404 on fresh install (Debian11)

thomas＠lydra.fr

22 Mar 2023 22 Mar '23

10:42 a.m.

Hello, very new to mailman3, I used to manage mailman2 on a Debian 10 server. The server has been upgraded to Debian 11 and mailman2 disappear…

I try fresh install of mailman3, prerequisite to data migration, but without success. If some can help, I would be really greatful.

Here is my path:

mailman3-full install with apt. MySQL config since I have this DBMS
python3-pymysql install with apt after seeing errors in logs
Apache2 configuration (other virtual hosts are present)

&lt;VirtualHost *:80>
    ServerName newsletter.mydomain.tld

    Alias /static      /var/lib/mailman3/web/static
    Alias /favicon.ico /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/postorius/img/favicon.ico

    DocumentRoot /var/lib/mailman3/web/static
    &lt;Directory "/var/lib/mailman3/web/static">
        Require all granted
    &lt;/Directory>

    ProxyPassMatch ^/static !
    ProxyPass / http://localhost:8001/
    ProxyPassReverse / http://localhost:8001/

    ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/newsletter_error.log
    CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/newsletter_access.log combined
&lt;/VirtualHost>

And now I have a 404 answer when consulting my http page.

When trying to access /static sub-path, I get Cannot serve directory /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/admin/: No matching DirectoryIndex found.

I also tried ProxyPass / unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost but also fails with No protocol handler was valid for the URL / (scheme 'uwsgi')

I am a bit lost with that.

Thanks for your help

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David Newman

22 Mar 22 Mar

4:27 p.m.

On 3/22/23 3:42 AM, thomas--- via Mailman-users wrote:

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Hello, very new to mailman3, I used to manage mailman2 on a Debian 10 server. The server has been upgraded to Debian 11 and mailman2 disappear…

I try fresh install of mailman3, prerequisite to data migration, but without success. If some can help, I would be really greatful.

Here is my path:

mailman3-full install with apt. MySQL config since I have this DBMS

The packaged version included with Debian 11 is out of date. You would be much better off installing Mailman3 and mailmanweb in a virtual environment using pip:

https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html

https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html

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python3-pymysql install with apt after seeing errors in logs

Apache2 configuration (other virtual hosts are present)
&lt;VirtualHost *:80>
     ServerName newsletter.mydomain.tld

     Alias /static      /var/lib/mailman3/web/static
     Alias /favicon.ico /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/postorius/img/favicon.ico

     DocumentRoot /var/lib/mailman3/web/static
     &lt;Directory "/var/lib/mailman3/web/static">
         Require all granted
     &lt;/Directory>

     ProxyPassMatch ^/static !
     ProxyPass / http://localhost:8001/
     ProxyPassReverse / http://localhost:8001/

     ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/newsletter_error.log
     CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/newsletter_access.log combined
&lt;/VirtualHost>
And now I have a 404 answer when consulting my http page.

When trying to access /static sub-path, I get Cannot serve directory /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/admin/: No matching DirectoryIndex found.

I also tried ProxyPass / unix:/run/mailman3-web/uwsgi.sock|uwsgi://localhost but also fails with No protocol handler was valid for the URL / (scheme 'uwsgi')

I am a bit lost with that.

Thanks for your help

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Mark Sapiro

5:27 p.m.

On 3/22/23 03:42, thomas--- via Mailman-users wrote:

...

Hello, very new to mailman3, I used to manage mailman2 on a Debian 10 server. The server has been upgraded to Debian 11 and mailman2 disappear…

I try fresh install of mailman3, prerequisite to data migration, but without success. If some can help, I would be really greatful.

<VirtualHost *:80> ServerName newsletter.mydomain.tld
 Alias /static      /var/lib/mailman3/web/static
 Alias /favicon.ico /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/postorius/img/favicon.ico

 DocumentRoot /var/lib/mailman3/web/static
 &lt;Directory "/var/lib/mailman3/web/static">
     Require all granted

You can probably fix the below error by adding options +Indexes here, but see below.

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And now I have a 404 answer when consulting my http page.

When trying to access /static sub-path, I get Cannot serve directory /var/lib/mailman3/web/static/admin/: No matching DirectoryIndex found.

It is unclear to me what is doing a GET of /static/admin/ and why. GETs should by of actual files, e.g., things like /static/admin/css/base.css

...

I am a bit lost with that.

So are we. Questions about the Debian package are better asked of Debian. See https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344 and https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/message/T6LB2...

We can provide much better help and support if you install via the resources mentioned in the reply at https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message/...

-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

thomas＠lydra.fr

23 Mar 23 Mar

3:12 p.m.

Thanks both of you. I didn't know Debian11 version is out of date. I will try using pip.

Odhiambo Washington

3:42 p.m.

On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 6:13 PM thomas--- via Mailman-users < mailman-users@mailman3.org> wrote:

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Thanks both of you. I didn't know Debian11 version is out of date. I will try using pip.

No. Debian 11 is _not_ out of date. It's just that the preferred and easy to support installation method is using the virtualenv.

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Mark Sapiro

4:07 p.m.

On 3/23/23 08:42, Odhiambo Washington wrote:

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On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 6:13 PM thomas--- via Mailman-users < mailman-users@mailman3.org> wrote:

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Thanks both of you. I didn't know Debian11 version is out of date. I will try using pip.

No. Debian 11 is _not_ out of date. It's just that the preferred and easy to support installation method is using the virtualenv.

The Debian stable mailman packages definitely ARE out of date.

bullseye (stable) has Mailman core 3.3.3 and django-mailman3 1.3.5 (current releases are 3.3.8 and 1.3.9 respectively) It is unclear what Postorius and HyperKitty versions are in mailman3-web 0+20200530-2.

bookworm (testing) and sid (unstable) do have current versions of Mailman core and django-mailman3 and possibly mailman3-web 0+20200530-2.1 has current Postorius and HyperKitty, but those are generally not the Debian packages that most users would install.

-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

Jeremy Stanley

4:30 p.m.

On 2023-03-23 09:07:02 -0700 (-0700), Mark Sapiro wrote: [...]

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bookworm (testing) and sid (unstable) do have current versions of Mailman core and django-mailman3 and possibly mailman3-web 0+20200530-2.1 has current Postorius and HyperKitty, but those are generally not the Debian packages that most users would install.

And those will also become out of date over time, because Debian is a stable server distribution so intentionally freezes the versions of software it supplies and backports only critical/security fixes to those increasingly outdated versions when warranted.

Basically it's a question of whether users value stability with a bit of security support over newest versions of software and new features. The upstream Mailman packages on PyPI (and container images) cater to users who want the latest versions of the software, packages in stable server distros like Debian cater to users who want to safely go years between behavior changes in software. Both are valid choices, it just comes down to the user's specific situation.

That said, when you have trouble with the packaged versions of software in Debian, the expectation is that you ask on Debian mailing lists and possibly report bugs in the Debian bug tracker, rather than burdening upstream software maintainers with details that might be specific to choices or mistakes in Debian's packages. The package maintainers in Debian generally forward bug reports upstream if they determine the issue you've encountered isn't related to how it's been packaged, isn't already fixed upstream (in which case they might backport the fix), et cetera.

Jeremy Stanley

comprepair_jimberg＠icloud.com

29 Mar 29 Mar

midnight

Can you setup Mailman3 for me? I have done apt install mailman3-full but I have no clue whaat I am doing.

Jim

David Newman

12:09 a.m.

On 3/28/23 5:00 PM, comprepair_jimberg--- via Mailman-users wrote:

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Can you setup Mailman3 for me?

I can't. But I previously provided a pointer to setup instructions using virtualenv, which is MUCH preferable to the older, buggier version packaged with Debian 11. Mark Sapiro also provided a link to a list of providers who help with setup for a fee.

If it's any consolation, I practiced with test VMs about 4 or 5 times before attempting a production migration from Mailman 2. Much of my misery was caused by the initial Debian install setting the wrong ownership on some files. For that reason, things got much better when I snapshotted a brand-new Debian 11 VM and rolled back to there each time. I still made mistakes, multiple times, but at least I was no longer fighting with two installations that do things differently.

thomas＠lydra.fr

23 Mar 23 Mar

10:22 p.m.

I strictly follow documentation, and it works without pain! 👍‍ Many thanks for this quality documentation

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