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[MM3-users] Re: Clearing webserver cache - Nginx

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/16/24 7:58 AM, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > > Right now I am using apache2, but I am seeing something odd: > https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/ is empty. Is this normal? No, it should be similar to https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/ > So I am left wondering why nginx is prefixing "usr/share/nginx/html" to > /static. Do you have ``` location /static/ { alias /opt/mailman/web/static/; } ``` in your nginx config? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Archive not updated

by mailman3＠escapade.ch

Hi All, Env: Debian bookworm debian pkg mailman 3.3.8-2~deb12u2 Status I moved from MM2 to MM3 Import of the archives worked, no issue problem: current emails sent to the list are not being archived. What have I done: - based on the list here I've checked different settings in the cfg files - looked for errors in the log What else can I do to solve this problem ? Many thanks in advance for your help. Manny

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Trying to understand the mailman.cfg from the virtualenv installation guide

by unite42＠disroot.org

Hello, I'm trying to install Mailman3 following the Virtualenv Installation guide. I would like to understand why the configurations in the displayed mailman.cfg are recommended. Especially the following two: [archiver.prototype] enable: yes "The prototype archiver stores messages individually in var/archives/prototype/LIST_NAME/." https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… Do I need this, when using hyperkitty? Is this a fail-safe recommendation? [mta] verp_confirmations: yes verp_personalized_deliveries: yes verp_delivery_interval: 1 What is the background of these recommendations? Thank you for your help! Greetings unite42

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to tell which lists on my server are being used?

by bryan.kartzman＠yu.edu

Thank you. That is just what I needed. Do you know if there is a way using the database to see how many posts a list has received (for all time or even for a specific time interval)?

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to remove Held Unsubscriptions

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/9/24 12:14, lowell(a)fas.harvard.edu wrote: > Hello, everyone. > > I'm having the same issue. We're Postorius Version 1.3.4.1. Which is three and a half years old. > I have no idea of how to use a shell or REST API. I update things via the web. If you can't upgrade to Postorius >= 1.3.5, see https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… which describes the `mailman shell` interaction required to do this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Configure new list via REST API - trying to add moderators

by Andy Matthews

One quick follow up. I'm making a subscribe request for a moderator. I'm passing in list_id, subscriber, and role (moderator). The request is returning a 201 response, but when I shell into the mailman server and inspect the list directly it shows there are no moderators. I've confirmed the list id, and I can see a list of regular members, but when I use the command line, the only version of the query which shows members is the default: `mailman members <list name>`. I assume I'm doing something wrong, but I'm not seeing it.

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Disabled by bounce

by Dan Caballero

Mark, Do you have any tips for scripting the setting changes via mailman shell -l somelist(a)caltech.edu or a python script to run. eg. mailman shell -r dmarcsettings.py? We have a number of lists that email Gmail addresses either directly or via aliases and virtual email domains using Google Workspace. Thanks as always. -- Dan Caballero Caltech

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Configure new list via REST API - trying to add moderators

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/12/24 06:08, Andy Matthews wrote: > Unfortunately no. What is different between what I show at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… and what you are doing? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Default values for lists in Mailman 3

by Markus Grandpré

Dear list, I would like to activate the invitation setting for all lists as default. In Mailman 2.1 I have done this in the file </etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py>: DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_OR_INVITE = Yes How can I do this in Mailman 3? Can I also transfer other default values like: ... DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en' DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 1 DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_OR_INVITE = Yes DEFAULT_PRIVATE_ROSTER = 2 DEFAULT_ARCHIVE = Off DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE = 1 ... from the very same configuration file to Mailman 3? Is there a documentation of the default values for lists in Mailman 3? Best regards, Markus Grandpré -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

1 year, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating from old V2 server to new V3 server. Questions.

by jkoral＠luc.edu

Mark, thank you for the quick reply. We will most likely need to migrate the lists over a period of time. So the DNS cannot be changed at the moment. Both servers have different FQDNs. Any suggestions on what we can do?

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Migrating from old V2 server to new V3 server. Questions.

by jkoral＠luc.edu

That makes sense. Are there instructions on how to do this? Then once we are done migrating to the new server, then we can just change the DNS, correct?

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: makemigrations --merge error after Debian upgrade

by Chupin Maxime

Mark Sapiro wrote: > Did you run this as the Mailman user (list in the Debian packages)? Thank you, I tried, but the system asked me a Password for this user... I do not understand. ``` sudo -u list mailman-web makemigrations --merge Password: ```

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: makemigrations --merge error after Debian upgrade

by Chupin Maxime

Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > The user executing sudo is yourself so enter your own password. > It's not the password for user "list" that is wanted. It's your own login > password. No, because I’m root and I can do : ``` root@machine: sudo -u list bash ``` and then ``` list@machine: mailman-web makemigrations --merge Password: ```

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: makemigrations --merge error after Debian upgrade

by Chupin Maxime

Another error message from the cron executions: ``` data-www@machine: /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py runjobs minutely /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_q/conf.py:139: UserWarning: Retry and timeout are misconfigured. Set retry larger than timeout, failure to do so will cause the tasks to be retriggered before completion. See https://django-q.readthedocs.io/en/latest/configure.html#retry for details. warn( ```

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: makemigrations --merge error after Debian upgrade

by Chupin Maxime

Thank you. So, using `mailman-web makemigrations --merge` as `root` is the right way to do it (as it call user `www-data`). Unfortunately, I get the error wrote in my first message: ``` PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_q/migrations/0015_merge_0010_auto_20220618_2315_0014_schedule_cluster.py' ```

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Should I try to install mailman3 on Kubuntu 20.04?

by Bill Oliver

I have been a happy camper running mailman3 on a vps I rent from a vendor, running CentOS 7. CentOS 7 is past end of life, so I moving over to a new machine running Kubuntu 20.04 LTS. I have been searching the intertubes and have seen a bunch of people having headaches trying it. So... Is Ubuntu 20.04 cool with mailman3? Should I go ahead and give it a shot or use a different distro? Should I do the apt install, the virtualenv install, or try the docker install? thanks billo

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: anomalous behavior

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/5/24 11:01, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > Is there anything relevant in mailman.log? Are there messages in > Mailman's shunt queue?. The fact that the message is archived means the > issue is either in mailman/handlers/to_outgoing.py or > mailman/runners/outgoing.py Do you have any custom list:member:regular:header or list:member:regular:footer template for this list. If so, there may be an issue with the template or with access to it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Upgrade docker-mailman to v0.5.2

by Christopher

Hi Abhilash, I checkout the v0.5.2 for testing my upgrade from 0.4.6 and noticed, that the docker-image-version is still set to 0.4 in docker-compose.yaml. Is there any reason for it or should it be set to 0.5? I´m still using my good old mariadb. I did not find any upgrade-informations about breaking-changes. Do you have any experience with migrating from 0.4.6 to 0.5.2 on mariadb? Best regards Chrclaus

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Search function returning results from another list

by Marco van Tol

Hi there, We have several lists on our list server here, and noticed that if we do this: - go to the archive of public list x - type in "minutes" in the search bar If will: - show a screen: list-x search results for query "minutes" - have 3 results in there for another private list - show a message that you need to login to view the message if you click on one Our current mailman core version is: 3.3.9 Our current hyperkitty version is: 1.3.10 Our index engine is: xapian_backend.XapianEngine Does this make sense? Thanks! Marco van Tol RIPE NCC

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] max_day_to_hold - when in force?

by Wikinaut

There are quite few discussions (back to 2020) dealing with the variable max_day_to_hold and the (non-) handling of the set value, I found for example Marc's comment https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… : I'm really not sure what you are looking to do, but I can tell you that while the max_days_to_hold list attribute exists and can be set, the actual discarding of held messages older than max_days_to_hold is not implemented. Thus the setting currently does nothing. My question: Are there any plans to bring this into action, so that held messages are really discarded after that number of days? (like it was in mailman2)?

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: New installation, new issue: mailman3 migrate -- no module CommonMark

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/27/24 12:41, Bill Oliver wrote: > On Sun, 2024-10-27 at 10:01 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> In any case, in your venv, do >> ``` >> pip install --update readme_renderer cmarkgfm >> ``` >> > > That did the trick, though I had to use --upgrade instead of --update. > Thanks... Now on to the next step. My bad. Of course I meant --upgrade. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: redirecting -bounces replies

by Mark Sapiro

Instead of what I wrote at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… you might consider whether setting the list's Notify owner on bounce increment to Yes and Forward unrecognized bounces to List or Site admins might do what you want. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Installation Questions [Installation}

by Arte Chambers

Hello everyone, I'm running Ubuntu 24.10 and following the Virtualenv instructions <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#setup-mailman-u…>. When creating the mailman user per the instructions I find that the mailman user doesn't have sufficient permissions to do things later in the installation such as creating files in /etc. What steps should I take to ensure that the mailman user has the correct permissions to install the Mailman app. Thank you, Arte Chambers

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installation Questions [Installation}

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/3/24 17:58, Arte Chambers via Mailman-users wrote: > For > other things like the systemd service and the postfix and web server > configs, you need to do them as root (via sudo). > > Does this mean i need to add the mailman user as a sudoer? No. `mailman` doesn't need to be a sudoer. Somebody needs to be root or a sudoer to create systemd files and edit postfix and web server configs, but that doesn't need to be `mailman`. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: "held for moderation" - alias domain details sought

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/5/24 09:10, Greg Newby via Mailman-users wrote: > > If I use an alias domain, will that replace the need for entries in > /etc/aliases? I'm hesitant to explore since this is my production mail > server. No. The alias_domain attribute of a Mailman domain is for a completely different purpose. It has nothing to do with enabling multiple addresses for posting to a list. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] How to keep virtualenv install secure?

by Lichtinger, Bernhard

Hi, I am looking for some advice: If we use the virtualenv install method, how does one keep track of security updates for all the installed dependencies? I can think of: - Upgrade regularly all installed packages inside the virtualenv. This might break mailman3 if there are incompatible updates. - Try to track all dependencies and check if there are security updates published. This might be impossible to achieve. - Security updates are so rare, we do not need to bother. ;) Thanks, Bernhard

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius not HTML-decoding < to "<" characters

by Jeremy Stanley

On 2024-11-09 13:05:16 -0800 (-0800), Mark Sapiro wrote: [...] > Also, it depends on the archive rendering mode and only occurs if the mode > is Markdown text rather than Plain text. It is really `mistune`, > <https://mistune.lepture.com/en/latest/index.html>, which is doing the > markdown rendering and which `escapes` HTML tags. [...] On a related note, the MD rendering here seems to misinterpret sig separators as markup. Like this... -- Jeremy Stanley

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Bulk delivery status change?

by Stephen Daniel

Mistakes were made, and for while every single outbound email bounced. I've fixed the mistakes, but now in my largest and most active email list, every single user's delivery status is "Disabled by Bounces". Is there a way to bulk fix this? Or do I have to go into each user, one at a time, and fix them? Thanks! -- Steve

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Unexpexted error: if you are sure you want to run as root, specify --run-as-root"

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/25/24 5:50 AM, w.schoener(a)alp.dillingen.de wrote: > I tried: > mailman shell -l --run-as-root my.list.id That should be `mailman --run-as-root shell -l my.list.id` but as Odhiambo says you should never run `mailman` commands as `root` unless you really know what you are doing which is why the --run-as-root option is required. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problem with importing lists

by Alain D D Williams

On Sun, Dec 01, 2024 at 11:27:13AM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Are you running `mailman import21` as `root` and thus creating files in > Mailman's var/templates/lists/ directory that can't be read by `mailman`? Yes: fixed by a quick: chgrp -R list /var/lib/mailman3/templates/lists Yes: I do remember reading something about that but forgot. This will go in my notes. Thanks a lot for your help and patience! -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 https://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers. Registration Information: https://www.phcomp.co.uk/Contact.html #include <std_disclaimer.h>

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Hyperkitty search on Message-ID?

by Bryan Fields

I've been working with a rather large import and am finding that I can't seem to get the search on a Message-ID: to return anything. I can do this via the DB, and then look at the message, but this is less than ideal, and requires DB access. > mailmanweb=> select message_id_hash from hyperkitty_email where message_id = '19991231211903.C2870(a)abq-mail-01.ihighway.net'; > message_id_hash > ---------------------------------- > IWKEJSPTJODEHARQ2VI6BEFQKNEJYM22 Any ideas how to get it indexing the ID so a layperson can search on it? -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty performance problem

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 4:18 PM monochromec via Mailman-users < mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > In addition I have the following questions: > - How to turn on verbose logging for the pipeline runner (as the changes > in mailman3.cfg didn't have any effects as outlined above)? > from https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/config/schema.… . So I guess you can do: [logging.runner] level: debug -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to remove Held Unsubscriptions

by lowell＠fas.harvard.edu

Mark, I appreciate your trying to help. I'm just an end user. I don't control when or how HUIT updates their services, and don't myself have access to mailman shell to do the manual version. I'll send this thread link to IT and see if they can handle it. Clearly it's not a priority, since I can just ignore the emails, but given that it's a new year, I figured I'd try and tackle it again.

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailing list welcome message won't update

by frances.du＠uq.edu.au

HI Mark, I simply tested by unsubsribing to the mailing list and then re-subscribing to receive the welcome message. How do you test using the mailman command with user list? Thank you. Frances

1 year, 3 months

[MM3-users] Configuring ARC with multiple domains in Mailman3

by Lance A. Brown

I'm working on setting up MailMan 3 on an Ubuntu 24.04 LTS server. I've got everything running and working with docker-mailman. Now I'm looking at configuring ARC and am a bit lost. How is ARC configured in a mailman3 with multiple domains? Do I set it up to use the hostname of the server Mailman is running on? Thanks for any assistance, --[Lance]

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Pck files stuck in out queue

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > It is definitely related. That (very uninformative) message is > logged once only after the out runner is started the first time > calls the decorate handler and the handler can't access a template. So this socket.error is an escape from template.py:TemplateLoader (most likely bubbling up from template.py:TemplateManager)? I'd like to catch this error and do something useful with it. Steve

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Heads up: settings.ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD is deprecated

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/7/25 03:19, Andreas Vetter wrote: > > Changing ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD to ACCOUNT_LOGIN_METHODS in > /etc/mailman3/settings.py is not enough. One has to edit > venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman_web/settings/mailman.py You can do this in /etc/mailman3/settings.py only without editing venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman_web/settings/mailman.py by adding ``` del ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD ACCOUNT_LOGIN_METHODS = {'email', 'username'} ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core.

by Christian

Running Debian 4.19.316-1 Python 3.7.3 I am unable to start mailman core mailman@lists:~$ /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman start Usage: mailman start [OPTIONS] Try 'mailman start -h' for help. Error: A previous run of GNU Mailman did not exit cleanly (stale_lock). Try using --force mailman@lists:~$ I try using --force and it did not work. So how do I start it? Bottom line: I would like for Mailman core to start when I reboot the server. How can this be achieved please?

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Speed up importing mailman2 lists

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Jeremy Stanley writes: > In our case, "as long as needed" is approximately forever, [...] > since we'd rather not break random links elsewhere on the Web, > e.g. in news articles that link to list discussions. Yeah, that's a MAJOR consideration for MANY use cases. Be aware, folks! It's a problem I didn't face in either of the massive migrations. In the bigger one a quick poll of active users suggested they didn't have such links, or if they did they'd do a search anyway. In the latter case the same archiver is still in use.

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Postfix + MariaDB + Mailman 3 Core

by Peter Knowles

== ENVIRONMENT == OS: Debian 12 Mailman Core: 3.11.2 Install Mode: venv == QUESTION == I'd like to do a more advanced setup with regards to my MTA setup. *** I have mastered the art of setting up Mailman 3 Core to use MariaDB vs PostgreSQL *** What I'm after is the ability to make use of MariaDB with: transport_maps local_recipient_maps relay_domains In particular, with regards to Mailman 3 Core generated content. So instead of referencing a postmap generated file which MM3 presently generates, but have MM3 add and/or remove those records to/from a MariaDB table. Appreciate any insights on this task.

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: How to process emails with Mailman3?

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/11/25 4:30 AM, Kyle Lahnakoski wrote: > > I guess I will be parsing the message to find that recipient. Since you are doing this in a Python script anyway, just use Python's email library to parse the message and Python's smtplib to send the message to Mailman's LMTP runner. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Disable deletion of list in Postorious

by Julian Kippels

Hi, I would like to configure Postorious in a way to disable the functionality to delete a list. Is there a way to do this? Thanks Julian

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Disable deletion of list in Postorious

by Odhiambo Washington

On Tue, Mar 25, 2025 at 6:06 PM Julian Kippels <kippels(a)hhu.de> wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to configure Postorious in a way to disable the > functionality to delete a list. Is there a way to do this? > > Thanks > Julian > Also so that no one can create a list, right? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Moderator e-mails only going out once a day

by jkoral＠luc.edu

Mark, can you clarify the part about (Postorius Admin immed notify is Yes)? Is that a separate setting than admin_immed_notify is True? If so , how do I check that setting.

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Moderator e-mails only going out once a day

by Mark Sapiro

On March 27, 2025 2:20:56 AM GMT+07:00, jkoral(a)luc.edu wrote: >Mark, can you clarify the part about (Postorius Admin immed notify is Yes)? Is that a separate setting than admin_immed_notify is True? If so , how do I check that setting. They are the same. The setting is admin_immed_notify which is a True/False setting. This setting is exposed in Postorius as a Yes/No setting called Admin immediately notify. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Regarding nested mailing lists in mailman 3

by Chandrakant Pandey

Hi, I want to know whether we can setup nested mailing lists in mailman 3 which we used to do in mailman 2. like ep2021@iitb.ac.in,ep2022@iitb.ac.in,ep2023@iitb.ac.in mailing lists exist and we add all this mailing lists as member in ep(a)iitb.ac.in. Whether this kind of nested mailing lists work ? --chandrakant

1 year

[MM3-users] Change delivery_status in bulk

by Hitashi mancho

Dear All, We have a Mailman3 instance with around 500 mailing lists. Most of the mailing lists have 5000 subscribers. Because of some misconfiguration in the postfix, posting for 1000 users has been bounced. Until we realized what happened, the mailman had set delivery_status to "disabled_by_bounces." for many subscribers. Now, I am unable to locate any command or an API call through which I can change the delivery_status back to enabled for 1000+ users. Can you please guide me on how I can do this programmatically using cli (I will write a bash script) or using an API call? Regards, Hitachi.

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Can't post to my own list from HyperKitty

by MegaBrutal

On Mon, Apr 7, 2025, 03:04 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > so it is saying there is only one choice for sender which I think means > there is only one address associated with your login. That still doesn't > explain why it thinks you're not a list member. > Indeed, it doesn't explain. Are there any maintenance scripts or DB queries you recommend to run to get to see what's happening under the hood? I've already tried ``mailman-web mailman_sync``, but it didn't do anything. >

1 year

[MM3-users] Missing styling on select pages

by grodriguez＠usra.edu

Hello all, I installed mailman3 on Rocky Linux 9 via the Virtualenv Installation installation guide. I configured Apache httpd to proxy gunicorn. For the most part, everything is looking good except for some select pages that do not contain the styling like all other pages. When a user sees the "Verify Your Email Address" screen, it's without any of the styling. /accounts/confirm-email/ Same for when a user tries to reset their password. The initial screen looks good (with styling), but after entering the email address and clicking "Reset My Password", the following screen is bare. /accounts/password/reset/done/ I have Mailman 3.3.10, Postorius Version 1.3.13, and HyperKitty version 1.3.12. Any suggestions?

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Setup Question: Disk-Layout (Migrating from Mailman 2.1)

by Mihai Moldovan

* On 4/17/25 19:38, Mark Sapiro wrote: > There is no Mailman command to do this, but a Python script is very > simple. Something like > ``` > [script] > ``` Great, that will definitely create it in the format expected by Python and hence mailman! Thank you very much. Mihai

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Upgrade docker-mailman to v0.5.2

by Christopher

Hi Abhilash, looking for the upgrade again I still hang on the old question: Do you have any experience with migrating from 0.4.6 to 0.5.2 on mariadb? Best regards, chrclaus

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: configuring postfix local recipient table

by Alexander Inzinger-Zrock

Ahoi, first i would like to thank you all for your prompt help. I spent yesterday to evaluate most of the input i got and will try to respond to the best of my knowledge. Especially on the first hint [1] i still have to do some more research, so i will answer to second and third answer first. Seeing that answer becoming longer and longer, i tried to cut it down and decided to split it up for better on point discussion (as follows). lg aiz [1] https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: configuring postfix local recipient table

by Alexander Inzinger-Zrock

[Status] Suggestion: It seems, we are wasting to much time with a probably messed up system. I suggest, that i do as initially suggested [1] and start over with a reinstall. Last idea before that would be to 1. delete the files: -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 Mar 21 11:58 postfix_domains -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 12K Mar 24 11:44 postfix_domains.db -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 Mar 21 11:58 postfix_lmtp -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 12K Mar 24 11:44 postfix_lmtp.db 2. restart services 3. test if programms make new files 4. report to mailinglist Would that be of interest to someone? lg aiz [1] https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…

1 year

[MM3-users] Re: Log Owner/Moderator actions ban address matching.

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/1/25 11:41, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > Postorius can't log logins because it's not Postorius (or HyperKitty) > that does the logging in. It is django-allauth. Thinking further on this, it's not really logins that you want logged, as I could have logged in days ago and still be logged in. I think a better thing to log is when the user is found to be logged in as a user with appropriate priviledge and Postorius can do that. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

11 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] acceptable_aliases not updating venv/data/postfix_lmtp

by Stefan Bauer

Dear Users, I'm trying to use acceptable_aliases for a specific list; Setting is also active; # curl -s -q --user restadmin:..... http://localhost:8001/3.1/lists/postmaster@domain/config | jq { "acceptable_aliases": [ "abuse@domain" ], However venv/data/postfix_lmtp does not contain abuse@domain, so postfix rejects the mail. What am i doing wrong? Mailman 3.3.9 Thanks in advance Stefan

11 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] alembic.util.exc.CommandError: Can't locate revision identified by xx

by Lars Bjørndal

I upgraded my Fedora distro from v.40-41. I did pip install wheel mailman psycopg2-binary When running the mailman command, I get alembic.util.exc.CommandError: Can't locate revision identified by '8cc1f79f4459' How do I solve this? Thanks, Lars

11 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Join a Mailman 3 list?

by Cathryn McGuire

Hi, We’re currently hosted by EMWD who upgraded the Mailman 2 cPanel/Python and have been unable to resolve the issues we’re experiencing. We would like to join a Mailman 3 list to see how it all looks and works. Do you have any recommendation? Best, Cathryn McGuire

10 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] two signatures on sent mail?

by STR

Hi, I am a very non-savvy mailman list user. I am trying to set up a list via cPanel but when I send emails there are two signatures. One is my usual signature and the other, below, is appended by Mailman and includes an http link to a non-existent page on my website. How do I strip the auto signature, just leaving my own? I use Mailman via cPanel on two separate hosting accounts. One works fine and this new one attaches the list address. I can't see what I did differently with the first! any help gratefully received Kate

10 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Block members from sending cc's and bcc's

by Cathryn McGuire

What you want is a pattern that matches anything, e.g., .* to match zero or more > occurrences of any character. Please confirm that setting up a rule for cc's in Header Filter to "hold for moderation," it should block the member from sending a cc? And, for the pattern, are you suggesting I use ".*" with cc: as the regexprs? Or, what exactly do I use under as a regular expression? Cathryn

10 months

[MM3-users] Re: New Lists Appear in HyperKitty Archives, But No Mail Data is Shown

by Asif Muzammil

Hi Mark but in my server there is no directory located at var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/, i can see the spool /var/maliman/spool and there is no files in it So what should I do? Thanks

9 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: New Lists Appear in HyperKitty Archives, But No Mail Data is Shown

by Ron

Asif Muzammil via Mailman-users wrote on 2025-07-14 02:57: > but in my server there is no directory located at var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/, i can see the spool /var/maliman/spool and there is no files in it > So what should I do? If you installed using the "venv" method, then the spool should be at: /opt/mailman/mm/var/archives/hyperkitty/spool There shouldn't be a /var/mailman/spool created using venv. Which method did you use during your installation?

9 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Relay Access Denied

by jkoral＠luc.edu

Here is what I have in postfox_lmtp. Do I need to add another line for joetest(a)lists.luc.edu as well? joetest(a)listservnew.luc.edu lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 joetest-bounces(a)listservnew.luc.edu lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 joetest-confirm(a)listservnew.luc.edu lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 joetest-join(a)listservnew.luc.edu lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 joetest-leave(a)listservnew.luc.edu lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 joetest-owner(a)listservnew.luc.edu lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 joetest-request(a)listservnew.luc.edu lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 joetest-subscribe(a)listservnew.luc.edu lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024 joetest-unsubscribe(a)listservnew.luc.edu lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:8024

9 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Relay Access Denied

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/22/25 11:11 AM, jkoral(a)luc.edu wrote: > Mark, we would really like to use both lists.luc.edu and listservnew.luc.edu. Is that possible? I think you can do this and have it completely automated by following the setup at https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h… and setting the alias domain of the listservnew.luc.edu to lists.luc.edu. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Held messages not delivered after approval

by Stephan Krinetzki

Hi, After accepting the message the smtp.log doesn't show any sign of further processing. Other mailinglists on the same host are doing fine. Even a 1:1 copy of the list works - only the original list does not work. Evene after deleting and recreating the list the error persists. The maillog oft the host only shows the incoming mail, but not the outgoing. The mail seems to vanish after accepting. mailman members --regular --nomail enabled LISTSPEC Shows a lot of addresses - so all the members of the list don't recieve an mail, which explains the vanished mail. Next step: Enable the the mailing for them.

8 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Disable Sign-up per domain

by Mark

On 2025-08-01 02:46, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> And here I had >> >> return super().is_open_for_signup(self, req) >> >> which should return the is_open_for_signup result from >> allauth.account.adapter.DefaultAccountAdapter but since that result is >> an unconditional True, what you have is OK too. > > > Actually, that too was wrong. It should have been > > return super().is_open_for_signup(req) > > but that is now moot as > > return True > > is fine. Ahhh. Thank you for letting me know that. I had used "return True" in an act of desperation. Is good to be shown how to do it right. :-)

8 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: default processing

by Sam Darwin

With computers the word "default" has a specific meaning: if you have not manually set a value, this is the fallback result that occurs when you selected "nothing". "List default" matches that meaning. When user joins a list, they are assigned this option. Nothing has been manually selected by a moderator for the user. Do any other uses of the word match this definition? An action that involves a selection or choice from a drop-down, and only occurs because of a selection or a choice, is not a "default". "standard accept processing" "regular accept" ... yeah, those could be possibilities.

8 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] After server upgrade debian 11→12 and reinstalling everything in (venv), I got this error when accessing → mailman3/lists

by Wikinaut

File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 160, in call raise HTTPError(params.get('url'), response.status_code, urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 500: {"title": "500 Internal Server Error"} ERROR 2025-08-16 19:26:03,720 6588 django.request Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/mylist.myserver.tld Can anyone help? Other things do work, including archives, users, domains etc.

8 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: After server upgrade debian 11→12 and reinstalling everything in (venv), I got this error when accessing → mailman3/lists

by Wikinaut

I already made all files owned by mailman:mailman and restartet (I will do this again). Here ist the full error stack (redacted) https://dpaste.com/AQPMYEHEK.txt

8 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Column 'starting_email_id' cannot be null

by Mark Sapiro

On August 18, 2025 9:35:13 AM GMT, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > >It looks like you did not run some migrations. >However, because this is packaged Mailman3, I am not sure I know how to do >that. Django-admin migrate Where Django-admin is whatever the name of the Django admin command is. However, the primary support resource for the Debian/Ubuntu package is Debian. See <https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.

8 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: After server upgrade debian 11→12 and reinstalling everything in (venv), I got this error when accessing → mailman3/lists

by Wikinaut

Thank you. As I need to go through ~20 mailing lists, is there any way to programmatically also modify the templates? I could not find a script for doing this but it would nice to have, as I managed, as known, to write and to run scripts, which is very helpful (because we re-generate the _whole_ mailsystem daily if there are changes in our membership database). Thus a script to fix (at least) ml footers would also be great!

8 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: cron error - /opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman-web runjobs daily

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/19/25 2:21 PM, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > > Now I need to find a way for me to subscribe my email address as an > ordinary user for starters. This is refusing. What are you doing to subscribe? What is the reason given for refusal? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Why are moderation mails sent to list moderator (if there are any) _and_ then also to the list owner?

by Wikinaut

Dear all, I am quity puzzled to receive a bunch of mails which are moderators works - I just set up one person as a list moderator - but I do receive the moderation request as well. How can this be stopped? I just tested the behaviour and I can't see any switch in the list settings (at the moment) to avoid sending moderations to the owner for such lists, where moderator(s) are defined. A Bug?

8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Subscription Request asking for Confirmation instead of Moderation

by Henry Hartley

> -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2025 18:57 > > What does the mail to the user, FIRSTLAST(a)SCHOOL.edu, say? I.e., if the > subscription is waiting confirmation there should be a mail to the user with > Subject: Your confirmation is needed to join the MAILINGLIST mailing list I've having the users do some testing to see if a) they can reproduce the problem and b) if so whether or not the confirmation email is sent. -- Henry Hartley Westat RB 2151

8 months

[MM3-users] Re: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /mailman3/lists/test2.***/settings/message_acceptance MultipleObjectsReturned .. get() returned more than one EmailAddress -- it returned 2!

by ^m'e

Mark Sapiro wrote: > https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/UC_fix to fix this and one at > https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/Mult_primary to fix a possible side > effect of the other. The same problem appeared today with my mariadb-based installation. @Mark, do you have a mysql version of your scripts? -- ^m'e

7 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Mailman3 virtualenv installation: missing data

by qno-mailman＠qno.de

Hi all, i tried to install Mailman3 according to https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-inst…. I’m using Mariadb instead of PostgreSQL, but that is no problem until now. Where i fail: I have to make an entry var_dir: /opt/mailman/mm/var in /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg. But there is no directory /opt/mailman/mm, and there are no subdirectories. No $var_dir, no postfix_lmtp, no postfix_transports. Where do i get those files from? TIA QNo

7 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Dependency nntplib not found

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/5/25 08:42, qno-mailman--- via Mailman-users wrote: > > I googled and found that module nntplib is no more part of python since python-3.13. How can i fullfill (or avoid?) this dependency? Mailman does not support Python 3.13 until Mailman 3.3.11 (not yet released). I'm not sure if there are other issues with Mailman 3.3.10 and Python 3.13 (I think not), but you can fix the missing nntplib dependency by doing ``` pip install standard-nntplib ``` in your venv. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Issues sending to gmail and yahoo e-mails

by jkoral＠luc.edu

Mark, I removed that DMARC because you are correct, it was redundant, but now the issue with the FROM address is a problem. Could this be a setting someone that you know of? When I start a new thread either through e-mail or hyperkitty, it seems to do the same thing. Any thoughts? Joe

7 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Problems with SPOOFED_UNAUTH

by Stephen J. Turnbull

M. Ede via Mailman-users writes: > The email sent via the anonymized list still contained the DKIM header > with the following information: [DKIM signature date removed] > This means that both the domain and the email address of the original > sender are included. > > Don't all DKIM headers also have to be removed from anonymized lists? That seems right to me. Of course you can already do it with a separate option, but the anonymous_list setting should override that option. -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

7 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Problems with SPOOFED_UNAUTH

by M. Ede

Am 15.09.25 um 18:49 schrieb Stephen J. Turnbull: > This will work for you. > > The only thing I might do different: I've set up a system where the > MTA and Mailman are on different VMs, both visible from a large number > of "internal" hosts, and the MTA visible from the public Internet. In > that case I used SMTP AUTH both incoming and outgoing (paranoia, > justified in the case of that client), but in your case with all the > relevant nodes running in containers on a single host I don't think > that even gives any extra security. > Thank you very much for your assessment 🙂

7 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] How to subscribe members without sending unsubscribe message

by Flo

Hi, I need to remove subscribed members without sending them an unsubscription message. Despite of my research I haven't figured out how to do this using the GUI. Can anyone help? Flo

7 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Need to mass remove all unsubscription requests from server

by zachr＠mta.ca

I got it done by doing: >>> pendings = getUtility(IPendings) >>> for token, data in pendings.find( pend_type='unsubscription'): ... pendings.confirm(token, expunge=True) ... >>> commit()

7 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: After server upgrade debian 11→12 and reinstalling everything in (venv), I got this error when accessing → mailman3/lists

by Wikinaut

Do you have a programmatic way to delete n ( n > 20) such entries in Postorius, e.g. via a python script + REST to loop through all lists and perhaps to exclude a few based on a small condition (like a text found in old template and/or list name)? This would be very helpful.

7 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Sendgrid experiences (now Office 365)

by tom＠tomsmyth.ca

Reviving this old thread... Are folks still using Google Workspace or Sendgrid for Mailman? For Sendgrid, don't all sending addresses have to be verified? How do you get around that? Surely you don't have all list members go through the verification process? Does Google not have this restriction? Or am I missing something about how this works? Are people just having all list emails come from the list email address and using the Reply To header or something?

7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Sendgrid experiences (now Office 365)

by Thomas Krichel

Stephen Daniel writes > Any suggestions on more reliable ways of implementing mailman3 that do not > dramatically expand the budget are most welcome. I operate mailman3 + exim4 + spamassassin on a Hetzner dedicated machine and it seems to work fine. -- Written by Thomas Krichel http://openlib.org/home/krichel on his 22032nd day.

7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Auto discard after max_days_to_hold not working.

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/30/25 00:59, Hitashi mancho via Mailman-users wrote: > > As you have mentioned about implementation of "Auto discard after > max_days_to_hold" in a next release. How do I install that release? To install from the head of the GitLab branch pip install git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman.git -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Can't subscribe on new site/domain

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/10/25 10:29 AM, Flo via Mailman-users wrote: > > Postorius Version 1.3.13, > /usr/share/mailman3-web/settings.py: FILTER_VHOST = True , however, this > is set for the whole server and not for single domains/sites, right? Right. > In my case mail_host is the same as web_host so I shouldn't be touched > by that problem anyway. What do you get from the following database query SELECT * from django_mailman3_maildomain JOIN django_site ON site_id = django_site.id; -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Can't subscribe on new site/domain

by Flo

On 10/10/25 20:47, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > What do you get from the following database query > > SELECT * from django_mailman3_maildomain JOIN django_site ON site_id = > django_site.id; > A while ago I have done a bit of database programming, however here I am lost, please help, where should I place this query to get a result? Thanks. Flo

6 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Unprocessed Bounce Mails from user with e-mailadresse with a "-" in it

by Wikinaut

I do not see how this library understands German "out of office until...." messages, perhaps Mark can say something to it. Many links in that repository are also broken. I am lost.

6 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Unprocessed Bounce Mails from user with e-mailadresse with a "-" in it

by Mark Sapiro

On October 13, 2025 3:37:36 PM PDT, Wikinaut <mail(a)tgries.de> wrote: >I do not see how this library understands German "out of office until...." messages, perhaps Mark can say something to it. Many links in that repository are also broken. Flufl-bounce doesn't recognize any out of office messages in any language because they aren't non-delivery notices. What links in <https://gitlab.com/warsaw/flufl.bounce/> are broken? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent from my Not_an_iThing with standards compliant, open source software.

6 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot Install Web UI

by dap1＠bellsouth.net

I made all the suggested changes and now am down to the next layer of the onion when starting mailmanweb: gunicorn[53945]: Traceback (most recent call last): gunicorn[53945]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/gunicorn", line 5, in <module> gunicorn[53945]: from gunicorn.app.wsgiapp import run gunicorn[53945]: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'gunicorn.app'; 'gunicorn' is not a package I hope all this gets added to the docs for the next poor sole that has to do this on Ubuntu. :-)

6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot Install Web UI

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/24/25 10:19, Dennis Putnam via Mailman-users wrote: > > Do I need to specify a path somewhere? Sort of. What is the shebang line in /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/gunicorn? It should be #!/opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python I.e., it should point to the Python in your venv. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Disable automatic bouncing globally?

by jkoral＠luc.edu

Thanks as always Mark. Do I need to restart any services after I make that change?

6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Disable automatic bouncing globally?

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/28/25 09:25, jkoral(a)luc.edu wrote: > Thanks as always Mark. Do I need to restart any services after I make that change? No. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot Create New List

by dap1＠bellsouth.net

I didn't see that in the documentation. Anyway, that seems to have worked and I was able to import the list. However, I cannot import the archives. The documentation says to use mailman manage.py but does not say where it is. My search turned up 2, so which do I use? ./venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/falcon/bench/dj/manage.py ./venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mailman_web/manage.py

5 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot Install Web UI

by dap1＠bellsouth.net

I may have found the problem but would like confirmation before I mess things up.. The proxy stuff added to apache.conf asks for the modules mod_headers.c and mod_proxy.c. They do not exist in /etc/apache2/mods-available. However, none of the modules in that directory are file type 'c'. In any case if those modules are not loaded would not that explain my problem? I'm not sure it is appropriate to add those modules with a2enmod.

5 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot Create New List

by dap1＠bellsouth.net

Stephen: I get it. It just seems there is no place where all these *nix dependent variations are easily found. Mailman docs seems like to logical place. I'd be happy to add those notes if I knew how. Anyway, I still need help. I migrated my mailman2 to mailman3 per the documentation and all seemed to go well. However, now that I have the web UI working, no lists show up. Indeed, using mysql, all the relevant tables in mailman db are empty. How do I figure out if the import really worked when there are no error messages?

5 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: mailman-web Cleaning Up a Few Issues

by dap1＠bellsouth.net

I installed mailman-web 0.0.10 and that cleared up half the problem. The django-admin problem still exists. Do I need to create the directory /var/run/mailman3-web or should there be a different path specified somewhere?

5 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: update problems in virtualenv

by Lichtinger, Bernhard

Hello, > This is an issue with Mailman 3.3.10 and Python >= 3.13 fixed by https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1348 > > Here again if you want to upgrade Mailman core you can do > > pip install --upgrade git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman > > to get the latest from gitlab. Is it safe to use latest from gitlab for production usage? With python-3.13 in Debian stable it would be nice if we could get a new relase of mailman3 with all the fixes for python-3.13. Regards, Bernhard

5 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] FW: lists.arun@gmail.com's bounce score incremented on Degrowcali

by Christian Stalberg

Whenever I post to this list I get quite a few of these bounce score messages. How can I obtain a list of actual unsubcribes based on bounce scores to remaining subscribers please? What can I do to stop this behavior please? -----Original Message----- From: noreply(a)lists.ccalternatives.org <noreply(a)lists.ccalternatives.org> Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2025 5:30 AM To: degrowcali-owner(a)lists.ccalternatives.org Subject: lists.arun(a)gmail.com's bounce score incremented on Degrowcali lists.arun(a)gmail.com's bounce score on degrowcali(a)lists.ccalternatives.org has been incremented. The triggering DSN if available is attached.

5 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: mailman-web Cleaning Up a Few Issues

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/6/25 08:27, dap1--- via Mailman-users wrote: > When I said mailman3 I did not mean it was installed outside of venv. My bad. Sorry. You should still do sudo apt list mailman3 mailman3-web mailman3-full mailman3-doc to see if any of those packages is installed. I don't know how the /etc/cron.d/mailman3-web crontab would have been created except by installation of one of those packages. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot Create New List

by dap1＠bellsouth.net

Thanks. That obviously means my list was never created: mysql> select id,domain from django_site; +----+-------------+ | id | domain | +----+-------------+ | 1 | example.com | +----+-------------+ 1 row in set (0.00 sec) I never got any errors trying to create it but at least now I know where to look when I do.

5 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot Create New List

by dap1＠bellsouth.net

I did the create and it says it was created. I guess that means I blew it away correctly. However, it still does not show up in the db: mysql> select list_name from mailinglist; Empty set (0.00 sec) <venv> $ ls -l /opt/mailman/mm/var/lists total 0 Do I continue with the import21 anyway?

5 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Xapian alternatives

by Mark Labeste

Hi Mark, Do you have documentation how to use Xapian in MM3?

5 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Xapian alternatives

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/10/25 21:15, Mark Labeste via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi Mark, Do you have documentation how to use Xapian in MM3? https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#setting-up-full… -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot Create New List

by dap1＠bellsouth.net

I don't know if this has anything to do with anything but I'm seeing this line in the mailman3 status: mailman3.service: Can't open PID file /opt/mailman/mm/var/master.pid (yet?) I checked and the pid file is being created.

5 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot Create New List

by dap1＠bellsouth.net

This wouldn't have anything to do with the fact I am using a self signed certificate, would it?

5 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot Create New List

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/11/25 10:18, dap1--- via Mailman-users wrote: > This wouldn't have anything to do with the fact I am using a self signed certificate, would it? It could, but I think only if when you POST the login your browser complains about the certificate and you have to OK it before it posts the request. Such a scenario might lose the cookie. Otherwise, I don't think so. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Postfix Hooks and Fetchmail

by dap1＠bellsouth.net

I think I may have the aliases wrong based on what fetchmail is doing. Can I send you a PM with the unsanitized fetchmail info?

5 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Postfix Hooks and Fetchmail

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/14/25 11:46, dap1--- via Mailman-users wrote: > I think I may have the aliases wrong based on what fetchmail is doing. Can I send you a PM with the unsanitized fetchmail info? Yes. Also include the contents of the /opt/mailman/var/data/postfix_* files. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Too Many From Headers

by dap1＠bellsouth.net

I don't know if this is related or not but rather then the list name being in the from header, it is either the list owner or the sender address. Since I'm both I don't know how to tell which from my test emails. I'm downloading the incoming messages with fetchmail so I have to figure out how to see the incoming headers before it gets to mailman but I highly doubt it is coming in that way. Either fetchmail or postfix is doing something funky if it is not mailman.

5 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Bounce processing HTML

by pashdown＠xmission.com

Where do I set forward_unrecognized_bounces_to ? I can't find documentation on this.

5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Too Many From Headers

by dap1＠bellsouth.net

I think the crux of my problem is the list owner. I need that to be correct in order for postfix to use the right relay host. I tried to use "mailman admins -a" but that did not do what I expected. It did not change the list owner. As an aside the reply-to header is also incorrect but I could find no way to fix that.

4 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] user self registration

by Christian Stalberg

Spammers have been registering and not subscribing. I want to turn off the user self registration at https://lists.ccalternatives.org/mailman3/ . I edited /etc/mailman3/settings.py adding ACCOUNT_ALLOW_REGISTRATION = False and restarted the services, but the ' Sign Up' option remains. I assume /etc/mailman3/settings.py is my active settings file. What am I doing wrong?

4 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Postorius permissions granularity

by Liam Reilly

Hi, Is there a way to have more granular permissions in Postorius than either User or Superuser? The user permissions that are configurable under /admin/auth/user/ do not seem to have any effect. We have a helpdesk team that would benefit from being able to access all list pages in the same way as a Superuser, but without the ability to accidentally delete the mail domain for example. Thanks, Liam

4 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Mass operations on large list - Internal Server Error

by Liam Reilly

Hi, A list owner has reported that their list page for list of 3460 members crashes with "internal server error" when attempting to do mass operations such as unsubscribe all or large mass subscribe of many members. Has anyone else experienced this? Thanks, Liam

4 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: Upgrading dockerized Mailman3 from 0.4 to 0.5.1

by jesper.holck＠ibsgaarden.dk

@Jeremy, thanks a lot, I followed the procedure, and everything went smoothly. No need for any changes to Mailcow. @Stephen, thanks for your reply. The version numbers "0.4" and "0.5.1" do refer to dockerized versions of mailman as described here: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman

4 months

[MM3-users] Getting original message headers

by Peter Chubb

We've been seeing some particularly pernicious spammers recently. They're using gmail accounts; I'd like to report them to Google. To do that I need to find the original message headers. By the time the message gets to the archive, or to the mailing list recipients, all the Received: headers seem to have been deleted, leaving only the ones from my list server outwards. Is there a way to access the original incoming emai, before DMARC mitigation etc., has changed the headers? Peter C

3 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Change Member's Address

by dap1＠bellsouth.net

I got a different user set up as superuser using a gmail address. However, I get to the member's management page but cannot change anything. I see update buttons but they don''t seem to so anything although I get a banner at the top saying the user was updated. What am I doing wrong?

3 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Disabling Mass operations

by iMark

Hi All, Can anyone give me a pointer on disabling "Mass operations" (subscribe/removal) in Postorius. Just removing the menu link from the list-owners administration pages would be a good start. On "list-by-list" would be brilliant, but even server-wide would do the job. Cheers, Mark

3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Domain defaults for new lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/29/26 15:43, Peter Chubb via Mailman-users wrote: > > Thanks Mark --- how do I make that the default though? in the [styles] section in mailman.cfg set default: private-default -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Phantom Email Address in Nonmember List

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/31/26 15:13, Steve Brown via Mailman-users wrote: > The good news is that I now know what "grepping" is. Am I correct that I cannot do that as a mere list manager and not a Mailman3 platform operator with Linux? One needs shell access to the server and permission to read log files. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Issues with Mail delivery after Mailman 3 installation

by Ibiam Chihurumnaya

I do have both inet_interfaces and inet_protocols set to all.

2 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Permissions Error on /var/mail/mailman

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/3/26 11:47, dap1--- via Mailman-users wrote: > > I assume you meant sudo chown mailman /var/mail/mailman. Yes, That's what I meant. After you do that, any further such messages should be delivered to that mbox where you can see what they are. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman and Postfix Conflicting Information

by Victoriano Giralt

El vie, 06-02-2026 a las 17:00 +0000, dap1--- via Mailman-users escribió: > Clearly my postfix configuration is messed up but since this was all auto > generated I don't know what to do. You should follow the advice that you got from Viktor Dukhovni in the Postfix list: read Ralf and Patrick's Postfix book, clean everything up and start from scratch. -- Victoriano Giralt Retired sysadmin ================================================================== Note: signature.asc is the electronic signature of present message A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure ? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email ?

2 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Expire non-members

by John Price

Is there a way to expire and delete (in mailman3 or via cron) non-members? I've been running mailman3 for a couple of weeks now on a few mailing lists, and on my big list specifically I'm seeing lots of spam to the gcfl-join(a)gcfl.net email alias, which creates these non-members, but they never confirm their subscription, so they remain in non-member limbo. Thank you, John -- Is it my imagination, or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? Have a great day and don't forget to laugh! http://www.gcfl.net (The Good, Clean Funnies List): Good, clean daily funnies you can safely tell your Mom!

2 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Expire non-members

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/8/26 01:22, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Mark Sapiro writes: > > > >>> for nonmember in m.nonmembers.members: > > ... nonmember.unsubscribe() > > ... > > >>> commit() > > This won't delete the User or Address objects though, will it? No, it won't, but there is a script at https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/clean_users.py that will do that if you set DELETE_MAILMAN_USER = True in the script and run it after removing the nonmembers from the list. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman and Postfix Conflicting Information

by dap1＠bellsouth.net

A bounce was logged for each list member. Yes, I do get a bounce notice as list owner but that goes via the default relay rather than gmail.

2 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman and Postfix Conflicting Information

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/8/26 09:03, dap1--- via Mailman-users wrote: > A bounce was logged for each list member. Yes, I do get a bounce notice as list owner but that goes via the default relay rather than gmail. So the issue is not with Mailman per se. What MTA is bouncing the messages and for what reason? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman and Postfix Conflicting Information

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Dennis Post the log entries related to one such message, from both Postfix *and* Mailman, especially those related to debugging. We cannot help you interpret what you don't show us. It doesn't help us when you tell us what is "supposed to happen" without explaining why you think that is what the documentation and configuration say that Postfix and Mailman are supposed to do. Note that *both* Mailman and Postfix may have some influence on the credentials of the sender presented to remote recipients. -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

2 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Receiving Email from ListName-bounce@Domain for Unsubcribe

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/16/26 13:55, Marin Sok via Mailman-users wrote: > > Should I try to modify the code in file notifications.py in line 137. You could change that line from address, mlist.bounces_address, to address, mlist.owner_address, if you feel it's important. I will probably do something about https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1260 so it will be fixed for the next release. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 months, 1 week

[MM3-users] config_list in Mailman3?

by John Price

Is there a way to do this in Mailman3? # Mailman2 backup individual list config # $list = list name # writes config to mailman.cfg $MAILMAN_ROOT/bin/config_list -o mailman.cfg $list -- Can vegetarians eat animal crackers? Have a great day and don't forget to laugh! http://www.gcfl.net (The Good, Clean Funnies List): Good, clean daily funnies you can safely tell your Mom!

1 month, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: config_list in Mailman3?

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/2/26 20:18, John Price via Mailman-users wrote: > Is there a way to do this in Mailman3? > > # Mailman2 backup individual list config > # $list = list name > # writes config to mailman.cfg > $MAILMAN_ROOT/bin/config_list -o mailman.cfg $list Not at present. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1182> and <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/13>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 month, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: How to upgrade to 3.10

by Paul Tomblin

On Sat, Mar 7, 2026, at 3:05 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > pip install git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailmanclient@master > > without the hyphen. > > Also, I didn't explicitly say before but I think you also need to do > > pip install git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-web@master > > to pick up changes to mailman_web/settings/mailman.py Ok, I've done those, and the migrate, compress, collectstatic. Where does base_url get set? My list footer still has an unconverted ${mailinglist_url} --- This is the pt-test mailing list Description: Personal test message list To modify your subscription, go to ${mailinglist_url} Your email is ptomblin(a)xcski.com -- Paul Tomblin

1 month, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Opinions wanted.

by Phil

On 9/03/2026 4:18 am, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Mark Sapiro writes: > > > How significant an issue do you think that is? > > I would be more in favor of a larger default (25 or 50, even 100), > although I live in a bandwidth-rich country. Maybe that's not > feasible in many places. I would like to be able to set the default number of lists, we run 13 and its annoying to always have to use the drop down to see the extra 3 lists. Many thanks for a brilliant program guys

1 month, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Opinions wanted.

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 3/8/26 10:18, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > Mark Sapiro writes: > > > > > How significant an issue do you think that is? > > > > Very, if you have 20K lists. > > That's not the issue I was asking about. That issue is if the > selection The point is a user story where it was important to be able to narrow the window conveniently. -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

1 month, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Where to start looking?

by Paul Tomblin

So I imported all our mailman2 lists into mailman3, and it appears it didn't preserve passwords. So my wife (who administers 3 lists of her own) tried to use the reset password link (multiple times) but she never gets the email. I don't see any outgoing email to her in mail.log, or any of the mailman logs. I do the exact same thing as her and I get the email. Any suggestions on what I should be looking for? -- Paul Tomblin

1 month, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: venv and upgrade from python 3.11 to 3.13 because of OS-upgrade

by Paul Tomblin

On Fri, Mar 13, 2026, at 4:45 AM, Andreas Vetter wrote: > On Donnerstag, 12. März 2026 18:10:13 Mitteleuropäische Normalzeit Mark Sapiro > Thank you Steve and Mark for your help. One more question. When next version > of mailman and mailman-web is released. How would I switch back from git to > "normal". Once you go git, you can never go …. bit. :-) I think just `pip install -U mailman mailman-web` would do it. -- Paul Tomblin

1 month, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: alembic version

by Thomas Krichel

Mark Sapiro writes > Revises: making a chain. There are tools to display that chain. With your > venv active do > ``` > alembic -c /usr/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.13/mailman/config/alembic.cfg > history > ``` > What does that show? (venv) mailman@darni:/usr/local/mailman$ alembic -c /usr/local/mailman/venv/lib/python3.13/mailman/config/alembic.cfg history FAILED: No 'script_location' key found in configuration. Anyway this installation has no data at this time, and has not been running, so I will try to delete it and start completely from scratch. -- Written by Thomas Krichel http://openlib.org/home/krichel on his 22201st day.

1 month, 1 week

[MM3-users] Re: stop mailmanweb

by Paul Tomblin

On Sun, Mar 22, 2026, at 9:56 AM, Thomas Krichel wrote: > > root@darni ~ # cat /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini > # /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini > # > [uwsgi] > # Port on which uwsgi will be listening. > http-socket = 0.0.0.0:8000 I would change that to localhost if I were you. I have mine as 127.0.0.1:8000, but using a IPv6 version would probably be better for some unspecified reason. Otherwise you’re going to get scary looking errors about connections from unknown places, mostly script kiddies. They won’t do any damage, because they won’t be in your ALLOWED_HOSTS or CSRF_TRUSTED_DOMAINS, but it will give you a quieter life. -- Paul Tomblin

1 month, 1 week

[MM3-users] Speaking of RFC 8058

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Paul Tomblin via Mailman-users writes: > But are there plans to provide something? It's on my practically infinite TODO list, but not soon. I considered putting it in GSoC as a task, but I can't see coding it taking much more than a day or so, so that was out. On the other hand the potential for abuse of a faulty implementation is high, so I'm not going to do it without allocating time to look at it from all sides in 5 dimensions before pushing to trunk. -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

1 month

[MM3-users] Re: broken route to accounts

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Thomas Krichel writes: > To make progress from this mess, I suggest to insert a suggestion > to redirect the top level page into the documented apache > configuration, something like > > RewriteRule "^/?$" "https://lists.example.com/mailman3/lists/" [END] People have suggested that in the past, a third party misapplies it and thinks they've deleted the rest of their website. There's only so much you can do with recipe snippets. At some point you need an intervention from somebody who knows how things work. -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Python 3.13 compatibility

by Thomas Krichel

Thomas Krichel writes > What now? Actually it looks I could do pip install -U mailman==3.3.9 postorius django-mailman3 hyperkitty mailman-web To get back to a working system But that still leaves me without 3.3.11 which I apparently need for my import21. -- Written by Thomas Krichel http://openlib.org/home/krichel on his 22213th day.

1 month

[MM3-users] MM3 gateway errors and frequent reboot needs

by hansen＠rc.org

We have had to reboot the list server almost every week and wonder if there is something leaking and eating up resources. I does not appear to be memory, though. The server is slow to respond (could be because it's overseas) and then after some time we get intermittent gateway errors and finally we cannot access the lists online because of the gateway errors. It appears to me that the issue is with Postorius, but I could be wrong. Do files get closed after opening? Are we alone having such issues? Please advise. PS: My old MM2 installation could (and did) run without any help. Not so with MM3.

6 years

[MM3-users] MM3 on debian - redirect problem

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Gelpi Andrea writes: > Hi, > on a debian10 I have mm3 installed via apt-get It's OK to ask here, but for best results also ask on Debian and maybe Ubuntu channels (check the Ubuntu supported and/or testing distro versions to see if they're relevant). Even if we're running Debian, most of the devs will be running built-from-source, and even many of the Debian users here will likely be using Docker images and so on rather than Debian's .debs. Sorry I can't be of real help :-(, but I don't see any answers yet, and that's the best I can do. Regards, Steve

6 years

[MM3-users] Re: statistics monitoring for Mailman3

by Seth Seeger

> On Mar 12, 2021, at 12:10 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 3/11/21 8:05 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> The data are in Mailman's smtp.log, but I'm not aware of anyone who's >> written anything to analyze it. It would be fairly easy to do depending >> on exactly what you want. > > > You inspired me. See <https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/smtp_report>. I get the following error: File "./smtp_report", line 44 print(f' {lname}: {tot}') ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax I'm running python3 (3.5.3), and I'm afraid I don't know enough python to know what's wrong. Thanks, Seth

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Migrating archives from mailman2 to mailman3 with attachments

by bob B

So I see the process for migrating an archive from mailman2 to mailman3 https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html.................. i.e python manage.py hyperkitty_import -l foo-list(a)example.com $var_prefix/archives/private/foo-list.mbox/foo-list.mbox but does the migration handle attachments?? attachments are in ..../archives/private/foo-list/attachments. I assume this is if you are upgrading in place? I am migrating to a new server and my plan is to follow these steps but copy the config.pck. and .mbox files to the new server and import them, but then it looks like I need to copy the attachment directory? if so how do I import the attachments to mailman3?

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: message duplication and an NNTP related error

by Laurens Kils-Hütten

Hi, another question about gating. What's the proper way to set things up from mailman3's point of view. I understand mailman will send messages via NNTP. But how about the other way round? What I'm trying is setting up INN so it sends messages for the list to the respective list address. But could mailman also pull news from nntp? And is that what the "News to Mail" flag is supposed to do? Thanks, lkh -- Have this adventurer for your next game: Samo has a club and a helmet STR 4 INT 3 WIS 12 DEX 10 CON 10 CHA 16 HP 3 70 gp

2 months

[MM3-users]Re: mailman 2 vs. mailman 3: what happened to multipart/digest?

by Barry Warsaw

On May 12, 2016, at 12:18 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >It is the intent that Postorius will eventually expose all these >settings. We're not there yet. At present you could possibly do this by >interacting with mailmanclient, although I'm not certain the settings are >exposed there. I'm not sure if they're exposed in mailmanclient, but they are exposed in the core's REST API, on the member resource. It's the `delivery_mode` attribute and it takes as legal values one of 'regular', 'plaintext_digests', 'mime_digests', and 'summary_digests' (IOW, the enum item names for the DeliveryMode enum). Cheers, -Barry

9 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Rafael Mora

Good, it answered my call but now I get this: raise MissingDependency("The 'whoosh' backend requires the installation of 'Whoosh'. Please refer to the documentation.") MissingDependency: The 'whoosh' backend requires the installation of 'Whoosh'. Please refer to the documentation. [21/Jul/2017 21:25:23] "GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.1" 500 59 it says it needs whoosh How do I install that? on env2 with python2 or env with python3 ??? El vie., 21 jul. 2017 a las 16:23, Kyle Richardson (< kylerichardson2(a)gmail.com>) escribió: > If your browser is on a remote system, you'll want to run the command: > > 'python2 manage.py runserver 0.0.0.0:8000' > > -Kyle > -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

8 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Relaying email from external SMTP server (office365 or Exchange)

by Waqas Ahmed Khan

Hi, I have installed mailman3 with postfix. The server is working fine. To protect the IPs from blacklisting, I want to relay all emails from postfix/mailman to external SMTP servers like O365, Gmail, or our exchange server. Could you please confirm is this possible. And how to do its configuration. Regards, *Waqas Ahmed Khan* p: +923212608044 Skype: waqas-ahmed00 <waqas.ahmed0(a)gmail.com> waqas.ahmed0(a)gmail.com [image: LinkedIn] <http://pk.linkedin.com/pub/waqas-ahmed-khan/15/96a/39a/> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_cam…> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_cam…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Rejection Reason for refusing a subscription request

by Brian Carpenter

On 3/27/21 6:03 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > It's in Postorius since 1.3.3. If in the held message view, you click > the subject of a held message, you get a popup dialog the shows the > message with options to also show headers or the raw message. There is > also a dropdown t=o set the poster's moderation action and a box for a > reject reason if you click the reject button in the dialog. > > Do you not see this? I am referring to "Subscriptions pending approval". I apologize if I did not make that clear. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] mailman changeaddress: Address already exists; can't change

by joelbrownstein＠computer.org

Hi, We migrated ~100 lists from mailman2 to mailman3 (very nice!) including > 6000 distinct email addresses ("subscribers"). I would like to run the mailman changeaddress command to do a global change of email for a member that moved. But they have other subscriptions using their new email, so both the old and new address are migrated to mailman3 as distinct "members", which prevents the mailman changeaddress from making the change with error: $ mailman changeaddress "EMAIL_1" "EMAIL_2" Usage: mailman changeaddress [OPTIONS] OLD_ADDRESS NEW_ADDRESS Try 'mailman changeaddress -h' for help. Error: Address "EMAIL_2" already exists; can't change. Is there a workaround? Thanks, Joel

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Upgrade commands under Docker

by Abhilash Raj

> On Oct 26, 2021, at 10:36 AM, Seth Seeger <seth(a)tofutavern.com> wrote: > > Another docker upgrade question... according to the upgrade docs > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/upgrade-3.2.html#post-upgrade > > you are supposed to stop the web service and run a series of commands (compress/collectstatic/etc). How do you stop the service under Docker? If I stop the container, then I cannot access the manage.py command. Docker will run all the commands you find in the documentation when the container starts up. The process needs to be documented there, but it is essentially as describe in this issue’s description: https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/issues/293 -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Heads up: settings.ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD is deprecated

by Andreas Vetter

On Freitag, 7. Februar 2025 18:40:32 CET Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/7/25 03:19, Andreas Vetter wrote: > > Changing ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD to ACCOUNT_LOGIN_METHODS in > > /etc/mailman3/settings.py is not enough. One has to edit > > venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman_web/settings/mailman.py > > You can do this in /etc/mailman3/settings.py only without editing > venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman_web/settings/mailman.py by adding > ``` > del ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD > ACCOUNT_LOGIN_METHODS = {'email', 'username'} That is unfortunately not enough to get rid of the Warning, because venv/lib/ python3.11/site-packages/mailman_web/settings/mailman.py contains the old ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD and allauth is complains about it. -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen, Andreas Vetter

1 year, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Post-installation documentation?

by David Newman

On 11/25/21 1:16 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/25/21 10:56 AM, David Newman wrote: >> >> Thanks for this. After setting these variables and restarting mailman3 >> and mailmanweb, the mailman user still cannot find a hyperkitty_import >> command (neither can root, btw). Again, I installed MM3 and >> Django/Postorius/Hyperkitty using the venv and web docs previously >> referenced. > > > Don't run mailman or django admin commands as root. This causes issues > when files are created by root and can't be read by mailman. Understood, thanks. I'd only tried root to determine if there was a permissions issue, where hyperkitty_import really did exist but wasn't available to the mailman user. > > What django admin command are you running? As the mailman user, with venv activated: (venv) mailman@lists:~$ hyperkitty_import -l testlist(a)lists.domain.com /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/testlist.mbox/testlist.mbox 'testlist' and 'lists.domain.com' are redactions; they are correct in the given command, but the command fails because the system can't find hyperkitty_import. (BTW Also, because I'm looking to migrate from Mailman 2.1 installed from Debian packages, all the 2.1 stuff is owned by the 'list' user. I'd changed ownership of the above private archive to mailman:mailman for the command not to complain about permissions. > If you don't set > DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE in the environment and you have activated your > virtualenv and run `mailman-web` as the django admin command it will set > /etc/mailman3/settings.py as the settings. I'd run these two environment commands as the mailman user with virtualenv activated: export DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE=settings export PYTHONPATH=/etc/mailman3/settings.py Am I being overly literal here with 'settings' in that first command? Asking because 'mailman-web check' runs clean before running these commands and returns this error afterward: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'settings' Either way, the hyperkitty_import command still isn't found. >> On the plus side, all lists now appear in the admin web page. However, >> lists created from the admin page do not appear in a site list page, >> even though all lists are in the same site/domain. > > > By default, only lists that you are owner, moderator or subscriber for > are shown. What if you click Filter by Role and select All? Same result. In this case, the ID of the admin and list owner are the same. > > >> Finally, how to make these exports permanent? I did not see this >> covered in the migration doc above. This is on a Debian system where >> the mailman user's shell is bash. Is this simply a matter of adding >> environment variables in the mailman user's .bashrc file? > > You can do that but as I note above, if you run `mailman-web` you > shouldn't need to. You can add a `source /opt/mailman/venv/bin/activate` > command as mentioned at > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#activate-virtua…. Yes, this is what I have in mailman's .bashrc file. I'd followed that venv doc for initial installation, and it activates the virtualenv whenever launching a shell for mailman. dn

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Enable delivery

by Hirayama, Pat

No, I was obfuscating the addresses of the user and listname. And it was the trailing dot/period that was the problem. Sorry about that -- copy/pasting from the emailed report rather than typing the address myself. Now that I have the commands and order, I will look closer at some of those lists when additional reports come in. Thank you! -p > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2024 1:41 PM > To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Enable delivery > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click > links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the > content is safe. > > > On 12/10/24 10:43, Hirayama, Pat wrote: > > Apologies, I should've said my "Mailman 3" server, not listserv. > > > > MTA logs do not show messages being sent to the member(s) in question, > even though other members are being sent messages. Nothing out of the > mailman server, and nothing received by our outbound Postfix MTAs. > > > > As for the CLI commands, I keep getting Attribute Error when I try them, like: > > > > /opt/mailman # mailman shell -l listname(a)mailman.tld > > Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell > > Use commit() to commit changes. > > Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. > > Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. > > The variable 'm' is the listname(a)mailman.tld mailing list > >>>> from mailman.core.constants import system_preferences > >>>> mbr = m.members.get_member('user(a)domain.com.') > >>>> print(mbr.delivery_status) > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "<console>", line 1, in <module> > > AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'delivery_status' > > > Are you literally typing > > mbr = m.members.get_member('user(a)domain.com.') > > That needs to be an actual list member's email without a trailing > period. The fact that mbr is None means whatever you provided is not a > member of the listname(a)mailman.tld list. > > Curious that the member(s) in question are not amongst the recipients > delivered to the MTA even though > > >> when I run: > >> > >> mailman members --nomail any listname@listserv > >> > >> Nothing is returned. > > This should only happen if the members are digest members (are they) or > are directly addressed in To: or Cc: of the post. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mail > man- > users.mailman3.org/__;!!GuAItXPztq0!kBv3nt9E96ao_7FvkLnOsm_R9OWol1 > U4Lk0bnfCxTPiRuYdCv4jHRpx11tT3vx2cyFNW8ByfZlsvtwg$ > Archived at: > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailma > n- > users(a)mailman3.org/message/ET7NTZVDLCY6RBXHUIYRVTYQQX6SQ3KI/__; > !!GuAItXPztq0!kBv3nt9E96ao_7FvkLnOsm_R9OWol1U4Lk0bnfCxTPiRuYdCv4 > jHRpx11tT3vx2cyFNW8ByfwPhcXNc$ > > This message sent to phirayam(a)fredhutch.org

1 year, 4 months

[MM3-users] SOLVED was --- Re: Re: Debian 11 mailman3 installation question

by Stephen J. Turnbull

William Oliver writes: > Doh. Nobody should beat up on themselves for this kind of oops, that's REALLY hard to catch. Thank you, Bill, for going to the trouble to find it yourself! > So, I have to say ... the Debian automatic installation is a > breeze. Good job to whomever did it. It's a thousand times faster > than downloading and configuring from scratch, like I did last > time. Thanks for the report. Glad to hear OS packaging is working on *some* platforms. From recent (painful) experience, I cannot recommend doing using the OS packages on Ubuntu 20 LTS, unfortunately. Steve

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Two trivial questons:

by Bill Oliver

I take that back again. I found the error. I had nothing listed in CSRF_TRUSTED_ORIGINS. I filled that in and it ran like a charm. So, now it's just the SITE_ID thing... billo On Wed, 2024-10-09 at 19:22 -0400, Bill Oliver wrote: > > I take that back. I went back and made another superuser using > mailman-web create superuser. But... I still get bounced with the > error: > > > Forbidden (403) > CSRF verification failed. Request aborted. > > More information is available with DEBUG=True. > > > > my uwsgi.log generates: > > [pid: 1385|app: 0|req: 14/22] 127.0.0.1 () {52 vars in 1078 bytes} > [Wed > Oct 9 23:15:17 2024] GET /accounts/login/?next=/mailman3/lists/ => > generated 8204 bytes in 33 msecs (HTTP/1.0 200) 11 headers in 509 > bytes > (1 switches on core 1) > [pid: 1385|app: 0|req: 15/23] 127.0.0.1 () {62 vars in 1230 bytes} > [Wed > Oct 9 23:15:27 2024] POST /accounts/login/ => generated 1019 bytes > in > 2 msecs (HTTP/1.0 403) 8 headers in 268 bytes (1 switches on core 0) > > So it wasn't that I forgot the superuser name. It's getting denied. > That's all I got. > > Any help would be appreciated... > > billo > > > On Wed, 2024-10-09 at 19:04 -0400, Bill Oliver wrote: > > First: > > > > Last night I got everything installed and, I think, working. > > Unfortunately, I forgot to write down the name and password of the > > superuser I created. I know what I put in as password, but I cant' > > remamber the name of the superuser. > > > > I know I could just create another superuser with "mailmanweb > > createsuperuser" but I was wondering if there was a "mailmanweb" > > command for *listing* superusers. > > > > If not, I'll just make another superuser... > > > > Second: > > > > I have the "example.com" error in the login screen. The > > instructions > > state that this is a problem with making SITE_ID=1. Okay, but I > > don't > > know what to change it to. I tried SITE_ID=2 on a lark and > > everything > > broke, and the instruction say not to do SITE_ID=0. Apparently it > > has > > to be an integer (I also tried putting in site name and got that > > error). So... where do I change it? > > > > Thanks! > > > > billo > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > Archived at: > > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > > > This message sent to billo(a)billoblog.com > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to billo(a)billoblog.com

1 year, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: [Mailman-Users] MM3 startup issues

by Brian Carpenter

On 1/7/20 2:16 AM, hansen(a)rc.org wrote: > Beats me, Mark. Brian, do you know? Yes sir. Here are the three startup scripts that you will need to know. I should have included that in the communication I sent you and I apologize for that: systemctl start/stop/restart/status mailman (this is for Mailman core) systemctl start/stop/restart/status qcluster (this is for Django) systemctl start/stop/restart/status gunicorn (this is for web access to postorius/hyperkitty) -- Please let me know if you need further assistance. Thank you for your business. We appreciate our clients. Brian Carpenter EMWD.com -- EMWD's Knowledgebase: https://clientarea.emwd.com/index.php/knowledgebase EMWD's Community Forums http://discourse.emwd.com/

6 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Issues with cross posted emails after upgrading to mailman 3.3.6

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/5/21 2:07 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > Are we guaranteed to get a separate LMTP delivery for each list? That > is, if the MTA receives 2 RCPT TOs to lists for one transaction, won't > it do the same in LMTP when it sends forwards the message to Mailman? It doesn't matter. The LMTP runner makes a separate `in` queue entry for each recipient list, thus these are processed as separate messages regardless of how they arrived. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: new list not working

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/9/23 14:32, Christian via Mailman-users wrote: > When I ran > > mailman members -r -n enabled redlatinleg(a)lists.ccalternatives.org > > I did receive a list of subscribers for the new list I created, not just the > owner or moderator. > > Upon closer examination, another of my longtime working lists is also not > working. Similar behavior as the new list I created in that I see the > message has been archived, but not distributed to the subscribers. What do your MTA logs show? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Does hyperkitty show JPEGs in line and what about attachments?

by Jason Glazer

I run several MailMan 2.1 mailing lists and some subscribers are frustrated by the way pipermail deals with JPEGs that are embedded in the messages and also with how attachments are handled. Does hyperkitty in Mailman 3.1 do better on these issues. Assuming this message gets archived, I am going to try embedding a small picture right here: Hopefully that shows up in the archive. I won't add an attachment because the list may not allow it but I'm curious how those are handled. Thanks Jason -- Jason Glazer, P.E., BEMP, GARD Analytics, 90.1 ECB chair, 209 chair Admin for onebuilding.org building performance mailing lists

8 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: UnpicklingError on mailman lists command

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/2/21 7:35 PM, Bryan Loniewski wrote: > $ /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman version > GNU Mailman 3.3.2 (Tom Sawyer) > > So, I'm running > 3.2. Any other advice on debugging the truncated data? The traceback indicates sqlalchemy is unpickling data whose type is PickleType. The only mailinglist columns which are PickleType are the legacy *these_nonmembers and topics. You could try invoking mysql on Mailman's database and doing SELECT list_name, accept_these_nonmembers, hold_these_nonmembers, reject_these_nonmembers, discard_these_nonmembers, topics FROM mailinglist; and look for the longest values to possibly identify the problem list and attribute. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Mark Sapiro

On 07/21/2017 04:43 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: > YEEEES! At last!!! I can see the web UI. > > Now I´m getting this message in the web UI: > > Something went wrong > Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core. > > > > Where do I configure the REST API ????? So I guess you figured out that ALLOWED_HOSTS is a Django setting in settings.py or wherever your Django settings are. Now you have to start Mailman Core. In your Python 3 'env' where you installed Mailman Core, run 'bin/mailman start'. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Don't start nntp runner by default - was: Mailman3 doesn't send Mails to users (Debian12 with Plesk)

by Dave McGuire

On 5/25/24 08:47, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > On 2024-05-25 11:33:14 +0300 (+0300), Odhiambo Washington wrote: > [...] >> I last heard of usenet in the late 90's. Do they still exist, even? > [...] > > Yes, and it's surprisingly usable again now that most spammers have > finally forgotten it exists! It's also significantly improved since Google stopped trying to make money off of it. The Usenet spam from the Google users was just unbelievable. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] mailman3-web generating huge amount of error logs

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Helio Loureiro writes: > line 55, in unsign\n raise BadSignature(\'Signature "%s" does not > match\' % sig)\ndjango.core.signing.BadSignature: Signature > "ofwl5GkP2_1nDnfM8-vAjAwl_Ss" does not match\n',) I've never heard of this one. Apparently somewhere there is a secret key that is configured to "ofwl5GkP2_1nDnfM8-vAjAwl_Ss" but should be something else. My best guess is that this is the SECRET_KEY in settings.py, and probably there is some data leftover from before that was signed with the key above but SECRET_KEY in settings.py is still "MyVerrySecretKey". Or it could be the other way around. Don't know what to do about it though.

2 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: search this list searches more then just this list

by Marco van Tol

Op 22 jan 2024, om 17:19 heeft Stephen J. Turnbull <turnbull.stephen.fw(a)u.tsukuba.ac.jp> het volgende geschreven: > > Marco van Tol writes: > >> Turns out I was just one `./manage.py rebuild_index` away, so all >> good :-) > > Wonderful news! Thanks for following up, we do love to hear success > stories. Small unfortunate twist, this leads to: --- [ERROR/MainProcess] Failed indexing 204001 - 205000 (retry 5/5): Term too long (> 245): ... --- I have seen comments on that from back in 2020, but what’s the latest advise on how to deal with this? Thanks so much in advance! Marco van Tol

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mails from Django are not sent

by Simon Hanna

On 10/12/2017 12:27 PM, Bjoern Franke wrote: > Hi, > > I'm using the "mailman-suite" setup for Postorious and Hyperkitty. > > I've set > > EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' > EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost' You can just remove the settings to fallback to the defaults (that's what I do) > in settings.py, but no mails are sent. Files with the e-mails are in the > emails folder, but nothing happens, also no errors regarding emails are > logged. What did you have before that? It looks like django isn't using your "new" settings Did you restart django/uwsgi/gunicorn or whatever you are using?

8 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Apache Conf

by Guiseppin Thomas

Hi, Currently, I use a nginx configuration for mailman. It's work perfectly. I tried to do the same with Apache, but the statics files are not delivered (404). Basically, it's the same configuration: /server { listen 80; server_name mailing.ddd.fr; access_log /var/log/nginx/mailing.access.log; error_log /var/log/nginx/mailing.error.log; location /static/ { alias /opt/mailman/static/; expires 30d; } proxy_set_header X-Real-IP $remote_addr; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $proxy_add_x_forwarded_for; location / { proxy_pass http://localhost:8000; proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Real-IP $remote_addr; } } <VirtualHost *:80> ServerName mailing.ddd.fr ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/mailing.error.log CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/mailing.access.log combined <Location /static/> Alias "/opt/mailman/static/" </Location> <Location /> ProxyPass http://localhost:8000/ ProxyPassReverse http://localhost:8000/ ProxyPreserveHost On </Location> </VirtualHost>/ I missed something ? Thanks.

7 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Broken web UI after upgrade

by Jörg Schulz

I had this issue (using the dockerized version) when - UWSGI_STATIC_MAP=/static=/opt/mailman-web-data/static has been set to the wrong path. Maybe it's just the same: that your web server doesn't find the location for the static files. Am 14.12.22 um 17:15 schrieb Odhiambo Washington: > After upgrading MM3 and running all the post-update tasks and even > re-indexing all the posts, I have ended up with a somehow "broken" > hyperkitty. > The archives display on a browser six, to say the least. > The site is public, so I can share the link: https://list.rc.org/archives/ > > What should I do in order to fix this? >

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] mailman break DKIM signature by modifying body

by Peter Münster

Hi, I'm using mailman 3.3.8. Some messages with attachments from Google users get rejected by spam filters because of invalid DKIM signatures. It seems, that mailman alters some lines in the body. Here an example: Original message: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- Lines: 2031 --000000000000f846c505fc494b7a-- --000000000000f846c705fc494b7c Content-Type: application/pdf; [...] Content-Disposition: attachment; [...] --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Altered message: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- Lines: 2032 --000000000000f846c505fc494b7a-- --000000000000f846c705fc494b7c Content-Type: application/pdf; [...] Content-Disposition: attachment; [...] --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- An empty line is added, and the spaces after the semicolons are removed. Perhaps related to https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1079. What could I do please, to prevent such modifications of the body? TIA for any help, -- Peter

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: list not found

by Thomas Krichel

Thomas Krichel writes > So maybe just renaming .psv to .pck and moving to shunt does not > make a file in the bad queue fit for unshunting. It turns out this is correct. I just did submit the messages badly. The messages need to be copied from the 'bad' directory into the 'in' directory. There is no need to unshunt. Here is a bash script for this #!/bin/bash qdir=/var/lib/mailman3/queue for fufi in $qdir/bad/*.psv; do if [ -f "$fufi" ]; then psv_bana=$(basename "$fufi") pck_bana="${psv_bana%.*}.pck" cp $qdir/bad/$psv_bana $qdir/in/$pck_bana fi done I hope this will be useful! -- Written by Thomas Krichel http://openlib.org/home/krichel on his 22199th day.

1 month, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty 403 Forbidden Error

by Abhilash Raj

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019, at 9:49 AM, Phil Thompson wrote: > On 07/08/2019 17:04, Abhilash Raj wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019, at 8:41 AM, Phil Thompson wrote: > >> On 06/08/2019 09:48, Phil Thompson wrote: > >> > On 06/08/2019 03:38, Abhilash Raj wrote: > >> >> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Phil Thompson wrote: > >> >>> I'm in the process of setting up mailman3. The only problem I seem to > >> >>> be > >> >>> having is getting Hyperkitty to archive messages. Rather than the > >> >>> authorisation problems people have previously asked about on the > >> >>> list, I > >> >>> am getting a 403 error... > >> >>> > >> >>> Aug 05 15:38:40 2019 (10229) HyperKitty failure on > >> >>> http://localhost/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls: > >> >>> <html><title>Forbidden</title><body> > >> >>> <h1>Access is forbidden</h1></body></html> (403) > >> >>> Aug 05 15:38:58 2019 (10222) HyperKitty failure on > >> >>> http://localhost/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive: > >> >>> <html><title>Forbidden</title><body> > >> >>> <h1>Access is forbidden</h1></body></html> (403) > >> >>> > >> >>> Any suggestions would be appreciated. > >> >> > >> >> How did you install Hyperkitty? > >> > > >> > On Ubuntu... > >> > > >> > apt-get install mailman3-full > >> > > >> >> You probably need to the set the API key correctly in both Core and > >> >> Hyperkitty. > >> >> > >> >> Have you looked at documentation here[1]? > >> >> > >> >> [1]: > >> >> https://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/install.html#connecting-to-mail… > >> >> > >> >> Note that the MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = "value" (this value should be in > >> >> quotes, single or double, doesn't matter) in your settings.py for Web > >> >> (Django) should be same as the `api_key : value` (without quotes here > >> >> in hyperkitty.cfg config file). > >> > > >> > That's all correct. I'm familiar with the authorisation issues that > >> > other people have had. > >> > > >> > The only thing I'm doing differently (as far as I am aware) is that > >> > I'm using a URL prefixed with /mailman3 which is stripped off in my > >> > nginx configuration... > >> > > >> > # mailman3. > >> > location /mailman3/ { > >> > uwsgi_pass unix:/run/mailman3/web/uwsgi.sock; > >> > include uwsgi_params; > >> > uwsgi_param SERVER_ADDR $server_addr; > >> > uwsgi_modifier1 30; > >> > uwsgi_param SCRIPT_NAME /mailman3; > >> > } > >> > > >> > location /mailman3/static { > >> > alias /var/lib/mailman3/web/static; > >> > } > >> > > >> > location /mailman3/static/favicon.ico { > >> > alias /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/postorius/img/favicon.ico; > >> > } > >> > > >> > ...but I don't see this affecting the mailman to Hyperkitty > >> > communication. Posting to lists and the Postorius and Hyperkitty > >> > frontends seem to work fine. > >> > >> I have now fixed the 403 error (by setting MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM to my > >> public IP address). However I now get a 400 Bad Request error. > >> > >> I have traced this to the archive() function in > >> hyperkitty/views/mailman.py which is expect a POST but is actually > >> getting a GET, specifically... > >> > >> GET '/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive?key=...' > >> > >> ...which seems to be a fairly fundamental problem. > >> > >> Again, any suggestions would be welcome. > > > > It should be sending POST request to archive emails[1]. How did you > > grab the above request? Was it from logs? > > Yes, I added DEBUG=True in mailman-web.py and captured the HTML from > mailman.log. DEBUG=True doesn't print anything more useful around the 400 error response? > > > Do you have anything else in the logs? There should be something in > > the Mailman Core or web logs should have something. > > There's nothing useful in the core log. > > There are 3 preceding entries in the web log... > > GET /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls?mlist=...&key=... > GET /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls?mlist=...&msgid=...&key=... > GET /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls?mlist=...&msgid=...&key=... > > There is one item in the spool directory. > > These were all (apparently) successful. It seems odd that the last two > entries were identical. The only other thing that I can think of is, ALLOWED_HOSTS. What settings do you have in your ALLOWED_HOSTS in settings.py for Django? You need to have 'localhost' or whatever is the value of the "Host" in the "base_url" in your hyperkitty.cfg file in Mailman Core. I am not sure what is the default value in Ubuntu system. If you don't know, you can debug by adding a '*' in your ALLOWED_HOSTS and see if the problem goes away, this will bypass the Host header check. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

6 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Programmatically modify Thread-Topic *before* message is sent out the door?

by Thomas Ward

Well, I discovered some chaos, and indeed this is a Microsoft MAPI added component. Thread-Topic and Thread-Index are Microsoft's crap for their handling of threading, and they add it to *any* origin message going out the door for Microsoft's conversation handling. Which is annoying. I'm going to be exploring some things on my clients' end to see if we can strip those headers *before* they end up at our mailing list system. Painful systems are painful, and Microsoft is one of the worst offenders in this case. And I've informed Microsoft through our deep diving on their end and mine that they're breaking things. FORTUNATELY, I have administrative access on the MS365 side for the clients involved, so I can do some tweaking on mail ingress to strip certain headers. And hopefully that'll work. Going to be doing more testing on that, but I might need to set up some rules to strip messages of those headers programmatically. Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Stephen J. Turnbull <turnbull.stephen.fw(a)u.tsukuba.ac.jp> Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2024 3:06 AM To: Thomas Ward <teward(a)thomas-ward.net> Cc: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Programmatically modify Thread-Topic *before* message is sent out the door? Thomas Ward via Mailman-users writes: > Any chance Thread-Topic or such is spawned by the msgdata object > instead of directly in the message? No, the string "thread-topic" does not appear *anywhere* in the Mailman core sources. Mailman itself has no concept of threads. HyperKitty uses References, Reply-To, and Subject to algorithmically identify threads. Mailman does have an independent concept called "topic", which can best be thought of as "sub-list". But it uses the X-Topics header, and as far as I know doesn't pay attention to threading. AFAIK, Thread-Topic is a Microsoft-specific device. If you use Exchange or Outlook, you have to negotiate with that software about the use of Thread-Topic. My guess is that it is generated by Exchange because somebody at Microsoft decided that threading should be enforced by the server, not inferred by the MUA. > Unfortunately there's very little documentation on msgdata in the > handlers and what it is/contains so I'm asking again. I guess the relevant documentation is RFC 5321. ;-) msgdata's original purpose is to contain envelope and delivery information. That is, any data about the message that the LMTP runner knows that is not in the message header itself. HELO hostname, sender, recipients, IP address of SMTP client, timestamp of receipt is what I can think of offhand. There may be other stuff in there that is parsed out of the message and copied to msgdata for convenience but I don't know of any offhand. I'd have to read source to confirm. > Due to the holidays I didn't get around to testing/poking this so... You're welcome to ask even if you haven't. Of course we prefer that you investigate as much as possible, but we're all grownups. Everybody has their limits, and we cover for each other as we can. Steve

2 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Question about message bounce stats

by Ruth Ivimey-Cook

When I used Mailgun some time back, it had a feature of, for any specific outgoing mailing, being able to show you stats and other details of which mails were received ok, which bounced, and which were undeliverable, which I found helpful to check every so often. Their system also kept track of long-term trends, eg for addresses that frequently failed. Does Mailman3 keep such stats, and if so is there any way to get access to them, even if only API? I would think it useful to do so (and yes, for individual outgoing messages at least for a period). Regards, Ruth -- Tel: 01223 414180 Blog: http://www.ivimey.org/blog LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ruthivimeycook/

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Errors while importing mm2 list archives

by Odhiambo Washington

On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 3:52 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 12/17/22 23:22, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > I have dropped the DB, recreated, ... > > When you created the DB did you specify `CHARACTER SET utf8mb4`, e.g. > > CREATE DATABASE mailmansuite CHARACTER SET utf8mb4 > Yes. That is what I do at the minimum for my databases unless specific instructions exist against it. So it seems like I have done everything that is commonly expected, but the import still fails on several messages. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot Create New List

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/11/25 08:51, dap1--- via Mailman-users wrote: > I don't know if this has anything to do with anything but I'm seeing this line in the mailman3 status: > > mailman3.service: Can't open PID file /opt/mailman/mm/var/master.pid (yet?) > > I checked and the pid file is being created. This was asked by you at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… and answered at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… Also see https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1397 and https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite-doc/-/merge_requests/183 -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Where is postorius.wsgi?

by Peter Münster

On Fri, Jan 26 2018, Peter Münster wrote: > ImportError: cannot import name EmailMessage > > What should I do please? Ok, found it. This patch is needed: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- --- /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_mailman3-1.2.0a1-py2.7.egg/django_mailman3/lib/scrub.py~ 2018-01-26 08:43:30.027617074 +0100 +++ /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django_mailman3-1.2.0a1-py2.7.egg/django_mailman3/lib/scrub.py 2018-01-26 11:37:08.737066069 +0100 @@ -23,7 +23,7 @@ from mimetypes import guess_all_extensions from email.errors import HeaderParseError from email.header import make_header, decode_header -from email.message import EmailMessage +from email.message import Message # Path characters for common platforms PRE = re.compile(r'[/\\:]') @@ -63,7 +63,7 @@ sanitize = Sanitize.SANITIZE_HTML def __init__(self, msg): - assert isinstance(msg, EmailMessage) + assert isinstance(msg, Message) self.msg = msg def scrub(self): --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- -- Peter

8 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Wrong info in moderation mail when held due to match of a header rule

by Torge Riedel

Am 17.10.20 um 20:31 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > Please do file a bug. It won't be fixed until after the upcoming 3.3.2 > final release because we not making i18n changes between the candidate > and final releases. Also, if you don't like my suggestion, feel free to > suggest something else. Hi Mark, thanks for your answer. Filed as https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/785 I also added a suggestion similar to the ones you did. And also the idea of a comment field for each rule to give additional information to the moderator. Kind regards Torge

5 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: AttributeError: 'MailingList' object has no attribute 'get_requests_count'

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/28/20 12:08 AM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: > I tried this way but in this method I don't find any files to edit for my > customizations like > 1. Removal of social accounts, > 2. Addition of SMS integration and so. > > If I can do my required customizations through pip installation I am fine > with that. If you follow the instructions for installing in a virtualenv, in say /opt/mailman/venv, all the component files will be in /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.x/site-packages -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: more about spanish translations

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/19/21 5:09 AM, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: > > I would like to translate it all, but as said, I cannot find where to do > it. I wonder if it's comes from another package as allauth or something > like this. Yes, it does come from allauth, specifically allauth/templates/account/email/email_confirmation_message.txt. The Spanish allauth message catalog is at <https://github.com/pennersr/django-allauth/tree/master/allauth/locale/es/LC…>. I suppose you could submit a pull request to update it. Or you could just update your local file in your installation. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: accept mails from several Users, not list members beside members, howto

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/12/21 11:56 PM, Lars Schimmer wrote: > > Thank you. > I would have hoped for a extra input box to enter a list of ~100 email > addresses, but ok, lets do it this way. There is the legacy accept_these_nonmembers setting (exposed in Postorius since 1.3.3). This is designed to support the MM 2.1 setting which accepted regexps, but it also supports non-regexp addresses. Note that a match in one of *_these_nonmembers will override the moderation action for a non-member. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Upgrading mailman 3 venv installation

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/29/21 12:32 PM, Morris Jones wrote: > > It appears that my installation predates the mailman-web package, as I > don't have it installed. > > But if I understand the docs correctly, it serves to take care of the > django-admin commands for migration, static files, js/css compression, etc. > > So I think I don't need to do anything special (like add mailman-web), > except a database migration after the upgrades. That's correct. I recommend running these Django commands after upgrading collectstatic --clear compress compilemessages migrate -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Problems with shunted Mails

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/20/22 02:00, Stephan Krinetzki wrote: > Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> You might be able to fix this with something like >> >>> for mbr in m.regular_members.members: >> ... if mbr.address is None: >> ... mbr.address = mbr.user.preferred_address or >> member.user.addresses[0] >> ... >> >>> commit() > > This fix didn't worked. It returned a "Index out of bounds" exception. Apparently these Users have no associated Addresses at all. Do you have any idea how these Users got created/subscribed to the list? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years

[MM3-users] Re: About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/25/22 12:56, Onyeibo Oku wrote: > > I must be missing necessary policy modules for mailman or I am > missing relevant parts of the tutorial that deals with SELinux. Where > do I go from here? Create the necessary SELinux rules to allow `mailman` to access what it needs to. I don't know if anyone on this list can help you with that. Note that if `mailman` is currently a `normal user` as opposed to a `system user` making it a system user might help. See `man usermod` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing Mailman3 under a Python Virtual environment running on RHEL9

by Andy Macheta

Hi Odhiambo, Well; looks like I'm much further on thanks to your tips - thanks!! So now I can get my local web browser pointing at http://localhost:8000/mailman3/lists/ and I can see my test list. But, the webpage does not seem right, i.e. the text has loaded but not the images and wondering if anyone has any tips on how to resolve. I've checked ownership/group ownership of the /opt/mailman/web/ directory and sub-directories and all is owned by mailman:mailman which I ?think it should be. Not sure what else to check/do as definitely not a web developer. Thanks, Andy

1 year, 11 months

[MM3-users] redirecting -bounces replies

by Hirayama, Pat

Greetings, Is it possible to redirect the -bounces alias of a specific list so that it also goes to a person, in addition to the normal bounces processing for that list? In Mailman2, I know that I could do that by modifying the aliases table. I've been poking around in Mailman3, but haven't managed to figure out which container I need to be looking at. And rather than keep spinning, I figured that I'd ask the hive mind, since I'm sure one of you can quickly point me to the correct location. Thanks! -p Pat Hirayama Pronouns: he/him/his Systems Engineer IT | Systems Engineering - Infrastructure Fred Hutch Cancer Center O 206.667.4856 phirayam(a)fredhutch.org<mailto:phirayam@fredhutch.org>

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Settings: No templates are visible in settings

by paul＠arenson.org

I am struggling to find out why I do not see TEMPLATES in the Settings. When I first logged they were there. Many of them. Then, toying with the settings, they disappeared. I cannot find them now. Originally i thought I would not list the mailing list but changed my mind. Likewise, archives are now listed as public. I am still thinking about that. In any case, I want to see if there are templates to allow me to change headers or footers in messages, such as give the address of the list. Thank you for your advice. P.S> Sorry i asked too many questions the other day. Trying to keep this brief.

6 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty

by Onyeibo

On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 16:01:16 +0300 Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = ('127.0.0.1', '::1') > So an array?? > These are defaults. I have also added my IPs. Nothing is happening. > > > Perhaps I did something wrong here. Any documentation on this? > > > > https://mailman-web.readthedocs.io/en/latest/settings.ht > > > > My instance is not archiving. > > Things to check: > 1. Is your MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY value in settings.py (quoted here!) > the same as api_key in mailman-hyperkitty.cf (unquoted here!)? I have double-checked this. Yes ... I got it right > 2. Your MM3 log files - do they say anything? > Nothing! No new errors. It is very strange and frustrating Onyeibo

3 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: Postorius: Show only own lists

by Thor Atle Rustad

2018-01-23 16:59 GMT+01:00 Terri Oda <terri(a)toybox.ca>: > > > On January 23, 2018 6:26:51 AM PST, Thor Atle Rustad < > thor.rustad(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >2018-01-23 14:37 GMT+01:00 Simon Hanna <simon(a)hannaweb.eu>: > > > >> On 01/23/2018 12:10 PM, Thor Atle Rustad wrote: > >> > >>> Imagine an installation with 500+ mailing lists and almost as many > >local > >>> admins that are supposed to maintain their own local lists with a > >few > >>> local > >>> members. As site admin, I see all 500+ lists, but I was expecting > >*local* > >>> admins to see only the lists they maintain. I have set all lists to > >>> "advertised = False", so they are hidden from ordinary view. Is > >there a > >>> way > >>> to show only relevant lists to local admins? > >I believe I wrote Postorius in the subject line, but it may not be so > >obvious. So yes, in Posterius I would like to hide the lists from email > >harvesters, while relatively "untrusted" admins should have access to > >basic > >operations on the one list he/she "owns" (and without having to browse > >through 50 pages of mailing lists). Somehow I don't think 500 > >superusers in > >our system is a good idea! > > What do you mean by local admins? > > Is this > 1. Giantsite.example.com hosts lists for a bunch of domains, and you want > the logged in admins of mydomain.com to see their list admin pages but > not otherdomain.org's lists > > 2. You want each logged in admin to have their own personal dashboard of > list admin pages for lists they administrate, even though they're all under > one big domain. > > (Neither of those scenarios talks about archives, since you say you're > only talking about postorious) > > I think #2 is something we should be doing, and the old "todo" section of > the interface kind of was made with that in mind. Probably worth mocking > up some screenshots and opening a feature request to keep the idea in mind, > but it should be more a matter of prioritizing how things are displayed > than any huge change. > > I'm not sure if we have a "local admin" concept in the system that lines > up with #1, though. > > Ok, this would more like number 2. It's National.dogclub.com with its various mailing lists like poodle.dogclub.com, which expands to poodle-regionA.dogclub.com, poodle-regionB.dogclub.com, poodle-regiionC.dogclub.com and so on. So with dozens of different dog breeds and geographic chapters, the number of mailing lists are between 500 and 1000, but all are under the same dogclub.com domain. The members of each list should be maintained by a person with some elevated rights, but not enough to mess up the system. What I called "local admin" should have rights to add and remove members of, say, the poodle-regionA mailing list.

8 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 stopped working after Upgrade to Ubuntu 21.04

by Mark Sapiro

On 8/8/21 4:41 AM, Thomas Möhle via Mailman-users wrote: > Hey Mark, > > thanks for your reply!> In what way? Do list posts get delivered? What > works and what doesn't? > > What are the observable symptoms for things that don't work? > Yes, mails are not delivered. You can send a mail to the mailinglist > without getting a bounce, but you will not receive the mail back through > mailman. > In addition to that, I'm unable to edit mailing lists in the web > interface. After clicking on a list, I'll get a 404. > Plus, I noticed that mailman is constantly writing files to > /var/lib/mailman3/queue/out/ but they seem to get deleted right away > again. I'm getting alot of IO there though. So messages are being queued for the outgoing runner and then something is done with them. If there are no errors in mailman.log about this and nothing in the shunt queue, they are being delivered to the MTA. What's in the MTAs logs? > > What do you get for example if you go in a web browser with hyperkitty > > running to > > > > > https://mail.bitkomplex.de/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls?mlist=landw… > > I get a small gziped json file back. Key is "url", value is a link to a > message. OK. That's correct and it seems that Mailman core can communicate with the HyperKitty API, at least when HyperKitty is running. > > And please don't post secret keys and change the value of api_key: in > > mailman-hyperkitty.cfg and the corresponding value in > > MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY in your Django settings. > I actually tried to redact the logs and config files, but I must have > failed to save my edits on that one file. I'll change it right away. The key was in the mailman-hyperkitty.cfg file you posted and was in multiple entries in mailman-web.log. There is some strangeness in the logs you posted. Mailman.log contains many of these: Aug 07 12:49:55 2021 (2343598) HyperKitty failure on https://mail.example.com/mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls: <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN"> <html><head> <title>503 Service Unavailable</title> </head><body> <h1>Service Unavailable</h1> <p>The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.</p> </body></html> (503) and mailman-web log contains many of these [pid: 2343625|app: 0|req: 1/1] 10.133.3.2 () {60 vars in 1350 bytes} [Sat Aug 7 12:49:58 2021] GET /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls?mlist=aussen%40lists.example2.com&msgid=002601d777e2%244c34c540%24e49e4fc0%24%40example2.com&key=g8nOyDVbCNsi18L%2FjgTj%2BWDVKUQ2XeQM => generated 131 bytes in 279 msecs (HTTP/1.1 200) 5 headers in 160 bytes (1 switches on core 0) which actually seem normal except for the quantity, but the time stamps don't correlate. There's nothing in mailman-web.log for the times of the 'HyperKitty failure' messages in mailman.log. Was the web service even up during those times. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Unknown attribute: max_message_size

by Simon Hanna

On 12/06/2017 11:40 AM, Thor Atle Rustad wrote: > If I make changes here: > https://example.com/postorius/lists/test2.example.com/settings/message_acce…, > I get a warning that the Maximum Message Size field at the bottom is > mandatory. However, if I put a number in that field and save, I get > "Unknown attribute: max_message_size". That makes sense, since Mark states > in > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > that max_messages_size is not exposed in REST. It is. https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/merge_requests/329 > > What to do? > > I have Maxking mailman-docker but can easily copy files into the image if > necessary. Are you sure you have up to date images?

8 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Dealing with recipients' servers spam filtering

by Brian Carpenter

On 2/12/21 10:59 AM, Gilles Filippini wrote: > It says: host mx1.free.fr[212.27.48.7] said: 550 spam detected > (in reply to end of DATA command) I don't have any SPF record setup. > DMARC mitigation is configured to 'Replace From: with list address' > and 'DMARC mitigate unconditionally' set to 'No'. Well make sure you set up SPF records for your list domains. They do help in mail delivery. I personally set DMARC mitigate unconditionally to yes for my lists. Unfortunately the 550 spam detected message is too generalized to be helpful. If you have more informative information from your logs then please share them. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: A little stuck with installation of MM3 - ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'flufl.lock'

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/28/20 2:34 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > So, now I remember why I had to chown -R mailman3 /opt/mailman > Then now it seems like I have been doing things incorrectly, because I have > been doing > a lot of operations as root by simply: > cd /opt/mailman/mm > virtualenv venv > source venv/bin/activate > Looks like the correct way is to start with su - mailman3 Yes. All those things should be done as the Mailman user. >>> PS: There is the issue with qcluster, which doesn't seem to have been ... > I have run it from supervisord. It has forked 30 processes and refuses to > kill them when I stop supervisord. > I will look for options around it. I know nothing about supervisord, but there should be a parent process. E.g., here > msapiro@mail:~$ ps -fwwu mailman|grep qcluster > mailman 2885 1 0 Jul18 ? 00:00:00 /bin/bash /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman-web-django-admin qcluster > mailman 2889 2885 0 Jul18 ? 00:01:57 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/django-admin qcluster > mailman 2930 2889 0 Jul18 ? 01:21:03 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/django-admin qcluster > mailman 2944 2930 0 Jul18 ? 00:04:17 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/django-admin qcluster > mailman 2945 2930 3 Jul18 ? 07:11:14 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/django-admin qcluster > mailman 6467 2930 0 15:39 ? 00:00:03 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/django-admin qcluster > mailman 12337 2930 0 15:00 ? 00:00:07 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/django-admin qcluster > mailman 12639 2930 0 11:08 ? 00:00:11 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/django-admin qcluster > mailman 14658 2930 0 Jul27 ? 00:00:22 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/django-admin qcluster > mailman 15860 2930 0 01:41 ? 00:00:21 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/django-admin qcluster > mailman 19205 2930 0 Jul27 ? 00:00:29 /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/python /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/django-admin qcluster > msapiro@mail:~$ pid 2885 is the parent which forked 2889 which in turn forked 2930 which forked all the others. stopping (sigterm) 2885 in this case will stop them all. I have seen an issue on one server where some of the qcluster workers become orphaned and their parent pid is 1. These are left when I stop the upstart service so I have this script. #! /bin/bash if echo `status qcluster` | grep -q 'running' ; then echo qcluster is running exit fi ps -fwwu mailman|grep '[a]dmin qcluster'|awk '{print $2}'|xargs kill to kill them. > PS: Did you by any chance find time to look into the issue about wsgi.py > that you had mentioned - the one that has me > stuck using it?? If you're referring to the issue at the end of <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…>, I think that was caused by your not having the __init__.py file in /opt/mailman/mm/. If not, I probably need more information. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] MIME Digests with posts and index inline likewise Plain Text Digests

by Henrik Rasmussen

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand, Mailman attaches posts in a MIME Digest mail intead of inline in the digest mail itself, like Plain Text Digests does. Some mail readers like Gmail eventually displays attachments inline anyway, but readers like Outlook do not. Also the digest index seems to be posted as an attachment in MIME Digests. Would it be possible for Mailman to send both posts and index inline in the MIME digest? I am pretty sure it's not a feature yet, but if Mailman would be able to, I will submit an issue in core (I presume). /Henrik Rasmussen

7 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Error after HyperKitty 1.3.x upgrade

by Florian Schulze

Hi! After upgrading to HyperKitty 1.3.x I get the following error for qcluster: File ".../lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_q/cluster.py", line 300, in pusher task = SignedPackage.loads(task[1]) File ".../lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_q/signing.py", line 31, in loads serializer=PickleSerializer) File ".../lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_q/core_signing.py", line 38, in loads return serializer().loads(data) File ".../lib/python3.7/site-packages/django_q/signing.py", line 44, in loads return pickle.loads(data) AttributeError: Can't get attribute 'process_task_result' on <module 'hyperkitty.tasks' from '.../lib/python3.7/site-packages/hyperkitty/tasks.py'> How do I recover from that? It seems like there are still persisted tasks in the qcluster queue using the old code from 1.2.x with the old locking implementation. Regards, Florian Schulze

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Rebuilding a list index fails

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/16/21 9:59 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: > Now that I’ve got my instance back up and running on the latest released code, I am trying to rebuild a list index. I am using Xapian via haystack, which worked beautifully before my recent list meltdown. > > Error messages below. > > rebuild_index fails with the same error. > > This is with django version 3.0.12. django.utils.six was removed in Django 3.0. See <https://pypi.org/project/django-utils-six/> for a work around replacement. I.e. in your venv do pip install django-utils-six -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: "Unsubscribe all" failed with large lists

by Alan So

Alan So wrote: > Thanks. > We are still using Postorius 1.2.4 and Mailman core 3.2.0. However, there is no such > issue. Is this specific to Postorius 1.3.x or a result of using together with Mailman > core 3.3.2? Postorius 1.2.4 is probably not using mass-unsubscribe API. > We are planning to upgrade Mailman core first to solve another issue and upgrade > Postorius a bit later. Just figure out that our production environment with Mailman core 3.2.0 do reply with the API call /3.1/lists/listname.domain/roster/member even for long lists though it takes long time to complete. However, Mailman core 3.3.2 simply give empty reply with long lists after around a minute.

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Error on timeout vs retry values

by Andrew Hodgson

Abhilash Raj wrote: > On Aug 24, 2021, at 1:00 PM, Andrew Hodgson <andrew(a)hodgson.io> wrote: >> >> I just received the same error this evening when rebuilding Mailman3 on a new Debian 11 instal. There is a later version of Django on the new install. >> >> I got the original settings from the Mailman-Suite Gitlab project. I have made the modification but does this need to be made in that Gitlab project as well as that is where a lot of folks are getting their base Settings.py from? >I have just updated the mailman-suite gitlab project with this change. Thanks for doing this all working this end. Andrew.

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Issues with cross posted emails after upgrading to mailman 3.3.6

by Mark Sapiro

Simon Coggins wrote: > On 7 Nov 2021, at 10:54 am, Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.netmailto:mark@msapiro.net> wrote: > I wound up taking a different approach. I check for other references to > the message in the message store and only delete the message if there > are none. The fix is at > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/932/diffshttps://gitlab… > Oh nice. That seems like a sensible solution. Thanks for tackling so quickly. I’ll do some testing today and roll it out once testing is complete. I made a small change to defend against 'impossible' situations. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/933/diffs

4 years, 5 months

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