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[MM3-users] Re: Spam sent to list owner causes bounce increment for list owner

by Allan Hansen

Hi Mark, Thank you for the explanation, and it all makes sense. I prefer your verp_probes solution, as I do prefer to have my list work concentrated in one place. I did have 5 bounces on the list - I guess a lot of spam is happening due to the holidays. I noticed a big uptick myself. Thanks again, Allan > On Dec 18, 2023, at 10:30, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 12/18/23 9:59 AM, Allan Hansen wrote: >> Hi all, >> Someone sent a spam message to the list owner (me) of one of my lists. Then I got booted from the list. >> The scenario in more detail: >> The list server forwards the message to me, as I’m the list owner. This message is sent from <list>-bounces+hansen=rc.org(a)list.rc.org to hansen(a)rc.org. >> My service provider’s spam filter rejects the spam (correctly) in a message and informs the list server. >> The list server sends a message to <list>-bounces+hansen=rc.org(a)list.rc.org (the fake sender) saying that the message to hansen(a)rc.org (the recipient) could not be delivered because it was spam. >> The list server also blames hansen(a)rc.org (me) for the bounce and increments my bounce score, which, to me, is unfair. >> So I wonder: >> Is the Mailman host at list.rc.org at fault for not catching the spam before it reaches the list server? (One could argue that) > > Depends on what kind of spam filtering if any you have on incoming mail to list.rc.org. > >> Is my rc.org service provider at fault for sending the bounce message to the server instead of the to the original sender? > > Absolutely not. The envelope sender of the mail was set by Mailman to <list>-bounces+hansen=rc.org(a)list.rc.org in order to enable automated bounce processing. rc.org correctly sent the bounce to the envelope sender. > >> Is Mailman at fault for thinking that the bounce message was caused by a list message FROM me, instead of a bounced message TO the list owner? > > Arguably, yes, but not based on FROM. FROM has nothing to do with it. The message was sent TO you so if it bounces, it is a message to you that bounced, so you are the one bouncing this message. All Mailman knows is a message was sent to you and it bounced so it's your address that is bouncing. It doesn't matter whether this was a post to the list that bounced or a message to <list>-owner. A bounce is a bounce. > > Note that this list's bounce processing is very aggressive. If you got removed from the list after one bounce, the list must have Bounce score threshold = 1 and Bounce disable warnings = 0. You might consider adjusting these. > > There is an easy fix for this. Set `verp_probes: yes` in mailman.cfg. Then when your bounce score reaches threshold, instead of disabling/removing you, Mailman will send a probe message to you. It will only disable/remove you if the probe bounces which it presumably won't. > > Another avoidance would be to use an address for the owner which is not the address of a member. Then if the owner address bounces, nothing is done because the bouncing address isn't a list member. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to hansen(a)rc.org

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: integrating mm3 with postfix / lmtp

by Fabian A. Santiago

On October 25, 2017 7:53:39 PM EDT, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: >On 10/25/2017 01:08 PM, Fabian A. Santiago wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I have mm3 up and running via docker (courtesy of >maxking/docker-mailman) but when i send an email to my test list, it >bounces back claiming user unknown. it states: >> >> <"lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024"@>: unknown user: >> "lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024" >> >> looking at the email source, it seems as though the message is trying >to be delivered to: >> >> Final-Recipient: rfc822; "lmtp:[172.19.199.2]:8024"@<my email >server's FQDN> >> Original-Recipient: rfc822;test123@<my list's email domain> >> >> all of various alias transport maps are defined in postfix's main.cf. >not sure where to go from here. does anyone have any clues? > > >For the docker image, the tables have to be defined in Postfix as >regexp: tables. Are they? Yes they are. -- Thanks, Fabian S. OpenPGP: 3C3FA072ACCB7AC5DB0F723455502B0EEB9070FC

8 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Weblate spanish translation of templates (was: Re: spanish localization)

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

On 18/2/21 11:22, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: > I want to contribute making it via Weblate, since it is already done > via gitlab repository (thanks to Mark Sapiro for approving the merge > requests), making a revision and editing them if needed, but I cannot > see how to make it in a consistent way, as I cannot determine how to > edit each template in the Weblate UI. I've tried to access via the > file name (accessing via msgid as for your example) of the > template... but I cannot access them by this way, or I'm missing > something. >> >> Can you, please, point me in the right direction on how to do it? > > Forget this, I've just found how to do it. Selecting by "key/context" > and the name of the file seems to do the trick. Done. Now the Weblate translation of templates is consistent with the gitlab src repository.

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty

by Onyeibo

On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 14:43:54 -0800 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 1/30/23 13:17, Onyeibo wrote: > > > > The mails don't have that header. I suspect I may have to > > investigate SELinux. > > > I think it's unlikely a SELinux issue unless you mean it's an issue > writing the log, but if there are any entries at all in mailman.log, > that should be OK. > YES. There were entries in the log. They are good entries. There were no alarming entries. I was right. Selinux was preventing Python {name connect} to a mailman path. After resolving that, all Archives built/updated. Now I see entries in the log about receiving mails and archiving them. I also see the archived messages via Hyperkitty web interface. Super! However, I no longer receive my own message to the list. That was working before. The post arrives at the List and gets archived but I don't see it via my mail client -- looks like Mailman is now recieving but not posting back to the subscriber. Strange

3 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Python 3.13 compatibility

by Thomas Krichel

Mark Sapiro writes > If you do that and it results in a working system, you can then patch > mailman/utilities/i18n.py as follows Thank you. This works, and I can successfully import a first list configuration. > However there are other incompatibilities between the released Mailman > versions and Python 3.13. Hmm https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html states "3.13 is recommended as it is the latest version of Python with which Mailman is tested." > At the moment, until updated packages are > released, in a Python 3.13 environment it is best to install all of mailman, > django-mailman3, postorius, hyperkitty and mailman-web from the heads of the > gitlab branches. I would love to see a command line for that. When I go to the gitlab page, https://gitlab.com/mailman/, I see a bunch of project that don't immediately correspond to pip package names. I am sure this would help other folks using 3.13 as they have been recommended to do. Thanks and cheers! -- Written by Thomas Krichel http://openlib.org/home/krichel on his 22213th day.

2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Archiver "prototype" and disabling archiving at all

by Torge Riedel

Am 24.03.19 um 16:49 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 3/24/19 5:40 AM, Torge Riedel wrote: >> in the settings of a mailing list I can choose two archivers: >> "Hyperkitty" and "prototype". What is this archive "prototype" and how >> can I disable/remove/deinstall it? And how can I disable archiving at >> all, so no archiver can be chosen in the settings. > > The prototype archiver stores messages individually in > var/archives/prototype/LIST_NAME/. > > You can disable the prototype archiver by putting > > [archiver.prototype] > enable: no > > in your mailman.cfg. To disable all archiving, just remove all the > [archiver.*] sections from your mailman.cfg or set them to 'enable: no' > > Hi Mark, thanks. This disabled the archivers, but there is still the "Archives" link on top of the page. Is it possible to remove it? Cause there is nothing to see there. I tried commenting "'hyperkitty'," in INSTALLED_APPS, but then I got a 500.

7 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Remove old bounces in bouncedir

by Stephan Krinetzki

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 3/10/22 00:31, Stephan Krinetzki wrote: > > Mark Sapiro wrote: > > If you are referring to messages in Mailman's bounces queue, if these > > are not processed and removed within 15 minutes of arrival, Mailman's > > bounce runner is not running. > > Well, it is the queue.Our var directory is under /opt/mailman/var and the /opt/mailman/var/queue/bounces is over 8GB big. There are *.pck messages and some of them are very old (>3 Years). The bounce seems to be running: > > Mar 10 09:24:53 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. > > Mar 10 09:25:00 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. > > Mar 10 09:25:06 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. > > Mar 10 09:25:12 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. > > Mar 10 09:25:18 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. > > Mar 10 09:25:24 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. > > Mar 10 09:25:30 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. > > Mar 10 09:25:36 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. > > Mar 10 09:25:43 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. > > Mar 10 09:25:49 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. > > > > The process it self is there > > mailman 376 99.4 19.1 6578312 6279000 ? R 09:17 10:52 venv/bin/python3 venv/bin/runner -C mailman.cfg --runner=bounces:0:1 > > > > I don't understand what's happening. If the bounces runner is processing > it's queue, those .pck files should be processed and deleted. > Are there errors in /opt/mailman/var/logs/mailman? Nope. Only the daily info, that it runs. For today: Mar 14 03:15:34 2022 (21507) Task runner evicted 25336 expired pendings Mar 14 03:15:43 2022 (21507) Task runner deleted 3696 orphaned workflows Mar 14 03:16:09 2022 (21507) Task runner deleted 7965 orphaned requests Seems to be okay > If you examine (some of) those files with mailman qfile do you see > anything strange? Nope. Just regular Bounce Files. > Is there an ownership/permissions issue? Sometimes people run Mailman or > some Mailman command as root and things get owned by root and then > when Mailman is later run as mailman it can't delete or maybe even > read them. Nope: /opt/mailman/var/queue/bounces ls -altrh | head total 12G -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 37K Jan 5 09:51 1641372708.3212914+fc901998d5e2ace166db31ace6d77081b0c7650c.pck -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 42K Jan 5 09:52 1641372768.1659493+7afbcddc270547485732252874adcc27e04c9983.pck -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 42K Jan 5 09:52 1641372768.2633681+73c527870449492689fd30502b73f455a191701e.pck -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 7.7K Jan 5 09:58 1641373138.119037+2d5dd400e989db3303517b900d7f2b312d4cd7b5.pck -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 7.7K Jan 5 09:58 1641373139.585048+ee824dec757735ef8bd8139ee0cd858cc7c92606.pck -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 288K Jan 5 09:58 1641373139.846666+d75af26011eb1a8ef5673d9ee13c5425daec2bd4.pck -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 288K Jan 5 09:59 1641373140.024808+be60d1d97590d77eaec46751524d1bfe7a2f9ee7.pck -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 289K Jan 5 09:59 1641373140.8432257+678f545d176008a5483b8bc6747aebc2b84a7f4e.pck -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 288K Jan 5 09:59 1641373141.505824+c253072ebeb3f07b2b455725ace225abdd621b22.pck As you can see, there are old messages (not 3 years old, but some months old) > > If you are referring to bounce messages in the message store > > (var/messages/), there have been issues with those not being removed, > > but Mailman core >= 3.3.5 should clean those up. > > SInce the messages are hashed or otherwise stored, i can't verify or deny this. > > Is the size of the /opt/mailman/var/messages directory very big? Nope, it's 1.9GB at the moment. I don't think that's big. Is there anyway to run the bounce runner manually and get the debug output of it?

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Another interesting error...

by Darren Smith

"It's in Mailman's database in the 'message' table." I can see the message table - is there a way to see where it is marked as "held"? All I'm seeing in that table is id, message_id, message_id_hash, and path. I'm wanting to be able to query for held messages for a given mailing list, as there are currently over 98,000 entries in the message table. -Darren On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 3:17 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 04/23/2018 01:31 PM, Darren Smith wrote: > > So it appears that there was a message sent to one of our mailing lists > > that was put into the held message queue. However, when attempting to go > to > > the message to do the moderation, the web page returns and Error 500. > > > > Looking in the mailman log, I found this: > > > > Apr 23 14:21:02 2018 (17878) REST request handler error: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/wsgiref/handlers.py", line > 137, > > in run > > self.result = application(self.environ, self.start_response) > > File > > "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/ > mailman/database/transac > > tion.py", line 50, in wrapper > > rtn = function(*args, **kws) > > File > > "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/ > mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py" > > , line 214, in __call__ > > return super().__call__(environ, start_response) > > File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/falcon/api.py", > > line 227 , in __call__ > > responder(req, resp, **params) > > File > > "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/ > mailman/rest/post_modera > > tion.py", line 167, in on_get > > resource = self._make_collection(request) > > File > > "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/ > mailman/rest/helpers.py" > > , line 159, in _make_collection > > for resource in collection] > > File > > "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/ > mailman/rest/helpers.py" > > , line 159, in <listcomp> > > for resource in collection] > > File > > "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/ > mailman/rest/post_modera > > tion.py", line 157, in _resource_as_dict > > resource = self._make_resource(request.id) > > File > > "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/ > mailman/rest/post_modera > > tion.py", line 100, in _make_resource > > make_header(decode_header(resource['subject']))) > > File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/email/header.py", line 174, in > > make_he ader > > h.append(s, charset) > > File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/email/header.py", line 295, in > > append > > s = s.decode(input_charset, errors) > > UnicodeDecodeError: 'gb2312' codec can't decode byte 0x87 in position 2: > > illegal multibyte sequence > > > > It LOOKS as if there might be a character in the email somewhere - > possibly > > in the subject or sender fields? - that is somehow unexpected. > > > It appears that the Subject: header is RFC 2047 encoded and there is an > encoded word with charset gb2312 that contains an invalid encoding. > > The message is apparently defective, but this kind of defect shouldn't > cause a 500 error. > > I can't tell for sure from the traceback if this is Postorius or some > other application accessing the REST api. Is it Postorius or something > else? > > > > I am attempting to find the held message - can someone point me where I > can > > go to see the message so that I can see what might be causing the > problem? > > > It's in Mailman's database in the 'message' table. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

8 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Topics - Tags

by Mark

On 2024-03-23 06:36, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 3/21/24 21:10, Mark wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm reading the docs on "Message tagging" >> (https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/handlers/d…) >> as saying shell access is needed to: (a) enable topics, and (b) write >> the keywords. >> >> In Mailman 2 there is an Admin web UI for "Topics". Is there such a >> web UI that can be enabled in Mailman 3 so that the list owners can >> create topics (tags) in their lists? > > > At this point, topics are not exposed in REST. Managing them via > Postorius first requires updating the REST API to read and set the > topic attributes and then updating Postorius to display/set them. > > Further, there is currently no implementation for list member topics > of interest either in Mailman core or the REST API. I.e., there is no > way for a list member to indicate topics of interest. > Thank you for this information Mark. Best, Mark

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Apple Mail encoding again

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 4/20/22 07:54, Rainer Herbst wrote: > > The user suggested that the problem is caused by a line containing only > > "-- " somewhere in the text, but I can not confirm this. This is very unlikely. A very large portion of the mail processed at Mailman sites has "-- " in it because that is the conventional "start of .signature" marker, and much of that is multipart and even signed nowadays, yet we've never seen a problem with it. > > Please find enclosed the refused mail (anonymized). > > That message has no defects. In particular, it has no Content-Transfer-Encoding in the header of any multipart part, which is the defect reported before. I guess there's no list of defects either in the returned message or in the MTA logs? It seems strange that the message has no Received headers. Is this normal for aip.de address to aip.de address mail? Or is it a sent file copy of the sender or something like that? Steve

4 years, 1 month

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