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[MM3-users] Re: Is there a way of recording bounce messages?

by Thomas Ward

Mark, As a person fluent in MS365 they are a catchall. The MS server tends to always accept the message. It then triggers a bounce after the fact because of the multilayered transit patterns MS365 uses for handing off messages. I know this because of custom mailing alert system integrations with MS365 not triggering SMTP transfer time alerts but receiving the bounces after MS365 has received the message and hands off to its edge transports to remote clients, then later sends a DSN. (I have spent three weeks digging on this for a FT Job task so I am unfortunately damned fluent in how MS365 processes SMTP to recipients that will decline or bounce...) MS365's bounce handling is weird and they do not include a delivery report in the payload, instead they take the log data and append it as a text payload portion to the message. It's annoying and problematic when debugging (and likely triggers the mailman2 equivalent of "unprocessable bounce message"). If Andrew can provide the bounce message as an example in raw form (even off list) we can dissect it - myself probably more rapidly as I am fluent in reading them at this point from weeks worth of dealing with them - and that will probably yield the info you are looking for. Thomas Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message -------- From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Date: 9/21/23 19:36 (GMT-05:00) To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Is there a way of recording bounce messages? On 9/21/23 15:01, Andrew Hodgson wrote: > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> Can you provide one of the bounce report messages and the corresponding bounce message from the MTA log. > > I only have the message I would get as the owner of the list that the delivery has been disabled, That's the one I'm interested in. If possible I'd like to see the actual raw message, not some MUAs rendering of it. > I don't have the original bounce message. One thing to note is the bounce messages coming in from Gmail are being generated by Office 365 (as that is the outbound smarthost for the Mailman server), so it may be due to the format of those NDRs why we aren't seeing the original bounce messages attached to the email. So as I understand it, Office 365 is sending the mail to the gmail recipient which is presumably rejecting the mail at SMTP with a 5xx status. Does Office 365 report the failure to Mailman with a failure status at SMTP time or later with an emailed DSN. If the former, there should be log messages in Mailman's smtp.log indicating the number of failures '$msgid post to $listname from $sender, $size bytes, $refused failures' and the reason for each '$msgid delivery to $recip failed with code $smtpcode, $smtpmsg'. Also, we create a fake DSN. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blame/master/src/mailman/runners/outgo… If the latter we have the DSN from Office 365. In either case, the DSN should be attached to the notice. I don't know why it wouldn't be. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… This message sent to teward(a)thomas-ward.net

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Slow and out-of-sequence delivery

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/16/22 13:18, Gregg Roberts wrote: > > Messages that I post to the forum have been taking as long as 48 hours > to come back to me. The issue is not new and AFAIK no one has been > messing with the settings. But the issue seems to have been becoming > more and more severe in recent weeks. This is a symptom of a backlogged out queue in Mailman. > Perhaps because of such delays, I also sometimes see responses to other > posts before I see the original post. It takes extra time to understand > the context when that happens. People's time gets wasted answering > questions that have already been answered without their knowledge. It's > just frustrating all around. > > The email address from which messages are sent is not in the list of > email addresses maintained in the hosting account cPanel. There seems to > be one by the name "relay" that is being used by Mailman. > > I actually don't know which version of Mailman is installed. I'm hoping > it's the more recent of the two options so I optimistically joined this > particular list. The Mailman provided with cPanel is Mailman 2.1, not Mailman 3. > The hosting service tech support can't help because they can't see the > forum email address or its logs. At least that's what they say. The hosting service only offers Mailman because it is part of cPanel. Unfortunately this is true of many cPanel based hosting services. They offer Mailman but are incompetent to support it. Your issue is a symptom of a backlogged out queue and it probably has nothing to do with your list. There will be only one Mailman instance on the cPanel host machine and it will be delivering messages for all the lists on all the virtual hosts supported by that machine. There are threads in the archives on the backlogged out queue issue, e.g. <https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/thread/QGVWW…> and <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/…>. There is also a FAQ article at <https://wiki.list.org/x/17892002>. > A contract tech support guy has suggested that it might solve a problem > if we started spending $100-$150 per month on a dedicated server. I > think that is a wrongheaded suggestion. If the organization had > thousands of members, it would make more sense. But throwing money at > the problem if something is simply not set up right, or some critical > file is corrupted, is not the right solution. Set the broken bone > correctly first, THEN inject stimulants and send the player back out > onto the field. :-) A dedicated server might help, but probably only because it would remove you from the impact of Mailman lists from other vhosts on the shared server. There are things the host can do to improve the situation, but only if they are competent in tuning Mailman and the outgoing MTA. If they are willing to work on this, they are welcome to post to mailman-users(a)python.org <https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/> and we will try to help, but you are at their mercy to fix this and your only recourse is to look for a different hosting service. If it's only for Mailman lists, see <https://wiki.list.org/COM/Mailman%20hosting%20services>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Rafael Mora

I got this error starting mailman service: [mailman@localhost ~]$ source env2Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/asyncio/base_events.py", line 1043, in create_server sock.bind(sa) OSError: [Errno 99] Cannot assign requested address During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/env/bin/runner", line 11, in <module> sys.exit(main()) File "/var/lib/mailman/env/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/bin/runner.py", line 198, in main runner.run() File "/var/lib/mailman/env/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailman/runners/lmtp.py", line 242, in run self.lmtp.start() File "/var/lib/mailman/env/lib/python3.6/site-packages/aiosmtpd/controller.py", line 55, in start raise self._thread_exception File "/var/lib/mailman/env/lib/python3.6/site-packages/aiosmtpd/controller.py", line 35, in _run ssl=self.ssl_context)) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/asyncio/base_events.py", line 466, in run_until_complete return future.result() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/asyncio/base_events.py", line 1047, in create_server % (sa, err.strerror.lower())) OSError: [Errno 99] error while attempting to bind on address ('192.185.51.89', 8024): cannot assign requested address What do you think? El lun., 24 jul. 2017 a las 17:47, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) escribió: > On 07/24/2017 03:31 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > I got this on maillog: > > > > > > > > [root@localhost log]# cat maillog > > > There's nothing in that log that shows any attempts by anything to > connect to Postfix. You have to look at logs from the processes you > think are trying to send mail and see what they're doing. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

9 years

[MM3-users] Re: Apache Conf

by Thomas G

I found ! Based on https://stackoverflow.com/questions/26848945/exclude-an-alias-from-virtualh… We have to exclude /static/ <VirtualHost *:80> ServerName mailing.hatlab.fr ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/mailing.error.log CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/mailing.access.log combined Alias /static/ /opt/mailman/static/ <Directory /opt/mailman/static/> Require all granted </Directory> ProxyPassMatch ^/static ! ProxyPass / http://localhost:8000/ ProxyPassReverse / http://localhost:8000/ </VirtualHost> Le ven. 19 oct. 2018 à 21:08, Thomas G <thomas82710(a)gmail.com> a écrit : > Same result with Alias "/static/" "/opt/mailman/static/" > > I have sometimes: > [Fri Oct 19 22:05:52.583841 2018] [proxy_http:error] [pid 8328:tid > 140435053815552] (104)Connection reset by peer: [client 1xxxxxxx1794] > AH01102: error reading status line from remote server localhost:8000 > [Fri Oct 19 22:05:52.583874 2018] [proxy:error] [pid 8328:tid > 140435053815552] [client 1xxxxxxx:51794] AH00898: Error reading from remote > server returned by /static/hyperkitty/libs/jquery/jquery-1.10.1.min.js > But it's not systematic. > > Alias seem to be ignored by the proxy. > > > Le ven. 19 oct. 2018 à 20:48, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> a écrit : > >> On 10/19/18 12:17 PM, Thomas G wrote: >> > Hi tried both. >> > >> > Same result. >> > >> > xxxx - - [19/Oct/2018:21:14:22 +0200] "GET >> /static/postorius/js/script.js >> > HTTP/1.1" 404 4051 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) >> > Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0" >> >> >> What's in the apache error log? >> >> -- >> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, >> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >> >

7 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Cannot setup announce-only mailing list

by Abhilash Raj

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, at 9:58 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 1/30/20 5:42 AM, Alberto Granzotto wrote: > > > > Of course, I want to keep this mailing list "read only" for members, and > > I want only selected people to post to that mailing list. > > > > Any idea on how to achieve that? > > > There is only one difference between the `Discussion` and `Announce` > list styles, and that is for an `Announce` list, the `allow_list_posts` > attribute is set to `False`. In turn, all that does is cause the > List-Post: header to be set to NO rather than the list posting address. > > There is a discussion at <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030685> of how to set > up an announce list for Mailman 2.1. Most of this translates > straightforwardly to Mailman 3, although not all the relevant settings > are exposed in Postorius. > > In short, you need to set this up manually using things like moderation > settings and custom templates for the welcome message. Mark, do you think we should make the actual announce-only style reflect these settings so folks don't have to manually set these after they create a announce-only list? I am not sure the reason behind these settings lacking for the current announce-only style. Are there situations where announce-only list would have different list setting? > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

6 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty no longer archiving

by Hirayama, Pat

> -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2022 2:21 PM > To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Hyperkitty no longer archiving > > On 11/22/22 13:40, Hirayama, Pat wrote: > > > > There is only one uwsgi.ini file, and it is in the same directory as settings.py, > settings_local.py and wsgi.py > > > What is the content of that file? uwsgi.ini: [uwsgi] uwsgi-socket = :8000 chdir = /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project wsgi-file = /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/wsgi.py harakiri = 60 master = true process = 4 threads = 4 uid = mail gid = mail attach-daemon = ./manage.py qcluster The referenced wsgi.py looks pretty vanilla: """ import os # import sys # import site # For some unknown reason, sometimes mod_wsgi fails to set the python paths to # the virtualenv, with the 'python-path' option. You can do it here too. # # # Remember original sys.path. # prev_sys_path = list(sys.path) # # Add here, for the settings module # site.addsitedir(os.path.abspath(os.path.dirname(__file__))) # # Add the virtualenv # venv = os.path.join(os.path.abspath(os.path.dirname(__file__)), # '..', 'lib', 'python2.6', 'site-packages') # site.addsitedir(venv) # # Reorder sys.path so new directories at the front. # new_sys_path = [] # for item in list(sys.path): # if item not in prev_sys_path: # new_sys_path.append(item) # sys.path.remove(item) # sys.path[:0] = new_sys_path from django.core.wsgi import get_wsgi_application os.environ.setdefault("DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE", "settings") application = get_wsgi_application() > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Thanks! -p Pat Hirayama Pronouns: he/him/his Systems Engineer IT | Systems Engineering Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center O 206.667.4856 phirayam(a)fredhutch.org

3 years, 8 months

[MM3-users] Re: Message getting held due to max number of recipients and maximum message size

by Wong, Wesley

I can confirm that the list was set to 0 for max recipients and message size. In addition, I checked the base.py and the defaults are the ones in the message. If I went ahead and modified the settings in base.py, would this immediately to all existing lists in Mailman? wesley -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2023 1:04 PM To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Message getting held due to max number of recipients and maximum message size On 9/22/23 11:37, Wong, Wesley wrote: > > Currently, the settings are set to 0 for both settings on the list so I am not sure where mailman is getting the default settings. Is this default hard coded somewhere in the Mailman core? The version of Mailman running is 3.3.6. This is very strange. Are you certain the list's settings are 0? Are there possibly two lists in different domains or otherwise similar names and you are looking at the wrong one? The only place where the defaults are set is in mailman/styles/base.py and this only affects the default settings for a new list. The values in the ``` Message has more than 10 recipients The message is larger than the 40 KB maximum size ``` messages come from the list's settings. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… This message sent to wesley.wong(a)anderson.ucla.edu

2 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: config incoming email in my domain cpanel

by Rafael Mora

El jue., 3 ago. 2017 a las 13:21, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) escribió: > On 08/03/2017 10:42 AM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > > > I've found the MX records on my cpanel but how do I redirect the emails > > going to my list to my private server? > > > You have to configure the MTA that is the MX for the domain to relay the > mail to the Mailman server. > Our domain is: LABBRANDS.COM We have that domain config in a Hosgator hosting. The emails sent to labbrands.com go to our hosting, so how do I tell cpanel in hostgator hosting that the mails sent to the list ( mailing(a)labbrands.com) are redirect to the MTA (postfix) in my private server (we have static public IP address) ?? > > > > I still don't get it. What if I just suscribe the members and then send > the > > email to the suscribers the thing is that the email has to be received by > > mailman in order to resend it to the list suscribers right? > > > If all you want to do is send mail that you generate, you can use > > mailman inject > > to deliver the mail to Mailman on the local machine. The drawback of not > being able to receive mail from the outside is Mailman won't receive > bounce DSNs from remote servers. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

9 years

[MM3-users] Re: Apache+mod_wsgi issue

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/22/22 22:26, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2022 at 9:21 AM Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> And now I am having a problem with mod_wsgi. >> First, the URL displayed when I load the page looks bogus to me. >> While I expect the URL to be >> https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman3/domains/, mod_wsgi give me >> https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman3/mailman3/domains/ - there is an >> extra /mailman3! See below: >> So I have; >> 1. https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman3/mailman3/lists/ - working, >> or appears to. >> 2. https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman3/mailman3/domains/ - working, >> or appears to. >> 3. https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman3/mailman3/bans/ - working, or >> appears to >> 4. https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman3/mailman3/users - working, or >> appears to >> 5. >> https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman3/mailman3/lists/kictanet.lists.kic… >> - This throws an exception error when I click "Manage Subscription". >> >> -> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/RkKH793Jgw/ messages like these [Fri Dec 23 09:10:55.393386 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 74857] [remote 197.232.81.246:14181] File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 160, in call [Fri Dec 23 09:10:55.393390 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 74857] [remote 197.232.81.246:14181] raise HTTPError(params.get('url'), response.status_code, [Fri Dec 23 09:10:55.393394 2022] [wsgi:error] [pid 74857] [remote 197.232.81.246:14181] urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 500: {"title": "500 Internal Server Error"} Indicate an uncaught exception in Mailman core. What's in mailman.log? >> And while I do not quite understand the error itself, there is also one >> particular line that I also saw that has left me baffled: >> [Fri Dec 23 08:53:18.290411 2022] [core:info] [pid 91236] [client >> 197.232.81.246:13865] AH00128: File does not exist: >> /usr/local/www/apache24/data/archives/list/ >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke/thread/VIHCC6MSXZSNHY7YPEJ3D2US4N7MHJEC/, >> referer: >> https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/list/kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke This is because something is doing an HTTP GET for `/archives/list/kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke/thread/VIHCC6MSXZSNHY7YPEJ3D2US4N7MHJEC/` and the URL is not recognized as one handled by mod_wsgi so apache tries to get it from its DocumentRoot. mod_wsgi has to serve a number of URLs. Look in /opt/mailman/mm/urls.py for urlpatterns. You will probably see things like url(r'^accounts/', include('allauth.urls')), # Django admin url(r'^admin/', admin.site.urls), url(r'^mailman3/', include('postorius.urls')), url(r'^archives/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), Those are all things that need to be handled by mod_wsgi In your apache config, you only have a WSGIScriptAlias for /mailman3. Thus paths need to be prefixed with /mailman3 in order to be handled by mod_wsgi. I'm not sure what is doing this prefixing, but without it paths that don't begin with /mailman3 don't work unless you also have things like WSGIScriptAlias /accounts /opt/mailman/mm/wsgi.py WSGIScriptAlias /admin /opt/mailman/mm/wsgi.py WSGIScriptAlias /archives /opt/mailman/mm/wsgi.py in your apache config. > I also need to add the fact that at the point where I am clicking "Manage > Subscription", the URL has changed to > https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman3/archives/list/kictanet@lists.kict… > (just a single /mailman3). > Something is adding mailman3/ to URLs. In the above the URL should be https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/archives/list/kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.k…, but an extra /mailman3 is added. The others are like https://mm3-lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman3/lists/ and an extra /mailman3 is added. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 7 months

[MM3-users] Re: Installing mailman 3

by Rafael Mora

I tested with python3 and got this: (env) [mailman@localhost mailman-suite_project]$ python3 manage.py migrate Traceback (most recent call last): File "manage.py", line 10, in <module> execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/var/lib/mailman/env/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 363, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/var/lib/mailman/env/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 337, in execute django.setup() File "/var/lib/mailman/env/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/__init__.py", line 27, in setup apps.populate(settings.INSTALLED_APPS) File "/var/lib/mailman/env/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/apps/registry.py", line 85, in populate app_config = AppConfig.create(entry) File "/var/lib/mailman/env/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/apps/config.py", line 94, in create module = import_module(entry) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/importlib/__init__.py", line 126, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 978, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 961, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 948, in _find_and_load_unlocked ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'hyperkitty' Why does it say that hyperkitty is not installed? El vie., 21 jul. 2017 a las 14:37, Mark Sapiro (<mark(a)msapiro.net>) escribió: > On 07/21/2017 12:33 PM, Rafael Mora wrote: > > > > I'm getting an error doing: > > > > (env) [mailman@localhost mailman-suite_project]$ python2 manage.py > migrate > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "manage.py", line 8, in <module> > > from django.core.management import execute_from_command_line > > ImportError: No module named django.core.management > > > Have you installed Django in your 'env' virtualenv? > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list > mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Atentamente / Best Regards Ing. Rafael Mora

9 years

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