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[MM3-users] Re: Apple Mail encoding again

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > First, we are not silently dropping this message. We are rejecting it at > LMTP time so the sender should be notified. Sure, but you know how users are about being told that their broken MUAs are spewing crap into the Internet. And most of them will get their mail back and will have no idea how to diagnose what the problem is, let alone repair it. > Then the broader question is should we accept all messages with > defects, almost all of which are spam, or only certain defects and > which ones. No (for the reason given), yes, and "it depends". This one I think we can pass through by default. Some lists might want to pass some of the defects that are characteristic of spam. For example, lists for projects developing MUAs in Japan. I regularly got mail with unencoded Japanese in Subject, display names, and occasionally Date at one point in time. > I note that Apple has now released Mail 16 so maybe they've fixed this. > My macs are still on Big Sur, so I can't test this. I have a Mac on Monterey but I haven't switched to it yet, and I'm not a regular user of signed mail and I've never ever used Apple Mail. I'll probably need a bit of handholding to set up a test. Steve

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: URLs in moderation messages

by Odhiambo Washington

On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 8:22 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 3/3/23 01:55, Tim Cutts wrote: > > > > I’ve clearly got something wrong in my configuration, but I can’t work > out what. > > > > All my URLs seem to have the “mailman3” part duplicated, i.e. > > > > Https://example.com/mailman3/mailman3/lists > > > > Is where I have to go to get a list of my mailing lists, which just > doesn’t seem right. > > > > In my settings.py file I have: > > > > POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'https://example.com/mailman3/' > > > > If I change the value of this to just https://example.com/ it doesn’t > change this, > > > That setting has nothing to do with your issue. It only determines the > base part of the URL that's used to retrieve templates set in Postorius. > > What is your web server configuration? This is probably where the > problem lies. See > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#nginx-configura… > for a suggested nginx config and > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#apache-configur… > for Apache. > Are these proposed VirtualHost configs independent of whether one is using gunicorn/mod_wsgi/uwsgi? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM2 -> MM3 Migration: listinfo page

by Odhiambo Washington

On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 6:16 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 3/8/23 02:21, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > For those who have migrated from MM2 to MM3, does someone have an > elegantly > > modified listinfo page they are willing to share? > > I remove the MM 2.1 list, but leave the archives. Instead of having any > kind of listinfo page, I put a redirect in Apache for each migrated > list. E.g. > > RedirectMatch permanent /mailman/listinfo/mailman-users(/.*)?$ \ > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ > > For archives, I add a note to archives/private/<listname>/index.html. > See https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/ for an example. > This works for public archives, but not for private archives because > there is no longer a list to use for private archive authentication. I'd rather not touch the MM2.1 domain because references have been made to it in publications. What I am struggling with is the listinfo.html file: ``` https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet ``` I am struggling to add reference to the MM3 subscription link user the " Subscribe to KICTANet by filling out the following form:" The HTML code to insert there beats me :) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

2 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty error - not archiving

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sat, Jul 26, 2025 at 8:49 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 7/26/25 10:35 AM, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > > > > I had examined the message using 'mailman qfile', but did not see > anything > > obvious. > > There were 3 files inside the spool/ directory. > > I have just checked again and they are no longer there. > > If the files `disappeared`, they were eventually successfully delivered > to HyperKitty. If you made no changes to mailman-hyperkitty.cfg, there > was probably some transient network issue that caused the initial error. > Most likely. Another thing I have seen, inside /etc/mailman3/ root@list:/etc/mailman3# ls -al total 40 drwxr-xr-x 3 mailman mailman 4096 Jul 26 10:52 . drwxr-xr-x 110 root root 12288 Jul 26 07:17 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 948 Jul 25 02:48 mailman.cfg -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 352 Oct 25 2023 mailman-hyperkitty.cfg drwxr-xr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jul 26 03:11 __pycache__ <===== Is the presence of this directory expected? -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 4971 Jul 26 03:10 settings.py -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 863 Jul 25 04:14 uwsgi.ini -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 month

[MM3-users] Re: Unknown templates being used

by Brian Carpenter

On 2/14/21 1:31 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/14/21 5:44 AM, Tom Stoddard wrote: >> I'm a list owner who has recently (within the last week) had my lists >> migrated from mailman 2 to mailman 3. The UI that we are using is >> Affinity. > So you should be getting your support from EMWD. > > >> I've reviewed all of the list templates and begun to customize >> some of them. My issue is that I'm receiving messages that don't match >> any of the templates. Here is an example of one that I just received >> this morning. (The x's are inserted by me. The actual message provided >> valid addresses.) >> >> Thexxxxxxxxxx(a)xxxxxxxxxx.org list has 1 moderation requests waiting. >> >> >> Held Subscriptions: >> User:xxxxxxxxxx@gmail.com >> >> Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. Yeah, the funny thing here Mark is he is not asking for support for the interface. He is wanting to know why isn't there a way for List Owners to modify moderation notices. It had nothing to do with Affinity. BTW - I told this client CLEARLY there was no template for that notification but he was welcome to join the list to ask for the source of it since I did not know. Geez. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: MM3 to MM3 migration

by David Newman

On 1/31/23 2:01 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 1/31/23 13:34, David Newman wrote: >> >> Is this really as simple as building the new server, creating the >> same lists on the new server, and rsync’ing the archives from the old >> server? If not, how to do the migration? > > > If you want to mirror the entire installation, you can dump the > databases off the old server and import them to the new server. > Depending on the installation, everything may be in one database or > there may be separate ones for mailman core and mailman web. This is a > little tricky because some of the tables have to do with Django stuff. > > To do only selected lists is much more difficult and there are no > scripts that I am aware of. > > HyperKitty can dump a list's archive as a mbox which could then be > used as input to hyperkitty_import on the new server to move archives, > but there are no similar scripts to dump list settings, users, > memberships, etc. in a format that can be imported. Thanks for this. Would I need to create the lists first on the new server before restoring databases and running hyperkitty_import? Also, I'm unclear about there not being scripts for settings, users, etc. –– isn't that stuff in the mailman database? Thanks! dn

2 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Another interesting error...

by Darren Smith

As for the traceback - I'm assuming it's from postorius, as this happens when attempting to load the held messages in the Postorius UI. On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 3:29 PM, Darren Smith <silas.crutherton(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "It's in Mailman's database in the 'message' table." > > I can see the message table - is there a way to see where it is marked as > "held"? All I'm seeing in that table is id, message_id, message_id_hash, > and path. > > I'm wanting to be able to query for held messages for a given mailing > list, as there are currently over 98,000 entries in the message table. > > -Darren > > > On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 3:17 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> On 04/23/2018 01:31 PM, Darren Smith wrote: >> > So it appears that there was a message sent to one of our mailing lists >> > that was put into the held message queue. However, when attempting to >> go to >> > the message to do the moderation, the web page returns and Error 500. >> > >> > Looking in the mailman log, I found this: >> > >> > Apr 23 14:21:02 2018 (17878) REST request handler error: >> > Traceback (most recent call last): >> > File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/wsgiref/handlers.py", line >> 137, >> > in run >> > self.result = application(self.environ, self.start_response) >> > File >> > "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/ >> database/transac >> > tion.py", line 50, in wrapper >> > rtn = function(*args, **kws) >> > File >> > "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/ >> rest/wsgiapp.py" >> > , line 214, in __call__ >> > return super().__call__(environ, start_response) >> > File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/falcon/api.py", >> > line 227 , in __call__ >> > responder(req, resp, **params) >> > File >> > "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/ >> rest/post_modera >> > tion.py", line 167, in on_get >> > resource = self._make_collection(request) >> > File >> > "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/ >> rest/helpers.py" >> > , line 159, in _make_collection >> > for resource in collection] >> > File >> > "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/ >> rest/helpers.py" >> > , line 159, in <listcomp> >> > for resource in collection] >> > File >> > "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/ >> rest/post_modera >> > tion.py", line 157, in _resource_as_dict >> > resource = self._make_resource(request.id) >> > File >> > "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/ >> rest/post_modera >> > tion.py", line 100, in _make_resource >> > make_header(decode_header(resource['subject']))) >> > File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/email/header.py", line 174, >> in >> > make_he ader >> > h.append(s, charset) >> > File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/email/header.py", line 295, >> in >> > append >> > s = s.decode(input_charset, errors) >> > UnicodeDecodeError: 'gb2312' codec can't decode byte 0x87 in position 2: >> > illegal multibyte sequence >> > >> > It LOOKS as if there might be a character in the email somewhere - >> possibly >> > in the subject or sender fields? - that is somehow unexpected. >> >> >> It appears that the Subject: header is RFC 2047 encoded and there is an >> encoded word with charset gb2312 that contains an invalid encoding. >> >> The message is apparently defective, but this kind of defect shouldn't >> cause a 500 error. >> >> I can't tell for sure from the traceback if this is Postorius or some >> other application accessing the REST api. Is it Postorius or something >> else? >> >> >> > I am attempting to find the held message - can someone point me where I >> can >> > go to see the message so that I can see what might be causing the >> problem? >> >> >> It's in Mailman's database in the 'message' table. >> >> -- >> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, >> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-users mailing list >> mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >> > >

7 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Memory footprint

by Richard Shetron

some systems also support the sar command (system activity report). If you have it read the manpages to see all the options as there are many. When looking for performance issues/problems that aren't real easy to find I like to just let 'vmstat 5' run in a window and take a look occasionally, particularly when things seem slow. I prefer the 5 second readings to see more about general trends. On 4/11/2017 8:33 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 04/10/2017 02:25 PM, David Krantz wrote: >> Hi. >> >> Now running mailman 3 I am a bit surprised that the memory footprint >> is so large. I count to 13 processes with each a virtual space of >> 160-250MB and a reserved space of about 50MB each. Not much, but quite >> much to run on smaller cloud instances which generally have limited >> memory. This is (a lot) more than the corresponding postgres >> installation uses, >> >> Is this normal? > > > Those numbers seem "normal" but you really have to look deeper to > understand if you just have a bunch of processes sitting in memory > because the memory is available and nothing else wants it, or if there's > real memory contention going on. > > The article at <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030711>, while written about > Mailman 2.1, has some general information which may be of interest. > >

8 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: No DBA password when installing Mailman3 with remote database server

by Markus Ludwig Grandpré

> but apparently dpkg wants to > create databases for Mailman and Mailman Web. During the installation process dpkg creates not only a database and a database user with approriate permissions, but also many tables. Dpkg allows to skip database configuration. Is there routine or skript to create database, database user and all required tables after the installation process has finished? Best regards, Markus On 31.10.22 18:52, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 10/31/22 07:04, Markus Ludwig Grandpré wrote: >> Dear Mailman3 list, >> >> I try to install the Mailman3 software 3.3.3-1 on a Debian 11 system >> with a remote Postgres database server. During the installation >> process dpkg is asking for the DBA password that our DBA team would >> not provide to me. So what can I do? > > > This is really a question for Debian, but apparently dpkg wants to > create databases for Mailman and Mailman Web. You will need to get your > DBA team to create these databases (probably named `mailman` and > `mailmanweb`) and a Mailman user (probably `list`) with all access to > these databases and probably manually configure the `[database]` section > of mailman.cfg and `DATABASES` on Django's settings > -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

2 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: Mailman 3 installation, no mails in hyperkitty, unable to add footer.

by Ugnius S

Hi, Mark. Thank You for trying to help me. I do not remember how exactly I installed mailman or by apt-get or: $ sudo pip3 install mailman ---I think, have tried this way, but it already was installed. ~/mailman-suite$ mailman info GNU Mailman 3.2.2 (La Villa Strangiato) Python 3.5.3 (default, Sep 27 2018, 17:25:39) [GCC 6.3.0 20170516] config file: /home/user/mailman-suite/mailman.cfg db url: sqlite:////home/user/mailman-suite/var/data/mailman.db devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ REST credentials: restadmin:Rest_password MTA works correctly. Yes, I understand the error is very strange, but this exactly happens when I add footer custom template to list's regular message via web interface. "telnet loclhost 25" answers correctly. Messages about new members adding and new list creating works and reach the recipients. But Mailman for some strange reasons could not to sent messages from member to other list's members. And nothing to do more: it is enough to delete template and mailman starts send new messages correctly. One remark all messages during with customs template was active remain somewhere in between and do not go out even if template is deleted. I can't even imagine how to debug that. I have noticed that by experience - method to check does mailman work after every small update. This system is so easy to make not working, and then is so hard to understand what did happen. It would be good to read about working example how to setup, and which moments are important. There are many places documented about separate packages, but not full example. I have found one here https://lab.uberspace.de/guide_mailman-3.html, but here part of steps seems are not written as well. For example uwsgi ini and pre required environment. It could happen that for author these steps were trivial, but for person from side some small explanations are very important to understand whole picture of setup and why small parameters where set exactly that way. Of course I am very thankful for authors of that example, because that helped me as well. 2019-08-23, pn, 20:28 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> rašė: > On 8/23/19 8:11 AM, ugniusviln(a)gmail.com wrote: > > I have read documentation, but still have stupid questions, could You > please help, because I can't make it working. I do not understand something > important. I have no experience with python at all. I have mailman 3, > python 3.5 in my debian OS system, and additional packages like uwsgi and > ect. using > https://buildmedia.readthedocs.org/media/pdf/gnu-mailman/latest/gnu-mailman… > about till chapter 6. I understand mailman suite has hyperkitty already. > But I am not sure about: > > > > 1. Does mailman-suite have hyper-kitty inside? Because if I run $python > manage.py runserver - it runs. In installed it under dedicated OS user home > and fonfigured to run. > > I can create lists, event add lists to hyperkitty page using: > $django-admin runjob new_lists_from_mailman list server sends messages to > list members as well. But nothing happens more. No emails come to > hyperkitty, arciver log 0 size. > > $ python manage.py runjobs -l shows the lists of the jobs, so seems > nothing to add. > > > > How exactly did you install Mailman? The document you reference gives > alternatives. You don't say exactly what you did. > > > > 2. If I (using Postorius web interface) add footer template to my list > under regular message, something strange happens. Mailman stops to send > messages for list members. No any entries in the logs. Just Mailman log > writes: "unable to connect localhost port 25" and no more explanation. If > I delete list's footer template (web interface), mailman starts working > again. What is bad here? How to add custom footer? In mailman 2 if was > working so good and was easy to setup. > > > It appears that no MTA is listening on localhost port 25. Is your MTA > even running? It is extremely unlikely that this has anything to do with > adding a termplate in Postorius. > > You might be better off installing Debian's 'mailman3-full' package > < > https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mailman3-full&searchon=names&su… > >. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

6 years

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