Default values for lists in Mailman 3
Dear list,
I would like to activate the invitation setting for all lists as default. In Mailman 2.1 I have done this in the file </etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py>:
DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_OR_INVITE = YesHow can I do this in Mailman 3? Can I also transfer other default values like:
... DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en' DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 1 DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_OR_INVITE = Yes DEFAULT_PRIVATE_ROSTER = 2 DEFAULT_ARCHIVE = Off DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE = 1 ...
from the very same configuration file to Mailman 3? Is there a documentation of the default values for lists in Mailman 3?
Best regards, Markus Grandpré
-- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342
On 9/19/24 05:46, Markus Grandpré wrote:
Dear list,
I would like to activate the invitation setting for all lists as default. In Mailman 2.1 I have done this in the file </etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py>:
DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_OR_INVITE = Yes
How can I do this in Mailman 3?
There is a draft merge request at https://gitlab.com/mailman/postorius/-/merge_requests/930 which implements a framework for setting Postorius defaults and creates a setting to set the default for pre-verified on the mass subscription page. Once merged, this can easily be extended to provide a default for Invitation. In the mean time, you can only do this by patching src/postorius/forms/list_forms.py like ``` --- a/src/postorius/forms/list_forms.py +++ b/src/postorius/forms/list_forms.py @@ -1283,7 +1283,7 @@ class ListMassSubscription(forms.Form): invitation = forms.BooleanField( label=_('Invitation'), - initial=False, + initial=True, required=False, help_text=_( 'If checked, the other checkboxes are ignored and the users will ' ```
Can I also transfer other default values like:
... DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en' DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 1 DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_OR_INVITE = Yes DEFAULT_PRIVATE_ROSTER = 2 DEFAULT_ARCHIVE = Off DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE = 1 ...
from the very same configuration file to Mailman 3? Is there a documentation of the default values for lists in Mailman 3?
This is done by creating a list style with the desired defaults. See https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/styles/docs... for documentation of styles and see https://gitlab.com/mailman/example-mailman-plugin for an example of creating a plugin in Mailman core to make a persistent style. There is no specific doc for the list settings. You need to look at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/styles/base.py for the various settings and https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/styles/default.... to see which default classes are applied for various styles. -- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Thank you very much for your answer. Best regards, Markus Am 19.09.24 um 22:03 schrieb Mark Sapiro:
On 9/19/24 05:46, Markus Grandpré wrote:
Dear list,
I would like to activate the invitation setting for all lists as default. In Mailman 2.1 I have done this in the file </etc/mailman/ mm_cfg.py>:
DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_OR_INVITE = Yes
How can I do this in Mailman 3?
There is a draft merge request at https://gitlab.com/mailman/ postorius/-/merge_requests/930 which implements a framework for setting Postorius defaults and creates a setting to set the default for pre- verified on the mass subscription page. Once merged, this can easily be extended to provide a default for Invitation.
In the mean time, you can only do this by patching src/postorius/forms/ list_forms.py like ``` --- a/src/postorius/forms/list_forms.py +++ b/src/postorius/forms/list_forms.py @@ -1283,7 +1283,7 @@ class ListMassSubscription(forms.Form):
invitation = forms.BooleanField( label=_('Invitation'), - initial=False, + initial=True, required=False, help_text=_( 'If checked, the other checkboxes are ignored and the users will ' ```
Can I also transfer other default values like:
... DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en' DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 1 DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_OR_INVITE = Yes DEFAULT_PRIVATE_ROSTER = 2 DEFAULT_ARCHIVE = Off DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE = 1 ...
from the very same configuration file to Mailman 3? Is there a documentation of the default values for lists in Mailman 3?
This is done by creating a list style with the desired defaults. See https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/styles/ docs/styles.html for documentation of styles and see https://gitlab.com/ mailman/example-mailman-plugin for an example of creating a plugin in Mailman core to make a persistent style.
There is no specific doc for the list settings. You need to look at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/styles/ base.py for the various settings and https://gitlab.com/mailman/ mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/styles/default.py to see which default classes are applied for various styles.
-- Markus Ludwig Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations-, Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung und Lehre, B803, Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342
Dear Mark, dear list, in Menu "Mass Operations / Mass Subscription" I have set the default value for checkbox "Invitation" in file </usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/forms/list_forms.py> (on Debian 12) as you had suggested: invitation = forms.BooleanField( label=_('Invitation'), initial=True, required=False, help_text=_( 'If checked, the other checkboxes are ignored and the users will ' 'be sent an invitation to join the list and will be subscribed ' 'upon acceptance thereof.' ), widget=forms.CheckboxInput(), ) However, administrators of mailing lists on our Mailman3 demo system report that the invitation is still sent, even if they have deactivated the sending of the invitation via the “Invitation” checkbox. What have I done wrong? Best regards, Markus Am 20.09.24 um 09:05 schrieb Markus Grandpré:
Thank you very much for your answer.
Best regards, Markus
Am 19.09.24 um 22:03 schrieb Mark Sapiro:
On 9/19/24 05:46, Markus Grandpré wrote:
Dear list,
I would like to activate the invitation setting for all lists as default. In Mailman 2.1 I have done this in the file </etc/mailman/ mm_cfg.py>:
DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_OR_INVITE = Yes
How can I do this in Mailman 3?
There is a draft merge request at https://gitlab.com/mailman/ postorius/-/merge_requests/930 which implements a framework for setting Postorius defaults and creates a setting to set the default for pre- verified on the mass subscription page. Once merged, this can easily be extended to provide a default for Invitation.
In the mean time, you can only do this by patching src/postorius/ forms/ list_forms.py like ``` --- a/src/postorius/forms/list_forms.py +++ b/src/postorius/forms/list_forms.py @@ -1283,7 +1283,7 @@ class ListMassSubscription(forms.Form):
invitation = forms.BooleanField( label=_('Invitation'), - initial=False, + initial=True, required=False, help_text=_( 'If checked, the other checkboxes are ignored and the users will ' ```
Can I also transfer other default values like:
... DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en' DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 1 DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_OR_INVITE = Yes DEFAULT_PRIVATE_ROSTER = 2 DEFAULT_ARCHIVE = Off DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE = 1 ...
from the very same configuration file to Mailman 3? Is there a documentation of the default values for lists in Mailman 3?
This is done by creating a list style with the desired defaults. See https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/ styles/ docs/styles.html for documentation of styles and see https:// gitlab.com/ mailman/example-mailman-plugin for an example of creating a plugin in Mailman core to make a persistent style.
There is no specific doc for the list settings. You need to look at https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/styles/ base.py for the various settings and https://gitlab.com/mailman/ mailman/-/blob/master/src/mailman/styles/default.py to see which default classes are applied for various styles.
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On 9/30/24 02:17, Markus Grandpré wrote:
Dear Mark, dear list,
in Menu "Mass Operations / Mass Subscription" I have set the default value for checkbox "Invitation" in file </usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/forms/list_forms.py> (on Debian 12) as you had suggested:
invitation = forms.BooleanField( label=_('Invitation'), initial=True, required=False, help_text=_( 'If checked, the other checkboxes are ignored and the users will ' 'be sent an invitation to join the list and will be subscribed ' 'upon acceptance thereof.' ), widget=forms.CheckboxInput(), )
This is correct.
However, administrators of mailing lists on our Mailman3 demo system report that the invitation is still sent, even if they have deactivated the sending of the invitation via the “Invitation” checkbox.
If the admin is unchecking the Invitation box but not checking the Pre Verified box, the user will still be sent an address confirmation request. Perhaps the admins are mistaking this for an invitation. It the desire is to immediately subscribe the user with no further interaction, in addition to the Invitation box being unchecked, all three of the Pre confirm, Pre approved and Pre verified boxes must be checked.
You may wish to set the Pre Verified default to checked in a manner similar to the above, or with Postorius >=1.3.14 (not yet released) you will be able to add
POSTORIUS_DEFAULTS = {
'mass_subscription_pre_verify': True
}
to your Django settings to accomplish this.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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