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Re: Footer from templates not working - DB issue?

by Hans Mayer

Hi Mark, many thanks for this hint. I updated table "template" and replaced "localhost" with the real name and it worked. // Hans -- On 25.09.22 19:28, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 9/25/22 05:26, mailman--- via Mailman-users wrote: >> Dear All, >> I have a similar issue. Also on Debian 11. Also installed as Debian >> PKG. It's version GNU Mailman 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer) >> I am using sqlite3. When I do the SQL-query I get an URI which is in >> multiple reasons wrong >> http://localhost/mailman3/postorius/api/templates/list/....../list:member:r… >> > > The initial part of that URL is set from the Django setting > `POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL`. If that is set to > `http://localhost/mailman3/`, it should probably be just > `http://localhost/`. > > >> OK - the hostname could be changed but the path is not existing at all. >> There is no file "list:member:regular:footer" on the complete >> filesystem. > > It's not a file. It refers to an entry in the postorius_emailtemplate > table in the database which is retrieved via the Postorius API. >

3 years, 11 months

Re: Member Issue Discovered

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Brian Carpenter writes: > I reported a serious problem. Inability to change display name is an annoying problem that probably *will* affect quite a few users, and if they can't do it themselves, it will affect list admins and then site admins who are asked to do it for them. Nobody has said we won't work on that, but it's not like we've had 1000 reports in the several years that Mailman 3 has been in production use. Nor is it all that big a deal: the user retains control of the display name in each post (modulo the DMARC mitigation). As far as I know the stored display name is only used cosmetically (in the UIs for user configuration of Postorius and HyperKitty and in administrative mail to the user). > The reply was to bring up assumptions that should not be made such > as a list member is actually a registered user. I'm not sure what you think is going on here. Users (registered) are the locus of authentication in Mailman, and as such they are more or less equivalent to Mailman's raison d'être, namely giving (human) users control of their own subscriptions. The difference between Mailman 2 and Mailman 3 is that in the former a user *is* an address, in the latter a user *has* an address (and maybe several). The original "user == subscription" model of Mailman 2 is plausible, but it wasn't sustainable. The users and admins we hear from most are "heavy users": the users subscribe to dozens of lists, typically several on a single host. They *really* wanted a single user that could provide a dashboard with one authentication, convenient default settings for new subscriptions, and access to information about all subscriptions and the user profile in the dashboard. And that's why Mailman 3 has a model with users (the core concept corresponding to human beings), addresses, and subscriptions (memberships), where most addresses are backed by users. > As you said they [list members] are not [registered users]. I'm pretty sure I didn't say that, but if I did, it's *still false*. Users are the core concept. It's *possible* to have addresses (and maybe subscriptions?) without users, but the normal case is a user which has one or more addresses, which are subscribed to one or more lists. > Regardless of whether they are just a list member or a list member > that is also a registered user, there is NO MECHANISM in place > where you can change their associated display name Ie, you agree. The *issue as originally reported* is that the display name cannot be changed in Mailman's database. > AND their data is not entirely removed when a reasonable assumption > is being made that it has, It's not reasonable for Mailman 3, as Mark and I have explained. > such as list unsubscribing. If a user unsubscribes from a list, that unlinks *one* of the user's addresses from *one* list. Assuming that that has anything to do with existence of user data is unwarranted in Mailman 3, and it was extremely weak in Mailman 2 as well, since unsubscribing fron one list doesn't change the fact that the address may be subscribed to other lists on the same server, likely with the same metadata (really the password was the only important thing, but that confirms the principle). If you want to automatically delete any associated user any time a list is unsubscribed in Affinity, you *can* do that. I don't think it's a good idea, not at all, but you *could*. I deal with the case where the user has exactly *one* subscription below. But that is not the general case. > Sorry but I can't see how this behavior can be justified Then you need to cool down, and think about how this actually could work, not how somebody who makes incorrect assumptions would like it to work. > and also not being made a high priority to fix. Offer me 25,000 yen/hr and I'll do the display name change next week. Priorities differ. > Some may think that retaining data when there is a reasonable > assumption that it is being removed It's not a reasonable assumption in Mailman 3, though, as Mark and I have explained. > is immoral and not just a violation of GDPR. I don't disagree for reasonable assumptions. I'm well-aware of the ethical and legal issues here. We may want to add a facility so that users can delete themselves. But that's a *hard* problem if it's going to be "right to be forgotten" compatible because you can't keep backups -- we need to be sure that the user knows what they're doing (and if they've assumed that the data "should" be removed, we already know they don't know what they're doing!) I don't think we keep Bitcoin wallets in the Mailman metadata (yet ;-), so deleting your user won't bankrupt you. But you will lose all your *other subscriptions* and your default settings, etc. The latter is a PITA until we build up a nice suite of templates (and I don't think we have user templates yet anyway). And once we do add that feature, it probably makes sense to offer to do so (after explaining the consequences) if the user deletes their last subscription. But I just don't see this as a major issue, except maybe for corporate users under GDPR and friends. And I doubt *they* will even blink at my consulting rates. :-) > As I said in my reply to Mark, it is a big deal for list owners > (admins) because they are the ones that are going to be interacting > with Postorius/Affinity the most. Technical question: Why do you include Affinity? As far as I know, Mark is correct, you can both change display names and delete users with mailmanclient, and therefore with the REST API (mailmanclient is just a wrapper around the REST API, it has no superpowers). In Affinity, this behavior is under *your* exclusive control. I also don't agree with your claim about admins interacting most. Yes, they will interact more often, but in my experience most interactions are conducted by ordinary users, not admins. That may not be true for your hosted lists, since they're aimed at a very different population from my software devs and economics professors and university students, but there are large populations of users out here who are perfectly happy to manage their own subscriptions, thank you very much. In any case, there's very little difference between users and admins for this kind of feature, *except* the scope of resources they can view and modify. If Postorius gives the feature to users, it will be trivial to enable it listwide for list admins, and vice versa. But deleting users is an even harder problem with respect to list admins: what if the user is subscribed to a list on a different virtual host that the list admin can't know about and the user may not realize is the same Mailman user? *Probably* it's good enough to refuse to delete the user in that case, but it's not obvious to me that users who make wrong assumptions will see it that way. > Most list members, especially those migrating from MM2, will not be > registering with Postorius/Affinity. I'm not sure what you mean. If you mean "the migration script will register them", OK, but they're still registered and still subject to the user-address-member model. But Postorius is just a UI. Postorius does have its own database, which is often confusing, but the user-address-member model is in core. It's core where the important registrations for subscribers take place. You can have a user-less address in the database, but for the address's owner to do anything with it, such as subscribe to a list or set a list to vacation mode, they have to authenticate (that includes implicit authentication with the OTK used to confirm a new user), and to authenticate they have to have a registered user, not just an address. Most addresses will be associated with users.

5 years, 11 months

Re: Problem with redirection when entering alias without a / at the end

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/19/21 3:12 PM, Jens Günther wrote: > > > -> the first one works and leeds to > https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman3/postorius/lists > -> the second one redirects to > https://mailman.xyz.de/mailman/postorius/lists > -> which does not exist, since Apache-alias is only for mailman3 Sorry, I missed that it was mailman vs mailman3. > > I only use the apache-conf given in the documentation: > > <code> > Alias /mailman3/favicon.ico > /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/postorius/img/favicon.ico > Alias /mailman3/static /var/lib/mailman3/web/static > > <Directory "/var/lib/mailman3/web/static"> > Require all granted > </Directory> > > <IfModule mod_proxy_uwsgi.c> > ProxyPass /mailman3/favicon.ico ! > ProxyPass /mailman3/static ! > ProxyPass /mailman3 > unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost/ > </IfModule> > </code> I don't use uwsgi so I can't advise on its configuration, but do you have USE_X_FORWARDED_HOST = True SECURE_PROXY_SSL_HEADER = ('HTTP_X_FORWARDED_PROTO', 'https') in your Django settings? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 6 months

Error while mass operation, no progress display while mass operation is running

by Markus Grandpré

Dear List, At the University of Konstanz we have mailing list administrators who frequently add and remove up to 10000 (and sometimes more) list members. I have therefore tested the “Mass subscription” and “Mass removal” operations and found that both the “Remove ALL members” operation and the “Mass subscription” operation report an internal server error on the website, but continue to run in the background until all new members have been successfully added or deleted. Unfortunately, I have not found any error message in the log files. I also tested that mass operations “Remove listed users” and “Remove Selected” ran successfully and without any errors. Regardless of whether a mass operation process runs without errors or continues to run despite an error, I find it hard that Postorius does not display the progress of such a mass operation in order to monitor the process, as mass operations with more than 1000 members are very time-consuming. Perhaps this could be changed in a future version of Postorius? Best Markus -- Markus Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

1 year, 7 months

Re: Auto discard after max_days_to_hold not working.

by Hitashi mancho

Thank you so much, Mark and Stephen, for the quick action and response. Waiting for the next release. On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 10:52 AM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > On 4/28/25 10:55, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > > > `mailman import21` will import the setting, but per the above comment, > > it doesn't yet work. The setting exists and is exposed in REST, but it > > appears it is not actually implemented. > > > This is now implemented for the next release. See > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/1215 and > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/merge_requests/1346 for Mailman > core and https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/628 and > https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/1001 for Postorius. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to huhamails(a)gmail.com >

1 year, 4 months

Re: Postorius no connection to REST API

by Richard Rosner

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 8/12/21 12:01 AM, Richard Rosner wrote: > > All the mailman processes should run as list and all mailman related > things should be readable and writable by list. I have set both /usr/bin/uwsgi-core and /usr/share/mailman3-web to be owned by lists, no changes yet. But at least mailman3-web now can actually be started without throwing an error. > > Yes, I meant if you want those URLs to work, you have to pass them to > uwsgi. You don't need all of them. mailman2 and postorius are > synonyms as are archives and hyperkitty > However, you could try using TCP to communicate with uwsgi rather than a > Unix socket. > This means replacing > uwsgi-socket = /run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock > with > uwsgi-socket = 0.0.0.0:8000 > in your uwsgi.ini file and using directives like > ProxyPass "/postorius" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/postorius" > ProxyPass "/hyperkitty" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/hyperkitty" > ProxyPass "/accounts" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/accounts" > ProxyPass "/django" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/django" > ProxyPass "/user-profile" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/user-profile" > ProxyPass "/mailman3" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/mailman3" > ProxyPass "/archives" "http://127.0.0.1:8000/archives" > > > in apache. I tried that switch and got ERR_HTTP2_PROTOCOL_ERROR. From the apache log: [Fri Aug 13 16:08:38.871462 2021] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 27808:tid 140008999584896] AH00489: Apache/2.4.48 (Debian) OpenSSL/1.1.1d mod_wsgi/4.6.5 \ Python/3.7 configured -- resuming normal operations [Fri Aug 13 16:08:38.871603 2021] [core:notice] [pid 27808:tid 140008999584896] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2' [Fri Aug 13 16:08:42.881615 2021] [proxy_http:error] [pid 27809:tid 140008751261440] (20014)Internal error (specific information not available): [c\ lient 134.61.99.193:36563] AH01102: error reading status line from remote server 127.0.0.1:8000 [Fri Aug 13 16:08:44.072665 2021] [proxy_http:error] [pid 27809:tid 140008751261440] (20014)Internal error (specific information not available): [c\ lient 134.61.99.193:36563] AH01102: error reading status line from remote server 127.0.0.1:8000 [Fri Aug 13 16:08:49.277000 2021] [proxy_http:error] [pid 27810:tid 140008709297920] (20014)Internal error (specific information not available): [c\ lient 134.61.99.193:36696] AH01102: error reading status line from remote server 127.0.0.1:8000 I set them all to https. which solved the https error. But I still get Error 500. From apache log: [Fri Aug 13 15:47:58.833305 2021] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 26720:tid 139986206332032] AH00489: Apache/2.4.48 (Debian) OpenSSL/1.1.1d mod_wsgi/4.6.5 \ Python/3.7 configured -- resuming normal operations [Fri Aug 13 15:47:58.833436 2021] [core:notice] [pid 26720:tid 139986206332032] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2' [Fri Aug 13 15:49:41.673108 2021] [ssl:error] [pid 26722:tid 139985899259648] [remote 127.0.0.1:8000] AH01961: SSL Proxy requested for lists.fsmuw.\ rwth-aachen.de:443 but not enabled [Hint: SSLProxyEngine] [Fri Aug 13 15:49:41.905868 2021] [proxy:error] [pid 26722:tid 139985899259648] AH00961: https: failed to enable ssl support for 127.0.0.1:8000 (12\ 7.0.0.1) [Fri Aug 13 15:59:25.049708 2021] [ssl:error] [pid 26722:tid 139985899259648] [remote 127.0.0.1:8000] AH01961: SSL Proxy requested for lists.fsmuw.\ rwth-aachen.de:443 but not enabled [Hint: SSLProxyEngine] [Fri Aug 13 15:59:25.059217 2021] [proxy:error] [pid 26722:tid 139985899259648] AH00961: https: failed to enable ssl support for 127.0.0.1:8000 (12\ 7.0.0.1) From the mailman-web log: uwsgi socket 0 bound to TCP address 0.0.0.0:8000 fd 4 Python version: 3.7.3 (default, Jan 22 2021, 20:04:44) [GCC 8.3.0] Python main interpreter initialized at 0x561db180adf0 python threads support enabled your server socket listen backlog is limited to 100 connections your mercy for graceful operations on workers is 60 seconds mapped 166752 bytes (162 KB) for 2 cores *** Operational MODE: threaded *** WSGI app 0 (mountpoint='') ready in 3 seconds on interpreter 0x561db180adf0 pid: 26851 (default app) *** uWSGI is running in multiple interpreter mode *** spawned uWSGI master process (pid: 26851) spawned uWSGI worker 1 (pid: 26861, cores: 2) [uwsgi-daemons] spawning "python3 manage.py qcluster" (uid: 38 gid: 38) 13:48:04 [Q] INFO Q Cluster-26864 starting. 13:48:04 [Q] INFO Process-1:1 ready for work at 26866 13:48:04 [Q] INFO Process-1:2 ready for work at 26867 13:48:04 [Q] INFO Process-1:3 monitoring at 26868 13:48:04 [Q] INFO Process-1 guarding cluster at 26865 13:48:04 [Q] INFO Q Cluster-26864 running. 13:48:04 [Q] INFO Process-1:4 pushing tasks at 26869 So at least that seems to be fine now > I am not familiar enough with apache/uwsgi configuration to be of more > help. Have you seen https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344 and have you asked > Debian for help with their package. They are the ones who should be > supporting it https://www.debian.org/support. I'll open an error report on mailman3-web. Maybe they have some input to that.

5 years, 1 month

Re: FW: You have been invited to join the ssan@lists.ccalternatives.org mailing list.

by Odhiambo Washington

On Mon, Jun 9, 2025 at 4:37 PM Christian via Mailman-users < mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > Thank you. When I as an admin invite someone to join a list through the web > interface, this is the email the invitee receives. Note that it doesn't > even > have the Description from List Settings > List Identity. What's going on > here? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > > ssan-confirm+40d4507f7198e14bfd6ad89565461f782e099d60(a)lists.ccalternatives.o > rg > > <ssan-confirm+40d4507f7198e14bfd6ad89565461f782e099d60(a)lists.ccalternatives. > org> > Sent: Friday, June 6, 2025 4:48 AM > To: jack(a)safecomputing.org > Subject: You have been invited to join the ssan(a)lists.ccalternatives.org > mailing list. > > Your address "jack(a)safecomputing.org" has been invited to join the ssan > mailing list at lists.ccalternatives.org by the ssan mailing list owner. > You may accept the invitation by simply replying to this message. > > Or you should include the following line -- and only the following line -- > in a message to ssan-request(a)lists.ccalternatives.org: > > confirm 40d4507f7198e14bfd6ad89565461f782e099d60 > > Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from most > mail readers. > > If you want to decline this invitation, please simply disregard this > message. If you have any questions, please send them to > ssan-owner(a)lists.ccalternatives.org. > [snip] Those are the contents of the default template - found in /opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/pythonVERSION/site-packages/mailman/templates/en/list:user:action:invite.txt If you need to customize the contents of what is sent out, you need to create a template for the list. The template is named list:user:action:invite. You can create it either from Postorius or on the filesystem at /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/lists/LISTNAME/en/list:user:action:invite.txt The variables you can use are visible on Postorius when you select the template. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

1 year, 3 months

Re: MM3 not starting afte an upgrade

by Gelpi Andrea

Il 23/07/20 23:05, Mark Sapiro ha scritto: > On 7/23/20 4:35 AM, Gelpi Andrea wrote: >> Hi, >> to day in a Debian system I upgraded some packages. >> >> After the MM3 doesn't start anymore. . . . >> Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: os.kill(pid, 0) >> Jul 23 13:29:39 posta mailman3[2608]: PermissionError: [Errno 1] >> Operation not permitted > > > I think you have a stale lock issue and the master is trying to > determine if the process that set it still exists. > > Remove Mailman's var/locks/master.lck* > Thanks Mark, now MM3 star but postorius is not working. The web pagge return: An error occurred while processing your request. I receive an email with: ... Exception Type: KeyError at /postorius/lists/ Exception Value: 'file' Request information: USER: AnonymousUser GET: No GET data POST: No POST data FILES: No FILES data COOKIES: No cookie data Is that related to Django id setting or there is a passphrase mismach some where? How can I check? -- Gelpi ing. Andrea ************************************************** I documenti vitali dimostreranno la loro vitalitˆ spostandosi spontaneamente da dove li avevate lasciati a dove non riuscirete a trovarli. **************************************************

6 years, 1 month

Re: Assistance Needed for Ubuntu 22.04 Mailman3 Installation and Configuration

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 9:12 AM smiithjohn90--- via Mailman-users < mailman-users(a)mailman3.org> wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I'm trying to install Mailman3 on an Ubuntu 22.04 server right now, and > I've run across a few obstacles that I'd like help with. I've followed the > installation instructions, but I'm having trouble in a couple places, so I > was hoping an experienced someone might help me out. > > This is what I have completed thus far: > > - I used the apt-get package manager to install Mailman3. > Installing Mailman3 using the steps outlined at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html is highly recommended. However.... - PostgreSQL was configured as the database backend. > - Postfix was installed and set up to function as the Mail Transfer Agent > (MTA). > - Assemble Postorius, Hyperkitty, and the Mailman3 core. > > Problems I'm Having: > > Postorius and Hyperkitty Connectivity: I'm having problems making sure > that the Mailman core is correctly connected to Postorius and Hyperkitty. I > get a 502 Bad Gateway error when I try to access the web interfaces. > Despite checking my specifications, I am unable to identify the problem. > Check to see that "mailman-web" is running and listening on the port you have specified in your webserver config. lsof -i -P -n | grep :NNNN > Problems with Email Delivery: I'm also having trouble with email delivery. > Although Mailman appears to be receiving emails, it is not appearing to be > sending any out. I think there might be a Postfix problem, but I'm not sure > how to solve it. > You can check Postfix logs for clues. Generally Suggested Practices: Are there any particular security best > practices I should be aware of when it comes to Mailman3 installations? I > want to confirm that my configuration is both performance- and > security-optimized. > > > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… > https://www.igmguru.com/salesforce/salesforce-developer-training > > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… > > I would be grateful for any advice or resources! It would be really > beneficial if someone with a similar setup could share their settings or > troubleshooting procedures. > Our settings are as documented in this HOWTO: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html We do NOT use Distro packages for Mailman3. Regarding "performance- and security-optimized", I can say that for Nginx/Apache/Postfix, the usual security/optimization rules apply, which I think might be somehow beyond the scope of the MM3 discussion. PS: There are others who use the distro packages to install MM3 and they have previously posted the details in this list. You could search the list archives for that. There is some old documentation that I believe can work for you too: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xIcSsoNFp2nHi7r4eQys00s9a0k2sHhu1V5Plan… It's detailed enough. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

2 years

Re: Splitting hosts: mta&core vs postorius

by Ruth Ivimey-Cook

Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > I don't understand. I'm not in a position to test with Mailman itself > right now, but the standalone gunicorn[1] does the right thing (takes > an IP address and binds to the corresponding interface, or takes a > domain name, resolves it to the IP address, and binds that to the > corresponding interface). It does not substitute localhost. The localhost address is coming in via the hosts file, which is a relatively standard practice IMO. I could change it, but then perhaps other things would not work. I would prefer to be able to specify what I need. There are also things like systemd-resolvd which will do the localhost-substitution for you even if /etc/hosts doesn't. I did try with the gunicorn patch Mark mentioned (host = "0.0.0.0") and changing the cfg file hostname back to the full name of the host, and that now works!! -- in that the problem I showed earlier is gone. However I then get another issue. From the mailman.log file I now see in the last few lines. For clarity I've numbered them like this "{1}": {1} [22/Jun/2020:00:58:24 +0000] "GET /3.1/domains HTTP/1.1" 200 320 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" {2} [22/Jun/2020:00:58:24 +0000] "GET /3.1/domains/ch-bc.org.uk HTTP/1.1" 200 215 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" {3} [22/Jun/2020:00:58:24 +0000] "GET /3.1/domains/greyarea-web1.cam.ivimey.org/lists?advertised=true&count=0&page=1 HTTP/1.1" 404 26 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" At this point the browser screen reports "Something went wrong" and the message "HTTP Error 404: {"title": "404 Not Found"}" Previously, the process stopped at line {1}. Now that and line {2} is executed (AFAIK) correctly, but then line {3} is isssued. I have no idea why something is looking for "domains/greyarea-web1": - Only the "ch-bc.org.uk" domain is listed in the reply to line {1}, as expected; - "greyarea-web1" doesn't appear in any lists I can show with the "mailman" cli command (and I think I tried them all); - "greyarea-web1" doesn't appear anywhere in the source or config other than as the name of the host its running on or as an ALLOWED_HOST; - I tried using "curl -X DELETE" (from the api docs) to delete a domain called that and it says no such list exists. My only possible clue is that I think, at some point in the journey of configuring mailman, I might have created a list called that on the host. However since then I have wiped the install files and reinstalled. I cannot make sense of this being the answer given the checks just listed. I went looking through the python source and can see that the get() function does indeed throw a 404 exception if the domain isn't found, but I cannot see which code is parsing the reply from the first line So I have two questions: 1) How can I fix this problem? 2) why does getting an 404 reply here cause the postorius web page to produce a "something went wrong" /404 and nothing else, when it could have simply reported that something had gone wrong with one specific domain; > I'd rather not enable the complexity of a multihomed application > unless there's an important use case. (I don't make the final > decision, but I am listened to by Those Who Do.) You wonder about multihome hosts, but should a host have more than one interface (as several of my VMs and physical hosts do), being able to specify which of the possible addresses to listen on could be very useful in the case that "all of them" is the wrong answer. There is no complexity for the developers beyond what is already supported and working. The only point I can see wrong here is the mailman3-core is using one hostname value for two distinct purposes, and IMO it shouldn't. Ideally, and this is icing on the cake, a listen address specification should allow multiple IPs to be passed in, in which case the server listens on all of them. I expect the python libraries already support this. Thanks to all for the help so far, Ruth

6 years, 3 months

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