I have found that when a user is subscribed with a non-Google address and has a setup that sends incoming email to a Google address, then Google will bounce the message due to DKIM errors and the non-Google address will eventually get disabled.
To fix this I tell my users that they need to subscribe with their Google address if that's where the messages eventually end up. When they do, they no longer have issues.
It did take us some time this winter, though, to get our DKIM records into a state that Google would accept, but it's now working OK.
Yours,
AllanOn 4/23/23, 08:21, "Odhiambo Washington" <odhiambo@gmail.com <mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 6:01 PM Dave McGuire <mcguire@neurotica.com <mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com>> wrote:
On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 8:19 PM Dave McGuire <mcguire@neurotica.com <mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com>> wrote:
On 4/22/23 11:02, Stephen Daniel wrote:
I run a number of small lists for my neighborhood association. The largest of these is ~120 users. Typical volumes are about 2 messages/day.
In the past week or so a number of users who use gmail as their email client have complained that list emails have been going to spam or "promotions" folders. I've always had 1 or 2 users who had trouble receiving mails, but this seems to be a significant percentage of all gmail users.
I have DMARC mitigation set to unconditional, and the DMARC action set to "Replace From: with list address".
My emails are sent using google workspace as my SMTP relay.
I'm trying to teach my users to whitelist the list domain, but they are not, in general, a tech-savvy bunch, so it is slow going.
Anyone else suddenly having trouble with gmail? Any suggestions?
This started a couple of years ago, and it has become much worse over time. It's not just lists, it's any email that originates from a server that isn't Google's. Even servers with sterling reputations, and ones which have gone through the BS of "registering" with Google. It does nothing.
It's a not-so-subtle hint that Google wants to handle YOUR mail too, so they can data-mine it and make even more money.
By and large, gmail users are blissfully ignorant of this and for
most part don't seem to care. All they know is they don't see much spam. You get blank stares when you tell them about this and explain to them that if they receive a service for free, THEY are the product. "But it's eeeeaaaaasier!"
It's disgusting, Google ignores any attempt at communication, and there doesn't appear that anything can be done.
This isn't necessarily true, from my experience. I had troubles with Yahoo and its affiliates and even 'suggested' to my members to ditch Yahoo for Gmail. [10:46 mm ]$ cat mylistmembers.txt | grep "gmail.com" | wc -l 849 I have that many subscribers using gmail.com and I don't have any
On 4/23/23 03:51, Odhiambo Washington wrote: the problems
with Gmail. I have all my SPF|DKIM|DMARC records properly set and yes, I also have DMARC mitigation set to unconditional, and the DMARC action set to "Replace From: with list address".
I was speaking of the general case of "getting non-Google-origin email into gmail", not "mailing lists with gmail". The problems are widespread and well-known.
I am sorry I am not aware. I haven't seen that being discussed in mailop ( mailop@mailop.org <mailto:mailop@mailop.org>) which is my main source. I have also setup several mail servers and I haven't had any issue delivering to Gmail.
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