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Re: Question after upgrade to mm 3.2.3 and latest postorius

by Abhilash Raj

On Sun, Aug 11, 2019, at 2:49 PM, David Krantz wrote: > Thank you for your quick reply! Comments below. > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 10:03 PM Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> wrote: > > I would recommend that you bump up to 3.7 for the web part too, mostly because 3.5 is now has been in security maintenance state for a while. We will drop support for 3.5 after this next release (so you do have some time :), but I fear there *could* potentially be other dependent libraries who might have dropped 3.5 support. > > > > Even though we do run CI and we'd (hopefully) know when there is a dependent library seriously breaking, but since we don't pin down versions, newer releases can cause problems. > > > > The web-server plugin I assume is mod_wsgi? > > Good information. Of course it is mod_wsgi. > > > If you use a separate wsgi server than the one embedded in web-server, you can bump versions a bit more easily. gunicorn or uwsgi are recommended options. Do note that the new version of Mailman Core also uses gunicorn now. > > That might be simpler although I probably still will have to use > apache as passthrough as there are other things on that server using > port 443 (80) and yet another server running is not what I'd like even > if wsgi is a server process anyway as I understand it. I'll consider > that and change it. Right, using a webserver for passthrough (and, serving static content) is actually recommended practice since they are more battle tested for security + load than wsgi servers. We use gunicorn + nginx for running this very list. > > > 1. The index page with all lists is not sorted in any useful way > > > although it is based on something as the order seems to be stable. > > > Prior to the upgrade the lists were sorted in alphabetical order after > > > list name which is a lot more usable for me as admin. If I click the > > > link at the bottom with "click to view all lists" I get the old > > > behaviour. > > > > This change was made so that you will see only the lists you are a member of either as a subscriber, moderator or owner. This is default when you are logged-in, but when logged-out, you will see the old view with all lists alphabetically sorted. > > That is very good. It still is strange that this view is not sorted. Noted, thanks! https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/379 > > > Are you sure the migrations are there? I can see the following list on the latest git master of Postorius (all the ones after 0004_ are related to emailtemplate): > > I thought so, but it seems as if they are not. That said I have not > used django for anything else. After setting up the > django-admin-script and modifying a few paths I got it to work > correctly. The run I had made did not work although it also failed > silently. Had I been used to django I'd known that it should print > "OK" and ticked boxes for performed migrations, but I just use django > for mailman-things. I would love to have some more time and sort out some minor annoyances with Django :( This might be a great opportunity for someone with Django experience to help make it easier, I have some ideas there which should already be in the issue tracker. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

6 years, 7 months

Re: Question after upgrade to mm 3.2.3 and latest postorius

by David Krantz

Thank you for your quick reply! Comments below. On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 10:03 PM Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> wrote: > I would recommend that you bump up to 3.7 for the web part too, mostly because 3.5 is now has been in security maintenance state for a while. We will drop support for 3.5 after this next release (so you do have some time :), but I fear there *could* potentially be other dependent libraries who might have dropped 3.5 support. > > Even though we do run CI and we'd (hopefully) know when there is a dependent library seriously breaking, but since we don't pin down versions, newer releases can cause problems. > > The web-server plugin I assume is mod_wsgi? Good information. Of course it is mod_wsgi. > If you use a separate wsgi server than the one embedded in web-server, you can bump versions a bit more easily. gunicorn or uwsgi are recommended options. Do note that the new version of Mailman Core also uses gunicorn now. That might be simpler although I probably still will have to use apache as passthrough as there are other things on that server using port 443 (80) and yet another server running is not what I'd like even if wsgi is a server process anyway as I understand it. I'll consider that and change it. > 1. The index page with all lists is not sorted in any useful way > > although it is based on something as the order seems to be stable. > > Prior to the upgrade the lists were sorted in alphabetical order after > > list name which is a lot more usable for me as admin. If I click the > > link at the bottom with "click to view all lists" I get the old > > behaviour. > > This change was made so that you will see only the lists you are a member of either as a subscriber, moderator or owner. This is default when you are logged-in, but when logged-out, you will see the old view with all lists alphabetically sorted. That is very good. It still is strange that this view is not sorted. > Are you sure the migrations are there? I can see the following list on the latest git master of Postorius (all the ones after 0004_ are related to emailtemplate): I thought so, but it seems as if they are not. That said I have not used django for anything else. After setting up the django-admin-script and modifying a few paths I got it to work correctly. The run I had made did not work although it also failed silently. Had I been used to django I'd known that it should print "OK" and ticked boxes for performed migrations, but I just use django for mailman-things. So now it works. Great. Thanks! // David

6 years, 7 months

Re: Help with installing Postorius and Hyperkitty on Ubuntu 19

by Andrew Bernard

Hi Mark, Thanks for your great help. But despite decades of UNIX experience, my area is not Django (yet). The nub of my question is that I thought you have to have a manage.py file for Django to be able to set up the various affairs, such as making the database migrations and so on. It is that that is eluding me. Apologies for this hopelessly newbie question. I was impressed with your method of installation in the page referenced, and I have foolwed that closely. But I am puzzled about the build script. If I run as user mailman, not root, it wanted to install under /usr. which of course results in permission denied. I had to modify the script to say this: python setup.py install --prefix /opt/mailman/mm/venv I am concerned that I have also misunderstood something here. A On Sun, 9 Jun 2019 at 00:57, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 6/8/19 4:04 AM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > > > > Where is the Django config area for the > > pip installed modules? It is this that I find obscure. > > The short answer is wherever you put it. If you look at > <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience> > which Abhilash mentioned, you'll see what I do. > > >

6 years, 9 months

Re: Apache shows No Lists

by Mark Sapiro

On 5/22/23 12:57, ceo(a)sartrack.nz wrote: > Postorius is running. > I just removed all mailing lists, and created new empty ones. > These now show in the Apache2 website, via the link to Postorius I assume. > Then I imported members from the old mailing list "Templist" into the new one. > Now the "templist" is no longer visible on the website! Did you do this import with `mailman import21`? If so, did you run it as the Mailman user and not as root? > It is here: > https://sartrack.nz/mailman3/ > Note that the existing list "Templist" is missing. https://sartrack.nz/mailman3/ is missing CSS. Apache doesn't know how to access /static/ or you never built it with the django admin collectstatic command. > Now I need to login as 'superuser' or whatever it is called, so I can manage all the lists. > Where do I set up my login and password for access via the web browser? You create a superuser with the django admin createsuperuser command. How you invoke the django admin command depends on how you installed Mailman. Please tell us how you installed Mailman so we don't have to guess about this and other things. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 9 months

Docker files for mailman

by Simon Hanna

Hi, I started working on docker files for Mailman. I created three repositories: - https://github.com/simonsmiley/postorius-docker Holds the files needed to create a postorius container - https://github.com/simonsmiley/mailman-docker Holds the files needed to create a core container - https://github.com/simonsmiley/mailman-compose Holds docker-compose files that greatly simply the process of running the containers * The mailman repo currently lacks documentation * Currently no emails can be sent. I still have to figure out what the best way is... * Hyperkitty will be added next (together with a complete "bundler" install) I pushed two images to the docker hub. Their names are thelinuxguy/postorius and thelinuxguy/mailman I created two organizations mailman on docker hub and gnu-mailman on github https://github.com/gnu-mailman https://hub.docker.com/u/mailman/ I know we shouldn't use github, but there is no way around github/bitbucket for automated builds on docker hub. I post here to inform you about the docker images and I also to ask if I'm allowed to keep these two organizations and move my images/repos there. I'll happily give push/owner access to additional people if requested. The repositories could be mirrored to the gitlab mailman group, sadly the process doesn't work the other way round just yet. In case this request gets denied, I'll just remove the organizations and let the images be "unofficial". cheers, Simon

9 years, 8 months

Avoiding non-members to be saved.

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) via Mailman-users writes: > Yesterday I had a problem with a private list. A spammer sent a mail > forging one address that was a non-member (in fact was an "accept this > no subscriber mails" from mailman 2.1 import) with very bad intentions > and it was distributed. If you upgrade from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3, the accept_these_nonmembers list for each list is grandfathered into the Mailman 3 list (from rules/moderation.py): # Check the '*_these_nonmembers' properties first. XXX These are # legacy attributes from MM2.1; their database type is 'pickle' and # they should eventually get replaced. for action_name in ('accept', 'hold', 'reject', 'discard'): legacy_attribute_name = '{}_these_nonmembers'.format( action_name) > There were no list of "accept this non members" in the Postorius > config If there is no such list in Postorius, I would guess that some developer thought "OK, this is a legacy feature and I'll get back to it when we move it to the proper database" (unfortunate, but most of us have open-subscription member-posts-only lists, and the current workflow seems to work well, so this feature may not be so salient). > I think it is solved now (deleting all and putting to hold just the > non-members addresses that I would want to pass messages on) This should not be necessary, unless there were pre-approved addresses that are no longer appropriate. But Mailman can't know that! > The fact is that any sender address of mails sent to the list is saved > as a "non member", and it make me nervous as it will grow despite it is > a legitimate message or not. As far as I can see there is no other rule except that legacy rule (and the rule that accepts all posts, which is rarely used) that will accept a post from nonmembers. > Anybody knows if there is a per list config to avoid saving all that > addresses as non members? o a overall config? No, there isn't, and there never will be. This is a basic design decision about the representation of "people who participate in any way in mailing lists". The only way to prevent creation of an Address object for the sender of an email is to reject or discard the post (in which case the "create an Address" path isn't entered), and don't set a moderation action on the sender. Obviously if you set a moderation action, that will create an Address in the database. The problem you encountered is not preventable by any means whatsoever: a malicious actor discovered an address that is allowed to post. The specific case you're worried about, that nonmembers will automatically be allowed to post, is not possible. The only way to get on the list of "accept_these_nonmembers" is to be inherited from accept_these_nonmembers on the parent Mailman 2 list, or an explicit decision by a moderator. The fact that this list is not exposed in Postorius is a bug, but I can't say when it might be fixed. It appears that the current process (the moderator can set the sender's persistent moderation action separately from approving or rejecting a particular post) works fine, since this is the first time I've heard of this issue, and as you present it, Mailman is doing the best it can since Somebody Authorized put that sender on the approved list in Mailman 2. If a particular nonmember becomes a problem, you can access that User or Address in Postorius and set them to Hold, Reject, or Discard. The process of deleting all nonmembers has been more difficult than it should be, but this is being fixed, IIRC in the next release. Steve

4 years, 7 months

Re: Default values for lists in Mailman 3

by Markus Grandpré

Dear Mark, dear list, in Menu "Mass Operations / Mass Subscription" I have set the default value for checkbox "Invitation" in file </usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/forms/list_forms.py> (on Debian 12) as you had suggested: invitation = forms.BooleanField( label=_('Invitation'), initial=True, required=False, help_text=_( 'If checked, the other checkboxes are ignored and the users will ' 'be sent an invitation to join the list and will be subscribed ' 'upon acceptance thereof.' ), widget=forms.CheckboxInput(), ) However, administrators of mailing lists on our Mailman3 demo system report that the invitation is still sent, even if they have deactivated the sending of the invitation via the “Invitation” checkbox. What have I done wrong? Best regards, Markus Am 20.09.24 um 09:05 schrieb Markus Grandpré: > Thank you very much for your answer. > > Best regards, > Markus > > Am 19.09.24 um 22:03 schrieb Mark Sapiro: >> On 9/19/24 05:46, Markus Grandpré wrote: >>> Dear list, >>> >>> I would like to activate the invitation setting for all lists as >>> default. In Mailman 2.1 I have done this in the file </etc/mailman/ >>> mm_cfg.py>: >>> >>> >>> DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_OR_INVITE = Yes >>> >>> >>> How can I do this in Mailman 3? >> >> There is a draft merge request at https://gitlab.com/mailman/ >> postorius/-/merge_requests/930 which implements a framework for >> setting Postorius defaults and creates a setting to set the default >> for pre- verified on the mass subscription page. Once merged, this can >> easily be extended to provide a default for Invitation. >> >> In the mean time, you can only do this by patching src/postorius/ >> forms/ list_forms.py like >> ``` >> --- a/src/postorius/forms/list_forms.py >> +++ b/src/postorius/forms/list_forms.py >> @@ -1283,7 +1283,7 @@ class ListMassSubscription(forms.Form): >> >> invitation = forms.BooleanField( >> label=_('Invitation'), >> - initial=False, >> + initial=True, >> required=False, >> help_text=_( >> 'If checked, the other checkboxes are ignored and the >> users will ' >> ``` >>> Can I also transfer other default values like: >>> >>> ... >>> DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en' >>> DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 1 >>> DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_OR_INVITE = Yes >>> DEFAULT_PRIVATE_ROSTER = 2 >>> DEFAULT_ARCHIVE = Off >>> DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE = 1 >>> ... >>> >>> from the very same configuration file to Mailman 3? Is there a >>> documentation of the default values for lists in Mailman 3? >> >> This is done by creating a list style with the desired defaults. See >> https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/ >> styles/ docs/styles.html for documentation of styles and see https:// >> gitlab.com/ mailman/example-mailman-plugin for an example of creating >> a plugin in Mailman core to make a persistent style. >> >> There is no specific doc for the list settings. You need to look at >> https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/styles/ >> base.py for the various settings and https://gitlab.com/mailman/ >> mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/styles/default.py to see which >> default classes are applied for various styles. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to markus.grandpre(a)uni-konstanz.de -- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

1 year, 5 months

Re: Installed from Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10, web not quite working

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 8:52 PM Volkmar Grote <volkmar(a)grote-family.com> wrote: > Hi Mark, > > On 07.05.23 01:31, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > On 5/6/23 16:02, volkmar(a)grote-family.com wrote: > >> > >> My urls.py: > >>> (venv) mailman@me:/opt/mailman/mm$ grep -v "^#" urls.py > >>> from django.contrib import admin > >>> from django.urls import include, reverse_lazy, re_path > >>> from django.views.generic import RedirectView > >>> > >>> urlpatterns = [ > >>> re_path(r'^$', RedirectView.as_view( > >>> url=reverse_lazy('list_index'), > >>> permanent=True)), > >>> re_path(r'^postorius/', include('postorius.urls')), > >>> re_path(r'^hyperkitty/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), > >>> re_path(r'', include('django_mailman3.urls')), > >>> re_path(r'^accounts/', include('allauth.urls')), > >>> # Django admin > >>> re_path(r'^admin/', admin.site.urls), > >>> ] > > > > > > We and the various docs are inconsistent about 'postorius' vs > > 'mailman3' and 'hyperkitty' vs 'archives' in urls. Add these > > > > re_path(r'^mailman3/', include('postorius.urls')), > > re_path(r'^archives/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), > > > > to your urlpatterns list in urls.py to cover both variants. > > > thanks for the quick reply. > I am one step closer to a solution, > "http://127.0.0.1:8000/postorius/lists/?all-lists#" seems to work now. > I get the functionality, but it looks ugly w/o any graphics, for which I > get yet another, slightly similar, error message: > > > > > > Page not found (404) > You can run: '/opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin clear_cache' as the mailman user. After that you can also restart Nginx, then test again and see if everything works. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

2 years, 10 months

Re: Starting from scratch

by Mark Sapiro

On 04/09/2018 10:01 AM, Benjamin Ragheb wrote: > > The two alternatives I am weighing right now are: > > 1. Stay the course, and see if I can fix this by learning more about Python, Pip, Django and tinkering with the configuration. > > 2. Ride the bleeding edge, and install postorius and hyperkitty from git. (I'll probably stick with Mailman Core from Pip, since that seemed to work just fine.) > > Right now I'm leaning toward #2, because it means I'll be in a better position to patch things if I need to, and it seems like Mailman 3 is still rough enough that I will need to. Also, it looks like the master branches of both postorius and hyperkitty are now Python 3 compatible, which could save me from managing two different versions of Python. > > Which is the least crazy option? If you are comfortable with 2), I think that's the better option. After PyCon in May when we release 3.2 and the rest of the suite, you should be able to install everything with pip and have it work. I'm not sure what the issues are now with a pip install. There is a 3rd option. See <https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/mailman3-full> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 11 months

Re: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/direttivo@catania.linux.it/top-threads

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/28/21 10:17 AM, blackout69 wrote: > Hello everybody,I received this error message and from that moment the > maiilan3 has stopped working.I restarted the following services mailman3 > and mailman3-web and everything started working fine.Can you tell me > what is the problem my django server has encountered? It looks to me like a race condition of some kind or possibly an incompletely deleted thread. Have you deleted any threads? I'm curious as to how you happen to be going to <https://lists.catania.linux.it/hyperkitty/list/direttivo@catania.linux.it/t…> as opposed to <https://lists.catania.linux.it/hyperkitty/list/direttivo@catania.linux.it/#…>. I know that ULS and similar ones are in HyperKitty's urls.py, but I don't see them exposed on any pages. Anyway, when you say "from that moment the maiilan3 has stopped working." (sic) exactly what stopped working. Did core stop delivering messages? Did Postorius stop working. If so, this all may be related to some underlying database issue or something like that that was fixed by the restarts. I don't see how this HyperKitty error could affect Postorius or Mailman core. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years

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