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Re: Moderate mails from owner

by Malcolm Austen

On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 16:58:45 -0000, Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> wrote: > On Thu, Mar 21, 2019, at 8:47 AM, Malcolm Austen wrote: >> On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 18:42:10 -0000, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> >> wrote: >> >> > However, this is apparently not relevant because both the Member and >> > Non-Member actions are Hold. Thus, the post should be held unless it >> has >> > an Approved: header with the list's moderator_password attribute if >> > there is one, or it matches a Header filter rule with an accept >> action. >> >> At the risk of getting this really wrong - I have only limited MM3 >> knowledge - I will ask what is, I fancy, a closely related question ... >> >> My only experience of MM3 is with Ancestry's 'RootsWeb' installation. >> From >> the emails I can see a header "X-Mailman-Version: 3.1.0" but I can't >> find >> anything to identify Postorius which is the only interface I have to the >> system. >> >> From symptoms seen and described by others, I have deduced that the >> Postorius admin-per-user moderation options of "Default processing" and >> "List default" mean that a user may be set (by default on the rootsweb >> system!) to use the system default moderation settings rather than the >> list default settings. > > "Default Processing" means the default pipeline defined in Thanks, I will do some (more!) reading. > List > Settings > Alter Messages > 'Pipeline' ( in the bottom). This > pipeline is > system wide and is defined in source code, so it can't be customized by > site administrator. Unfortunately, that is not available to list-owners on the system concerned. Ancestry must have removed it. Malcolm. -- Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen(a)weald.org.uk>

6 years, 11 months

Re: Reset bounce count in MM3

by Mark Sapiro

On 3/8/26 20:57, iMark wrote: > =========== > > My thinking was that to reset that member's bounce_count from 4 to 0, I > could just delete the records (resulting from the query) in the > "bounceevent". > > But as the query result only shows 2 bounces, I'm looking for where the > Admin web UI is getting "4" from (ie. the processed bounce events older > than 24 hours). The list member's bounce score is the bounce_score column in the member table, but finding the correct row is dificult because you need the list_id which you'd look up in the mailinglist table and either the address_id from the address table or the user_id from the user table. It's much easier to use mailman shell as in ``` $ mailman shell -l list(a)example.com Welcome to the GNU Mailman shell Use commit() to commit changes. Use abort() to discard changes since the last commit. Exit with ctrl+D does an implicit commit() but exit() does not. The variable 'm' is the list(a)example.com mailing list >>> mbr = m.members.get_member('user(a)example.com') >>> mbr.bounce_score = 0 >>> commit() ``` But what is the point of doing this? If the member is bouncing, the score will continue to increment, and if not the bounces will become stale and a future bounce will set the score to 1. You mentioned reset_bounce.py, but that doesn't reset scores. It sets delivery enabled for users whose delivery is disabled by bounce, but you can do that, albiet one by one, in Postorius just by clicking the user in the membership list and setting Delivery Status to Enabled. In Postorius <=1.3.13, Delivery Status doesn't show in the membership list, but it will in the next release. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

1 week, 2 days

Re: Templates

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/17/20 1:23 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 at 06:09, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> >> How did you create this footer?. If you created it by creating a file in >> Mailman's var/templates directiory, can Mailman read it? >> >> > I went into Postorius and selected the list. It's the only one. > Selected Templates -> New Template. And previously > requests.exceptions.HTTPError: 404 Client Error: Not Found for url: > http://localhost:8000/mm3/mailman3/api/templates/list/kictanet-2.lists.kict… ... > Message: 'Cannot retrieve template at > http://localhost:8000/mm3/mailman3/api/templates/list/kictanet-2.lists.kict… > (<no authorization>)' This is Mailman core trying to get the template from Postorius. What happens if you try to get that URL in a browser? What if you try your domain instead of localhost:8000? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 4 months

Re: list footer web customization procedure

by Mark Sapiro

On 11/30/21 1:11 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > Does Django empty out the "spacetebasket" if it's all white space, or > does spurious whitespace in that box lead to an (apparently) empty > footer being added? Postorius used to remove leading and trailing whitespace from the template, but not since https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/issues/301 was fixed. > Anway, I recommend to the OP that they make sure there's no whitespace > in the Data box. A good recommendation. While a header or footer template with some whitespace might not be noticeable when added to a text/plain message, it will cause extra mime parts to be added to more complex messages. Also, if the goal in setting an empty footer is to avoid breaking a DKIM signature, even adding a bit of whitespace to a text/plain message is an issue. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

4 years, 3 months

Mailman 3 Web Application Startup Time or Availability - 502 Bad Gateway and Postorius

by summersan＠nclack.k12.or.us

Hello, I've been setting up a new Mailman 3 installation earlier this year, and I think things have been going okay so far. I've noticed, however, that after a long amount of time passes (for example, a weekend), when I try to visit the local Mailman 3 web application (e.g., example.mailman.site/mailman3/lists/, where it says "Postorius" at the top left corner of the page and shows a list of mailing lists in the body of the page), I sometimes get a 502 Bad Gateway type of error (referenced from my notes). As far as I can tell, this looks like a normal web server (nginx?) error. If I try visiting the Mailman 3 server location again in a web browser shortly thereafter, I still might get a 502 Bad Gateway error. If I wait a while longer (maybe a minute or more?), the Mailman 3 web application appears to load as expected. I've tried looking at the gunicorn documentation (https://docs.gunicorn.org/en/stable/index.html) and searching online (including in this Mailman3 mailing list) to see if there's something that can be done to fix this issue. The closest thing I can find for now is advice for something that, while possibly being technologically unrelated, includes the idea of "warmup requests", which makes me think of simply setting up some sort of script to periodically load a page on the Mailman 3 web application in order to keep it more available for visitors (https://stackoverflow.com/a/57056170) Is there a setting or something in any of the Mailman 3 related programs that could help with keeping the Mailman 3 web application up and running more often without having to resort to making an ongoing, automated request to the Mailman 3 web application? Thank you. * Note: "Mailman 3" terminology is referenced from this page: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/

4 years, 10 months

Re: Error -- postorius Un-handled exception

by Mark

> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 8:17 AM Mark <imark(a)posteo.net> wrote: >> 3. For the user "mailman" to access the databases I needed to change >> the >> owner to mailman (even though all privileges has been granted) ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On 2024-01-27 18:51, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > The issue you're dealing with in that case is this change in > PostgreSQL-15 > discussed in this blog: > https://www.cybertec-postgresql.com/en/error-permission-denied-schema-publi… > > I have never needed to do `psql -d mailman -U mailman -W`. > I used the steps documented above to enable mailman user to write to > the > database. > > postgres=# \c mailmanweb postgres > You are now connected to database "mailmanweb" as user "postgres". > mailmanweb=# GRANT ALL ON SCHEMA public TO mailman; > GRANT > mailmanweb=# \c mailman postgres > You are now connected to database "mailman" as user "postgres". > mailmanweb=# GRANT ALL ON SCHEMA public TO mailman; > GRANT > > TBH, I am not sure which method is the best although I think this > option is > :) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the heads up on that blog Odhiambo. Agreed. it is a better way of doing it. --- SNIP --- In PostgreSQL 14 and in prior versions, by default anybody can create a table. The new table will simply end up in the PUBLIC schema. The problem with this approach is that the public schema can quickly turn into a trash can containing all kinds of used and unused tables – which is neither desirable nor recommended. An even bigger problem is security: almost any privilege escalation attack on a PostgreSQL database requires the attacker to create malicious objects. ... The public schema is the perfect vector for such a privilege escalation attack. Therefore PostgreSQL has made a major leap forward and changed this behavior. In version 15, only the database owner can create objects in the public schema. ---

2 years, 1 month

Re: Template path

by Seth Seeger

> On Sep 17, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > >> I followed previous emails on this list which told me to set POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL in /opt/mailman/web/settings_local.py, but that doesn’t seem to make any difference. (I set it to a different value and the error message didn’t change. I also tried setting it in /opt/mailman/core/settings_local.py to no effect. After each change, I restarted mailman-web and mailman-core containers.) > > > How did you create the template? In Postorius or by manually creating a > file somewhere? If by creating a file, POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL is > not relevant, but ensure that the file is findable and readable by Mailman. I created the template in Postorius. >> From within mailman-web and mailman-core containers, I can reach “mailman-web:8000”. >> >> In the webpage, I see: Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core. > > > The REST APT is normally exposed on port 8001, not 8000 (See `port` in > `mailman conf -s webservice`. Yes, it’s 8001: [webservice] hostname: 172.19.199.2 [webservice] port: 8001 > What is your setting for MAILMAN_REST_API_URL? does the port match? I’m not overriding it: ./postorius/mailman-web/settings.py:MAILMAN_REST_API_URL = os.environ.get('MAILMAN_REST_URL', 'http://mailman-core:8001') > >> In /opt/mailman/core/var/logs/mailman.log, I get: >> >> [17/Sep/2020:16:23:29 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/xxx.example.com HTTP/1.1" 200 416 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.1" > > It appears you are connecting to the REST API, but ... > ... >> urllib3.exceptions.ReadTimeoutError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='mailman-web', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) > > > Something appears to be trying to connect to REST on port 8000 Is this a red herring? Is something else wrong? Setting POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL in settings_local.py doesn’t seem to make any difference. Having set the POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL, I deleted the template and recreated it. Now, when I approve a pending subscription it goes through, but the welcome email is blank. Seth

5 years, 6 months

Re: Mailman, etc. upgrade woes and persistent bugs

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Brian Carpenter writes: > I think treating all disabled options the same is short-sighted. They > are all not the same. > > -- Some list members will disable their subscription for good reasons > and will be really upset if a List Owner renables it through ignorance. > So it is important to know a disable member is done by the member > itself. This is true in principle, but (1) I don't think that the user cares; if they're looking at it, they know whether they want enabled or disabled, how it got that way doesn't matter to them, and (2) I can't see why an admin would disable delivery except on request from a user, so I can't see why an admin would reenable except on request from a user. The only case I can see would be a mass reenabling, but that's not going to happen in the future (I hope). > -- Some mailing lists will have multiple list owners managing them. So > it is important for one List Owner to know when a subscription has been > disabled by the actions of another List Owner. I don't see why, see above. > -- A List Owner may not know that some of his List Members are bouncing > messages for various reasons, so reviewing their Membership roster, they > see that they have some list members disabled due to bounces and can > then address those particular problematic members. This query is an important use case. But it's the only one, I think, unless you really have List Owners arbitrarily disabling members' subscriptions. And if you're thinking about reenabling from that page, I think you need a lot more information. For example, if the admin disabled, you need to know if that was a user request or something else (what?). If bounce disabled, you want to know what the bounce was ("no such mailbox"? probably not a good candidate for reenabling), and when (5 minutes ago? ditto). I guess you could just reenable and see what happens, but that could be risky (eg, sending mail to non-existent users is frowned upon by some providers). > @Abhilash, I highly recommend that you contact me off list about getting > access to Affinity so you can see what I am talking about. I would love > to show you what I have done for Member Management. I offered the same > to Steve but he never was interested in taking a look. It's not that I lack interest, it's that life got in the way. Unfortunately, until I get enough time (man-weeks, I've never worked on Postorius and very little in Django) to work on Postorius, or somebody else starts to do it, a look at Affinity is low priority. Also, it's pretty clear that a quick look isn't going to be very helpful. The Mailman developers know what Mailman 2 looks like. I think the benefits to a hands-on admin are pretty obvious vs the current Postorius, as are Web 2.0 improvments like sorting on the options. The more subtle improvements you've made are going to require a guided tour and/or some study to identify and understand. Aside: I have to assume that Postorius is aimed at the kind of subscriber that most of us are, and that list administration was something of an afterthought, and assumed to be mostly hands-off. That's the only rationale I can come up with for the design where list admins need to go to the individual pages to see user options -- it was easier to reuse the user option page and just give the admin permission to access and change it, than to provide a (sortable) list with user details. Steve

5 years, 1 month

Re: Footer from templates not working - DB issue?

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/25/22 05:26, mailman--- via Mailman-users wrote: > Dear All, > I have a similar issue. Also on Debian 11. Also installed as Debian PKG. It's version GNU Mailman 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer) > I am using sqlite3. When I do the SQL-query I get an URI which is in multiple reasons wrong > http://localhost/mailman3/postorius/api/templates/list/....../list:member:r… The initial part of that URL is set from the Django setting `POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL`. If that is set to `http://localhost/mailman3/`, it should probably be just `http://localhost/`. > OK - the hostname could be changed but the path is not existing at all. > There is no file "list:member:regular:footer" on the complete filesystem. It's not a file. It refers to an entry in the postorius_emailtemplate table in the database which is retrieved via the Postorius API. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

3 years, 5 months

Re: Error -- postorius Un-handled exception

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 8:17 AM Mark <imark(a)posteo.net> wrote: > > ----------------------- > > > > > > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", > > > line 160, in call > > > raise HTTPError(params.get('url'), response.status_code, > > > urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 500: {"title": "500 Internal > > Server > > > Error"} > > > ERROR 2024-01-24 05:41:46,333 51799 django.request Internal Server > > > Error: /postorius/lists/testing.example.com/ > > --------------------------- > > > Try running all the system initializations with "mailman info" and > > "mailman conf". This often will elicit errors if the system is messed > > up. More likely to get this error would be "mailman withlist $LIST" > > (maybe you need an '-l' option to specify the list, I forget). If > > that doesn't elicit the error, then check that Mailman's runners are > > running with ps. Since it's Debian, I guess they should be running as > > the 'list' user. Are Mailman's files and directories owned by 'list' > > or sometimes 'www-data' for log files? > > Debian yes, but venv/pip installation so running as "mailman". > > > > > The log is saying that when Postorius tried to look up that list, it > > tried to call out to Mailman core via HTTP to the API to get the > > information and that access failed with HTTP status 500. I think the > > actual error is likely to be reported in mailman.log (or it might be > > in error.log, "grep '05:41:46' *.log" in Mailman's log directory will > > probably find it). I'm pretty sure there will be relevant log > > entries, probably a matching traceback. > > ---------------------------- > > Hi, > > Thank you Steve, Mark, Odhiambo for your responses. > > After working my way through your suggestions with no joy I discovered > to my embarrassment that I hadn't created the "mailman-hyperkitty.cfg" > file. Once created all was well. > > This was of course after I had begun the installation process again from > scratch. My apologies for the waste of bandwidth and your time. > > Regarding my installation, (following the docs at > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html) I found a > couple of issues that others might also stumble over: > > 1. Installing Xapian needed clang. It didn't like gcc > 2. Being a fresh Debian 12 OS, I needed to also install make, > build-essential > 3. For the user "mailman" to access the databases I needed to change the > owner to mailman (even though all privileges has been granted) ... postgres=# create database mailman; > CREATE DATABASE > postgres=# create database mailmanweb; > CREATE DATABASE > postgres=# create user mailman with encrypted password '<PASSWORD>'; > CREATE ROLE > postgres=# grant all privileges on database mailman to mailman; > GRANT > postgres=# grant all privileges on database mailmanweb to mailman; > GRANT > > psql -d mailman -U mailman -W > $ psql -d mailman -U mailman -W > Password: > > psql: error: connection to server on socket > "/var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432" failed: FATAL: Peer authentication > failed for user "mailman" > > sudo -u postgres psql > ALTER DATABASE mailman OWNER TO mailman; > \q > > $ psql -h localhost -d mailman -U mailman -W > Password: > > psql (15.5 (Debian 15.5-0+deb12u1)) > SSL connection (protocol: TLSv1.3, cipher: TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384, > compression: off) > Type "help" for help. > > ... and same for mailmanweb > > So far, so good. > > Thanks and apologies once again, > Mark > The issue you're dealing with in that case is this change in PostgreSQL-15 discussed in this blog: https://www.cybertec-postgresql.com/en/error-permission-denied-schema-publi… I have never needed to do `psql -d mailman -U mailman -W`. I used the steps documented above to enable mailman user to write to the database. postgres=# \c mailmanweb postgres You are now connected to database "mailmanweb" as user "postgres". mailmanweb=# GRANT ALL ON SCHEMA public TO mailman; GRANT mailmanweb=# \c mailman postgres You are now connected to database "mailman" as user "postgres". mailmanweb=# GRANT ALL ON SCHEMA public TO mailman; GRANT TBH, I am not sure which method is the best although I think this option is :) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

2 years, 1 month

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