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attempted upgrade failed. restored backup. now inoperable. why?

by Christian

Attempted upgrade on Debian 10 to Mailman3.3 went badly. Prior to attempted upgrade system was working but with incremental unsubscribes due to erroneous bounces upping subscribers scores. Restored from backup. System now not working. Postorius webpage says "Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core." Mailman will not start. Command line thread is as follows: root@lists:~# systemctl start mailman Job for mailman.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status mailman.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details. root@lists:~# systemctl status mailman.service ● mailman.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/mailman.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Sat 2023-12-23 09:01:41 PST; 5min ago Process: 3773 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=2) Dec 23 09:01:41 lists.ccalternatives.org systemd[1]: Starting GNU Mailing List Manager... Dec 23 09:01:41 lists.ccalternatives.org mailman[3773]: Usage: mailman start [OPTIONS] Dec 23 09:01:41 lists.ccalternatives.org mailman[3773]: Try 'mailman start -h' for help. Dec 23 09:01:41 lists.ccalternatives.org mailman[3773]: Error: A previous run of GNU Mailman did not exit cleanly (host_mismatch). Try using --force Dec 23 09:01:41 lists.ccalternatives.org systemd[1]: mailman.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=2/INVALIDARGUMENT Dec 23 09:01:41 lists.ccalternatives.org systemd[1]: mailman.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. Dec 23 09:01:41 lists.ccalternatives.org systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. root@lists:~# Please help. Thank you!

2 years, 9 months

Re: Execute assorted Mailman functions via Mailman shell terminal

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/13/25 12:40, Andy Matthews wrote: > When my company migrated from MM2 to MM3, they discovered there were things that didn't work as expected (don't get me started). So they developed a set of Python functions which allowed then to fill in the missing functionality. However, they've discovered that some of those functions either never worked properly, or no longer work. For example, > > ``` > def list_nonmembers(mlist): > for accepted in mlist.accept_these_nonmembers: > print("Accepted: ",accepted) > for held in mlist.hold_these_nonmembers: > print("Held: ",held) > ``` > They're run by shelling into the machine which hosts mailman and executed like so (where scripts is `scripts.py`) > > ``` > sudo -iu mailman mailman shell -l MAILING_LIST_ID --run scripts.list_nonmembers > ``` That should work. What happens when you run it? Possibly it prints nothing because the list's accept_these_nonmembers and hold_these_nonmembers attributes are empty. > I'm recommending that we install Postorius, as I suspect many of the functions they've written are already present in that UI, but it's not as simple as that. Instead they're wanting a handful of these functions (including the one listed above) replaced sooner than we could get Postorius up and running. > > I've gotten this far: > ``` > from mailman.interfaces.listmanager import IListManager > from zope.component import getUtility > mylist_id = 'bravo-open1(a)tena-sda.org' > list_manager = getUtility(IListManager) > mylist = list_manager.get(mylist_id) > ``` > > The mylist variable is of type `mailman.model.mailinglist.MailingList`, and includes an Attributes for nonmembers: > ``` > mylist.nonmembers > <mailman.model.roster.NonmemberRoster object at 0x7ffffa3e65b0> > ``` > > But this nonmembers property doesn't output any users/addresses when printed, and throws a TypeError when I try to iterate over it: First of all I think there may be some confusion between the list's nonmembers and the *_these_nonmembers attributes. *_these_nonmembers are legacy attributes which exist to support `^...` regexps and `@list_id` entries, but the preferred way to accept, hold, reject or discard individual nonmembers is to set the nonmember's moderation action. > ``` > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "<console>", line 1, in <module> > TypeError: 'NonmemberRoster' object is not iterable > ``` You need to iterate over mylist.nonmembers.members, i.e. the roster's members, not the roster. > So, given a mailing list instance, retrieved via `list_manager.get(mylist_id)`, how would I go about printing all nonmembers and their current roles in a list (held, accepted, etc.)? Alternately, is there a different question I should be asking in order to retrieve that information? It's not roles as you've already limited the role to nonmember. It's moderation_action. ``` for nonmember in mylist.nonmembers.members: print(f'Nonmember: {nonmember.address.email},' f' moderation_action: {nonmember.moderation_action}') ``` Note that moderation_action: None means list default. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 4 months

Re: There are currently no mailing lists!?

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/22/24 11:05, Christian via Mailman-users wrote: > I recently upgraded Debian 10 'buster' and when I logged in to Postorius in > the browser I got the ' Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman > core' message. So I started it up from the command line doing 'sudo -u > mailman /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/mailman start -f' which yielded > > Starting Mailman's master runner > Generating MTA alias maps > mailman@lists: > > Now when I do ' https://lists.ccalternatives.org/mailman3/lists/?all-lists' > in my browser I get the message ' There are currently no mailing lists.' > Meanwhile their archives exist. Are the lists actually gone or ? I suspect the lists are not gone. I suspect mailman core is not using the correct database. I also note you started mailman core with sudo -u mailman /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/mailman start -f Are you using the Debian packages or did you install Mailman following https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html Assuming the latter, what do the following show? sudo -u mailman /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/mailman lists sudo -u mailman /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/mailman info In particular does `mailman info` report the correct path to mailman.cfg and the appropriate database? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 1 month

Re: Unable to update templates

by Mark

>> I have jumped the gun on thinking that the template as a file was >> working. It's not. It's the same story: the initial file template is >> good, but it's for sure getting cached somewhere, and an updated file >> is ignored. The same as when the template was being drawn from the >> database. > Are you just updating the file > /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/testlist.example.com/en/list:user:notice:welcome.txt > with nothing in Postorius and either no entry at all in the > mailman.template table with > > name = 'list:user:notice:welcome' > context = 'testlist.example.com' > > or if there is such an entry, with > > uri = > 'file:///opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/testlist.example.com/en/list:use…' > > If so, editing the file > /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/testlist.example.com/en/list:user:notice:welcome.txt > should work. Progress! It now works if the template information is removed from BOTH database tables (mailmanweb.postorius_emailtemplate and mailman.templates). Just removing the row from the "mailmanweb.postorius_emailtemplate" table and changing the URI to "file:///opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/testlist.example.com/en/list:use…" in mailman.templates didn't help. So now, with both databases cleared, mailman looks for the updated file without any problems. Thank you very much Mark, once again, for your solid advice and patience. Best, Mark

1 year, 3 months

Re: bounce_score_threshold control

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/24/23 08:08, Tibor Molnar wrote: > > I have recently started receiving these mails from the system. First it was frighting me out that people's account got disabled, but actually nothing has happened, nobody got disabled. I however looking to figure out how can I control or change settings for this particular mechanism. Please advise me. > > emailname(a)example.it's subscription has been disabled on listname(a)domain.eu due to their bounce score > exceeding the mailing list's bounce_score_threshold. I'm not sure what you are looking at, but when you receive that message, it means the user's Delivery status has been set to Disabled by Bounces and the user will be sent `Bounce disable warnings` (default 3) warnings at intervals of `Bounce disabled warnings interval` (default 7 days) and if nothing is done the user will then be removed from the list. The notice you received, at least since Mailman 3.3.5, should contain a copy of the bounce DSN so you can determine if this user's address is actually undeliverable. Settings that control this are in the Postorius admin UI under Bounce Processing. The only other control is in mailman.cfg in the [mta] section where you can set `verp_probes: yes` See the docs at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/build/lib/mailman/mode… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 7 months

Re: Importing users and mas settings "Moderation Action"

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/19/22 06:17, bob B via Mailman-users wrote: > I imported email lists and users to version 3 from version 2. One of my lists all the users are set to 'Hold for moderation" for "Moderation Action". I assume this is because they were set to moderation on mailman 2? Correct. > But if I mass subscribe users via the Gui in mailman 3 then their default "Moderation Action" is set to "none" so I assume it follows list default, is that a correct assumption? Yes. > I believe there is no way to import mass users and set their "Moderation Action" at the same time is this correct? Wasn't that possible in mailman 2? That's correct, and that was also the case in Mailman 2.1 . > is there a way to change all their user's "Moderation Action" for a list in bulk? You could do it with `mailman shell`, but not in Postorius. > So it looks like for any users I mass subscribe, "Moderation Action" will be set to "none" and if I want to change that I have to do it manually for each user? If you are a list owner whose only access is via Postorius, that's correct. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 4 months

Re: Mailman 3 installation, no mails in hyperkitty, unable to add footer.

by Ugnius

Mark, Thank You for your guidance. Yes, seems my installed mailman3 package is not full. I have tried to install it on my Debian 9, but I got package broken error and all possible proposals how to fix it did not help. But it is normal - official OS version 9 has no this package included. Then I have decided to play on another machine where is installed Debian 10. I have successfully installed mailman3-full. It already came pre-configured with keys included. Mailman3-web packige was something new for me. I understand it replaces mailman- suite, but like I did not find where to read about it, I did not find how to open the administration or postorius site. Kind regards Ugnius > On 23 Aug 2019, at 23:18, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> On 8/23/19 12:17 PM, Ugnius S wrote: >> >> It would be good to read about working example how to setup, and which >> moments are important. > > > See <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience>. > > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

7 years, 1 month

Re: templates

by Odhiambo Washington

Isn't that the same thing as not having them in the FS? I read (and asked questions about) templates almost 10x before I got to understand the locations and how MM uses them. It's not easy to understand the ones in the FS while the ones in the DB are easy. Then again, one needs to know that Postorius only writes to the DB. On Thu, May 4, 2023, 22:59 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 5/4/23 12:44, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > If you don't have any templates in the file system and none in the DB > > table, then you must go to Jerusalem and pray, because you don't have any > > and nothing will work the way you want. > > It's either or! > > > He didn't say he didn't have templates in the file system. He said he > didn't have any custom templates in Mailman's var/templates/lists/ > directory. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to odhiambo(a)gmail.com >

3 years, 4 months

Re: Mailmanweb RAM Usage

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users writes: > On Sat, Oct 11, 2025 at 5:10?PM Stephen J. Turnbull <steve(a)turnbull.jp> > wrote: > > Do you mean only HyperKitty + Postorius? That seems like a lot. > Yes, just Hyperkitty+Postorius: Please see > https://imgur.com/a/LPAY69N It represents what I see daily when I > run btop. It's always around 2GB, but rarely do I see above. I > only have 1 major active mailing list on this server. There are > other inactive ones. I'm not sure what's going on. I'm pretty sure you would save up to 1.5GB by switching to gunicorn vs the uwsgi configuration you have. But the uswgi project has acquired functionality the way systemd has over the last few years. It seems likely that you could configure it to save a lot of memory by removing functionality you don't use. Not sure whether than involves recompiling or just disabling unused plugins, I'm not really familiar with uwsgi, since even for the largest instances I've seen gunicorn is sufficiently performant and secure. The MySQL footprint also seems a bit high. but not insane, my PostgreSQL weighs in at about 1.2GB-1.5GB. Overall, you don't have an insane configuration, but it depends on what you're optimizing for. -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

11 months, 2 weeks

Re: including a template failed

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/23/20 3:03 PM, Wolfgang Bock via Mailman-users wrote: > > Dear Mark, > > Q: Can you get > https://webmail.domain-02.de/mailman3/postorius/api/templates/list/mylist.li > sts.domain-03.de/list:member:regular:footer on the Mailman machine? > > A: No > > Q: What is your setting for POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL? > > A: > was: POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://localhost/mailman3/' > > Changed it to: POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://localhost/mailman3/' Can you get https://localhost/mailman3/postorius/api/templates/list/mylist.lists.domain… on the Mailman machine? > Now another problem occurs: > > Sep 23 22:51:34 2020 (13492) Cannot connect to SMTP server localhost on port > 25 > HTTPSConnectionPool ... 'localhost' doesn't match either of > 'blog.domain-04.de', 'lists.domain-04.de', 'mail.domain-04.de', > 'domain-04.de', 'www.domain-04.de'"))) The 'HTTPSConnectionPool' message has nothing to do with the 'Cannot connect' issue. > Port 25 entry results from the manual regarding the postfix configuration: > > https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.ht > ml > > e.g.: > [mta] > incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP > outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver > lmtp_host: mail.example.com > lmtp_port: 8024 > smtp_host: mail.example.com > smtp_port: 25 And I wonder why it's trying to connect to localhost when smtp_host is mail.example.com. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years

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