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Re: Help with mailman user and mailman Web users

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/15/22 05:57, Sherin wrote: > > I have installed mailman3 server and configured MailmanWeb ( > hyperkity + Postorious ) . The service and everything works fine, but I > am little bit confuses with the user management in mailman3, > > 1) I created an owner user for a mailing list using the mailmanclient > api tools, # from mailmanclient.client import Client > 2) I can't login to the Mailmanweb with this user There are Mailman users and Django users. These are distinct. Creating a Mailman user does not automatically create a Django user and vice versa. In order to log in to the web UI, one must be a Django user, so this user has to go to the web UI and Sign Up. > For further investigation shows the mailman have its own database and > the web frontend have its own database too. > So my question is how to configure the webfrontend ( hyperkit+ > postorious ) to use the accounts logins created from the mailmanclient > api from the mailman core database. You can't. Well, I suppose you could modify the HyperKitty sync_mailman job or create another Django job to create Django users for Mailman users who aren't currently Django users, but short of that, there's no config for it. > Or is there a way to use only one user management system ? No. Mailman core and the web UI are separate applications by design in order to enable Mailman core to operate with any appropriate web UI. We provide Postorius and HyperKitty as web UIs for management and archiving and they are based on Django which has its own user management. It was our hope that other, perhaps more light weight, web UIs would be developed and available, but aside from EMWD's proprietary Harmony/Empathy PHP applications, we are not aware of any. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 7 months

Re: Hyperkitty import from mailman2

by Sten Aus

Oh my god. :) That's it! There are no latest messages and front page shows only last month "activity". Thank you! I did not thought that I should check some older posts. :D So, import is working just fine, I guess! ;) But how did you manage to import all the lists and members from Mailman2 to Mailman3? As I understand Mailman3 does not "support" (by manual) import right now? On 24/12/2017 00:11, Marvin Gülker wrote: > Just a suggestion -- if your list didn't have any e-mails in the last > month, the front page will show it as inactive. Dig into the archive > links on the left side to actually see your e-mails. I've been bitten by > that behavior as well. The front page simply doesn't show e-mails older > than a month. > > Look here: https://lists.secretchronicles.org/hyperkitty/list/tsc-devel@lists.secretch… > > No emails on the front page. Now go here: > https://lists.secretchronicles.org/hyperkitty/list/tsc-devel@lists.secretch… > > Well there. > > Greetings > Marvin > > Am 23. December 2017 um 01:05 Uhr +0200 schrieb Sten Aus <sten.aus(a)eenet.ee>: >> Hi >> >> Thank you Mark and Simon for your input! >> >> I can see imported list from Hyperkitty GUI, but it's inactive. >> I can confirm that I can see those emails from command line (python shell >> shows Email Objects). >> >> Import shows everything is OK: >> >> # python2 manage.py hyperkitty_import --settings settings --ignore-mtime -v >> 3 --since 2010-01-01 -l test(a)list.domain.com /tmp/test.mbox >> Only emails after 2010-01-01 00:00:00+02:00 will be imported >> Importing from mbox file /tmp/test.mbox to test(a)list.domain.com >> /--some 22 emails being imported here --/ >> 22 emails read >> 22 email added to the database >> 22 emails are stored into the database >> Computing thread structure >> Synchronizing properties with Mailman >> Warming up cache >> The full-text search index will be updated every minute. Run the 'manage.py >> runjob update_index' command to update it now. >> >> # python2 manage.py update_index --settings settings >> Indexing 50 emails >> NB! Only 6 of them are archived from new list (which has been created from >> Apache). I have imported 2 times 22 emails from /tmp/test.mbox file (to >> different lists). >> >> >> I am using Apache2.4 with mod wsgi and Postorius and Hyperkitty are in the >> same django application. >> Also tested with running server directly and then connecting to a port 8000, >> but I guess it does not matter, because both of them are using Python >> script. >> >> I have not yet managed to set up cron tasks, as this is relatively new >> installation, but I have ran them manually. Also, I have done update_index >> (runjob update_index and manage.py update_index, both ways). >> >> >> SQLite database shows emails, for example there's a thread >> FMXQVFDRQVRMINVXI4DJB4SHYTJ3EPWP, but If I insert it to web URL I get Django >> error: No Thread matches the given query. >> >> >> As Postorius and Hyperkitty are in the same Django, they share sqlite >> database (mailman/web/database.db). Mailman has it's own database in >> mailman/var/data/mailman.db. >> >> >> Happy holidays >> Sten >> >> >> On 22/12/2017 21:09, Simon Hanna wrote: >>> On 12/22/2017 03:39 PM, Sten Aus wrote: >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> I have installed mailman3 - it looks very great! >>>> >>>> Now I wanted to try import from mailman2 mbox, so i did: >>>> >>>> python2 manage.py hyperkitty_import --settings settings >>>> --ignore-mtime -v 3 --since 2010-01-01 -l test(a)list.domain.com >>>> /tmp/test.mbox >>>> >>>> It shows that it have sucessfully imported all emails and I can see >>>> them from database (sqlite3), but I cannot see them from GUI >>>> (hyperkitty). Only thing I can see is this inactive "test" list. >>>> >>> How did you try to access them using Hyperkitty? Can you try doing that >>> while logged in as a django superuser? Could you try using a permalink >>> for a message? If you can access the files from the database you should >>> be able to construct the urls using the list name and the >>> message_id_hash of a message. You should try this using DEBUG=True in >>> the settings.py. The URL would be similar to http://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message/… >>> >>> >>> Another option would be to check if you can access the data using a >>> python shell. >>> >>> `python manage.py shell` to open a python shell preconfigured for >>> Hyperkitty and then input the following two lines: >>> >>> from hyperkitty.models.email import Email >>> Email.objects.all() >>> >>> >>> This should print out all the messages that are stored in the database. >>> (You can limit them by appending "[10:]", or any other python slice) >>> >>> What do you see in the UI? Is it somewhat similar to >>> http://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org ? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mailman-users mailing list >>> mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >>> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-users mailing list >> mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

8 years, 9 months

Re: Can't add emails to accept_these_nonmembers

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/27/26 07:17, Ibiam Chihurumnaya via Mailman-users wrote: > > Currently running Mailman 3.3.10 and I followed the instructions from https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html# to install. OK. > I get something else when I do it differently - how I've been doing it so far -. > > mailman shell > Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell > Use commit() to commit changes. > Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. > Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. > >>>> from mailmanclient import Client >>>> from mailmanclient import Client >>>> client = Client('http://localhost:8001/3.1', '**', '**') >>>> sg = client.domains[0] >>>> sy = sg.get_lists()[-1] >>>> sy > <List 'systems-logs(a)lists.sugarlabs.org'> >>>> sy.settings > {'acceptable_aliases': [], ... OK. You are using Mailman Client which is a bunch of Python bindings for Mailman core's REST API and which is intended for use by HyperKitty, Postorius and Django-Mailman3 to communicate with Mailman core via its REST API. If you are using `mailman shell` you already have direct access to all of Mailman core. Using Mailman Client is just adding overhead to things you could do directly. If you really want to use Mailman Client, rather than invoking `mailman shell` and all it brings that you don't use, you could just invoke your venv's python, e.g., $ /opt/mailman/venv/bin/python or if your venv is active, just (venv) $ python and then import Client and continue as above. > Yes, but like I've mentioned in another thread, I don't have access to the web UI because > I can't get a confirmation link. You can always confirm your address manually UPDATE account_emailaddress SET verified = 't' where email = 'your_address'; -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 months, 4 weeks

Re: Mailman3 without Hyperkitty in docker

by Danil Smirnov

Thank you very much Abhilash! Could you set up 'latest' tag in postotius repo <https://hub.docker.com/r/maxking/postorius/tags> please - as it exists for core/web? I'd like to have consistent approach across the images... Also it would be really great to extend image labelling used for *quay.io/maxking/mailman-*:rolling <http://quay.io/maxking/mailman-*:rolling>* images to Docker Hub ones... Version identification is quite hard for Docker... With my best regards, Danil сб, 2 мар. 2019 г. в 03:19, Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in>: > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019, at 10:18 PM, Danil Smirnov wrote: > > Hi Abhilash, > > Thank you very much - the previous error is fixed now. > > But I have another one now, which causes the same 500 Server Error: > > bash-4.3# cat /opt/mailman-web-data/logs/uwsgi-error.log > *** Starting uWSGI 2.0.18 (64bit) on [Fri Mar 1 05:42:09 2019] *** > compiled with version: 6.3.0 on 01 March 2019 01:52:42 > os: Linux-3.10.0-693.11.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Dec 4 23:52:40 UTC 2017 > nodename: mailman-web > machine: x86_64 > clock source: unix > detected number of CPU cores: 2 > current working directory: /opt/mailman-web > detected binary path: /usr/local/bin/uwsgi > !!! no internal routing support, rebuild with pcre support !!! > setgid() to 101 > setuid() to 100 > chdir() to /opt/mailman-web > your memory page size is 4096 bytes > detected max file descriptor number: 1048576 > building mime-types dictionary from file /etc/mime.types...1168 entry found > lock engine: pthread robust mutexes > thunder lock: disabled (you can enable it with --thunder-lock) > uwsgi socket 0 bound to TCP address 0.0.0.0:8080 fd 8 > uwsgi socket 1 bound to TCP address 0.0.0.0:8000 fd 9 > Python version: 3.6.8 (default, Jan 30 2019, 23:58:16) [GCC 6.3.0] > Python main interpreter initialized at 0x55a2df7f57e0 > python threads support enabled > your server socket listen backlog is limited to 100 connections > your mercy for graceful operations on workers is 60 seconds > mapped 166752 bytes (162 KB) for 2 cores > *** Operational MODE: threaded *** > Traceback (most recent call last): > File > "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/utils/module_loading.py", > line 20, in import_string > return getattr(module, class_name) > AttributeError: module 'django.contrib.auth.middleware' has no attribute > 'SessionAuthenticationMiddleware' > > The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "wsgi.py", line 38, in <module> > application = get_wsgi_application() > File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/wsgi.py", line > 13, in get_wsgi_application > return WSGIHandler() > File > "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/wsgi.py", line > 136, in __init__ > self.load_middleware() > File > "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line > 34, in load_middleware > middleware = import_string(middleware_path) > File > "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/django/utils/module_loading.py", > line 24, in import_string > ) from err > ImportError: Module "django.contrib.auth.middleware" does not define a > "SessionAuthenticationMiddleware" attribute/class > unable to load app 0 (mountpoint='') (callable not found or import error) > *** no app loaded. going in full dynamic mode *** > *** uWSGI is running in multiple interpreter mode *** > spawned uWSGI master process (pid: 1) > spawned uWSGI worker 1 (pid: 37, cores: 2) > --- no python application found, check your startup logs for errors --- > --- no python application found, check your startup logs for errors --- > --- no python application found, check your startup logs for errors --- > --- no python application found, check your startup logs for errors --- > --- no python application found, check your startup logs for errors --- > --- no python application found, check your startup logs for errors --- > --- no python application found, check your startup logs for errors --- > --- no python application found, check your startup logs for errors --- > --- no python application found, check your startup logs for errors --- > --- no python application found, check your startup logs for errors --- > --- no python application found, check your startup logs for errors --- > --- no python application found, check your startup logs for errors --- > > As per my investigation, this error possibly caused by Django upgrade: > > *The SessionAuthenticationMiddleware class is removed. It provided no > functionality since session authentication is unconditionally enabled in > Django 1.10.* > > See https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/2.0/releases/2.0/ > > After I've removed the line > > https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/blob/master/postorius/mailman-web… > from settings.py, the container is finally working. > > I've placed PR in github: > https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/pull/314 > > > Thank you for your contributions! > > I have merged your pull request and it should now be out (hopefully!). > > > Thank you for your help. > > Danil > > > пт, 1 мар. 2019 г. в 04:33, Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in>: > > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019, at 5:19 PM, Abhilash Raj wrote: > > On February 27, 2019 11:53:34 PM PST, Danil Smirnov <danil(a)smirnov.la> > wrote: > > >Hi Mark, > > > > > >Actually all this stuff happens inside the container after it's started > > >and > > >initialized without errors. I didn't amend the image anyhow. > > > > > >Also I have the configuration based on docker-compose.yaml provided in > > >the > > >repository which works just fine for mailman-web image. > > > > > >The very same config with postorius image (+ UWSGI_STATIC_MAP param) > > >fails > > >with 500 error... > > > > > >Now answering your questions: > > > > > >ср, 27 февр. 2019 г., 22:56 Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > > > > > >> do you have django-q in INSTALLED_APPS in your Django settings and > > >what > > >> is set for Q_CLUSTER? > > >> > > > > > >I've checked settings.py inside the container and I haven't found any > > >of > > >the mentioned configurations there. > > > > > >Does the manage.py that's being run here point to the right > > >settings.py? > > >> > > > > > >No clue. > > > > > >Also I wonder why we have some Hyperkitty-related cronjobs in non-HK > > >configured image? > > > > > > > https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman/blob/master/postorius/mailman-web… > > > > Because I am a dum dum ;-) > > > > Will work on removing those crons and stuff. Would be nice if you > > opened an issue on Github so that I don't forget. > > Should now be fixed in the latest image. > > > > > >Danil > > > > > > > > > > > >> -- > > >> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > > >> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. > > >Dylan > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > > >> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > > >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > >> > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > > >To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > > >https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > > > > > > -- > > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > -- > thanks, > Abhilash Raj (maxking) > > > -- > thanks, > Abhilash Raj (maxking) > > >

7 years, 6 months

Re: No styling for web apps?

by Morris Jones

On 11/26/20 10:09 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/26/20 8:44 PM, Morris Jones wrote: >> I have most of a new mailman suite server built and working ... >> >> collectstatic gathered a good array of static files (uncompressed so far) >> >> nginx appears to be serving them successfully >> >> The Firefox developer tools show css and js files all being delivered >> >> But none of the postorius or hyperkitty pages exhibit any styling at >> all, only bare HTML elements. >> >> The Firefox inspector will show the available styles being requested and >> delivered (style.css, bootstrap, jquery, all the things). >> >> But if I use the inspector to look at the page, nothing has any CSS >> properties. >> >> I know I'm missing something simple. > > Try running collectstatic and, if you use it, compress again. These have > to be run following various kinds of changes. > Appreciated, but to no avail: (venv) mailman@mail:~/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project$ python manage.py collectstatic You have requested to collect static files at the destination location as specified in your settings: /opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/static This will overwrite existing files! Are you sure you want to do this? Type 'yes' to continue, or 'no' to cancel: yes 0 static files copied to '/opt/mailman/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project/static', 399 unmodified. (venv) mailman@mail:~/mailman-suite/mailman-suite_project$ python manage.py compress CommandError: Compressor is disabled. Set the COMPRESS_ENABLED setting or use --force to override. And then https://mailman.whiteoaks.com I'll spend time in the Firefox developer tools to see if I can figure out what's missing. A DuckDuckGo search suggested it could be a character encoding issue. The style sheets all come up reporting "0 rules" in the developer tools. I haven't tried any other browsers either. Best regards, Mojo -- Morris Jones, Monrovia, CA BridgeMojo <http://bridgemojo.com> Old Town Sidewalk Astronomers <http://otastro.org> Mojo's Blog <http://mojo.whiteoaks.com>

5 years, 9 months

Re: Mailman installation results in KeyError: 'env_py'

by Abhilash Raj

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017, at 09:36 AM, Marvin Gülker wrote: > Am 22. October 2017 um 07:49 Uhr -0700 schrieb Mark Sapiro > <mark(a)msapiro.net>: > > or you can install the fix at > > Thanks. Applying this patch makes it work. Now I've got a different > problem, though. I can't get it to connect to Postfix for sending > emails it appears. After I created a superuser account using > > $ python manage.py createsuperuser > > as described on <http://postorius.readthedocs.io/en/latest/setup.html>, > I tried to login using this credentials into Postorius. It then reported > it sent a confirmation email to me (for an account I created on > commandline?!), but Postfix' logs reveal that it didn't; there's not > even a sign of an attempted delivery in /var/log/mail.log. I've > configured the Postfix configuration in mailman.cfg like this: > > [mta] > incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP > outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver > lmtp_host: 127.0.0.1 > lmtp_port: 8024 > smtp_host: localhost > smtp_port: 25 > configuration: python:mailman.config.postfix > > as was outlined on > <http://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.html>. > > mailman-suite's settings.py contains: > > # Change this when you have a real email backend > EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' > EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost' > EMAIL_PORT = 25 > > which was described on <http://docs.list.org/en/latest/config-web.html>. > > For completeness, the following is in Postfix' main.cf, but is not the > cause of the problem as it affects the incoming direction, whereas I > refer to the outgoing one: > > transport_maps = hash:/home/mailman/var/data/postfix_lmtp > local_recipient_maps = hash:/home/mailman/var/data/postfix_lmtp > > I failed to locate any kind of logging information about the failed > email, so I don't even know where I should start looking for the > problem. var/logs/smtp.log is empty in the mailman directory, and > likewise is logs/mailmansuite.log in the mailman-suite_project > directory. As Simon mentioned, try using DEBUG=False, if you don't already have that. With DEBUG=True, you should see emails printed in a `emails` directory under `mailman-suite_project` directory. This is a confirmation email to verify the email addresses, which happens even if you create an account from command line. > That being said, the enormous number of configuration files to consider > and dozens of cross-references to other pages in the docs make the > installation guide hard to follow; it also lacks logical structure in my > opinion, when it refers to parts of the configuration which are later > explained. For someone like me who never programmed a Django application > (Ruby dev) this is all pretty cryptic. Especially, that some parts of > information are on <http://docs.list.org/en/latest/index.html> whereas > other parts are scattered over readthedocs.io makes it very > complicated. There are only two primary configuration files (there are a few more for finer configurations ;-): - mailman.cfg: This is the configuration for the Core engine and can be located any of the places mentioned in [1] or pointed to by environment var MAILMAN_CONFIG_FILE. - settings.py: This is the configuration file for Django under `mailman-suite_project` and controls the frontend (Postorius & Hyperkitty). Django is a huge framework with literally 1000s of options. It would be impossible to copy that information from Django's documentation and keep it updated in our docs. Hence, we have links to appropriate places when needed. Same goes out for the rest of the libraries that we use. All the settings mentioned in the documentation go to either of these files, except, when configuring web server and mail server. Please open an issue[2] if it is not clear where a particular configuration snippet goes and we will fix it. [1]: http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-core.html [2]: https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-suite-doc/issues Hope that helps! -- Abhilash Raj maxking(a)asynchronous.in

8 years, 11 months

Re: Installing Mailman3 on Debian Bullseye

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Franklin Weng writes: > Thanks for your comments! Thank you for following up on my queries. > > As far as I know, Debian packages use the system Python and the > > system Django. Is that correct? > > Correct. This means that you're stuck with the Debian version of the Mailman 3 suite until they update which can be slow. Mailman 3 is now mature enough that if you're still happy with the Debian version a month after installing, you'll probably still be happy with it when Debian updates. It's a good tradeoff for the majority. But for example mixing a "testing" Mailman with a "stable" Python is likely to end badly because we frequently upgrade required levels of dependencies. So you either have to get a Debian upgrade of Mailman of your current Debian version, or you need to move to a whole not-stable Debian system. Not a pleasant choice if you think you need new features or a bugfix *now*. This is why we recommend the venv or other isolated installations. They allow you to upgrade the dependencies as well as the core packages without interfering with the rest of your system. > IIRC I got some errors about handling characters encoding if I > don't set up charset in language.master and language.en > section. But the memory is vague and I don't want to go back > retesting that... I suspect that you set up charset in .master and realized that it doesn't work because .en overrides it with ASCII, and then fixed .en. That's what happened to me. > Honestly I was totally confused by all these, and as I have said, > the MM3/Django/Hyperkitty/... documents didn't help much. Upstream documents are rarely very helpful with whole sets of large packages from distros in my experience. You install the packages, you go through a bunch of configuration screens, and you finish knowing *nothing about how anything works*. Then you need a little tweak that the configuration screens don't deal with, and you don't even have the vocabulary to grep or Google effectively. :-( Then again, I'm the kind of person who prepares to sleep by reading software manuals. ;-) But I do think you lose quite a bit of knowledge by using packages, and it's painful to find obscure details without it. Django doesn't actually show its face much in Mailman, so Django docs are not much use even to the site admin, unless you actually hack on Mailman. The only exceptions are authentication and the template language. Authentication is just hard, with more details then the Lego set in the Lego store. The templating docs are pretty good, IMO. The Mailman docs are in somewhat sad state. The content is actually quite comprehensive and detailed as these things go, but much of it is hard to discover. The original idea was to keep the docs in the sources, as doctests for examples and in the docs directory for exposition. These docs are more developer-oriented, obviously. Then there were several attempts to create a suite package which would require core, Postorius, and HyperKitty and streamline the setup process. The "mailman-suite" version came with a companion "mailman-suite-docs" package, which I think is now the basis for mailman.readthedocs.io aka docs.mailman3.org. However mailman-suite turned out to more trouble than it was worth, and mailman-web was developed to address the more useful approach of unifying some mailman-to-Django APIs for Postorius and HyperKitty (the django_mailman3 package) and configuration (a unified settings.py, as well as standardized top-level urls.py and views.py). Of course each of these contributed more documentation, some of it redundant, older versions left to slowly become obsolete (ie, incorrect) .... "Someday" I'd like get the documents reorganized, eliminate as much redundancy as possible and make things more discoverable. But it's a mammoth task. Steve

3 years

Re: Custom Archiver

by Mark Sapiro

On 4/1/23 16:33, Peter Knowles wrote: > Mark, > > The whole reason I'm developing my own "frontend" for both "list management" and "archive" access is because Python isn't really the language I speak... I'm a PHP guy, and so I'm working to build with the language I know and love, while utilizing Mailman for what it does best... In addition to implementing the frontend the way I want it (expose/hide feature that are useful/unuseful to our users), I want to fully customize the visual appearance to represent the SaaS offering properly. This is exactly the reason why Mailman core was decoupled from archiving and the web UI. HyperKitty and Postorius were developed because we knew that almost no one would use Mailman core without archiving and a web management UI, but we always hoped that others might develop and contribute other web based archiving and management interfaces. Brian Carpenter of EMWD who tragically died of COVID did exactly that with his Affinity and Empathy PHP applications that interface with Mailman core via the REST API. EMWD hosts lists that use those interfaces, and had Brian not died, some version of those might be open sourced, but his initial thrust was to keep them proprietary for his business reasons. There is an early description of Brian's concept for Affinity at https://gitlab.com/mailman/affinity. > *** we're not try to hide that Mailman is in the equation, just how the overall interface is visually represented *** > > That all being said, on a slight segway... Aside from using the REST API, is it practical or possible to manipulate the database directly? That is, in doing so would it just work or are there extra moving parts when an API request is issued? It probably is possible, but I would definitely discourage it. The REST API should provide everything you need without your having to reimplement everything it does. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 5 months

Re: To what extent can mailman 3 handle images and html?

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/20/19 2:11 AM, Paul Arenson wrote: > Hi > > The other day I attempted to send a message from my mail client (Apple computer, Mail program, html--well, what they call Rich Text). While a user was able to send a message previously that contained an image, I was unsuccessful. It should be the same as Mailman 2.1. What are your settings for content filtering. In Postorius the only thing exposed are Settings -> Alter Messages -> Filter content, Collapse alternatives and Convert html to plaintext. If this Filter content Yes, content is filtered according to the other two settings and MIME parts may be removed according to the list settings filter_types, pass_types, filter_extensions and pass_extensions. These settings exist in core, but aren't exposed in Postorius. For a new MM3 list these settings are empty, but for a list imported from Mailman 2.1, they are set according to the corresponding MM 2.1 settings. I suspect in your case the issue is Filter content and Collapse alternatives are both Yes. Or perhaps the issue is HyperKitty's rendering of the message > As well, links were weird. > > LINKS > ===== > Because My wordpress often has a Japanese URL and they can become very long, I tried both the URL as is and embedded (made a clickable html link). > > URL > === > So while I typed > https://www.tokyoprogressive.org/journalist-ito-shiori-sues-alleged-rapis.... > > It came out double as > > https://www.tokyoprogressive.org/journalist-ito-shiori-sues-alleged-rapis... > <https://www.tokyoprogressive.org/journalist-ito-shiori-sues-alleged-rapis... > (The full link was truncated with ... at the end, and the link appeared twice with the second instance preceded by "">") I think the doubling is due to your MUA. The truncation of the displayed link in HyperKitty is expected, but the link itself should reference the full URL. > The embedded one did not come out embedded buy showed the text like this: > Alternate link: 多摩川河川敷に男性の遺体、増水した川に流されたか > <https://www.tokyoprogressive.org/%e5%a4%9a%e6%91%a9%e5%b7%9d%e6%b2%b3%e5%... What do these look like in the message received from thge list as opposed to HyperKitty? > QUESTION 1: Is there a preferred way to write links, or will there always be problems with the mail clients? > (Even the web archive shows this problem though): > > https://list.tokyoprogressive.org/hyperkitty/list/discuss@list.tokyoprogres… See what this looks like at <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…> > See the top item Homeless man drowns in river during Typhoon and what I mean. The first of those 3 links actually works. The other two don't work because the Japanese characters have been encoded as hex values by your MUA (which may be HyperKitty if you are posting via HyperKitty. To answer your question, you can just type the URL as you did above in your thread link, or you can surround it with angle brackets as I did in my message link. If you don't use angle brackets, it should be surrounded by whitespace to avoid ambiguity. See <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3986#appendix-C> > IMAGE > No image appears though one was added inline. > > And, as I said, a user was previously able to add one. I do not know how she did it. I also posted it to my web site instead of the newsletter for unrelated reasons. But there was an image (Originally got a warning the message was held because the attachment or something). > > So are there guidelines one whether/how to attach an image so that it makes it? Are you posting via email or HyperKitty? If by email, I suspect the issue is Filter content and Collapse alternatives are both Yes. If by HyperKitty you can only post plain text. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

6 years, 11 months

Re: Importing config and archives only partially succeeded?

by Eric Broens

I just notice in the webserver logfile, the same request for the same mlist, msgid and key several times per second for about 3 hours now: "GET /archives/api/mailman/urls?mlist=....&msgid=...&key=... HTTP/1.1" 200 105 "-" "python-requests/2.25.0" The request seems to originate from the server where the mailman suite is installed Best Regards,Eric On Sunday, December 13, 2020, 01:54:54 AM GMT+1, Eric Broens via Mailman-users <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: The settings - Archiving, are not different from the ones that do show the messages:"Private Archives" selected, and Active archivers "hyperkitty" also selected. I was trying to find out how the hyperkitty page gets the mails from the database, and if I can start from there.Or maybe something is not completely correct in the database tables. Best Regards,Eric On Sunday, December 13, 2020, 01:27:53 AM GMT+1, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: On 12/12/20 3:56 PM, Eric Broens via Mailman-users wrote: > After everything was imported, and I noticed that the mails were not shown in the archives for half of the mailinglists, I ran "manage.py update_index" to index the mails for all mailinglists.This command is still running for hours.Since it builds the search index, I don't expect that this would make the mails available on the webpage. I agree, that won't make the mails available on the webpage. If you're using the default Whoosh search engine, "hours" is not unexpected. Elasticsearch is much faster and Xapian faster still. What do you see in Postorius - Settings -> Archiving for the lists whose messages don't show? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ _______________________________________________ Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

5 years, 9 months

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