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[MM3-users] Re: Time Zone Issue in Postorius

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Henrik Rasmussen writes: > > Fra: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> > > It should be TIME_ZONE = 'UTC' > > > > Times passed from Mailman core are naive times, I.e. they don't have > > time zone info, but they are in UTC. Mark is saying that Mailman core converts to UTC. All times that come out of Mailman core in the relevant API are UTC. > As stackoverflow.com/questions/29311354/how-to-set-the-timezone-in-django > seems to say otherwise ("You can use TIME_ZONE = 'Europe/Istanbul'"), > to make sure, am I right to understand it as for Mailman, Danish time > should be stated as "TIME_ZONE = 'UTC+1' " with use of "USE_TZ = True"? No, USE_TZ=True means "hey Django, you need to add a time zone to this datetime." And you use TIME_ZONE=UTC (exactly), because this variable is *not* the local time zone, it's the time zone that Postorius tells Django to add to datetime objects that don't carry their timezone with them. There is a setting somewhere else that tells Django what time zone should be used for I/O. Steve

4 years

[MM3-users] Custom Archiver

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 4/1/23 16:33, Peter Knowles wrote: > > That all being said, on a slight segway... Aside from using the > > REST API, is it practical or possible to manipulate the database > > directly? That is, in doing so would it just work or are there > > extra moving parts when an API request is issued? > > It probably is possible, but I would definitely discourage it. The > REST API should provide everything you need without your having to > reimplement everything it does. I think it would probably be a really heavy lift, because Mailman internally uses an object-relational manager, SQAlchemy. We occasionally change the schema, and SQAalchemy will automatically upgrade the database schema. You would have to handle that by hand in your code. I would recommend you get the sources for mailmanclient (https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailmanclient, iirc). They're quite repetitive, you wouldn't want to literally port them, but once you're familiar with the scaffolding and a couple of the commands you should be able to write a lot of PHP really fast to cover the REST endpioints you most need in a library with an API to your taste. Steve

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: AttributeError: 'MailingList' object has no attribute 'get_requests_count'

by Shashikanth Komandoor

Can I go back to any previous version which is felt as working fine ? <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 11:43 AM Stephen J. Turnbull < turnbull.stephen.fw(a)u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote: > Mark Sapiro writes: > > > I think the issue is your mailmanclient is too old. The version of > > Postorius you are running requires mailmanclient >3.3.1 which is only > > available from GitLab <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailmanclient>. > > > > What version of Postorius is this? It appears to be >1.3.3. If you > > install Postorius from unreleased code on GitLab, you have to install > > all of mailman, mailmanclient and django-mailman3 as well. > > Shouldn't Postorius's setup.py be checking for this? > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

5 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman 3 Installation

by Mark Dadgar

On Jan 16, 2021, at 7:31 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 1/16/21 6:06 PM, bruce.dubbs(a)gmail.com wrote: >> I do have sqlite installed, but the documentation discusses mysql/mariadb and postresql. What are the considerations as to why I would need one of these other DBs? > > You can use sqlite, but if you don't already have a mysql/mariadb > database on the server, we recommend postgresql for performance and > robustness. I personally have had issues with mysql and use postgresql > on one production server that uses mysql for other applications. I’ll word this a little more strongly: do not use sqlite for a production server. Do not "just start with sqlite to get it running and then I’ll migrate it to something else down the road.” There is currently no validated way to migrate a mailman3 instance from sqlite to something else, and by “no validated way” what I actually mean is “no one has managed to get this to work, me included.” Put in the extra effort to start with posgresql or mysql/mariadb up front. You’ll regret it if you don’t. Ask me how I know. 😁 - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: How to promote non-members to members?

by Quanah Gibson-Mount

--On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 10:29 PM -0700 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 3/15/22 11:16, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: >> Hello, >> >> We have a constant issue with confirmation emails for subscribers >> getting lost and then the subscriber contacting us because their posts >> to the list never show up. Is there a way I can, as an administrator, >> do the confirmation on their behalf or in some other way promote them to >> being a member from non-member? > > See this thread > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/threa > d/MJOOH23W6EKZO7GI5HRDKB4S733JEEVG/ > > If they don't have an outstanding subscription waiting user confirmation, > you can just mass subscribe them. > > If they do and your Postorius and Mailman core is reasonably up to date, > you can find the pending request at Subscription requests -> Pending > Confirmation, delete it and then mass subscribe them. Hi Mark, Thanks for the response. Unfortunately I'm currently stuck with the junk shipped by Debian. Yet another reason to move to a standalone install and avoid their broken packages. Regards, Quanah

3 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: [NON-INTERNAL] Re: Missing Archived emails - Hyperkitty - CERT Issue

by Odhiambo Washington

PS: I beg you to put your responses below the last one. Makes the hierarchy look better. Now, have you edited your /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg and restarted MM3? On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 3:18 PM Willie Castillo < Willie.Castillo(a)caemilusa.com> wrote: > Odhiambo, long time no hear from you. Hope you are doing well. > > The last archived post for that specific list is July 3rd. 2025. We do not > see the one for July 25th. Also, I just noticed something else in the logs, > apparently the server is still having "SSLCertVerificationError" issues > even after updating the DigiCert, CA-Certificate,etc. I must be missing > something else. > > Based on that, looks like the archiving is failing still due to the > "SSLCertVerificationError". > > The spool directory now has 8 *.pck files in it. However, I do not see the > original ones from 7/25 > > ~# ll -t /opt/mailman/mm/var/archives/hyperkitty/spool/ > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 14725 Jul 29 08:07 > 1753790859.2498085+320096cb9852779b55a4cbb1e4f9603736ebd78d.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 15122 Jul 29 08:07 > 1753790859.2437658+7fddf881d592f27be60e32aa5b3c34c7077b9988.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 6399 Jul 29 08:07 > 1753790859.2370558+ee410eb31691bf2854cca46c64e80e3bf61c3523.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 26619 Jul 29 08:07 > 1753790859.230345+b2e70f5b65900731895bbee5a3d83401f1500567.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 15676 Jul 29 08:07 > 1753790859.2225533+82371c8a0202d62eaa046dd3633a23d6837d7a80.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 98273 Jul 29 08:07 > 1753790859.2136636+8ee9273fbbaf4352d482e69d177e2eb2824078a5.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 98109 Jul 29 08:07 > 1753790859.2026713+49d82ecd57eda7eaa582ba925449e2343bea5c56.pck > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 88479 Jul 29 08:07 > 1753790859.191489+162aa89dcac50ca6f5463ce1098c828728af12d1.pck > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo(a)gmail.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2025 7:59 AM > *To:* mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org>; Mark > Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> > *Cc:* Willie Castillo <Willie.Castillo(a)caemilusa.com> > *Subject:* Re: [MM3-users] Re: [NON-INTERNAL] Re: Missing Archived emails > - Hyperkitty - CERT Issue > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not > click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know > the content is safe. > > > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 2:25 PM Willie Castillo < > Willie.Castillo(a)caemilusa.com> wrote: > > The issue started right after the site's CERT expired. The CERT expired on > 7/8/25. This is what's in the log... > > Jul 16 15:19:45 2025 (3777209) Connection to HyperKitty failed: > HTTPSConnectionPool(host='XXX.com', port=443): Max retries exceeded with > url: /hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls?mlist=jmats-versions%40XXX.com (Caused by > SSLError(SSLCertVerificatio > nError(1, '[SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed: > certificate has expired (_ssl.c:1000)'))) > > The CERT has been updated but the 7/25 message is not archived still. > > > While at it, also edit your /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg to what > is documented so that the issue doesn't recur: > ``` > [general] > base_url: http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/ > <https://urldefense.us/v3/__http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives/__;!!E8b8mVbrrfWV…> > api_key: Secret_Hyperkitty_API_Key > ``` > > PS: I haven't seen your responses to @Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>'s > questions quoted below: > ``` > Did the new post get archived? If so, why is last post at still July 25, > 2025? If no, why not. The post must go to the archiver to cause the > queue to be processed. > > If the post was archived and the July 25 messages are still queued, > what's in Mailman's mailman.log. There should be error messages and > tracebacks indicating the issue. > ``` > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 > In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. > "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) > [How to ask smart questions: > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > <https://urldefense.us/v3/__http://www.catb.org/*esr/faqs/smart-questions.ht…> > ] > -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

6 months, 3 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot Install Web UI

by Andreas Vetter

On Montag, 20. Oktober 2025 19:56:39 CEST Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/20/25 10:32, Dennis Putnam via Mailman-users wrote: > > > I'm trying to install the web UI for mailman3. I am getting the > > following failure. Can someone help? TIA. > > > > (venv) mailman :~$ pip install mailman-web mailman-hyperkitty > > ... > > > FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > > > > '/tmp/pip-install-y364_cvm/cmarkgfm_9fcba25730114ac4a08d1e > > 7733112a45/src/cmarkgfm/cmark.cffi.h' > > > > [end of output] > > > > > > > > note: This error originates from a subprocess, and is likely not a > > > > problem with pip. > > error: subprocess-exited-with-error > > > > × Getting requirements to build wheel did not run successfully. > > │ exit code: 1 > > ╰─> See above for output. > > > > note: This error originates from a subprocess, and is likely not a > > problem with pip. > > > I think I've seen a similar error, but I don't recall what I did to work > around it. In this case cmarkgfm is a dependency of readme_renderer > which in turn is a dependency of postorius. > In your venv try > > pip install cmarkgfm > > first and then > > pip install mailman-web mailman-hyperkitty > > That may avoid this. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan It seems to me cmarkgfm is broken today. I tried to update it in my working environment and get the same error: (venv) mailman@lists:~> pip install -U cmarkgfm Requirement already satisfied: cmarkgfm in ./venv/lib64/python3.11/site- packages (2024.11.20) Collecting cmarkgfm Using cached cmarkgfm-2025.10.20.tar.gz (145 kB) Installing build dependencies ... done Getting requirements to build wheel ... error error: subprocess-exited-with-error × Getting requirements to build wheel did not run successfully. │ exit code: 1 ╰─> [41 lines of output] Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/pip/_vendor/ pyproject_hooks/_in_process/_in_process.py", line 389, in <module> main() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/pip/_vendor/ pyproject_hooks/_in_process/_in_process.py", line 373, in main json_out["return_val"] = hook(**hook_input["kwargs"]) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/pip/_vendor/ pyproject_hooks/_in_process/_in_process.py", line 143, in get_requires_for_build_wheel return hook(config_settings) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/tmp/pip-build-env-mdd_0nfr/overlay/lib/python3.11/site- packages/setuptools/build_meta.py", line 331, in get_requires_for_build_wheel return self._get_build_requires(config_settings, requirements=[]) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/tmp/pip-build-env-mdd_0nfr/overlay/lib/python3.11/site- packages/setuptools/build_meta.py", line 301, in _get_build_requires self.run_setup() File "/tmp/pip-build-env-mdd_0nfr/overlay/lib/python3.11/site- packages/setuptools/build_meta.py", line 317, in run_setup exec(code, locals()) File "<string>", line 5, in <module> File "/tmp/pip-build-env-mdd_0nfr/overlay/lib/python3.11/site- packages/setuptools/__init__.py", line 115, in setup return distutils.core.setup(**attrs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/tmp/pip-build-env-mdd_0nfr/overlay/lib/python3.11/site- packages/setuptools/_distutils/core.py", line 148, in setup _setup_distribution = dist = klass(attrs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/tmp/pip-build-env-mdd_0nfr/overlay/lib/python3.11/site- packages/setuptools/dist.py", line 321, in __init__ _Distribution.__init__(self, dist_attrs) File "/tmp/pip-build-env-mdd_0nfr/overlay/lib/python3.11/site- packages/setuptools/_distutils/dist.py", line 309, in __init__ self.finalize_options() File "/tmp/pip-build-env-mdd_0nfr/overlay/lib/python3.11/site- packages/setuptools/dist.py", line 784, in finalize_options ep(self) File "/tmp/pip-build-env-mdd_0nfr/overlay/lib/python3.11/site- packages/setuptools/dist.py", line 804, in _finalize_setup_keywords ep.load()(self, ep.name, value) File "/tmp/pip-build-env-mdd_0nfr/overlay/lib64/python3.11/site- packages/cffi/setuptools_ext.py", line 229, in cffi_modules add_cffi_module(dist, cffi_module) File "/tmp/pip-build-env-mdd_0nfr/overlay/lib64/python3.11/site- packages/cffi/setuptools_ext.py", line 50, in add_cffi_module execfile(build_file_name, mod_vars) File "/tmp/pip-build-env-mdd_0nfr/overlay/lib64/python3.11/site- packages/cffi/setuptools_ext.py", line 26, in execfile exec(code, glob, glob) File "src/cmarkgfm/build_cmark.py", line 21, in <module> with open(CMARK_DEF_H_PATH, encoding='utf-8') as fh: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/tmp/pip- install-8e12fhsc/cmarkgfm_dbeb0911a2014cbe9bb4b5b09ee7602f/src/cmarkgfm/ cmark.cffi.h' [end of output] note: This error originates from a subprocess, and is likely not a problem with pip. error: subprocess-exited-with-error × Getting requirements to build wheel did not run successfully. │ exit code: 1 ╰─> See above for output. note: This error originates from a subprocess, and is likely not a problem with pip. -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen, Andreas Vetter

3 months, 4 weeks

[MM3-users] Re: Chinese characters in list name shows question mark (?)

by Franklin Weng

Hi Mark, Mark Sapiro 於 2019/10/26 上午2:08 寫道: > The issue is the list welcome message is sent in the character set of > the new member's preferred language and if that is not set in the > subscription request, and it's not possible to do that in Postorius, it > defaults to the installation's preferred language. > > It should probably default to the list's preferred language. See > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/608> > > You have two choices: > > You can set the installation's default language by putting > > [mailman] > default_language: zh_TW > > in your mailman.cfg, or you can leave the default language English and > set the character set for English to utf-8 by putting > > [language.en] > charset: utf-8 > > in your mailman.cfg. Thanks for your help. After trying I found that it only worked when I set the [language.en] charset to utf-8. If I didn't set this but only set default_language in [mailman] section to zh_TW it still sent ? in the welcome messages. I commented in the issue. Thanks, Franklin

6 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman archive issues (Hyperkitty)

by Ruth Ivimey-Cook

On 03/06/2021 15:09, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 6/3/21 1:06 AM, Kimmo L wrote: >> Thanks for the quick replay! >> If its not a big trouble, could you kindly give me some advice/guide >> how upgrade my Hyperkitty/Postorius/Django from python2 to python3. >> I would be very grateful. > > > It depends heavily on how Mailman was installed to begin with, but > essentially you just upgrade the various components to the latest > versions using pip. Some things you need to be aware of are at > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/upgrade-3.2.html If you start with python libs installed using a package manager (apt, yum, etc) and later upgrade them using pip, make sure you lock the packages at their current version so they cannot be changed by package updates, or you'll eventually have the package manager do an unintended downgrade. It is usually best to start with a distinct installation from pip, into a python venv to avoid changing system libs. You can of course seed that install with the current setup first! Ruth -- Software Manager & Engineer Tel: 01223 414180 Blog: http://www.ivimey.org/blog LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ruthivimeycook/

4 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: nginx configuration on a multitasking server

by David Newman

On 12/23/21 9:18 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > However, that's not the issue. You originally reported and I didn't look > closely enough: > >> Update: The above worked fine until MM3 informed a list owner of >> pending subscription requests, with a URL like this: >> >> https://lists.example.com/mailman/admindb/listname >> >> and that URL returned a 404 error. > > > That URL is from a Mailman 2.1 installation. Are you still running > Mailman 2.1? I'm not, but that, and me not looking closely, was the problem. The system doesn't run MM2.1 any more, and no longer has it installed. But I failed to notice the dates on those 'admindb' messages: They were from the day of the upgrade, about 30 minutes before decommissioning MM2.1. And the docs do say explicitly to deal with any pending tasks before doing a cutover. The task-pending message that MM3 sends to list owners and moderators just says generically to check the dashboard, without providing a URL. Can that be modified to provide an explicit URL, something like this? https://lists.example.com/mailman3/lists/listname Thanks again for spotting this. dn

4 years, 1 month

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