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Re: Footer from templates not working - DB issue?

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/25/22 05:26, mailman--- via Mailman-users wrote: > Dear All, > I have a similar issue. Also on Debian 11. Also installed as Debian PKG. It's version GNU Mailman 3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer) > I am using sqlite3. When I do the SQL-query I get an URI which is in multiple reasons wrong > http://localhost/mailman3/postorius/api/templates/list/....../list:member:r… The initial part of that URL is set from the Django setting `POSTORIUS_TEMPLATE_BASE_URL`. If that is set to `http://localhost/mailman3/`, it should probably be just `http://localhost/`. > OK - the hostname could be changed but the path is not existing at all. > There is no file "list:member:regular:footer" on the complete filesystem. It's not a file. It refers to an entry in the postorius_emailtemplate table in the database which is retrieved via the Postorius API. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

2 years, 2 months

Re: Mailman, etc. upgrade woes and persistent bugs

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Brian Carpenter writes: > I think treating all disabled options the same is short-sighted. They > are all not the same. > > -- Some list members will disable their subscription for good reasons > and will be really upset if a List Owner renables it through ignorance. > So it is important to know a disable member is done by the member > itself. This is true in principle, but (1) I don't think that the user cares; if they're looking at it, they know whether they want enabled or disabled, how it got that way doesn't matter to them, and (2) I can't see why an admin would disable delivery except on request from a user, so I can't see why an admin would reenable except on request from a user. The only case I can see would be a mass reenabling, but that's not going to happen in the future (I hope). > -- Some mailing lists will have multiple list owners managing them. So > it is important for one List Owner to know when a subscription has been > disabled by the actions of another List Owner. I don't see why, see above. > -- A List Owner may not know that some of his List Members are bouncing > messages for various reasons, so reviewing their Membership roster, they > see that they have some list members disabled due to bounces and can > then address those particular problematic members. This query is an important use case. But it's the only one, I think, unless you really have List Owners arbitrarily disabling members' subscriptions. And if you're thinking about reenabling from that page, I think you need a lot more information. For example, if the admin disabled, you need to know if that was a user request or something else (what?). If bounce disabled, you want to know what the bounce was ("no such mailbox"? probably not a good candidate for reenabling), and when (5 minutes ago? ditto). I guess you could just reenable and see what happens, but that could be risky (eg, sending mail to non-existent users is frowned upon by some providers). > @Abhilash, I highly recommend that you contact me off list about getting > access to Affinity so you can see what I am talking about. I would love > to show you what I have done for Member Management. I offered the same > to Steve but he never was interested in taking a look. It's not that I lack interest, it's that life got in the way. Unfortunately, until I get enough time (man-weeks, I've never worked on Postorius and very little in Django) to work on Postorius, or somebody else starts to do it, a look at Affinity is low priority. Also, it's pretty clear that a quick look isn't going to be very helpful. The Mailman developers know what Mailman 2 looks like. I think the benefits to a hands-on admin are pretty obvious vs the current Postorius, as are Web 2.0 improvments like sorting on the options. The more subtle improvements you've made are going to require a guided tour and/or some study to identify and understand. Aside: I have to assume that Postorius is aimed at the kind of subscriber that most of us are, and that list administration was something of an afterthought, and assumed to be mostly hands-off. That's the only rationale I can come up with for the design where list admins need to go to the individual pages to see user options -- it was easier to reuse the user option page and just give the admin permission to access and change it, than to provide a (sortable) list with user details. Steve

3 years, 9 months

Re: Error -- postorius Un-handled exception

by Odhiambo Washington

On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 8:17 AM Mark <imark(a)posteo.net> wrote: > > ----------------------- > > > > > > "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", > > > line 160, in call > > > raise HTTPError(params.get('url'), response.status_code, > > > urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 500: {"title": "500 Internal > > Server > > > Error"} > > > ERROR 2024-01-24 05:41:46,333 51799 django.request Internal Server > > > Error: /postorius/lists/testing.example.com/ > > --------------------------- > > > Try running all the system initializations with "mailman info" and > > "mailman conf". This often will elicit errors if the system is messed > > up. More likely to get this error would be "mailman withlist $LIST" > > (maybe you need an '-l' option to specify the list, I forget). If > > that doesn't elicit the error, then check that Mailman's runners are > > running with ps. Since it's Debian, I guess they should be running as > > the 'list' user. Are Mailman's files and directories owned by 'list' > > or sometimes 'www-data' for log files? > > Debian yes, but venv/pip installation so running as "mailman". > > > > > The log is saying that when Postorius tried to look up that list, it > > tried to call out to Mailman core via HTTP to the API to get the > > information and that access failed with HTTP status 500. I think the > > actual error is likely to be reported in mailman.log (or it might be > > in error.log, "grep '05:41:46' *.log" in Mailman's log directory will > > probably find it). I'm pretty sure there will be relevant log > > entries, probably a matching traceback. > > ---------------------------- > > Hi, > > Thank you Steve, Mark, Odhiambo for your responses. > > After working my way through your suggestions with no joy I discovered > to my embarrassment that I hadn't created the "mailman-hyperkitty.cfg" > file. Once created all was well. > > This was of course after I had begun the installation process again from > scratch. My apologies for the waste of bandwidth and your time. > > Regarding my installation, (following the docs at > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html) I found a > couple of issues that others might also stumble over: > > 1. Installing Xapian needed clang. It didn't like gcc > 2. Being a fresh Debian 12 OS, I needed to also install make, > build-essential > 3. For the user "mailman" to access the databases I needed to change the > owner to mailman (even though all privileges has been granted) ... postgres=# create database mailman; > CREATE DATABASE > postgres=# create database mailmanweb; > CREATE DATABASE > postgres=# create user mailman with encrypted password '<PASSWORD>'; > CREATE ROLE > postgres=# grant all privileges on database mailman to mailman; > GRANT > postgres=# grant all privileges on database mailmanweb to mailman; > GRANT > > psql -d mailman -U mailman -W > $ psql -d mailman -U mailman -W > Password: > > psql: error: connection to server on socket > "/var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432" failed: FATAL: Peer authentication > failed for user "mailman" > > sudo -u postgres psql > ALTER DATABASE mailman OWNER TO mailman; > \q > > $ psql -h localhost -d mailman -U mailman -W > Password: > > psql (15.5 (Debian 15.5-0+deb12u1)) > SSL connection (protocol: TLSv1.3, cipher: TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384, > compression: off) > Type "help" for help. > > ... and same for mailmanweb > > So far, so good. > > Thanks and apologies once again, > Mark > The issue you're dealing with in that case is this change in PostgreSQL-15 discussed in this blog: https://www.cybertec-postgresql.com/en/error-permission-denied-schema-publi… I have never needed to do `psql -d mailman -U mailman -W`. I used the steps documented above to enable mailman user to write to the database. postgres=# \c mailmanweb postgres You are now connected to database "mailmanweb" as user "postgres". mailmanweb=# GRANT ALL ON SCHEMA public TO mailman; GRANT mailmanweb=# \c mailman postgres You are now connected to database "mailman" as user "postgres". mailmanweb=# GRANT ALL ON SCHEMA public TO mailman; GRANT TBH, I am not sure which method is the best although I think this option is :) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

10 months

Re: Held messages: Long time waiating for response of the Mailman API

by Stephan Krinetzki

Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 1/24/22 15:06, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > On 1/18/22 06:24, Stephan Krinetzki wrote: > > Hello, > > We are using Mailman 3.3.5 with Hyperkitty 1.3.5. Mailman 3 is > > installed in a venv and deployed using Apache and uwsgi. This works > > quite well so far, only withheld messages cause us a problem: If we > > try to approve them via Postorius, the message is delivered to the > > list immediately, but the success message in Postorius takes a long > > time - on average the process hangs for three minutes until the > > message is no longer displayed. We have already adjusted the timeout > > in gunicorn.cfg, but this does not improve the situation. Are there > > any tips on how we can speed up the REST API? Or is it even a > > configuration error? > > There are two steps in handling the POST for a held message. The first > > step is accepting, rejecting or discarding the message. This is > > happening immediately. > > The second step is handling the poster's moderation action based on the > > choice from the Set member moderation dropdown in the view of the held > > message. This is processed by the code at > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/blob/master/src/postorius/views/list…. > > If no selection has been made, the default value POSTed for > > moderation_choice is no-action and that code is skipped. If it is one > > of the choices Hold for moderation, Reject (with notification), > > Discard (no notification), Accept immediately (bypass other rules) > > or Default processing that is processed. So presumably a selection has > > been made and processing is stuck on getting the member or setting the > > member's moderation action. > > Possibly the logs of your database manager will have information. > > Some additional info. > By gunicorn.cfg, do you mean the file at mailman/config/gunicorn.cfg? If > you are using gunicorn as a wsgi server, that is separate from the > gunicorn serving the REST API and its config doesn't affect the REST > API. The relevant config is mailman/config/gunicorn.cfg?. > Also, I doubt the issue is with the REST API per se, but rather it is in > Mailman core's processing of the particular endpoint and if that is > slow, it is most likely some kind of database issue. Hi Mark, yes, we are using a local copy of the gunicorn.cfg. It is in the home directory of our mailman3 instance (like the mailman.cfg, same directory). We will now look into the postgresql database - maybe there is an index missing or something like that. Thank you for help.

2 years, 10 months

Re: Listing/Exporting member list error: Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core.

by Daniel Armengod

Can confirm the problem is reproducible on mailman 3.3.0 installed via PIP. Postorius hangs on exporting CSV subscribers [1] (~6k in this case), with error "Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core" (which is otherwise running fine). mailman3.log also shows WORKER TIMEOUT log entry, exactly the same as OP's message. > You can add a new |gunicorn.cfg| next to your |mailman.cfg| and add > the additional options. For further reference if anyone reads this thread, see [2]. I had to look that up to figure out where the file name "gunicorn.cfg" came from. It's not immediately obvious to the reader why a file named "guincorn.cfg" should be specially interpreted by mailman3. The suggested fix - increasing timeout of worker process - did work perfectly for me. Thanks :) Regards, Daniel [1] http://www.<redacted>.org/postorius/lists/<redacted>/csv_view/ [2] https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/runners/docs/rest.html…

4 years, 9 months

Re: How to store additional information about lists?

by Stephen J. Turnbull

Andreas Barth writes: > Not sure if this is the right approach, or if it wouldn't be more > appropriate to "just" replace the dependency on allauth in postorius, > and do all the magic in the frontend only (because that's where people > actually subscribe). If it's purely a matter of managing subscriptions by individual users, that's the path of least resistance, I think. I would not be surprised if there are things you don't actually need, but you'd need to implement so that Postorius doesn't blow up if some IMember feature you haven't implemented gets accessed. If in the future you might have an external personnel database with other stuff in it, and you want Mailman automatically synced to that, then IMember now might make sense to avoid technical debt in the future. But I don't know enough about IMember or your use case at the moment to make a useful recommendation. Steve

3 years, 5 months

Re: Template's encoding setup

by Mark Sapiro

On 9/15/19 3:33 AM, Ugnius S wrote: > > This noticed only on HTML text messages. If message comes in HTML the > header does not add extra <enter> new line, new paragraph > and footer as well. For example if message body has no additional, list's > decorated message looks next: > > TEST HEADER > _____________________Hello, > > text text text, pictures, text > > regards > Ugnius____________________ > TEST FOOTER > > I have tried to add more empty lines in "The footer for a regular > (non-digest) message.", but mailman removes these empty lines. > Work around is put dot "." and then several empty lines. The stripping of leading whitespace from templates created in Postorius is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/issues/301> to be fixed by <https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/merge_requests/434> > Mark, I have found Your post about HTML headers and footers: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… > YES, that works good, I have tested it, but only in cases if message comes > in HTML. If sender sends plain text message, > mailman adds footer with all HTML code: > > <BR>__________________<BR> > <B> LIST NAME </B> > > Could it be possible that decorate.py would recognise message and if it > has HTML text body, then just would add header/footer and if not (if > message body is plain text) , then would strip header/footer "html to plain > text" may removing html code from it? As it says in the post you reference: message and digest footers and headers are always added either to a MIME text/plain message body or as separate MIME text/plain parts. HTML tags will just be displayed as plain text and will not be rendered as HTML. Also see <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030707>. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

5 years, 2 months

Re: Moderate mails from owner

by Abhilash Raj

On Thu, Mar 21, 2019, at 8:47 AM, Malcolm Austen wrote: > On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 18:42:10 -0000, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > However, this is apparently not relevant because both the Member and > > Non-Member actions are Hold. Thus, the post should be held unless it has > > an Approved: header with the list's moderator_password attribute if > > there is one, or it matches a Header filter rule with an accept action. > > At the risk of getting this really wrong - I have only limited MM3 > knowledge - I will ask what is, I fancy, a closely related question ... > > My only experience of MM3 is with Ancestry's 'RootsWeb' installation. From > the emails I can see a header "X-Mailman-Version: 3.1.0" but I can't find > anything to identify Postorius which is the only interface I have to the > system. > > From symptoms seen and described by others, I have deduced that the > Postorius admin-per-user moderation options of "Default processing" and > "List default" mean that a user may be set (by default on the rootsweb > system!) to use the system default moderation settings rather than the > list default settings. "Default Processing" means the default pipeline defined in List > Settings > Alter Messages > 'Pipeline' ( in the bottom). This pipeline is system wide and is defined in source code, so it can't be customized by site administrator. > > Are my deductions correct? And if so, could this be the explanation of the > issue detailed in this thread? > > Apologies if I'm barking up entirely the wrong tree, Malcolm. > > -- > Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen(a)weald.org.uk> > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

5 years, 8 months

Re: Chinese characters in list name shows question mark (?)

by Franklin Weng

Franklin Weng 於 2019/10/24 上午8:05 寫道: > Hi Mark, > > Thanks for your reply. > > Mark Sapiro 於 2019/10/24 上午6:10 寫道: >>> Is there any other setting I should look at? >> The list's preferred_language setting (Postorius -> Settings -> List >> Identity -> Preferred Language. The list welcome message is encoded in >> Mailman's character set for the list's preferred_language. If this is >> English (USA), the character set is us-ascii. If it is set to Chinese >> (Taiwan), the character set is utf-8, and it should work. > However in my settings -> List Identity page I didn't see Preferred > Language option. > > https://nextcloud.slat.org/index.php/s/45tGaE7ALgAFQFK > > What may be possible wrong that I couldn't see Preferred Language > settings in the web interface? I got it. It is implemented in postorius 1.2.5 but my Debian buster contains 1.2.4-1 for now. Franklin

5 years, 1 month

Re: Changelog and/or Release Notes

by Brian Carpenter

On 11/28/19 1:12 PM, Abhilash Raj wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 28, 2019, at 10:08 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote: >> Now that I am using Mailman 3.3, where can I find the release notes >> and/or changelog for core, postorius and hyperkitty under Mailman 3.3? > Each individual projects maintain their own change logs: > > https://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/news.html#id1 > https://postorius.readthedocs.io/en/latest/news.html#id1 > https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.html#tom-saw… > > >> Thanks! >> Brian >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org >> https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ >> Thanks Abhilash and for all of your hard work maintaining those docker containers! -- Please let me know if you need further assistance. Thank you for your business. We appreciate our clients. Brian Carpenter EMWD.com -- EMWD's Knowledgebase: https://clientarea.emwd.com/index.php/knowledgebase EMWD's Community Forums http://discourse.emwd.com/

4 years, 11 months

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