` plus others. See <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#run-database-mi…> et.seq. but first you need the appropriate settings so `mailman-web` returns something like ``` $ mailman-web Type 'mailman-web help <subcommand>' for help on a specific subcommand. Available subcommands: [account] account_unsetmultipleprimaryemails [auth] changepassword createsuperuser [compressor] compress mtime_cache [contenttypes] remove_stale_contenttypes [django] check compilemessages createcachetable dbshell diffsettings dumpdata flush inspectdb loaddata makemessages makemigrations migrate optimizemigration sendtestemail shell showmigrations sqlflush sqlmigrate sqlsequencereset squashmigrations startapp startproject test testserver [django_extensions] admin_generator clean_pyc clear_cache compile_pyc create_command create_jobs create_template_tags delete_squashed_migrations describe_form drop_test_database dumpscript export_emails find_template generate_password generate_secret_key graph_models list_model_info list_signals mail_debug managestate merge_model_instances notes pipchecker print_settings print_user_for_session raise_test_exception reset_db reset_schema runjob runjobs runprofileserver runscript runserver_plus set_default_site set_fake_emails set_fake_passwords shell_plus show_template_tags show_urls sqlcreate sqldiff sqldsn sync_s3 syncdata unreferenced_files update_permissions validate_templates [django_q] qcluster qinfo qmemory qmonitor [haystack] build_solr_schema clear_index haystack_info rebuild_index update_index [hyperkitty] attachments_to_file hyperkitty_import hyperkitty_warm_up_cache mailman_sync update_index_one_list [postorius] mmclient reset_passwords [rest_framework] generateschema [sessions] clearsessions [staticfiles] collectstatic findstatic runserver ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Internal Server Error: Reattach this thread

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/25/22 17:08, cold00water(a)gmail.com wrote: > Hey. > > Looking at other code, "subject" is a method. > > I fixed it by correcting the code. > is this a bug? python version issue? > > * /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/thread.py > > 411 @check_mlist_private > 412 def reattach_suggest(request, mlist_fqdn, threadid): > 413 mlist = get_object_or_404(MailingList, name=mlist_fqdn) > 414 thread = get_object_or_404(Thread, mailinglist=mlist, thread_id=threadid) > 415 > 416 default_search_query = stripped_subject( > # change: thread.subject to thread.subject() > 417 mlist, thread.subject()).lower().replace("re:", "") > > * /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/hyperkitty/models/thread.py > > 69 def __str__(self): > # change: thread.subject to thread.subject() > 70 return self.subject() Did you test this?, How? I.e. where you able to produce the error without your change and then verify that your change fixed it? The existing code works in all but rare situations, and I think those are due to the thread object being instantiated with missing arguments. In any case, your changes cause the ReattachTestCase.test_suggestions test in hyperkitty/tests/views/test_thread.py to fail as follows. ``` hyperkitty/tests/views/test_thread.py:66: in test_suggestions response = self.client.get(reverse('hk_thread_reattach_suggest', .tox/py39-django32/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/test/client.py:742: in get response = super().get(path, data=data, secure=secure, **extra) .tox/py39-django32/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/test/client.py:396: in get return self.generic('GET', path, secure=secure, **{ .tox/py39-django32/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/test/client.py:473: in generic return self.request(**r) .tox/py39-django32/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/test/client.py:719: in request self.check_exception(response) .tox/py39-django32/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/test/client.py:580: in check_exception raise exc_value .tox/py39-django32/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py:47: in inner response = get_response(request) .tox/py39-django32/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py:181: in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py:137: in inner return func(request, *args, **kwargs) hyperkitty/views/thread.py:445: in reattach_suggest mlist, thread.subject()).lower().replace("re:", "") E TypeError: 'str' object is not callable ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Auth question

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/3/19 5:33 PM, kelly.close(a)lrewater.com wrote: > Thanks Mark. I keep coming back to this and checking it again and again. The two keys match, and there are no quotes on the api_key. > > This is what I thought the problem was from the start but I just can't see anything wrong with those two settings. I'm going to look again - maybe entirely re-type the lines - what if there is a trailing space or something... I don't think trailing white space on the api_key setting is significant, and whitespace following the trailing quote in the MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY setting is not significant, but embedded whitespace in the key itself could be an issue. Possibly Mailman and/or Hyperkitty aren't getting this info from the files you think they are. The command that you use to start Mailman should have a -C option pointing to Mailman's config. That in turn has a [archiver.hyperkitty] section pointing to the Mailman Hyperkitty config. That in turn contains the api_key. Then whatever process you use to run the wsgi application will set DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE in it's environment to point to settings.py or whatever you call it (without the .py extension) and that in turn imports overrides from settings_local.py. You need to understand what the working directory is of the process that imports the DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE. If you need more info, you could try modifying hyperkitty/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py at around lines 64 - 68 to: if request.GET.get("key") != settings.MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY: return HttpResponse( """<html><title>Auth required</title><body> <h1>Authorization Required</h1> {} != {}</body></html>""" .format(request.GET.get("key"), settings.MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY), content_type="text/html", status=401) This should display the values that don't match as part of the error response. Note that this is Python and leading whitespace is significant and if you're reading this in HyperKitty, you won't see it unless you "display in fixed font" (the "A" icon), and even then, there may be line wrap. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years

[MM3-users] Re: mailman 3.x upgrade and downgrade

by C. Souza

Ok, thanks! On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 1:44 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 7/12/22 9:35 AM, C. Souza wrote: > > > > I can't see the mistune package, maybe it wasn't a requirement for that > > version of mm3. > > > > 1 Package Version > > 2 ------------------- ---------- > > ... > > 39 HyperKitty 1.3.3 > > > Correct. It is not a requirement until HyperKitty 1.3.5 > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: user self registration

by Christian Stalberg

Something strange is now going on. Now when a user tries to subscribe themself and they get the ' Please check your inbox for further instructions' no such email arrives in their mailbox. Relatedly, if I as an admin try adding someone to a list via the Mass Subscribe, they are not added to the list, but they do appear in the listing of all Users. Help! -----Original Message----- From: Christian Stalberg via Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Sent: Monday, December 8, 2025 6:16 AM To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Cc: 'Mark Sapiro' <mark(a)msapiro.net> Subject: [MM3-users] Re: user self registration That worked. Thank you! -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2025 9:26 AM To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Re: user self registration On 12/7/25 07:46, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-users wrote: > Spammers have been registering and not subscribing. I want to turn off > the user self registration at https://lists.ccalternatives.org/mailman3/ . > > I edited /etc/mailman3/settings.py adding ACCOUNT_ALLOW_REGISTRATION = > False and restarted the services, but the ' Sign Up' option remains. I > assume /etc/mailman3/settings.py is my active settings file. > > What am I doing wrong? Web searches may find reference to a django-allauth setting ACCOUNT_ALLOW_REGISTRATION, but this setting doesn't exist in current django-allauth The setting you want is ACCOUNT_ADAPTER = ‘django_mailman3.views.user_adapter.DisableSignupAdapter’ See https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/faq.html#how-to-disable-signup or https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman-web/en/latest/settings.html#mail… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… This message sent to csa(a)web-analysts.net _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… This message sent to csa(a)web-analysts.net

1 month, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Converting discussion list to read-only list (settings)

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/14/19 5:40 PM, Paul Arenson wrote: > >> Assuming MUA means a mail application. And if that mail application has no reply list function then the setting doesn't work. MUA means Mail User Agent which is another name for mail application, YES. > Uh-oh: I AM LOST AGAIN. (will all caps give me a larger font?) > >> It is the presence of the >> List-Post: header in the message that allows the MUA to offer/process >> the "reply-list" function. > > Ok, I asked how to make it ANNOUNCE ONLY and you said to use "allow_list_posts is False" which is the same as "Include the list post header". Not exactly. You asked what settings were different between discussion style and announce only style. What I answered was that the only setting that differed as set by the style was what Postorius calls "Include the list post header". What I didn't say explicitly was that this is not sufficient to prevent posting to the list. > So does this mean that for a subset of users I cannot make it ANNOUNCE ONLY? And is it some other setting (send to moderator) that prevents it from being a DISCUSSION list? What exactly do you want? You found some info on configuring an announce only list and I referred you to a FAQ on that subject. Both of these do not directly address Mailman 3, but they do give useful information. I am going to stop guessing at what you want to accomplish, so tell me what you want to happen when someone sends a post to the list either from HyperKitty or by email. What should happen to the message? What if anything should be sent to the user? Should this behavior be the same for all users or just a subset. If a subset, how do you identify that subset and what should happen when others attempt to post? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: moving lists to another server

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/20/23 00:58, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > What is the command to export the archive as a mbox from the DB? > I can't figure out which option it is by looking at 'mailman-web -h'. Normally you do this on the old server via the HyperKitty web UI which has download buttons which do things like https://example.com/archives/list/list@example.com/export/list@example.com.… or for a partial archive https://example.com/archives/list/list@example.com/export/list@example.com-… However, in your case I don't think you have the old installation working any more so the above won't help. > BTW, how will ' mailman addmembers' treat a file containing: > ``` > Firstname Lastname <email@address> > Onlyname <email2@address> > ``` Correctly. It will import email@address with display name = 'Firstname Lastname' and email2@address with display name = 'Onlyname'. > I have opted for the simple way to do this: > 1. Create the site in Django Admin and create/configure the list in > Postorius > 2. Add the members from the file dump, with delivery set to regular. > 3. Send the members an email informing them that they need to set their > delivery preferences. > > I am stuck on the issue of exporting the archives to mbox file as already > stated above. Perhaps you can export the mbox via the web UI on the old server or maybe temporarily create a second mailman-web on your server with the old mailman-web database and use that web UI. Otherwise, if you have a working mailman-web that can access this database, you could try something like ``` $ mailman-web shell >>> from hyperkitty.lib.compat import get_list_by_name >>> mlist = get_list_by_name('list_name_only', 'list_domain') >>> with open('output.mbox', 'wb') as fp: ... for email in mlist.emails.order_by("archived_date").all(): ... fp.write(email.as_bytes() + b'\n') ... >>> ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Update a member's display_name

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/17/19 8:45 AM, Nick Wynja wrote: >> user_manager = getUtility(IUserManager) >> u = user_manager.get_user('aperson(a)example.com') >> u.addresses[0].display_name = "Anne" >> commit() > > It seems this method updates the display_name for the user across all lists. Is there a way to update just a single instance of "member" of a list rather than the site-wide user? > > I've tried this: > > mailman shell -l test(a)example.com > >>>> mem = m.members.get_member('a(a)example.com') >>>> mem > <Member: a(a)example.com on test(a)example.com as MemberRole.member> >>>> mem.display_name > 'Anne' >>>> mem.display_name = "Anne P" > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "<console>", line 1, in <module> > AttributeError: can't set attribute That's because mem.display_name is a "calculated" attribute. The definition of the IMember class says > display_name = Attribute( > """The best match of the member's display name. > > This will be `subscriber.display_name` if available, which means it > will either be the display name of the address or user that's > subscribed. If unavailable, and the address is the subscriber, then > the linked user's display name is given, if available. When all else > fails, the empty string is returned. > """) and > subscriber = Attribute( > """The object representing how this member is subscribed. > > This will be an ``IAddress`` if the user is subscribed via an explicit > address, otherwise if the the user is subscribed via their preferred > address, it will be an ``IUser``. > """) So there is no member display_name per se. The display_name is the display_name of the associated IUser or IAddress, and these are global. The bottom line is there is not a way to update just a single instance of "member" of a list rather than the site-wide user or address? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years

[MM3-users] Re: Cross-List and Domain based sender whitelisting ( accept_these_nonmembers )

by Johannes Rohr

Am 09.01.23 um 06:30 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 1/8/23 01:37, Johannes Rohr wrote: >> >> Am 16.09.21 um 01:13 schrieb Mark Sapiro: >>> >>> Currently Mailman 3 does not support whitelisting the members of >>> another list. >> >> Is this still true in the current version? I have been using this >> quite extensively with mailman2, so loosing it is the one major >> drawback of the migration. > > > Yes it is still true. This is > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/794 Thanks! I assume, there is a reason why this cannot be easily implemented, else it would have been. Asking because I know a number of people would make extensive use of this in MM2. Johannes

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: Delete Django profiles not signed up to a list

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/31/23 14:17, Andrew Hodgson wrote: > Hi. > > Has anyone managed to get this script running using the Mailman-Web setup in a venv? It was working when Settings.py was in the /opt/mailman/mm directory but since moving to Mailman-Web has it in /etc/mailman3. I have been trying to import Mailman-Web to get the Django environment running but every time I do this I get a not configured exception raised. First, get the latest version of the script from https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/clean_users.py - not the one in this threat attached to https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… Then, you need to change `/opt/mailman/mm` in three places to `/etc/mailman3` as in ``` --- /opt/mailman/mm/bin/clean_users.py 2021-05-08 20:03:31.657565251 -0700 +++ clean_users.py 2023-03-31 15:48:31.772383287 -0700 @@ -2,13 +2,13 @@ import os import sys -sys.path.insert(0, '/opt/mailman/mm') +sys.path.insert(0, '/etc/mailman3') # The above line is required. The next line doesn't hurt, but it doesn't work # because the PYTHONPATH environment setting is processed by Python's setup # and must be in the environment when Python starts to be effective. -os.environ['PYTHONPATH'] = '/opt/mailman/mm' +os.environ['PYTHONPATH'] = '/etc/mailman3' os.environ['DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE'] = 'settings' -os.environ['MAILMAN_CONFIG_FILE'] = '/opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg' +os.environ['MAILMAN_CONFIG_FILE'] = '/etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg' import django django.setup() ``` Also, look at this ``` # If we delete the Django user and there is a Mailman user with no memberships # shall we delete the Mailman user too. DELETE_MAILMAN_USER = False # Shall we delete the Django user if there is a Mailman user with no # memberships or only if there is no Mailman user. DELETE_DJANGO_IF_MAILMAN = True ``` and consider whether you want to set `DELETE_MAILMAN_USER = True` to also delete the Mailman user if any, and/or set `DELETE_DJANGO_IF_MAILMAN = False` to not delete the django user if there is a Mailman user with no memberships. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Internal Server Error, Need 2 values to unpack in for loop; got 1

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/26/24 09:21, Elias Rudberg wrote: > > Yes, there are strange-looking long queries there at the times when > these errors happen. > > Here is an example of what such a request URL looks like, where I have > replaced some parts with [...] to avoid including anything sensitive: > > Request URL: > https://[...ip-address...]/mailman3/postorius/lists/?widget=[...]svg[...]onload=confirm[...]xss-widget[...]&height=[...]svg[...]onload=confirm[...]xss-height[...]&screen=[...]svg[...]onload=confirm[...]xss-screen[...]&pass2=[...]svg[...]onload=confirm[...]xss-pass2[...]&redirect_to=[...]svg[...]onload=confirm[...]xss-redirect_to[...]&items=[...]svg[...]onload=confirm[...]xss-items[...]&string=[...]svg[...]onload=confirm[...]xss-string[...]&hidden=[...]svg[...]onload=confirm[...]xss-hidden[...]&f=[...]svg[...]onload=confirm[...]xss-f[...]&step=[...]svg[...]onload=confirm[...]xss-step[...]&role=[...]svg[...]onload=confirm[...]xss-role[...]&preview_nonce=[...]svg[...]onload=confirm[...]xss-preview_nonce[...]&date=[...]svg[...]onload=confirm[...]xss-date[...]&event=[...]svg[...]onload=confirm[...]xss-event[...] I see similar ones from time to time. > I looked up the IP address that those requests come from (all seem to > come from the same IP address) and that corresponds to a hostname called > something with "scanner" that looks like it belongs to some > cybersecurity company. There are also many other requests from that same > IP address, including things like "GET /file://etc/passwd" and similar, > so it looks like someone is bombarding us with various weird requests as > a form of "scanning" where they are trying to find vulnerabilities. That > could also explain why we see those "Internal Server Error" errors > recurring every day, if they run that vulnerability scan daily. Yes, I think these are attempts to find vulnerabilities. > So maybe those strange request URLs that lead to the error messages > "[Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error" that we are > seeing, are constructed by someone who is actively trying to trigger bugs. I don't think this is a DOS attack or an attempt to trigger bugs. I think they are attempts to find and then exploit vulnerabilities. > But anyway, no matter what strange request URL comes in, I guess the > "Internal Server Error" indicates something going wrong in Mailman or in > Django, a bug in how the request is processed? I'm not certain, but I think it's a Django issue rather than a Mailman issue. In my case, I don't get that many and I just ignore them. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Rafael Mora

sorry, in this directory: /var/lib/mailman/var/logs Thanks El mar., 1 ago. 2017 a las 13:02, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) escribió: > On 8/1/17 10:15 AM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I got postfix installed and I can use the command mail to send emails. > The > > thing is that mailman can't send the confimation mail yet, where should I > > look for the error?? > > > Look in Mailman's logs and Postfix's 'maillog'. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

8 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: moderation notices for list-owner being redirected to mailman address

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/7/22 16:11, Philippe B wrote: > I think that your last sentence helped us figure out what's going on. > > When Mailman generates a moderation message "To: LIST-owner" it actually delivers it to the address(es) of the LIST's moderator(s), which makes sense. No, it delivers the message to the union of the sets of owner addresses and moderator addresses. > In all the cases where we've seen that behavior, it turns out that the list involved didn't have any moderator, and we have site_owner set to "mailman"... You don't need to have moderators. The owners get the message too. > However, the lists had an owner, and we're not seeing those moderation messages being sent to their owner (instead). Is that something that needs to be configured explicitly somewhere? The only things that might affect this are if Settings -> Automatic Responses -> Autorespond to list owner is Respond and discard message or if the owners delivery_status is other than DeliveryStatus.enabled. Note that finding an owner's delivery status is tricky. The owner can find it in Postorius by going to https://www.example.com/mailman3/accounts/subscriptions/ and clicking on the entry for the list with role owner. This delivery status is not the same as the delivery status for the same address with a member role if there is one. For an admin you could do ``` $ bin/mailman shell -l list.example.com Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. The variable 'm' is the list.example.com mailing list >>> owner = m.owners.get_member('user(a)example.com') >>> owner.delivery_status <DeliveryStatus.enabled: 1> If you needed to set it here, you could do >>> owner.preferences.delivery_status = DeliveryStatus.enabled >>> commit() >>> ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Permission denied for fulltext_index

by Mark Sapiro

Jan Eden wrote: > I tried setting permissions on /opt/mailman/fulltext_index to 777 > temporarily, but the issue remained (as expected). It occurs in the > Whoosh backend of Haystack (whoosh_backend.py, line 132-133): > > if self.use_file_storage and not os.path.exists(self.path): > > > > os.makedirs(self.path) > > > where self.path is referenced, which is defined in line 110 (as part of > the __init__ function): > > def __init__(self, connection_alias, **connection_options): > > super().__init__(connection_alias, **connection_options) > > self.setup_complete = False > > self.use_file_storage = True > > self.post_limit = getattr(connection_options, "POST_LIMIT", 128 * 1024 * 1024) > > self.path = connection_options.get("PATH") > > > > Unfortunately, I cannot see where the PATH key for connection_options is > defined. It is defined in the HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS dictionary in your Django settings.

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: The email confirming the registration of an account on postorius is not correctly translated in Italian

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/30/20 9:43 AM, Massimo Zappalà wrote: > > Everything works, except for this: > > When I register a new account on postorius, he sends me a confirmation email totally in English, except the following final block which is sent in Italian: > > in my /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/allauth/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/django.po > > #: templates/account/email/email_confirmation_message.txt:7 > #, python-format > msgid "" > "Thank you from %(site_name)s!\n" > "%(site_domain)s" > msgstr "" > "Grazie da %(site_name)s!\n" > "%(site_domain)s" OK. > By carefully analyzing the same file .po, I notice that the Italian translation of the whole text already exists. > Why does the confirmation email arrive in English? > > #: templates/account/email/email_confirmation_message.txt:1 > #, fuzzy, python-format This is marked fuzzy so it isn't used. If you believe the translation is correct, remove the above line (or remove ' fuzzy,' from it) and then recompile the django.mo with msgfmt. Note that the current HEAD on github <https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/blob/master/allauth/locale/it/LC…> has the above line as just #, python-format > #| msgid "" > #| "User %(user_display)s at %(site_name)s has given this as an email " > #| "address.\n" > #| "\n" > #| "To confirm this is correct, go to %(activate_url)s\n" > msgid "" > "Hello from %(site_name)s!\n" > "\n" > "You're receiving this e-mail because user %(user_display)s has given yours " > "as an e-mail address to connect their account.\n" > "\n" > "To confirm this is correct, go to %(activate_url)s\n" > msgstr "" > "Ciao da %(site_name)s!\n" > "\n" > "L'Utente %(user_display)s di %(site_name)s ha registrato questo indirizzo e-" > "mail.\n" > "Per confermare, clicca qui %(activate_url)s\n" -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Setting for archiving multi email domains?

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/4/21 6:30 AM, Duane Raymond wrote: > FYI: in the mailman log was also the following traceback > > Mar 04 14:08:24 2021 (5044) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 173, in _one_iteration > self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) > File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 266, in _process_one_file > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/runners/pipeline.py", line 37, in _dispose > process(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) > File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/core/pipelines.py", line 50, in process > handler.process(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/handlers/member_recipients.py", line 84, in process > for member in mlist.regular_members.members > File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/handlers/member_recipients.py", line 83, in <genexpr> > recipients = set(member.address.email > File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/model/roster.py", line 239, in members > yield from self._get_members(DeliveryMode.regular) > File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/model/roster.py", line 226, in _get_members > if member.delivery_mode in delivery_modes: > File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/model/member.py", line 212, in delivery_mode > return self._lookup('delivery_mode') > File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/model/member.py", line 174, in _lookup > pref = getattr(self.address.preferences, preference) > AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'preferences' > Mar 04 14:08:24 2021 (5044) SHUNTING: 1614866904.2741017+f1f320a5d0006e885586be5b33543e364e3829b4 Assuming this relates to the missing messages, there is no issue with delivery to Mailman. This message is getting to Mailman but throws the above exception during processing and is shunted. You can examine this messages with `mailman qfile var/queue/shunt/1614866904.2741017+f1f320a5d0006e885586be5b33543e364e3829b4.pck` and similarly for other shunted messages. The issue here is Mailman is going through the roster of regular (non-digest) list members to find those with delivery enabled and it finds a member that has no associated address. Can you view the members of this list? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Add domain to Mailman, can't create list with that new domain

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/17/24 15:06, Andy Matthews wrote: > Hey Mark, I'm looking at the documentation here: > https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs… > > Which seems to indicate that adding a domain via the CLI is as easy as: > > from mailman.interfaces.domain import IDomainManager > from zope.component import getUtility > manager = getUtility(IDomainManager) > manager.add('example.org') > > It's not until much further down the page that there's any reference to "committing" a change. But sure enough when I add the following three lines to the previous 4, I'm able to create a mailing list with staging.mydomain.dev using the REST API. > > from mailman.config import config > transaction = config.db > transaction.commit() I don't know how you are running these Python interactions, but if you are using `mailman shell` interactively, things like IDomainManager, and getUtility and lots of other things are imported automatically and commit() and abort() are also predefined. > I created an issue suggesting as much on GitLab: > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1178 Also when using `mailman shell`, at startup it says: ``` Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. ``` I've seen issue #1178. The issue is actually more widespread than that. There are lots of things done in the Python snippets in the docs to support the fact that they are all actually run as doctests as part of our CI to ensure they are correct. In practice it is generally easier to run these in `mailman shell`. However, the docs themselves don't say that. We say a bit at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/d… but I don't know a good way to say that globally. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman 3 installation, no mails in hyperkitty, unable to add footer.

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/23/19 8:11 AM, ugniusviln(a)gmail.com wrote: > I have read documentation, but still have stupid questions, could You please help, because I can't make it working. I do not understand something important. I have no experience with python at all. I have mailman 3, python 3.5 in my debian OS system, and additional packages like uwsgi and ect. using https://buildmedia.readthedocs.org/media/pdf/gnu-mailman/latest/gnu-mailman… about till chapter 6. I understand mailman suite has hyperkitty already. But I am not sure about: > > 1. Does mailman-suite have hyper-kitty inside? Because if I run $python manage.py runserver - it runs. In installed it under dedicated OS user home and fonfigured to run. > I can create lists, event add lists to hyperkitty page using: $django-admin runjob new_lists_from_mailman list server sends messages to list members as well. But nothing happens more. No emails come to hyperkitty, arciver log 0 size. > $ python manage.py runjobs -l shows the lists of the jobs, so seems nothing to add. How exactly did you install Mailman? The document you reference gives alternatives. You don't say exactly what you did. > 2. If I (using Postorius web interface) add footer template to my list under regular message, something strange happens. Mailman stops to send messages for list members. No any entries in the logs. Just Mailman log writes: "unable to connect localhost port 25" and no more explanation. If I delete list's footer template (web interface), mailman starts working again. What is bad here? How to add custom footer? In mailman 2 if was working so good and was easy to setup. It appears that no MTA is listening on localhost port 25. Is your MTA even running? It is extremely unlikely that this has anything to do with adding a termplate in Postorius. You might be better off installing Debian's 'mailman3-full' package <https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mailman3-full&searchon=names&su…>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman 3 - Header Filter

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/25/23 06:30, Henrik Rasmussen wrote: > > In my case I would be more interested in holding or discarding mails with subject 'Out of Office' if the mail would otherewise be send the to the list members due to a non-moderated list. > > I would emagine that the order of "check for member moderation" and header_matches would not be significant if holding or discarding the mail due to header_matches, am I right? 🤞🏻 No. It depends on what the check for member moderation rule does. If the post is from a non-member or from a member and the members moderation is Default Processing or if it is List default and the list's Default action to take when a member posts to the list is Default Processing, then the Header Filters will be applied. However, if the post is from a member and the members moderation is directly or via list default any of Hold, Reject, Discard or Accept, that is the action that will be applied. > If so, I would think that Header "subject:" or "subject" with Pattern "^(?i)(.*)autosvar(.*)" - without the double quotes - and Function "Hold for moderation" or "Discard" should either hold or discard any message with "Autosvar" (danish word for "Out of Office reply") somewhere in the subject, but that doesn't happen. What is the correct syntax? Do not include the : in the header name. Other than that, your pattern should be OK but the ^, the (?i) and the parentheses around .* are all unnecessary. > *) In a prevous mail I was told that ^ would tell Mailman that it is a regex. That is true for lots of things where either a string value or a regexp is acceptable such as the * these nonmembers entries, but the Pattern entry for Header Filters is always a regexp and is searched with re.search with re.IGNORECASE, so while your pattern above should work, a much simpler pattern is just "autosvar" (w/o the quotes). -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Getting original message headers

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/5/26 01:32, Peter Chubb via Mailman-users wrote: > > We've been seeing some particularly pernicious spammers > recently. They're using gmail accounts; I'd like to report them to > Google. > > To do that I need to find the original message headers. By the time > the message gets to the archive, or to the mailing list recipients, > all the Received: headers seem to have been deleted, leaving only the > ones from my list server outwards. Only minimal information from headers is in the hyperkitty archive, but the headers should be in the delivered email and in the message archived by the prototype archiver if enabled (Mailman's var/archives/prototype/<list_address>/new/) For example, in the list message I'm replying to I see these headers from your server > DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; > d=chubb.wattle.id.au; s=2; h=Subject:To:From:Date:References:Reply-To; > bh=g3joi1iLtQO6etRPAxWSgcpVPoLlVQz6JOFqB1oHHfY=; b=jJEI+qHRRXm7S4bGnmZU6zaeh9 > lcPLZkay/lfqg4j9/ucMazFOyEkO3dolXuwz+mnI3CdapcNoGI0/VdZKgNCjINkq6g+Lrzfj5yPZN > o8QPyn42K6pP9A724/LPtKf/ltxymwQxBGm9DbYVx3SWLc8Dxl0e2lMdT1PlQfjHZ3pk=; > Received: from [2401:d002:1202:a00::9] (helo=wombat.chubb.wattle.id.au) > by mx3.chubb.wattle.id.au with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls > TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 > (Exim 4.98.2) > (envelope-from <peter(a)chubb.wattle.id.au>) > id 1vcgxA-000000015I8-1oLW > for mailman-users(a)mailman3.org; > Mon, 05 Jan 2026 20:32:45 +1100 > Received: from [192.168.77.170] (helo=gram.chubb.wattle.id.au) > by wombat.chubb.wattle.id.au with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls > TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 > (Exim 4.98.2) > (envelope-from <peter(a)chubb.wattle.id.au>) > id 1vcgxJ-0000000AhKz-0d8s > for mailman-users(a)mailman3.org; > Mon, 05 Jan 2026 20:32:53 +1100 I don't know why you are not seeing similar headers in your list mail. Perhaps the spammers are posting via HyperKitty. > Is there a way to access the original incoming emai, before DMARC > mitigation etc., has changed the headers? If you can arrange via list settings or header filters for the message to be held for moderation, you can see the raw held message in Postorius or in Mailman's var/messages/ directory. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 weeks, 3 days

[MM3-users] Re: Manage Member(s) Mailman Settings / Display Names

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/11/20 2:43 AM, Jim Ward wrote: > I will admit I was partial to the MM 2.1 columns and checkboxes but the end result is the same, HOWEVER: > > 1) The member 'Display Name' does not seem to be available to be managed by me the domain/list administrator. > 2) The 'Search Members' function appears to be limited to the email address only and does not include display name > > These items are important to me as the list I am running includes many that are not, nor will they really ever be, technically savvy enough to access and manage their own account. Part of this is because of the architecture of Mailman 3. In mailman 2.1, we have lists and members of those lists and no connection between a member of one list and a member of another list, even if their email addresses are the same. Thus, a member of a list and that member's display name are things associated only with that list, and can be manipulated by the list admin. Mailman 3 is different. In mailman 3 we have users and addresses. A user has a display name and one or more addresses, one of which is preferred, and each address has a display name. These are independent of any list and belong to the user. Then, a list member can be a user, in which case, the address associated with this member is the user's preferred address and the display name is the user's display name (or maybe the display name of that address, I'm not sure). Or, a list member can be an address in which case, the member's display name is the display name associated with that address. Thus, in Mailman 3 the display name associated with a list member can be one of several, and these belong to the user, not to the list. As far as not searching display names is concerned, this is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/378>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: hyperkitty: "incorrect string value" for botched utf-8 encoding

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/25/20 9:47 AM, thoralf via Mailman-users wrote: > hi, > > my hyperkitty installation (3.2.1 from debian buster) started to act up > recently with > > (1366, "Incorrect string value: '\\xF0\\x9F\\x99\\x82\\x0AA...' for > column `mailman3web`.`hyperkitty_email`.`content` at row 1") > > for every new mail that is about to be archived, i'll quote the full > error mail at the end of this mail. > > i traced the issue to a slighty smiling face (aka u+1f642) in this > rather interestingly encoded email: > > […] > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; > boundary="===============2457401976140816263==" > > --===============2457401976140816263== > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="5ecb6fd9_327b23c6_2042" > > --5ecb6fd9_327b23c6_2042 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Disposition: inline > > kann halt NIE am mittwoch. viel spass =F0=9F=99=82 > […] > --5ecb6fd9_327b23c6_2042 > Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Disposition: inline > > <html xmlns=3D=22http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml=22> > […] > <div dir=3D=22auto=22>kann halt NIE am mittwoch. viel spass =F0=9F=99=82<= > /div> > --5ecb6fd9_327b23c6_2042-- > […] > --===============2457401976140816263==-- > > … which still lingers around in > /var/lib/mailman3/archives/hyperkitty/spool . > > is this to be expected, or might it be a good idea to amend mailman3 / > hyperkitty to deal with this more gracefully? When HyperKitty gets an exception like this in archiving a message, it queues it in /var/lib/mailman3/archives/hyperkitty/spool and on every new post, retries the queued messages. This message fails again on retry and is requeued. How would you suggest this be handled more gracefully? The underlying issue has been seen before. The basic problem is in MySQL and MariaDB the encoding is utf8 which only accepts utf8 encodings up to 3 bytes. It needs to be utf8mb4 to accept characters outside the base plane. I know there is a thread on this somewhere, but I can't find it right now. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Sender: header

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/30/21 7:51 PM, Philippe B wrote: > MM2 adds the header "Sender: LISTNAME-bounces@DOMAIN" to messages sent to list members. > > That causes Outlook (among others?) to display the "originator" of a message from a REAL POSTER as: > > LISTNAME-bounces@DOMAIN on behalf of REAL POSTER <REAL.POSTER@DOMAIN> > > That phrasing helps identify instantly what list a message is coming from, when that list doesn't use a Subject prefix and when its address isn't in the To: or Cc: headers. (And it turned out that some of our list members were even relying on it to trigger security alerts!) Mailman 2's adding of a Sender: header is an artifact from a time when some MTAs would return bounces to the Sender:. I think yours is the first comment I've seen that actually likes the way Outlook renders it. Most want to know how to prevent that which is why MM 2 has an option to not add it. As far as triggering alerts or filtering is concerned, there are other headers in list mail that can be used for that purpose. > It doesn't look like there's any current MM3 setting that would accomplish the same result, so the question is: How difficult would it be to revive the Sender: header? By revive, do you mean add a feature in MM 3 to add a Sender: header. If so, you could submit a request at `https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues`. If you mean how difficult would it be for you to do it. here's a one line patch that will unconditionally remove any pre-existing Sender: header and add one with the list posting address. ``` --- a/src/mailman/handlers/rfc_2369.py +++ b/src/mailman/handlers/rfc_2369.py @@ -67,6 +67,7 @@ def process(mlist, msg, msgdata): ('List-Owner', '<mailto:{}>'.format(mlist.owner_address)), ('List-Unsubscribe', '<mailto:{}>'.format(mlist.leave_address)), ('List-Subscribe', '<mailto:{}>'.format(mlist.join_address)), + ('Sender', mlist.posting_address), )) if not msgdata.get('reduced_list_headers'): # List-Post: is controlled by a separate attribute, which is somewhat ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Error when click on mailing list: An error occurred while processing your request.

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/9/24 12:32 AM, adam.heathcote(a)utas.edu.au wrote: > Hey there, > > We have a Mailman3 server with quite a few lists all running with no issues. > Recently I imported a list from our old Mailman 2 server which went fine. > > I attempted to remove the current owner and add myself but now when clicking on the list, Postorius shows: An error occurred while processing your request. > > The output of /opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log is here: > > ERROR 2024-07-09 17:11:33,371 2795 django.request Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/net-ops.list.utas.edu.au/ > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 56, in inner > response = get_response(request) ... > TypeError: sequence item 1: expected str instance, NoneType found Was there more in the log? I.e., a line like The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: followed by another traceback. If so, what was that? Is there anything in Mailman core's mailman.log? > I've tried removing it and reimporting it to no avail. Is there anything I can besides manually creating it and adding the members and owners from the old server? What do you get from Mailman's ``` mailman members -R owner your_list(a)your.domain ``` If this doesn't list you, try something like this: ``` $ mailman shell -l your_list(a)your.domain Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. The variable 'm' is the your_list(a)your.domain mailing list >>> from mailman.app.membership import add_member >>> um = getUtility(IUserManager) >>> usr = um.get_user('adam.heathcote(a)utas.edu.au') >>> rr = RequestRecord(usr.preferred_address.email, usr.display_name, None) >>> add_member(m, rr, MemberRole.owner) >>> commit() >>> exit() ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Rafael Mora

I did that but I don't have a maillog for today 07.24.2017 Is there another place to look for? El lun., 24 jul. 2017 a las 16:47, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) escribió: > On 07/24/2017 07:41 AM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > Ok, I ran 'mailman aliases', what should I do now? > > > Assuming mail delivery is not working, look in /var/log/maillog for > messages with timestamps around the time that the mail was generated. > Then try to figure out what they are saying. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

8 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius no connection to REST API

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/11/21 4:18 AM, Richard Rosner wrote: > Mark Sapiro wrote: >>> You are in a better position to answer that than am I. >> What does sudo netstat -lntp show? > > A lot. But since most of that isn't relevant here: > Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State PID/Program name > tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:465 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 20241/master > tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:8024 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 14076/python3 > tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 20241/master > tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:8001 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 14080/python3 So some python3 process is listening on port 8001 > tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:587 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 20241/master > tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN 13882/apache2 > tcp6 0 0 :::465 :::* LISTEN 20241/master > tcp6 0 0 :::25 :::* LISTEN 20241/master > tcp6 0 0 :::443 :::* LISTEN 13882/apache2 > tcp6 0 0 :::587 :::* LISTEN 20241/master > >> What does ps -fwwa|grep rest show? > > root 15055 14843 0 12:58 pts/1 00:00:00 grep rest > > So whatever it's supposed to find, it's not there But whatever is listening on port 8001 is apparently not Mailman's rest server. What does ps -fww 14080 or whatever PID is currently listening on port 8001 show. >>> mailman3-web.service must also run as list. > > I changed that. It didn't like it. OK. Perhaps instead you should have uid: list gid: list in your uwsgi configuration if you don't already. > >>> So, what do you have in your apache config for proxying to uwsgi and >> what's your uwsgi configuration. > > lists-ssl.conf: > <VirtualHost *:443> > ServerAdmin admin(a)domain.de > ServerName lists.domain.de > > Alias /mailman3/favicon.ico /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/postorius/img/favicon.ico > Alias /mailman3/static /var/lib/mailman3/web/static > > <Directory "/var/lib/mailman3/web/static"> > Require all granted > </Directory> > > <IfModule mod_proxy_uwsgi.c> > ProxyPass /mailman3/favicon.ico ! > ProxyPass /mailman3/static ! > ProxyPass "/mailman3" "unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost:8001/" I'm not familiar enough with this form of ProxyPass using sockets to understand what the localhost:8001 does in this context, but uwsgi should not be doing anything with port 8001. In a configuration using TCP, it would listen on port 8000. Port 8001 is where Mailman's REST API server listens. uwsgi should receive connects in your case via the unix socket and then pass them to Django via the application in wsgi.py Also, you may want other paths proxied to uwsgi, namely at least some of hyperkitty, postorius, archives, accounts, admin and user-profile. > </IfModule> ... > I guess with uwsgi config you mean the /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini file? > [uwsgi] > # Port on which uwsgi will be listening. > uwsgi-socket = /run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock > > #Enable threading for python > enable-threads = true > > # Move to the directory wher the django files are. > chdir = /usr/share/mailman3-web > > # Use the wsgi file provided with the django project. > wsgi-file = wsgi.py > > # Setup default number of processes and threads per process. > master = true > process = 2 > threads = 2 > > # Drop privielges and don't run as root. > uid = www-data > gid = www-data These should be 'list', not 'www-data'. That's your permissions issue on settings.py -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Rafael Mora

Yes, that was the problem, DEBUG was set to True, then it was changing to filebased the EMAIL_BACKEND. But after turning DEBUG to False I'm not getting the HyperKitty UI formatted, why is that happening?? Thanks El mar., 1 ago. 2017 a las 23:18, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) escribió: > On 08/01/2017 02:40 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > Why isn't it sending emails? > > > > What do you think? > > > What exactly are you doing that you think should result in sent mail? > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

8 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Is there an easy way to set Reply-To to a lists owner?

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/4/22 01:50, Martin Lorenz wrote: > > Now the admin of theses lists (who happens to be my wife) asked me, if it was possible to change the settings such that all replys to one of these lists can only be sent to herself (i.e. the owner address) instead of being held for moderation. > > I thought of setting Reply-To to something like <list-owner> by "simply" entering a Variable into this field, instead of using the admins/owners literal email-address. First of all, you can't really control where replies will go. This is dependent on the user's MUA and what the user does. However, you can set things so that replies will likely go where you want. Here are various options for the Postorius -> Alter Messages `Explicit reply-to address` and `Reply goes to list` settings. If the sender of all the posts to the list is the list owner, just set `Reply goes to list` to `No Munging` and a `reply` will go to the sender, but `reply-all` will go to the sender and the list, and if the user's MUA offers it, `reply-list` will go to only the list. To avoid the `reply-list` issue, set `Include the list post header` to `No` and to avoid the `reply-all` issue, set `Message Acceptance -> Require Explicit Destination` to `No` and post with the list address in Bcc:. If the sender is someone else, set `Explicit reply-to address` to `LISTNAME-owner(a)LIST.DOMAIN` and set `Reply goes to list` to `Explicit Reply-to set; no Cc added`. Also set `Include the list post header` to `No` and consider setting `Message Acceptance -> Require Explicit Destination` to `No` and posting with the list address in Bcc: as above. Note that `LISTNAME-owner(a)LIST.DOMAIN` is the list posting address with `-owner` added to the local part. This address forwards to the list's owners and moderators. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman sends Welcome emails, but does not send [List] postings emails

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/6/23 07:58, Nelson Strother wrote: > > No errors are being recorded in the mailman log files. This is GNU > Mailman 3.3.8 via `pip install mailman` on Debian 5.10.179-1 > (2023-05-12) running on a shared system where VMware gives this server > enough cycles that `mailman start` and `mailman stop` each consume from > 20 minutes to an hour of wall clock time, so I do not issue those > commands recreationally, attempting to keep the system available for > users. What should I do to help understand the cause for these failures? If a runner has died, its death and a reason should be logged in Mailman's var/logs/mailman.log with a message similar to Master detected subprocess exit (pid: 8617, why: SIGNAL 15, class: in, slice: 1/1) This may not be the case if the runner is killed by the OS for an out of memory or similar reason. For this, look in syslog. `mailman stop` can take a long time because it is waiting for a runner to stop. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/255 but that issue was fixed long ago. I don't understand why `mailman start` would take more time than `mailman restart`. In fact, `mailman restart` effectively does `stop` and `start`, but only for those runners which are running. Since you seem to frequently have missing runners, I suspect something like an OOM condition is causing the OS to kill them. Although, I wonder if you are correctly interpreting the logs. While the absence of the `retry`, `task`, `nntp` and `archive` runners might not be noticed except for messages not being archived, if either the `in` or `pipeline` runner is not running, no list posts will be processed. > Would not it be helpful for this limitation of restart to be included in: > mailman restart --help > with a suggestion to use `mailman stop` and `mailman start` instead? I have just filed https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1082 for this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: SMTPSenderRefused - howto enable STARTTLS for local mail drop

by Stefan Bauer

awesome! Thank you a lot! Am Mo., 8. Nov. 2021 um 17:37 Uhr schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > On 11/8/21 1:03 AM, Stefan Bauer wrote: > > > > how can we configure mailman3, to use STARTTLS when dropping mails to > local > > postfix for final delivery? > > > Set `smtp_secure_mode: starttls` in the `mta` section of mailman.cfg. > See > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/config/schema.… > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problems configuring hyperkitty

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/18/24 09:29, Alain D D Williams wrote: > > I am running Debian 12 - Bookworm and have installed the Debian packages. The > database is Mysql. This is not a virtualenv setup. There is no documentation in > the hyperkitty package so I am following: > > https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/install.html The primary support resource for Debian packages is Debian. See https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344 > I read the following: > > "The database can be created with the following command: > > django-admin migrate --pythonpath example_project --settings settings > " > > I assume that that will create some database tables. Hopefully this will have > been done by installing package python3-mailman-hyperkitty. > > • What database & tables will that be ? It would be really useful to be told so > that I can check. The database is configured in the DATABASES setting in your Django settings. The HyperKitty tables all have names beginning with `hyperkitty_`. > • The config file is: /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg > This does not contain any comment about databases. Where does hyperkitty get > its database parameters from ? Django, see above. > • I have several different maildomains each with several lists. Some lists in > different domains have the same name. Do I need a different > example_project/settings.py for each domain, if so what changes ? I can't really speak to Debian, but you should be using the Django settings provided as part of Django's mailman-web package, not the ones in hyperkitty/example_project/settings.py as those don't include settings necessary for Postorius. > One of the next things that I will need to do is to import archives from > mailman2. How does the command below change for the different domains ? > > django-admin hyperkitty_import --pythonpath example_project --settings settings -l ADDRESS mbox_file [mbox_file ...] In the `-l ADDRESS` argument the ADDRESS is the fully qualified list address and includes the domain. > > Is there some better documentation that I have failed to find ? Ask Debian. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Change the default value for the General Archive Policy

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/23/25 08:03, Markus Grandpré wrote: > Dear list, > > currently, when I create a new mailing list with MM3 the value for > "Archive policy" is always set to "Public archives". I'd like to change > the default value for "Archive policy" to "Do not archive this list". > How can I do this? In Debian 12 I find in > </usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/forms/list_forms.py>: ... > but have no idea how to change the settings here. Your help is very > appreciated. Are you creating the list in Postorius. If so, you have a choice for list style. Currently those choices are: ``` Announce only mailing list style. Ordinary discussion mailing list style. Discussion mailing list style with private archives. ``` There is currently no style for a list without archives, but you can implement one. See the thread at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… for hints on how to do this with a plugin. Alternatively, you can do it with a patch like: ``` --- a/src/mailman/styles/default.py +++ b/src/mailman/styles/default.py @@ -18,6 +18,7 @@ """Application of list styles to new and existing lists.""" from mailman.core.i18n import _ +from mailman.interfaces.archiver import ArchivePolicy from mailman.interfaces.styles import IStyle from mailman.styles.base import ( Announcement, @@ -91,3 +92,25 @@ class PrivateDefaultStyle( Private.apply(self, mailing_list) Discussion.apply(self, mailing_list) Moderation.apply(self, mailing_list) + + +@public +@implementer(IStyle) +class PublicNoArchiveStyle( + + Identity, BasicOperation, Bounces, Public, Discussion, Moderation): + + """The legacy default style with no archives.""" + + name = 'legacy-default-no-archive' + description = _('Ordinary discussion mailing list style with no archive.') + + def apply(self, mailing_list): + """See `IStyle`.""" + Identity.apply(self, mailing_list) + BasicOperation.apply(self, mailing_list) + Bounces.apply(self, mailing_list) + Public.apply(self, mailing_list) + Discussion.apply(self, mailing_list) + Moderation.apply(self, mailing_list) + mailing_list.archive_policy = ArchivePolicy.never ``` If you are creating lists from the command line `mailman create`, there is a --style-name option to specify the style. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to turn off Emergency Moderation for imported MM2 lists?

by Abhilash Raj

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, at 6:12 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Mark Sapiro wrote: > > On 7/28/20 5:40 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: > > > > > > This is the client that I asking about in my post. > > > She said what I > > > did, did not work. This is what I did: > > > > > > Get into a venv as user mailman > > > > > > #mailman shell > > > from mailman.model.mailinglist import MailingList > > > mlist = MailingList('listname(a)listdomain.org') > > > mlist.emergency = False > > > commit() > > > ctrl-d (just to be on the safe side) > > I half understand why this didn't work. Instantiating the list via > ``` > from mailman.model.mailinglist import MailingList > mlist = MailingList('listname(a)listdomain.org') > ``` > for some reason (that's the half I don't understand) does not get the > actual list object so changes you make to it don't affect the actual > list. It is because when you simply instantiate that class, it will create a new model instance, that you would need to persist by adding to database using `store.add(mlist)`. If you instead want to read that instance from database, you have to do `store.query()`, which is what the `.get()` method of IListManager does. > In `mailman shell` you need to do > ``` > mlist = getUtility(IListManager).get('listname(a)listdomain.org') > ``` > `getUtility` and `IListManager` are in the namespace in `mailman > shell`, but outside of that, e.g. just in `python` in your virtualenv, > you also need > ``` > from mailman.interfaces.listmanager import IListManager > from zope.component import getUtility > ``` > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

5 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: User account issue after importing data from Mailman 2.x server

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/24/24 11:01, dgoldsmith--- via Mailman-users wrote: > We finally migrated from Mailman 2.x to a Mailman 3.x several months ago. We have had some issues with people who are active list members not being able to login with their user creds and when trying to use the 'Forgot Password' link to reset, being told their user account does not exist. They can submit email to the list and get copied on other list traffic. Mailman's import21 process creates Mailman users for the list memberships, but it does not create the Django user used for access to HyperKitty and Pustorius. Your users can't reset their Django (web UI) login password because they don't have a Django account. They need to `Sign up` rather than `Sign in`. > Should Mailman 3.x have created user accounts for everyone when importing the data from the old server? It did create Mailman users, but these have nothing to do with the users that can log min to the web UI. It doesn't create these Django users. > To correct the issue on a case by case basis, can I as a server admin do something via the web UI or CLI or do we need to remove the email address from the list and ask the person to create a new account using that address and to resubscribe to the specific list or other? Just tell the users to go to the web UI and `Sign up` rather than `Sign in`. Removing and resubscribing a user will not help. The users that are members of mailing lists are completely separate from the users that can log in to the web UI. This is in part due to the modular nature of Mailman 3 and the fact that a Mailman 3 installation doesn't necessarily even have a Django based web UI. You may also be interested in the thread at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman_web/urls.py changes in Postorius 1.3.10

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/5/23 09:52, Lieuallen, Thomas Otis wrote: > The latest release of Postorius includes these lines in mailman_web/urls.py: > > > # Include alternate Postorius and HyperKitty URLs. > > path('postorius/', include('postorius.urls')), > > path('hyperkitty/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), > > > It appears that these paths override the originals (/mailman3 & /archive). They were intended as optional additions, but it appears they do function as overrides for some purposes. > I’m using apache and have had to add ProxyPass lines for these new alternate URLs, as /mailman3 and /archive don’t appear to be presented anymore by mailman-web. All the links at the top (Postorious, lists, domains, bans, system info, users, and archives) – all have /postorius or /hyperkitty as the start of their URLs. This is apparently a side effect of this change that wasn't considered in making the change. The change was made because some docs and/or example projects used the /postorius and /hyperkitty URLs and some used the /mailman3 and /archives URLs. This was an attempt to make either set work. > If I make a copy of that urls.py in /etc/mailman3 and point to it with ROOT_URLCONF – and comment out those alternate lines, the links go back to the way they were (/mailman3 and /archives). > > Or, as I mentioned, I can add the ProxyPass lines for /postorius and /hyperkitty to apache. > > One way or another, it doesn’t seem to be behaving as an alternate. Or have I overlooked something? It was intended to just add the /postorius and /hyperkitty URLs as alternates. I had assumed the links on various pages would reflect the URL used to access the page, but this is apparently wrong. I could change the order of the path lines in the distributed urls.py, but at this point it just may cause more confusion. However, since the sample config at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#apache-configur… shows only the /mailman3 and /archives URLs, I will change the order. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Handling of (un)subscribe mails for already (un)subscribed users

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/10/20 11:51 AM, Andreas Barth wrote: > Hi, > > I noticed that a mail to -subscribe for an already subscribed user > doesn't get any response (about line 225 in > mailman/src/mailman/app/subscriptions.py). Same but different for > unsubscribe for users not on the list. I tested and I see this, so there is a bug, but I don't know what the issue is. The code you point to should raise AlreadySubscribedError and <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/commands/eml_m…> should catch it and report, but this doesn't seem to be happening.. Also, <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/commands/eml_m…> should report an attempt to unsubscribe a non-member, but the issue here is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/runners/comman…> which supresses sending the response because it is redundant if the user gets a 'you have been removed' email, but in this case there isn't one. > I'd need these kind of mails however in hope that users complain less. > > Would that be generally interessting, and if so, any special > requirements for submitting patches, or should I just do that locally? These things should be fixed, but it's more involved than just a patch to fix the error. For all but trivial fixes, the workflow should be something along the lines of the following. There should be an issue on GitLab for the appropriate project; in this case at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues>. Then to develop a fix, there needs to be a fix, a test for the fixed code and a note in the NEWS.rst file about the fix. I generally prefer to start with a local clone of the GitLab branch and first create a test for the desired behavior. This test should fail. Then I create the fix, and now the test should pass. Finally, I create the NEWS item and commit those changes and create a merge request. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: user mail not accepted

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/26/21 5:16 AM, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-users wrote: > I have a user whose moderation rule is 'Accept immediately' yet when they > send a message for distribution to the list, they only receive it and it is > not distributed via the list. Logfile entries below. Please advise. Btw I > have another list on this same instance which is running fine. Thank you. > > [26/Apr/2021:12:06:25 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ssan.lists.ccalternatives.org > HTTP/1.1" 200 453 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" > [26/Apr/2021:12:06:25 +0000] "POST > /3.1/members/find?list_id=ssan.lists.ccalternatives.org&subscriber=christian > %40sewagesludgeactionnetwork.com HTTP/1.1" 200 1257 "-" "GNU Mailman REST > client v3.3.2" > [26/Apr/2021:12:06:25 +0000] "PATCH > /3.1/members/7186cd45bde34d4fa7e7b5ab36b97272 HTTP/1.1" 204 0 "-" "GNU > Mailman REST client v3.3.2" > [26/Apr/2021:12:06:26 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ssan.lists.ccalternatives.org > HTTP/1.1" 200 453 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" > [26/Apr/2021:12:06:26 +0000] "POST > /3.1/members/find?list_id=ssan.lists.ccalternatives.org&subscriber=christian > %40sewagesludgeactionnetwork.com HTTP/1.1" 200 1288 "-" "GNU Mailman REST > client v3.3.2" > [26/Apr/2021:12:06:26 +0000] "GET > /3.1/lists/ssan(a)lists.ccalternatives.org/requests/count?token_owner=moderato > r HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" > [26/Apr/2021:12:06:26 +0000] "GET > /3.1/lists/ssan(a)lists.ccalternatives.org/held/count HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" > "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" > [26/Apr/2021:12:06:26 +0000] "GET > /3.1/members/7186cd45bde34d4fa7e7b5ab36b97272/preferences HTTP/1.1" 200 295 > "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" These entries don't tell anything about a post to the list. They are all from Mailman's REST API relating to Postorius interactions with core. However the absence of messages like Apr 26 07:32:39 2021 (17860) ACCEPT: <message_id> and Apr 26 07:32:41 2021 (17857) HyperKitty archived message <message_id> to https://example.com/archives/list/list_adderss/message/message_id_hash/ assuming you are looking at the correct time span, says there wasn't an accepted list post. Mailman's smtp.log may have more info, but the complete, raw message that the user receives may be more helpful. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Sending to mangled 'From' addresses.

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/31/24 22:23, hansen via Mailman-users wrote: > > Due to the DMARC mitigation action ‘Replace From: with list address’, it happens often on my lists that someone sends a message to a mangled address, hoping that the message goes to the person listed as the sender. This happens mostly because the mail clients collect previous addresses and use them when as type-ahead candidates for new messages, which may be unrelated to the lists. DMARC mitigation action ‘Replace From: with list address’ will also place the poster's address in Reply-To: (or Cc: depending on list configuration), so a simple `reply` from a reasonable MUA should go just to the poster. > For example, say the mail client captures my address as > > “Allan Hansen via <listname>” <listaddress> > > then later, when the person wants to send a message to me, the type-ahead puts this string in the ’To:’ field: > > “Allan Hansen via <listname>” > > and, to make it worse, the actual email address, <listaddress>, is often hidden. If this is the result of a `reply` and not `reply-all` the client is not behaving reasonably. > The result is that the email gets sent to the list instead of to me, together with (often) personal and (sometimes) embarrassing information. That is a problem with the client, but I suppose such clients are not uncommon. > Is there a way to reject messages sent to recipients where the name part of the recipient is of the above format, i.e., > > "Allan Hansen via <listname>" You could add a header filter on the To header with a regexp like `^.*via <listname>` and the desired action. > Should I get onto the other list to request this as an enhancement? I don't think that's necessary in this case, as Header filters should do it. In general, the best way to request an enhancement is to file an issue with the appropriate GitLab project at `https://gitlab.com/mailman` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Rafael Mora

I'm logging with the mailman user and it says that it sent a confirmation email to my email account, but I don't see any activity in postfix with 'tail -f /var/log/maillog' command What do you suggest??? El mar., 1 ago. 2017 a las 23:18, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) escribió: > On 08/01/2017 02:40 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > Why isn't it sending emails? > > > > What do you think? > > > What exactly are you doing that you think should result in sent mail? > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

8 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman/Django-allauth integration with Yahoo

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/4/24 03:35, Дилян Палаузов wrote: > > Then I get a site, partially in English, partially localized. It is in my domain at address /mm3/accounts/confirm-email/ , and states: > > Messages: Confirmation of email address sent to ...(a)yahoo.com > Menu: Entrance \r\n New registration > > Confirm your email address: > > We have sent an email to you for verification. Follow the link provided to finalize the signup process. If you do not see the verification email in your main inbox, check your spam folder. Please contact us if you do not receive the verification email within a few minutes. I'm not certain, but it looks like you are signing in to a new account and django-allauth is creating the account with the address from yahoo and is asking you to confirm. > I have indeed received an email, which states: > New signin from … Hi, Your Yahoo account … was just used to sign in on …. If you did this, you’re all set. If not, please use this link to stop sharing, and create a new password. Have a great day! Thanks,Yahoo > > So, the /account/confirm-email states I have received an email for verification, but the email sent says no verification is needed, I am all set up. > > Any idea what can I improve? This appears to be a glitch in the new account verification process. In any case, it's a django-allauth issue, not a Mailman issue. Once you have gone through this dance, what happens the next time you sign in via Yahoo. > In addition https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/-/blob/master/mailman-suite_projec… suggests adding in settings.py: > > SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = {'openid': {'SERVERS': [dict(id='yahoo', name='Yahoo', openid_url='http://me.yahoo.com')]}} > > which I have not done. That is, I do not use the “openid” provider, but the “yahoo” provider. Do I have to use the OpenID provider when using Yahoo? I don't think it would matter. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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[MM3-users] Re: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mailman_web'

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/8/23 14:47, gordon(a)dickens.com wrote: > > Basically, it does not appear that mailman nor the runners are active and rebooting does not help. "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start" generates errors as follows: > >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 6, in <module> >> from pkg_resources import load_entry_point >> File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 3248, in <module> >> @_call_aside >> ^^^^^^^^^^^ >> File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 3223, in _call_aside >> f(*args, **kwargs) >> File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 3261, in _initialize_master_working_set >> working_set = WorkingSet._build_master() >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 617, in _build_master >> ws.require(__requires__) >> File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 956, in require >> needed = self.resolve(parse_requirements(requirements)) >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 815, in resolve >> dist = self._resolve_dist( >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 856, in _resolve_dist >> raise DistributionNotFound(req, requirers) >> pkg_resources.DistributionNotFound: The 'mailman==3.3.5' distribution was not found and is required by the application First of all, when running /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman you need to specify the -C option with the path to mailman.cfg, i.e. ``` /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg start ``` Can you run the mailman command without a subcommand. I.e. ``` /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg ``` should just produce a list of subcommands. Does it do that or produce the same error as above? I don't understand the above error. I think the content of /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman should be ``` #!/opt/mailman/venv/bin/python # -*- coding: utf-8 -*- import re import sys from mailman.bin.mailman import main if __name__ == '__main__': sys.argv[0] = re.sub(r'(-script\.pyw|\.exe)?$', '', sys.argv[0]) sys.exit(main()) ``` Which doesn't correlate with the above traceback. What is yours? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 2 months

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