Mailman automatic accept notification
How can I configure mailman so that all the users in mailing list won't get automatic accept notification (uncaught bounce notification)? I'n mailman configure I cant find nothing about disabling bounce message.
I'm using Mailman 3 and cat figure it out
tambet.paide--- via Mailman-users writes:
How can I configure mailman so that all the users in mailing list won't get automatic accept notification (uncaught bounce notification)?
I don't understand what you're asking. I don't think there is any Mailman concept of "automatic accept notification", and "uncaught bounce notifications" go to the list owner, not to subscribers. What is the text of the message you don't want subscribers to receive?
Hei
The problem is that I will get always message that mail has been delivered and also not delivered when somebody send mail to the list and also every other user in the list, but the only one who not get those messages is the sender. Would like to make it so that only the sender will get those messages not everybody else
Example what every user will get but not the sender:
Mail DeliverySystem<MAILER-DAEMON@LOCALHOST> Sent on:Wednesday,November18, 2020 6:58:30PM To: list.<domain> oneofexamplelist<oneofexamplelist@lists.domain.XX> Subject: Undeliverable: mail-subject 17.11.2020 Attachments: one-attachment 17.11.2020.msg(38.5 KB)
Delivery to these recipients or groups failed:
oneofexamplelist@lists.domain.XX
The recipient's e-mail system is currently busy and cannot receive messages. Please try sending the message again later. The following authority rejected your message
mailman.xxxx.XX
From: Stephen J. Turnbull <turnbull.stephen.fw@u.tsukuba.ac.jp> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 12:36:52 PM To: Tambet Paide Cc: mailman-users@mailman3.org Subject: [MM3-users] Mailman automatic accept notification
tambet.paide--- via Mailman-users writes:
How can I configure mailman so that all the users in mailing list won't get automatic accept notification (uncaught bounce notification)?
I don't understand what you're asking. I don't think there is any Mailman concept of "automatic accept notification", and "uncaught bounce notifications" go to the list owner, not to subscribers. What is the text of the message you don't want subscribers to receive?
Tambet Paide via Mailman-users writes:
The problem is that I will get always message that mail has been delivered and also not delivered when somebody send mail to the list and also every other user in the list, but the only one who not get those messages is the sender.
This means that the sender is either not on the list or has delivery disabled. It is unrelated to the problem of bounce messages going to the subscribers.
Would like to make it so that only the sender will get those messages not everybody else
Normally the sender does not know about the subscribers in detail, so we try to make the default configuration that a delivery failure notice (bounce message) goes to the list owner, who is the only person who can do anything about it.
As far as I know, there is no way to configure bounce messages to go to the original sender. That is normally a very bad idea, because the original sender cannot do anything about mailing list bounces, unless they happen to be the list owner anyway. On the other hand, the list owner has need to know because if anybody can fix the problem, they can.
If you have a reason why the original sender should get these messages (that is some action they should take to fix the situation), let us know, and we'll try to figure something out. But I can't think of one myself.
Example what every user will get but not the sender:
Mail DeliverySystem<MAILER-DAEMON@LOCALHOST> Sent on:Wednesday,November18, 2020 6:58:30PM To: list.<domain> oneofexamplelist<oneofexamplelist@lists.domain.XX>
Subject: Undeliverable: mail-subject 17.11.2020 Attachments: one-attachment 17.11.2020.msg(38.5 KB)
Delivery to these recipients or groups failed:
oneofexamplelist@lists.domain.XX
This is not an "uncaught bounce" message from Mailman. This is a normal delivery status notification from the mail daemon on your system, that happens to have been sent to the list.
Assuming both instances of "oneofexamplelist@lists.domain.XX" refer to the same address, it looks to me like you have the mailing list configured as the list owner address. That will cause you a lot of pain. Change that to the personal address of the list owner.
If that is not the case, perhaps the list is anonymized so that the author appears to be the list. In email, the author (the person and email in From:) is separate from the sender (which usually does not appear in the header that recipients see). It is the sender which should receive bounce messages. By default Mailman is configured to direct bounce messages to a special address like oneofexamplelist-bounces@lists.domain.XX. Either that configuration has been changed, or your mail daemon is sending errors to author, not to sender.
The recipient's e-mail system is currently busy and cannot receive messages. Please try sending the message again later. The following authority rejected your message
I do not understand the part about "system busy" above. Obviously the list is working because your subscribers are getting the annoying bounce message. The only thing I can think of is that some kind of mail loop is occurring, but Mailman should be rejecting it with an explanation that a mail loop is occurring and a permanent failure. (I say "should" because that's how I would design it, but I don't know that part of the code, and don't have time to find it today. Sorry.)
mailman.xxxx.XX
Is xxxx.XX the same as domain.XX?
Steve
Hei
Yes the domain names are the same for example, they are
mailman.mydomain.ee, oneofexamplelist@lists.mydomain.ee
Is it possible to totally disable list bounce messages to be sent at all?
Tambet
Tambet P via Mailman-users writes:
Yes the domain names are the same for example, they are
mailman.mydomain.ee, oneofexamplelist@lists.mydomain.ee
Time for bed but I'll try to take a look tomorrow.
Is it possible to totally disable list bounce messages to be sent at all?
The messages you are reporting are not list bounce messages. They are messages from your mail server saying that your list is not working, which for reasons I do not understand are being sent to the list, and oddly enough being successfully delivered there. Once we figure out why that is happening, we can explain how to fix it and it will stop.
We also need to figure out why mail to your Mailman list is bouncing in the first place.
Regards,
Hei
I made an drawing what is current situation and what is expectation.
Dear Tambet Paide,
We understand what is happening. We do not know why it is happening because (1) with proper configuration of Mailman and the MTA this should not happen and (2) you are the only site reporting this problem.
First, your expectation is *incorrect* for the purposes for which Mailman is intended (discussion and announcement lists). The DSN should *not* go to the original sender. It is not the original sender's "fault" that a deleted mailbox is subscribed to the list, nor can they do anything about that, except to stop sending mail to the list. Only the list owner (or site administrator) can unsubscribe or set no-mail on that mailbox. Therefore the DSN is forwarded to the list owner's address.
I can imagine applications of bulk mailing software where you might want non-list-owner senders informed about delivery failures, but we do not support them with Mailman, and this particular feature will not change because it's the right thing for *all* existing Mailman users (except possibly you). If you want to use Mailman and have an application where the DSN *should* go to the original sender, we will be happy to discuss it and treat it as a request for enhancement, to provide it as an option. But I can't imagine a situation where the DSN should go *only* to the original sender where that sender can't be the list owner. All the situations I can think of can be handled with the existing software and an auxiliary list for "senders with need to know about DSNs".
If your list is in fact a traditional discussion or announcement list, then the fact that a Delivery Status Notification (DSN) appears to be delivered through the mailing list to subscribers indicates that there is a problem with your Mailman configuration or your MTA configuration. Without precise and accurate information about your configurations we *cannot* help you.
I suspect that your list owner is set to the mailing list posting address. If you do that, delivery of DSNs to all subscribers is exactly the effect that you *should* get, because the list owner is the agency that is expected to deal with problems with the list, and therefore *must* get these notifications.
Regards,
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