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[MM3-users] Re: redirecting -bounces replies

by Hirayama, Pat

Hi Mark, Thank you for your reply. I admit that I don't know Mailman 3 as well as I knew Mailman 2. And the 2 -> 3 upgrade was handled by someone else, who has since left the org. As near as I have been able to discern, Mailman 3 is running on a docker host with four containers running, with mailman, postfix, nginx and django-uswgi in separate containers. % sudo docker ps CONTAINER ID IMAGE COMMAND CREATED STATUS PORTS NAMES 1b4262f81b98 mailman-nginx:1.21.3 "/docker-entrypoint.…" 3 years ago Up 3 weeks 0.0.0.0:80->80/tcp, 0.0.0.0:443->443/tcp mailman-nginx a5e4fa75ccb3 mailman-postfix:3.5.10-r0 "postfix start-fg" 4 years ago Up 2 weeks 0.0.0.0:25->25/tcp mailman-postfix 7a358c807714 mailman-django-uwsgi:2.0.19.1 "uwsgi --ini uwsgi.i…" 4 years ago Up 3 weeks 8000/tcp mailman-django-uwsgi 9a917897da10 mailman-core:3.3.1 "master" 4 years ago Up 3 weeks 24/tcp, 8001/tcp mailman-core When I look at main.cf inside mailman-postfix: transport_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/var/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/var/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = hash:/opt/mailman/var/data/postfix_domains virtual_alias_maps = hash:/opt/mailman/var/data/postfix_vmap-exceptions, hash:/opt/mailman/var/data/postfix_vmap When I look at the domains in mailman-core, I see: >>> show_domains() <Domain fhcrc.org> <Domain fredhutch.org> <Domain lists.fhcrc.org, , alias: lists.fredhutch.org> <Domain lists.hanc.info, , alias: > - owner: cit-sys-engineering(a)fredhutch.org >>> When I look at /opt/mailman/var/data/postfix_domains inside the postfix container, that seems to match: fredhutch.org fredhutch.org lists.fredhutch.org lists.fhcrc.org lists.hanc.info lists.hanc.info Now, when I look at the entries for a test list on lists.fhcrc.org, postfix_vmap looks like: pattest(a)lists.fhcrc.org pattest(a)lists.fredhutch.org pattest-bounces(a)lists.fhcrc.org pattest-bounces(a)lists.fredhutch.org pattest-confirm(a)lists.fhcrc.org pattest-confirm(a)lists.fredhutch.org pattest-join(a)lists.fhcrc.org pattest-join(a)lists.fredhutch.org pattest-leave(a)lists.fhcrc.org pattest-leave(a)lists.fredhutch.org pattest-owner(a)lists.fhcrc.org pattest-owner(a)lists.fredhutch.org pattest-request(a)lists.fhcrc.org pattest-request(a)lists.fredhutch.org pattest-subscribe(a)lists.fhcrc.org pattest-subscribe(a)lists.fredhutch.org pattest-unsubscribe(a)lists.fhcrc.org pattest-unsubscribe(a)lists.fredhutch.org and postfix_lmtp looks like: pattest(a)lists.fredhutch.org lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 pattest-bounces(a)lists.fredhutch.org lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 pattest-confirm(a)lists.fredhutch.org lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 pattest-join(a)lists.fredhutch.org lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 pattest-leave(a)lists.fredhutch.org lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 pattest-owner(a)lists.fredhutch.org lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 pattest-request(a)lists.fredhutch.org lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 pattest-subscribe(a)lists.fredhutch.org lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 pattest-unsubscribe(a)lists.fredhutch.org lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 But for a test list on lists.hanc.info (the lists that I want to modify the bounce processing for), there is nothing in postfix_vmap, but there are entries in postfix_lmtp: phtest(a)lists.hanc.info lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 phtest-bounces(a)lists.hanc.info lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 phtest-confirm(a)lists.hanc.info lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 phtest-join(a)lists.hanc.info lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 phtest-leave(a)lists.hanc.info lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 phtest-owner(a)lists.hanc.info lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 phtest-request(a)lists.hanc.info lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 phtest-subscribe(a)lists.hanc.info lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 phtest-unsubscribe(a)lists.hanc.info lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 And in postfix_vmap-exceptions, I added: phtest-bounces(a)lists.hanc.info lmtp:[mailman-core]:24, user(a)gmail.com I tried the above with and without a comma, and moving the email address before the lmtp entry as well. Everything else seems to be working — there are over 40k lmtp: entries in postfix_lmtp, and messages are being delivered. I sort of assumed that the lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 thing was a result of all this being dockerized.... Suggestions appreciated. Thanks, -p Pat Hirayama Pronouns: he/him/his Systems Engineer IT | Systems Engineering Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center O 206.667.4856 phirayam(a)fredhutch.org ________________________________ From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2025 09:33 To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Subject: [MM3-users] Re: redirecting -bounces replies CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. On 6/25/25 10:53, Hirayama, Pat wrote: > Thanks, Mark. > > I (finally) started working on this ... and in trying to implement your suggestion — ran into a problem, I think. > > The current postfix_vmap has entries like: > > list-bounces(a)lists.domain.info lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 This looks very strange. It should be something like ``` list-bounces(a)lists.domain.info list-bounces(a)alias.domain ``` where alias.domain is the configured alias domain for the mail host lists.domain.info. > So, when I try adding entries to a separate vmap file, like: > > list-bounces(a)lists.domain.info lmtp:[mailman-core]:24, user(a)gmail.com > > It only goes through normal bounce processing. > > If I do: > > list-bounces(a)lists.domain.info user(a)gmail.com, lmtp:[mailman-core]:24 > > Then it goes to the gmail address, and no bounce processing happens. The issue here is the value `lmtp:[mailman-core]:24` is completely wrong. It should be an email address with a syntactically valid domain name. The domain name isn't a real domain. It is only a name exposed to Postorius in the postfix_vmap and postfix_lmtp files. What do you have configured for the alias domain for the lists.domain.info domain? See https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/l… If you have this properly configured, adding user(a)gmail.com in either order in postfix_vmap should work. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailm… Archived at: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailma… This message sent to phirayam(a)fredhutch.org

5 months, 2 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Problem with redirection when entering alias without a / at the end

by Jens Günther

Am 19.03.21 um 23:04 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 3/19/21 2:55 PM, Jens Günther wrote: >> >> When I want to get to Mailman Starting Page now I need to Enter the >> following URL: https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman3/ to be directly >> redirected as expected to >> https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman3/postorius/lists/ -> works. >> >> Problem: When leave out the slash at the end and I ONLY enter the >> following URL: https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman3 -> then I'm wrongly >> redirected to a page, taht does not exist: >> https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman/postorius/lists/ -> 404 > > > Huh? that is the same URL as the one above that you say works. Do you > mean https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman/postorius/lists without the slash or > what. Here is the difference: https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman3/ https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman3 -> the first one works and leeds to https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman3/postorius/lists -> the second one redirects to https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman/postorius/lists -> which does not exist, since Apache-alias is only for mailman3 >> Where can I change this misbehaviour? In Apache-conf everything seems as >> it's in the docs, for the vHost I do not have any other custom settings. > > > What is the exact content of your RedirectMatch or ReweriteRule or > whatebver you are using? > I only use the apache-conf given in the documentation: <code> Alias /mailman3/favicon.ico /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/postorius/img/favicon.ico Alias /mailman3/static /var/lib/mailman3/web/static <Directory "/var/lib/mailman3/web/static"> Require all granted </Directory> <IfModule mod_proxy_uwsgi.c> ProxyPass /mailman3/favicon.ico ! ProxyPass /mailman3/static ! ProxyPass /mailman3 unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost/ </IfModule> </code>

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: getting all registered users and their lists

by IOhannes m zmoelnig

On 1/26/22 17:19, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 1/26/22 00:16, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > > You can do this in mailman shell[...]> ``` > >>> from datetime import datetime > >>> um = getUtility(IUserManager) > >>> for usr in um.users: > ... if len(list(usr.memberships.members)) > 0: > ... continue > ... if usr.created_on < datetime(2022, 1, 1): > ... continue > ... adr = usr.addresses[0] > ... print(f'Name: {adr.display_name}, Email: {adr.email}, Created: > {usr.created_on}') > ... > ``` > perfect. that did the trick, thanks a lot. >> is there a scriptable way to get all users that have registered in my >> mailman3 (3.2.1) instance and which lists they are subscribed to (if >> any)? > > It's in Postorius >= 1.3.6 i'm not entirely sure how this relates to the above (working) snippet. is it, that with postorious>=1.3.6 i would be able to perform that task from the webinterface, rather than having to resort to 'mailman shell'? in any case, this might be related: before i received your email with the 'mailman shell' snippet, i scraped some bits of my django knowledge and visited <https://lists.example.com/admin> (the django admin interface), and noticed the list of users there. so i scraped that page for users (assuming that this was the list of registered users). then i get myself a list of all subscribers in my instance, using a crude `mailman lists | grep "@" | while read l; do mailman members "${l}"; done | sort -u`. finally i calculated the difference between the two sets. interestingly the results are quite different from the ones i got from your script: both sets contain users that are not in the other set. how come? gfmdras IOhannes

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Set domain inactive / archive import from other domain.

by Johannes Winter

Am Sat, 15 Sep 2018 09:31:53 -0700 schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > On 09/15/2018 07:15 AM, Johannes Winter wrote: > > > > we've migrated a list from another domain and would like to keep the > > archives. Hyperkitty doesn't recognize the emails in the mbox > > archive during import due to the other domain name. > > > I don't understand the problem. I just ran a test where I imported a > mbox containing 3 messages which were not even list posts and in > which I had changed all the domain names to 'example.com'. I.e., in > the mbox I imported, the headers containing domain names looked like > > From root(a)example.com Sun Aug 26 09:12:06 2018 > Return-Path: <root(a)example.com> > Delivered-To: root(a)example.com > Received: by example.com (Postfix, from userid 0) > From: Anacron <root(a)example.com> > To: root(a)example.com > Message-Id: <20180826161158.F154D34010C(a)example.com> > X-msapiro-MailScanner-From: root(a)example.com > > and the 3 messages were all added to the archive. > > Why do you think the domain name is an issue? Perhaps the issue is > there is already one or more messages in the archive and the messages > you are importing are older. If you don't specify --since to > hyperkitty_import it won't import messages older than the newest > message in the existing archive. Thanks a lot for your excellent and fast support! That was the problem. Maybe it would be wise to include that into the help of the hyperkitty_import command? Although this command successfully imported 3/4 of the huge (1.7GB) mbox, it stumbled upon an error after some minutes: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/200 -- Johannes Winter matrix: @yova:matrix.allmende.io

7 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: SPF check fails for lists subdomain

by Odhiambo Washington

On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 10:56 AM Jan Eden via Mailman-users < mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > On 2023-01-04 15:07, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > On 1/4/23 14:02, Jan Eden via Mailman-users wrote: > > > > Although I could specify the IP address in my SPF records directly (as > > > you suggested), I do hope that my understanding of DNS records laid out > > > above is not entirely misguided. My current setup does work as expected > > > for eden.one, after all. > > > > As I said at < > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > > > I was misreading your DNS and now I am as puzzled as you about the > failure. > > It gets even more mysterious. I tried sending messages from both > lists.eden.one and janeden.net (my other domain) to a gmail account and > to another mail provider. Both messages passed the SPF checks on both > services (s. the relevant headers quoted below). Now because I send > those messages via my SMTP user (smtpuser(a)eden.one) and use SRS, the SPF > check operates (and succeeds) on e.g. > > srs0=jdm+=5c=lists.eden.one=testlist-bounces+gmailuser=googlemail.com(a)eden.one > (and not on somethingsomething(a)lists.eden.one or > somethingsomething(a)janeden.net) Could this be the reason for the failed > SPF checks in Yahoo's and Google's DMARC reports? > > - Jan > Might you be willing to use proven tools instead of trying so hard to understand the myth? I use https://easydmarc.com/tools#spf-tools It allows me to generate, lookup, test SPF, DKIM, DMARC, etc. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 not working following distribution upgrade from Debian 10 to 11.

by David Newman

On 1/11/22 12:39 PM, gordon(a)dickens.com wrote: > 2) Install mailman3 using the venv and web instructions as suggested in this thread. I plan to use mysql (mariadb) since my database was originally implemented with mysql. I too use MariaDB. Here are the MariaDB-specific variations from the venv and web docs: 1. Before going through the venv docs I installed these packages: libmariadb3 libmariadb-dev default-libmysqlclient-dev 2. When installing mailman in venv, I did this: (venv)$ pip install --upgrade pip (venv)$ pip install wheel mailman pymysql mysqlclient 3. In /etc/mailman.cfg, the database config looks like this: .. [database] class: mailman.database.mysql.MySQLDatabase url: mysql+pymysql://myuser:mypassword@mymysqlhost/mailman?charset=utf8mb4&use_unicode=1 .. The url is all one line (it's wrapping in my mail client). 4. The [Unit] section of /etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service looks like this: [Unit] Description=GNU Mailing List Manager After=syslog.target network.target mariadb.service .. Note that this is on a Debian 11 system. On Debian 10 and previous, it'd be mysql.service instead of mariadb.service. 5. The settings.py file includes this section: .. # MySQL database setup. DATABASES = { 'default': { 'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.mysql', 'NAME': 'mailmanweb', 'USER': 'mailman', 'PASSWORD': '<password>', 'HOST': 'localhost', 'PORT': '', 'OPTIONS': {'charset': 'utf8mb4'} # Enable utf8 4-byte encodings. } } .. Note that your NAME, USER, PASSWORD, and possibly HOST may differ. 6. The [Unit] section of /etc/systemd/system/mailmanweb.service looks like this: [Unit] Description=GNU Mailman Web UI After=syslog.target network.target mariadb.service mailman3.service .. Same caveat as with step 4 that this is for Debian 11, and you'd use mysql.service instead on Debian 10 and previous. I think that's all the changes, but if I've omitted something I hope Mark Sapiro or someone else can step in. dn

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman 2.1 or 3.0 (or another MLM)

by nate

On 2022-01-26 9:37, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Posts to this list from non-members are discarded without notice. OK good to know, thanks. Didn't want one of my main email addresses to be leaked to the list (I have ~550 email addresses normally have one per purpose). > Your initial post was held because all new members are moderated by > default. This is an anti-spam measure. If you post on topic, we clear > your moderation. Can I suggest the messaging to new users be improved to communicate this situation as it is not clear. The automated message I got said this was the reason my message was held: The message comes from a moderated member. Which makes sense if I REALLY think about it(I was a moderated member at first), but then the next question is why was I moderated. Your explanation makes sense. It would be nice if it had more info along the lines of what you said, or even better adjust the messaging for the "Welcome" email to indicate your first message(s) will be held for moderation(I checked both emails I got back from the list just now to verify this info is not there). I was confused for a while(again 21 year veteran of mailman) thinking I sent my message using the wrong email address, after confirming I sent with the right one I just decided to wait to see what would happen. If you can adjust the messaging it would be good I think to make it really clear all CAPS, or putting **** message here **** in the email so it really stands out to the new users what the situation is. > And yes, Mailman 3 doesn't (yet?) have a way for ordinary users to > delete their own held posts. good to know too, thanks! nate

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Things I miss about mailman2

by Quanah Gibson-Mount

Hi Mark, --On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 1:43 PM -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > The message comes from Mailman core. Mailman core does not know what > web management UI you are using or the URI to access it. You need to > change the template for the message to include the URL. Ok great, thank you!. >> b) When a post is made to a moderated list in mailman2, when I went to >> the page to approve/deny/discard, there was additionally an option to >> remove the moderated flag from the user for all future emails. This >> option no longer exists. This was EXTREMELY useful, as we force all new >> members of the list to be moderated for a time while we evaluate the >> quality of their postings. Now I have to go manually track down the >> user and their settings. Unnecessary extra hoops to jump through > > > Click on the subject in the held messages list. At the bottom of the > dialog that opens, there is a drop down to set the user's moderation. > Normally, you would set it to 'default processing'. I do not see any such option. After clicking on the header the only options available at the bottom are: Accept, Reject, Discard, Show Source, Show Header There are zero drop downs anywhere. > This was not "removed". It just hasn't been implemented in MM 3 yet. So in terms of available functionality that was present in MM2, it was removed. It may need to be re-implemented, but this was a core feature that was present in the prior version that is no longer available. --Quasnah -- Quanah Gibson-Mount Product Architect Symas Corporation Packaged, certified, and supported LDAP solutions powered by OpenLDAP: <http://www.symas.com>

5 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Change digest frequency and default threshold

by Henrik Rasmussen

Thanks for the hints. It looks to be a file permission problem. I am not sure what the right persommions should be inside he container. Is there a command for checking file permissions, like the Mailman 2's command check_perms? I couldn't file one. Mark Sapiro wrote: > Something is going wrong in this process in DigestRunner. Is > DigestRunner running? Yes: 43 mailman 2:05 /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman.cfg --runner=digest:0:1 > Is there anything in Mailman's digest or shunt > queues? As of /opt/mailman/core/var/queue/digest/ and /opt/mailman/core/var/queue/shunt/ no, but there is three files in /opt/mailman/core/var/queue/bad/ -rw-rw---- 1 root root 398 Oct 10 14:42 1539175326.8246331+4b7e80db0d22f01c2d4363e323320fcd34560657.psv -rw-rw---- 1 root root 398 Oct 11 12:11 1539252672.3947155+ae2631d9f6514d74c77a38f09f821ee71515f9d9.psv -rw-rw---- 1 root root 398 Oct 11 12:24 1539253469.5928977+15b0842462ddd3abcac8d688e5bbb195b07409bc.psv They seems to be binary, buy strings reveal: mailman.email.message Message policy email._policybase Compat32 _headers _unixfrom _payload _charset preamble epilogue defects _default_type text/plain listid test.lists.example.com digest_path =/opt/mailman/var/lists/test.lists.example.com/digest.1.9.mmdf volume digest_number version _parsemsg If that reveals anything. > Is there anything logged in Mailman's 'mailman' log? It seem to say PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied, but inside the container, the directoried in /opt/mailman/var/queue is drwxrwx--- 2 mailman root 4096 Mar 14 2018 archive drwxrwx--- 2 mailman root 4096 Oct 12 10:14 bad drwxrwx--- 2 mailman root 4096 Mar 14 2018 bounces drwxrwx--- 2 mailman root 4096 Mar 14 2018 command drwxrwx--- 2 mailman root 4096 Oct 11 10:24 digest drwxrwx--- 2 mailman root 4096 Oct 12 10:07 in drwxrwx--- 2 mailman root 4096 Mar 14 2018 nntp drwxrwx--- 2 mailman root 4096 Oct 12 10:07 out drwxrwx--- 2 mailman root 4096 Oct 12 10:07 pipeline drwxrwx--- 2 mailman root 4096 Mar 26 2018 retry drwxrwx--- 2 mailman root 4096 Mar 14 2018 shunt drwxrwx--- 2 mailman root 4096 Oct 10 12:32 virgin Henrik Rasmussen

7 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: (Custom) Plugins: Proper file path(s) for adding a handler?

by Thomas Ward

Running into some nasty issues. I have a structure like this, installed as a package in the workspace once installed by pip in the venv: mailman_customizations/ __init__.py hooks.py <-- plugin definition in here as MailmanCustomizations for class name handlers/ __init__.py handlers.py <-- custom handler in here pipelines/ __init__.py pipelines.py <-- custom pipelines which implement the handlers here. However, whenever I specify this in config with this clause: [plugin.MailmanCustomizations] class: mailman_customizations.hooks.MailmanCustomizations enabled: no ... I get a hard load error on "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'MailmanCustomizations'" To confirm this is a Python module/class, I did a pure python shell with `from mailman_customizations.hooks import MailmanCustomizations` and it properly imports that class, so I'm not sure where to go from here in debugging. Thomas On 10/24/23 11:55, Thomas Ward via Mailman-users wrote: > Perfect, that should make things easier for me to install. > > Thank you kindly for all your support everyone! > > > Thomas > > > On 10/24/23 11:54, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> On 10/24/23 8:20 AM, Thomas Ward via Mailman-users wrote: >>> >>> This means I can install the code to anywhere on `sys.path` that the >>> system can detect and it does not need to be in the Mailman3 >>> library/directory space in the venv? >> >> Yes, as long as Mailman can import the class defined for the plugin >> in mailman.cfg, it will work. >> > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to teward(a)thomas-ward.net

2 years, 1 month

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