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Re: Mailman, etc. upgrade woes and persistent bugs

by Brian Carpenter

On 2/13/21 11:39 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Brian Carpenter writes: > > > I think treating all disabled options the same is short-sighted. They > > are all not the same. > > > > -- Some list members will disable their subscription for good reasons > > and will be really upset if a List Owner renables it through ignorance. > > So it is important to know a disable member is done by the member > > itself. > > This is true in principle, but (1) I don't think that the user cares; > if they're looking at it, they know whether they want enabled or > disabled, how it got that way doesn't matter to them, and (2) I can't > see why an admin would disable delivery except on request from a user, > so I can't see why an admin would reenable except on request from a > user. The only case I can see would be a mass reenabling, but that's > not going to happen in the future (I hope). > > > -- Some mailing lists will have multiple list owners managing them. So > > it is important for one List Owner to know when a subscription has been > > disabled by the actions of another List Owner. > > I don't see why, see above. > > > -- A List Owner may not know that some of his List Members are bouncing > > messages for various reasons, so reviewing their Membership roster, they > > see that they have some list members disabled due to bounces and can > > then address those particular problematic members. > > This query is an important use case. But it's the only one, I think, > unless you really have List Owners arbitrarily disabling members' > subscriptions. And if you're thinking about reenabling from that > page, I think you need a lot more information. For example, if the > admin disabled, you need to know if that was a user request or > something else (what?). If bounce disabled, you want to know what the > bounce was ("no such mailbox"? probably not a good candidate for > reenabling), and when (5 minutes ago? ditto). I guess you could just > reenable and see what happens, but that could be risky (eg, sending > mail to non-existent users is frowned upon by some providers). > > > @Abhilash, I highly recommend that you contact me off list about getting > > access to Affinity so you can see what I am talking about. I would love > > to show you what I have done for Member Management. I offered the same > > to Steve but he never was interested in taking a look. > > It's not that I lack interest, it's that life got in the way. > Unfortunately, until I get enough time (man-weeks, I've never worked > on Postorius and very little in Django) to work on Postorius, or > somebody else starts to do it, a look at Affinity is low priority. > Also, it's pretty clear that a quick look isn't going to be very > helpful. The Mailman developers know what Mailman 2 looks like. I > think the benefits to a hands-on admin are pretty obvious vs the > current Postorius, as are Web 2.0 improvments like sorting on the > options. The more subtle improvements you've made are going to > require a guided tour and/or some study to identify and understand. > > Aside: I have to assume that Postorius is aimed at the kind of > subscriber that most of us are, and that list administration was > something of an afterthought, and assumed to be mostly hands-off. > That's the only rationale I can come up with for the design where > list admins need to go to the individual pages to see user options -- > it was easier to reuse the user option page and just give the admin > permission to access and change it, than to provide a (sortable) list > with user details. > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ I was going to respond in detail but it will be an effort in futility. My opinions are DEFINITELY not valued by you and that is your right as it my right to leave Postorius behind, permanently. Moving to my own interface was one of the best decisions I made and that decision continues to be shown to be a great one when I read threads like this. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

3 years, 9 months

Re: Postorius no connection to REST API

by Richard Rosner

Mark Sapiro wrote: > > Because those aren't the settings that matter for this. > What if anything are your settings in the mailman.cfg [webservice] > section for > hostname: > port: > admin_user: > admin_pass: > use_https: > (defaults in our distribution are localhost, 8001, restadmin, restpass > and no respectively - I don't know if Debian changes these). > These need to match the Django settings > MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = 'http://localhost:8001' > MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = 'restadmin' > MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = 'restpass' They do match. Even the port (still on 8001). > > The REST API is apparently not listening on the host/port this is trying > to connest to. Apparently. The question is why. > > What is executing the manage.py command to start Django. Is it user list? Probably. It depends on who is calling it. I understand too little of the new architecture. But mailman3.service is run as list, mailman3-web.service as root. > > I don't use uwsgi and know little about it so I don't know what the Unix > domain socket /run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock connection is for, but this > appears to be some miscunfiguration between apache and uwsgi. > Normally, in an apache/uwsgi configuration, apache proxies to uwsgi via > tcp port 8000 and uwsgi is configured with > [uwsgi] > uwsgi-socket = 0.0.0.0:8000 I too have no experience in the combination ow apache and uwsgi. The only other uwsgi app I'm running is on another server and running under nginx.

3 years, 3 months

Re: mass invitation

by Mark Sapiro

On 6/20/19 9:07 AM, Abhilash Raj wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2019, at 7:17 AM, mailman3(a)malevil.cc wrote: >> in postorius there is just the option to make a mass subscription, in >> mailman2 there was also the possibility to just invite users, so they >> need to click a link when they really want to join the list. Is this >> also available in mailman3/postorius? > > > No, not yet. There is an open issue that I can't dig out right now. The issue is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/510> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 5 months

Mailman3 throws 500 error (unicode encode) when loading held messages in Postorius

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Simon Handfield via Mailman-users writes: > I have been working through other threads that indicate the same > symptom (500 error when loading held_messages for a list). You want threads that deal with Unicode: > Error reported in log with debug enabled: > > Traceback (most recent call last): And that last call is:: > File "/usr/lib/python3.6/email/message.py", line 315, in set_payload > payload = payload.encode(charset.output_charset) > UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 8-9: ordinal not in range(128) It appears that the message is improperly constructed, and either a Content-Type field has a omitted or inappropriate charset parameter, or perhaps the Content-Type field is omitted entirely (ASCII is the default charset). This is frequently a problem created by spam messages. The message should be in the shunt queue. You can examine it with the command "mailman qfile /path/to/message_file.pck". Unfortunately it's not clear from the backtrace where in the message this is: it's at the beginning of a part ("position 8-9") or maybe line, but the part could be late in the message. If it's spam, you can just delete the file (and do whatever else you do about spam, of course). If it's not spam, it would help if you can guess what language and charset are being used in the message, and we can go from there. If this is unclear, feel free to ask more.

4 years, 2 months

Re: best pratice - set default MM settings and make them update-save

by Stefan Bauer

Thank you very much. But this is a _new_ mailman behavior. In previous versions, there was no checkbox at all and mass-subscription was done without any confirmation. Stefan Am Mo., 16. Mai 2022 um 18:35 Uhr schrieb Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > On 5/16/22 07:16, Stefan Bauer wrote: > > > > Is there also a way to have this box checked by default or do not > request a > > verifcation at all? > > Could not find any flag in base.py. > > To have the box checked by default would require a patch to Postorius > like this. > ``` > --- a/src/postorius/forms/list_forms.py > +++ b/src/postorius/forms/list_forms.py > @@ -1073,7 +1073,7 @@ class ListMassSubscription(forms.Form): > > pre_verified = forms.BooleanField( > label=_('Pre Verified'), > - initial=False, > + initial=True, > required=False, > help_text=_( > 'If checked, users will not have to verify that their ' > ``` > Not requiring verification at all would require patching Mailman core > but would be a bad idea as it could allow someone to subscribe anyone > without that person's consent. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

2 years, 6 months

Re: AttributeError: 'MailingList' object has no attribute 'get_requests_count'

by Shashikanth Komandoor

Hi Mark, Thank you very much for your response. I understood myself as quite ignorant even to find out the versions of each of the component. But my "mailman info" output looks like the below: *(venv3) [root@dlist-lsmgr mailman]# mailman info* *GNU Mailman 3.3.2rc2 (Tom Sawyer)* *Python 3.6.8 (default, Aug 10 2019, 06:54:07)* *[GCC 4.8.5 20150623 (Red Hat 4.8.5-36)]* *config file: /var/lib/mailman/mailman/var/etc/mailman.cfg* *db url: postgres://<username>:<password>@127.0.0.1/mailman* *devmode: DISABLED* *REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ <http://localhost:8001/3.1/>* *REST credentials: restadmin:restpass* *(venv3) [root@dlist-lsmgr mailman]# pwd* */var/lib/mailman/mailman* How to find out the versions of the each and every component of the mailman 3 like mailman core, mailmancilent, postorius, hyperikitty, mailman-hyperkitty, django-mailman3, mailman-suite and so, after installation? If I am running an old mailmanclient or older version of any other mailman component, please suggest how to upgrade either one or multiple components based on the requirement. Is there any link that would help me to upgrade ? I have used the link https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/devsetup.html to install the mailman 3 components. I expected that the procedure followed in this link would install the latest versions of the mailman 3 components. Please correct me if I am wrong. Is there any latest version compatibility table ? Also please suggest me an URL that would install the latest versions of mailman 3 components and allow me to do customizations related to our domain. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 4:16 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 10/25/20 8:22 AM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: > > Hi Team, > > > > I am currently running Mailman 3 with version 3.3.2rc2 and > in > > built postfix version 2.10.1-6 on RHEL 7.5 with PostgreSQL 11.9 version > > with default values. As of now, we don't have any lists and just > installed > > software components only. > > > > After the installation and configuration, I have tried > > creating the domains and lists. I was successful in creating them but > when > > I tried to login and browse the lists using LDAP authentication, I am > > getting the "Mailman REST API not available. Restart Mailman core". > > > > I see the below trace in the mailmansuite.log. > > > > > *Traceback (most recent call last): File > > > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", > > line 119, in __getattr__ return self._get(name) File > > > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", > > line 86, in _get raise KeyError(key)KeyError: 'get_requests_count > ... > > > > I don't see any error messages in the mailman.log. And I > > also executed a few curl commands in getting the details of the lists > > created and list info which I got their results successfully. > > > > Could you please guide where exactly I am missing or do I > > need to make any changes in my customizations ? > > > I think the issue is your mailmanclient is too old. The version of > Postorius you are running requires mailmanclient >3.3.1 which is only > available from GitLab <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailmanclient>. > > What version of Postorius is this? It appears to be >1.3.3. If you > install Postorius from unreleased code on GitLab, you have to install > all of mailman, mailmanclient and django-mailman3 as well. > > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- Thanks & Regards, Shashi Kanth.K 9052671936

4 years, 1 month

Re: Emergency Moderation

by Brian Carpenter

On 5/21/20 6:30 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 5/21/20 3:23 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> Is there an Emergency Moderation function (similar to the one that Mailman 2 had) with Mailman 3 core/Postorius? > > It's in core and it's just recently been exposed in REST > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/643 but it's not in > Postorius yet. > Can I add this through a mailman core update via pip? Thank you for the information. It is very helpful. -- Please let me know if you need further assistance. Thank you for your business. We appreciate our clients. Brian Carpenter EMWD.com -- EMWD's Knowledgebase: https://clientarea.emwd.com/index.php/knowledgebase EMWD's Community Forums http://discourse.emwd.com/

4 years, 6 months

Re: Mailman3 on Debian 10

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/30/20 9:22 AM, Bala Mutyam wrote: > Sorry one more issue, > > Mailman settings page giving me below error. > > Server error > An error occurred while processing your request. > > Error logs: > > ERROR 2020-01-30 17:20:11,331 16285 django.request Internal Server Error: /postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 41, in inner > response = get_response(request) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 187, in _get_response > response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 185, in _get_response > response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/contrib/auth/decorators.py", line 23, in _wrapped_view > return view_func(request, *args, **kwargs) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/views/user.py", line 306, in user_subscriptions > mm_user = MailmanUser.objects.get_or_create_from_django(request.user) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/models.py", line 164, in get_or_create_from_django > return self.get(address=user.email) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/models.py", line 86, in get > return method(*args, **kwargs) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/client.py", line 322, in get_user > return User(self._connection, content['self_link'], content) > KeyError: 'self_link' Just prior to this is a call to the REST API to GET /users/user(a)example.com (or whatever the user's address is). It appears that that user doesn't exist in core. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 9 months

Re: Postorius is not working (throws "Error 500" suddenly after changing POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL and changing back)

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 10:46 AM Wikinaut <mail(a)tgries.de> wrote: > I could not fix the problem, apparently there is a mismatch somewhere now. > > sudo pip uninstall django-q > Found existing installation: django-q 1.3.9 > Uninstalling django-q-1.3.9: > Would remove: > /usr/local/lib/python3.9/dist-packages/CHANGELOG.md > /usr/local/lib/python3.9/dist-packages/django_q-1.3.9.dist-info/* > /usr/local/lib/python3.9/dist-packages/django_q/* > Proceed (y/n)? n > > whereas > dpkg -l | grep django-q: > > ii python3-django-q 1.2.1-1 > > /usr/lib/python3/dist-info: > 4 drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 4096 21. Jun 2022 django_q > 4 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 21. Jun 2022 django_q-1.2.1.egg-info > > sudo apt remove python3-django-q > the following packet will be REMOVED: > mailman3-full mailman3-web python3-django-hyperkitty python3-django-q > Continue [Y/n] n > > What to do? I don't want to remove mailman3, I just want to bring the > 1.2.1-1 to 1.3.9... > Maybe you can make your life a little more bearable by abandoning the use of Debian packages and embracing the virtualenv install documented at https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-install and we'll find it easier to help you. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 year, 1 month

Re: The Use of Hyperkitty as a Forum and Archiver

by Allan Hansen

I can echo Mark’s responses exactly, as well as the sentiment that it’s WAY WAY WAY better. One additional item of praise: The ability to post/respond to messages from within HK(I guess what you refer to as the ‘forum’ feature) is way cool. While I’m at it here are also some small and not so small gripes: a. The link for visit ’the archives’ is embedded in a sentence. It should be an icon like ’Unsubscribe’. While we’re on that page, the same goes for ‘your list options page.’ b. On entering HK, when listing ‘Recent’, etc, the author is not listed. c. Why is ‘Manage subscription’ an option on this page? The ‘Manage this list’ in the header already has this link. And it appears in the list of options on which threads to show. ????? d. When listing ’Threads by month’ and ‘All threads’, the left panel is taken over. e. When I log in as admin, I get a ‘Delete’ button on this page as well. There is no mention of what it does. Does it delete the list, the archive or the shown threads (I assume the list, but why is this button here???). f. The activity summary here is irrelevant to most users and should be just an optional display. g. Sometimes the lists are listed by Postorius and at other times (at login) by HK. The displays by Postorius are much better and cleaner. The listings by HK use too much real estate for the ‘Activity in the past 30 days’ graphs, which really are just fluff. The difference in presentation between Postorius and HK is confusing and confounding. Thank you for the reminder, Brian. I’ll send out a note to my lists’ members to remind them of this very improved tool. Yours, Allan Hansen hansen(a)rc.org > On Jul 14, 2020, at 8:48 , Mark Dadgar <mark(a)pdc-racing.net> wrote: > > On Jul 14, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Brian Carpenter <brian_carpenter(a)emwd.com> wrote: >> - Has the forum feature (Hyperkitty) of MM3 been received well by your list members or is it mostly ignored? > > Pretty sure no one even knows its there, even though I told them when we migrated to MM3 originally. > >> >> - Do you see an increase in the use of HK as a forum from your list members? > > No. > >> - What kind of feedback have you received from your list members considering the forum function of MM3? Positive or negative? > > None. > >> - Do you think HK is received well by your list members as an archiver and do you think it provides a better user experience for viewing/searching archives vs Pipermail of MM2? >> > > WAY WAY WAY better experience than Pipermail. The single most common feedback about the archives under MM2 was “the archives are broken - search can’t find anything.” htdig was not a great indexer. > > - Mark > ----- > mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878 > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

4 years, 4 months

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