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[MM3-users] Re: All addresses in a bounced list posting seem to be considered as bouncing

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/9/22 6:35 AM, Andy Smith wrote: > > I'm concerned that Mailman seems to have scored my address as > bouncing even though it isn't, merely because it appears inside a > message that was rejected. > > Is that expected? Is there any way to avoid it? No, it's not and it should not ever happen. > I see that Mailman has a bunch of heuristics to parse bounce > messages. In this case though, there shouldn't have been a bounce > message received to users-bounces@, as this was an SMTP-time > rejection. Mailman seems to have parsed addresses out of the actual > mail it was sending, rather than only scoring the subscriber address > it was trying to send a list posting to. Yes, flufl.bounce is used to parse messages delivered to the -bounces. There are a lot of hueristic recognizers, but RFC 3464 compliant DSNs should be recognized by the DSN detector which is tried first and which gets the failed address from the report. See https://gitlab.com/warsaw/flufl.bounce/-/blob/master/flufl/bounce/_scan.py#… However, SMTP failures do not result in DSNs to the -bounces address. If recipients are refused at SMTP time, this should result in a message in Mailman's smtp.log of the form ``` <message_id> recipients refused: <mta's message> ``` and we create a fake DSN (see https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/runners/outgoi…) to be processed as a bounce for the failed recipient. In this case, no parsing of the failed message should occur. I can't explain what happened in your case. It seems that somehow the original post was delivered to the -bounces address and parsed by one of the heuristic recognizers (probably simplematch), but how could that happen? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Help with mailman user and mailman Web users

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/15/22 05:57, Sherin wrote: > > I have installed mailman3 server and configured MailmanWeb ( > hyperkity + Postorious ) . The service and everything works fine, but I > am little bit confuses with the user management in mailman3, > > 1) I created an owner user for a mailing list using the mailmanclient > api tools, # from mailmanclient.client import Client > 2) I can't login to the Mailmanweb with this user There are Mailman users and Django users. These are distinct. Creating a Mailman user does not automatically create a Django user and vice versa. In order to log in to the web UI, one must be a Django user, so this user has to go to the web UI and Sign Up. > For further investigation shows the mailman have its own database and > the web frontend have its own database too. > So my question is how to configure the webfrontend ( hyperkit+ > postorious ) to use the accounts logins created from the mailmanclient > api from the mailman core database. You can't. Well, I suppose you could modify the HyperKitty sync_mailman job or create another Django job to create Django users for Mailman users who aren't currently Django users, but short of that, there's no config for it. > Or is there a way to use only one user management system ? No. Mailman core and the web UI are separate applications by design in order to enable Mailman core to operate with any appropriate web UI. We provide Postorius and HyperKitty as web UIs for management and archiving and they are based on Django which has its own user management. It was our hope that other, perhaps more light weight, web UIs would be developed and available, but aside from EMWD's proprietary Harmony/Empathy PHP applications, we are not aware of any. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 2 months

[MM3-users] Re: mailman 2.1 or 3.0 (or another MLM)

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/26/22 11:05, nate wrote: > > Can I suggest the messaging to new users be improved to communicate > this situation as it is not clear. > > The automated message I got said this was the reason my message was > held: The message comes from a moderated member. > > Which makes sense if I REALLY think about it(I was a moderated member > at first), but then the next question is why was I moderated. Your > explanation makes sense. > > It would be nice if it had more info along the lines of what you > said, or even better adjust the messaging for the "Welcome" email > to indicate your first message(s) will be held for moderation(I checked > both emails I got back from the list just now to verify this info is > not there). I was confused for a while(again 21 year veteran of mailman) > thinking I sent my message using the wrong email address, after confirming > I sent with the right one I just decided to wait to see what would > happen. The situation is no different in Mailman 2.1. The issue is that what may be appropriate in the held message to the user or the list welcome message depends on list configuration and the policies of the particular list. Thus, we can't really modify the default message templates in this way. It requires making list specific templates or possibly domain or site specific templates where all the lists in a domain or site have the same policies. This can be done by list, domain or site admins, but doing or suggesting this on a site like, e.g., mail.python.org which has 232 Mailman 2.1 lists with a total of 243 unique owners and 182 Mailman 3 lists with a total of 212 unique owners is a daunting prospect. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: Digests not working correctly

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/4/23 18:35, Joel Lord wrote: > > The periodic digests do seem to be coming out. I also now have > confirmation that the one message in this morning's digest that was from > May 4th was also included in the last digest back on May 4th, so it > seems that the one message was left behind in the digest queue when the > periodic digest was sent. I don't see how that can happen. The process that sends a digest renames the var/lists/<list-id>/digest.mmdf mailbox file in which the messages are accumulated to var/lists/<list-id>/digest.<volume>.<issue>.mmdf, where <volume> and <issue> are the volume and issue numbers of that digest, and then queues a message in the `digest` queue to tell the digest runner to create the digest from the messages in that mbox and send it. Thus, it leaves no var/lists/<list-id>/digest.mmdf mailbox file behind and that is created anew when the next post arrives. Further, if there is a non-empty digest.mmdf file, its messages should be sent no later than the next 11 PM `cron digests`. > There was one earlier message to the list > back on May 4th, before the one that got duplicated, but I can't tell if > that triggered a size-based digest to be sent: the logs aren't clear > enough on that detail for me to tell. OK > Just to inform things: > > (venv) lists@host2:~/mailman/venv/bin$ pip freeze | grep mailman > django-mailman3==1.3.9 > mailman==3.3.8 > mailman-hyperkitty==1.2.1 > mailman-web==0.0.6 > mailmanclient==3.3.5 > (venv) lists@host2:~/mailman/venv/bin$ pip freeze | grep hyper > mailman-hyperkitty==1.2.1 Actually, it's HyperKitty, not hyperkitty, but I assume HyperKitty is up to date as are the others. > (venv) lists@host2:~/mailman/venv/bin$ pip freeze | grep post > postorius==1.3.8 > > -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Attachement processings questions

by Lars Schimmer

On 2020-02-04 19:15, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/4/20 9:02 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> You can fix it by patching the Python library email/generator.py as at >> <https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/18056/files#diff-220640ea02a24dfdbb0…>. > > > > And once you have patched email/generator.py and restarted Mailman core, > you can deliver the messages by running the `mailman unshunt` command, > but first look in var/queue/shunt/ to ensure you won't be unshunting any > unwanted messages. You can examine those files with `mailman qfile`. Great This did helped. Thank you. MfG, Lars Schimmer -- ------------------------------------------------------------- TU Graz, Institut für ComputerGraphik & WissensVisualisierung Tel: +43 316 873-5405 E-Mail: l.schimmer(a)cgv.tugraz.at Fax: +43 316 873-5402 PGP-Key-ID: 0x4A9B1723

6 years, 3 months

[MM3-users] Re: User settings triggers error

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/28/20 12:55 PM, Mark Dadgar wrote: > > So in trying to download the recent archives ("export/trackjunkies-new.mbox.gz?start=2019-10-10&end=2020-06-28”), I end up with an 8.5MB file with one day’s worth of posts in it (2019-10-10). > > I see these errors in the mailman-web.log: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 2060, in get_msg_id > token, value = get_dot_atom_text(value) > File "/usr/lib/python3.8/email/_header_value_parser.py", line 1325, in get_dot_atom_text > raise errors.HeaderParseError("expected atom at a start of " > email.errors.HeaderParseError: expected atom at a start of dot-atom-text but found ' <BYAPR02MB5976132151FF19510269C44CB3940(a)BYAPR02MB5976.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>>' If I'm reading the above correctly, it appears that there is a message in the archive database whose message_id value is 'BYAPR02MB5976132151FF19510269C44CB3940(a)BYAPR02MB5976.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>'. The trailing '>' is causing HyperKitty's Email.as_message() method to try to set a value of '<BYAPR02MB5976132151FF19510269C44CB3940(a)BYAPR02MB5976.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>>'. Or maybe there's leading white space in the value, or both. Try the following patch. --- a/hyperkitty/models/email.py +++ b/hyperkitty/models/email.py @@ -24,7 +24,7 @@ import logging import os import re from email.message import EmailMessage -from email.utils import formataddr +from email.utils import formataddr, make_msgid from django.conf import settings from django.db import IntegrityError, models @@ -175,7 +175,12 @@ class Email(models.Model): header_date = self.date.astimezone(tz).replace(microsecond=0) # Date format: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5322#section-3.3 msg["Date"] = header_date.strftime("%a, %d %b %Y %H:%M:%S %z") - msg["Message-ID"] = "<%s>" % self.message_id + try: + msg["Message-ID"] = "<%s>" % re.sub('[<>\s]', '', + self.message_id) + except: + msg["Message-ID"] = make_msgid() if self.in_reply_to: msg["In-Reply-To"] = unfold(self.in_reply_to) Also note that if you got 8.5.MB for one day's messages, probably the entire range will time out and you'll have to get it in pieces. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 10 months

[MM3-users] Re: Issues with Mail delivery after Mailman 3 installation

by Ibiam Chihurumnaya

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 2/4/26 02:21, Chihurumnaya Ibiam via Mailman-users wrote: > > You're right about "localhost" causing confusion, I switched to using the > > IP address instead, the logs > > showed that Mailman tried to connect on [::1] and there wasn't a response, > > that might be from Mailman itself though as the > > port is open. > > I don't have a preference for IPv6. > > Edit /etc/hosts and change the localhost entry from ::1 to 127.0.0.1 > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan I just did.

3 months

[MM3-users] Re: uncaught bounce messages

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/23/21 10:51 AM, David Bremner wrote: > > I'm getting (many) uncaught bounce messages for one user. Other than > forcibly unsubscribing them, is there anything I can do? I hesitate to > post this message publically, but here is what I can see, somewhat > anonymized If you send me the complete bounce message off list, I can see if it should be added to the recognition at https://gitlab.com/warsaw/flufl.bounce/. BTW, is flufl.bounce in your installation version 4.0? If not you can update via pip install -U flufl.bounce which may help. Actually, depending on how these where installed, it might be necessart=y to do pip install -U flufl.bounce flufl.lock flufl.i18n To avoid import errors due to packaging issues. > The MIME structure looks like > > └┬╴multipart/mixed 7030 bytes > ├─╴text/plain 442 bytes > ├─╴message/delivery-status 176 bytes > └─╴text/rfc822-headers 5301 bytes This is not a RFC 3464 compliant DSN which looks like the above except the top level is multipart/report, not multipart/mixed. However, our recognizer shouldn't care as it only looks at the message/delivery-status part. > In /var/log/mailman3/bounce.log I see lines like > > Oct 23 08:20:00 2021 (5320) Bounce message w/no discernable addresses: <hex-digits(a)foo.bar> <hex-digits(a)foo.bar> is the Message-ID: > In the delivery-status part I see A compliant DSN will also have a Reporting-MTA: section preceding the Final-Recipient: section. > Final-Recipient: rfc822; fub(a)foo.bar > Action: delayed > Status: 4.0.0 This is not a bounce. It is a 'delivery delayed' message. If delivery is not accomplished within an MTA configured time (days), it will turn into a 5.x.x failure which is a bounce, but since fub(a)foo.bar was not recognized, the DSN is non-compliant in some way. In any case, please send me a copy of the bounce so I can see about recognizing it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 6 months

[MM3-users] Re: How do you remove the Hold on all non-member forwarded emails?

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/26/23 12:38 PM, Sean Westfall wrote: > > But I am having trouble using one of its configurations. I configured my mailmain3 instance to accept all non-member emails, as I want all emails that are sent to the mailman client to go to all subscribers without having it held for moderation -- I did this by setting this setting: > > https://i.imgur.com/PGzaD0k.png > > Action to take for postings from non-members for which no explicit action is defined. (Details for generic_nonmember_action) -> "Accept" That screen shot and language is from Mailman 2.1, not Mailman 3. > But this doesn't work for forwarded emails. Even if the email address that is being forwarded from is included in the "List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted." > > I noticed that all emails that are forwarded to the mailing list are always held for moderation -- though this isn't the case for email that are sent to the mailing list directly. But I want it so that emails that are even forwarded to my mailman mailing list don't get held in moderation. > > How do I set mailman to do this? I was thinking if there is no way to configure this easily then I might have to do this from the code, which means I might have to ask on the developer mailing list -- or I have to go with an entirely different solution (using something other than mailman3). Please clarify whether you are using Mailman 2.1 or Mailman 3. There should be no difference between a message sent directly vs. a forwarded message. What is the reason given for why the message is held? Also, the appropriate list for Mailman 2.1 is mailman-users(a)python.org <https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 11 months

[MM3-users] Re: Message does not appear in archive

by Mark Sapiro

On 09/03/2018 06:13 PM, Paul Arenson wrote: > Hi again. I take it the lack of responses mean I should wait it out a little longer? It's of course up to you, but I recommend Mailman 3. There are still some rough edges, and there are a number of settings not yet exposed in Postorius, but we are working on it and it is quite usable today. > I was considering, as mentioned, Fed Forum (but not much help in setting up), Slack and Flock. Would all mean more work than I can afford. > > Which is why upgrading from Mailman 2 to 2 still seems like the best idea. > > We would then have the perfect upgrade to Mailman 2, where people could more easily find their topics (aided by a lot of nudging to be proactive in choosing the topic to post in and not doing thread hijacking). Do you mean Mailman 3? > I looked to see if there was anyone doing this sort of service. All I could find is someone doing their own hosting called https://mailman3.com/. mailman3.com is a Mailman 3 hosting service unaffiliated with the GNU Mailman project. > I would much prefer to upgrade my C-Panel installation of the lists, which by the way are here: > > https://gale-sig.org/mailman/listinfo/galemembers_gale-sig.org > https://gale-sig.org/mailman/listinfo/galeexec_gale-sig.org > > Any estimate on if/when I would be able to upgrade these c-panel forums (or possibly get someone to help me move them?) I suspect it will be some time before Cpanel offers Mailman 3. It is fairly straightforward to migrate an existing Mailman 2.1 list and it's archives to Mailman 3, but it requires access to the underlying Mailman 2 file system which you may not have in a hosted cPanel environment. See <http://docs.list.org/en/latest/migration.html> for more on migration. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 8 months

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