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[MM3-users] Re: mailman3 auto-disabling of subscriptions

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/16/23 19:20, Mike Wertheim wrote: > I'm running an email list on mailman3. > > My users are getting inundated by messages saying that their subscriptions > have been disabled due to their bounce score exceeding the mailing list's > bounce_score_threshold. > > But there is nothing wrong with these users' email accounts. They are all > perfectly fine. Apparently the issue is somehow related to spam. Is spam being posted to your list? If so, you should ensure that Default action to take when a member posts to the list is set to Hold for moderation so that spammers can't subscribe to your list and post without the post being reviewed by a moderator. Then if the post is on topic, the moderator can set the user's moderation action to Default processing when accepting the post so subsequent posts won't be held. Also set `verp_probes: yes` in the [mta] section of mailman.cfg. Then when a user's score reaches threshhold, a probe message is sent and delivery is only disabled if the probe bounces which it probably won't if the issue is spam bounces. > Whenever I (as admin) get these emails, I just unsubscribe the user and > then re-subscribe them. But also, the user gets confused and emails me > about it, which unnecessarily takes up their time and mine. That should be unnecessary. Just click on the member in the members list and set the member's Delivery status to Enabled. However, this may not work because of https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1061 which is not fixed until the next release, but enabling verp_probes will avoid that issue. > The relevant list settings are currently... > bounce score threshold: 5 > bounce info stale after: 7d > bounce disabled warning interval: 7d > bounce disable warnings: 5 > > What's the best way to fix this? I'm considering reducing "bounce > info stale after" to "2d" and/or increasing "bounce disabled warning > interval" to "90d". Increasing "bounce disabled warning interval" or "bounce disable warnings" won't help because the user's delivery will still be disabled. It will just take longer for them to eventually be removed. Reducing "bounce info stale after" to "2d" might help as long as the list gets good posts more frequently than that, but the best way to deal with this is to enable verp_probes and then only consider other things if that doesn't help. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: List Migration from MM2.1 -> MM3

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 7:57 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 8/15/22 7:28 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 4:59 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> > >> Your /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/mailman is talking to a different Mailman > >> core than the one reading that mailman.cfg and the one Postorius is > >> talking to. > >> > > > > How can I track the one it's talking to? > > > Try `/opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/mailman info` > So this command's output pointed to /opt/mailman/var/etc/mailman.cfg instead of my file that is in /opt/mailman/mm/mailman.cfg According to the HOWTO <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10> I am following, mailman.cfg should be in /opt/mailman/mm/. Now I am wondering what I am missing again. Did something change? Should I place all my config files in /opt/mailman/var/etc/ instead of /opt/mailman/mm/ ? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

3 years

[MM3-users] Re: List in list, mutiple reply-to addresses

by Stefan Bauer

Unfurtunately, this completely removes the reply-to: header and sets the list-address as a new and only reply-to. This way, a reply does not address the origin sender anymore :/ Am Mo., 22. Nov. 2021 um 19:17 Uhr schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > On 11/22/21 6:27 AM, Stefan Bauer wrote: > > > > john receives following mail: > > > > from: iu-int@mydomain > > reply-to: mike@mydomain, iu-all@mydomain > > > > If john now hits reply in mailclient, mail goes to ALL instead of just > the > > from-address, as mailman extended the reply-to header. > > > > How can this be changed? > > > Set Settings -> Alter Messages -> First strip reply to to Yes on the > iu-int list. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

3 years, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: The doubled entries issue

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/13/23 10:06, Lars Bjørndal wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 08:07:59AM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> for info. However, that script cannot be run as is by `mailman shell --run`. >> It can be run by invoking `mailman shell` interactively and copying and >> pasting it, > > Yes, that worked, e.g. no error messages. >> or if your Mailman is installed in a venv it can be run with the >> venv active by `python ./fix-doubled-entries.py`. > > I have mailman installed in venv, but got the following when trying that: > > "python fix-doubled-entries.py" need the IListManager interface but can't find it. I see that that's actually expected. In order to run that script with the Python in the venv, you'd need to add ``` from mailman.core import initialize initialize.initialize() ``` to the script to properly set up the Zope components. >> However, that script will not fix your issue because you don't have multiple >> mhonarc entries for a list. See https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… >> and as it says, Tell us more about the "duplicate entries" error, and if >> possible copy it exactly from where you found it originally, including any >> traceback. > > Here's the entries in the mailman.log file: > ... > Nov 11 09:18:47 2023 (1715) Uncaught runner exception: Multiple rows were found when one or none was required > Nov 11 09:18:47 2023 (1715) Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 179, in _one_iteration > self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata) > File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 272, in _process_one_file > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/runners/outgoing.py", line 111, in _dispose > self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/mta/deliver.py", line 89, in deliver > refused = agent.deliver(mlist, msg, msgdata) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/mta/base.py", line 167, in deliver > callback(mlist, message_copy, msgdata_copy) > File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/mta/decorating.py", line 32, in decorate > decorator.process(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/handlers/decorate.py", line 250, in process > process(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/handlers/decorate.py", line 73, in process > for archiver in IListArchiverSet(mlist).archivers: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/zope/component/_api.py", line 167, in adapter_hook > return sitemanager.queryAdapter(object, interface, name, default) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/zope/interface/registry.py", line 351, in queryAdapter > return self.adapters.queryAdapter(object, interface, name, default) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 106, in wrapper > return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/model/mailinglist.py", line 653, in __init__ > ListArchiver.name == archiver_name).one_or_none() > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/sqlalchemy/orm/query.py", line 2769, in one_or_none > return self._iter().one_or_none() # type: ignore > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/result.py", line 1813, in one_or_none > return self._only_one_row( > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib64/python3.11/site-packages/sqlalchemy/engine/result.py", line 816, in _only_one_row > raise exc.MultipleResultsFound( > sqlalchemy.exc.MultipleResultsFound: Multiple rows were found when one or none was required > Nov 11 09:18:47 2023 (1715) SHUNTING: 1699690727.810848+3b6f3baba5576f3d87d3ff392aba2715d4dda793 That does look like https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/657, but your database query showed no duplicate mhonarc entries for a list. Possibly, it was a different archiver, or more likely considering > I don't know what fixed the problem, but when I did `mailman unshunt` the message went through. it was already fixed when you queried the database. > Will mailman notify when there's shunted messages? No. I run a daily cron that does `ls -lAR /opt/mailman/mm/var/queue/` which lists the shunt queue and the others. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 9 months

[MM3-users] Re: External MTA incoming mail: configuration

by Mark Sapiro

I see this reply is now moot as you have now configured list mail to go directly to the Mailman server, but ... On 8/5/24 03:44, Roland Giesler via Mailman-users wrote: > > In the logs of the MTA I see this however: warning: do not list domain > fast.za.net in BOTH virtual_mailbox_domains and relay_domains > > Mailman creates these entries, but postfix doesn't like it. I don't see > any mail delivered to the mailman yet. Is this the problem? Probably not. It is telling you that mail to the fast.za.net domain cannot both be delivered to local mailboxes (virtual_mailbox_domains) and relayed to foreign hosts (relay_domains) > In the MTA postfix main.cf: > > relay_domains = hash:/etc/mailman3/data/postfix_domains > > cat /etc/mailman3/data/postfix_domains > ... > > and also > > local_recipient_maps=$virtual_mailbox_maps, > hash:/etc/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp > > cat /etc/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp > ... How about transport_maps = hash:/etc/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp > > Then there's: > virtual_mailbox_domains=sqlite:/etc/postfix/virtual-mailbox-domains.cf > > cat /etc/postfix/virtual-mailbox-domains.cf > dbpath=/home/user-data/mail/users.sqlite > query = SELECT 1 FROM users WHERE email LIKE '%%@%s' UNION SELECT 1 FROM > aliases WHERE source LIKE '%%@%s' UNION SELECT 1 FROM auto_aliases WHERE > source LIKE '%%@%s' > > When I run that query in sqlite3, it returns no records, so I'm not sure > how this is supposed to work. %s to me means that first argument, so is > this used in python and then %s is the argument sent to this query? See https://www.postfix.org/sqlite_table.5.html `%%` is replaced with `%` which is a SQL wildcard matching anything and `%s` is replaced by the key postfix is looking for, i.e. the domain that it is asking about. So, that query becomes SELECT 1 FROM users WHERE email LIKE '%(a)fast.za.net' UNION SELECT 1 FROM aliases WHERE source LIKE '%(a)fast.za.net' UNION SELECT 1 FROM auto_aliases WHERE source LIKE '%(a)fast.za.net' I.e, it returns true if any user or alias or auto_alias has an address ending in '@fast.za.net' and if that's true the mail to any '@fast.za.net' address including list mail will be stored locally. If you really have local users on box2.gtahardware.co.za with addresses '@fast.za.net' and you want to relay list mail to lists '@fast.za.net', you need to see https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h…. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: list footer questions

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/8/20 12:52 PM, Mohsen Masoudfar wrote: > Hi, > > This seems to me like basic simple questions, I have tried FAQ and other resources, with not much success. > > I have two questions: > > 1. When I send an email to a list, in gmail and yahoo I see the following text with the links at the end of the email body: > _______________________________________________ > Testlist_dmark1 mailing list - listname(a)domain.tlb<mailto:testlist_dmark1@newlistserv.aaas.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to listname-leave(a)domain.tlb > > In<mailto:listname-leave@domain.tlb%0b%0bIn> outlook this is added as an attachment in the form of a TEXT file, when you open it, you see the same text. > Question: Is there a way to change this, that it looks in outlook the same way as it appears in gmail/yahoo? There are a few things going on here. First, the actual footer is _______________________________________________ Testlist_dmark1 mailing list - listname(a)domain.tlb To unsubscribe send an email to listname-leave(a)domain.tlb The <mailto:...> links are added by the Mail client displaying the mail. > In outlook this is added as an attachment in the form of a TEXT file, when you open it, you see the same text. > Question: Is there a way to change this, that it looks in outlook the same way as it appears in gmail/yahoo? > > I know MS does it own stuff sometime and we have no impact on that, but I was thinking maybe we might change the footer in a way that outlooks sees that as part of email body. Yes, this is an outlook thing, but you do have some control. See the FAQ article at <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030707> for a more detailed explanation, but the issue is that after any content filtering has been applied, the message is still multipart so Mailman adds the footer as a separate MIME text/plain part at the end of the message. You can avoid this by doing heavy content filtering on the messages. Namely, accept only multipart, text/plain and text/html, collapse alternatives and convert html to plain text. Note that some of this involves updating the list's pass_types which is not exposed in Postorius before 1.3.3 which is not yet released. > 2. How may I change the format and the text in footer? > I was expecting it under list > setting, in postorius, but I could not find it. It's the top level Templates tab in Postorius (just left of Settings). It was added in Postorius 1.2.1. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

[MM3-users] Re: A little stuck with installation of MM3 - ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'flufl.lock'

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/26/20 3:15 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > There is still some confusion on my part about the directives in the file > so allow me to seek some clarifications. > > The following are the contents of a file I have created and placed in my > Apache Includes/ directory. > I was hoping that with it, I can now access http://lists.my.server/mm3 and > get the UI. > > <CUT> > > # Global section > WSGIDaemonProcess mailman-web display-name=mailman-web > maximum-requests=1000 umask=0002 user=mailman3 \ > group=mailman3 > python-path=/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages:/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7 > \ > python-home=/opt/mailman/mm/venv home=/opt/mailman/mm/var > WSGIRestrictSignal Off > > <VirtualHost *:80> > ServerName lists.my.server > ServerAdmin odhiambo(a)gmail.com > > # (I'm not sure that WSGIRestrictSignal Off is required, but it was in the > # provided example so I kept it. I also made changes to WSGIDaemonProcess > # based on my own mod_wsgi experience elsewhere.) > > ErrorLog /var/log/myserver-error.log > LogLevel debug > > # This goes in the VirtualHost block for the domain. > > # Mailman 3 stuff > Alias /static "/var/spool/mailman-web/static" *<----- Where is this > directory supposed to be and what/who creates it and with what permissions?* It is created/updated by the mailman-post-update script based on CONFDIR and STATIC_DIR. > <Directory "/var/spool/mailman-web/static"> With the settings in the sample, the above should be <Directory "/opt/mailman/mm/static"> and the alias Alias /static "/opt/mailman/mm/static" Clearly <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience?action=At…> doesn't match some other files. I'll review abd update that. > Require all granted > </Directory> > WSGIScriptAlias /mm3 /opt/mailman/mm/wsgi.py > <Directory "/opt/mailman/mm/"> > <Files wsgi.py> > Order deny,allow > Allow from all > Require all granted > </Files> > WSGIProcessGroup mailman-web > </Directory> > </VirtualHost> > > </CUT-HERE> > > I end up with an "Internal server error" and from the error log I see: > ... > [Sun Jul 26 12:04:44.093265 2020] [wsgi:error] [pid 6444] [remote > 197.232.81.246:53383] ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'settings' Django is trying to import your settings.py file and can't find it. Is it at /opt/mailman/mm/settings.py and also local settings at /opt/mailman/mm/settings_local.py? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 1 month

[MM3-users] Re: AttributeError: 'MailingList' object has no attribute 'get_requests_count'

by Shashikanth Komandoor

Though you are for sure that the current versions as I am claiming the above one is perfectly without any issue, please also suggest what would be the best previous version which definitely does not have that issue because I even checked out the immediate previous version of mailmanclient but still I am getting the same error. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 12:13 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 10/27/20 11:20 PM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: > > Can I go back to any previous version which is felt as working fine ? > > Sure. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

4 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Multiple domain problem

by Lars Bjørndal

Hi, Marik! I realized that I had two variables in settings.py where the domains is listed, and one of them had a preceding https. I've now followed the documentation for configuring Apache here: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#apache-configur…. I want both domains to start mailman3 when contacting example1.com/mailman3 and example2.com/mailman3. I have the sam configuration in both virtualhost section in Apache. For example1.com/mailman3, it works perfectly. For example2.com/mailman3 however, the browser (elinks), reports Host not found: example2.commailman3 e.g. without a slash after the domain name. What could cause this to happen? Thanks Lars On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 11:59:02AM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/10/23 01:43, Lars Bjørndal wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 09, 2023 at 02:05:09PM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > On 2/9/23 13:21, Lars Bjørndal wrote: > > > > > > > > If I connect to example2.com, the title is example2.com, without the > > > > preceding List index. And the body says Page not found. > > > > > > > > > What's in the browser's address bar for that page? > > > > It's https://example2.com/mailman3/lists/ > > And when you get the Page not found, is it a browser 404 error or a > Postorius error page? > > > > > > > What's in Postorius domains view? > > > > I realized that I have to change SIT_ID to 1 to be able to connect to http://localhost:8000/. Then, when checking Domains, I have both domains with different SIT_ID value (1 and 2). > > > Why are you going to http://localhost:8000/? You should be able to see the > domain's view at https://example1.com/mailman3/domains/ or > https://example1.com/mailman3/domains/ or by just clicking Domains in > Postorius top nav bar. > > > > Going to http://localhost:8000/admin and choosing Sites, I have both domains listed. > > > Again you should be able to go to https://example1.com/admin or > https://example2.com/admin. If these don't work, you need to add directives > in your web server to proxy them to http://localhost:8000/admin > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to lars(a)lamasti.net

2 years, 7 months

[MM3-users]Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman3 administration

by Mark Sapiro

On 06/17/2016 12:16 PM, Bill wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for some information on Mailman3 administration. I've found > that it's not yet packaged by any of the common Linux distros - Debian, > Ubuntu, Mint, RedHat, Centos, Fedora, Suse, Arch etc so I have some > concerns about the amount of upkeep that running Mailman3 will entail. > > I know that Mailman2 is available as a package on the above distros, but > we would really like to take advantage of the kludge-free, virtual > domains feature on Mailman3. > > I've been asked by a local non-profit provider to assist them in moving > their 200+ mailing lists from an outdated Sympa list server to > Debian8/Postfix/Mailman. One of their chief concerns is the amount of > extra administration, over and above normal list administration, that > Mailman3 will require in the form of manual updates and maintenance. > > We are in the evaluation and design stage right now, but could use any > pertinent advice about supportive distros, available packages, the > amount of extra administration involved or perhaps, in a worst case > scenario, alternate list managers supporting a virtual domains feature > similar to Mailman3. > > Thanks for your help, > > Bill McGrath > President, Vancouver Linux Users Group > https://vanlug.bc.ca I've copied this post and set Reply-To: to the Mailman 3 users list <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org>. Please join at <https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users@mailman3.org/> before replying there. That said, we are working on packaging for a more turn-key installation, but we aren't there yet. I've installed a couple of instances including the one at lists.mailman3.org, and it does require extra work. Some of the work in my case is because I want to run all the Mailman pieces from the heads of their branches rather than what's in PyPI, but even without that, installation is significantly more work than installing a distro's package. I will be writing up my experiences, but that's not done yet either. I will say that once you have Mailman 3 installed and running, updating (which I do frequently, but which doesn't need to be done unless you want specific updates/fixes) is pretty easy. As far as alternatives are concerned There is an up to date Mailman 2.1 branch with better virtual domain support at <https://code.launchpad.net/~msapiro/mailman/vhost>, but I think in the long run, you'd be better off with Mailman 3. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

9 years, 2 months

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