
Re: user mail not accepted
by Mark Sapiro
On 4/26/21 5:16 AM, Christian Stalberg via Mailman-users wrote:
> I have a user whose moderation rule is 'Accept immediately' yet when they
> send a message for distribution to the list, they only receive it and it is
> not distributed via the list. Logfile entries below. Please advise. Btw I
> have another list on this same instance which is running fine. Thank you.
>
> [26/Apr/2021:12:06:25 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ssan.lists.ccalternatives.org
> HTTP/1.1" 200 453 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2"
> [26/Apr/2021:12:06:25 +0000] "POST
> /3.1/members/find?list_id=ssan.lists.ccalternatives.org&subscriber=christian
> %40sewagesludgeactionnetwork.com HTTP/1.1" 200 1257 "-" "GNU Mailman REST
> client v3.3.2"
> [26/Apr/2021:12:06:25 +0000] "PATCH
> /3.1/members/7186cd45bde34d4fa7e7b5ab36b97272 HTTP/1.1" 204 0 "-" "GNU
> Mailman REST client v3.3.2"
> [26/Apr/2021:12:06:26 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/ssan.lists.ccalternatives.org
> HTTP/1.1" 200 453 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2"
> [26/Apr/2021:12:06:26 +0000] "POST
> /3.1/members/find?list_id=ssan.lists.ccalternatives.org&subscriber=christian
> %40sewagesludgeactionnetwork.com HTTP/1.1" 200 1288 "-" "GNU Mailman REST
> client v3.3.2"
> [26/Apr/2021:12:06:26 +0000] "GET
> /3.1/lists/ssan(a)lists.ccalternatives.org/requests/count?token_owner=moderato
> r HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2"
> [26/Apr/2021:12:06:26 +0000] "GET
> /3.1/lists/ssan(a)lists.ccalternatives.org/held/count HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-"
> "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2"
> [26/Apr/2021:12:06:26 +0000] "GET
> /3.1/members/7186cd45bde34d4fa7e7b5ab36b97272/preferences HTTP/1.1" 200 295
> "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2"
These entries don't tell anything about a post to the list. They are all
from Mailman's REST API relating to Postorius interactions with core.
However the absence of messages like
Apr 26 07:32:39 2021 (17860) ACCEPT: <message_id>
and
Apr 26 07:32:41 2021 (17857) HyperKitty archived message <message_id> to
https://example.com/archives/list/list_adderss/message/message_id_hash/
assuming you are looking at the correct time span, says there wasn't an
accepted list post.
Mailman's smtp.log may have more info, but the complete, raw message
that the user receives may be more helpful.
--
Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
4 years, 1 month

How to store additional information about lists?
by Stephen J. Turnbull
Andreas Barth writes:
> I need to add custom attributes to the mailing lists:
It's a rather different use case, but Systers Mailman contains
extensive modifications including Systers-specific attributes. Might
be a useful example (although I don't know how recently they've merged
from mainline. ISTR the last time this came up the Systers repo had
moved and it wasn't clear where. Try a quick Google and if no joy, I
can probably put you in touch with somebody who has a clone.
> Enhance the boolean public to a tri-state: public, restricted audience
> and private (restricted audience means: some people could subscribe
> themself
I'm not sure tri-state is a good idea. The boolean public controls
visibility of the list in listinfo pages. I'm not sure if combining
that with who-can-subscribe logic is safe, and there are pending RFEs
to change the visibility logic, which might cause you annoyance at
upgrade. I also am not sure it's a *bad* idea :-), although I suspect
if we were to add the feature to our distribution, we'd probably
implement as a per-list check for permission (this could be a list of
Users, a list of Addresses, or a function to be called with one or the
other).
> - of course this could also be implemented as a second boolean that
> e.g. splits "not public" into "restricted audience" and "private"
> (means: nothing goes wrong for code that doesn't know this
> difference).
Exactly my concern.
> Any hints how to do that best? Is it possible to store custom
> attributes, or should that be stored elsewhere?
No, I don't think there's provision for custom attributes in core. Of
course you could change the database schema, but you'd have to provide
a migration for that. Migrations for somebody else's custom
attributes being a hard thing to automate on our side, we don't
provide for them.
Does this need to be implemented in core (eg, because restricted
audience users would subscribe by mail), or could you get away with a
modification to Postorius only?
4 years

Re: Mailman Core 3.2.2 is now out
by Abhilash Raj
Danil Smirnov wrote:
> Hi Abhilash,
>
> Docker builds are failing for the last few days so we don't have this
> update in the images:
> https://circleci.com/gh/maxking/docker-mailman/tree/master
>
> Could you look at the issue please?
I fixed the daily builds and am currently pushing a new release with
updated versions of Core, Postorius and Hyperkitty's releases.
>
> Best regards,
> Danil Smirnov
>
> вс, 24 мар. 2019 г. в 07:59, Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in>:
>
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > Mailman Core 3.2.2 is released and available on PyPI[1].
> >
> > This is a regular bugfix release and I had to do that to fix a version
> > constraint
> > which pulled in a pre-release of a dependency (falcon) when installed via
> > pip
> > and caused the default install to break.
> >
> > There are few other changes included in this release, including a big
> > refactor
> > of error reporting in Core's REST API. All the error responses are now
> > correctly
> > formatted as JSON with more information about the error. For example,
> > invalid
> > inputs for Enum data types return the valid options. Other error message
> > are
> > now generated from the input validtor and will be more informative.
> >
> > REST API also accepts input as JSON formatted body, alongside the
> > x-www-form-urlencoded.
> >
> > A full list of changes are available here:
> >
> >
> > https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.html#id1
> >
> > This release supports Python 3.5-3.7.
> >
> > Thanks very much to all the contributors involved in this release.
> >
> >
> > [1]: https://pypi.org/project/mailman/
> > --
> > thanks,
> > Abhilash Raj (maxking)
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org
> > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org
> > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/
> >
6 years, 2 months

Re: Template Ignored?
by Stephen Daniel
Fixed the POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL. Doesn't fix the issue.
I've been playing with wget, and no matter what I put, I keep getting a 404
error.
So: this works:
wget -O wget.out --user restadmin --password restpass '
http://localhost:8001/3.1/lists/list.example.com'
but this does not (404 error):
wget -O wget.out --user restadmin --password restpass '
http://localhost:8001/3.1/templates/list/list.example.com/list:user:notice:…
'
Is there a way to list all templates? Or all templates for a list?
On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 12:34 PM Stephen Daniel <swd(a)pobox.com> wrote:
> That pulls a 404 error. Thanks for the hint. I will investigate.
>
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 11:49 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2/17/22 08:04, Stephen Daniel wrote:
>> > Mailman3 people --
>> >
>> > I created a new list, and used postorius to create a template for "
>> > list:user:notice:welcome". I then used the mass subscription feature to
>> > add myself to the list, having checked "pre-confirmed", "pre-approved",
>> and
>> > "pre-verified".
>> >
>> > I received a welcome message that appears to be the default welcome
>> > message. It certainly wasn't what I put into my template.
>> >
>> > Any suggestions on how I get mailman to use my template? Things I
>> might be
>> > doing wrong?
>>
>>
>> What is your setting for POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL? If you create a
>> full URL by appending
>> `/api/templates/list/list.example.com/list:user:notice:welcome`
>> <http://list.example.com/list:user:notice:welcome> to that
>> where `list.example.com` is the actual list_id of your list, and go to
>> that URL, what do you get?
>>
>> --
>> Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers,
>> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
>> _______________________________________________
>> Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org
>> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org
>> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/
>>
>
3 years, 4 months

How to increase maximum size of the message in mailman
by Stephen J. Turnbull
Shashikanth Komandoor writes:
> But the /var/log/maillog says the below error during the above
> hand shake.
>
> *status=bounced (host 0.0.0.0[0.0.0.0] said: 552 Error: Too much mail data*
>
> I have browsed google for understanding and fixing the issue.
> During which I encountered the information given by Mr. Mark Sapio at
> https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/….
> But I could not fix the issue as it is mentioned the default size
> limit is 33554432.
There's no way to configure the LMTP server's message_size_limit in
Mailman; this is a bug but I can't say when it will be fixed.
In mailman/src/mailman/runners/lmtp.py, class LMTPController, if you
edit the line
server = LMTP(self.handler)
to
server = LMTP(self.handler, data_size_limit=100_000_000)
it should have the desired effect. (I think that if as suggested by
your post you're using Python 3.6, you'll have to remove the
underscores from "100_000_000"; that feature was added in 3.7.)
Unfortunately, any time you upgrade Mailman you'll have to edit it
again (that's why I say this is a bug).
I do not understand why the approach you used of editing
DATA_SIZE_DEFAULT in aiosmtpd/smtp.py didn't work. The only thing I
can imagine is that you have multiple Python installations and the
one you edited is not the one that Mailman is currently using, or the
same issue for multiple Mailman installations each with their own
venvs or whatever.
You also will have to configure Mailman. If you haven't done so
already, the procedure is
1. Sign into Postorius as owner of the list,
2. click on the tab "Settings" in the middle of the header under the
name of the list,
3. click on "Message Acceptance" in the sidebar at the left, and
4. set "Maximum message size" to 100000 (kb; no commas or periods).
Unlike the LMTP size setting above, this configuration will persist
across Mailman upgrades.
> Also, please also let me know if there is any limitation specific
> for the attachments so that I can customize that too respectively.
No.
Steve
3 years, 9 months

Help with Newbie error -- I think I deleted my server
by William Oliver
I have recently installed mailman3 on a Debian system with Posftix and
Dovecot. I did it directly and did not use the docker setup.
I managed to get it working to the point that I could send mail locally
and outside my domain through mailman and log in as administrator.
I decided to add a domain, but noticed on the form that the server was
called "example.com." Clearly, I thought, I missed a configuration item
here.
I clicked on that, and it took me to a page where I could add servers.
So, I added my real domain (libertyfp.org) It successfully added it,
so I decided that I clearly didn't need "example.com" as a server, and
deleted it using the same page.
Immediately, I got an "internal server error" and have now lost all web
interfaces. I tried restarting the daemons and rebooting the box, to
no avail.
The error message sent to my admin email is shown below.
So... I have a couple of questions:
1) How can I set libertyfp.org as my server by use of a config file?
2) Failing that, how do a add "example.com" back, since I no longer
have the web interface?
I can't believe I did this. It took me a week to get this up and
working, and I destroyed it in ten minutes after it was working.
Any help would be appreciated. I suppose reinstalling will go much more
quickly, since I know the mistakes I made over the past few days, but I
really don't want to do that...
Here's what it sends me:
DoesNotExist at /mailman3/lists/
Site matching query does not exist.
Request Method: GET
Request URL: https://www.libertyfp.org/mailman3/lists/
Django Version: 3.0.14
Python Executable: /opt/mailman/venv/bin/uwsgi
Python Version: 3.9.2
Python Path: ['/etc/mailman3/', '.', '', '/etc/mailman3',
'/usr/lib/python39.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.9', '/usr/lib/python3.9/lib-
dynload', '/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages']
Server time: Sat, 25 Dec 2021 04:14:00 +0000
Installed Applications:
['hyperkitty',
'postorius',
'django_mailman3',
'django.contrib.admin',
'django.contrib.auth',
'django.contrib.contenttypes',
'django.contrib.sessions',
'django.contrib.sites',
'django.contrib.messages',
'django.contrib.staticfiles',
'rest_framework',
'django_gravatar',
'compressor',
'haystack',
'django_extensions',
'django_q',
'allauth',
'allauth.account',
'allauth.socialaccount']
Installed Middleware:
('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware',
'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware',
'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware',
'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware',
'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware',
'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware',
'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware',
'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware',
'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware',
'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware')
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-
packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 34, in inner
response = get_response(request)
File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-
packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 115, in _get_response
response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request)
File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-
packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 113, in _get_response
response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs)
File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-
packages/postorius/views/list.py", line 978, in list_index
return render(request, template,
File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-
packages/django/shortcuts.py", line 19, in render
content = loader.render_to_string(template_name, context, request,
using=using)
File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-
packages/django/template/loader.py", line 62, in render_to_string
return template.render(context, request)
File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-
packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 61, in render
return self.template.render(context)
File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-
packages/django/template/base.py", line 169, in render
with context.bind_template(self):
File "/usr/lib/python3.9/contextlib.py", line 117, in __enter__
return next(self.gen)
File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-
packages/django/template/context.py", line 246, in bind_template
updates.update(processor(self.request))
File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-
packages/django_mailman3/context_processors.py", line 32, in common
context["site_name"] = get_current_site(request).name
File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-
packages/django/contrib/sites/shortcuts.py", line 13, in
get_current_site
return Site.objects.get_current(request)
File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-
packages/django/contrib/sites/models.py", line 58, in get_current
return self._get_site_by_id(site_id)
File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-
packages/django/contrib/sites/models.py", line 30, in _get_site_by_id
site = self.get(pk=site_id)
File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-
packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 82, in manager_method
return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs)
File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-
packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 415, in get
raise self.model.DoesNotExist(
Exception Type: DoesNotExist at /mailman3/lists/
Exception Value: Site matching query does not exist.
Request information:
USER: AnonymousUser
GET: No GET data
POST: No POST data
FILES: No FILES data
COOKIES:
csrftoken =
'qklMdfLOyqa1TWm0b8nEHMFVBLaa0CgU2DXhSywjpgZMTnCSTNA4MkD4lGLB6z5N'
META:
CSRF_COOKIE =
'qklMdfLOyqa1TWm0b8nEHMFVBLaa0CgU2DXhSywjpgZMTnCSTNA4MkD4lGLB6z5N'
CSRF_COOKIE_USED = True
HTTP_ACCEPT =
'text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,image/avif,image
/webp,image/apng,*/*;q=0.8,application/signed-exchange;v=b3;q=0.9'
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING = 'gzip, deflate, br'
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE = 'en-US,en;q=0.9'
HTTP_CONNECTION = 'close'
HTTP_COOKIE =
'csrftoken=qklMdfLOyqa1TWm0b8nEHMFVBLaa0CgU2DXhSywjpgZMTnCSTNA4MkD4lGLB
6z5N'
HTTP_DNT = '1'
HTTP_HOST = 'www.libertyfp.org'
HTTP_SEC_FETCH_DEST = 'document'
HTTP_SEC_FETCH_MODE = 'navigate'
HTTP_SEC_FETCH_SITE = 'none'
HTTP_SEC_FETCH_USER = '?1'
HTTP_SEC_GPC = '1'
HTTP_UPGRADE_INSECURE_REQUESTS = '1'
HTTP_USER_AGENT = 'Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36
(KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/96.0.4664.93 Safari/537.36'
HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR = '174.212.65.52'
HTTP_X_FORWARDED_HOST = 'www.libertyfp.org'
HTTP_X_FORWARDED_PROTO = 'https'
HTTP_X_FORWARDED_SERVER = 'www.libertyfp.org'
PATH_INFO = '/mailman3/lists/'
QUERY_STRING = ''
REMOTE_ADDR = '127.0.0.1'
REQUEST_METHOD = 'GET'
REQUEST_URI = '/mailman3/lists/'
SCRIPT_NAME = ''
SERVER_NAME = 'libertyfp.org'
SERVER_PORT = '8000'
SERVER_PROTOCOL = 'HTTP/1.0'
uwsgi.core = 0
uwsgi.node = b'libertyfp.org'
uwsgi.version = b'2.0.20'
wsgi.errors = <_io.TextIOWrapper name=2 mode='w' encoding='UTF-8'>
wsgi.file_wrapper = ''
wsgi.input = <uwsgi._Input object at 0x7f8591167d90>
wsgi.multiprocess = True
wsgi.multithread = True
wsgi.run_once = False
wsgi.url_scheme = 'https'
wsgi.version = '(1, 0)'
Settings:
Using settings module settings
ABSOLUTE_URL_OVERRIDES = {}
ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD = 'username_email'
ACCOUNT_DEFAULT_HTTP_PROTOCOL = 'https'
ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED = True
ACCOUNT_EMAIL_VERIFICATION = 'mandatory'
ACCOUNT_UNIQUE_EMAIL = True
ADMINS = "(('Mailman Suite Admin', 'fp145(a)libertyfp.org'),)"
ALLOWED_HOSTS = ['localhost', 'www.libertyfp.org', 'libertyfp.org',
'mail.libertyfp.org', 'list.libertyfp.org', '127.0.0.1']
APPEND_SLASH = True
AUTHENTICATION_BACKENDS =
"('django.contrib.auth.backends.ModelBackend',
'allauth.account.auth_backends.AuthenticationBackend')"
AUTH_PASSWORD_VALIDATORS = '********************'
AUTH_USER_MODEL = 'auth.User'
BASE_DIR = PosixPath('/opt/mailman/web')
CACHES = {'default': {'BACKEND':
'django.core.cache.backends.locmem.LocMemCache'}}
CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_ALIAS = 'default'
CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_KEY_PREFIX = '********************'
CACHE_MIDDLEWARE_SECONDS = 600
COMPRESSORS = {'css': 'compressor.css.CssCompressor', 'js':
'compressor.js.JsCompressor'}
COMPRESS_CACHEABLE_PRECOMPILERS = '()'
COMPRESS_CACHE_BACKEND = 'default'
COMPRESS_CACHE_KEY_FUNCTION = '********************'
COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_ARGUMENTS = ''
COMPRESS_CLEAN_CSS_BINARY = 'cleancss'
COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_ARGUMENTS = ''
COMPRESS_CLOSURE_COMPILER_BINARY = 'java -jar compiler.jar'
COMPRESS_CSS_HASHING_METHOD = 'mtime'
COMPRESS_DATA_URI_MAX_SIZE = 1024
COMPRESS_DEBUG_TOGGLE = None
COMPRESS_ENABLED = True
COMPRESS_FILTERS = {'css':
['compressor.filters.css_default.CssAbsoluteFilter',
'compressor.filters.cssmin.rCSSMinFilter'], 'js':
['compressor.filters.jsmin.rJSMinFilter']}
COMPRESS_JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT = <function
CompressorConf.JINJA2_GET_ENVIRONMENT at 0x7f859064d670>
COMPRESS_MINT_DELAY = 30
COMPRESS_MTIME_DELAY = 10
COMPRESS_OFFLINE = False
COMPRESS_OFFLINE_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/static/'}
COMPRESS_OFFLINE_MANIFEST = 'manifest.json'
COMPRESS_OFFLINE_TIMEOUT = 31536000
COMPRESS_OUTPUT_DIR = 'CACHE'
COMPRESS_PARSER = 'compressor.parser.AutoSelectParser'
COMPRESS_PRECOMPILERS = "(('text/x-scss', 'sassc -t compressed {infile}
{outfile}'), ('text/x-sass', 'sassc -t compressed {infile}
{outfile}'))"
COMPRESS_REBUILD_TIMEOUT = 2592000
COMPRESS_ROOT = '/opt/mailman/web/static'
COMPRESS_STORAGE = 'compressor.storage.CompressorFileStorage'
COMPRESS_TEMPLATE_FILTER_CONTEXT = {'STATIC_URL': '/static/'}
COMPRESS_URL = '/static/'
COMPRESS_URL_PLACEHOLDER = '/__compressor_url_placeholder__/'
COMPRESS_VERBOSE = False
COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_BINARY = 'yuglify'
COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_CSS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal'
COMPRESS_YUGLIFY_JS_ARGUMENTS = '--terminal'
COMPRESS_YUI_BINARY = 'java -jar yuicompressor.jar'
COMPRESS_YUI_CSS_ARGUMENTS = ''
COMPRESS_YUI_JS_ARGUMENTS = ''
CSRF_COOKIE_AGE = 31449600
CSRF_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None
CSRF_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False
CSRF_COOKIE_NAME = 'csrftoken'
CSRF_COOKIE_PATH = '/'
CSRF_COOKIE_SAMESITE = 'Lax'
CSRF_COOKIE_SECURE = False
CSRF_FAILURE_VIEW = 'django.views.csrf.csrf_failure'
CSRF_HEADER_NAME = 'HTTP_X_CSRFTOKEN'
CSRF_TRUSTED_ORIGINS = []
CSRF_USE_SESSIONS = False
DATABASES = {'default': {'ENGINE':
'django.db.backends.postgresql_psycopg2', 'NAME': 'mailman', 'USER':
'mailman', 'PASSWORD': '********************', 'HOST': 'localhost',
'PORT': '5432', 'ATOMIC_REQUESTS': False, 'AUTOCOMMIT': True,
'CONN_MAX_AGE': 0, 'OPTIONS': {}, 'TIME_ZONE': None, 'TEST':
{'CHARSET': None, 'COLLATION': None, 'NAME': None, 'MIRROR': None}}}
DATABASE_ROUTERS = []
DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440
DATA_UPLOAD_MAX_NUMBER_FIELDS = 1000
DATETIME_FORMAT = 'N j, Y, P'
DATETIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S.%f',
'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M', '%Y-%m-%d', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M:%S', '%m/%d/%Y
%H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%Y %H:%M', '%m/%d/%Y', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S',
'%m/%d/%y %H:%M:%S.%f', '%m/%d/%y %H:%M', '%m/%d/%y']
DATE_FORMAT = 'N j, Y'
DATE_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%Y-%m-%d', '%m/%d/%Y', '%m/%d/%y', '%b %d %Y',
'%b %d, %Y', '%d %b %Y', '%d %b, %Y', '%B %d %Y', '%B %d, %Y', '%d %B
%Y', '%d %B, %Y']
DEBUG = False
DEBUG_PROPAGATE_EXCEPTIONS = False
DECIMAL_SEPARATOR = '.'
DEFAULT_CHARSET = 'utf-8'
DEFAULT_EXCEPTION_REPORTER_FILTER =
'django.views.debug.SafeExceptionReporterFilter'
DEFAULT_FILE_STORAGE = 'django.core.files.storage.FileSystemStorage'
DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = 'mailman(a)libertyfp.org'
DEFAULT_INDEX_TABLESPACE = ''
DEFAULT_TABLESPACE = ''
DISALLOWED_USER_AGENTS = []
EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend'
EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost'
EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD = '********************'
EMAIL_HOST_USER = 'mailman(a)libertyfp.org'
EMAIL_PORT = 25
EMAIL_SSL_CERTFILE = None
EMAIL_SSL_KEYFILE = '********************'
EMAIL_SUBJECT_PREFIX = '[Django] '
EMAIL_TIMEOUT = None
EMAIL_USE_LOCALTIME = False
EMAIL_USE_SSL = False
EMAIL_USE_TLS = False
FILE_CHARSET = 'utf-8'
FILE_UPLOAD_DIRECTORY_PERMISSIONS = None
FILE_UPLOAD_HANDLERS =
['django.core.files.uploadhandler.MemoryFileUploadHandler',
'django.core.files.uploadhandler.TemporaryFileUploadHandler']
FILE_UPLOAD_MAX_MEMORY_SIZE = 2621440
FILE_UPLOAD_PERMISSIONS = 420
FILE_UPLOAD_TEMP_DIR = None
FILTER_VHOST = False
FIRST_DAY_OF_WEEK = 0
FIXTURE_DIRS = []
FORCE_SCRIPT_NAME = None
FORMAT_MODULE_PATH = None
FORM_RENDERER = 'django.forms.renderers.DjangoTemplates'
HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = {'default': {'ENGINE':
'haystack.backends.whoosh_backend.WhooshEngine', 'PATH':
'/opt/mailman/web/fulltext_index'}}
HYPERKITTY_ENABLE_GRAVATAR = True
IGNORABLE_404_URLS = []
INSTALLED_APPS = ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3',
'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth',
'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions',
'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages',
'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar',
'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth',
'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount']
INTERNAL_IPS = []
LANGUAGES = [('af', 'Afrikaans'), ('ar', 'Arabic'), ('ast',
'Asturian'), ('az', 'Azerbaijani'), ('bg', 'Bulgarian'), ('be',
'Belarusian'), ('bn', 'Bengali'), ('br', 'Breton'), ('bs', 'Bosnian'),
('ca', 'Catalan'), ('cs', 'Czech'), ('cy', 'Welsh'), ('da', 'Danish'),
('de', 'German'), ('dsb', 'Lower Sorbian'), ('el', 'Greek'), ('en',
'English'), ('en-au', 'Australian English'), ('en-gb', 'British
English'), ('eo', 'Esperanto'), ('es', 'Spanish'), ('es-ar',
'Argentinian Spanish'), ('es-co', 'Colombian Spanish'), ('es-mx',
'Mexican Spanish'), ('es-ni', 'Nicaraguan Spanish'), ('es-ve',
'Venezuelan Spanish'), ('et', 'Estonian'), ('eu', 'Basque'), ('fa',
'Persian'), ('fi', 'Finnish'), ('fr', 'French'), ('fy', 'Frisian'),
('ga', 'Irish'), ('gd', 'Scottish Gaelic'), ('gl', 'Galician'), ('he',
'Hebrew'), ('hi', 'Hindi'), ('hr', 'Croatian'), ('hsb', 'Upper
Sorbian'), ('hu', 'Hungarian'), ('hy', 'Armenian'), ('ia',
'Interlingua'), ('id', 'Indonesian'), ('io', 'Ido'), ('is',
'Icelandic'), ('it', 'Italian'), ('ja', 'Japanese'), ('ka',
'Georgian'), ('kab', 'Kabyle'), ('kk', 'Kazakh'), ('km', 'Khmer'),
('kn', 'Kannada'), ('ko', 'Korean'), ('lb', 'Luxembourgish'), ('lt',
'Lithuanian'), ('lv', 'Latvian'), ('mk', 'Macedonian'), ('ml',
'Malayalam'), ('mn', 'Mongolian'), ('mr', 'Marathi'), ('my',
'Burmese'), ('nb', 'Norwegian Bokmål'), ('ne', 'Nepali'), ('nl',
'Dutch'), ('nn', 'Norwegian Nynorsk'), ('os', 'Ossetic'), ('pa',
'Punjabi'), ('pl', 'Polish'), ('pt', 'Portuguese'), ('pt-br',
'Brazilian Portuguese'), ('ro', 'Romanian'), ('ru', 'Russian'), ('sk',
'Slovak'), ('sl', 'Slovenian'), ('sq', 'Albanian'), ('sr', 'Serbian'),
('sr-latn', 'Serbian Latin'), ('sv', 'Swedish'), ('sw', 'Swahili'),
('ta', 'Tamil'), ('te', 'Telugu'), ('th', 'Thai'), ('tr', 'Turkish'),
('tt', 'Tatar'), ('udm', 'Udmurt'), ('uk', 'Ukrainian'), ('ur',
'Urdu'), ('uz', 'Uzbek'), ('vi', 'Vietnamese'), ('zh-hans', 'Simplified
Chinese'), ('zh-hant', 'Traditional Chinese')]
LANGUAGES_BIDI = ['he', 'ar', 'fa', 'ur']
LANGUAGE_CODE = 'en-us'
LANGUAGE_COOKIE_AGE = None
LANGUAGE_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None
LANGUAGE_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = False
LANGUAGE_COOKIE_NAME = 'django_language'
LANGUAGE_COOKIE_PATH = '/'
LANGUAGE_COOKIE_SAMESITE = None
LANGUAGE_COOKIE_SECURE = False
LOCALE_PATHS = []
LOGGING = {'version': 1, 'disable_existing_loggers': False, 'filters':
{'require_debug_false': {'()': 'django.utils.log.RequireDebugFalse'}},
'handlers': {'mail_admins': {'level': 'ERROR', 'filters':
['require_debug_false'], 'class':
'django.utils.log.AdminEmailHandler'}, 'file': {'level': 'INFO',
'class': 'logging.handlers.WatchedFileHandler', 'filename':
'/opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log', 'formatter': 'verbose'},
'console': {'class': 'logging.StreamHandler', 'formatter': 'simple'}},
'loggers': {'django.request': {'handlers': ['mail_admins', 'file'],
'level': 'ERROR', 'propagate': True}, 'django': {'handlers': ['file'],
'level': 'ERROR', 'propagate': True}, 'hyperkitty': {'handlers':
['file'], 'level': 'DEBUG', 'propagate': True}, 'postorius':
{'handlers': ['console', 'file'], 'level': 'INFO'}}, 'formatters':
{'verbose': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(asctime)s %(process)d %(name)s
%(message)s'}, 'simple': {'format': '%(levelname)s %(message)s'}}}
LOGGING_CONFIG = 'logging.config.dictConfig'
LOGIN_REDIRECT_URL = 'list_index'
LOGIN_URL = 'account_login'
LOGOUT_REDIRECT_URL = None
LOGOUT_URL = 'account_logout'
MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_FROM = "('127.0.0.1', '::1')"
MAILMAN_ARCHIVER_KEY = '********************'
MAILMAN_REST_API_PASS = '********************'
MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = '********************'
MAILMAN_REST_API_USER = '********************'
MANAGERS = []
MEDIA_ROOT = ''
MEDIA_URL = ''
MESSAGE_STORAGE =
'django.contrib.messages.storage.fallback.FallbackStorage'
MESSAGE_TAGS = {40: 'danger'}
MIDDLEWARE = "('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware',
'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware',
'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware',
'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware',
'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware',
'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware',
'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware',
'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware',
'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware',
'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware')"
MIGRATION_MODULES = {}
MONTH_DAY_FORMAT = 'F j'
NUMBER_GROUPING = 0
PASSWORD_HASHERS = '********************'
PASSWORD_RESET_TIMEOUT_DAYS = '********************'
POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL = 'http://localhost:8000'
PREPEND_WWW = False
Q_CLUSTER = {'retry': 360, 'timeout': 300, 'save_limit': 100, 'orm':
'default'}
ROOT_URLCONF = 'mailman_web.urls'
SECRET_KEY = '********************'
SECURE_BROWSER_XSS_FILTER = False
SECURE_CONTENT_TYPE_NOSNIFF = True
SECURE_HSTS_INCLUDE_SUBDOMAINS = False
SECURE_HSTS_PRELOAD = False
SECURE_HSTS_SECONDS = 0
SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER = None
SECURE_REDIRECT_EXEMPT = []
SECURE_REFERRER_POLICY = None
SECURE_SSL_HOST = None
SECURE_SSL_REDIRECT = False
SERVER_EMAIL = 'root(a)localhost.local'
SESSION_CACHE_ALIAS = 'default'
SESSION_COOKIE_AGE = 1209600
SESSION_COOKIE_DOMAIN = None
SESSION_COOKIE_HTTPONLY = True
SESSION_COOKIE_NAME = 'sessionid'
SESSION_COOKIE_PATH = '/'
SESSION_COOKIE_SAMESITE = 'Lax'
SESSION_COOKIE_SECURE = False
SESSION_ENGINE = 'django.contrib.sessions.backends.db'
SESSION_EXPIRE_AT_BROWSER_CLOSE = False
SESSION_FILE_PATH = None
SESSION_SAVE_EVERY_REQUEST = False
SESSION_SERIALIZER =
'django.contrib.sessions.serializers.PickleSerializer'
SETTINGS_MODULE = 'settings'
SHORT_DATETIME_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y P'
SHORT_DATE_FORMAT = 'm/d/Y'
SIGNING_BACKEND = 'django.core.signing.TimestampSigner'
SILENCED_SYSTEM_CHECKS = []
SITE_ID = 1
SOCIALACCOUNT_PROVIDERS = {'openid': {'SERVERS': [{'id': 'yahoo',
'name': 'Yahoo', 'openid_url': 'http://me.yahoo.com'}]}, 'google':
{'SCOPE': ['profile', 'email'], 'AUTH_PARAMS': {'access_type':
'online'}}, 'facebook': {'METHOD': 'oauth2', 'SCOPE': ['email'],
'FIELDS': ['email', 'name', 'first_name', 'last_name', 'locale',
'timezone'], 'VERSION': 'v2.4'}}
STATICFILES_DIRS = '()'
STATICFILES_FINDERS =
"('django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.FileSystemFinder',
'django.contrib.staticfiles.finders.AppDirectoriesFinder',
'compressor.finders.CompressorFinder')"
STATICFILES_STORAGE =
'django.contrib.staticfiles.storage.StaticFilesStorage'
STATIC_ROOT = '/opt/mailman/web/static'
STATIC_URL = '/static/'
TEMPLATES = [{'BACKEND':
'django.template.backends.django.DjangoTemplates', 'DIRS': [],
'APP_DIRS': True, 'OPTIONS': {'context_processors':
['django.template.context_processors.debug',
'django.template.context_processors.i18n',
'django.template.context_processors.media',
'django.template.context_processors.static',
'django.template.context_processors.tz',
'django.template.context_processors.csrf',
'django.template.context_processors.request',
'django.contrib.auth.context_processors.auth',
'django.contrib.messages.context_processors.messages',
'django_mailman3.context_processors.common',
'hyperkitty.context_processors.common',
'postorius.context_processors.postorius']}}]
TEST_NON_SERIALIZED_APPS = []
TEST_RUNNER = 'django.test.runner.DiscoverRunner'
THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = ','
TIME_FORMAT = 'P'
TIME_INPUT_FORMATS = ['%H:%M:%S', '%H:%M:%S.%f', '%H:%M']
TIME_ZONE = 'UTC'
USE_I18N = True
USE_L10N = True
USE_THOUSAND_SEPARATOR = False
USE_TZ = True
USE_X_FORWARDED_HOST = False
USE_X_FORWARDED_PORT = False
WSGI_APPLICATION = 'mailman_web.wsgi.application'
X_FRAME_OPTIONS = 'DENY'
YEAR_MONTH_FORMAT = 'F Y'
3 years, 5 months

Re: Custom templates (was: Re: Re: nginx configuration on a multitasking server)
by Mark Sapiro
On 1/14/22 6:11 PM, David Newman wrote:
> On 1/14/22 4:54 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>
>> It should work. I suspect you need to go to the list's Settings ->
>> Automatic Responses and set `Admin immed notify` to Yes.
>
>
> It's enabled. I think this triggers notifications only for new
> subscription requests, not pending ones.
Yes. That will send a single notification at the time of the request
using the `list:admin:action:subscribe.txt` template. Notices of pending
requests are sent by the `mailman notify` command using the
`list:admin:notice:pending.txt` template.
...
>> You can test `mailman notify` at any time by running it by hand.
>
>
> Thanks. This still isn't working as intended. I took these steps:
>
> 1. Created the file
> '/opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/test.lists.domain.tld/en/list:admin:action:pending.txt'
The template name is `list:admin:notice:pending.txt`, not
`list:admin:action:pending.txt`. Thats why it didn't work.
...
> 2. Restarted the mailman3 and mailmanweb services
You only needed to restart Mailman core.
...
> What I'm trying to do here is replicate a feature from MM2.1, where
> pending notifications had URLs embedded in the message. That's not
> available out of the box in MM3, and if there's a place for feature
> requests I'd be glad to ask that this be made the default.
The place for feature requests for Mailman core (which this is) is
https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues, however, this is not
straightforward as Mailman core doesn't know if you even have Postorius
or some other web management UI installed or what the URL to access it
might be. Thus it's not just a simple matter of editing templates. It
would also require a configuration setting for the base URL for the web
admin UI and changes in logic to provide an appropriate replacement
depending on whether or not the base URL was configured.
--
Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
3 years, 5 months

Re: Notifying owners of membership changes but not moderators
by Perry Kollmorgen
Thanks Mark.
So, I have python scripts which do the adding of nonmembers and moderators.
For the nonmember script I needed to add something so that the nonmembers can send, i.e the moderaction_action = 'defer'
This is my code for nonmembers:
mailing_list.add_role('nonmember', nonmember.email, display_name=nonmember.display_name)
list_member = mailing_list.get_nonmember(nonmember.email)
list_member.moderation_action = 'defer'
list_member.save()
For the code for moderators it currently only adds them:
mailing_list.add_moderator(moderator.email, display_name=moderator.display_name)
Would I need to add something similar which sets a delivery_status for the moderator added ?
Cheers,
Perry
________________________________
From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net>
Sent: Wednesday, 27 November 2024 2:16 PM
To: mailman-users(a)mailman3.org <mailman-users(a)mailman3.org>
Subject: [MM3-users] Re: Notifying owners of membership changes but not moderators
On 11/26/24 4:54 PM, Perry Kollmorgen wrote:
>
> Is there any way to have these only for Owners ?
No. Essentially all admin notices are sent to LISTNAME-owner@DOMAIN and
that in turn resends to owners and moderators. There are no controls to
restrict this to only owners and not moderators, however it doesn't send
to those with delivery disabled, so you could do something like this in
`mailman shell`
```
$ mailman shell -l LIST_ID
Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell
Use commit() to commit changes.
Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit.
Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not.
The variable 'm' is the LIST_ID mailing list
>>> for moderator in m.moderators.members:
... moderator.preferences.delivery_status = DeliveryStatus.by_moderator
...
>>> commit()
```
This will not affect the delivery status of the user's role as list member.
This is not available in Postorius and also, the moderator can't set the
delivery_status for their moderator role either, only for their member role.
--
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San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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6 months, 3 weeks

Re: Implicit Destination Meaning
by Mark Sapiro
On 2/8/21 6:41 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote:
> I just migrated a MM2 list to MM3. The client had no problem sending
> posts to his list with MM2. However when he posted to his MM3 list, it
> showed up in the moderation queue:
>
> ============
> Your mail to 'dogs(a)lists.redacted.org' with the subject
>
> mailing list changes
>
> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>
> The message is being held because:
>
> Message has implicit destination
>
> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
> notification of the moderator's decision.
> ===========
>
> Is there a List Setting somewhere that needs to be adjusted to allow
> this sender to post without moderation?
There are a few things going on here. First, the list setting is
require_explicit_destination. This is in Postorius under Settings ->
Message Acceptance. If this is False or No, the implicit destination
rule will never hit, but clearly it is Yes/True and should have been
imported from the 2.1 list so it was probably True there too.
When True, it means the list posting address or an acceptable alias must
be explicitly addressed (in To:, Cc:, Resent-To: or Resent-Cc: of the
post. An acceptable alias is a literal address or pattern matching
addresses. These are also in Settings -> Message Acceptance and should
have been imported from MM 2.1.
For example, if the list's posting address is list(a)example.com, but you
can also post to list(a)lists.example.com, list(a)lists.example.com should
be in acceptable aliases.
The most likely explanation here is that the post is being sent to a
subdomain which is not the list's canonical posting address or vice
versa. The reason this worked in MM 2.1 but not in MM 3 is in MM 2.1 if
the list name matched, the check passed even if the domains didn't, but
that is not the case in MM 3. The solution is to add the 'other'
addresses to Acceptable aliases.
--
Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
4 years, 4 months

Re: Hyperkitty performance problem
by Mark Sapiro
On 12/28/24 05:19, monochromec via Mailman-users wrote:
> Following the root cause analysis which Tobias started all those weeks ago we (the admin team behind the installation) are still struggling with the following phenomenon: messages on average take more than 24 hours to be processed, more precisely, the average lifetime of a pickled message object in `/var/lib/mailman3/queue/pipeline` clocks in at around 26 hours).
This issue is with Mailman core's pipeline runner. See
https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/8-mil…
for an overview of message handling and queues in Mailman core.
It seems that the pipeline runner(s) are taking an inordinately long
time to process a message through the pipeline of handlers causing the
pipeline queue to become backlogged.
> Couple of stats of the installation: standard installation from Bookworm OS repos, Hyperkitty as archiver and Postorius as web frontend as explained above, running Python 3.11.2 from the standard systemd service as packaged with the Bookworm deb file. All backends (Core + Hyperkitty) are supported by Postgres version 15+248. The MTA is a standard Postfix installation, again from OS packages.
The primary support for Debian packages is Debian. See
https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344
> The underlying VM has 7 cores with just under 24 GB of main memory. This production instance is handling less than 130 mailing list (MLs) with an average of less than 10 postings per day per ML. CPU core utilisation hovers around 50% with the lion share allocated to the four pipeline runners as part of the MM configuration.
This is an average of less than 1 message per minute. Processing a
message through the pipeline should take nowhere near a minute. Possibly
there is an issue in the rfc_2369.py handler. This handler communicates
with HyperKitty via mailman_hyperkitty to obtain values for the
List-Archive: and Archived-At: headers added to the message. Possibly
there is some configuration issue with mailman_hyperkitty that causes
these queries to take a long time and possibly eventually time out.
Are there any `Connection to HyperKitty failed:`, `HyperKitty failure on
...` or `Invalid response from HyperKitty` type messages in mailman.log?
--
Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
5 months, 2 weeks