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[MM3-users] Re: Member Issue Discovered

by Brian Carpenter

On 10/19/20 9:04 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I suppose it could be considered a bug, but what's happening is your > initial subscribe created a user and and address and set the user's > preferred address to the created address. It also set the display_name > of the address and it subscribed the user to the list or possibly the > address to the list depending on what actually did the subscribe. > > When the user/address was unsubscribed, it is removed from the list's > membership and the list was removed from the user's memberships, but the > user and address still existed. > > Then when you resubscribed, the existing user/address was made a member > of the list, but not updated so the "new" display_name was ignored. I > think this is also the case if the original address had no display_name. > > You could say this is a bug and the display_name associated with this > new subscription should replace the prior one, but what if that address > was subscribed to other lists and didn't want the display_name changed > on those lists. > > Ideally (perhaps) there could be multiple address records with the same > email address and different display_names, but address records are keyed > by email address, so this can't be. > > One workaround would be for a user who wanted to have an address with > different display_names for different lists to have multiple addresses > likeaddress+list1@example.com,address+list2@example.com, etc. > > Is this really an issue that should be fixed or just a curiosity? No. No. No. No one set their preferred address here at all. The first incident was an imported list member who was not a registered user. They wanted their real name changed to something else. The list owner tried to figured out how to do that, found no way to do it, figured out it was just easier to unsubscribe them, and resubscribed them to the list using a different name. The old name showed up again. This is a bug and please fix it soon. This has nothing to do with being subscribed to other lists. I can probably come up with a workaround using Affinity (one of the benefits of moving away from Postorius) but I can't imagine this not being a serious issue as Mailman 3/Postorius is more widely adopted. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Restore/export existing Mailman lists + hyperkitty archives on a new server

by alexs＠ecoscentric.com

Mark Sapiro wrote: ... > I thing just dumping and loading the databases and copying mailman.cfg > and the Django settings should do it. Are the domains the same on the > new server? If not there may be issues with that. I'd need to see the > exception and traceback to say more. I am migrating from mailman 3.2.1 & mailman3-web 0+20180916-8 on Debian Buster to mailman 3.3.8 & mailman3-web 0+20200530-2.1 on Debian bookworm, have mailman3 and mailman3-web configured (and running on bookworm) from the initial install. But when I use the mailman3-web 0+20180916-8 database (after stopping mailman3 and mailman3-web) on bookworm, unfortunately migrate fails: # mailman-web showmigrations account [X] 0001_initial [X] 0002_email_max_length admin [X] 0001_initial [X] 0002_logentry_remove_auto_add [X] 0003_logentry_add_action_flag_choices auth [X] 0001_initial [X] 0002_alter_permission_name_max_length [X] 0003_alter_user_email_max_length [X] 0004_alter_user_username_opts [X] 0005_alter_user_last_login_null [X] 0006_require_contenttypes_0002 [X] 0007_alter_validators_add_error_messages [X] 0008_alter_user_username_max_length [X] 0009_alter_user_last_name_max_length [X] 0010_alter_group_name_max_length [X] 0011_update_proxy_permissions [X] 0012_alter_user_first_name_max_length contenttypes [X] 0001_initial [X] 0002_remove_content_type_name ... # mailman-web migrate --plan Planned operations: contenttypes.0001_initial Create model ContentType Alter unique_together for contenttype (1 constraint(s)) auth.0001_initial Create model Permission Create model Group Create model User account.0001_initial Create model EmailAddress Create model EmailConfirmation account.0002_email_max_length Alter field email on emailaddress admin.0001_initial Create model LogEntry admin.0002_logentry_remove_auto_add Alter field action_time on logentry admin.0003_logentry_add_action_flag_choices Alter field action_flag on logentry contenttypes.0002_remove_content_type_name Change Meta options on contenttype Alter field name on contenttype Raw Python operation Remove field name from contenttype ... But the migrate fails at the first operation: # mailman-web migrate Operations to perform: Apply all migrations: account, admin, auth, contenttypes, django_mailman3, django_q, hyperkitty, postorius, sessions, sites, socialaccount Running migrations: Applying contenttypes.0001_initial...Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 82, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py", line 73, in execute return self.cursor.execute(query, args) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 209, in execute res = self._query(query) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 315, in _query db.query(q) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py", line 239, in query _mysql.connection.query(self, query) MySQLdb._exceptions.OperationalError: (1050, "Table 'django_content_type' already exists") ... Indeed the table django_content_type already exists on 0+20180916-8 . Apart from fields changes, there are an additional 4 tables in mailman3-web 0+20200530-2.1 I managed to import the mailman 3.2.1 database to the mailman 3.3.8 database, and all lists, subscriptions and settings looks fine. So how can I upgrade my existing mailman3-web database?

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: how to unhold a hold message from a nonmmeber in hold list.

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

El 21/4/23 a las 10:37, Odhiambo Washington escribió: > > > On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 11:20 AM Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via > Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > > I'm having troubles with Django and cannot access to web admin. > > I need to unhold a message while figures out what is happening. > > Searching the mailman cli help commands didn't help me. > > Anyone who knows how to unhold a message, please? > > > TBH, I find it a lot easier to fix the web UI than mess with the > python shell :-) > > While you wait for @Mark Sapiro <mailto:mark@msapiro.net> to save you, > you can be reading the following: > > https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailmanclient/en/latest/src/mailmanclien… Thanks: it seems the place to do it (I didn't find it) I'm fighting the web UI problem. It seems that something in wsgi has changed and is no more compatible with my version of things. Error log from apache shows: mod_wsgi (pid=30632): Failed to exec Python script file '/usr/local/mailman3/wsgi.py'. mod_wsgi (pid=30632): Exception occurred processing WSGI script '/usr/local/mailman3/wsgi.py'. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/mailman3/wsgi.py", line 34, in <module> from django.core.wsgi import get_wsgi_application File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/wsgi.py", line 2, in <module> from django.core.handlers.wsgi import WSGIHandler File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/core/handlers/wsgi.py", line 3, in <module> from django.conf import settings File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/conf/__init__.py", line 19, in <module> from django.utils.deprecation import RemovedInDjango50Warning, RemovedInDjango51Warning File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django/utils/deprecation.py", line 4, in <module> from asgiref.sync import iscoroutinefunction, markcoroutinefunction, sync_to_async ImportError: cannot import name 'iscoroutinefunction' from 'asgiref.sync' (/usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/asgiref/sync.py) Yesterday all were running without problems, today is another day X) > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 > "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) > [How to ask smart questions: > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] -- ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firma-GHP-emails.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: moving individual list to different domain

by Johannes Rohr

Dear Mark, thanks as always for your very thorough explanation. I guess, it is simply not practical then... Cheers, Johannes Am 21.03.23 um 19:11 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 3/21/23 06:21, Johannes Rohr wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> on mailman2 it was possible to move a list to a different domain >> within the same mailman instance. >> >> I have found no information on how the same can be accomplished on >> mailman3. >> >> Is this possible at all? > > > In mailman 2.1, a list was identified by its name only without the > domain and those names had to be globally unique. A site could be > configured to support multiple virtual hosts and a list had a > host_name attribute which could be changed if desired to assign the > list to a different virtual host, but there couldn't be two lists with > the same name even if they had different host names. > > Mailman 3 is different. In order to remove the restriction that list > names (without the domain) had to be globally unique, in MM 3 the > domain is part of the list name. I.e., we can now have > list(a)example.com and list(a)example.net as two distinct lists in the > same installation. > > Suppose we want to rename list(a)example.com to list(a)example.net. This > becomes involved in Mailman 3 because it affects not only Mailman > core, but also mail delivery and archiving. Furthermore, the list with > fqdn_listname list(a)example.com has the list_id list.example.com. If we > change the fqdn_listname to list(a)example.net, the list_id should > remain list.example.com per RFC 2919 Sec. 4. > <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2919>. We can just change the > list's mail_host attribute via REST > <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/…> > or via a database query, but this leads to confusion. I.e., a URL like > https://example.com/mailman3/lists/list.example.com/ will still work > but https://example.com/mailman3/lists/list@example.com/. > > To avoid this, we could also change the list_id, but we can't do that > via REST as it's a read-only property, and changing the list_id says > this is really a new list, not the same list with a new name. > > Also, none of this addresses archiving. >

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Is there a way of recording bounce messages?

by Mohsen Masoudfar

Thank you Mark! [EXTERNAL EMAIL] On 9/26/23 11:29, Mohsen Masoudfar wrote: > > I'm dealing with the same issue. Upon reviewing the logs, I've noticed a significant number of bounced emails for a particular mailing list. Gmail users have reported not receiving emails. > I haven't been able to locate the "munge from" information. My current setup is using Mailman 3.1.1. I read it has been introduced in 3.2. DMARC mitigations were introduced in Mailman 3.1.0. They should be available in 3.1.1. They were first exposed in Postorius 1.1.0. Where are you looking for DMARC mitigations? >> Sorry, It was my misunderstanding. DMARC mitigation is functioning well for newly created lists, even with Gmail addresses. >> I am suspicious that Gmail might be rejecting or bouncing emails from the list due to the reputation of those lists. >> It's worth noting that I am not the owner of the lists, but admin the Mailman3 infrastructure. My objective is to determine if our suspicious is accurate, whether Gmail is rejecting emails because of the bad reputation. We have asked Google, but no response so far. >> I am interested to know more about the reasons behind these bounces, they are all handled by Postfix and deleted. > The Question is what to do with Mailman 3.1.1, if the upgrade is not an option. > > I get in the logs messages like below with several Queue-ids: > > Sep 25 09:03:55 localhost postfix/smtpd[26692]: 147583E927: client=a14-93.smtp-out.amazonses.com[54.240.14.93] > Sep 25 09:03:55 localhost postfix/cleanup[26696]: 147583E927: message-id=<0100018acb94b326-fdf39193-144e-4fdc-8faf-0d3df54eb4ee-000000(a)email.amazonses.com> > Sep 25 09:03:55 localhost postfix/qmgr[1298]: 147583E927: from=<>, size=24934, nrcpt=1 (queue active) > Sep 25 09:03:55 localhost postfix/lmtp[26697]: 147583E927: to=<listname-bounces@servername>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.03, delays=0.01/0/0/0.01, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) > Sep 25 09:03:55 localhost postfix/qmgr[1298]: 147583E927: removed This only says that some Amazon MTA has relayed a bounce to Mailman. It says nothing about why the message bounced. >> Is there a way to send them to a mailbox? Or prevent them from being deleted, so that I can look into the message body? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…<https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/> Archived at: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.mai…<https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> This message sent to mmasoudf(a)aaas.org

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Timeout error on anonymous subscribe

by Gerald Vogt

On 24.10.24 22:09, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/23/24 23:36, vogt(a)spamcop.net wrote: >> The only difference the last times is that with curl, the server side >> sends the ACK for the request and milliseconds later a PSH,ACK with >> the response headers. When it comes internally from mailman it sends >> the ACK for the request and then 5 seconds later it sends the PSH,ACK >> with the response headers. > > I'm unable to explain what's going on. You could try one more thing in > an attempt to duplicate this outside of Mailman. Invoke the same python3 > that Mailman does - this may be in a venv or the system python3. If in a > venv, you don't need to activate the venv, just run venv/bin/python. > > Then in response to Python's prompts do > ``` > >>> import requests > >>> res = requests.get('https://lists.example.org/mailman3/api/ > templates/list/community.lists.example.com/list:user:action:subscribe', > timeout=5) > ``` > and see what that does? I think it should time out because this is > exactly what Mailman core is doing tho get the template, and if it does, > perhaps you can determine why from this simple example. I have tried it using the fqdn url as well as the localhost:8000 url but in both cases requests.get immediately returns the response. The server side pushes the response within milliseconds. But that made me looking another time at the localhost tcpdump: I have noticed two connections to localhost:8000 where gunicorn with mailman_web.wsgi:application is running. The first one is POST /mailman3/lists/community.lists.example.com/anonymous_subscribe the second one is GET /mailman3/api/templates/list/community.lists.example.com/list:user:action:subscribe Both take 5 seconds. First the first one responds then shortly after the second one. I have noticed that only two gunicorn processes are running which looked like only one is a worker. Thus I have added workers=9 (2xncore+1) to /etc/mailman3/gunicorn.conf and restarted mailmanweb.service. Now it's working. So it must have been some kind of deadlock situation because it only had a single worker running. I have just followed the docs from https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#setting-up-guni… which doesn't mention anything about workers and I seriously don't have a clue about gunicorn. Maybe that could be added to the docs? Thanks for the help! Cheers, Gerald

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Multi-domain oddities in Hyperkitty and Postorius

by Jeremy Stanley

On 2023-02-15 18:35:35 -0800 (-0800), Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/15/23 07:52, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > > > > Thanks, I'm still doing my best to wrap my brain around how Django > > uses database migrations to create sites (seems like a very strange > > use of a migration, I'm only accustomed to seeing them applied for > > database schema updates). > > I don't think it does. There are a couple of migrations at > django/contrib/sites/migrations, but these are only the initial creation of > the model and an update to make the domain field unique. > > Why do you think it creates sites in this way. [...] Clearly a total misreading on my part of the Django documentation to which you referred earlier. It talks about having to feed Django multiple settings.py files with different SITE_ID values and running migrate to configure them, then links to the document on migrations which starts out explaining how to use makemigrations to create them. I took that to mean creating and configuring Django sites from the command line required supplying customized database migrations. The particularly misleading bits are where it says: "To set the correct name and domain for your project, you can use a data migration." "In order to serve different sites in production, you’d create a separate settings file with each SITE_ID" It doesn't seem to talk about using django_admin at all (or if it does, it's not mentioned by name, maybe assuming the reader knows to use it in order to perform the necessary steps). Thanks for the clear examples! If these are available somewhere in Django's documentation, I did a terrible job of searching for them. > you need to create a domain in Postorius. Look at the code behind > Postorius add new domain. Or you can create the domain in core via > REST, but you then have to modify it in Postorius to associate the > correct site. [...] Much appreciated, this was the other bit that was non-obvious to me. I guess you're saying Postorius's view of domains is independent from what's in Mailman Core, and there's no documented CLI/API for manipulating that in Postorius so I'll need to write one based on a reverse-engineering of its source code? Sounds doable now that I know where to look. Thanks again! -- Jeremy Stanley

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Clearing webserver cache - Nginx

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 9:34 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 8/5/24 10:30, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > > > > Actually, what I mean is that CF is proxying requests to the host named > > m3-lists.kictanet.or.ke. > > I do not have any configuration other than DNS proxying at CF. > > ``` > dig a mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke > ... > mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke. 300 IN A 172.67.167.73 > mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke. 300 IN A 104.21.11.217 > ``` > Both of those are cloudflare IPs, and why 2? > Yes, those are Cloudflare IPs and I don't know why 2! All I know is that in DNS, I created an A record for the hostname and chose the "proxy" option in the cloudflare DNS management interface. > > So when you talk to m3-lists.kictanet.or.ke via a browser, it's CF IP > who you talk to and it in turn talks to the host directly. > > And how is that configured? > You add the domain - kictanet.or.ke to CF's control panel. They give you TWO name servers. You substitute the NSes your registrar gave to your domain for those two. Subsequently you create A|CNAME|MX\TXT records on the CF's control panel. You decide whether an A or CNAME record you create is proxy-ed or not. If you proxy the record, no one will ever get to know its real IP, but if you don't proxy, then the dig tool above will tell you the real IP address. > So the IP address you see in the logs is CF's IP address, not yours, not > > mine and CF are doing some caching. That's why > > they are requesting for expired files. > > > Why is cloudfare trying to > access /opt/mailman/mm/static/CACHE/css/output.6dab123e4897.css locally if > all it is doing is proxying the request to the actual mailman server? > I don't know. However, those IPs you see in the Nginx logs, none belong to me! I have two possible IPs - one domiciled in KE and another domiciled in the US (when I use VPN). -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Fresh installation mailman3-suite via "pipx" - any experiences yet?

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > > On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 4:43 PM Wikinaut <mail(a)tgries.de> wrote: > > > >> I recently found the "pipx" wrapper very useful and wanted to > >> ask you if this could be facilitate the fresh installation of > >> the mailman3-suite. Has anyone in the list already experiences > >> installing mailman and mailmanweg through "pipx"? > pipx apparently does create virtual environments. See > https://pipx.pypa.io/stable/comparisons/ > > The thing there that concerns me is "pipx replaces a subset of > pip's functionality; it lets you install cli applications but NOT > libraries that you import in your code." > > What does this say about the multiple dependencies that we install. I'm pretty sure it will install dependencies. I think (everything I say below is based on reading the README.md from pipx's pypa.io repo, so caveat installer) that the complexity that will arise is that (for example) a naive approach like $ pipx install mailman $ pipx install mailmanweb $ pipx install postorius $ pipx install hyperkitty will create 4 separate venvs with 3 copies of mailmanclient, 3 copies of django-mailman3, and two copies of Django. Besides the space waste, there's also the small problem that mailmanweb won't have copies of postorius and hyperkitty in its venv. :-þ pipx has an "inject" command that allows adding other packages to a venv, but I think this means that pipx has no great advantage over the standard way of installing mailman into a venv. pipx also installs stuff into the user's $HOME, specifically into ~/.local/share/pipx/venvs which I think will be kind of annoying if you need to dig into package resources. (I expect that you will still install configs into /etc/mailman3 and various data into /var/lib/mailman3/var or /opt/mailman3 or whatever without a problem.) This would only be an issue for heavy-duty customizers. This can probably be customized. One of the big advantages pipx touts is "look ma, no sudo". That's not really an advantage for system daemons, though. So bottom line is you can do it, but you'll need to study up on pipx arcana, because Mailman is a bunch of daemon it buys you very little, and the result won't look like any Mailman installation you've seen described on mailman-users or StackExchange. Steve

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing Mailman3 under a Python Virtual environment running on RHEL9

by Wild Coast

On 2024/05/22 18:25, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 5/22/24 11:31 AM, Andy Macheta wrote: >> Hi Mark, >> >> Thanks; yes those 4 steps were performed. >> It looks like all the web pages are displaying is just text; so >> there's no background (apart from white) and no icons or >> graphics....almost like CCS is not being recognized perhaps. > > > If pages are not styled and you have run the collectstatic and > compress jobs, the most likely cause is your web server not finding > the static/ directory. See > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#apache-configur… > and check your Apache logs for 404s > I had the same issue with the reverse proxy. Here's my final working Debian apache2 virtualhost file: jeff@maya:~$ cat /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/holeinthewall.conf <VirtualHost *:80> ServerName lists.holeinthewall.org.za ServerAlias mail.holeinthewall.org.za # Redirect all HTTP traffic to HTTPS RewriteEngine On RewriteCond %{HTTPS} off RewriteRule (.*) https://%{SERVER_NAME}$1 [R=301,L] </VirtualHost> <VirtualHost *:443> ServerAdmin webmaster(a)holeinthewall.org.za ServerName lists.holeinthewall.org.za # Enable SSL/TLS SSLCertificateFile /etc/letsencrypt/live/holeinthewall.org.za/fullchain.pem SSLCertificateKeyFile /etc/letsencrypt/live/holeinthewall.org.za/privkey.pem Include /etc/letsencrypt/options-ssl-apache.conf # Enable SSL proxying SSLProxyEngine On SSLProxyVerify None SSLProxyCheckPeerCN Off SSLProxyCheckPeerName Off SSLProxyCheckPeerExpire Off # Preserve the Host header ProxyPreserveHost On # Correct the domain in the Set-Cookie header from 127.0.0.1 to lists.holeinthewall.org.za ProxyPassReverseCookieDomain 127.0.0.1 lists.holeinthewall.org.za # Serve static content directly from the filesystem DocumentRoot /opt/mailman/web/static Alias /static "/opt/mailman/web/static" <Directory "/opt/mailman/web/static"> Require all granted </Directory> # Proxy configuration <Proxy *> Require all granted </Proxy> # Ensure X-Forwarded-Proto is set correctly RequestHeader set X-Forwarded-Proto expr=%{REQUEST_SCHEME} # ProxyPass configuration for specific paths ProxyPass /static ! ProxyPass / http://127.0.0.1:8000/ ProxyPassReverse / http://127.0.0.1:8000/ ProxyPass "/mailman3" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/mailman3" ProxyPass "/archives" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives" ProxyPass "/accounts" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/accounts" ProxyPass "/admin" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/admin" ProxyPass "/user-profile" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/user-profile" # Logging ErrorLog /var/log/apache2/holeinthewall_error.log CustomLog /var/log/apache2/holeinthewall_access.log combined </VirtualHost> HTH -- Kind regards, Jeff Brown WildCoast WebWorx m: +27 74 101 5170 <tel:+27%2074%20101%205170> v: +27 87 550 1210 <tel:+27%2087%20550%201210> a: Hole in the Wall, South Africa w: www.wildcoast.com <http://www.wildcoast.com/> e: webmaster(a)wildcoast.com ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: homcljipmaiefjea.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

2 years, 2 months

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