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Re: Deactivate list without deleting it?

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Colin Watson writes: > I possibly should have explained our situation in a little more > detail. Well, I was pretty clear on your requirements, it turns out. I don't, and I believe I'm in agreement with the rest of the team here, need to know why you want something (at least not at this "let's see if we can hash out the requirements and the design a bit" stage). After all, even if we end up WONTFIXing it, it's open source and we're happy to talk about how you might do something even if we won't do it for you! > Postorius wouldn't come into it in our case That's an interesting detail. Thing is, at present Postorius *is* the "control panel" for the whole suite (all the best bands are run by their bassists, you know), so we would bring it up if you left it out. However, if you don't want to use Postorius, I think the mailman-client functionality will make it strightforward to implement your UI within Launchpad, and it now includes a nicer CLI so if you prefer to implement core and Hyperkitty functionality before the Launchpad side, mailman-client will allow you to test core features at that stage. > I'd been thinking more of a new enum in HyperKitty for the visibility > state, since it does seem like quite an archiver-specific thing. Well, there is an enum in core for it already. I'm not sure how that works currently (specifically, how you go about telling Hyperkitty if that changes). Keeping that in sync is an issue (at least for us), since Postorius can query it, IIRC. For the rest, I have nothing to add to what Barry already wrote. Steve

8 years, 8 months

Re: Is it possible to grant all users the ability to Create List

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/12/21 8:25 AM, tibor.molnar(a)waltoninstitute.ie wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to know if anyone have implemented this feature or used any workaround to be able to grant users with the ability to create list. This has been a feature in mailman2 where you as a user were able to create list with a password and you did not need to be a superuser in order to do that. I do understand that in the development documentation it states the following: Three of Django’s default User roles are relevant for Postorius: > > Superuser: Can do everything. > AnonymousUser: Can view list index and info pages. > Authenticated users: Can view list index and info pages. Can (un)subscribe from lists. > > Can we maybe add a different user role where the user would be able to create lists? If this is possible would anyone let me know how? The user's `role` is a Django thing. A user can be given either `staff` or `superuser` status or both or neither. As far as Django is concerned, `staff` status only allows the user to visit the Django administration interface. Currently, Postorius has decorators @list_owner_required, @list_moderator_required and @superuser_required defined in postorius/auth/decorators.py. There is also a @login_required decorator in django.contrib.auth.decorators. Postorius decorates the list_new() function in postorius/views/list.py with @login_required and @superuser_required. It would be simple enough to create a new @staff_required decorator which would require staff or superuser status and replace the @superuser_required decorator on the list_new() function with @staff_required. Then any user with `staff` status could create lists. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 2 months

Re: hello， Discussion on how to subscribe to themailing list

by 朱超

thank you for your reply 1. It is not the MTA that refuses to send emails because the recipient's mailbox is too long, but the MUA that refuses to send the email because the recipient's mailbox is too long. Of course, you can use the confirm $token message to dev-request@domain for confirmation. This is a comparison Troublesome process, by visiting https://www.example.com/mailman3/lists/$list_id/confirm/?token=$token, but he reported 404. 2. It is recommended to modify postorius, in order to keep the logic function of the underlying mailman-core unchanged, and optimize postorius at the application layer to increase user experience; even if there is no mailman-web service or postorius service, mailman-core can still run normally. If you look at the separation of the application layer and the underlying software, I think it is possible From: Tom At 2023-01-17 19:44:20, "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephenjturnbull(a)gmail.com> wrote: >朱超 writes: > > > Yes, You got it. It is too cumbersome to ask the user to write a > > reply email for email confirmation. > >Surely clicking on "reply" then "send" is not cumbersome (unless >there's a way to get rid of confirmation altogether). Your problem is >that some of your subscribers can't do that. > >I have not previously heard of a MTA that refuses to *send* mail >because the addressee's mailbox is too long. IIRC there's a limit of >256 characters on domains, but only the (long-obsolete) recommendation >that lines in the message be 998 bytes or less restricts the length of >the local-part. > >I don't really see a good reason to change this default because there >are a number of configurations where there is no web service >available. I suggest a partial remediation in the issue I just filed. >(I think dealing with the rest of the issue is a Simple Matter of >Programming, but the question of determining existence and status of >an appropriate web service is more complex so I did address that.) > > > Why do you need to modify the mailman-core service， > >I suggest we should modify the code of the postorius, > >We are not going to do that, because >1. Mailman provides no guarantee that any web service is present, and > we're not going to make changes that require one. >2. Mailman provids no guarantee that the web service is Postorius > even if there is one, and we are definitely not going to make > creating compatible implementations more annoying than necessary. > > > Currently I have achieved it this way。 > >We encourage you to use your code. ;-) But using it exclusively to >accomplish this change would go against several of our goals in term >of separation of concerns. If we can do it in an alternative way that >serves those goals, there's no point in complexifying Postorius in >this way as well. > >Regards, >Steve >_______________________________________________ >Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > >This message sent to tom_toworld(a)163.com

3 years, 8 months

Re: postorius ssl-certificates for virtual hosts

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/14/19 3:05 PM, Wolfgang Bock via Mailman-users wrote: > > Hello, > > On my server are several virtual hosts running with different lists per > host. The appropriate webaddress is in general: > https://lists.[domain]/mailman3/postorius/lists/[listname].lists.[domain]. > My domains: > [domain-1] starts with a b* > [domain-2] starts with a s* > [domain-3] starts with a t* > > If I use the webadress > https://lists.[domain-1]/mailman3/postorius/lists/[listname].lists.[domain-… > and I do a click on the https-symbol in the address line of my browser I > get the secury-information " every thing is ok" and the > certificate-information is about the wildcard-certificate I just created > for the right domain. > > Different result is for the webadress > https://lists.[domain-2]/mailman3/postorius/lists/[listname].lists.[domain-…. > In this case I get an information like "you are using a wrong > certificate" clicking on the https-symbol references tot he certificate > of [domain-1] > > I set in my apache2 configuration a symbolic link to apache.conf in the > /etc/mailman3/directory and made this active. > > What did I wrong?? Your Apache config needs to define separate a VirtualHost for each domain, either by IP address or ServerName, and each VirtualHost points to its own SSL certificates. > If I set use_https to yes in mailman.cfg I get on the website for all > lists: > > postorius: Something went wrong > Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core. > > In the logs I found … ... > mailman-web.log > ERROR 2019-11-14 22:20:41,471 1405 postorius.middleware Mailman REST API > not available > Traceback (most recent call last): > File > "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", > line 95, in call > response, content = Http().request(url, method, data_str, headers) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1513, > in request > (response, content) = self._request(conn, authority, uri, > request_uri, method, body, headers, redirections, cachekey) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1263, > in _request > (response, content) = self._conn_request(conn, request_uri, method, > body, headers) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1186, > in _conn_request > conn.connect() > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1012, > in connect > self.sock = self._context.wrap_socket(sock, server_hostname=self.host) > File "/usr/lib/python3.7/ssl.py", line 412, in wrap_socket > session=session > File "/usr/lib/python3.7/ssl.py", line 853, in _create > self.do_handshake() > File "/usr/lib/python3.7/ssl.py", line 1117, in do_handshake > self._sslobj.do_handshake() > ssl.SSLError: [SSL: WRONG_VERSION_NUMBER] wrong version number > (_ssl.c:1056) Does your setting in settings(_local).py for MAILMAN_REST_API_URL have an https scheme? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 10 months

Re: Changing default language for lists

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Wessel Kraaij writes: > I changed several defaults in mailman core (e.g. preferred > language). Do you mean "default_language"? There is no default "preferred language"; that's a list-specific setting. And what do you mean by "changed in mailman core"? Settings in mailman.cfg? Source patches? > However, Postorius (maxking version) initializes the defaults for > new lists and overrides the core defaults using a PATCH call on the > REST API. I don't understand why that would happen. The core defaults are the source of the initial values in the create list form. Specifically, when Postorius creates a list, it initializes a proxy object in mailmanclient, which talks REST API to Mailman core, which creates an actual MailingList object. This uses the defaults from the system_defaults object or default style if one is defined. This is reflected in Postorius's proxy MailingList, which is used to initialize values in the form presented to the administrator. Then they can change various aspects of the list's identity including preferred language from that form. So if you have set default_language in the [mailman] section of mailman.cfg, you should get the desired initial preferred language for your lists. As far as I know, this hasn't been reported before. It's not happening to most installations (and many of them do specify default_language). It's true that docker-mailman is not the most common configuration, but it does use stock mailman and postorius from PyPI. So I really don't understand why you have a problem if you are creating mailman.cfg correctly. > With the aid of some gentle AI chatbot, Heaven preserve us from *all* AI chatbots, gentle or violent. All are sources of bad advice and annoyance to volunteer software maintainers. You absolutely should not need to patch any code to do what you want to do with preferred_language. > Here is the code snippet [added to list_new in > postorius/views/list.py] that solved my issue This is a bad idea. You will have to remember to patch Postorius again if you ever update it. Also, if for some reason you ever create lists using the `mailman create` utility, `mailman shell`, or a REST API client, these settings will not be applied to those lists. > I added the following 'defaults' in my settings file: > DEFAULT_LIST_SETTINGS = { > 'preferred_language': 'nl', > 'subscription_policy': 'confirm', > 'default_member_action': 'defer', > 'default_nonmember_action': 'hold', > 'reply_goes_to_list': 'point_to_list', > 'reply_to_address': '', > 'max_message_size': 10240, > 'anonymous_list': False, > 'dmarc_mitigate_action': 'munge_from', > 'collapse_alternatives': False, > 'dmarc_mitigate_unconditionally': True, > } Most of the settings above cannot currently be changed in mailman.cfg. However, you can create a plugin to do this without patching any sources. The example plugin <https://gitlab.com/mailman/example-mailman-plugin> shows how to create a trivial style (as well as several components you don't need). See documentation in https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/plugins/do…. For examples of styles, see mailman/styles/default.py. To change the default style, edit (or add) the "default" setting in the "[styles]" section of mailman.cfg. Regards, Steve -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

5 months, 1 week

Postorius with screen readers

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Andrew Hodgson writes: > Just wanting to let people know that since bumping to Postorius > 1.3.3 I am seeing a real improvement in access to the Mailman > settings and tabs using a screen reader with Chrome. Thanks for telling us! > When navigating through the tabs you are hearing two iterations of > the tab, the first for example saying "Held Messages 0 tab" which > is not a link, but then if you arrow down past that you hear "Held > Messages 0" which is advertised as a link and if you hit enter on > those it changes the page to the requested view. I don't think we have accessibility specialists among the developers, although several of us care deeply about it. So I'd like to confirm: the two iterations, one telling you you are on a tab, the other telling you you have a link, is a good thing? Would it be better if you got one notification that there is a tab with a link on it? I don't know if there is anything we can do about that, since our accessibility features come from the Django framework. But I'd like to improve my awareness and knowledge of how these features work for our users in Mailman. Steve

6 years, 3 months

Re: restricting public lists per virtual domain

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/16/21 12:25 PM, David Newman wrote: > Can lists set to be viewable on the index page be limited to the virtual > domain they are a part of? > Have you set FILTER_VHOST = True in your Django settings? This works for HyperKitty and works partially for Postorius. For Postorius, it doesn't work if there are multiple domains with different email hosts which have the visiting host as their web host[1] but works otherwise. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/500 and https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/394 In your case, as long as the domains lists.dom1.tld and lists.dom2.tld have different mail hosts, this should work. [1] An example of what doesn't work in Postorius is the following: Visit https://lists.example.com/mailman3/lists. If there are 2 domains with web host lists.example.com, one of which has mail host example.com and the other has mail host lists.example.com, all lists will be shown regardless of domain. On the other hand, if all the domains with web host lists.example.com have the same email host, say example.com, then only lists with email host example.com will be shown. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 9 months

Re: FW: lists.arun@gmail.com's bounce score incremented on Degrowcali

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/6/25 07:38, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-users wrote: > Whenever I post to this list I get quite a few of these bounce score > messages. How can I obtain a list of actual unsubcribes based on bounce > scores to remaining subscribers please? What can I do to stop this behavior > please? The sending of bounce score incremented notices is controlled by the list's bounce_notify_owner_on_bounce_increment setting exposed in Postorius as Settings -> Bounce Processing -> Notify owner on bounce increment. All bounce processing settings are in Postorius' Settings -> Bounce Processing section. The Users -> members list in Postorius displays the current bounce score for all members. The head of the GitLab branch, not yet released, also displays the member's delivery status, see https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/953. Disabling delivery due to bounces is logged in Mailman's bounce.log with messages like Disabling delivery for user(a)example.com on list mailman-users.mailman3.org by bounce Members whose delivery is disabled by bounce will normally be removed from the list after (Bounce disabled warnings interval)*(Bounce disable warnings) days. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

10 months, 2 weeks

Re: Postorius: Search field in lists overview

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/14/25 23:36, Andreas Vetter wrote: > Hi, > is there a way to search lists in Postorius' Lists overview > https://lists.example.com/mailman3/lists/?all-lists > > Well, one can change "results on page" to 200 and then use the search function > of the browser, but that is some more clicks. No, there is no search function for this. If you know the name you are looking for, e.g., list(a)example.com, you can just go to https://lists.example.com/mailman3/lists/list@example.com/ but if you are looking for lists matching a pattern, there is no Postorius function for that. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 year, 8 months

Postorius, Hyperkitty new release candidates

by Abhilash Raj

Hi Everyone, I am pleased to announce a couple of more releases: - Postorius: 1.3.3rc1 Changelog: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/news.html#rc1 Download: https://pypi.org/project/postorius/1.3.3rc1/ - Hyperkitty: 1.3.3rc1 Changelog: https://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/news.html#rc1 Download: https://pypi.org/project/HyperKitty/1.3.3rc1/ - Mailmanclient: 3.3.1rc1 Changelog: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailmanclient/en/latest/src/mailmanclien… Download: https://pypi.org/project/mailmanclient/3.3.1rc1/ - Django-mailman3: 1.3.3rc1 Changelog: https://gitlab.com/mailman/django-mailman3/-/blob/master/README.rst Download: https://pypi.org/project/django-mailman3/1.3.3rc1/ Python 3.6+ and Django 2.0+ is supported for all of them. Django 3.0 support for Hyperkitty requires manually upgrading a dependency (django-haystack>=3.0b2, once a stable version of this has been released, it shouldn't require manually upgrading). There are tons of bug-fixes across the board and some new features. Biggest visible change is switch to Bootstrap 4, which has been long pending for us. Bootstrap 4 completely changes the CSS grid model using the new Flexbox. There might be some small changes or breakages when using on mobile. Please report such issues to us via Gitlab! Some other notable changes are in Postorius, which includes many more list settings exposed include content filtering settings, bounce processing (which was added in the previous release of Mailman Core) settings and some other ones. You can now also specify a reason when rejecting held messages. There was also a gnarly bug, which caused the name of some members to be the string "None". For the longest time, I couldn't figure out the reason for it, but it ended up being a simple fix in mailmanclient's json serialization of display_name, which would result in Python's None value being passed as string "None" to Mailman's API for subscription. There is also better support for filtering visible lists based on the current vhost, which I see a few people are already waiting for from mailman-users list. A full changelog has been added to each project in the top. These are still pre-releases and if you are installing via pip, you would need the `--pre` flag, for e.g. $ pip install --pre --upgrade postorius hyperkitty As with all other releases, these have also been running on mail.python.org and lists.mailman3.org for some time now, so it should be relatively safe to upgrade to. Stable releases for this is now scheduled in 1 week, hopefully, next weekend. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

6 years, 4 months

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