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Re: Fwd: Re: Removing a mail addresses and users

by Allan Hansen

All, Thank you for your thoughtful responses to my call for a removal of the core vs. Django disconnect. From your responses it appears that my suggestion my issues were caused by the Mailman Core was not based in reality. Instead, the issue is how Postorius interacts with the Core. My apologies for overreaching, as the cause of my issues is not an issue to me. Keeping Core a simple list manager is fine, if Postorius is easy to use and does the expected. As a Subscriber, you are able to do switch emails in subscriptions from your options page. The URL to which is displayed in the List's Summary page when you are logged in. Yes, it requires an approval if the list's settings are set to moderate but that is going to be fixed, see this issue[1]. It is quite simple IMO to fix this one, if someone wants to take this up. Well, it’s more than that. Based on the current setup, I have asked my subscribers who want to change their subscription addresses to: a. Create an account if you do not already have one. b. Go to the user profile page. c. Select ‘E-mail Addresses’. d. Add the new e-mail to the user profile. e. Wait for the verification notice and verify the new address. e1. If it does not show send email to hansen(a)rc.org <mailto:hansen@rc.org> to get the email verified manually. f. Sign in to the account again and to the user profile (or refresh the page if not signed out). g. Select the new address as the primary address. h. Click on ‘Manage Lists’ i. For each list you are subscribed to: i1. Select the list i2. Click ‘List Options Page.’ i3. Pull down the ’Select Email’ menu. i4 Select your new email. i5. Press ‘Change email used for subscription. i6. When the moderator contacts you, explain that you are just changing your email. i6.1. If the moderator is late, send a reminder or send email to hansen(a)rc.org <mailto:hansen@rc.org> to bypass the moderator. Most people choke on these instructions, so I have unfortunately resorted to just asking them to subscribe the new address and forget about the old. This is not good for our reputation when the old addresses start bouncing. So, in more detail: I would like to ask my subscribers who want to change their address to: a. Create an account if you did not already have one. b. Go to the user profile page. c. Select ‘E-mail Addresses’. d. Select an existing address e-mail listed the user profile. e. Press new button ‘Change address’. f. When page refreshes, enter the new e-mail address. g. Press ‘Apply.' d. Wait for the verification notice. d1. If it does not show send email to hansen(a)rc.org <mailto:hansen@rc.org> to get the email verified manually. In other words, in addition to ‘Make Primary’ and ‘Re-send Verification’ and ‘Remove’, another button says: ‘Change Address’ or’ ‘Replace Address’ or some such. This button brings up another page that looks the same, but instead of ‘Add E-mail Adress’ is says : Enter New E-mail Address’ and instead of ‘Add E-mail’ is says: ‘Apply’. Then the page refreshes back to the original page, but the new address is now replacing the old address. Optionally, it can show the old address still with a ‘pending change’ until verification. Further, when the new address is verified, all lists get updated with the new address replacing the old address and all settings associated with the old address are now associated with the new address. No moderator or admin involvement needed (other than d1). You are able to sign in via web and manage your email and subscriptions. The preferences also work exactly how you described above where the lower level override the default and/or upper level settings. To some extent that is true, Abhilash, and I appreciate that. The above (address change) is a missing piece in that picture and I look forward to seeing it added, if you have time. Yours, Allan Hansen hansen(a)rc.org > On Jun 14, 2020, at 0:19 , Stephen J. Turnbull <turnbull.stephen.fw(a)u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote: > > Mark Sapiro writes: > >> Then the people who developed the web based management UI (Postorius) >> and archive UI (HyperKitty) chose to develop those within a Django >> framework and Django has its own concept of User separate from Mailman >> Core and that is where the disconnect occurs. >> >> It's not that Mailman Core lacks what you want. It's that Django doesn't >> use it. > > I think that's mostly right, in terms of the features that users miss. > However, as far as I know, Mailman core does lack facilities for > identification, authentication, and authorization of connections to > the REST API. And that means that the front ends have to handle > this. I would guess that's why the web interfaces are built around > Django user authentication. > > I think it would be possible to have somewhat tighter integration > between the Django "web users" and the Mailman core User objects, but > it's not necessarily going to be trivial. > > I see that Abhilash is pretty optimistic, but I fear this this is > going to be a long-tail situation where we're going to be seeing core > user vs. web-gui user integration issues in 2030 (maybe by then only 1 > every 450 days ;-). I have some ideas, maybe in a couple weeks I can > sketch them out. > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/

4 years, 5 months

Re: Python 3.5 support?

by Abhilash Raj

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, at 2:10 PM, Joel Lord wrote: > I'm looking through the recent changes to Core and Postorius and I keep > spotting what looks like removal of the test cases for Python 3.5. Is > the next release going to be dropping support for 3.5? Is this because > 3.5 is going EOL shortly or because there are changes in the upcoming > release that actively will not work on 3.5? I've tried to hold off on dropping support for 3.5 for as long as I can, the last release even though supported 3.5 in Core, didn't in Django apps(specifically, Hyperkitty). The main reason to drop support is that our dependencies have started dropping off support. For now, there is nothing in the Mailman source code that blocks 3.5, but that could change soon since I've really been waiting to use f'strings and other exciting features. Also, Debian and Fedora do have 3.7 or 3.8 in them at this point, so I am hoping this won't be a huge issue. > > -- > Joel Lord > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

4 years, 4 months

Re: Default moderation for new members

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/14/19 7:37 AM, Seth Seeger wrote: > > I’m loving Mailman3 so far! Great work on it. Thank you. > I’d like to have new members who join my lists have their posting ability set to moderated. (After their first legitimate post, they would set to be unmoderated.) I haven’t been able to find this, though I’m suspecting the language has changed. In Postorius set Settings -> Message Acceptance -> "Default action to take when a member posts to the list" to Hold for moderation. This is the action which will be taken for a post from a member whose individual Moderation is List Default as it is for all new members. Then when a post from that member is held, if you click the subject in the held messages view, a dialog opens showing the message content with Accept, Reject and Discard buttons and a dropdown list you can use to set that member's Moderation to Default processing. Default processing is generally what you want as it bypasses the moderation hold but still applies other tests such as header filters, administrivia, implicit-dest, max-recipients, max-size, etc. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years

Re: Adding a domsin

by Brian Carpenter

On 1/13/20 4:33 PM, Allan Hansen wrote: > Hi all, > > I’m still working on setting up my lists in a domain that was added after MM3 installation. > > It’s mostly working but the Postorius page and the ‘noreply’ emails still sport the old domain name. I hav looked at all the py and cfg files where the old name appeared, and they no longer hold the old name. My coadmin now tells me that the database has a table with the old name. Any suggestion as to whether that can cause the issue and if it’s safe to change the table. > > Yours, > > Allan Hansen > P.O. Box 2423 > Cypress, CA 90630 > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ Hi Allan, I saw the changes you made to the two files, settings_local.py and mailman.cfg. They look correct. Did you restart the mailman/qcluster/gunicorn services after you made the change? -- Please let me know if you need further assistance. Thank you for your business. We appreciate our clients. Brian Carpenter EMWD.com -- EMWD's Knowledgebase: https://clientarea.emwd.com/index.php/knowledgebase EMWD's Community Forums http://discourse.emwd.com/

4 years, 10 months

problems installing mailman3 under gentoo and upgrading mailman2 to mailman3

by John Covici

Hi. I am having a great deal of difficulty installing mailman3 using gentoo and sendmail. Also, I want to upgrade my old mailman2 data to mailman3. What I have done so far is to install the mailman3 packages from my repository and got this: django-mailman3 version 1.3.4, mailmanclient version 3.3.1, mailman version 3.3.2 (apparently the core), postorius version 1.3.3 and hyperkitty version 1.3.3. I also have mariadb and postgresql already installed. Now trying to read your documentation, it seems it wants me to reinstall some packages using pip in the home directory of the mailman user in a python virtual environment, that was the first thing. But I would like to avoid multiple package managers wherever possible -- gentoo is already a lot of maintainance without dealing with pip's maintainance. The binaries also seem to be different from my gentoo packages. So, how do I proceed with getting mailman3 up and working, configuring the database, configs, etc and I guess after doing that upgrading mailman2 and getting sendmail to interface properly with mailman3? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici(a)ccs.covici.com

3 years, 8 months

Re: Congrats on the instructions for installation on ubuntu, what about migration?

by Mark Sapiro

On 10/8/24 5:45 PM, Bill Oliver wrote: > > Is there a tutorial/instructions on migrating data from an old system > to a new one? It's actually not the end of the world if I don't get > all the old emails transferred, but I'd like to get the email addresses > of the participants moved over easily... I believe that I set it up > in 2020, but did not do any version upgrades since then... There's no explicit doc, but there are some posts in the archives of this list, e.g. <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message…>. The easiest scenario is if you want to migrate everything. You just dump the database on the old server and load it on the new one using the database manager's tools. If you only want to move some, but not all lists, it's more complicated, but possibly the easiest thing is to migrate everything and then delete the unwanted lists and their archives from Postorius and HyperKitty. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 month, 2 weeks

Error Logging - what changed with the New Year releases?

by Odhiambo Washington

Apart from all the defaults in settings.py (derived from gitlab), I also have this line: LOGGING['handlers']['file']['filename'] = '/opt/mailman/mm/var/logs/mailmanweb.log' Before the New Year releases of MM3, I used to get errors written to this file. Not anymore after I updated to the New Year releases. Another thing that I have realized is that prior to the New Year releases, I would get an error logged to that file and also mailed to me. I don't think that I have changed anything in settings,py related to logging. I have been trying to get signup with Twitter working. This used to generate an error that was both logged and emailed, but that isn't happening anymore. I have enabled other social auth providers (in settings.py) which I haven't configured in the admin panel. I expect that tying to use these on Postorius would generate an error that is logged and mailed to admin, but that too is not happening. Just checking out what might have changed - or if I am going nuts :-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

1 year, 10 months

Re: Create a mailman-web admin user

by Odhiambo Washington

On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 4:55 PM Roland Giesler via Mailman-users < mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > On 2024/07/30 15:48, Roland Giesler via Mailman-users wrote: > > However, which user in the mailman user mentioned? > > > > I tried to do this as root, but login in as an admin doesn't give me > > any option to create new lists in postorius. What am I missing / > > doing wrong? > > > I seem to have solved the riddle. The "mailman-web createsuperuser" > command suggest the the mailman user is www-data, which I accepted. That > worked and I can now create a new list from Postorius. > Actually, it wasn't a riddle. You looked at documentation meant for the virtualenv <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html>installation method while your installation seems to be done from your OS package distribution. The OS package installation is fraught with pain. The virtualenv method is the officially recommended. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

3 months, 4 weeks

Re: Mail going to Held Messaging even the moderation is set to Accept Immediately

by Mark Sapiro

On 7/21/20 8:09 AM, Shashikanth Komandoor wrote: > > As per my understanding on Mailman 3, if the moderation attribute is > set to "Accept immediately (bypass all other rules)" then without checking > any rules, it should be delivered to the recipients of the list > irrespective of the message or body of the message but is there any such > checking if the body content or subject or any thing else is checked even > if the moderation bit is set to "Accept immediately". Member moderation Accept Immediately does not bypass ALL rules. It only bypasses those rules after member-moderation. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/chains/builtin…>. However, I don't think that's the issue here. I think the issue is the poster is both an owner and a member. There is an issue in Postorius such that in cases like this, setting the member's moderation action actually sets that of the owner which has no effect on posting. See <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/659> -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 4 months

Re: spanish localization

by Mark Sapiro

On 2/13/21 4:08 PM, Victoriano Giralt wrote: > > Mark, please, how do you check when translations happened? Nov 7th is a > very significant date for me (it is my wedding anniversary) and I'm 90% > sure that I dedicated time to Weblate after that date... With respect to Mailman core, all I'm doing is downloading the .po for Spanish and comparing it to mailman/messages/es/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po from the Mailman core 3.3.3 package on PyPI and they are identical. If there are translated strings on weblate that are different from that, they don't show up in the downloaded <https://hosted.weblate.org/download/gnu-mailman/mailman/es/>. > All strings related to Mailman (core, django_mailman3, postorius and > hyperkitty) are translated into Spanish 100%, but the interfaces, after > updating to the latest releases, are still in Englanish (more English than > Spanish). > > This is not a fight, we want to help, but do not know how. And I too want to help. It would be a help to me if you can give me examples of specific strings whose weblate translation differs from what's in the distributed .po files. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 9 months

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