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Re: Newbie hyperkitty question

by Stephen Daniel

Thanks. Very helpful. On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 2:03 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 1/11/22 8:27 AM, Stephen Daniel wrote: > > Mailman users -- > > > > I am setting up a new mailman3 installation, and this is my first > > experience with the suite. All of the software is up and running, but I > > cannot tell if hyperkitty is actually running. > > > In Postorius, in the list's `info` view can you click the Archives > button and see archived messages? That's HyperKitty. > > If the messages aren't there with the hyperkitty archiving option > enabled, check `mailman.log` for why. > > Also do messages from the list have an Archived-At: header? > > > > When I look at my test mailing list, two archive options are available, > > hyperkitty and "prototype", and both are enabled. I can see that my > email > > is being archived, but I think "prototype" is what is doing the > archiving. > > I see that a test message will end up in > > > /opt/mailman/mm/var/archives/prototype/<LISTNAME>@<LISTDOMAIN.org>/new/164.... > > and nowhere else. This suggests that "prototype" is archiving, but > > hyperkitty is not. > > > No this says the prototype archiver is working. It says nothing about > Hyperkitty. > > > > So, this opens up a raft of questions on hyperkitty: > > > David Newman has answered some of this, but ... > > > > - How do I tell if hyperkitty is actually running? > > > It doesn't actually run. it is a Django web UI and a web API that serves > things on request. > > > > - Does hyperkitty have a web-UI for admins or users? How would I > access > > it? > > See above. > > > > - I can not find any documentation on hyperkitty, other than > > installation instructions and change logs. Does documentation exist? > > No, not really. > > > > - How do I set policies on how long archives are kept? > > - Assuming I want to back up my archives, what do I need to back up? > > > Messages are kept forever unless you do something to delete them. > HyperKitty's messages are stored in the database configured in the > DATABASES setting in your Django settings. How you backup the database > depends on the database manager. You already found the prototype > archiver's messages. > > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >

3 years, 4 months

Re: About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification

by Onyeibo Oku

Help! Regards Onyeibo On Thu Oct 13, 2022 at 6:03 AM WAT, Onyeibo Oku wrote: > On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 17:52:47 -0700 > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > Thanks Eggert and Sapiro. > > > > > As Eggert suggests, see > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html and > > follow that. > > I already started out on the above route. Its an adaptation because I > am running Fedora. I had no problem with system-wide installations via > dnf package management. However, some parts of the documentation does > not add up. > > > You don't need to download the source from GitLab. > > Following that doc will get the latest releases from PyPI via pip. > > Those are still somewhat out of date - we really should make new > > releases - so if you want the latest from GitLab, there are a couple > > of ways to do it. Perhaps the easiest is to just run the various `pip > > install` commands as documented and then upgrade Mailman core in your > > venv with ``` > > pip install --upgrade git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman@master > > ``` > > and update the various mailman web packages with > > ``` > > pip install --upgrade git+https://gitlab.com/mailman/xxx@master > > ``` > > where xxx is mailman-web, mailman-hyperkitty, django-mailman3, > > postorius, hyperkitty. I.e., run it 5 times, once for each value of > > xxx. > > > > I will come to this eventually (assuming that does not break things > later). I aim to get it all working with regular pip packages first. I > have installed mailman core already. > > Fedora expects mailman files to reside at /usr/lib/mailman. It appears > to ship with a mailman unix user. I adapted to those system defaults. > > Now I observe that "su - mailman" gives me the proper prompt but > .bashrc doesn't kick in. I still have to manually change to the > virtual environment despite setting the automatic change in .bashrc. > However, "su mailman" runs .bashrc but the prompt says "bash X.XX $". > Is this normal? > > Subsequent parts of the doc show the path "/opt/mailman/mm/var/*" which > should correspond to "/usr/lib/mailman/mm/var/*" on my instance. > However, I don't see any instructions on how to get the "/mm" folder > and the associated sub-folders. I just have "/usr/lib/mailman" > > I am lost > > "pip list" within the venv environment confirms that I have "mailman > 3.3.5". What am I missing? > > Regards > Onyeibo > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

2 years, 7 months

Re: Missing Base64 encoding from control message reply

by Jana Berger

On 22.09.2023 18:32, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > lists-mailman3(a)janaberger.de writes: > > > I have a setup with GNU Mailman 3.3.8 where a user tried to > > subscribe. When replying to the "confirm" message, the user > > received a completely garbled response, like so: > > > > N?z?????zf???&???j?????u?[zZ0:???v???,j?z???k?e?0 > > > 4D???r?^b??r?????*'???y????{ax?L?X????0:???v???,j?z???k?d?m?-???zz?rn??l]y+???-E?( > > > ?^N??'??M???t???Mz?????^i?????}?o?\????6sN?zf??????r??z?????????b?{h?????f?r?ne== > > To diagnose, we really need to see that in context of the raw message > as received by the user. You can see the same or similar result by opening the EML I quoted. Does the list support attachments? Then I will attach the file directly. > > > The user then forwarded the .eml file to me, which clearly shows > > the contents of the mail as plain text while being announced as > > base64 (Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64): > > It also clearly doesn't show anything like the mojibake above. What > is the relation between the two? Sorry, I should have made that clearer - when opening the EML file with e.g. Thunderbird, the contents (message text) of the mail as displayed is the garbled string. I assume it is the result of Thunderbird trying to process the contents as base64-encoded, which it is not. > > While the problems could be related to Mailman, it could also be any > MTA along the way or the user's mail client. > > I suspect that the .eml file has been significantly altered by > intervening software. As far as I know, the Python email package does > not MIME-encode plain ASCII text as you see in the email's subject. I have multiple control messages, all received from my instance which all contain the "Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64" marker, their contents is plain text (Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"), but they are still encoded using base64. Of course that is not proof, but an indication that it is either done by the mail server itself or widely across MUAs. > > The only other thing I can think of is it might have something to do > with your internationalization settings. What is the default language > of the list? (This is available in Postorius.) Have you changed the > default encoding for English on your site? (I think you need to look > in mailman.cfg for this.) What is the default language of the site? Global "Preferred language" is "English (USA)", which is not overridden by the list in question. I have not changed the default encoding. Is there a surefire way to detect this? My mailman.cfg has no section pertaining to encoding, and all related files also do not mention encoding.

1 year, 8 months

Re: mailman3 on new Debian 12 installation, got ssl apache working on all URLs except /mailman3

by Odhiambo Washington

On Fri, Mar 28, 2025 at 12:06 AM Philip Bondi <pjbondi(a)systemdatabase.com> wrote: > LE and certbot created those paths for me, somehow. Both on CentOS and > Debian. Don't know why. Checked my putty logs. Cannot find the first > emergence of strange path. You guys are superheroes. > > Debian 12: > > <PRE> > pjbondi@shackleton12:~$ sudo -i > root@shackleton12:~# cat /etc/os-release > PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)" > NAME="Debian GNU/Linux" > VERSION_ID="12" > VERSION="12 (bookworm)" > VERSION_CODENAME=bookworm > ID=debian > HOME_URL="https://www.debian.org/" > SUPPORT_URL="https://www.debian.org/support" > BUG_REPORT_URL="https://bugs.debian.org/" > root@shackleton12:~# ls -alF /etc/letsencrypt/live/ > total 32 > drwx------ 7 root root 4096 Nov 29 07:57 ./ > drwxr-xr-x 9 root root 4096 Mar 27 15:02 ../ > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 740 Nov 27 10:27 README > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Mar 6 09:03 systemdatabase.ca/ > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Mar 6 09:03 systemdatabase.ca-0001/ > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Mar 6 09:04 systemdatabase.com/ > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Mar 6 09:04 systemdatabase.com-0001/ > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Mar 6 09:04 systemdatabase.homelinux.com/ > root@shackleton12:~# > </PRE> > > CentOS 7: > > <PRE> > [1004] $ cat /etc/os-release > NAME="CentOS Linux" > VERSION="7 (Core)" > ID="centos" > ID_LIKE="rhel fedora" > VERSION_ID="7" > PRETTY_NAME="CentOS Linux 7 (Core)" > ANSI_COLOR="0;31" > CPE_NAME="cpe:/o:centos:centos:7" > HOME_URL="https://www.centos.org/" > BUG_REPORT_URL="https://bugs.centos.org/" > > CENTOS_MANTISBT_PROJECT="CentOS-7" > CENTOS_MANTISBT_PROJECT_VERSION="7" > REDHAT_SUPPORT_PRODUCT="centos" > REDHAT_SUPPORT_PRODUCT_VERSION="7" > > [1005] $ ls -alF /etc/letsencrypt/live/ > total 4 > drwx------. 7 root root 168 Aug 15 2023 ./ > drwxr-xr-x. 9 root root 108 Jan 19 03:22 ../ > -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 740 Jul 2 2020 README > drwxr-xr-x. 2 root root 93 Jan 19 2023 systemdatabase.ca/ > drwxr-xr-x. 2 root root 112 Jan 19 03:22 systemdatabase.ca-0001/ > drwxr-xr-x. 2 root root 112 Feb 5 2021 systemdatabase.com/ > drwxr-xr-x. 2 root root 112 Jan 19 03:21 systemdatabase.com-0001/ > drwxr-xr-x. 2 root root 112 Jan 19 03:20 systemdatabase.homelinux.com/ > </PRE> > > Again. We're almost there with ssl apache configs. > - works for LE challenge and Subversion https://systemdatabase.ca/ > - 6 paths work for MM3 https://systemdatabase.ca/postorius/, etc > - But https://systemdatabase.ca/mailman3 fails > So, might you be having a file named /etc/mailman3/urls.py and what does it contain? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

2 months, 1 week

Re: Archive not updated

by Marc SCHAEFER

Hello, On Mon, Sep 02, 2024 at 09:08:09AM -0000, mailman3--- via Mailman-users wrote: > Debian bookworm Archival works here. Here is my simplified auto-deployement script (some might not be useful to you, I am using a local Postfix): PS: replace services_install by apt-get install djangoauth=@@@REPLACE # this is a bash array: server, user, pw psqlauth=@@@REPLACE services_install postfix (while read line do case $line in *=*) postconf -e "$line";; *) echo "TOSSING: $line" >&2;; esac done) <<EOF myhostname = $lists mydestination = $lists mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 inet_protocols = ipv4 inet_interfaces = all transport_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp local_recipient_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp relay_domains = hash:/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_domains relayhost = @@@REPLACE EOF cat >> /etc/aliases <<EOF postorius: root www-data: root root: ${djangoauth[1]} EOF newaliases services_install dbconfig-pgsql cat > /etc/dbconfig-common/mailman3.conf <<EOF dbc_install='true' dbc_upgrade='true' dbc_remove='false' dbc_dbtype='pgsql' dbc_dbuser='${psqlauth[1]}' dbc_dbpass='${psqlauth[2]}' dbc_dbserver='${psqlauth[0]}' dbc_dbname='mailman' dbc_dbadmin='postgres' EOF sed < /etc/dbconfig-common/mailman3.conf \ > /etc/dbconfig-common/mailman3-web.conf \ "s/^dbc_dbname=.*/dbc_dbname='mailmanweb'/" chmod 600 /etc/dbconfig-common/mailman3.conf \ /etc/dbconfig-common/mailman3-web.conf services_install mailman3-full mailman3-web sed --in-place "s/^site_owner: .*/site_owner: ${djangoauth[1]}/" \ /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg # archiving mails from mailing-lists automatically cat >> /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg <<'EOF' [archiver.hyperkitty] class: mailman_hyperkitty.Archiver enable: yes configuration: /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg [styles] default: private-default EOF # enable archiver key sed -i "s%^api_key:.*%api_key: $(egrep MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py | awk '{print $NF;}' | sed "s/'//g")%" /etc/mailman3/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg # work-around: SQLAlchemy no longer supports "postgres" sed --in-place "s%^url: postgres://%url: postgresql://%" \ /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg sed --in-place "s/.*'Mailman Suite Admin', 'root@localhost').*/('Mailman Suite Admin', '${djangoauth[1]}'),/;s/^EMAILNAME\s*=.*/EMAILNAME = '$lists'/;/django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora/d" /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py # aliases mailman <-> postfix mkdir -p /var/lib/mailman3/data chown list:list /var/lib/mailman3/data for i in postfix_lmtp postfix_lmtp postfix_domains do touch /var/lib/mailman3/data/$i postmap /var/lib/mailman3/data/$i done chown list:list /var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_* # work-around for django_q # (does not seem to work, and DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD should be also # configured to django.db.models.BigAutoField) dpkg-divert --rename /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_q/conf.py sed < /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_q/conf.py.distrib \ > /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_q/conf.py \ 's%TIMEOUT = conf.get("timeout", None)%TIMEOUT = conf.get("timeout", 59)%' pkill -e -2 --full 'python3 manage.py qcluster' || true # fix example.com PGPASSWORD=${psqlauth[2]} psql -h ds-services-psql -U ${psqlauth[1]} mailmanweb -c "UPDATE django_site SET domain = '$lists', name = '$lists' WHERE id = 1" # workaround required? #chgrp list /var/lib/mailman3/locks/ #chmod g+rwx /var/lib/mailman3/locks/ chgrp list /var/log/mailman3/*.log # https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/3.0/ref/django-admin/#django-admin-create… env DJANGO_SUPERUSER_PASSWORD=${djangoauth[3]} \ DJANGO_SUPERUSER_USERNAME=${djangoauth[2]} \ DJANGO_SUPERUSER_EMAIL=${djangoauth[1]} \ mailman-web createsuperuser --noinput \ || echo "django super user already exists in DB, ignored" # then I migrate the lists

9 months

Re: Can creating too many Django accounts crash Mailman3 server?

by Abhilash Raj

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020, at 12:09 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Mohsen Masoudfar writes: > > > It seems anybody can go to the site: > > https://LISTSERVNAME/mailman3/postorius/lists/ > > and click on the [Sign up] on the top-right corner and create an > > account. > > Yes. > > > This can easily be automated, even though the next step, confirming > > the email address, being ignored. I believe it can be used as a > > target for a DOS attack by creating so many accounts, that > > eventually causes an 'out of space' error. > > > > Is this a justified concern? > > "Justified" depends on who you think the attacker is. Theoretically > it's a real possibility, but the space used by an unverified account > is not large. I suspect there are always much more painful DoS > attacks to worry about. > > > Is there a way to manage this feature in a secure way? > > In some sense, I don't think there is. The point of the feature is to > allow anybody to sign up without authentication beyond having a usable > email address. Either you allow the DoS attack or anything you do is > likely to deny service to legitimate users. > > Brian's approach (cron job purging unverified users) is generally good > hygiene, but I don't think it would do much against an deliberate > attack. And it shouldn't be hard to automate the confirmation > process. I guess you could handle that by purging accounts with no > subscriptions or other roles on any lists, but that might annoy a few > legitimate users. > > Probably the best you could do for an open server would be to throttle > user creation to say 1 per minute (adjustable to the scale of your > site). > > I don't know if there is currently a way to require admin approval for > account creation (as opposed to list subscription). Perhaps we should > add that if we don't have it. I checked django-allauth, it doesn't have a feature like that. We could implement something on-top of that to optionally allow for admin approval but some other details would need to be figured out and would be a sizeable task involving a new view for account approvals. We potentially also would have to modify the models used in django-allauth to add the flag for "approved", which I am not sure would be an easy task to figure out. Perhaps, it might be easier to make a feature request and implement it in django-allauth though. > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

4 years, 8 months

Re: Bulk changes to delivery mode and moderation action

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/7/22 11:06 AM, David Newman wrote: > > 1. In Users/Members, moderation action for the newly resubscribed users > shows as "None". Is there a method, either in the UI or the command > line, to change this to "Default processing" for all users? I assume you don't want to set `Default action to take when a member posts to the list` to Default Processing because you want new member posts to be held. This is a good practice. To set all members to default processing in mailman shell ``` $ mailman shell -l list.example.com Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. The variable 'm' is the list.example.com mailing list >>> from mailman.interfaces.action import Action >>> for mbr in m.members.members: ... mbr.moderation_action = Action.defer ... >>> commit() >>> ``` > 2. Although Delivery Mode shows as "Regular" for all users in > Users/Members list, clicking on a member's name shows all options such > as delivery status, delivery mode, etc., as undefined. They show as undefined, but if you look at your own settings by selecting `Mailman settings` from the dropdown under your username at the upper right in Postorius, you will see you have Global Mailman preferences, Address-based preferences and List-based preferences. If a list based preference is unset for a list, it falls back to the address based preference for the address and if that's unset, to the global preference. When you as an admin look at a user, you only see the user's list based preferences. > Similar question: How to set subscriber options for all members in one go? Per the above, you only need to set the user's preferences if they don't have address based preferences and the preference differs from the global (default) preferences. However, if you want to set the member's list preferences, you could add to the beginning of the above: ``` >>> from mailman.interfaces.member import DeliveryMode, DeliveryStatus >>> english = getUtility(ILanguageManager).get('en') ``` and to the `for` loop in the above: ``` ... mbr.preferences.acknowledge_posts = False ... mbr.preferences.delivery_mode = DeliveryMode.regular ... mbr.preferences.delivery_status = DeliveryStatus.enabled ... mbr.preferences.hide_address = False ... mbr.preferences.preferred_language = english ... mbr.preferences.receive_list_copy = False ... mbr.preferences.receive_own_postings = True ``` Or whatever you think these settings should be. > 3. As a subscriber to this list, I received email notification that I'd > been unsubscribed. Where is the control for enabling/disabling > subscription notifications? Settings -> Automatic Responses > Settings/Member Policy/Un-subscription Policy is set to Confirm, but I > don't think that's relevant here since I unsubscribed users as the > Django superuser. Correct. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 4 months

Re: There are currently no mailing lists!?

by Christian

I meant to say I updated Buster. When I ran 'sudo systemctl start mailman' I get Job for mailman.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status mailman.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details. root@lists:~# systemctl status mailman.service ● mailman.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/mailman.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Tue 2024-07-23 04:15:47 PDT; 10s ago Process: 1357 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=2) Jul 23 04:15:46 lists.gaiapacha.ie systemd[1]: Starting GNU Mailing List Manager... Jul 23 04:15:47 lists.gaiapacha.ie mailman[1357]: Usage: mailman start [OPTIONS] Jul 23 04:15:47 lists.gaiapacha.ie mailman[1357]: Try 'mailman start -h' for help. Jul 23 04:15:47 lists.gaiapacha.ie mailman[1357]: Error: A previous run of GNU Mailman did not exit cleanly (stale_lock). Try using --force Jul 23 04:15:47 lists.gaiapacha.ie systemd[1]: mailman.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=2/INVALIDARGUMENT Jul 23 04:15:47 lists.gaiapacha.ie systemd[1]: mailman.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. Jul 23 04:15:47 lists.gaiapacha.ie systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. root@lists:~# journalctl -xe Jul 23 04:14:54 lists.gaiapacha.ie postfix/smtpd[1042]: 591AD2403D7: client=localhost[127.0.0.1] Jul 23 04:14:54 lists.gaiapacha.ie postfix/cleanup[1046]: 591AD2403D7: warning: header Subject: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Service Unavailable: /mailman3/system/ from localhost[127 Jul 23 04:14:54 lists.gaiapacha.ie postfix/cleanup[1046]: 591AD2403D7: message-id=<172173329436.628.16645057357232267420(a)lists.gaiapacha.ie> Jul 23 04:14:54 lists.gaiapacha.ie postfix/qmgr[744]: 591AD2403D7: from=<noreply(a)lists.gaiapacha.ie>, size=19287, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jul 23 04:14:54 lists.gaiapacha.ie postfix/smtpd[1042]: disconnect from localhost[127.0.0.1] ehlo=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 quit=1 commands=5 Jul 23 04:14:54 lists.gaiapacha.ie postfix/smtp[1047]: 591AD2403D7: to=<csa(a)web-analysts.net>, relay=box.ecovillage.cc[45.79.28.18]:25, delay=0.15, delays=0/0/0/0.14, dsn=2.0.0, statu Jul 23 04:14:54 lists.gaiapacha.ie postfix/qmgr[744]: 591AD2403D7: removed Jul 23 04:14:54 lists.gaiapacha.ie kernel: [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=f2:3c:94:e9:54:57:00:00:0c:9f:f0:1e:08:00 SRC=104.156.155.36 DST=192.46.218.224 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=2 Jul 23 04:14:55 lists.gaiapacha.ie kernel: [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=f2:3c:94:e9:54:57:00:00:0c:9f:f0:1e:08:00 SRC=3.142.189.15 DST=192.46.218.224 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=234 Jul 23 04:14:56 lists.gaiapacha.ie kernel: [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=f2:3c:94:e9:54:57:00:00:0c:9f:f0:1e:08:00 SRC=103.99.1.78 DST=192.46.218.224 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=238 Jul 23 04:14:57 lists.gaiapacha.ie python[621]: looking for plugins in '/usr/lib64/sasl2', failed to open directory, error: No such file or directory Jul 23 04:14:58 lists.gaiapacha.ie python[639]: looking for plugins in '/usr/lib64/sasl2', failed to open directory, error: No such file or directory Jul 23 04:14:59 lists.gaiapacha.ie kernel: [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=f2:3c:94:e9:54:57:00:00:0c:9f:f0:1e:08:00 SRC=45.227.253.131 DST=192.46.218.224 LEN=40 TOS=0x08 PREC=0x20 TTL=2 Jul 23 04:14:59 lists.gaiapacha.ie kernel: [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=f2:3c:94:e9:54:57:00:00:0c:9f:f0:1e:08:00 SRC=104.156.155.36 DST=192.46.218.224 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=2 Jul 23 04:15:01 lists.gaiapacha.ie CRON[1135]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0) Jul 23 04:15:01 lists.gaiapacha.ie CRON[1136]: (root) CMD (command -v debian-sa1 > /dev/null && debian-sa1 1 1) Jul 23 04:15:01 lists.gaiapacha.ie CRON[1135]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root Jul 23 04:15:03 lists.gaiapacha.ie kernel: [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=f2:3c:94:e9:54:57:00:00:0c:9f:f0:1e:08:00 SRC=79.110.62.133 DST=192.46.218.224 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=23 Jul 23 04:15:25 lists.gaiapacha.ie kernel: [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=f2:3c:94:e9:54:57:00:00:0c:9f:f0:1e:08:00 SRC=104.156.155.36 DST=192.46.218.224 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=2 Jul 23 04:15:46 lists.gaiapacha.ie systemd[1]: Starting GNU Mailing List Manager... -- Subject: A start job for unit mailman.service has begun execution -- Defined-By: systemd -- Support: https://www.debian.org/support -- -- A start job for unit mailman.service has begun execution. -- -- The job identifier is 239. Jul 23 04:15:47 lists.gaiapacha.ie mailman[1357]: Usage: mailman start [OPTIONS] Jul 23 04:15:47 lists.gaiapacha.ie mailman[1357]: Try 'mailman start -h' for help. Jul 23 04:15:47 lists.gaiapacha.ie mailman[1357]: Error: A previous run of GNU Mailman did not exit cleanly (stale_lock). Try using --force Jul 23 04:15:47 lists.gaiapacha.ie kernel: [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=f2:3c:94:e9:54:57:00:00:0c:9f:f0:1e:08:00 SRC=172.206.148.147 DST=192.46.218.224 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL= Jul 23 04:15:47 lists.gaiapacha.ie systemd[1]: mailman.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=2/INVALIDARGUMENT -- Subject: Unit process exited -- Defined-By: systemd -- Support: https://www.debian.org/support -- -- An ExecStart= process belonging to unit mailman.service has exited. -- -- The process' exit code is 'exited' and its exit status is 2. Jul 23 04:15:47 lists.gaiapacha.ie systemd[1]: mailman.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. -- Subject: Unit failed -- Defined-By: systemd -- Support: https://www.debian.org/support -- -- The unit mailman.service has entered the 'failed' state with result 'exit-code'. Jul 23 04:15:47 lists.gaiapacha.ie systemd[1]: Failed to start GNU Mailing List Manager. -- Subject: A start job for unit mailman.service has failed -- Defined-By: systemd -- Support: https://www.debian.org/support -- -- A start job for unit mailman.service has finished with a failure. -- -- The job identifier is 239 and the job result is failed. Jul 23 04:16:04 lists.gaiapacha.ie kernel: [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=f2:3c:94:e9:54:57:00:00:0c:9f:f0:1e:08:00 SRC=79.110.62.213 DST=192.46.218.224 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=23 lines 1745-1798/1798 (END) -----Original Message----- From: Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2024 3:48 PM To: csa(a)web-analysts.net Cc: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Re: There are currently no mailing lists!? On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 9:06 PM Christian via Mailman-users < mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > I recently upgraded Debian 10 'buster' and when I logged in to > Postorius in the browser I got the ' Mailman REST API not available. > Please start Mailman core' message. So I started it up from the > command line doing 'sudo -u mailman /opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/mailman > start -f' which yielded > You upgraded Debian from Buster to what??? Bullseye or Bookworm? Why not just 'sudo systemctl start mailman'? > Starting Mailman's master runner > Generating MTA alias maps > mailman@lists: > > Now when I do ' > https://lists.ccalternatives.org/mailman3/lists/?all-lists > ' > in my browser I get the message ' There are currently no mailing lists.' > Meanwhile their archives exist. Are the lists actually gone or ? > The lists are there since your DB is intact and your venv is intact as well. > > What am I doing wrong/what's going on here please? Thank you in advance. > I suspect your Python was upgraded to a version different than the one you use to create your virtualenv in the 1st place. If that is the case, you'll need to create a new virtualenv and migrate the data. > One more thing...I am running mailman core version GNU Mailman 3.3.5, > Core API Version 3.1, and Core Python Version 3.7.3. > Is there a reason you did not upgrade MM3 core and MM3 Web all this time? Anyway, check the version of Python used to build your virtualenv against the system version after you upgraded: # cat /opt/mailman/mm/venv/pyvenv.cfg home = /usr/local/bin include-system-site-packages = false version = 3.11.2 executable = /usr/local/bin/python3.11 command = /usr/local/bin/python -m venv /opt/mailman/mm/venv If older than the system version, you just need to build a new virtualenv and migrate the data. HTH. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ Archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… This message sent to csa(a)web-analysts.net

10 months, 2 weeks

Re: Mails are not archived at all -- how to check if Hyperkitty is running or not?

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Franklin Weng writes: > In Debian's setting, under /usr/share/mailman3-web/ are these files: > > manage.py > settings_local.py -> /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py > settings_local.py.sample > settings.py > urls.py > wsgi.py That looks right. This is a typical Debian approach to preserving local configuration automatically when Debian is upgraded. > In the top of settings_locas.py there are comments saying that this > file is to override default settings in > /usr/share/mailman3-web/settings.py, so I suppose hyperkitty > database should define here, Yes. > though it is different from /usr/share/mailman3-web/settings.py. In Debian, you can't control the contents of that file. It may be overwritten in any upgrade. That's why the settings_local.py approach is used. > In the settings_local.py, it defines sqliet3 and the file of 'NAME' > /var/lib/mailman3/web/mailman3web.db exists and is a sqlite3 format file. That's OK (until you need higher performance). > But in settings.py (which is supposed to be overridden by setting_local.py) > it defines using postgresql, which doesn't exist in my Debian system. I assume it is overridden, unless Debian really messed up its packaging. But it seem to be working for other users (at least, no complaints I can recall). > Is there any log I can trace the executing path? You really don't want to do that. > 14233 ? Ss 0:01 /usr/bin/uwsgi --plugin python3 --ini > /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini > 14236 ? Sl 0:00 /usr/bin/uwsgi --plugin python3 --ini > /etc/mailman3/uwsgi.ini I don't know much about uswgi, so I can't say whether multiple processes with the same invocation is a problem. It's something to keep in mind. Recently uwsgi is problematic. There are multiple threads in the last few weeks. Unfortunately, Mailman devs are mostly using Apache + mod_swgi or gunicorn, so we can't be terribly helpful if there is a problem with uwsgi. Apparently the Apache process with mod_swgi is irrelevant. > The /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log is at > https://pastebin.com/U3jHR6JS That log looks perfectly normal to me. Since the log looks normal, you don't need to worry about uwsgi yet, but you should review the threads in our archives. The only thing that strikes me about the log is that there are no accesses to ".../hyperkitty/api/...", which is how HyperKitty receives messages to archive. Perhaps you simply didn't send any messages during the period of the captured log, but if you did, it should be there. Three questions: 1. Do you have HyperKitty configured as the Mailman archiver in Mailman? 2. In mailman.cfg do you have [archiver.hyperkitty] class: mailman_hyperkitty.Archiver enable: yes configuration: /path/to/here/mailman-hyperkitty.cfg where the "configuration" value should give the full path to a mailman-hyperkitty.cfg file? 3. Do your lists have archiving configured on in Postorius? Steve

5 years, 7 months

Re: Mailman, etc. upgrade woes and persistent bugs

by Allan Hansen

Hi Stephen, Thank you for your response. I have let my users/moderators know how few resources are available for developing Mailman - that it’s not a system supported by hundreds of highly paid developers, testers, security experts, product managers, etc., and that the software is public-domain code. My own involvement in this is similar to yours. A note to flush bounces to people upgrading may be a good idea. And yes, the disabled accounts were mostly on busy lists, but not all. I should also mention that a heck of a lot of them were sbcglobal.net users, which was interesting. AT&T apparently is not doing a good job for their clients (and they do have armies of staff who could). Maybe your users have better service providers than mine. As for looking at subscription options, I have an authenticated (verified) Django account that I use for testing (non-owner but moderator). When I log in to that account (or as list owner with my usual account), the only field that is filled out in the ‘Subscription options’ dialog is the ‘Select Email’ pulldown menu. So yes, I think that there is an issue here. I agree with you that to provide access to this information for people who don’t have verified Django accounts does not make sense. But those who have set up accounts should, and the moderators and owners definitely should. If not being able to see these settings is specific to my installation, I would appreciate getting it fixed. If needed I can provide screen shots to prove authentication and issue. Once a setting is modified, it becomes visible then and afterwards! I thought about contacting you all at the time, but figured that I needed to get this done promptly (based on the reactions from my users/moderators, which were very prompt). :-) Finally, about the ‘Change Address’ feature: It’s really not complicated, Stephen, or rather, it should not be. People all the time move from one provider (like sbcglobal, hopefully) to another (like gmail). When they do, they generally want all instances of their old address strings everywhere necessary in Mailman/Postorius to be replaced with the new address, so they can use that instead. This is how the ‘Apply Globally’ address change worked in MM2 and that was more than good enough. If there are other use cases where they need to retain the old address for whatever reason, they would not use this feature, but add the new address to their account and then manage the old in some other way. Of the thousands of subscribers I have, maybe a handful are interested in maintaining more than one subscription address. All the rest simply use one address and when they get a new email address they want to use that instead for all their subscriptions everywhere and never see the old one again (other than in the archives, of course). Period. It’s really that simple in 99.9 % of the cases. Please don’t hold this up for the 0.1%. Yours, Allan

4 years, 3 months

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