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Re: Is it possible to grant all users the ability to Create List

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/12/21 8:25 AM, tibor.molnar(a)waltoninstitute.ie wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to know if anyone have implemented this feature or used any workaround to be able to grant users with the ability to create list. This has been a feature in mailman2 where you as a user were able to create list with a password and you did not need to be a superuser in order to do that. I do understand that in the development documentation it states the following: Three of Django’s default User roles are relevant for Postorius: > > Superuser: Can do everything. > AnonymousUser: Can view list index and info pages. > Authenticated users: Can view list index and info pages. Can (un)subscribe from lists. > > Can we maybe add a different user role where the user would be able to create lists? If this is possible would anyone let me know how? The user's `role` is a Django thing. A user can be given either `staff` or `superuser` status or both or neither. As far as Django is concerned, `staff` status only allows the user to visit the Django administration interface. Currently, Postorius has decorators @list_owner_required, @list_moderator_required and @superuser_required defined in postorius/auth/decorators.py. There is also a @login_required decorator in django.contrib.auth.decorators. Postorius decorates the list_new() function in postorius/views/list.py with @login_required and @superuser_required. It would be simple enough to create a new @staff_required decorator which would require staff or superuser status and replace the @superuser_required decorator on the list_new() function with @staff_required. Then any user with `staff` status could create lists. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 11 months

Postorius with screen readers

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Andrew Hodgson writes: > Just wanting to let people know that since bumping to Postorius > 1.3.3 I am seeing a real improvement in access to the Mailman > settings and tabs using a screen reader with Chrome. Thanks for telling us! > When navigating through the tabs you are hearing two iterations of > the tab, the first for example saying "Held Messages 0 tab" which > is not a link, but then if you arrow down past that you hear "Held > Messages 0" which is advertised as a link and if you hit enter on > those it changes the page to the requested view. I don't think we have accessibility specialists among the developers, although several of us care deeply about it. So I'd like to confirm: the two iterations, one telling you you are on a tab, the other telling you you have a link, is a good thing? Would it be better if you got one notification that there is a tab with a link on it? I don't know if there is anything we can do about that, since our accessibility features come from the Django framework. But I'd like to improve my awareness and knowledge of how these features work for our users in Mailman. Steve

6 years

Re: restricting public lists per virtual domain

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/16/21 12:25 PM, David Newman wrote: > Can lists set to be viewable on the index page be limited to the virtual > domain they are a part of? > Have you set FILTER_VHOST = True in your Django settings? This works for HyperKitty and works partially for Postorius. For Postorius, it doesn't work if there are multiple domains with different email hosts which have the visiting host as their web host[1] but works otherwise. See https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/500 and https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/394 In your case, as long as the domains lists.dom1.tld and lists.dom2.tld have different mail hosts, this should work. [1] An example of what doesn't work in Postorius is the following: Visit https://lists.example.com/mailman3/lists. If there are 2 domains with web host lists.example.com, one of which has mail host example.com and the other has mail host lists.example.com, all lists will be shown regardless of domain. On the other hand, if all the domains with web host lists.example.com have the same email host, say example.com, then only lists with email host example.com will be shown. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 6 months

Re: FW: lists.arun@gmail.com's bounce score incremented on Degrowcali

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/6/25 07:38, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-users wrote: > Whenever I post to this list I get quite a few of these bounce score > messages. How can I obtain a list of actual unsubcribes based on bounce > scores to remaining subscribers please? What can I do to stop this behavior > please? The sending of bounce score incremented notices is controlled by the list's bounce_notify_owner_on_bounce_increment setting exposed in Postorius as Settings -> Bounce Processing -> Notify owner on bounce increment. All bounce processing settings are in Postorius' Settings -> Bounce Processing section. The Users -> members list in Postorius displays the current bounce score for all members. The head of the GitLab branch, not yet released, also displays the member's delivery status, see https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/953. Disabling delivery due to bounces is logged in Mailman's bounce.log with messages like Disabling delivery for user(a)example.com on list mailman-users.mailman3.org by bounce Members whose delivery is disabled by bounce will normally be removed from the list after (Bounce disabled warnings interval)*(Bounce disable warnings) days. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 months, 2 weeks

Re: mm3 installation question

by Odhiambo Washington

On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 12:13 PM Stephen J. Turnbull < turnbull.stephen.fw(a)u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote: > Odhiambo Washington writes: > > > Mark Sapiro writes: > > > > Some of the `path` settings are probably not in the same order as > > > in that file. The > > > > > > ``` > > > path('mailman3/', include('postorius.urls')), > > > path('archives/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), > > > ``` > > > settings should come after the > > > ``` > > > path('postorius/', include('postorius.urls')), > > > path('hyperkitty/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), > > > ``` > > > settings (unfortunately, mailman-web 0.0.8 has these in the wrong > > > order). Or you can just delete the 'postorius/' and 'hyperkitty/' > > > ones or you can add > > > ``` > > > ProxyPass "/postorius" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/postorius" > > > ProxyPass "/hyperkitty" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/hyperkitty" > > > ``` > > > to your Apache config. > > > The odd thing is that the HOWTO that he followed never involves the > > manipulation of any urls.py at all - it's not even mentioned at any > > point. So obviously the issue is caused by something else and I > > suspect something within Apache needs to be re-evaluated in the > > guide. > > I believe this is the Apache configuration the OP is using: > > <IfModule mod_proxy.c> > ProxyPreserveHost On > ProxyPass "/mailman3" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/mailman3" > ProxyPass "/archives" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives" > ProxyPass "/accounts" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/accounts" > ProxyPass "/admin" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/admin" > ProxyPass "/user-profile" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/user-profile" > </IfModule> > > Note that Apache doesn't know about the "/postorius" and "/hyperkitty" > URI paths. It is quite unclear to me how this works at all with > either the > > path('mailman3/', include('postorius.urls')), > path('archives/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), > path('postorius/', include('postorius.urls')), > path('hyperkitty/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), > > version of urls.py or the reverse order version > > path('postorius/', include('postorius.urls')), > path('hyperkitty/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), > path('mailman3/', include('postorius.urls')), > path('archives/', include('hyperkitty.urls')), > > I think Mark must have a configuration with > > ProxyPass "/" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/" > > in the Apache configuration in mind? Or an alias or rewrite rule. > Otherwise I don't see how "/postorius" and "/hyperkitty" paths ever > get transmitted to the WSGI server. > My thinking then is that the documentation at https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#apache-configuration needs to be fixed by adding the missing bits, or a urls.py be provided for inclusion in /etc/mailman3/ and which sysadmins can edit to their liking. For example, I'd prefer to have /mm3 instead of /mailman3 to save on transmitted bytes and not clog the Internet pipes :-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

2 years, 3 months

Re: hello， Discussion on how to subscribe to themailing list

by 朱超

thank you for your reply 1. It is not the MTA that refuses to send emails because the recipient's mailbox is too long, but the MUA that refuses to send the email because the recipient's mailbox is too long. Of course, you can use the confirm $token message to dev-request@domain for confirmation. This is a comparison Troublesome process, by visiting https://www.example.com/mailman3/lists/$list_id/confirm/?token=$token, but he reported 404. 2. It is recommended to modify postorius, in order to keep the logic function of the underlying mailman-core unchanged, and optimize postorius at the application layer to increase user experience; even if there is no mailman-web service or postorius service, mailman-core can still run normally. If you look at the separation of the application layer and the underlying software, I think it is possible From: Tom At 2023-01-17 19:44:20, "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephenjturnbull(a)gmail.com> wrote: >朱超 writes: > > > Yes, You got it. It is too cumbersome to ask the user to write a > > reply email for email confirmation. > >Surely clicking on "reply" then "send" is not cumbersome (unless >there's a way to get rid of confirmation altogether). Your problem is >that some of your subscribers can't do that. > >I have not previously heard of a MTA that refuses to *send* mail >because the addressee's mailbox is too long. IIRC there's a limit of >256 characters on domains, but only the (long-obsolete) recommendation >that lines in the message be 998 bytes or less restricts the length of >the local-part. > >I don't really see a good reason to change this default because there >are a number of configurations where there is no web service >available. I suggest a partial remediation in the issue I just filed. >(I think dealing with the rest of the issue is a Simple Matter of >Programming, but the question of determining existence and status of >an appropriate web service is more complex so I did address that.) > > > Why do you need to modify the mailman-core service， > >I suggest we should modify the code of the postorius, > >We are not going to do that, because >1. Mailman provides no guarantee that any web service is present, and > we're not going to make changes that require one. >2. Mailman provids no guarantee that the web service is Postorius > even if there is one, and we are definitely not going to make > creating compatible implementations more annoying than necessary. > > > Currently I have achieved it this way。 > >We encourage you to use your code. ;-) But using it exclusively to >accomplish this change would go against several of our goals in term >of separation of concerns. If we can do it in an alternative way that >serves those goals, there's no point in complexifying Postorius in >this way as well. > >Regards, >Steve >_______________________________________________ >Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > >This message sent to tom_toworld(a)163.com

3 years, 5 months

Re: postorius ssl-certificates for virtual hosts

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/14/19 3:05 PM, Wolfgang Bock via Mailman-users wrote: > > Hello, > > On my server are several virtual hosts running with different lists per > host. The appropriate webaddress is in general: > https://lists.[domain]/mailman3/postorius/lists/[listname].lists.[domain]. > My domains: > [domain-1] starts with a b* > [domain-2] starts with a s* > [domain-3] starts with a t* > > If I use the webadress > https://lists.[domain-1]/mailman3/postorius/lists/[listname].lists.[domain-… > and I do a click on the https-symbol in the address line of my browser I > get the secury-information " every thing is ok" and the > certificate-information is about the wildcard-certificate I just created > for the right domain. > > Different result is for the webadress > https://lists.[domain-2]/mailman3/postorius/lists/[listname].lists.[domain-…. > In this case I get an information like "you are using a wrong > certificate" clicking on the https-symbol references tot he certificate > of [domain-1] > > I set in my apache2 configuration a symbolic link to apache.conf in the > /etc/mailman3/directory and made this active. > > What did I wrong?? Your Apache config needs to define separate a VirtualHost for each domain, either by IP address or ServerName, and each VirtualHost points to its own SSL certificates. > If I set use_https to yes in mailman.cfg I get on the website for all > lists: > > postorius: Something went wrong > Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core. > > In the logs I found … ... > mailman-web.log > ERROR 2019-11-14 22:20:41,471 1405 postorius.middleware Mailman REST API > not available > Traceback (most recent call last): > File > "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", > line 95, in call > response, content = Http().request(url, method, data_str, headers) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1513, > in request > (response, content) = self._request(conn, authority, uri, > request_uri, method, body, headers, redirections, cachekey) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1263, > in _request > (response, content) = self._conn_request(conn, request_uri, method, > body, headers) > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1186, > in _conn_request > conn.connect() > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/httplib2/__init__.py", line 1012, > in connect > self.sock = self._context.wrap_socket(sock, server_hostname=self.host) > File "/usr/lib/python3.7/ssl.py", line 412, in wrap_socket > session=session > File "/usr/lib/python3.7/ssl.py", line 853, in _create > self.do_handshake() > File "/usr/lib/python3.7/ssl.py", line 1117, in do_handshake > self._sslobj.do_handshake() > ssl.SSLError: [SSL: WRONG_VERSION_NUMBER] wrong version number > (_ssl.c:1056) Does your setting in settings(_local).py for MAILMAN_REST_API_URL have an https scheme? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 7 months

Re: Changing default language for lists

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Wessel Kraaij writes: > I changed several defaults in mailman core (e.g. preferred > language). Do you mean "default_language"? There is no default "preferred language"; that's a list-specific setting. And what do you mean by "changed in mailman core"? Settings in mailman.cfg? Source patches? > However, Postorius (maxking version) initializes the defaults for > new lists and overrides the core defaults using a PATCH call on the > REST API. I don't understand why that would happen. The core defaults are the source of the initial values in the create list form. Specifically, when Postorius creates a list, it initializes a proxy object in mailmanclient, which talks REST API to Mailman core, which creates an actual MailingList object. This uses the defaults from the system_defaults object or default style if one is defined. This is reflected in Postorius's proxy MailingList, which is used to initialize values in the form presented to the administrator. Then they can change various aspects of the list's identity including preferred language from that form. So if you have set default_language in the [mailman] section of mailman.cfg, you should get the desired initial preferred language for your lists. As far as I know, this hasn't been reported before. It's not happening to most installations (and many of them do specify default_language). It's true that docker-mailman is not the most common configuration, but it does use stock mailman and postorius from PyPI. So I really don't understand why you have a problem if you are creating mailman.cfg correctly. > With the aid of some gentle AI chatbot, Heaven preserve us from *all* AI chatbots, gentle or violent. All are sources of bad advice and annoyance to volunteer software maintainers. You absolutely should not need to patch any code to do what you want to do with preferred_language. > Here is the code snippet [added to list_new in > postorius/views/list.py] that solved my issue This is a bad idea. You will have to remember to patch Postorius again if you ever update it. Also, if for some reason you ever create lists using the `mailman create` utility, `mailman shell`, or a REST API client, these settings will not be applied to those lists. > I added the following 'defaults' in my settings file: > DEFAULT_LIST_SETTINGS = { > 'preferred_language': 'nl', > 'subscription_policy': 'confirm', > 'default_member_action': 'defer', > 'default_nonmember_action': 'hold', > 'reply_goes_to_list': 'point_to_list', > 'reply_to_address': '', > 'max_message_size': 10240, > 'anonymous_list': False, > 'dmarc_mitigate_action': 'munge_from', > 'collapse_alternatives': False, > 'dmarc_mitigate_unconditionally': True, > } Most of the settings above cannot currently be changed in mailman.cfg. However, you can create a plugin to do this without patching any sources. The example plugin <https://gitlab.com/mailman/example-mailman-plugin> shows how to create a trivial style (as well as several components you don't need). See documentation in https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/plugins/do…. For examples of styles, see mailman/styles/default.py. To change the default style, edit (or add) the "default" setting in the "[styles]" section of mailman.cfg. Regards, Steve -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

2 months, 1 week

Re: Delete User

by Mark Sapiro

On 05/25/2018 02:41 PM, Kaleb White wrote: > Is it possible to delete a user from postorius completely so that they cannot log in again? Users and their email addresses appear in multiple places. A user can be a member, owner and/or moderator of one or more email lists. These roles are all maintained in Mailman core, but can be accessed and deleted via Postorius. A user's actual login for Postorius and HyperKitty is maintaind in Django and a user can be deleted via the Django admin interface. That would prevent the user from logging in, but I don't think anything prevents the user from re-registering with the same email address. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

8 years

Re: MM3 not starting afte an upgrade -addendum

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/27/20 12:38 AM, Gelpi Andrea wrote: > To solve the problem I had to remove VHOST parameter from config file. > I remember that Vhost was mandatory for my configuration when I set it > up two month ago. > So I don't understand why now I had to remove it to have MM3 working. Are you talking about FILTER_VHOST in your Django settings(_local).py or something else. If something else, I don't know what. If FILTER_VHOST, It has nothing to do with Mailman core. There is this issue with Postorius <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/394> which is fixed in Postorius 1.3.3. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 10 months

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