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[MM3-users] Re: Spam sent to list owner causes bounce increment for list owner

by Allan Hansen

Hi Mark, Thank you for the explanation, and it all makes sense. I prefer your verp_probes solution, as I do prefer to have my list work concentrated in one place. I did have 5 bounces on the list - I guess a lot of spam is happening due to the holidays. I noticed a big uptick myself. Thanks again, Allan > On Dec 18, 2023, at 10:30, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 12/18/23 9:59 AM, Allan Hansen wrote: >> Hi all, >> Someone sent a spam message to the list owner (me) of one of my lists. Then I got booted from the list. >> The scenario in more detail: >> The list server forwards the message to me, as I’m the list owner. This message is sent from <list>-bounces+hansen=rc.org(a)list.rc.org to hansen(a)rc.org. >> My service provider’s spam filter rejects the spam (correctly) in a message and informs the list server. >> The list server sends a message to <list>-bounces+hansen=rc.org(a)list.rc.org (the fake sender) saying that the message to hansen(a)rc.org (the recipient) could not be delivered because it was spam. >> The list server also blames hansen(a)rc.org (me) for the bounce and increments my bounce score, which, to me, is unfair. >> So I wonder: >> Is the Mailman host at list.rc.org at fault for not catching the spam before it reaches the list server? (One could argue that) > > Depends on what kind of spam filtering if any you have on incoming mail to list.rc.org. > >> Is my rc.org service provider at fault for sending the bounce message to the server instead of the to the original sender? > > Absolutely not. The envelope sender of the mail was set by Mailman to <list>-bounces+hansen=rc.org(a)list.rc.org in order to enable automated bounce processing. rc.org correctly sent the bounce to the envelope sender. > >> Is Mailman at fault for thinking that the bounce message was caused by a list message FROM me, instead of a bounced message TO the list owner? > > Arguably, yes, but not based on FROM. FROM has nothing to do with it. The message was sent TO you so if it bounces, it is a message to you that bounced, so you are the one bouncing this message. All Mailman knows is a message was sent to you and it bounced so it's your address that is bouncing. It doesn't matter whether this was a post to the list that bounced or a message to <list>-owner. A bounce is a bounce. > > Note that this list's bounce processing is very aggressive. If you got removed from the list after one bounce, the list must have Bounce score threshold = 1 and Bounce disable warnings = 0. You might consider adjusting these. > > There is an easy fix for this. Set `verp_probes: yes` in mailman.cfg. Then when your bounce score reaches threshold, instead of disabling/removing you, Mailman will send a probe message to you. It will only disable/remove you if the probe bounces which it presumably won't. > > Another avoidance would be to use an address for the owner which is not the address of a member. Then if the owner address bounces, nothing is done because the bouncing address isn't a list member. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to hansen(a)rc.org

1 year, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Archiver "prototype" and disabling archiving at all

by Torge Riedel

Am 24.03.19 um 16:49 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 3/24/19 5:40 AM, Torge Riedel wrote: >> in the settings of a mailing list I can choose two archivers: >> "Hyperkitty" and "prototype". What is this archive "prototype" and how >> can I disable/remove/deinstall it? And how can I disable archiving at >> all, so no archiver can be chosen in the settings. > > The prototype archiver stores messages individually in > var/archives/prototype/LIST_NAME/. > > You can disable the prototype archiver by putting > > [archiver.prototype] > enable: no > > in your mailman.cfg. To disable all archiving, just remove all the > [archiver.*] sections from your mailman.cfg or set them to 'enable: no' > > Hi Mark, thanks. This disabled the archivers, but there is still the "Archives" link on top of the page. Is it possible to remove it? Cause there is nothing to see there. I tried commenting "'hyperkitty'," in INSTALLED_APPS, but then I got a 500.

6 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Topics - Tags

by Mark

On 2024-03-23 06:36, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 3/21/24 21:10, Mark wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm reading the docs on "Message tagging" >> (https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/handlers/d…) >> as saying shell access is needed to: (a) enable topics, and (b) write >> the keywords. >> >> In Mailman 2 there is an Admin web UI for "Topics". Is there such a >> web UI that can be enabled in Mailman 3 so that the list owners can >> create topics (tags) in their lists? > > > At this point, topics are not exposed in REST. Managing them via > Postorius first requires updating the REST API to read and set the > topic attributes and then updating Postorius to display/set them. > > Further, there is currently no implementation for list member topics > of interest either in Mailman core or the REST API. I.e., there is no > way for a list member to indicate topics of interest. > Thank you for this information Mark. Best, Mark

1 year, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Remove old bounces in bouncedir

by Stephan Krinetzki

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 3/10/22 00:31, Stephan Krinetzki wrote: > > Mark Sapiro wrote: > > If you are referring to messages in Mailman's bounces queue, if these > > are not processed and removed within 15 minutes of arrival, Mailman's > > bounce runner is not running. > > Well, it is the queue.Our var directory is under /opt/mailman/var and the /opt/mailman/var/queue/bounces is over 8GB big. There are *.pck messages and some of them are very old (>3 Years). The bounce seems to be running: > > Mar 10 09:24:53 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. > > Mar 10 09:25:00 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. > > Mar 10 09:25:06 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. > > Mar 10 09:25:12 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. > > Mar 10 09:25:18 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. > > Mar 10 09:25:24 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. > > Mar 10 09:25:30 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. > > Mar 10 09:25:36 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. > > Mar 10 09:25:43 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. > > Mar 10 09:25:49 2022 (376) Member xxx@xxx already scored a bounce on list list.lists.example.com today. > > > > The process it self is there > > mailman 376 99.4 19.1 6578312 6279000 ? R 09:17 10:52 venv/bin/python3 venv/bin/runner -C mailman.cfg --runner=bounces:0:1 > > > > I don't understand what's happening. If the bounces runner is processing > it's queue, those .pck files should be processed and deleted. > Are there errors in /opt/mailman/var/logs/mailman? Nope. Only the daily info, that it runs. For today: Mar 14 03:15:34 2022 (21507) Task runner evicted 25336 expired pendings Mar 14 03:15:43 2022 (21507) Task runner deleted 3696 orphaned workflows Mar 14 03:16:09 2022 (21507) Task runner deleted 7965 orphaned requests Seems to be okay > If you examine (some of) those files with mailman qfile do you see > anything strange? Nope. Just regular Bounce Files. > Is there an ownership/permissions issue? Sometimes people run Mailman or > some Mailman command as root and things get owned by root and then > when Mailman is later run as mailman it can't delete or maybe even > read them. Nope: /opt/mailman/var/queue/bounces ls -altrh | head total 12G -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 37K Jan 5 09:51 1641372708.3212914+fc901998d5e2ace166db31ace6d77081b0c7650c.pck -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 42K Jan 5 09:52 1641372768.1659493+7afbcddc270547485732252874adcc27e04c9983.pck -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 42K Jan 5 09:52 1641372768.2633681+73c527870449492689fd30502b73f455a191701e.pck -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 7.7K Jan 5 09:58 1641373138.119037+2d5dd400e989db3303517b900d7f2b312d4cd7b5.pck -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 7.7K Jan 5 09:58 1641373139.585048+ee824dec757735ef8bd8139ee0cd858cc7c92606.pck -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 288K Jan 5 09:58 1641373139.846666+d75af26011eb1a8ef5673d9ee13c5425daec2bd4.pck -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 288K Jan 5 09:59 1641373140.024808+be60d1d97590d77eaec46751524d1bfe7a2f9ee7.pck -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 289K Jan 5 09:59 1641373140.8432257+678f545d176008a5483b8bc6747aebc2b84a7f4e.pck -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 288K Jan 5 09:59 1641373141.505824+c253072ebeb3f07b2b455725ace225abdd621b22.pck As you can see, there are old messages (not 3 years old, but some months old) > > If you are referring to bounce messages in the message store > > (var/messages/), there have been issues with those not being removed, > > but Mailman core >= 3.3.5 should clean those up. > > SInce the messages are hashed or otherwise stored, i can't verify or deny this. > > Is the size of the /opt/mailman/var/messages directory very big? Nope, it's 1.9GB at the moment. I don't think that's big. Is there anyway to run the bounce runner manually and get the debug output of it?

3 years, 5 months

[MM3-users] Re: Another interesting error...

by Darren Smith

"It's in Mailman's database in the 'message' table." I can see the message table - is there a way to see where it is marked as "held"? All I'm seeing in that table is id, message_id, message_id_hash, and path. I'm wanting to be able to query for held messages for a given mailing list, as there are currently over 98,000 entries in the message table. -Darren On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 3:17 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 04/23/2018 01:31 PM, Darren Smith wrote: > > So it appears that there was a message sent to one of our mailing lists > > that was put into the held message queue. However, when attempting to go > to > > the message to do the moderation, the web page returns and Error 500. > > > > Looking in the mailman log, I found this: > > > > Apr 23 14:21:02 2018 (17878) REST request handler error: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/wsgiref/handlers.py", line > 137, > > in run > > self.result = application(self.environ, self.start_response) > > File > > "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/ > mailman/database/transac > > tion.py", line 50, in wrapper > > rtn = function(*args, **kws) > > File > > "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/ > mailman/rest/wsgiapp.py" > > , line 214, in __call__ > > return super().__call__(environ, start_response) > > File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/falcon/api.py", > > line 227 , in __call__ > > responder(req, resp, **params) > > File > > "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/ > mailman/rest/post_modera > > tion.py", line 167, in on_get > > resource = self._make_collection(request) > > File > > "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/ > mailman/rest/helpers.py" > > , line 159, in _make_collection > > for resource in collection] > > File > > "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/ > mailman/rest/helpers.py" > > , line 159, in <listcomp> > > for resource in collection] > > File > > "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/ > mailman/rest/post_modera > > tion.py", line 157, in _resource_as_dict > > resource = self._make_resource(request.id) > > File > > "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/site-packages/ > mailman/rest/post_modera > > tion.py", line 100, in _make_resource > > make_header(decode_header(resource['subject']))) > > File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/email/header.py", line 174, in > > make_he ader > > h.append(s, charset) > > File "/opt/mailman3/conda/lib/python3.6/email/header.py", line 295, in > > append > > s = s.decode(input_charset, errors) > > UnicodeDecodeError: 'gb2312' codec can't decode byte 0x87 in position 2: > > illegal multibyte sequence > > > > It LOOKS as if there might be a character in the email somewhere - > possibly > > in the subject or sender fields? - that is somehow unexpected. > > > It appears that the Subject: header is RFC 2047 encoded and there is an > encoded word with charset gb2312 that contains an invalid encoding. > > The message is apparently defective, but this kind of defect shouldn't > cause a 500 error. > > I can't tell for sure from the traceback if this is Postorius or some > other application accessing the REST api. Is it Postorius or something > else? > > > > I am attempting to find the held message - can someone point me where I > can > > go to see the message so that I can see what might be causing the > problem? > > > It's in Mailman's database in the 'message' table. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

7 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: Apple Mail encoding again

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Mark Sapiro writes: > On 4/20/22 07:54, Rainer Herbst wrote: > > The user suggested that the problem is caused by a line containing only > > "-- " somewhere in the text, but I can not confirm this. This is very unlikely. A very large portion of the mail processed at Mailman sites has "-- " in it because that is the conventional "start of .signature" marker, and much of that is multipart and even signed nowadays, yet we've never seen a problem with it. > > Please find enclosed the refused mail (anonymized). > > That message has no defects. In particular, it has no Content-Transfer-Encoding in the header of any multipart part, which is the defect reported before. I guess there's no list of defects either in the returned message or in the MTA logs? It seems strange that the message has no Received headers. Is this normal for aip.de address to aip.de address mail? Or is it a sent file copy of the sender or something like that? Steve

3 years, 4 months

[MM3-users]Re: mailman 2 vs. mailman 3: what happened to multipart/digest?

by Simon Hanna

On 05/12/2016 09:26 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On May 12, 2016, at 12:18 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> It is the intent that Postorius will eventually expose all these >> settings. We're not there yet. At present you could possibly do this by >> interacting with mailmanclient, although I'm not certain the settings are >> exposed there. > > I'm not sure if they're exposed in mailmanclient, but they are exposed in the > core's REST API, on the member resource. It's the `delivery_mode` attribute > and it takes as legal values one of 'regular', 'plaintext_digests', > 'mime_digests', and 'summary_digests' (IOW, the enum item names for the > DeliveryMode enum). They are exposed in mailmanclient and are used in postorius. They can be found in the users personal subscription settings https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/accounts/mailmansettings/ > > Cheers, > -Barry > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

9 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Timeout in Postorius when trying to approve or reject moderated messages

by Sebastian Hagedorn

Am 27.08.20 um 18:05 schrieb Mark Sapiro: > On 8/27/20 8:07 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: >> >> Right now everything is running as root (except for Apache). I realized >> too late that I should've used a mailman user. Could that be the reason >> for the issue? > > Since you have determined it was a browser issue, that probably isn't > the reason, but running Mailman as root is a bad idea in general for > security reasons. Thanks, I'm aware, and I'm not going to on a production system. This installation is just a trial run. > I don't know if it's relevant or not, but I have just recently had > issues with Firefox not working properly on two different (not mailman) > web sites, and these issues were fixed by clearing cookies and cached > data from the affected sites and restarting Firefox. I can confirm that that worked in my case as well.

5 years

[MM3-users] Re: cache files?

by Dave McGuire

On 7/12/21 10:45 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> Hi folks. I'm seeing quite a few .css files, thousands of them >> totaling 600+MB, building up in /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/CACHE/css. >> Some of them date back to when I set up the mm3 instance a few years ago. >> >> Is this expected, or am I missing a cron job or something to clean >> them up? > > This is not expected. I don't see it on the instances I manage. > > In the `static` directory, I see > ``` > $ du -h -d 1 > 1.7M ./admin > 12K ./facebook > 68K ./django_extensions > 4.0K ./browserid > 68K ./django-mailman3 > 2.6M ./postorius > 12K ./paintstore > 1.6M ./rest_framework > 5.2M ./hyperkitty > 404K ./CACHE > 12M . > $ find -type f|wc > 401 401 18253 > ``` > > I think when you run the Django admin `collectstatic` command, you need > to specify the `--clear` option. Interesting, I know nothing of that command. Is that something that should be run periodically? Thanks, -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

4 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: remove non members from a list

by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7)

On 6/8/21 19:33, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 8/6/21 10:28 AM, Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users wrote: > >> Thanks. Now it's no showing errors (and nothing at all) but >> apparently it does nothing. The non mebers of the list (the few that >> remains: I've been deleting one at a time from the web) aparently >> still are there.. >> >> Knowing the correct procedure will ease me to try tomorrow with a >> clean head. > > It doesn't report anything, and if you don't commit() or exit with > control-D, any changes will be rolled back. I think I did a typpo. (forgot to add "()" after the "commit" sentence). And exit with quit() maybe not helps. I've done it exactly as you wrote it and it worked like a charm. Thank you very very much > > What does > > list(m.nonmembers.members) > > show before doing the unsubscribe() and commit() and then what after? >

4 years

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