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Re: Fwd: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /mailman3/hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/2/21 12:33 PM, David Partain via Mailman-users wrote: > On Tue, 2021-03-02 at 20:07 +0000, David Partain via Mailman-users > wrote: >> On Tue, 2021-03-02 at 19:56 +0000, David Partain via Mailman-users >> wrote: >> >> I assume this is because /usr/share/mailman3-web/manage.py, which >> has: >> >> '#!/usr/bin/env python' >> >> resolves to Python 2.7.17. >> >> Should I could try changing that to '#!/usr/bin/env python3' and see >> what happens? :) I could also uninstall python2 but that becomes >> more of a nail-biter... NO! Do not do that. >> I can report that the above doesn't help. Neither does just making >> /usr/bin/python link to /usr/bin/python3.6 >> >> I still get errors in mailman-web.log pointing to 2.7 as shown in my >> previous mail. > > If I force the issue by linking /usr/bin/python to /usr/bin/python3.6, > I start seeing: > > ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'hyperkitty > > in mailman-web.log. > > I know next to nothing about python. Is > > pip install hyperkitty > > the right answer? No. > I have the following installed now: > > # dpkg -l | grep hyperkitty > python-django-hyperkitty 1.1.4-4 > python3-mailman-hyperkitty 1.1.0-4 > > but this version of Ubuntu has no python3-django-hyperkitty or I'd just > try installing that... This is all because you are using the Ubuntu 18.04 package which is about 4 years out of date and is from the era where HyperKitty, Postorius and django_mailman3 still ran under Python 2.1.7. Unless you want to remove the Ubuntu package and install everything with pip, you need to just stick with what you have that at least partly works and we'll try to determine how to fix the utf8mb4 issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 5 months

Re: problems installing mailman3 under gentoo and upgrading mailman2 to mailman3

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/12/21 7:36 PM, John Covici wrote: > Hi. I am having a great deal of difficulty installing mailman3 using > gentoo and sendmail. Also, I want to upgrade my old mailman2 data to > mailman3. > > What I have done so far is to install the mailman3 packages from my > repository and got this: > django-mailman3 version 1.3.4, mailmanclient version 3.3.1, mailman > version 3.3.2 (apparently the core), postorius version 1.3.3 and > hyperkitty version 1.3.3. I also have mariadb and postgresql already installed. Are these gentoo packages? If so, I have no idea how they are configured. > Now trying to read your documentation, it seems it wants me to > reinstall some packages using pip in the home directory of the mailman > user in a python virtual environment, that was the first thing. But I > would like to avoid multiple package managers wherever possible -- > gentoo is already a lot of maintainance without dealing with pip's > maintainance. The binaries also seem to be different from my gentoo packages. Our documantation generally covers installing from source. If you are installing gentoo packages, you should be looking at gentoo docs and going to gentoo for help. We recommend installing Mailman and the web components in a virtualenv, but it is not a requirement. We also suggest that postgresql is a better choice than MariaDB. > So, how do I proceed with getting mailman3 up and working, configuring > the database, configs, etc and I guess after doing that upgrading > mailman2 and getting sendmail to interface properly with mailman3? Importing lists from Mailman 2 is done with the `mailman import21` command. See <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/d…>. Importing archives is done with the Django management `hyperkitty_import` command. See <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/install.html#import…> For sendmail, see <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h…> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

Re: Please help: Mailaman3 -

by Jane Anara

Hello Abhilash, Thank you for your reply. I did use the mailman-suit url.py before and got similar errors. At your suggestion, I again included the following in the import session: from django.urls import reverse_lazy from django.views.generic import RedirectView and the following line in the urlpatterns: url(r'^$', RedirectView.as_view(url=reverse_lazy ('list_index'), permanent=True)), The 'list_index' undefined error does not come up, however the HTTP Error 404 I posted in my last message still shows up. I abstracted the following from the error log as a potential cause: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 113, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 779, in list_index paginator_class=MailmanPaginator) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django_mailman3/lib/paginator.py", line 71, in paginate objects = paginator.page(page_num) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django_mailman3/lib/paginator.py", line 46, in page number = self.validate_number(number) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/paginator.py", line 48, in validate_number if number > self.num_pages: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/utils/functional.py", line 48, in __get__ res = instance.__dict__[self.name] = self.func(instance) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/paginator.py", line 97, in num_pages if self.count == 0 and not self.allow_empty_first_page: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/utils/functional.py", line 48, in __get__ res = instance.__dict__[self.name] = self.func(instance) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django_mailman3/lib/paginator.py", line 56, in count return self.function(count=0, page=1).total_size File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 775, in _get_list_page advertised=advertised, mail_host=mail_host, count=count, page=page) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/client.py", line 181, in get_list_page return Page(self._connection, url, MailingList, count, page) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/page.py", line 37, in __init__ self._create_page() File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/page.py", line 62, in _create_page response, content = self._connection.call(self._build_url()) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.6/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 112, in call error_msg, response, None) urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 404: I would appreciate any insight. Thank you. Regards, Jane

5 years, 11 months

Re: Changing web access

by Ralf Wiegand

GNU Mailman 3.3.1 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.6.8 (default, Sep 26 2019, 11:57:09) [GCC 4.8.5 20150623 (Red Hat 4.8.5-39)] config file: /opt/mailman/mailman/var/etc/mailman.cfg db url: sqlite:////opt/mailman/mailman/var/data/mailman.db devmode: DISABLED REST root url: https://empire:8001/3.1/ REST credentials: r****n:r*****s My REST API is running on "empire" (192.168.0.27), but isn't this messages referencing >>> snip python manage.py runserver 0.0.0.0:8000 Performing system checks... System check identified no issues (0 silenced). April 22, 2020 - 19:05:09 Django version 2.2.12, using settings 'settings' Starting development server at http://0.0.0.0:8000/ Quit the server with CONTROL-C. ERROR Mailman REST API not available Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3-1.25.8-py3.6.egg/urllib3/connection.py", line 157, in _new_conn (self._dns_host, self.port), self.timeout, **extra_kw File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3-1.25.8-py3.6.egg/urllib3/util/connection.py", line 84, in create_connection raise err File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3-1.25.8-py3.6.egg/urllib3/util/connection.py", line 74, in create_connection sock.connect(sa) ConnectionRefusedError: [Errno 111] Connection refused During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3-1.25.8-py3.6.egg/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 672, in urlopen chunked=chunked, File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3-1.25.8-py3.6.egg/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 387, in _make_request conn.request(method, url, **httplib_request_kw) File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/http/client.py", line 1254, in request self._send_request(method, url, body, headers, encode_chunked) File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/http/client.py", line 1300, in _send_request self.endheaders(body, encode_chunked=encode_chunked) File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/http/client.py", line 1249, in endheaders self._send_output(message_body, encode_chunked=encode_chunked) File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/http/client.py", line 1036, in _send_output self.send(msg) File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/http/client.py", line 974, in send self.connect() File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3-1.25.8-py3.6.egg/urllib3/connection.py", line 184, in connect conn = self._new_conn() File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3-1.25.8-py3.6.egg/urllib3/connection.py", line 169, in _new_conn self, "Failed to establish a new connection: %s" % e urllib3.exceptions.NewConnectionError: <urllib3.connection.HTTPConnection object at 0x7f8dd8cdee80>: Failed to establish a new connection: [Errno 111] Connection refused During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.23.0-py3.6.egg/requests/adapters.py", line 449, in send timeout=timeout File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3-1.25.8-py3.6.egg/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 720, in urlopen method, url, error=e, _pool=self, _stacktrace=sys.exc_info()[2] File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3-1.25.8-py3.6.egg/urllib3/util/retry.py", line 436, in increment raise MaxRetryError(_pool, url, error or ResponseError(cause)) urllib3.exceptions.MaxRetryError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='localhost', port=8001): Max retries exceeded with url: /3.0/lists?advertised=true&count=0&page=1 (Caused by NewConnectionError('<urllib3.connection.HTTPConnection object at 0x7f8dd8cdee80>: Failed to establish a new connection: [Errno 111] Connection refused',)) During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mailmanclient/src/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 96, in call headers=headers) File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.23.0-py3.6.egg/requests/api.py", line 61, in request return session.request(method=method, url=url, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.23.0-py3.6.egg/requests/sessions.py", line 530, in request resp = self.send(prep, **send_kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.23.0-py3.6.egg/requests/sessions.py", line 643, in send r = adapter.send(request, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.23.0-py3.6.egg/requests/adapters.py", line 516, in send raise ConnectionError(e, request=request) requests.exceptions.ConnectionError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='localhost', port=8001): Max retries exceeded with url: /3.0/lists?advertised=true&count=0&page=1 (Caused by NewConnectionError('<urllib3.connection.HTTPConnection object at 0x7f8dd8cdee80>: Failed to establish a new connection: [Errno 111] Connection refused',)) During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 113, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/postorius/src/postorius/views/list.py", line 755, in list_index paginator_class=MailmanPaginator) File "/opt/mailman/django-mailman3/django_mailman3/lib/paginator.py", line 71, in paginate objects = paginator.page(page_num) File "/opt/mailman/django-mailman3/django_mailman3/lib/paginator.py", line 46, in page number = self.validate_number(number) File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/core/paginator.py", line 48, in validate_number if number > self.num_pages: File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/utils/functional.py", line 80, in __get__ res = instance.__dict__[self.name] = self.func(instance) File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/core/paginator.py", line 97, in num_pages if self.count == 0 and not self.allow_empty_first_page: File "/opt/mailman/venv-3.6/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/Django-2.2.12-py3.6.egg/django/utils/functional.py", line 80, in __get__ res = instance.__dict__[self.name] = self.func(instance) File "/opt/mailman/django-mailman3/django_mailman3/lib/paginator.py", line 56, in count return self.function(count=0, page=1).total_size File "/opt/mailman/postorius/src/postorius/views/list.py", line 751, in _get_list_page advertised=advertised, mail_host=mail_host, count=count, page=page) File "/opt/mailman/mailmanclient/src/mailmanclient/client.py", line 181, in get_list_page return Page(self._connection, url, MailingList, count, page) File "/opt/mailman/mailmanclient/src/mailmanclient/restbase/page.py", line 37, in __init__ self._create_page() File "/opt/mailman/mailmanclient/src/mailmanclient/restbase/page.py", line 62, in _create_page response, content = self._connection.call(self._build_url()) File "/opt/mailman/mailmanclient/src/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 120, in call 'Could not connect to Mailman API: ', repr(e)) mailmanclient.restbase.connection.MailmanConnectionError: ('Could not connect to Mailman API: ', 'ConnectionError(MaxRetryError("HTTPConnectionPool(host=\'localhost\', port=8001): Max retries exceeded with url: /3.0/lists?advertised=true&count=0&page=1 (Caused by NewConnectionError(\'<urllib3.connection.HTTPConnection object at 0x7f8dd8cdee80>: Failed to establish a new connection: [Errno 111] Connection refused\',))",),)') <<<< snip not sure I understand??? On 4/22/20 2:50 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 4/22/20 11:35 AM, Ralf Wiegand wrote: >> but I am getting : >> >> mailmanclient.restbase.connection.MailmanConnectionError: ('Could not >> connect to Mailman API: ', >> 'ConnectionError(MaxRetryError("HTTPConnectionPool(host=\'localhost\', >> port=8001): Max retries exceeded with url: >> /3.0/lists?advertised=true&count=0&page=1 (Caused by >> NewConnectionError(\'<urllib3.connection.HTTPConnection object at >> 0x7f88fe4cb4e0>: Failed to establish a new connection: [Errno 111] >> Connection refused\',))",),)') > > What do you have for ALLOWED_HOSTS in your settings file(s)? You may > want something like > > ALLOWED_HOSTS = ['*'] > > or > > ALLOWED_HOSTS = ['192.168.*'] >

6 years, 3 months

Re: Hyperkitty performance problem

by monochromec

Following the root cause analysis which Tobias started all those weeks ago we (the admin team behind the installation) are still struggling with the following phenomenon: messages on average take more than 24 hours to be processed, more precisely, the average lifetime of a pickled message object in `/var/lib/mailman3/queue/pipeline` clocks in at around 26 hours). Couple of stats of the installation: standard installation from Bookworm OS repos, Hyperkitty as archiver and Postorius as web frontend as explained above, running Python 3.11.2 from the standard systemd service as packaged with the Bookworm deb file. All backends (Core + Hyperkitty) are supported by Postgres version 15+248. The MTA is a standard Postfix installation, again from OS packages. The underlying VM has 7 cores with just under 24 GB of main memory. This production instance is handling less than 130 mailing list (MLs) with an average of less than 10 postings per day per ML. CPU core utilisation hovers around 50% with the lion share allocated to the four pipeline runners as part of the MM configuration. OS resource utilisation is well below bounds (approx. 8 GB of main memory allocated to running processes), plenty of available sockets space (I noticed some transient `Connection lost during _handle_client()` warnings in the logs so I checked that the SMTP runner can connect to Postfix for delivering the messages after processing by checked the socket allocation of the running processes). Cursory review of the corresponding Core classes (runner + pipeline implementation in addition to `posting_pipeline`) didn't reveal any further pointers. What I did notice though that increasing the logging levels of the components (namely `smtp`, `pipeline` and `lmtp` to `debug`) in `/etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg` didn't add any useful information to the logs as configured after restarting the Core. As outlined above, Hyperkitty doesn't seem to do a check based on ML and message ID before archiving a message in the database. But this only add a REST roundtrip and Postgres communication through Hyperkitty's underlying Django framework to the overall system load and the driving UWSGI instance is well within CPU cycle bounds. Any pointers are appreciated - more than happy to provide more info if required.

1 year, 7 months

Re: Converting discussion list to read-only list (settings)

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/14/19 5:40 PM, Paul Arenson wrote: > >> Assuming MUA means a mail application. And if that mail application has no reply list function then the setting doesn't work. MUA means Mail User Agent which is another name for mail application, YES. > Uh-oh: I AM LOST AGAIN. (will all caps give me a larger font?) > >> It is the presence of the >> List-Post: header in the message that allows the MUA to offer/process >> the "reply-list" function. > > Ok, I asked how to make it ANNOUNCE ONLY and you said to use "allow_list_posts is False" which is the same as "Include the list post header". Not exactly. You asked what settings were different between discussion style and announce only style. What I answered was that the only setting that differed as set by the style was what Postorius calls "Include the list post header". What I didn't say explicitly was that this is not sufficient to prevent posting to the list. > So does this mean that for a subset of users I cannot make it ANNOUNCE ONLY? And is it some other setting (send to moderator) that prevents it from being a DISCUSSION list? What exactly do you want? You found some info on configuring an announce only list and I referred you to a FAQ on that subject. Both of these do not directly address Mailman 3, but they do give useful information. I am going to stop guessing at what you want to accomplish, so tell me what you want to happen when someone sends a post to the list either from HyperKitty or by email. What should happen to the message? What if anything should be sent to the user? Should this behavior be the same for all users or just a subset. If a subset, how do you identify that subset and what should happen when others attempt to post? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 9 months

Re: What's the difference between (purpose of) reject and ignore

by denis.bitouze＠univ-littoral.fr

Hello, Andy Smith wrote: > On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 12:37:05PM -0000, denis.bitouze(a)univ-littoral.fr wrote: > >> AFAICS, it is not documented since, at Postorius → Settings → Message >> Acceptance → Default action to take when a (non-)member posts to the >> list, I only read: “Discard: this simply discards the message, with >> no notice sent to the post's author”. So no mention that this would >> set it to (silently) discard all future mails from them. > > Well that is because that isn't what that part does. As it says, > that part is the "Default action to take when a member/non-member > posts to the list". So that's where you set what you want to happen > when ANY non-member posts. This is what will happen any time any > non-member posts. > By contrast, when you set an action on a particular held message, it > is asking you want you want to do with posts from THAT INDIVIDUAL > ADDRESS for the future. > So hopefully you can see that these things are different. One is a > whole-list property that applies to posts from classes of posters > (members, non-members). The other is per-poster property as a > reaction to as held message from them. OK, I see, thanks. >> Just to be sure: for this feature, is it necessary to click on the >> subject and to choose in the drop-down list “Discard (no >> notification)”, or is it enough, on the .../held_messages page, to >> select the messages and click on “Discard”? > > Doing it from the held messages page will be a one-time thing; it is > only by clicking on the individual message that you can choose an > action for future messages from that address. OK. Too bad this cannot be done from the list of messages on the .../held_messages page: it would be very helpful when you are overwhelmed by spams...

4 years, 1 month

Re: moving lists to another server

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/20/23 00:58, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > What is the command to export the archive as a mbox from the DB? > I can't figure out which option it is by looking at 'mailman-web -h'. Normally you do this on the old server via the HyperKitty web UI which has download buttons which do things like https://example.com/archives/list/list@example.com/export/list@example.com.… or for a partial archive https://example.com/archives/list/list@example.com/export/list@example.com-… However, in your case I don't think you have the old installation working any more so the above won't help. > BTW, how will ' mailman addmembers' treat a file containing: > ``` > Firstname Lastname <email@address> > Onlyname <email2@address> > ``` Correctly. It will import email@address with display name = 'Firstname Lastname' and email2@address with display name = 'Onlyname'. > I have opted for the simple way to do this: > 1. Create the site in Django Admin and create/configure the list in > Postorius > 2. Add the members from the file dump, with delivery set to regular. > 3. Send the members an email informing them that they need to set their > delivery preferences. > > I am stuck on the issue of exporting the archives to mbox file as already > stated above. Perhaps you can export the mbox via the web UI on the old server or maybe temporarily create a second mailman-web on your server with the old mailman-web database and use that web UI. Otherwise, if you have a working mailman-web that can access this database, you could try something like ``` $ mailman-web shell >>> from hyperkitty.lib.compat import get_list_by_name >>> mlist = get_list_by_name('list_name_only', 'list_domain') >>> with open('output.mbox', 'wb') as fp: ... for email in mlist.emails.order_by("archived_date").all(): ... fp.write(email.as_bytes() + b'\n') ... >>> ``` -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 8 months

How to add new Domain?

by c.benner＠apd-it.eu

Hello, i'm really new to mailman3 and I've been using mm2.1 couple of years. It's really hardto understand documentation. But I'll do one in german language next time. I've got it installed ob Debian12 and it's working now. It takes a little more time to understand all settings and also the difference between postorius and django and what is when used for. But what I do not understand 'til now is how to add a new domain. My running config has one domain (e.g.) testdomain1.org and everything is working fine. The Domain has a virtualhost which listens on *:443 (with LE cert) Postfix works like a charm. The interface of the machine is bound to one IP Address public but for example here written as: 192.168.200.15 Id like to add a new Domain. My first step would be to add another IP Address to the interface: (e.g.) 192.168.200.16 Then I'll change the virtual host settings in apache conf from first domain which is actually listeing to *:443 to 192.168.200.15:443 And add a second site with 192.168.200.16:443 So the "physical" part is done Is that right 'til now? After that I'll go to the admin page xxxx/mailman3/admin which brings django admin page up. On that page I'll add "websites" and add testdomain2.net Last step is adding "mail domain" site: testdomain2.net mail domain: testdomain2.net After that I can add lists to that domain and mails to any list @testdomain2,net should be routed right? Maybe I'm to old (56yrs) but I've read a lot of documentation and everything was clear and understandable. It was never a question of linux or windows OS but on who'S writing the doc. I can't find any doc about the web part? What about Users having no acces to the shell but the Web-Frontend? Some pictures and a "How to" and "what if" would be great! But it's alos possible that I'm not finding it and it's somewhere out there. Thanks in advance.

1 year, 6 months

Re: One-click unsubscribe?

by Jered Floyd

Reviving this thread I started in February because delivery rates continue to decline, and I get this threat from Google any time I check their Dashboard: "One-click Unsubscribe: Needs work — Ensure one-click unsubscribe is correctly implemented for your subscription messages One-click unsubscribe allows recipients to easily unsubscribe instead of marking your messages as spam" Having recently implemented "Feedback-ID" (Google's proprietary-but-required Feedback Loop mechanism) at my MTA, all this has done is confirm that 0.05-0.10% of subscribers report messages as spam and would probably rather be unsubscribed but cannot be bothered to figure this out. Having the headers that make Google/Yahoo/Apple/etc ask "Would you like to unsubscribe from this?" when they hit the "Junk" button will most likely resolve the problem. I'm pretty sure, as below, that we need to implement RFC 8058 headers in order to maintain deliverability to GMail. The only tracker issue I can find related to this is https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1099 -- is that the best place to discuss implementation? --Jered ----- On Feb 5, 2025, at 3:36 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp wrote: [..] > If we're talking about a new feature, I think the most straightforward > approach is to use RFC 8058[1] "one click" URLs. I believe it is > already implemented by Gmail and Yahoo, I don't know about Outlook or > the open source MUAs. This would require a substantial (but > straightforward[2]) addition of code, and of course personalized > delivery (I don't know if anyone balks at that any more, though). [..] > Footnotes: > [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8058 > [2] That is, we'd need to add a new location in Postorius and code to > accept POST access to it, encrypt/decrypt functionality to handle an > opaque token (to prevent automated denial of service by folks without > access to the person's email) or a table of one-time tokens with > expiration (same purpose, and expiring so the database doesn't grow > infinitely). What we wouldn't need to do is to change any exsting > code.

8 months, 1 week

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