On 4/23/23 03:51, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 8:19 PM Dave McGuire <mcguire@neurotica.com> wrote:
On 4/22/23 11:02, Stephen Daniel wrote:
I run a number of small lists for my neighborhood association. The largest of these is ~120 users. Typical volumes are about 2 messages/day.
In the past week or so a number of users who use gmail as their email client have complained that list emails have been going to spam or "promotions" folders. I've always had 1 or 2 users who had trouble receiving mails, but this seems to be a significant percentage of all gmail users.
I have DMARC mitigation set to unconditional, and the DMARC action set to "Replace From: with list address".
My emails are sent using google workspace as my SMTP relay.
I'm trying to teach my users to whitelist the list domain, but they are not, in general, a tech-savvy bunch, so it is slow going.
Anyone else suddenly having trouble with gmail? Any suggestions?
This started a couple of years ago, and it has become much worse overtime. It's not just lists, it's any email that originates from a server that isn't Google's. Even servers with sterling reputations, and ones which have gone through the BS of "registering" with Google. It does nothing.
It's a not-so-subtle hint that Google wants to handle YOUR mail too,so they can data-mine it and make even more money.
By and large, gmail users are blissfully ignorant of this and for themost part don't seem to care. All they know is they don't see much spam. You get blank stares when you tell them about this and explain to them that if they receive a service for free, THEY are the product. "But it's eeeeaaaaasier!"
It's disgusting, Google ignores any attempt at communication, andthere doesn't appear that anything can be done.
This isn't necessarily true, from my experience. I had troubles with Yahoo and its affiliates and even 'suggested' to my members to ditch Yahoo for Gmail. [10:46 mm ]$ cat mylistmembers.txt | grep "gmail.com" | wc -l 849 I have that many subscribers using gmail.com and I don't have any problems with Gmail. I have all my SPF|DKIM|DMARC records properly set and yes, I also have DMARC mitigation set to unconditional, and the DMARC action set to "Replace From: with list address".
I was speaking of the general case of "getting non-Google-origin email into gmail", not "mailing lists with gmail". The problems are widespread and well-known.
-Dave-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA