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Re: configuring postfix local recipient table

by Odhiambo Washington

On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 5:56 PM Alexander Inzinger-Zrock via Mailman-users < mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > **System Key Data** > OS: Debian 12 > mailman: GNU Mailman 3.3.10 (Tom Sawyer) > Python: Python 3.11.2 (main, Nov 30 2024, 21:22:50) [GCC 12.2.0] > Method: Python Virtual Environment Installation > > > Ahoi, > > i am trying to configure a mailman3 instance > to replace a mailman2 installation (both on different hosts). > The mm3 instance is actually not reachable (Incoming) but can send > (Outgoing), > as is the desired state to be (we intend to swap IPs during change of > systems). > > A. Verify Incoming > > To verify that emails send to the MTA (postfix) get properly handled > and handed over to the mm3-instance i tried to substitute incoming email by > > a) swaks utility [1] (fail) > b) telnet utility [2] (fail) > c) command ''mailman inject'' [3] (success) > > With c) i copied a former generate testmail-file to the mm3-host > and injected it directly to my testlist (leaving out the MTA). > > With a) and b) i tried to hand over a testmail via CLI to the MTA (postfix) > what resulted in the error: > > "Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table" > > > B. /etc/postfix/main.cfg > > A search in mailman-users(a)mailman3.org archives [4] pointed me to the > configuration of postfix as MTA [5], especially settings with the > 'local_recipients_maps' parameter that should be set like [5]: > > local_recipient_maps = proxy:unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps > hash:/path-to-mailman/var/data/postfix_lmtp > > what i did / already had done. > > > C. aliasing, restarting services and test without , > > I then restarted postfix, rebuilt the postfix aliases (command > ''newaliases'') > and rebuilt the mailman aliases (command ''mailman aliases''), > even tried with space-separation instead of coma-separation [6], > testet again with same result. > > > D. empty /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp > > and then i just found out that my postfix_lmpt file was empty > (that i believe to be the the place from where the hastables take their > input). > > > Questions: > > 1. could somebody suggest a way, an entry should occur in postfix_lmtp? > 2. What would be the appropriate order to manually generate aliases? > first: postfix-command ''newaliases'' and > second: mailman-command ''mailman aliases'' > or reverse? > 3. finding traces [7] of a file called postfix.cfg > i can't find it (anymore) in the official installation instructions. > Is that file (still?) necessary regarding: > 3.1 parameter for default lookup table type > 3.2 pointing to command ''postmap'' > 4. to what user should the command ''postmap'' be available [8]? > > > Any pointer to manuals or examples i may have missed or ideas > on any of those 4 questions would be greatly appreciated. > There is just one definitive manual: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html If this is NOT what you followed, then my suggestion is you start over afresh and follow the steps without skipping anything. You can test Mailman3+Postfix with a phony domain name. As long as the domain name is local, deliveries to the list should happen. Try and apply the KISS principle. For instance, you could submit a post to Mailman by: echo "This is a test post" | mail -s " Testing ML Delivery" listname@phony-domain-name If submitted from an address you have subscribed to the list, you should see it in the archives of that list. Otherwise, you can see it in Postorius under held messages. The transaction details will be in mailman.log as well as your Postfix logfile. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

11 months

Out there plugin idea for tech cost sponsorship

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Steven Clift EDem writes: > Figuring out how to raise money to cover server costs without selling out > our members with targeted social media advertising, was a continuous > challenge. I understand why you object to the kinds of advertising you might see via Google, Amazon, or Facebook, but targeted advertising is the way to go if you want to minimize annoyance and still get revenue. You just want to target something different (don't ask me for specifics, you know your business, but basically you want advertisements your customers / clients / members find informative and useful rather than targeting revenue from advertising). > So here is the question - do you think a Mailman > add-on/plugin/module/whatever you'd call it that allowed list admins to > reward their new subscribers to email lists with custom themed "for good" > discounts would be of interest to many??? Mailman 3 allows you to provide custom templates for both Postorius (how new subscribers sign up by web) and for various emails. It would be easy to provide custom templates for each list for your purpose, for example if all users get the same "coupon code", or get a random code. There isn't really an opportunity for a "plug in" here, though, because presumably you really want carefully designed templates for *your* business (or NPO), and probably with some attention paid to the group your business is affiliated with. Once you have the template, and maybe a little custom code, you're done, nothing left for the "plug in" to do. If you're thinking of something more dynamic, eg, checking profiles of existing Mailman users who sign up for new subscriptions, again, I don't see an opportunity for plugins, because Mailman's current profiles are not going to support personalized rewards. So you'll need to design your own database for that, and unless there's a standard database for that (ie, with the kinds of market share that PostgreSQL and MySQL have with Mailman systems), that's all going to be custom code that nobody else uses. > Normally, we (GoodCarts) reward people post-checkout with discounts in > reciprocity powered circles of online stores. As I understand that, you (GoodCarts) are providing the user database services at least to the extent of ordering and billing records. So you'll be eating your own dogfood here, but probably similar services do their own thing, so your code would be unlikely to be of use to them, right? > The way I could see working with email list providers is basically adding > an affiliate marketing style commission where purchases with > post-subscription rewards would go to the partner based on results. I think Mailman provides a good platform for that kind of thing, but it's going to require a ton of additional APIs to do well. > Our view is that exclusive discounts as rewards post transaction (purchase, > email list subscription, volunteer sign-up, event registration, online > petition signature, etc.) is far better than plastering ads > everywhere. If there's a dominant database application for keeping track of these things, a plug-in architecture might work. But if not, every such business is going to need to make its own extensive customizations, and it's really going to be more of a direct-mail application than a mailing list manager, which is fundamentally for mass mailings, maybe with a bit of personalization of mailings. Stock Mailman only does direct mail for the email verification dance and subscription welcome messages. You could easily use the latter for this one event of subscription. But Mailman doesn't know anything about "volunteer signups" or "event registration", etc, and teaching it to do that part is likely to be painful and make maintenance of the software difficult. My recommendation would be to use a separate application to manage the rewards system, and add only a couple of additional rules or handlers to trigger rewards (by messaging the rewards manager) on specific events that Mailman tracks anyway. Steve

3 years, 2 months

Website 404 error

by Stephen J. Turnbull

peter(a)pi4cc.nl writes: > I'm running Debian 12 with the latest version and installed > mailman3 via apt install-mailman3-full. Assuming you have done no configuration "by hand", this is almost certainly a Debian issue. You should report it to them. > When I first access the website domain.nl/mailman3, it's redirected > to domain.nl/mailman/postorius/lists/, resulting in a 404 error The initial redirect is done by your webserver, not by Mailman. I have no good idea why the result changes if you do it twice.[1] In Apache, this is likely in a file in /etc/apache2/sites-available/. In nginx, similarly /etc/nginx/sites-available/. The file's name is likely to be either something like "debian-default.conf" or "mailman3.conf" for either of those popular webservers. Footnotes: [1] The only thing I can think of is that in one case you accessed domain.nl/mailman3, and in the other domain.nl/mailman3/ (difference is the trailing "/"), and there are separate redirects for the two URLs for some reason. -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

7 months, 2 weeks

Re: Editing templates from settings

by Abhilash Raj

On Tue, Sep 3, 2019, at 9:18 PM, paul(a)arenson.org wrote: > Hello again. > > Gradually coming along thanks to the help of other members. > > One thing I want to do is edit my headers or footers to have key info > about my site. But it seems even if I skip spaces, when a message is > received the spaces disappear. Likewise, is there any way to add basic > formatting like BOLD? > > For example, if I make a footer like this... > > Skipping a space here > __/__/__/__/__/_/__/__/__/__/ > Our List > _/__/__/__/__/_/__/__/__/__/ > Skipping a space here > > > ...the centering disappears, as do the > skipped spaces, meaning the message after a header or before a footer > looks cluttered, > > Is there a fix? Not yet, there is an open issue about it[1]. [1]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/301 > > Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

6 years, 6 months

Re: Weird response to postings after subscriptions and accounts

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/17/19 6:39 PM, paul(a)arenson.org wrote: > > A) Thoughts before summarizing tests. > 1) I had originally thought of making archives only for subscribers to give them the benefit of posting from the archives directly and being able to find stuff more like a forum (email is always hard to follow). Anyone logged in to an account can post from Hyperkitty. Their post is treated the same as if they posted by email. > 2) But in retrospect it seems people can get an idea what the list is about from free access. So that is now what I have. OK > 3) On the other hand, it is a bit confusing that a non member can post from the archives without realizing that they need to register, with my settings I can moderate and decide if I want to add him or her to the list based on whether that is spam or not. So ok. A non-member is a non-member. A post from a non-member is handled according to "Default action to take when a non-member posts to the list" unless that non-member has a Moderation action other than List Default. > B) THE TESTS > I was testing too many variables so, to simplify things, I made my settings as follows > > 1) Subscription—> Confirm > > 2) Message Acceptance—> Default processing (so only members may post) > > 3) Testing Procesure > I added people three ways—> To do that I created 3 unique addresses to see if they can send and receive by email. > > > 3a) subscribe without creating an account—from here (bottom) https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/postorius/lists/discuss.list.tokyoprogres… > > 3b) Subscription / Unsubscription from same page, navigate to Login and again navigate to signup > Comment 1: Confusing because even after creating an account, they are not subscribed to the list. Maybe it makes sense if a person has many lists, but I only have this one. It does not say clearly that one has to subscribe after creating an account. I understand it's not totally explicit, but it says "To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list, please log in first. If you have not previously logged in, you may need to set up an account with the appropriate email address." To me the implication is once you have created an account, you have to come back, log in and subscribe. What do you want it to say? > Comment 2: The other thing is that it does not show my domain but that of mailman3.emwd.com <http://mailman3.emwd.com/>. Talk to Brian (emwd) > 3c) Mass Subscribe by me. Which is what I intend for my 600 users from another list company. > Comment This worked fine. > > > C) Summary > 1) I have been thinking of having an account as a good way to get users used to using the archives as a way to confirm current and past topics (as opposed to keeping track by email. But it seems I need to tell them to BOTH subscribe AND create an account. Am I thinking about it the wrong way? That's correct. They need an account and they need to subscribe that account to the list. > 2) When a person wants to unsubscribe, they go to discuss-request(a)list.tokyoprogressive.org <mailto:discuss-request@list.tokyoprogressive.org> with subject bline help. > > a) Isn’t there a better way to unsubscribe by email? email to discuss-leave(a)list.tokyoprogressive.org (or discuss-unsubscribe(a)list.tokyoprogressive.org) Or you can login, go to https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/postorius/lists/discuss.list.tokyoprogres… and click the big red unsubscribe button. > b) And how about a way to remove their account itself? Log in and click the dropdown at the upper right, select Account and click the Delete Account tab or go directly to https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/user-profile/ and click the Delete Account tab or go directly to https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/user-profile/delete -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 6 months

Re: Change Member's Address

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Dennis Putnam via Mailman-users writes: > I can't seem to confirm the superuser's email address. Find the address in both the account_emailaddresses table and the addresses table. I'm interested to see the full record for both (you can obscure the email and display_name for this purpose). This is in the interest of figuring out why you are inflooping in the confirmation process. Confirmation you can do with a single SQL update. Find the address in the account_emailaddresses table and update the verified attribute to t. I think that's enough to allow you to log in. If not you should do the same for that address in the addresses table. However, in the addresses table you need to fill the verified field with a timestamp. Not sure how that works in SQL, try copying the value of the registered field. I don't know why you're inflooping though. It's possible that you're verified in one table but not the other, confusing Postorius. -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

2 months, 1 week

Re: REST API authorization failed

by Mark Sapiro

On 1/8/22 10:40 AM, Axel Rau wrote: > Hi all, > > I’m going to do a mailman2->3 migration in a FreeBSD jail. > I installed mailman3 in an venv from pypi, along with nginx, uwsgi and exim. > The above error happens when I try to open the base url of my server with a browser > (is redirected to postorius/lists/) > (no errors on admin/ and hyperkitty urls) > > Same passwords and users in mailman.cfg: > > [webservice] > hostname: localhost > port: 8001 > use_https: no > admin_user: restadmin > admin_pass: ??? > > and in settings.py: > > MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = 'http://localhost:8001' > MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = 'restadmin' > MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = ??? > > Its a long password, created as secret key by manage.py Is the password unquoted in mailman.cfg as admin_pass: ??? and quoted in settings.py as MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = '???' Does the `mailman info` command report what you think for REST credentials? To you get an appropriate JSON response from wget -O- --user restadmin --password ??? http://localhost:8001/3.1/lists -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 2 months

mm3 floods syslog

by Wolfgang Bock

Dear friends, I got another problem: mailman floods my syslog. I deleted a domain/webdomain (further mentioned as deleted.org) in postorius, django web. No entries are now in /var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_domains or postfix_lmtp or /var/lib/mailman3/lists. Here an extract of my syslog (anonymized): Oct 31 10:49:02 myserver mailman3[1284]: Oct 31 10:49:02 2021 (1284) Certificate did not match expected hostname: localhost. Certificate: {'subject': ((('commonName', 'deleteted.org'),),), 'issuer': ((('countryName', 'US'),), (('or ganizationName', "Let's Encrypt"),), (('commonName', 'R3'),)), 'version': 3, 'serialNumber': '0326A733CA7B16D13C830EE707EA614E25F9', 'notBefore': 'Oct 30 20:21:08 2021 GMT', 'notAfter': 'Jan 28 20:21:07 2022 GMT', 'subjectAltName': (('DN S', 'deleteted.org'), ('DNS', 'lists.deleteted.org'), ('DNS', 'mail.deleteted.org'), ('DNS', 'ns.deleteted.org'), ('DNS', 'www.deleteted.org')), 'OCSP': ('http://r3.o.lencr.org',), 'caIssuers': ('http:/ /r3.i.lencr.org/',)} This appears nonstop. I now stopped the cronjob fort he moment: "[ -f /usr/bin/django-admin ] && flock -n /var/run/mailman3-web/cron.minutely /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py runjobs minutely" and others Does mailman or django store any information about domains in another place/file. If yes, how this can be deleted?? Thanks for your reply in advance. Regards Wolfgang

4 years, 4 months

Re: mailman3-web language preference and translation settings

by Mark Sapiro

On 12/6/23 15:54, Nils wrote: > Thanks for your help, Mark. I've already tried that and it gave me this > message: > > # sudo -u www-data python3 /usr/bin/django-admin compilemessages > --pythonpath /usr/share/mailman3-web --settings settings > CommandError: This script should be run from the Django Git checkout or > your project or app tree, or with the settings module specified. > > I'm working on ubuntu and I don't have (venv)$ The other commands (migrate, collectstatic and compress) worked fine. Kind regards I don't know why this fails like that, particularly since the same thing works for migrate, collectstatic and compress. The only thing I can think of is you may need to cd to the directory containing django/ django_mailman3/ postorius/ and /hyperkitty before doing the above. This may be something like /usr/lib/python3.x/site-packages. If that doesn't work, since I think you are using the Debian/Ubuntu package, I suggest you try Debian for help. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 3 months

Re: Can't subscribe on new site/domain

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/9/25 5:02 AM, Flo via Mailman-users wrote: > Hi, > > I added a new site in Django: lists.example.com > > Usually I click on 'view site' and I can add a Domain in Postorios. In > this case I get an error message and I need to add a Domain in Django. > Then I can go to 'view site'. > > I can create a mailing list there. However when I send an email to be > subscribed, I get the following in mailman.log (and nothing else happens): > > > Oct 09 13:46:24 2025 (110452) deque: do_confirm_verify > Traceback (most recent call last): ... > File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/model/domain.py", line > 177, in __getitem__ > raise KeyError(mail_host) > KeyError: 'lists.example.com' It appears you don't have a domain in Mailman core with mail_host = 'lists.example.com'. Do you see one in Postorius' domains view? If not, perhaps you need to add it. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 months, 2 weeks

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