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[MM3-users] Re: E-mail every minute: "Cron <www-data@sharky5> ..."
by Odhiambo Washington
On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 8:43 PM Robert Heller <heller(a)deepsoft.com> wrote:
> At Sun, 7 Jul 2024 19:48:02 +0300 Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 7:16 PM Robert Heller <heller(a)deepsoft.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > At Sun, 7 Jul 2024 18:52:05 +0300 Odhiambo Washington <
> odhiambo(a)gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 4:12 PM Robert
> Heller <heller(a)deepsoft.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > What am I missing? I *think* I have mailman3 *mostly* setup, but
> there
> > > > > are
> > > > > still some configuration things that are missing, but I am not sure
> > > how to
> > > > > fix
> > > > > them (the docs are NOT clear).
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Which docs are you relying on?
> > >
> > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html
> > >
> > > I presume these are the official docs for mailman3 -- maybe they
> aren't?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > How about this -
> > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html
> > > > ??
> > >
> > > I'm not using a virtual environment. I'm using all native Debian 12
> > > packages,
> > > installed via apt. The virtual environment docs are actually even worse
> > > (even
> > > more confusing).
> >
> >
> > Worse? :-)
>
> Even more confusing. Both sets of docs make various assumptions and don't
> really explain things properly. Like everywhere where "settings.py" is
> mentioned, it really means "/etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py"
>
No! It means /etc/mailman3/settings.py - literally!
> In any case, the virtual environment docs are hard to relate to a "native"
> install and are generally hard to follow, since they seem to jump all over
> the
> place.
When one day you'll be able to internalize what a Python virtual
environment is, you'll realize that it's VERY convenient.
You will actually embrace it from that point onwards.
(Spaghetti docs?) And it is hard to replace the various (and not
> always consistent) virtual environment paths and settings files to the
> "native"
> paths.
Actually, if you're this inclined to run everything natively, MM3 is
perhaps not for you. Why? Because you'll not easily find help here.
We focus on the virtual environment only as the standard.. Why? Because no
one is willing to deal with ALL the OS-centric packaging
out there. Python virtual environment is universal across all the OSes, I
can say.
> The "official" docs are just not useful to me, since I am not using a
> virtual
> environment. If a virtual environment is recomended, what is the point of
> the
> Debian 12 packages?
We cannot answer that here. I guess they are meant for people like you who
strive under pain :-)
With the Python virtual environment, I can install and manage MM3 in almost
any *nix OS.
> Are they just not meant to be used? Really? Do you mean that I should use
> a separate package management system for Mailman3? That
> really sucks.
>
Yes, they are meant to be used. Noone denies that. However, they are not
packaged by the Mailman Developers.
Did you read one response from Mark Sapiro where he said, and I quote:
```
If you prefer to use the Debian packages, that's fine, but if using the
Debian packages, your primary resource for support, documentation, bug
reports, etc. should be Debian. See https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344
```
So yes, go ahead and use the Debian packages. No one is stopping you.
--
Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS.
"Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)
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1 year, 9 months
[MM3-users] Re: Digests not working correctly
by Joel Lord
Now I'm on one of the lists in digest mode and I can see that it's a
mess. Periodic digests are definitely NOT working, so I'll lay that out
here.
root@host2:/# cat /etc/cron.d/mailman
# This goes in /etc/cron.d/mailman
# Replace "apache" by your webserver user ("www-data" on Debian systems) and
# set the path to the Django project directory
0 23 * * * lists /usr/local/bin/mailman digests --periodic
0 23 * * * lists /usr/local/bin/mailman notify
root@host2:/# grep digests /var/log/cron.log
Jun 11 23:00:01 host2 CRON[1632765]: (lists) CMD (/usr/local/bin/mailman
digests --periodic)
Jun 12 23:00:01 host2 CRON[2177286]: (lists) CMD (/usr/local/bin/mailman
digests --periodic)
root@host2:/home/members/directory# su - lists
lists@host2:~$ /usr/local/bin/mailman digests --periodic
lists@host2:~$ ls var/lists/<list>/
digest.mmdf
In this case I've got /usr/local/bin/mailman as a symlink to the mailman
binary inside the venv's bin directory, just for simplicity. That
digest.mmdf file is dated June 9th and clearly ought to have been
cleared out on any of the nightly runs between then and today but has
not. There are no errors anywhere I can find.
How can I try and track this down?
-Joel
On 6/4/2023 10:15 PM, Joel Lord wrote:
> The May 4th digest that went out was _also_ size-triggered, so this may
> have nothing to do with periodic digests at all, and possibly my
> periodic digests aren't working. I'm not on any of my own lists in
> digest mode, I'm slowly extracting diagnostic information out of people
> who are. Also, since this is a ~2 month cycle, it's really difficult to
> get data points to work with. I'll need to remember to go in and look
> when this settles down again (new cycle of activity started last night)
> to see if there's anything left pending.
>
> (venv) root@host2:/home/lists/mailman/venv/bin# pip freeze | grep -i hyper
> HyperKitty==1.3.7
>
> On 6/4/2023 10:05 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> On 6/4/23 18:35, Joel Lord wrote:
>>>
>>> The periodic digests do seem to be coming out. I also now have
>>> confirmation that the one message in this morning's digest that was
>>> from May 4th was also included in the last digest back on May 4th, so
>>> it seems that the one message was left behind in the digest queue
>>> when the periodic digest was sent.
>>
>> I don't see how that can happen. The process that sends a digest
>> renames the var/lists/<list-id>/digest.mmdf mailbox file in which the
>> messages are accumulated to
>> var/lists/<list-id>/digest.<volume>.<issue>.mmdf, where <volume> and
>> <issue> are the volume and issue numbers of that digest, and then
>> queues a message in the `digest` queue to tell the digest runner to
>> create the digest from the messages in that mbox and send it. Thus, it
>> leaves no var/lists/<list-id>/digest.mmdf mailbox file behind and that
>> is created anew when the next post arrives. Further, if there is a
>> non-empty digest.mmdf file, its messages should be sent no later than
>> the next 11 PM `cron digests`.
>>
>>
>>> There was one earlier message to the list back on May 4th, before the
>>> one that got duplicated, but I can't tell if that triggered a
>>> size-based digest to be sent: the logs aren't clear enough on that
>>> detail for me to tell >
>>
>> OK
>>
>>
>>> Just to inform things:
>>>
>>> (venv) lists@host2:~/mailman/venv/bin$ pip freeze | grep mailman
>>> django-mailman3==1.3.9
>>> mailman==3.3.8
>>> mailman-hyperkitty==1.2.1
>>> mailman-web==0.0.6
>>> mailmanclient==3.3.5
>>> (venv) lists@host2:~/mailman/venv/bin$ pip freeze | grep hyper
>>> mailman-hyperkitty==1.2.1
>>
>> Actually, it's HyperKitty, not hyperkitty, but I assume HyperKitty is
>> up to date as are the others.
>>
>>> (venv) lists@host2:~/mailman/venv/bin$ pip freeze | grep post
>>> postorius==1.3.8
>>>
>>>
>>
>
--
Joel Lord
2 years, 10 months
[MM3-users] Re: psycopg2 error?
by Odhiambo Washington
On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 4:38 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote:
> On 10/26/23 01:03, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
> >
> > <CUT>
> > root@debian12:/home/wash# systemctl status mailman3.service
> > × mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager
> > Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled;
> preset:
> > enabled)
> > Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Thu 2023-10-26 09:36:41
> EAT;
> > 8s ago
> > Process: 1893842 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start
> > (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)
> > CPU: 789ms
> >
> > Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]: dbapi =
> > dbapi_meth(**dbapi_args)
> > Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]:
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]: File
> >
> "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/sqlalchemy/dialects/postgresql/psycopg2.py",
> > line 690, in import_dbapi
> > Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]: import psycopg2
> > Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]: File
> > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2/__init__.py",
> line
> > 51, in <module>
> > Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]: from
> > psycopg2._psycopg import ( # noqa
> > Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan mailman[1893842]: SystemError:
> > initialization of _psycopg raised unreported exception
> > Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control
> > process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
> > Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed
> with
> > result 'exit-code'.
> > Oct 26 09:36:41 debian12.wash.lan systemd[1]: Failed to start
> > mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager.
> > </CUT>
>
> Is your database PostgreSQL or some other? If it's not PostgreSQL, see
> the thread at
>
> https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…
> - particularly
>
> https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…
>
> Also see
>
> https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#installing-mail…
> where it now says in part "This will install latest release of Mailman
> Core, and Python bindings for Postgresql database. If you are using a
> different database manager, do not install psycopg2-binary."
>
So my database is PostgreSQL-15:
```
postgres@debian12:~$ psql
psql (15.3 (Debian 15.3-0+deb12u1))
Type "help" for help.
postgres=#
```
Below is the output of `mailman info` which for some reason I forgot to
attach in the initial post. Maybe it contains something useful?
```
(venv) mailman@debian12:~$ mailman info
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 33, in <module>
sys.exit(load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.9', 'console_scripts',
'mailman')())
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/click/core.py", line
1157, in __call__
return self.main(*args, **kwargs)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/click/core.py", line
1077, in main
with self.make_context(prog_name, args, **extra) as ctx:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/click/core.py", line
943, in make_context
self.parse_args(ctx, args)
File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/click/core.py", line
1644, in parse_args
rest = super().parse_args(ctx, args)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/click/core.py", line
1408, in parse_args
value, args = param.handle_parse_result(ctx, opts, args)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/click/core.py", line
2400, in handle_parse_result
value = self.process_value(ctx, value)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/click/core.py", line
2362, in process_value
value = self.callback(ctx, self, value)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py",
line 95, in initialize_config
initialize(value)
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py",
line 229, in initialize
initialize_2(propagate_logs=propagate_logs)
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py",
line 187, in initialize_2
config.db = getUtility(IDatabaseFactory, utility_name).create()
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/database/factory.py",
line 57, in create
database.initialize()
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/database/base.py",
line 117, in initialize
self.engine = create_engine(
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File "<string>", line 2, in create_engine
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/sqlalchemy/util/deprecations.py",
line 281, in warned
return fn(*args, **kwargs) # type: ignore[no-any-return]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/create.py",
line 601, in create_engine
dbapi = dbapi_meth(**dbapi_args)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/sqlalchemy/dialects/postgresql/psycopg2.py",
line 690, in import_dbapi
import psycopg2
File
"/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/psycopg2/__init__.py", line
51, in <module>
from psycopg2._psycopg import ( # noqa
SystemError: initialization of _psycopg raised unreported exception
```
--
Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
"Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)
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2 years, 6 months
[MM3-users] Re: moving lists to another server
by Odhiambo Washington
On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 8:53 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote:
> On 11/20/23 00:58, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
> >
> > What is the command to export the archive as a mbox from the DB?
> > I can't figure out which option it is by looking at 'mailman-web -h'.
>
> Normally you do this on the old server via the HyperKitty web UI which
> has download buttons which do things like
>
>
> https://example.com/archives/list/list@example.com/export/list@example.com.…
>
> or for a partial archive
>
>
> https://example.com/archives/list/list@example.com/export/list@example.com-…
>
> However, in your case I don't think you have the old installation working
> any more so the above won't help.
>
I had a dump of the old installation actually - both databases.
The above has actually helped and I obtained the archive.
> > BTW, how will ' mailman addmembers' treat a file containing:
> > ```
> > Firstname Lastname <email@address>
> > Onlyname <email2@address>
> > ```
>
> Correctly. It will import email@address with display name = 'Firstname
> Lastname' and email2@address with display name = 'Onlyname'.
>
Super!
> > I have opted for the simple way to do this:
> > 1. Create the site in Django Admin and create/configure the list in
> > Postorius
> > 2. Add the members from the file dump, with delivery set to regular.
> > 3. Send the members an email informing them that they need to set their
> > delivery preferences.
> >
> > I am stuck on the issue of exporting the archives to mbox file as already
> > stated above.
>
> Perhaps you can export the mbox via the web UI on the old server or
> maybe temporarily create a second mailman-web on your server with the
> old mailman-web database and use that web UI.
That's exactly how I did it and got the archives.
> Otherwise, if you have a working mailman-web that can access this
> database, you could try
> something like
> ```
> $ mailman-web shell
>
> >>> from hyperkitty.lib.compat import get_list_by_name
> >>> mlist = get_list_by_name('list_name_only', 'list_domain')
> >>> with open('output.mbox', 'wb') as fp:
> ... for email in mlist.emails.order_by("archived_date").all():
> ... fp.write(email.as_bytes() + b'\n')
> ...
> >>>
> ```
>
I tested the above out of curiosity. It failed. There are 9 lists in the
setup, but I am only interested in 1.
```
(venv) mailman@debian12:~$ mailman-web shell
Python 3.11.2 (main, Mar 13 2023, 12:18:29) [GCC 12.2.0]
Type 'copyright', 'credits' or 'license' for more information
IPython 8.17.2 -- An enhanced Interactive Python. Type '?' for help.
In [1]: from hyperkitty.lib.compat import get_list_by_name
In [2]: mlist = get_list_by_name('list_name_only', 'list_domain')
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Http404 Traceback (most recent call last)
Cell In[2], line 1
----> 1 mlist = get_list_by_name('list_name_only', 'list_domain')
File ~/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/compat.py:37, in
get_list_by_name(list_name, domain)
35 matching =
list(MailingList.objects.filter(name__startswith=list_name+"@"))
36 if len(matching) == 0: # no candidate found
---> 37 raise Http404("No archived mailinglist by that name")
38 if len(matching) == 1: # only one candidate
39 return matching[0]
Http404: No archived mailinglist by that name
```
Was I supposed to substitute something for the real listname of the list I
wanted?
Another thing - totally unrelated - that surprised me:
While using the commented-out block below, I could not click and get
anything beyond http://http://list.name/mailman3 as anything to do with
/postorius/xxxxx gave "Page not found" error.
However, with the second config block that uses the UNIX socket, I am able
to access everything
```
#<IfModule mod_proxy.c>
# ProxyPreserveHost On
# ProxyPass "/mailman3" "http://127.0.0.1:8010/mailman3"
# ProxyPass "/archives" "http://127.0.0.1:8010/archives"
# ProxyPass "/accounts" "http://127.0.0.1:8010/accounts"
# ProxyPass "/admin" "http://127.0.0.1:8010/admin"
# ProxyPass "/user-profile" "http://127.0.0.1:8010/user-profile"
# </IfModule>
ProxyPassMatch ^/static/ !
ProxyPassMatch ^/favicon.ico !
ProxyPass / unix:/opt/mailman/mm/var/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost/
ProxyPassReverse / unix:/opt/mailman/mm/var/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost/
```
Why is it that the UNIX socket option worked flawlessly while the other
option failed???
--
Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
"Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)
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2 years, 5 months
[MM3-users] Re: Migrating mailman3 to latest ubuntu lts
by Helio Loureiro
Hi,
No luck :(
(venv) mailman@new-server ~ (v3.3.9)> *pip freeze | egrep
"mailman-web|django-mailman3|django-allauth"*
django-allauth==0.59.0
django-mailman3==1.3.11
mailman-web==0.0.8
(venv) mailman@new-server ~ (v3.3.9)> *pip install -U
django-allauth==0.58.0*
Collecting django-allauth==0.58.0
Downloading django-allauth-0.58.0.tar.gz (861 kB)
---------------------------------------- 861.7/861.7 KB 9.4 MB/s eta
0:00:00
Installing build dependencies ... done
Getting requirements to build wheel ... done
Installing backend dependencies ... done
Preparing metadata (pyproject.toml) ... done
Requirement already satisfied: requests-oauthlib>=0.3.0 in
./venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages (from django-allauth==0.58.0) (1.3.1)
Requirement already satisfied: Django>=3.2 in
./venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages (from django-allauth==0.58.0) (4.1.13)
Requirement already satisfied: pyjwt[crypto]>=1.7 in
./venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages (from django-allauth==0.58.0) (2.8.0)
Requirement already satisfied: requests>=2.0.0 in
./venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages (from django-allauth==0.58.0) (2.31.0)
Requirement already satisfied: python3-openid>=3.0.8 in
./venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages (from django-allauth==0.58.0) (3.2.0)
Requirement already satisfied: asgiref<4,>=3.5.2 in
./venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages (from
Django>=3.2->django-allauth==0.58.0) (3.7.2)
Requirement already satisfied: sqlparse>=0.2.2 in
./venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages (from
Django>=3.2->django-allauth==0.58.0) (0.4.4)
Requirement already satisfied: cryptography>=3.4.0 in
./venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages (from
pyjwt[crypto]>=1.7->django-allauth==0.58.0) (41.0.7)
Requirement already satisfied: defusedxml in
./venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages (from
python3-openid>=3.0.8->django-allauth==0.58.0) (0.7.1)
Requirement already satisfied: urllib3<3,>=1.21.1 in
./venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages (from
requests>=2.0.0->django-allauth==0.58.0) (2.1.0)
Requirement already satisfied: charset-normalizer<4,>=2 in
./venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages (from
requests>=2.0.0->django-allauth==0.58.0) (3.3.2)
Requirement already satisfied: idna<4,>=2.5 in
./venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages (from
requests>=2.0.0->django-allauth==0.58.0) (3.6)
Requirement already satisfied: certifi>=2017.4.17 in
./venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages (from
requests>=2.0.0->django-allauth==0.58.0) (2023.11.17)
Requirement already satisfied: oauthlib>=3.0.0 in
./venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages (from
requests-oauthlib>=0.3.0->django-allauth==0.58.0) (3.2.2)
Requirement already satisfied: typing-extensions>=4 in
./venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages (from
asgiref<4,>=3.5.2->Django>=3.2->django-allauth==0.58.0) (4.9.0)
Requirement already satisfied: cffi>=1.12 in
./venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages (from
cryptography>=3.4.0->pyjwt[crypto]>=1.7->django-allauth==0.58.0) (1.16.0)
Requirement already satisfied: pycparser in
./venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages (from
cffi>=1.12->cryptography>=3.4.0->pyjwt[crypto]>=1.7->django-allauth==0.58.0)
(2.21)
Building wheels for collected packages: django-allauth
Building wheel for django-allauth (pyproject.toml) ... done
Created wheel for django-allauth:
filename=django_allauth-0.58.0-py3-none-any.whl size=1157319
sha256=a430c552101d1ad47bc00b16d1c1d6df728afacdd13823927b4cbfb02c35dbfc
Stored in directory:
/local/mailman/.cache-ubuntu-22.04/pip/wheels/55/0a/79/e199827a18f310906c2a90b0e92b89c41daf21d2a502db6710
Successfully built django-allauth
Installing collected packages: django-allauth
Attempting uninstall: django-allauth
Found existing installation: django-allauth 0.59.0
Uninstalling django-allauth-0.59.0:
Successfully uninstalled django-allauth-0.59.0
Successfully installed django-allauth-0.58.0
(venv) mailman@new-server ~ (v3.3.9)> *mailman-web migrate*
System check identified some issues:
WARNINGS:
account.EmailAddress: (models.W036) MariaDB does not support unique
constraints with conditions.
HINT: A constraint won't be created. Silence this warning if you don't care
about it.
account.EmailAddress: (models.W043) MariaDB does not support indexes on
expressions.
HINT: An index won't be created. Silence this warning if you don't care
about it.
Operations to perform:
Apply all migrations: account, admin, auth, contenttypes,
django_mailman3, django_q, hyperkitty, postorius, sessions, sites,
socialaccount
Running migrations:
Applying account.0004_alter_emailaddress_drop_unique_email...Traceback
(most recent call last):
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py",
line 89, in _execute
return self.cursor.execute(sql, params)
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py",
line 75, in execute
return self.cursor.execute(query, args)
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line
179, in execute
res = self._query(mogrified_query)
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line
330, in _query
db.query(q)
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py",
line 257, in query
_mysql.connection.query(self, query)
MySQLdb.OperationalError: (2013, 'Lost connection to MySQL server during
query')
The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/local/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web", line 8, in <module>
sys.exit(main())
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman_web/manage.py",
line 90, in main
execute_from_command_line(sys.argv)
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py",
line 446, in execute_from_command_line
utility.execute()
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py",
line 440, in execute
self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv)
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py",
line 402, in run_from_argv
self.execute(*args, **cmd_options)
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py",
line 448, in execute
output = self.handle(*args, **options)
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py",
line 96, in wrapped
res = handle_func(*args, **kwargs)
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/core/management/commands/migrate.py",
line 349, in handle
post_migrate_state = executor.migrate(
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/migrations/executor.py",
line 135, in migrate
state = self._migrate_all_forwards(
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/migrations/executor.py",
line 167, in _migrate_all_forwards
state = self.apply_migration(
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/migrations/executor.py",
line 252, in apply_migration
state = migration.apply(state, schema_editor)
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/migrations/migration.py",
line 130, in apply
operation.database_forwards(
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/migrations/operations/fields.py",
line 235, in database_forwards
schema_editor.alter_field(from_model, from_field, to_field)
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/base/schema.py",
line 788, in alter_field
self._alter_field(
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/base/schema.py",
line 858, in _alter_field
self.execute(self._delete_unique_sql(model, constraint_name))
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/base/schema.py",
line 199, in execute
cursor.execute(sql, params)
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py",
line 67, in execute
return self._execute_with_wrappers(
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py",
line 80, in _execute_with_wrappers
return executor(sql, params, many, context)
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py",
line 84, in _execute
with self.db.wrap_database_errors:
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line
91, in __exit__
raise dj_exc_value.with_traceback(traceback) from exc_value
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py",
line 89, in _execute
return self.cursor.execute(sql, params)
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py",
line 75, in execute
return self.cursor.execute(query, args)
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line
179, in execute
res = self._query(mogrified_query)
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line
330, in _query
db.query(q)
File
"/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.10/site-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py",
line 257, in query
_mysql.connection.query(self, query)
django.db.utils.OperationalError: (2013, 'Lost connection to MySQL server
during query')
(venv) mailman@new-server ~ (v3.3.9) [0|1]> *more /etc/mailman3/settings.py*
# Mailman Web configuration file.
# /etc/mailman3/settings.py
# Get the default settings.
from mailman_web.settings.base import *
from mailman_web.settings.mailman import *
# Settings below supplement or override the defaults.
#: Default list of admins who receive the emails from error logging.
ADMINS = (
('Mailman Suite Admin', 'root@localhost'),
)
# Postgresql database setup.
DATABASES = {
'default': {
'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.mysql',
'NAME': 'mailman3web',
'USER': 'mailman3web',
# TODO: Replace this with the password.
'PASSWORD': '***********',
'HOST': 'localhost',
# PORT: set to empty string for default.
'PORT': '3306',
# OPTIONS: Extra parameters to use when connecting to the database.
#'OPTIONS': {
# Set sql_mode to 'STRICT_TRANS_TABLES' for MySQL. See
# https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.11/ref/
# databases/#setting-sql-mode
# 'init_command': "SET sql_mode='STRICT_TRANS_TABLES'",
# 'charset': 'utf8mb4',
#},
}
}
# 'collectstatic' command will copy all the static files here.
# Alias this location from your webserver to `/static`
STATIC_ROOT = '/local/mailman/web/static'
# enable the 'compress' command.
COMPRESS_ENABLED = True
# Make sure that this directory is created or Django will fail on start.
LOGGING['handlers']['file']['filename'] =
'/local/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log'
#: See https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/settings/#allowed-hosts
ALLOWED_HOSTS = [
"localhost", # Archiving API from Mailman, keep it.
"127.0.0.1",
# "lists.your-domain.org",
# Add here all production domains you have.
"*"
]
#: See
https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/settings/#csrf-trusted-origins
(venv) mailman@new-server ~ (v3.3.9)> *mysql -umailman3web -p -h localhost
mailman3web*
Enter password:
Reading table information for completion of table and column names
You can turn off this feature to get a quicker startup with -A
Welcome to the MariaDB monitor. Commands end with ; or \g.
Your MariaDB connection id is 32
Server version: 10.6.12-MariaDB-0ubuntu0.22.04.1 Ubuntu 22.04
Copyright (c) 2000, 2018, Oracle, MariaDB Corporation Ab and others.
Type 'help;' or '\h' for help. Type '\c' to clear the current input
statement.
MariaDB [mailman3web]> show tables;
+-------------------------------+
| Tables_in_mailman3web |
+-------------------------------+
| account_emailaddress |
| account_emailconfirmation |
| auth_group |
| auth_group_permissions |
| auth_permission |
| auth_user |
| auth_user_groups |
| auth_user_user_permissions |
| django_admin_log |
| django_content_type |
| django_mailman3_maildomain |
| django_mailman3_profile |
| django_migrations |
| django_q_ormq |
| django_q_schedule |
| django_q_task |
| django_session |
| django_site |
| hyperkitty_attachment |
| hyperkitty_email |
| hyperkitty_favorite |
| hyperkitty_lastview |
| hyperkitty_mailinglist |
| hyperkitty_profile |
| hyperkitty_sender |
| hyperkitty_tag |
| hyperkitty_tagging |
| hyperkitty_thread |
| hyperkitty_threadcategory |
| hyperkitty_vote |
| socialaccount_socialaccount |
| socialaccount_socialapp |
| socialaccount_socialapp_sites |
| socialaccount_socialtoken |
+-------------------------------+
34 rows in set (0.000 sec)
Best Regards,
Helio Loureiro
https://helio.loureiro.eng.br
https://github.com/helioloureiro
https://mastodon.social/@helioloureiro
On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 at 17:11, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote:
> On 12/18/23 6:24 AM, Helio Loureiro wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Indeed it was the configuration. It was placed into
> > /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py. After a I changed to
> > /etc/mailman3/settings.py a few things advanced a little bit more.
> >
> > I had to figure out how to fix mysqlclient installation since there
> isn't a
> > mention about it and the simple "pip install mysqclient" was breaking
> with
> > pkg-config issues. But it did work at the end.
> >
> > Now I can see further messages on mailman3-web than before.
> >
> > (venv) mailman@new-server ~ (v3.3.9)> mailman-web migrate
> > System check identified some issues:
> >
> > WARNINGS:
> > account.EmailAddress: (models.W036) MariaDB does not support unique
> > constraints with conditions.
> > HINT: A constraint won't be created. Silence this warning if you don't
> care
> > about it.
> > account.EmailAddress: (models.W043) MariaDB does not support indexes on
> > expressions.
> > HINT: An index won't be created. Silence this warning if you don't care
> > about it.
> > Operations to perform:
> > Apply all migrations: account, admin, auth, contenttypes,
> > django_mailman3, django_q, hyperkitty, postorius, sessions, sites,
> > socialaccount
> > Running migrations:
> > Applying account.0004_alter_emailaddress_drop_unique_email...Traceback
> > (most recent call last):
>
>
> I'm not sure why there would be an issue with this migration, but there
> is a possible compatibility issue depending on how you installed things.
>
> django-mailman3<=1.3.11 is not compatible with django-allauth>=0.58.
>
> In your venv, try
> ```
> pip install django-allauth\<0.58
> ```
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
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>
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>
2 years, 4 months
[MM3-users] Re: Held messages not delivered after approval
by Odhiambo Washington
On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 8:21 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote:
> On 7/31/25 04:29, Stephan Krinetzki wrote:
> >
> > /opt/mailman/var/queue/out:
> > total 2868
> > drwxrwx--- 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jul 31 13:26 .
> > drwxr-xr-x 14 mailman mailman 165 Jun 27 2024 ..
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 221708 Jul 30 13:16
> 1753874180.0845337+0cc7849043859a79dc3678a0d8b63c1c66df0c66.pck.tmp
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 733425 Jul 31 00:00
> 1753912841.8847518+da55f8789ae41b75d19a02b595e3fd6d45983ade.pck.tmp
>
> These indicate a problem of some sort. .pck.tmp files should only exist
> for a fraction of a second. See
>
> https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/core/switchboa…
>
> What does `mailman qfile report for these? Are they the missing messages?
>
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 17758 Jul 31 13:26
> 1753961185.0481033+6adf966467266567275f1146f5054c95e4365c13.pck
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 31122 Jul 31 13:26
> 1753961185.1064982+b1f502e2af56b9b11680135c6de5fcc5285d967e.bak
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 12945 Jul 31 13:26
> 1753961185.1562705+a88534cfa9b03012c248ac00cbb54f4fc08c8dcc.pck
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 1407634 Jul 31 13:26
> 1753961185.2598634+96e501d7aa8e72fbb9f9a5c953d48fc2c7db2bc7.pck
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 17570 Jul 31 13:26
> 1753961185.3654013+d693065f2b9a2338f887d3ac9c0669c957131100.pck
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 60624 Jul 31 13:26
> 1753961185.4132354+8998ee9eb9a8a99faf1fcf045d604e669f5d0c9e.pck
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 7361 Jul 31 13:26
> 1753961185.413462+50dcef9bb178f54ecb2d4707ccfe02773f92336c.pck
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 84848 Jul 31 13:26
> 1753961185.4464717+17836b8875aa6643f7e5fb0744e72940ce5603c6.pck
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 18003 Jul 31 13:26
> 1753961185.4929028+17e9c78a2721cbc344124c6e04a129217ea6c794.pck
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 66982 Jul 31 13:26
> 1753961185.5228019+4ef59e61c6a79dd4cdee6d1110fb0582fcfafb6c.pck
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 221723 Jul 31 13:26
> 1753961185.5756643+6de90ae99b3d528ce5234b78a287e19f7b6686fc.pck
>
>
> Also, this is a lot of outgoing messages to be queued. Are you sending
> periodic digests at this time? If you normally see a lot of messages in
> the out queue, you might consider setting it's `instances` to 2 or 4. E.g.,
> ```
> [runner.out]
> instances: 4
> ```
> in mailman.cfg
>
> > /opt/mailman/var/queue/shunt:
> > total 3304
> > drwxrwx--- 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jul 31 11:44 .
> > drwxr-xr-x 14 mailman mailman 165 Jun 27 2024 ..
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 451 Jul 31 00:00
> 1753912822.2651796+28eceef7e18eb70393377b88dc7117af8f9362a0.pck
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 490 Jul 31 00:00
> 1753912838.4197352+ea531cf0262c1faa58b1679b907fee92bc16822c.pck
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 1407870 Jul 31 00:00
> 1753912841.9177196+ccea15bdefce3a54301281c8eddf86e8230244a6.pck
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 86108 Jul 31 00:00
> 1753912841.9197443+7dcef4febc71e44c6d9309a24a08b08753e1ff42.pck
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 1407668 Jul 31 00:00
> 1753912841.9849963+a3f1869b750060c97262ece38737480d91652828.pck
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 38992 Jul 31 00:01
> 1753912860.5167956+940584c4f361cbd8c29e390b2f60590558effe40.pck
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 440 Jul 31 00:01
> 1753912860.6972685+635c065bac8dff5f9d562275d707001d773b84c1.pck
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 445 Jul 31 00:01
> 1753912868.7903054+befa066f254d7a3529a8555a6c942a554715d837.pck
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 33494 Jul 31 00:01
> 1753912878.7562895+82b724fd93260ab9a2bb49709d3a42a2f32f2c80.pck
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 217073 Jul 31 00:01
> 1753912878.9337828+de73a65d9c6febfa80275853921f4b53fd1d9e2a.pck
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 85888 Jul 31 00:02
> 1753912950.303359+8a87bce0be63ac1df8493c6b1ad6ae154fcedba7.pck
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 50244 Jul 31 00:02
> 1753912950.4970112+d44d493912bb3024547b8a5112f86f035dcb352f.pck
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 12887 Jul 31 00:02
> 1753912970.038427+31bcbd7fb2ebdf81f6de24b7283b50bcda6ded21.pck.tmp
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 443 Jul 31 11:44
> 1753955094.900898+67bc76525412da66a7c76363f65f583989716305.pck
> >
> > /opt/mailman/var/queue/virgin:
> > total 32
> > drwxrwx--- 2 mailman mailman 81 Jul 31 13:17 .
> > drwxr-xr-x 14 mailman mailman 165 Jun 27 2024 ..
> > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 32013 Jan 11 2025
> 1736550035.6163204+472f81ece5e45a2651a4499bef418f611b43c619.pck.tmp
> >
> > Nothing special there (shunt should be checked, but not in correlation
> with my mail).
>
>
> Actually those .pck.tmp files indicate some issue.
>
> > I have one list which archives the mail. In the archive there is the
> mail, but it doesn't get deliverd
>
> Which says the pipeline to_archive handler is adding the message to the
> archive queue and the archive runner is handling it, so presumably the
> pipeline to_outgoing handler is adding the message to the out queue, so
> the issue is in the outging runner.
>
In one response, he mentioned that "Other mailinglists on the same host are
doing fine. Even a 1:1 copy of the list works - only the original list does
not work".
Does it mean that "the issue is in the outgoing runner" only for a single
list?
--
Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS.
"Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)
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9 months
[MM3-users] Re: Apache+mod_wsgi issue
by Odhiambo Washington
On Sat, Dec 24, 2022 at 9:40 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote:
> On 12/24/22 00:00, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
> >
> > These are my files:
> > 1. urls.py
> > <CUT >
> > from django.conf.urls import include
> > from django.urls import re_path
> > from django.contrib import admin
> > from django.urls import reverse_lazy
> > from django.views.generic import RedirectView
> >
> > urlpatterns = [
> > re_path(r'^$', RedirectView.as_view(
> > url=reverse_lazy('list_index'),
> > permanent=True)),
> > re_path(r'^postorius/', include('postorius.urls')),
> > re_path(r'^hyperkitty/', include('hyperkitty.urls')),
> > re_path(r'', include('django_mailman3.urls')),
> > re_path(r'^accounts/', include('allauth.urls')),
> > # Django admin
> > re_path(r'^admin/', admin.site.urls),
> > re_path(r'^mailman3/', include('postorius.urls')),
> > re_path(r'^archives/', include('hyperkitty.urls')),
> > ]
> > </CUT>
>
>
> You don't need all of those. ^postorius/ and ^mailman3/ are two
> different ways to access Postorius, and ^hyperkitty/ and ^archives/ are
> two different ways to access HypereKitty. You only need one of each, but
> having both is OK.
>
That urls.py was picked from
https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience.
Maybe that page needs some edits/revision now?
> 2. apache.conf
> > <CUT>
> > ...
> > Alias /static "/opt/mailman/mm/static"
> > <Directory "/opt/mailman/mm/static">
> > Require all granted
> > </Directory>
> > # WSGIScriptAlias /mailman3 /opt/mailman/mm/wsgi.py
> > # WSGIScriptAlias /accounts /opt/mailman/mm/wsgi.py
> > # WSGIScriptAlias /admin /opt/mailman/mm/wsgi.py
> > # WSGIScriptAlias /archives /opt/mailman/mm/wsgi.py
> > # WSGIScriptAlias /user-profile /opt/mailman/mm/wsgi.py
> > # WSGIScriptAlias /hyperkitty /opt/mailman/mm/wsgi.py
> > # WSGIScriptAlias /postorius /opt/mailman/mm/wsgi.py
> > WSGIScriptAlias / /opt/mailman/mm/wsgi.py
>
>
> This will send every http request to mod_wsgi except for requests to
> /static. This is OK if there are no other web sites on this server and
> the only http requests are for Django related things.
>
This is just a virtual host. There are other websites on the server.
...
> > I have tested with creating all those commented out aliases and that
> ended
> > up still giving me /mailman3/mailman3/* which I did not
> > like, although everything appeared to work.
> > I then ended up with only "WSGIScriptAlias / /opt/mailman/mm/wsgi.py"
> > and now when I type https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke I end
> > up at https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman3/lists/. Of course
> something
> > has appended "/mailman3"
> > So this has resulted in all URLs having /mailman3/ appended, except for
> the
> > /archives link.
>
>
> How about https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/user_profile/ ?
>
I have uncommented the line "WSGIScriptAlias /user-profile
/opt/mailman/mm/wsgi.py",
I don't see any definition for it in urls.py as well. Perhaps that's the
issue?
When I uncomment /user-profile, I end up with an ugly URL:
https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/user-profile/user-profile/
So instead of aliasing the /user-profile, I have decided to add another
definition to urls.py:
re_path(r'^user-profile/', include('allauth.urls')),
Which I think gives me a cleaner URL:
https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/user-profile/login/?next=/user-profile/
I also had to alias /accounts, which then brings me to:
https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/accounts/mailman3/lists/ - which I believe
is fine because one gets the
option to either login or signup.
And I think that "/account" and "/user-profile" are synonymous.
> Now my question is about what could be adding the /mailman3. Is it
> possible
> > that I installed something out of the ordinary?
>
>
> It's a mod_wsgi thing. I haven't used mod_wsgi for Mailman for some time
> (I now use gunicorn on all the sites I manage), but when I did I think I
> had
> WSGIScriptAlias /mm3 /opt/mailman/mm/wsgi.py
>
> and all the URLs were like https://example.com/mm3/mailman3/...,
> https://example.com/mm3/archives/..., etc.
>
I already had gunicorn working too, but I just need to also figure out this
mod_wsgi.
I will stop bothering about the /mailman3 being appended, as long as it
serves the required purpose.
Thank you for all the help.
--
Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
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3 years, 4 months
[MM3-users] Re: hello， Discussion on how to subscribe to the mailing list
by Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Sapiro writes:
> On 1/16/23 18:55, 朱超 wrote:
> > Hi, When I subscribe the email list in Subscription Policy is
> > confirm, Some problems happen in here：
> > 1.Some mail mua reject send the confirm the message, because the
> > length of recipient is too long. for exmaple:
> > requirements-confirm+9605556e0b35a5da280c1de0d34a3e6f770f8ea5@domain,
> > and the mail mua reject to modify about this.
>
> The default English template says in part:
>
> Before you can start using GNU Mailman at this site, you must first
> confirm that this is your email address. You can do this by replying to
> this message.
>
> Or you should include the following line -- and only the following
> line -- in a message to $request_email:
>
> confirm $token
>
> I.e. It gives an alternative method if `reply` doesn't work. You can
> provide a custom version of this template with different wording if you
> think you can improve it.
The problem is the reply address, though. Changing the template to
suggest only the "confirm $token" in body method doesn't help people
who hit R expecting that should work, especially since many "user
fiendly" (misspelling intentional) MUAs don't display the address.
Avoiding that requires code changes, I guess?
> > 2.It is inconvenient for users to use. Many people will
> > mistakenly think that after clicking the subscribe button, it
> > will be successful, and they will not process the email.
> step, you can set Subscription Policy to Open, but then anyone can
> maliciously subscribe third parties to the list.
*Please* do not do this if your server is exposed to the Internet.
There are bots that search for such servers, and sell lists of them to
people who want to DOS mailboxes. You may find yourself banned across
the Internet.
The only real alternative to confirmation is approval by moderators.
I believe Mailman 3 offers that alternative as Mailman 2 did, can't
check at the moment.
> > Regarding the discussion on the subscription method of the
> > mailing list, should we consider optimizing the subscription
> > method of the mailing list, for example:
> > 1. use the method of sending a verification code to subscribe by
> > email，When you receive the verification code sent by the
> > mailing list and fill it in again, you can subscribe
> > successfully。
>
> How is this different from the present method.
Just wording. I think they are thinking of the "invite" option that
was provided in Mailman 2 mass subscribe (again, I think Mailman 3
retains it but I never ever used it so I don't recall for sure). But
it doesn't make sense for a user-initiated interaction.
> If you want, you can make
> a custom template and include something like:
>
> Alternatively, you can confirm by going to the URL
>
> https://www.example.com/mailman3/lists/$list_id/confirm/?token=$token
If I understand the OP's PoV correctly, I think I would change the
list information page to say "Send a personal invitation to join the
list to [email address here]. If you aren't a subscriber, you can
invite yourself." And change the word "confirm" in the confirmation
template to "subscribe".
> We don't include that in the default template because Mailman core
> doesn't know if you even have a web UI or how to access it if you
> do.
We should fix that, at least if the web interface is Postorius
(wishlist, assigned to me):
https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1055
@mark
https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/901
Maybe we can close this? I'm not sure why it was left open since
there's no action proposed for Mailman improvement.
> > 2. use the email to send a connection to confirm the
> > subscription，People click the link to be redirected to a
> > confirmation page to subscribe to the email。
>
> See above.
Indeed, AFAICS almost everything the OP is suggesting amounts to an
identical procedure as far as the Mailman server is concerned, it's
just described to the subscriber differently. The one exception is
the suggestion to eliminate the confirmation step, and while that is
supported, it's quite likely to cause problems for third parties and
eventually for the Mailman site unless you have an alternative ground
source of truth such as an employee database.
Steve
3 years, 3 months
[MM3-users] Re: Postorius claims 2 messages held when there are none - out of sync
by Ken Alker
--On Monday, June 26, 2023 8:24 AM -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>
wrote:
> On 6/26/23 12:01 AM, Ken Alker wrote:
>> When I view a list via Postorius the "Held Messages" menu item has an
>> inverse-red-"2" next to it, as if there are two held messages. There
>> are, in fact, no messages in "/opt/mailman/mm/var/queue/*" (assuming the
>> held messages should be in "pipeline" subdirectory). When I click on
>> "Held Messages" I get "Something went wrong" followed by "HTTP Error
>> 500: {"title": "500 Internal Server Error"}". How do I fix this?
>
> The held messages are not in any queue. They are stored in Mailman's
> var/messages/ hierarchy. They can be examined with `mailman qfile`
Is the var/messages hierarchy also where all the archived emails are stored
for future viewing via the web interface?
> Also, there is a long thread at
> https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/threa
> d/UWCUQYU7Q5X5LWNII57ZZ4DDXE4DEFX7/ and maybe others that might be
> relevant.
I have never used the mailman shell before, but based on the referenced
thread I learned to do this (note that the thread also taught me how to
rewrite it to narrow down to just the list with issues so I didn't delete
held messages in other lists, if my case):
for verification:
venv) mailman@speedy:~/web/logs$ mailman shell -l
sbarc-list(a)lists.netlojix.com
Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell
Use commit() to commit changes.
Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit.
Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not.
The variable 'm' is the sbarc-list(a)lists.netlojix.com mailing list
>>> requests = IListRequests(m)
>>> first = True
>>> for request in requests.held_requests:
... key, data = requests.get_request(request.id)
... if first:
... first = False
... print(m.list_id)
... print (f"""\
... Sender: {data['_mod_sender']}
... Subject: {data['_mod_subject']}
... Date: {data['_mod_hold_date']}
... Reason: {data['_mod_reason']}
... """)
...
and then to delete the two messages:
(venv) mailman@speedy:~/web/logs$ mailman shell -l
sbarc-list(a)lists.netlojix.com
Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell
Use commit() to commit changes.
Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit.
Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not.
The variable 'm' is the sbarc-list(a)lists.netlojix.com mailing list
>>> requests = IListRequests(m)
>>> first = True
>>> for request in requests.held_requests:
... key, data = requests.get_request(request.id)
... if first:
... first = False
... print(m.list_id)
... print(f'request id: {request.id}, deleting')
... requests.delete_request(request.id)
...
sbarc-list.lists.netlojix.com
request id: 27, deleting
request id: 28, deleting
>>>
The result of this, however, was that the web interface still claimed I had
two held messages. I wasn't sure if there was some cron-type "sweeper"
process I had to wait to auto-run or if I had to manually do something to
create an update. I then realized that the sample script had a ' >>>
commit ()" ' at the end, which I'd missed. So, I re-entered the script
(but it didn't spit out that it deleted anything this time) and got an
error when I did the commit. So, I figured the messages HAD been delete
and the commit wasn't really necessary. When I went back to the web
interface, the number of held messages was at 0 and I no longer get the
original error when clicking on "Held messages", so my issue is solved.
But this does leave me with some educational questions:
1) Did I affect something somehow with my "commit", or was there a job that
cleaned things up (if so, what job)?
2) Is the "commit" even necessary (I saw it in someone else's script in the
thread)?
3) Is there a way to save a script and then execute it via shell rather
than typing it in every time (it appears from the examples that people are
typing them in every time, which is super tedious; I didn't paste for fear
of doing something damaging, but maybe that would work)?
4) Are the request.id's of the messages dynamic/changing, or are they fixed
for life? I thought I'd delete based on exact request.id without looping
but I was afraid maybe they were changing over time and that this wouldn't
be a good idea. Might be nice to know for the future.
Thanks for the guidance!
Ken
2 years, 10 months
[MM3-users] Re: Attachement processings questions
by Lars Schimmer
On 2020-02-03 20:24, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 2/3/20 4:27 AM, Lars Schimmer wrote:
>>
>> In a mailinglist it seems some mails are not forwarded to a member, but
>> is listed in archive in hyperkitty.
>> That mail did include a PDF attachement, but HyperKitty does not list
>> any attachement.
>
>
> There are two issues here. Why wasn't the message delivered to list
> members?, and why is there no attachment in Hyperkitty?
>
> For the first issue, you need to examine mailman.log for the time of the
> post looking for errors and tracebacks. Also, the MTA logs may have
> useful info if the messages were sent but not delivered.
Thank you so far, I maye found the issue:
Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' codec can't encode character '\xe9'
in position 109: ordinal not in range(128)
Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' codec can't encode character '\xa0'
in position 37: ordinal not in range(128)
Seems to be the problemm, as it happens the same moment as the
problematic email arrives in exim4:
2020-01-31 03:02:41 1ixLdp-0003Mo-5z => user(a)abc.de R=mailman3_router
T=mailman3_transport H=localhost [127.0.0.1] C="250 Ok"
2020-01-31 03:02:41 1ixLdp-0003Mo-5z Completed
and nothing more. No sign of mailman3 sending out any mail via this list.
Other emails getting to that list will be send out via user-bounces(a)abc.de.
Those mails are in the mailinglist archives, not on hold or anything.
Just the attachement missing.
So, please, howto fix the ascii encoding error in mailman3?
Full trace:
Jan 31 03:02:43 2020 (32591) Uncaught runner exception: 'ascii' codec
can't encode character '\xe9' in position 109: ordinal not in range(128)
Jan 31 03:02:43 2020 (32591) Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line
173, in _one_iteration
self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata)
File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line
266, in _process_one_file
keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/runners/pipeline.py",
line 37, in _dispose
process(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/core/pipelines.py", line
50, in process
handler.process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/handlers/to_digest.py",
line 48, in process
mbox.add(msg)
File "/usr/lib/python3.7/mailbox.py", line 603, in add
self._toc[self._next_key] = self._append_message(message)
File "/usr/lib/python3.7/mailbox.py", line 758, in _append_message
offsets = self._install_message(message)
File "/usr/lib/python3.7/mailbox.py", line 830, in _install_message
self._dump_message(message, self._file, self._mangle_from_)
File "/usr/lib/python3.7/mailbox.py", line 215, in _dump_message
gen.flatten(message)
File "/usr/lib/python3.7/email/generator.py", line 116, in flatten
self._write(msg)
File "/usr/lib/python3.7/email/generator.py", line 181, in _write
self._dispatch(msg)
File "/usr/lib/python3.7/email/generator.py", line 214, in _dispatch
meth(msg)
File "/usr/lib/python3.7/email/generator.py", line 432, in _handle_text
super(BytesGenerator,self)._handle_text(msg)
File "/usr/lib/python3.7/email/generator.py", line 249, in _handle_text
self._write_lines(payload)
File "/usr/lib/python3.7/email/generator.py", line 155, in _write_lines
self.write(line)
File "/usr/lib/python3.7/email/generator.py", line 406, in write
self._fp.write(s.encode('ascii', 'surrogateescape'))
UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character '\xe9' in
position 109: ordinal not in range(128)
> For the second, there are many content filtering settings not (yet)
> exposed in Postorius. These include filter_extensions, filter_types,
> pass_extensions and pass_types which control which MIME parts are
> removed. For a newly created Mailman 3 list, these four settings are
> empty, but importing a Mailman 2.1 list will set them according to the
> corresponding MM 2.1 list's settings.
>
>
>> All I found was "convert HTML to plaintext", but does this setting
>> remove attachements?
>
>
> It would only affect HTML parts, not pdfs.
>
>
>> Is there any generel documentation about attachement processing in MM3?
>
>
> <https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/handlers/docs/filterin…>.
>
>
>
>> I would like this mailinglist to accept mails with attachements, send it
>> to the members and archvie the attachments in HyperKitty, to.
>
>
> You can set Settings -> Alter Messages -> Filter content to No in
> Postorius to not do any content filtering at all. This will override the
> Collapse alternatives and Convert html to plaintext settings and pass
> the message without removing any MIME parts.
>
> But, I think you must have other issues, either with this mail in
> particular or in general as evidenced by the mail not being received by
> list members.
Ok, first fix the ascii encode error for me. Any idea how?
thank you.
MfG,
Lars Schimmer
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6 years, 3 months