Mark:

These all reference the virtual environment setup, which is fine if I need to go with that. I’ve already installed the components etc. As a “standard installation. Do you know of a good doc that would help me set up in a non-container environment – just the native OS – Ubuntu 20.04 LTS. If I need to go with a virtual environment, do I need to uninstall what I have out there and what’s the best way to get all the added bits out?

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From: George R. Kasica <gkasica@netwrx1.com> Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2022 10:32 To: mailman-users@mailman3.org; Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> Subject: Re: [MM3-users] Re: Mailman3 Setup

Thank you! Will take a look.

— ===[George Kasica]=== 🇺🇦 On Jun 5, 2022, 10:29 -0500, Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net<mailto:mark@msapiro.net>>, wrote:

On 6/5/22 06:26, George R. Kasica wrote:

Hello:

I'm in the process of setting up Mailman3 on Ubuntu 20.04. I have the following Environment, and please ask if I left something needed out: Postfix Apache2 MySQL Mailman3 (all 3 bits mailman3, mailman3-web, python-mailman-hyperkitty) The install SEEMS to have worked, but I'm looking for a guide for setup now. I used to run 2.1 about 18 months ago, but the server failed, and I never reinstalled it. I figured now, with a newish Ubuntu 20.04LTS Server, I'd go the mailman3 route...I've seen MANY posts of issues getting MM3 working with 20.04. Should I go back to 2.1, or what is the best way to get mailman-3 configured?

You should definitely go with Mailman 3.

The docs are at https://docs.list.org/ (redirects to https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/). I suggest you start by looking at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html

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On 6/11/22 06:02, George R. Kasica wrote:

Mark:

These all reference the virtual environment setup, which is fine if I need to go with that. I’ve already installed the components etc. As a “standard installation. Do you know of a good doc that would help me set up in a non-container environment – just the native OS – Ubuntu 20.04 LTS.

I virtualenv is not a "container", at least in the sense of a Docker container. It is just a way of isolating an environment from various OS things and vice versa.

You do not need to install in a virtualenv. You can follow the procedure for installing in a virtualenv and just omit the bits about creating and activating the virtualenv

However, if you do not install in a virtualenv, you are vulnerable to OS package updates breaking things. For example, installation of Mailman core installs SQLAlchemy <1.4 because Mailman core is not currently compatible with SQLAlchemy >=1.4. If an OS package upgrade installs SQLAlchemy >=1.4, that will break your Mailman installation.

If I need to go with a virtual environment, do I need to uninstall what I have out there and what’s the best way to get all the added bits out?

You actually don't need to remove anything because whatever is installed in the virtualenv will be what's used when the virtualenv is active. However, any Mailman specific stuff installed systemwide will not be used and is just wasted space and could be uninstalled.

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