Hi,

i am trying to install MM3 and had a few issues with it. First i was trying the Mailman3-full package for Debian which didnt work good for me. There was missing paths and files, after some research i found out it may not be well maintained right now. I was working to fix the issue i come up with but had no luck with it. After that i was trying this Howto: https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10 the Installation worked in some aspect. i had a running mailman3 service but the webinterfaces was not working. After some searching i found a issue that was stating that the current release had a bug in it wich made it not working. For instance was the config file different for "systemctl start mailman3" then when i was checking it "mailman info" and some paths was not like in the instructions again, this time i added the folders and put the files needed for it in to it but could not make it work.

i kept digging and find out for prod it is best practice to install in a virtual environment so i waited for the bug to fix and took this Installation Instructions: https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-install i was a little bit confused that there seems to be two spots from the official site where you can find Installation Instructions: https://wiki.list.org/DOC/ and https://docs.list.org/ since the last one made it seem like it was newer i choose the venv installation instructions.

From the install instructions at https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#virtualenv-install i was seeing that there is also some folders not showing up like mentioned in the howto: /op/mailman/mm was not there. In the part where you configure mailman core it says you need to add the /etc/mailman/mailman.cfg file it shows that the path is used for the hyperkitty config as well as it is the path vor the "var_dir: /opt/mailman/mm/var". i added the paths and at the point in the install instructions here https://docs.list.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#starting-mailman-aut... i checked if i can start mailman3 now but still fail to do so.

when i check "journalctl -xe" i find the following information but cant get more information on how to fix it in the net with it:

Aug 22 09:54:05 mailman3test mailman[55134]: Starting Mailman's master runner Aug 22 09:54:05 mailman3test mailman[55134]: Generating MTA alias maps Aug 22 09:54:05 mailman3test systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Can't open PID file /opt/mailman/mm/var/master.pid (yet?) after start: Operation not permitted Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: Traceback (most recent call last): Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/runner", line 8, in <module> Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: sys.exit(main()) Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1130, in __call__ Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: return self.main(*args, **kwargs) Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1055, in main Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: rv = self.invoke(ctx) Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1404, in invoke Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 760, in invoke Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: return __callback(*args, **kwargs) Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 26, in new_func Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/bin/runner.py", line 188, in main Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: runner.run() Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/runners/lmtp.py", line 255, in run Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: self.lmtp.start() Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiosmtpd/controller.py", line 210, in start Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: raise self._thread_exception Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/aiosmtpd/controller.py", line 176, in _run Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: srv: AsyncServer = self.loop.run_until_complete(self.server_coro) Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: File "/usr/lib/python3.9/asyncio/base_events.py", line 642, in run_until_complete Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: return future.result() Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: File "/usr/lib/python3.9/asyncio/base_events.py", line 1460, in create_server Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: infos = await tasks.gather(*fs, loop=self) Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: File "/usr/lib/python3.9/asyncio/base_events.py", line 1400, in _create_server_getaddrinfo Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: infos = await self._ensure_resolved((host, port), family=family, Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: File "/usr/lib/python3.9/asyncio/base_events.py", line 1396, in _ensure_resolved Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: return await loop.getaddrinfo(host, port, family=family, type=type, Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: File "/usr/lib/python3.9/asyncio/base_events.py", line 856, in getaddrinfo Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: return await self.run_in_executor( Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: File "/usr/lib/python3.9/concurrent/futures/thread.py", line 52, in run Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: result = self.fn(*self.args, **self.kwargs) Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: File "/usr/lib/python3.9/socket.py", line 953, in getaddrinfo Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: for res in _socket.getaddrinfo(host, port, family, type, proto, flags): Aug 22 09:54:12 mailman3test mailman[55146]: socket.gaierror: [Errno -2] Name or service not known Aug 22 09:55:01 mailman3test CRON[55176]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user root(uid=0) by (uid=0) Aug 22 09:55:01 mailman3test CRON[55177]: (root) CMD (command -v debian-sa1 > /dev/null && debian-sa1 1 1) Aug 22 09:55:01 mailman3test CRON[55176]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root Aug 22 09:55:34 mailman3test systemd[1]: mailman3.service: start operation timed out. Terminating. Aug 22 09:55:35 mailman3test systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'timeout'.

Anybody knows whats going on and what i am doing wrong?