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Re: What's the difference between (purpose of) reject and ignore

by Denis Bitouzé

Le 26/06/22 à 10h58, Stephen J. Turnbull a écrit : > denis.bitouze(a)univ-littoral.fr writes: > > > IMHO, even in English, “Reject” and “Discard” are not self-explanatory. > > I agree, but those are the traditional terms to distinguish "return to > sender without distributing" and "silently delete without > distributing" in the email community, and specifically in Mailman. > I don't have better one-word options ("Discard" is pretty close to > optimal, for one thing). If you ask, any experienced admin or > moderator can tell you what that means, and more important the > implications for third parties. I doubt you will forget the meaning > now that it has been explained. Indeed. > So I don't think changing the button labels is a good idea. OK. > Perhaps some additional help text should be added, although I'm not > sure if we have that capability already or if we would have to revise > templates and CSS or even add code. I understand. Anyway, another solution would be a small question mark being a link to: ┌──── │ .../postorius/lists/.../settings/message_acceptance └──── :) -- Denis

3 years, 5 months

Re: Cannot Install Web UI

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/20/25 10:32, Dennis Putnam via Mailman-users wrote: > I'm trying to install the web UI for mailman3. I am getting the > following failure. Can someone help? TIA. > > (venv) mailman :~$ pip install mailman-web mailman-hyperkitty ... > FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > '/tmp/pip-install-y364_cvm/cmarkgfm_9fcba25730114ac4a08d1e > 7733112a45/src/cmarkgfm/cmark.cffi.h' > [end of output] > > note: This error originates from a subprocess, and is likely not a > problem with pip. > error: subprocess-exited-with-error > > × Getting requirements to build wheel did not run successfully. > │ exit code: 1 > ╰─> See above for output. > > note: This error originates from a subprocess, and is likely not a > problem with pip. I think I've seen a similar error, but I don't recall what I did to work around it. In this case cmarkgfm is a dependency of readme_renderer which in turn is a dependency of postorius. In your venv try pip install cmarkgfm first and then pip install mailman-web mailman-hyperkitty That may avoid this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 months

Re: Implicit destination

by Mark Sapiro

On 08/26/2018 12:54 PM, David Krantz wrote: > > I have a spam-problem like anyone else. Most of the spam my listserver > receives has some kind of impilict destination so the implicit rule > catches most of the spam that way. This is fine. What is not so fine, > however, is that this results in a moderation message to the sender. > I'd like to stop that so that the spammer has no confirmation that the > mail was received. That is not the issue. Sending the held message notice to a spammer, if it reaches the spammer, is probably inconsequential. The issue is that virtually always in spam the sender address is either undeliverable or is the address of an innocent 3rd party. Sending these notices to innocent 3rd parties is called backscatter and is a bad thing. To avoid this backscatter, you can set the list's respond_to_post_requests attribute to False. There are two problems here. One is this setting is not currently exposed in Postorius, and the other is this will also stop desired held message notices such as those from list members. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

7 years, 3 months

Re: Advice

by Jerry Koutavas

Apologizes if there is a better list to post this request to - thank you From: jkoutavas(a)ascii.com [mailto:jkoutavas@ascii.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 8:33 PM To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Advice We are seeking a consultant to help migrate us from Mailman 2.1.9 to 3 > Mailing list (Core + Postorius) + web-forum (Hyperkitty). Any recommendations is appreciated - Jerry _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org<mailto:mailman-users@mailman3.org> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org<mailto:mailman-users-leave@mailman3.org> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ ________________________________ Total Control Panel Login<https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=ascii.com> To: jk(a)ascii.com<https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=10188568&domain=ascii.com> From: mailman-users-bounces+jk=ascii.com(a)mailman3.org<mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jk=ascii.com@mailman3.org> Message Score: 50 High (60): Pass My Spam Blocking Level: Medium Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Block<https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=3&bl-sender-address=1&hID=395558…> this sender / Block<https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=3&ent=1&bl-sender-address=1&hID=…> this sender enterprise-wide Block<https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=3&bl-sender-domain=1&hID=3955588…> mailman3.org / Block<https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=3&ent=1&bl-sender-domain=1&hID=3…> mailman3.org enterprise-wide This message was delivered because the content filter score did not exceed your filter level.

6 years, 1 month

Re: Remove ALL Members button - was: Re: Setting base_url for the domain to use it in the templates.

by Odhiambo Washington

On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 6:28 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 7/10/24 10:46 PM, Odhiambo Washington via Mailman-users wrote: > > > > I find the unsubscribe_all button quite scary! I have never used it > though, > > so I am not quite sure about its behavior. What scares me > > is the possibility of clicking it and then in one fell swoop you've > removed > > ALL the members without a "confirmation". > > See the thread at > > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… > and the issue at https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/545. > > Bottom line - there is a confirmation. Try it, perhaps on a test list if > you're really scared. > Will do that test :) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 year, 5 months

Re: Mailman installation results in KeyError: 'env_py'

by Abhilash Raj

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017, at 01:28 PM, Marvin Gülker wrote: > Hi, > > Am 22. October 2017 um 11:47 Uhr -0700 schrieb Abhilash Raj > <maxking(a)asynchronous.in>: > > As Simon mentioned, try using DEBUG=False, if you don't already have > > that. With DEBUG=True, you should see emails printed in a `emails` > > directory under `mailman-suite_project` directory. > > Bingo! Man, I was not seeing the forest for the trees. I should have > peeked inside that emails folder. And yes, changing the DEBUG flag > resolves the problem and emails now go out as they should. My bad! > Thank you! > > > > That being said, the enormous number of configuration files to consider > > > and dozens of cross-references to other pages in the docs make the > > > installation guide hard to follow; it also lacks logical structure in my > > > opinion, when it refers to parts of the configuration which are later > > > explained. For someone like me who never programmed a Django application > > > (Ruby dev) this is all pretty cryptic. Especially, that some parts of > > > information are on <http://docs.list.org/en/latest/index.html> whereas > > > other parts are scattered over readthedocs.io makes it very > > > complicated. > > > > There are only two primary configuration files (there are a few more for > > finer configurations ;-): > > Mh, mailman.cfg, settings.py, and hyperkitty.py are three. But I agree, > I exaggerated. > > > All the settings mentioned in the documentation go to either of these > > files, except, when configuring web server and mail server. Please open > > an issue[2] if it is not clear where a particular configuration snippet > > goes and we will fix it. > > I'll open an issue later; for now off the top of my head so I won't > forget I came over these problems with the docs: > > * The linked installation guide for Sass > (<http://sass-lang.com/install>) does not include any C/C++ > implementation you speak of. Fixed, http://sass-lang.com/libsass is the correct URL, not sure why is it not mentioned under `/install`. > * The mailman-suite's settings.py includes a handler for Less, which is > not mentioned in any documentation. I don't think we use `less` anymore, I will confirm this and remove it if needed. It hasn't caused a problem yet, so I am assuming it is never used. https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite/issues/7 > * It's officially suggested to use the "fhs" filesystem path > layout. It's not documented that you need to create the exact > directories and change permissions accordingly; even worse, if one > uses this layout, Mailman tries to write into /sbin, which only the > package manager is allowed to do. Thus, don't recommend that layout in > <http://docs.list.org/en/latest/config-core.html>. I have been thinking which layout is best and should be used. FHS makes most sense, but it is true that `pip` can't write to `/sbin` and hence it doesn't work if you aren't using a package manager. I have changed the docs to recommend `master` layout which uses the whichever directory the `mailman` command is stored in as `bin_dir`. > * This page: <http://docs.list.org/en/latest/config-core.html> does not > mention that the "postfix_lmtp" and "postfix_domains" files are > *generated* by Mailman. I spend quite some time looking for these > files before I found in the Mailman Core docs that they're generated > and it was not an error in my installation. Added a note about it in the docs under "Configuring MTA" section. > * This page: <http://docs.list.org/en/latest/config-core.html> configures > the LMTP server and the REST API server for the same TCP port > (8024). This clashes. Fixed, thanks! > * This page: <http://docs.list.org/en/latest/config-web.html> should > mention the thing with the DEBUG variable we've successfully worked > through in > this thread. Added a note about it. > * There's no mention of how to create the initial superuser on > <http://docs.list.org/en/latest/>, it is hidden down in > <https://postorius.readthedocs.io/en/latest/setup.html>, where however > there's no mention of the mailman-suite, but some kind of > "example_project". It was unclear to me whether this now applied to me > or not. Added a section about it under http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html > * <http://docs.list.org/en/latest> contains quite some pip install > commands (duplicated from the postorius/hyperkitty/core docs), but > it's missing "$ pip3 install mailman-hyperkitty", which is only > mentioned in <http://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/install.html> > in the text body (but not as a command block). Added to the installation guide. > * This page: > <http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.html> > uses "configuration: python:mailman.config.postfix" in the > introductory text without explanation, but down in the > Postfix-specific block the directive is missing with no explanation. I > opted to include it, but I don't know whether that's now correct or > not. You only need to specify settings that you want to override from default. "configuration" for Postfix used to be completely blank until recently, when we added support for regex maps along with hash maps in Postfix. The default is set to hash maps and you don't need to specify the configuration if you using it, if you need to use regex maps, you create a new configuration file and point to it under "configuration". I will see how to make that more clear in there. > The overall problem I had with the docs is that they can't be followed > top-down. One has to refer to the subproject docs if something is > unclear, then searching in them until one finds what one was looking for > (even if one doesn't know what one is looking for, as with the superuser > creation command). I totally appreciate the detailed subproject-docs > approach, but you should follow it consequently then. That is, do not > duplicate some information from the subproject docs in the mailman-suite > docs. It creates the impression as if the mailman-suite docs are > complete, which they aren't. Instead, the mailman-suite docs should use > explicit references, for example: > > 1. Do this... > 2. Now follow the procedure outlined in [Postorius Installation link] > 3. Do something else... > 4. Follow the procudedure in [Hyperkitty installation link] > > That way, the Mailman installation guide would be less of a puzzle. > It however might just be me. I apologise if I sound silly. It wasn't silly at all, in-fact you comments were very helpful to improve the documentation. We would like to not make assumptions about pre-requisite knowledge to use Mailman's documentation and it is hard for us developers to do that without feedback. Thanks a lot to you! -- Abhilash Raj maxking(a)asynchronous.in

8 years, 2 months

Mailman issues after re-boot

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Paul Rubin writes: > 'list_unsubscription_requests' not found. > ungettextImportError: cannot import name 'ungettext' from > 'django.utils.translation' > self._stream:Sep 12 10:06:31 mail mailman[31159]: AttributeError: > 'ReopenableFileHandler' object has no attribute '_stream'Sep 12 > Please tell me where to start looking or adjusting. At this point it's not a matter of "adjusting". There are too many errors in too many unrelated places: Mailman, Postorius, and Django. It appears your Mailman installation has been quite corrupted. My guess is in the process of recovering the host you applied OS upgrades to Python and/or reinstalled Mailman components, and the versions are now very much out of sync. Another possibility is that files were corrupted by the crash. As Odhiambo Washington suggests in a parallel post, your best bet is to preserve your configuration files, Postgresql databases, and queue files (if any), wipe your Mailman installation and reinstall from scratch. I'd back up the Postgres database, of course, but Mailman should just "reattach" to it, applying any migrations automatically. I forget whether you need to run "mailman-web migrate" for Django but I'm pretty sure it's idempotent (you did back up Postgres, right?) Steve

2 years, 3 months

Re: Held for notification - runner exception: 'ascii' codec can't encode character

by Seth Seeger

> On Jan 2, 2022, at 3:47 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > Thanks for sending me the shunted .pck. It turns out I didn't need it. Had I looked more closely at the Traceback, I would have realized that the issue is that the list's list:admin:action:post template contains non-ascii. In particular, the character in position 5 is ’ which is a unicode right_single_quote, not an ascii apostrophe. > > There may be other unicode fancy quotes ad well. > > You can fix the template to contain only ascii or you can set the character set for English to utf-8 by adding > ``` > [language.en] > charset: utf-8 > ``` > to mailman.cfg. The downside of the latter is that outgoing message bodies will always be base64 encoded which generally precludes grepping mailboxes to find things. Ah hah! Right you are. I removed the offending fancy apostrophe. What about that traceback pointed to the template? (Is it something I could have figured out?) Is it possible to filter out UTF-8 chars from the templates when they are saved in Postorius? Thanks again, Seth

3 years, 11 months

Re: MM3 Docker

by Odhiambo Washington

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019, 20:34 Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in wrote: > On Tue, Jan 8, 2019, at 5:52 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 03:29, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > > > On 1/7/19 1:18 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > > On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 at 23:39, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Please help me understand what steps are missing and I will try to > > > >> provide the information. > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay. > > > > > > > > At the installation stage, you say the following: > > > > "I already had some things set up in /opt/mailman including a git > > > > subdirectory containing clones of the GitLab mailman, mailmanclient, > > > > mailman-hyperkitty, hyperkitty, django-mailman3 and > > > > postorius projects. On the third server I have added mailman-suite > > > > because I use the settings.py from that project as the basis for > mine." > > > > > > > > Please assume that the reader is a newbie to python3 virtualenv and > give > > > the > > > > details of the commands they need to execute to (a) clone all the > > > projects > > > > needed > > > > and (b) create the virtualenv. > > > > > > > > The next steps are: > > > > mkdir /opt/mailman/mm > > > > > > > > Then you say "I then created a /opt/mailman/mm directory and within > that > > > a > > > > Python 3.6 virtualenv" > > > > What happens here is something that needs clarification, because you > are > > > > specific about "python3.6". > > > > I have googled and realized that one has to be specific about the > python > > > > version they want to use in their virtualenv > > > > as shown here -> > > > > > > > > https://stackoverflow.com/questions/45293436/how-to-specify-python-version-… > > > > > > > > exact command to execute to create the /opt/mailman/mm/venv > > > > exact command to execute to activate virtualenv > > > > > > > > > I have added a comment to the page which I hope gives you what you > want. > > > > > > I also added a section on templates instead of referring to a prior > > > version of the page. > > > > > > > That makes it better. > > However, as a newbie, something is not yet clear: > > > > "When active in a particular shell, it can be deactivated with the > command > > > > deactivate > > or by exiting that shell." > > > > HI am trying to understand the effect of detaching from a venv. I am > > assuming that a virtualenv is a container that is supposed to be always > > active for the services within to be accessible. Is that right? So, how > do > > I ensure it's always running/up, or that does not matter as the scripts > > which run the services will always refer to the files? > > virtualenv is not actually a container that is supposed to be active. It > is merely a set of settings that are applied to your SHELL when you are > in the virtual environment. > > It is not supposed to be always active, only when you actually want to > run commands in that virtual environment. The services will keep on > running after you deactivate your shell and would function like other > normal services on your machine. > > -- > thanks, > Abhilash Raj (maxking) > Thank you for clarifying. So once I have a venv created, the services will just run as long as the startup scripts are running even when I'm logged out of the system? >

6 years, 11 months

Today no question, but my toolbox: set "global" user preferences; list or delete held messages

by Wikinaut

After some (sorry for bothering you) questions here, I was able to set up a mailman3 system which I regard as perfect for my use. Perhaps, you had similar problems with your installation, especially when coming from mailman2 and, like me, from majordomo...... I collected a lot of information which was presented in this mailling list archive here and also answers of my questions (thanks Mark and others) News: https://github.com/Wikinaut/mailman3-tools has all of these tools. README says: Scripts for maintenance or setting-up of modern mailman3 instances set preferences for all users list held messages delete held messages older n days My setting is strictly as described in the documentation: mailman3 + postorius/hyperkitty are installed via pip in an (venv) /opt/mailman/ My user scripts and a huge mailing list generator (not published here) are in a directory apart from that: user maillistgen home directory /home/maillistgen user maillistgen has some sudo rights set uo in /etc/sudoers a wrapper script is /home/maillistgen/run_mailman.sh which sets the correct path for Python, mailman3 and the (venv). I hope, you like my tiny part of contribution and attribution back to Mark.

3 months, 3 weeks

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