The Use of Hyperkitty as a Forum and Archiver
Dear Mailman 3 Users,
Since Mailman 3 includes a forum feature via Hyperkitty, I would like to know the following:
Has the forum feature (Hyperkitty) of MM3 been received well by your list members or is it mostly ignored?
Do you see an increase in the use of HK as a forum from your list members?
What kind of feedback have you received from your list members considering the forum function of MM3? Positive or negative?
Do you think HK is received well by your list members as an archiver and do you think it provides a better user experience for viewing/searching archives vs Pipermail of MM2?
Thank you for anything you shared. I am very curious to know the state of Hyperkitty among the Mailman 3 user community.
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On Jul 14, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Brian Carpenter <brian_carpenter@emwd.com> wrote:
- Has the forum feature (Hyperkitty) of MM3 been received well by your list members or is it mostly ignored?
Pretty sure no one even knows its there, even though I told them when we migrated to MM3 originally.
- Do you see an increase in the use of HK as a forum from your list members?
No.
- What kind of feedback have you received from your list members considering the forum function of MM3? Positive or negative?
None.
- Do you think HK is received well by your list members as an archiver and do you think it provides a better user experience for viewing/searching archives vs Pipermail of MM2?
WAY WAY WAY better experience than Pipermail. The single most common feedback about the archives under MM2 was “the archives are broken - search can’t find anything.” htdig was not a great indexer.
- Mark
mark@pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878
On 7/14/20 11:48 AM, Mark Dadgar wrote:
WAY WAY WAY better experience than Pipermail. The single most common feedback about the archives under MM2 was “the archives are broken - search can’t find anything.” htdig was not a great indexer.
Thanks Mark. So your experience with Hyperkitty so far is that it makes for a very good searchable archiver for your list members but that is it. That is helpful. Would love to get other list members to share their feedback.
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I can echo Mark’s responses exactly, as well as the sentiment that it’s WAY WAY WAY better.
One additional item of praise: The ability to post/respond to messages from within HK(I guess what you refer to as the ‘forum’ feature) is way cool.
While I’m at it here are also some small and not so small gripes:
a. The link for visit ’the archives’ is embedded in a sentence. It should be an icon like ’Unsubscribe’. While we’re on that page, the same goes for ‘your list options page.’ b. On entering HK, when listing ‘Recent’, etc, the author is not listed. c. Why is ‘Manage subscription’ an option on this page? The ‘Manage this list’ in the header already has this link. And it appears in the list of options on which threads to show. ????? d. When listing ’Threads by month’ and ‘All threads’, the left panel is taken over. e. When I log in as admin, I get a ‘Delete’ button on this page as well. There is no mention of what it does. Does it delete the list, the archive or the shown threads (I assume the list, but why is this button here???). f. The activity summary here is irrelevant to most users and should be just an optional display. g. Sometimes the lists are listed by Postorius and at other times (at login) by HK. The displays by Postorius are much better and cleaner. The listings by HK use too much real estate for the ‘Activity in the past 30 days’ graphs, which really are just fluff. The difference in presentation between Postorius and HK is confusing and confounding.
Thank you for the reminder, Brian. I’ll send out a note to my lists’ members to remind them of this very improved tool.
Yours,
Allan Hansen hansen@rc.org
On Jul 14, 2020, at 8:48 , Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> wrote:
On Jul 14, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Brian Carpenter <brian_carpenter@emwd.com> wrote:
- Has the forum feature (Hyperkitty) of MM3 been received well by your list members or is it mostly ignored?
Pretty sure no one even knows its there, even though I told them when we migrated to MM3 originally.
- Do you see an increase in the use of HK as a forum from your list members?
No.
- What kind of feedback have you received from your list members considering the forum function of MM3? Positive or negative?
None.
- Do you think HK is received well by your list members as an archiver and do you think it provides a better user experience for viewing/searching archives vs Pipermail of MM2?
WAY WAY WAY better experience than Pipermail. The single most common feedback about the archives under MM2 was “the archives are broken - search can’t find anything.” htdig was not a great indexer.
- Mark
mark@pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878
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On 7/14/20 6:51 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote:
Dear Mailman 3 Users,
Since Mailman 3 includes a forum feature via Hyperkitty, I would like to know the following:
Has the forum feature (Hyperkitty) of MM3 been received well by your list members or is it mostly ignored?
Do you see an increase in the use of HK as a forum from your list members?
For this list, I don't know other than myself, and for myself I receive the list and read it by email. I will occasionally reply from HyperKitty if I have reson to reply to a post that I have deleted from my mail server.
For mail.python.org, there are multiple list members (including Guido) on multiple lists who use HyperKitty exclusively in lieu of mail.
For my bicycling club lists, very few users use HyperKitty for anything and most didn't use pipermail either even though we had htdig integration. Those few that do use it probably use it primarily for search.
- What kind of feedback have you received from your list members considering the forum function of MM3? Positive or negative?
They find warts, in part due to the still developmental markdown rendering <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/merge_requests/160> that's installed there and on this list too, but overall those that use it, like it and prefer the forum model to the email list model.
- Do you think HK is received well by your list members as an archiver and do you think it provides a better user experience for viewing/searching archives vs Pipermail of MM2?
Yes and Yes.
Thank you for anything you shared. I am very curious to know the state of Hyperkitty among the Mailman 3 user community.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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