All,
This disconnect between Mailman Core and Django and Postorius is, by far, the weakest and, for subscribers, most confusing aspect of MM3 (once it has been installed, which is extremely hard and confusing).
In a true account-centric system, you set up a web account and from there manage your emails and, for each email, your subscriptions. Subscription options would be hierarchical: account/email/list, with lower levels inheriting/overriding settings from/the level above.
That’s really what I had expected when I pushed for us to move our 50 email lists to MM3 and I was very excited about the prospect, as it would solve a lot of system/subscriber management issues I had managing MM2.
Alas, I was very surprised that that’s not how MM3 works. Some things got harder, even, such as the inability to change subscription addresses, which should have been a showstopper from the start! I still hope that MMxx OOTB will get there, but I guess it’ll be along haul. Would we be talking about MM4 to be released 20 years from now?
Some dedicated and skilled developers are currently investing heavily in a replacement for Postorius, but I really believe that any work is better spent transforming Mailman Core etc. into a true account-based system. Then, and only then, will it make sense to build new and better interfaces on top, as, without a healthy core, such interface will currently may have to inherit the confusion and disconnect that currently is so aggravating.
The above is not meant to aggravate the MM3 development team, for which I have utmost respect and gratitude, and which I admire for their tireless support given over decades to the community of admins. Software development is devilishly hard and time consuming.
Yours,
Allan Hansen hansen@rc.org
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From: Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Removing a mail addresses and users Date: June 10, 2020 at 12:46:01 PDT To: mailman-users@mailman3.org
On 6/10/20 10:23 AM, Abhijith PA via Mailman-users wrote:
Hello.
I tried to remove random email address signing ups (which I signed up while testing) via admin panel. After removing I tried to sign up again, but I am getting,
'A user is already registered with this e-mail address'
You removed the user's subscription from the list, but you didn't remove the user from the system.
Mailman3 has a concept of
userwhich didn't exist in Mailman 2.1. User's have addresses and a user or one of the user's addresses can belong to a list with one or more roles (non-member, member, moderator or owner)Combing through the database, I found auth_user table in mailman3web db still contain those mail address. How to wipe email address entirely from the db so I can signup again without the 'forget password' method
There are a couple of things. If you log in to the web UI as a django superuser, you can go to the django admin UI -> Users section and delete the User, but I think that will only delete the web user and not delete the user from Mailman core.
You can also log in to the web UI as the user and go to <https://lists.mailman3.org/user-profile/delete>, but that again only deletes the web user, and if you could do that, you could just subscribe once you're logged in, so I assume that's what you want to avoid.
I don't think there is a way for a user as opposed to a site admin to delete her user record from Mailman core and even for a site admin, there's no way in Postorius to delete a user from core. It has to be done via REST <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/users.html#deleting-users-via-the-api> or
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