Hi Everyone,
I've recently installed Mailman3 and still testing it. I tried to reply to a topic on my own list while also being a superuser from HyperKitty, but I got this error message:
"This list is moderated, please subscribe to it before posting."
Then why I even see the archive of the private list? What might be wrong?
One thing that might confuse the system is that I added a secondary e-mail to my account. I thought it would allow me to post from any of my addresses, but it seems like it's not the case, looks like I can only subscribe with one of the addresses.
It also looks like HyperKitty has trouble matching up the addresses, as it lists 4 participants for the conversation, while 2 of them is my account, the other 2 is my test address. In reality, it should list 2 posters.
Best regards, MegaBrutal
On 4/5/25 13:00, megabrutal--- via Mailman-users wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I've recently installed Mailman3 and still testing it. I tried to reply to a topic on my own list while also being a superuser from HyperKitty, but I got this error message:
"This list is moderated, please subscribe to it before posting."
Is your login a member of the list?
Then why I even see the archive of the private list? What might be wrong?
You can see the private archive because you are logged in as a superuser.
One thing that might confuse the system is that I added a secondary e-mail to my account. I thought it would allow me to post from any of my addresses, but it seems like it's not the case, looks like I can only subscribe with one of the addresses.
How did you add that email? When you find yourself at https://example.com/mailman3/users and click Manage, do you see the expected addresses?
It also looks like HyperKitty has trouble matching up the addresses, as it lists 4 participants for the conversation, while 2 of them is my account, the other 2 is my test address. In reality, it should list 2 posters.
This is normal. Hyperkitty lists participants by address whether or not the addresses are linked to the same user.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Is your login a member of the list?
It's supposed to be – when I click „Manage subscription” in the very same thread, it reveals that I'm subscribed. This is why I can't subscribe again. Yet I still can't post from HyperKitty, however I can by e-mail.
However, when I checked the member list, I also found my address as a „nonmember” (besides being listed as „member” too). I removed myself as „nonmember”, but I still can't post to the list from HyperKitty.
It looks like if HyperKitty would try to use a different „token” when I try to post to the list than the one it shows when I manage my subscription.
How did you add that email? When you find yourself at https://example.com/mailman3/users and click Manage, do you see the expected addresses?
Yes! I see three of my addresses, actually.
This is normal. Hyperkitty lists participants by address whether or not the addresses are linked to the same user.
Yes, that's right, but I see the very same addresses listed twice, when in reality I only posted with 2 different addresses (of which the second is an entirely different account that by the way can post through HyperKitty).
On 4/6/25 14:40, via Mailman-users wrote:
Is your login a member of the list?
It's supposed to be – when I click „Manage subscription” in the very same thread, it reveals that I'm subscribed. This is why I can't subscribe again. Yet I still can't post from HyperKitty, however I can by e-mail.
However, when I checked the member list, I also found my address as a „nonmember” (besides being listed as „member” too). I removed myself as „nonmember”, but I still can't post to the list from HyperKitty.
What response do you get when you click reply on a message? and what
when you click Start a new thread. Do you get an error immediately or
do you get a composition dialog and only get an error when you click
Send. What do the errors look like?
What do you see in Django's logs when you do this?
What HyperKitty version is this and is it installed from PyPI or is it a downstream package?
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> ezt írta (időpont: 2025. ápr. 7., H, 0:44):
On 4/6/25 14:40, via Mailman-users wrote:
Is your login a member of the list?
It's supposed to be – when I click „Manage subscription” in the very same thread, it reveals that I'm subscribed. This is why I can't subscribe again. Yet I still can't post from HyperKitty, however I can by e-mail.
However, when I checked the member list, I also found my address as a „nonmember” (besides being listed as „member” too). I removed myself as „nonmember”, but I still can't post to the list from HyperKitty.
What response do you get when you click
replyon a message? and what when you clickStart a new thread. Do you get an error immediately or do you get a composition dialog and only get an error when you clickSend. What do the errors look like?
I get a composition dialog and can type my message, but when I click send, I get the error message: „This list is moderated, please subscribe to it before posting.”. Upon reply, a red rectangle appears to enclose this message. Upon trying to create a new thread, a white page loads which only contains this error message.
What do you see in Django's logs when you do this?
I don't know where to look – I don't see anything outstanding, only a few HTTP requests appear in mailman.log on mailman side and uwsgi.log on web side. None of these indicate any error.
What HyperKitty version is this and is it installed from PyPI or is it a
downstream package?
Version 1.3.12. It is installed through pip with the virtualenv method.
On 4/6/25 16:00, MegaBrutal via Mailman-users wrote:
Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> ezt írta (időpont: 2025. ápr. 7., H, 0:44):
What response do you get when you click
replyon a message? and what when you clickStart a new thread. Do you get an error immediately or do you get a composition dialog and only get an error when you clickSend. What do the errors look like?I get a composition dialog and can type my message, but when I click send, I get the error message: „This list is moderated, please subscribe to it before posting.”. Upon reply, a red rectangle appears to enclose this message. Upon trying to create a new thread, a white page loads which only contains this error message.
In that composition dialog below the text box, it should say
This message will be sent as: user@example.com Link another address
If you aren't a current list member, sending this message will subscribe
you.
What the error is saying is it is checking if the sender is subscribed to the list and it finds that it is not subscribed. It wants to subscribe the sender but the list's subscription policy is "moderate" or "confirm_then_moderate" and it doesn't want to bypass moderation so it issues the error.
Is the address I have shown as user@example.com what you expect and it it a list member?
What if you click that address (it's a link) and chose another subscribed address.
What do you see in Django's logs when you do this?
I don't know where to look – I don't see anything outstanding, only a few HTTP requests appear in mailman.log on mailman side and uwsgi.log on web side. None of these indicate any error.
If you configured your settings.py per https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#initial-configur... your Django log which is where HyperKitty logs is at /opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log. However, I don't think there will be anything useful there.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> ezt írta (időpont: 2025. ápr. 7., H, 2:05):
On 4/6/25 16:00, MegaBrutal via Mailman-users wrote:
I get a composition dialog and can type my message, but when I click send, I get the error message: „This list is moderated, please subscribe to it before posting.”. Upon reply, a red rectangle appears to enclose this message. Upon trying to create a new thread, a white page loads which only contains this error message.
In that composition dialog below the text box, it should say
This message will be sent as: user@example.com Link another address If you aren't a current list member, sending this message will subscribe you.
No, it doesn't say anything like that. It says if I'm not subscribed, sending the message would subscribe me – no address is shown there at all.
What do you see in Django's logs when you do this?
I don't know where to look – I don't see anything outstanding, only a few HTTP requests appear in mailman.log on mailman side and uwsgi.log on web side. None of these indicate any error.
If you configured your settings.py per
https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#initial-configur... your Django log which is where HyperKitty logs is at /opt/mailman/web/logs/mailmanweb.log. However, I don't think there will be anything useful there.
Yeah, I checked that, nothing useful.
Note that I also don't see my address in Mailman's HyperKitty. It's the same message, posting the message would subscribe me.
My HyperKitty is localized to Hungarian, what I actually see is: „Ha még nem tagja a listának, akkor ezen üzenet elküldése feliratkoztatja Önt.” – Is it possible that it's a translation error, i.e the wrong message is entered into the language file instead the one that I should see?
On 4/6/25 17:30, MegaBrutal via Mailman-users wrote:
No, it doesn't say anything like that. It says if I'm not subscribed, sending the message would subscribe me – no address is shown there at all.
Compare your hyperkitty/templates/hyperkitty/fragments/send_as.html to https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/templates/hyp...
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> ezt írta (időpont: 2025. ápr. 7., H, 2:43):
On 4/6/25 17:30, MegaBrutal via Mailman-users wrote:
No, it doesn't say anything like that. It says if I'm not subscribed, sending the message would subscribe me – no address is shown there at all.
Compare your hyperkitty/templates/hyperkitty/fragments/send_as.html to
https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/templates/hyp...
100% match: fa83f9809576572bf6d40b9ce322bd8f6a939ec80f08186be0d184d62bc4a42e *./venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/hyperkitty/templates/hyperkitty/fragments/send_as.html fa83f9809576572bf6d40b9ce322bd8f6a939ec80f08186be0d184d62bc4a42e */tmp/send_as.html
On 4/6/25 17:42, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Compare your hyperkitty/templates/hyperkitty/fragments/send_as.html to https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/blob/master/hyperkitty/templates/hyp...
Nevermind. Yours is probably OK and it's probably not a translation issue.
The This message will be sent as: user@example.com Link another address line is contingent on
{% if form.fields.sender.choices|length > 1 %}
so it is saying there is only one choice for sender which I think means there is only one address associated with your login. That still doesn't explain why it thinks you're not a list member.
Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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